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00:34:03 <lament> ihope: if you join ##C as ihope____, you'd get banned
00:35:15 <ihope> === simmons.freenode.net banned *__*!*@* from ##c on Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:28:56 PM.
00:35:20 <ihope> Looks like I'd already be banned.
00:36:13 <lament> ##C used to be such a great channel, but i think that was before they introduced that ban
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02:05:24 <RodgerTheGreat> I drew a comic about my fish: http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/images/1214442090-naggc.png
02:27:26 <Slereah> Your fish does not love you
02:27:53 <RodgerTheGreat> the only emotions I ever see are rage, hunger and sleep
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02:29:27 <RodgerTheGreat> but then again, bettas are basically like very tiny, angry sharks
02:31:35 <Slereah> It does not look very shark like.
02:32:38 <RodgerTheGreat> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fb/Redbettafish.jpg
02:33:27 <Slereah> (I'm assuming a male fish, somehow)
02:33:43 <RodgerTheGreat> and that's definitely a male. Bettas are sexually dimorphic.
02:34:07 <RodgerTheGreat> for comparison, a female: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Betta_splendens_female.jpg
02:34:58 <Slereah> Her husband stole all her red lipstick, apparently
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03:13:06 * oerjan finally manages to dig up that ancient signature: "Paul L. Kelly, whose world famous bright red Siamese fighting fish is, milligram for milligram, the fiercest creature on the planet."
03:18:49 <Slereah> I'm trying to place "It should be in a museum!" somewhere.
03:21:17 * oerjan found it in http://pieceoftheuniverse.net/rhod/injoke.shtml, which is almost sort of a museum
03:43:38 <Slereah> The Portal song just make me so goddamn happy
03:43:49 <Slereah> It's like a little ray of sunshine.
03:46:24 <Slereah> Re-reading Discworld books, I notice that there's a lot of repeating exposition.
03:46:51 <Slereah> I know that not everyone read them all, but it can get annoying when you read them in a row.
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05:53:22 <adu> hows the esoteric langs going?
06:04:24 <ihope> Extend it as far as you want: oy vey vei vey vei vey vei vey vei vey vei vey vei vey vei vey vei vey vei vey vei vey vei...
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06:07:44 <Slereah> http://img.lulz.net/src/1214343427.kamilya_newhair.jpg
06:07:56 <Slereah> http://img.lulz.net/src/Awesome_IRL.jpg
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06:32:56 <augur> someone needs to shop that pic onto the deathstar
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12:30:30 <GregorR[Prague]> Plof spec updated, more bits about the user language added.
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16:11:13 <tusho> lament: that ban makes no sense
16:24:20 <AnMaster> GenerateArithmeticOP(ADD, 32, +=, u, U, uint)
16:24:34 <tusho> AnMaster: uh whatever
16:24:36 <AnMaster> GenerateArithmeticOP is a define
16:25:10 <AnMaster> http://rafb.net/p/PTrnnB22.html
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16:26:26 <AnMaster> tusho, and here is how I use it http://rafb.net/p/DKmb5N72.html
16:28:13 <AnMaster> tusho, oh btw: only floating point and SYS instructions left to do
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17:07:48 <tusho> don't be violent to usho, Sgeo
17:22:45 <tusho> 'however humans cannot fly while awake.' - Wikipedia
17:23:31 <tusho> I just quote the wikipedia.
17:23:35 <tusho> DO NOT QUESTION ITS KNOWLEDGE.
17:23:40 <tusho> It knows that humans cannot fly while awake.
17:23:58 <tusho> AnMaster: Well, I didn't know it!
17:24:03 <tusho> It's very useful knowledge.
17:24:09 <tusho> Beforehand, I thought that humans flew all the time while awake.
17:24:14 <tusho> Turns out I'm wrong! Thanks Wikipedia!
17:28:44 <AnMaster> <oklopol> it's perfectly true <-- yes. so is "it is dark at night, unless there is a forest fire", still hardly useful
17:29:48 <Sgeo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakefulness
17:29:48 <tusho> AnMaster: Wow. Another thing I learned today.
17:33:02 <AnMaster> tusho, you only know esoteric programming?
17:33:12 <tusho> AnMaster: What's that?
17:33:39 <AnMaster> Sgeo, anyway that article is completely silly
17:35:23 <tusho> it makes too many assumptions
17:35:27 <tusho> e.g. i'm pretty sure animals can listen
17:35:35 <tusho> still, if you see the box at the top, someone noticed
17:35:44 <oklopol> AnMaster: except yours isn't as true
17:35:51 <tusho> oklopol: is it not?
17:35:54 <tusho> wow, 3 things i've learned today
17:36:06 * Sgeo can't wait to try the advanced DV task of the month..
17:36:15 <oklopol> tusho: forest fire is hardly the most probably thing to light up the night.
17:36:32 <Sgeo> I don't think I should leak what it is..
17:37:04 <AnMaster> "the night is darker than the day assuming there are no forest fires or other natural disasters/phenomena/lamppoles/other stuff causing increased light level"
17:37:19 <Sgeo> Site about lucid dreaming
17:37:21 <tusho> (dreamviews is a lucid dreaming site, right? pretty sure I've seen it linked)
17:37:25 <tusho> Sgeo: I meant the task thing.
17:37:43 <Sgeo> I don't think I should leak it
17:37:49 <tusho> Sgeo: nobody cares
17:38:00 <tusho> AnMaster: concious dreaming
17:38:04 <tusho> realising you're dreaming
17:38:05 <Sgeo> AnMaster, a dream where you are aware that you are dreaming
17:38:12 <tusho> often comes with control over the dream
17:38:21 <tusho> (up to 100% control)
17:38:25 <tusho> er, xkcd did a comic about lucid dreaming?
17:39:02 * tusho has had a few low-level lucid dreams and one high-level one
17:39:05 <tusho> always trying, though
17:39:18 <tusho> AnMaster: many ways
17:39:19 <tusho> one is reality checks
17:39:25 <tusho> you get in to a habit of looking at your hands
17:39:30 <tusho> or looking at some text, looking away from it, and back again
17:39:32 <AnMaster> well how would I remember doing that?
17:39:38 <tusho> AnMaster: just keep doing it in real life
17:39:43 <tusho> in a dream you won't have 5 fingers
17:39:49 <tusho> you'll have 7, 3, or you'll have claws
17:39:50 <AnMaster> tusho, eh, ppl will think I'm strange!
17:40:00 <tusho> AnMaster: OH NO. HE'S LOOKING AT HIS HAND.
17:40:11 <Sgeo> As a RC, I often try to push fingers through my palm
17:40:20 <Sgeo> Although I think lately that fails in my dreams
17:40:22 <tusho> Sgeo: stuff like that freaks me out a bit too much :-P
17:40:30 <tusho> apart from reality checks you can start the dream lucidly
17:40:35 <tusho> some common techniques:
17:40:45 <tusho> WILD - wake induced lucid dream. You make your body fall asleep but your mind stay awake.
17:41:00 <tusho> You go into sleep paralysis and then hypnagogic imagery which will eventually form into a dream scene.
17:41:07 <oklopol> i lucid dream a lot, unfortunately i always try to have sex with someone, and that wakes me up.
17:41:10 <tusho> However, since you never became unconcious, you'll be aware you're dreaming from the start.
17:41:29 <AnMaster> oklopol, learn from that mistake?
17:41:30 <tusho> MILD - mnemonic induced lucid dream. You repeat 'I am dreaming' continually, then fall asleep.
17:41:45 <tusho> WBTB - Wake back to bed. Teh most hradc0re of them all.
17:41:51 <tusho> You sleep for like 5 hours, then your alarm wakes you up.
17:41:52 <Sgeo> For me, DV lucid tasks are a priority..
17:41:56 <tusho> Then you do something for 30 minutes.
17:41:56 <oklopol> AnMaster: well, sometimes i don't wake up.
17:42:02 <tusho> Then you go back to bed.
17:42:08 <tusho> Most often you then do WILD or MILD.
17:42:21 <oklopol> AnMaster: nope, i have real feeling orgasms without ejaculating
17:42:43 <tusho> My last lucid dream (which was very vivid) started by me trying WILD and then giving up, which turned it into MILD. :P
17:43:16 <Sgeo> When my computer's locked, I have a dreamsign of my dad discovering that I can in fact use the computer
17:43:27 <tusho> But all of my 'OMFG. I'M DREAMING.' dreams were very low-level
17:43:33 <tusho> (i.e. everything was still pretty fuzzy and I wasn't that lucid)
17:43:49 <Sgeo> My second-to-most-recent dream had me thinking "If my dad discovers me on the laptop, it must be a dream because I can't get to it IRL"
17:44:01 <AnMaster> well wikipedia claims that "Dream recall is simply the ability to remember dreams. Good dream recall is often described as the first step towards lucid dreaming."
17:44:04 <Sgeo> And I STILL didn't become lucid until my dad discovered me on the laptop
17:44:06 <AnMaster> and that hardly ever happens to me
17:44:27 <tusho> AnMaster: you have to practice
17:44:31 <tusho> keep a dream journal (log of dreams)
17:44:36 <tusho> and when you wake up, stay still for a while
17:44:43 <tusho> this does some thiingies with muscles and the brains that helps you remember it.
17:45:13 <AnMaster> huh, I have very bad morning mode
17:46:17 <AnMaster> I mean *very bad*, I normally press snooze button at least twice and then gets up very angry and quite angry until breakfast is over
17:46:57 <tusho> AnMaster: yeah well you need to focus :-P
17:47:05 <oklopol> i've slept 3 hours repeatedly pressing a 9 minute snooze.
17:47:09 <AnMaster> before the first toast? impossible
17:47:17 <AnMaster> oklopol, ok that is more than I have done
17:47:34 <oklopol> (then failed to press it, and slept a few more without the snooze)
17:48:11 <oklopol> i sleep 10-12 hours, i usually try to wake after 7-8 using an alarm clock.
17:48:38 <AnMaster> well I use two clocks, one that won't stop beeping until I turn it off
17:48:52 <AnMaster> and placed so I need to get up to reach it
17:48:52 <oklopol> will be fun to start uni after a year of not having to be anywhere in the mornings
17:49:04 <oklopol> i've basically had a year long holiday
17:49:16 <AnMaster> oklopol, try a clock that beeps until you get up and turn it off
17:49:28 <AnMaster> placing it so you can't reach it easily
17:49:57 <oklopol> well, 1. i've slept for an hour with a clock beeping next to me 2. i can talk 10 minutes on the phone, then fall asleep again, and not even remember the phone call
17:49:59 <AnMaster> you actually need to take a few steps to get to it
17:50:17 <oklopol> well, these are extreme cases though, usually that works for me, if i actually have somewhere to be
17:50:40 <AnMaster> oklopol, what about rigging the computer and a speaker and placing the computer where you can turn it off in another room?
17:52:09 <oklopol> the problem is, i just go back to sleep no matter whether i wake up or not, because i simply don't have any backbone in the morning.
17:53:26 <AnMaster> oklopol, what about forcing yourself to the breakfast table?
17:53:26 <Sgeo> You can go back to sleep while sleeping?
17:54:24 <oklopol> AnMaster: that might work, except my home consists of a bed, basically.
17:54:59 <AnMaster> I have the breakfast table downstairs
17:55:18 <AnMaster> oklopol, so having to walk up again would not work when I'm that sleepy
17:56:13 <oklopol> i don't have a kitchen either
17:56:42 <AnMaster> oklopol, ooh I know, electric bed: if you try to go back it will give a mild shock
17:57:30 <oklopol> but, well, that'd require some work
17:58:16 <AnMaster> oklopol, tilting bed? if you try to get back it will tip you off it
17:58:48 <oklopol> that would be great, would have more room even.
17:59:09 <oklopol> i mean, it'd just tip me off in the morning, and press against the wall
17:59:11 <AnMaster> however I once fell off the bed while sleeping without waking up
17:59:47 <AnMaster> oklopol, you need an alarm first or you will get bruises.
18:00:07 <AnMaster> so you get like 5 minutes warning
18:00:26 <oklopol> after a few weeks, i'm sure i'd start waking up automatically just before the tilt.
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18:44:19 <tusho> you know that guy who thought opera was free software
18:44:22 <tusho> and I pointed it out to him
18:44:29 <tusho> he's replied again
18:44:29 <tusho> {HAHAHA Oh, you're such a douchebag. Hilarious! And you take yourself so seriously, you've got to be a teenage american! It is free. You fail. Don't annoy me anymore. http://www.download.com/Opera/3000-2356_4-10005498.html Even better, stick your head in an oven and free the world of your shit.}
18:45:51 <Sgeo> Did you define "free software" for him?
18:46:07 <tusho> Sgeo: here's the message he sent before that
18:46:11 <Sgeo> Mayeb try using the words "open source"?
18:46:12 <tusho> {Opera was initially paid software, but then became free a few years ago.
18:46:13 <tusho> http://www.download.com/Opera/3000-2356_4-10005498.html http://www.opera.com/free/
18:46:13 <tusho> note the word FREE.
18:46:13 <tusho> Shame there are ignorants like you around, especially on reddit, who blindly blurt out the stupidest thing on their minds that they can't be bothered to substantiate.
18:46:13 <tusho> So, you're either deluded or a retard. Now, YOU FAIL.
18:46:14 <tusho> Don't bother answering.}
18:46:22 <tusho> I just sent him this:
18:46:23 <tusho> {Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software. It does not mean 'freeware', it means 'FOSS' (Free and Open Source Software).
18:46:23 <tusho> If you had clicked the link you would have realised that. Please do so before replying again.}
18:46:29 <tusho> which is 100% ambiguous
18:46:54 <tusho> if he's a troll, though, he's great
18:47:06 <tusho> if not he's pretty damn retarded
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19:16:16 <tusho> AnMaster: that's what I thought
19:16:27 <tusho> probably forgot to bring his laptop and can't find a computer to use?
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19:31:22 <tusho> I bet ais is hiding from us
19:32:15 <oklopol> yes let's whois all /ais[0-9]{3}/
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21:01:49 <augur> ::pokes everyone::
21:02:32 <tusho> I'm very sensitive.
21:05:21 <augur> ::pokes tusho harder::
21:05:35 <augur> im still poking you.
21:05:38 * tusho initiates a criminal CFJ against augur for molestation
21:05:47 <tusho> THE AGORAN COURTS WILL SORT THIS ONE OUT
21:05:52 <augur> its not molestation if its sexual in nature.
21:06:15 <augur> im poking you with a stick so unless you find sticks arousing...
21:06:30 <augur> You... you're turned on by TREES?!
21:06:42 <tusho> wtf, that's actually a meme on a forum I go to
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21:06:54 <tusho> (me having intimate relationships with trees)
21:07:06 <tusho> (for some values of 'intimate relationships' equal to 'casual sex')
21:07:17 <tusho> cactuses especially
21:15:08 <tusho> augur: oh, and 'its not molestation if its sexual in nature.'
21:15:40 <augur> if its not! god damnit >_<
21:15:48 <augur> fine! ::molests you::
21:16:32 <tusho> not particularly no
21:16:44 <augur> YOU'RE UNBEARABLE.
21:16:47 <augur> THE MARRIAGE IS OFF.
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21:56:29 <lament> the ##c guys are retarded
21:56:33 <lament> so they do retarded things
21:57:00 <lament> what other explanation do you need?
21:57:15 <tusho> but seriously what did they think whe n they did it
21:57:40 <lament> they probably thought "OOOOH SHINY"
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22:15:31 <GregorR-L> Gee, apparently my home computer or net connection is down.
22:15:44 <tusho> no it's not, GregorR-L
22:17:32 <GregorR-L> Feel like elaborating on that perspective?
22:27:41 <GregorR-L> http://www.codu.org/pics/displayimage.php?album=5&pos=1
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22:32:29 <oklopol> GregorR-L: well aren't you on the net right now!
22:32:47 <GregorR-L> Certainly not from my home computer.
22:32:47 <oklopol> (home is where your massive hat collection is)
22:34:22 <oklopol> actually you probably left at least part of your collection home.
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22:51:16 <Sgeo> Sugar Cane Nomic: No rules? I assign myself Malevolent Dictator for Life, and announce a new rule that no action may occur without my consent.
22:51:24 <Sgeo> According to ehird, that doesn't work. Why?
22:51:27 <augur> oklopol, how has the language changed? :|
22:52:10 <ihope> Sgeo: the fact that there are no rules doesn't mean that you're allowed to do everything any more than it means you're prohibited from doing everything.
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22:58:28 <oklopol> augur: dunno, i haven't seen it lately
22:59:16 <augur> the other day you said that x -> y, z -> y has always made both of them simultaneously active
22:59:20 <augur> which was never the case.
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23:26:06 <oklopol> augur: well it was originally
23:26:18 <oklopol> i specifically asked you that
23:26:25 <augur> and i answered quite specifically.
23:26:37 <oklopol> i tried, can't find that conversation anywhere
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23:34:56 <augur> it doesnt matter really, because if you did find you it'd find you were wrong. :P
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23:44:05 <augur> but, like i said, we need to decide whether or not that makes any sense
23:44:10 <augur> i personally dont think it does.
23:45:09 <augur> i think it makes it unnecessarily complicated to program in the language.
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