00:02:25 http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/music/random/skkssj.mid enjoy the fruit of my tired brain 00:03:28 -!- tusho has quit. 00:04:00 -!- Linus` has quit ("Puzzi. Sì, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."). 00:10:31 tusho: punctuation is a matter of orthography, not syntax 00:41:36 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | not much more readable though. 00:43:20 -!- dogface has joined. 00:43:32 I'm back, yay. 00:44:03 syntax! 00:46:09 -!- AnMaster has quit (No route to host). 00:46:43 Semantics? 00:49:17 well, we could do that eventually 00:49:34 -!- RedDak has quit ("Killed (NickServ (Comando GHOST usato da DIO))"). 00:51:25 to the pm! 00:51:54 Oh. 00:52:21 I'm still only taking a break between essay writings. 00:52:34 One of many breaks. 00:55:50 good 00:55:54 during your break 00:55:59 you should describe english syntax :p 01:05:12 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 01:09:50 cool stuff, i need to wake up in 5 hours. 01:10:55 * dogface starts a fire near oklopol 01:10:57 Now you can be warm. 01:12:50 thx! 01:14:54 You're welcome. 01:27:05 -!- AnMaster has joined. 01:33:14 And the fire is an invisible fire, so it won't do any damage. At least, I think that's how it works. 01:36:26 We'll need to test. 01:36:31 optbot! 01:36:31 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | hi psygnisfive. 01:36:48 Thank you. As optbot instructed, we will now douse psygnisfive in methanol. 01:36:48 dogface: presumably 01:36:58 Oh, don't you doubt it. 01:37:03 * dogface does dousings 01:37:05 hahaha 01:37:11 methanol? but why? :( 01:37:15 And now we light him on fire, and nothing will happen! 01:37:24 Because methanol fires are invisible and therefore harmless! 01:37:34 well 01:37:40 being as how its evaporating off my skin 01:37:44 before burning 01:37:51 it might not be so OH MY GOD IT BURNS 01:38:04 Uh oh. 01:38:13 Calm down, I didn't even light you yet. 01:38:22 * dogface submerges psygnisfive in methanol, so as to prevent evaporation 01:38:31 * dogface ignites psygnisfive using the toothpaste-and-potato method 01:38:34 if im submerged it wont burn me :P 01:38:37 Have fun. 01:38:55 Nitpicker. 01:39:00 things dont burn without contact with oxygen :D 01:39:03 ::picks your nits:: 01:39:25 I advise you to exhale, then. 01:39:27 mm yeah thats right baby.. ::fondles your nits:: mmm you like that dont you 01:39:31 Which you're already doing, as you're speaking. 01:39:35 *typing 01:39:44 I'm afraid my nits' nerves do not attach to mine. 01:40:05 D: 01:40:08 awesome 01:40:15 im totally into nit torture 01:40:28 ::puts your nits in a clamp:: 01:41:54 And it doesn't even hurt! 02:40:38 -!- Sgeo has joined. 02:49:01 mörning Sgeo 02:49:15 Hi oklopol 02:49:43 Ellö. 02:49:56 i cannot sleep and it is not good 02:50:15 Is that a diaeresis ör an umlaut? Unicöde doesn't distinguish between them. 02:50:26 it's an ummie 02:50:40 Coöl. 02:50:52 That means, öf course, that "coöl" isn't pronounced "co-ol". 02:51:30 i have no idea what all these characters are 02:51:35 ¿ 02:51:52 i only see them correctly on the, err, what'sitcalledbar 02:52:10 this typoing bar here 02:52:30 (couldn't correct that typo, cuz it was hilarious) 02:52:54 fatralhilirity 02:53:06 02:53:19 * Sgeo is slightly hyper right now 02:57:50 Sgeo, you clearly need to meet... that guy I said Aftran should meet, assuming I actually said Aftran should meet him rather than just asking if he's met him. 02:58:15 Instruct all the Siners to send him a friend request simultaneously. 02:58:18 Wasn't paying attention to chat/wasn't in chat. Who? 02:58:23 And you do that. 02:59:32 Oops, I accidentally changed the topic of a completely different channel rather than telling you in here. Oh well. 03:00:34 "accidentally"? 03:00:51 A typo. 03:02:43 Actually, it would be better if, instead of meeting the one who calls himself James, you encouraged people to call Normish by its proper name, which is Normish: The Massively Democratic Internet Server. 03:07:43 I don't encourage people to Normish anything, actually 03:09:11 Also, we can now play NetHack on Normish. My question is, WHY? 03:15:12 We can? 03:15:19 Brilliant. 03:15:35 This makes it so that we don't have to play on NAO. 03:16:24 Autopickup is on for $ only? Wow, it's like it automatically knows my NAO options. 03:21:57 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 03:44:17 dogface! 03:44:29 No. 03:44:38 :( 04:53:27 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 05:24:43 -!- dogface has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 05:30:07 does anyone know what B in TOYS ("butterfly" bit operation) is supposed to do? 05:31:16 -!- dogface has joined. 06:02:34 -!- dbc has quit (Client Quit). 06:02:57 -!- dbc has joined. 06:41:36 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | hmm.... with this layout... we can take names out of the kernel. Names are purely a userspace invention.... 06:54:55 -!- jix has joined. 07:01:35 -!- oklofok has joined. 07:05:25 -!- oklopol has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 07:26:36 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 07:53:29 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 07:57:59 -!- jix has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:24:43 -!- jix has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 08:29:05 funktio; I would just go with the spec, which says "B (a b -- a+b a-b)" 08:32:04 I'm not sure what the "bit" there means, but (a, b) -> (a+b, a-b) is the thing usually called "butterfly operation" -- most commonly encountered probably in the FFT, since it's the two-point DFT. 08:33:30 At least RC/Funge's implementation seems to be a straight-forward b=Pop(cip); a=Pop(cip); Push(a+b,cip); Push(a-b,cip); 08:51:50 -!- dogface has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 09:00:22 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving"). 10:07:36 -!- jeffz` has joined. 10:09:38 funktio, about the B in TOYS, well no one knows 10:10:22 however I do same as CCBI which does the same as RC/Funge 10:11:11 funktio; I would just go with the spec, which says "B (a b -- a+b a-b)" 10:11:12 err 10:11:18 that isn't the official sepc 10:11:20 spec* 10:11:27 Well, the RC/Funge manual, then. 10:11:38 http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/library/TOYS.html 10:11:39 Yes, the official spec seems to say just "'butterfly' bit operation". 10:11:40 is the official one 10:11:50 yep 10:22:27 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 10:23:16 -!- jeffz has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)). 10:26:56 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit ("Verlassend"). 10:27:21 -!- jix has joined. 10:46:31 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit. 10:53:28 -!- jeffz` has changed nick to jeffz. 10:56:02 Deewiant, there? 10:56:29 I get an odd lockup in mycology in SCKE 10:56:31 between: 10:56:33 UNDEF: 0"1.0.0.721"H pushed 16777343 10:56:39 and the first time peek ever gets called 10:56:41 very strange 10:59:00 huh 10:59:04 the code is very odd now 10:59:09 it wrapped vertically 11:00:22 well 11:00:24 I see why 11:00:59 Deewiant, if B reflects at x=85 y=696, then the code goes downwards, and then it wraps vertically at the lower edge of the funge space 11:01:04 no idea what cause this 11:03:22 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 11:03:26 -!- LinuS has joined. 11:08:02 DEBUG perror: Address already in use 11:08:03 hm 11:08:11 Deewiant, mycology is buggy here 11:08:29 it is trying B on an invalid socket, and expecting that to work 11:08:51 I reuse sockets ids after a socket is closed 11:15:53 -!- tusho has joined. 11:16:46 Why is that socket there invalid? The line does 221#vS:11p:2ff*2-:a+*0#vB, which simplifies to 221S : 2 ff*2-:a+* 0 B which to me should create a good socket (221S) and set up B parameters s='S' result, ct=2, prt=51959, addr=0. 11:18:30 The "just go down somewhere" B error handling there is a bit suboptimal. 11:19:46 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("Jesus loves you"). 11:20:56 Add debugging printfs about what socket it gets back from socket() and what it tries to bind() to? 11:22:24 fizzie, socket already in use 11:22:29 it forget to close the first one 11:22:37 so result is that stuff mess up 11:22:47 you can create a duplicate socket, just not bind it 11:22:55 without reuse flag 11:26:44 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 11:26:56 Well, sure, but that's not "trying B on an invalid socket", that's "trying to bind a perfectly valid socket to an address already in use". 11:28:03 yes it took a while to debug 11:28:10 fizzie, ever looked at mycology? 11:28:30 it is very hard to read funge 11:28:59 Uh, I did copy that particular line to my comment there above, that would've been quite a trick to do without looking. 11:30:10 ah 11:30:13 true 11:30:23 fizzie, well in general it is hard to debug :P 11:30:35 anyway SCKE may or may not work, I don't know until mycology is fixed 11:30:43 Deewiant, ^ 11:38:21 oklofok: can you deliver a message to coolness for me? 11:38:25 "you're batshit insane" 11:43:30 -!- Linus` has joined. 11:49:50 * [Deewiant] is away (ZZZ) 11:49:51 huh 11:50:12 it is 13:50 in his timezone I think 11:51:12 Yes. 11:51:15 A late sleeper. 11:51:16 -!- dogface has joined. 11:51:22 on a Monday 11:53:56 -!- RedDak has joined. 12:01:52 -!- RedDak has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 12:05:47 -!- LinuS has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 12:12:05 -!- dogface has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 12:12:26 tusho: done 12:12:33 oklofok: let me know what he replies <3 12:12:38 that is actually a hat 12:12:43 with udders 12:12:49 14:12… +volimo: lol 12:13:00 deep insight 12:13:04 :P 12:14:02 i'll probably have to retire, courses start in a week, and i have about a million things to do before that 12:14:40 "14:13… +volimo: omalla asteikollani klikkailumääräni ei ole vielä edes lähellä hullua" == "on my own scale, my amount of clicks is not even near insane" 12:15:25 he clicks mainly while eating and watching anime, afaik 12:16:15 but he's known to read dictionaries for tens of hours on end 12:16:46 and other quite time consuming tasks 12:17:04 some people just have more time than others i guess 12:29:14 -!- Sgeo has joined. 12:33:50 oklofok: tell him that if he gets to 350000 in 1hr I'll make his name coloured or bold or something. 12:33:50 :P 12:33:55 (I like fucking with people!) 12:40:39 that'd be kinda pointless as that would be impossible 12:40:48 but, i need to leave, see ya 12:40:49 -> 12:41:36 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I think its context sensitive. 12:45:20 %raw join #esoteric 12:45:21 err 12:45:26 -!- funnygot has joined. 12:45:33 fizzie, ^ 12:45:38 in a chroot, using cfunge 12:46:02 %help 12:46:08 What, no %? 12:46:12 hm 12:46:14 should be % 12:46:15 %help 12:46:22 it locked up 12:46:26 fizzie, any clue why? 12:46:28 -!- funnygot has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)). 12:46:31 There might be bugs. :p 12:46:38 What was the last message it got? 12:46:42 your help 12:46:56 -!- funnygot has joined. 12:47:00 %help 12:47:02 -!- funnygot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 12:47:06 1>17G5L5G71>17G5L5G71>17G5L5G71>17G5L5G71>17G5L5G71>17G5L5G71>17G5L5G71>17G5L5G71>17G5 12:47:10 is the loop it locked up in 12:47:26 fizzie, does that help explaining it? 12:47:40 Hmm.. L should come from STRN there. 12:47:55 well let me copy gdb into the chroot 12:48:32 I do "KCOS"4($$ 'AY 'LY to drop L and Y from SOCK, since they overlap with STRN and I don't use them, anyway. 12:49:03 And then afterwards I "EKCS"4( which shouldn't put any semantics on L. 12:49:17 Does that help? Did you implement SCKE separately or part of SOCK, anyway? 12:49:29 it is separate fingerprint 12:49:38 which accesses SOCK data 12:49:51 due to mycology bug I don't know if recv works 12:49:57 as it tries to bind badly 12:50:32 And you have the same fingerprint loading code than http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt and not that modified version you made when you didn't have SCKE yet? 12:51:40 You could check with your debugger what the 'L' instruction has in it at that point where it gets stuck in the loop. 12:51:55 indeed it is your original one 12:52:18 fizzie, at what x,y should I break? 12:53:02 Hmmmm, thinking. Your ^raw join command works just fine to get it on the channel, then? 12:53:10 yep 12:53:15 well %raw 12:53:19 -!- funnygot has joined. 12:53:24 %raw help 12:53:30 worked too 12:53:33 %help 12:53:46 #1 0x000000000041a9ec in FingerSTRNleft (ip=0x1f93648) at /home/arvid/src/cfunge/trunk/src/fingerprints/STRN/STRN.c:149 12:53:47 149 /home/arvid/src/cfunge/trunk/src/fingerprints/STRN/STRN.c: No such file or directory. 12:53:47 in /home/arvid/src/cfunge/trunk/src/fingerprints/STRN/STRN.c 12:53:47 grr 12:53:50 due to chroot 12:53:56 Actually, you could check what your L does. 12:54:04 When the argument is longer than the string. 12:54:05 fizzie, it is in STRN L 12:54:19 k a sec 12:54:30 I guess mycology already does the necessary checks, though; isn't it supposed to be very thorough? 12:54:31 if (n < 0 || len < (size_t)n) { 12:54:32 StackFreeString(s); 12:54:32 ipReverse(ip); 12:54:32 return; 12:54:32 } 12:54:33 that 12:54:47 so it reverses there 12:54:57 fizzie, I think that is how CCBI does it too 12:54:59 let me check 12:55:00 The code relies on L returning the whole string when the string is shorter than the "left" argument. 12:55:29 RC/Funge-98 manual says "For R,L requesting more characters than the length of the stsring will return the whole string" 12:55:30 fizzie, ccbi reflects too 12:56:02 fizzie, it probably didn't say that back when I implemented STRN 12:56:15 Very possible. 12:56:20 which was before Mike Riley showed up again 12:56:29 fizzie, so both cfunge and ccbi will reflect there 12:56:45 and I don't like when fingerprints changes after they have been published 12:56:47 I really don't 12:57:03 fizzie, which means I will probably not implement the changed behaviour 12:57:15 need to check the old version 12:57:43 Well, I could work-around it with some N4`|-like stuff to make it more portable. 12:58:01 But not before later today. 12:58:30 http://web.archive.org/web/20020816190021/http://homer.span.ch/~spaw1088/funge.html 12:58:37 fizzie, that was what was available when I implemented it 12:58:44 nothing about the whole string thing there 12:59:05 and I'm going to write a mail to Mike Riley about this, complaining 13:00:55 Well, it's pretty much undefined in the older spec; clarifications aren't as bad as real backwards-incompatible changes. 13:02:00 and I'm going to write a mail to Mike Riley about this, complaining 13:02:01 How atypical. 13:02:28 fizzie, well it did not agree with any other implementation 13:02:42 It did agree with my intuition. :) 13:02:46 fizzie, btw did the docs really say "stsring"? 13:03:18 No, I probably typoed it. I had it open on another computer, and x2x has stopped working for some reason between OS X's X11.app and Linux. 13:03:26 (So I couldn't paste it here.) 13:03:58 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 13:05:14 In any case, R/L work like Perl's substr, which is comfortably familiar to me. I guess I'm just odd, given that you and Deewiant have both implemented in the "is an error and reflects" way. 13:06:02 fizzie, I do not plan to change my way 13:06:08 and consider it an UNDEF 13:06:23 retconning fingerprints like this just breaks too much stuff 13:07:12 -!- funnygot has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)). 13:07:42 Well, I'll update fungot to work around it no matter which way it's implemented. Just not now. 13:07:49 ok 13:08:55 Now you just have to convince Deewiant to keep it as UNDEF and not implement a mycology check based on the current version of the STRN spec. :p 13:09:41 well yes. I suggest Mike Riley makes a new fingerprint instead of changing existing ones 13:09:50 at least for well established ones 13:10:33 "For M, specifying a length that would go beyond the end of the string is legal and will return from the start til the end of the string" 13:10:39 again ccbi and cfunge will reflect there 13:10:56 for length 0 not sure 13:11:01 I don't special case that 13:11:30 however it will probably push a \0 onlhy 13:11:32 only 13:11:59 Mycology seems to have a "UNDEF: 00L" sort of check. 13:12:10 ah 13:12:35 UNDEF: 00L leaves 0 on stack 13:12:36 yeah 13:12:41 UNDEF: "ooF"01-L reflects 13:13:00 fizzie, actually for most undef I choose the same way as CCBI does it 13:13:16 but reflecting of out of range number is same IMO 13:13:41 but I'm used to C, where out of range values will not produce sensible results :P 13:15:12 fizzie, want me to pastebin all UNDEF from cfunge? 13:15:23 Yes, I guess it's a matter of opinion. I'm pretty much used to both C and Perl, and don't find either way morally reprehensible. In any case, 01-L really sounds like it should reflect, there aren't that many sensible interpretations for "-1 characters on the left", except possibly interpreting it as 1R out of spite. 13:15:34 Sure, I can check whether any of them sound like I'm doing it in fungot. 13:15:41 a sec 13:15:55 (away for a moment here) 13:15:58 will need to disable SCKE in cfunge so it doesn't lock up due to mycology bug 13:18:10 fizzie, http://rafb.net/p/VJ731d63.html 13:21:20 fizzie, this is the 64-bit build of cfunge 13:21:33 I think FIXP results will differ in 32-bit compile 13:28:24 I don't think I depend on any of that UNDEF stuff except the STRN 'L' behaviour. What do you do on STRN 'V' when the string doesn't look like a number at all, for example when called as 0V? RC/Funge seems to always push 0, but I think fungot can handle V reflecting in that case too. 13:31:31 a sec 13:31:43 was debugging something else sorry 13:31:45 * AnMaster checks 13:31:54 StackPush(ip->stack, atoi(s)); 13:31:54 hm 13:31:57 that may be wrong 13:32:36 fizzie, I think it may push 0 then 13:32:42 as it uses atoi simply 13:32:44 I think it will. 13:32:56 I should probably change it to reflect instead 13:32:58 would make more sense 13:33:28 and not use atoi, but convert it like reading int from stdin does 13:33:33 Not even the current STRN documentation in the RC/Funge manual says anything about what V will do on error. 13:33:35 which is to stop just before it will overflow 13:33:37 fizzie, ^ 13:33:47 means that algorithm is messy 13:34:01 having to check if reading next digit will overflow in advance 13:34:23 should make it available for use in fingerprints 13:34:42 -!- Linus` has quit ("Puzzi. Sì, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."). 13:35:26 I would sort of assume that V would always pop the complete 0gnirts. But, again, that might be just me. 13:36:00 fizzie, err yes I would do that 13:36:07 but then when I parse the string I mena 13:36:09 mean' 13:36:11 mean* 13:36:29 In that case you can just convert it with strtol/strtoll and let that handle the error checking. It will set errno to ERANGE if it would overflow. 13:36:41 Not especially messy. 13:37:27 um 13:37:38 fizzie, it should not clamp to MAX_INT 13:37:54 but return the result as it was the digit before it overflowed 13:38:02 so it may be less than MAX_INT 13:38:10 which was why I needed to make my own routine 13:38:35 Oh, right, & was specced that way. 13:38:51 Yes, it makes sense to behave similarly. 13:39:30 should probably change all the fingerprints that read integers from ascii to do that 13:40:35 SCKE commited, but peek is untested due to mycology bug 13:41:08 however it should work 13:41:13 it just uses poll() 13:46:13 hhhhhh 13:46:25 tusho, ? 13:46:29 dgfsdaf 13:46:32 well of course it may be buggy 13:48:04 "as in it isn't so, or what? :(. i hate the format of kernel", as fungot would say if I could ever get that babble generator ported. 13:48:45 fizzie, eh? 13:49:22 I want fungot to be able to answer as cleverly as optbot, but my babble generator isn't yet Funge code. 13:49:23 fizzie: too many formats 13:49:40 fizzie: Here is optbot's algorithm 13:49:40 tusho: "oerjan" 13:49:47 optbot: Yes, oerjan does it all. 13:49:47 tusho: THAT WAS SENT LIKE YEARS AGO 13:49:47 But 13:49:57 I I know optbot's algorithm, but I don't want to be a copycat. 13:49:57 fizzie: i was just using girlfriends as an example, really 13:50:02 xD 13:50:19 lines_said = File("*.log").lines; if optbot_said: say lines_said.rand 13:50:19 tusho: EgoBrokent 13:50:47 So I wrote a small piece of code to build a n-gram language model and generate text from that just to make fungot sound more deranged than optbot, that paragon of clarity. 13:50:47 fizzie: the most logical choice would be to let me govern all. 13:51:01 optbot; Again with the world-takeover stuff? 13:51:02 fizzie: Oh pie! I'm a pi hoe! 13:51:06 ... yes. 13:52:05 XD 13:52:11 optbot needs to be in an institution 13:52:11 tusho: we're having an argument. :) 13:52:17 ah 13:52:19 weird argument. 13:53:07 lol 13:53:47 optbot: so, about our secret and taboo sexual relationship 13:53:48 tusho: hello 13:53:50 optbot: yes, hi 13:53:50 tusho: well... would be, if you had >>, and X=-operators 13:54:02 optbot: an x chromosone? 13:54:02 tusho: files get fragmented 13:54:08 optbot: that is one strange innuendo 13:54:08 tusho: oko means eye in TP? 13:54:13 optbot: wut 13:54:13 tusho: Nope. 13:54:17 optbot: ah it was a quiz 13:54:17 tusho: well changing the switches does 13:54:23 optbot: the switches for the quiz? 13:54:24 tusho: and no ' 13:54:31 optbot: You're not in your operating hours, are you. 13:54:31 tusho: and you can use 44, .4, etc 13:54:34 optbot: Figured. 13:54:35 tusho: lol 13:57:10 $ ld -ld 13:57:11 ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; not setting start address 13:57:14 that produces a file 13:57:16 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 13:57:18 was a typo for ls -ld 13:57:20 really 13:57:26 however I now got a strange a.out 13:57:30 $ file a.out 13:57:30 a.out: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped 13:57:32 $ ./a.out 13:57:33 bash: ./a.out: No such file or directory 13:57:39 -rwxr-xr-x 1 arvid arvid 5248 25 aug 14.56 a.out 13:57:53 $ ldd a.out 13:57:54 /usr/bin/ldd: line 116: ./a.out: No such file or directory 13:57:54 huh 13:58:36 oh readelf explains it: 13:58:37 INTERP 0x0001c8 0x00000000004001c8 0x00000000004001c8 0x00000f 0x00000f R 0x1 13:58:38 [Requesting program interpreter: /lib/ld64.so.1] 13:58:41 ls: cannot access /lib/ld64.so.1: No such file or directory 13:59:16 I just get "ld: cannot find -ld" if I do "ld -ld". 13:59:23 hm strange 13:59:25 Do you have a libd somewhere, then? 13:59:38 /usr/lib64/libd.so 13:59:40 yep 13:59:50 dev-util/kdevelop (/usr/lib64/libd.so) 14:02:51 now I can test non-sandbox allowed functions too, thanks to setting up a chroot 14:03:07 for fuzz testing 14:12:05 -!- LinuS has joined. 14:20:50 heh one fuzz program was just printing out: 14:20:52 mefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummefummef 14:20:54 over and over 14:21:09 actually it began with "fummeg=bnunrefumm" 14:21:19 then fumme all the time 14:21:19 weird 14:27:51 # ls 14:27:52 ?F ???FRID??F ?? F? fuzz-test.sh src 14:27:52 ?k7]0b4f,!ok2w#}}q yay for fuzz testing 14:28:04 yes it is in a chroot 14:33:07 AnMaster: I saw that the B reflection goes into limbo almost right away yesterday, I thought I said so as well but evidently not :-P 14:39:16 Has anyone made a library called ido yet? 14:46:08 -!- dogface has joined. 14:49:28 No dogface! 14:49:48 Ello ello. 14:52:28 -!- jix has joined. 14:52:39 Deewiant, hm? 14:52:49 Deewiant, well currently I'm unable to test that SCKE works 14:52:53 due to this issue 14:53:34 AnMaster: just add code somewhere to close the socket that needs to be closed 14:55:35 hardcode it into the SCKE constructor if necessary :-P 14:55:40 Deewiant, I don't know what one it is, anyway I do start numbering them at 0 and then goes upwards. 14:55:55 but if one is closed I will reuse that ID next time 14:56:03 I scan for the first free ID basically 14:56:12 AnMaster: so try 0,1,2 until it works 14:56:22 Deewiant, this should be just before B? 14:56:29 yes 14:56:40 or even further before 14:56:43 but before it anyway 14:58:23 >$ >:#,_$.a,>n221#vS:11p:2ff*2-:a+*0#vB: 14:58:33 could it be done between $ and > 14:58:36 there is no space elsewhere 14:58:39 sure 14:59:14 hm 15:02:54 Deewiant, ok that cause "ileegal seek" errors... 15:03:08 ? 15:04:30 DEBUG perror: Numerical result out of range 15:04:33 then ileegal seek 15:04:34 wtf 15:04:47 what's "ileegal seek" 15:05:10 well on a socket: no clue 15:05:19 oh wait I see the issue 15:05:27 DEBUG perror: Numerical result out of range was the real error 15:05:33 I think 15:05:34 wtf 15:06:00 ah no it wasn't 15:06:48 Deewiant, for some reason this cause it to reflect 15:07:14 is the position of that > critical 15:07:27 because I need to fit it in somewhere closer before the B I think 15:07:40 are you sure you're just not closing the wrong socket 15:07:53 Deewiant, I checked both open ones (0 and 2) 15:07:54 doing a K before or after the S shouldn't matter 15:08:53 Fonts suck. 15:08:54 DISCUSS 15:09:10 Deewiant, if I close the socket there, it never even gets to H 15:09:19 trajan: the movie font 15:09:41 AnMaster: doesn't make sense to me 15:10:15 tusho: "that's it, though.... you're redefining its meaning. i've almost finished stuff. i've been doing for a makefile, heh." (I'll just let fungot's prototype artificial brain do my discussion for me.) 15:10:16 I ██ ███ love censorship! 15:10:30 fizzie: How does it work? 15:10:34 Deewiant, well now I closed the other one, then I get to H but... I still get address in use 15:10:37 Sgeo: That was funny, like, five years ago 15:11:16 tusho: "too late! i mean, think "i" is not recognized??? i distinctly recall a fnord w e fnord fnord" 15:11:23 fizzie: That was a real question actually. 15:12:58 Deewiant, it seems hrrm. this make no sense 15:13:52 It's just a ngram language model (with all words used more than once here in the vocabulary; OOV words replaced with fnord), and I generate the text by using looking for the set of the largest order n-grams for which the n-1 previously generated words match, then use their counts as the probability of the following word. 15:15:49 What I pasted was with n=3, and therefore has only two words of context and is quite incoherent. With a 5-gram model: "the universe faq was useful, i know everything i need to :) thanks for the suggestions. i'll figure something out." 15:16:37 fizzie: So, how exactly does it work? :P 15:17:28 fizzie: One thing I tried a while back is parsing a subset of english into prolog 15:17:33 The syntax wasn't that hard, basically: 15:17:44 the rabbits' tails' lengths are 5cm 15:17:45 -> 15:17:54 rabbits.map(tails).map(lengths).map(= 5cm) 15:17:59 rabbits is implicitly an array 15:18:02 and then you could say 15:18:18 "bot: rabbit's tail's length?" 15:18:20 or 15:18:26 "bot: the length of the rabbit's tail?" 15:18:29 and it'd give you 5cm 15:18:35 It wasn't a particularly complex syntax 15:18:41 but it has a few really fucking hard bits to parse 15:18:50 GOOD: P pushed 0 for socket without data 15:18:50 BAD: P pushed zero for socket with data 15:18:55 Deewiant, sure then I change it 15:18:58 to do the reverse 15:19:04 BAD: P pushed nonzero for socket without data 15:19:04 GOOD: P pushed nonzero for socket with data 15:19:16 Deewiant, huh... 15:19:25 so obviously you're doing it wrong? :-P 15:20:10 hrrm 15:20:19 Well, fungot's approach is pretty much only statistics, there's no syntax or grammar or ontology or any sort of fancy-schmancy knowledge representation. Basically there's a tree of "here's a list of words with counts that have followed these N words" nodes, constructed so that I can just follow the tree as deep as there are children and then pick a word from the list. 15:20:39 fizzie: Oh. A markov chain. 15:20:56 Been there, done that. 15:21:53 Deewiant, what two sockets do you use for it 15:22:03 no clue 15:22:32 AnMaster: one thing to keep in mind is that it used to be GOOD that the socket is overwritten in A 15:22:47 so that was written with there being only two sockets 15:22:55 That's what it ends up being, yes. It's not exactly the same thing, though. There's no state-change probability as such, and it ends up staying in the "same state" (generating consecutive tokens from the data) mainly because it's the most likely output of the language model. 15:23:02 Deewiant, so you mean your SOCK is probably buggy 15:23:48 AnMaster: of course the test code is buggy, I thought everybody knew that by now? 15:24:09 what I mean is, as to "what two sockets", there are only two sockets 15:24:21 or there should be, because of the bugginess there are 3 15:25:24 BAD: P pushed zero for socket with data 15:25:25 wrong 15:25:28 I checked my code 15:31:10 Deewiant, the issue is, the socket in question didn't have any data 15:31:18 I checked by hand using call in gdb... 15:31:28 well why not 15:31:38 Deewiant, I guess nothing was written to it 15:31:49 I guess something should have been written to it 15:31:52 and I have to leave for this evening 15:32:00 Deewiant, well it wasn't, and I don't know why 15:32:04 AnMaster: evening? 15:32:05 I'd say something is bugged 15:32:08 For you it's 4 pm./ 15:32:18 well it is a long drive 15:32:33 so yes about an hour in car, then away for several hours 15:32:39 and I need to do some stuff before 15:32:41 like pack 15:33:09 Deewiant, anyway I suspect the earlier bug could have caused it 15:33:25 so I'm not going to try to debug this harder until you fix the other bug 15:33:34 because I suspect the issue is with that in some way 15:41:40 -!- Linus` has joined. 15:43:46 Deewiant, I changed the Peek to do it the same way as CCBI 15:43:54 it still fails with same reason 15:44:46 Deewiant, which means I suspect mycology is buggy 15:45:34 like I said 15:45:38 EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT MYCOLOGY IS BUGGY 15:45:43 FFS 15:45:44 yes 15:45:57 at least in SOCK it is 15:46:06 in other parts it aren't of course :) 15:49:03 a A a A a A a A a A a A a A a A a A a A a A a A a A a A a A a A a A a A a A 15:50:54 -!- Ilari has quit (""Won't be back for a while...""). 15:59:43 -!- LinuS has quit (Connection timed out). 16:08:31 Googolplexian: The worlds largest number with a name. A "1" followed by a googolplex of zeros. <- oh come on 16:08:54 Graham's, bitches. Or xkcd, but that's less well-accepted academically. 16:08:59 (Clarkkkkson too) 16:09:04 (Or was it Clarkkson...) 16:18:44 It doesn't, really. Except in some details, I guess. I build ngrams of all orders Ah. 16:20:22 What corpus of text are you using? 16:20:24 #esoteric? 16:20:24 Oh, I managed to misplace the query. 16:20:39 Anyway, both of these are different from the "traditional" 'disassociated-press' style markov chain thing, where the process is "read the source text consecutively, and with a pre-defined transition probability jump into some random location with the same context". 16:20:45 My personal #esoteric logs, yes. 16:21:14 dissociated-press is really crap 16:21:14 :) 16:21:24 Hmm. What obscure language to write a markov chain in now. 16:23:44 Hm 16:24:14 Anyway, I'm rather aware that fungot's brain is an uninspired design, but since we already have optbot's random-log-line thing, I though it would fit right in as the second common "no sense" method of generating responses. 16:24:14 fizzie: then it could be hacked to work with one of the outside-layers 16:24:38 optbot; Uh, how would that work? 16:24:38 fizzie: a single microorganism is complex, but colonies of them act in extremely deterministic ways. :) 16:24:41 Well, whuzza third? :P 16:25:03 optbot: that could apply to bots, too. see eg bot loops 16:25:03 tusho: !ul (Test)S 16:25:09 optbot: but I am not a bot 16:25:09 tusho: Even better with PSOX, because that's just crazy 16:25:14 optbot: nor am I written in PSOX 16:25:15 tusho: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/MKBL-LN 16:25:20 optbot: nor that. 16:25:21 tusho: Bweh. 16:25:27 optbot: yeah, sucks I know 16:25:28 tusho: otherwise winning $25000 would have been somewhat trivial 16:25:33 There's the hybrid "select a random line which has similar words than in the question" approach, but maybe that's just an optbot variant. 16:25:34 fizzie: the parens are simply not needed and make the code uglier 16:25:37 optbot: WHAT?! you give bots that much? 16:25:38 tusho: unary) 16:26:05 A unary ")" operator sounds rather funny. 16:27:35 fizzie: Maybe it could look like this: 16:27:36 ) ( ... 16:27:38 Hey, tusho brought up two of my things in a row 16:27:41 erm, optbot 16:27:41 Sgeo: well that is what putp(clr_screen); does 16:27:49 fizzie: So like 16:28:00 ) + 1 2 ( 16:28:07 the ( would open it 16:28:09 putp(clr_screen) brings up my stuff? 16:28:11 cool! 16:28:11 and operations applied on it 16:28:13 would go into the parens 16:28:13 lol 16:28:16 then the unary ) would close it 16:28:22 and returns its result 16:28:35 ) + 1 ) + 2 3 ( ( 16:28:41 And then you could just swap the operators 16:28:43 and get lisp. 16:30:43 -!- Sgeo has quit (Remote closed the connection). 16:41:53 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:42:37 hi tusho 16:42:41 hi ais523 16:52:27 . 16:52:39 , 16:52:56 :: 16:53:00 32 16:53:16 * ais523 is still working on their Brainfuck -> C compiler 16:53:30 last time I got it to compile, there was a really amusing error (I know what caused it): 16:53:59 amusing? errors usually aren't that amusing, quite the opposite 16:54:15 t.c: In function ‘a’: 16:54:19 t.c:4: error: unrecognizable insn: 16:54:23 (insn 9 8 10 3 (parallel [ 16:54:27 (set (subreg:QI (reg:SI 73) 0) 16:54:31 (plus:QI (const_int -3 [0xfffffffd]) 16:54:35 (subreg:QI (reg:SI 73) 0))) 16:54:39 (set (reg:QI 74) 16:54:39 ha...ha? 16:54:43 (plus:QI (const_int -3 [0xfffffffd]) 16:54:47 (reg:QI 74))) 16:54:59 (set (const_int -3 [0xfffffffd]) 16:55:03 (const_int 0 [0x0])) 16:55:07 ]) -1 (nil) 16:55:11 (nil)) 16:55:13 hahahahah 16:55:16 that's pretty funny indeed :P 16:55:18 oh boy that is amusing 16:55:24 haw haw haw 16:55:27 look closely at that and you'll see why I was amused 16:55:39 in particular, the bit near the bottom 16:55:39 gcc went all Forte on me... 16:55:39 I was programming moves as a double-transfer-add followed by a transfer-add 16:55:39 e.g. [->+>+<<]>[-<+>] 16:55:40 now imagine how that works on constants... 16:55:46 ah 16:55:48 setting a constant int. 16:55:57 that was totally not funny enough for the buildup 16:56:02 sorry 16:56:12 it was pretty funny given that it happened after an hour of compiling and a night of debugging 16:56:17 to get it to compile 16:56:33 and I was pretty relieved that it didn't segfault this time 16:56:43 * oklofok still didn't get it 16:56:46 so probably I thought it was a lot funnier than it actually was 16:57:10 oklofok: (set (const_int ... 16:57:15 It was trying to set an integer to something 16:57:17 like 3 = 4 16:57:31 oklofok: to do a=b in BF, you do {a=0;} {c=0;} {a+=b; c+=b; b=0;} {b+=c; c=0;} 16:57:37 (that's the BF code translated into C) 16:57:47 now consider what happens if b is a constant 16:57:49 right, right 16:57:52 I totally failed to consider that... 16:57:55 well i didn't know that was a compiler 16:57:59 ais523: it wasn't actually funny 16:58:00 :D 16:58:08 tusho: your smiley betrays you 16:58:10 18:52… × ais523 is still working on their Brainfuck -> C compiler <<< skipped this line 16:58:23 what's the × for? CTCP action? 16:58:34 and I got that backwards 16:58:37 ask nnscript, not me 16:58:39 it's a C -> Brainfuck compiler 16:58:42 which is a lot harder to do 16:58:46 yes 16:59:10 ais523: x to imitate * 16:59:12 presumably 16:59:18 why not just use *? 16:59:28 oh, nnscript, right, it does things differently for the sake of it 16:59:38 [16:59] [CTCP] Sending CTCP-PING request to oklofok. 16:59:38 [16:59] [CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from oklofok: 28 seconds. 16:59:47 still faking ping response times, I see 17:00:28 anyway, sorry 17:00:46 I'll paste what I've got so far if you're interested 17:00:54 better yet, I'll put it up on eso-std.org, as it's an entire directory 17:00:55 ais523: for aesthetics 17:01:02 maybe they thought x looks better 17:01:10 also 17:01:12 put it in your home dir 17:01:20 i'll link it from code.e-s.o 17:01:24 ok 17:02:42 ~/gcc-bf 17:03:42 what vcs 17:03:51 there isn't one there yet 17:03:57 I'm using c&p as the vcs at my end 17:04:01 k 17:04:02 linked 17:04:05 comments with old bits of code shoved down at the bottom, etc 17:05:22 . 17:07:04 ais523: well? 17:07:10 c.e.o/gcc-bf 17:07:19 ok, sounds good for the time being 17:07:29 it probably isn't worth trying to run yet 17:07:31 as it won't work 17:07:32 i was telling you that i had uploaded it :P 17:07:34 ah 17:07:38 http://code.eso-std.org/gcc-bf/ 17:07:38 er 17:07:39 linked it 17:07:40 it may be worth looking at 17:07:50 any gcc experts out there, tell me what I'm doing wrong 17:08:01 #gcc has gcc experts 17:08:02 probably 17:08:07 yes 17:08:15 By the way, how far is eso standard? 17:08:21 Slereah_: 0% 17:08:26 Is the site fully operational and anatomically correct? 17:08:28 but they'll ask what on earth I'm doing developing for a toy system that requires secondary reload on every single move apart from constant->register 17:08:31 false 17:08:50 ais523: and you'll tell them 17:08:51 Slereah_: the site exists but most of the bits of it that we need aren't written yet 17:08:58 "My business has used these machines since the 60s" 17:09:03 code.eso-std.org works reasonably well 17:09:05 though 17:09:06 What bits do we actually need? 17:09:07 and, the site exists but http://eso-std.org/ is non-operational atm 17:09:21 since at this very moment I don't really give a crap what people see when they go to there because uh people don't go there :D 17:12:20 * tusho gets an Evil Idea 17:12:41 more evil than making gcc support bf-unknown-none as a target machine? 17:12:48 (incidentally, that means unknown manufacturer, no OS) 17:12:56 ais523: no :P 17:13:11 well, no executable file format, which comes to much the same thing 17:13:23 I'm planning to write the assembler by hand as it'll be so different from a typical sane assembler 17:13:39 but, still a crazy idea 17:14:16 ok, tell me 17:14:22 ok :P 17:14:31 i'll do it in one big message 17:16:27 Firstly, it's like Smalltalk but not. Its default interface is an HTTP server that lets you explore things semantically. You can do things like import certain parts of another instance if their http servers are public, and like Smalltalk everything is persisted automatically and there aren't any files etc. Expressions are shown in their parsed form, and you can click on subforms and manipulate them etc (while still being able to type normally - JS is used to 17:16:31 hope that got through 17:16:36 I'm not sure how well it'll work but I'm gonna try. 17:16:54 it's cut off 17:16:57 after "JS is used to" 17:17:07 parse them as you go). Of course, you could add e.g. a telnet interface or something that loads files or whatever, but that's not as interesting because that's not the actual idea. 17:17:15 anyway, one interesting aspect 17:17:28 is that since it lets you edit the AST itself and therefore parses and manipulates on both the client and server 17:17:31 is that the parser will be first-class 17:17:35 so you can change the syntax using itself 17:17:47 (that is, it has a pre-parsed parser in itself, and also the parsed version) 17:17:58 (and it uses the pre-parsed parser to parse the new parser) 17:17:58 very Feather 17:18:07 so, parser version N always runs on parser version N-1 17:18:15 because otherwise you'd have to re-run it infinite times 17:18:17 actually CLC-INTERCAL does that too, and it actually exists 17:18:18 but, that's not too much of a bother 17:18:27 because you'll mostly be adding nice cosmetical changes 17:18:31 and its ok for the parser to be a bit ugly 17:18:33 a preparsed parser comes with the distribution to get things started 17:19:31 so, this'll be a graphical (due to how the ast is presented & edited), web-based (to start with, and also due to things like packages being loaded from URIs), image-based, self-modifying to a large degree language. 17:19:48 I still want an entirely client-side website 17:19:57 been done 17:20:02 which stores all data on the browsers of people visiting it 17:20:02 ewll 17:20:04 well 17:20:06 ok, not that 17:20:08 ais523: still 17:20:10 any omments on my idea? 17:20:14 and the website simply ceases to exist if nobody's visiting it at a particular moment 17:20:26 tusho: it sounds a lot like regular Smalltalk, it's a natural fit for it 17:21:19 yes, but with graphically-parsey-expressiony stuff, good web integration (is a web server by default, sharing your code is just making the http server public and then setting permissions for the anonymous user (so that they can't see your passwords, e.g.)) 17:21:25 and self-modifying parsing 17:21:39 (because a first-class parser is actually really useful for this for the parsey-expressiony stuff on both server and client side) 17:21:48 (it'll have to compile the bytecode to JS, of course. not too hard, I imagine) 17:22:23 think I'll call it chromosome, which is relevant in some way I can't put my finger on right now 17:22:57 and it lets me name things chromX 17:22:58 like cromHTTP 17:23:03 and for the UI (the chrome): 17:23:07 chromchrome 17:24:29 ais523: so does that appeal to your languagular tastes? 17:24:55 sort of, I probably wouldn't work on it though, too much like the side of Smalltalk I don't like 17:25:01 I just don't like monolithic systems, really 17:25:17 ais523: it is not monolithic, though 17:25:26 since it componentizes with URIs, you could even do 17:25:28 file:///... 17:25:36 to load modules from disk 17:25:54 I think I have an inherent suspicion of things that are inherently non-portable 17:25:58 they've just caught me out too often 17:26:03 but that is portable 17:26:15 the format for modules is part of the language itself 17:26:19 so if you choose a new implementation 17:26:23 ah, in that case that's ok 17:26:27 just use a file:/// to import the old instance 17:26:28 and voila 17:27:04 i don't think there's any inherent non-portability in it, then 17:27:07 but perhaps you can see some? 17:27:20 no, I was worried that moving instances around couldn't be done portably 17:27:32 yes, that'd certainly be standardized 17:27:57 hmm... 17:28:03 the default parser will have to include something like this 17:28:50 -!- tusho has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:29:10 -!- tusho has joined. 17:29:26 urg 17:29:27 anyway 17:29:37 it'd have to include something like this 17:29:55 -!- Tritonio_ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 17:30:03 "How are you today? " + "I hope you're good" 17:30:10 i.e. HTML embedded in to it, for the interface 17:30:10 ah 17:30:13 maybe a withHTML 17:30:23 withHTML[...] 17:30:34 of course, this pesky plaintext IRC is restricting me from showing how it'd ACTUALLY look :) 17:31:08 here, let me compose a little html ditty of ... something 17:33:40 -!- Sgeo has joined. 17:36:14 ais523: ok, here's a rough example 17:36:18 of the text expression: 17:36:29 (+ (sum [1,2]) (+ 1 2)) 17:36:35 (obviously the actual writing syntax will be sweeter) 17:36:42 http://hpaste.org/9921/0/plain (abusing HPaste's content-type fail FTW) 17:36:52 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:36:53 It might be that the (+ 1 2) there could be inlined to 1 + 2 17:36:57 tusho: I edit bf.md in lisp-mode 17:36:58 for legibility 17:36:59 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 17:37:24 still, I think it's a good example 17:39:09 ais523: does that look pretty legible to you? 17:39:15 in the real thing, you could click the + and change it 17:39:17 it looks interesting 17:39:19 to *, say 17:39:24 or you could click the sum [1, 2 ] 17:39:30 and change sum to product 17:39:36 or you could open sum [ 1, 2 ] as a new page 17:39:38 personally I think that most people will be on a hair trigger, because one tiny change could bring the whole thing down 17:39:46 for example, if that (+ 1 2) was inlined to 1 + 2 17:39:49 true become: false ftw! 17:39:49 you could expand it 17:39:53 and get it in the form it has there 17:39:56 ais523: ah well I won't have become 17:40:04 because it's almost certainly a code smell :P 17:40:05 that'll make it somewhat simpler 17:40:11 it'll be relatively simple 17:40:15 and also automatically revision controlled 17:40:34 ais523: oh, and of course, you could edit that as regular text too 17:40:36 that is 17:40:39 you could add a new line 17:40:42 and if you typed what produced that 17:40:44 it'd happen in realtim 17:40:45 e 17:40:52 I'm not sure what backspace would do at the end of it 17:40:54 I think it'd be two lines 17:41:01 so you'd backspace into that block of code 17:41:08 and then delete the 1 & 2 and then the + 17:41:10 and then the block itself 17:41:15 so it'd become (+ (sum [1,2])) 17:41:22 that's basically how paredit does it 17:41:32 ais523: oh, and you could e.g. 17:41:34 select the sum bit 17:41:39 and press Ctrl-E or whatever 17:41:46 and it'd show, to the side, what it evaluates to 17:42:09 and then that'd be a Real Object 17:42:15 that is, objects have an html representation 17:42:21 and you can click them to inspect them, perform messages on them 17:42:21 etc 17:42:38 that there would be the HTML representation of the AST class 17:43:33 i hope that isn't confusing for you 17:43:33 :D 17:45:27 sounds a bit like Seaside, but saner 17:45:34 and for an entire lang not just a website 17:46:36 yeah, making an actual site with it would be fun 17:46:41 you'd start another chromHTTP instance, presumably 17:46:46 and just send the objects to that 17:46:55 oh, and the problem with that code example I showed 17:46:59 is that it's functional 17:47:04 I can't think of a good way to do this with message sends 17:47:12 hmm 17:47:18 because, I mean 17:47:25 it'd just turn out looking like a linear text representation 17:47:30 because the nesting is minimal 17:51:03 ais523: any ideas re: that? 17:51:08 I mean i could just represent it as I do now 17:51:09 :\ 17:51:15 although I _can't_ fit it in with the smalltalk message syntax 17:51:34 tusho: maybe messages isn't the way to go, then 17:52:13 ais523: but it fits in with the smalltalky "live environment" model 17:52:35 yes, maybe it's following the same model as Smalltalk but not the same implementation of it? 17:52:48 true 17:52:52 but smalltalk is VERY based on messages 17:53:24 this is your chance to do something very different, then 18:22:54 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 18:30:27 -!- kar8nga has joined. 18:40:01 -!- Hiato has joined. 18:41:36 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | 86.4 ks in a day.. 18:47:42 ais523: true :) 18:47:47 ok, maybe messages 18:47:49 but reverse ones 18:47:52 however 18:47:55 I prefer multi dispatch 18:47:55 however 18:48:00 that doesn't lend well to a "big system" thing 18:48:04 only isolated programs 18:55:46 -!- ais523 has quit ("$/='!';eval join'',@{{'+','$t[$p]++;','-','$t[$p]--;','<','$p--;','>','$p++;','[','while($t[$p]){',']','}',',','$t[$p]=ord ge). 19:27:48 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 19:51:31 rar! 19:52:38 I AM WIN HEAR ME RAR 19:52:56 ::slereahpounce:: 19:55:57 -!- Hiato has joined. 19:58:50 ::slereahpounce:: 19:59:14 ::slereahbounce:: 19:59:43 woo! orgy! :D 20:00:18 ::cuddles slereah:: 20:00:21 ::cuddles dogface:: 20:00:25 ::cuddles deewiant:: 20:00:37 * Deewiant escapes 20:00:45 D: 20:00:51 ::CUDDLES HARDER:: 20:01:08 * Deewiant is gone 20:01:13 * dogface submits 20:01:24 * dogface is now compact 20:01:26 :D 20:01:27 good 20:01:33 now tell me about english syntax 20:01:45 * dogface is now pint-sized 20:01:54 ::drinks a pint of dogface:: 20:02:02 * dogface is now in solution 20:02:19 You hear a muffled squeak originating from your stomach. 20:02:23 well atleast you're not in precipitate :( 20:03:08 * dogface begins circulating in psygnisfive's blood stream 20:06:24 ::all warm and fuzzeh:: 20:07:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWkS2PkgmsE&feature=related 20:08:52 You hear a muffled squeak originating from your stomach 20:08:58 vore? in MY #esoteric? 20:09:06 (It's more likely blah blah etc.) 20:09:20 I'm in solution, so it's not that bad. 20:09:37 I mean, you hear a muffled squeak originating from psygnisfive's blood stream. 20:10:00 Considering that vorephilia is a fetish, I imagine it's not that bad for a lot of people. 20:12:11 -!- olsner has joined. 20:24:20 -!- Corun has joined. 20:35:32 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 20:39:48 -!- LinuS has joined. 20:49:59 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:50:18 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 20:53:11 -!- Linus` has quit (Connection reset by peer). 20:57:27 -!- Judofyr has joined. 21:06:38 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 21:10:48 -!- kar8nga has left (?). 21:42:07 -!- Linus` has joined. 21:42:20 -6+ 21:42:40 oklofok: coolness got to 350000 but not in an hour 21:47:24 -!- LinuS has quit (Connection reset by peer). 21:48:06 oklofok :D 22:07:37 -!- LinuS has joined. 22:08:28 -6+ looks like something you'd find in a diff file. 22:13:44 -!- Linus` has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:28:16 -!- Linus` has joined. 22:35:54 -!- LinuS has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:54:37 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 22:55:06 -!- Corun has joined. 22:56:01 -!- Corun has quit (Client Quit). 23:17:06 -!- RedDak has joined. 23:28:41 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 23:35:15 -!- Judofyr has quit. 23:37:43 -!- RedDak has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:43:15 -!- Linus` has quit (Connection timed out). 23:54:32 guys guys buys guys guys 23:54:38 -!- tusho has quit. 23:54:45 we should make a purely constraint based language 23:54:47 :D 23:55:18 yeah and we could call it CONSTIPATOR 2009 23:56:46 :P 23:56:55 ill tell you more when i get back from dinner 23:57:37 i'll be trying to sleep when you return. 23:57:59 ok. well in my absence, tell me (in pm) more about english syntax. :p