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01:01:35 <ihope_> Abc = Print "A B C! 1 2 3! A B C! 1 2 6"
01:04:02 <Tritonio> faxathisia, where are you from?
01:04:23 <Tritonio> oh and hi everybody!
01:04:27 <Sgeo> Hi Tritonio
01:06:09 <Tritonio> my head is spinning
01:07:16 <Tritonio> i really need some sleep... so goodnight everyone.
01:08:37 <ihope_> 'Night.
01:08:59 <ihope_> Tufleiz!
01:10:18 <ihope_> Or maybe "tufueo" would be a better word.
01:11:26 <Tritonio> tufleiz? what that?
01:17:38 <ihope_> A couple words for "bye".
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03:31:06 <faxathisia> Tritonio: hi
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04:48:29 <faxathisia> hm
04:48:35 <faxathisia> I wonder if this counts as esoteric
04:48:54 <faxathisia> time-reversible language Janus http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~mpf/rc/janus.html
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12:20:45 <Tritonio> faxathisia, is it that super-turing-complete language that can print the time needed by a program to execute even before it's execution?
12:20:58 <faxathisia> no
12:21:06 <faxathisia> It's not very special
12:21:16 <faxathisia> You can run anything forwards and backwards in it, and there's a self interpreter
12:22:28 <Tritonio> it just changes the direction of the execution?
12:23:23 <faxathisia> yeah, example is setting n to 4 then calling fibonacci ends up with x = 5, y = 8
12:23:40 <faxathisia> setting x to 5, y to 8, then uncalling fib ends up with n = 4
12:25:01 <faxathisia> http://rafb.net/p/afuYxJ36.txt
12:25:33 <faxathisia> (It's reversible since every operation is invertible)
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15:11:28 <bsmntbombdood> faxathisia: turing complete?
15:11:43 <ehird`> FINITE STATE MACHINE
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15:20:29 <ehird`> god i'm stupid
15:20:36 <ehird`> i'm writing a brute-force tic-tac-toe algo for the hell of it
15:20:43 <ehird`> and i was calling make_move from within my bruteforcer
15:20:48 <ehird`> which calls brute_force to decide a move...
15:21:05 <ehird`> wait
15:21:06 <ehird`> that can work
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16:07:59 <ehird`> WHAT THE HELL
16:08:11 <ehird`> copy_game(ng) is changing ml2?
16:08:12 <ehird`> how the hell
16:50:20 <ehird`> oklopol: ihope: megaping #zingcode
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17:09:56 <ehird`> oklopol: ping
17:09:59 <ehird`> ihope: ping
17:32:17 <ehird`> oklopol: okloping
17:32:19 <ehird`> ihope: iping
17:36:32 <ehird`> sheesh
17:50:17 <Tritonio> ehird`, what do you mean brute force tic tac toe?
17:50:27 <Tritonio> recursivelly searching the whole game tree?
17:50:34 <ehird`> Tritonio: try every possible move+response from the current one, select the best one
17:50:58 <ehird`> it kinda fails if you make the board bigger than 3x3 because of certain time complexity issues ;)
17:51:00 <Tritonio> http://inshame.blogspot.com/search/label/My%20Progs%3A%20A%28X%29I%28O%29
17:51:19 <ehird`> that site makes my eyes bleed
17:51:29 <Tritonio> ??
17:51:38 <ehird`> background+text colour+etc
17:51:56 <Tritonio> i thought it was ok... :-|
18:29:07 <oklopol> !!
18:29:10 <EgoBot> Huh?
18:42:58 <Tritonio> ?
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19:49:21 <bsmntbombdood> ehird`: what is the time complexity of that algorithm?
19:49:37 <ehird`> bsmntbombdood: O(Fucking Slow)
19:51:05 <oklopol> np
19:51:11 <GregorR> Hahahah
19:51:19 <ehird`> GregorR: it's extended O notation
19:51:42 <Slereah-> Oh you.
19:51:47 <ehird`> it adds three new definitions: O(Pretty Damn Fast), O(Faster than NOP) and O(Fucking Slow)
19:51:50 <GregorR> Sort of a qualitative big O :P
19:52:06 <ehird`> i don't think you can solve much with a O(Faster than NOP) algorithm, though
19:52:24 <oklopol> O(DONE!)
19:52:40 <ehird`> O(Quantum algorithm that finishes before you run it)
19:53:44 <Slereah-> Let's send the electric signal FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT
19:53:51 <ehird`> Slereah-: With SCIENCE!
19:53:57 <Slereah-> SCIENCE!
19:54:09 <ehird`> Ooh, I just downloaded the 5th next version of the Linux kernel.
19:54:18 <ehird`> It's compressed to 1 byte, in the future.
19:54:35 <Slereah-> So, what number is that byte!
19:54:44 <Slereah-> Tell me, so that I can say I invented it!
19:54:46 <ehird`> I'm having some problems getting the uncompressor downloaded though.
19:55:06 <ehird`> Slereah-: Sorry - if I told you a quantum paradox would appear and you would disappear from all possible universes according to string theory.
19:56:20 <Slereah-> Nonsense.
19:56:25 <Slereah-> Don't you remember Star Trek 4?
19:56:33 <Slereah-> With the transparent aluminium.
19:56:36 <ehird`> In the future Star Trek is old fashioned!
19:56:41 <Slereah-> "Won't that change the future?"
19:56:47 <Slereah-> "Maybe he invented it!"
19:56:49 <Slereah-> "Ah!"
19:57:58 <ehird`> OKAY, KUBUNTU INSTALL TIME. SEE YOU SOON. :p
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20:04:58 <bsmntbombdood> Downloaded: 87,976,782 bytes in 2832 files
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20:24:06 <ehird`> ELHO, DROWLD
20:24:30 <ehird`> : SAY-HELLO ." HELLO WORLD" ; SAY-HELLO
20:25:27 <Slereah-> Welcome back, world.
20:26:24 <ehird`> : WELCOME-BACK ." Welcome back, " USERNAME . ." ." ; WORLD @ WELCOME-BACK
20:26:40 <Slereah-> Heh.
20:27:00 <ehird`> Forth :)
20:31:03 <ehird`> Entity = :[ name, init = (sname as string){ name = sname; }, greet = { println("Hello, " + name + "!"); } ]; world = new(Entity, "world"); world.greet()
20:31:08 <ehird`> ^ Plof, I think that's right
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20:58:04 <GregorR> On Wednesday, I got an email that used quotes for emphasis (You "CAN NOT" do blah blah blah). I couldn't help but send an email back pointing out that that's not only an incorrect use of quotes, but that the implication of quotes there is exactly the opposite of what he wants. I got one of these back: "In my 10+ years experience blah blah blah blah"
20:58:34 <ehird`> That's nice
20:58:34 <ehird`> :P
20:58:43 <ehird`> Now why is Kopete crashing when I connect to MSN???
20:58:59 <GregorR> Because MSN is the suck?
20:59:03 <bsmntbombdood> i don't understand why people use quotes for emphasis
20:59:14 <GregorR> Because they're stupid?
20:59:31 <ehird`> GregorR: I know it's the suck
20:59:35 <ehird`> But most people I know use it
21:01:33 <ihope> People should subscribe to prescriptive English manuals and make note of which ones they are whenever they say anything.
21:02:16 <ihope> Also, pong.
21:03:09 <bsmntbombdood> Dad, have you ever thought bout the fact that when men gather in a sauna, they sit in a lot of sweat from other men's buttocks, testicles, and anus? Is it some kind of experiment with homosexuality that heteros secretly allow themselves, because they're all basically confused about their sexuality?
21:04:27 <ihope> Heteros are all basically confused about their sexuality? I'm definitely hetero, then. I mean, hi.
21:05:04 <bsmntbombdood> i'm not confused!
21:05:49 <ihope> So is everybody either "confused heterosexual" or "definite homosexual", or...
21:05:51 <bsmntbombdood> jeez i bring up sex in here a lot >_<
21:06:12 <bsmntbombdood> ihope: no...
21:09:46 <oklopol> #esoteric-sex
21:09:57 <bsmntbombdood> esoteric sex!
21:09:59 <bsmntbombdood> i like it
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21:34:58 <dbc> It bothers me when people use "may have" in place of "might have" to describe something that is known not to have happened.
21:35:58 <ehird`> This channel is esoteric about its topic being esoteric programming languages.
21:35:59 <ehird`> ;)
21:36:20 <dbc> "Groundhog Day": "If you hadn't been here, Bill would have choked to death for sure!" "Well, he may have, he was trying to swallow a whole cow."=
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21:50:43 <bsmntbombdood> my epenis itches
21:50:47 <bsmntbombdood> i might have eherpes
21:51:29 <Slereah> That's what happen when you have too much cybersex.
21:54:03 <bsmntbombdood> i'm going to change my pants
21:55:46 <ehird`> *epants
21:58:16 <bsmntbombdood> no, i'm chaning my real pants
22:06:55 <faxathisia> bsmntbombdood: I don't know whether it is or not, I'll try to prove it once the interpreter is finished
22:07:18 <faxathisia> I'm quite sure it is.. since everything is bloody universal
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22:11:16 <bsmntbombdood> i guess turing machine steps are reversible
22:11:21 <bsmntbombdood> so it could be turing complete
22:11:42 <bsmntbombdood> wait
22:11:43 <bsmntbombdood> are they?
22:11:48 <ehird`> no
22:11:49 <faxathisia> well
22:11:54 <faxathisia> it says that reversible turing machines exist
22:12:32 <faxathisia> turing machines are revisible if their transition functions are bijective
22:16:07 <bsmntbombdood> of course
22:16:16 <bsmntbombdood> most aren't
22:20:27 <bsmntbombdood> http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_search/physician/profiles/dr-md-reports/Dr-Alden-Cockburn-MD-D45E5C3F.cfm
22:20:37 <bsmntbombdood> http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_search/physician/profiles/dr-md-reports/Dr-Harry-Beaver-MD-FD3B8B34.cfm
22:20:45 <GregorR> The common definition of a Turing machine is irreversible, but irreversibility is not a requirement for Turing completeness.
22:22:54 <faxathisia> I can prove it's turing complete by writing brainfuck in it, + - < > invert into - + > <.. And I can simply store a choice point (duplicate the store) at each [
22:30:01 <bsmntbombdood> i don't understand the [ part
22:33:32 <ihope> Take note of whether the loop was entered or not?
22:33:46 <ihope> That's enough to reverse a BF program, no?
22:36:01 <oklopol> i think you need to know how many times the loop was loopzored
22:37:38 <bsmntbombdood> guh
22:37:42 <bsmntbombdood> wtf is the point of ties?
22:38:12 <oklopol> what's the point of clothes
22:38:18 <bsmntbombdood> yeah really
22:38:48 <ihope> oklopol: same thing, isn't it?
22:39:23 <oklopol> ihope: whut?
22:41:21 <GregorR> Am I insane for thinking a JavaScript MMIX simulator would be nice?
22:41:39 <ehird`> No
22:41:41 <ehird`> Do it now
22:41:48 <ehird`> Wait...
22:41:50 <ehird`> It WAS done
22:41:54 <GregorR> ?!
22:41:55 <ehird`> there was a link on reddit a while back
22:42:02 <ehird`> Let me find it.
22:42:45 <GregorR> Hypothetically, one could C->JS with this >:)
22:43:05 <ehird`> Wait, no.
22:43:08 <ehird`> It wasn't done. Sorry.
22:43:14 <ehird`> There was SOME sort of well-known arch done, though
22:43:33 <GregorR> x86? :P
22:44:13 <ehird`> hahhaa
22:44:13 <ehird`> no :P
22:44:16 <ehird`> it was a RISC
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23:03:01 <ehird`> GregorR: what can gcc output, instruction set-wise?
23:03:04 <ehird`> err, rather, as
23:05:17 <GregorR> Uh, lots of things :P
23:05:20 <GregorR> But amongst them is MMIX.
23:08:20 <ehird`> lots of things :P is there a list somewhere?
23:08:24 <ehird`> (Can it do OISC? ;))
23:09:17 <ehird`> GregorR: http://www.recreationalmath.com/mixal/ MIX, but not MMIX
23:09:36 <GregorR> Unfortunately, GCC doesn't target MIX, only MMIX :(
23:09:44 <GregorR> There's a list at gcc.gnu.org . The link on the right that says "back ends"
23:11:26 <faxathisia> bsmntbombdood: I can't do anything which removes information
23:11:32 <faxathisia> or the program will runtime error
23:11:42 <faxathisia> so if you have the current cell = 3, and you hit [-]
23:11:59 <faxathisia> There must be a way, when running backwards to know when to exit the loop on the left
23:12:17 <faxathisia> I'll actually code this soon, it probably make more sense than my rambling
23:15:05 <ehird`> GregorR: How hard is it to write a backend? :P
23:15:30 <oklopol> ihope: if by "same thing" you meant "Take note of whether the loop was entered or not?" == "you need to know how many times the loop was loopzored", i don't see what you mean
23:15:53 <GregorR> ehird`: I've never tried, I'm a pansy like that. Suffice to say that I determined you can't write one for BF :P
23:16:09 <GregorR> (It won't work on platforms with no registers)
23:16:23 <GregorR> A MISC/OISC one would probably be feasible.
23:16:39 <GregorR> (No registers, but you can always just claim a specific chunk of memory as registers)
23:18:01 <ihope> Ah--I meant to take note at every opportunity.
23:19:47 <ehird`> GregorR: Feasable, but would it be EASY to get something working? :P
23:19:59 <GregorR> No. Not even the slightest bit.
23:20:12 <ehird`> heh