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Well, go on ... start ruing! 02:03:03 -!- Sgeo has joined. 02:03:48 "It is our duty to inform you that as of 7:35:05am UTC on September 10, 2008, the Earth has been destroyed." http://qntm.org/?board 02:14:27 :) 02:14:31 Well aware. 02:14:39 I love Sam Hughes. :D 02:17:15 Same here 02:31:35 -!- ihope has joined. 02:36:56 hopeless 02:37:00 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 02:37:06 fiveless 02:37:20 fivefull! 02:40:36 fivefullnesslessly 02:47:07 -!- Sgeo has quit (Remote closed the connection). 02:57:34 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 02:59:15 -!- Corun has joined. 03:01:36 -!- Corun has quit (Client Quit). 03:10:13 -!- ihope has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:20:52 -!- GregorR has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:21:06 -!- GregorR has joined. 03:45:37 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ok. 03:57:44 -!- adu has joined. 04:23:16 -!- moozilla_ has joined. 04:31:21 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:55:56 oklo! 05:10:14 -!- moozilla_ has quit ("- nbs-irc 2.37 - www.nbs-irc.net -"). 05:10:30 -!- moozilla has joined. 05:10:56 -!- Sgeo has joined. 06:13:34 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 06:17:23 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 06:18:00 -!- oklobol has joined. 06:41:56 real a = 1.352; real i = 0.0177; while(i < a) { i += differential; } 06:49:48 +++>+++++<[-->-<]>>+<[->++<]>: 06:52:30 +++>+++++< {*3 5} [-->-<] {*0 3.5} >>+< {0 *3.5 1} [->++<] {0 *0 8} >: {0 0 *8 => 8} 06:53:38 KHAN! 06:55:26 khan indeed 06:55:29 i wanna implement that 07:36:20 khan? 07:37:00 it's an indian term for irc channel 07:37:21 pikhq realized this is a channel, and, you know, he's indian 07:37:36 No... 07:37:45 no?!? 07:37:47 But I am related to the only white man to go on the trail of tears. 07:37:48 :p 07:37:52 -!- oklobol has changed nick to oklopol. 07:43:06 -!- adu has quit. 07:49:20 mirc owns, if i send messages with /msg and i have a channel window open, the message becomes part of that channel's log 07:49:38 logged passwords ftw 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:21:09 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 08:21:45 -!- kar8nga has joined. 08:40:02 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 08:46:39 -!- kar8nga has left (?). 09:15:01 -!- LinuS has joined. 09:15:14 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 09:22:44 -!- fizzie has joined. 09:24:25 -!- oklobol has joined. 09:45:37 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | SunOS was the first OS I ran it on. 09:51:46 -!- puzzlet has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 09:52:52 -!- puzzlet has joined. 10:47:53 -!- Slereah has joined. 10:57:35 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 10:59:28 -!- jix has joined. 11:01:37 -!- slereah has joined. 11:06:03 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("Jesus loves you"). 11:18:40 -!- oerjan has joined. 11:59:02 -!- tusho has joined. 12:04:10 hey guyz StoryGen v2 beta test <3 http://91.105.98.27:4567/ 12:04:11 do it 12:08:49 * oerjan thinks the fragments are a little too short. 12:09:36 As in, I couldn't get my initial sentence in. 12:10:56 -!- jix has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 12:15:55 HAPPY 9/11 12:16:34 oerjan: that is intentional 12:16:41 you are meant to leave sentences unfinished 12:19:47 you are not required to be consistent with your own previous fragments, i hope :D 12:20:50 no 12:20:51 :P 12:21:01 oerjan: in fact, it works better when more people do it 12:21:05 because otherwise you can easily get continuity 12:21:08 Slereah: are you doing it? 12:21:09 if not, do it 12:21:11 http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1221130716923.jpg 12:21:13 :D 12:21:15 In a non-innuendo wau7 12:21:16 *way 12:21:23 i'm doing my best to avoid it 12:21:40 i'm not gonna do the next one, lets' see if anyone else is doing them 12:22:39 yo Slereah 12:22:45 http://91.105.98.27:4567/ 12:22:49 >:| 12:22:58 slereah: my question is whether the amish will out-breed the rest of them 12:23:25 I doubt it, since the world will end :o 12:23:41 (although there is a similar norwegian sect with the breeding if not the low-tech) 12:24:56 I'm all for breeding 12:25:02 At least the act that leads to it 12:25:04 -!- oklobol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 12:25:10 Also, school tiem 12:26:30 oerjan 12:26:33 you need to tell all your friends. 12:26:36 oh wait you're a mathematician 12:26:39 you don't have any 12:26:41 lol i maed joek 12:26:44 true, true 12:28:05 hmmmmmm 12:28:09 this is a hard one. 12:28:35 oh well 12:28:37 i continued it 12:29:07 that was too tempting 12:29:29 even if disruptive 12:53:27 oerjan, hm a mathematician? 12:53:55 they say so 12:54:13 AnMaster: a published mathematician 12:54:13 :p 12:54:29 where do you think he gets his terrible puns? 12:54:38 he figures their punniness with mathematics. 12:55:11 what puns? 12:55:38 AnMaster: you don't know oerjan's terrible puns? 12:55:39 gtfo! 12:56:03 well I use irc logs for a reason 12:56:10 I don't have a good memory for such stuff 12:56:33 optbot is named after oerjan's terrible puns. 12:56:34 tusho: K={A=_;X=8;´{B=_;A}}; 12:56:42 you don't have a puny memory, then. 12:56:56 er wait 12:58:57 hm I suspect a pun there, though I'm unable to see what it is 12:58:59 or if it is 13:00:20 it's a very puny one 13:00:58 oerjan: i thought it was quite punny 13:01:45 whatever, bbl 13:02:07 finns are a lot funnier than swedes. 13:02:24 well oerjan is neither 13:02:37 norway is actually sweden 13:02:41 (which is actually finland) 13:03:22 well since they are all of the type country *, they could be aliased without causing undefined behaviour ;P 13:03:26 which is actually iceland 13:03:33 iceland is green 13:03:38 and the LHC saps particles from germany 13:03:43 and greenland is icy 13:03:51 AnMaster: countries are not pointers to countries. 13:03:58 iceland isn't a sign saying, "Iceland is over here ->" 13:04:57 tusho, in that case they can't alias each other 13:05:15 AnMaster: of course not, if you use such a stupid language as c 13:05:20 i would have thought it sapped particles from france and switzerland, since that's where it is 13:05:20 but as we all know, the universe is written in lisp 13:05:27 oerjan: no, germany 13:06:07 well, it is a multinational project 13:06:27 germany just killed jews 13:06:29 no lhc for them 13:06:31 so it just saps their praticles 13:06:35 germany will just disappear, not the universe 13:07:20 it seems to be sapping brain cells from the UK, anyhow 13:07:32 oerjan: in what way? 13:07:38 i am the wisest thinker 13:07:38 above god 13:07:44 it's in the 4 days of harmonious nature rotation 13:07:55 well, per brain cell that may be true 13:08:04 your brain cells are educated stupid 13:08:11 true, true 13:09:40 i have this urge to mention that the Vatican State has a density of 2 popes per square kilometer 13:09:54 darwin si the pope 13:09:56 darwinpope 13:09:59 also eveyrone is darwin 13:10:01 and 1=10 13:10:07 therefore 1darwin=10darwin=100darwin=etc 13:10:09 but only in africa 13:10:13 so, the universe is made out of darwin 13:10:16 but the pope is anti-darwin 13:10:20 and thus the pope is actually darwin 13:10:22 in denial 13:10:26 in africa. 13:10:43 but 13:10:47 darwin, as a pope, cannot deny he is darwin 13:10:48 so 13:10:50 he 13:10:52 is a paradox 13:10:54 and the universe 13:10:56 makes no sense 13:10:58 aren't you a bit young to be on whatever you're on right now? >_< 13:11:01 out of darwinpapalinfallability 13:11:07 thus, we must conclude 13:11:08 that 13:11:20 even though darwin had no moustache infallability when he wrote about natural selection 13:11:22 he was a pope 13:11:26 and therefore had papal infallability 13:11:27 and thus 13:11:28 we must all 13:11:29 hail 13:11:30 darwin 13:11:31 and 13:11:31 the 13:11:32 darwinpope. 13:11:41 oerjan: i am actually 471 years old 13:12:04 but the infallibility was only declared some time in the 19th century, possibly after darwin made his theories 13:12:15 darwin is retroactive 13:12:26 his universe runs on feather 13:13:08 -!- jix has joined. 13:13:23 1870 it was 13:13:32 it was -4 BE 13:13:38 before electricity 13:13:45 electricity was invented in 2BE 13:14:34 also 13:14:35 i am on darwin 13:14:37 he died in 1882 13:14:39 inhaling his holy fumes 13:14:48 so he was only infallible for 12 years at most 13:14:54 no 13:14:59 yes 13:14:59 -!- puzzlet has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:15:00 he was infallable for 46 years and 5 mellenia 13:15:03 -!- puzzlet has joined. 13:15:03 fff 13:15:04 dg 13:15:14 i am declaring a Great Schism 13:15:37 i am declaring a great schemeism 13:15:40 ((((((((((((((((((( 13:15:41 ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] 13:15:44 unbalanced1 13:15:48 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa 13:16:29 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 13:18:12 i suggest a compromise: maybe it is his holy fumes that are infallible 13:21:06 no 13:21:23 then there can only be holy war 13:21:37 we must choose symbols 13:22:26 i choose the holy fumes as my symbol 13:29:24 -!- sebbu has quit ("@+"). 13:43:31 i choose darwin 13:43:37 say, how does c handle inlined recursive functions 13:44:54 is inlining part of the standard? 13:45:13 dunno 13:47:30 ah in C99 according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inline_function 13:48:06 welp time to test 13:48:18 "Many compilers can also inline expand some recursive functions; recursive macros are typically illegal. 13:48:37 Huh. 13:49:39 oerjan: It just ignores my inline. 13:49:40 (gcc) 13:50:21 oerjan: even though it compiled inline void forever(void) { forever(); } into a jmp... 13:50:25 it WOULD be able to inline it then 13:52:34 the latter is tail recursive, that might help 13:53:16 or are you saying it doesn't 13:54:03 http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.1.1/gcc/Inline.html 13:54:17 "Using -Winline will warn when a function marked inline could not be substituted, and will give the reason for the failure." 13:57:58 "GCC does not inline any functions when not optimizing unless you specify the `always_inline' attribute for the function" 13:58:33 ah . 14:05:57 Once upon a time there was an esoteric magician who spoke incomprehensibly. He wanted to make a magical language that was even worse. He called it... the Monstrous Money-Devourer ... of Death. And then he jumped into the big black lake of t-shirts. Cautiously approaching the washing machine, Jibbedybob appeared. Bob was there too. Jibbedybob was Bob's friend and Jibbedy was Jibbedybob's friend, They raped each other daily. Yum. It was delicious, like cake. T 14:07:14 i guess it doesn't count as innuendo if it's super explicit 14:07:27 yeah 14:07:30 http://91.105.98.27:4567/ new storii 14:10:15 what the? something went wrong 14:11:16 maybe it's just the display that is broken 14:12:21 (my history clearly shows that i did _not_ duplicate fie when writing) 14:13:49 oh weird, it's a browser error 14:15:37 -!- Linus` has joined. 14:26:08 -!- LinuS has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 14:30:44 -!- kar8nga has joined. 15:01:18 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:09:52 All Mister Jenkins could think was "How I like turnips, and the moving messages. In fact, when they moved they ploughed over the field like giant worms of doom ... sexy ones exploded in rage at the very sight of the hideous evil Mrr is a race of clones. goths too. like OO neckties and a thousand baloons, hai - who is a person - Niklas was his lovemaker. is a penis "sniper whore" JK I don't think so, sir. 15:10:12 the crap 15:10:13 :D 15:15:35 -!- oerjan has quit ("-> Bus"). 15:16:27 "There are two ways to run efunge." or "There are two ways of running efunge." 15:16:30 which is best tusho ? 15:16:44 "You can run efunge in two ways:" 15:16:49 :P 15:19:04 of those, the latter 15:23:52 is ' called "single-quote" or "single quote" 15:24:38 Deewiant, anyway I got a command line wrapper kind of working now, not well tested 15:25:44 the latter 15:26:13 or just 'apostrophe' :-) 15:26:37 "Using 'efunge:start("path/to/befunge/program.bf").' (without the single quotes)" 15:26:49 and actually, "quote" is informal if you want to be strict about it :-) 15:26:49 since it have to be double quotes in the inner bit 15:27:06 Deewiant, well the issue is I need double quotes which should stay 15:27:28 I usually just assume the reader has half a brain 15:27:45 ah probably true in the case of a funge interpreter 15:27:52 but yeah, certainly 15:28:09 Deewiant, however if i didn't use quotes most reads not familiar with erlang would miss the dot at the end 15:28:12 which is *needed* 15:28:27 won't work without it 15:28:44 I'd say something about the dot and not the quotes, then :-) 15:30:18 Deewiant, does the mycology page only list funge-98 interpreters? 15:30:23 yes 15:30:26 since mycology can test funge-93 too 15:30:38 I know, but that wasn't really the point 15:30:44 hm ok 15:30:52 and most funge-93 interpreters get everything correct anyway 15:31:11 things that I think of that might vary are "# <" and division by zero 15:31:42 Deewiant, well I don't ask the user there, I do like 98, since I plan to change efunge into 98/108 at some point 15:32:10 Deewiant, and what do you mean with # < 15:32:16 what is there to get wrong there? 15:32:17 does it hit the < or not 15:32:25 it hits the < yes 15:32:32 in many funge-98 interps it doesn't 15:32:42 or many and many... at least two :-P 15:32:44 well Pressy thinks it does 15:32:50 yes, of course 15:33:18 anyway befunge would work without #, since you can just use a space in the hole 15:33:36 question: how many instructions can you reduce Funge-98 too while still being turing complete? 15:33:51 the funge-93 set is turing complete 15:33:55 I'd start with befunge-93 + infinite space then work down from there 15:34:03 ` can be removed 15:34:09 + can be removed 15:34:12 #~&,. could be removed 15:34:24 not sure about # actually 15:34:30 yes I think so: 15:34:33 in befunge, I guess it could be 15:34:38 in unefunge not 15:35:08 ah not in unefunge no 15:35:41 in befunge, which I talked about, it is easy to remove #, you just use a space at the crossing 15:35:47 and readjust lines as needed 15:35:57 #v_ 15:36:14 my most common use of # :-P 15:36:22 > v 15:36:22 ^v_ 15:36:28 not easy to use 15:36:30 but should work 15:36:31 yep, or | 15:37:01 well, what about : \ and $? 15:37:12 I think : could be remove, replace with a p and two g 15:37:12 AND WHAT ABOUT NINE ELEVEN 15:37:24 \, not sure 15:37:27 I think it would be more interesting to remove p and g :-) 15:37:28 $, well not sure either 15:37:36 Deewiant, then it wouldn't be funge really 15:37:46 why not :-P 15:38:01 isn't the whole point being self modifying 15:38:13 not to me 15:38:17 without that befunge93 would be easy to compile too 15:38:38 you wanted the smallest instruction set 15:38:43 well yes 15:38:44 hm 15:38:48 I'd say, replace p and g with y 15:38:52 ? could be removed 15:38:56 Deewiant, y from 98? 15:39:04 no, y from 93 15:39:07 of course from 98 :-P 15:39:19 you could remove * and / 15:39:34 but you need to keep either - or + 15:39:35 yes, all you need is - 15:39:36 - I think 15:39:42 - is better 15:39:45 or you can't do negative numbers indeed 15:40:09 you could drop 2-9, I think you need 0 and 1 still 15:40:18 no, just 1 15:40:21 11- is 0 15:40:24 ah true 15:40:53 what have we still got... 1-y\$ 15:41:00 _1-^> > err \ and $ too? 15:41:08 _ of course 15:41:13 I don't know 15:41:21 \, probably not 15:41:26 if we have y we don't need \ 15:41:26 $, maybe 15:41:35 yeah, I guess so 15:41:42 Deewiant, couldn't you just do some throwaway calculation? 15:41:42 also, instead of > or even just one of [] might be enough 15:41:55 hm 15:42:00 yes 15:42:07 not sure if one is enough 15:42:09 AnMaster: can't empty the stack ever with any of those, or? 15:42:16 ah true 15:42:19 so you need $ yes 15:42:31 not sure if that's exactly necessary though 15:42:53 well, we are down at _1-[]y$ now 15:43:15 and spaces, I guess 15:43:18 yep 15:43:20 spaces too 15:43:55 well I never considered befunge a turing tarpit, but this reduction certainly is one 15:44:09 heh 15:44:23 Deewiant, are both [ and ] needed or? 15:44:30 I don't think so 15:44:31 I'm unable to figure that out 15:44:48 well ok, I guess you could simulate a [ using several ] 15:45:01 yep 15:45:38 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | *an. 15:45:45 Deewiant, no, not if you want to end up in the same column 15:46:01 just rearrange the code so that you don't want to 15:46:21 >[ 15:46:23 would mean: 15:46:28 ] ^ 15:46:28 >] 15:46:28 ] ] 15:46:34 in all honesty I'm not sure we need all of _[], just w should be enough 15:46:35 using > to show where code enters 15:46:51 1-wy$ should be enough 15:46:57 hm... 15:47:09 yes pushing two things to decide turn direction 15:47:12 yes would work 15:47:24 and you get 'if' functionality for free 15:47:33 yes 15:47:50 now what to call this 15:47:59 befuck or malfunge? 15:48:00 ;) 15:48:06 tarfunge 15:48:10 heh ok 15:48:16 tarbefunge in fact 15:48:22 it wouldn't work in unefunge 15:48:31 you need # there at least 15:48:46 for unefunge, 1-_y$; 15:48:47 I suspect you may also need x, but I can't prove that 15:48:54 -!- sebbu has joined. 15:48:55 Deewiant, hm.... 15:48:57 isn't just ; enough 15:49:01 not sure 15:49:05 I'm no unefunge expert 15:49:09 really never interested me 15:49:19 never really* 15:49:27 but yeah, alternately, 1-_y$x 15:49:30 x can do what # does 15:49:44 just much more painfully 15:49:56 well x can do a lot more too 15:50:09 like jump based on address on stack, not only fixed jump 15:50:20 yep 15:50:48 Deewiant, I suggest modifying y to be a pure pick instruction in such a case, since the other bits are hardly useful 15:50:55 in tarfunge 15:51:10 well of course if we're going to start modifying stuff 15:51:21 well ok lets keep it then 15:51:23 but if we do that we should be able to get by with even less instructions 15:51:37 Deewiant, sure, one instruction is enough iirc? 15:51:40 or? 15:51:44 dunno 15:51:52 probably yes 15:52:05 since we can define an infinite number of behaviours for it :-P 15:52:06 http://esolangs.org/wiki/OISC 15:52:11 "if x is in an odd-numbered column then..." 15:52:44 "subtract and branch unless positive" in OISC, said to be turing complete... 15:53:08 I wonder if anything can compile to that instruction 15:53:20 could then translate it to asm and see how fast stuff runs ;-) 15:53:38 eh? 15:53:49 compile C to that, for instance 15:53:49 well I bet x86 got something close ;) 15:54:22 http://eigenratios.blogspot.com/2006/09/mark-ii-oisc-self-interpreter.html 15:54:24 huh 15:54:51 Deewiant, anyway I don't think you can compile C easily, would be restricted, since C got stuff like IO and so 15:55:15 true 15:55:24 anyhoo, food -> 15:55:30 One could do a standalone implementation. 16:09:29 -!- kar8nga has left (?). 16:18:19 -!- tusho_ has joined. 16:22:46 -!- tusho_ has quit (Remote closed the connection). 16:25:14 -!- tusho_ has joined. 16:25:34 -!- tusho has quit (Nick collision from services.). 16:25:39 -!- tusho_ has changed nick to tusho. 16:25:39 -!- tusho has changed nick to tusho_. 16:25:44 ???????????? 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