00:00:59 body { font-size:82%; } 00:00:59 what percent is best for acheiving 13px? 00:01:00 maybe... 00:01:01 13px! 00:01:42 13px isn't a percentage. 00:01:44 how many feet in a kilogram? 00:02:18 oerjan : Use normalised natural units. 00:02:24 and who tossed all those rape seeds around here? 00:02:32 Augur? 00:02:58 i don't see him in the channel 00:03:18 oerjan: everybody who helped write that story 00:03:18 duh 00:03:54 i refuse to use anything but 100% virgin oil, so there! 00:04:09 virgin rape oil? 00:04:12 On my naked body? 00:04:21 sometimes you need oil to rape a virgin 00:04:22 if it's rape, it's not virgin you fool 00:04:25 virgin rape oil sounds awesome 00:04:29 oerjan: no, it's oil to use for rape 00:04:31 made out of virgins 00:04:47 i prefer baby oil for that 00:04:56 arousing 00:05:01 you need superior lubrication when raping a virgin 00:05:01 Used on babies? 00:05:12 Especially a baby. 00:05:19 They're tight as hell! 00:05:19 no 00:05:20 made of babies 00:05:21 indeed. 00:05:28 made of babies, for babies! 00:05:47 this is not #hot, ok 00:05:55 please direct further hotness to #hot 00:06:00 !optbot 00:06:01 lament: *gonna do 00:06:06 optbot! 00:06:07 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | pbos[-i] ? :S. 00:06:12 optbot! 00:06:13 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | {(Nil)[(iter),]}. 00:06:13 There is no one in #hot 00:06:16 optbot! 00:06:17 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | 1093 chars :/. 00:06:19 Where will I discuss infant rape? 00:06:22 :/ 00:06:25 optbot, rape 00:06:26 Slereah_: doesn't befunge have a stackie? 00:06:30 ooooh 00:06:33 Sounds sexy 00:06:37 Does it? 00:07:35 come let me show you my big stack 00:07:52 * Slereah_ pops oerjan's stack 00:08:35 don't push your luck 00:08:55 Aw. 00:09:19 Want me to bully your automaton around, wink wink? 00:09:38 the entire backlog of #esoteric is just 1093 chars 00:09:58 We don't talk much round these parts. 00:10:14 Hell, it holds on a floppy disk! 00:10:31 tusho@rutian:~/optbot$ du -h 00:10:31 44M . 00:10:32 tusho: Or if you took four arguments and wanted to return a bit-array of the first two or-ed together with the second two, you could do something like: 00:10:33 44mb of logs 00:10:34 i'd say it holds on a sumerian clay tablet 00:10:37 Wait, I'm confusing kB with MB 00:10:37 Although it still holds 00:11:00 I dunno, you might need a few 00:11:06 Unless it's a big tablet 00:11:22 Slereah_: you'd need around 44 floppies 00:11:42 That's a lot of floppy dicks 00:11:54 42 i say 00:13:12 oerjan: ok, true 00:13:42 it's the answer! 00:13:51 oerjan: around 31, actually 00:13:55 just calculated 00:14:07 blasphemy! 00:30:10 i assume you guys see no flaws in any of the official magic plane theory...not even the pentagon, the flight that aws shot down, the fireproof passports surviving the collapse, the teleporting hijackers that are STILL ALIVE, the connections between the bushes and the bin ladens, or who built the buildings or who owned the buildings and got insurance, or how wtc7 was bomb proof, or who did the put options on the airlines...selective memories 00:30:13 he never gives up 00:30:37 Wat 00:30:43 Where is that? 00:30:46 #defocus 00:38:08 So tusho 00:38:08 What is that shit 00:38:17 I don't know. 00:38:18 And why do people already threatens me with k-lining. 00:39:04 Meanwhile, I quoted nicho some #defocus policy to politely inform him that he was wrong on a certain issue, and got "Fuck off and die." 00:39:16 His replies thereafter (in response to "Uh? What did I do?") escalated to, and I quote, 00:39:23 "JUST GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME, YOU STALKING HALF WIT PRICK!" 00:39:31 Oh IRC, what mental disabilities don't you have? 00:40:08 -!- tusho has quit (Client Quit). 00:42:38 Fuck that shit 00:42:45 It's boring and everyone bitch. 01:27:49 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 01:39:04 -!- pikhq has joined. 01:42:49 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 01:45:46 Is there some brainfuck interpreter that outputs graphics. 01:45:47 ? 02:44:18 $your_favorite_brainfuck_interpreter | pnmtopng > output.png 03:05:18 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 03:08:03 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 03:14:36 -!- Sgeo has quit (Connection timed out). 03:17:09 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 03:45:38 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Whynot?. 04:06:49 optbot! 04:06:49 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Since I'm on DVD 36. 04:37:34 optbot! 04:37:35 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | i mean if i did !glass {A}{S}{M[m]}, my interpretor should no longer have them?. 04:37:45 optbot ! 04:37:46 CO2Games: that was more of a "why the fuck did he scream" question mark 04:37:55 optbot! 04:37:55 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | except other symbols point to True would still be pointing to True.. 04:38:07 optbot! 04:38:08 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | aaaaah :P. 04:38:26 Heh there 05:05:56 * GregorR watches software compile across multiple platforms simultaneously >8-D 05:06:04 With the amazoing power of Qemu. 07:36:02 * pikhq waves 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 09:28:57 'lo 09:29:05 woah crap two massive gaps 09:45:38 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Never deal in upside-down A?. 10:37:23 -!- oklobol has joined. 10:51:32 morning 10:57:54 örn. 11:31:54 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("Jesus loves you"). 11:40:58 -!- oklopol has joined. 11:40:58 -!- oklobol has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 12:20:32 -!- tusho has joined. 13:08:16 -!- Corun has joined. 13:11:17 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 13:23:56 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:41:32 -!- Slereah has joined. 13:41:33 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 13:53:40 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 14:26:50 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 14:50:20 AnMaster: how's that cfunge release doing 15:13:54 Deewiant: hasn't been voted in by the Cfunge Development Committee yet 15:14:11 it has a critical unoptimized part in the ROMA fingerprint, apparently 15:16:59 meh, I'll just use the latest bzr 15:17:05 which is probably what the release would be anyway 15:18:16 Deewiant: no, the bzr is unsupported by the Cfunge Community 15:18:18 I love the way the changelog is full of stuff like "changed x (mycology was wrong)" 15:18:22 not even by phone support 15:26:32 AnMaster: cfunge gives compile warnings, http://rafb.net/p/z3u0EI65.html 15:26:57 But can it give me love? 15:27:30 nah, it's too quick 15:29:01 Deewiant: oh no! removing those warnings will slow it down by 1ms?! 15:29:06 what will the Committee do? 15:30:19 I'll be one millisecond late for lunch >:| 15:40:12 -!- puzzlet_ has joined. 15:40:13 -!- puzzlet has quit (Remote closed the connection). 15:45:38 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | maybe they will add ads in 2006? ;). 15:58:50 -!- oklobol has joined. 16:00:23 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 16:18:10 Deewiant, sorry had computer problems today 16:18:21 one computer emitted a high whining noise 16:18:33 turned out to be harddrive and not a fan 16:18:52 Deewiant, GCC version? 16:18:59 in the paste... 16:19:15 Deewiant, hrrm, and CFLAGS? 16:19:24 none 16:19:29 that I know of at least 16:19:42 the ones in genx.c are known and harmless 16:19:47 as well as not in code I wrote 16:20:06 the other ones seem to be saying that that gcc version does not support inlining some stuff 16:20:09 so also harmless 16:20:25 as for "cannot optimise possibly infinite loops" it is again GCC saying it can't do something, but harmless 16:20:41 I realize it's harmless, I just figured you might want to know about them 16:21:33 Deewiant, well gcc 4.1.2 and gcc 4.3.2 don't give those. 4.1.2 doesn't know about the missing inline type, and in 4.3.x it isn't missing any more 16:21:58 as for infinite loop, 4.3.x doesn't mention that, so I guess detection algorithm may have changed 16:22:22 Deewiant, however now that I found the broken part in that computer I plan to make a release 16:23:02 is it identical to the latest Bzr barring the version number? 16:23:09 food -> 16:24:02 Deewiant, yes it is 16:24:09 oh and a comment too 16:24:12 but yeah 16:24:43 identical to r412 (anmaster AT envbot.org-20080913152316-yrabw4idfpkq0m7g) 16:25:10 Deewiant, 412 fixed FING to new spec iirc 16:26:22 release will be 0.3.2 16:29:12 currently test building in various configurations 16:32:27 -!- Ilari has joined. 16:40:23 released 16:46:23 Deewiant, ^ 17:05:57 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:06:20 -!- Slereah has joined. 18:10:16 * AnMaster pokes tusho 18:41:46 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 18:58:33 Deewiant, how does the updating go? 18:59:00 I found a bug in my build tool and have been fixing that for the past two hours or so 18:59:27 Deewiant, ouch, your page generator build tool or? 18:59:59 basically all that's left in the update is to see that the table is generated correctly, write some stuff about new (and some old) interpreters and a changelog 19:00:06 AnMaster: no, my generic make-replacement 19:01:09 Deewiant, really? 19:01:16 yes, really :-P 19:01:26 oh so it wasn't sarcasm? 19:01:32 no, it wasn't 19:01:52 in that case: 1) what is it called 2) link? 19:02:02 not released 19:02:33 Deewiant, how is it better than make? 19:04:08 mostly, it's portable (there are 100 different make formats and many rely on Posix-only shell features and such) and more powerful (or at least, more power for a given amount of complexity) 19:04:40 Deewiant, why not release it 19:05:04 I should take a weekend off at some point to polish it up a bit to a usable state and then release it 19:05:17 documentation is somewhat sparse and it has bugs like the one I just found :-P 19:05:27 Good not-morning. 19:05:34 example of syntax? 19:05:44 pikhq, good early evening 19:05:45 it's a Haskell library 19:06:36 hm, does it work for any language or does it have dependency extracting support for a few languages 19:06:52 it's like make, no language-specific support 19:07:04 hm ok 19:08:33 if you want to look I can give you the file I use for building my homepage 19:08:40 but since it's Haskell you might not want to :-P 19:09:04 Deewiant, so the syntax of these make files are haskellish? 19:09:17 not "haskellish", they are Haskell code. 19:09:27 iki.fi/deewiant/Adjutant.hs 19:09:29 ah ok 19:09:41 Adjutant? 19:10:07 no idea if that means the same in Finnish as in Swedish 19:10:08 yeah, it's a bit of a pun on the tool's name which is Coadjute :-) 19:10:15 it's english 19:10:19 and probably means the same in swedish 19:10:31 Coadjute? 19:10:37 and it fits in 8.3 which is why I chose it :-P 19:10:46 who cares about 8.3 these days? 19:10:54 I try to 19:10:58 weird 19:11:12 AnMaster: It's early afternoon here, but anyways... 19:11:23 Good indeterminate time of the day to you, as well. 19:11:40 -!- CO2Games has quit ("And I invented doors, no joke!"). 19:12:48 heh 19:43:35 Deewiant, tell me when it is updated 19:43:43 I plan to 19:44:20 hope it happens before 23:00 CEST 19:44:33 one can always hope 19:45:37 Deewiant, the link to the task at http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/misc-projects.html is dead 19:46:19 meh, they don't keep old exercises :-/ 19:54:02 Deewiant: http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/Adjutant.hs <- I am pretty sure this would be one page of code with scons 19:54:29 tusho: it was well over 3 19:54:33 which was my main motivation for it 19:55:06 plus, it took waaay too long to run until I found an obscure hack to prevent SCons from scanning the path for executables every time it's run 19:58:58 it scans them for executables without caching? 19:59:05 evidently 19:59:13 in any case, doing it even once annoyed me a lot 19:59:14 heck even cmake caches 19:59:17 because I don't need any of them 19:59:22 oh it did build a database 19:59:28 eh a database? why? 19:59:34 much bigger than Coadjute's (which isn't even compressed) 19:59:46 for MD5/other hashes, I think 19:59:47 database of the binaries? 19:59:50 it was binary 19:59:53 so I don't know 19:59:55 hm 20:00:00 Coadjute's is plaintext and much smaller 20:00:15 why would it need a database? 20:00:19 make doesn't use any database 20:00:23 for the MD5 hashes 20:00:25 make uses timestamps 20:00:29 yes and? 20:00:32 IMO that is sane 20:00:42 time stamps change when you edit files 20:00:51 they also change when you don't make changes 20:01:02 like? 20:01:09 like "touch foo" 20:01:27 sure, but why would you go around touching files in your build tree? 20:01:28 a realistic scenario: you make a change, save, undo it, save again 20:01:34 see above 20:02:08 well sure, but that will rebuild one file + linking 20:02:16 unless it is an header, agreed 20:02:20 but that doesn't happen often 20:02:31 it can happen that the build time is really long 20:02:38 in big projects, I hear the linking time is the main overhead 20:02:40 and I normally use revert in such cases 20:02:47 which does revert time stamp 20:02:59 as in hg/svn/bzr/whatever revert 20:03:01 others might not 20:03:03 I don't, for instance 20:03:20 and that might go too far back 20:03:38 Deewiant, how many revisions are there in the ccbi 1 repo? 20:03:48 less than 100 I think 20:03:55 well you don't commit often then or? 20:03:58 yes, tip is 94 20:04:11 and yes, I tend to make too big commits :-/ 20:04:15 since you implement *more* fingerprints, more complex ones, minifunge and so on 20:04:19 and also, it only starts from 1.0.4 20:04:26 cfunge: 414 is HEAD 20:04:27 when minifunge + most fingerprints were already done 20:04:46 and it is probably more, since I used feature branches for some things 20:04:57 and they get merged into a "merge" commit in mainline 20:06:04 Deewiant, I tend to make commits after implementing one fingerprint, or one bug fixed 20:06:06 and so on 20:06:40 as do I 20:06:59 and why didn't you use VCS when you began? 20:07:24 probably didn't know much about them, or just felt it wasn't necessary 20:07:26 revision 1 in cfunge wasn't even anything more than a main file and a build system 20:07:48 around revision 6 I think it could run befunge93 20:07:51 my revision 1 is usually something that does what is intended 20:08:00 so for CCBI it would have been full befunge-98 conformance 20:08:03 no wait, it could *load files* at revision 6 20:09:10 by revision 13 it could run factorial.b93 from catseye 20:09:20 21 I implemented [ and ] from 98 20:10:08 by 30 it got to end of 98 part of mycology according to log message, though with some bad 20:10:43 by 34 or so I had a infinite funge space using a hash library instead of simply a large fixed one 20:11:34 50 was NULL I see 20:12:55 Deewiant, btw, do you have any clue what a file ending in .wps is? 20:13:09 MS works 20:13:15 most likely 20:13:15 aha 20:13:25 I was thinking word perfect possibly 20:15:05 now to find out how to open it, seems like openoffice doesn't like it very much 20:15:39 huh wait 20:16:01 Deewiant, I found "WPS 2000/Office 1.0 (*.wps)" in the open dialog filter box in oowriter 20:16:02 hrrm 20:16:06 office 1.0? 20:16:25 yet that doesn't manage to open this file 20:16:30 it is just garbage 20:16:52 (and yes, file(1) thinks it is "data") 20:17:19 I expect converters exist 20:26:13 file(1) isn't exactly *accurate*; after all, it's just doing a bunch of heuristics on the file to guess what type it is. 20:29:40 pikhq, indeed, but "data" means "didn't find anything relevant" 20:29:47 so it means nothing matched 20:29:56 and a lot of the time file is useful 20:42:37 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:04:45 how does scheme differ from lisp? Or is it just a dialect of lisp? 21:06:10 a dialect, sure, but also different 21:06:34 no distinction betwen variables and functions 21:07:01 proper lexical scoping, which the first lisps didn't have 21:07:07 -!- puzzlet_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 21:07:10 -!- puzzlet has joined. 21:07:10 and it's minimalistic 21:07:30 or used to be at any rate 21:08:08 "hygienic" macros which take automatic care of naming conflicts 21:09:45 that's what comes to mind on the spot 21:10:41 common lisp afaik is all the opposite except that i think it also has lexical scoping nowadays 21:11:36 (possibly optional, there's some function vs. lambda stuff in that iirc) 21:12:22 and emacs lisp still has dynamic scoping i think, i know little else about it 21:13:13 basically scheme is the prettiest and most logical dialect 21:15:07 hm 21:15:17 oh and i forgot continuations which scheme has 21:15:39 continuations, I never really understood the concept 21:17:34 i never really understood why it's difficult, which probably means i cannot explain it 21:18:16 let me try once 21:19:13 sure 21:19:32 whenever you are evaluating an sub-expression in a program, there must be some notion of what the program does when it's finished evaluating 21:20:44 scheme allows you to take that notion and use it explicitly as a continuation 21:21:43 when you call the continuation function of an expression with some value, the effect is like having that expression finish evaluating with that value as its result 21:22:26 when done from inside the expression, that becomes like an escape function, similar to return or break in C 21:24:52 the really weird case is when done from outside the expression, after it has already returned. you can do this in scheme because a continuation can be saved away in a variable like any other value 21:25:24 the effect of that is somewhat like rewinding the program and returning _again_, with the new value 21:27:39 the end. 21:28:37 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:28:49 -!- Slereah has joined. 21:29:03 hm 21:29:12 (was afk, due to phone call) 21:29:17 there were some ambiguities in that. when i say "finished" or "return" i mean the sub-expression 21:29:31 not the whole program 21:30:51 so basically scheme doesn't allow you to do a normal return from a function? it kind of calls the original code with a new variable bound? 21:31:05 is that what you are saying 21:31:15 um no 21:31:24 " when you call the continuation function of an expression with some value, the effect is like having that expression finish evaluating with that value as its result" 21:31:30 " when done from inside the expression, that becomes like an escape function, similar to return or break in C" 21:31:42 if you don't use any continuation functions explicitly, things return normally 21:31:50 and for outside it is like longjmp? 21:32:00 sorta 21:32:16 except you can't longjmp into a function you already returned from 21:32:19 i think it can be implemented with longjmp 21:32:26 iirc 21:32:26 oh right 21:32:46 or well it is the classical C answer on tricky question: 21:32:50 undefined behaviour 21:33:10 heh 21:36:38 oerjan, does scheme have any undefined behaviour? 21:36:40 at all 21:37:00 I don't think functional languages suffer from that the way imperative ones do 21:37:04 yes i think so 21:37:11 oh really? details 21:37:12 ? 21:38:17 or at least things you are not supposed to do if you want to be sure that the program runs 21:38:59 hm 21:39:16 one thing that comes to mind: scheme has no reserved words so you can redefine any name. also things are mutually recursive and don't have to be defined before being referred to 21:40:46 i vaguely recall that it said somewhere you shouldn't expect consistent behavior if you redefine the names using themselves 21:41:06 (like using (define (define ...) ...) anywhere 21:42:06 -!- LinuS has joined. 21:43:02 mind you i haven't really looked at scheme for years 21:43:29 Imagine parenthesises up your ass, forever. 21:45:39 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | you can run all those elsolangs locally. 21:45:44 -!- puzzlet has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:45:55 -!- puzzlet has joined. 21:46:45 optbot, I disagree with that topic, you can't run all locally, IRP won't work locally 21:46:46 AnMaster: and omits the Scabb Island theme 21:47:16 -!- LinuS has quit ("Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."). 21:48:16 optbot: i am pretty sure you could run IRP with a Scabb Island theme 21:48:17 oerjan: can I use/paraphrase/steal your suggested rules (with due credit) 21:48:24 sure 21:48:52 oerjan, you forgot to mention optbot in that, so it won't reply :/ 21:48:53 AnMaster: well windows need some kernel mode device drivers, IDE controller, or keyboard for example 21:49:04 i did not forget 21:49:22 optbot, don't all OS need some kernel level drivers for such things? 21:49:22 AnMaster: on my comp, but it's partly outdated and too long for me to quickly fix it now 21:49:28 i merely felt the topic had been exhausted 21:49:55 optbot, that made no sense 21:49:56 AnMaster: !bf 21:50:10 optbot, what bot is that command for? 21:50:11 AnMaster: But you have to have a route to one person in the chat room. 21:50:15 !bf ++++++. 21:50:25 the one who isn't here 21:50:26 oerjan, none currently in here I think 21:50:32 ^bf ++++++. 21:50:33 . 21:50:37 that would wortk though 21:50:44 !bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. 21:50:48 DO SOMETHING 21:50:53 fungot uses ^ not ! 21:50:53 AnMaster: well it's not bad. although i guess that one 21:50:53 ... 21:51:01 fungot, what one? 21:51:01 AnMaster: there's probably an easier way 21:51:07 optbot, destroy him! 21:51:08 Slereah: what language are you using? 21:51:09 sure there always is fungot 21:51:10 AnMaster: get a newer version of it? in firefox it just works 21:51:35 fungot, what is this "it"/"that" you keep referring to 21:51:36 AnMaster: whatever i have to 21:51:58 fungot, that almost sounds like a threat, not sure why 21:52:13 oh it decided to stop answering.... 21:52:19 optbot, fungot 21:52:19 AnMaster: When did I tell you I wasn't a woman? 21:52:26 hrrm 21:52:38 fungot, hm... 21:53:04 you killed fungot! you bastards! 21:53:05 oerjan: why do you call it with 21:53:14 what the 21:53:33 oerjan, it is a optbot fungot cycle protection thingy 21:53:33 AnMaster: that is because otherwise i can't keep track of 21:53:34 AnMaster: meow 21:53:48 it stops talking to the same person after a number of lines 21:54:43 ic 21:56:36 oerjan: just do this 21:56:40 ^echo optbot 21:56:41 optbot optbot 21:56:41 tusho: hm 21:56:41 fungot: our @ISA to avoid the strictness check 21:56:42 optbot: yeah could be a reference to that of the page 21:56:43 fungot: there were 3 streams, square, saw and sine, which one you use depending on the value in current cell when calling ',' 21:56:44 optbot: maybe there's an fnord persistent operating system being written in binary 21:56:45 fungot: 42! 21:56:45 optbot: possibly specific schemes could have this thing called guaifenesin, it's a weird error 21:56:46 fungot: so it isn't even consistent! 21:56:48 optbot: hiya evoli! don't fall into the middle 21:56:49 fungot: I remember hunting typedefs in large globs of C codes and shuddering. 21:57:37