< 1217548856 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: i could just get tusho.org < 1217548860 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I like creative domains < 1217548864 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ephemera.org, ontological.org < 1217548868 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all great places to dump stuff < 1217548872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all taken. < 1217548877 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.net? < 1217548884 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epheme.ra? < 1217548894 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.com? < 1217548909 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1217548911 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1217548924 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I can put a bashbot in here. < 1217548937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: 1. it's not related to networks 2. I'm kind of going for longetivity (ironically) so I'd prefer a correct domain - in this case, .org 3. see 2 4. I do not consider my identity tied to a country in any way and do not wish for a permanent URL to depend on my current location < 1217548956 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1217549195 0 :Tritonio_!n=tritonio@150.140.226.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1217549219 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to bed
< 1217549324 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else suggest a nice name along the lines of ephemera.org, ontological.org? < 1217549485 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epistemological.org? < 1217549488 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1217549498 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transient.org? < 1217549506 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do all these mean, anyway? < 1217549517 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: ephemera is non-permanent information < 1217549521 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff not recorded < 1217549528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :washed out by the tides of time, flotsam and jetsam < 1217549537 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try transient.org, then: stuff passing in and out of existence quickly. < 1217549544 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ontological ... well, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology < 1217549549 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Taken. < 1217549552 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squatted, even. < 1217549565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I couldn't type epistemological.org all the time :) < 1217549579 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ontology looks really boring. < 1217549656 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1217549660 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ontological.org is a nice name. < 1217549664 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does this chair exist?" "Yep." "Prove it." "It's obvious." "No it isn't." "Yes it is." "What if your senses are being deceived?" "Then maybe it doesn't exist." < 1217549673 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ephemera.org is still my favourite < 1217549678 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think I could kill the photographer guy < 1217549681 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and steal the odmain < 1217549682 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*domain < 1217549693 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does 3 exist?" "Yep." "Prove it." "It's obvious." "Could it possibly not exist?" "Nope." "Prove it." "Make it not exist." < 1217549757 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes 3 not exist
< 1217549757 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAM < 1217549779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1217549832 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1217550208 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1217550352 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-178-238.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1217550563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Wikis. < 1217550566 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1217550579 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A three-line wiki, based on wikke (http://inamidst.com/proj/wikke/) sans backlinks. < 1217550584 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requires a server that can support PUT. < 1217550595 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setup: Same as wikke. Usage: Ditto. < 1217550671 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone wanna offer something shorter? < 1217550673 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, wait... < 1217550747 0 :adu!n=ajr@pool-71-163-40-170.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217550774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. < 1217550779 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought you could use with() but it's the same length < 1217550805 0 :mental!n=lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217550826 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what language? < 1217550835 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: That three line one? < 1217550844 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three line? < 1217550852 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1217550863 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1217550868 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in lisp = atomic <|> parens $ many $ lexeme lisp? < 1217550868 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage & installation @ http://inamidst.com/proj/wikke/. Mine is the same as wikke, but I removed the backlinks. < 1217550875 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: no < 1217550876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://inamidst.com/proj/wikke/ < 1217550878 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr < 1217550879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1217550881 0 :mental!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lament < 1217550887 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1217550887 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1217550888 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1217550891 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: from [[ to ]] < 1217550894 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a full wiki implementation < 1217550906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usage & setup @ http://inamidst.com/proj/wikke/ - mine is identical wikke, but I removed backlinks < 1217550914 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus removing the php dependency < 1217550920 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and making it a bit shorter < 1217550991 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1217551006 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes a textarea'd version and puts it up online
< 1217551021 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1217551034 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to make language < 1217551047 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wish it was as easy as 3 lines < 1217551093 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does that mean my above code is a full implementation of lisp? < 1217551112 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: no < 1217551118 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see where you draw the analogy < 1217551125 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine doesn't call out to some library or whatever < 1217551156 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :golf'd to 162 chars: < 1217551157 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< 1217551160 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts it online
< 1217551178 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to try it out < 1217551229 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: ello. < 1217551233 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're trying to make a language? < 1217551250 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hbi < 1217551257 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: yers < 1217551264 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes 2 many spelling errors
< 1217551286 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: are you interested / also designing one? < 1217551296 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made a few, though I rarely implement them. < 1217551308 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm interested in seeing what this language is all about. < 1217551318 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've implemented 2, but only at the parser level with some basic interpreters behind them < 1217551341 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all about lists and sets < 1217551361 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds cool. < 1217551377 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly believe that a good foundation based on these will give more abstract functions < 1217551378 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you describe it? < 1217551381 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1217551386 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1217551428 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its going to be a mix of strong static typing (for homogeneous lists/sets) and weak dynamic typing (for heterogeneous lists/sets) < 1217551449 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how I'm going to pull that off... but thats an implementation detail < 1217551504 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, the syntax isn't something of debate, commas (,) for homogeneous lists/sets and semicolons (;) for heterogeneous lists/sets, and [...] for lists and {...} for sets, obviously < 1217551593 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1, 2, 3] is a hom-list [3; "hello"] is a heter-list, {a, b, c} is a hom-set and {3; find_average x; res = y} is a heter-set < 1217551671 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking since most code blocks in all languages start with some identifier anyways, like "with" or "let" or "do" or "for", just make these functions that take heter-sets or heter-lists and evaluate them in parallel or sequentially (respectively) < 1217551732 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because [1, 2, x=y] would evaluate to [1, 2, x=y] but "do [1, 2, x=y]" would evaluate to "y" as in most langs < 1217551754 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack that should be [1; 2; x=y] bcuz its heterogeneous... < 1217551756 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1217551805 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I also would like to experiment with well-documented "fields" < 1217551823 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything between the commas/semicolons is a "field" or whatever you wanna call it < 1217551850 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each field is of the form (id = patt : value :: type ::: doc) < 1217551868 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where everything except "value" is optional < 1217551940 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "doc" would be used for formal documentation, such as labels for building GUIs, or function descriptions for building API/manuals < 1217551985 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since each field is going to possibly be a binding, that binding will be in effect throughout the list/set < 1217552004 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like [x=5, x] could evaluate to [5, 5] < 1217552039 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure when that evaluation will take place, though, because I also want bindings to be either first-class or reifyable < 1217552105 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1217552162 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can treat these also as maps/cases like "do [x=False, [True: 3, False: 4] (some operator?) x]" to give 4 < 1217552221 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to treat [True: 3, False: 4] as a function from bool to int, but there are other problems with doing that... < 1217552260 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I may just have to think up some higher-order thing like Monads or something to deal with it cuz I want to write just "[True: 3, False: 4] False" == 4 < 1217552303 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference between "id=" and "patt:" being that one establishes a binding, and the other pattern matches against an input, like in a lambda < 1217552345 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm assuming "True" and "False" would already be established, so we don't want to redefine them... < 1217552393 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: making any sense so far? < 1217552470 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1217552495 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem like you need monads to treat something like [True: 3, False, 4] as a function. < 1217552532 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...anyways, "if x y z" could be implemented "{True: y, False: z} x" and "case" very similarly < 1217552534 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Python, {True: 3, False: 4}[False] is 4, I think. < 1217552547 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1217552548 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1217552596 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways I also have some other ideas about modules, objects, and first-class types, but thats kind of auxiliary, thats the jist of it < 1217552626 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1217552654 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the languages that have inspired me the most are Io, Scheme, Haskell, and Mathematica < 1217552674 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm probably going to reimplement some of their features eventually... < 1217552697 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods vigorously
< 1217552702 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda hard to combine those meaningfully :) < 1217552735 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have put a great deal of thought into the map combinator < 1217552746 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps too much thought < 1217552749 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: mathematica < 1217552751 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1217552756 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: why :( < 1217552773 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible language, horrible implementation < 1217552802 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I think its a great language, and a great implementation, you have to be more specific < 1217552811 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i don't :) < 1217552823 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1217552828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unrelatedly, wolfram is a jerk) < 1217552833 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1217552844 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats probably true, most CEOs are < 1217552897 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls the announcement when our resident ais523 proved that the 2,3 machine is TC
< 1217552901 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: they're pretty similar if you look past their plethora of differences ;) < 1217552913 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: your in UK? < 1217552922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aha! Some guy did this. Whatever. But anyway! This is so great. this means that I WAS RIGHT. Therefore we can further my rightness by leveraging how right I am." < 1217552924 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: yes < 1217552931 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1217552961 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: did he actuallly say that? < 1217552983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: that was paraphrased, duh < 1217552987 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1217552999 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.wolfram.com/index.php?year=2007&monthnum=10&name=the-prize-is-won-the-simplest-universal-turing-machine-is-proved < 1217553010 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram on how right he is and something about some stupid guy named Alex Smith that did something < 1217553029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes a real genius to guess a complex-looking thing is tc < 1217553062 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with infinite storage, that's like so rare. < 1217553062 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could guess something like that < 1217553066 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my toilet is TC < 1217553067 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when making a language it's hard not to make a lang tc < 1217553106 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no its easy < 1217553122 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Not if you go past trivia. < 1217553133 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where trivia is being used as the plural of trivial.) < 1217553143 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1217553154 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so brainf wouldn't count? < 1217553159 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about half of branf? < 1217553169 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1217553176 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of brainfuck < 1217553178 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which half? < 1217553188 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like instead of - and + just + < 1217553196 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead of < and >, just > < 1217553210 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all you can do is increment and move forward < 1217553217 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and without jumping operators < 1217553225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect Alex needs to kick Wolfram's ass. < 1217553228 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's TC < 1217553249 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think it's more amusing to watch them bumble around. < 1217553249 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, Alex should sue Wolfram for $75,000 more < 1217553287 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: no, but it doesn't really qualify as a programming language because you can't write anything in it < 1217553301 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: like java? < 1217553315 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't write anything in java, you need your brain examined < 1217553337 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1217553340 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just + and > is TC < 1217553344 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a wrapping tape + cells < 1217553354 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- = 256(or 255) * + < 1217553362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i don't think so < 1217553364 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< = 3000(or 2999,3001 whatever) * > < 1217553369 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: No. < 1217553378 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: You need to be able to do a loop. < 1217553380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Need*. < 1217553388 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. So you have [ and ] < 1217553393 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and , and . < 1217553398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't just + and > < 1217553401 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1217553402 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya I tried to do "public override static bool reduce = \xs -> foldr (+) $ repeat xs" < 1217553404 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it didn't work < 1217553405 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'and without jumping operators' < 1217553413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, real minimalism in Brainfuck? < 1217553422 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh god, it's hilarious because you made fun of Java. < 1217553425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stick it to the man. < 1217553432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boolfuck for one... < 1217553456 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i don't see how, either you have a finite tape, and so cells must be infinite, and so loops don't work; or the tape is infinite so you have no memory < 1217553476 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: true... < 1217553479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then < 1217553500 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: if you lack - you cannot use infinite-size cells usefully. if you lack < you cannot use an infinite tape. if you lack both, you have no way to use infinite memory < 1217553501 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ and > aren't tc no matter what size and number of cells you have < 1217553505 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears someone has managed to create a Brainfuck-based system with 3 instructions. < 1217553507 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1217553523 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need either infinite cells or an infinite amount of cells, and in both cases either + or > is insufficient for doing anything < 1217553577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always glad to repeat a point made by two people. < 1217553591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is that trepeating? < 1217553596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tripeating < 1217553607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: trepanation, to get it through his THICK SKULL < 1217553612 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har har < 1217553669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1217553689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what adding # for appending a zero cell to the right end does < 1217553709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not enough < 1217553711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that P'' that predates brainfuck managed to combine a couple of the commands and have just 5 (ignoring . and ,) iirc < 1217553738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki has a more extreme example < 1217553760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1217553778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boolfuck with byte sized cells < 1217553781 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is exactly that < 1217553792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, what? < 1217553816 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 opers < 1217553821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr < 1217553829 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually don't you get 5 by just removing - < 1217553948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yeah < 1217554038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think you can still merge + and > < 1217554086 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye for today < 1217554087 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes < 1217554088 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it +> < 1217554090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or >+ < 1217554091 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1217554106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1217554119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so four, and coding is still simple as hell < 1217554145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coding is simple? i mean compilation < 1217554146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1217554160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay page loaded! not that i need it anymore < 1217554236 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1217555696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1217556281 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: you still there? < 1217556451 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1217556619 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1217556840 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1217556865 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o hi < 1217556881 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you have any more comments about the lang I described above? < 1217557695 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't seem very esoteric. < 1217557857 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol < 1217557860 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats +>? < 1217558169 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive < 1217558417 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: what if it had no assignment < 1217558438 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has no assignment. < 1217558444 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1217558780 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no purely functional language has assignment. < 1217558788 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or atleast no reassignment < 1217558819 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho i imagine you could design a system that's purely functional but allows assignment < 1217558858 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by passing around an implicit state object from statement to statement in CPS < 1217558861 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1217558896 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In CPS? < 1217558903 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuation passing style < 1217558905 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that necessary? < 1217558917 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, perhaps not exactly CPS < 1217558918 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1217558929 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implicit state object passing style. :-) < 1217558940 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if we did it explicitly < 1217558946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or showed it, or whatever < 1217558955 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like x = x+2 becomes something like < 1217559001 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :function (state) { < 1217559001 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return newState = copy(state, { x: state.x+2 }); < 1217559002 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1217559006 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something, in JS-style < 1217559036 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.. deleted the newState = < 1217559037 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1217559074 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then if you'd do after that x = x*3; that'd be function (state) { return copy(state, { x: state.x*3 }); } < 1217559081 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each of these would be involved, btw. < 1217559091 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so x = x + 2; x = x * 3; < 1217559095 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would just be < 1217559106 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second(first(startState)) < 1217559113 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once pondered the idea of having \x being a value distinct from x that takes a value and somehow binds it to x. < 1217559114 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in haskellian style < 1217559118 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first >>= second < 1217559119 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1217559191 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its atleast possible to model state-based computation without using state-as-such < 1217559220 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would that do, ihope? this \x thing, i mean < 1217559569 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could define your own operator, :=, saying that "\x := x + 2" increases x by 2. < 1217559678 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1217561092 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The \x would take a value and bind it to x? < 1217561130 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you pass the "binder" into any function that can bind values to variables. < 1217563730 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1217564618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1217565276 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1217565406 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@83.194.36.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1217565696 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure i follow, ihope. < 1217565698 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats ok. < 1217565797 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1217567146 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217567816 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1217570832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it's about 17. < 1217570850 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?? < 1217571259 0 :megatron!n=moozilla@207-118-25-75.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217571267 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.cust.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1217571535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: think about it, i guess you might get it eventually < 1217571564 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand! :O < 1217571802 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1217571919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eyes hurt < 1217572630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so see you, barely -> < 1217573880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1217576090 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1217577599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1217577600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1217578086 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1217578212 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1217578327 0 :jemarch!n=jemarch@213.157.30.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1217582133 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1217582198 0 :megatron!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"- nbs-irc 2.37 - www.nbs-irc.net -" < 1217585002 0 :Dewio!n=dewi@124-171-216-71.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1217585774 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) < 1217586484 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.96.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1217587845 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"You're still in denial. It's easier to lie by saying that I'm lying than to face truth." < 1217588838 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1217589938 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-178-238.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1217590789 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1217590799 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-048-169.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1217592518 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe10fa00-141.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1217593839 0 :ais523!n=ais523@vc01-fap01.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1217593867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho < 1217593872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1217593873 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just sat down < 1217593874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thsi second < 1217593876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally < 1217593891 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I replied to someone who had messaged me while I was gone with "back" < 1217593893 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I saw that < 1217593901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good timing, then < 1217593906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L;' < 1217593906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASD fghjkl;' < 1217593907 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZXCvbnm,./ < 1217593909 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1217593919 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bad timing < 1217593922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had no chance < 1217593932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok < 1217593941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are forgiven < 1217594519 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host95-85-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1217594557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1217594582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, too many domains are taken < 1217594586 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :domains suck < 1217594587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1217594611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the next big thing: hexspeak in IPv6 addresses < 1217594617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you don't need a DNS < 1217594621 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1217594622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's still memorable < 1217594632 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about companies < 1217594642 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think apple or microsoft will be happy with having to use 1337speak < 1217594651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I just made that up, but it's still a great idea < 1217594657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if everyone else is doing it they will to < 1217594659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/to/too/ < 1217594664 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A10101E < 1217594686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that meant to spell? Anyway, you need a colon every four chars < 1217594693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in 9009:1e:: < 1217594702 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meant to spell apple < 1217594704 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 = P < 1217594706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1217594709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google is easier < 1217594724 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a101:01e:: < 1217594755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the taken domain in question is ephemera.org which is taken by some stupid photographer who ended the site in january 2007. < 1217594757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a10:101e:: would scan better, you don't want a colon in the middle of a letter < 1217594764 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn photographers >:( < 1217594792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I decided that I didn't want tusho.oprg) < 1217594793 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*org < 1217594802 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because the content could very well outlive me. Wishful thinking, I know.) < 1217594830 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I would like it not to depend on me for maintainence. So the footer will probably link to /maintainer/ which would redirect to /tusho/, etc.) < 1217594842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you aren't going to end up creating a completely portable website that's robust against everything < 1217594852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I can sort-of understand not wanting a geographical website < 1217594862 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, but say I get tired of the site < 1217594869 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and give up on doing anything with it < 1217594873 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like for someone else to be able to take it up < 1217594880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just name it with the null string so that it's just as inappropriate no matter what the website's used for < 1217594886 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll be freely licensed, kept in a git repository, have it not depend on me, etc < 1217594896 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, http://ephemera.org/ looks cooler than http://tusho.org/ < 1217594897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you call it anything else at all, that's restricting what content you can put on it to some extent... < 1217594907 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not unless I use the power of irony < 1217594916 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a long-term, well-preserved site calling itself 'ephemera.org') < 1217594968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use the power of non-irony for the actually ephemerical content on it < 1217595166 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll get botte's project namer to name it for me < 1217595590 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://pastebin.ca/1089610 < 1217595593 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :botte plugin example < 1217595647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it tell a variable from a literal < 1217595654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in the karma nickname command < 1217595664 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't have literals in command arguments, generally < 1217595684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so everything before the first space is literal, everything after's a variable? < 1217595685 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like in ruby you can't do: def foo(bar, "baz", quux) < 1217595690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1217595694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can in Prolog! < 1217595694 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first word is the command name < 1217595698 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so depends on the command prefix < 1217595703 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :botte will probably use . < 1217595705 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so .karma+ tusho < 1217595719 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the argspec => doc thing is using a nice little trick of ruby's < 1217595724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does a variable called 'nickname' automatically limit the possibilities to nicknames? < 1217595730 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1217595739 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's how it does "keyword arguments" - if you do foo => bar in an arg list, it makes it all a hash < 1217595745 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo bar, baz, quux => bang < 1217595749 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== foo bar, baz, {quux => bang} < 1217595758 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it gets the argspec as the key and the documentation as the value < 1217595772 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, i think intentionally restricting it to nicknames is bad here < 1217595776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider .karma- microsoft < 1217595780 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should handle case insensitivity thouhg < 1217595810 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1217595825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about prefix/suffix insensitivity? < 1217595832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy should count the same as ais523 < 1217595837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to Freenode's nick rules < 1217595853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note that for historical reasons punctuation marks have case on Usenet too < 1217595857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. { is capital [ < 1217595861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly lowercase [ < 1217595864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get confused... < 1217595874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and s/Usenet/IRC/ < 1217595876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i am going to ignore the { vs [ thing < 1217595878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how they managed that
< 1217595882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Nobody Cares < 1217595895 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the simplest thing that could possibly work etc < 1217596082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're going to fall afoul of people with nested comments in their email addresses < 1217596090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've taken to doing that in various places recently to see what happens < 1217596097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slashdot seems not to mind, but that's not very surprising < 1217596106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, I rarely do much validation of emails < 1217596114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1217596126 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to check for it having an @ in it, a . in it after the @ (but not directly after) and that's about it < 1217596134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I really need to know it's a real email I send a confirmation email < 1217596189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders about the possibility of tusho's ISP being mean to em by setting up the bounce message for an invalid address to look like an acceptance of the registration or whatever
< 1217596199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, that's not how you do it < 1217596210 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's basically impossible to tell if an email has actually been sent with servers < 1217596214 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you send an email with a link with a secret token in < 1217596223 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like http://site.com/activate/dsfiuyds89ru23894u9898duf89sf892345 < 1217596226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, I know < 1217596229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1217596234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally it's done so that the reply can be done via email too < 1217596239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. email with a secret token < 1217596246 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can never be sure, your view of the web is ... unconventional < 1217596248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the mean-bounce-message thign I was mentioning < 1217596249 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, like that < 1217596253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barely anybody does that any more < 1217596260 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mailing lists, sure. but never websites < 1217596275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: my view of the Internet is unconventional in that it involves more than just the Web < 1217596282 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course < 1217596285 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not web-centric < 1217596288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like the web a lot < 1217596297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most people are web-centric < 1217596310 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to its low barrier for content creation and generation, ubiquity and the wide range of content it can support < 1217596542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the reason I said Usenet rather than IRC by mistake is that Slashdot were linking to an article claiming that Usenet was dead (and in the comments, someone claimed that it was now finally October 1) < 1217596573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're wrong, though, it's still September, just worse than ever < 1217596577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sort of month 9+i < 1217596598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all have to do our bit to edge closer to october 1... < 1217596620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that basically involves persuading all the idiots on the internet to become more sensible, I doubt that'll happen ever < 1217596645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sdate date < 1217596645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri Sep 5449 13:17:19 BST 1993 < 1217596655 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the 31st of August wasn't perfect... < 1217596657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such a shame, really... < 1217596682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally sdate is the sort of thing that would drive AnMaster mad) < 1217596685 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.s. my birthday is in 21 days, huh. < 1217596695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what? < 1217596698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives me an idea, actually, I wonder what happens if I run cfunge under sdate < 1217596707 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It uses posix_time. < 1217596712 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll just pass right through. < 1217596715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no system have a command sdate here < 1217596719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked all of mine < 1217596731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well it's not the sort of thing I'd expect you to install < 1217596732 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders why AnMaster thinks all software is installed by default
< 1217596735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wraps all the date system calls < 1217596740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you get Eternal September dates < 1217596745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.................. < 1217596752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it confuses a lot of software though as it isn't used to getting day values above 31... < 1217596757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I just checked that it wasn't < 1217596785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, try ddate, I think most systems with GNU coreutils have it < 1217596788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is rather silly < 1217596792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=631969&cid=24419297 < 1217596801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y claims all of the following: < 1217596803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[snip] < 1217596813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That the day of the month is 73 < 1217596813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That the month is 30 < 1217596813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That the year is 1993 < 1217596822 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I linked to an article a bit ago when someone had a database that they got converted to access ... and the discordian calendar < 1217596822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :month is 30? < 1217596829 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole forum was wtfing < 1217596829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, it seems to have come up with an eternal 1993 < 1217596836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than an eternal september < 1217596836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they are shifted < 1217596846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, all are stored in one 32-bit int < 1217596848 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the date format is year + month*256 + day*256*256 or something < 1217596851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but bit shifted < 1217596855 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably little-endian actually < 1217596858 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyhoo < 1217596859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that would explain why it got it wrong < 1217596876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> AnMaster: I linked to an article a bit ago when someone had a database that they got converted to access ... and the discordian calendar <-- heh what!? < 1217596882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, link? < 1217596890 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sorry, lost it < 1217596896 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was great though < 1217596900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1217596903 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(p.s. alt.inside-jobs.nine-eleven.wake.up.sheeple) < 1217596982 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://forums.devshed.com/database-management-46/ddate-discordian-date-problems-321852.html < 1217597068 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this quote: "Why cause chaos?" < 1217597073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very zen < 1217597082 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, non-zen < 1217597244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, are the dates in the db actually discordian? < 1217597245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1217597263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of the alleged justification for INTERCAL (as opposed to the real one) < 1217597263 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, I knew I shouldn't have sent AnMaster that link < 1217597266 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But it's NOT SENSIBLE" < 1217597273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't at all indeed < 1217597287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster doesn't quite seem to fit here because he's too sane compared to the rest of us < 1217597303 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: most sane people can laugh at a joke, though < 1217597318 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster points out how the premise is illogical and how it isn't sensible < 1217597342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: for all I (and you) know, that's one massive joke that AnMaster's having at our expense < 1217597351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I hope it is, actually, if that behaviour actually does happen < 1217597356 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then he's a huge bastard :P < 1217597364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course whether it is or not AnMaster will deny it < 1217597366 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's driving me mad! < 1217597369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1217597370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1217597397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sorry, there really isn't a sensible response to what I just said, and I apologise for digging you into a hole like that < 1217597400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, actually I find that link quite funny < 1217597403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just very very wtf < 1217597423 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually he could have said "But that's utterly ridiculous!" < 1217597468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: pretty much anyone who is either a programmer or reads lots of Terry Pratchett can easily decode the hidden meaning in that < 1217597473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in other channels ppl tend to think I'm *insane* after all, I wrote a modular irc bot in bash and so on < 1217597477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, or who is used to dealing with politicians < 1217597493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and I got all Terry Pratchett books < 1217597497 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have < 1217597501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maps and so on < 1217597503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :factor love [ honk ] when "http://vjn.cc/x" logs >>url | #esoteric: measured on an entirely different scale of insanity < 1217597504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, sorry, right < 1217597509 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how many times he'll correct got vs have in his lifetime
< 1217597511 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1217597511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed < 1217597516 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should write a script to do it < 1217597529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have that right! < 1217597534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... got that right < 1217597550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1217597556 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe just imploded < 1217597563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster made a joke ... and it was funny :O < 1217597572 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :O looks funny on this font < 1217597573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1217597584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screenshot? < 1217597708 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe < 1217597774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://pastebin.ca/1089636 < 1217597778 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :full karma plugin < 1217597781 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including Karma class < 1217597822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, for what irc bot? < 1217597826 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: botte < 1217597833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bring it online? < 1217597840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, also you know envbot can do that ;P < 1217597847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think e's finished writing the bot yet < 1217597849 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course envbot can do it < 1217597850 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trivial < 1217597854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho just spends ages thinking up syntax for it < 1217597860 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, not really < 1217597864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like writing a spec for a language but not an interp < 1217597867 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of like weak BDD < 1217597885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing an executable test case then I implement what is needed to make it operate < 1217597887 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bdd but lets me avoid learning bdd and be lazy :D < 1217597907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: have you ever come across UML? < 1217597908 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1217597917 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other examples I'd made in the past broke down on more complex stuffs < 1217597917 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1217597920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the most crazily complex programming language I've ever seen that isn't TC < 1217597920 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, unfortunately < 1217597927 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't a programming language though. < 1217597931 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you CAN programmatically translate it < 1217597936 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's even crazier than uml itself < 1217597963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm not sure whether it's a very unusual programming language, or a non-programming-language entity that is used for programming < 1217597969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are arguments to be made both ways < 1217598168 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1217598227 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://img.skitch.com/20080801-t534mi4i68xk3xfpf73q6qmrn2.png < 1217598248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes it does < 1217598252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the different colour? < 1217598263 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: this client displays smilies by giving them colours < 1217598267 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of awful images < 1217598275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, my client does neither < 1217598276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1217598278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer text smilies < 1217598282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just plain text < 1217598286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the images < 1217598287 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test :) :D >:) xD :< < 1217598290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Mibbit I click on all the smilies when they arrive to change them into text < 1217598303 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer text smilies too but this effect is kinda neat < 1217598307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Konversation I just get the text though < 1217598308 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.skitch.com/20080801-p7psigy2ksgr8g9q16f643bwsx.png < 1217598326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD not xD < 1217598328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO < 1217598332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD looks silly < 1217598350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD looks even more like a seizure than xD < 1217598366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, oh? < 1217598370 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1217598374 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at it on its side < 1217598375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh I can't get suspend to ram to work < 1217598401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, depends on font I guess < 1217598410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitstream Vera Sans Mono here < 1217598450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: suspend to ram depends on which font you're using? < 1217598458 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.skitch.com/20080801-nu3ip2hiyjugrkbgxkaunx14uk.png < 1217598489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no... < 1217598495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, unrelated discussions < 1217598506 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that was called a joke < 1217598524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well my joke detector is very weak you know :P < 1217598526 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1217598531 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :del.icio.us 2 just launched < 1217598545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1217598557 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you know ... del.icio.us < 1217598568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, seems they're redirecting to delicious.com now < 1217598575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet another page like digg and so on right? < 1217598576 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first widely-known domain pun finally gives it up! < 1217598579 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not really < 1217598584 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bookmark site. < 1217598598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lets you use across computers, etc < 1217598605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it also tracks kind of diggy stuff like popular bookmarks right now < 1217598605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, where does icio.us go? < 1217598609 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tags of bookmarks and similar < 1217598615 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doesn't resolve < 1217598624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ridiculous < 1217598628 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1217598633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they bought an entire domain just to access one subdomain? < 1217598638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could rent the rest of it out... < 1217598644 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: to be honest, their domain is del.icio.us < 1217598650 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just had to do a hack to get that second dot < 1217598653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway they use delicious.com now < 1217598657 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a shame, I liked that domain < 1217598731 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he could murder the ephemera.org photographer and steal the domain
< 1217598735 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The murder is just for effect.) < 1217598749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you'll have changed your mind about the domain name next week, though... < 1217598760 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why? :) < 1217598772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just extrapolating, I don't know the reason < 1217598793 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally I'm so finnicky about domains that htey last a while < 1217598801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the whole money thing. < 1217598874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1217598879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pla.net/ <-- secret site! < 1217598910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esme seems to have been updated again < 1217598917 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ESMESMesmes!!ESME < 1217598931 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1217598939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more I look at that the more I'm convinced it's an elaborate trolling attempt < 1217598940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure < 1217598953 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=veebeewiki&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a < 1217598969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you turn up? < 1217598981 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.webwizguide.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=22809 < 1217598984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making some ASP.net wiki software called "VeeBeeWiki", which is looking pretty good so far. It'll probably be ready for download in another month or two. < 1217598986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a coincidence < 1217598992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably < 1217598994 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, 'vb' < 1217598996 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :visual basic < 1217598997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh= < 1217599005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the conclusion I jumped to < 1217599007 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1217599009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why would it require Perl? < 1217599011 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he forgot to remove the shameful category < 1217599012 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1217599038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(.*)i/$1/ < 1217599468 0 :pikhq!n=Pikhq@asst01.asunix.tufts.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1217599590 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1217599621 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, on the new subject of bad ideas: http://compilr.com/ < 1217599671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I was thinking about something along those lines for INTERCAL < 1217599677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot simpler though, upload source, download a binary < 1217599685 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ESO will have one for esolangs < 1217599687 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so < 1217599689 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1217599693 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll execute on _ESO's_ servers in our case < 1217599695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternatively have it compiled into something that you could run over the Internet < 1217599699 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just stupid: you cannot trust the binaries < 1217599703 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to check them you have to have a compiler of your own < 1217599713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it depends on if you trust the sire < 1217599716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sire/site/ < 1217599722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of people download and run random binaries < 1217599735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe I should get C-INTERCAL to target JSMIPS somehow < 1217599743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it can < 1217599747 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just compile the c ... < 1217599753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what I thought of doing < 1217599761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the output may or may not need tweaking for the different OS < 1217599820 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: seen https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=448604? < 1217599824 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great < 1217599840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> the more I look at that the more I'm convinced it's an elaborate trolling attempt <-- I'm pretty sure that is the case < 1217599844 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mozilla team got trapped by a rockslide < 1217599848 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they filed a bug report < 1217599854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all it is totally impossible to implement the language from it < 1217599857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is actually correct < 1217599864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one of the few uses of the 'blocker' severity < 1217599871 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway < 1217599871 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6udge/mozilla_team_trapped_by_rockslide_in_whistler/c04w6pt < 1217599874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means 'we literally cannot do any work until this bug is fixed' < 1217599881 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilariously idiotic comment < 1217599883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's so rare < 1217599885 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good lord... < 1217599900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can do work ais523 < 1217599901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Compilr' seems like one of the most stupid ideas I've ever heard. < 1217599907 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they obviously have a computer and an internet connection < 1217599917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't be useful for anything with more than 1 file, it seems. < 1217599918 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore can check in commits just fine < 1217599922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I suppose so < 1217599927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're at a cybercafe, say < 1217599935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without access to anything that can compile the source < 1217599939 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: compilr! < 1217599952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah; it has a full IDE. < 1217599961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it even more awful, IMO. < 1217599979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think there should be an option to upload source and download binary, just make it clear that this isn't particularly trustworthy < 1217599987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also to upload source and download source in a different language < 1217599987 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs > IDE. < 1217599988 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1217599996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX > IDE. < 1217600008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you have at least one decent editor < 1217600029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=448604#c35 < 1217600032 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://cm.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/1/emacs < 1217600041 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'BUGS: Yes.' < 1217600052 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vi(1) linked is also entirely unrelated < 1217600061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is Compilr? < 1217600066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: compilr.com < 1217600075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: from their FAQ, apparently an online compiler and IDE < 1217600085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you edit files Google Docs-style, then download the resulting executables < 1217600097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Vi simulates the execution of a MIPS binary in a Plan 9 environment." < 1217600105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll really confuse people who expect it to be an editor... < 1217600108 0 :adu!n=ajr@pool-71-163-40-170.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217600116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Actually, ed > IDE. < 1217600117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ehhehe? < 1217600119 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't think plan9 was intended to be an easy switch < 1217600135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that site seems insane? < 1217600141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: of course it is < 1217600142 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1217600145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tusho, pikhq and I are all on agreement with you on that < 1217600155 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1217600161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notices that tusho and I agreed on something again
< 1217600168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must... disagree... with... tusho... < 1217600172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it's a great idea! < 1217600173 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I disagree. < 1217600176 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't we just agree? < 1217600177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now all we need is a version for Linux < 1217600194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is stupid < 1217600198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: because it would be a Harbinger of the End of the World < 1217600201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I agree with tusho on that < 1217600208 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you missed my joke < 1217600218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, I noticed it, just ignored it < 1217600219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I think that the end of the world should come. < 1217600222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's funnier that way < 1217600222 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g* < 1217600231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually, I reckon that the end of the world was years ago < 1217600235 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i agree, it is funnier that way < 1217600241 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1217600255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ... < 1217600258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's xkcd? Brilliant. < 1217600275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION solves that Rubik's cube.
< 1217600276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's it about? I think xkcd's somewhat patchy, sometimes it's excellent and other times it's boring < 1217600286 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: title: Frustration < 1217600289 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :img: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/frustration.png < 1217600291 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :title text: < 1217600299 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Don't worry, I can do it in under a minute.' 'Yes, I've noticed.' < 1217600304 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION = ircxkcdbot
< 1217600308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt text? < 1217600315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the same thing < 1217600316 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Hi, Bucket. < 1217600317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1217600328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused by overexposure to IE during my formative years < 1217600348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily I learnt mostly the right subset of JScript despite only having Microsoft docs to rely on < 1217600361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a quick search-and-replace was enough to sort out the uses of document.all that had crept into my code < 1217600371 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the final innovation on xkcd will be a comic without images < 1217600383 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a big coloured space saying "Hover over to read the title text." < 1217600392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would the title text be? < 1217600436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An image. < 1217600438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1217600462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that would be classic if there was some way to get browsers to support it < 1217600464 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it'd change each time! < 1217600467 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that would be fun < 1217600472 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just do it as a JS tooltip < 1217600481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of that < 1217600481 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about images and text < 1217600483 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1217600483 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :little icons for the characters < 1217600484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then people like me wouldn't be able to read it < 1217600499 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then the title text would be "Please enable JavaScript to experience Comic 2.0" < 1217600562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> pikhq: what's it about? I think xkcd's somewhat patchy, sometimes it's excellent and other times it's boring <-- agreed < 1217600573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :userfriendly.org is quite a good comic btw < 1217600584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd's sometimes patchy, but I find that it's always worth checking. < 1217600585 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :userfriendly is awful < 1217600591 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, truly awful < 1217600599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same 15 jokes for over ten years < 1217600605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a third of them are funny < 1217600613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Userfriendly: sometimes funny, but typically mundane. < 1217600618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still check it, though. < 1217600619 0 :fizzie!n=fis@sesefras.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1217600675 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you'd think he'd get better at drawing over 10 years < 1217600689 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, it's still awfully drawn with choppy lines < 1217600744 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubersoft? < 1217600759 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of it. < 1217600769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of it but can't remember what it is < 1217600781 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be Yet Another Tech Comic. < 1217600782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yawn. < 1217600859 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Endorsements / "Desperately Unfunny." / "The artwork is lame and repetitive, the 'jokes' are either inside software industry jokes or thinly disguised anti-capitalist rantings." / "Are there really 80 people who find any reference to Microsoft in a web comic funny?" / "Why has this been running since 1996? Who actually reads it? Who is the idiot who reads it every day and posts the 'good' ones up on reddit? Doesn't he realize he is wasting his time?"]] < 1217600867 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best form of posting criticism on your site as if they're endorsements < 1217600870 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is when they're totally right. < 1217601046 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i've been thinking about copyleft < 1217601061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, what conclusions did you come to? < 1217601076 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want people to have the right to restrict rights, but I don't want hippies to have the right to take away the rights mentioned in this sentence by using the GPL or similar < 1217601077 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1217601092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the only solution is a kind of pseudo-copyleft < 1217601099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's head spins
< 1217601121 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION follows ais523's head spinning with his eyes
< 1217601123 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whe < 1217601126 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whee < 1217601164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fundamental problem with all copyrighting schemes is that one person's right to do anything is incompatible with another person's right to do anything < 1217601173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to restrict something somewhere to avoid a contradiction < 1217601197 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but on the other hand I'm fine with people using my crap in commercial software < 1217601200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not releasing their modifications < 1217601208 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I have given them the right to do that < 1217601258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I'm not. < 1217601267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whether that should be allowable or not rather depends on the software, for instance something I'm doing at the moment is attempting to recompile the shareware GPL compiler I told you about a while ago to make it freeware again < 1217601267 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and you are not me < 1217601276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because I think everyone should have the right to change whatever software is on their system. < 1217601284 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I don't < 1217601284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of complicated because the sources they gave don't obviously correspond to the binaries < 1217601290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least the build system doesn't < 1217601291 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is about my software and what I want it to be done with < 1217601301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, shareware gpl compiler? < 1217601303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, link? < 1217601303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, this issue of what rights should apply to software is kinda complicated, since it seems kinda. . . Undecided. < 1217601320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Shareware GPL? < 1217601327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there isn't a straightforward link to it, it's behind several links and ⁎⁡*⁕⁑⁢⁂⁎-protected entries on microchip.com < 1217601329 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to allow people to be able to, say, distribute my software commercially with modifications without releasing it. But I don't want people to be able to make changes under the GPL so that the people mentioned in the previous sentence can't do that, really. < 1217601334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you have to register an account to download it < 1217601340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, tell us about it then < 1217601350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is it for? < 1217601350 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Then you want the impossible. < 1217601361 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, that's actually pretty possible (I think) < 1217601364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: AnMaster: basically a microcontroller manufacturer went and rewrote gcc to target their own product < 1217601366 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd just be very awkward wordin < 1217601366 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1217601368 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably falwed < 1217601370 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*flawed < 1217601374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then put a shareware restriction on it < 1217601376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me a non-copyleft license, and I can add copyleft to it. < 1217601376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes I know what microchip is < 1217601382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then released the resulting code and binaries under the GPL < 1217601385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, don't they make the PIC*? < 1217601387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the binaries being shareware < 1217601389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's it < 1217601395 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Which is why I said it'd have to be pseudo-copyleft. < 1217601395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I programmed PIC12F629 once < 1217601396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in asm < 1217601404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, was fun writing the serial interrupt stuff < 1217601408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Contact the Software Freedom Law Center, please. < 1217601409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so have I, except I normally use the PIC12F628 < 1217601413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the FSF. < 1217601413 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's legal < 1217601414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's legal AFAICT < 1217601419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How?!? < 1217601423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah maybe it was 628, not sure, 62x anyway < 1217601424 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You can sell GPL software. < 1217601425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you know? < 1217601427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1217601430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it was a few years ago < 1217601433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's nothing to stop you editing out the sharewareness and recompiling < 1217601442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the fact that the build system doesn't work all that well < 1217601452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sharewareness is in the source code itself? < 1217601455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1217601456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then. < 1217601460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's stupid. < 1217601462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even controlled by a #define < 1217601463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legal, but stupid. < 1217601475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I reverse-engineered it to simply fake a valid licence < 1217601481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very easy with the source code installed < 1217601497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not 100% sure that the result of that can be redistributed, so instead I want to recompile without the check for a licence < 1217601501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which chip is that compiler for? < 1217601511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 16-bit dsPIC ranges < 1217601513 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Out of curiosity. Say I had written some non-copyleft software (say BSD3 or MIT) and you made some big changes to it. Would you license your changes under the GPL or keep my license? < 1217601514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1217601520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, those are DSPs? < 1217601524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1217601533 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I'd keep it under the BSD license. < 1217601540 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Good, at least we agree there < 1217601550 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I merely disagree that the BSD license is the *best* free software license... < 1217601555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it would depend on what my changes were < 1217601568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I would also keep current license, unless all I did was reuse, say. a 10 line function from you in an existing 2000 line GPL program < 1217601568 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is by no means justification for a fork. < 1217601568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Unless you were linking to a GPL'd library... < 1217601581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: or I was using your program as a library in a GPL program < 1217601584 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1217601587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is possibly even more likely < 1217601588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, but if I reused more than just a few lines I would keep your license < 1217601589 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you know what I meant. < 1217601609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I never assume that < 1217601611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, can we all agree on something else license-related: djb is pretty much an idiot regarding his position on licenses < 1217601618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or never ought to anyway < 1217601619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye < 1217601621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: djb? < 1217601622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, he is < 1217601625 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: daniel j bernstein < 1217601625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing the license, unless you have a *really* good reason for it, is just plain stupid, IMO. < 1217601630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, author of qmail and djbdns < 1217601631 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically he doesn't provide a license < 1217601634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a copyright note < 1217601637 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and argues that you can still change it < 1217601642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, they are public domain now < 1217601647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: only some < 1217601655 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html <-- the specific idiocy < 1217601657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, qmail and djbdns are iirc < 1217601665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, which is all I use from him < 1217601674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be interesting to write a license which was in fact an esoprogram < 1217601677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in lawyerspeak < 1217601681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sort of lawyer-IRP < 1217601698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah :D < 1217601716 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus, this ubersoft comic sucks < 1217601728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why are you still reading it? < 1217601736 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's amusingly bad < 1217601761 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you start from the start or something? < 1217601771 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1217601774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1217601788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was, IIRC, '95. < 1217601794 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :96. < 1217601798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read xkcd, userfriendly and http://www.darthsanddroids.net < 1217601800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a year off. < 1217601824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did read dm of the rings before it completed < 1217601882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read xkcd, User Friendly, Ubersoft, Saturday Morning Breakfast Comics, Cyanide & Happiness, PvP, Ctrl-Alt-Del, If-Then-Else, Dresden Codak, Penny Arcade, Simulated Comic Product, GPF, and Subnormality. < 1217601900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION = webcomic fan. :p
< 1217601911 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyanide & happiness is probably one of the worst webcomics online today that is popular < 1217601924 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: I only read Ctrl-Alt-Del out of morbid curiosity, not out of enjoyment now) < 1217601927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I agree < 1217601932 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: CAD is worse. < 1217601937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By orders of magnitude. < 1217601943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is just one CAD I liked < 1217601948 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few funny c&h, but not enough to warrant a whole comic < 1217601957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one with "call xxxx-not-l33t" < 1217601962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know what one I mean < 1217601985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is if-then-else? < 1217601992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifthenelse.comicgen.com < 1217601998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done by a friend of mine. < 1217602010 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always wanted to make a comic about lifeforms in GoL < 1217602073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also used to read Minus (before it stopped). < 1217602113 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1217602582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apache needs to be able to AddHandler a cgi < 1217602591 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so that it gets the file as argv[1] of course) < 1217602621 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AddHandler /crazyformat-to-html .crazyformat < 1217603023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh; I also forgot to mention that I read VGcats. < 1217603040 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you know, the video game comic with an update schedule almost as bad as Dresden Codak's?) < 1217603061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleck; I read a lot of comics. < 1217603078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every few minutes I think of another one that I read. < 1217603661 0 :ihope!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217604650 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.last.fm/2008/08/01/quality-control < 1217604665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bears! < 1217605092 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1217605167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DHS Allowed to Take Laptops Indefinitely" < 1217605193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. There goes another amendment in the Bill of Rights. < 1217605254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All laptops going through the DHS should have all drives on them encrypted, IMO. < 1217605286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is DHS? < 1217605294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Department of Homeland Security. < 1217605295 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: department of homeland security < 1217605314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for a moment I thought pikhq was referring to the parcel company < 1217605315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True upholders of freedom. < 1217605328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har < 1217605337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A more appropriate name is the Department of Searchs and Seizures Without Warrent. < 1217605337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, same here < 1217605344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1217605345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Warrent/Warrant/ < 1217605346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible < 1217605348 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: For Your Security. < 1217605356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the police state. < 1217605369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pointless anyway < 1217605371 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like the UK isn't going that way, either... < 1217605386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same in Sweden too < 1217605389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1217605390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because anyone with valuable data can simply store it on a server somewhere and transport a blank laptop across the border < 1217605407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then get the data back from the server over the Internet using scp or something like that < 1217605411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah < 1217605423 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Logic? You must be a terrorist. < 1217605428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid we'll have to do a full body search. < 1217605441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wouldn't turn up anything either < 1217605453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides the people with the biggest problems with this are apparently businesspeople < 1217605457 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1217605460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who often store trade secrets on their laptops < 1217605464 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a strange porn plot. < 1217605475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jebus. < 1217605486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DHS can take 'anything that can hold analog or digital information'. < 1217605495 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, what, everything. < 1217605502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything. < 1217605510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legally, they could even take your flesh. < 1217605522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, NOW it's a strange porn plot. < 1217605559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, huh? you are just 12 and shouldn't know about that ;P < 1217605568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or your brain < 1217605568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shut up AnMaster. < 1217605569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only Amtrak were more usable. < 1217605580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Amtrak? < 1217605595 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak < 1217605596 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The American passenger train system. < 1217605606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which has like 3 lines that are actually useful... < 1217605607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1217605611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1217605632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got quite good trains here in Sweden < 1217605666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, our train system and mass transit systems have been shut down by auto manufacturers and the Federal Highway Commission. < 1217605669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: HAVE < 1217605676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, sorry... < 1217605686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1217605692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, our country has been screwed over by our government. < 1217605703 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Zomg!1111. < 1217605706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't I *get* it right this time! < 1217605707 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breaking news. < 1217605716 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ITYM '?' < 1217605720 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'!' denotes an exclamation. < 1217605725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ITYM"? < 1217605728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Think You Mean. < 1217605732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ok should be !? < 1217605734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ?! < 1217605743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: or ‽ < 1217605748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> ITYM '?' <AnMaster> "ITYM"? < 1217605749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err what is that? < 1217605757 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Interrobang. < 1217605761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only you'd used the same sort of quote mark... < 1217605762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang < 1217605764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, err? < 1217605777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a fuzzy ? in this font < 1217605784 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang < 1217605788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cross between ? and ! < 1217606066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm < 1217606068 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I keep the current < 1217606081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for the end of the sentence
< 1217606085 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plugin :name => "description" do < 1217606087 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : author "foo" < 1217606090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : version "bar" < 1217606093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : command (ETC) < 1217606093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end < 1217606095 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1217606100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1217606102 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I remove the toplevel 'plugin' and do: < 1217606103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just code it... < 1217606105 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name :name < 1217606109 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :description "description" < 1217606109 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1217606111 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :command (ETC) < 1217606119 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, arguably the whole block is redundant < 1217606123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, one thing you *should* add is API version < 1217606127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like plugin API < 1217606131 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no. < 1217606142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you change it in future you can have backward/forward compatiblity < 1217606150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compatibility < 1217606154 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no. < 1217606160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, why not+ < 1217606164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/+/?/ < 1217606167 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pointless < 1217606172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, why? < 1217606173 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever I change the api I change all the plugins < 1217606180 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody else will write a plugin apart from maybe ais523. < 1217606188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then it'll probably go in the repository < 1217606191 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus updated when the api does. < 1217606191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I might, just to annoy you < 1217606196 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then I'll let it break. < 1217606210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, envbot interface plugin XD < 1217606341 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thoughts? < 1217606371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: invent an entirely different format for the plugins and then convert it into tusho-format-of-the-week with m4 < 1217606376 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1217606380 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1217606390 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't offer a third option < 1217606391 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1217606405 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1217606510 0 :MikeRiley!n=rileym@las-static-208.57.195.80.mpowercom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217606657 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1217606663 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff3.1a awesomebar has wildcards < 1217606665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want regexps < 1217606696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the awesomebar actually < 1217606703 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1217606705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people don't because they type the start of the URL < 1217606706 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want regexps in it too < 1217606712 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just wildcards < 1217606716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've got used to being able to type slr and flr and get the appropriate pages < 1217606749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesomebar? < 1217606756 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: firefox 3 location bar < 1217606766 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :location/history/bookmark searcher all in one < 1217606768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> some people don't because they type the start of the URL < 1217606775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I normally type or copy the url < 1217606780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean then? < 1217606786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you type the whole URL it works the same way as all other browsers < 1217606802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and if you type the start it tab completes I hope? < 1217606805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you type a few letters, FF3 searches your bookmarks and the URLs and titles of recently visited websites < 1217606806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not I will hate it < 1217606809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does tab-complete I think < 1217606815 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster < 1217606825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it works as in ff2 I will be happy < 1217606826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does, just tested < 1217606827 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster < 1217606831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes? < 1217606845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster < 1217606850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes? < 1217606852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :............. < 1217606859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people think it's different from FF2, but in my experience I can do everything with it I could before, and more < 1217606886 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1217606888 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.96.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1217606905 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And then-" < 1217606919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ??? < 1217606919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is up with tusho? < 1217606923 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.96.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1217606927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first weird highlights < 1217606930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then odd part and quit < 1217606931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1217606937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc client fuckup < 1217606937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked the same here too < 1217606939 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1217606946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it doesn't just complete on prefixes < 1217606963 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a page titled Foo djsdfksdfsdf Baz in your history, and not anything else with thatm iddle word < 1217606966 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you type that middle word < 1217606968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tab complete < 1217606971 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll fill in the url for that page < 1217606984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 'foo bar baz quux' would be matched by 'bar quux' < 1217606991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it complete on urls < 1217607007 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, because inferior software is cooler < 1217607007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw I'm still of FF2.x < 1217607024 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it completes on urls too < 1217607032 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it completes anywhere in the URL, not just the start < 1217607038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it also completes on page titles etc < 1217607074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, pointless features < 1217607078 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointless? < 1217607079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1217607085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox is just getting more and more bloated all the time < 1217607085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it pretty useful < 1217607091 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I so love not being able to get to pages really quickly and easily < 1217607094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there really ought to be two firefoxes < 1217607098 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's totally hardcore to go diggin for it < 1217607099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1217607102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that's very stripped down, and one that's bloated < 1217607107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, good! < 1217607119 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, you know what? I just love unusable software that can't find things quickly for me. < 1217607122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or another idea < 1217607124 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares about finding things? pffft. < 1217607126 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pussies. < 1217607130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can both be happy < 1217607139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about a kernel like config? < 1217607144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you can select each feature < 1217607147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you want < 1217607156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe they could do that with extensions < 1217607164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a very simple browser, and everything else is extensions < 1217607174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1217607178 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how AnMaster calls finding things quickly and easily "bloat", though < 1217607185 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have your new browser AnMaster - I call it 'telnet'. < 1217607193 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has absolutely no tools for finding things. < 1217607468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it is not a useful feature to me, being able to select a word and google for it is however < 1217607482 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot pass judgement on that until you try it < 1217607498 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-112-58-34.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1217609322 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1217609351 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1217610405 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you'll be pleased to know that i'm implementing botte no < 1217610406 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1217610414 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometime today I hope to have the link log up and running < 1217610624 0 :jemarch!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ERC Version 5.0 (CVS) $Revision: 1.1.1.1 $ (IRC client for Emacs)" < 1217613023 0 :kar8nga!n=ctc@m-42.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1217613574 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217613981 0 :lament!n=lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217614648 0 :MikeRiley!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1217614779 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you think every handler should boil down to a regexp and a closure? < 1217614783 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like the best, and easiest way to do it < 1217614795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, that's how bsmnt_bot did it < 1217614816 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's how all of my bots have done it, really < 1217615048 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you think it needs hooks for each part of the bot code (that is, [[yield_to_plugins :startup]] or whatever) or just handlers for irc stuff? < 1217615051 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the latter should be fine < 1217616669 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :factor love [ honk ] when "http://vjn.cc/x" logs >>url | #esoteric: measured on an entirely different scale of insanity | This channel is publicly lagged. < 1217617149 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1217617394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1217618044 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I typo'd while typing "tpyos" < 1217618194 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1217619558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"(1) DO COME FROM ".2~.2"~#1 WHILE :1 <- "'?.1$.2'~'"':1/.1$.2'~#0"$#65535'"$"'"'&.1$.2'~'#0$#65535'"$#0'~#32767$#1"" < 1217621377 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1217621840 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207.118.24.247 JOIN :#esoteric < 1217623035 0 :MikeRiley!n=rileym@las-static-208.57.195.80.mpowercom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217624476 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, who's going to write the Proce interpreter? :-) < 1217624493 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the spec? < 1217624513 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does it do? generate sound? < 1217624524 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Proce, I imagine. < 1217624535 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can generate sound if you listen to one of the signals. < 1217624569 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i didn't realize it was an esolang < 1217624571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1217624665 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1217624683 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin = i!(1 - i!sin) < 1217624692 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is horribly wrong about that definition. < 1217624716 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be more specific. < 1217624723 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell < 1217624799 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it know the value of sin at 0? < 1217625207 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get how it works at all.. nor lowpass :( < 1217625224 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't lowpass have a cutoff constant in it somewhere? where does it go? < 1217625989 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host95-85-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1217626138 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poke < 1217626152 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: poke < 1217626155 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope-ing < 1217626162 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm? < 1217626174 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: answer my multitudinous questions < 1217626186 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: it's a definite integral. At 0, it's the integral from 0 to 0, which tends to be 0. < 1217626194 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with clarity, dignity and poise < 1217626225 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the definition of the low pass filter? < 1217626232 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one on the page? < 1217626256 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1217626263 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :low = i!(sig - low) < 1217626288 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has a cutoff constant thing: low = k*i!(sig - low) < 1217626320 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me for a split second. < 1217626402 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1217626406 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know nothing about dsp :( < 1217626422 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? < 1217626432 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital signal processing? < 1217626442 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how would one, mm, implement this < 1217626453 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I thought digital signal processing was stuff like compression and digital error correction. < 1217626455 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a bit tricky < 1217626480 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One would implement this using a floating point variable or so for every signal and every integral. < 1217626504 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you differentiate something, use a variable for now and a variable for one step ago so that you'll be able to calculate the derivative. < 1217626519 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just do that, all the errors would add up and it'd be all over the place. < 1217626534 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but on the plus side, it's easy) < 1217626541 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what error correction is for. < 1217626551 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for error correction you need quite a bit more than that. < 1217626595 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one can write a symbolic integrator for those restricted cases? < 1217626635 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or simply have the interpreter go on the mathworld integrator website :) < 1217626648 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the sampling rate approaches infinity, the interpreter will approach perfection. < 1217626674 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming it uses arbitrary-precision floating points or something, which make things really ugly, in fact. < 1217626688 0 :MikeRiley!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1217626695 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but sampling rate doesn't actually approach infinity. < 1217626709 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is solving differential equations < 1217626716 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44100Hz is close enough to infinity that we can't hear the difference, at least. < 1217626728 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: for the first couple of seconds, at least < 1217626763 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a course on just this subject, don't remember much already < 1217626768 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to write an actual program in this, you'll want to make small errors not matter anyway. < 1217626810 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can make a signal that's -1 when another signal is negative, 1 when it's positive. < 1217626818 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how you'd use it for "progarmming" < 1217626850 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems more interesting for music generation... < 1217626869 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And things like pianos aren't fragile: the noise from air molecules hitting strings randomly doesn't cause them to make random horrible noise. < 1217626875 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing a piano in this would be tricky :) < 1217626888 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help me, then! :-) < 1217626938 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin = i!(1 - i!sin) goes at 1 Hz. Make it go at 440. < 1217626981 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, make that sin = i!i!sin, since we're probably going to pluck the integrals anyway. < 1217627011 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you actually want to try to control it using one input signal. < 1217627050 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the challenge of that, actually. :-P < 1217627054 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin = i!i!sin = zero function < 1217627070 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you set the integrals in the middle of execution. < 1217627098 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let's have a "sndin" signal that functions as input. You hit a string by... being clever. < 1217627148 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in real life, you don't play a piano by putting a speaker next to it and playing piano sounds into the speaker. You play it by pressing keys. < 1217627158 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let's have a "key pressed" signal for every key. < 1217627241 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damp each string or not based on whether the signal is 1 or not; pluck them based on the derivative of the signal. < 1217627333 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well, damp it a lot when the signal is 0, damp it a little when it's 1. < 1217627337 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is too complicated :) < 1217627343 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aivhi = i!i!aivhi and you have a string that vibrates at 1 Hz. We want it to vibrate at 440 Hz instead. < 1217627371 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aivhi = 440*400*i!i!aivhi? < 1217627390 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is absolutely not too complicated. :-) < 1217627443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1217627445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing? < 1217627452 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing a piano in Proce. < 1217627458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proce? < 1217627468 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My analog signal processing esolang. < 1217627491 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: making it sound like a piano mostly involves tweaking a lot and a lot of stuff, though. < 1217627493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1217627494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1217627498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, got specs? < 1217627501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to read them < 1217627505 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: on the wiki. < 1217627522 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: indeed. That being the case, I don't want it to sound exactly like a piano. :-) < 1217627561 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's pretty boring < 1217627592 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you create a bunch of frequencies, then you damp them with different profiles < 1217627617 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i have any idea how to do any of that in Proce < 1217627702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, what functions exist < 1217627709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki page only mentions sin() < 1217627727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, and what are d! r! and i!? < 1217627729 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, aivhi = 440*440*i!i!aivhi is a 440 Hz oscillator. We want it to resonate, so we add a constant times the "sound" signal, and we want it to damp, so we subtract a constant times its integral, I think. < 1217627763 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there are no functions in existence already; you have to define your own. d!, r! and i! differentiate, rectify (chop out all the negative bits) and integrate, respectively. < 1217627781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, so how is sin() defined? < 1217627786 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recursively. < 1217627803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, is it part of the standard library ;P < 1217627825 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: include it at the top of all your programs, if you want. < 1217627931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1217628041 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of a useful extension. < 1217628192 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-66-31-43-229.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217628210 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitions such as low(sig) = i!(sig - low(sig)), so that you don't need to define a new low-pass filter for every signal. < 1217628222 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'd be evaluated at compile time, so Don't Get Any Ideas. < 1217628389 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1217628544 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine a post-digital age, when artificial intelligence methods are used to simulate digital processing on analog machines. < 1217628560 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting tomorrow. < 1217628598 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: sounds silly < 1217628608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Sounds infinitely recursive. < 1217628613 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :analog systems are not known for being good at simulating digital ones < 1217628720 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: I have a name for it. Shteam-schmeam-punk. < 1217628729 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no. Steam-schmeam-punk. < 1217629029 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schemepunk < 1217629075 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey all < 1217629119 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to make an esolang based on the concept of emergence < 1217629136 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im not sure how i would do so < 1217629141 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: isn't the universe pretty much analog anyway? < 1217629167 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is with extreme inefficiency that we get it to do digital things < 1217629178 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: and that's why we should embrace the analogness of it all. < 1217629205 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be tricky < 1217629214 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you mean by "analogue" < 1217629222 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why we should use artificial intelligence to do it for us. :-) < 1217629225 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not black/white < 1217629226 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: you mean like game of life, or you mean like any language with functions in it? < 1217629248 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: sounds very difficult but very interesting. :-) < 1217629264 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess things like Conway's Game of Life aren't "very difficult". < 1217629267 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean any language < 1217629276 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not too familiar with the game of life < 1217629309 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm envisioning something where there are symbols and the code 'emerges' from how they are laid out < 1217629392 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods gently
< 1217629780 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: sounds like programming < 1217629823 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh that was sort of an ambiguous way of putting it < 1217629869 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my goal is to make the actual code the hardest to find thing < 1217629924 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the "actual code" is hard to find given what you feed to the implementation? < 1217629934 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or given what you want the program to do? < 1217629950 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: sounds like programming in Brainfuck. < 1217629985 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the program actual does < 1217629990 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually* < 1217630012 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you looked at brainfuck... or, say, assembly? < 1217630017 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :P < 1217630029 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is fairly obvious though < 1217630119 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In philosophy, systems theory and the sciences, emergence is the way complex systems and patterns arise out of a multiplicity of relatively simple interactions." < 1217630142 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think I know what you mean. < 1217630150 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want the code to be the "side-effects" < 1217630155 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that makes sense < 1217630180 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same way that in the Real World, life is a "side-effect" of the laws of physics? < 1217630190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tricky. < 1217630202 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: exactly < 1217630225 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me for a moment while I tinker with scales. < 1217630354 0 :adu!n=ajr@pool-71-163-40-170.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217630378 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: well, excuse me while I scale with tinkers < 1217630480 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: Isn't that like looking for a way to get rid of fractions from a system of numbers that has a multiplicative inverse. < 1217630491 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or trying to invent a better sort of integer? < 1217630497 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure :P < 1217630508 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like it'd be cool to me < 1217630530 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: I agree. < 1217630550 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just can't think of a way to implement it < 1217630811 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues calculating his scale
< 1217631032 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be semi-tragic if Notepad were to crash right now. < 1217631050 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Ctrl-s < 1217631076 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buena idea. < 1217631165 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buen. < 1217631196 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, i'm wrong < 1217631198 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buena. < 1217631288 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1217631289 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Primordial < 1217631299 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is sort of what i was thinking about < 1217631308 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The intervals from C, according to Scala: unison, septimal neutral second, major whole tone, septimal minor third, major third, perfect fourth, septimal tritone, perfect fifth, septimal minor sixth, major sixth, harmonic seventh, classic major seventh, octave. < 1217631335 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With septimal intervals for maximum harmonic content, of course. < 1217631370 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: sounds like a more complicated version of game of life. < 1217631402 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more complicated is always good :) < 1217631412 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a zero-player version of Go, actually. < 1217631415 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but doesn't necessarily lead to any... emergent properties :) < 1217631438 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we all know that a zero-player version of Go is the Ultimate Goal of Humanity. < 1217631531 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero player version of go sounds really boring < 1217631545 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game ends right away because there are no players who haven't passed! < 1217631621 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't end there, as there is undecided territory < 1217631641 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can end at any time < 1217631659 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not undecided < 1217631667 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dame < 1217631673 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's < 1217631763 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/version/variant/ < 1217631767 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nitpicker :-P < 1217631890 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good idea < 1217631906 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esolang based on the game of Go < 1217631923 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Turns out that in this scale of mine, all the black keys are flat to a significant degree except for CD, which is sharp by over half a semitone. < 1217631960 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention that it's a complicated 35/32 interval away from unison. < 1217631970 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds painful to hear < 1217632002 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That particular note, yes. < 1217632064 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily, it's the fourth key to be flattened, if you're flattening. It's the second key to be sharpened. < 1217632086 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens to major chords
< 1217632114 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you doing that? < 1217632120 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scala. < 1217632144 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew that haskell wannabe was useful for something < 1217632162 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, tinkering with scales and tunings is for complete losers and nutjobs. < 1217632198 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the major chords with white tonics sound pretty good, except for E, which has C#. < 1217632199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and scala users < 1217632199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1217632201 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I repeated myself < 1217632204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait < 1217632205 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I repeated lament < 1217632208 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1217632223 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think nobody uses Scala except people who tinker with scales and tunings. < 1217632229 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scala is more of an OCaml wannabe, surely? < 1217632252 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: is that the FP-for-the-JVM one? < 1217632261 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: I have no idea. < 1217632276 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: yes it is < 1217632278 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1217632280 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not thinking I'm referring to a programming language called Scala, are you? < 1217632284 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: yes, we were. < 1217632286 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1217632293 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: i wasn't, but i enjoyed confusing the rest of the channel. < 1217632300 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahaha. < 1217632303 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1217632304 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1217632308 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my joke still works < 1217632309 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1217632455 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ihope. < 1217632457 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your interpreter. < 1217632462 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What audio file type does it generuut? < 1217632477 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I haven't written an interpreter. < 1217632483 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write one. < 1217632505 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to finish tinkering, and then I have to think about this emergence thing. < 1217632562 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens to chords again
< 1217632687 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: for the emergence thing there could be the visible program which does what it looks like it does, and then the side-effects of each function in that program. the results are the combined results of the two < 1217633323 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C major is perfect, G major is perfect, D major sounds perfect but isn't (perhaps listening to 19 equal temperament has destroyed my sense of tune), A major sounds terrible, E major sounds perfect, B major sounds perfect, F/G major sounds terrible, Db major sounds terrible, Ab major sounds terrible, Eb major sounds pretty good, Bb major sounds pretty good, F major is perfect. < 1217633342 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a nutjob < 1217633358 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three of the four terrible-sounding ones contain C/D. < 1217633425 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is patently false, sir. I have never employed a nut in my entire life. < 1217633470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, you have crazy ears. < 1217633488 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's ears are terrible at distinguishing or recognizing all the different whatsits.
< 1217633492 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he's just crazy < 1217633495 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hear an awful lot of stuff, though. < 1217633502 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who tinker with tunings are crazy people < 1217633504 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries putting C/D a perfect fifth above F/G
< 1217633566 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy in the same sense that pseudo-math guys trying to square the circle are crazy < 1217633569 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the timecube guy < 1217633578 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or this guy: http://members.aol.com/daharrell/ < 1217633592 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternative tunings people are exactly the same kind of nutjob < 1217633741 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ai_wheel actually do btw < 1217633743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try and run it < 1217633763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to use excel for its configuration files < 1217633767 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a simulation no more sophisticated than Creatures, I think, except that it has tools. < 1217633777 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh great. < 1217633794 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norns that you can't look at, don't make any sound, and that aren't fun. < 1217633798 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What more could I want? < 1217633906 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It claims to be "the most powerful tool in the history of cognitive science", and it has very few Google hits. < 1217633927 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives it one more: WHEEL HARRELL AI
< 1217633940 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's written by a complete nutjob. A crazy person. Somebody who is not sane. Just like people who come up with alternative tunings. < 1217634014 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scala says, "Try setting C/D to 21/20." < 1217634076 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: < 1217634079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voynich manuscript. < 1217634082 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=Nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1217634083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discuss. < 1217634128 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you; I'd forgotten the name of that thing. < 1217634168 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1217634181 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript & http://voynich.nu/ & http://inamidst.com/voynich/ < 1217634194 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1217634722 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow lolcode interpreter in python :) YES http://www.dalkescientific.com/writings/diary/archive/2007/06/01/lolpython.html < 1217634767 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew, LOLCODE < 1217634790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: very no < 1217634873 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conlanging community has exactly the word for that kind of thing: relex < 1217634893 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a language that is created by changing the words of another language < 1217634931 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Also known as "the language you created when you were 5-7" < 1217634963 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not I < 1217634971 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't conlang t that time < 1217634992 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Don't tell me you didn't invent a couple of words for english concepts. < 1217634999 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone did that. < 1217635002 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as far as I know < 1217635043 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1217635061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1217635065 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Nullity. < 1217635066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discuss. < 1217635137 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1217635166 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fancy way of saying "indeterminate". < 1217635184 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not just a little bit indeterminate, but completely and utterly indeterminate. < 1217635189 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric