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00:32:27 <pikhq> Okay, I just went ahead and split my Magic cards 4 ways. . . And I still have 111 extra beyond that.
00:34:28 <ehird> pikhq: Canada just got a whole lot fun. And there's no agora war
00:34:32 <ehird> At least idle in #ircnomic
00:35:18 * SimonRC worries that the humour might be too subtle for some people; especially on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/infinitesolutions
00:37:08 <ehird> "you suck faggot nerd nerd nerd mother fucker"
00:37:40 <ehird> so apparently, they suck a british dish and have sexual intercourse with the mothers of the math rock group "nerd nerd nerd" (I just made that one up)
00:41:22 <pikhq> SimonRC: Brilliant.
00:41:54 <pikhq> I'd hope that the 'shooting targets off the Empire State Building' would be a dead giveaway. . .
00:42:19 <pikhq> Of course, I'd also hope that people would actually learn a damned thing in high school, so I may well just be ignorant.
00:44:07 <SimonRC> I have been watching several of his videos They're all good
00:44:25 <SimonRC> I almost tried the minesweeper one out
00:44:53 <pikhq> "It's called electrical tape because it conducts electricity"
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00:49:06 <ehird> SimonRC: Speaking of minesweeper and zork...
00:49:24 <pikhq> And I'm loving the 'advanced server' to simulate DST changeover.
00:49:53 <pikhq> But, yeah, the humor is a bit subtle for Youtubers.
00:49:56 * SimonRC wonders how the second Google TV video was done.
00:50:57 <ehird> SimonRC: setting up a fake site
00:51:19 <SimonRC> It must have taken a lot more effort than the previous ones
00:51:34 <SimonRC> the menus that he used to select the tv show were spiffy
00:51:48 <SimonRC> unless that is some re-skinned existing TV site
00:52:11 <SimonRC> but injection of the extra "TV" link into the HTTP comms shouldn't be *too* difficult.
00:52:38 <SimonRC> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MulSMSJV-U
00:52:52 <ehird> SimonRC: Ooh, I have an idea.
00:53:00 <ehird> A text adventure whose completion relies on xyzzy and plugh.
00:53:09 <ehird> They are the most indepth commands in it, you can do;
00:53:17 <ehird> Xyzzy the xyzzy in the xyzzy
00:53:22 <ehird> it can be used in any context
00:53:25 <ehird> and is defined elaborately for both
00:53:28 <ehird> same applies to plugh
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00:53:48 <ehird> SimonRC: So, a lot of the moves are akin to 'Plugh the xyzzying plugh in the plughing xyzzy plugh'
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00:55:03 <SimonRC> how an esolang where you can say "do the thing to the thingy with the doohickey"
00:55:33 <ehird> SimonRC: IF input languages are basically esolangs.
00:55:44 <ehird> Actually, the final move to my xyzzyplugh game should be:
00:56:26 <ehird> Talk to the plughing xyzzy about how to plugh the xyzzying plugh in the plughing xyzzy plugh while plughing the xyzzytical plughs of the xyzzyland plughmobile of plughxyzzys as the plughness plughs xyzzy up the plugh.
00:56:51 <ehird> which should go in to a very in-depth analysis of how you talked to the plughing xyzzy about that
00:57:03 <ehird> "Blah blah and you said about blah."
00:57:07 <ehird> "Xyzzying plugh: etc etc"
00:57:18 <ehird> and then that will end in a huge row
00:57:23 <ehird> where the xyzzying plugh fights you
00:57:37 <ehird> and you kill it by using the plughxyzzy of plughitical proportions in xyzzyland or whatever
00:57:44 <ehird> that you made not long before
00:57:48 <ehird> from almost all of the game objects
00:58:03 <ehird> and then, when that happens, you find the xyzzy of plughlight in its remains
00:58:11 <ehird> which causes the world to evaporate
00:58:21 <ehird> and you escape on a plughland parachute made of xyzzy
00:58:35 <ehird> SimonRC: but of course
01:00:07 <ehird> SimonRC: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.xyzzy/topics the best usenet group ever
01:00:48 <ehird> it even has paedophilliac kooks!
01:00:49 <ehird> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.xyzzy/browse_thread/thread/681784573d944d44#
01:02:12 <Slereah_> And where's the shit and vomit?
01:02:38 <Slereah_> I SWEAR OFFICER, I DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS ONLY 3!
01:02:45 <Slereah_> http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers3/1210089776017.jpg
01:05:45 <Slereah_> I wonder, is there a language with a command to replace the symbol for the command?
01:05:58 <Slereah_> Not for any useful reason, just for obfuscation.
01:06:03 <ehird> It's called MY MOTHER
01:07:22 <ehird> Slereah_: #ircnomic is all fun now.
01:07:24 <ehird> It is called Canada.
01:08:26 <Slereah_> I dunno, you're not very tolerant of Amiral Ackhbar.
01:08:54 <ehird> Besides, our rules mean that your Admiral Ackbar votes only count as one.
01:08:57 <ehird> Since you are, in fact, the same person.
01:10:51 <ehird> Slereah_: Yes. With SCIENCE
01:11:16 <ehird> Slereah_: In fact, I have a truly wonderful proof for this that this margin is too narrow to contain.
01:12:07 <Slereah_> Nice try. I did the same thing for my homeworks, but it didn't fly!
01:12:33 <Slereah_> I should do something like this just before I die.
01:12:49 <SimonRC> If I could write a novel...
01:13:12 <Slereah_> "The proof for this I have, and will develop it in an upcoming article"
01:13:13 <SimonRC> I would write one full of bizarre metaphores and imagery that seems meaningful
01:14:11 <ehird> SimonRC: Then you'd be one of thousands of other authors!
01:14:13 <ehird> Millions, in fact.
01:14:16 <SimonRC> I would moan that no-one could see that the novel contained the meaning of life and the secret to universal happiness, despite it being all-but-spelled-out in the book
01:14:22 <ehird> And I would probably love your book. I'm a pretentious fucker.
01:14:31 <ehird> (Note: my pretentiousness is unrelating to my fucking.)
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01:16:06 <SimonRC> ISTR that Illuminatus does something like that, though rather then moaning there is a short note at the beginning
01:16:21 <SimonRC> I forget what secret is supposed to be revealed.
01:16:47 <Slereah_> The Illuminatus is pretty much plot vomit.
01:16:49 <ehird> Slereah_: How did you send an empty message?
01:17:16 <ehird> Can *I* have l33t skillz?
01:18:05 <Slereah_> You can acquire them here : http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Computer_Science_3
01:18:21 <ehird> Slereah_: The correct response is "No! You fool! Only l33ts may have ... l33t powers"
01:18:50 <ehird> Then I follow it with "Halt! You fiend! You are not a l33t. I am a l33t. FurthermoraksldjASOIDHASIUDHAIUHKJSANKJASNDJKASDHAKJHKRRNRKNRKRKRR"
01:19:28 <ehird> Slereah_: Do you not agree?
01:19:42 <SimonRC> most people will see nothing on the following line:
01:20:13 <SimonRC> some people will see nothing on this line instead:
01:20:40 <Sgeo> Is there supposed to be more than just "fnord"?
01:20:44 <SimonRC> or maybe the other way round
01:20:57 <ehird> Sgeo: more than just " "?
01:20:58 <SimonRC> Sgeo: both lines say fnord once
01:21:02 <Sgeo> I saw "fnord" twice
01:21:07 <ehird> SimonRC: They both say " " once?
01:21:13 <ehird> Sgeo: How can you see blank space twice?!
01:21:28 <SimonRC> client doesn't do colour, eveidentally
01:21:32 <ehird> freenode strips colours SimonRC
01:21:34 <Sgeo> isn't +c color stripping?
01:21:38 <ehird> that's enabled by default
01:21:45 <SimonRC> not on this channel though
01:22:12 <ehird> SimonRC: No, colour is stripped
01:22:15 <SimonRC> I tried on a random channel and I could see my own colours
01:22:29 <Sgeo> do you see this as red?
01:22:37 <SimonRC> I thought that seeing your own text relied on the server echoing it back to the client
01:22:47 <Sgeo> SimonRC, I see it as red.
01:23:00 <SimonRC> ok, so it doesn't work by server echo
01:23:00 <ehird> this channel is +c
01:23:09 <ehird> SimonRC: Colour stripping is on
01:23:39 <pikhq> SimonRC: Have you ever logged into IRC via Telnet?
01:23:47 <SimonRC> ah, I was looking at my modes not #esoteric's modes
01:25:16 <SimonRC> I had a more-unusual-than unusual dream
01:25:24 <ehird> SimonRC: I like dreams!
01:25:39 <SimonRC> I was, um, somewhere, and I could ly
01:26:20 <ehird> You could ly, could you?
01:26:28 <ehird> Anyway, flying a metre up would be fun
01:26:34 <SimonRC> At one point I was floating down inside a really huge space
01:26:49 <SimonRC> like, the inside of a cathedral tower or something
01:27:39 <SimonRC> I considered using the space to do a bit of skydiving, but something told me not to, and sure enough I found that there were wires that held light up or something every so often on the way down
01:27:57 <SimonRC> going up is tricky even when near the ground
01:28:37 <ehird> SimonRC: 'something' = 'the part of your brain that just invented that'
01:28:37 <SimonRC> BTW, the Matrix makes a lot more sense in its original form, where humans were being used for computing power, not electrical power
01:29:04 <SimonRC> yeah, I watched some of the added stuff on the DVD
01:29:21 <SimonRC> the bros talked about the early development of the idea
01:30:27 <SimonRC> you know its just a simulation, yet you can't break the rules by wanting to
01:30:53 <SimonRC> however, if the simulation is internally generated, then it makes sense that you can brek the apparent rules
01:31:47 <SimonRC> anyway, enough of that; bed-time
01:32:51 <ehird> Slereah_: goddamn that Mike Sandy guy makes me want to kill people
01:39:45 <ehird> pikhq: We need halp
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10:05:06 <oklofok> there are 17 queriams in a flendra
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12:47:47 <AnMaster> Deewiant, I got an idea for a new fingerprint: ESOL: B = Execute a 0gnirts as brainfuck, takes one tick, H = Execute a 0gnirts as HQ9++
12:51:40 <Deewiant> I might not call it ESOL... BFHQ or something rather, it's only two langs after all
12:52:10 <AnMaster> Deewiant, cfunge implements BASE, CPLI, DIRF, FILE, FIXP, FPDP, FPSP, HRTI, INDV, JSTR, MODU, NULL, ORTH, PERL, PNTR, REFC, ROMA, SUBR, TIME, TOYS now btw
12:52:14 <AnMaster> Deewiant, well I would add more ones
13:11:32 <AnMaster> just an idea anyway, will finish some other fingerprints before that
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13:28:50 <AnMaster> oklofok, palindrome is when it is same backwards and forwards isn't it?
13:29:36 <AnMaster> well then it isn't a palindrome
13:29:47 <AnMaster> as it is a word backwards but not the same string
13:30:06 <AnMaster> AMOR was some greek god or something iirc?
13:31:32 <Deewiant> (and it also means love in a couple of languages)
13:31:39 <oklofok> "esol = lose" is not a palindrome?
13:31:51 <oklofok> it seems there's something wrong with my perception again
13:31:59 <AnMaster> Deewiant, ROMA is after all about roman so ;P
13:32:41 <AnMaster> oklofok, well no it isn't a palindrome, as a palindrom is like abcba, if reversed it is the same string
13:32:53 <oklofok> >>> "esol = lose"==reverse("esol = lose")
13:33:09 <AnMaster> oklofok, lose is esol reversed
13:33:41 <oklofok> have i said either "lose" or "esol" is a palindrome?
13:33:44 <AnMaster> "A palindrome is a word, phrase, number or other sequence of units that has the property of reading the same in either direction (the adjustment of punctuation and spaces between words is generally permitted)."
13:33:49 <oklofok> perhaps i'm not quoting well enough
13:33:54 <AnMaster> <oklofok> (just a wild palindrome)
13:34:28 <oklofok> non alphanumberic characters aren't usually counted
13:34:37 <oklofok> so we are talking about the string esollose
13:34:44 <oklofok> i'm fairly sure it's a palindrome
13:34:54 <oklofok> but if not, can you tell me what's wrong with it?
13:34:57 <AnMaster> oklofok, you meant the whole string was a palindrome?
13:35:13 <oklofok> so i wasn't quoting well eonugh
13:35:19 <oklofok> we should all be speaking lojban
13:35:37 <oklofok> anyway, i need to continue reading about databases, next: the wonders of sql
13:36:11 <oklofok> after implementing an sql query evaluator, sql is very, very hard to understand! :P
13:38:09 <AnMaster> oklofok, err it is hard to understand after you implemented it?
13:39:24 <oklofok> <IRONY> after implementing an sql query evaluator, sql is very, very hard to understand! :P </IRONY>
13:40:32 <SimonRC> xml schema was invented by the sort of people that think factoryfactoryfactories are the solution to all software problems
13:40:49 <AnMaster> SimonRC, well I prefer S-Expressions
13:41:14 <SimonRC> you can't say "element foo containts an element bar and an element baz"
13:41:45 <SimonRC> no, you have to say "element foo contains simple content which contains a sequence which contains an element foo and an elemnt baz"
13:41:51 <oklofok> gonna go read now, really ->
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20:25:43 <RodgerTheGreat> oerjan: y'know, there's a unicode alphabet to do that properly
20:27:31 <Slereah-> RodgerTheGreat : Do you race rats professionaly for a living?
20:27:59 <oerjan> actually, RodgerTheGreat is secretely a lab rat
20:28:13 <oerjan> second cousin twice removed of Brain
20:47:02 <ehird> oerjan: I almost have that captcha done for haskellnomic
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21:45:02 <ehird> oerjan: http://hpaste.org/7545
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21:51:28 <ehird> brb in ... 20 mins?
21:53:22 <RodgerTheGreat> check out this thing I ported: http://rodger.nonlogic.org/games/demos/Voxels/
21:55:43 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, can I get it in non-applet format
21:55:58 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, as the java for amd64 is not the plugin part
21:56:08 <RodgerTheGreat> you can run it locally in Appletviewer- that has a good chance of working
21:56:26 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, download url to it?
21:56:36 <RodgerTheGreat> download the source file, and do "javac Grouf.java;appletviewer Grouf.java"
21:58:04 <AnMaster> some rather low resolution balls on some ground
21:58:21 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, what is a voxel?
21:58:45 <RodgerTheGreat> it's like a 3d pixel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voxel
21:59:17 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, and how comes it is 43 FPS all the time, normally it varies slightly
21:59:57 <RodgerTheGreat> well, that's an average FPS counter and the main loop does pretty much the exact same number of calculations each iteration
22:00:25 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, +/- 1-2 FPS when I run other stuff in bg after all
22:01:25 <RodgerTheGreat> well, you can see how I calculate it- it probably does that because I average framerate for the entire length of time the program has been running, rather than the last several seconds
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22:06:33 <RodgerTheGreat> also the way I calculate it truncates decimal points...
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