< 1193272350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1193273136 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1193274054 0 :staplegun!n=staplegu@CPE-121-218-206-107.nsw.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1193274189 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howzit < 1193274199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1; < 1193274213 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(//_-) < 1193274375 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...|... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .._,,-~~~-,-,,_ < 1193274376 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...|... ... ... ,,---,,_... ...,-~",-":__-,: : :"-,:::"'~,, < 1193274379 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.,,-~~--,, ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...|... ... ,~": : --,,:"~,,-"::::/:,-". . ."'~-,,: \,::::_,,"~-,, < 1193274380 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/: : : : : : :"'~-,,... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... |... ... /: : : : :~"'\,: \::__/:|o--,,. . . . .\,: ¯¯: : : : : :"-, < 1193274382 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\: : : : : : : : : : :""~,,... ... ... ... ... ... ... |... ... .\: : : : : :,,-"~": : : "'~~-,:"'~-,,_|: : :,-"¯¯¯¯"-,:| < 1193274384 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.'~,: : : : : : : : : : : : :"'~-,,_... ... ... ... ...|... ... .."-,_: ,-" : : : : : : : : : : : "~,--~": : (o~--,,_. . |:| < 1193274385 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ."'~-,,: : : : : : : : : : : : :"-,~--,... ... ... |... ... ... ...,/: : : : : : ,,--,-,~-,,: : :"~-,,: : :"~,___:"-/,/__ < 1193274387 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ...,"~"~--,,_,,-~"`"`": : "-,::"'~~--,,_..| ... ... ... ..|: : : ,: :,-". ,-"./. . . ."-,,_: : :"~-~": : : :"'-,,~,:"-,, < 1193274389 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... .,/: : : : --,,:|: : : : : : : : :"-,,::::::::::::"~--,,_... ... \: : :|: /. .,/. . |. . . ,-".|. "~,,_____,,,,,__:\: : : : | < 1193274392 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... .|: : : : : : : "|: : : : : : :,: : : :\:::::::::::::::::::::"'~~-,,"-,:|: |. /. . . .|. .,-". . |. ,-"'. \. . .,/|. . . .",:\: : ,/ < 1193274395 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ..\, : : : : : ,/ : : : : : : :|: : : ,/::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::"\: "-,,___,\,/___,,\/___. |,-". |. . . ,/.|: |,~" < 1193274398 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... ",-,,,__/: : : : : : :,/,_~"-:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::"-,,____,, : : : : : : : : : "'~,,,/.,,~". ,/: / < 1193274401 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... /: : : : :"-,,___,,-": : ,"-,-:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::'\: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : "-"__,-":,-" < 1193274401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kickban. Please. < 1193274404 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... '\,_: : : : : : /-,,___,,"~-----~~~~,~---,,__::::::::::::::::::::::|: : : : : : : : __,,--~"~,,___,,-" < 1193274407 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... ... ."'~---~"... ... ... ... ... ... ...|---~"::::"'~-::::::::::::::::,/: : : : : : : : : :\"~,, < 1193274409 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .|::::::::::::::::::::::::::::,,": : : : : : : : : : : |:::::"-,, < 1193274412 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .|:::::::::::::::::::::::,,-": : : : : : : : : : : : :,|:::::::::"-, < 1193274415 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .|::::::::::_,,,--~~": : : : : : : : : : : : : : :,/::::::::::::::\, < 1193274418 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .|----~~" : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :,/::::::::::::::::::\, < 1193274421 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .|: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :,-,"::::::::::::::::::::::\ < 1193274424 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... |: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : _,,~"SL'\,::::::::::::::::::::::\ < 1193274427 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... |: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :,,-"... ... ... .\:::::::::::::::::::::::\ < 1193274430 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... |: : : : : : : : : : : :_,,--~"... ... ... ... ...\:::::::::::::::::::::::\ < 1193274435 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1193274569 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1193274583 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1193274587 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't even tell what it is < 1193274606 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a smurf smoking a joint? < 1193274606 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ubersite.com/m/47705 < 1193274610 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, and kickban < 1193274719 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes .. god forbit i disrupt your indepth conversation with less than a few kilobytes of data < 1193274725 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forbid* < 1193275030 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.8/2007100816]" < 1193279136 0 :staplegun!n=staplegu@CPE-121-218-206-107.nsw.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1193283426 0 :Sgeo!n=Anonymou@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1193288994 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1193289784 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip24-255-58-134.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1193289816 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1193289844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :たこ。おいしい、ね。 < 1193289859 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably old news, but saw this on slashdot: http://www.wolframscience.com/prizes/tm23/solution_news.html < 1193289959 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alex Smith is an undergraduate studying Electronic and Computer Engineering at the University of Birmingham, UK. He has a background in mathematics and esoteric programming languages." < 1193289982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh. < 1193289987 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone we know? < 1193290005 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno.. didn't find anything on the wiki with his name, but that doesn't mean much < 1193290216 0 :oklopol!i=oko@194.251.101.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1193290223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would the real Alex Smith please stand up? < 1193290258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a new computer. < 1193290308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would('ve) be(en) so cool if he were from here < 1193290413 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i wish i'd joined 15 seconds later < 1193290421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would've made a funny < 1193290448 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1193290448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even cooler than these two put together would be if i actually were alex, unfortunately i'm not < 1193290668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gun -> < 1193290680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gun to school -> < 1193290850 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bang < 1193292031 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds stupid < 1193292574 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1193292963 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1193294394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1193295774 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.8/2007100816]" < 1193299199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1193299200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1193303551 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1193310339 0 :staplegun!n=staplegu@121.218.206.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1193310692 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1193311000 0 :bsmntbom1dood!i=gavin@rrcs-67-52-47-67.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1193311086 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siif < 1193311669 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1193311741 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.8/2007100816]" < 1193314901 0 :zuzu_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1193314904 0 :zuzu!i=zuzu@melanarchy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1193316439 0 :oklopol!i=oko@194.251.101.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1193317077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1193317078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1193320821 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host110-92-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1193322879 0 :INTERCAL!i=INTERCAL@158.39.238.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1193322900 0 :INTERCAL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foreach (user in channel) do print("Hi!"); < 1193323772 0 :INTERCAL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program seems bugged. a = 3 + 5; print(a); < 1193324017 0 :INTERCAL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1193324600 0 :Sgeo!n=Anonymou@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1193326955 0 :ehird`!n=test@user-544158a3.l5.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1193327228 0 :ais523!n=chatzill@chillingi.eee.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1193327412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you were right, the person who solved the 2,3 Turing machine problem is on #esoteric < 1193327430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd like to thank whoever it was who put the original prize in the topic and let me know about it in the first place) < 1193327447 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1193327457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, ehird` < 1193327471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was logreading and saw people discussing their discovery < 1193327486 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, was it solved? that wolfram turing machine thing? < 1193327496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also realises their gender is now public knowledge, but continues stubbornly using gender-neutral pronouns anyway < 1193327506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird': see http://wolframprize.org < 1193327510 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the person was in #esoteric??????? < 1193327512 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1193327534 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1193327536 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just crazy < 1193327543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity I'm in the wrong timezone to have been in either of the conversations about it < 1193327549 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what to say it's amazing < 1193327576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want proof, just deduce my email address from my IRC username and the facts given in the article, and I'll send you a reply (which the University servers auto-stamp with my real name) < 1193327616 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, YOU solved it? < 1193327647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1193327658 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1193327673 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it involve writing a mapping to brainfuck? ;) < 1193327714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, cyclic tag systems < 1193327740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a client running in an X terminal window on Windows which tends to hang for no apparent reason every now and then < 1193327772 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, perhaps a bit simpler ;) < 1193327840 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy, though < 1193327843 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely crazy < 1193327853 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you're crazy too, btw ;)) < 1193327883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in #esoteric, so that was so obvious you didn't need to point it out < 1193327903 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1193328036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a strange feeling, sitting at a computer trying to stop an INTERCAL compiler while you know at any second a journalist might phone and ask questions ranging from informed to inane < 1193328079 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, who's going to write a brainfuck interpreter in it? < 1193328101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs at a speed worse than two to the two to the number of steps, so I suspect nobody any time soon < 1193328114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least with the initial condition I used) < 1193328123 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH WELL THEORETICAL-LAND HATES YOU TOO :< < 1193328173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll just have to find a more efficient way to do it. (I suspect there probably is one.) < 1193328203 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any not-trivial program in cyclic tag systems written? < 1193328210 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not-trivial = dividing two numbers < 1193328211 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1193328293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and it seems that it's lament that I have to thank for unwittingly letting me know about the problem in the first place by putting it in the topic < 1193328311 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess he gets half the prize money? ;) hahaha < 1193328515 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1193328986 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1193329355 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you are all over google < 1193329389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be careful with the search terms; it's easy to phrase it in such a way that you get people with the same name as me who are not me < 1193329398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are still quite a lot of results even then < 1193329404 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i searched for: wolfram 2 3 < 1193329405 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1193329410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/then/if you exclude false positives/ < 1193329412 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tons on tons of results, near-all have your name < 1193329420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: that's what I would have recommended < 1193329637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on my own Googling attempts < 1193329690 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1193329703 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I just won $25k from Wolfram! Time to see how I'm doing on Google." < 1193329825 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-86-237.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1193330002 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1193330003 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1193330037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I've looked back at my IRC terminal I see more comments I can't think of a good response to < 1193330057 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running a terminal emulator emulator < 1193330071 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the trials in the life of a computer scientist < 1193330076 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you cope? ;) < 1193330078 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running in a terminal emulator written in curses < 1193330086 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbom1dood: what < 1193330101 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn straight bitch < 1193330134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbom1dood: my current working version of the C-INTERCAL compiler contains a compiler for a language designed specifically for writing INTERCAL optimizer idioms < 1193330152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler is written in yacc, which means in this case yacc is a compiler compiler compiler < 1193330168 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i hope you tell this to the journalists, they need to know what an exciting life you have < 1193330206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly most of them weren't very interested < 1193330216 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing! :o < 1193330219 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell them how sexy i am instead < 1193330226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are a few esolang references dropped into some of the articles if you look closely enough < 1193330298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram's related blog entry, for instance < 1193330739 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey guys good news! I found a polynomial-time algorithm running on this 2,3 Turing machine for an NP-complete problem!" -- person I know < 1193330769 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's probably funnier first time due to the fact it's on a rather idle post tagged on after "Edit: ") < 1193330830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be quite impressed if someone came across an NP-complete problem that could manage that < 1193330848 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1193330968 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-88-8.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1193331045 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah: < 1193331050 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Only God and Chuck Norris can solve the halting problem. < 1193331050 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edit: Also Rudy Giuliani. It turns out that for any input, the answer is 9/11. :/" < 1193331126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the neat thing about the Turing machine in question is unlike with most languages, a program that lasts an infinite amount of time has to be infinitely long < 1193331145 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... doesn't that make it NOT universal? < 1193331152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if there was a proof which filled space with a simple repeating pattern rather than the complicated nested pattern I used < 1193331153 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have to be able to do finite infinite loops? < 1193331181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that the initial condition is always derived from a finite original program using a non-Turing-complete-in-itself process < 1193331260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think about it, all Turing machine initial conditions are infinitely long because the tape itself is infinitely long and you have to specify every element on it < 1193331393 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1193331393 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1193331747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1193333333 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not true < 1193333354 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setting up the initial conditions themselves can be represented as a program < 1193333359 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the program will be finite < 1193333379 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's gone now < 1193333382 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only infinite thing is that the tape starts off as infinite zeros < 1193333400 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, you directly caused him to find out about it and then win it < 1193333401 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty cool < 1193333772 0 :oklopol!i=oko@194.251.101.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1193334368 0 :Nucleo!n=Connecti@mskresolve-a.mskcc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1193334757 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, just read the log < 1193334760 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so cool! < 1193334765 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric kicks ass < 1193334768 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, i haven't read it yet < 1193334771 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is cool < 1193334784 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean your conversation with ais523 < 1193334817 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want your hard esoteric problem solved - show it to #esoteric people! < 1193334824 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1193334824 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1193334825 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet :) < 1193334837 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO, from earlier today: Oooh. Anyone we know? < 1193334854 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, #esoteric avoided all publicity < 1193334867 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should ask ais523 to mention it somewhere :) < 1193334876 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would('ve) be(en) so cool if he were from here < 1193334900 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: imagine how bad reddit was -- and they're more intelligent than most people, on average -- and multiply it times a few million < 1193334904 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: do you still want to do that? < 1193334918 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: yes < 1193334922 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not few million < 1193334928 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not _that_ important a result < 1193334934 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably just the people who read wolfram's blog < 1193334942 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's had newspaper articles, iirc < 1193334943 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are hopefully much smarter than redditers < 1193334947 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not published yet ofc) < 1193334959 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newspaper articles aren't gonna mention an irc channel, because they don't know what that is < 1193334968 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1193334976 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we could post to lambda the ultimate if he's fine with that < 1193334981 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really funny, this line: < 1193334984 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you were right, the person who solved the 2,3 Turing machine problem is on #esoteric < 1193334991 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't catch on that he meant him until a bit later < 1193334993 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;;;;;:;;;:;;;;;: < 1193335041 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the redditers thing wasn't that bad in the long run < 1193335052 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idiots left within a day < 1193335054 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's redditors, just fyi < 1193335065 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? < 1193335070 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2,3 guy is here? < 1193335074 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbom1dood: ais523 solved it < 1193335089 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1193335098 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbom1dood: !!! < 1193335103 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible < 1193335108 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Esoteric programming language discussion | FORUM AND WIKI: esolangs.org | CHANNEL LOGS: http://ircbrowse.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric | IRP in #irp | Don't spam the channel with EgoBot commands, /query EgoBot | Don't spam the channel with toBogE commands, /join #toboge | Don't spam the channel with bsmnt_bot commands, take him to your own channel. | Congratulations ais523 for winning the Wolfram research prize! < 1193335113 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's evidently possible < 1193335116 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1193335132 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: if you want proof, just deduce my email address from my IRC username and the facts given in the article, and I'll send you a reply (which the University servers auto-stamp with my real name) < 1193335215 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible because I'M the one who solved it < 1193335229 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1193335239 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all know you are ais523 ;) < 1193335390 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-033-250.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1193335574 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should post something about #esoteric and the prize < 1193335919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty spiffy. < 1193336754 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION happens to be sitting in a leather armchair < 1193337578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION too < 1193337937 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sitting on a piano bench! < 1193338030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you play? < 1193338059 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at the moment < 1193338074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many pianists do we have here? < 1193338080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a POLL! < 1193338085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is one < 1193338085 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :69105 < 1193338094 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a pianist, i'm a musician. < 1193338106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, i'm more of a general musician myself < 1193338173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's Gregor. . . < 1193338243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a small percentage < 1193338417 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :musician < 1193338562 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :musician < 1193338589 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :musician < 1193338765 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Singer. < 1193338781 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POOPERIZERMATOR < 1193338785 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, yes. < 1193338807 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Is everyone in here a musician? XD < 1193338839 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not < 1193338840 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1193338843 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :banned < 1193338849 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1193338864 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a 3-day grace period to learn to play some instrument < 1193338876 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can play the kazoo... < 1193338877 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of... < 1193339053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even have to be a complex instrument. . . < 1193339067 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can make random whines on the theremin? < 1193339069 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1193339074 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stallman, for example, sings (nasally) and plays the recorder (can't comment on quality) < 1193339088 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stallman is a crazy hobo though. < 1193339090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn the theremin. . . We could use a theremin for the Esoteric Ensemble. :p < 1193339093 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not. I don't think. < 1193339104 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually have a theremin < 1193339112 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it would be awesome until i realised i suck at anything musical < 1193339112 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1193339132 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think theremins kinda suck, but that's really cool if you actually have one < 1193339239 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mW0B1sipLBI the formal proof that theremins are awesome < 1193339319 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just thought of a great math trick < 1193339338 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised how to measure the area of an arbitrary polygon < 1193339343 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly < 1193339353 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pick some point way outside the polygon < 1193339373 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, procede round the polygon's edges < 1193339374 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define way < 1193339390 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outside the convex hull, or whatever it's called < 1193339445 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider the area defined by your point and each edge, which is a triangle... < 1193339492 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you calculate the ares of all the triangles, then add all the ones from edges that went "left" and subtract all the ones from edges that went "right", you have the area of the polygon! < 1193339536 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point you are measuring from can be a corner of the bounding box, for example < 1193339556 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the are of the triangles is given by the cosine rule, I think < 1193339575 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, you may be able to use any point outside the polygon, but I can't be sure < 1193339645 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1193339653 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even points inside the polygon work... < 1193339665 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think they do! < 1193339772 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, the area of the triangles can be found without the cosine rule < 1193339791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna theremin :O < 1193339932 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants a random .signature-C challenge? < 1193339967 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the prize a theremin? < 1193339974 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1193339981 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, i like my theremin :P < 1193340043 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the challenge is: generate the sierpinski triangle (in 4 lines or less of C, no standard compliance required - gcc hacks allowed), and print it out in ascii (any size, really... the bigger the better, because you can get more detail. I'd say something like ~200x200) < 1193340043 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1193340045 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a catch < 1193340049 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must do it with this method: < 1193340061 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Take 3 points in a plane, and form a triangle 2. Randomly select any point inside the triangle and move half the distance from that point to any of the 3 vertex points. 3. Plot the current position. Repeat from step 2. < 1193340064 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA - the chaos game < 1193340072 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll need a lot of iterations of course < 1193340196 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waitamo... < 1193340202 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am getting a funny result here... < 1193340208 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1193340216 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION types... < 1193340230 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ahve a triangle inside a bouunding rectangle... < 1193340245 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose that it has one corner at 0,0 < 1193340278 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other corners are at (w,x) and (h,y), so the bounding box has size w wide by h high... < 1193340298 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the are of the triangle seems to be (wh-xy)/2 < 1193340305 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds too simple < 1193340384 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I got this by assuming that w=h=1 initially, then rescaling < 1193340386 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1193340426 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling a y-coordinate "x" is possibly the most confusing thing ever. < 1193340434 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1193340445 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you actually mean the coordinates are (w,y) and (x,h)? < 1193340471 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I meant the corners are (w, y) and (x, h), I think.... < 1193340512 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1193340988 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, I now realise that there are some triangles that won't work for < 1193341009 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone knows alex smith? < 1193341023 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? < 1193341028 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alex smith < 1193341035 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.wolfram.com/2007/10/the_prize_is_won_the_simplest.html < 1193341054 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at 20:53:59 GMT on Saturday, June 30--just 47 days after we announced the prize--we received a submission, with the description of the submitter given as "Alex Smith is an undergraduate studying Electronic and Computer Engineering at the University of Birmingham, UK. He has a background in mathematics and esoteric programming languages." < 1193341156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: read the logs for today :D < 1193341164 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: ais523 < 1193341165 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1193341184 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah cool :) < 1193341489 0 :Arrogant!i=Arrogatn@140.orlando-09rh15-16rt.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1193341507 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host110-92-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1193341587 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi * 2 < 1193341595 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1193341680 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is a great day :) < 1193341688 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1193341699 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs jix and steals his happy. < 1193341752 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my doom cart arrived in UK (and is on the way to me), we got 1000eur for our robot team, and i think it's really cool that someone from here solved that problem < 1193341803 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had a robot that could play Doom < 1193341827 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah the doom cart and the robot stuff is completely unrelated < 1193341864 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels dumb... < 1193341891 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't change my dreams < 1193341896 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh, I could just applythe method I just rediscovered in the difficult case < 1193342332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION always feels dumb < 1193342334 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...here < 1193342345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION always feels smart here < 1193342349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anywhere else too, except for programming.. < 1193342495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is extremely annoying. now i'll have to solve the P vs. NP problem just to stay in the pecking order here... < 1193342529 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1193342534 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i do that tonight just to annoy ya? < 1193342536 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a prize for the collatz problem? < 1193342662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, nothing listed on the wikipedia page < 1193342667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 < 1193342671 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pounds < 1193342678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CollatzProblem.html < 1193342697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one < 1193342819 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1193342829 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-176-205.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1193342914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if David Morgan-Mar has ever been on the channel. But i guess his esoteric language days were in the past. < 1193342942 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? < 1193342944 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is lame < 1193342964 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Edwin Brady, and he has been here. < 1193342968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author of Irregular Webcomic, and also Chef < 1193342987 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should that be: Edwin " \t\n" Brady < 1193342994 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1193343140 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew the lag is over < 1193343153 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is parsing the whole of the brown corpus into his markov chain  < 1193343153 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit < 1193343154 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thje lag is back < 1193343157 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it's gone again < 1193343195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.176 seconds < 1193343200 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something must be awfully odd at < 1193343229 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines 32000 to lines 33000 < 1193343233 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is lagging on them < 1193343247 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gottit! < 1193343256 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: ? < 1193343272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: did my ping automatically move you into a message window? o_O < 1193343277 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1193343279 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pidgin sucks < 1193343289 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i would not use it if i was not on windows beyond my control right now) < 1193343296 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the point on the triangle are (0,0), (x1,y2), and (x2, y2), the area is (x1*y2 - x2*y1)/2 < 1193343305 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any arrangement of points < 1193343368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, cross product < 1193343377 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, so it is < 1193343393 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know someone who knows someone who knows mandelbrot < 1193343442 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: how about Gődel? < 1193343452 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is that knowledge self-similar? < 1193343453 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, excuse by charsety < 1193343456 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1193343457 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*charset < 1193343461 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: not '', but .. < 1193343465 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(windows retarded keymap, sorry) < 1193343477 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0151 < 1193343496 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DOUBLE ACCUTE" < 1193343501 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accute != dot < 1193343503 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, "ACUTE" < 1193343506 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1193343508 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Godel with an umlaut < 1193343517 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by the first know i'm talking about my previous math teacher and a good friend of mine < 1193343519 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is watching his markov chain-erator go < 1193343525 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a double-acute, not a double-dot < 1193343535 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: that is not how godel is spelled < 1193343539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not double acute, that would be Erdos < 1193343544 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yep < 1193343599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :godel-numbers are something _quite_ different from erdos-numbers < 1193343609 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1193343619 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my godel-number is somewhere in the reigon of 34872398723423! < 1193343624 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is my erdos-number, incidentally! < 1193343645 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* < 1193343648 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: you've never written a collaboratory paper? < 1193343654 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinknig on Erdo''s < 1193343661 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2nd person in that row is heinz-otto peitgen ... the doktorvater(??) of my previous math teacher < 1193343662 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thinking of < 1193343679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite recall my erdos-number but i think it was around 5-6 < 1193343691 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yow, i have something close to exponential time increase per line < 1193343693 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1193343695 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear increase < 1193343697 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still pretty bad < 1193343703 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the table gets bigger every time < 1193343704 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus next line < 1193343708 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bigger table to check in < 1193343709 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so forth < 1193343723 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he runs the company my previous math teacher works at now < 1193343754 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10000/51764... < 1193343756 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh: http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/QQ/database/QQ.09.98/tyler1.html < 1193343760 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the brown corpus so damn big? ;) < 1193343810 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11000/51764 < 1193343913 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: what is this thing? < 1193343925 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: what thing? < 1193343937 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm feeding the brown corpus into my markov chain generator < 1193343943 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1193343947 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brown corpus is, basically, a shitload of american english text < 1193343955 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence the name? < 1193343961 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence the name. < 1193343963 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Corpus < 1193343995 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just found a plaintext version < 1193343998 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am feeding it through < 1193344005 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's around 5mb < 1193344061 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1193344133 0 :ehird`!n=test@user-544158a3.l5.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1193344197 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16000/51764... < 1193344202 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sloh-oh-oww < 1193344448 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just does the first 5000 for now :P < 1193344661 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, my program is slow < 1193344907 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy... < 1193344910 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still going < 1193345559 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1193345566 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just try 500 lines < 1193345568 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1193345569 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems to work < 1193345732 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1193345735 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is very lucid < 1193345738 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm willing to stake my political career goes back to his election to city council in 1923." < 1193345742 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first thing it produced < 1193346225 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1193346230 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my markov chain produces intelligable stuff! < 1193346286 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now feed it atlas shrugged < 1193346308 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1193346368 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some text it's produced (i think the brown corpus starts with political stuff, so that'd explain these): < 1193346368 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sam Caldwell, State Highway Department public relations director, resigned Tuesday to work for Lt. Gov. Garland Byrd's campaign." < 1193346379 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I didn't smell a drop of liquor, and we didn't have a son, William Berry Jr., and a doctor, medical intern or extern be employed at the State Welfare Department's handling of federal funds granted for child welfare services in foster homes." < 1193346379 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll probably spit out a 3-page-long improvised speech given at a party with no provocation < 1193346394 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the second one < 1193346411 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay that last one doesn't quite work < 1193346432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither means anything, really < 1193346436 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've heard worse :P < 1193346459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you can "stake" an even < 1193346462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*event < 1193346469 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1193346470 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1193346474 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "I'm willing to stake my political career goes back to his election to city council in 1923." makes perfect sense < 1193346492 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it effectively means "I'm willing to bet that my political career goes back to his election to city council in 1923." < 1193346493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's stake mean there? < 1193346499 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, oklopol, your bot was worse < 1193346499 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1193346501 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can "stake" an event < 1193346510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: nah < 1193346515 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck yes < 1193346519 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing, really. < 1193346521 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it produced rubbish < 1193346523 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine doesn't < 1193346527 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, mine is a second-order markov chain < 1193346529 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's different. < 1193346532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1193346544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference? < 1193346547 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours maps word=>(next,next...), correct? < 1193346551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1193346554 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1193346565 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second order chains map (word1,word2)=>(next,next...) < 1193346565 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1193346569 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello world abc" would be < 1193346573 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hello,world)=>(abc) < 1193346575 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of: < 1193346580 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hello)=>(world) < 1193346581 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (world)=>(abc) < 1193346595 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it a lot more intelligable, and doesn't increase the parroting much < 1193346604 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, plagiarizing a bit more will produce a bit better text, but that's no real enhancement < 1193346613 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, actually < 1193346615 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing fundamentally better there < 1193346617 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a dramatic improvement < 1193346620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1193346622 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything >2 parrots far too much < 1193346622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1193346628 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything <2 (well, 1) produces garbage < 1193346631 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 2 produces semi-coherent text < 1193346689 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the use of making these chains, anyway? < 1193346699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt a "first-order" chain would produce any less coherent stuff given that input. < 1193346703 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the use of using esoteric languages, Arrogant? :) < 1193346709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrogant: there's no use, ever < 1193346715 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just wondering < 1193346716 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: prove me wrong < 1193346742 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feed the first 499 (NOTE: not all of it) of http://dingo.sbs.arizona.edu/~hammond/ling696f-sp03/browncorpus.txt to your markov chain generator < 1193346748 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure to do it line-by-line not all at once < 1193346753 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, first 499 lines < 1193346755 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then produce some text < 1193346757 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show me it < 1193346766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1193346779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't time your program yesterday, so i'm not gonnado this ;) < 1193346783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gonna do < 1193346786 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did time it ffs < 1193346810 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fine, you're wrong anyway (sheesh, what a childish reason to stop the proving that markov order-2 chains are better) < 1193346814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1193346841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real reason is i don't care < 1193346857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :markov chains are too trivial to be interesting < 1193346863 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rolls eyes < 1193346866 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you suggest instead? < 1193346883 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest we drop the subject :D < 1193346901 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, really, what do you suggest instead of markov chains? < 1193346904 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm interested < 1193346968 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting for someone to invent something that works? < 1193346975 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1193346983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1193346985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're weird < 1193346992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wehird < 1193347001 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"markov chains are too trivial! i won't use them. < 1193347001 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just waiting for someone to invent something TOTALLY AWESOME" < 1193347024 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... what's funny about not thinking markov chains are interesting? < 1193347045 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you call them "trivial" yet state you are waiting for someone to invent something less trivial < 1193347053 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're the least-trivial thing out there, then they're hardly trivial < 1193347075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying if you insist on getting something better, just wait; i've never claimed to be at all interested in making good parrots < 1193347120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why the fuck would i need to think markov chains are interesting just because they're the best we've got? < 1193347142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're trivial, they're not interesting < 1193347158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's nothing interesting you can do with them < 1193347211 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking in the context of making parrots < 1193347220 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say anything about you in particular being interested in them < 1193347262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just said i don't wanna do the test, because i didn't see a reason to do that < 1193347276 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, whatever, i'm going to ask in #lojban < 1193347285 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about my generate-and-filter idea < 1193347879 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so special about markov chains? < 1193347908 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they#re fun < 1193347928 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're neither the most trivial predictive model, nor the most interesting one < 1193347939 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the most trivial then? < 1193347944 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1193347969 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bag of words model is simpler < 1193347971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't think of anything simpler than a markov chain? :P < 1193347985 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, pick random word, repeat < 1193347989 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that? no < 1193347990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random line noise is simpler < 1193348022 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a predictive model, though < 1193348024 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: what's that? < 1193348028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 42 42 42 42 < 1193348032 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: i actually study this at university at the moment < 1193348055 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: the simplest model, given some data, would be to pick the most common word in the data and always produce that < 1193348061 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 42 42 42 42 < 1193348084 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: so... < 1193348087 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it would be even simpler to pick the first word < 1193348090 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello world hello" < 1193348091 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would produce < 1193348094 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello hello hello"? < 1193348097 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1193348102 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, that's... trivial, but uh how shall i put this < 1193348103 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1193348111 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's something trivial that doesn't involve repeating yourself over and over? < 1193348136 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick a random word, preferrably with a probability distribution influenced by what you see in the data. < 1193348167 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :] < 1193348169 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1193348182 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, "hello world hello" -> "hello hello world world hello hello hello hello world hello world world"? < 1193348183 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1193348191 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the next step up in triviality from that < 1193348233 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this is as far as you can get with words being considered independent < 1193348250 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the next step would be to consider them in relationship to one another < 1193348257 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which brings you to markov chains? < 1193348258 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. markov chains < 1193348274 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about one step up in triviality from markov chains (of all orders) < 1193348333 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, is there anything more complex than a markov chain of infinite order? < 1193348349 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1193348350 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would think not, you'd just never get enough data to train it < 1193348356 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joking aside, i mean < 1193348357 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1193348376 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not joking, you can't just combine markov chains of different orders like that :) < 1193348391 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok ok < 1193348396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: you can make it better by also introducing the concept of "topics" < 1193348396 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you pretend markov chains don't exist < 1193348402 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think the next step is just optimizations < 1193348409 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like topics, teaching it the english grammar, etc < 1193348437 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you know it's english and there're topics, which doesn't have to be the case) < 1193348465 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: a markov chain is just a particular kind of a dependence graph < 1193348480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... wonder if it could ever find any meaning for anything given just the irc interface < 1193348486 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_network < 1193348494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, in theory, given a perfect ai < 1193348509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already know that's possible with full world interaction < 1193348518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but irc just has ops, kicks and privmsg's < 1193348519 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: read that article and consider how markov chains tie in :) < 1193348525 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1193348536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nah, i don't feel like it" < 1193348554 0 :ehird`!n=test@user-544158a3.l5.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1193348559 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1193348561 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed the last few messages < 1193348565 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_network < 1193348583 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that article is way too technical and messy and doesn't have enough pictures < 1193348600 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree! < 1193348611 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything else? maybe something that doesn't make my head hurt? :-) < 1193348626 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe even something I could have a go at implementing, heh.) < 1193348646 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure < 1193348665 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly, something that doesn't say "im" ;) < 1193348745 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let's put it this way < 1193348752 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i highly doubt i could implement a bayesian network < 1193348753 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1193348775 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a markov chain is a bayesian network that looks like this < 1193348784 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[w1]->[w2]->[w3]->... < 1193348793 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use a 2nd-order markov chain < 1193348796 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it look like then? < 1193348807 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more importantly what's another example of a bayesian network) < 1193348820 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harder to draw, w1 now has an arrow to w3, etc < 1193348859 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a->b just means "b depends on a" < 1193348861 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so i'm not exactly sure of the implications < 1193348862 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1193348945 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your knowledge of w2 is influenced by the knowledge of w1 < 1193348960 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, since there're no more arrows in the 1st order graph, nothing else < 1193348976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: isn't that just what a 2nd order markov chain is? < 1193348979 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's some kind of a probability distribution with one parameter < 1193348989 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for a 2nd order chain, two parameters < 1193349082 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for an infinite order chain, infinitely many parameters, so you can't really get any more complex < 1193349100 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bayesian network is basically a markov chain < 1193349105 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything really seperate? < 1193349118 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i really suck at explaining this. < 1193349127 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll stop. < 1193349136 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1193349137 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1193349156 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suck at sucking < 1193349168 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, blowjob is a blowjob < 1193349210 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never given a blowjob < 1193349214 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1193349227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python has really killed my brain < 1193349252 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use scheme instead < 1193349274 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: there's always the first tiem < 1193349280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing C is hard when everything that requires manual memory allocation seems too complicated to be a good solution... < 1193349297 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: unless there is no first time < 1193349301 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for simple programs you don't need malloc, oklopol < 1193349307 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just choose some fixed size and make an array of it < 1193349307 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1193349347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't simple < 1193349356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, that's what i'm doing for the first version < 1193349367 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1193349374 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody. has. done. my. sierpinski challenge < 1193349374 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1193349390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, all the time i'm trying to use C++ stuff :P < 1193349395 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i realize i decided not to < 1193349537 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooorgy < 1193349546 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: we need to get this thing going < 1193349552 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is coming right? < 1193349556 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho-kay... < 1193349613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yeah, we need to do something about your bad sucking capabilities, lament's experience will be most helpful < 1193349636 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucking at sucking was merely a guess < 1193349645 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could have natural skill, you never know... < 1193349665 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do watch a lot of, ahem, instructional videos < 1193349727 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm coming? < 1193349734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, but it's actually quite hard getting the ...whatsit open < 1193349744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might puke without training < 1193349749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you try too deep < 1193349751 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: are you? < 1193349758 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at the moment < 1193349761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1193349763 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww < 1193349807 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already have a small orgy planned for the weekend, actually < 1193349812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very small, though < 1193349833 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's disgusting, young man < 1193349862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that small! < 1193349879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the least disgusting number of people < 1193349895 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1193349915 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :five? < 1193349927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, five < 1193349972 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's wankfest, sex, threeway, fourway... orgy < 1193349985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might say there's a least weird one there < 1193350008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, -fest always makes me laugh < 1193350011 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you skipped "sanity", right after "fourway" < 1193350047 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1193350049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whooops, sorry < 1193350060 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have an acm web account? < 1193350062 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wankfest, sex, threeway, fourway, sanity... orgy < 1193350237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be the motto of our orgy < 1193350349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or not) < 1193350362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... 0:12 < 1193350366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate time < 1193350373 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:12 < 1193350377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1193350382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU STEALING MY TIMES? < 1193350419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps i should eat a pizza -> < 1193350431 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm pizza < 1193350437 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my armpits smell good < 1193350512 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1193350568 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is tex in? < 1193350628 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1193350639 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with knuth's literate programming system iirc < 1193351182 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1193351187 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1193351504 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the root of things like text generation < 1193351524 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a function Sim(S) < 1193351537 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"produce something that looks like it could be in set S" < 1193351561 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Sim(S,C) where C(a,b) is a function for ranking (from 0 to 1, say) how similar a and b are < 1193351576 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it'll be very hard to figure out an algorithm for Sim that works pretty well, even more so for C < 1193351692 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless, of course, there's some new development i'm unaware of? < 1193352067 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sim can brute force < 1193352091 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C can use levenshtein distance or something < 1193352116 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sim brute forcing isn't very nice, though < 1193352125 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you're generating nonsense text or the like < 1193352156 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(levenshtein distance wouldn't work very well, because it's the more "mechanical" kind of "simularity" - you wouldn't get "new" text like e.g. markov chains) < 1193352187 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to know how google's translate agorithm works < 1193352193 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard it's automatically trained < 1193352204 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also suggest a translation < 1193352217 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is why a while back "sarkozy sarkozy sarkozy" translated to "Cheney defends Bush") < 1193352223 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or similar) < 1193352251 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and contextual, yes < 1193352268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate? < 1193352300 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone produces an algorithm (without hand-waving) for Sim and C, i would be mightily impressed (that is if it actually worked ;)) < 1193352302 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what < 1193352312 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: that's ai < 1193352324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: exactly < 1193352342 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: google.com/translate_t it's the best machine translation out there basically [it still sucks] < 1193352348 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: of course a perfect Sim and C would be AI < 1193352386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kill cows -> Ich tten Khe < 1193352393 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need no further testing... < 1193352397 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told you it sucks < 1193352400 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is useful < 1193352405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1193352413 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try translating a foreign language article to english, you can make out what they're saying most of the time < 1193352416 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that say? < 1193352431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kills cows... < 1193352440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just wrong... form of the verb < 1193352455 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be tte < 1193352461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1193352477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, oerjan, don't know everything! < 1193352483 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :understandable < 1193352513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that such a simple thing... it's always ich + {verb}e < 1193352518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that's < 1193352528 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's neural-net or similar-based, though < 1193352528 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's statistical, not rule based < 1193352532 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not "simple" < 1193352536 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't just tell it something mechanical < 1193352544 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you teach it over time, like neural nets < 1193352551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do know that. < 1193352573 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame the whole world, for misteaching it < 1193352581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall < 1193352584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU WORLD < 1193352591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/AMSG FUCK YOU ALL < 1193352593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1193352606 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1193352608 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1193352609 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1193352618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err blaming the world < 1193352655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i apologize to anyone not a part of this world! < 1193352662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i'd better do some sleeping - < 1193352665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1193352695 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wimp < 1193352699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1193352701 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only 00:51 < 1193352701 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:< < 1193352711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... i like dreams < 1193352719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've actually been having them again < 1193352728 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like last night, i dremt i was in my friends room < 1193352730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trapped < 1193352741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1193352744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i knew i only hard 50 seconds before it would burst into flames and i'd die < 1193352761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i thought "i'll pee on the floor" < 1193352764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so i did. < 1193352769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, didn't wet my bed ;)) < 1193352782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was so absurd, i lolled my ass off when i woke up < 1193352814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think, you're about to die, and the first thing that pops to mind is "i'll ruin my friends carpet, mwahaha" < 1193352826 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*friend's < 1193352833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that may not have been a good example < 1193352835 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were peeing to stop the burning... < 1193352839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but quality dreams anyway < 1193352840 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1193352852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was gonna be like 5000 degrees < 1193352857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant kill, and i knew that < 1193352873 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1193352882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanted to pee on the floor, because no one could blame me for anything < 1193352907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was also interesting when i actually died, but that's hard to explain really < 1193352945 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want to die with a full bladder < 1193352945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no i feel bad for wanting to sleep < 1193352950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1193352961 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dreams are so naive < 1193352964 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking you could hide flammable liquids in your bladder < 1193352965 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dying just makes them go black < 1193352971 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then piss and start a fire < 1193352985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most people wake up when they die < 1193352995 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did too, but i woke up in another dream < 1193353005 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wake up but only after a second or so of black < 1193353010 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the half-dreams where you fall and then when you hit the ground and jerk irl are cool < 1193353059 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're half asleep, just before really falling asleep < 1193353063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but i've had dreams where i fall from a mountain top, and through concrete, and i can't breath < 1193353070 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1193353082 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hardly ever remember my dreams :( < 1193353088 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my fears is finding myself inside a solid object < 1193353089 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1193353090 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually inside < 1193353093 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a me-sized hole < 1193353099 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually completely immersed in a solid object < 1193353105 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, say, an FPS with noclip on < 1193353113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i had a dream my hand was carved empty, and when i woke up, for a moment i actually hallucinated it really was < 1193353144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost all these great dreams occurred about 2 years ago when i didn't sleep nearly at all < 1193353155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i should start sleeping less again < 1193353155 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, another of my fears is reality's texture mapping fucking up and me suddenly finding myself pasted onto the floor < 1193353157 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would feel weird < 1193353190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, like 2d? < 1193353197 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1193353202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be so cool < 1193353204 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the texture of my body, would be mapped onto the floor instead < 1193353206 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww no < 1193353209 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd like, feel the floor < 1193353214 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you'd be the floor < 1193353217 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1193353220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1193353222 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all objects would morph in size and have textures mapped on < 1193353224 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see up all the girls skirts! < 1193353224 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaargh < 1193353226 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be terrified < 1193353229 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! < 1193353269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i'll really go now, i already slept through one school day this week < 1193353270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1193354465 0 :staplegun!n=staplegu@CPE-121-218-206-107.nsw.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1193354536 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1193354557 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone want to write that sierpinski program challenge? < 1193354558 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1193354882 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who speaks norweigian? < 1193354888 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't! < 1193354930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan. < 1193354961 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither does google translate < 1193354978 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait for Oerjan to return. . . < 1193354988 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then our Norwegian friend can help you. ;) < 1193354996 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1193355006 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.itavisen.no/sak/493810/-___Norge_f%E5r_OiNK-__sak/ < 1193355008 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1193355032 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try fabelbish? < 1193355268 0 :staplegun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howzit