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00:27:13 <ehird`> sdfkhgklsfjghklshgksg MEGAHAL IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT -r -g OR -B WHY ARE THEY IN YOUR -h?!"?!?!?!!
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05:07:03 <pikhq> RodgerTheGreat: NEW. DC.
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05:08:11 <pikhq> And yes, I do sound a bit like an addict. ;p
05:09:06 <oklopol> ehird: it's certainly possible, but prolly not in a way you'd want.
05:09:21 <oklopol> also, have no idea whether you read logs, guess this is a test
05:15:33 <RodgerTheGreat> good night, everyone- wish me luck on my finals tomorrow morning
05:18:17 * pikhq wishes to take posession of your luck for finals. :p
05:19:33 <oklopol> heh, i remembered the time my exam is only 9 hours wrong :)
05:19:43 <oklopol> thought it's at 8 am, it's at 5 pm
05:21:10 <oklopol> hmmm, actually, i have no idea how to break python's stmt/expr distinction
05:21:24 <oklopol> i'm pretty sure i've done that somehow
05:22:38 <oklopol> i'll do some more sleeping ->
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05:25:40 <immibis> why is msn messenger randomly sending messages along the lines of "are these your pics? http://msgrpics.net/?msn=YOUR-MSN-ADDRESS-HERE"
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14:06:07 <sebbu2> j'vient de gagner 170ko/s de débit :D :)
14:07:03 <oklopol> lopzol inggggharhar hihihihiip xD
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17:35:24 <Slereah_> What does "halting" mean, exactly, for a Turing machine?
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17:40:30 <RodgerTheGreat> Slereah: how much do you already know about turing machines?
17:42:28 <Slereah> Depends what's the measure for this knowledge.
17:43:22 <Slereah> I'm not sure what to answer!
17:43:43 <RodgerTheGreat> it's a simple question: how much do you know about turing machines?
17:44:25 <Slereah> Enough to program one, and knowing some basic concepts I guess
17:47:03 <oklopol> halting = entering a predetermined special state where the machine stops moving ?
17:47:27 <Slereah> I know what regular expressions are.
17:47:35 <Slereah> Not sure if I could go as far as "familiar"
17:49:05 <Slereah> (I'm a little surprised because the original article doesn't include one)
17:49:19 <RodgerTheGreat> oklopol: I'm trying to build up the full explanation of how regexes, grammars, FSMs and TMs fit together
17:49:52 <oklopol> yarrrrr, just thought a oneliner explaining it quickly might be a helpful start ;)
17:49:53 <RodgerTheGreat> well, a TM will also halt if it's in a state where it has no further acceptable transitions, but this is generally considered halting on an error condition
17:50:50 <Slereah> I was originally thinking of some state (or states) where no action could change the tape any longer.
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18:35:45 <Slereah> Let's just say that my connection too has a halting problem.
18:38:30 <oklopol> you're trying to disconnect, but it keeps reconnecting?
18:46:17 <RodgerTheGreat> so it terminates easily, but it's hard to loop infinitely? Sounds like ///.
18:46:41 <Slereah> I guess the metaphore doesn't extend that far.
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19:08:24 <SimonRC> I initially got today's Xkcd backwards
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19:52:33 <Slereah> http://youtube.com/watch?v=zJOS0sV2a24
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21:04:11 <oerjan> <Slereah_> Well, the pre-nuclear wasteland is so banal.
21:04:38 <oerjan> you could have the game's purpose be to turn it post-nuclear, of course :)
21:05:37 <oklopol> the red ball could be a mad scientist!
21:06:30 <oerjan> something made it sad?
21:06:54 <oerjan> or did it turn away from its evil communist ways?
21:06:54 <tejeez> there could be a green glowing ball that is a nuclear bomb!
21:07:15 <oerjan> doesn't sound very green to me
21:15:35 <Slereah> oerjan : There was a game.
21:15:51 <Slereah> The goal was to rule the radioactive wasteland at the end!
21:16:10 <Slereah> You could play all the nuclear powers of the cold war!
21:18:28 <Slereah> the commands were mostly build nuclear stuff-build shelter-make propaganda
21:23:59 <oerjan> the red, blue and green faction. all with balls!
21:24:44 <oklopol> sadly, the reason is a much more boring one: red is ugly
21:24:47 <Slereah> "TURN OFF THE GRAVITY, AT FULL POWER!"
21:25:06 <oerjan> clearly a good color for your adversary, then
21:25:06 <oklopol> the game would be great if i just added scrolling
21:25:29 <oklopol> ...my adversary, or the ball's?
21:26:17 <oerjan> ah, but secretly they're the same!
21:26:34 <Slereah> Maybe you could some sort of one-buttoned controler, for hours of enjoyment
21:26:36 <oerjan> you could explain that in the Epilogue
21:26:52 <oklopol> how did you know i myself am a small 2d ball whose only means of movement is turning gravity on/off 8·||
21:27:14 <oerjan> i didn't. but now i do.
21:27:15 <Slereah> We're all the same here, oklopol.
21:27:42 <Slereah> We're trying to pretend we're discussing esoteric language, but this is all about the sorrows of being an agravitic ball.
21:27:46 <oerjan> i am a number, not a man!
21:28:53 <oerjan> oh, a little singing and dancing, and a couple of jokes.
21:29:46 <Slereah> http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers2/Applause%20(Bender).jpg
21:30:48 <oerjan> and more puns than you can shake a stick at.
21:31:08 <oerjan> but you could all guess that already.
21:31:11 <Slereah> I'll accept that stick shaking challenge.
21:31:57 * oerjan hates it when his jokes approach too close to actual work.
21:32:38 <oerjan> oklopol: your puny floods are of no consequence
21:34:21 <oklopol> or was that just another pun i didn't get :P
21:35:05 <oerjan> i nearly had to enter a challenge there.
21:35:18 <oerjan> <oklopol> lopzol inggggharhar hihihihiip xD
21:35:36 <Slereah> Dude, I was just thinking that.
21:37:14 <Slereah> Can't wait for that week to end.
21:37:25 <Slereah> Maybe I can get back on that code of mine.
21:40:20 <oklopol> oerjan: can you honestly say there's a better way to respond to someone using another language than english?
21:40:46 <oklopol> also, i keep trying to save the irc window... and then i don't remember to save my code
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22:57:28 * immibis is surprised he's the only person running windows here - it may be evil but it's not THAT evil (at least xp isn't, vista is)
22:58:27 <oerjan> but also ssh to linux -> irssi
22:58:48 <Slereah> I don't even have Linux installed!
22:59:17 <oerjan> i guess this makes this obligatory: http://dotnet.org.za/codingsanity/archive/2007/12/14/review-windows-xp.aspx
22:59:58 <bsmntbombdood> 3:59PM up 92 days, 5:51, 2 users, load averages: 0.79, 0.71, 0.67
23:01:13 <oerjan> i think i would get close to that if windows updates didn't have that tendency to require a reboot
23:03:01 <immibis> slereah: beware of msn virus in that case.
23:03:23 <immibis> bsmntbombdood: why would i WANT to run my computer for 92 days?
23:03:45 * oerjan has it set to hibernate when he closes the lid
23:05:10 <oklopol> try not to get a heart attack or anything from the surprise when i tell you this, but it's actually quite hard to maneuver the ball with just the gravity switch :O
23:10:37 <oklopol> guess i'll up it just in case, i'm sure everyone is interested as hell ;))))
23:13:48 <oerjan> Gravity. It's not just a good idea, it's the LAW. Unless you press this switch...
23:15:24 <Slereah> A blue ball. On the run from the law.
23:15:48 <Slereah> Maybe you could include that gravirrific monster from... Final Fantasy?
23:15:49 <oklopol> http://www.vjn.fi/gz/bounca/
23:15:58 <oklopol> tell me if you 1. try it 2. find bugs
23:15:59 <Slereah> Atomos, the big cubic dude
23:16:12 <immibis> bsmntbombdood: presumably it's so you can run the game so the screen shows either a vertical plane , or a horizontal one (with gravity off).
23:16:16 <oklopol> you don't have to tell me if you try it..
23:16:29 <immibis> gravity on = like a vertical plane. gravity off = like a horizontal one.
23:16:56 <oklopol> that's one way to reason about it
23:17:06 <Slereah> What should I open it with?
23:17:10 <oklopol> but, i'm not sure whether it's possible for a human to learn to use that
23:17:45 <oklopol> that's the problem with using python
23:18:18 <Slereah> ImportError: No module named pygame
23:18:47 <oklopol> you didn't miss a lot, believe me :)
23:20:18 <Slereah> With nothing left to lose?
23:21:40 <immibis> http://dan-ball.jp/en/javagame/dust/
23:21:43 <oklopol> well, when you put it that way, it's a pretty awesome game
23:22:21 <Slereah> Well, except maybe the "blue ball" part.
23:22:34 <Slereah> Can't you use some picture of a cougar instead?
23:24:22 <oklopol> i've been thinking of making a powder game with an idea
23:24:48 <oklopol> guess i could make one tomorrow or something, since it seems i'm making games now.
23:25:31 <oklopol> i prefer blue balls over cougars
23:28:49 <oklopol> oerjan: character suggestion?
23:29:39 <Slereah> Heh. Gunpower, oil, C4, nitroand some magma.
23:29:51 <Slereah> Great way to scatter som powder.
23:30:09 <oklopol> oh, heh, i never consider smileys anything that complicated
23:33:15 <oerjan> Wikipedia: (>_<) or (>_>) in pain, frustration
23:34:45 <oklopol> ah, i though grown was something a cougar says
23:34:59 <oerjan> ah, there are the rolling eyes i was looking for. 9_9
23:35:18 <oerjan> no, it signifies the pain from a bad pun
23:35:27 <oerjan> oklopol> i prefer blue balls over cougars
23:35:54 <oklopol> you should be careful with balls, if not deliberately making puns.
23:36:18 <oklopol> "my eyes goin thattaway, me going thisaway"
23:37:08 <DocWilco> is there a smiley programming language yet?
23:38:21 <oklopol> ^_^ enters obfuscation mode, but that's pretty much all i remember
23:39:31 <DocWilco> whoever wrote the 99 bottles emoticon entry didn't get into the spirit of things enough
23:39:45 <oklopol> yeah, that's quite boring :\
23:40:29 <DocWilco> I think my favorite on that site so far is Piet
23:48:21 <oklopol> i think i've mastered the movements of the ball :O
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23:48:41 <oklopol> at least i can pass the level quite quickly, and it requires you to go through a small hole
23:51:42 <Slereah> So, mastered your ball hey?
23:53:29 <DocWilco> This web game is a game that reels the powder by using the mouse,
23:53:30 <DocWilco> sends the wind, and enjoys that the dot dances.
23:59:49 <Slereah> It is quite procrastinating.