< 1215217729 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1215218640 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1215221200 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm|--0@122-57-233-220.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1215222263 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1215222268 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215222707 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1215222867 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1215222871 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215226565 0 :Parma-Quendion!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Quendus < 1215234447 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215236367 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :DarkPants < 1215239824 0 :DarkPants!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Remote closed the previous member app" < 1215240027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1215242141 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1215244799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1215244800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1215248456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i have openid. < 1215248499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i wouldn't say it's bad to require openid, not that hard to sign up for < 1215248550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially if the alternative is to require one to register on your blog separately :P) < 1215248626 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't that bitch actually link to the blogger. < 1215248647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1215248657 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linked earlier, perhaps i need to logsearch < 1215249011 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215249439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found nothing, darn < 1215249518 0 :TheBlunderbuss!n=TheBlund@c-71-201-245-194.hsd1.il.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1215249562 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slashdot led me here :o < 1215249593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheBlunderbuss, heh? < 1215249598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are slashdoted? < 1215249603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1215249603 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not directly < 1215249608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1215249620 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/04/229213 < 1215249624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we can take a slashdotish storm < 1215249653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheBlunderbuss, yes I have seen the article yesterday < 1215249656 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Article about spoof language. Comments containing brainfsck and whitespace. ##brainfuck mentions this channel in the topic *shrug* < 1215249663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1215249672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheBlunderbuss, yes this is about all esoteric languages < 1215249681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from intercal to befunge and everything else too :) < 1215249695 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear God < 1215249717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheBlunderbuss, I myself like befunge < 1215249728 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea though - some with the whole sort of romantic, industrial sense of trying to keep compiler size down. 240 bytes, shit. < 1215249739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has coded a fast interpreter for it (don't slashdot or digg it or anything, the server can't take that!) < 1215249745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google for cfunge < 1215249784 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1215249813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that too < 1215249820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of it < 1215249846 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just my reference < 1215249866 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to be slashdotted. < 1215249873 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I get slashdotted, I'll scream. < 1215249879 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Befunge ... [invented] with the goal of being as difficult to compile as possible. " < 1215249893 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha like it's from fiction < 1215249912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheBlunderbuss, eh? < 1215249920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it was invented with that in mind < 1215249937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could be possible to JIT it though < 1215249943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I lack the knowledge to do that < 1215249954 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JIT? < 1215249979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, JIT compile it < 1215249981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in time < 1215249982 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These languages are like they're lifted from science fiction. Ohh I'll have a good time telling my buddy about these :) < 1215249990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like java does with it's bytecode and such < 1215250020 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, they're lifted from incredibly stupid ideas < 1215250027 0 :deveah!n=deveah@92.80.87.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215250042 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mornin dudes < 1215250048 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey guys, let's make a language based on that obscure computing model" < 1215250063 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey dudes, let's make a language based on a stupid theme" < 1215250065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deveah, late morning :) < 1215250078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh yes < 1215250083 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's 11:27 for me < 1215250087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheBlunderbuss, check taxi on the esolang wiki < 1215250093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a stupid theme one < 1215250095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1215250117 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1215250120 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is great. < 1215250120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, I find Taxi to be one of the best theme languages < 1215250131 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's ma brotha when you need him? < 1215250137 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also http://esolangs.org/wiki/X-D a language based on emoticons :D < 1215250155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1215250166 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check out Rube, too, it's quite awesome < 1215250194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes the "warehouse paradigm" < 1215250195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1215250274 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taxi looks fun! < 1215250292 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also check out NTCM and Lazy Birds, which are awesome because they're mine < 1215250303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1215250304 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, altrough programmers are usually hardcore, i find you guys pretty "calm" < 1215250316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1215250320 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by hardcore < 1215250355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, ntcm does look interesting < 1215250359 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verbally violent and capable of doing programming shit noone thought it would be possible < 1215250377 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazybird. Cool :) < 1215250379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, multiple memory segments basically < 1215250415 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I actually did it because I couldn't understand parts of Turing's article < 1215250424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, oh? < 1215250431 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, the challenge is to not use the multiple tapes! < 1215250440 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since everything can be done on one. < 1215250462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, yes but why did you make it then? < 1215250466 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's actually features that aren't discussed on the page because they don't work so well or they're OS-specific. < 1215250474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1215250477 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbrain two commands! < 1215250480 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I wanted it to be complete. < 1215250489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes of course < 1215250505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just do brainfuck + 2 commands to move up/down between the tapes < 1215250513 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. The Love Machine 9000 (as is its real name) has a musical command. < 1215250528 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is actually not at all a Turing machine. < 1215250542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, oh? < 1215250545 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write notes on the tape, and the interpreter would read them with the PC speaker < 1215250558 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in my interpreter, it uses winsound, so it doesn't work on Linux < 1215250561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, eh read with pc speaker? < 1215250571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a speaker not a mic! < 1215250576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they logically work the same < 1215250584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't listen to the pc speaker afaik < 1215250584 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reads the notes on the tape < 1215250591 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then plays them on the PC Speaker < 1215250595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then? < 1215250604 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: doesn't work on Linux !? :O < 1215250608 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you enjoy the fine music < 1215250619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, so how is it a programming language? < 1215250623 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :winsound is windows specific (It's a python library) < 1215250626 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pooort! < 1215250630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the notes have side effects? < 1215250653 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. I just put them there to play the Monkey Island theme on a Turing machine < 1215250660 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have the program somewhere. < 1215250704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is MIDI turing complete? < 1215250707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not < 1215250713 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another feature that isn't on the wiki is the 2D option. < 1215250723 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never could get it to work right. < 1215250730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, this is all NTCM? < 1215250736 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1215250745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, port it to POSIX :) < 1215250758 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do'nt even know what that is < 1215250772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX as in FreeBSD, Linux, Solaris and so on < 1215250774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a standard < 1215250785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all (modern) *nix are POSIX < 1215250819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, describes stuff like what libc functions should exist, how sockets should work, how the shell should work and so on < 1215250821 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a picture of the 2D version : http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Hello.png < 1215250840 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was never able to get it to work correctly < 1215250843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, what does UPP mean there? < 1215250847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPP is Swedish for up btw < 1215250861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upp ner (up down) < 1215250887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, why the extra P as I don't think that is Swedish? < 1215250890 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost every instruction is 2 letters long, AnMaster. < 1215250902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, it looks like 3 letters in that screenshot < 1215250902 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the musical notes. < 1215250906 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1215250913 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Up and Print space < 1215250916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1215250976 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it is without spaces : http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Hello2.png < 1215251023 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Omgrofl < 1215251035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, why is there an odd line on it? < 1215251044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of white dots < 1215251055 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the print screen of Linux. < 1215251066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheBlunderbuss, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Perl too < 1215251072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, eh? < 1215251074 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mouse cursor leaves a trail for some reason < 1215251079 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea why < 1215251083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, oh, never seen that on Linux < 1215251111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, what terminal are you using? < 1215251119 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kubuntu < 1215251121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it in either xterm or konsole < 1215251122 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is esoteric? < 1215251125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, what terminal < 1215251129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheBlunderbuss, that is the joke... duh :P < 1215251144 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey it's late. It went over my head. < 1215251159 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: is compiz running? < 1215251179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, I asked what terminal, not what distro btw < 1215251193 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I don't know what it means < 1215251199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheBlunderbuss, well perl has in some parts an esoteric syntax < 1215251205 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1215251211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, well does it say xterm? < 1215251217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, or konsole? < 1215251219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what? < 1215251231 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Konsole, I think < 1215251241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, well I guess what TheBlunderbuss suggested < 1215251243 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't check, because I can't access it no more. < 1215251262 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Linux, that is. < 1215251302 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1215251312 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it a recent Kubuntu? Like hardy? < 1215251334 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1215251341 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it matter? < 1215251347 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like I can go back on it! < 1215251501 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, because my compiz suggestion doesn't hold water if you weren't using that version, where it's on by default. It wreaks all kinds of havok on Wine < 1215251517 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can cause other display issues. < 1215251662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )" < 1215251808 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to redo the dual booting thing, but my hard drive seems brokin D: < 1215251849 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-\ < 1215251862 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MBR? < 1215251872 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot? < 1215251879 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know computers, dude. < 1215251882 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember this. < 1215251895 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems kind of strange! < 1215251899 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1215251911 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But esolangs can also be done using computation theory! < 1215251946 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda like a composer who doesn't know how a piano works < 1215251952 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As with the current project : http://esolangs.org/wiki/Limp < 1215252004 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing in my languages use more than computational models and some sort of I/O. < 1215252021 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can still be a bitch to program though. < 1215252105 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a good themed http://esolangs.org/wiki/DOG < 1215252117 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are great. Yeah my friend will be impressed. < 1215252178 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only tried one themed language.It is horrible D: < 1215252179 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Slereah/Arithmetica < 1215252236 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at all those greek symbols! < 1215252276 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never could find a way to express priority < 1215252300 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no grouping symbol in western mathematics until the 12th century < 1215252326 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a bracket or parenthesis? < 1215252365 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1215252379 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was actually a bar over the grouped symbols first. < 1215252387 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parenthesis are... 15th century? < 1215252389 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-9-154.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215252390 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot. < 1215252423 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Parentheses ( ) are "found in rare instances as early as the sixteenth century" (Cajori vol. 1, page 390)." < 1215252506 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before the Renaissance, western mathematics was pretty shitty on the notation side. < 1215252530 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And before the Arithmetica, there were pretty much no notations at all. < 1215252537 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything was in word form. < 1215252555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, you don't need (), you could use RPN < 1215252609 0 :jamesstanley!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is turing-complete, isn't it? < 1215252615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1215252617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1215252618 0 :jamesstanley!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1215252622 0 :jamesstanley!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some site said 'Brainfuck is a minimalistic but almost Turing-complete programming language' < 1215252643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jamesstanley, of course no actual implementation is turing complete < 1215252648 0 :jamesstanley!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1215252650 0 :jamesstanley!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1215252651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as computers doesn't have infinite memory < 1215252655 0 :jamesstanley!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1215252659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need infinite memory to be turing complete < 1215252660 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster : No I can't. < 1215252665 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greek math isn't RPN < 1215252666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which the language itself allows < 1215252670 0 :jamesstanley!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1215252671 0 :jamesstanley!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1215252691 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also infinite times < 1215252697 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be rough on most computers. < 1215252707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jamesstanley, any implementation, like any computer, will be a bounded-storage machine < 1215252714 0 :jamesstanley!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1215252716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes you need infinite time too < 1215252725 0 :jamesstanley!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was reasonable to call something turing-complete without that, that's all < 1215252742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jamesstanley, but yes brainfuck is Turing complete < 1215252747 0 :jamesstanley!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1215252756 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once tried to make a language that had infinite memory without infinite storage. < 1215252762 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using time travel < 1215252768 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this was met with failure. < 1215252834 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh I really like this DOG language. Cute! < 1215252846 0 :RobHu!n=robhu@87.114.27.129.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1215252849 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, when I read those articles on theoretical machines better than Turing machines, I can't help but think that you first need to do somethig really TC D: < 1215252879 0 :RobHu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the name of the esoteric language that consists of coming on IRC and specifying your program (in this channel I think) ? < 1215252947 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRP < 1215252953 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is on #irp < 1215252961 0 :RobHu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you! < 1215252970 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this now? < 1215252972 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be here, but then got annoying. < 1215252982 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/IRP < 1215253015 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha that's awesome < 1215253035 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRP also offers great games < 1215253040 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually involving cakes. < 1215253061 0 :RobHu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1215253078 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self interpreters are also quite easy. < 1215253086 0 :RobHu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This search all started when someone sent me a link to the Brainfuck interpreter someone recently released that is written in LOLcode < 1215253089 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dude, be an IRP interpreter" < 1215253109 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Brainfuck interpreters in a bajillio languages < 1215253114 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are, like 3 people in there :-\ < 1215253122 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, exactly! < 1215253127 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, IRP isn't popular anymore < 1215253142 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is usually the first language implemented on a new esolang < 1215253147 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or tag systems < 1215253163 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that < 1215253191 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you've got nuts like Oerjan who implements Unlambda on INTERCAL D: < 1215253283 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainloller thaaat's cool < 1215253320 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda like the SecondLife sculpted prims. < 1215253455 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you programmers make me laugh. < 1215253481 0 :RobHu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1215253780 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION discovers Quines. Holy cow. < 1215253810 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But remember the noblest quine of all : the cheating quine. < 1215253836 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that merely prints a file containing the source? < 1215253854 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a number of ways to cheat. < 1215253869 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just use a language that can literaly prints the source code, yes < 1215253880 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The empty string is also a quine in many languages < 1215253903 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the most cheating quine I've ever seen is the kind where you use error messages. < 1215253942 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error message... like "command not recognized" ? < 1215253959 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for instance. < 1215253977 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You write "Command not recognized" as your program, and the interpreter outputs that. < 1215253989 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly what I was thinking < 1215254022 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a special name, but I forgot < 1215254024 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe yaaay DOG quine. < 1215254037 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: meh, evidently rafb only holds pastes for a day... you wouldn't happen to have any CCBI-breaking TURT code still around? < 1215254047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I do < 1215254048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sec < 1215254091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/GxNjSm13.html < 1215254094 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use the quine but it's a bit too big :-) < 1215254109 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have you gotten it to work yet? < 1215254119 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nyx.net/~gthompso/self_kim.txt < 1215254121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, haven't had time to test < 1215254122 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There it is. < 1215254124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have been so busy < 1215254126 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks for that < 1215254248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, currently configuring 2.6.25 kernel < 1215254294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now building it < 1215254538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, note that I expect there are bugs in my TURT too < 1215254548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, however I will be away next week so < 1215254574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, please point out any bugs today :) < 1215254591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and yes I know bg color is broken in both ccbi and cfunge < 1215254607 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "broken", just "forgot to implement it" :-P < 1215254611 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What separates a 2 command language from just binary? Is it because the language is mathematical, and a binary is machine code? < 1215254618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, svg doesn't support it < 1215254625 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just draw a rectangle < 1215254636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that doesn't fill it all < 1215254644 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheBlunderbuss : Binary is a way to code it. < 1215254646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1215254657 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 and 0 don't have any meaning by themselves < 1215254661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheBlunderbuss, why not use ternary? < 1215254662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1215254665 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not commands < 1215254676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, indeed < 1215254682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, you could encode it as graycode too < 1215254690 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaycode yourself < 1215254696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, what? < 1215254703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, google for graycode < 1215254705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite cool < 1215254716 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow :-\ < 1215254727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I guess the same size as the viewbox < 1215254735 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1215254739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, however I think having transparent image is cool < 1215254742 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheBlunderbuss : In Brainfuck, + alone makes sense. < 1215254746 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It increments a cell. < 1215254759 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some binary encoding, 1 alone doesn't mean anything. < 1215254762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, actually an idea would be to make that the default I guess < 1215254764 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but the computer has to know what to do with it. < 1215254779 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the computer is just a way to implement it. < 1215254783 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think more abstractly. < 1215254796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and only if someone used the N instruction then draw the rectangle < 1215254812 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I already did it like that :-) < 1215254819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, doing it too < 1215254825 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to give the computer instruction, it needs binary, right? < 1215254840 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends. < 1215254847 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can build computers without binary. < 1215254863 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, back in the days, computing models were meant to be used by people. < 1215254865 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you go from a language to something the computer can understand? < 1215254875 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer was a dude that had a pen and some paper < 1215254908 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bunch of dudes, for more complex algorithms. "Jane, you take all even numbers, and subtract five. Billy you take Janes numbers and..." < 1215254933 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plenty of algorithms are used by dudes! < 1215254940 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Division, multiplication. < 1215254951 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But computing models weren't meant to actually compute < 1215254961 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting off topic here. < 1215254968 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were just theoretical bases to think on what it means to compute < 1215254975 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no set topic here. < 1215254980 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean currently. < 1215254990 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, as you might now, not all computers are binary. < 1215255000 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck needs a compiler. So what does it compile to? < 1215255012 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, machine code in most cases. < 1215255018 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which consists of? < 1215255030 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary. But this is implementation specific. < 1215255072 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could build for instance a mechanical machine for Brainfuck. < 1215255074 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single command in the language could compile into a huge block of 1's and 0's, yes? < 1215255094 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends. With BF, you can go by with 3. < 1215255104 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 2, if you use reduced versions. < 1215255120 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because someone asked me "if you have a 2-command language, why not just use binary?" < 1215255144 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can. But 2 commands doesn't mean 2 symbols very often. < 1215255163 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure there's actually any 2 commands - 2 symbols languages. < 1215255180 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I told him. < 1215255184 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there's the dreaded END OF FILE < 1215255191 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1215255216 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you manage to trim it down to two nullary commands, you'll need end of file with 2 commands. < 1215255238 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazy K gets by with 3 symbols - 2 functions and no need for end of file < 1215255278 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iota has 1 functions - 2 symbols and no need for EOF, but I feel it's a little cheaty. < 1215255288 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has underlying lambdas. < 1215255359 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well nooow it's time for bed < 1215255367 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bai* < 1215255427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok now cfunge got it too < 1215255428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1215255559 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1215257481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the turt quine almost works < 1215257485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are still some issues < 1215257496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd horizontal lines on top of everything < 1215257558 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the process of patching Tango so that my code compiles ^_^ < 1215257564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, heh < 1215257574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does the TURT quine work for you? < 1215257581 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1215257584 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that my code doesn't compile < 1215257586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/hjXLXn25.html < 1215257588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1215257588 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no way of knowing < 1215257597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, however that got odd horizontal lines < 1215257598 0 :jix!n=jix@host-091-096-147-004.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1215257603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the code doesn't end the path when it should < 1215257614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to figure out a test case for it < 1215257632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, try to watch it, though it is huge < 1215257640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1215257642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks wrong < 1215257675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/zRq0yD49.html WARNING 256 KB < 1215257702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that is cfunge output < 1215257705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is slightly off < 1215257736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, however I got no idea if that is on fingerprint side or not < 1215257752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean is the quine correct < 1215257841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, current output look more like hieroglyphs heh < 1215258460 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe10fa00-141.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1215260383 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: okay, starting to look at your befunge finally... < 1215260408 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first of all, you clear the background to color = 18 and then don't set a pen colour < 1215260440 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the default pen colour is black (a reasonable assumption, though undefined) one can't really see much of anything there. :-P < 1215260710 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215261886 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215261903 0 :Slereah_!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-15-209.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215262747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm < 1215262755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes agree, fixed version a sec < 1215262769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://rafb.net/p/9bpxzO20.html < 1215262772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is better < 1215262778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that myself some hours ago < 1215262844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait < 1215262852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it RBG or RGB? < 1215262865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1215262875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the line saying "green tint" should say "blue tint" < 1215262980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/Gs1Ywl27.html < 1215262981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better? < 1215263202 0 :olsner!n=salparot@81-237-210-158-no50.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1215263394 0 :RedDak!n=dak@87.18.81.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215263798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm how to rewrite this as non-recursive: http://rafb.net/p/G3hrFO24.html < 1215263999 0 :Corun!n=Corun@92.12.35.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215264352 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does static void mean? < 1215264357 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to void < 1215264388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, static means local to file < 1215265255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language? < 1215265400 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume C or something. < 1215265410 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am utterly terrible at guessing D: < 1215266055 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1215266072 0 :deveah!n=deveah@92.80.87.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215267265 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1215267348 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215267574 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1215268502 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee, fixed TURT < 1215268663 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant lieks turtles. < 1215268689 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quine does indeed seem to result in a bunch of lines < 1215268798 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*series of tubes < 1215268846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, nice you fixed it, now you are conforming again (more or less) < 1215268863 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the output in general is incorrect, the letters don't look like in the example < 1215268864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the lines, not sure of the cause, I guess either the quine assumes a off by one error in paths, or we do? < 1215268881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is odd < 1215268907 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"more or less"? :-P < 1215268939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, there may be other bugs of course < 1215268954 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always there may be < 1215268954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example my test program doesn't test everything that is possible to test < 1215268966 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as long as there aren't, we're good. ;-) < 1215268982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I suspect there may be an error when doing "draw a line, pen up, *one* B or F instruction, pen down, print" < 1215268986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you noobs, my programs never have bugs < 1215268986 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, SOCK for instance would run for an hour if you tried to test every combination < 1215268989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to miss the dot then < 1215269010 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an example ready < 1215269062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not ready no < 1215269071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was something I noted and need to write a proper test for < 1215269116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think I fixed that bug myself < 1215269118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1215269628 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-66-31-43-229.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1215269919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. INTERCAL on /. < 1215270023 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It brought us some newbies! < 1215270111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1215270130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone new I can shove Dimensifuck on, perhaps? :p < 1215270154 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: haha, fixed that bug and now the quine looks even worse < 1215270169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what was the issue with that bug < 1215270174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been too busy now < 1215270186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so tell me about it to save me some work :D < 1215270187 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest I'm not sure < 1215270190 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I did was < 1215270191 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (penDown || (pic.path && pic.path.penDown)) { < 1215270199 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that the latter part of the || was redundant < 1215270201 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I removed it < 1215270203 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it fixed that < 1215270205 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but broke the quine < 1215270213 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so evidently it wasn't redundant < 1215270216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, got a test program? < 1215270224 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TRUT"4(n0H1Pf1+:*::**1-Naa*F0PaF1PI@ < 1215270249 0 :Corun!n=Corun@92.12.35.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215270250 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I need to figure out why it isn't redundant < 1215270270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, interesting tell me when you find out, our code is quite similar < 1215270872 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1215270885 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muah, everything works now, quine included < 1215271059 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the quine is a bit buggy, as I suspected < 1215271067 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because !Befunge doesn't implement the dots < 1215271083 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the correct result of the quine looks quite dotty < 1215271129 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but yeah, the logic regarding addPath() in move() is wrong < 1215271146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correct way to do it is to remove the latter part of the || mentioned above < 1215271160 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then add the following at the beginning of move() < 1215271162 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TRUT"4( 11x < 1215271162 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a7+3*5*N 0C 11x> ; Clear with blue. Set pen to black ; < 1215271162 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0H 1P 11x> ; Set direction, pen down. ; < 1215271162 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :52*1-F 0P 2F 1P 53*1-F 11x> ; Draw first line with a gap in it. ; < 1215271165 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1215271166 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that < 1215271175 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (penDown && movedWithoutDraw) < 1215271175 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pic.addPath(p, false, 0); < 1215271177 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1215271183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1215271206 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the needed fix to make everything work < 1215271324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, where in the code? < 1215271336 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I said < 1215271342 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part did you not get :-P < 1215271354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, is this below the line: < 1215271356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" // a -> ... -> z is equivalent to a -> z if not drawing" < 1215271357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1215271362 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1215271389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, penDown == pic.penDown or turt.penDown? < 1215271409 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-07-05 17:03:10 ( Deewiant) IIif (penDown || (pic.path && pic.path.penDown)) { < 1215271411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1215271413 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-07-05 17:19:05 ( Deewiant) the correct way to do it is to remove the latter part of the || mentioned above < 1215271413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 can't be right < 1215271418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you drop color < 1215271431 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pen-up move < 1215271433 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so color is irrelevant < 1215271563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm < 1215271638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh mycology got an error < 1215271643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sets background color to 0x1 < 1215271658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmain[flimble, booble, babble] < 1215271661 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1215271677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so yes it shows two circles in mycology's test of TURT < 1215271681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however.. they are not visible < 1215271687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :against the black background < 1215271689 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1215271693 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1215271696 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I was going to ask you < 1215271705 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you feel like writing a proper mycology test for TURT < 1215271724 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry about making it tight enough to fit where it needs to, I can do that < 1215271760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1215271782 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I know you're averse to writing compact Befunge ;-) < 1215271786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes maybe, however probably at end of next week, I'm going to Norway in a few days and no computer or internet < 1215271799 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worries, I'm in no hurry < 1215271809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, you should totally meet Oerjan while you're there. < 1215271814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1215271816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Oslo? < 1215271838 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't remember where he is in Norway. < 1215271852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if (penDown && movedWithoutDraw) <-- that breaks < 1215271863 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1215271866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, try my test case I made before < 1215271869 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did < 1215271871 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works fine < 1215271902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't for me hrrm < 1215271918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes wrong when first changing color < 1215271933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, or do you mean in addition to current test case < 1215271949 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1215272003 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the mycology thing? I'd rather it be replaced completely < 1215272021 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all the rest? CCBI now works on all inputs I've tried, including your test case, the quine, and my little one-liner < 1215272067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I mean your D code < 1215272072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1215272078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you just post your move function in your D code? < 1215272090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I think I misinterpreted it < 1215272093 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only need to do two changes, what's so hard >_< < 1215272099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that it doesn't work < 1215272105 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1215272114 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the very beginning of move() < 1215272115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Oerjan is in Trondheim, actually. < 1215272119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He'll have to confirm that) < 1215272124 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add < 1215272125 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (penDown && movedWithoutDraw) < 1215272125 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pic.addPath(p, false, 0); < 1215272129 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before everything else, that is < 1215272137 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, leave everything else as is < 1215272142 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but change the last if < 1215272142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh not to replace the similar lines just below "// a -> ... -> z is equivalent to a -> z if not drawing"? < 1215272146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it's only if (penDown) < 1215272150 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if (penDown || foo) < 1215272182 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: parse failed; invalid sentence < 1215272270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that works < 1215272297 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it does, I did it ;-) < 1215272374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1215272389 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the difference that this time I actually thought it through instead of just writing code ;-P < 1215272419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway it is hard to properly test TURT < 1215272429 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course one can't test all possibilities < 1215272437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you couldn't test all the bugs of the original code in one run < 1215272439 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can do a lot better than what mycology currently does :-) < 1215272445 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you could, why not < 1215272482 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and if not, it doesn't necessarily matter) < 1215272483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no as one of them in your original code needed to happen at the end (the missing dot) while another in my code only happened if there was no dot at the end < 1215272531 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, one can't test every single case < 1215272535 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't matter < 1215272546 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just try to be reasonably exhaustive < 1215272554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1215272594 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :draw something, then clear it, then draw some more (intersecting paths, stuff like making sure that a->b->c means that the color at b is the color of b->c), put a couple of dots < 1215272604 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and query the heading/position reasonably often to see if it's correct < 1215272615 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whatever else there was < 1215272615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway you already do some tests of what the current functions return, I wouldn't replace that bit, I would just after that start with N to clear and draw some test picture < 1215272622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to test that they draw correctly < 1215272630 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really < 1215272634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1215272646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get a BAD for return value from querypen < 1215272654 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC the current thing tests only how many values are popped < 1215272662 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1215272669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well it tests that querypen returns what is expected < 1215272672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could even be that it depends on some defaults < 1215272673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up/down I mean < 1215272675 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which aren't specced < 1215272679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1215272679 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. does the pen start up/down < 1215272685 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the pen colour by default < 1215272686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine starts up < 1215272687 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that < 1215272699 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it probably used to start down? ;-) < 1215272710 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, stuff like that shouldn't be tested < 1215272715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I put a ! too much in a place < 1215272715 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except as UNDEFs < 1215272723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think it was just pure wrong < 1215272735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I returned opposite state compared to actual pen state < 1215272748 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1215272765 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyhoo, that's something that probably shouldn't be BAD with the current tests < 1215272767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway if it is supposed to be able to drive a real turtle bot (as the specs suggests) I don't see how it can handle pen color, or even clear instruction < 1215272774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what is the display instruction supposed to do? < 1215272778 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can ignore them < 1215272786 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like CCBI ignores the display instruction ;-) < 1215272797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what is display *supposed* to do= < 1215272800 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to display the picture < 1215272806 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty obvious IMHO :-P < 1215272814 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not going to link an SVG viewer into CCBI < 1215272825 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or roll my own, even :-P < 1215272838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1215272939 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that's not necessary < 1215272944 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's only lines and dots < 1215272954 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably be fairly simple to draw it in OpenGL, say < 1215272962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't be bothered, and hence CCBI just ignores it < 1215272969 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1215272979 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-176-111.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1215273017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that is allowed iirc < 1215273029 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it says "if possible" or something like that < 1215273037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1215273038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1215273048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't say "if possible" for pen colour or clear iirc < 1215273061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it says "used to drive a real turtle bot" < 1215273076 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be used to drive a real turtle bot < 1215273083 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't have the bot move until it gets I < 1215273086 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215273090 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that handles clear < 1215273107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, can't you clear and then run I again? < 1215273109 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as for pen colour, beats me, I haven't even seen a turtle bot that can draw something :-) < 1215273121 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what do you mean? < 1215273123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it want interpreter to pause with a message like: "Please change the pen to a green one with 1% red tint in" or "Please replace paper with a slightly yellowish one" < 1215273134 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works :-D < 1215273223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course after that it would say "press any key to continue" < 1215273237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no not the any key, I mean you can choose a key on your own" < 1215273330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway if you remove the dots from the quine output then the image gets a lot smaller (from 254K to 134K) < 1215273336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks quite ok < 1215273346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I would never use that font myself anywhere < 1215273368 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the dots take much space < 1215273383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svg is really quite a space wasting format < 1215273397 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzipping it probably saves much < 1215273402 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really, it depends on the situation < 1215273416 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1215273427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :27K tmp.gz < 1215273428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1215273435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need to ungzip it < 1215273435 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put that in a bitmap and watch it grow :-) < 1215273448 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes, teh CPU-waste!! < 1215273454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not an issue < 1215273455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1215273464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can browsers view gzipped ones < 1215273466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like that? < 1215273483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ? < 1215273485 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP supports compression < 1215273489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah true < 1215273489 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that uses gzip < 1215273965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, do you dare open this http://kuonet.org/~anmaster/tmp/tquine_result.svg ? < 1215273972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is edited to remove the dots < 1215273978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1215273987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, firefox fails at displaying it < 1215273989 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked it myself without the dots locally < 1215273996 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and firefox displayed it fine here :-) < 1215274002 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't check that one of yours though < 1215274006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does it display my link though < 1215274011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inkscape does < 1215274055 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, doesn't < 1215274063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so does konqueror if you are prepared to wait < 1215274072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how does my image differ from yours? scale? < 1215274080 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a thing < 1215274081 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all white < 1215274098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, same, and firefox only displays dots from my test code < 1215274103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the lines < 1215274111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while inkscape displays lines too < 1215274115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so does konq < 1215274119 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're doing it wrong :-P < 1215274123 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1215274124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no I think firefox is < 1215274138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me save resave it in inkscape < 1215274140 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible that the "miter-join" or whatever is messing it up < 1215274150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that just tells corner style < 1215274153 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or then the "width" and "height" specifiers, what's up with those < 1215274162 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but if it doesn't support it then boom, no? < 1215274185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it handles it as inkscape does that one by default < 1215274200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway the width/height were added by first resave in inkscape to remove the dots < 1215274233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it fails from a full resave in inkscape too < 1215274249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how does the source differ from yours in the image file? < 1215274254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scale? < 1215274261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that is only difference I can think of < 1215274269 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what source differ from what in what < 1215274288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the output of ccbi for tquine < 1215274293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared with my output < 1215274301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I don't have your last version with fixed TURT after all < 1215274349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ? < 1215274354 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stroke-linejoin is present in yours, not in mine < 1215274357 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a doctype < 1215274362 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have id, width, height < 1215274367 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have standalone="no" < 1215274380 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond that, beats me < 1215274397 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, one thing < 1215274399 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use style="", I use attributes directly < 1215274408 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fill="none" instead of style="fill:none" < 1215274432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmlns ? < 1215274445 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1215274460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have it? < 1215274464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1215274525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway changing that didn't help either < 1215274531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does the viewbox or the numbers differ? < 1215274680 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they do < 1215274685 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :viewBox="-0.0002 -0.0002 0.0833 0.0244" < 1215274686 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :versus < 1215274693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1215274697 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :viewBox="-.0011 -.0011 .0851 .0262" < 1215274713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that is interesting. < 1215274736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't explain it < 1215274751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, however the image generated is correct in inkscape and konqueror < 1215274755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I blame firefox < 1215274764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it validates < 1215274775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does the numbers for the path also differ btw? < 1215274789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess why they differ, long double vs. double < 1215274790 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to go through the whole path >_< < 1215274793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use double < 1215274802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok look at the first 10 numbers or so? < 1215274805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the last few < 1215274811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to see if the differ in either place < 1215274818 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first line looks similar to me < 1215274825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, last one? < 1215274839 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1215274849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how similar? < 1215274880 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1215274883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell < 1215274947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, using long double a few numbers change in the last decimal near the middle, nothing that could cause that much difference < 1215274964 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing is, do you use padding or not < 1215274976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1215274980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always the same padding < 1215274982 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's a difference of 10 right there < 1215274984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the image is large < 1215274991 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1215274997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you only use it if it is small iirc < 1215275002 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-31-39.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1215275002 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I always use it < 1215275020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that padding translates to 0.0010 < 1215275022 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only matters if the image is small < 1215275025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it < 1215275026 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1215275026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that padding translates to 0.00010 < 1215275030 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1215275033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1215275038 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 is 0.0010 < 1215275044 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in my program :-P < 1215275048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here < 1215275068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and the path formatting looks the same for my program? < 1215275076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, M and L in the same places? < 1215275083 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like said < 1215275088 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first and the last line looked similar to me < 1215275092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "create new path segment" was one bug I fixed < 1215275120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, right, however, not exactly the same numbers in them? < 1215275132 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar == I can't tell the difference < 1215275144 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but looking at a line with 200 numbers doesn't mean they're the same < 1215275148 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence similar, not same < 1215275155 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that was a bad sentence < 1215275158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well upload your pic then < 1215275165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can diff it < 1215275171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the power of *nix tools! < 1215275171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1215275187 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diff won't help you much < 1215275192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1215275192 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to whitespace differences and such < 1215275193 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1215275197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, we have that? < 1215275208 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.109.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215275235 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1215275235 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1215275237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and yes kompare can be set to ignore whitespace differences < 1215275240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for diff < 1215275260 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, I'll upload it in a minute < 1215275263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1215275272 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1215275281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ais isn't here < 1215275288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I noticed... < 1215275297 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a safe bet just to get it typed and hit enter < 1215275300 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise i'd have to check < 1215275302 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore never win < 1215275304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, again it took about 30 seconds from when you connected :/ < 1215275309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm how is the constant PI defined in D? < 1215275317 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, that's my client < 1215275322 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, we have a good way of measuring it now < 1215275325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess depending on how exact it is... < 1215275328 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our clients log, to the second, when we press enter < 1215275372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, 3.14159265358979323846 for M_PI here (defined in /usr/include/gentoo-multilib/amd64/math.h) < 1215275406 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psht, my M_PI contains every digit < 1215275421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also does casts of floats to ints in D round or truncate? < 1215275475 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :const real PI = 0x1.921fb54442d1846ap+1L; < 1215275477 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :truncate < 1215275480 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:32:39 verbally violent and capable of doing programming shit noone thought it would be possible < 1215275484 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is called 'elitist irc assholes' < 1215275487 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to upload, post a link, and then go eat < 1215275489 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they can't program worth shit < 1215275491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, eh that one is slightly crazy < 1215275494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in hex < 1215275499 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, for maximum accuracy < 1215275502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a float? < 1215275504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1215275529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hah agree < 1215275536 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iki.fi/deewiant/CCBI_TURT.svg < 1215275537 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm gone -> < 1215275546 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: question < 1215275550 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do finnish people put -> < 1215275553 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after their 'bye' messages < 1215275557 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol does it too < 1215275616 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1215275683 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:36:44 Slereah_: doesn't work on Linux !? :O < 1215275692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could probably guess you came from slashdot if I hadn't read it earlier < 1215275692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1215275727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I notice you do floating point now? < 1215275889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: because it's the superior way to say you're gone < 1215275906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but why only fins < 1215275927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know it was only finns < 1215275945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we're the superior race then? < 1215275950 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1215276042 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say something like that < 1215276088 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, it's quick and to the point, if you put "->" somewhere it means the next thing you do after pressing enter is leave < 1215276121 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: where do you see that? < 1215276139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M2e-4,0 L2e-4,2e-4 M4e-4,0 L4e-4,2e-4 M.0014,1e-4 L.001,1e-4 L.0012,1e-4 L.0012,7e-4 M.0018,3e-4 L.0021,6e-4 < 1215276142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your output < 1215276148 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where does that imply floating point < 1215276150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like fixed point at all < 1215276157 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1215276157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh so why is it formatted like that then? < 1215276162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%d wouldn't do it < 1215276169 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I format it manually so that it takes minimal space < 1215276209 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be warned, though: firefox has an open bug that scientific notation doesn't work < 1215276249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok... < 1215276268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I think whatever makes cfunge output fail in firefox is also a firefox bug < 1215276276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same happens for the paths in my simple test case < 1215276278 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly possible < 1215276287 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version do you have < 1215276294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it works in konqueror, safari, opera, inkscape < 1215276301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, firefox 2.0.14 < 1215276311 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that would explain < 1215276312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something thing that, could be .15 I guess < 1215276315 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.0's SVG support is poor < 1215276318 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 3.0 < 1215276329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and still don't see it? < 1215276341 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, your simple test case worked fine < 1215276345 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the quine doesn't < 1215276346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well ccbi tquine crashes firefox < 1215276356 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's because of the scientific notation < 1215276362 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without it it works fine < 1215276371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shouldn't crash however < 1215276372 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I chose to use it anyway < 1215276381 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but it does < 1215276400 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just turning off the scientific notation makes it work fine :-) < 1215276427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway if you select to ever update the mycology results page remember that firefox should not be used to check cfunge, instead use inkscape or such < 1215276440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any of the other browsers I mentioned < 1215276528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you said you had no doctype? in the file you uploaded there is a doctype < 1215276533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" < 1215276536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is first line < 1215276554 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really don't need to inform me about these things, I do know you know :-) < 1215276556 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added it < 1215276561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1215276569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make the validator warning shut up? < 1215276578 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1215276580 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the validator < 1215276586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://validator.w3.org/ < 1215276589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can do svg too < 1215276599 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just checked the SVG spec and it seemed that doctype is used < 1215276654 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wrong doctype actually < 1215276664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1215276713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what is the correct doctype for tiny then? < 1215276730 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-SVGMobile-20030114/#sec-conformance < 1215276752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait tiny doesn't support style sheets < 1215276760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well I will change to use full < 1215276763 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go, valid tiny < 1215276763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong in that < 1215276797 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sure it does < 1215276800 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it? < 1215276807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried: < 1215276809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Error Line 12, Column 12: there is no attribute "style". < 1215276809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1215276883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1215277251 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1215277302 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one could save potentially a lot of space by using a class="p" instead of repeating stroke-width &c. in every < 1215277309 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not Tiny < 1215277316 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1215277366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I would need to define the class in a < 1215277682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work right? < 1215277691 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1215277695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no? < 1215277697 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to be in < 1215277700 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it needs to be CDATA < 1215277701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1215277707 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: genx < 1215277708 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1215277708 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure about the media < 1215277728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, genx doesn't know how a svg is built < 1215277735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so that won't help at all for this < 1215277753 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: genx knows how xml is built < 1215277754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. cdata < 1215277758 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Tango's XML writer < 1215277759 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the old style negation symbol looks in between ~ and the infinity symbol < 1215277761 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly handy < 1215277764 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1215277793 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah, genx is basically that for c < 1215277797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, just < 1215285957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I now correctly set width and height < 1215285963 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like said, I use tango's XML generator < 1215285969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why I have to multiply it by 10000 < 1215285979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only when I do that do I get the correct size in inkscape < 1215286020 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, interesting < 1215286030 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using scientific notation -> ram usage boom < 1215286045 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a bug in every single SVG viewer out there? :-P < 1215286055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I guess it is harder to parse? < 1215286074 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so hard that it takes 100* more memory < 1215286077 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CPU < 1215286094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no clue < 1215286109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway you have solved your problem then < 1215286115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now report this as a bug to inkscape ppl < 1215286119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other too < 1215286132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, certainly konqueror doesn't like scientific notation either < 1215286144 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1215286155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watch the spinning K as it tries to preview the image < 1215286185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the cfunge one takes maybe 10 seconds to create a preview from (yes konq 3.5.9 sucks at svg, it has problems with open/closed paths too) < 1215286246 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :size goes up by 8 Kio < 1215286247 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1215286271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, as for the 255 line length limit , are you aware of that inkscape never puts a linebreak in a path? < 1215286273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it ignores that < 1215286282 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not care < 1215286303 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec says that some viewers have or may have restrictions so it's best to keep to 255 byte lines < 1215286307 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I keep to 255 byte lines < 1215286312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh be sure to use LF not CRLF even on windows, that will save a few bytes < 1215286314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1215286316 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rather, 10-path-node lines, but it's the same thing) < 1215286327 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I stick to my platform :-) < 1215286343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the file I wgeted from you was LF not CRLF < 1215286365 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know, I figured that if you checked the filesize you'd say I was wrong < 1215286372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1215286372 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would have been because the filesize I quoted was LF < 1215286388 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead you come complaining to me that it's LF not CRLF, so that didn't work out too well < 1215286396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well if that is what you quote, then that is what you shall use too < 1215286413 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I quoted the optimal filesize :-P < 1215286422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm not complaining it is LF, I like it < 1215286499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw you use 10 bit floats right? < 1215286504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well cfunge now use 16-bit ones < 1215286505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1215286513 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :floats? < 1215286514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed to long double, on amd64 that use sse < 1215286515 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 bit? < 1215286518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1215286521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant byte < 1215286521 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byte < 1215286522 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1215286522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bits < 1215286523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1215286534 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhoo, like said, real is the max the platform supports < 1215286539 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just a compiler issue henceforth < 1215286543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1215286554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long double is in C99 so I can use it < 1215286565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not part of C89 though iirc < 1215286991 0 :jamesstanley!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1215287006 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215287046 0 :Corun!n=Corun@92.12.35.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215287075 0 :Slereah_!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-15-209.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215287081 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[ ] < 1215287191 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives Slereah_ a tall sandwich < 1215287197 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[||||||||||] < 1215287238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_, wrong size < 1215287241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he still got: < 1215287245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[|||||||||| ] < 1215287246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1215287257 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can you give me advices on how to recover data from a hard dive, which does notwork? < 1215287265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, use backups < 1215287269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I would do < 1215287271 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1215287283 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now he has chewing room. < 1215287289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, I assume you got daily, or at least weekly backup? < 1215287303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, but first, is it a *hardware* error < 1215287309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, read errors < 1215287310 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Slereah_, I assume you got daily, or at least weekly backup? < 1215287313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLIER THAN THOU < 1215287315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just corrupted file system < 1215287317 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a fucking clue. < 1215287322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I do backups to tape < 1215287329 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Expert tape backuper < 1215287330 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says that I can't access the HD. < 1215287331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, boot from a good linux live cd < 1215287339 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already tried. < 1215287340 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUN FACT: Most people don't do backups. < 1215287346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, checked with smart tools? < 1215287349 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not detect the HD either < 1215287354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes, and that is bad < 1215287364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, doesn't detect, what do you mean? < 1215287368 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's hard to get the space. < 1215287368 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moneys. < 1215287369 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely know how to use Linux, I don't know what the fuck that means < 1215287387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, tapes got high density and aren't very expensive < 1215287408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a total of 10 tapes that I change about once a year to new unused ones < 1215287415 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what the error message tells me when I try to open it. < 1215287416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two tapes for full backup < 1215287416 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Backing up to a tape is totally trivial rite guyz < 1215287420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the rest for incremental < 1215287420 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can't be accessed". < 1215287423 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, you know < 1215287424 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In French < 1215287434 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some sort of message involving parameters. < 1215287436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, so ls /dev/hdb or whatever it is < 1215287453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :export LC_ALL=C < 1215287460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smartctl -H /dev/hdx < 1215287467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where hdx is the harddrive with issues < 1215287471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me what that outputs < 1215287478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot from a livecd that has smartmontools < 1215287483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, want a link to a good one? < 1215287485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if yes a sec < 1215287486 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if your solution is Linux, we'll discuss that again on an occasion where I'm on the liveCD < 1215287506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page < 1215287512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, and I can't give any windows help < 1215287527 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then again, who can? < 1215287529 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1215287537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, why not boot to a livecd like that < 1215287542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got recovery tools < 1215287558 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try tomorrow. < 1215287567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, why not now, if you wanted help < 1215287583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't care for the harddrive? < 1215287592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, until then please unplug the disk in that case < 1215287609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent further damage from the disk spinning if it is a hardware failure < 1215287617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen that happen < 1215287642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, because if the disk is dying, well you don't have until "tomorrow" sometimes < 1215287648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is your choice < 1215287652 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been down for months, AnMaster. < 1215287659 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can wait another day. < 1215287680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, well then it is likely too late already < 1215287727 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many Star Trek episodes at stake here, AnMaster. < 1215287739 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is serious matters. < 1215287758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, well I'm serious but you are not < 1215287832 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: BTW, re: SVG and doctypes and doctype-based validation: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/message/48562 < 1215287855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your browser is not accepting our cookies. To view this page, please set your browser preferences to accept cookies. (Code 0) " < 1215287857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh < 1215287909 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I tried to save the HD many times. < 1215287919 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually why I installed Linux in the first place. < 1215287922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, and I asked you two commands which you refused to run < 1215287928 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But many problem arose. < 1215287935 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can't run them here. < 1215287952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, so reboot to a livecd if you want my help, I will not be here tomorrow mostly < 1215287966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and next week I will be in Norway without computer or internet < 1215288064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well give me xml schema then? < 1215288123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also that was in 2005, and the w3c validator now have specific support for svg < 1215288125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1215288140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not saying it is perfect, but it is better than back then < 1215288439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway I checked by hand that my output is as well formed as yours < 1215288448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from not using e notation < 1215288554 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what was interesting was rather that SVG developers consider that the doctype is useless < 1215288574 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, what we generate is so simple that it hardly matters either way < 1215288587 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought it was interesting in general, not trying to bash you or anything < 1215288738 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, yay, TURT is finally done for ever now < 1215288744 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what fingerprint's next for you < 1215288911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not sure < 1215288917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, maybe SOCK, don't know < 1215288927 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not TRDS? :-P < 1215288931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, currently I'm in bug fixes only before next release < 1215288939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no new fingerprint now < 1215288948 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, whatever < 1215288956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I fork to a branch and trunk (have only done feature branches so far) < 1215288987 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one excuse that I haven't updated the mycology results page is that you still haven't released a version which is done so far as (mycology-tested) fingerprints are concerned ;-) < 1215289000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm? < 1215289014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well some I won't implement, and some I may implement later < 1215289032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes I plan a mostly stable release in the near future < 1215289034 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so one excuse for me is your "may implement later" part < 1215289045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what? you could just update it next year < 1215289057 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I said it's an excuse, not a good reason :-P < 1215289060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I got other open source projects to < 1215289062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too* < 1215289070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like implement new socket engine for crossfire < 1215289076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what I will do after this release < 1215289081 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crossfire? < 1215289096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the first mmorpg, first line of code written back in 1992 < 1215289105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a developer on it since a few months < 1215289141 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beg to differ on "the first" < 1215289148 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1215289154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, really? what one was before? < 1215289179 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you count MUDs, the first were in the late 70s I think < 1215289181 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't, LORD < 1215289183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMORPG, certainly not the first RPG or the first MMO game, but could you give an example of a older MMORPG < 1215289190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, a MUD isn't a MMORPG < 1215289197 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is IMO < 1215289204 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like said, even if you don't think so, LORD < 1215289225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LORD was for BBS iirc < 1215289232 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1215289241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count as online? < 1215289265 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need a modem to play it counts as online. < 1215289266 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will now reboot to der Linux. < 1215289270 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1215289287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well crossfire is the first graphical MMORPG then < 1215289314 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's not a huge achivement < 1215289364 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neverwinter Nights was earlier < 1215289371 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the AOL one < 1215289387 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverwinter_Nights_(AOL_game) < 1215289409 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crossfire may be the first /graphical and open-source/ one though < 1215289426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and it was certainly an early one < 1215289428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah yes neverwinter nights < 1215289439 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: lol, though < 1215289443 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first graphical, open-source MMORPG! < 1215289446 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an amazing accomplishment! < 1215289453 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's totally not highly specific! < 1215289481 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like cfunge, the first C99 Befunge-98 interpreter ;-) < 1215289485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, certainly nethack wasn't the first rouge, yet wouldn't you call it a game with a long and deep history < 1215289488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps Deewiant < 1215289499 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: AnMaster is full of new ideas < 1215289500 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I deserved that ^_^ < 1215289502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, according you your mycology page the first conforming befunge98 one in C < 1215289513 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but not C99 < 1215289525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, or the second conforming one at all < 1215289530 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We all know compilers have impeccable C99 support < 1215289547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it should be possible to convert it to c89, tell me when you are done < 1215289549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1215289557 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use VLAs < 1215289577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that can be replaced with malloced buffers < 1215289598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for variable sized arrays at end of structs (which I do use) < 1215289601 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you do? hmm, that's an exploit waiting to happen < 1215289602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use the other VLA < 1215289606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ^ < 1215289624 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack only has so much size, namely < 1215289635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed, which is why I no longer use it < 1215289650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, while variable sized struct is perfectly ok on the heap < 1215289653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I do use that < 1215289710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, as for VLAs on the stack, there are certain safe contexts for it, when you know the range < 1215289722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "2-200 bytes" < 1215289725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1215289728 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1215289742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but no I don't use it at all I think < 1215289773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I do use a few *static* buffers on the heap though < 1215289783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I read a file in chunks of 1024 bytes for example < 1215289805 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/heap/stack/ probably? < 1215289812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ah yes < 1215289835 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you fuzz-tested cfunge? < 1215289840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I have indeed < 1215289846 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1215289854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, the script is in the cfunge bzr repo < 1215289859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in the release tarballs < 1215289862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, why? < 1215289874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a befunge interpreter < 1215289877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I found quite a few bugs that way < 1215289882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was very useful < 1215289900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how AnMaster's befunge interpreter uses more hyper-optimizing POSIX functions than extremely popular (& in need of speed) languages like Python or Ruby. < 1215289906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's deliciously ridiculous. < 1215289917 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget, did you only find bugs that caused segfaults or others as well < 1215289923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes you just didn't see the "~" < 1215289931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is in the spirit of the language < 1215289950 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the difference is, Guido and Matz know where the optimizations apply and where they don't, and where they're just pointless. < 1215289961 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant++++++++ < 1215289965 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a hyper-optimized ++) < 1215289980 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant @repeat ++ < 1215289982 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx lambdabot < 1215289988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well segfaults and valgrind errors, and once iirc a bug happened to happen as well in the same function < 1215289991 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1215289999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes in general only segfaults and valgrind errors < 1215290003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't too bad at all < 1215290021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: < 1215290026 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : > var $ "Deewiant" ++ cycle "++" < 1215290026 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++... < 1215290028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but of course they help other stuff too, like when 5kt caused errors, or when 2k@ did < 1215290042 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, I am on #haskell. :-) < 1215290054 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but I wanted AnMaster to see < 1215290056 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno why < 1215290061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, infinite, right < 1215290090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, anyway I have been thinking of porting it to quantum computers for additional speed. < 1215290095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what do you think of that? < 1215290100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~~~~ < 1215290100 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do it < 1215290101 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use java < 1215290104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1215290104 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's enterprisey < 1215290107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1215290186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway a quantum fingerprint could be interesting < 1215290200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but same category as TRDS < 1215290208 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use MPI so that you can run multiple threads on multiple machines < 1215290222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only feral, but wild < 1215290240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hah < 1215290251 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1215290267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I realized that.. < 1215290268 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215290279 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1215290288 0 :Slereah-!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-15-209.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215290295 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, liveCD won't boot < 1215290298 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's too dirty < 1215290310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, try the one I suggested < 1215290318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, http://www.sysresccd.org/ < 1215290321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is good < 1215290325 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dirty as in LITERALLY DIRT. < 1215290326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and got the needed tools < 1215290332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes I realize that < 1215290351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, but if he is burning a new anyway < 1215290355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1215290356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ^ < 1215290385 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Dude, shapr. < 1215290389 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, he's addicted to dude. < 1215290389 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get a new CD. < 1215290391 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, he hates spam. < 1215290394 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, dude. < 1215290433 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster : Once I boot that CD, what do I do? < 1215290441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, same commands as before < 1215290442 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-: Come here. < 1215290446 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because from the look of it, I won't have the interwebs with it < 1215290455 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there interbutts on that CDN < 1215290456 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1215290457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no idea if it got irc client < 1215290463 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Telnet. < 1215290471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, could Slereah- manage that? < 1215290474 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :P < 1215290475 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1215290484 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-: Get a pen and paper. < 1215290494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sysresccd.org/Detailed-packages-list < 1215290496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, it has irssi < 1215290499 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1215290499 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1215290502 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run 'irssi' < 1215290505 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'/server irc.freenode.net' < 1215290506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1215290506 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait) < 1215290508 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'/join #esoteric' < 1215290514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what tusho said < 1215290520 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe10fa00-141.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1215290526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, if you use wlan you could have issues < 1215290527 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In a kommunistline, of course.) < 1215290534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, in a what? < 1215290539 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What type of issues? < 1215290552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, "better connect to ethernet" issues < 1215290553 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gender confusion? < 1215290563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in wlan may not work out of box < 1215290565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try ethernert < 1215290567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethernet* < 1215290572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is way more likely to work < 1215290594 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand a word of it. < 1215290616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, do you use wireless network? < 1215290618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes or no? < 1215290628 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1215290637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, try using cable network instead < 1215290642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is more likely to work < 1215290666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, wireless network may have issues with drivers that would require some linux knowledge to solve < 1215290672 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you want me to find a giant cable and somehow plug it in the Livebox in the next room? < 1215290695 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not because I like it that I'm on wireless. < 1215290719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, well if internet doesn't work, anyway why not just boot directly to an ubuntu install or such < 1215290724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then from there connect to irc < 1215290747 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-: Dude. Livebox. < 1215290749 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one of those. < 1215290749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, then I can tell you what packages to install and what to run and such < 1215290751 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shittiest router ever. < 1215290762 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1215290779 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, are you suggesting using a LiveCD or reinstalling Linux? < 1215290789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, you don't have linux any longer? < 1215290800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest installing ubuntu or kubuntu < 1215290800 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As explained before, I still have it < 1215290808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, well boot it then < 1215290812 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But during the last windows reinstalling < 1215290820 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It removed the dual booting I had installed < 1215290828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you help him to reinstall dual boot! < 1215290835 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1215290837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only do it by hand with grub < 1215290840 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I tried to put it back on, with the hard drive stuff, I had a giant ass error. < 1215290842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from command line < 1215290852 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segment something something < 1215290860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :segmentation fault? < 1215290861 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't work on my partitions anymore for some reason < 1215290864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, ? < 1215290865 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1215290870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, well that is bad < 1215290875 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1215290884 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, it's the main hard drive. < 1215290886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, just reinstall ubuntu or something then < 1215290888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1215290889 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's probably not a good sign < 1215290916 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is why I'm anxious to get that new computer) < 1215290923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, it may work with wireless < 1215290927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth a try < 1215290939 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Linux does work with wireless. < 1215290941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, if it doesn,t get a long ethernet cable I guess < 1215290948 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the liveCD, actually. < 1215290951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, yes it does, but it is sometimes not trivial to get working < 1215290962 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it is with Kubuntu. < 1215290967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, it depend on what livecd and such too < 1215291006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, systemrescuecd will need you to activate it yourself from command line I suspect < 1215291015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something I don't know how, as I don't use wireless myself < 1215291023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ethernet (cable) < 1215291024 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then no dice. < 1215291030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, an issue yeah < 1215291040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, get kubuntu or whatever working again < 1215291043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then ask for more helpo < 1215291055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, trying to recover from inside windows will *NOT* work < 1215291062 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do the LiveCD. < 1215291077 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to lose my datas on windows by reinstalling Linux. < 1215291082 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*data < 1215291090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, anyway if it is only star trek movies, why not just torrent them < 1215291104 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not just that. < 1215291107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1215291118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I didn't say that < 1215291130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :torrenting copyrighted material is illegal < 1215291178 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: zomg < 1215291245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm just a bit careful, "Note that I didn't suggest that" style < 1215291246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1215291301 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster. < 1215291305 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knock knock. < 1215291306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, yes? < 1215291311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's there? < 1215291328 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're liek the anti-fuck man i'm haf < 1215291340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, uh? < 1215291341 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the 4chan Partyvan. < 1215291353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, the 4chan Partyvan who? < 1215291366 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yeah, I was on drugs when I wrote that" "I may or may not have been under the influence of halluciogenic effects when I wrote that message. Note that I don't support the use of drugs in any way or form" < 1215291369 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1215291371 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or someting < 1215291373 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*something < 1215291375 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you know the partyvan AnMaster? < 1215291391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, no but I know you ruined the "knock knock" joke < 1215291411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which IMO is a rather bad joke anyway) < 1215291418 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, let's try again. < 1215291421 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knock knock. < 1215291428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's there? < 1215291431 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9/11 < 1215291436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9/11 who? < 1215291444 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SAID YOU'D NEVER FORGET D: < 1215291451 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA < 1215291451 0 :cherez!n=cherez@cpe-76-167-242-249.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1215291457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't how it goes < 1215291462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fun yes < 1215291463 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It so is. < 1215291464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1215291479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the only funny knock knock jokes are the irregular ones < 1215291485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock-knock_joke < 1215291493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well I think this one was macabre < 1215291501 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was MACABRE < 1215291503 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because people DIED. < 1215291510 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They DIED and therefore you can NEVER joke about it. < 1215291519 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's INSULTING to the people who don't have MINDS any more. < 1215291535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, not saying that, but how would you feel about joking about if your father died or so? < 1215291538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fun I bet < 1215291547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you may not be 12, but you sometimes do act like it < 1215291547 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It was in 2-thousand-and-fucking-1. < 1215291556 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that make the joke less funny? < 1215291561 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, my dad often jokes about his cancer :o < 1215291564 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was September 12st, you could get away with 'TOO SOON' < 1215291567 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not. < 1215291577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, anyway what did you want? < 1215291587 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat? < 1215291590 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have a joke about hitler and jews? AnMaster will die of shock. < 1215291608 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did Hitler die? < 1215291608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knock knock < 1215291620 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-: I don't know how did he die. < 1215291622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Who's there. < 1215291625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I will find it bad taste < 1215291630 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE SAW HIS GAS BILL < 1215291634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: hitler killed a lot of jews < 1215291648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA < 1215291651 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA < 1215291656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-: old < 1215291664 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1215291665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like oklopol's < 1215291671 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1215291671 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I had no time to find an awesome one. < 1215291680 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knock knock. < 1215291691 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's there? < 1215291732 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You fucking ruined my life. God, why did you cheat on me? After all I've done for you ... what did I do wrong? Why have you done this to me? My life is worthless. I spend every day crying until I can't cry any more. I am going to fucking kill myself. Then this will all be over. < 1215291737 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1215291755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: You fucking ruined my life. God, why did you cheat on me? After all I've done for you ... what did I do wrong? Why have you done this to me? My life is worthless. I spend every day crying until I can't cry any more. I am going to fucking kill myself. Then this will all be over. who? < 1215291777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, anyway what did you want really? < 1215291787 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You fucking ruined my life. God, why did you cheat on me? After all I've done for you ... what did I do wrong? Why have you done this to me? My life is worthless. I spend every day crying until I can't cry any more. I am going to fucking kill myself. Then this will all be over my shepard! < 1215291788 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by this, AnMaster < 1215291820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: good one :D < 1215291825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, I assume you did the highlight above for some other reason that just a knock knock joke... < 1215291828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah I know < 1215291867 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the partyvan means, on internet grounds, the FBI. < 1215291879 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a joke to refer to your mention of illegal download < 1215291891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, I see, well I don't go on 4chan < 1215291904 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need < 1215291909 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is everywhar D: < 1215291923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, yes, it's sad freenode doesn't offer ssl < 1215291944 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssl? < 1215291972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, offers encrypted connection < 1215291978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you even try to google? < 1215291999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, first hit is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Sockets_Layer here < 1215292023 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, you answered in 30 seconds. < 1215292029 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it probably was quicker to ask. < 1215292041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is the wrong attitude < 1215292071 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the wrong attitude, mister Slereah-! < 1215292073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd better behave. < 1215292078 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and yet, you always ask me things about D that you could easily look up from the spec. :-) < 1215292082 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will I get a spanking? D: < 1215292084 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You fucking ruined my life. God, why did you cheat on me? After all I'--wait, what? < 1215292087 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or SVG, today.) < 1215292097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well nobody is perfect < 1215292102 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1215292126 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: Hi! < 1215292132 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ello. < 1215292180 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also by the way don't understand why you mention ssl here) < 1215292325 0 :Corun!n=Corun@92.12.35.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215293165 0 :olsner!n=salparot@81-237-210-158-no50.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1215293325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1215293353 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-66-31-43-229.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1215293454 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1215293639 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1215293735 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: should I refrain from mentioning rootnomic entirely, or just from pestering you about it? < 1215293763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: Pestering. < 1215293771 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And mentioning it just to make me work on it. < 1215293778 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1215294446 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah fuck < 1215294455 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough disk space to burn the CD < 1215294506 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a new computer. < 1215294769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, free up some diskspace < 1215294772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete what you don't need < 1215294847 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My partition is 2 GB large. < 1215294860 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 2.63 < 1215294887 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215294898 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can round up enough free space, but that usually mean uninstalling adobe reader and such < 1215294903 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite annoying. < 1215295172 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I be going to sleep. < 1215295227 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye Slereah- < 1215295311 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I leave you with this : http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/guest5/scottmale42.png < 1215295326 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1215298064 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@71.237.179.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215298743 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1215299830 0 :Corun!n=Corun@92.8.33.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215300541 0 :RedDak!n=dak@87.18.81.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215302161 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)