< 1197763264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, pygame is a wrapper over sdl
< 1197763271 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1197763275 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pygame is basically an sdl binding
< 1197763286 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it changes the names of stuff and adds a few extra bits. little more
< 1197763315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== wrapper
< 1197763353 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1197763356 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrapper is thicker
< 1197763361 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1197763363 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrapper adds sugar to everything and hides the icky internals
< 1197763368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm no philosopher
< 1197763576 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pygame is just so low level
< 1197763605 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it now?
< 1197763677 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making games would be so easy if there was a fucking set_pixel built-in...
< 1197763692 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but noooo
< 1197763871 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want that? xD
< 1197763932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i could draw my pixelz!
< 1197763985 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have a set pixel anyway
< 1197764046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that's all it should have
< 1197764068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since... well, let's face it, it's confusing if there are multiple functions
< 1197764069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1197764082 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep it clean and simple, i say!
< 1197764118 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def set_pixel(x,y,r,g,b):*(0x80B0F88+(x&y*1024))[3] = r&1|b&2|g&3
< 1197764124 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that probably works on some obscure, ancient machine
< 1197764139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it
< 1197764147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r&1 b&2 g&3 ? :O
< 1197764157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that some ancient hindu magic?
< 1197764197 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some random pointer arithmetic crap i pulled out of my ass
< 1197764230 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rgb=0,0,0 makes that 0, rgb=255,255,255 makes that 3
< 1197764245 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else, makes it 3
< 1197764252 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1197764254 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most everything else.
< 1197764357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: r&1 b&2 g&3 ? :0 // does not parse. ;p
< 1197764391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1197764396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r&1 b&2 g&3 ? 0 : O
< 1197764402 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh...
< 1197764409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r&1|b&2|g&3 ? :O
< 1197764411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1197764415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, fuck
< 1197764419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r&1|b&2|g&3?0:O
< 1197764573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In GNU C, your second one was valid.
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< 1197764666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1197764669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 1 b?
< 1197764698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean my 3rd one
< 1197764708 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with ?:
< 1197764724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarrrrrrr
< 1197764735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it zero then?
< 1197764738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo ?: bar; returns foo if foo is nonzero, bar otherwise.
< 1197764744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1197764808 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so... did you try my game? :O
< 1197764810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1197764811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1197764831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need someone to test it goddammit :P
< 1197764865 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1197764882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to obtain comments on my Agoran-Style Initial Ruleset for Nomic.
< 1197764903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, if i comment randomly, will you take a 2 second glance at my game?
< 1197764913 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that'd do neither of us any good
< 1197764932 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO
< 1197764974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1197764979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should sleep a bit
< 1197764996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually a nice game for testing fatigue
< 1197765023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i counted 10 objects a second a while ago, now more like 5 :D
< 1197765106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how fast the super-autistics would do that
< 1197765112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the super hero ones
< 1197765124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION , as an autistic, shall tell you
< 1197765140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe :P
< 1197765145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows teh buttons!
< 1197765166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as soon as my internet connection decides to comply.
< 1197765182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in python, and needs pygame
< 1197765190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as soon as I emerge pygame.
< 1197765195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I had that still. . .
< 1197765207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Thought/Thought/
< 1197765246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :395 is my current record, although i'm not sure if the point system makes sense if you play till the higher object amounts
< 1197765430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting game.
< 1197765439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1197765450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got 65, but I only played for a few seconds or so.
< 1197765476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not supposed to estimate, you get nothing even if you have 1 wrong in the amount
< 1197765482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1197765484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just count 'em
< 1197765484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed.
< 1197765487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarr
< 1197765510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives you more balls if you do good
< 1197765514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and less if you do bad
< 1197765522 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/817990
< 1197765528 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it up to 15. . .
< 1197765536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time down there doesn't really do anything, it's mainly for making it look interactive :D
< 1197765539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1197765540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the bar
< 1197765553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if it goes to zero, you fail
< 1197765560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, the next time it'll be slower
< 1197765567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you can just ignore it.
< 1197765595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do up to 50 quite easily
< 1197765606 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i want
< 1197765612 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want emafox
< 1197765615 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox, running in emacs
< 1197765620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, babe, i know what you want
< 1197765631 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with every single action using as much emacs as possible
< 1197765671 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION introduces you to the Conkeror plugin for Firefox
< 1197765676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conkeror.mozdev.org/
< 1197765712 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1197765715 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not actually emacs
< 1197765724 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, all my lovely .emacs tweaks are not listened to
< 1197765730 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and various advanced emacs commands aren't there
< 1197765741 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a firefox, running inside emacs, binding to emacs for basically 100% of everything
< 1197765830 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nough.
< 1197765851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did you stop playing already?
< 1197765859 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it also means you'd be able to do greasemonkey-type stuff with elisp
< 1197765874 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try counting in groups of 5, in case you aren't yet bored with it
< 1197765875 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, elisp is shit, but you can bind languages to it
< 1197765892 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, cpscm's author is working on an elisp backend
< 1197765898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure it's possible to do over 20/s
< 1197765898 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> programming Emacs in scheme
< 1197765947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll prolly add a feature that scrolls the points over the screen, since it gets ugly when the points are too close to each other
< 1197765955 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<script type="text/x-emacs-lisp">? :-)
< 1197765993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yeah.
< 1197766028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: The idea for Elisp was, after all, just to "get a Lisp running in as little code as possible".
< 1197766032 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1197766041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stopped playing, are counting in groups of 5, or scrolling makes less ugly?
< 1197766050 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it's the first one, just trying to be optimistic
< 1197766063 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: my scheme interpreter is about 100 lines in Python and I avoid all the garbage collection etc. so the C code would be about twice that
< 1197766073 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think elisp has always been bigger than 200 lines. :-)
< 1197766095 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always wanted to try writing an emacs in a non-lisp
< 1197766100 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, pymacs
< 1197766105 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1197766190 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, my emacs is so colourful and customized and has its own window size that i keep forgetting it's a terminal :-)
< 1197766297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs in a non-Lisp has been done.
< 1197766311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including, say, the first such implementation.
< 1197766313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yeah.
< 1197766375 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Of course.
< 1197766380 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I mean with emacs-level extensibility.
< 1197766407 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's been done, and I knew the first metric fucktons of emacs weren't :) Heck, i've even toyed around with my own (but it's not usable as of yet)
< 1197766412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TECO Emacs.
< 1197766420 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one.
< 1197766422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1197766434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(granted, you'd be *insane* to extend it, but you sure could do so)
< 1197766444 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think calling TECO an editor is stretching that definition, even moreso than calling Emacs one
< 1197766458 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call TECO a write-once language.
< 1197766463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1197766465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write-only.
< 1197766473 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people call perl that.
< 1197766478 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck -- many people call C that
< 1197766484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is the more infamous example of that.
< 1197766494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C can be used as one, but isn't necessarily one.
< 1197766496 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is stupid, because you can write bad code in any language.
< 1197766502 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is no more than C in that respect
< 1197766507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TECO *is* write-only.
< 1197766512 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just more quick-hackers use Perl, than C
< 1197766580 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, when my emacs-alike minimal-as-heck editor (written in C) gets usable i'm going to cold-turkey switch to it to force me to improve it :-)
< 1197766600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0uz<j 0aua l <0aub qa-qb"g xa k -l ga -1uz ' qbua l .-z;> qz;>"
< 1197766628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not merely valid TECO, that's a piece of *example code* from the TECO *manual*.
< 1197766665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the whitespace is not syntactically significant)
< 1197766669 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know about teco.
< 1197766682 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how linus deals with microemacs
< 1197766692 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't even have autoindentation beyond copy-last-line, poor sap
< 1197766856 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i have the source to a suprisingly complete emacs-alike in 100% readable C, just 2197 lines of code including whitespace etc
< 1197766868 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses curses
< 1197766886 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the guy who wrote it actually uses a (slightly updated) version of it for all his programming stuff
< 1197767008 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i can get away with plugging in highlight_text, get_indent_for_line, and a way to make some text trigger a function
< 1197767054 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do want unicode, though
< 1197767215 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it'll end up being huge ;)
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< 1197785653 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnest game EVAR!
< 1197785655 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikington_Crescent
< 1197785671 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the funniest.
< 1197785683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name of the game is Mao; play will continue to my left.
< 1197785711 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1197785722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking. Asking questions about the rules.
< 1197785727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands bsmntbombdood two cards
< 1197785734 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failure to play.
< 1197785738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands bsmntbombdood a card
< 1197785749 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too surreal for me
< 1197785755 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not surreal.
< 1197785763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just don't know the rules.
< 1197785784 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, the only rule I can tell you is this one.
< 1197785850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plays the queen of spades
< 1197785861 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeebus this game is complicated
< 1197785911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game?
< 1197785926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know Mao either
< 1197785947 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would appear it can't be played over irc without a deckbot too
< 1197785966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the obvious fact that its rules are secret.  oh, and the end, i think.
< 1197786013 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Failure to declare the spade.
< 1197786017 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands oerjan a card
< 1197786024 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playing out of turn.
< 1197786028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands oerjan a card.
< 1197786070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plays the Jack of Spades
< 1197786076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jack of Spades, Jack of Spades, Mao.
< 1197786126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The worst part about Mao?
< 1197786134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1197786139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got a modifiable ruleset.
< 1197786164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls rumors
< 1197786168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly, an evil game.
< 1197786175 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds a rule that require all the rules to be disclosed
< 1197786181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, could you give me comments on this:
< 1197786183 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/817990
< 1197786183 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1197786189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't this cause chaos if there is more than one who knows the game?
< 1197786193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: You certaintly can do that, after the first round.
< 1197786197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not necessarily.
< 1197786203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rule-changing is rule-defined.
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< 1197786800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, eleven steps to get to Mornington Crescent.  Clearly there is room for improvement...
< 1197786838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tube station
< 1197786848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Certaintly.
< 1197786865 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got 5 my first try
< 1197786865 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, we define any move *towards* Mornington Crescent as illegal.
< 1197786867 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1197786880 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skolem–Noether theorem, German language, European Union, London, London Underground, Mornington Crescent tube station
< 1197787005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ERROR: problem misinterpreted :D
< 1197787085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw disambiguation pages are disallowed, how do you avoid them? (the random article _was_ one such, so i just ignored it)
< 1197787178 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why disambigs are dissallowed
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< 1197806649 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-71.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197807306 0 :lucas-!n=lucas@ip20-185-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197807374 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1197807384 0 :jix!n=jix@host-091-096-145-049.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197810374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"for the need to encumber"
< 1197810736 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197812265 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1197812275 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197812918 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1197813430 0 :RedDak!n=dak@87.6.87.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197814036 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1197814087 0 :RedDak!n=dak@87.6.87.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197814565 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1197814573 0 :jix!n=jix@host-091-096-145-049.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197818655 0 :ihope_!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197818700 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION "creates" a language called Mandelbrot
< 1197818729 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should find a spiffy name for mine;
< 1197818736 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Turing machine" is so unimaginative.
< 1197818920 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1197818996 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ULTRA SUPER machine
< 1197819002 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1197819015 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to thank me
< 1197819023 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I won't!
< 1197819038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::OOOO
< 1197819067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish i didn't have any hobbies, i wanna code up some wicked 2d games
< 1197819083 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ULTRA SUPER GAME?
< 1197819087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1197819100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking a one button game again
< 1197819106 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where ninjas battle zombies in a post-apocalyptic radioactive wasteland
< 1197819117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity on/off
< 1197819130 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the goal?
< 1197819130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need to get your ball from point A to point B
< 1197819145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the level is full of triangles you can bounce off of
< 1197819196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was one of the ideas i came up with when practising me and my mother's marionette show
< 1197819201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1197819242 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, one-button games.
< 1197819268 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PRESS THE BUTTON, WIN ONE POINT"
< 1197819298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either of you tried my other one-button game?
< 1197819306 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1197819322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess it'd not really a one-button game, since you can't play it a lone
< 1197819327 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one button per player
< 1197819337 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.vjn.fi/gz guess i'll link
< 1197819363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's onokki
< 1197819417 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't play it alone? Blasphemy!
< 1197819419 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't open it.
< 1197819434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.vjn.fi/dep i guess you need these, and windows
< 1197819452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: you can, but us mortals can't
< 1197819471 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1197819486 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1197819487 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197819504 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's two click buttons, you just need to create mouse events some other way.
< 1197819527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1197819582 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soooo... If it's one button, what button is it?
< 1197819591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1197819597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think return, and "1"
< 1197819607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many balls are there?
< 1197819623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you press the button, the ball's smaller balls should start going astray
< 1197819664 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a little trippy.
< 1197819679 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lose if you lose all your small balls
< 1197819693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, if you hit the other player's balls until you run out of hp
< 1197819698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hp can be seen from your color
< 1197819711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small balls can be caught by hitting the white balls
< 1197819721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the grey ones give you hp
< 1197819729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trippy? how come :P
< 1197819731 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were those words for "push" and "lift" starting with T and N?
< 1197819738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :työntö nosto
< 1197819794 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The background.
< 1197819812 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that until I heard the rules, I had no idea of what was going on
< 1197819831 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SPACEBALLS"
< 1197819862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i don't think anyone has yet been able to decrypt how to move the balls.
< 1197819869 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, holy cow. :-)
< 1197819873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... you're welcome to try to be the first one
< 1197819890 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I know that pushing the button makes the small balls drift away.
< 1197819893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... did oerjan succeed
< 1197819897 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...as you said.
< 1197819902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1197819920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can move to any point of the screen in like 3 seconds
< 1197819927 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool.
< 1197819940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are actually 2 ways to move around.
< 1197820122 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it looks like with the button pressed, you follow your small balls.
< 1197820128 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197820140 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not pressed, it's obviously completely random. :-P
< 1197820150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1197820151 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost
< 1197820153 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to do with repulsion, I think, maybe, though maybe not.
< 1197820161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want a hint?
< 1197820180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have half of it correct
< 1197820213 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1197820220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1197820224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as Slereah put it
< 1197820229 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The background.
< 1197820235 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh!
< 1197820287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the gravity is a bit special too
< 1197820395 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't have much idea.
< 1197820399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1197820412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, you have two states
< 1197820421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual pressing of the button doesn't do anything
< 1197820432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's whether you're in state "pressed" or "not pressed"
< 1197820440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the states have different gravities.,
< 1197820451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough?
< 1197820477 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1197820482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you tried that, try rzff.zip too, if you have pygame :P
< 1197820491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one plays it :'(
< 1197820551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gravities are applied separately to both axes, which is why they move weirdly
< 1197820573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the background figure is followed separately on each axes of velocity
< 1197820598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was easier to implement ofc, i sucked back then, so i did it that way first
< 1197820609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found out using regular gravity doesn't allow much movement :O
< 1197820615 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not "not pressed, they're attracted to the circle and repel each other, pressed, they're attracted to their small balls"?
< 1197820616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i converted laster
< 1197820618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*later
< 1197820627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, almost
< 1197820633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except no one repels anyone.
< 1197820646 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1197820663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just what happens when you let them go, they move away from you...
< 1197820684 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come green can get kind of stuck in a corner, then?
< 1197820692 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1197820703 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :background is white there
< 1197820705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should.
< 1197820730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the small balls are following the big one, the big one somewhat follows the background
< 1197820741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, how fast do you become immortal?
< 1197820758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i did a minute average playing alone
< 1197820763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or less
< 1197820764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1197820782 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Immortal is black with all your small ones flashing crazily?
< 1197820786 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya
< 1197820797 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I became immortal within a few minutes of not playing. :-P
< 1197820806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1197820825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you need to be pretty good to be better than a non playing ball :)
< 1197820847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, i need to go now, try rzff ;)
< 1197820849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :----------->
< 1197821366 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, rzff is insane :-P
< 1197821796 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1197821992 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is being disgust?
< 1197821998 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* discussed
< 1197822098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION coughs up a hairball
< 1197822130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's games, apparently
< 1197822170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches as the hairball crawls away
< 1197822771 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, not more furries
< 1197822959 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furries, eh?
< 1197823126 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm in the final stages of writing another kilgame server.
< 1197823155 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written three lines so far.
< 1197823175 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1197823208 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were some people in fursuits collecting for the RSPCA
< 1197823217 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the R?
< 1197823225 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Royal
< 1197823258 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is Kilgame?
< 1197823261 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some Japanese thing?
< 1197823273 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament wrote the original one, I think.
< 1197823316 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it?
< 1197823355 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A multiplayer game where people can shoot each other and try to survive, I guess?
< 1197823386 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it has seven lines, but three of them are blank.
< 1197823445 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1197823452 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197823637 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now only two are blank; one of them now contains a shebang.
< 1197823658 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1197823663 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice progress
< 1197823678 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use the For-case pattern
< 1197823764 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is where you have a structure like: for(i=0;i<n;i++){switch(i){case 0:...;break;case 1;...;break; ... case n-1:...;break}}
< 1197823768 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1197823809 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that both increases my line count and lets me use computed gotos! :-)
< 1197823830 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as found on The Daily WTF (formerly Worse That Failure (formerly The Daily WTF))
< 1197823889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm they need to change the name to a weird Unicode symbol :)
< 1197823987 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders what would be a not-that-ugly way to get a single line from a socket
< 1197824170 0 :Tritonio_!n=Tritonio@85.72.251.238 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197824270 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I declare a completely elegant solution impossible.
< 1197825252 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(int *p;;*(p++)=0);
< 1197825352 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zeros everything starting from an undefined point until it crashes?
< 1197825376 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :D
< 1197825381 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun.
< 1197825407 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not have it randomize the cells instead, starting from the location of the function? :-)
< 1197825425 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1197825476 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(int *p;;*(++p)=(p-1));
< 1197825482 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int copier :D
< 1197825494 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give it a pointer to an array of ints
< 1197825518 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1197825526 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot a *
< 1197825732 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I think this means I need a busy loop...
< 1197828582 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host172-87-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197829970 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197830614 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1197830677 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197831160 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1197832100 0 :Slereah_!n=Test4@82.126.80.61 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197833145 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1197833320 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1197833581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(1){fork();malloc(sizeof(char));}
< 1197833647 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasty! :)
< 1197833663 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the forked child escape the loop or continue it aswell?
< 1197833691 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lol, of course it stays there :D
< 1197833947 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, hell. while(1){fork();malloc(SSIZE_MAX);}
< 1197833972 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1197834037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... but will the malloc actually _be_ allocated if it is never used?
< 1197834077 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be
< 1197834100 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :function can't even know if its return value is saved anywhere
< 1197834146 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean - may it not be that it is not actually allocated until something tries to page it in?
< 1197834167 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allocate a malloc? what?
< 1197834181 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. well, i'm not sure
< 1197834207 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine that all except a tiny portion might be so virtual it doesn't actually use any significant resources...
< 1197834218 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let's do for(;;) { int *shit; fork(); shit = malloc(100000); *shit = 1234; } to be sure ;)
< 1197834228 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. Do a calloc.
< 1197834229 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1197834343 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the amount of processes for user isn't restricted, just for(;;)fork(); will be enough to make the system quite unusable quickly :P
< 1197834412 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :D
< 1197834420 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. fork can fail, imo
< 1197834433 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is a restriction
< 1197834437 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some memory stuff
< 1197834469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By default, Linux follows an  optimistic  memory  allocation  strategy.  This  means  that  when malloc() returns non-NULL there is no guarantee that the memory really is available. This is a really bad bug.
< 1197834489 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, how is that possible
< 1197834491 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice bug
< 1197834501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, basically, that breaks all code.
< 1197834504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way to go, Linux.
< 1197834506 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1197834509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i was recalling
< 1197834516 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent had any trouble with mallocs though >_<
< 1197834526 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any programs
< 1197834565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i also assume this means that if programs allocate more than they actually use, linux will deal with _that_ well
< 1197834621 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not
< 1197834622 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once tried doing a while(1){new int;}
< 1197834625 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program ran
< 1197834629 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :few minutes actually
< 1197834636 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, it just shut down
< 1197834642 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the system became normal
< 1197834646 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the kernel kicked in
< 1197834651 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it know if the program wants to use that unused but allocated space later..
< 1197834676 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its magic
< 1197834705 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe linux just doesn't do anything special with programs allocating more than they use :)
< 1197834729 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it can't really know how much they will use
< 1197834735 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1197834748 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could examine the source
< 1197834759 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(;P to windows users)
< 1197834806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess (i may have seen something on it) is linux only allocates the address range, and leaves to the vm to find real memory if it's actually used
< 1197834847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain that bug...
< 1197835369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tejeez: you don't know who i am, but i've known you so long i've got to say hi
< 1197835418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: you actually tried rzff? what did you score?
< 1197835476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've gotten 590 or something
< 1197835517 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1197835650 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you mean it has an end?
< 1197835664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1197835669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is a score
< 1197835673 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1197835680 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's it calculated?
< 1197835698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just amount of balls**2 / time taken to count
< 1197835719 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By the way, I called the folder rzff and onokki are in "okies".)
< 1197835724 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, simple enough.
< 1197835768 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming you own me at this
< 1197835769 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you count three in a second, a score of 590 would be... many?
< 1197835774 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1197835776 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try.
< 1197835780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i count over 10 a second at max
< 1197835830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1197835839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :counting in groups of 5 or more is the trick
< 1197835847 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that big number it shows the score?
< 1197835865 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that's in the lower right corner
< 1197835870 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1197835872 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that number?
< 1197835881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct (amount/time taken)
< 1197835888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed (your guess/right one)
< 1197836003 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't go very long before... I get too excited?
< 1197836020 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did about 10 or 20 and now I'm a little shaky.
< 1197836542 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hi.. well, you know me from? who are you? :P
< 1197836551 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+where
< 1197836554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :592
< 1197836571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen some of your projects, i think :O
< 1197836575 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1197836579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you do something with an oscillator once?=
< 1197836596 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i made the youscope demo to asm'07
< 1197836635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i think i saw that, and i've seen you around the net a lot.
< 1197836651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a familiar name it seems as if i knew you :D
< 1197836707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized, btw, that you can actually quite easily get any amount of points in that with a bit of patience
< 1197836734 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what? oscilloscope?
< 1197836741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1197836743 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, rzff :)
< 1197836750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.vjn.fi/gz/rzff.zip
< 1197836769 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok :P
< 1197836774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, then again, you can just say you got 1000 pts, and no one can know whether you're lying
< 1197836778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so guess it doesn't matter.
< 1197836799 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after 60 balls, i start failing a lot :<
< 1197836813 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you was still talking to me and wondered what points were you talking about :D
< 1197836820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD
< 1197836822 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-D
< 1197836869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, exam in 9 hours, the question is, should i get some coke and code all night.
< 1197837272 0 :lucas-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exam is it?
< 1197837298 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends what you mean by "coke".
< 1197837356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :659 :P
< 1197837362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital circuits
< 1197837368 0 :lucas-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't tried coding on drugs yet
< 1197837369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karnaugh maps
< 1197837376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boolea shite
< 1197837379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n
< 1197837379 0 :lucas-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not amphetamines or coke anyway
< 1197837431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, lots of new ppl here :o
< 1197837441 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need that code in the exam, you should. otherwise go to sleep now
< 1197837475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking i'd code a nice one button game
< 1197837496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main character is a red ball
< 1197837499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think how great
< 1197837509 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : What are his motives?
< 1197837516 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His dreams, and aspirations.
< 1197837518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ball's?
< 1197837530 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wants to move from the beginning to the end
< 1197837584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i had the idea of moving a ball by bouncing and switching gravity on/off for like 3 years ago... guess i've been lazy
< 1197837586 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a start I suppose.
< 1197837601 0 :lucas-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is his most important desire to reach the end? Isn't that a bit one dimensional?
< 1197837612 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could make a character sheet with all his infos, including blood type.
< 1197837631 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's popular!
< 1197837644 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main idea is that you move the ball *only* by switching gravity on and off.
< 1197837654 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like the intelligent bombs in "Dark Star".
< 1197837662 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What is your one purpose in life?"
< 1197837663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want more, you're masochist :\
< 1197837666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a
< 1197837667 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why, to explode of course!"
< 1197837680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1197837690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like games with a plot
< 1197837695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 3d games
< 1197837702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything with humans
< 1197837704 0 :lucas-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, throughout the game, he could discover that the path traveled is more important than the destination
< 1197837709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1197837725 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All games end up with some sort of plot if they're succesful.
< 1197837728 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except Tetris.
< 1197837743 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh no
< 1197837752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know one good game with a plot.
< 1197837769 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say anything about good.
< 1197837776 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I <3 Grim Fandango
< 1197837783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see what you meant there
< 1197837815 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be a good idea to also let the gravity to be reversed
< 1197837830 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no
< 1197837839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too simple.
< 1197837857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would have 100% control over movement on the y-axis
< 1197837872 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't the ball just fall after a while?
< 1197837887 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it not important if it falls on the ground.
< 1197837889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just be about getting a nice x-wise speed, and the rest would be a ckewalk
< 1197837890 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: it'll not if it bounces perfectly :P
< 1197837891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cake
< 1197837908 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, no thermalisation of the kinetic energy?
< 1197837913 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to bounce a lot.
< 1197837916 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1197837936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need a lot of speed to be able to move upwards without gravity
< 1197837954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i'll prolly make 90% bounce
< 1197837975 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*force
< 1197838019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> >>> choose koed sleap
< 1197838020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ololobot> koed
< 1197838023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teh bot has spoken.
< 1197838057 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: so thermalisation of kinetic energy will happen, but it'll break the real laws of physics anyway ;)
< 1197838059 0 :lucas-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what coke were you talking about?
< 1197838068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal stuff ppl drink
< 1197838073 0 :lucas-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :(
< 1197838083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never even *seen* drugs.
< 1197838116 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have the right friends!
< 1197838128 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even pot?
< 1197838133 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1197838148 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even.. alcohol?!
< 1197838164 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "drugs" usually refers to the illegal ones.
< 1197838177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i've seen alcohol :)
< 1197838223 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tobacco? Caffeine?
< 1197838238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were correct, i meant i haven't seen the illegal ones.
< 1197838253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most likely i have, just don't remember now
< 1197838358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, anyone wanna draw me a red ball ;)
< 1197838367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not that visually gifted :<
< 1197838382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find an ellipse tool in gimp...
< 1197838396 0 :lucas-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, same problem here
< 1197838412 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fires up the GIMP
< 1197838426 0 :lucas-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to ask someone to cut out part of a transparent png at work
< 1197838441 0 :lucas-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause i don't know anything about the gimp and photoshop :)
< 1197838461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all a painting program needs is a scripting language + scripting box, and a few basic shapes
< 1197838465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimp has neither :<
< 1197838509 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use Adobe Illustrator?
< 1197838514 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember it being good.
< 1197838529 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, i prefer asking random people to do my balls
< 1197838542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pun as intended as possible)
< 1197838543 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you ask so nicely...
< 1197838546 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just generate a red circle in the code of the game
< 1197838554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right xD
< 1197838558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'll do that
< 1197838599 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you want it to be very professional, shade it somehow!
< 1197838639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, i prefer an ascetic ball without any texture!
< 1197838676 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that any information on its personality?
< 1197838757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: you can write the plot and the ball's characteristics if you like
< 1197838764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i promise i'll put them in the game :P
< 1197838885 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1197838937 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN THE POST-NUCLEAR WASTELAND, THERE IS ONLY ONE GAME : BALLS
< 1197838946 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE MAN COMES IN, WILL HE COME OUT?
< 1197838954 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah.
< 1197838997 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. That reminds me of some old games.
< 1197839002 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5440bd6b.wfd77a.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197839018 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once in a while, you noticed some plot section that no one ever reads.
< 1197839037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1197839039 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host172-87-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197839050 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it always starts with "in the post-nuclear wasteland..."
< 1197839077 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the pre-nuclear wasteland is so banal.
< 1197839111 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a good example : http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=927480171&size=o
< 1197839116 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1197839122 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a quite awesome game.
< 1197839123 0 :ehird`_!n=ehird@user-5440bd6b.wfd77a.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197839130 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read the plot 10 years later.
< 1197839251 0 :ehird`_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1197839301 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5440bd6b.wfd77a.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197839356 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=928194782&size=o
< 1197839359 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had a few bugs.
< 1197839395 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1197839453 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5440bd6b.wfd77a.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197839673 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot stuff
< 1197839674 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaargh
< 1197839700 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bear mauled your back?
< 1197839734 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1197839735 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1197839745 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good.
< 1197839824 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY QUEST: Implement the full r5rs Scheme in Python
< 1197839836 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just the silly dialects I have done before, oh no
< 1197839839 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next: Common Lisp!
< 1197839922 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh -- including call/cc, yes.)
< 1197840560 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Tell me. Am I crazy? :)
< 1197840683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you, sir, are a madman
< 1197840689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this scheme fixation
< 1197840702 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Scheme, so I cannot say.
< 1197840722 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If scheme is a language that requires mauling at the hands of bears, mayb!
< 1197840730 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think that's Malbolge.
< 1197840739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the sex pee language
< 1197840759 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Scheme is my favourite language :P
< 1197840801 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme is the only language where (call-with-current-continuation (lambda (k) (k 2)) is equivilent to 2!
< 1197840873 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is?
< 1197840909 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: it is the only language or that is equiv. to 2?
< 1197840925 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only such language?
< 1197840936 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe apart from some minor scheme variants like T
< 1197840941 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that won't work in Common Lisp, for sure
< 1197840946 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it doesn't have continuations :-)
< 1197840973 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another way of saying call-with-current-continuation, isn't there?
< 1197840981 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does call/cc also work?
< 1197840981 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call/cc, but that's not standard
< 1197840989 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is widely accepted however
< 1197841044 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a well-known language that's nothing like Scheme in which (call/cc (lambda (k) (k 2))) is equivalent to 2.
< 1197841055 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language, then?
< 1197841062 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck.
< 1197841070 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff
< 1197841206 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I wonder when I'll use something like #def ircRun to close a block in Python and wonder why it isn't working.)
< 1197841216 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hh
< 1197841217 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1197841305 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: a scheme stack frame is just object-being-evaluated + bindings + upper frame, right?
< 1197841335 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1197841345 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1197841427 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this much about Scheme: ->   <-
< 1197841495 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess now I'll be getting into Python regexy business.
< 1197841536 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme is fuuuuun
< 1197841828 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: ((call/cc call/cc) (call/cc call/cc)) tell me what that does :-)
< 1197841872 0 :chuck!n=charlie@wikimedia/cmelbye JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197841903 0 :chuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, i'm looking for a way to shorten my brainfuck code for example: +++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.>++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>+.   which is "Me", how can i shorten that down?
< 1197841984 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could transfer the M to the next byte.
< 1197842003 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e is less than 30 +'s away.
< 1197842009 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might shorten it.
< 1197842023 0 :chuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so you mean keep on using M's memory cell for E?
< 1197842031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen Me
< 1197842034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1197842035 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh?
< 1197842037 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon
< 1197842038 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not even that.
< 1197842039 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl
< 1197842041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Me
< 1197842073 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 +++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>><<<<-]>.>++. [318]
< 1197842092 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks for strings that short
< 1197842099 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, oklopol
< 1197842102 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Me
< 1197842104 0 :chuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww +++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.++++++++++[>+++<-]>.   doesn't work
< 1197842104 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Me
< 1197842105 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Me
< 1197842105 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Me
< 1197842105 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Me
< 1197842106 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Me
< 1197842116 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should evolve something better :-)
< 1197842122 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1197842130 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, though it isn't
< 1197842144 0 :chuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello World
< 1197842160 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chuck: it's had a LOT of practice on various Hello Worlds :-)
< 1197842170 0 :chuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1197842189 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 +++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>><<<<-]>.>++. [51]
< 1197842232 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, that's not for hello world. obviously :-)
< 1197842235 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :101 ++++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++++>++>++++++<<<<-]>++.>+++.+++++++..+++.>++++.>+++.<<.+++.------.--------. [432]
< 1197842237 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's its first attempt at Me
< 1197842240 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's your Hello World
< 1197842251 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the next stuff it spews out will be Me progressively improved
< 1197842253 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 +++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>><<<<-]>.>++. [949]
< 1197842262 0 :chuck!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1197842267 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph.
< 1197842270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1197842273 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 +++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>><<<<-]>.>++. [59]
< 1197842274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not keep state
< 1197842295 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 +++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>><<<<-]>.>++. [134]
< 1197842297 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Subtle_cough
< 1197842311 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((call/cc call/cc) (call/cc call/cc)).
< 1197842315 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: oh, *I* know
< 1197842323 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1197842325 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if you made subtle cough
< 1197842329 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I guess not a good question!
< 1197842329 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1197842335 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 +++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>><<<<-]>.>++. [684]
< 1197842337 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 +++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>><<<<-]>.>++. [789]
< 1197842344 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1197842349 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still my favourite infinite loop, i just wish i could figure out a way to plug a lambda into it
< 1197842360 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even sillier than until (hell_freezes_over) or while (the_pope == catholic)
< 1197842410 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until pigs.fly(), etc.
< 1197842626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: ((lambda x (x)) (lambda x (x))) ;)
< 1197842636 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not quite the same though \:P
< 1197842828 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1197842913 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@219-89-41-90.dialup.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197843226 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197843304 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. What would be a good program to test a non-deterministic Turing machine?
< 1197843330 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from "generating random numbers"'
< 1197843458 0 :Bennity!i=Ben@unaffiliated/bennity JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197843483 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start with the numbers from 1 to 10 and remove random contiguous pairs of numbers?
< 1197843507 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remove 4 and 5, then 7 and 8, then 2 and 3, then 9 and 10, and then you can't remove any more.
< 1197843565 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try that.
< 1197843778 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1197843892 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: damn, writing an obfuscated scheme interpreter that only uses lambdas and single-letter variables is hard
< 1197843928 0 :Bennity!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1197844126 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hmm, is it *possible* to do something akin to while x: ... in a lambda?
< 1197844128 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without using stack space
< 1197844484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We call it 'recursion'.
< 1197844588 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: without using stack space. python is not tail recursive
< 1197844658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1197844676 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: "lambda x: while foo: blah"?
< 1197844684 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: while is a statement
< 1197844688 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdas only hold 1 expression
< 1197844700 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you need to replace "if X: Y else: Z" with "(X and Y) or Z" :D
< 1197844701 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. . . Clearly, Python sucks.
< 1197844709 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1197844731 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a while-y function?
< 1197844739 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, it has expr/stmt distinction. :P
< 1197844746 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: I don't want to add helpers :P
< 1197844753 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're no fun.
< 1197844822 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1197844828 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to be obfuscated here
< 1197845011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It differentiates between an anonymous function and a named one.
< 1197845013 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dare they?
< 1197845041 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, they even differentiate between expressions and statements.
< 1197845158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Criminal.
< 1197845898 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host172-87-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197846258 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1197846303 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Konversation terminated!"
< 1197846403 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files/fugue/src/hworld.mid sounds nice at the beginning and becomes yucky immediately.
< 1197846713 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like all fugue programs
< 1197846717 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're avant-garde
< 1197847284 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip24-255-58-134.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1197847987 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bbl"
< 1197848598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes up the Kinda-Sorta-Blackish repeals