< 1203641473 0 :Sgeo!n=Anonymou@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1203641531 0 :Tritonio_!n=Tritonio@150.140.227.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1203641730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice to anyone who's been using Domain 0x08: Spec changes coming soon! < 1203641777 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will affect anyone using Net::makeserversocket, Net::urlget and Net::urlpost < 1203641784 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for your cooperation < 1203641797 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1203642078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1203642408 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"php you!" < 1203642411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Going down for new kernel." < 1203642431 0 :ehird!n=ehird@user-3e887a2d.tcl114.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1203642548 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re ehird < 1203643161 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone like the idea of BF-CHAT? A chat protocol for servers and clients written in BF? < 1203643192 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't chat on it. < 1203643201 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what does "re" stand for? < 1203643215 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re = rehi < 1203643223 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rehi? < 1203643270 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1203643285 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re hello? < 1203643308 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like "welcome back". < 1203643315 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a repetition of hello. < 1203643338 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use "re" instead of "hello"? < 1203643356 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"re" instead of "wb" when someone reconnects from a disconnect < 1203643362 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1203643423 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that "re" is a greek word that doesn't mean anything special but fits nicely when beggining a message like "re ehird". :-) < 1203643437 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like "hey" < 1203643774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nobody likes that idea, by the way. < 1203643785 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wha? < 1203643786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pointless. and not interesting. < 1203643795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's put it this way: in which way is it interesting? < 1203643820 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs. It would be a chat protocol that non-geeky people really wouldn't use
< 1203643828 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's a cool PSOX demo < 1203643835 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yeah just use IRC < 1203643839 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thougt < 1203643845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a chat protocol that NOBODY would really use!! < 1203643853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm pretty sure #esoteric has only geeks. < 1203643867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not a cool PSOX demo beacuse it just represents more of the same psox crap < 1203643873 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to write an IRCd in BF? < 1203643890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no!! you take our criticisms far too specifically! < 1203643895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the details, it's the ROOT IDEA < 1203643901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's POINTLESS, and it's just NOT INTERESTING < 1203643919 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so you're abandoning SOXP? What about a GUI domain? < 1203643948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOXP is not a main project. I may code some relatively interesting bits < 1203643955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of writing a bloody ircd < 1203643988 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about writing a GUI domain for PSOX? < 1203644057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM soxp < 1203644061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, mildly interesting < 1203644079 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM? < 1203644155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you mean < 1203644202 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, if SOXP has a compatibility layer for PSOX domains, you could write it for PSOX and it will work with both..\ < 1203644275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i want to write that? < 1203644299 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finished product sooner that would also work with newer technology? < 1203644300 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"If there are any aliens, time travellers or espers here, come join me!" < 1203644330 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, i could do it in fbf... :-P < 1203644367 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the irc client < 1203644425 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coolness < 1203644544 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Net::socket is going to return a success byte, btw < 1203644559 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1203644571 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Function 8.0 < 1203644661 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i still have no idea how psox works. i am reading the documentation now < 1203644712 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's to late. and in 7 hours i must be sitting on a chair taking a test in computer architecture. (sleep included) < 1203644767 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnightttttt < 1203644779 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bai < 1203644780 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'night Tritonio_ < 1203645342 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@209.248.124.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1203645494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1203645624 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re pikhq < 1203646158 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1203646179 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1203646525 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shi- < 1203646536 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed what's wrong with my IO < 1203646542 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1203646575 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the input converts to church numerals < 1203646588 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the program makes an invalid expression. < 1203648166 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://trac2.assembla.com/psox/changeset/88 < 1203648572 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, pikhq? < 1203648586 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes? < 1203648616 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comments on what I just posted? < 1203648620 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@122-57-224-108.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1203648634 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet that if I had 3D glasses, it would be awesome. < 1203648640 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was my comment. < 1203648646 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1203648649 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi GreaseMonkey < 1203648674 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo < 1203648689 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, comments on http://trac2.assembla.com/psox/changeset/88 ? < 1203648708 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET 3D SPECS GREASEMONKEY < 1203648721 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to < 1203648729 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzflag supports them < 1203648764 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: svn checkout link? < 1203648786 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and wtf is all that @blah shit? < 1203648797 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn co http://svn2.assembla.com/svn/psox/trunk < 1203648804 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers < 1203648805 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, Python decorators < 1203648823 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which version were they introduced into? < 1203648828 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have python 2.4 < 1203648835 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 2.4, not sure though.. < 1203648837 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although a 2.5-beta if i'm stuck < 1203648864 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.4 < 1203649545 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does PSOX need SSL support/ < 1203649546 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1203649629 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, let some Brainfuck coder implement SSL. < 1203649630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1203649760 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that even possible over ordinary sockets? < 1203649820 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be. < 1203649849 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i second pikhq. < 1203649868 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what do you think of my spec changes? < 1203649936 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No thoughts ATM. < 1203649954 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My weekends are much more likely to be used for PSOX. < 1203650015 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm thinking that the file I/O domain should contain a mkdir&cd function.. < 1203650025 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1203650046 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a combined function < 1203650065 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a cd function with an option to make the directory if it doesn't already exist < 1203650260 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks we should implement this... http://catseye.tc/projects/didigm/doc/didigm.html
< 1203652400 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes another commit
< 1203652457 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another with the fix for online.b < 1203652932 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1203653831 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what's the story with PEBBLE2? < 1203653871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing ATM. < 1203653882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that I'm struggling to get myself to do much of anything. < 1203653893 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in a month? < 1203653925 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have taken month long hiatuses wrt PSOX < 1203653935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda depressing, though. . . < 1203653944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEBBLE1 had functioning code within 24 hours. < 1203653951 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the greatest, but it worked. < 1203654294 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had that sort of productivity < 1203654312 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is more complex, PEBBLE1 or PSOX? < 1203654315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels lame
< 1203654621 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq? < 1203654698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1203654714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My *initial* implementation of PEBBLE was a hell of a lot simpler than PSOX. . . < 1203654721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern PEBBLE? < 1203654735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno; I'd say it's a bit more complex than PSOX. < 1203654737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1203654800 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels lame for taking so long to get out a working implementationm
< 1203654809 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm afraid I might never overhaul PSOX.py < 1203654814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't; I spent ages on my PEBBLE1 rewrite. < 1203654826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is quite complex. ;) < 1203654963 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what sort of things would go into PSOX 1.1
< 1203654971 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exceptions would be cool < 1203658457 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-142-139.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1203658627 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi immibis < 1203658736 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1203658789 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a change to the domain 0x08 specs < 1203658811 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://trac2.assembla.com/psox/changeset/88 < 1203658821 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://trac2.assembla.com/psox/changeset/88#file1 < 1203659021 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, thoughts? < 1203659416 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1203659457 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see...it's a diff...but what good is it to me < 1203659616 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if i were you i wouldn't change function numbers like that -- it breaks compatibility < 1203659766 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's not much current content out there < 1203659775 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> But I guess in general it's a bad idea < 1203659998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1203660683 0 :olsner!n=salparot@cust.fiber-lan.vnet.lk.85.194.50.194.stunet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1203661278 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1203661772 0 :cherez!n=cherez@131.151.190.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1203662801 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1203662854 0 :olsner!n=salparot@cust.fiber-lan.vnet.lk.85.194.50.194.stunet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1203664715 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1203667199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1203667200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1203668305 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"NickServ (GHOST'ed by gravisan" < 1203670412 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Read error: 110 (Connection chickened out)" < 1203681691 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1203682384 0 :timotiis!n=timotiis@jfkew.plus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1203683158 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1203684369 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1203689238 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1203698941 0 :ais523!n=ais523@pw02-fap01.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1203699816 0 :uvanta!n=uvanta__@116.45.53.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1203700110 0 :ehird!n=ehird@user-3e887a2d.tcl114.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1203702024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: 3+4 = 2 < 1203702076 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree. < 1203702085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove me wrong. In ternary. < 1203702133 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 and 4 do not exist in ternary < 1203702266 0 :Sgeo!n=Anonymou@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1203702281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, prove that in its decimal form wrong; using ternary < 1203702368 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll have a mkdir fucntion with optional cd, as opposed to a cd function with optional mkdir.. < 1203702381 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 xor 11 = 01 < 1203702400 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Wait. < 1203702409 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I do addition with ternary symbols. < 1203702420 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 + 4 = 7. < 1203702422 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thar. < 1203702463 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, ehird, any comment on what I just said? < 1203702517 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two thumbs up, go for it. < 1203702579 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone heard of Linux? It’s a new kind of Windows, but it’s free. I’ve read up on it, and it seems that it’s created and supported by ultra-liberals. Its creator, Richard Stallman, is even a satanist. < 1203702579 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They call themselves “hackers”, and their aim is to destroy every big company, everything that is conservative. I can’t tolerate this sort of persecution. The LORD himself was a conservative and he was nailed to a tree for it. It won’t be long before all of us are crucified too if Linux succeeds. < 1203702581 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1203702637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I wonder how many people took that seriously? < 1203702638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1203702644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why not two functions < 1203702649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOSH IT'S SO OBVIOuS (!!) < 1203702650 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, where's this? < 1203702660 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fstdt.com < 1203702661 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what use is there for a CD that might error? < 1203702673 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's more useful as a combined function < 1203702678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ask all the people who wrote sane shells. < 1203702695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't know how basic filesystem operations would work; they know more about that kind of stuff than you (as a rule of thumb for any programming by anyone) < 1203702702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: ah, that's bad ... i think it's satire < 1203702717 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always hard to see where the trolls are < 1203702755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolling != satire < 1203702976 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what use is there for bf to be calling a cd command? < 1203703007 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think that a BF program would want to attempt to switch to a directory, and make it if it doesn't exist < 1203703080 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are most BF interps wrapping? If not, how does one do if(cell==5) for example without wrapping? < 1203703140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not wrapping as in "crashes if you go below zero?" < 1203703153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not wrapping as in doesn't wrap < 1203703166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the latter case, no different from a wrapping solution < 1203703211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo knows nearly nothing about what real-world program do, or what most brainfuck interpreters do, or how to write tons of algorithms in it, yet he advertises PSOX as the way to write 'real programs' in brainfuck. < 1203703212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-| < 1203703215 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, how could it be no different? < 1203703241 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, I don't either! < 1203703253 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That never stopped me from coding shit < 1203703280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it just isn't any different, too trivial to explain < 1203703289 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :----- < 1203703324 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't distinguish between 5 and 4 in nonwrapping, afaict < 1203703331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: It stopped you from coding something which is intended to be used to write large Brainfuck programs, though, < 1203703351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: lolwut? < 1203703354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: always check for larger numbers before smaller < 1203703355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1203703367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is incredibly sad of how ignorant Sgeo is of brainfuck algorithms
< 1203703400 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't stop me. What stopped me is the fact that I don't want to :o < 1203703400 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: WHAT < 1203703444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For GUI BF applications, which would be better: A lot of ifs in a loop, or the program checking one element, then another, etc? < 1203703452 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking the first option < 1203703455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opinions? < 1203703482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i suggest you work out how to code in brainfuck first. < 1203703488 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: my opinion is you should explain why it does not distinguish between 4 and 5 < 1203703542 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, um, wouldn't nonwrapping noncrash mean that ----- when it was at 4 make it zero, or am I misunderstanding "nonwrapping noncrash"? < 1203703558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1203703568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1203703588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making - a nop if the current cell is zero would essentially be the same as crashing < 1203703591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither makes any sense < 1203703609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and besides, if you check higher numbers before smaller, you have no problem < 1203703612 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So by nonwrapping you meant it goes negative? < 1203703624 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1203703626 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1203703648 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when you . a negative? < 1203703651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: saturating on decrement at 0 is reasonably sensible behaviour < 1203703657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes less-than really easy to write < 1203703668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1203703676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't approve of it < 1203703682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prepares his chainsaw
< 1203703700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: everything is implementation defined < 1203703702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always < 1203703725 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many implementations crash on negative, and on those, how would you do if(cell==5)? < 1203703725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, there's no active esolang standards comitte < 1203703741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as we come up with a good acronym, let's start one! < 1203703744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1203703748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to be on it
< 1203703755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: those are not brainfuck. < 1203703758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but of course < 1203703777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i used to use this thing called Blue Fern, killed my brainfuck interp in brainfuck with its "crash on decrement zero" < 1203703779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would even go to say that just 'brainfuck' is 30,000+ cell, 8-bit, wrapping brainfuck < 1203703780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric Standards Organisation would be ESO, which is nicely self-referential < 1203703797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: let's add TERIC to that < 1203703822 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's easy enough to do IFs? < 1203703837 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I go with the first option I mentioned, or the second? < 1203703838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric Standards Organization: Tier-based Evil Recursive Induction (Crap) < 1203703839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: shure < 1203703840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D < 1203703851 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's work on the Brainfuck Standard Eso 0001 < 1203703858 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me find a tie first. < 1203703859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hay, Slereah < 1203703860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow down < 1203703860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1203703867 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a tie, so I'll use a bandana. < 1203703867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF will be the major problem < 1203703876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter what we decide on someone will be disappointed < 1203703878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha, if we use ESOTERIC we can't have our own channel < 1203703888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1203703890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ESO < 1203704050 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1337 it < 1203704053 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#350 < 1203704108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should make something like projecteuler.net for esolangs < 1203704512 0 :otesanek!n=otesanek@217.195.209.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1203705235 0 :otesanek!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1203705505 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to be sure, BF programs can print 0xFF? < 1203705544 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it a blank character anyway? < 1203705556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they can, generally speaking < 1203705777 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to make some optimizations to the BF interp
< 1203705781 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not BF interp < 1203705783 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX interp < 1203705797 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should make importing domains MUCH faster < 1203705810 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the expense of a tiny bit of ugliness < 1203706017 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just replacing FNUM(1) with FNUM1 < 1203707512 0 :wildhalcyon!n=chatzill@12.191.193.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1203707538 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: younger programmers might get the wrong idea, watching you take it seriously. < 1203707541 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi wildhalcyon < 1203707547 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Sgeo < 1203707573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's true.. < 1203707574 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1203707577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make brainfuck sound useful < 1203707585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even interesting beyond the initial 'hey, that's awesome' < 1203707586 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :slereah_ < 1203707591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last interesting program was mandelbrot.b or life.b < 1203707600 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck isn't about usefulness. < 1203707603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostkng.b was pretty cool, but not that much (it's a good stress test) < 1203707605 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about sweat and blood! < 1203707629 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is not useful. Interesting or fun, perhaps, but not useful. < 1203707637 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about having a short TC language to make interpreters out of. < 1203707639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildhalcyon: sgeo is trying to make it useful < 1203707654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ooh, aah, you can write a web page or an irc bot in BRAINFUCK! ooh, aah < 1203707660 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Like gluing auto parts on a skateboard" < 1203707668 0 :BrainF!n=SgBrainf@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1203707668 0 :BrainF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all. This client is written in Brainfuck (albeit written with a generator), believe it or not. It uses PSOX. You can get information about PSOX at http://esolangs.org/wiki/PSOX . < 1203707668 0 :BrainF!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1203707675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah_: Exactly! daniel has it right. < 1203707687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wow, great way to prove my point < 1203707698 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT, THE BRAINFUCK, IT TALKS! < 1203707709 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because it CAN do something doesn't mean it should... < 1203707734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: thinking about extending that? < 1203707786 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1203707796 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm? < 1203707838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want me to define 'extend'? < 1203707859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant, make it actually do something < 1203707877 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not skilled enough in BF for that < 1203707911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't learn if you don't try < 1203707919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i'll be doing some going now -> < 1203707931 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bai < 1203707984 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later < 1203708010 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone here worked with the befunge-98 fingerprints? < 1203708036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've run funge-98 code that uses them, but didn't write the source code < 1203708043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or take more than a passing glance to see what it was doing < 1203708073 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, alright < 1203708158 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildhalcyon, PSOX has a somewhat similar idea < 1203708205 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, actually, not really, something more analygous to handprints is there, but not fingerprints I think < 1203708215 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but its not embedded into the language. Its only available for I/O. < 1203708353 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I get it < 1203708368 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the handprint thing is nice for befunge < 1203708481 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ais523: re the discussion in ESO: One thing that would make it incompatible with everything currently existing would be that you do ,, per char, the first one is 0x00 if there is an EOF, 0x01 otherwise, the next one is the char, or 0x00 if there was EOF < 1203708552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's psox semantics. < 1203708553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtfo :P < 1203708577 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's unambiguous < 1203708595 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, you probably couldn't call it BF then.. < 1203708697 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't ESO the esoteric operating system? < 1203708742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be both < 1203708746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more ambiguity the better < 1203708778 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESO is ESO compatible. < 1203708783 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As decided by ESO. < 1203708786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: YES! < 1203708787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1203709726 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is ESO? < 1203709758 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric Standards Organisation. < 1203710005 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1203710008 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1203710025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildhalcyon: 'ouch'? < 1203710041 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds so.. official < 1203710045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck, at least, needs standardisation so we can finally get rid of that EOF problem < 1203710047 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What GUI thingy should I use for a PSOX GUI domain? < 1203710050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildhalcyon: That is totally the point! < 1203710051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1203710062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and IMO we need a base INTERCAL standard to deal with the proliferation of various features since INTERCAL-72 < 1203710063 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no EOF problem for BF programs using PSOX < 1203710064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are even going to have a domain, with email addresses using full names. < 1203710072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and write it using XML, with xml2rfc < 1203710077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like C, which had a de facto standard for a while and was finally cleaned up < 1203710151 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The standard barely saved C. < 1203710181 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C was in serious danger of losing its personality and devolving into a horrible mish-mash of parts and pieces. < 1203710188 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. which is what happened in the end anyways < 1203710229 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't fear much for Brainfuck becoming a mish mash. < 1203710244 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even PSOX will not soil its purity! < 1203710247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid Windows... I insert a USB stick, it spends ages doing something or other before it recognises it, then pops up a balloon saying how clever it's being installing drivers, then /while it's doing that/ I save my file to the USB stick, and then after that it tells me I need to restart my computer to be able to use the USB stick < 1203710276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildhalcyon: #ESO -- come and make sure we don't do something evil? :P < 1203710330 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I will only come to help you do something evil < 1203710345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, good point < 1203710369 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais, I'm afraid windows is a rather... dimwitted individual < 1203710399 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was smart, it would either recognize that it doesn't need to install anything, or it wouldn't let you touch it until it finished installing < 1203710409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildhalcyon: I'm aware, the reason I'd plugged in the USB stick was to transfer files to my Linux laptop < 1203710506 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I just like poking fun of windows < 1203710519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I < 1203710532 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think chatzilla hates me < 1203710695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I had Forte's idea for years before I even heard of esolangs < 1203710702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wondered what would happen if you could assign numbers to other ones < 1203710721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some Fortran interps could do that, but didn't take it to its logical conclusion < 1203710736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it might be one of those things that everyone thinks of < 1203710737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, BANCStar also allows that, for twisted reasons of its own < 1203710743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the 'what if everyone else sees colours different from anyone else?' < 1203710745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't even an esolang, technically speaking < 1203710749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not met one person who didn't use to think that < 1203711029 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn it < 1203711141 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah < 1203711219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildhalcyon: Bahrn it. < 1203711236 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, hybrid curse words are the best\ < 1203711324 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a gosh darned cunt! < 1203711408 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the way to tell 'em < 1203711860 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, even though I don't have anything hard to show for it, I've come up with a name for my project < 1203712087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildhalcyon: what is it? < 1203712152 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Names are important. < 1203712157 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're hard to come up with. < 1203712164 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just look at NTCM! < 1203712169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have names for most of my esolangs < 1203712171 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even I don't call it by that name. < 1203712190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have a strange aversion to using them in public before the lang is 'officially' released < 1203712202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just talk about 'my uncomputable Prolog-like language' or whatever < 1203712212 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, had to step out :-) < 1203712219 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My project name is NeuroNIX < 1203712229 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION launches a Prolog program in a Hogart space time
< 1203712232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name sounds like it's a neural-network operating system < 1203712240 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the idea < 1203712248 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its not a neural network in the strict sense < 1203712255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would like to see that
< 1203712258 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its just a grid of fungeoid processors < 1203712275 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its networked LIKE neurons... sort.. of... < 1203712287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1203712316 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really just liked the name < 1203712326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I < 1203712328 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I too would like to see a neural network operating system < 1203712878 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Text < 1203712880 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1203712970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: that's not 2d < 1203713004 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. It's just the last article < 1203713972 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would debate whether the authorship of that language was correct < 1203714004 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahah, it works! < 1203714019 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, my 2,3 machine display random characters instead of three! < 1203714069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my favourite quines (a UNIX executable): < 1203714072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/cat < 1203714074 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, I gotta head out. Good luck in your endeavours < 1203714076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works in Perl too. < 1203714101 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]" < 1203714402 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how ls listings should be expressed in PSOX :/ < 1203715400 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1203715417 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would Taxi work with PSOX? Reading in involves reading a line.. < 1203715598 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could provide a loopback function.. < 1203716399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: If any of you have a gripe with the name 'eso-std.org' or a suggestion for a better one, PLEASE INFORM ME < 1203716439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, CLARIFICATION: the domain name eso-std.org, not the org name (Esoteric Standards Organization) < 1203716622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oklopol: Slereah: Sgeo: : LAST RFC ON THE DOMAIN NAME... < 1203716631 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eso-disease.org? < 1203716636 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> sorry < 1203716725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you have any objections or suggestions for a better name than eso-std.org? < 1203716741 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than maybe eso-standard.org not really < 1203716748 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is ok with eso-std.org
< 1203716756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :std seems better, like open-std.org < 1203716762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can't remember whether that has a hyphen or not) < 1203716775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eso-standard.org looks kinda ugly < 1203716794 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION agrees with ehird
< 1203716796 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ais523 < 1203717099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: should we use a more general name for eso-std.org? < 1203717104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it will house non-standard-related things too < 1203717130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an interesting point < 1203717144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd kind of prefer to have it like the w3c, which also hosts validators, etc. < 1203717151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is a standards org really < 1203717165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it also has repos < 1203717166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, reference interps are part of the standardisation process < 1203717168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and implementation's sites < 1203717169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pastebins < 1203717170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1203717177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but e.g. the underload compiler will be there < 1203717179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that won't be official < 1203717201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really official, more an informative annex < 1203717206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which aids understanding of the standard < 1203717213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "How this language can be compiled" < 1203717227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but there will be stuff totally unrelated to standards there too < 1203717537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We will spend more on hospitals! < 1203717537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We will jail anyone not in jail already! < 1203717537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We will spend billions limiting immigration! < 1203717537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We will deport anyone we can deport! < 1203717537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We will abolish schools! < 1203717575 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20051218132142/http://chimpen.com/tory/ < 1203717624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that rules < 1203717884 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just brainfuck though < 1203717929 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, what isn't in esolangs. < 1203717970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is upset that so many thematic languages are based on BF, because many of them look quite interesting
< 1203717986 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is Tory BF? < 1203717999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: read the spec < 1203717999 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://web.archive.org/web/20060620231104/chimpen.com/tory/tory-spec.html < 1203717999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all its commands are the same, if you read the spec < 1203718003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just with different names < 1203718018 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's BF but doesn't acutally say so? < 1203718027 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read, write, forward, backward, increment, decrement, if and end if < 1203718037 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rest is NOP < 1203718042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while and end while, I think < 1203718051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so exactly , . > < + - [ ] < 1203718167 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what non-BF equivelents can be compiled to BF < 1203718212 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's TC. < 1203718213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything computable with one input stream and one output stream that can arbitrarily affect and be arbitrarily affected by the program < 1203718227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the nature of TCness < 1203718244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, add in the requirement for I/O and you get what is often called "Brainfuck-complete" by esolangers) < 1203718249 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tory does have increment-by-n though, so I guess it's rather a BF dialect < 1203718250 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1203718255 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How easy/difficult would it be to do so? < 1203718259 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometime it's hard to add IO! < 1203718264 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends. < 1203718277 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, only to the extend BF-RLE is a dialect < 1203718281 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly about how close the concepts are. < 1203718323 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least that's how I feel it. < 1203718467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closing bits, at eso-std.org ... (last chance) < 1203718472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bids < 1203718478 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sold! < 1203718507 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ask on Sine? < 1203718533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Meh. Ok. < 1203718698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Sgeo: no objections? < 1203718708 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not anymore than last time. < 1203718708 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you didn't ask on Sine.. < 1203718711 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no objections < 1203718720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: eh, little point to ask on sine < 1203718724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you? < 1203718731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: random person -- you? < 1203718834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK -- registering it. < 1203718860 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, now I have a million and one objection! < 1203718870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late. Doing it now. :P < 1203718887 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooooooooooo < 1203718891 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no matter. < 1203718898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: any real objections? < 1203718904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: You misspellt Noooooooooooo < 1203718908 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1203718911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1203718917 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO NOT WANT < 1203719349 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whois.sc/eso-std.org < 1203719360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: shut up < 1203719362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm registering it < 1203719370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: don't hit a whois, some people will try to register a website first if you do < 1203719376 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1203719382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damnit. < 1203719389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clap, clap, clap < 1203719413 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Register faster ehird! < 1203719416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, ehird had already put the request in, so is likely to get it first unless the registrar is really slow about it < 1203719416 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're after you! < 1203719417 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But didn't you register it? < 1203719423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to < 1203719427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not every whois site has domain parkers watching < 1203719430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the registrar's ordering system is loading slowly < 1203719432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some of them < 1203719436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no the request might not be in yet. < 1203719460 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does whois.sc ? < 1203719467 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whois.domaintools.com ? < 1203719469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1203719620 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: random person -- me? < 1203719653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"while this is all very exciting, it doesn't prevent me needing to go home. I'll see what happened tomorrow or maybe the day a < 1203720062 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :_D6Gregor1RFeZi < 1203720068 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_D6Gregor1RFeZi, what? < 1203721053 0 :Tritonio_!n=Tritonio@150.140.226.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1203721911 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Tritonio_ < 1203721921 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo < 1203721943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1203721948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eso-std.org is myerierineirnernierniernierne!!! < 1203722040 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1203722052 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the best GUI toolkit for PSOX? < 1203722107 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1203722123 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi sebbu < 1203722460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE: < 1203722467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you try eso-std.org to see if it starts loading sometime? < 1203722468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1203722561 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not seem to. < 1203722612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try pinging < 1203722658 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too ashamed to reveal that I don't know how to do it. < 1203722742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ping eso-std.org' < 1203722831 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1203722905 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1203724259 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1203724379 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.desktop.umr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1203724415 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1203724416 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.desktop.umr.edu JOIN :#esoteric