00:12:10 back desu yo 00:13:08 someone should make a programming language that weeaboos could use 00:13:16 every statement has to end in "desu yo" 00:13:34 even better if it has to be in hiragana 00:14:32 x = 2 + 2 ですよ。 00:16:32 using a function as a predict necessarily requires the syntax がですか。 00:17:11 foo = bar が quux　ですか。 00:17:40 i think it'll catch on 00:24:07 oh, no no 00:24:13 instead of x = 2 + 2 desu yo. 00:24:15 it has to be 00:24:20 x wa 2 + 2 desu yo 00:24:50 abd foo wa bar ga quux desu ka 00:24:56 or something like that 00:25:27 foo wa bar ga quux da ka n' desu yo 00:27:28 isn't japanese stack-based? 00:27:29 or whatever 00:28:10 most languages (the ones with parentheses at least (that I'm aware of)) are stack-based 00:28:11 no 00:28:20 but it is head-final 00:28:21 maybe 00:28:21 in a very vague sense 00:29:05 i mean, most formal models of japanese syntax make it almost completely, if not entirely, head final 00:29:30 but i wouldnt say that head-final-ness = stack-based 00:30:17 RodgerTheGreat: you could have been more subtl 00:30:17 e 00:30:18 ;) 00:30:50 * RodgerTheGreat shrugs 00:32:40 tusho, why do you ask about japanese being stack-based? 00:32:53 psygnisfive: just that it wouldn't be very hard to make it into a programming language 00:32:54 I guess 00:32:59 i mean 00:33:01 it would, obviously 00:33:03 but. I dunno 00:33:11 heh. it would it more ways than you know :) 00:33:35 yeah I figured that like 0.1 seconds after saying it 00:34:00 tho it would be easier than english i guess 00:38:48 in japanese, conditionals can be done with conjugations on verbs or similar 00:38:50 looking like 00:39:00 tara 00:39:21 or nara 00:39:29 we could use nara. 00:39:41 blah blah blah nara blah blah blah. 00:39:54 or as the japanese would say... 00:39:59 nani nnani nara nani nani 00:50:44 -!- tusho has quit. 00:51:11 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 00:55:50 -!- Corun has joined. 01:21:52 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:40:40 hrrr 01:56:26 -!- lilja has quit ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"). 03:13:58 -!- puzzlet_ has joined. 03:26:52 -!- puzzlet has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:27:39 -!- puzzlet_ has changed nick to puzzlet. 04:06:07 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 04:25:00 Hmm, who was it who had us all talking about sex in here? 04:25:43 Was it you, psygnisfive? I have no idea, really, apart from that it wasn't someone I recognize easily, and their nick was a bit longer than mine. 04:25:44 ihope: I'm going to go with "any female" for the $500, regis 04:26:00 ive always got you talking about sex 04:27:21 Yep, it was you. 04:27:31 Turns out that wasn't a sexual desire at all. Sorry. 04:28:02 ihope, how old are you? 04:28:38 -!- pikhq has quit ("leaving"). 04:29:03 Now is not the time to tell you that. :-P 04:29:44 Older than ehird, who I imagine will have his oldth birthday this year, or maybe next. 04:29:59 every year everyone has their oldth birthday. 04:31:01 Actually, old = 13. 04:31:19 well in that case yes, this is true about tusho. 04:31:56 Though then you're only mostly old, until you turn 18, in which case you're completely old, and then you turn 70 and become thoroughly old. 04:32:06 s/in which case/at which time/ 04:32:20 lol 04:32:23 18-70 04:32:25 thats a big gap 04:32:26 lol 04:32:47 how old are you ihope 04:32:49 tell me. 04:32:49 Nothing happens in that gap, apart from the Shive Transition, which happens at 25, and has the effect of allowing you to rent a car. 04:32:58 Mostly old. 04:33:10 so you're under 18? 04:33:14 Yep. 04:33:17 damnit, theres goes any hope of sexing you. 04:33:23 guess rape'll have to to. ::rape:: 04:33:36 Oh, by no means! Unless you're male or something. 04:33:45 oh i am. :p 04:35:17 ::pet:: dont worry, it only hurts the first few times ;O 04:35:49 oh, speaking of rape, i have 29 books on theory of computation. do you want? 04:36:04 If you can send them to me, yes. 04:36:22 http://www.wellnowwhat.net/transfers/Theory%20of%20Computation.zip 04:36:31 Is that 29 books? 04:36:45 yep 05:06:02 -!- cmeme has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:09:54 -!- cmeme has joined. 05:16:27 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 05:16:47 awwww yeah 05:21:19 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:22:15 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 05:24:40 -!- moozilla has joined. 05:27:05 sup cakeprophet 05:27:51 word 06:13:08 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 06:16:57 -!- puzzlet_ has joined. 06:17:40 -!- puzzlet has quit (Remote closed the connection). 06:34:26 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Remote closed the connection). 06:59:32 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 07:11:34 -!- psygnisf_ has joined. 07:11:34 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 07:12:38 -!- olsner has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:17:24 -!- Polar has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 08:17:25 -!- Quendus has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 08:17:50 -!- Quendus has joined. 08:17:50 -!- Polar has joined. 08:32:01 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving"). 09:19:01 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 09:21:22 -!- moozilla has joined. 10:31:17 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("HydraIRC -> http://google.com <- Go find something better"). 10:31:44 -!- tusho has joined. 11:51:48 hi tusho 11:51:55 hello 11:52:09 bbiab 12:13:30 -!- oklopol has joined. 12:16:25 -!- lilja has joined. 12:55:26 -!- moozilla has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 12:57:23 -!- moozilla has joined. 12:58:40 -!- Sgeo has joined. 13:32:47 -!- lilja has quit ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"). 13:54:23 -!- Hiato has joined. 13:55:48 -!- Corun has joined. 13:56:27 -!- Corun has quit (Client Quit). 13:57:07 -!- Corun has joined. 13:57:50 -!- Corun has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:01:01 -!- Corun has joined. 14:37:03 -!- pikhq has joined. 14:37:42 -!- Corun_ has joined. 14:42:46 -!- Corun has quit (Nick collision from services.). 14:42:54 -!- Corun_ has changed nick to Corun. 14:56:48 -!- Corun_ has joined. 15:02:25 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 15:04:59 -!- Corun has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 15:10:41 does anyone know if there is some C escape sequence for "Form Feed", like \n for Line Feed and \r for Carriage Return? 15:11:02 -!- Corun_ has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 15:12:30 AnMaster: yes, \f 15:12:35 thanks 15:14:24 Next time try the first link Google gives 15:14:38 http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/languages/c/cref-mleslie/FUNCTIONS/escape.html 15:16:18 btw anyone know what the form feed was actually used for? 15:16:34 I mean, it is one of those control chars like vertical tab that simply isn't used today 15:24:44 emacs source has vertical tabs 15:24:47 so do rfc' 15:24:48 s 15:24:52 *rfcs 15:28:08 tusho, sure it isn't formfeeds? 15:29:11 I'm well aware of Emacs' usage of form feeds to seperate chunks of code into logical pages. . . 15:29:36 (Emacs, of course, supports the use of this convention) 15:30:22 AnMaster: Yes. 15:30:31 * tusho shrugs 15:31:13 and trefunge uses it 15:31:18 formfeeds I mean 15:34:29 Hmm. 15:35:02 For my first programming assignment in college, should I use digraphs just to give the grader a headache? :p 15:35:20 pikhq, you mean trigraphs or? 15:35:28 I never heard of digraphs 15:35:39 An amendment to the C standard in '94 added digraphs. 15:35:48 An example: 15:36:02 does gcc support it without the -trigraphs switch? 15:36:12 pikhq, also what about the bison code? 15:36:16 did you get anywhere with it? 15:37:03 %:include 15:37:06 int main()<%char foo<::> = "Hello, world!\n";printf(foo);%> 15:37:13 Didn't get anywhere with it. 15:37:25 pikhq, but at least you pastebinned it somewhere? 15:37:34 Fuck. 15:37:39 I guess no 15:37:48 or what? 15:37:50 I make no guarantees about such things happening when it's not the weekend. 15:37:58 pikhq, ah right 15:38:00 sorry 15:46:38 -!- Corun_ has joined. 15:54:04 -!- MikeRiley has joined. 15:57:54 pikhq: what is <::> 15:58:17 [] 15:58:50 -!- eth01 has joined. 15:58:54 -!- eth01 has left (?). 16:08:31 tusho: that bit was evidentally invented by someone who didn't like lexer-writers 16:08:49 hee 16:09:24 And by someone who liked obfuscated C. 16:13:12 can you mix mono-, di-, and tri-graphs? 16:14:13 Yes. 16:14:30 You want even more insanity? 16:14:39 Digraphs, like monographs, are considered tokens. 16:14:40 monographs? 16:14:44 Trigraphs are preprocessed. 16:14:48 tusho: The ordinary characters. 16:14:58 a 16:19:14 In format English, if I want to put a footnote after a sentence, should the number be after or before the period? 16:20:14 I suggest 'whatever LaTeX does'. 16:20:39 pikhq, it depends on where you put the footnote symbol iirc 16:20:56 Bleck. 16:21:01 Well, I firmly don't know. 16:21:10 anyone else? 16:26:28 well, you could just do the logical thing 16:26:43 if it refers to the whole sentance, put it outside 16:36:56 -!- Corun_ has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 17:02:30 -!- Hiato has joined. 17:03:51 pikhq: that obfuscated bubble sort has some nasty undefined constructs in it 17:04:05 SimonRC: It assumes GNU C, obviously. 17:04:20 more than that too 17:04:20 What other undefined constructs do you refer to, though? 17:04:30 it uses and increments a variable in one expression 17:05:00 "putchar(b[1[i]]) + b++;" 17:05:34 Ah yes. 17:05:53 I'm evil. 17:05:55 you do the same thing elsewhere 17:06:06 I think that's well-defined in GNU C, however. 17:06:14 pikhq: and non-pedantic compilers can make your code break 17:06:42 Non-GCC compilers choke on it already. 17:06:48 AnMaster: simple 17:06:52 if it's a footnote about the whole sentence 17:06:53 Expression statements are a GCC-only feature. 17:06:53 after the . 17:06:58 if it's about the last part of the sentence 17:06:59 before 17:07:11 tusho, thanks 17:07:16 the first code block is gratuitous; you can use comma-expressions 17:07:18 This was covered in J's sucky article[1]. 17:07:18 [1]: http://j.com/sucky 17:07:35 On another note, I hate J.[1] 17:07:35 [1]: http://cool.com/why_i_hate_j 17:07:47 -!- Tritonio__ has joined. 17:07:47 pikhq, what bubble sort? 17:07:49 tusho: looks like how I'd do it 17:07:53 hello 17:08:15 SimonRC: I also follow Djikstra's parenthesis stuff, mostly 17:08:30 pikhq, got a link to your implementation that you were discussing? 17:08:32 tusho: where is that? 17:08:34 or does SimonRC have a link? 17:08:38 Foo. (If a whole sentence is a parenthesized note, the period goes within the parens.) Bar. 17:08:45 and starts with a caps 17:08:51 http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/bubble.c 17:08:56 tusho: well duh; that's obviously the correct way to do it 17:09:00 SimonRC: no 17:09:03 i was buyy typing 17:09:05 that was just the first part 17:09:12 anyway, I now realise I don't quite follow djik's conventions 17:09:13 I do this 17:09:13 pikhq, oh god 17:09:18 Foo (if, however, it's within a sentence, start with a lowercase letter and end it outside). 17:09:18 (the "well duh" was partly ironic, BTW) 17:09:20 pikhq, golfing? 17:09:21 as for quoting 17:09:29 "If a whole sentence is a quote, within." 17:09:35 tusho: yep, that's how I do it too 17:09:37 If, however, I am just quoting "you suck", outsid. 17:09:38 e 17:09:41 No; my golfed version uses the preprocessor, and counts as a one-liner. :p 17:09:42 (that is non-standard) 17:09:50 standard is putting the comma in the quote 17:09:52 which is braindead 17:09:58 (don't have it handy; it's on frodo, which I won't have access to for a couple more weeks yet) 17:10:05 pikhq, hah, well afk for a bit, food 17:10:12 pikhq, tell me how it works though when I get back 17:10:15 pikhq: I suspect that the other two code blocks could be removed too if you turned the whole program into a state machine. 17:10:26 It's just bubble sort. 17:10:31 SimonRC: Meh; too much effort. 17:10:38 :p 17:10:41 (for fun, do it with recursion on main and ?: as the only control structures) 17:10:59 QUESCOL 17:11:10 (reference to http://rghosh.free.fr/essays/quescol.html, some idiot's article) 17:11:16 (he advocates writing JS with mainly recursion and ?:) 17:11:33 skip to /* parse a CSV line recusively, in quescol style */ 17:11:34 and laugh 17:11:42 also note JS' lack of tail recursion 17:12:06 tusho: ouch 17:12:18 otherwise, that would be a nice functional style 17:12:23 -!- Tritonio__ has quit (Client Quit). 17:12:27 SimonRC: apart from the syntax 17:12:33 so, apart from the whole point of it, it's nice ;) 17:12:43 also the fact that its totally non-idiomatic 17:12:50 so you're basically making it hell for anyone else to read or modify it 17:12:54 * SimonRC reads it... 17:13:42 my quoting style would put the punctuation in the quoted text if it was part of the quoted text. Note that I would distinguish quoting the whole contents of a sentance and quoting the whole sentance. 17:16:22 -!- MikeRiley has quit ("Leaving"). 17:17:52 -!- Hiato has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:18:08 needs slightly better indenting and more pares, but otherwise quite readable 17:18:15 -!- Corun has joined. 17:18:37 maybe splitting it into seperate functions for states 0 and 1 would help 17:20:50 and some of those conditions need to o the other way out 17:20:54 *go 17:21:49 wow, his indentation just goes down the plughole at the end of that function 17:23:17 in fact, escaping should be a third state 17:28:16 -!- MikeRiley has joined. 17:29:14 SimonRC, I find the "procedural" style easiest to follow 17:29:22 but I guess it is just due to being a C programmer 17:29:27 ah, waitamo, he continues to improve it... 17:29:49 SimonRC, you disagree I guess? 17:30:00 MikeRiley, hi! 17:30:01 SimonRC: even if it is kinda nice, it'll be horrid to write and its hideously non-idiomatic 17:30:03 hello 17:30:04 and the whole stack thing 17:31:28 multiple return values would be nice; dunno if js can do those 17:32:32 * SimonRC would like a comment box on that blog 17:34:59 MikeRiley, what exactly is the point of 3DSP? 17:35:37 it provides vector and some matrix operations... 17:35:47 on 3d vectors... 17:35:48 are they hard to implement in Funge? 17:35:53 not hard at all... 17:35:58 hm ok 17:36:29 i thought once about doing something really crazy and writing a simple raytracer in funge,,,and needed the 3d vector/matrix operations to do it... 17:36:34 MikeRiley, I do see the point of providing floating point (could be hard to implement) and sqrt, sin and so on (could also be hard to implement) 17:36:57 funges do not do function calls nicel 17:36:57 the floating point was not hard,,,since single precision is 32 bits, same as the cell size,,, 17:36:58 y 17:37:12 SimonRC, depends, try SUBR 17:37:19 if you use SUBR then function calls work out ok... 17:37:43 -!- lilja has joined. 17:37:53 MikeRiley, anyway how would you handle denormals and such in pure funge version of floating point? 17:37:59 it would be nice to have a "side call" instruction 17:38:01 I hope you didn't implement it using mini-funge! 17:38:06 do not need to... 17:38:11 no? 17:38:23 i use a union with a 32-bit integer and a floating point value... 17:38:33 as long as you do not use the fp cells for integer math, then it works fine... 17:38:39 MikeRiley, yes right, I thought you implemented it in mini-funge :P 17:38:43 which would be quite a feat 17:38:43 it pushes the "next" location on the return stack, then instead turns left/right and goes that way... 17:38:48 while doing it in C is easy 17:38:49 i read the cells using the union, and do the math from the union... 17:38:53 I do it using a union 17:39:02 nice and fungey rather than that crap with calculated offsets 17:39:04 MikeRiley, same 17:39:04 no, did not do it in minifunge, would have been too hard!!! eheheheheheeh 17:39:22 (a return would simply pop+jump) 17:39:37 MikeRiley, my interpreter will support mini-funge the day someone write TRDS in pure mini-funge (I don't think that is possible) 17:39:40 :P 17:39:48 i doubt that is possible!!! eheheheheheeheh 17:39:56 well, befunge is turing-complete 17:39:59 too tied into the interpreter... 17:40:05 you'd have to write a befunge interpreter in the mini-funge 17:40:09 which implements TRDS 17:40:10 yes... 17:40:13 that is what you would have to do.... 17:40:15 which would be crazy 17:40:23 and dang slow!!!!!!! 17:40:26 anyway mini-funge couldn't implement FILE either 17:40:33 not without expanding it.... 17:40:36 indeed 17:40:40 I done some extending 17:40:51 based on !Befunge's extended mini-funge 17:40:59 called dynafing 17:41:08 i have seen a page on that somewhere... 17:41:27 brb phone 17:41:29 phlamethrower.co.uk IIRC 17:41:47 phlamethrower = same site as the one with the befunge domain name 17:41:56 quite 17:41:57 save for the logo and link to the other domain 17:42:05 err, nt logo 17:42:07 just the index page 17:42:14 on the other one it adds '# Wondering what the deal is with the domain name? Head over to my befunge pages to find out.' 17:42:27 who runs that site? 17:42:29 seems it's still updated 17:42:39 My email addresses are phlamethrower@quote-egnufeb-quote-greaterthan-colon-hash-comma-underscore-at.info, or alternatively me at phlamethrower dot co dot uk. 17:42:40 his name is there somewhere 17:42:45 I think 17:42:51 i think it is... 17:43:28 hey Deewiant, did you see my email about the FIXP errors??? 17:46:05 I did now :-) 17:48:16 hmm, I wonder if the _ is just flipped 17:48:20 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 17:48:29 MikeRiley: what does the stack look like at (37,523) 17:49:26 hold on. let me see if i can find out... 17:49:41 RC/Funge-98 has a debugger, no? :-) 17:51:34 yes it does... 17:51:58 so just do "bp 37 523" or whatever the command was 17:54:19 does not look like 37 523 is an instruction it will stop at... 17:54:48 meh 17:54:51 there should be a _ there 17:54:51 tested break points at other addresses and works fine.... 17:54:56 hmmmmmm 17:55:04 maybe you've got a different origin than I do 17:55:09 line 524, column 38 17:56:05 or hmm 17:56:07 let me try again... 17:56:10 if it doesn't stop there 17:56:22 does it go to (45,520) (a w)? 17:56:34 let me try... 17:56:44 maybe the w is flipped actually 17:56:50 stopped at that 17:56:55 what's on the stack 17:56:59 hold on 17:57:10 0 350000 8191 8191 8192 17:57:22 alright 17:57:33 and next it probably goes to (45,519) right? 17:57:38 let me see... 17:57:49 yes... 17:58:07 alright, so I've just got the w wrong 17:58:38 hopefully a simple fix... 17:58:47 yeah, it is 17:59:10 or it should be 17:59:17 ;-) 17:59:20 eheheheh 17:59:47 meh, stupid code results but oh well 17:59:57 since there isn't much room there so I have to do a bit of jumping around :-P 18:00:12 or there is quite a bit of room actually, I just don't want to move code around 18:00:52 yeah,,,always fun editing funge code!!!! 18:02:15 your asin is wrong 18:02:22 17.45760312 is the exact result 18:02:30 17.4575 is wrong then 18:03:10 depends on rounding and precision.... 18:03:18 not rounding 18:03:26 since it's over 17.4576 you can't round it to 17.4575 18:03:32 and since this is fixed point, the precision is fixed 18:03:32 true,,,,, 18:03:53 in my interpreter it is doing all the math in floating point and converting back... 18:03:56 so you can't say it's due to floating point inaccuracy :-P 18:03:59 sure 18:04:03 maybe you should doubles instead :-) 18:04:06 alright, so I've just got the w wrong 18:04:07 +use 18:04:08 Deewiant, what? 18:04:08 probalby should!!! 18:04:14 Deewiant, what is going on with w? 18:04:26 w turns left or right or goes forward 18:04:30 I had the left and right cases the wrong way around 18:04:31 Deewiant, yes I know 18:04:37 Deewiant, in all places? 18:04:40 in two places 18:04:47 in mycology that is? 18:04:53 yes, in FIXP 18:05:01 Deewiant, anyway, does this affect my FIXP implementation? 18:05:04 you're probably not getting any BADs from FIXP so it doesn't affect you 18:05:07 ah 18:05:08 right 18:05:10 no BAD 18:05:16 it's the places where it checks for two possible answers 18:05:25 whereas i am getting a couple bads with numbers that are correct... 18:05:25 Deewiant, however if I change k behaviour I get BAD from random places in mycology 18:05:35 AnMaster: yes, that's to be expected 18:05:41 and mycology is to be updated in that regard. 18:05:56 Deewiant, well when will it be updated like that? 18:06:07 weekend, as I've said often before 18:06:12 ah right 18:06:14 or hopefully the weekend, anyway 18:06:24 yeah,,,always fun editing funge code!!!! 18:06:27 I got a trick 18:06:32 to make maintainable funge code 18:06:42 it makes it almost like a normal programming language 18:06:42 and that trick is??? keep space!!!! eheheheheeh 18:06:48 just end every line with: 18:06:49 11x> 18:06:53 11x> 18:06:58 aligned like that 18:07:09 i see.....interesting.... 18:07:18 " si gnidaeH :FEDNU">:#,_A.a"seerged">:#,_ 11x> ; UNDEF: Initial heading ; 18:07:18 "( era sdnuoB :FEDNU">:#,_U.."( )",,,..a'),, 11x> ; UNDEF: Bounds ; 18:07:18 a7+3*5*N 0C 11x> ; Clear with blue. Set pen to black ; 18:07:18 0H 1P 11x> ; Set direction, pen down. ; 18:07:19 MikeRiley: there's a new version of mycology up, just redownload it, should work hopefully... 18:07:20 is an example 18:07:24 MikeRiley, that works really well 18:07:28 ok,,,,will go and grab it.... 18:07:42 brb 18:09:42 yep,,,,that looks better.... 18:10:07 Hey, the lambda calculus functions form a ring, don't they? Makes me wonder if there are any prime functions. 18:10:13 a couple more bads scratched of my list.... 18:10:36 $ ./cfunge -S catseye/diagt.b98 18:10:36