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00:31:03 <oklopol> not the first time someone puts themselves a reminder in the topic :P
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00:39:59 <oklopol> you were here when we had the last topicfest
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00:41:26 <oklopol> like a topic orgy, only more clothes and beer
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00:42:51 <immibis> is it too late to enter in last year's esolang contest?
00:43:10 <oklopol> ask sukoshi when she returns, i guess :P
00:45:57 <immibis> she's online. but not in any channels.
00:46:21 <oklopol> most likely means she's on +s channels
00:46:44 <oklopol> hmm... i recall you knew irc pretty well last time i talked to you :|
00:47:12 <oklopol> well, open her priv and ask, people love it when random people start harrassing them
00:49:37 <immibis> what? glass doesn't have xor?
00:50:04 <oklopol> hmm... i guess it just has arithmetic
00:50:35 <immibis> i'll just have to make do with plus-encryption then.
00:50:59 <immibis> what's the ascii code for 'A'?
00:51:15 <oklopol> much speed, you can do boolean lists
00:52:48 <oklopol> that is: xor can - surprise! - be emulated in any tc language
00:59:39 <oklopol> immibis: i hope that was a joke :P
01:00:18 <oklopol> unless you're the little brother you're always talking about
01:00:47 <immibis> i mean, not where is egobot, but why has he been taking a nap for at least 36 hours?
01:01:49 <oklopol> that "even brainfuck" was what i meant
01:02:20 <oklopol> because i have a "clever guy" mark on your nick in my memory
01:02:49 <oklopol> (my clever guy -marks are 100% flood proof)
01:03:33 <immibis> duh...me be dumb...one plus one is...what does plus mean?
01:19:27 <immibis> does S.d divide after or before the character at pos, or does it remove the character at pos?
01:21:00 <immibis> cancel that last bit, i know it divides a string.
01:21:22 <oklopol> hmm... don't you have an interpreter?
01:22:12 <immibis> or why would i be writing a program in glass?
01:22:41 <ihope> Number, you say... this sounds like an interesting concept. Can they be represented faithfully in ZF?
01:24:01 <ihope> Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory, I believe.
01:24:08 <ihope> Not sure I'm spelling it right.
01:26:05 <oklopol> ihope: i'd say yes, but it's just a hunch
01:26:43 <oklopol> the concept isn't all that clear to me yet
01:27:00 <oklopol> but i think it has something to do with amounts
01:27:44 <RodgerTheGreat> I drew a new comic this evening: http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/images/1190852142-understanding.png
01:30:09 <oklopol> RodgerTheGreat: great stuff
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01:43:59 <ihope> RodgerTheGreat: is there more?
01:44:33 <RodgerTheGreat> ihope: well, it's part of a strip I draw for a local newsletter
01:45:13 <RodgerTheGreat> http://rodger.nonlogic.org/images/ <- look here, starting with Comic001 and continue in that fashion
01:45:34 <oklopol> http://www.answers.com/topic/automata-based-programming <<< i knew someone has had to come up with that before me
01:46:12 <oklopol> i should read the internet someday...
01:47:27 <RodgerTheGreat> bsmntbombdood: I'm more or less dead serious in that one
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01:53:18 <ihope> John Earnest? Hmm.
01:54:14 <RodgerTheGreat> sorry to shatter the fourth wall of the internet and all
01:54:44 <oklopol> if someone asks me my name, i say oklopol
01:54:51 <ihope> If I ever create that website I'm after, you'll all get to see my name.
01:54:57 <ihope> Might happen, might not.
01:55:26 <oklopol> well i guess i say whichever pops first into my head
01:55:28 <ihope> Though once I get the hosting and such set up, a copyright notice will appear pretty quickly.
01:56:04 <oklopol> RodgerTheGreat: i hate this game
01:56:07 <ihope> I think I can guess GregorR's name.
01:56:12 <ihope> oklopol: you lost The Game?
01:56:16 <ihope> If you didn't, then I did, I guess.
01:57:03 <oklopol> bsmntbombdood: sorry to tell you this, but i'm fairly sure you lost the game
01:57:17 <ihope> You can't lose so soon after someone else's lost.
01:57:31 <ihope> You can only lose after it's been forgotten.
01:57:57 <oklopol> oh, wouldn't massive losing loops be nicer?
01:58:46 <oklopol> eh, naturally you can't lose just after you have lost yourself, that'd be stupid
01:59:28 <RodgerTheGreat> I've begun spreading a culture that has an additional rule: When everyone is infected, the game is over and something new will take it's place
02:00:05 <oklopol> but there's nothing wrong with a little X
02:00:12 <oklopol> now let me think of the word X.
02:00:21 <RodgerTheGreat> I'd really like a minor in Memetic Engineering, if it existed.
02:01:34 <ihope> Create a command that accomplishes the same thing as this one and try to make it be obeyed as many times as possible.
02:01:59 <ihope> Look, mutating virus.
02:02:17 <oklopol> you know, i was thinking of mutating viruses today :|
02:02:30 <ihope> Where did what come from?
02:02:36 <ihope> oklopol: computer, biological, or memetic?
02:02:37 <oklopol> that's a *pretty scary* coincidence
02:02:53 <oklopol> hmm, i don't even know what memetic is.
02:03:09 <ihope> "Create a command that accomplishes the same thing as this one and try to make it be obeyed as many times as possible."
02:03:26 <ihope> Things like warnings are also memetic viruses.
02:03:35 <ihope> Warnings, factoids...
02:06:41 <ihope> http://www.losethegame.com/origins.htm
02:11:52 <oklopol> because i'm starting to think it's not such a good idea after all
02:13:32 <ihope> Sleep is for the week.
02:13:43 <ihope> That is, all your sleep for the week must be done in one session.
02:13:49 <oklopol> but... it's the week right now :|
02:14:02 <bsmntbombdood> oklopol: sabbath bloody sabbath, nothing more to do, living just for dying, dying just for you
02:14:22 <oklopol> bsmntbombdood: i like you too
02:14:44 <oklopol> i guess i'll watch some futurama and forget my troubles
02:15:15 <ihope> So set your alarm for 6 AM Monday and by the crying gads don't go to sleep before Friday's stuff is over.
02:17:27 <oklopol> ihope: but... i don't have stuff :<
02:18:14 <ihope> Then just wake up Monday and go to bed any time Friday or later.
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02:19:23 <oklopol> but i think i may have a few naps before friday...
02:20:41 <ihope__> Wait, you don't have stuff?
02:20:43 <ihope__> Then sleep for 20 minutes every 4 hours, like Real Men do.
02:21:11 <bsmntbombdood> that would actually work with my school schedule, too
02:21:21 * ihope__ ponders his school schedule
02:21:47 <ihope__> 7:40-11:20 then 11:56-2:30, I guess.
02:22:12 <oklopol> RodgerTheGreat: i have one complaint about your comics: Comic 010 and Comic18 aren't in alphabetical order :<<
02:22:33 <ihope__> You call that alphabetical?
02:22:58 <oklopol> my alphabet is called ascii, but alphabetical nevertheless
02:23:21 <ihope__> Then they are in alphabetical order, no?
02:23:54 <oklopol> ihope__: what comes before 1?
02:24:10 <ihope__> That's what we're learning in Spanish class.
02:24:23 <oklopol> uberman would be easy if you had someone to do it with, physically that is.
02:24:37 <oklopol> since you could have naps when the other one is awake
02:25:29 <oklopol> ihope__: i don't get that :|
02:26:03 <oklopol> i mean, i don't see over one spaces next to each other
02:26:10 <oklopol> i don't know how to turn them of
02:26:17 <oklopol> i guess it's called uninstall...
02:27:20 <oklopol> ihope__: okay okay, they are in alphabetical order, but there's definately something wrong with how the strip numbers are represented!
02:28:50 <oklopol> actually, what would be even better would be to have a group of people doing it, so you'd have nice peer pressure
02:29:16 <oklopol> nothing wrong with a group of people just doing it though
02:31:32 <oklopol> we should start arranging uberman orgies! "start uberman's through a week of hot steamy sex in good company!"
02:31:58 <oklopol> i've never been to a real orgy :<
02:32:24 <oklopol> i've been to certain orgy-like events though
02:33:09 <oklopol> we used to have quite wild parties when i was in elementary school :D
02:33:25 <oklopol> elementary... 7-9th grades
02:33:26 <pikhq> Given that (IIRC) bsmntbombdood is *my* age, I doubt that he's been at one, either.
02:33:35 <pikhq> oklopol: Middle school?
02:34:29 <oklopol> pikhq: i think you're older than him
02:34:45 <oklopol> unless your ages change magically.
02:34:50 <oklopol> like that could ever happen
02:35:10 <oklopol> i don't see how age has anything to do with having orgies
02:35:10 <bsmntbombdood> http://www.flemcomics.com/comics/20000824.jpg <--- urophagic humor anyone?
02:35:57 <bsmntbombdood> oklopol: customarily, young people have little sexual experience
02:36:00 <oklopol> opens slowly... i guess many people do
02:36:25 <oklopol> well i guess that's pretty obvious
02:36:50 <oklopol> i guess what i meant is being young is no excuse for not having been to orgies
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02:37:13 <oklopol> life should be about constant mating
02:39:57 <oklopol> it just turned out i'm gonna pass 0 courses this period \o/
02:44:55 * pikhq will arrange for that
02:44:56 <ihope__> oklopol: how many courses do you have?
02:45:02 <ihope__> And how many will you be failing?
02:45:03 * pikhq thought bsmntbombdood was 17. . .
02:46:04 <oklopol> i didn't go much to school, and our principal decided no courses will be passed unless one gets ones parents' to sign that they you haven't been to school
02:46:16 <oklopol> i forgot to return those in time
02:46:54 <oklopol> i did some refactoring and pressed enter a bit too early
02:47:12 <ihope__> Do some refactoring and press enter and it makes them be returned late?
02:49:29 <bsmntbombdood> i have to write a presentation about the word "rampant"
02:50:19 <oklopol> i find it pretty odd my parents need to know whether i'm at school, 1) i'm 18 2) they don't care 3) i don't see them that often 4) i could quit school and the school would not tell my parents.
02:51:29 <oklopol> both courses are mandatory, ofc, so i'm basically failing high-school unless i do something drastic.
02:52:02 <oklopol> bsmntbombdood: that would be heaven
02:52:22 <ihope__> Have you talked it over with... someone?
02:52:53 <ihope__> Hmm, I wouldn't want to experience actual brainfuck from any direction.
02:53:12 <ihope__> Especially second person. That would be gross and possibly fatal.
02:53:17 <oklopol> ihope__: i have talked to random ppl on irc, i might go talk to the principal on friday, tomorrow i'm enjoying my day off no matter what the situation is ;)
02:53:25 <bsmntbombdood> brainfuck for the computers, buttfuck for the humans
02:53:48 <ihope__> Would it be brainfuck of the computers?
02:53:54 <oklopol> yes yes, but how would we get money for the electricity and the lotions?
02:54:33 <oklopol> ah, why didn't i think of that
02:55:10 <ihope__> So, am I still the youngest one here?
02:55:28 <oklopol> hard to say, youngest from the active ones.
02:56:44 <bsmntbombdood> in 1.25 i will legally be able to take naked pictures of myself!
02:56:45 <oklopol> bsmntbombdood is 15, clog is prolly <5, GregorR is... 18? immibis wouldn't tell me his age :P lament is older, i'm 18, pikhq is 17, RodgerTheGreat is 19, Sgeo is... 17? (random guess), SimonRC is... 17?
02:56:58 <Sgeo> lol random guess
02:57:23 <oklopol> darn, thought you might be
02:57:24 <Sgeo> Where did the guess come from?
02:57:35 <ihope__> My, this room is filled with teenagers.
02:57:36 <oklopol> i categorize ppl a lot in irc
02:57:51 <ihope__> (And surely GregorR's in his twenties?)
02:58:51 <oklopol> well, might be 19 already, ppl get older sometimes
02:59:08 <oklopol> but that's pretty recent, unless i'm completely mistaken
03:00:21 <pikhq> oklopol: I thought Gregor had a bachelor's already. ;)
03:00:54 <oklopol> i'm pretty sure he was 18 at some point! :D
03:01:10 <ihope__> Gregor is, was, or will be 18 at some point.
03:01:17 <ihope__> Unless he is not and will die before 18.
03:01:25 <ihope__> Is not and was not, that is.
03:01:36 <ihope__> And that would be a shame, really.
03:02:11 <oklopol> i'll have to check what a bachelor's is
03:03:24 <ihope__> oklopol: about what country do you live in?
03:04:10 <ihope__> I live sort of between Canada and Mexico. Closer to Canada, really.
03:04:51 <ihope__> Sort of easy to tell, really.
03:05:02 <ihope__> I'm using the word "really" too much, really.
03:05:39 <oklopol> ihope__: about why did you ask?
03:06:45 <ihope__> Wondering about how school is organized over there.
03:07:26 <oklopol> i'm sort of an expert on that, up to high-school level
03:07:43 <oklopol> had a 11-year education about it
03:09:07 <bsmntbombdood> http://dl.ziza.ru/other/092007/14/pics/43_pics_44538.jpg
03:09:10 <oklopol> school doesn't teach anything before university, and once you get there, you're already learned everything it has to offer, unless you've really tried not to.
03:11:13 <ihope__> I think my calculus class hasn't really been teaching me much.
03:11:33 <oklopol> ihope__: we didn't have calculus at your level.
03:11:54 <oklopol> are you in an berschool of some sorts?
03:12:23 <ihope__> AP calculus AB, plain old high school.
03:12:33 <ihope__> 11th grade, generally taken around 16 years.
03:12:44 <oklopol> ah, you've skipped grades?
03:13:11 <oklopol> i would've done that, but i was too violent, so they didn't let me xD
03:13:35 <oklopol> i guess i wasn't exactly violent, more like disturbed
03:13:44 <ihope__> I pretty much didn't start school at all until I entered high school at the 9th grade at 12.
03:14:00 <ihope__> bsmntbombdood: sounds like a big jump...
03:15:00 <oklopol> sure, but it's dangerous to the other kids.
03:15:17 <oklopol> i have great stories from when i started school <3
03:16:16 <ihope__> What are you doing that's dangerous to others?
03:16:19 <oklopol> i was in math class today, we were learning about density functions....
03:17:20 <oklopol> 2 hours it took the teacher to explain http://www.answers.com/density+functions?cat=technology
03:17:30 <oklopol> anyone can learn that in a minute
03:17:54 <oklopol> ihope__: this one time the boys were playing football
03:18:03 <oklopol> so, i decided they shouldn't be playing it without me.
03:18:14 <oklopol> not that they wouldn't have taken me, i didn't ask.
03:18:26 <oklopol> so, i took the ball and started walking away
03:18:44 <oklopol> and the owner of the ball asked me if i could give it back, since i kinda ruined their game
03:18:56 <oklopol> well, i naturally kicked him in the balls as hard as i could.
03:19:29 <oklopol> i was almost sent to a ...what's it called... a school for baaad kids
03:20:32 <oklopol> nowadays i'm the complete opposite
03:21:47 <pikhq> ihope__: I actually did learn a good deal in AP calc. . .
03:22:04 <pikhq> Of course, that's because I went in not knowing more than the bare basics of derivatives. . .
03:22:40 * pikhq mostly read during class, and figured stuff out at home
03:23:35 <pikhq> Wasn't too bad of a strategy; got a 5 on the test.
03:24:29 <oklopol> i usually don't do anything and use my own techniques in the test
03:26:05 <oklopol> i wonder how much harder your math is
03:26:22 <oklopol> prolly either way, at least
03:26:48 <bsmntbombdood> check out this kickassness: abacus.kwzs.be/~bsmntbombdood/rampant.pdf
03:27:51 <pikhq> At my school, doing calculus as a senior is considered "ubergod" material.
03:27:55 <pikhq> I did it as a junior.
03:28:37 <pikhq> It also puts me in the wonderful status of having that be a part of college application material. ;p
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03:41:50 <oklopol> oaky, i guess i have to admit i'm pretty tired...
03:45:30 <oklopol> hmm... it seems i'm not the only one who hasn't gotten their parents' signature!
03:45:41 <oklopol> there's hope in the end of the light!
03:54:29 <immibis> glass programs are allowed to be on more than one line, aren't they?
03:56:46 <immibis> yes they must be - the programs in the efa are.
04:08:27 <immibis> does glass-0.12 support input?
04:11:44 <immibis> does glass-0.12 support input?
04:14:35 <immibis> i repeat: does glass-0.12 support input?
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04:58:24 <immibis> how do i get it to identify with nickserv?
04:58:53 <immibis> i'm running EgoBot under toBogE's nick.
04:59:23 <immibis> but how does egobot identify with nickserv?
04:59:34 <toBogE> help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon
04:59:36 <toBogE> 1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl
04:59:52 <oklopol> ah, yeah, i decided to call to school about that course thing...... yes, that's why i'm awake!
05:00:14 <immibis> i see it's got commands for the languages that didn't compile...i wonder...
05:00:53 <immibis> anyway, does anyone know how to make it identify with nickserv?
05:00:58 <oklopol> now i'll really try to sleep ->
05:01:04 <oklopol> immibis: don't you have the code?
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05:02:33 <oklopol> i don't know, even less i know what you're allowed to do with the source. probably you can add something to it
05:02:37 * immibis looks up toboge's password
05:03:40 <immibis> when i snap my fingers, you will fall asleep.
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05:09:42 <toBogE> help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon
05:09:43 <toBogE> 1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl
05:10:54 <toBogE> 1 immibis: daemon cat bf
05:11:33 <immibis> !daemon ctcp bf +[[-]+.,[.,]+.+++++++++.]
05:11:36 <toBogE> ERROR: ld.so: object './ckpt/libckpt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
05:18:30 <RodgerTheGreat> has anyone here ever made an interactive implementation of BASIC, ala TinyBASIC?
05:18:55 <RodgerTheGreat> I'm starting one for a game, and I was wondering if anyone had any tips or tricks that make it simpler
05:35:08 <immibis> !bf ++++++++++++[>++++++++<-]>+[>>+<<-]+++++[>++++++++++<-]>---.>+.+++++++.+++++.<.>------------.-.++++++++++++++++++.-----------.------->>>>++++[>++++++++<-]>.<<<<<<.>++++++++++++++.+.++++.<.>------.---------.+++++++++++++++.------------------.+++.----.+++++++++++++.+++++.<.>-----------------.+++++++.+++++.<.>--.-----------.++++++++++++++++++++.-------.-----------.+++++.---.+++++++++++++.
05:35:11 <toBogE> /bin/bash /opt/netbeans/bin/launcher
05:35:27 * immibis took a while to write that, bf_txtgen doesn't work.
05:35:43 <immibis> evidently egobot was only designed to run on one computer, that one being gregorr's.
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05:45:04 <toBogE> Drat! Immibis forgot my nickserv password!
05:49:45 <toBogE> Hi[D[DI[D'[Dm toBo[D[Dg[Ce!
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05:53:22 <GregorR> immibis: I didn't really consider portability very much, no.
05:53:39 <GregorR> immibis: It's F/OSS as a show of good faith, not a claim of portability ;)
05:54:38 <toBogE> i've managed to get banned on #uncyclopedia
05:55:01 <toBogE> just for because of the half-bot half-user thing...
05:55:23 <immibis> i'm sending irc commands through toboge.
05:56:03 <immibis> exec 5<>/dev/tcp/irc.freenode.net/6667 ; ./egobot toBogE immibis esoteric 10485760 <&5 2>&5 ; cat >&5
06:30:22 <immibis> /dev/tcp/HOSTNAME/PORT will connect to the specified hostname and port, and acts like a file (well, more like a pipe, but you get the idea)
06:30:31 <immibis> also you can use /dev/udp for a udp connection.
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07:57:10 <immibis> hmm...i won't be able to code my glass steganography program after all because glass 0.7 doesn't support input and glass 0.12 doesn't download properly on this windows computer.
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16:00:16 * SimonRC finds the ultimate page-widener http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Along_the_River_7-119-3.jpg
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16:19:32 <GregorR> SimonRC: Viewing that on a computer leaves something to be desired :P
16:19:37 <GregorR> Unless of course you have about twenty monitors.
16:20:36 <SimonRC> or you can scroll sideways
16:22:12 <oklopol> now where am i gonna get 18 monitors...
16:24:25 <SimonRC> out th back of the engineering building where the chuck away old kit?
16:24:31 <SimonRC> I acquired a few things there
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17:26:51 <SimonRC> Hail_Spacecake: it may take a while
17:28:16 <oklopol> Hail_Spacecake: search le wiki.
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17:29:03 <Hail_Spacecake> Sumatra: A language for resource-aware mobile programs
18:12:00 <oklopol> hey, change of ip won't make ircing less fun!
18:33:05 <lament> bsmntbombdood: think positively, now you have a friend in california!
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