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01:20:13 <bsmntbombdood> someone's late
01:23:14 <jix> can't watch 15 channels for random polls at the same time :/
01:23:42 <jix> i think i'm an atheist for the same reason a lot of people are christian....
01:24:41 <ihope> You're afraid that if you believe in Jesus, you'll go to Hell?
01:24:56 <jix> no my parents are atheists....
01:25:01 <ihope> Ah.\
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01:47:24 <azories> amm http://ip-adress.com - http://whatismyip.com - http://www.iplobster.com - ipchick.com and so on = any one can explain why the dumb utilizers dont use ipconfig ?
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01:48:22 <g4lt-sb100> god, azories again?
02:02:30 <ihope> azories has been here and done that before?
02:02:45 <ihope> Perhaps you should call on lament for a ban?
02:03:10 <oerjan> was in #haskell too
02:03:36 <oerjan> probably banned from entire freenode by now
02:04:11 <ihope> Want to ask a staffer if a k-line has been issued?
02:05:14 <oerjan> you would think they would have some way of noticing someone hopping channels like that
02:06:07 <ihope> Like denny, rob, njan, scp, alindeman, SeJo, denny^AFK, PhilKC, SportChick, RichiH, notabot, quux, JamesOff, dmwaters, Matt, nalioth, tomaw|phone, Madkiss, tomaw, jenda, Stx, weasel, LoRez, seanw, christel, cdlu, kloeri...
02:06:30 <bsmntbombdood> thank you for listing a bunch of staffers!
02:06:34 <ihope> You're welcome.
02:06:41 <ihope> What, I missed one?
02:06:59 <bsmntbombdood> i have to get my horse BRB
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02:21:56 <bsmntbombdood> BACK
02:45:19 <g4lt-sb100> ihope, I qalready did, BTW, azor
02:45:32 <g4lt-sb100> ies left before they could get a kline, but there's one waiting for them
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12:12:21 <Figs> hey guys
12:12:24 <Figs> I need help.
12:13:05 <oklopol> sounds serious
12:13:14 <Figs> I'm working on my parser system, and I've realized that I can build sequences that are allowed to do _anything_...
12:13:32 <Figs> as long as whatever actions they take can be "unwound"
12:13:58 <oklopol> _anything_, like make me coffee?
12:14:11 <oklopol> because i wouldn't mind, tbh.
12:14:14 <Figs> as long as you provide a procedure for unmaking coffee
12:14:47 <Figs> my reasoning being that I could have
12:14:49 <Figs> a >> a >> a
12:14:59 <Figs> where a is either "a", "b", or "c"
12:15:01 <Figs> but
12:15:07 <Figs> each can only be used once
12:16:33 <Figs> I don't know... is this a really awful idea?
12:24:26 <oklopol> i don't see what you mean :\
12:25:13 <Figs> so like, "abc", "bca", etc, but not "bbc"
12:25:49 <Figs> using the "a" parser would have a side effect
12:26:27 <Figs> so say that the first a-parser found "b"
12:26:44 <Figs> it would behind the scenes say that "b is no longer allowed"
12:27:09 <oklopol> that's a bit rare requirement...
12:27:20 <Figs> it's not, really, if you turn it around
12:27:22 <oklopol> you could have a set combiner separately..
12:27:25 <oklopol> hmm?
12:27:42 <Figs> defintions >> statements_using_defined_variables
12:28:24 <Figs> which would fail if an undefined variable is used
12:28:38 <Figs> (>> means "followed by" in my notation)
12:29:48 <oklopol> hmm...
12:29:49 <Figs> or is this a really awful idea?
12:30:00 <Figs> it can also be used for type checking, I think
12:30:11 <oklopol> i'm sorry but i still don't get it :P
12:30:22 <Figs> :falls over:
12:30:26 <oklopol> :D
12:30:29 <oklopol> i just woke up!
12:30:52 <oklopol> i don't get "definitions" there
12:31:00 <Figs> int a,b,c;
12:31:09 <oklopol> :|
12:31:12 <Figs> I should have said declarations
12:31:12 <oklopol> err.. okei
12:31:24 <Figs> int a; a = 6; would be ok
12:31:31 <oklopol> so.. int a,b,d; >> int c,e; >> int f; ?
12:31:33 <Figs> int a; b = 144;
12:31:35 <oklopol> that's not c++
12:31:48 <Figs> ????
12:31:49 <oklopol> oh
12:32:08 <oklopol> a >> a >> a <<< i thought this was your notation for your parser
12:32:14 <Figs> it is
12:32:20 <oklopol> weel yeah
12:32:23 <oklopol> but
12:32:23 <oklopol> defintions >> statements_using_defined_variables
12:32:30 <oklopol> in there it's not, in turn?
12:32:30 <Figs> is the same
12:32:36 <oklopol> okay... so
12:32:42 <oklopol> int a,b,c; >> a+b
12:32:50 <oklopol> definitions >> statements...
12:32:56 <Figs> something like that
12:32:59 <Figs> just as an example
12:33:04 <oklopol> but... that's not c++
12:33:14 <Figs> I don't think you get what I mean
12:33:19 <Figs> parser p = a >> b;
12:33:24 <Figs> is how I'd write it in C++
12:33:31 <oklopol> well yeah, i know that
12:33:33 <Figs> p.match(somestring);
12:33:45 <oklopol> but then you say you are all the time referring to >> as the c++ operator >>
12:33:51 <Figs> say somestring = "int a; a = 6;"
12:33:53 <oklopol> and then using it non syntactically
12:34:19 <Figs> >> is an overloaded operator, silly :P
12:34:24 <Figs> >> means followed by
12:34:24 <oklopol> well yes
12:34:31 <oklopol> but you can't do int a,b,c; >> a+b
12:34:33 <oklopol> or can you?
12:34:39 <oklopol> i didn't know it can be used unary
12:34:43 <oklopol> actually
12:34:44 <Figs> you don't write the >> in the string you're parsing
12:34:47 <Figs> :P
12:34:47 <oklopol> i know it can't
12:34:56 <Figs> "int a,b,c; a = 6;"
12:34:59 <Figs> would be your string
12:35:07 <oklopol> yes, but that's not defintions >> statements_using_defined_variables
12:35:11 <Figs> it is
12:35:14 <oklopol> no
12:35:17 <oklopol> there's no >>
12:35:32 <Figs> statements = "int " >> variable name >> ";"
12:35:41 <Figs> (for example)
12:35:45 <Figs> hold on a sec
12:35:47 <oklopol> okay now i got it.
12:35:50 <Figs> http://rafb.net/p/5x7Kng74.html
12:35:57 <oklopol> you should be more explicit @ your quoting
12:36:17 <Figs> ... >.>
12:36:24 <oklopol> well, actually
12:36:30 <oklopol> (14:31:38) (oklopol) int a,b,c; >> a+b
12:36:33 <oklopol> (14:31:53) (Figs) something like that
12:36:33 <oklopol> (14:31:56) (Figs) just as an example
12:36:36 <oklopol> i was kinda wtf.
12:36:49 <oklopol> ut you assumed i meant "int a,b,c;" >> "a+b"?
12:36:51 <oklopol> *but
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12:37:01 <Figs> I think so
12:37:04 <oklopol> okay.
12:37:08 <oklopol> that clears up a lot
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12:37:53 * Figs doesn't see where that was
12:38:16 <Figs> ah
12:38:19 <oklopol> 14:33, but you have a different itme
12:38:20 <Figs> your clock is way off mine
12:38:21 <oklopol> *time
12:38:27 <Figs> (I have at 32:13)
12:39:14 <Figs> I think I was talking about something else
12:39:26 * Figs isn't sure
12:39:36 <Figs> meta-analysis @ 4 am is hard :P
12:39:55 <Figs> in any case I did not mean that "int a,b,c; >> 1+2" would make sense at all
12:40:04 <Figs> sorry :P
12:40:18 <oklopol> i still don't get the "type checking" thing or why a term would only use each subterm once...
12:40:35 <oklopol> your parser there could be broken if so.
12:40:49 <oklopol> because the dog could never chase the cat.
12:40:59 <oklopol> only another cat..
12:42:17 <Figs> http://rafb.net/p/aQO40e47.html
12:42:31 <Figs> oklopol, that's just an example of my notation
12:42:35 <Figs> not of type checking
12:42:46 <Figs> this is like that a/b/c thing
12:42:52 <Figs> in really pseudo code
12:43:26 <Figs> if it's a success, then pull it out of allowed numbers
12:43:30 <Figs> I forgot to do that :P
12:43:39 <Figs> I shouldn't be programming so late at night >.<
12:43:46 <Figs> but it's the only way I ever get anything done
12:44:27 <Figs> the idea being that I could say something like
12:45:04 <Figs> f(T x); and then if I do f(6) and T was string, it'd fail.
12:45:21 <Figs> where the information about f is stored somewhere else
12:45:29 <Figs> (outside the main parser)
12:45:45 <Figs> the reason things need to be undone is that something like
12:45:50 <Figs> "time flies like an arrow"
12:45:56 <Figs> can be interpreted in many ways
12:46:02 <Figs> (to give an example in english)
12:46:49 <Figs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_language_processing#Concrete_problems (For example)
12:46:59 <Figs> my prime objective isn't NLP, but
12:47:12 <Figs> the same types of problems can occur in things like
12:47:23 <Figs> *a >> "abc"
12:47:28 <Figs> so say I give "aabc"
12:47:41 <Figs> it'd say, ok, *a is any number of 'a's... so ah! "aa" ok...
12:47:53 <Figs> now let's see, we have "bc" left... can I find an "abc'? no...
12:48:02 <Figs> oh wait, shit, let's go back...
12:48:09 <Figs> "a" is also acceptable for *a!
12:48:13 <Figs> now I have "abc" left
12:48:19 <Figs> can I match "abc" to that?
12:48:22 <Figs> Yes! Success1
12:48:24 <Figs> *!
12:48:38 * Figs wonders what his monologue count is up to...
12:49:04 <Figs> 33? 34?
12:50:14 <oklopol> well yes, you do have to unwind often
12:50:39 <Figs> right
12:52:19 <Figs> ugh. English is so fucking ambiguous... how do we ever get anything done?!
12:53:52 <oklopol> we use only simple sentences...
12:54:03 <Figs> Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
12:54:13 <oklopol> in english, using longer ones verry often leads to confusion
12:54:31 <oklopol> at least when talking about non trivial stuff
12:54:41 <oklopol> i've seen it happen here, even to natives
12:54:55 <Figs> So, if I told you about a legal document, and then, halfway through, I started talking about the way in which I was talking, would you be confused; are you confused yet?
12:55:18 <oklopol> umm i doubt i am :P
12:55:37 <Figs> :P
12:55:44 <Figs> that was a longer sentance :D
12:55:55 <oklopol> well yeah, but you didn't use much ambiguity.
12:55:55 <Figs> fruit flies like a banana... I have to get that on a shirt
12:56:09 <Figs> "Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana." :P
12:56:19 * Figs stops the groucho marx humor and moves on
12:56:41 <oklopol> there's a finnish poem that goes like
12:56:44 <oklopol> whoops
12:56:51 <Figs> lol?
12:56:55 <oklopol> wait
12:57:00 <oklopol> i'll write it :)
12:57:31 <oklopol> kun olet nuori, min rakastan vain sinua / kun vanhenet, min vain rakastan sinua / kun olet vanha, vain min rakastan sinua
12:57:46 * Figs no spekka finnish
12:57:48 <oklopol> the placing of "vain", or "only" makes the whole meaning different
12:57:52 <oklopol> i'll translate
12:58:16 <oklopol> when you're young, i love only you / when you get older, i still love you / when you're old, only i love you
12:58:31 <oklopol> and no, that had nothing to do with anything
12:58:35 <oklopol> :)
12:58:50 <Figs> lol
12:58:56 <oklopol> just a random language quirk
12:59:50 <Figs> bwahaha -- "She got her looks from her father. He's a plastic surgeon."
12:59:54 <Figs> (Groucho Marx)
13:00:38 <oklopol> the problem is stuff like that is trivial
13:00:54 <oklopol> you can pretty much turn any sentence upside down
13:00:58 <Figs> ;)
13:01:02 <oklopol> just by finding all it's possible meaning
13:01:05 <oklopol> *meanings
13:01:23 * Figs still finds it funny.
13:01:44 <oklopol> i don't, really, too joke-y
13:01:52 <Figs> it's a joke :P
13:01:57 <oklopol> well yes
13:02:08 <Figs> A joke is a joke. Bah. :P
13:02:14 <oklopol> i mean
13:02:21 <oklopol> it's like a textbook example of a joke
13:02:30 <oklopol> easy to guess the punchline
13:02:50 <oklopol> not that i did in the 3 seconds i read it, but after you read it, it's veeeery obvious
13:02:59 <oklopol> well
13:03:05 <Figs> timing
13:03:20 <oklopol> ya
13:03:43 <oklopol> well might be fun if you'd never thought about that saying
13:03:55 <Figs> what might be fun?
13:03:57 <oklopol> hmm
13:03:59 <oklopol> that joke
13:04:37 <oklopol> if you'd never even realized " to get ones looks from someone" is a saying that actually objectifies "looks" as something that can be given
13:04:40 <oklopol> hmm
13:04:49 <oklopol> i'm not sure if that'd help.
13:05:09 <Figs> it's a very common saying in English
13:05:12 <oklopol> yeah
13:05:27 <oklopol> which is why not everyone might've put thought to it
13:05:45 <Figs> heh
13:05:51 <oklopol> you know, it's the funnier the more surprising it is
13:05:55 <Figs> right
13:06:07 <oklopol> so if you didn't understand what the plastic surgeon thing meant in a second
13:06:13 <oklopol> but in like 1.5, it might be fun
13:06:15 <oklopol> :)
13:06:17 <oklopol> anyway
13:06:27 <oklopol> i'll stop talking crappity now, gotta go buy stuff
13:06:32 <oklopol> gotta drink
13:06:33 <oklopol> caffeine
13:06:35 <oklopol> lots of it
13:06:42 <oklopol> to get my brain to work
13:06:58 <oklopol> i have the constant feeling of "dumb" in the morning
13:06:59 <Figs> Shark eating a clown fish -- "Does this taste funny to you?"
13:07:00 <oklopol> *s
13:07:13 <Figs> careful...
13:07:17 * Figs will only lower you IQ
13:07:52 <oklopol> my iq is 140 - 160 depending on the test
13:08:01 <oklopol> sometimes 120
13:08:08 <oklopol> they aren't consistent :|
13:08:16 <Figs> I don't trust tests
13:08:25 <oklopol> i don't like them, always about speed
13:08:32 * Figs thinks IQ tests are stupid :P
13:08:56 <Figs> (if you're trying to see how "intelligent" someone is, and not using them "properly")
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13:09:15 <oklopol> they test pattern matching ability, usually
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13:09:33 <Figlet> bah. registered.
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13:09:41 <Figgeh> :D
13:09:54 <oklopol> Figgah
13:09:58 <oklopol> dirty figgah
13:10:00 <Figgeh> oh, I don't do Teh Figg(eh|ness) any mroe :'(
13:10:04 <Figgeh> figgahs
13:10:07 <Figgeh> ;)
13:10:12 <oklopol> :P
13:10:21 <oklopol> were being facist..
13:10:27 <Figgeh> facist? O.o
13:10:34 <oklopol> n->f
13:10:37 <oklopol> r->f
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13:11:05 <Figs> o...o
13:11:08 <Figs> what?
13:11:14 <oklopol> ::P
13:11:26 <Figs> ::::p <-- spiderman!!
13:11:38 <oklopol> eh... clearly!
13:11:49 <oklopol> i don't get it
13:11:53 <Figs> - - - - - >>>>O
13:12:08 <Figs> it's ok
13:12:12 <Figs> it's 5 am
13:12:15 * Figs must sleep
13:12:19 <oklopol> 15 here :<
13:12:26 <oklopol> exams tomorrow ARIGFAE)GJOAGJRE
13:12:29 <oklopol> *exam
13:12:48 <Figs> figs.stupidness > infinity ? { sleep(); }
13:12:56 * Figs isn't in school yet
13:13:03 <Figs> my feet are cold
13:13:04 <oklopol> you're 5?
13:13:07 <Figs> no
13:13:14 <Figs> school starts in a week or two
13:13:19 <oklopol> :|
13:13:21 <Figs> I move in next wednesday
13:13:31 <oklopol> ...with me?
13:13:49 <oklopol> (see what i did there haw haw)
13:13:58 <Figs> not really funny
13:14:03 <Figs> :S
13:14:05 <Figs> sorry.
13:14:06 <oklopol> well not
13:14:13 <oklopol> but you have to realize that wasn't a joke
13:14:19 <oklopol> i just didn't understand what you meant
13:14:26 <Figs> awkward?
13:14:34 <oklopol> :D
13:14:43 <oklopol> err.. me?
13:14:44 <oklopol> no
13:14:49 * Figs moves in with kolopol and tells him to put on some clothes.
13:14:49 <oklopol> "moving in"
13:14:52 <Figs> *oklopol
13:14:56 <oklopol> i just know one meaning for thta
13:14:58 <oklopol> *that
13:15:09 <oklopol> i actually have some clothes on
13:15:17 <oklopol> my parents said they might come to visit.
13:15:22 <Figs> rofl
13:15:30 <Figs> ;)
13:15:48 <oklopol> my father is a bit of a nudist himself, though, so i don't think he'd be that shocked
13:15:50 <oklopol> but hey!
13:15:54 <oklopol> me goes :P ->
13:15:56 <Figs> parents + clothes > parents + nude?
13:16:03 <Figs> bye
13:16:07 * Figs goes too
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13:16:28 <Figs> hello, goodbye
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17:13:46 <SimonRC> bsmntbombdood: no, but they have been known to Google me.
17:15:12 <oklopol> why do they know your nick?
17:15:20 <oklopol> mine don't know what irc is :)
17:15:36 <oklopol> i guess they sort of decided your nick for you...
17:15:44 <oklopol> in case that's your irl name
17:17:05 <SimonRC> ah, good point, they probably wouldn't
17:17:08 <SimonRC> but still...
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19:06:55 <X-Slayer> ci
19:08:38 <SimonRC> X-Slayer: ?
19:08:56 <X-Slayer> SiminRC: hi
19:10:37 <ehird`> hm
19:28:03 <SimonRC> X-Slayer: how did you manage that?
19:28:38 <SimonRC> If your client did tab-completion, you would never mis-spell a username.
19:28:57 <X-Slayer> what?
19:29:26 <SimonRC> tab completion is where you type part of something and hit tab, and the computer finishes it for you.
19:29:40 <SimonRC> great for situations like completing IRC nicks
19:30:02 <SimonRC> or on command-line interfaces
19:30:06 * SimonRC eats dinner
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19:31:00 <ehird`> you scared x-slayer away SimonRC
19:31:25 * ehird` /whois X-Slayer
19:31:37 <ehird`> he disconnected, even :p
19:31:49 <ehird`> tab-completion is scary!
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19:56:05 <bsmntbombdood> clothes are overrated
19:57:20 <ehird`> TURTLES
19:57:22 <ehird`> are overrated
19:59:27 <bsmntbombdood> not really
19:59:57 <bsmntbombdood> my geography teacher is
19:59:57 <bsmntbombdood> so
19:59:59 <bsmntbombdood> fucking
20:00:00 <bsmntbombdood> stupid
20:00:20 * ehird` TURTLES
20:00:22 <ehird`> are
20:00:23 <ehird`> so
20:00:24 <ehird`> fucking
20:00:25 <ehird`> stupid
20:00:40 * bsmntbombdood sends a trojan turtle to ehird`
20:00:58 * ehird` sends a trojan...um...geography teacher to bsmntbombdood
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20:01:55 * bsmntbombdood removes his pants
20:02:32 <oklopol> hah i've been naked for ages
20:05:10 <bsmntbombdood> my naked is worth more than your naked
20:06:22 <oklopol> i doubt that
20:06:44 <oklopol> i'm very sexy, you should see me
20:06:57 <bsmntbombdood> k
20:07:03 <bsmntbombdood> pix plox
20:07:12 <oklopol> >>> pix
20:07:51 <oklopol> i didn't mean that literally.
20:08:04 <oklopol> it's more of an intellectual kind of sexy
20:09:32 <bsmntbombdood> ha
20:10:35 <ehird`> oklopol: so, the ugly kind of sexy
20:10:41 <ehird`> right? :p
20:11:33 <oklopol> :D
20:11:46 <oklopol> hey, i'm seeing two girls atm!
20:14:50 <bsmntbombdood> i have a funny story
20:14:56 <bsmntbombdood> i was eating some sprats
20:14:59 <bsmntbombdood> on toast
20:15:06 <bsmntbombdood> and i said to myself "yummy"
20:15:09 <bsmntbombdood> </story>
20:18:45 <oklopol> haha "sprats" xD
20:18:55 <oklopol> that's a funny story alright :DD
20:21:28 <bsmntbombdood> i know!
20:22:14 <oklopol> also when you said "yummy", omg i almost wet my pants :DD
20:22:37 <bsmntbombdood> i thought you were naked
20:23:32 <oklopol> figuratively
20:24:22 <oklopol> i have a blanket under me, i could wet that one
20:26:35 <oklopol> my physics matriculation exam is tomorrow 8|
20:26:41 <oklopol> i don't know any fucking physics
20:26:52 <oklopol> teach me! teach me everything!
20:31:29 <bsmntbombdood> p = m*v
20:31:59 <oklopol> i know that!
20:32:12 <oklopol> i don't know any terms in english tohugh
20:32:14 <oklopol> *though
20:32:21 <oklopol> only done physics @ school
20:34:18 <bsmntbombdood> what are you matriculating for?
20:39:18 <oklopol> you mean, "why"?
20:39:23 <oklopol> or... hmm
20:40:22 <bsmntbombdood> what is the test for
20:42:33 <oklopol> physics?
20:42:39 <oklopol> oh
20:42:48 <bsmntbombdood> ...who is making you take it?
20:42:52 <oklopol> we have these test @ the end of high-school.
20:43:01 <bsmntbombdood> oh
20:43:08 <oklopol> "what is the test for" is also ambiguous :P
20:43:29 <oklopol> it's hard when parsing requires intelligence...
20:44:01 <oklopol> i had my english test and got the best grade possible, and i suck @ english
20:44:06 <oklopol> so i have high hopes still :P
20:44:21 <oklopol> i guess i don't suck when i try, but same goes for physics
20:44:23 <oklopol> hopefully
20:44:31 <oklopol> i hope it rains tomorrow
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23:26:55 <ehird`> TURTLES
23:27:25 <bsmntbombdood> wrong
23:28:00 <ehird`> right!
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23:29:08 <oerjan> go west!
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