00:00:48 ihope: yes. 00:01:02 The universe could be the error someone's producing while trying to calculate the sine function, I guess. 00:02:06 ihope: YES 00:07:11 -!- timotiis has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 00:14:00 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 00:14:19 -!- oklopol has joined. 00:16:42 cool' 00:18:37 . 00:19:13 -!- oklofok has joined. 00:19:16 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 00:19:46 OKO 00:28:58 o 00:38:50 -!- Slereah has joined. 00:41:17 Slereah: caek 00:42:05 -!- timotiis_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 00:42:27 -!- oklopol has joined. 00:43:13 oerjan: OK, fuck you. That tv tropes wiki is addictive 00:43:23 Can't...stop...clicking... 00:43:30 BWAHAHA 00:44:27 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 00:45:24 oerjan: my tab bar ... is full 00:45:32 this is like when I click an everything2 link 00:45:43 it's like calling a function and never returning...ever 00:46:36 * oerjan knows 00:48:13 "I thought Wikipedia was crack, but this place beats it hands down." - dmmaus, aka David Morgan-Mar 00:48:35 oerjan: yeah, wikipedia isn't _that_ addictive 00:48:40 i mostly only have about 3 tabs of it 00:49:01 his IWC site is where i found tv tropes from, i think 00:49:22 oerjan: i could never read IWC regularly 00:49:29 it's just .. hard 00:49:37 [to read, regualrly] 00:49:38 *regularly 00:49:45 *groan* 00:50:53 oerjan: *goran*? 00:52:40 huh? 00:52:55 oerjan: I was just contnitung my tpyo-combo 00:55:04 -!- oklofok has joined. 00:55:13 it's hard for us compulsive link-followers - i used to read print encyclopedias that way, years before finding the internet 00:55:38 oerjan: god DAMNIT, I CANNOT HANDLE THIS MANY TABS 00:55:44 it is almost 1am I will never finish reading all these 00:56:28 -!- oklopol has quit (No route to host). 00:56:52 i read a tip for tvtropes on the iwc forum: unplug your network connection and don't put it back in until you've closed all the tabs 00:57:15 oerjan: very clever 00:57:20 but then i'd LOSE IRC 00:57:37 a bit of a problem there 00:57:48 oerjan: I think I need a seperate browser instance so that I don't lose all my other stuff to it 00:58:02 whoa, a lemon demon quote 00:58:03 cool 00:59:07 oerjan: nooo 00:59:08 more tabs 00:59:13 anyway your complaint made me open a tvtropes page myself so chances are i'll pay for this... 01:00:00 although after several iterations i _think_ i may be getting better at not clicking there... 01:01:22 oerjan: you could write a greasemonkey script to delink all of the links 01:01:32 unless you solve, for example, a tricky mathematical equation first 01:01:46 and type 'I promise that I do not have anything better to do.' byte-for-byte 01:01:50 without errors 01:02:13 i see you are getting desperate :D 01:02:50 oerjan: please ;( 01:03:25 of course, for me this _usually_ ends with me closing everything 01:03:50 in a show of pure willpower 01:04:03 oerjan: i have absolutely no willpower 01:04:07 see what you have done?! 01:04:36 oh and i have absolutely no knowledge of greasemonkey, and i'm one of the insane people who use IE (it wasn't always that way) 01:04:56 this timecube guy has some serious communication issues. 01:05:18 oklofok: you don't say 01:05:20 his nonsense is of incredibly low quality 01:05:25 oerjan: wait, you use WINDOWS? eww! 01:05:35 I thought you were INTELLIGENT! 01:05:37 i don't have that much willpower either incidentally, but you only need to do it once 01:05:38 :P 01:05:49 that wasn't always the case either 01:06:28 oerjan: what, did the cabal of the mathematical society force you to torture yourself? 01:06:37 poor thing 01:07:27 no, i got this laptop as a present with XP preinstalled, and i'm too lazy to install linux again 01:08:13 in my experience, IE is byfar the best browser there is :) 01:08:33 OKOALITY 01:09:42 it seems like he's saying something like academia teaching about god 01:10:32 but he mostly talks about singularity 01:10:37 which means nothing. 01:11:07 oklofok: gene ray gave himself the title 'Doctor of Cubism' because academia was too corrupt and evil to give it to him. 01:11:15 and he used to advocate marbles tournaments before that. 01:11:18 so, uh, yeah, good luck 01:11:43 oklofok: oh, and -1*-1=1 is STUPID and EVIL. 01:14:54 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 01:18:54 -!- oklopol has joined. 01:19:52 oklopol: 01:19:55 o 01:22:36 oerjan: i figured out what I want to do in life 01:22:43 I want to make a series that alternates from doing all these tropes 01:22:45 and anti-tropes 01:22:49 at different and overlapping times 01:22:54 just to confuse the fuck out of everyone 01:23:15 i wanna meet this timecube guy 01:24:24 oklopol: he did some debates at mit 01:24:33 he's a straight, plain crackpot 01:25:08 http://www.timecube.com/TheWisestHuman_newimg_GeneRayCube.jpg pretty much says it all 01:25:57 oklopol: HOLY CRAP HE LINKS TO A PARODY SITE 01:25:58 HAHAHAHAHAH 01:28:45 at least you can tell right away he doesn't understand math at all for that -1*-1=-1 thingie 01:29:45 that really means nothing, except perhaps suggesting a new set of axioms for integers 01:30:19 oklopol: oh my wow, apparently cubicao.tk is _serious_ 01:30:21 and the website owner is dead 01:30:24 the mind boggle 01:30:26 s 01:39:11 oklopol: ok, so 01:39:14 cubicao.tk is _serious_ 01:39:17 and the website owner killed himself 01:39:21 because gene ray insulted him 01:39:26 oklopol: :| 01:39:53 ... ok, so he is alive 01:40:04 oklopol: this forum is a fucking confusing blend of satire and seriousness 01:40:29 o 01:40:57 oklopol: ... 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.jpg's don't tend to have links, I find 01:48:09 * oerjan repeats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken for anyone who missed it last time, as it seemed relevant 01:48:56 oerjan: ok, not only does this Cubehead cubicao.tk owner really believe it 01:48:58 but he's _really_ dead 01:49:08 he _really_ killed himself because of gene ray condemning him 01:49:17 gene ray recieved suicide notes over email from him and did nothing, his biggest follower 01:49:19 and before he died 01:49:22 he turned to christianity 01:49:23 and nazism 01:49:27 I wish I were fucking kidding 01:50:41 "Mike also spent his time preening and attempting to peck for food with his neck.[3]" aww 01:51:19 God created only a single 24 hour day 01:51:19 rotation of Earth, while I have created 01:51:19 4 simultaneous 24 hour days within a 01:51:20 single rotation of Earth - therefore, I 01:51:22 am wiser than the word god, and all 01:51:24 word worshipers. 01:51:30 * oklopol is so going to create 17 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An interesting log this'll make :P 17:21:58 We could title it "A casual day on #esoteric" 17:24:09 -!- cmeme has quit. 17:24:20 -!- cmeme has joined. 17:25:13 okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko 17:26:27 -!- cmeme has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:27:54 oklopol 17:28:44 -!- tusho_ has joined. 17:30:23 hello! 17:30:23 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 17:30:25 -!- tusho_ has changed nick to tusho. 17:30:32 do you think this will crash again? 17:30:50 damn you oklopol! :| 17:33:35 -!- tusho has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:41:19 -!- tusho has joined. 17:41:30 LOLZ 17:41:37 wut? 17:43:48 augur: Crashy computer is very crash 17:43:49 y 17:44:07 esoeval: tusho == oklopol 17:44:21 augur: no. 17:44:23 tusho == ehird. 17:46:17 BUT WHO IS EHIRD? 17:46:32 Slereah-: ehird == tusho. 17:46:58 Also, who am I? 17:50:10 In the end, you are the only person missing from the group of all the people that you're not, hence you're an individual, just like everyone else :) 17:50:26 Hiato 2 Electric boogaloo 17:51:25 but yes, I'm also perplexed as to this identity crisis. tush != ehird {print "Understood";};{print "Whycome?";}} 17:51:32 *tusho :P 17:51:55 meh, too many typos spoil the broth 17:52:10 tusho=ehird very much so 17:52:34 and, one more thing. tusho: what on god's gracious earth does your previous statement mean? 17:53:13 Hiato's confusion 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:53:23 Aha, heh 17:54:19 where is oklopol!? :( 17:54:38 i think haskell should be classified as an esolang. 17:54:59 It is so not 17:55:18 It has arithmetic operators and all! :o 17:55:24 You can actually use it! 17:56:10 haskell ain't esoteric by any stretch of the mind 17:56:44 More like EXOTERIC, amirite? 18:04:45 Hm. 18:04:59 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:05:03 Maybe it would be awesomely easy to write limp in scheme or something. 18:05:32 Python doesn't seem like the kind of thing for it. 18:06:42 Slereah-: do it in limp 18:07:30 Self interpreters don't work without the interpreter first :o 18:07:36 Slereah-: yes they do 18:07:41 Well, yes 18:07:42 you just procrastinate on actually writing the interpreter 18:07:46 But you can't test them. 18:07:49 maybe someone else will do it for you 18:08:16 -!- Corun has joined. 18:08:23 I don't see any hand raised. 18:10:06 you can compile a self-interp into some other language and run it that way 18:10:14 that doesn't require you to have an interp first, just a compiler 18:11:06 Wouldn't that be even worse? 18:11:22 probably 18:11:59 But well, I think with scheme or something, it probably won't be too bad. 18:12:10 It's already based on function definitions and lambdas. 18:12:21 Just need to think up for the pi. 18:14:12 Hell, maybe I'll take the even lazier way, too. 18:14:26 Write it in python, to translate the program into scheme. 18:28:50 AIS523 IS HERE AND I'M NOT CRASHING 18:28:52 WHAT. 18:29:11 It's BIZARRO ESOTERIC 18:29:26 it's because so far today I haven't acknowledged your existence in the channel, as soon as I make this comment it'll probably cause your computer to crash based on precedent 18:29:49 * tusho has quit (Read error) 18:30:02 Heh. 18:30:09 nah, that looks nothing like a quit message on my computer 18:30:59 ais523: hey, got that fake paypal-domain-a around? 18:31:14 I don't understand what you're refering to 18:31:18 so the answer is probably no 18:31:31 It's okay ais523, we're not going to snitch on you 18:31:43 You can tell us of your fellonies 18:31:52 but what if I don't have any? 18:31:59 ais523: the unicode 'a' that was used in the fake 'paypal.com' domain 18:32:18 ah, I can probably find some very a-like character if I look hard enough 18:32:44 But would it display as a in most computers? 18:33:04 Browsers seem to not like unicode that much 18:33:24 Slereah-: kinda 18:33:34 Well, there's a fake letter a in this sentence but it looks really different in this font 18:33:59 /nick ais523 18:34:10 does it look like an a to other people? 18:34:15 /me has quit (CONNECTION RESET BY TUSHO FOR NOT BELIEVING MY QUIT, HA) 18:34:16 It displays as 1/2 a square here 18:34:17 i miss my oklopol 18:34:22 ::pines:: 18:34:24 ais523: it looks like an a but really different 18:34:29 it's the Shift-JIS a, i believe 18:34:30 FOR THE FJORDS? 18:34:39 no hes finnish not norwegian 18:34:41 excuse me may i pass through here 18:34:43 aw 18:34:46 doesn't copy-paste properly 18:34:49 i dont think they have fjords in fi- OH I SEE 18:34:51 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDN_homograph_attack 18:34:58 homograph 18:35:00 a graph of homos 18:35:04 ::is on that graph:: 18:35:04 well, this capital Α looks a lot more realistic 18:35:10 U+0430 = а 18:35:24 ааааааа 18:35:30 what? 18:36:15 heh, I want rnozilla.org 18:36:29 does anyone have it yet? 18:36:35 don't think so 18:36:52 that's possibly trademark infringement, you have to be careful 18:36:52 ais523: urgh they own it 18:36:57 mr mozilla corporation 18:37:00 and hell no 18:37:07 what's wrong with saying R N Z I L L A? 18:37:23 if it's similar-looking enough to a trademark, and you use it for similar things, it's an infrigement 18:37:30 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 18:37:31 s/ge/nge/ 18:37:43 ais523: trademark law is phunny 18:37:44 likewise if it's similar-sounding 18:39:23 ais523: whut is this: http://pt.wíkipedia.org/ 18:39:24 I wonder if you can register domain names that are canonically equivalent to an existing domain name, but not the exact same sequence of bytes 18:39:30 uncyclopedia clone? 18:39:36 Asztal: yes 18:45:11 ais523: i have an evil perl idea 18:45:33 * ais523 wonders how evil it is and the chances that it's already been done 18:45:42 ais523: it involves source filters 18:45:54 well, several evil Perl things do 18:46:00 ACME::Pythonic for instance 18:46:19 ais523: it uses source filters to create a content management system 18:46:26 OK, that is evil 18:46:39 ais523: #ircnomic-flood for an example 18:48:30 -!- kar8nga has joined. 18:49:13 ais523: mwahaha 18:49:25 you know the worst thing? i'm actually considering making my site like that 18:49:40 ais523: it'd be slightly less evil if you put it all after __END__ 18:49:41 but less fun 18:49:44 that's much the same as using __END__ 18:49:47 heh, snap 18:50:01 ais523: come on, are you no golfer? 18:50:16 ais523: can you even use DATA in an imported module anyway? 18:50:20 hmm... but you need more extra code in the library if you do that 18:50:20 it'd have to be like 18:50:23 and not sure 18:50:23 [[ 18:50:27 #!/usr/bin/env perl 18:50:31 use ArticleThingy; 18:50:38 print_it_out(DATA); 18:50:38 __END__ 18:50:39 ... 18:50:39 ]] 18:50:44 which is FAR LESS EVIL 18:51:27 yes, but sensible 18:51:40 of course, in #esoteric, that's a downside 18:51:49 ais523: ok, but I wouldn't actually want to write my site like that 18:51:50 it'd be annoying 18:51:59 my way saves 2 lines 18:52:08 you just have to add two lines to the start of your doc, really 18:53:17 -!- timotiis has joined. 18:53:32 ais523: should I actually use my evil way to write my website 18:53:39 it's up to you 18:53:43 which website, anyway? 18:53:47 eso-std.org? 18:53:52 ais523: probably, yeah 18:53:59 go for it 18:54:03 oh, and mine can even embed arbitary perl 18:54:09 as Template Toolkit has a [% PERL %] block 18:54:11 [% PERL %] 18:54:12 arbitary perl 18:54:14 [% END %] 18:54:23 so you can do cgis with it and stuff 18:54:25 totally evil 18:55:45 what about messing with the headers? 18:55:52 CGIs need to do that sometimes 18:57:28 ais523: it would check if it's already sent I guess 18:57:38 so that it only sends them if you didn't manually 18:57:55 ais523: 'sub post_stuff($$$$$$$$$$$$$$)' -- wakaba source 18:57:57 in PHP you need to write the bit too many arguments. 18:58:12 so it gets screwed up by byte-order marks 18:58:14 ais523: mine will buffer all output before sending it, though 18:58:19 (you can tell php to do that too) 18:59:55 ais523: the weird thing about perl is that evil hacks aren't 'non-best-practices' 19:00:04 because the 'do what works and damn everyone else' attitude is encouraged 19:00:05 it scares me 19:00:18 because i'm so used to hearing "why do you want to do that?" 19:02:25 ais523: well, I guess you like this because it means eso-std.org will be written 19:02:25 :P 19:02:47 well, it's appropriate for a website about esolangs 19:03:00 less so for a website about, say, coding practices 19:03:02 first, though, i'm going to write a storygen clone (to get my CGI.pm skillz) and some kind of command-line text adventure game in perl 19:03:07 since I am le noob 19:03:32 What, I go eating and you start to talk? 19:03:36 What conspiracy is this 19:03:52 hey, there was a conversation in here when I /got here/ 19:03:54 we hate you Slereah- 19:03:54 that hardly ever happens 19:04:06 No cake for you! 19:04:13 tusho: speak for yourself 19:05:11 ais523: i do 19:05:13 quite often in fact 19:05:39 Unlike Stephen Hawking 19:05:43 *rimshot* 19:06:08 ha 19:06:37 hmm... newspaper appears to be a better surface to use as a mousemat than leather 19:09:00 -!- Slereah- has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 19:10:16 ais523: perl is such a horrific lovely language. 19:10:35 -!- Slereah- has joined. 19:10:38 it's like anal sex 19:10:38 it's true to what it was designed for 19:11:00 ais523: i'm gonna complain to pavitra about his vote 19:11:03 i.e. explain what abstain means 19:11:34 Why is the first line I see "It's like anal sex" 19:11:39 Are we discussing Malbolge? 19:11:47 [[Pavitra: In perlnomic, 'abstain' means 'revise this proposal': not 'no real opinion, reduce quorum'. Your current draft proposal seems to imply you believe it is, or should be, the latter. If this is news to you, could you flip your vote to for? Thanks.]] 19:11:54 laments comment appears to be completely out of contet 19:12:02 i don't think there's any errors with that 19:12:09 tusho: explain that's for PerlNomic proposals, it has the regular meaning in Agora-mirrored proposals 19:12:10 ais523: it was re my perl remark 19:12:29 [[(Oh, but Agoran proposals use it to mean 'reduce quorum'. This is confusing, go figure.)]] 19:12:31 possibly point to the human_readable_rules too 19:12:58 right, commented 19:14:06 yep, I actually knew you'd commented before you did 19:14:25 I have my RSS feed reader set up to alert me within a few minutes whenever anything happens on PerlNomic, and it got the timing just right 19:14:44 s/before you did/before you told me/ 19:15:00 ais523: you are very sad 19:15:02 :P 19:15:06 * tusho sets that up 19:15:11 not really, it was easy to set up 19:15:35 ais523: what feed reader do you use? 19:15:49 Akregator 19:15:51 it was the only one on here 19:15:58 and it seems to work fine 19:16:49 Sheesh: Liferea won't notify me of updates. 19:16:52 It doesnt' have an option for it 19:17:06 Trying with "/usr/bin/lynx -source" to get 19:17:06 ftp://ftp.perl.org/pub/CPAN/authors/id/P/PM/PMQS/CHECKSUMS 19:17:08 [Error] Sheesh: No such nick/channel. 19:17:09 [[...hang...]] 19:17:36 Akregator sits in the notification area and shows a number when there are updates 19:18:07 oh, and both Akregator and Konversation can be sucked into their notification area icon to unclutter the taskbar if needed 19:24:46 beh. 19:26:13 ais523: #perl is utterly unhelpful. 19:26:24 what did you try to ask them? 19:26:33 ais523: why cpan is hanging: 19:26:33 'Trying with "/usr/bin/lynx -source" to get ftp://ftp.perl.org/pub/CPAN/authors/id/P/PM/PMQS/CHECKSUMS [And then, CPAN hangs]' 19:26:49 maybe they don't know 19:27:00 it's not as if I ever use CPAN anyway 19:27:13 ais523: everyone uses cpan. 19:27:14 most of the more popular Perl models are in the Ubuntu repos so I get them that way 19:27:16 you don't, but everyone does. 19:27:44 $ apt-cache search perligata 19:27:44 libromana-perligata-perl - perl module for writing in Latin 19:28:14 ais523: does it have continuity? 19:28:25 what do you mean by continuity here? 19:29:08 an apt-cache search on the word "continuity" only turns up Seamonkey, which uses that word incidentally in its description 19:29:18 ais523: it's a perl module. 19:29:25 no, it doesn't have it 19:29:29 * ais523 does apt-cache search the 19:29:35 and gets a massive list back 19:31:18 " Don't parse html with regular expressions!" yes, although I occasionally parse XML with regular expressions when it's in a known format and I only want to grab a bit of the data 19:31:42 ais523: haha, are you in #perl now 19:31:48 otherwise, I use JSON, JavaScript has a built in JSON parser and it's the lang I normally use 19:31:54 tusho: I'm just lurking 19:31:55 # Error: Can't locate Coro/Event.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/ehird/.cpan/build/Continuity-0.993/blib/lib /home/ehird/.cpan/build/Continuity-0.993/blib/arch /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/ehird/.cpan/build/Continuity-0.993/blib/lib/Continuity.pm line 201. 19:31:59 fdfdfdfdfsdfsdfsdgffdgsfgsdfgfsdgsf 19:32:03 I INSTALLED CORO::EVENT 19:32:04 5 TIMES 19:32:06 IT INSTALLS FINE 19:32:11 for things that tend to receive the sort of object that's normally written in HTML, that is 19:32:45 s/HTML/XML/ 19:33:04 ais523: JSON is le cool. 19:33:13 yes 19:33:29 XML is a markup language, whereas JSON is a serialisation language 19:33:37 but people tend to use XML where JSON would be appropriate 19:33:47 ais523: yep 19:33:56 is there a JSON version of XSLT, I wonder? 19:33:56 JSON isn't revolutionary though. 19:34:01 It's pretty damn uncontroversial. 19:34:08 ais523: uhh, yeah. They call them 'programming languages' 19:34:30 no, I mean in particular 19:34:33 rather than in general 19:34:53 like some version of XSLT that can read JSON rather than XML 19:36:41 -!- Hiato has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 19:38:05 WOO CONTINUITY INSTALLS 19:38:06 OH YEAH 19:39:00 What's a good Scheme tutorial? 19:41:15 SICP? 19:42:18 yeah, SICP. 19:42:20 "SYNDICAT INDEPENDANT DES COMMISSAIRES DE POLICE"? 19:42:22 it's heavy on the theory. 19:42:35 also, if you read your SICP today, you are an EXPERT PROGRAMMER 19:42:39 "Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs 19:42:41 Slereah-: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ 19:42:41 ? 19:42:48 Slereah-: you have to read SICP anyway 19:42:52 http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html oh lawd is 'dat sum full text? 19:42:59 it's not about scheme, it's about life, the universe and everything 19:43:10 but you learn scheme as a side effect 19:43:23 Well, I do dig the logo 19:43:39 With the arabic dude and the fat French revolutionary woman. 19:43:44 -!- Hiato has joined. 19:45:26 "This book is dedicated, in respect and admiration, to the spirit that lives in the computer." 19:45:42 I hope I don't have a ghost in my computer. 19:46:36 Is it... actually about Scheme? 19:46:44 I fail to see the word in the index. 19:48:07 Slereah-: All the code is in scheme. 19:48:12 Read it from the beginning. 19:48:36 [[ 19:48:37 Technical Information (for support personnel) 19:48:37 * Go to Microsoft Product Support Services and perform a title search for the words HTTP and 404. 19:48:37 ]] 19:48:45 from a Microsoft 404 page 19:48:53 on Outlook Web Access 19:49:04 I expected some actual technical information in the technical information section... 19:49:05 Slereah-: Besides, GJS, one of the writers, invented scheme. 19:49:09 like referer 19:49:13 Along with Guy Steele 19:49:26 ... 19:49:31 Guy Steele. 19:49:34 The other ones are not that godly, they're merely complete gurus of scheme. :P 19:49:35 Is he a super hero? 19:49:43 Slereah-: Yes, and he now works at sun/. 19:49:49 Doing java shit, of all things. 19:49:51 He helped make java. 19:50:25 * Slereah- imagines Steel Guy, working on the sun 19:50:47 Probably punching nuns and orphans. 19:51:38 -!- Slereah- has changed nick to Slereah. 19:54:31 ais523: eso-std.org's pastebin will be AMAZINGLY AWESOME. 19:55:07 hmm... I may have to write an INTERCAL syntax highlighter for it 19:55:15 although you could just use the Emacs mode, it gets things mostly right 19:55:25 ... eso-std? 19:55:33 I lost all hope of ever seeing it! 19:55:48 Slereah: ditto. 19:55:49 hey, the C-INTERCAL development sources are stored there at the moment 19:56:07 so you can check out an unreleased under-development version if you like 19:56:18 which is quite a way ahead of the previous release by now 20:00:03 "Computational processes are abstract beings that inhabit computers." 20:00:13 Reading this, I imagine a lot of ghosts in the computer 20:00:26 Is Steel Guy fighting those evil goblins? 20:01:20 ais523: how do I pass a variable reference to a sub and use it in perl again? 20:01:43 there are two ways, I'll tell you the way that doesn't involve prototypes as it's clearer 20:01:56 you call the sub as subname(\$var) 20:02:05 "In effect, we conjure the spirits of the computer with our spells." 20:02:13 when inside the sub, you assign that reference to a variable using my $reftovar = shift; 20:02:15 This isn't a book about life, the universe and the rest. 20:02:20 and use the variable as $$reftovar 20:02:25 Slereah: shut up and read. 20:02:29 It's the rulebook of Scheme or something 20:02:51 Methinks that constantly being cynical for the sake of it while reading SICP will not help you learn schem,e 20:03:04 Yes, but it helps me to lulz 20:03:23 Slereah: I assume you are trying to learn Scheme instead of 'lulz'. 20:03:28 If that is the case, I'd change your strategy. 20:03:34 "A computational process is indeed much like a sorcerer's idea of a spirit." 20:03:39 It's hard though. 20:03:51 He hangs on hard to his metaphore. 20:05:04 Slereah: Look, it's the metaphor that SICP is based around. 20:05:11 Take it seriously even if it has more than a trace of whimsy. 20:05:38 So... what's Scheme in the metaphore? 20:06:14 "They are carefully composed from symbolic expressions in arcane and esoteric programming languages" 20:06:16 Heh. 20:06:31 that's a different meaning of 'esoteric', right? 20:06:43 Yes. 20:06:47 But it still made me laugh. 20:07:00 Slereah: Can you just read instead of asking us? 20:07:31 Calm down sir. 20:07:34 I am reading. 20:07:43 well, it's lead to an interesting conversation, well, argument 20:09:34 ais523: Hm. How can I does keyword args in perl? 20:09:39 Does %_ work or must I manually convert it? 20:10:16 well, if the args are given as (name1 => arg1, name2 => arg2) and so on 20:10:21 and you know you're getting keyword args 20:10:28 then you can do my %_ = @_ 20:10:34 clever 20:10:39 my ($q, $title, %_) = @_; 20:10:40 does that work> 20:10:42 *work? 20:10:46 well yes 20:10:54 ais523: 'well'? 20:11:01 I'll call it %actions I guess 20:11:03 if you call it as ($q, $title, name1 => arg1, name2 => arg2) 20:11:07 yes 20:11:22 => is really a fancy-looking comma, but it also causes barewords before it to be interpreted as strings 20:11:26 which looks slightly nicer 20:11:50 oh, BTW, KDE fixed Bug 163168 already 20:11:58 that was fast, I only reported it yesterday 20:13:32 heh 20:13:34 what wsa the fix? 20:13:35 *was 20:13:42 not allowing queries to channels 20:13:48 which doesn't make sense 20:14:08 for my $action (keys %actions) { 20:14:11 is there something fishy with that? 20:14:11 what I did turned out to be a convoluted way to write /query #esoteric 20:14:13 it's parsing oddly 20:14:21 tusho: it looks right 20:14:31 try dumping %actions to see if it's what you expect it to be 20:14:38 ais523: no, it's a parse error. 20:14:48 ahh 20:14:50 what's the error message? 20:14:52 %q{...} isn't a string? 20:14:56 syntax error at hello.pl line 32, near "%q{" 20:15:12 what's immediately before that? 20:15:23 $q->print(%q{}); 20:15:24 oh, and you mean $q{} 20:15:30 ah 20:15:30 thanks 20:15:35 no i don't ais523 20:15:36 :| 20:15:41 It's a quoted string thing 20:15:43 is it %qq? 20:15:53 ah 20:15:53 just q{} 20:15:55 it's q{} 20:16:09 ais523: is there a q that does interpolation?> 20:16:11 qq 20:16:27 aha 20:16:31 also known as " but sometimes, like here, you don't want to use that 20:16:59 of the quoting characters, ' defaults to q, " defaults to qq, ` defaults to qx, / defaults to m 20:17:33 ais523: hmph, I can't use %actions 20:17:35 I need it sorted 20:17:51 for my $action (sort keys %actions) { 20:18:00 ais523: I need it sorted in call order. 20:18:04 So: Manual processing, here I come. 20:18:12 oh, yes, hashes are unordered 20:18:22 what if someone does the same action twice? 20:18:29 ais523: you don't. 20:18:41 ais523: hm, how do I get index & value in a loop over an array? 20:18:44 I'll just check for oddity. 20:18:51 er, evenity because of 0-indexing 20:19:32 well, it's possible to do things like while(@_) {my $index = shift; my $value = shift;} 20:19:42 clever, clever 20:19:46 remove elements from the array one at a time 20:26:47 "A small bug in a computer-aided design program, for example, can lead to the catastrophic collapse of an airplane or a dam or the self-destruction of an industrial robot." 20:26:51 DES-TROY! 20:26:57 EX-TER-MI-NATE! 20:28:40 Slereah: context? 20:29:02 Is there really need for a context? 20:29:12 ihope: Slereah is reading SICP and failing to learn scheme because he's busy making fun of it 20:29:50 Well, it's not my fault that it's so funny! 20:30:07 only 'cause you're making fun of it. 20:31:03 -!- HanDongSeong has joined. 20:31:36 You can't put robots in a book not about robots without making it funny! 20:33:00 where is my oklopol?! :( 20:33:51 augur: Gay sexing, presumably. 20:33:57 :( 20:33:58 It's all he ever does. 20:34:01 i want his gaysexing :( 20:35:23 ... 20:36:17 HanDongSeong: welcome to #esoteric 20:36:28 were you expecting perhaps non-gay-sex-related discussions? 20:36:29 this channel ought not to be like that 20:36:37 tusho: welcome 20:36:45 ais523: aww, but it's fun 20:36:49 it would be nice if we could, for once, actually discuss esolangs 20:36:50 It should have more robot discussions. 20:36:50 i've been a member of here like a year ago 20:36:56 ... 20:37:00 HanDongSeong: I was responding to '...' 20:37:01 Where's egobot? 20:37:03 ais523: we do. 20:37:12 we just also discuss gay sex, and sometimes the blend of the two 20:37:13 tusho: you should have said "You must be new here" 20:37:20 ais523: that's longer 20:37:23 :p 20:37:36 yes, but it has the right meaning 20:37:43 getting the right meaning is pretty important in programming 20:38:16 ais523: i'll ambiguate up your syntax parser 20:38:16 well, now i can see it changed a lot 20:38:19 if you know what I mean. 20:38:21 (see, a blend!) 20:38:32 ais doesnt realize we're actually discussiong the ButtSex esolang 20:38:33 I don't know what you mean 20:38:52 last time when i was here i couldn't sense a shade of gay stuff 20:38:59 yes, much the same 20:39:02 it's become a new meme 20:39:07 and not a particularly interesting one 20:39:14 ais523: it's not a meme 20:39:18 yes it is 20:39:19 it's just what oklopol and bsmntbombdood did in their spare time 20:39:21 so we took it up. 20:39:31 well, about a year ago some people actually discussed about the sex ratio of this channel 20:39:33 your name is HanDongSeong and you couldn't send the gayness? 20:39:52 err... does it sound gay? 20:39:58 are you a guy? 20:40:00 as far as I could tell the channel was almost but not quite 100% male back then 20:40:05 do you know what a DONG is? 20:40:10 ais523: still is, almost 20:40:14 a few females in here 20:40:21 yes 20:40:24 there are GIRLS who do esolangs? what nonsense is this 20:40:27 Fun note: when I was processing the logs for ROBOT9000 lament said something along the lines of that it would be nice if we discussed esolangs at one point instead of manga and our lack of social lives 20:40:40 so I wouldn't say much as changed, if you replace manga and the lack of our social lives with gay sex 20:40:44 did you actually put a robot9000 version in here? 20:40:50 ais523: nope, it segfaulted 20:40:58 I guess it's possible that lament's female. 20:41:11 you should be capable of patching around a segfault 20:41:14 lament isnt female, he's just a closet homo. 20:41:25 And we all know GregorR is. 20:41:34 lament's name is nikita. 20:41:35 it's a transliteration of my Korean name 20:41:36 but no. :P 20:41:38 but well 20:41:45 Hmm. 20:41:48 Dong could sound weird, yeah 20:41:55 I name kar8nga next. 20:41:57 ihope: How dare you suggest that, to prove that I'm not I shall rape you into submission!!! 20:41:58 dong means dildo 20:42:03 not that im making fun of your name 20:42:04 but 20:42:04 Nikita Ayzikovsky 20:42:13 Uh oh! 20:42:29 maybe i should just use my traditional nickname... 20:42:29 GregorR: can I have some of that? 20:42:32 -!- HanDongSeong has changed nick to uvanta. 20:42:47 * tusho watches as ais523 leaves in a huff again 20:42:57 -!- ais523 has left (?). 20:43:42 I wonder what the new c-intercal release is like. 20:44:47 its like an indian guy named sukdeep 20:45:20 Or a chinese guy named Wang ZeDong. 20:45:55 c-intercal. 20:46:31 Actually there's a common surname Seok (sounds like Suck) here in Korea, and one of them named himself Richard for international use, made a name card saying "Dick Seok" ... 20:47:23 ceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee intercal 20:47:53 uvanta: either he's a genius or he's an idiot 20:48:06 it's just an accident, i think 20:48:28 I hear C-INTERCAL supports gay sex now. 20:48:42 how should he know what Dick really means 20:49:02 C-INTERCAL's gay sex extension is very stable. 20:49:21 it's not in any of Korean school curriculum 20:49:49 maybe he should have ask some native English speaker but 20:49:57 asked* 20:50:54 always get your foreign name vetted first 20:50:56 always 20:51:56 okay then 20:52:17 augur: can you recommend me a decent male English name? 20:52:29 uvanta: niffiducker 20:52:44 whats your korean name again? 20:52:48 not your family name your personal name 20:52:54 Han is my surname 20:53:05 DongSeong is my first name 20:53:12 Dong Seong 20:53:13 hm 20:53:39 You could do Don 20:53:43 Handon! 20:53:53 like in Donald? 20:53:57 yeah. 20:53:57 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 20:53:59 tho just Don 20:54:26 hmm 20:54:32 isn't it too short 20:54:33 it sounds close to dong would in english 20:54:36 uh 20:54:39 too short? 20:54:45 alternatively, daniel is a nice name 20:55:11 Daniel Han 20:55:24 thats your name. daniel han. 20:55:26 it's nice but i can name three of my friends who named themselves Daniel in English... 20:55:33 damnit. 20:55:42 how about 20:55:47 Johnathan-Schmidtzenheimer 20:55:56 cool. 20:55:57 John is good 20:56:11 augur: John is lame. Johnathan-Schmidtzenheimer 4eva! 20:56:15 lies. 20:56:25 nickname for guys named John is Jack 20:57:12 too common 20:57:43 well, in fact i don't want to name myself after someone in Bible 20:57:45 not too common. 20:58:14 john is #20 in the us in 2006 20:58:30 augur: there were three professors with the name John in my last semester 20:58:42 crazy 20:59:09 ok 20:59:17 seong -> sean/shawn? 20:59:24 ... 20:59:28 that's my best friend's name 20:59:31 lmfao 20:59:42 what are you 20:59:44 damn koreans. :P 20:59:45 a god? 20:59:54 how do you know me 21:00:07 and all the people around me 21:00:24 http://www.babynamewizard.com/voyager#prefix=&ms=true&sw=m&exact=false 21:00:29 pick one and be done with it. :P 21:02:37 afk 21:03:56 what about 21:03:57 Haskell 21:04:52 -!- ihope has quit ("I am still here."). 21:05:44 uvanta: YES 21:05:49 Haskell B. Curry 21:05:52 Haskell B. Curry Lisp 21:06:37 I knew of a dog named Haskell 21:06:41 it died ;_; 21:06:59 The black guy in Cube 0 is named Haskell, IIRC 21:09:11 -!- ihope has joined. 21:19:58 tusho: are you stalking me? 21:25:02 yes. 21:25:26 you're not very good at it. 21:27:56 ARE YOU SURE? 21:27:59 LOOK BEHIND YOU 21:34:48 -!- olsner has joined. 21:52:50 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:53:24 -!- Judofyr has joined. 21:54:02 -!- kar8nga has left (?). 21:56:29 la. 21:56:34 haskell is an esolang. 21:57:05 ITS A FUCKING ESOLANG 21:57:13 it has the most convoluted type system in the universe 21:57:18 augur: uh no 21:57:20 the type system is trivial 21:57:23 Types are for queers. 21:57:42 tusho: you lie 21:57:59 haskell functions are all embedded lambdas 21:58:03 haskell's type system isn't even TC without evil extensions 21:58:36 i rather love haskell tho. 21:58:42 for all its insanity 21:59:10 Haskell has too much monads for me. 21:59:13 augur: what about Clean then 21:59:18 havent seen clean 21:59:20 link? 21:59:21 (Too much = > 0) 21:59:29 have you decide on a name, uvanta? 21:59:35 not really 22:00:14 Clean uses something called uniqueness type instead of monad 22:00:20 it is purely functional, too 22:00:42 it recorded faster performance than haskell in some benchmarks 22:00:43 HASKELL IS FOR FAGGOTS 22:00:57 uvanta: clean suffers from being completely obscure 22:01:00 it might even be good 22:01:01 but 22:01:09 its creators seem bent on keeping it unknown 22:01:29 http://www.phoodie.info/2008/05/30/food-blob-drink-up/ 22:01:36 wtfsweden 22:01:37 well, at least they GPLed it 22:01:48 -!- oklopol has joined. 22:04:24 -!- jfredett has joined. 22:05:37 -!- RedDak has joined. 22:05:56 mcdonalds does not have a reputation for any kind of quality in sweden, so I'm not surprised they have to work hard to make an impression 22:06:42 Does it have a reputation for quality anywhere? 22:07:25 women have a reputation for quality in sweden 22:07:25 I'd expect coffee at mcdonalds to taste like something half-way between piss and burnt bacon 22:07:48 it's more like three-quarters bacon, although that's probably regional 22:08:41 Sounds delicious. 22:09:03 bacon coffee. 22:09:04 amazing. 22:09:08 chocolate bacon coffee. 22:09:11 I died. 22:09:25 o_O 22:09:59 Is it kosher? 22:10:04 Slereah: bacon salt is 22:10:07 so probably1 22:10:10 *probably! 22:23:27 Bacon salt? Is that any different from ordinary salt? 22:23:45 it's salt that's made out of bacon 22:23:50 no 22:23:56 it's salt that makes things taste like bacon 22:24:03 http://www.baconsalt.com/ 22:24:04 Bacon bits 22:24:19 is there a salt that makes things taste like ass? 22:24:28 lament: mcdonald's joke 22:24:29 it is called asssalt? 22:30:42 Ass salt and buttery 22:30:50 (It's a butt-tasting butter) 22:50:16 -!- ais523 has joined. 22:56:41 -!- RedDak has quit ("Killed (NickServ (Comando GHOST usato da DIO))"). 23:07:52 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 23:09:47 -!- tusho_ has joined. 23:09:51 -!- tusho has quit (Nick collision from services.). 23:10:09 -!- tusho_ has changed nick to tusho. 23:15:36 -!- nice_ka has joined. 23:23:59 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 23:24:10 -!- Slereah- has joined. 23:25:47 Does the cond of Scheme works like the one of Lisp? 23:26:05 I would imagine so. 23:26:11 That is, every predicate is evaluated one after the other, so it doesn't matter if two are true at the same time 23:28:05 yes 23:30:28 'kay. 23:39:06 -!- Slereah- has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 23:39:21 -!- Slereah- has joined. 23:39:25 >:| 23:39:32 INTERNEEEEEEEEEEEEEET 23:40:43 Internets 23:41:12 -!- ais523 has quit ("(1) DO COME FROM ".2~.2"~#1 WHILE :1 <- "'?.1$.2'~'"':1/.1$.2'~#0"$#65535'"$"'"'&.1$.2'~'#0$#65535'"$#0'~#32767$#1""). 23:55:18 -!- Corun has joined. 23:59:43 -!- nice_ka has quit (Remote closed the connection).