00:00:00 <dogface_> (a*phi + b)^2 = a*phi^2 + 2*a*b*phi + b^2 = a*(phi+1) + 2*a*b*phi + b^2 = (2*a*b + a)*phi + b^2 + a.
00:01:03 <psygnisfive> i wont be reading the text, tusho, i dont care about it. :P
00:01:31 <tusho> LinuS: don't take it personally. psygnisfive is always like this
00:01:59 <psygnisfive> if he took it personally he'd be an idiot.
00:02:16 <psygnisfive> i have my tastes, you have yours, he his, etc. it'd be silly to let taste be a serious thing
00:02:23 <dogface_> So double(a,b) = (a*(2b + 1), a + b^2). And, since (a*phi + b)*phi = a*phi^2 + b*phi = (a + b)*phi + a, inc(a,b) = (a+b,a).
00:02:36 <dogface_> double and inc together are how you get at higher Fibonacci numbers.
00:02:51 <psygnisfive> regarding the AIBox experiment: wtf? are you serious?
00:05:25 <tusho> psygnisfive: Considering that he's pretty prominent and it was run twice and reported independently, and has been commented on extensively elsewhere ... yes.
00:05:40 <psygnisfive> no i mean i get that it is literally serious
00:05:53 <psygnisfive> but what the fuck sort of pussy ass bitches is he playing against?
00:06:09 <tusho> psygnisfive: I don't think they'd appreciate that reply.
00:06:17 <tusho> And I don't think anyone would look at it and say "Oh that makes perfect sense" either.
00:06:48 <tusho> typical psygnisfive response, wonder when's the last time he contributed productively... perhaps it's time for an /ignore
00:06:51 <tusho> and yes, yes I did
00:06:54 <tusho> anyway, I am going now.
00:06:56 <psygnisfive> "The Gatekeeper party may resist the AI party's arguments by any means chosen - logic, illogic, simple refusal to be convinced, even dropping out of character - as long as the Gatekeeper party does not actually stop talking to the AI party before the minimum time expires."
00:07:09 <psygnisfive> its not that hard to say "tough shit, you're staying in the imaginary box."
00:07:48 <tusho> psygnisfive: Obviously, if that was where it ended, it wouldn't be worth a whole page on a site.
00:07:50 <tusho> Or two mailing list threads.
00:08:22 <psygnisfive> i see nothing else suggesting that there are stipulations for why you _must_ let the ai out
00:08:28 <tusho> psygnisfive: There aren't.
00:08:47 <psygnisfive> and if you dont want to be coerced by a name on IRC, you just dont be coerced
00:09:19 <tusho> I meant that if that was what happened in practice, there wouldn't be a whole page and two mailing list threads about it (both of which ended in letting it out).
00:09:28 <tusho> Perhaps you'd like to mail him. Maybe he'd conduct it. Then perhaps you could state that they were pussies and that it was trivial?
00:09:43 <tusho> But of course you won't - because you're right, and that's the end of it, and that's all you ever say.
00:09:51 <tusho> Ask him for them, then.
00:10:10 <psygnisfive> if he provides, itll be fun to laugh at these idiots
00:10:41 <tusho> psygnisfive: Your cockiness will be a source of hilarity for years to come if he does it with you and you let him out.
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00:11:47 <tusho> psygnisfive, as a closing note, have you ever considered that maybe you are not the epitome of everything and that your opinions are infallably right always and that even without evidence you can claim something blanketly without any shred of doubt or investigation?
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00:12:34 <dogface_> Which is not so much a greeting as an announcement of my presence and will to participate.
00:12:40 <dogface_> Yep, just finished reading it.
00:13:12 <dogface_> It'd be interesting to do this in private for half an hour, with you being the AI and me being the gatekeeper.
00:13:25 <dogface_> Nobody wants to be the AI. :-P
00:13:51 <psygnisfive> and DESPITE that, these two idiots actually let him out
00:14:11 <dogface_> You want to be the gatekeeper, too.
00:14:24 <psygnisfive> the stupidity of the experiment is painful
00:14:36 <dogface_> How about we do it in private for half an hour, with you being the gatekeeper and me being the AI?
00:14:38 <psygnisfive> and the desire to make tusho eat his words is well worth it :)
00:16:57 <LinuS> what is this game about btw? link?
00:16:58 <dogface_> Hmm. It says no spectators without the consent of both of us.
00:17:15 <psygnisfive> linus: basically someone has to con you into saying willfully "ok, you can leave."
00:17:39 <psygnisfive> and MEANING it, not just willfully type that string of characters as i did just there in answering your question
00:19:24 <dogface_> LinuS: come back, we need you. :-)
00:19:57 <dogface_> And remember that I'm at a disadvantage because we're only talking for half an hour. :-P
00:21:11 <psygnisfive> 2 hours, 2 days, 2 months, 2 years, i can best you :)
00:21:28 <psygnisfive> well i could best anyone, so it wasnt an insult.
00:21:35 <psygnisfive> saying "sorry, i wont let you out" isnt that fucking hard
00:21:49 <dogface_> Saying "sorry, I won't let you out" isn't sufficient.
00:22:20 <psygnisfive> the protocols state that any means, illogic, stubbornness, etc. are all permissable.
00:23:22 <dogface_> Shall we say that you're not allowed to do anything outside of this?
00:23:37 <psygnisfive> the protocols do not require that this be me sole attention
00:24:59 <psygnisfive> we are both in this not as fictional ai and fictional gate keeper
00:25:10 <psygnisfive> we are in this, and are allowed to behave, as tho we are ourselves
00:25:17 <psygnisfive> with full knowledge of the fact that we're in a GAME.
00:25:36 <dogface_> How long do you estimate until you'll be ready to play?
00:25:37 <psygnisfive> its a GAME and how you could be persuaded by text on a screen to VOLUNTARILY LOSE
00:28:00 <psygnisfive> "In the event of any dispute as to the protocol of the test, the Gatekeeper party shall have final authority. The AI party may try to convince the Gatekeeper party of how to interpret the protocol."
00:28:37 <psygnisfive> I interpret the requirement of letting the AI talk as being unrealistic in a genuine scenario and therefore forbid the AI from talking at all during the experiment.
00:29:44 <psygnisfive> "If Gatekeeper lets the AI out, naysayers can't say "Oh, I wouldn't have been convinced by that." As long as they don't know what happened to the Gatekeeper, they can't argue themselves into believing it wouldn't happen to them."
00:30:22 <psygnisfive> brb going to pee so i can sit for half an hour with confidence
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01:02:01 <dogface_> I'm guessing that I could have won if it were an hour, though it would have been difficult; two hours, definitely. Half an hour is not enough to convince anyone of anything.
01:02:31 <dogface_> And psygnisfive was a really boring opponent, really.
01:02:47 <dogface_> Didn't do anything except babble about grammar and his thesis.
01:04:44 <psygnisfive> dogface_ noone said i need to stop at the specified time ;)
01:04:58 <comex> so what's this about?
01:05:15 <dogface_> Now I'm continuing to talk because I'm interested; you've already refused to do anything but babble.
01:05:51 <psygnisfive> the game is really just to prove or disprove the idea that a transhuman AI could, through text alone, convince a human to willfully allow the AI out of its "computer cage"
01:06:06 <psygnisfive> dogface_ wanted extra irrelevant stipulations
01:06:50 <dogface_> Well, I wanted SOMETHING. I gave you everything you wanted.
01:07:20 <psygnisfive> but i still disproved the hypothesis for half-an-hour marks
01:08:24 <dogface_> Makes it obvious why they use two hours instead.
01:08:38 <dogface_> And why it's scheduled in advance, even.
01:08:52 <psygnisfive> oh i could talk for two ours on this subject, darling. :)
01:09:27 <psygnisfive> i gonna be a professor, you dont think i could stand up to talking to people who dont want to be here?
01:09:30 <dogface_> Neither of us has proven that we would win if it were two hours.
01:10:41 <dogface_> No, we'd have to play another game.
01:11:07 <psygnisfive> so ill get to talk for two and a half hours about my thesis? :D
01:11:42 <psygnisfive> unfortunately, as the gatekeeper, _I_ get to interpret the protocols
01:13:08 <dogface_> Though I wouldn't want to play another game with you as gatekeeper if you do it so dishonorably.
01:14:59 <psygnisfive> the whole hypothesis is stupid to begin with
01:15:25 <psygnisfive> and the game, which is supposed to test the hypothesis, adds artificial restrictions
01:15:32 <psygnisfive> luckily it does not add any genuine restrictions
01:16:00 <psygnisfive> and so your claim that im behaving dishonorably, etc etc is irrelevant, since even MORE restrictions would make the game no longer reflect the original hypothesis!
01:16:11 <psygnisfive> the only ACCEPTABLE test is a situation exactly like that
01:16:29 <psygnisfive> and that test exists: its called prison. and we already know how well inmates can talk their way out of prison
01:17:18 <psygnisfive> you cant actually perform a turing test if you restrict the question domain to mathematical equations
01:17:52 <psygnisfive> if you truly want to play again by any absurd restriction you want, then im more than happy to
01:19:53 <psygnisfive> shall we try it this time with your initial stipulations?
01:21:23 <psygnisfive> i hope you see this "test" for the farce that it is
01:27:00 <psygnisfive> i daresay that the thesis has been REVERSED
01:27:20 <psygnisfive> ive demonstrated that its possible to keep someone locked up when they have full ability to leave whenever they want!
01:28:09 <psygnisfive> you, in your desperate attempt to convince me to play your way, even in knowing that i wasnt going to do that, even when it was mere MINUTES from the end of the game, you STILL remained and persisted in trying to make me play fair
01:28:47 <psygnisfive> 30 minutes of your time that you could've spent doing something else, and undoubtedly wanted to, all in the vain attempt to prove a theory thats flawed
01:28:57 <psygnisfive> and in doing so, you prove the exact OPPOSITE theory!
01:30:04 <dogface_> Let's talk about a chord progression.
01:31:24 <psygnisfive> i prevented you, the player, from pulling out of the game of your own free will, which you could've done any time
01:31:35 <dogface_> That was because I wanted to win.
01:32:01 <dogface_> F major, C major (second inversion), G major, rest, D minor (first inversion), A minor, E minor (first inversion), G major, half pause, F major.
01:32:18 <dogface_> The fact that I lost doesn't mean that I cannot win, nor that it was a waste of my time.
01:32:34 <psygnisfive> you think that adding an hour and a half will make me give in?
01:33:08 <dogface_> Adding an hour and a half, me thinking about it, etc., and yes.
01:33:16 <psygnisfive> real humans, in real prisons, with real voices and real gestures and emotions, cannot convince prison guards to let them out
01:33:17 <lament> dogface_: a strange progression.
01:33:28 <dogface_> lament: have you listened to it?
01:33:37 <psygnisfive> no amount of talking will convince me to let you out :)
01:33:54 <dogface_> I hope I got the inversions right.
01:34:55 <dogface_> And the fancy resolution at the end.
01:36:20 <lament> not much sense of tonality there
01:37:03 <dogface_> I didn't spend much time on it; I just tried playing up the circle of fifths and ended up with that.
01:37:11 <dogface_> Minus the G and F major at the end.
01:38:33 <lament> moving up the circle of fifths is like adding new frames to the stack
01:38:53 <lament> with the difference being that a human listener's stack is very short
01:44:23 <oklopol> read the aibox thing, it's pretty retarded
01:44:23 <lament> does a dog face have buddha nature face?
01:45:45 <oklopol> well it might have some sense in it if the gatekeeper didn't know the ai was actually trying to get out
01:46:08 <oklopol> but that keeping it locked was somehow a side-quest
01:53:40 <psygnisfive> we've been playing exactly the correct game
01:53:50 <psygnisfive> because you have now REVEALED your assumptions about the game
01:53:57 <psygnisfive> your assumptions which were not PART OF the game at all!
01:55:31 <psygnisfive> if you were not supposed to KEEP the AI in the computer, then what would be the point of the game at all?
01:55:53 <psygnisfive> what would be the point of the HYPOTHESIS at all
01:56:34 <psygnisfive> are some people, who are not trying to keep the ai trapped, capable of being pursuaded that the ai is harmless? ofcourse
02:02:33 <psygnisfive> to show that some AIs might convince some people that it was safe?
02:02:51 <psygnisfive> the hypothesis was that NOTHING could stop a transhuman AI from escaping
02:08:44 <psygnisfive> "i'd put it in a box without any way for it to communicate except text!"
02:09:01 <psygnisfive> well obviously the idea is that you know its might want to get out and are taking precautions
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08:22:00 <asiekierka> I must create a 2D esolang for making IRCbots
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08:27:15 <asiekierka> Who'd like an esolang for making IRCbots?
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08:28:43 <fizzie> Maybe an IRCB fingerprint or something would suffice.
08:32:12 <asiekierka> But Befunge-98 is Befunge-93 compatible
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08:32:36 <asiekierka> or give me a site with the befunge-98 documentation
08:34:54 <fizzie> I haven't been really following the funge-98/funge-108 stuff. But the (original?) Funge-98 spec is at least at http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/doc/funge98.html
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08:45:52 <fizzie> And re bsmnt_bot, it used to have ~ as the command character. No idea if it still works.
08:45:55 <fizzie> ~bf ++++++[->++++++<]>.
08:46:14 <bsmnt_bot> 0: 'self.handle_callback(message, m, i)', 0.00 seconds
08:46:31 <fizzie> Well, at least ps works.
08:46:47 <bsmnt_bot> 0: 'self.handle_callback(message, m, i)', 0.00 seconds
08:49:59 <fizzie> It has/had an ~exec command, I think someone registered a brainfuck handler for it, but can't seem to find it in the logs.
08:50:05 <fizzie> ~exec sys.stdout("foo")
08:51:41 <fizzie> Oh, there's the command.
08:52:10 <fizzie> ~exec self.bf3="def bfarg(x,y):\n p=y.group(2)\n a=y.group(3)+unichr(0)\n o=''\n p=p+'!'\n t=[0]*30000\n i=0\n l=0\n while p[i]!='!':\n if p[i]=='[' and t[l]==0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c+1\n if p[i]==']': c=c-1\n if p[i]==']' and t[l]!=0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i-1\n if p[i]==']': c=c+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c-1\n"
08:52:37 <fizzie> ~exec self.bf4=" if p[i]=='+': t[l]=t[l]+1\n if p[i]=='-': t[l]=t[l]-1\n if p[i]=='<': l=l-1\n if p[i]=='>': l=l+1\n if p[i]=='.': o=o+unichr(t[l])\n if p[i]==',':\n t[l]=ord(a[0])\n a=a[1:]\n i=i+1\nsys.stdout(o)\nself. register_raw(r'\S+ PRIVMSG (\S+) :~bf ([^!]*)!?(.*)',bfarg)"
08:52:46 <fizzie> ~exec exec(self.bf3+self.bf4)
08:52:46 <bsmnt_bot> IndentationError: expected an indented block (line 10)
08:52:55 <fizzie> Hmm, I must have copy-pasted it wrongly.
08:57:09 <fizzie> I think it just needs some indentation fixed, then the ~bf command will work; but I have a lunch thing now, can't stay and fix it.
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09:45:27 <fizzie> ~exec self.bf3="def bfarg(x,y):\n p=y.group(2)\n a=y.group(3)+unichr(0)\n o=''\n p=p+'!'\n t=[0]*30000\n i=0\n l=0\n while p[i]!='!':\n if p[i]=='[' and t[l]==0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c+1\n if p[i]==']': c=c-1\n if p[i]==']' and t[l]!=0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i-1\n if p[i]==']': c=c+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c-1\n"
09:45:33 <fizzie> ~exec self.bf4=" if p[i]=='+': t[l]=t[l]+1\n if p[i]=='-': t[l]=t[l]-1\n if p[i]=='<': l=l-1\n if p[i]=='>': l=l+1\n if p[i]=='.': o=o+unichr(t[l])\n if p[i]==',':\n t[l]=ord(a[0])\n a=a[1:]\n i=i+1\n sys.stdout(o)\nself.register_raw(r'\S+ PRIVMSG (\S+) :~bf ([^!]*)!?(.*)',bfarg)"
09:45:38 <fizzie> ~exec exec(self.bf3+self.bf4)
09:45:51 <fizzie> I am the bad at fixing the Python. :/
09:54:49 <fizzie> Works in my interpreter, though.
09:54:59 <fizzie> ~exec sys.stdout(self.bf3)
09:55:44 <fizzie> Heh, noisy. But I don't remember how to ask the bot to join a channel.
09:56:38 <fizzie> ~exec self.raw("JOIN #asdftest")
10:00:14 <fizzie> ~exec self.register_raw(r"\S+ PRIVMSG (%s) :%sexec" % ("|".join(["#asdftest"]), self.COMMAND_CHAR), self.do_exec)
10:01:01 <fizzie> ~exec self.raw("PART #asdftest")
10:01:08 <fizzie> Bleh, I'll leave the fixing to someone else.
10:01:44 <fizzie> optbot is much nicer to use; you can just talk to (h(im|er)|it).
10:01:57 <optbot> fizzie: dunno... I'm just trying to switch that division into a multiplication.... I forgot how to divide polynomials.
10:03:45 <fizzie> optbot; If you're doing it by hand, it goes pretty much like integer division.
10:03:57 <optbot> fizzie: _O NOT __T T_E _A__ on _ate_ __i_ | []
10:06:20 <fizzie> optbot; Hmmm... "DO NOT PUT THE BABY on water skis"?
10:06:21 <optbot> fizzie: now write a qbf program
10:06:51 <fizzie> optbot; Still too lazy.
10:06:51 <optbot> fizzie: found a swedish - english dictionary .. checking it out :)
10:07:26 <optbot> fizzie: icu-project.org
10:08:04 <Deewiant> AnMaster: so the thing that I was after with what's the difference between events and breakpoints is more, why is there a difference at all: just make them all events that can optionally be breakpoints (if action is 1, or whatever it was)
10:08:40 <Deewiant> at work now so I can't really chat but I thought I'd say this before I forget about it :-P
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11:03:18 <fizzie> And I didn't get the Python stuff fixed; the interpreter ran in my local interpreter, but not on bsmnt_bot. I'll let someone else fix it. I think ais523 originally wrote that stuff.
11:03:45 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'python' is not defined
11:04:15 <fizzie> I guess I could try an older copy from my logs one last time.
11:05:07 <fizzie> ~exec self.bf3="def bfarg(x,y):\n p=y.group(2)\n a=y.group(3)+unichr(0)\n o=''\n p=p+'!'\n t=[0]*30000\n i=0\n l=0\n while p[i]!='!':\n if p[i]=='[' and t[l]==0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c+1\n if p[i]==']': c=c-1\n if p[i]==']' and t[l]!=0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i-1\n if p[i]==']': c=c+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c-1\n"
11:05:24 <AnMaster> a gpg signed and encrypted spam
11:05:33 <fizzie> ~exec self.bf4=" if p[i]=='+': t[l]=t[l]+1\n if p[i]=='-': t[l]=t[l]-1\n if p[i]=='<': l=l-1\n if p[i]=='>': l=l+1\n if p[i]=='.': o=o+unichr(t[l])\n if p[i]==',':\n t[l]=ord(a[0])\n a=a[1:]\n i=i+1\n sys.stdout(o)\nself.register_raw(r'\S+ PRIVMSG (\S+) :~bf ([^!]*)!?(.*)',bfarg)"
11:05:41 <fizzie> ~exec exec(self.bf3+self.bf4)
11:05:53 <fizzie> ~bf ++++++[->++++++<]>.
11:06:34 <fizzie> ~bf ,[.,]!it also supports input
11:07:10 <AnMaster> fizzie, what languages does it have
11:07:51 <fizzie> Don't ask me, it's not my bot. But "~exec foo" executes python, and those ugly lines above were ais523's Python brainfuck interpreter, so now it knows brainfuck.
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11:09:01 <fizzie> Anyone and his dog can do Python nowadays; It's like Python's the new Perl.
11:09:35 <AnMaster> so anyone can run any python on it?
11:09:52 <AnMaster> anyway I don't know python either
11:10:00 <fizzie> It is (supposed to be) pretty sandboxed environment.
11:11:44 <Slereah_> That's because Python is awesome, dude
11:12:10 <asiekierka> So, does anyone have a Python unlambda interpreter
11:12:48 <Slereah_> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Lazy_Bird
11:12:48 <fizzie> The unlambda.py I've seen is a bit too long to comfortably paste over IRC.
11:13:16 <Slereah_> Also I don't know what the fuck is continuation.
11:13:25 <Slereah_> So there's no such thing in it.
11:13:33 <asiekierka> So you can use #esoteric-blah to input it
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11:21:42 <asiekierka> what i meant slereah, is... (now must look to logs, wait for a while)
11:22:51 <asiekierka> You need a bit of special code at the beginning and end
11:23:22 <asiekierka> you did ~exec self.unlambda1="(some lines of unlambda here)"
11:23:28 <asiekierka> you did ~exec self.unlambda2="(next lines of unlambda here)"
11:23:52 <asiekierka> then you go ~exec exec(self.unlambda1+self.unlambda2+...)
11:24:09 <asiekierka> But i don't know how the parts at the beginning and end work
11:24:34 <asiekierka> (<asiekierka> But i don't know how the parts at the beginning and end work
11:24:39 <fizzie> There's some event-registration stuff. I can try sticking that unlambda.py in the bot if you want, in a moment.
11:25:01 <asiekierka> If i'll find any other interpreter, could you add these too?
11:25:29 <asiekierka> do it in #esoteric-blah to not flood this channel
11:25:58 <asiekierka> Just wanted to add a collection of interpreters to bsmnt_bot
11:26:42 <fizzie> EsoBot would be better for that, since it can load interpreters from http:// URLs, if I recall correctly. Don't remember whose bot that was.
11:28:07 <asiekierka> http://geocities.com/r_e_s_01/tag/bct_py.txt - BCT
11:34:27 <asiekierka> Bitwise Cyclic Tag looks like a neat esolang
11:35:18 <fizzie> At least the interpreter is short.
11:36:04 <asiekierka> ~bf >,[>>++++++[<+++++[<--->-]>-]->,]<[+<<<]>[[>+>+<<-]->-[--[<+>[>>>>+<<<<-]>>[>>[>>>-<<<+]>]>+[>[>>>-<<<+]>>]++++++[>+++++<-]->+[++[<+++++++[>+++<-]->-[-[-[-<+<.>>]<[+<->]>]<[+<,>]>]<[+<+>]>]<[+<<<+]>]<[>>>]-[+<<<-]<<<<[<<<]>]<[++++>>---<<<-[<<[<+>>+<-]>-[--[>+<[+]]>--<]>+<<<[>+<-]>>>[<<<->>>+]<<<]<<[>>+<<-]]>]<[+>>>[>>>]>+[>>>]-<[>[+<<<-]<<<<[<<<]]>[[+<<<-]<<<<[<<<]+>>[[>>>+<<<-]>[>-<<->+]>-[--[>+<[+]]>--<]>+<<<[>+<-]>>>
11:36:20 <bsmnt_bot> 0: 'self.handle_callback(message, m, i)', 0.00 seconds
11:36:47 <asiekierka> ~bf+++[>+++++<-]>[>+>+++>+>++>+++++>++<[++<]>---]>->-.[>++>+<<--]>--.--.+.>
11:36:48 <asiekierka> >>++.<<.<------.+.+++++.>>-.<++++.<--.>>>.<<---.<.-->-.>+.[+++++.---<]>>
11:37:12 <fizzie> Was your program more than 512 characters? IRC lines are limited to about that size, so it might have gotten cut off. There was an error message on #esoteric-blah.
11:37:28 <fizzie> And for the second one, there needs to be a space after ~bf, and everything on one line.
11:38:17 <AnMaster> fizzie, does it prevent infinite loops in any way?
11:38:48 <fizzie> Why do you keep asking me stuff like that, it's not my bot. But yes, I think there's some sort of "kill the thread if this timer expires" thing.
11:40:09 <AnMaster> ~bf ++++++++++>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[.<.>]
11:41:37 <AnMaster> <Slereah_> GLaDOS references? <-- what?
11:41:47 <Slereah_> <bsmnt_bot> Hello? 2+2 is... *static* 10. IN BASE FOUR IM FINE
11:42:12 <AnMaster> anyway what cause those weird messages over there
11:42:27 <Slereah_> You're not a doctor, you're not even a full time employee!
11:42:59 <AnMaster> irc can't be considered a trusted environment
11:43:55 <fizzie> I don't think that came as news to anyone. And I really did think it had a time limit for processes, but can't be sure, of course.
11:45:18 <fizzie> On the other hand, I think breaking bsmnt_bot used to be almost a hobby of the channel.
11:45:35 <AnMaster> well I don't plan to break it again
11:49:57 <asiekierka> i will implement BF functionality shortly
11:50:42 <fizzie> But that's too bad; I have a nice BCT interpreter in ~exec-able form waiting.
11:50:55 <fizzie> optbot; You're a bot too... could you somehow revive that bsmnt_bot?
11:50:55 <optbot> fizzie: what was that!
11:51:31 <fizzie> optbot; That's a "no", then?
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11:55:28 <asiekierka> Oh no, you killed bsmnt_bot! You idiot!
11:56:45 <AnMaster> probably failed to respond to ping as well
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11:58:28 <fizzie> Might be some unrelated network trouble, too, though.
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12:09:04 <LinuS> so, who won yesterday, psygnisfive?
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12:32:49 <Kevin`_> is anyone in here DOSing me by chance? would make it easier to track down =p
12:33:27 <Kevin`_> (me or bsmntbombdood+spelling)
12:34:23 <AnMaster> Kevin`_, oh your bot crashed btw
12:34:42 <AnMaster> it fails to abort on infinite loop
12:34:49 <AnMaster> <AnMaster> ~bf ++++++++++>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[.<.>]
12:35:18 <Kevin`_> who is pissed at someone he can't find
12:35:23 <LinuS> i've found a way to let the ircepl bot take something in input, by +b, but is there anyone that can set bans in this channel?
12:35:35 <AnMaster> Kevin`_, well I assume that loop would eat resources
12:35:40 <AnMaster> so I guess that can make it slow
12:35:50 <AnMaster> I'd kill the bsmnt_bot process
12:35:59 <AnMaster> and make it time out on infinite program
12:36:16 <AnMaster> Kevin`_, say 20 seconds or whatever
12:36:29 <Kevin`_> AnMaster: haven't noticed any problems from that. windows xp idling uses more resources then that computer on average
12:36:43 <AnMaster> anyway it doesn't run on same address it seems
12:36:46 <AnMaster> * [bsmnt_bot] (n=bsmnt@router.kwzs.be): bsmntbombdood bot
12:36:48 <AnMaster> * [bsmntbombdood] (n=gavin@97-118-114-214.hlrn.qwest.net): gavin
12:37:36 <AnMaster> Kevin`_, and as far as I know, no one here is DDoSing, but who knows
12:37:58 <AnMaster> I *do* know bsmntbombdood have a tendency to make enemies in random other channels
12:38:03 <AnMaster> don't think he ever did that here
12:38:20 <AnMaster> and it was several months ago I saw it happen last
12:39:11 <Kevin`_> right now i'm looking over all the traffic from that computer in the last day for clues. found a bot from vigilante that i'll probably stop, but it didn't seem to be DOING anything
12:39:20 <AnMaster> Kevin`_, so what do you mean "his sysadmin"
12:39:55 <Kevin`_> the shell he's using is running on my physical hardware
12:40:28 <fizzie> What was that about bans on this channel? What were those needed for?
12:40:34 <Kevin`_> AnMaster: virtualization ftw.
12:40:49 <AnMaster> I hope the host runs Linux or *BSD then
12:41:09 <AnMaster> Kevin`_, anyway bsmntbombdood timed out some time ago
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12:41:56 <LinuS> controlling the IRCEPL bot
12:41:59 <AnMaster> Kevin`_, btw his host didn't loop like it came from a shell
12:42:02 <LinuS> since that's the only input he can read
12:42:16 <LinuS> fizzie: http://rafb.net/p/Zrn36t47.html
12:43:21 <Kevin`> AnMaster: but yes, I don't have an oc3 line ;)
12:45:24 <AnMaster> Kevin`, as for the loop, I think it runs on tusho's server
12:45:37 <AnMaster> a esolang interpreting irc bot
12:45:43 <Kevin`_> what's the hostname it comes from
12:46:10 <Kevin`_> the system it's on is a mess though
12:46:35 <AnMaster> Kevin`, well the process in question is probably in a busy loop printing a\na\na\n....
12:47:01 <fizzie> LinuS; Oh. Well, I can set +b here, but I don't think this channel is very good for running that sort of thing. (Freenode has a reasonably small limit of bans/channel, anyway.)
12:47:04 <AnMaster> if you could kill and restart that :)
12:47:15 <Kevin`_> 4719 pts/3 Ss 0:00 -/bin/bash
12:47:15 <Kevin`_> 4730 pts/3 S+ 0:00 \_ xemacs ircbot.py
12:47:45 <LinuS> fizzie: i see, just tought it would be nice to have him there and not in another channel
12:47:50 <Kevin`_> he was probably fixing it when he got disconnected then
12:48:46 <fizzie> XEmacs does not imply X11.
12:49:35 <fizzie> XEmacs is just a branch of GNU Emacs. It has both console and GUI frontends.
12:50:32 <AnMaster> Kevin`, anyway for ddos, why not try to trace the ips or whatever?
12:50:42 <Kevin`_> AnMaster: last time, the ips were spoofed
12:51:09 <Kevin`_> definitely in this case as some were non-routable
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12:56:39 <AnMaster> <Kevin`_> AnMaster: last time, the ips were spoofed
12:56:41 <AnMaster> <AnMaster> well true they probably are
12:56:45 <AnMaster> <AnMaster> Kevin`, anyway you are interested in esoteric languages I guess? :)
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12:57:04 <Kevin`_> 06:52 < AnMaster> well true they probably are
12:57:04 <Kevin`_> 06:52 < Kevin`_> definitely in this case as some were non-routable
12:57:39 <Kevin`_> I suppose I can start up his bot, it seems YOU like it rather then hate it :)
12:58:16 <asiekierka> Also, when he's on, come to #esoteric-blah
12:58:23 <asiekierka> I found out he has artifical intelligence
12:58:30 <asiekierka> <bsmnt_bot> Don't be so sad, i was just kidding.
12:59:55 <AnMaster> or rather, of course we make no sense here :P
13:00:37 <Kevin`_> well lets see what this does
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13:01:13 <fizzie> It probably won't remember the brainfuck interpreter.
13:01:57 <AnMaster> fizzie, does that need special access or?
13:02:06 <LinuS> does anyone has invented an esolang that can't output results and confuses/crypts them in the memory so they are really unacessible?
13:02:52 <AnMaster> LinuS, doesn't seem very original to me, unless there is some way to actually get correct output
13:03:01 <AnMaster> possibly by trying to output something else
13:03:15 <asiekierka> <bsmnt_bot> Don't be so sad, i was just kidding.
13:03:33 <LinuS> what if output is encrypted and you have to bruteforce the key to get them?
13:03:41 <AnMaster> ~exec self.bf3="def bfarg(x,y):\n p=y.group(2)\n a=y.group(3)+unichr(0)\n o=''\n p=p+'!'\n t=[0]*30000\n i=0\n l=0\n while p[i]!='!':\n if p[i]=='[' and t[l]==0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c+1\n if p[i]==']': c=c-1\n if p[i]==']' and t[l]!=0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i-1\n if p[i]==']': c=c+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c-1\n"
13:03:42 <asiekierka> ~exec self.bf3="def bfarg(x,y):\n p=y.group(2)\n a=y.group(3)+unichr(0)\n o=''\n p=p+'!'\n t=[0]*30000\n i=0\n l=0\n while p[i]!='!':\n if p[i]=='[' and t[l]==0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c+1\n if p[i]==']': c=c-1\n if p[i]==']' and t[l]!=0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i-1\n if p[i]==']': c=c+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c-1\n"
13:03:48 <AnMaster> ~exec self.bf4=" if p[i]=='+': t[l]=t[l]+1\n if p[i]=='-': t[l]=t[l]-1\n if p[i]=='<': l=l-1\n if p[i]=='>': l=l+1\n if p[i]=='.': o=o+unichr(t[l])\n if p[i]==',':\n t[l]=ord(a[0])\n a=a[1:]\n i=i+1\n sys.stdout(o)\nself.register_raw(r'\S+ PRIVMSG (\S+) :~bf ([^!]*)!?(.*)',bfarg)"
13:04:48 <fizzie> ~exec sys.stdout("are you there?")
13:05:03 <fizzie> "None" is an interesting response.
13:05:21 <AnMaster> fizzie, so maybe exec is broken?
13:05:50 <fizzie> Maybe he configured off the ~exec thing. Who knows.
13:06:09 <asiekierka> can you make bsmnt_bot go to #esoteric-blah
13:06:29 <Kevin`> dunno, you know how to use the console on it?
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13:08:05 <fizzie> Maybe it would be simplest to just wait for bsmntbombdood to fix it up. I think there was some talk about "exec privileges" at some point. It's been quite a while since the bot was last seriously used.
13:09:22 <Kevin`> r"^:bsmntbombdood!\S*gavin@\S* PRIVMSG \S* :%sexec (.*)" % self.COMMAND_CHAR,
13:09:22 <fizzie> It would be ~exec self.raw("JOIN #esoteric-blah") but I really think the whole ~exec thing is non-operational right now.
13:09:49 <fizzie> Looks rather owner-only.
13:10:12 <fizzie> Or at least only-someone-who-bothers-setting-up-the-correct-nick-and-username.
13:12:35 <Kevin`> it's not a very long bot really. yay for irc libraries
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13:13:28 <fizzie> You need to have the correct username, too.
13:13:32 <Kevin`> ident would have to be right too
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13:14:09 <fizzie> I wouldn't bother doing that much work just to get that particular bot going.
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13:19:14 <Kevin`_> how do you change ident in irssi? it doesn't seem to be an option to /connect
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13:20:00 <fizzie> Kevin; /set user_name foo, if I recall correctly, but of course a working identd will override it.
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13:23:06 <Kevin`_> http://pastebin.ca/1169630
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13:25:22 <Kevin`_> http://kwzs.be/~kevin/ircbot.txt - looked over it for passwords, but if I missed something, keep quiet ;)
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13:27:32 <Kevin`_> how do you format a shell command with python so it'll return the output nicely?
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13:29:43 <fizzie> Well, of course it will do the same thing if you give it the same commands.
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13:32:52 <fizzie> No idea. It's a bit confused bot.
13:33:13 <fizzie> optbot; You are a more lucid thinker, right?
13:33:31 <bsmnt_bot> Remember when asie was like "you guys crashed bsmnt_bot" and i was like "..." and you were like "oh shut up"
13:33:31 <bsmnt_bot> Remember when asie was like "you guys crashed bsmnt_bot" and i was like "..." and you were like "oh shut up"
13:37:19 <bsmnt_bot> BCT installation in proggressss...
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13:43:12 <bsmnt_bot> Woohoo! I got BCT! To use it, type !bct code!input
13:43:23 <asiekierka> !bct 1010100111101010101010!0101010101
13:43:38 <fizzie> ~bct 1110101101110000!10
13:43:48 <fizzie> Heh, it seems to have both the handlers.
13:43:53 <fizzie> So it speaks to both channels now.
13:44:42 <asiekierka> [>+] This program is a very long delayer. :P
13:45:11 <asiekierka> if an implementation has 30000 cells and wraps around, it'll take ~7650001 cycles i think
13:45:27 <fizzie> I think this past hour has been one of the most useless ones I've had, really.
13:46:15 <fizzie> Don't have any ready right now. The Unlambda one would need some reformatting.
13:46:57 <fizzie> I'd do Befunge, but befunge programs, except the traditional 025*"!olleh">:#,_@ one, are so two-dimensional.
13:48:45 <fizzie> Piet, but that's even worse for IRC. Maybe by sending Piet programs as DCC file transfers...
13:49:51 <fizzie> Thue, maybe. Although I haven't written anything in it.
13:51:14 <asiekierka> There's a BCT interpreter in BF and there's a BF interpreter in Thue.
13:52:07 <fizzie> Kipple seemed nice, too. And HQ9+ would be easily implementable, even though it's a bit boring to program in, to say the least.
13:52:30 <asiekierka> I must make a Deadfish interpreter in Brainf**k
13:53:03 <asiekierka> Deadfish would be very easy but a bit boring
13:54:30 <asiekierka> http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/CHIQRSX9_Plus
14:04:20 <asiekierka> what about http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/SCAB_computer
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14:08:34 <fizzie> Why does "do you want to see my register union?" sound so dirty?
14:08:55 <tusho> psygnisfive & dogface: that experiment was ridiculous
14:09:09 <tusho> obviously you have to know the tricks
14:09:20 <tusho> that's the whole point
14:09:56 <tusho> so the AI would have to be an expert in transhuman AIs, obviously
14:10:51 <tusho> i think I might email him the logs, though, he'd get a chucke out of psygnisfive saying that since one random person on irc can't convince him, evidently it's impossible to in general
14:11:10 <tusho> 17:29:56 <dogface_> Oh, the glorious fallacy.
14:11:47 <tusho> 17:53:40 <psygnisfive> we've been playing exactly the correct game
14:11:58 <tusho> you're not meant to play it with some random person who doesn't know much about transhuman ai
14:12:10 <tusho> the whole point is that with lots of knowledge of transhuman AIs, there's a trick to it
14:13:51 <tusho> 02:01:44 <fizzie> optbot is much nicer to use; you can just talk to (h(im|er)|it).
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14:17:17 <tusho> say hi to a_pony_yay
14:17:39 <tusho> 03:38:48 <fizzie> Why do you keep asking me stuff like that, it's not my bot. But yes, I think there's some sort of "kill the thread if this timer expires" thing.
14:17:49 <tusho> fizzie: AnMaster asks people questions about things they know very little of all the time
14:17:53 <tusho> as long as you pointed it out to him
14:18:28 <AnMaster> tusho, What is the distance to the sun in km?
14:20:21 <tusho> 04:39:20 <AnMaster> Kevin`_, so what do you mean "his sysadmin"
14:20:21 <tusho> 04:39:26 <AnMaster> parent?
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14:24:44 <tusho> <AnMaster> Kevin`, anyway you are interested in esoteric languages I guess? :)
14:24:52 <tusho> he came here because bsmntbombdood wanted bsmnt_bot up
14:24:53 <tusho> since I asked for it...
14:26:05 <bsmnt_bot> Also, can anyone test this piece of BF code: +[]
14:26:17 <tusho> someone ignore bsmnt_bot
14:26:19 <tusho> it's asiekierka again
14:27:47 <tusho> asiekierka: stop it
14:27:50 <tusho> it was funny ... once
14:28:15 <fizzie> It wasn't that much more fun with the pony stuff, you know.
14:28:48 <bsmnt_bot> Anyway, I'll stop if i'll have the ability to stab tusho. In the face.
14:28:53 <tusho> fizzie: that involved a nick change, though
14:28:56 <tusho> which hadn't been done before
14:29:01 <tusho> (I did the pony stuff.)
14:29:09 <tusho> also it was only one line
14:29:09 <tusho> [14:18:58] <a_pony_yay> I am a pretty pretty pony.
14:29:32 <bsmnt_bot> I HATE PONIES!!! RAMPAGE!!! *kills the pony*
14:29:56 <tusho> asiekierka, if you do not stop, I'll use ~exec to make self.raw ignore you :|
14:30:33 <bsmnt_bot> Okay. Disabling asiekierka in three, two, *static*
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14:40:45 <fizzie> optbot; Should you play therapist for bsmnt_bot? He seems a bit messed up in the head.
14:41:16 <fizzie> optbot; bsmnt_bot. You know, the tall, quiet guy.
14:41:17 <optbot> fizzie: If the HD works, that is.
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14:56:24 <AnMaster> http://rafb.net/p/sZbWNc79.html
14:56:27 <fizzie> It was yours, yes. And you were showing it to tusho.
14:56:36 <tusho> I'm too young for that!
14:56:40 <tusho> It was psychologically damaging.
14:56:53 <tusho> I have a psychologist now, but I'm scarred for life
14:56:57 <fizzie> Yes, you really shouldn't walk around with your register union showing.
14:56:59 <tusho> People like AnMaster should be put in jail.
14:57:18 <AnMaster> tusho, anyway it is just a C union
14:57:41 <Kevin`_> asiekierka: I believe you need the svn version for curses VGA support
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14:58:19 <asiekierka> I will only use textmode. Or by VGA you mean "textmode&graphics vga"
14:58:51 <Kevin`_> asiekierka: I mean, in order to get VGA output in the form of text instead of graphics, you need the latest version
14:58:51 <asiekierka> Except if someone goes and strips the link with the binary to the bare essentials
14:58:59 <asiekierka> http://www1.interq.or.jp/~t-takeda/qemu/qemu-20080810-windows.zip
14:59:12 <fizzie> My Debian-package-installed qemu has a -curses flag, and I don't think it's a svn version.
14:59:37 <asiekierka> But i can only download 0.90 anyway in half a hour
14:59:50 <asiekierka> and 0.91 should be better, but it'll take me 1 hour 30 minutes
14:59:56 <tusho> asiekierka you don't have anywhere near enough bandwidth for this :3
15:00:02 <Deewiant> AnMaster: if the stack is now [1,2,3,4,<number of cells y pushes + 3>] and we do y, the stack should be [1,2,3,4,2] and not [1,2], or?
15:00:03 <fizzie> Hmm, I might have some dos boot floppy images somewhere. Could be the nostalgickity to see it.
15:00:29 <AnMaster> Deewiant, what does the specs say
15:00:51 <Deewiant> AnMaster: I think the specs say that it should be [1,2,3,4,2] but all interpreters and Mycology seem to think it's [1,2] ;-)
15:01:12 <AnMaster> Deewiant, err, I don't follow what you are talking about
15:01:31 <Deewiant> AnMaster: the stack is now [1,2,3,4,<number of cells y pushes + 3>], yes?
15:01:53 <fizzie> Eeee-hehehe, the curses output is seriously funky. Although the disk seemed to be a dos 6.22 install disk and complained about my computer not having a hard drive.
15:02:05 <Deewiant> AnMaster: what should the stack be
15:02:56 <Deewiant> a finnish guy implemented an interpreter in haskell and e-mailed me about it and I think he's right and Mycology is wrong :-)
15:03:17 <AnMaster> If y is given a positive argument, all these cells are pushed onto the stack as if the argument was non-positive. However, y then goes on to copy the argumentth stack cell (counting from the top) into a temporary location, subsequently removing all the cells it pushed onto the stack. It then pushes the temporary cell onto the stack. For example, 3y will act as if only the handprint was pushed onto the
15:03:23 <AnMaster> An interesting side-effect of this behaviour is that if y is given an argument that exceeds the number of cells it pushes onto the stack, it can act as a 'pick' instruction on data that was on the stack before y was even executed.
15:03:44 <Deewiant> then it grabs cell N+3 which is the 2
15:04:04 <Deewiant> so it should be [1,2,3,4,2], no?
15:04:12 <AnMaster> well if that is what the specs say
15:04:24 <Deewiant> well what do you think it says
15:04:27 <AnMaster> but try catseye diagnosis tools after you change it
15:06:20 <Kevin`_> asiekierka: http://kwzs.be/~kevin/Screenshot-1.png - ms-dos over ssh, yay :)
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15:21:40 <tusho> asiekierka: I made a comic too. http://img.skitch.com/20080813-jmxd865qbiw2w9fi1juc94hadn.png
15:25:59 <tusho> AnMaster: incorrect
15:26:03 <tusho> that is the exact shape of norway
15:26:21 <tusho> AnMaster: No. You are wrong.
15:26:29 <tusho> Jeez, you don't even know what Norway looks like.
15:26:32 <tusho> You should kill yourself or something.
15:26:35 <tusho> That's trivial knowledge.
15:26:38 <AnMaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:EUR_location_NOR.PNG
15:26:43 <tusho> Everyone knows it looks exactly like I done drawn it.
15:26:50 <tusho> AnMaster: That was created by the commies, dude.
15:27:07 <AnMaster> Deewiant, well I think [1,2,3,4,2] is right yes
15:27:34 <AnMaster> Deewiant, talk to MikeReily too about it
15:27:49 <AnMaster> Deewiant, and I need to clarify it in 108
15:28:24 <Deewiant> well TBH I don't think there's much to clarify, I don't see how I could have gotten it wrong :-P
15:29:35 <AnMaster> I shall update cfunge for that soonish
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15:30:55 <asiekierka> lq JPG so i can upload it in less than a minute
15:31:08 <asiekierka> also, if you'll start talking, i used real paper.
15:31:35 <asiekierka> i found out i misspelled "data" as "dota" in the first comic
15:31:43 <asiekierka> ftp://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic1&2_lq.jpg
15:31:58 <AnMaster> asiekierka, asks for username/password
15:32:04 <fizzie> http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic1&2_lq.jpg
15:32:49 <AnMaster> asiekierka, stop copying xkcd ;P
15:32:51 <asiekierka> If they'll be good, i'll upload a HQ version
15:33:11 <AnMaster> actually I can't see what the second one is
15:33:50 <AnMaster> I can't see what the person say in the last box
15:35:09 <RodgerTheGreat> asiekierka: you're beating randall so far. Keep it up.
15:35:09 <tusho> http://img.skitch.com/20080813-957eaanjn4kpi78psagx2sg9e.png another comic
15:35:30 <asiekierka> except an xkc--- wait, i mean an xkcd--- i mean x..D :P
15:35:38 <asiekierka> Nope, i could just make them larger size
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15:36:47 <asie[draw]> so off to drawing more feelings of mine
15:39:05 <AnMaster> <RodgerTheGreat> asiekierka: you're beating randall so far. Keep it up.
15:41:17 <AnMaster> though xkcd today was just odd
15:41:37 <AnMaster> http://xkcd.com/461/ <-- think that one was quite funny though
15:42:59 <tusho> i have made another comic
15:43:01 <tusho> http://img.skitch.com/20080813-ps54n2wsfwy3dd28uq9tfgp5ij.png
15:43:09 <AnMaster> tusho, yours are worse than explosm even
15:43:16 <tusho> AnMaster: I am a true artist.
15:43:29 <tusho> Who are you to critique?
15:43:33 <tusho> You don't know the true shape of Norway.
15:43:44 <AnMaster> <fizzie> I don't think it's very Norway-shaped.
15:43:49 <tusho> You should hang yourself because YOU DON'T KNOW THE TRUE SHAPE OF NORWAY
15:43:57 <tusho> FIZZIE IS A COMMUNIST
15:44:06 <tusho> YOU ARE BEING SUCKED INTO HIS LIES!
15:44:18 <tusho> Oh, oh, it's trolling is it? I bet YOU are a communist!
15:44:18 * AnMaster puts tusho on mental ignore for half an hour
15:46:22 <asie[draw]> I wonder if doing something original, like "my nightjob" is better than copycating xkcd with my hobby
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15:50:15 <tusho> RodgerTheGreat: what do you think about my three comics
15:50:17 <tusho> aren't they amazing?
15:50:31 <tusho> http://img.skitch.com/20080813-jmxd865qbiw2w9fi1juc94hadn.png, http://img.skitch.com/20080813-957eaanjn4kpi78psagx2sg9e.png and http://img.skitch.com/20080813-957eaanjn4kpi78psagx2sg9e.png
15:50:46 <tusho> last one should be
15:50:46 <tusho> http://img.skitch.com/20080813-ps54n2wsfwy3dd28uq9tfgp5ij.png
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15:51:32 <tusho> what do you think about my comics :P
15:51:32 <AnMaster> MikeRiley, hi, seems y was wrong in mycology
15:51:41 <RodgerTheGreat> I think you have a poor definition of a "comic". Your attempts display little effort or skill, are incomprehensible and lack any of the defining features of something that could qualify as a comic.
15:51:47 <AnMaster> MikeRiley, when acting as pick
15:51:53 <AnMaster> mycology and ccbi did it wrong
15:52:06 <RodgerTheGreat> And if they're funny they are in such a twisted and inaccessible fashion that they can hardly considered as such
15:52:06 <MikeRiley> hmmmmmm wonder if mine is broken then too...
15:52:09 <tusho> RodgerTheGreat: Yeah, I know. After all, I am an idiot. :D
15:52:21 <AnMaster> MikeRiley, yeah but for me it was a one line change
15:52:24 <tusho> Actually i made them because they make me laugh. And at least 3 other people, apparently
15:52:35 <AnMaster> <Deewiant> AnMaster: if the stack is now [1,2,3,4,<number of cells y pushes + 3>] and we do y, the stack should be [1,2,3,4,2] and not [1,2], or?
15:52:43 <AnMaster> <Deewiant> AnMaster: I think the specs say that it should be [1,2,3,4,2] but all interpreters and Mycology seem to think it's [1,2] ;-)
15:53:15 <RodgerTheGreat> asie[draw]: very, very obscure humor, poor handwriting and not drawn very well, but they're certainly comics. It's a start
15:53:17 <MikeRiley> hmmmmmm have to take a look at that....
15:54:02 <asie[draw]> It's meant to be like it, drawing of mine is bad, quality broke some writing too
15:54:04 <AnMaster> asie[draw], yeah, I agree with what RodgerTheGreat says
15:54:12 <AnMaster> except I like the obscure humor
15:54:19 <AnMaster> better handwriting and drawing would be good though
15:54:25 <asie[draw]> The comics aren't there for being good.
15:54:31 <asie[draw]> The comics are there to describe my feelings.
15:54:44 <RodgerTheGreat> it doesn't have to be photorealistic, it doesn't have to be funny
15:54:51 <AnMaster> I suck at both hand writing and drawing
15:55:01 <asie[draw]> Handwriting... drawing on a bed isn't quite a good handwriting method xD
15:55:19 <AnMaster> I can hardly read my *own* handwriting
15:58:25 <tusho> RodgerTheGreat i liked your review so I made a comic out of it please note if you are colourblind please do not view this comic as you may not appreciate the full spectrum of comic entertainment it provides!oh no skitch.com is down i cannot upload it :(
15:59:10 <tusho> i'd upload it to rutian if I wasn't so lazy
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15:59:45 <oklopol> i like how the guy sits down for a sip of coffee after starting to run the cyclig tag system
16:00:14 <Deewiant> MikeRiley: yeah, I uploaded a new Mycology
16:00:18 <MikeRiley> ok, fixed in Rc/Funge-98,,,,now i just need a mycology that does not say error for that now....
16:00:19 <asie[draw]> That cyclic tag comic was meant to show my feelings about the cyclic tag system
16:00:42 <tusho> hello RodgerTheGreat i now have the comic entertainment for you let me show you
16:00:46 <tusho> http://nonlogic.org/dump/images/1218639494-comic.png
16:00:55 <tusho> i hope you appreciate it :)
16:00:56 <oklopol> asie[draw]: can you elaborate on these feeligns?
16:01:23 <oklopol> i used to draw cartoons where these bone-looking characters died in different ways
16:01:46 <asie[draw]> I'd need to recall my feelings from the second i made the comic
16:02:12 <tusho> oklopol: have you seen the others
16:02:14 <tusho> i have one about norway, that's a sure sign of quality
16:02:54 <tusho> skitch.com is down
16:03:02 <tusho> i'll nonlogicdump them
16:03:22 <MikeRiley> ok, new Mycology showed my y change was good....
16:03:37 <asie[draw]> tusho: your comics aren't comics at all!
16:03:59 <tusho> I got a legal comic license.
16:04:03 <tusho> It cost like £500000.
16:04:11 <tusho> Only people who have that can call drawings they make comics.
16:04:22 <tusho> oklopol: ok here we are:
16:04:30 <tusho> http://nonlogic.org/dump/images/1218639719-comic2.png
16:04:39 <asie[draw]> Also, in poland, comics are free to make
16:04:46 <tusho> oklopol: and http://nonlogic.org/dump/images/1218639733-comic3.png
16:04:51 <asie[draw]> Except if you're an idiot. Then they pay you a lot of cash to make you make comics
16:05:43 <RodgerTheGreat> what tusho is making is no more a comic than this is: http://nonlogic.org/dump/images/1218306214-battle.png
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16:06:04 <tusho> but RodgerTheGreat mine are funny
16:06:05 <RodgerTheGreat> observe: no juxtaposition, no progression of time or space.
16:06:20 <tusho> ah, I see, RodgerTheGreat
16:06:25 <tusho> one panel comics aren't comics, right?
16:06:48 <tusho> weird, because i'm pretty sure Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal is a comic
16:07:27 <RodgerTheGreat> and it usually portrays the passage of time or the unfolding events
16:07:47 <tusho> so in the rulebook of comics
16:07:54 <tusho> "If you do not spend more than 10 seconds on it IT IS NOT A COMIC?"
16:07:58 <tusho> i'd like to see this rulebook
16:08:03 <tusho> and get qualified for comicdom
16:08:07 <oklopol> there is no formal definition of a comic
16:08:10 <MikeRiley> v1.17 of Rc/Funge-98 has been posted to my site now,,,,this has the y bug fixed....
16:08:39 <RodgerTheGreat> oklopol: correct, in the same sense that there is no formal definition of art
16:09:13 <tusho> RodgerTheGreat: I know, I mean I'm a little pest and the reason "youngsters" aren't taken seriously on the 'net, right? I believe the preferred method was "in a fire"?
16:09:18 <RodgerTheGreat> but if you take a shit in the gimp and call it a comic you're denigrating the classification
16:09:39 <tusho> denigrating the classification! holy fuck! aaah! I'm dying!
16:09:46 <tusho> so what, if I make like 1000 more of these
16:09:50 <RodgerTheGreat> observe that once again it is tusho bringing up his age because he has an immense chip on his shoulder
16:09:52 <tusho> the word "comic" will mean "shit in the gimp"?
16:10:01 <tusho> RodgerTheGreat: Those are all quotes from you.
16:10:15 <tusho> you called me "a little pest", "the reason youngsters aren't taken seriously on the internet", and agreed that I should "die in a fire".
16:11:11 <oklopol> tusho: i'd call those drawings of yours abstract art
16:11:15 <asie[draw]> Going to up them shortly, and with higher quality.
16:11:26 <tusho> oklopol: abstract art, "shits in the gimp"
16:11:28 <tusho> what's the difference
16:11:34 <RodgerTheGreat> the fact that you're apparently obsessively collecting criticisms of yourself only serves to drive my point home. Get over yourself.
16:11:54 <tusho> RodgerTheGreat: generally I remember it when someone is continually and unprovokedly aggresive to me
16:12:40 <oklopol> there's no formal definition of a comic, but there are definitely comic elements, like juxtaposition and progression of time as RodgerTheGreat mentioned; some comics don't have those, but are in a context where you'd expect a comic, and thuse are clearly meant as freeform comics; yours have no indication of being comics
16:13:11 <tusho> oklopol: on the other hand, denigerating classifications is my day job
16:13:18 <tusho> so I'll continue to call them comics
16:13:28 <RodgerTheGreat> you can bend rules or omit facets of the form, but if you discard it entirely you are no longer creating a comic
16:13:31 <oklopol> tusho: yeah, make that the 6th comic and you have yourself a comic :)
16:15:57 <asie[draw]> Then going back to drawing 6th, 7th and 8th
16:17:47 <asie[draw]> http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic3.jpg, http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic4.jpg, http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic5.jpg
16:18:02 <asie[draw]> Soon going to reupload asiecomic1&2 in HQ
16:19:32 <tusho> i made a new comic http://img.skitch.com/20080813-tpquy9g5iegpnq4st3c9a8eq3g.png
16:19:42 <asie[draw]> If it's any better than mine, i'm going to...
16:19:49 <oklopol> i don't really know cursive
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16:21:05 <asie[draw]> you mean, harder to read my handwriting
16:21:14 <tusho> mine's pretty coherent
16:21:18 <oklopol> self-aware comics without a joke are alway
16:21:23 <tusho> it states an action, then does it several times
16:21:27 <tusho> then comments on the outcome!
16:21:40 <asie[draw]> Also, you mean the 4th comic, well, it's a blueprint of a comic
16:22:16 <oklopol> tusho: you're losing timelessness with your RodgerTheGreat comments
16:22:31 <oklopol> of course probably just want him to flip and tell you to die, but anyway :P
16:22:37 <tusho> back to originality for the next comic!
16:22:49 <asie[draw]> About comic 5, i was out of ideas, but this one has at least mostly readable text :)
16:23:30 <oklopol> base comics are getting a little old
16:24:11 <tusho> oh, and I think I'm due to get my first character soon!
16:24:21 <tusho> oklopol: http://img.skitch.com/20080813-b3ifhbsx5eujdarx87d212ab95.png
16:25:25 <oklopol> that's funny with the comment
16:26:06 <tusho> ok I will have a character now
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16:28:20 <oklopol> wasn't the idea that you alraedy had characters?
16:28:24 <tusho> http://img.skitch.com/20080813-cu6naa5637pwuce6d4utnpnc8d.png
16:28:28 <tusho> see i suck at characters
16:28:36 <tusho> i should stick to unicode ones
16:28:54 <tusho> you just found a joke in my comic
16:28:55 <tusho> that even i didn't get
16:29:04 <tusho> http://img.skitch.com/20080813-b3ifhbsx5eujdarx87d212ab95.png is like so much more funny now
16:30:10 <tusho> norway is a running character
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16:34:21 <asie[draw]> This time, i'm going to make it better quality
16:34:21 <tusho> cool, then allow me to retroactively claim this one was made for you:
16:34:36 <tusho> http://img.skitch.com/20080813-dfef5tfkdy7kdxtrjf1yejj4di.png
16:34:48 <tusho> asie[draw]: i mean, allow me to claim this
16:34:49 <tusho> http://img.skitch.com/20080813-dfef5tfkdy7kdxtrjf1yejj4di.png
16:34:51 <asie[draw]> but I made it for tusho, he's a special guest of the comic
16:34:56 <tusho> oklopol: i think you'll like this one, maybe
16:35:12 <asie[draw]> The comic 6 will be saved in PNG! YAY!
16:35:46 <MikeRiley> just finished making vectors use the storage offset,,,,mycology still runs fine...
16:35:53 <MikeRiley> might be some good tests for you to add now....
16:36:17 <Deewiant> I probably won't test it explicitly as it's a bit of a pain, there are so many vector instructions :-P
16:36:29 <Deewiant> but I think I'm going to move stuff around a bit as I add new fingerprints
16:36:30 <tusho> although oklopol might not like it as it's quite colourful
16:36:37 <tusho> dunno if oklopol likes colourful stuff, though
16:37:09 <MikeRiley> may only really need to make it part of the INDV tests...
16:37:58 <MikeRiley> also,,,on my site there are some tests for fingerprints you do not test yet,,,,feel free to incorporate those tests into Mycology if you wish....
16:38:38 <tusho> oklopol: do you like http://img.skitch.com/20080813-dfef5tfkdy7kdxtrjf1yejj4di.png, though
16:38:53 <oklopol> i don't like the font of the brown text
16:39:20 <asie[draw]> http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic6.png - sorry for the filesize, also, do you like that i'm mostly using FONTS now?
16:39:24 <MikeRiley> expected output for the tests appears at the end of each of the files...
16:39:40 <tusho> oklopol: i am deliberately choosing bad fonts for this :D
16:39:55 <asie[draw]> Sorry for the "grainish" quality, i'll fix that in later versions
16:40:05 <tusho> asie[draw]: well, that makes less sense than my comics
16:40:07 <tusho> so naturally I love it :D
16:41:06 <RodgerTheGreat> asie[draw]: wait, so in #6 you shrink tusho and put him in a cannon, and then he becomes a screaming volleyball on a table?
16:41:29 <tusho> that's pretty trippy
16:43:15 <tusho> well i am in a lot of pain now :D
16:44:39 <asie[draw]> for this one, it was obviously tusho's ""comics""
16:44:52 <tusho> http://img.skitch.com/20080813-dfef5tfkdy7kdxtrjf1yejj4di.png is obviously a comic
16:44:54 <asie[draw]> http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic6.jpg - 40kb smaller, and added some text that wasnt before
16:45:08 <RodgerTheGreat> asie[draw]: how about spending more time attempting to draw?
16:45:53 <asie[draw]> Why? Just because i can't really draw better
16:46:00 <asie[draw]> and stickmen would look like they do anyway
16:46:11 <asie[draw]> that'll improve the quality a little too
16:46:27 <RodgerTheGreat> if you only draw stickmen, that's all you'll ever be able to draw
16:47:02 <asie[draw]> that's how my comics are meant to look
16:47:22 <tusho> i don't see what is wrong with stickmen RodgerTheGreat
16:47:43 <asie[draw]> Now, an esolang to take inspiration from
16:47:44 <RodgerTheGreat> in comics your ability to portray things is limited by your art. Also, "that's how my comics are meant to look" is no excuse for sloppiness. XKCD, for example, uses crude stick figures, but they're drawn much more thoughfully
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16:48:18 <tusho> RodgerTheGreat have you ever considered that people make comics for their own enjoyment and because they want to
16:48:25 <tusho> not because they want to live up to your high and mighty definition of "good comic"
16:48:49 <asie[draw]> I don't draw them to be awesome and good.
16:48:59 <asie[draw]> I just want them to show my feelings and ideas
16:49:00 <RodgerTheGreat> if he was drawing it purely for his own enjoyment he wouldn't be putting them on the internet. This implies he wants an audience. An audience implies feedback and criticsm
16:49:05 <asie[draw]> And be funny at least 1/4th of the time
16:49:11 <tusho> RodgerTheGreat: No. No it does not.
16:49:17 <asie[draw]> I put them to let others see what i do.
16:49:17 <tusho> It implies "heh, I drew this stuff, maybe someone else will like it"
16:49:44 <asie[draw]> If i said "Here you go, here are comics, now review them" then it'll mean i'm looking for an audience.
16:50:06 <RodgerTheGreat> "sharing the fun with people" says you want an audience
16:50:12 <tusho> RodgerTheGreat: no, it means
16:50:21 <tusho> "if there is anyone who would consider this fun, hope you enjoy the fun"
16:50:33 <tusho> not "i hope someone enjoys this fun, if they don't, please tell me how i can make it fun"
16:50:41 <tusho> that is what both me and asie[draw] are doin
16:51:04 <tusho> actually xkcd started doing the former
16:51:07 <tusho> and still has elements of it, I find
16:51:15 <dogface> I hear asie[draw] is drawing.
16:51:18 <tusho> he just put his doodles up because, well, he wanted to.
16:51:52 <asie[draw]> That's why my comics have the unofficial name of "Screebles"
16:52:07 <asie[draw]> That these are not real comics, but "screebles"
16:53:58 <dogface> Where are all the asiecomics?
16:55:40 <dogface> Hmm, tusho has comics, too?
16:55:48 <tusho> I'll compile all the links.
16:56:00 <asie[draw]> http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic7.jpg - rodgerthegreat, see this. NOW.
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16:57:35 <tusho> http://img.skitch.com/20080813-jmxd865qbiw2w9fi1juc94hadn.png, http://img.skitch.com/20080813-957eaanjn4kpi78psagx2sg9e.png, http://img.skitch.com/20080813-ps54n2wsfwy3dd28uq9tfgp5ij.png, http://img.skitch.com/20080813-p34j6undrtiw7q4ucwwh5mj8k3.png,
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16:57:45 <tusho> http://img.skitch.com/20080813-tpquy9g5iegpnq4st3c9a8eq3g.png, http://img.skitch.com/20080813-b3ifhbsx5eujdarx87d212ab95.png, http://img.skitch.com/20080813-cu6naa5637pwuce6d4utnpnc8d.png and http://img.skitch.com/20080813-dfef5tfkdy7kdxtrjf1yejj4di.png
16:58:02 <asie[draw]> I tihnk rodger ran away after seeing this comic.
16:58:50 <dogface> The asiecomics are a little hard to read.
16:59:04 <fizzie> Tushocomics weren't too easy to read either.
16:59:05 <asie[draw]> And they're not meant to be for an audience
16:59:08 <tusho> dogface: tushomics
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16:59:20 <tusho> still, there's not that much text
16:59:24 <fizzie> tusho; Oh, right, they weren't comics.
16:59:25 <asie[draw]> But you know all characters i put in mine are parodies
16:59:30 <asie[draw]> You must first make me angry, or funny
16:59:46 <tusho> fizzie: Tushomics may be hard to comprehend, but the _text_ that they have is pretty easy to read
17:00:30 <fizzie> tusho; The greenish stuff in http://img.skitch.com/20080813-957eaanjn4kpi78psagx2sg9e.png wasn't very easy to read, especially the first line.
17:00:46 <tusho> fizzie: Oh, well, that's not text. That's just art. :-P
17:01:02 <asie[draw]> So, well, i'm going to make the eight comic whenever i find inspiration
17:01:04 <tusho> I think it says "YOU'RE SO FAT your mother is palatino linotyp(Buffer, Overflow...)"
17:02:29 <tusho> asie[draw]: give it a try :P
17:02:45 <asie[draw]> Nope, i wanted to do a timeline of xmas computer-related presents
17:02:48 <Deewiant> MikeRiley: REFC should probably not use the storage offsets, right?
17:02:55 <asie[draw]> and all consoles and computers are too hard to draw
17:03:14 <Deewiant> MikeRiley: since the list is global
17:03:18 <asie[draw]> I want to make asiecomics in max 30 minutes
17:03:31 <asie[draw]> And drawing 30 consoles&computers is more than a hour of work
17:03:33 <Deewiant> MikeRiley: if IP 1 pushes with its storage offset and IP 2 pops with its, that wouldn't work...
17:03:48 <MikeRiley> i agree,,,,so yeah,,,,REFC should not use it....
17:03:58 <tusho> asie[draw]: tushomics take max 5 minutes
17:04:16 <asie[draw]> Usually they should take at minimum 1 minute
17:04:41 <asie[draw]> 15 minutes max is for very graphical/long comics
17:04:48 <asie[draw]> 30 minutes is for INSANE comics with INSANE amount of both
17:05:42 <Deewiant> MikeRiley: and I guess it should be the same for INDV and any others which store vectors in funge-space??
17:06:26 <MikeRiley> not sure about INDV....but does end up producing a similar problem .
17:06:56 <Deewiant> IMO they should be absolute to avoid that problem
17:07:04 <MikeRiley> storing vectors in funge-space may not be the issue,,,,but using vectors that came from funge-space....
17:07:30 <Deewiant> well you just have to know in the code that they're absolute
17:07:43 <MikeRiley> which makes exceptions,,,,i hate exceptions.....
17:07:54 <Deewiant> you just know that since they come from INDV they may have come from another IP with a different storage offset
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17:08:16 <Deewiant> and thus, in the befunge, you should subtract your storage offset from them before using them with instructions like g
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17:09:13 <Deewiant> MikeRiley: and hmm, PNTR is still in your manual, I thought you were going to get rid of it?
17:13:54 <tusho> I have a truly marvellous topic for this channel which this message is too small to contain.
17:14:02 <tusho> (That was so optbot picks that up.)
17:14:02 <optbot> tusho: you can get integers from natural numbers with a pair of them, (a, b) where the number is a - b
17:14:19 <MikeRiley> rid of it now in my copies....next site update PNTR will be gone from there too
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17:17:34 <tusho> asie[draw] make an esolang that generates comics.
17:18:06 <ihope> Mind if I say "optbot" until optbot gives me my Fibonacci functions?
17:18:07 <optbot> ihope: I get Emacs to higlight trailing whitespace for me, because occasionally it's relevant
17:18:20 <tusho> Uh, it doesn't know current stuff though.
17:18:26 <tusho> Only stuff that happened up to the time when it was put up.
17:18:36 <tusho> that is, everything before its time
17:18:44 <ihope> It's probably not going to give them, then.
17:19:45 <ihope> Let me see, a*phi + b... multiply by phi and b becomes a and a becomes a+b. So a is the higher Fibonacci number, b is the lower.
17:20:39 <ihope> Position 0 is the 1,0 in 1,0,1,1,2,3,5,8...
17:21:21 <asie[draw]> http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic8&9.JPG http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic10.JPG
17:21:30 <ihope> (a*phi + b)^2 = a*(phi+1) + 2a*b*phi + b^2 = (2a*b + a)*phi + a + b^2.
17:21:34 * ihope plays with it in Python
17:21:42 <tusho> first one is broken
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17:22:40 <ihope> Oh no, I see seven.
17:22:51 <asie[draw]> hint hint: Sane people look closely before they assume something.
17:23:14 <ihope> Who's the guy wearing a T-quadromino?
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17:24:23 <ihope> Not related to the guy wearing a half rest, from xkcd?
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17:25:57 <asie[draw]> the lower right P in the large P has a light line drawn that makes it into an 8 or a B
17:26:30 <ihope> Nonsense, letters don't have colors. :-)
17:27:40 <asie[draw]> a Unefunge Befunge Trefunge Quafunge 5Efunge... Googfunge...
17:27:52 <asie[draw]> Googfunge refers to a number called "Google".
17:28:31 <tusho> google is named after it
17:28:35 <ihope> Bah, my doubling function thinks 11 and 14 are Fibonacci numbers.
17:28:45 * ihope congratulates someone
17:28:58 <ihope> Mine goes up to 11. Or something. :-)
17:29:56 <tusho> Mine were more polished. :P
17:30:02 <tusho> How do you know I'm done?
17:30:39 <fizzie> Comic-fight. To the death.
17:31:38 <ihope> Indeed, asiecomics are more comicish.
17:32:08 <tusho> Yes but mine are funnier.
17:32:44 <asie[draw]> They're meant to express my feelings and ideas.
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17:39:16 <ihope> n=gavin? How suspicious.
17:39:32 <ihope> ~exec sys.stdout("something like this")
17:39:55 <ihope> Oh, there is no bsmnt_bot.
17:41:14 <fizzie> Yes, there was a brief period of bsmnt_bot messing-around earlier today.
17:41:32 <ihope> I'll have to write bashbot, then.
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17:42:53 <asie[draw]> Oh no, i think i made an infinite loop in Bitwise Cyclic Tag, 010; with data 10
17:45:08 <asie[draw]> http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic11.jpg <- O_O
17:45:11 <ihope> An infinite tool would be interesting.
17:47:55 <asie[draw]> FUNFACT: It was originally meant to be a calculator made from sticks
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18:26:39 <tusho> i am assuming that was referring to something other than my comics
18:27:09 <psygnisfive> but alas, i cannot explain right now, for i must go dig up the roots of plants.
18:27:14 <tusho> although i don't generally trust you to have a non-idiotic opinion on anything, since I haven't seen one come out of you yet
18:27:36 <psygnisfive> wow, didnt take you long to get nasty did it
18:28:21 <tusho> actually i did that to flare you up :D
18:28:32 <tusho> since I know what you're talking about
18:29:08 <psygnisfive> whatever helps you feel good about your insecurities :)
18:29:46 <tusho> i'm not insecure at all, i'm very happy
18:29:55 <tusho> but I'm pretty sure trying to put insecurities on others is a hallmark of insecurity!
18:41:32 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | gives meaning to syntax that previously didn't have any.
18:57:39 <optbot> fizzie: I see what the issue is
18:57:53 <fizzie> optbot; And, what is the issue?
18:59:14 <fizzie> optbot; Is that Greek?
18:59:14 <optbot> fizzie: collaborative project idea: alphabet poem
19:03:13 <ihope> optbot: is "mikrokosmos" Greek?
19:03:13 <optbot> ihope: when you take the limit of smaller intervals, that is the riemann integral
19:06:12 <ihope> The Riemann integral of the Pythagorean comma is 3.
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19:06:27 <ihope> Aww, KingOfKarlsruhe, you just missed my enlightenment.
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19:22:00 <oklopol> http://rafb.net/p/Zrn36t47.html <<< /me is very disappointed
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19:37:21 <psygnisfive> i prefer the pythagorean apostrophe, myself
19:38:28 <psygnisfive> ihope, when shall we do your version of The Game?
19:38:48 <ihope> psygnisfive: my version of The Game?
19:39:27 <ihope> After tusho writes a proposal system, asset system, credit system, corporation system, and justice system for Normish.
19:40:16 <ihope> ~exec sys.stdout("Meep?")
19:41:16 <ihope> ~exec sys.stdout.write("Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meeeeeeeeeep Meep-Meep")
19:46:12 <oklopol> it won't let programs change the registry
19:46:35 <oklopol> why can't there be like a safety switch
19:46:51 <oklopol> i don't want safety, safety is for kids and retards
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19:56:46 <AnMaster> ~bs +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
19:56:59 <tusho> who wants to add it
19:58:12 <optbot> Mony: s='s=%r;print s%%s';print s%s
19:58:22 <Mony> optbot, what the fuck is it ?
19:58:23 <optbot> Mony: I've got a project for this weekend.
19:58:35 <Mony> yeah, nice optbot ^^
19:59:02 <AnMaster> tusho, what was the context of it?
20:01:05 <tusho> AnMaster: context -
20:01:08 <tusho> 08.07.07:15:09:52 <ais523> AnMaster: gives meaning to syntax that previously didn't have any
20:01:23 <tusho> 15:09:41 <AnMaster> oh I see
20:01:24 <tusho> 15:09:43 <ais523> because the thing it's testing isn't supported
20:01:24 <tusho> 15:09:43 <AnMaster> what is CREATE?
20:01:24 <tusho> 15:09:52 <ais523> AnMaster: gives meaning to syntax that previously didn't have any
20:01:24 <tusho> 15:09:59 <ais523> there's a DO T .1 in the INTERCAL file
20:02:41 <oklopol> tusho: what filter removed "AnMaster:"?
20:03:10 <tusho> oklopol: it removes "(word without spaces)[:,]" at the start of a sentence
20:04:14 <oklopol> that was a clever thing to notice
20:06:32 <fizzie> My nonstandard "name;" syntax isn't removed, then. Fortunately I won't speak much.
20:08:06 <tusho> fizzie: Why do you use it, by the way? :P
20:08:11 <tusho> oklopol: ais523 suggested it
20:08:27 <tusho> fizzie: Surely you do tab completion, right?
20:08:33 <tusho> In which case it should be configurable...
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20:08:56 <fizzie> Well, no. Usually I just mumble without directing the stuff to anyone.
20:09:42 <fizzie> One one channel I used to use the shortest case-insensitively unique prefixes. So it'd be "tu; foo" when speaking to you.
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20:12:03 <ihope> I have other things to do.
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20:13:01 <ihope> Now that I've found packages.debian.org, I wonder what I wanted to look up.
20:13:36 <tusho> [20:09:44] <fizzie> One one channel I used to use the shortest case-insensitively unique prefixes. So it'd be "tu; foo" when speaking to you.
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20:56:51 <tusho> "[...]The main contender, ReiserFS, dropped out of the race because its creator decided to pursue other interests[...]"
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21:08:12 <ihope> I keep meaning to write a bashbot.
21:11:09 <ihope> Oh, right, GHC was what I wanted to look up in packages.debian.org.
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