00:08:16 Oh well 00:19:00 -!- kar8nga has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 00:19:30 -!- mikemorg has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 00:22:06 cool 00:22:13 oklopol: :P 00:22:22 finished my infinite dimension 5-in-a-row game 00:22:25 well 00:22:27 not the game part 00:22:43 oklopol: wow 00:22:45 i wanna see 00:22:47 but the operations on infinite lists and the parser for the code generating them 00:22:50 wanna see what? 00:22:59 my code cannot be read. 00:23:03 but i can put it on a bot! 00:23:11 hmm... 00:23:48 but the operations on infinite lists and the parser for the code generating them 00:23:53 oklopol: why not just use haskell? 00:23:58 infinite list operations == list operations 00:24:08 haskell is tc 00:24:23 how would i check for equality, and subtract? 00:24:40 oklopol: equality's not hard... 00:24:45 umm 00:24:47 oklopol: if you can check pointer locations ... :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDd 00:24:53 it's *impossible*.. 00:25:00 not if you can check pointer locations oklopol 00:25:01 :DD 00:25:04 hmm 00:25:05 okay 00:25:08 check pointer locations for cycle detection 00:25:13 then check that all up to the cycle are equal 00:25:16 that doesn't help. 00:25:20 oklopol: why not 00:25:27 well 00:25:38 to find a five-in-a-row 00:26:38 we must find such five points (a,b,c,d,e) on the board, set by the same player, where for some n!=0 a+4n = b+3n = c+2n = b+n = a 00:26:40 ... 00:26:41 sorry 00:26:53 ...where for some n!=0 a+4n = b+3n = c+2n = d+n = e 00:27:16 pointer locations are worth nothing after the calculations 00:27:24 also 00:27:28 the board is a set 00:27:38 so a point cannot be set twice 00:27:52 meaning you have to check for equality between the new point, and all old points 00:28:23 if you used a tc language to create two points, there would, in the general case, be no way to check for equality 00:28:38 of course, you can crash it anyway, by using too long lists 00:29:06 because checking for equality is O(n), but you can easily create lists with quadrillions of elements 00:29:26 O(n) where n is the length of the generating lists 00:29:44 how much power is there for specifying lists? 00:29:48 and where the generating list of L is the smallest list S for which S*infinity = L 00:30:00 i can explain the language 00:30:11 not very much 00:30:31 == range(args) 00:30:34 in python 00:30:36 basically 00:30:44 = 0..a, inclusive on both ends 00:30:52 = a..b, inclusive on both ends 00:31:07 = a..b, inclusive on both ends, but with step c 00:31:29 inclusion has a quirk there, for (b-a)%c!=0, but not important 00:31:52 [var list expr] iterates through list using var as the iterator variable 00:32:03 and collects results of expr 00:32:07 so 00:32:15 oklopol: why do you need a parser for that 00:32:16 :P 00:32:21 you could just model it as some functions 00:32:30 err 00:32:40 OK! 00:32:42 anyway 00:33:36 ehird: true, usually i can decide whether to parse manually, or use the underlying parser 00:33:51 but that only works until i actually take input from the user 00:33:55 and 00:34:06 oklopol: crazy idea 00:34:08 why the fuck would i model it as functions, when i can make a language just for this? 00:34:10 write a graphical way to program that 00:34:10 aaaaaaaaaaaanyway 00:34:10 XD 00:34:16 in tk or something 00:34:31 [since I guess you'll be adding a gui to this eventually] 00:34:33 [a <50 100> {a 5}], where {...} creates a sequence, this would create the list 50 5 51 5 52 5 53 5... 00:34:43 i'm going to add a bot ui. 00:34:50 i'm a bot man 00:35:27 (...) is an infix expression, like (a + 3) would add 3 to a 00:35:33 you cannot use sequences within () 00:35:38 oklopol: whenever you want people to type in that ... add a graph thingy that shows the code 00:35:43 and buttons to add to it 00:35:43 XD 00:35:46 it'll be hilarious 00:35:51 oklopol: you'll get like people with mirc scripts 00:35:54 but sharing their 'graphs' 00:35:58 and there'll be bot competitions 00:36:03 and people will post screenshots of their bots code 00:36:08 and they'll be frickin' huge sprawling graphs 00:36:12 and that's how they coded it 00:36:15 ah! i now realize some people tend to want to *see* points! 00:36:22 i'm just thinking infinite sequences here 00:36:33 "points" are just so this whole "distance" thing makes any sense. 00:36:38 * SimonRC recalls seeing sine waves and other graphs done on IRC via colours 00:36:39 oklopol: heh 00:36:48 oklopol: anyway, you should provide a way to program the AI players 00:36:51 oklopol: and have it that graphy system thing 00:37:00 hmm, that was the whole language, actually 00:37:06 i think it's quite good 00:37:09 oklopol: 'cause I bet you someone will make a 100-node bot 00:37:11 and then 500-node 00:37:12 you can have 2 points an infinite distance apart 00:37:17 and it'll be sloppy as hell but heck 00:37:25 it'll be an AI coded in a huge .graph 00:37:29 ehird: what are nodes? 00:37:30 and even _made_ that way using some buttons! 00:37:34 SimonRC: how? 00:37:35 oklopol: I mean, i 00:37:36 like this 00:37:38 foo 00:37:39 / 00:37:41 / 00:37:42 you cannot create infinite numbers. 00:37:43 bar# 00:37:45 \ 00:37:48 \ 00:37:50 baz 00:37:51 oklopol: or whatever 00:37:56 you know, it shows your bot program as a graph in the GUI 00:38:04 and you have buttons to link nodes, create notes etc 00:38:10 and you browse through the functions to choose which one to add as a node 00:38:22 and the program runs as a graph 00:38:23 :DDDD 00:38:33 oklopol: you do loops by doing circular node connections 00:38:39 in my example, baz then connecting to foo 00:38:53 do realize i still don't see qhitespace! 00:38:54 oklopol: you can break loops by having a two-connection 'if' node thingy 00:38:57 *whitespace 00:39:02 oklopol: oh, well I just did 'foo' with an arrow pointing to bar 00:39:08 and bar an arrow pointing to baz 00:39:08 okay 00:39:11 oklopol: but 00:39:14 look: 00:39:20 ___X 00:39:22 ___| 00:39:24 ___if 00:39:28 _/__\_ 00:39:32 a____b 00:39:37 oklopol: ysee? if X, then a, else b 00:39:39 oklopol: as a graph! 00:39:40 oklopol: consider the points (1,1,1,1,1,...) and (2,2,2,2,2,...) how far apart are they? 00:39:47 and, like you can do a conditional loop, right? 00:39:49 SimonRC: they are (1,1,1..) apart 00:39:53 oklopol: by connecting a node to itself 00:39:53 ah 00:39:57 but guarded by an if 00:40:03 oklopol: no, I mean the distance, not the displacement 00:40:04 well you can't abs() an infinite vector, silly 00:40:12 oklopol: it'll result in the CRAZIEST AI CODING EVER :DD 00:40:14 and why would you? 00:40:18 oklopol: sometimes you can 00:40:36 anyway, yeah, you are of course correct, the distances can be infinite, although i have no idea what your *point* was. 00:40:48 just saying, that's all 00:40:52 okay! 00:41:02 i'll make the actual game now 00:41:22 and perhaps i can find a freak here who wants to try...? 00:41:40 oklopol: ME 00:41:42 (you're my only hope, as you can prolly guess :D) 00:42:24 oklopol: you should make it infinite-in-a-row though 00:42:30 oklopol: and allow ways for making infinite moves in finite time 00:42:40 oklopol: infinite dimensions + infinite board side + infinite moves = ??? 00:44:05 oklopol: yes?? 00:45:59 oklopol: yes?? 00:47:23 whaaaa 00:47:40 well board size is infinitely extendable 00:47:48 infinite moves at a time? 00:47:50 oklopol: yes but you should make it infinite-in-a-row 00:47:52 how would that work? 00:47:54 ah. 00:47:59 oklopol: of course to win infinite-in-a-row you have to make infinite moves in finite time 00:48:01 so come up with a system for that 00:48:02 but yeah 00:48:10 i'd totally love an inf-d inf-size inf-in-a-row game 00:48:15 :) 00:48:31 well, this is already impossible to play, so we'll save that for later! 00:48:48 okay, the Game class was trivial to make 00:49:01 now just the bot 00:49:05 and we can test it 00:49:11 are you using my tinygame oklopol 00:49:11 :DD 00:49:16 (if you're doing graphix) 00:49:19 umm... for what? :D 00:49:19 if not, you should 00:49:24 heh 00:49:24 oklopol: for the gui version 00:49:24 duh 00:49:25 :D 00:49:29 well i'm not doing graphics 00:49:30 oklopol: you can write your own infinite-d renderer 00:49:33 oklopol: wouldn't that own 00:49:49 and how should i go about projecting infinited->2d? 00:50:13 oklopol: come up with a nifty representation 00:50:17 :) 00:50:32 well, you can always do (n+1)d->nd 00:50:42 perhaps the fold is doable 00:50:52 but... perhaps later! 00:56:51 oklopol: i bet it'll be completely incomprehensible 00:56:52 but pretty 01:00:12 hmm, so that's more like arbitrary-d, where every [arbitrary+1 .. infinity]'th coordinate is zero 01:01:20 olsner: no 01:01:36 it's cyclic 01:02:06 -!- timotiis_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:05:07 oklopol: AND INFINITE 01:06:10 it should support arbitrary number of players now 01:06:33 -!- kmilo has joined. 01:07:04 oklopol: wait wait 01:07:10 infinite dimensions, infinite board size, infinite players 01:07:12 infinite in a row 01:07:17 oklopol: i am a ~ VISIONARY ~ 01:07:19 :D 01:07:23 errr, sure! 01:07:29 oklopol: surely you'd want to play that 01:07:36 oklopol: OH WAIT 01:07:39 nopol... 01:07:45 NEGATIVE DEPTH LISTS OF CO-ORDINATES!!! 01:07:55 ~ HOLY FU @ CKING SHIT ~ 01:08:28 oklopol: YES 01:08:37 wow, you two are making even less sense than usual tonight 01:09:26 olsner: but .. nopol has negative depth lists, right 01:09:28 [already exists] 01:09:28 so 01:09:33 instead of (x,y) as co-ordinates 01:09:37 have it a ~negative depth list~ 01:09:42 `wow` 01:10:34 hmm, should join any minute now 01:11:56 hmmm 01:12:09 oklopol: should join? 01:12:36 whoops 01:12:37 wait a mo 01:14:10 lol 01:14:16 i'm connecting to quakenet :D 01:14:37 -!- inf-anf-oh has joined. 01:14:57 and as usual, i'll debug here for a moment, and try some other channel if it's completely broken 01:14:59 join 01:15:07 @join 01:15:07 -!- inf-anf-oh has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:15:09 :D 01:16:15 -!- inf-anf-oh has joined. 01:16:20 @join 01:16:43 players.append[sender] 01:16:44 ... 01:17:01 -!- inf-anf-oh has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 01:17:06 oklopol: are you evaluting arbitary code? 01:17:16 -!- inf-anf-oh has joined. 01:17:17 what do you mean? 01:17:38 python code or infer code? 01:17:41 @join 01:17:42 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi joined the game. 01:17:45 ... 01:17:45 :D 01:17:48 rrrrright 01:18:04 oklopol: that's almost right 01:18:05 one too many : 01:18:10 and you aren't extracing the nick from the host 01:18:12 oklopol: that is 01:18:14 you are just taking the first arg 01:18:17 :abc!@bv 01:18:19 and that stuff 01:18:23 you need to catch :THIS!... 01:18:31 -!- kmilo has left (?). 01:19:07 -!- inf-anf-oh has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 01:19:37 added sender[1:].split("!")[0] 01:19:39 retry 01:19:53 -!- inf-anf-oh has joined. 01:19:57 @join 01:19:58 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi joined the game. 01:20:00 ... 01:20:01 ASDKJfi 01:20:12 -!- inf-anf-oh has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 01:20:29 -!- inf-anf-oh has joined. 01:20:33 @join 01:20:33 oklopol joined the game. 01:20:38 ehird: join the game 01:20:42 ok 01:20:43 @join 01:20:44 ehird joined the game. 01:20:46 @start 01:20:47 @start 2 01:20:47 Starting game with players: oklopol and ehird. 01:20:47 -!- inf-anf-oh has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:20:50 :D 01:20:51 :DSAF 01:20:58 oklopol: wow 01:21:01 whats up with your chin 01:21:06 it's all.. SAF 01:21:18 -!- inf-anf-oh has joined. 01:21:26 okay let's do that again 01:21:28 @join 01:21:28 oklopol joined the game. 01:21:37 @join 01:21:37 ehird joined the game. 01:21:38 @start 2 01:21:39 Starting game with players: oklopol and ehird. 01:21:39 @start 2 01:21:39 Starting game with players: oklopol and ehird. 01:21:41 :D 01:21:42 hmm 01:21:43 ok 01:21:44 now what 01:21:49 -!- augur has joined. 01:21:59 @start 01:22:09 -!- inf-anf-oh has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:22:11 :O 01:22:46 okay i plain failed @ python 01:22:48 -!- inf-anf-oh has joined. 01:22:50 hi augur 01:22:51 @join 01:22:52 oklopol joined the game. 01:22:58 @start 01:23:00 @start 2 01:23:09 why hello oklopol ;O 01:23:36 @join 01:23:36 ehird joined the game. 01:23:38 @start 2 01:23:39 Starting game with players: oklopol and ehird. 01:23:42 oklopol: nao whut 01:23:55 nao 4 secks 01:24:16 ehird: 01:24:18 oklopol: ... 01:24:19 IM WAITIN' 01:24:20 @move <1 4> 01:24:21 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi succesfully added a piece. 01:24:23 ... 01:24:26 oklopol: oh its fine 01:24:29 just let it be like that 01:24:33 @move <4 7> 01:24:34 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.77.215 succesfully added a piece. 01:24:35 add something 01:24:39 @move [72 63 4] 01:24:42 @move <1 5> 01:24:42 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi succesfully added a piece. 01:24:44 :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 01:24:50 i'll try to make a row, don't kill it 01:24:56 but do move 01:24:56 @move [a <50 100> {a 5}] 01:24:57 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.77.215 succesfully added a piece. 01:25:01 @move paijo 01:25:02 Invalid move. 01:25:02 more than one peice I believe 01:25:08 @move <1 6> 01:25:08 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi succesfully added a piece. 01:25:11 Did I not just place infinite peices oklopol ? 01:25:13 with that loop thing 01:25:16 ehird: no. 01:25:19 [a <50 100> {a 5}], where {...} creates a sequence, this would create the list 50 5 51 5 52 5 53 5... 01:25:21 oh i see 01:25:23 i put one at 01:25:25 (50,5,... 01:25:27 yes. 01:25:31 oklopol: wow 01:25:33 a gui for this will be awesome 01:25:34 :P 01:25:37 okay 01:25:41 btw. you can add the same piece twice, i just realized 01:25:41 but 01:25:45 @move [a <50 100> {a 6}] 01:25:46 add a piece 01:25:46 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.77.215 succesfully added a piece. 01:25:49 i wanna see if it works 01:25:50 okay 01:25:55 @move <1 7> 01:25:55 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi succesfully added a piece. 01:26:00 i should win now 01:26:05 add a pice 01:26:06 piece 01:26:07 @move <1 8> 01:26:08 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.77.215 succesfully added a piece. 01:26:11 bitch 01:26:11 @move <1 3> 01:26:12 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi succesfully added a piece. 01:26:12 :D 01:26:13 aw 01:26:15 fuck. 01:27:25 -!- inf-anf-oh has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 01:27:40 -!- inf-anf-oh has joined. 01:27:41 okay, at least you shouldn't be able to add a piece twice now 01:27:44 @join 01:27:44 oklopol joined the game. 01:27:53 and fixed the nick thing ofc 01:28:01 join, we'll test 01:28:05 @join 01:28:05 ehird joined the game. 01:28:06 @start 2 01:28:07 Starting game with players: oklopol and ehird. 01:28:09 @move <> 01:28:13 @move <0> 01:28:15 @move <0 0> 01:28:18 oklopol: :D 01:28:21 @move <-1 -1> 01:28:24 @move <1 2 3> 01:28:28 oklopol: shit sucks 01:28:30 i move first 01:28:33 @move <5 5> 01:28:33 oklopol succesfully added a piece. 01:28:46 it should detect if you do that again 01:28:51 try @move 4 01:28:53 eh 01:28:55 @move 5 01:29:06 (5..5 * infinity == 5 * infinity) 01:29:19 @move 5 01:29:19 @move 5 01:29:20 @move 5 01:29:20 @move 5 01:29:23 try it!!! :DSDFADSFASDF 01:29:30 oklopol: ok 01:29:32 @move 7 01:29:33 ehird succesfully added a piece. 01:29:39 @move <7 7> 01:29:39 Invalid move. 01:29:41 ! 01:29:43 @move <7 8> 01:29:43 oklopol succesfully added a piece. 01:29:49 see, you had a piece there :) 01:30:11 @move <1 2 3> 01:30:12 ehird succesfully added a piece. 01:30:15 but now... why the fuck don't rows work... 01:30:20 oklopol: i need a gui for this 01:30:20 :P 01:30:58