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01:50:46 <ihope> I'm getting the idea that ais523 is the king of small, incomprehensible, quickly-written programs.
01:50:58 <ihope> Which is probably a good thing.
02:43:09 <GregorR> http://codu.org/lambda/lambda.html
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03:08:13 <pikhq> Sweet.
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03:18:59 <Sgeo> My Data Communications teacher said that having files on the desktop slowed the computer down, so it's better to use shortcuts
03:19:19 <GregorR> ...
03:19:20 <GregorR> wtf.
03:19:38 <GregorR> Was (s)he referring to remote login, which (on Windows) downloads the files at login time?
03:20:40 <Sgeo> Hm, maybe, don't think so though
03:20:54 * GregorR is just being optimistic :P
03:21:41 <Sgeo> He says that his boss's computer was running slow, so he told his boss to clean up his inbox, which had 7GB worth of stuff. The boss saved the files to the desktop, and complained that the computer was still slow..
03:21:55 <Sgeo> !dup
03:22:43 <GregorR> Sgeo: http://codu.org/lambda/lambda.html
03:22:46 <Sgeo> Also, when I first went to his website, it was obvious to me that if he were teaching me web design, I'd drop the class -- the site was made in MS Word
03:23:08 <GregorR> OMFG
03:23:09 <GregorR> HAHAHAH
03:23:27 <GregorR> http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/gkrichar/ // look at my sexy academic site 8-D
03:23:37 <Sgeo> http://snyfarvc.cc.farmingdale.edu/~kollarr/
03:24:27 <GregorR> He should not be allowed to list "Open Source" in his areas of teaching interest and research.
03:25:00 <Sgeo> Um, why not? Just because he doesn't use it, doesn't mean he knows nothing about it..
03:25:14 <Sgeo> If he listed "Web design", I'd scream
03:35:55 * Sgeo wonders if he can manually clean up his professor's website
03:35:58 * Sgeo pokes GregorR 
03:36:06 <GregorR> Zomg
03:36:57 <GregorR> Sgeo: Zomg?
03:37:11 <Sgeo> Should I try manually cleaning it up?
03:37:24 <Sgeo> tbh, I don't know how much or how little of the CSS is legit
03:37:48 <GregorR> Should you? Why?
03:37:48 <Sgeo> Are there automatic cleaners?
03:37:53 <GregorR> It's not like you can upload it.
03:38:48 <Sgeo> That cleaner didn't work
03:38:53 <Sgeo> Could email him
03:39:22 <Sgeo> Actually, the resulting HTML looks mostly clean
03:39:40 <Sgeo> I could get rid of the rest myself
03:39:46 <GregorR> Don't you think he might be insulted by that email?
03:40:04 <GregorR> "You used Word to make your HTML, that's so effing stupid, here's how to do it right ... prof."
03:40:29 <Sgeo> He knows using Word to make HTML sucks
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03:52:00 <Sgeo> Not sure if this teacher is better or worse than the document.write(<b>"Hello</b>); one
03:52:06 <Sgeo> erm
03:52:16 <Sgeo> document.write(<b>"Hello"</b>);
03:55:00 <GregorR> Uh
03:55:01 <GregorR> WTF?
03:55:13 <GregorR> optbot!
03:55:13 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | yuck.
03:55:15 <GregorR> optbot!
03:55:16 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | i already showed how its gimmicky..
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04:23:16 <optbot> oerjan: !ps
04:23:39 <GregorR> Give Markov chain a brake, garbage in garbage out :)
04:23:43 <GregorR> optbot!
04:23:43 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | OUCH.
04:23:45 <GregorR> optbot!
04:23:45 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | WHAT HAVE I DONE.
04:23:50 <GregorR> Hahaha, great one.
04:25:00 <GregorR> Apparently Slereah2 says that a lot.
04:25:11 <GregorR> (Read: twice in the history of #esoteric )
04:25:13 <oerjan> i thought optbot used entire quotes, not markov chains
04:25:14 <optbot> oerjan: get kubuntu or whatever working again
04:25:28 <oerjan> unlike fungot
04:25:29 <fungot> oerjan: as i'm learning flex/ bison
04:25:58 <GregorR> I'LL FLEX YOUR BISON.
04:26:23 <oerjan> please. they're an endangered species. or something.
04:30:45 <oerjan> conservation dependent, actually
04:32:23 <GregorR> "Conservation dependent" seems like the buzzword version of "endangered"
04:33:26 <oerjan> it's three steps less serious.  also, obsolete in new evaluations since 2001
04:33:47 <oerjan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_status
04:44:05 <bsmntbombdood> WARNING: This website contains explicit adult material.
04:45:46 <oerjan> quite so
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04:46:03 <oerjan> although not on that page, i think
05:43:37 <GregorR> I learned today that you can apply church numerals directly to each other to get powers.
05:43:47 <GregorR> e.g. 2^3 is 2 applied to 3.
05:44:51 <oerjan> the other way around, actually
05:45:09 <GregorR> 2 applied to 3 is    3 2
05:45:16 <GregorR> No wait
05:45:20 <GregorR> My grammar el sucks.
05:45:23 <GregorR> 3 applied to 2 :P
05:45:29 <oerjan> right
05:45:31 <GregorR> You apply a function to its argument :P
05:48:07 * GregorR 'll advertize this again
05:48:15 <GregorR> http://codu.org/lambda/lambda.html
05:49:04 <oerjan> what's the syntax?
05:50:40 <GregorR> No multi-parameter lambdas (bah 2 syntax sugar :P), lambda=^, bullet=.
05:50:49 <GregorR> So ^<var>.<exp>
05:51:02 <GregorR> ^x.^y.<exp> for multi-parameter
05:51:30 <oerjan> if you don't have multi-parameter, . is superfluous
05:51:59 <GregorR> Yes it is, but I wrote it with this syntax because it's the syntax we use in my class.
05:53:30 * GregorR adds multi-parameter lambdas *shrugs*
05:53:31 <oerjan> (\f.\x.f(f(f x))) a b  gives a message that the page contains an error
05:55:42 <GregorR> Could be partially because I said '^', not '\' :P
05:55:50 <oerjan> ah
05:55:54 <oerjan> you might think so
05:56:16 <oerjan> except, didn't help
05:56:43 <GregorR> Works for me.
05:56:46 <GregorR> What browser are you using?
05:56:48 <oerjan> IE
05:56:54 <oerjan> (7)
05:56:55 <GregorR> Well, that figures.
05:56:59 <GregorR> IE = worst browser in existence.
05:57:16 <oerjan> anyway, bus
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05:59:48 <GregorR> WTF? IE cannot be this screwed up.
06:02:37 <Sgeo> GregorR, hm?
06:02:54 <GregorR> I was trying to debug my lambda calculus solver on IE.
06:03:02 <GregorR> It's just so effing wonky I can't even begin to figure out what's wrong.
06:03:07 <GregorR> So I'm fixing it by adding this to the top of the .html:
06:03:09 <GregorR> Note: This does <i>not</i> work in Internet Explorer. Please use a browser with at least proximal support for the most basic web standards.<hr/>
06:03:26 <ae5ir> well it's not called the broken browser for nothing
06:03:29 <Sgeo> GregorR, you fail at cross-browser compatibility
06:03:41 <Sgeo> youfail.org
06:03:44 <Sgeo> =P j/k
06:04:14 <GregorR> Sgeo: IE doesn't count for cross-browser compatibility. It's like saying that your program isn't cross-platform because it doesn't work on Windows even though it works on Mac OS X, GNU/Linux and eighty other unixen.
06:05:05 * Sgeo would say that that's not cross-platform in an appreciable manner
06:05:21 * Sgeo feels beliggerant right now
06:05:39 <GregorR> Hey, don't blame me for the fact that every OS with an appreciable marketshare is POSIX-compatible with only one exception.
06:06:21 <GregorR> Oh wait, that's right, Windows /is/ POSIX compatible for a sufficiently limited definition of POSIX, isn't it ^^
06:08:41 <Sgeo> Would link to http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Linux but it's crap right now
06:08:55 <Sgeo> So I haven't linked to it, and won't link to it.
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06:19:39 <psygnisfive> oklofok
06:19:48 <psygnisfive> are you on aim yet? :P
06:28:23 <ae5ir> for the love of all that's holy, get on aim
06:30:25 <psygnisfive> well my IRC connection is sketchy
06:30:25 <psygnisfive> so..
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07:39:59 <oklofok> o
07:43:00 <psygnisfive> hey
07:43:03 <oklofok> hey
07:43:04 <psygnisfive> are you on aim?
07:43:10 <oklofok> no i am not
07:43:16 <psygnisfive> please get an aim account :|
07:43:19 <oklofok> :|
07:43:23 <psygnisfive> please?
07:43:37 <psygnisfive> its hard for me to get and stay on IRC now that im back at school
07:43:39 <oklofok> but i already have messenger and skype, and i don't use those either
07:43:44 <oklofok> is that so
07:43:47 <oklofok> webirc?
07:43:52 <psygnisfive> im using mibbit
07:43:56 <psygnisfive> the school blocks normal IRC
07:44:02 <psygnisfive> and mibbit fails alot
07:44:11 <oklofok> i see
07:44:13 <fizzie> Get an AIM account and you'll get a constant stream of psygnisfive-talk, all day long.
07:44:22 <fizzie> Order now!
07:44:24 <psygnisfive> oh he loves it ;)
07:44:24 <oklofok> uhhh, gimme somma that
07:44:40 <psygnisfive> anyway, use skype more.
07:44:42 <fizzie> Add 2-3 inches, all natural.
07:44:45 <psygnisfive> i have skype already, you have it
07:44:55 <psygnisfive> just set it up so that skype signs on automatically and leave it in the background
07:45:17 <oklofok> :D
07:45:32 <oklofok> you understand i have no other people there than you
07:45:51 <psygnisfive> so? :P
07:45:59 <oklofok> hmmhmm
07:46:04 <fizzie> Oh, that's sweet. "You're the only one I want to skype with!"
07:46:12 <psygnisfive> i dont talk to anyone else either
07:46:18 <psygnisfive> but i'd have skype on just to chat with you
07:46:30 <psygnisfive> i mean, obviously i'd prefer irc but thats not working so well for me
07:46:34 <oklofok> wow, i would be, like, so special
07:46:42 <psygnisfive> oh you're already special, darlin
07:46:56 <psygnisfive> anyway
07:46:58 <psygnisfive> i need to go to bed
07:47:00 <psygnisfive> night guys
07:47:07 <psygnisfive> ::hugs oklofok::
07:47:14 <oklofok> yeah, good morning to you
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07:47:44 <oklofok> math-related fun ->
07:54:49 <puzzlet> ?
07:55:32 <oklofok> puzzled, huh?
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08:10:22 <puzzlet> what's a math-related fun
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09:42:41 <oklofok> puzzlet: we have these demonstrations, basically you show your homework to the class
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09:49:59 <fizzie> I just printed out that fungot flowgraph, with some font changes, scaled to an A4 paper, on the normal 600dpi laser printer here, and: I can actually read the node labels! (If I try really hard.)
09:50:00 <fungot> fizzie: people are working on
09:50:14 <fizzie> fungot: Working on what?
09:50:14 <fungot> fizzie: i was making a schemeql type thing, and replace with eval " origina line"
09:50:29 <fizzie> fungot: You have some strange hobbies.
09:50:29 <fungot> fizzie: the java.sun.com page uses an applet tag
09:52:20 <oklofok> fizzie: pretty awesome
09:52:25 <fizzie> The font height, for a lowercase letter, in this printout is approximately 2-3 times the thickness of a paper.
09:52:47 <oklofok> :D
09:52:59 <fizzie> I don't have a ruler available, but I think it's definitely <1mm.
09:53:07 <oklofok> i would ask you to show me, but i guess this is one of those situations where that's impossible
09:53:36 <oklofok> readings ->
09:55:02 <puzzlet> what i don't understand is the meaning of that arrow
09:55:22 <puzzlet> "afk"?
09:55:25 <fizzie> Yes.
09:55:36 <fizzie> Some people call it "taikanuoli", lit. "magic arrow".
09:55:54 <fizzie> But I don't think that's very widespread.
09:56:03 <oklofok> no, but it will be
09:56:14 <oklofok> in like 20 years even puzzlet will be using it
09:56:15 <puzzlet> looks like Finnish
09:56:30 <puzzlet> taikanuoli does
09:57:00 <fizzie> Yes, based on this channel the whole -> thing is a Finnish speciality.
09:57:33 <oklofok> AnMaster has used it too, afaik
09:57:56 <oklofok> aaanyway, just came here to say the mips instruction set could, if i'm not mistaken, easily contain a command with destination both in memory and in the register file without any additional data or control hazards
09:58:01 <fizzie> Personally I use "->" most often when coordinating lunch departures and such with people working nearby. When one person says "->", it means the departure is imminent.
09:58:23 <oklofok> yeah, that's the point
09:58:31 <oklofok> there's no other way to do that
09:59:18 <fizzie> Of course occasionally you need to "take back" a -> with a <- because you forgot something.
10:04:27 <puzzlet> it comes to my mind that Finnish has different grammatical order than English.
10:04:42 <puzzlet> is Finnish Subject-Object-Verb?
10:04:46 <oklofok> no
10:04:55 <oklofok> it's english with a few words different
10:06:25 <fizzie> Yes, and it's reasonably malleable, since the word inflections remove a bit of the ambiguity.
10:06:56 <fizzie> Wikipedia "Finnish grammar" article "Sentence structure" part sounds reasonably accurate to me.
10:08:57 <fizzie> I seem to remember a popular radio parody/humor show ("Alivaltiosihteeri") once making a joke about that.
10:10:28 <oklofok> i've read that
10:10:35 <fizzie> They had a segment called "sanajärjestys on vapaa", lit. "word order is free", which was a parody of a real "sana on vapaa" (something like "free talk") program where people could call the radio station and state their opinions on today's topic -- except that in the "sanajärjestys on vapaa" version the words in a sentence were pretty randomly ordered.
10:11:02 <fizzie> They started out quite understandable, but some of the later sentences needed a bit of thinking to parse correctly.
10:11:02 <oklofok> alivaltiosihteeri is the greatest
10:11:11 <oklofok> people should learn finnish just to be able to appreciate it
10:11:36 <oklofok> "the society of freudian slippers"
10:11:58 <oklofok> that was so much fun when i was 12
10:12:17 <oklofok> "society"? i guess it was like association but anyway
10:17:05 <fizzie> For some reason the ones I remember best were the ones I heard on our yearly family summer vacation car trips; there was a car-related segment where they introduced one car that was "a winner of all the crash tests", and promised next week to review "Fiat Lepra, the car whose parts fall off".
10:18:44 <oklofok> winner as in, crashed into most pieces or something?
10:19:23 <fizzie> I think it was something like that, yes.
10:19:44 <fizzie> The door came off when opening it and stuff like that.
10:20:25 <fizzie> I think I have most of those in book form at home (at least 5 or 6 of them) but I'm not sure if I have that one, and in any case it's unavailable right now.
10:25:47 <oklofok> i may have that one too
10:26:10 <oklofok> but i left all my non computer related books to my parents when i moved
10:27:05 <fizzie> Well, all my books are in suitcases and cardboard boxes still at the new apartment, so probably couldn't find it even if I were at home.
10:29:59 <oklofok> i still have all my stuff in these big black garbage bags, after moving like half a year ago
10:30:35 <oklofok> this might yield a good system for only keeping what i need if i threw the garbage bags in the garbage every once in a whil
10:30:37 <oklofok> *while
10:30:54 <fizzie> We used over 30 of those bags to pack our stuff, but have managed to unpack almost half of them to closets and such. The rest are more difficult to place, though.
10:33:12 <oklofok> my apartment is 18 square meters, so 30 bags might be a bit overkill
10:33:43 <oklofok> *might've been
10:33:51 <fizzie> We moved from 42 into 61.5, but it doesn't feel any bigger.
10:34:39 <oklofok> i moved from 50 or something to this, and it doesn't feel any smaller
10:35:00 <fizzie> Apparently the apparent size of an apartment is constant.
10:35:05 <oklofok> :)
10:35:12 <fizzie> (Is there a synonym of "constant" that starts with "ap"?)
10:35:26 <oklofok> i think it just has an upper bound
10:35:53 <oklofok> approximately constant
10:36:15 <oklofok> approach-independent
10:36:16 <oklofok> ...
10:36:18 <oklofok> err what
10:44:40 <AnMaster> <oklofok> AnMaster has used it too, afaik <-- used what?
10:45:27 <oklofok> "afaik", naturally
10:45:37 <oklofok> i just quoted it weirdly
10:45:52 <oklofok> nah i'm just spanking your brain, i meant "->"
10:46:05 <oklofok> although you use it like "-> target destination"
10:46:29 <oklofok> whereas the correct usage is "-> nothingness"
10:47:36 <fizzie> Yes, the syntax is "reason ->".
10:47:48 <fizzie> (Or just a "->".)
10:51:18 <puzzlet> i could use -> as a channel-specific manner, but well ..
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12:51:20 <oklopol> fizzie: btw i like how you continue my weird and incorrect explanations by first saying "yes", and then continuing with the correct information.
12:52:27 <oklopol> okay it was just with "->" and "english with words different", but in case you do it later, you'll know i like it in advance
12:53:21 <tusho> fizzie: Yaknow optbot here?
12:53:22 <optbot> tusho: i feel so bad ^^ i worked 3 days on my solution and your code is smaller and better wahhhh
12:53:26 <tusho> He's using 60% of rutian's memory
12:53:48 <tusho> Any tips? He really can't do anything but load all the logs into memory, there's not a better solution afaik
12:54:45 <fizzie> You could keep just the offsets of each line in memory, and when called to speak, to a seek+read.
12:55:16 <tusho> fizzie: Oh, it's not one file.
12:55:25 <tusho> it's probably about 1000 files, one for each day
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12:56:03 <fizzie> An index to a table of files in addition to the offset, then.
12:56:23 <tusho> Meh, later. :P
12:56:26 <tusho> 01:55:36 <fizzie> Some people call it "taikanuoli", lit. "magic arrow".
12:56:36 <tusho> paamayim neudatoktayim!
12:56:37 <tusho> (sp)
12:58:36 <fizzie> T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM, apparently; though isn't that "::"?
12:58:47 <tusho> Yes.
12:58:54 <tusho> It just reminded me
12:58:55 <tusho> :P
12:58:56 <tusho> 02:46:05 <oklofok> although you use it like "-> target destination"
12:58:57 <tusho> 02:46:29 <oklofok> whereas the correct usage is "-> nothingness"
12:58:57 <tusho> 02:47:36 <fizzie> Yes, the syntax is "reason ->".
12:58:57 <tusho> 02:47:48 <fizzie> (Or just a "->".)
12:59:04 <tusho> AnMaster is just using the POSIX enhanced ->.
13:00:11 <AnMaster> haha
13:00:47 <tusho> Its prototype is something like:
13:00:55 <tusho> [reason] '->' [target destination]
13:01:09 <tusho> Though using that as -> is pretty nonstandard.
13:01:16 <tusho> AnMaster should probably call it as _posix_->.
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13:02:21 <fizzie> Whelp, must go to fetch some supports to help in weekendly window-cleaning for moving-out purposes _posix_-> the student housing office.
13:02:30 <fizzie> (Though that was a lie, won't leave for 15 more minutes.)
13:02:35 <tusho> fizzie: Premature optimization, man!
13:02:36 <tusho> :D
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13:07:40 <oklopol> [reason] -> [destination] \n [reason for lying]
13:07:49 <oklopol> *[reason] -> [destination] \n [(reason for lying)]
13:10:56 <tusho> :D
13:11:16 <tusho> oklopol: we need to establish a committe for maintaining this immediately
13:11:22 <tusho> <- can be specced too
13:11:41 <oklopol> YES LET'S DO THAT LET'S MAKE IRC MORE FUN :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
13:11:56 <oklopol> hey
13:11:59 <fizzie> <arrow:magic-arrow xmlns:arrow="urn:ieft:params:xml:pi:magicarrow"><arrow:reason lie="false">Time to go, for real this time</arrow:reason><arrow:destination>Housing office</arrow:destination></arrow:magic-arrow>
13:15:35 <tusho> fizzie: ...
13:15:41 <tusho> fizzie: I hate you.
13:17:01 <Slereah_> ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH
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14:31:27 <tusho> oklopol: what should we call the committee, International Taikanuoli Organization?
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14:43:53 <oklopol> :D
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14:50:02 <tusho> oklopol: the standards shall be called "reports", it sounds more enterprisey
14:50:39 <tusho> First International Taikanuoli Organization Report on the Conversational Algorithm
14:50:46 <oerjan> Ahoy, me maties!
14:50:56 <tusho> ITORCA-1
14:51:25 <tusho> oerjan: i'm discussing standardizing the finns' "->" (taikanuoli ("magic arrow"))
14:51:30 <tusho> a committee shall be formed.
14:56:56 <oerjan> to sum up my log browsing, i would submit that -> destination is perfectly correct, because finnish has free word order
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18:00:01 <tusho> * (cur) (last)  14:15, 15 September 2008 64.39.133.149 (Talk) (116 bytes) (�Replaced content with 'Someone was here and delerted all this.Ha Ha Ha Ha. Know u cant do ur work. Ha Ha Ha. So now punk bitches.Fuckers') (undo)
18:00:06 <tusho> Someone has not grasped the concept of revert.
18:02:12 <oklopol> if the "(undo)" is what i think it is, that's pretty hilarious, but i don't really know the context
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18:20:13 <tusho> oklopol: just from the page history
18:20:16 <tusho> that's a link to undo it
18:20:22 <tusho> obviously he had no idea that previous revisions were stored
18:20:33 <tusho> and thought he could destroy allll that work by deleting the article
18:20:37 <tusho> and everyone would have to write it all over again
18:22:52 <tusho> oh lawd
18:22:53 <tusho> http://www.reddit.com/
18:22:56 <tusho> talk like a pirate day reskin
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18:32:58 <Mony> hi !
18:34:02 <Mony> i haven't been in here for a while
18:34:18 <tusho> hi
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19:59:20 <tusho> i am here for a LIMITED TIME ONLY
19:59:27 <Mony> ^^
20:03:36 <oklofok> good because my patience is limited
20:03:45 <oklofok> and, you know, i hate you
20:08:16 <tusho> oklofok: :(
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20:15:04 <oklofok> oh, wait, you're *tusho*
20:15:25 <oklofok> i misread your nick, sorry
20:15:39 <oklofok> thought you were that one regular i hate from all my heart
20:15:44 <oklofok> you know who i'm talking about.
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20:40:40 <hotidlerchick> okokoko
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21:09:15 <oklofok> okokokokokoko
21:22:19 <Mony> 'night
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21:49:57 <olsner> sips!!!!1
22:06:39 <AnMaster_> <oklofok> thought you were that one regular i hate from all my heart <-- oh what one?
22:07:20 <oklofok> thank god a reaction!
22:07:26 <oklofok> well you know who i mean!
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22:07:38 <AnMaster> hm I can think of several
22:07:48 <oklofok> well do name them
22:07:53 <oklofok> it's good for them to know it
22:08:02 <AnMaster> PSOX author (forgot nick) for example
22:08:02 <oklofok> so they join here a bit less
22:08:08 <pikhq> Sgeo.
22:08:09 <oklofok> oh SGEO
22:08:11 <AnMaster> ah right
22:08:32 <AnMaster> then there is the new one with the bloated brainfuck thingy
22:08:32 <oklofok> who else might it be, i wonder? please list a few more
22:08:42 <AnMaster> again can't remember nickj
22:08:44 <AnMaster> nick*
22:08:47 <oklofok> KingOfKarlsruhe had a bloated brainfuck generator
22:08:52 <AnMaster> nah
22:08:54 <oklofok> think he's the one i hate?
22:08:56 <oklofok> hmm
22:08:57 <AnMaster> the interpreter one
22:09:06 <oklofok> someone who started with G?
22:09:30 <AnMaster> possibly, I don't remember nicks
22:09:34 <AnMaster> G or O or C yes
22:09:49 <oklofok> he's not really a regular in my standards
22:09:52 <AnMaster> upper case first char, and rounded
22:09:54 <oklofok> he's not the one.
22:10:04 <oklofok> try once more, you're getting pretty close
22:10:07 <AnMaster> oklofok, hm, tusho maybe?
22:10:11 <AnMaster> ;)
22:10:13 <oklofok> just think, e's so goddamn annoying
22:10:22 <AnMaster> hm no clue
22:10:25 <oklofok> hate them from all my heart
22:10:34 <oklofok> i mean, pure hate.
22:10:47 <AnMaster> can't remember ever seeing that
22:10:56 <oklofok> what? you've never seen my RAW RAGE
22:11:08 <AnMaster> not as far as I remember no
22:11:08 <oklofok> then i guess you haven't been online with them...
22:11:18 <AnMaster> probably
22:11:23 <AnMaster> oklofok, so who do you mean?
22:11:39 <oklofok> ...
22:11:42 <oklofok> can't be that hard
22:11:47 <oklofok> pikhq: help him
22:12:23 <AnMaster> oklofok, you certainly don't act like you hate/dislike me (which tusho do)
22:13:56 <pikhq> Dude who seems to not get Brainfuck at all.
22:13:57 <oklofok> i don't? well i guess you're not the one then... sheesh...
22:14:12 <oklofok> pikhq: what's his nick again?
22:14:31 <pikhq> Don't recall.
22:14:42 <AnMaster> pikhq, not get brainfuck, well not getting the idea of brainfuck would fit that new one
22:14:44 <AnMaster> but hm
22:14:51 <AnMaster> no clue who you are talking about
22:15:14 <oklofok> i see. well i'll just leave you thinking then.
22:15:19 <AnMaster> I coded several brainfuck interpreters, and wrote some programs in it
22:15:34 <oklofok> how many?
22:15:37 <oklofok> i bet i've coded more
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22:15:45 <pikhq> I've probably coded more complex ones.
22:15:48 <pikhq> ;)
22:15:59 <oklopol> pikhq: elaborate
22:16:14 <AnMaster> oklopol, 5 interpreters at least, not all published, programs maybe 10-15 longer than one page
22:16:32 <AnMaster> none published and no source around these days
22:16:39 <oklopol> i've coded about a hundred bf interps
22:16:48 <AnMaster> since I got bored with brainfuck before this computer
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22:16:50 <pikhq> More complex programs in it.
22:16:53 <oklopol> of course, most were almost the same, coded in python for a specific purpose
22:16:57 <oklopol> ohhh
22:17:01 <oklopol> then prolly
22:17:05 <AnMaster> oklopol, well of course you coded more I guess
22:17:08 <pikhq> Do you recall the whole PEBBLE business? :p
22:17:10 <oklopol> i've made an almost-working bf-in-bf
22:17:17 <oklopol> i do, yes :)
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22:17:45 <AnMaster> oklopol, care to mention the nick in qustion? Is he/she here now? When was he/she here last?
22:18:57 <oklopol> you and your constant stream of questions :)
22:19:57 <oklopol> aaaaanyway, i hate to disappoint you but i'm trolling, something i avoid doing since the term is so gay
22:19:59 <oklopol> i don't hate anyone
22:20:01 <AnMaster> oklopol, well if you don't ask you won't learn :)
22:20:02 <oklopol> in the whole world.
22:20:27 <oklopol> i only hate non-organic objects, sometimes to very extreme amounts
22:20:35 <AnMaster> oklopol, iron?
22:20:39 <oklopol> also i don't really get mad at people
22:20:59 <oklopol> more like all kinds of machines
22:21:09 <oklopol> computers, bikes, scissors
22:21:36 <AnMaster> not sure if scissors are actually complex enough to be called a machine
22:21:38 <AnMaster> a tool certainly
22:21:41 <oklopol> well, tools
22:22:01 <oklopol> and i don't think i've ever actually been mad at scissors, because i don't really use scissors
22:22:06 <oklopol> i do get mad at pens though
22:22:11 <oklopol> and kill them
22:22:17 <oklopol> well, break
22:22:19 <AnMaster> oklopol, they were alive?
22:22:20 <oklopol> but you know
22:22:23 <AnMaster> ah
22:22:31 <oklopol> i like to think i'm taking the life of the object i'm breaking
22:22:39 <AnMaster> hm
22:23:32 <oklopol> btw. i'm finding it a bit hard not to think i'm trolling myself, are you bying this? it's true, but, you know, you don't know me well enough to believe all the weird things about me.
22:23:46 <AnMaster> what is English for penetui?
22:23:48 <AnMaster> I got no clue
22:24:05 <oklopol> penetui? no idea no idea
22:24:15 <AnMaster> a small box for 1-2 pens
22:24:21 <AnMaster> often for expensive pens
22:24:48 <AnMaster> oklopol, know what I mean?
22:25:24 <oklopol> nope. but roll with it i'll catch on
22:26:13 <AnMaster> let me get my camera out, however since it is a high end camera it will take a bit
22:26:44 <KingOfKarlsruhe> oklopol: KingOfKarlsruhe had a bloated brainfuck generator <<--- that was my old faulty version http://paste.pocoo.org/show/85742/
22:26:45 <AnMaster> actually I may have a webcam around
22:27:06 <oklopol> KingOfKarlsruhe: sorry to drag you in, but we were having such a fascinating conversation
22:27:21 <oklopol> i'm a bit too tired to be reading code atm
22:29:19 <KingOfKarlsruhe> oklopol: it's for information only
22:30:27 <oklopol> well, off the record i do know you made a better version.
22:30:42 <oklopol> and i knew it right after you made it
22:30:45 <oklopol> because you pasted it here
22:30:50 <AnMaster> oklopol, http://omploader.org/vcmNn
22:30:54 <AnMaster> that thing
22:30:54 <oklopol> if that's not the one, don't break my bubble
22:31:02 <AnMaster> what is it in English?
22:31:08 <oklopol> AnMaster: pencil case?
22:31:18 <AnMaster> blergh guess so
22:31:36 <oklopol> Expensive Pencil Case With Two Cool Pencillors (tm)
22:31:37 <AnMaster> oklopol, point I was going to get to is that I never got mad at a pen
22:31:56 <oklopol> because your pens own?
22:32:03 <AnMaster> oklopol, well one ball-point pen and one mechanical pencil
22:32:10 <AnMaster> they do?
22:32:27 <oklopol> are you aware that you failing at something your doing on paper, like doing math, is the pen's fault?
22:32:30 <AnMaster> well one other pencil I had since I was 10 or so, still works well
22:32:35 <oklopol> *you're
22:32:45 <AnMaster> hm interesting
22:32:48 <oklopol> it's not about not working.
22:32:55 <oklopol> well
22:32:56 <oklopol> not always
22:33:07 <oklopol> i guess it should be, but this isn't a perfect world
22:33:36 <AnMaster> oklopol, so... what about when you do math using a computer?
22:33:47 <AnMaster> say, in LaTeX or whatever
22:34:37 <oklopol> i use notepad
22:34:44 <oklopol> for math
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