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< 1220237088 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, you're my friends. Suppose I were to write a story.
< 1220237169 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have a character named Johann Algernon, and he'd be really smart, but he'd be bored most of the time. Then a girl named Grace would come into his life via deus ex machina and teach him how to be happy.
< 1220237260 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then they'd kidnap Wolfram Blitzen from Newshounds and... well, maybe not that.
< 1220237292 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, we're your friends now?
< 1220237298 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, when did that happen?!
< 1220237307 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i see some paperwork?
< 1220237328 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *you're* not my friend. Just... gosh, where'd they go?
< 1220237330 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1220237338 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, any ideas?
< 1220237339 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: I need to write a BF interpreter in INTERCAL still.
< 1220237355 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's what your friends are doing.
< 1220237481 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in a completely unrelated manner, a funny group of characters would get together and accomplish something really cool.
< 1220237503 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'd collapse in a comic manner so that I could continue writing.
< 1220237540 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And these seemingly separate stories would be heavily allegorical, and scathing commentaries on each other. :-P
< 1220238608 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's gotten to the point where I suddenly don't understand the comics I'm reading.
< 1220238636 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll stop putting "and" at the beginning of every sentence and go to bed instead.
< 1220238640 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night, everyone.
< 1220240004 0 :megatron!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :moozilla
< 1220240733 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | i prefer Ligeti ;)
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< 1220264755 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1220272881 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :School starts in exactly 24 hours.
< 1220272987 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three trimesters later, and boom, you're a graduate.
< 1220272994 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by you, I mean me, of course.
< 1220273066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z+4
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< 1220275383 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree completely.
< 1220277221 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6yuat/let_people_use_google_accounts_to_log_in_to_your/ 65 upvotes, 65 downvotes.
< 1220277225 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A perfect 0 score
< 1220277226 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1220277541 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you can win a prize for most controversial idea ever.
< 1220277557 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogface: Nah, there've been more controversial posts on reddit.
< 1220277587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogface: http://www.reddit.com/controversial/?t=all
< 1220277599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most controversial reddit posts of all time.
< 1220277605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1220277608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am #16.
< 1220277609 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not bad, not bad.
< 1220277612 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogface: you're a graduate in a year?
< 1220277680 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: where do you see number of up/downvotes
< 1220277687 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: sidebar
< 1220277690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the comments page
< 1220277695 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there
< 1220277701 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 has 561 up vs 562 down
< 1220277714 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be a little "status" link or something on the comments page which showed it
< 1220277728 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that it's always visible I couldn't find it anymore ;-)
< 1220277736 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah reddit fucked with the design a while ago
< 1220277745 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks kind of shit now unless you turn on compact mode in prefs
< 1220277754 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course I immediately did
< 1220277773 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I've voted up 4 posts in the top 31 controversial
< 1220277790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rarely ever upvote things
< 1220277801 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely ever downvote things
< 1220277805 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I either upvote or don't, in general
< 1220277833 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a bunch of anarchists
< 1220277842 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((     (int (*)(int))(*foo)(int) = { int n |
< 1220277842 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        { int i | return n += i; } }; ))
< 1220277844 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yipes.
< 1220277851 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methinks the syntax could use some whipping.
< 1220277855 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that
< 1220277860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, where's that from
< 1220277863 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what it is :-P
< 1220277876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i am playing around with a little syntax to give C functional programming shizz
< 1220277879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :closures is part of that
< 1220277882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220277885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :closures + anonymous functions
< 1220277887 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just something private of yours
< 1220277890 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220277894 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, that type is gnarly.
< 1220277903 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(int (*)(int)) (*foo)(int)
< 1220277903 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "int n, int i |" for starters
< 1220277913 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how about no, see http://www.paulgraham.com/accgen.html
< 1220277916 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem: Write a function foo that takes a number n and returns a function that takes a number i, and returns n incremented by i.
< 1220277934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine does everything except his (a) requirement which is basically designed to get rid of any non-dynamically-typed langs
< 1220277935 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it would mean the same thing, of course
< 1220277944 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah. i am not making c a curried language :D
< 1220277950 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1220277959 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would break variadics, noadics, and most pieces of c code ever
< 1220277972 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you do func(notenoughargs); as a statement it'd suck to get it accepted
< 1220277977 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that'd return a function
< 1220277983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of erroring out because you didn't specify enough args
< 1220278002 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the actual function body is fine I think, it's just the type that is hideous
< 1220278013 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could add an 'auto' for type inferrence ofc
< 1220278025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto foo = { int n | { int i | return n += i } };
< 1220278034 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220278051 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the thing is that C's function/function pointer syntax /is/ gnarly
< 1220278092 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding even just a keyword "function" or whatever would work but would break compatibility with C, of course
< 1220278104 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind breaking compatibility a little
< 1220278110 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wouldn't completely rewrite it e.g. by currying
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< 1220278407 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in D that'd be "int delegate(int) delegate(int) foo = (int n) { return (int i) { return n += i; } };"
< 1220278417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus a semiclon after the next-to-last }
< 1220278422 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/clon/colon/
< 1220278428 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a second there i thought "in D" was some elaborate smiley
< 1220278468 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with auto, "auto foo = (int n) { return (int i) { return n += i; }; };"
< 1220278514 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah, I prefer the smalltalky {x | y} though
< 1220278523 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the delegate syntax has always confused me
< 1220278525 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo
< 1220278525 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220278528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe:
< 1220278539 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just <return type> delegate <parameters> :-P
< 1220278561 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(params)(return)
< 1220278562 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could of course use "function" instead if you prefer that to the odd term "delegate"
< 1220278568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, how about (params)^(return)
< 1220278580 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220278580 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(int)^((int)^int)
< 1220278593 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the type of the function is difficult to comprehend anyway, so it'll never be perfect
< 1220278602 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's pretty decent
< 1220278645 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the lexical and parsing phases separate in C compilation, like they are not in C++?
< 1220278655 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the short term to describe this kind of grammar
< 1220278717 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: wha?
< 1220278719 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :context-sensitive?
< 1220278727 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive
< 1220278767 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :separating lexical recognition from non-lexical stuff is just a different way of parsing, it has nothing to do with the language
< 1220278770 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yea, they are
< 1220278775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: no, the c standard specifies it
< 1220278781 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand that
< 1220278783 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in that case you can't always parse "X ^ Y" to "xor X Y", it's "if X is a type then function pointer... else xor X Y"
< 1220278788 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has nothing to do with the grammar or the language
< 1220278791 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a matter of parsing
< 1220278806 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: the c standard defines the language c. the c standard specifies that they must be seperate.
< 1220278807 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well basically of course you can implement it all in one clump if you want to :-P
< 1220278810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore it has something to do with the language.
< 1220278819 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it /is/ a property of the grammar
< 1220278821 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah, that's true .... wait, couldn't I just use ->?
< 1220278825 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i understand that the standard specifies this but theres no essential difference
< 1220278829 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(int) -> ((int) -> int)
< 1220278833 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: ok ,yes, you can implement it either way
< 1220278838 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to act as if you used two steps
< 1220278839 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: its not a property of the grammar
< 1220278847 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill show you precisely why too
< 1220278847 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, I don't think so, since "(x) -> (y)" is valid, no?
< 1220278857 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how is that valid in c
< 1220278863 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minus greater than?
< 1220278865 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: x is a pointer to a struct
< 1220278869 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220278869 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1220278871 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lexing stage is the collection of terminal symbols, potentially infinite in size, into labels
< 1220278874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spaces threw me off
< 1220278878 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but this is a type
< 1220278881 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do foo->bar in a type
< 1220278888 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I'm not sure if ->(y) is valid though, it might have to be ->y (no brackets)
< 1220278896 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. strings like "blarg" become 'terminals' of type <string> or whatever you want to call it
< 1220278924 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by using some regular expression to recognize the string.
< 1220278931 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, but it's still context sensitive because you can't just see "identifier -> identifier" and decide what it is
< 1220278943 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this basically is a rule <string> ::= /.../
< 1220278954 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context-free_grammar
< 1220278965 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well duh, c has tons of ambiguities like that :D
< 1220278968 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now whether or not all those rules are applied beforehand or not is irrelevant to the grammar/language
< 1220279006 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant how is C's grammar context sensitive?
< 1220279009 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I'm not sure if this is what I want to be talking about, but it's a property the grammar of D has and that of C++ doesn't :-P
< 1220279021 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I didn't say it was
< 1220279026 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked whether it was
< 1220279033 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. probably not
< 1220279035 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++'s is
< 1220279039 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that.
< 1220279047 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is not context free
< 1220279047 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CS grammars are hard to parse, in general
< 1220279052 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How not?
< 1220279054 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is hard to parse
< 1220279057 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220279058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is turing complete to parse
< 1220279060 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one big criticism of it
< 1220279061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to templates
< 1220279064 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look it up, bitchez
< 1220279078 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seriously doubt that C++ is unrestricted
< 1220279101 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to go. ill ask you about this later. see ya.
< 1220279132 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the type system is tc, so most likely you can do something impossible to parse with the thingie<thingie vs. template<...> ambiguity
< 1220279141 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c++/browse_thread/thread/93b9995c660a443b/7aa3c7a30ec301d4
< 1220279167 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, the canonical example
< 1220279170 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mytype MyName(MyValue);
< 1220279225 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be a number of things in C++, from a function declaration to initializing a class instance
< 1220279354 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of context-freeness is that a given piece of code, say "identifier -> identifier", can parse to only one thing
< 1220279408 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, something like "expression -> struct-member-dereference -> (identifier, identifier)" I guess
< 1220279425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed
< 1220279433 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but, in this case
< 1220279435 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not ambiguous
< 1220279440 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the type doesn't clash with the expr
< 1220279457 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1220279458 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean
< 1220279545 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given "x -> y", x and/or y might be typedefs so you can't know whether that's a function literal in your syntax or (*x).y
< 1220279820 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I think yours is the most controversial thing that's actually an idea.
< 1220279836 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogface: :D
< 1220279854 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: wut
< 1220279858 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me an ambiguous expression
< 1220279862 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: x -> y
< 1220279869 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes, that's an expression
< 1220279870 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a type
< 1220279876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x -> y) foo;
< 1220279877 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs
< 1220279880 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = (x -> y)
< 1220279888 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The heads of all pages that are in the imperative: 1. vote 2. vote 4. vote 7. vote 14. let
< 1220279889 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1220279890 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally different contexts, you can just have a seperate rule for type with that in
< 1220279898 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may be right, let me think
< 1220279901 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let that only appear in the expression thing
< 1220279921 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course this isn't actually a problem anyway
< 1220279925 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that I think about it
< 1220279929 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220279932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to hear that
< 1220279943 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can just parse it as struct-member-deference-expression, since it has the same exact syntax
< 1220279949 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and worry about it in the semantics phase
< 1220279965 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: even then you can still handle it fine
< 1220279970 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beacues x->y is always a struct thing in an expr
< 1220279973 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and always a function in a type
< 1220279976 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never overlaps
< 1220279982 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I didn't mean "worry" as in "it's a problem" :-)
< 1220279986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220279997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so, glad we've got that sorted out
< 1220280001 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still an addition to the grammar somewhere
< 1220280014 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'd like a nice syntax for higher-order stuffs
< 1220280014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it shouldn't cause any additional ambiguities
< 1220280016 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is
< 1220280021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(bar, {...})
< 1220280023 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not very pretty
< 1220280026 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo (bar) { ... } would be nicer
< 1220280030 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can just specialcase it
< 1220280038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo (x; y; z) { quux }
< 1220280048 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where foo is a function taking a block as all its args
< 1220280054 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is foo({x},{y},{z},{quux})
< 1220280056 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess?
< 1220280060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could implement for
< 1220280102 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: any suggestions for a nicer way to do that?
< 1220280104 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a bit special casey
< 1220280121 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact
< 1220280124 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't implement for with that
< 1220280129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{int i=0;}, {i = 5}
< 1220280131 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't make sense
< 1220280195 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so what exactly do you want
< 1220280206 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a syntax for calling a function with a function literal as a parameter/
< 1220280210 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s:/:?:
< 1220280278 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i just want something that lets me define control structures and such and then use them with a natural-looking syntax
< 1220280280 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(bar, {
< 1220280281 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ...
< 1220280282 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :});
< 1220280284 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is kind of ugly
< 1220280294 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially, what I said
< 1220280305 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well
< 1220280313 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo (bar) { } should work
< 1220280319 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could implement for with it
< 1220280338 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just specify that bar is passed as a reference into {}
< 1220280351 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pointer, since this is C)
< 1220280353 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: show me how to implement for
< 1220280360 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you can do it
< 1220280368 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (int i = 0; i < 5; i++) { printf("%i\n", i); }
< 1220280371 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what it must run
< 1220280407 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the trickier thing is that in this case it must take a variable definition as a function parameter
< 1220280431 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess the closest you can get is
< 1220280446 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int i = 0; for (i; i < 5; i++) { ... }
< 1220280448 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1220280472 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly with *i < 5 and (*i)++ instead
< 1220280474 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yea, exactly
< 1220280478 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the problem I want to solve
< 1220280478 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220280484 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be done
< 1220280488 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with just that, anyway
< 1220280511 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: not with just that <- i'm figuring out what to replace that with
< 1220280513 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some kind of macro/template system or something
< 1220280522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i could possibly get away with less
< 1220280525 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you want to be less general, something less general
< 1220280527 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure what
< 1220280889 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
< 1220280901 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the code to MSPaint for some early version of win2k a while back.
< 1220280902 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discuss.
< 1220280931 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you get it?
< 1220280940 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend had it and gave it to me. :P
< 1220280947 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how they got it.
< 1220280961 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, it required a makefile from a few directories up to build, so I couldn't. (Didn't wanna fuck with compiler settings until it worked.)
< 1220280965 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have it any more.
< 1220281064 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that Win2000 source code leak
< 1220281067 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably where it's from
< 1220281072 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so
< 1220281080 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read articles about it, i don't think there were many apps in it
< 1220281085 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly socket code and some shell stuff and crap
< 1220281095 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more plausable is from the nt4 leak
< 1220281098 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not certain
< 1220281101 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it did have some apps, such as paint and minesweeper or some such
< 1220281107 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know
< 1220281109 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: can it still be obtained?
< 1220281114 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or has it been cracked down on
< 1220281115 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on P2P networks, sure
< 1220281121 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, but I mean ... not gnutella
< 1220281122 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220281123 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't remove something from the internet
< 1220281129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc
< 1220281133 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can remove it from decent places
< 1220281135 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, google around
< 1220281136 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks torrents
< 1220281163 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmph.
< 1220281165 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just crap results
< 1220281169 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1220282772 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-dev/browse_thread/thread/8411d58c4d66b934
< 1220282776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g*
< 1220282896 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with voting comments up and down is that it kind of assumes everyone likes the same thing.
< 1220282917 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogface: The point of up/downvoting comments on reddit is meant to be: downvote disruptive, useless etc
< 1220282920 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but upvote worthful comments
< 1220282922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you disagree
< 1220282923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is
< 1220282927 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for submissions
< 1220282933 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're meant to upvote what you like, downvote what you don't
< 1220282938 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they use the exact same UI for very different things
< 1220282949 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it ends up that the up/down arrows on comments are misused.
< 1220283077 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.courageunfettered.com/stuf/mozillapics/ o_x
< 1220283934 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Like Perl ;)
< 1220285125 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220285126 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Let's try that again
< 1220285129 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1220285130 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220285131 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | my sentence was a bit obscure, gotta admit.
< 1220285364 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What, now you're speaking with topic changes?
< 1220285364 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'll just put the tape display on.
< 1220285374 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Uh... what will that do?
< 1220285375 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your girlfriend likes my voice :(
< 1220285405 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Really? She never said anything about that to me...
< 1220285405 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ~exec sys.stdout("I AM NOT bsmnt_bot")
< 1220285425 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: I know you're not bsmnt_bot; you two don't even look that much alike.
< 1220285426 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: replace if_zero with its brainfuck equivalent...
< 1220285890 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you like these bots, don't you
< 1220285942 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: don't you?
< 1220285943 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: and what n-nary
< 1220285944 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. Sure. They're so friendly.
< 1220285953 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: this n-nary
< 1220285954 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: my io will have a sugar on top of it
< 1220285962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: mine will have a salt
< 1220285963 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: if yes a sec
< 1220285977 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's funny, I never thought something could make optbot look sane
< 1220285978 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: [pigs.canFly].whileTrue["hello world".print!]
< 1220285980 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I heard fungot
< 1220285982 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ctcp is such a metaclass as a class entirely in l no use of recursion on the java fnord faces when you say " structurally equal", and i'm pretty sure she heard it mentioned on the site it does...
< 1220286039 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo optbot
< 1220286039 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot optbot
< 1220286040 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: x = 1
< 1220286040 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so ignoring that tusho sounds like hes on helium
< 1220286041 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: so there.))
< 1220286042 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: other way around
< 1220286043 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: sounds like a book and start writing the first 1l quine? :p. ugh i need to push fnord
< 1220286043 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: šÌ›ÌœÌÌžÌŸÌ Ì¡Ì¢Ì£Ì¤Ì¥Ì¦Ì§Ì¨Ì©ÌªÌ«Ì¬Ì­Ì®Ì¯Ì°Ì±Ì²Ì³Ì´ÌµÌ¶Ì·Ì¸Ì¹ÌºÌ»Ì¼Ì½Ì¾Ì¿Í€ÍÍ‚ÍƒÍ„Í…Í
< 1220286045 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: mikä on approaching ja mikä on peculiar. anteeks että olen tyhmä. tai no fnord minä. c++ is plain bad. thanks. :) but... it's x-treme!
< 1220286046 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: the id list will work the same here
< 1220286047 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: ( i could only find one book on general c, and wrapping is not so much
< 1220286047 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Some people associate colors with letters, or tastes with sounds, or moods with textures, or some such.
< 1220286050 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, what was that
< 1220286063 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what was what
< 1220286072 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made optbot and fungot have a conversation
< 1220286073 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: strange
< 1220286073 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: agreed. originally, this wiki was to be expected. zaphod is lacking a head. some unfamiliar ( or simply unrecognizable) things in a interpreter for an arbitrary bf program? :) htmlprag?' questions.
< 1220286075 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: optbot's binary-looking scrawl
< 1220286076 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ������
< 1220286083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: japanese or something
< 1220286083 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that :-P
< 1220286084 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably
< 1220286088 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the wrong encoding
< 1220286091 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: please, UTF-8 only here
< 1220286091 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: there's a perfectly good mailing list to which a bunch of people are already subscribed... :)
< 1220286104 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: where did it get it from
< 1220286112 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: a log somewhere.
< 1220286123 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it get its data from in general
< 1220286139 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every #esoteric log from the tunes.org sources, and fizzie's old personal logs
< 1220286144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which span from sometime in 2002 to when the tunes.org ones start
< 1220286255 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220286262 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody feel like grepping for that misencoded snippet? ;-)
< 1220286278 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: sure, sec
< 1220286323 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results.
< 1220286328 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem to enter properly, obviously.
< 1220286331 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Via my terminal)
< 1220286335 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no doubt
< 1220286344 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant:
< 1220286348 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can you do a binary grep
< 1220286350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put a file containing that quote in a pastebin
< 1220286354 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'll wget it from rutian
< 1220286358 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for, say, 0xc5 0xa1
< 1220286373 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do what i said :P
< 1220286401 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be easier for you to just hex-edit a file :-P
< 1220286415 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rutian is sparse on tools.
< 1220286421 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, iki.fi/deewiant/asdf.txt
< 1220286513 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is "rutian"
< 1220286580 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server of eso-std.org, optbot, etc
< 1220286581 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: good night
< 1220286588 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot sleeps?
< 1220286589 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: whatever.
< 1220286598 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot is a despicable liar.
< 1220286599 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogface: see http://www.wikicities.com/wiki/Database_download for info about backups (it'd be about as complicated as wget and a cron job)
< 1220286632 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep "`cat asdf.txt`" *
< 1220286632 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdf.txt:šÌ›ÌœÌ]]ÌžÌŸÌ Ì¡Ì¢Ì£Ì¤Ì¥Ì¦Ì§Ì¨Ì©ÌªÌ«Ì¬Ì­Ì®Ì¯Ì°Ì±Ì²Ì³Ì´ÌµÌ¶Ì·Ì¸Ì¹ÌºÌ»Ì¼Ì½Ì¾Ì¿Í€ÍAAÍ‚ÍƒÍ„Í…Í
< 1220286633 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g*
< 1220286757 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: perl -lne 'BEGIN{$/=\1024} print "hit byte ", ($.-1) * 1024 + $-[0] if /\xc5\xa1/'
< 1220286763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: if i gave you a rutian account would you figure it out ;)
< 1220286765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that coul dwork.
< 1220286795 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, it hits a lot of bytes but that's about it :D
< 1220286809 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, which file :-P
< 1220286815 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't say
< 1220286816 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220286821 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1220286821 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just did perl -lne 'BEGIN{$/=\1024} print "hit byte ", ($.-1) * 1024 + $-[0] if /\xc5\xa1/' *
< 1220286826 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refines
< 1220286826 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do that :-P
< 1220286829 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for x in * ....
< 1220286866 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance
< 1220286875 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray, almost searched
< 1220286902 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06.03.10
< 1220286902 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit byte 7279
< 1220286906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06.06.07
< 1220286906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit byte 6464
< 1220286910 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07.06.27
< 1220286910 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit byte 19677
< 1220286913 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07.12.03
< 1220286914 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit byte 9544
< 1220286918 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08.04.27
< 1220286918 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit byte 49873
< 1220286919 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit byte 50206
< 1220286924 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it
< 1220286954 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so check them out :-P
< 1220286960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am
< 1220286960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220287238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah.
< 1220287242 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:38:59 <ais523> ·?~@?~A?~B?~C?~D?~E?~F?~G?~H?~I?~J?~K?~L?~M?~N?~O?~P?~Q?~R??~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~[?~\?~]?~^?~_?| ̴̡̢̧̨̣̤̥̦̩̪̫̬̭̮̯̰̱̲̳??
< 1220287242 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?̶̷̸̹̺̻̼̽̾̿?~@?~A?~B?~C?~D?~E?| ͡.·?~@?~A?~B?~C?~D?~E?~F?~G?~H?~I?~JJ
< 1220287243 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?~K?~L?~M?~N?~O?~P?~Q?~R?~S?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~[?~\?~]?~^?~_?| ̡̢̧̣̤̥̦?
< 1220287243 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:39:10 <ehird> ?~R?~S?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z ?~R?~S?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~R?~S?T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~R?~S?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~R?~S?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~R?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~R?~S?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~R?~S?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~R??~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~R?~S?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~R?~S?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~R?S?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~R?~S?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~R?~S?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~S?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~R?~S?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?~Y?~Z?~R?~S?~T?~U?~V?~W?~X?
< 1220287249 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tons of jewnicode bombs.
< 1220287282 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220287292 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's all your fault :-P
< 1220287299 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, ais did it first!
< 1220287303 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I played with it.
< 1220287305 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220287323 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220287327 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220287328 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220287754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:09:54 --- nick: ehird -> ehirdclone
< 1220287754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:10:03 --- nick: ehirdclone -> ehirdc
< 1220287755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:10:31 --- nick: ais523 -> ehird
< 1220287755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:10:40 --- nick: ehird -> ais523
< 1220287755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:10:58 --- nick: ehirdc -> ehird
< 1220287755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:12:02 --- nick: ais523 -> ehirdc
< 1220287757 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:12:07 --- nick: ehird -> AnMasterr
< 1220287759 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:12:07 --- nick: ehirdc -> ehirdclone
< 1220287761 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:12:13 --- nick: AnMasterr -> ehirdc
< 1220287763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:12:29 --- nick: ehirdclone -> ais523
< 1220287765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:12:34 --- nick: ehirdc -> ehirdclone
< 1220287767 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:12:39 --- nick: ehirdclone -> ehird
< 1220287769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:12:49 --- nick: Sgeo -> Sgea
< 1220287771 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:13:00 --- nick: Sgea -> Sgee
< 1220287773 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:13:11 --- nick: ehird -> Sgeeee
< 1220287775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:13:14 --- nick: Sgeeee -> ehirdc
< 1220287777 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:13:24 --- nick: Sgee -> Sgei
< 1220287779 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:13:38 --- nick: Sgei -> Sgeu
< 1220287781 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:14:01 --- nick: Sgeu -> Sgeo
< 1220287785 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot?
< 1220287800 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: that's from the logs
< 1220287814 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220288718 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good nick nobody did a /nick ihope.
< 1220288734 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nick/thing/
< 1220289665 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220290376 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220290738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220290749 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220291159 0 :ais523!i=93bc1bcc@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9569e213c2ceba65 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220291164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220291172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi optbot, hi fungot
< 1220291173 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm. no comments on " fnord". right. i'm not doing anything to decrease the number of variables
< 1220291173 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1220291223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neh, optbot makes my poor fungot look all deranged-like.
< 1220291224 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (force X)
< 1220291224 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i had my computer manufacturer replace my hard drive blew up, and an auxiliary function
< 1220291249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel really foolish, anyway
< 1220291264 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of?
< 1220291264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on Windows at the moment because I remembered to bring my laptop here but forgot to bring its power supply
< 1220291268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I freaking love ignore.
< 1220291300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, it lets everyone see just the bits of the channel they like, so it helps everyone as long as they're not offended by being ignored
< 1220291312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1220291322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be pretty hard to offend the bots, I think.
< 1220291325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell of a lot better than saying "Shut the fuck up, fungot!"
< 1220291326 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ( that kela can't complain about pay... i write programs for a new language, i would
< 1220291337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1220291345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1220291371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no need for TCP/IP support directly in intercal since cfunge have SOCK since about a week
< 1220291373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1220291451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is a bug in fungot I think
< 1220291453 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmmmmm... thats not going to refer me to a mistake. i still haven't gotten all that excited by emacs, but cmuscheme.el works well enough to need a new toplevel with threads already loaded? ie, you can
< 1220291463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't detect it lost connection
< 1220291480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAW >>> PING :orwell.freenode.net <<< *long ago* was last line
< 1220291492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it detects QUIT fine
< 1220291499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not timeout, I wonder why
< 1220291515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'll probably add it anyway for CLC-INTERCAL compatibility, as an expansion library
< 1220291520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220291552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, could be a cfunge bug of course, but I think I reflect if anything returns an error
< 1220291568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, good news btw: cfunge compiles under ICC
< 1220291577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICC?
< 1220291586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel's C Compiler
< 1220291590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220291593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well C++
< 1220291594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've had an idea
< 1220291595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does C too
< 1220291611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how easy would it be to compile cfunge under a non-POSIX C99 implementation?
< 1220291623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one which, in fact, had basically no standard library
< 1220291633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freestanding + I/O
< 1220291637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm well you need to mess up loading code since I use mmap() to make parsing code simpler
< 1220291658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and you have to drop SOCK, SCKE, PERL and a few other such fingerprints
< 1220291664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1220291668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mmap wouldn't be a problem
< 1220291669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mess with y command to push environment in some other way
< 1220291676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm planning to implement I/O with a reverse mmap, so to speak
< 1220291683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse mmap!?
< 1220291688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :files are kept in memory because there's nowhere else to keep them
< 1220291694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway FILE uses streams
< 1220291706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, apart from that, there may be more
< 1220291711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so streams are harder than mmap, but still possible and in fact quite easy
< 1220291719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you just need a couple of pointers inside the FILE structure)
< 1220291723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I should be catching most places that reflect, but not all.
< 1220291723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really studied free-standing ones
< 1220291733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it uses streams for o too
< 1220291745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well no idea where it locked up, didn't run it under a debugger
< 1220291751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you get no standard functions at all, and only the header files which are nothing but macros
< 1220291771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you would need to provide malloc/calloc/free/strdup and co.
< 1220291772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's limits.h, iso646.h, float.h, and one other which I can't remember right now
< 1220291784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that shouldn't be too hard, everyone uses malloc
< 1220291785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other
< 1220291792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and strdup is trivial to write once you've got malloc
< 1220291796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI ais523
< 1220291803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and there are probably a lot more, for example math.h stuff
< 1220291804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm going to have to implement malloc somehow
< 1220291805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220291807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use log() for some stuff
< 1220291817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin()/cos() and so on
< 1220291822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ugh, looks like I'm going to have to get a math library from somewhere then
< 1220291827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using floating point emulation as-is
< 1220291838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a pain because of all the bitwise operations
< 1220291858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I use sinf() and sinl() they are C99, but if you don't mind always using double you could just replace the f/l versions with the plain ones
< 1220291872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, think of fingerprints like FPDP FPSP
< 1220291879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they assume float is 32-bit and double 64-bit
< 1220291883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: float is easier than double, or at least faster
< 1220291887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they will crap out *badly* if that isn't true
< 1220291890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I went and stuck with usual 32-bit assumptions for the compiler
< 1220291908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm what else, I use an xml writing library, but it is included in lib, there are a few more things in lib
< 1220291911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 100% of them
< 1220291913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char=8, short=16, int=32, long=32, long long=64, float=32, double=64
< 1220291914 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the bf compiler?
< 1220291915 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220291919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: tes
< 1220291920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway I use a lot more standard routines
< 1220291921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/tes/yes/
< 1220291928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not very easy then
< 1220291929 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: get newlib working on it
< 1220291930 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar
< 1220291933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I guess
< 1220291937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it would probably be easiest to use something like newlib
< 1220291939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I haven't really looked
< 1220291939 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have to port the asm bits and such
< 1220291941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ha, snap
< 1220291946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :)
< 1220291949 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1220291958 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i has idea
< 1220291968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdclib try this perhaps
< 1220291969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have assumed POSIX-2001 and C99 when I coded
< 1220291973 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i did os dev that seemed the best choice
< 1220291973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I use the nonstandard long double = 64 (and thus a synonym for double) because the C standard says I'm allowed to
< 1220291975 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's c99
< 1220291981 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very easy to modify to get working on your stuff
< 1220291992 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it's designed that you can configure it and perhaps change a few bits and it'll work
< 1220292003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that works ok, I only use long double in a few cases but non where size matters
< 1220292007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, public domain will be useful as this project is such a mess of licences at the moment
< 1220292010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be 80 bits on x86 anyway
< 1220292021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hasn't had a release since 2006 i think maybe there have been checkins since then though
< 1220292023 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so get the svn
< 1220292027 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it's a good basis if nothing else
< 1220292027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523,
< 1220292028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifndef __STDC_IEC_559__
< 1220292028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#  warning "cfunge requires the floating point support to conform to the IEC 60559 floating-point standard in order to work. Hoping this will work anyway...";
< 1220292028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif
< 1220292031 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code is very clear and clean
< 1220292039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just make the whole thing GPL3+ though, that would be legal and simplify matters
< 1220292040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume your stuff with spew warnings
< 1220292046 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: plz  gpl2+
< 1220292054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cfunge is GPL3+
< 1220292055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :already
< 1220292056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the version of gcc it's based on is GPL3+
< 1220292061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gah
< 1220292066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you seriously don't want me to rewrite gcc...
< 1220292067 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean you can't make it gpl2
< 1220292071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes
< 1220292073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid gcc.
< 1220292079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs richard stallman
< 1220292082 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid gpl3 :-P
< 1220292087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about llvm backend?
< 1220292091 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD
< 1220292093 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++
< 1220292100 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: totally.
< 1220292105 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind gpl2, really
< 1220292107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: why are you so upset with gpl3?
< 1220292118 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it makes the gpl more gply :)
< 1220292121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD means companies can reuse code without giving anything back
< 1220292125 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gpl2 has a barely-acceptable level of gpl
< 1220292129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, and?
< 1220292130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's their right
< 1220292135 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for them
< 1220292143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they add an awesome modification and it makes them rich and famous and they use it
< 1220292144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well that is what BSD doesn't suite me
< 1220292144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for them
< 1220292153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, bad luck, I go for GPL
< 1220292156 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: A license is not the correct place to argue against capitalism.
< 1220292162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I consider that everyone should share back
< 1220292170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, CC-by-sa-nc?
< 1220292171 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gpl is just propaganda that polyglots as a license.
< 1220292172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1220292184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be worse
< 1220292184 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That still denies commercial use.
< 1220292196 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A license is not the correct place to argue against capitalism. there are perfectly good outlets for that
< 1220292196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, which is what I want, unless they give back
< 1220292199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the gpl is just unproductive.
< 1220292202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPL allows commercial use
< 1220292211 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but not commercial use with modification without giving back
< 1220292216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: GPL3 is more forgiving than GPL2 on people who mess up
< 1220292228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well you can still sell a linux distro containing GPL software
< 1220292229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster. say google use your crappy search library but add tons of amazing things and it makes them the best search engine ever
< 1220292237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it allows commercial use with modification without giving back as long as they don't redistribute the result
< 1220292237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes indeed
< 1220292238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their business would be OVER if they had to release those changes
< 1220292244 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just unproductive
< 1220292250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inhouse use of modified GPL2/GPL3 is fine even without backcontributing
< 1220292252 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you'd prefer everyone just shared and be happy, well, that's a political position
< 1220292253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and?
< 1220292253 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hence, you kill google! Stop!
< 1220292256 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== not the place for a license.
< 1220292260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to support them
< 1220292263 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google is dying because of YOU!
< 1220292271 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ok, stop exaggerating
< 1220292272 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an example
< 1220292274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant and tusho: stop trolling
< 1220292277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of you
< 1220292280 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was not trolling, AnMaster
< 1220292282 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not trolling
< 1220292285 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just making a joke
< 1220292287 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to have an argument
< 1220292296 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, of course, i'm telling you that you're wrong
< 1220292299 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := obviously trolling, right?
< 1220292299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> inhouse use of modified GPL2/GPL3 is fine even without backcontributing
< 1220292303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is fine with me
< 1220292318 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but what if google use it in a desktop product
< 1220292320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> AnMaster. say google use your crappy search library but add tons of amazing things at it makes them the best search engine ever <-- actually they could do that even under GPL3 without backcontributing unless they sold or gave the code to someone else
< 1220292322 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :desktop search or whatever
< 1220292323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however making money from someone else's work without giving anything back...
< 1220292326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not under AGPL though
< 1220292331 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see, it's silly
< 1220292338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a website is not different from a dekstop app, fundamentally
< 1220292343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I would use AGPL for web apps anyway
< 1220292347 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agpl is more gply
< 1220292349 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even so
< 1220292350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's wrong.
< 1220292355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you think so
< 1220292359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you use Mac
< 1220292365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so of course you are a capitalist
< 1220292366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well suppose the desktop search which incorporates your code is buggy
< 1220292366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1220292368 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look, more AnMaster trolling
< 1220292369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't fix it
< 1220292372 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'hahaha you use apple products'
< 1220292374 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'CAPITALIST'
< 1220292391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I just do the same as you :P
< 1220292400 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, i was trying to have a reasoned argument
< 1220292407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you were trying to troll
< 1220292408 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fuck that, it's impossible to disagree with you without being called a troll
< 1220292411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are on ignore.
< 1220292433 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "AnMaster" >> .gitignore
< 1220292440 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: /ignore AnMaster
< 1220292444 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beaten by mere characters!
< 1220292450 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Git > *
< 1220292454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway back to the topic... you will need to drop some fingerprints, all floating point are in various fingerprints btw
< 1220292457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a curious definition of "beaten" there.
< 1220292469 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: gawlf
< 1220292471 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: gitirc?
< 1220292481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, further, file IO will need to be changed
< 1220292487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loading can be done from a string
< 1220292487 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: now that's what I call an idea!
< 1220292493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, while writing use streams
< 1220292497 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kills Judofyr before he implements
< 1220292503 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad Judofyr. bad!
< 1220292511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: wouldn't that command mean that files called AnMaster wouldn't be stored in your git repository?
< 1220292521 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220292529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't worry, streams are not a hard part of the C library to implement when all your files are stored in memory
< 1220292548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and well I use extern char **environ; need to handle that in some way
< 1220292556 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: file is kinda like a person, and repository is kinda like a channel....
< 1220292565 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I got to go!
< 1220292568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not sure what else there is...
< 1220292570 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :training ;)
< 1220292576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaddyatrain?
< 1220292581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye Judofyr
< 1220292585 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess!
< 1220292590 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220292591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well STDIO for terminal, but that should be easy
< 1220292596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall do no such thing
< 1220292598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed coding?
< 1220292601 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judo, perhaps?
< 1220292601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: harder than streams actually, it needs to be special-cased
< 1220292605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I use getline to read a line at once, then use my own internal buffer
< 1220292609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220292610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, buffered IO
< 1220292619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there is no other sort in brainfuck
< 1220292619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so fflush() and such are called
< 1220292621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: i'd never have guessed that
< 1220292625 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gone*
< 1220292634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: stop talking to AnMaster, it's confusing without his context.
< 1220292660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: why not, I'm fine with people ignoring each other but they should learn to live with half-conversations
< 1220292667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was a joke
< 1220292673 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: has AnMaster commented on my ignoring of him yet
< 1220292684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, we changed the subject
< 1220292691 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet he will now
< 1220292700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: for all I know e's ignoring you too
< 1220292708 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that'd be nice
< 1220292710 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you ask him if he is?
< 1220292715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone stop talking, i've ignored everyone, and i don't like missing anything
< 1220292722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: heeh
< 1220292724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ee/e/
< 1220292728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ok
< 1220292751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it when people make a big deal out of ignoring others
< 1220292762 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i personally don't give a shit if i'm being ignored
< 1220292774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, memcpy(), strcpy, various other stuff from string.h
< 1220292776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you said everyone should stop talking
< 1220292791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220292794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gcc needs the mem* functions in the standard library to work
< 1220292797 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220292799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: e was joking
< 1220292803 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you _really_ want to have conversations-via-an-intermediary, you can always use fungot's ^echo if you don't mind the duplicationary. (But don't do that.)
< 1220292804 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: seems to me to do that in the " better" language.
< 1220292804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i guess it's just making the statement people find me useless or annoying, but if they're ignoring me, what do i care what they think
< 1220292812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lies
< 1220292817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm apart from that... fprintf() snprintf() iirc
< 1220292832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, probably strtol()
< 1220292842 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo yo hi AnMaster
< 1220292842 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo hi AnMaster yo hi AnMaster
< 1220292844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atof() iirc in the floating point fingerprints
< 1220292848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm definitely going to try to find someone else's implementation of vsprintf, once you have that you can get all the others
< 1220292853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, vsprintf and vsscanf
< 1220292857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm not ignoring tusho, nor do I think he is ignoring me
< 1220292863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no *scanf
< 1220292870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use my own parsing
< 1220292877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily it's easy to find an infinitely long string buffer in a brainfuck program
< 1220292900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since I need to "stop one digit before overflow" rather than "clamp to MAX_INT"
< 1220292904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge specs heh
< 1220292941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um that has an issue
< 1220292947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sizeof() issue
< 1220292949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be exact
< 1220292957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof what?
< 1220292965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pointers
< 1220292971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a fixed size for them
< 1220292972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... another potential problem, is 16MB enough memory?
< 1220292972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C
< 1220292989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pointers are fixed size, they're 26 bits long padded to 32
< 1220293001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 bits for the sort of memory to look in, 24 for the location there
< 1220293001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um, depends. Normal programs: yes mycology: no
< 1220293005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh I found another thing
< 1220293022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need gettimeofday()
< 1220293033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a good resolution
< 1220293035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for HRTI
< 1220293045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, that's pretty tricky in brainfuck, I think I'll use the DJGPP solution
< 1220293053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to make the function always error out or return invalid data
< 1220293058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sysinfo need date and such too
< 1220293069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DJGPP's implementation of fork looks something like pid_t fork() {errno=ENOMEM; return -1;}
< 1220293070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well in that case I think cfunge may abort() on gettimeofday()
< 1220293075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just fail in other way
< 1220293079 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, nice
< 1220293087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway 16 MB isn't enough for mycology
< 1220293094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot simpler than cygwin's, but less useful
< 1220293107 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because of ff*ky or something else as well?
< 1220293110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since HRTI does a test calling y several times
< 1220293113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, exactly
< 1220293124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think without HRTI memory usage peek at around 11 MB
< 1220293126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well I'd probably try to compile fingerprintless cfunge
< 1220293126 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I guess I could do something about that
< 1220293127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least last I checked
< 1220293135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to compile C-INTERCAL too, but it has problems due to being a compiler
< 1220293136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was a while ago
< 1220293141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is probably a bit more now
< 1220293144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that I'd have to port gcc to brainfuck to really get it working
< 1220293153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm even core does some such stuff
< 1220293157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, write a brainfuck version of gcc
< 1220293180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time(NULL) to get current time in y
< 1220293183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gmtime()
< 1220293189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is in core
< 1220293199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge-93 would be a lot easier to handle there
< 1220293203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well y is going to have to lie in brainfuck without something like PSOX
< 1220293209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but befunge-98 need a lot more system interaction
< 1220293222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well you will have to claim you don't handle i or o either then
< 1220293239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and you will need to fake some environment variable and command line arguments
< 1220293245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be much of a problem, really
< 1220293247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are both terminated by double \0
< 1220293251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1220293258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try to do a GregorR and port a miniature OS to brainfuck
< 1220293262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if either is empty it cause confusion
< 1220293278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway the hash library I use for funge space may do other stuff
< 1220293282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is needed by core
< 1220293303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmap() and STDIO are, various string and memory routines
< 1220293338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, random()
< 1220293341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will you handle it?
< 1220293352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needed for ? instruction
< 1220293363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: using a deterministic method like Mersenne Twister, possibly prompting for random number seed on startup
< 1220293375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have it as an -mprompt-for-seed option to gcc, for instance
< 1220293383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I initialise it from current time
< 1220293405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's easy enough to define srandom() to a nop
< 1220293415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cringe*
< 1220293448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the more conforming way would be to get time() to return a magic value that causes srandom() to be a nop, and make it work in any other case
< 1220293462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, fingerprints I *remember* use floating point: 3DSP, BASE, FPSP, FPDP
< 1220293465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be more
< 1220293478 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is making no sense to me
< 1220293482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: luckily gcc comes with floating point emulation libraries
< 1220293485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err gettimeofday()
< 1220293486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is used
< 1220293507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		struct timeval tv;
< 1220293507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		if (gettimeofday(&tv, NULL)) {
< 1220293507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :			perror("Couldn't get time of day?!");
< 1220293507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :			exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
< 1220293507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		}
< 1220293509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that
< 1220293516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's POSIX, but I can handle it the same way as time() if needed, I'll get the C standard stuff working first, though
< 1220293517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it works
< 1220293520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		srandom(tv.tv_usec);
< 1220293526 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :side note: how to display tab as something other than ^I in irssi
< 1220293527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cfunge *is* POSIX
< 1220293528 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody know?
< 1220293535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never claimed it didn't make use of POSIX stuff
< 1220293539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just see mmap() for example
< 1220293557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I know, I was wondering how easy it would be to rip the problematic parts of POSIX out of it, probably not too hard but it would disable features
< 1220293564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running it unmodified would just be crazy
< 1220293579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh you want to drop most fingerprints out, of you need to link ncurses for example
< 1220293582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: /set expand_escapes on or something like that.
< 1220293583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't, but at least it's better than Konversation which displays tab as toggling italics
< 1220293587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very confusing
< 1220293588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or*
< 1220293593 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't know what else it expands when that toggle is on.
< 1220293606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, haha
< 1220293614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mine display it as a single space
< 1220293618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is rather odd
< 1220293619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok
< 1220293646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: isn't that for expanding \t to a tab character
< 1220293651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand I guess my ERC is nowdays spending more time in the hooks in my .emacs than in the core code ;)
< 1220293655 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so \t becomes that fugly ctrl-I as well :-P
< 1220293670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here on Mibbit it displays it as 8 spaces, I think
< 1220293683 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it did that thing.
< 1220293687 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll have to dig into the source and make a modification
< 1220293701 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You could plug a Perl script into it too if you like that more.
< 1220293710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway STDIO is needed for Befunge
< 1220293711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any befunge
< 1220293713 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that might be easier
< 1220293721 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might not like it more but it might be easier :-P
< 1220293727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, buffered STDIO too to be exact
< 1220293742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and working fflush(stdout)
< 1220293744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in what way does it need buffering?
< 1220293756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line buffering is easy because it hits buffering on the BF interp itself
< 1220293757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well the code of cfunge assumes that is happening
< 1220293774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most good BF interps have a setting to flush after each character of output
< 1220293778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I read one line of input at a time
< 1220293784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, then buffer it myself
< 1220293789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably use fgets()
< 1220293792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1220293793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well you get one line of input at a time
< 1220293797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use a gnulib function
< 1220293802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnulib getline()
< 1220293831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copied to support.c
< 1220293835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that do much the same thing as the ggets function that keeps getting posted to comp.lang.c?
< 1220293843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that does getc
< 1220293847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: scripts.irssi.org has tab_stop.pl.
< 1220293851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, huh?
< 1220293855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got no idea what ggets does
< 1220293861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man getline
< 1220293862 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a look
< 1220293863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1220293866 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "Replaces the evil inverted I with a configurable number of whitespaces"
< 1220293870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on any Linux
< 1220293878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any glibc system would have it in glibc
< 1220293879 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray for Stefan
< 1220293881 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cheers
< 1220293882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: reads to the next newline and returns a malloced string
< 1220293900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I use a few gnulib functions like this for glibc specific ones
< 1220293908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yes that is what it does
< 1220293918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway strndup() from gnulib too
< 1220293924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and strnlen()
< 1220293932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I got copies of both
< 1220293933 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@to196-057.resnet.stonybrook.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220293935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: AnMaster: dogface: I thought of a really evil way to do command line arguments for an esoprogram, I might use it for C-INTERCAL
< 1220293944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh?
< 1220293945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, a command line argument is one character
< 1220293947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including control codes
< 1220293955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it goes from a # to the next newline
< 1220293957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err?
< 1220293962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can have multicharacter options
< 1220293974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for instance you might have -a^D#version
< 1220293975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f
< 1220293978 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://waffles.fm/main.html <-- has waffles.fm bitten the dust?
< 1220293981 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo
< 1220293981 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	foo
< 1220293984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a command line argument with 4 options
< 1220293989 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, heh.
< 1220293993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Admin Login" is just "Login".
< 1220293994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^D represents control-D here)
< 1220293995 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, it works not
< 1220294010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was inspired by Nethack
< 1220294012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cfunge uses getopt() to parse command line arguments, it assumes the strict POSIX variant, so once it hits a non-parameter the rest is befunge program name and command line arguments for that program
< 1220294024 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ok.org/ totally needs something cooler than what is there
< 1220294025 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the evil inverted I is stronger than Perl
< 1220294029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those controls work great interactively, not so much over a command line, which is where the evil comes from
< 1220294050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well that's sane, getopt is easy to reimplement anyway
< 1220294051 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo	foo
< 1220294079 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Maybe it only replaces on privmsgs by others? Here's a tab: 	 ... I hope that was a tab.
< 1220294081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway if you don't use buffered STDIO a lot of befunge programs will behave strange
< 1220294089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for example returning too early
< 1220294090 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: evidently so
< 1220294095 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks :-/
< 1220294096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in input
< 1220294109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however you can tell that you use unbuffered in y
< 1220294119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1220294128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then programs like the wumpus in befunge won't work
< 1220294131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh...
< 1220294133 0 :ais523!i=93bc1bcc@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eedfbf2de2bff03a JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220294133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why leave
< 1220294139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm... I don't know
< 1220294139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what was the last you saw?
< 1220294145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was halfway through a sentence too
< 1220294150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> ais523, anyway if you don't use buffered STDIO a lot of befunge programs will behave strange
< 1220294150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> ais523, for example returning too early
< 1220294151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I hit back on my browser by mistake
< 1220294153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> ais523, in input
< 1220294153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> ais523, however you can tell that you use unbuffered in y
< 1220294154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but am not sure how
< 1220294156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> but then programs like the wumpus in befunge won't work
< 1220294156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> huh...
< 1220294156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> why leave
< 1220294162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was stuff other ppl said too
< 1220294167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hardly as important ;)
< 1220294170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1220294173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it will be buffered the same way as the BF interp
< 1220294183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most BF interps I know line-buffer input
< 1220294185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you have to say which way in y
< 1220294198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also it need to flush stdout before any input
< 1220294200 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You probably need to signal_add it to some other sensible signal in addition to only "server incoming". But at least you're not starting from scratch.
< 1220294204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge calls fflush() to do that
< 1220294207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can add -mbuffered-input, I'll get the user to tell me during compile
< 1220294219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um?
< 1220294225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1220294229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can add new options to gcc
< 1220294234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to tell you about the target CPU
< 1220294237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well buffered output too
< 1220294242 0 :psygnisf_!n=psygnisf@to196-057.resnet.stonybrook.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220294242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case the target "CPU" is actually a brainfuck interpreter
< 1220294244 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that may be what the FIXME: experimental is about :-P
< 1220294251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I already do my own buffer for input
< 1220294254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the user has to explain about the interp
< 1220294264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so input is less of a problem than output
< 1220294265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The whole script looks a bit iffy.
< 1220294268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume 8-bit wrapping, though, it's much more difficult and time-consuming otherwise
< 1220294290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway another issue, threads in befunge, I plan to create a fingerprint that will only block the current thread on IO, a new version of SOCK
< 1220294298 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also, I don't think I can /set anything to only spaces
< 1220294310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and for such I need non-blocking IO too
< 1220294314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, SCKE uses poll()
< 1220294314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well don't expect that to work in brainfuck, possibly not in C-INTERCAL either
< 1220294321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-blocking IO is fine for C-ITNERCAL though
< 1220294330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as in poll()?
< 1220294336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe select() too
< 1220294347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will be in fingerprints of course
< 1220294367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: select() will block the INTERCAL program too, but that's expected behaviour in a single-threaded program and I don't support concurrent
< 1220294371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh how does variable length structs work in GCC?
< 1220294378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume they are taken care of at a higher level?
< 1220294389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge use some structs with a foo bar[]; at the end
< 1220294392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 feature
< 1220294396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they're pretty trivial really, it just takes the address of the last struct member
< 1220294410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc used to have that as an extension
< 1220294417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its syntax was foo bar[0];
< 1220294431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw you may know:
< 1220294432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference between -fno-peephole and -fno-peephole2 is in how they are
< 1220294433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :           implemented in the compiler; some targets use one, some use the other, a few use both.
< 1220294434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220294438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if they accept C99 syntax too, probably they do because that probably wouldn't be a difficult change
< 1220294439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the difference exactly?
< 1220294467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: -fno-peephole turns off RTL to asm peepholing, -fno-peephole2 turns off RTL to RTL peepholing
< 1220294472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, gcc accepts the C99 syntax with -std=c99 at least
< 1220294481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTL is the last intermediate language in the chain of languages that gcc translates the program between
< 1220294484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220294485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is somewhat processor-dependent
< 1220294493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why so many?
< 1220294506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember GLIMPS or something like that being mentioned?
< 1220294507 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: At least /set does not seem to be trimming any leading whitespace, so maybe just "/set whatever   " to set to "  " or something. Haven't tried.
< 1220294514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the name
< 1220294517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, each frontend has its own internal representation, which is translated to GENERIC which is common between most of them
< 1220294523 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, I am messing around with it now and testing in a query
< 1220294550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's translated to GIMPLE in a more-or-less processor-agnostic way (although the way it translates varargs is dependent on processor)
< 1220294554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i invented a method of encoding
< 1220294561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah GIMPLE was the name
< 1220294562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then from GIMPLE it's translated to RTL
< 1220294565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you type out some keys, then your reciever types them out and they make shaped
< 1220294573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does your stuff handle varargs?
< 1220294573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edctgbf rfvetcb
< 1220294580 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(space means end of shape, start new one)
< 1220294581 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it
< 1220294588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think so, although I haven't tested that, or anything else for that matter
< 1220294591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it needs to handle printf
< 1220294603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant to handle varargs, and all other C89 features, also all C99 features that gcc have implemented
< 1220294625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, an idea for how to check for what functions are used just hit me
< 1220294628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tests
< 1220294631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes works
< 1220294631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I used to do that using calculator keypads
< 1220294636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm -D ./cfunge
< 1220294637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nm?
< 1220294637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, try that
< 1220294641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nm=never mind
< 1220294645 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here, have a smiley face
< 1220294649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm on Windows at the moment
< 1220294657 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vfr567ujnbrydvbhj
< 1220294657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       nm - list symbols from object files
< 1220294658 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it
< 1220294659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to forgetting to bring my laptop's power supply here
< 1220294665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       -D
< 1220294665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       --dynamic
< 1220294665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :           Display the dynamic symbols rather than the normal symbols.  This is only meaningful for dynamic  objects,  such  as  certain  types  of
< 1220294665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :           shared libraries.
< 1220294674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it lists imported functions too
< 1220294693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/0ge9DV43.html
< 1220294700 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :objdump would probably do it with different flags too.
< 1220294700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I used nm to find out which symbols in C-INTERCAL could cause namespace clashes and mangled them all
< 1220294705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm won't work for gcc-bf though
< 1220294709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course gcc will inline calls to memcpy and such on x86/x86_64 iirc
< 1220294714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using special low level stuff
< 1220294724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly because I implemented as as a front-end to cp
< 1220294729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ar as a front-end to tar
< 1220294738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed easiest, as the linker has to work on the asm implementation
< 1220294750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway a lot of those are only used in fingerprints, there is no way to disable compiling fingerprints, nor is it something I plan to do
< 1220294755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can disable them at runtime
< 1220294755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means that libgcc.a is in fact just a tar.gz of asm files with .o extensions
< 1220294761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is useful in mycology sometimes
< 1220294766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mess around with core
< 1220294773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and want to not have to scroll up a lot
< 1220294779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: disabling compiling fingerprints is trivial, you just remove them all from the fingerprint description file
< 1220294781 0 :psygnis__!n=psygnisf@to196-057.resnet.stonybrook.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220294781 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is not interested :(
< 1220294786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yeah
< 1220294793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I am slightly, but can't figure out what you were trying to say
< 1220294796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, except it will want one at least I think...
< 1220294800 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a smiley face
< 1220294819 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cde4567ujmnbvcrtfvg
< 1220294822 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps more legible
< 1220294823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: NULL is trivial
< 1220294825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smiley face is everything that has been said after tusho's last message
< 1220294831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone needed that cleared up
< 1220294831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think strange stuff may happen if it tries to use a for loop to iterate over a 0 length array...
< 1220294833 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220294835 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not  :P
< 1220294838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's jokes are so weird.
< 1220294843 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*his
< 1220294846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I use sizeof(array) / sizeof(record) nowdays
< 1220294847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck was that :\
< 1220294856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ending 0 entry
< 1220294867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm gonna poo and shit (pun intended) ->
< 1220294874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun
< 1220294877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: C's control structures are all designed to handle the 0-length edge case incidentally
< 1220294881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway... http://rafb.net/p/0ge9DV43.html are all the functions used by cfunge here
< 1220294884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except do-while, but you normally only use that one deliberately
< 1220294893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other symbols
< 1220294910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but NULL surely doesn't require standard library support
< 1220294914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor ROMA for that matter
< 1220294916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1220294920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few more ones iirc
< 1220294934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does roma do
< 1220294943 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220294947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, map some instructions to push roman numerals
< 1220294950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: interprets capital letters as roman numerals
< 1220294953 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220294983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, SUBR, INDV shouldn't use anything except malloc() and such either if even that
< 1220295007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REFC use malloc() but you can't get away without malloc() for cfunge at all
< 1220295009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously I'm going to have to implement malloc as just about every C program ever uses it
< 1220295019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise
< 1220295023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, malloc() calloc() free() memset() and a few more
< 1220295026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.*//
< 1220295038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster-without-anmaster is pretty zen
< 1220295039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memchr, memcpy
< 1220295043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think I'll implement all of stdlib.h, and find an implementation of stdio.h somewhere
< 1220295045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ??
< 1220295048 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get one person stating obvious things in a row for ages
< 1220295065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, string.h too
< 1220295071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use quite a bit from that
< 1220295073 0 :psygnisfive!i=82f5c439@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-39ae4e45bc821880 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220295079 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo hey guys
< 1220295094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc needs some headers on the target to exist to compile: string.h stdlib.h stdio.h time.h sys/types.h unistd.h
< 1220295099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I only edited the last two with touch
< 1220295103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they aren't standard C
< 1220295107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi psygnisfive
< 1220295107 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:14:17 <AnMaster> well I'm not ignoring tusho, nor do I think he is ignoring me
< 1220295109 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1220295113 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just logreading and saw that
< 1220295117 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got into my dorm :D
< 1220295122 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, you are actually on ignore :p
< 1220295133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: happy mailman reminders day by the way
< 1220295134 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: What's the point of the /ignore if you logread the stuff still?
< 1220295139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fat lot if I care
< 1220295141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: beat you to it yesterday
< 1220295145 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the australian agora list :)
< 1220295152 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i wanted to see if he's commented on my ignoring
< 1220295160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I wasn't here yesterday, and yesterday isn't mailman reminders day except in Australia
< 1220295172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because he doesn't like GPL and wants to troll, then goes on to ignore me
< 1220295174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he is strange
< 1220295178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all know that
< 1220295211 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:49:07 <AnMaster> tusho, map some instructions to push roman numerals
< 1220295215 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you answer to /dev/null...
< 1220295221 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1220295253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:52:52 <AnMaster> just because he doesn't like GPL and wants to troll, then goes on to ignore me
< 1220295262 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry trying to have a reasoned argument, i'll just blindly agree with you in future
< 1220295262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, at the moment ABI has a %devnull register which throws away data moved into it
< 1220295267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do wish he stops highlighting me though
< 1220295267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will be optimised away later
< 1220295270 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, after i stop /ignoring you
< 1220295272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyway it can't be called ignore
< 1220295274 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might just forget for a year or so
< 1220295286 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone tell me how C++'s grammar is unrestricted please
< 1220295289 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:54:27 <AnMaster> I do wish he stops highlighting me though
< 1220295289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with tusho log reading
< 1220295293 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: AnMaster AnMaster AnMaster AnMaster
< 1220295295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he have to ignore log
< 1220295296 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnis__: logread.
< 1220295299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it isn't ignore
< 1220295300 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 linked to an article
< 1220295308 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: is in log?
< 1220295311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: C++ is compile-time TC
< 1220295311 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1220295318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hum
< 1220295320 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure how that works but ok :)
< 1220295325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why such a strange register
< 1220295334 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me
< 1220295339 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :botte.
< 1220295343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: using the template resolution mechanism
< 1220295345 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220295346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway brainfuck doesn't *have* registers
< 1220295350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'll just write a log searcher first
< 1220295351 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then botte
< 1220295356 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, good idea tusho
< 1220295358 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220295364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also tusho: I too was trying to have a reasoned argument
< 1220295365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220295365 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i make sure it already has the most recent logs...
< 1220295365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however
< 1220295366 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220295367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: due to generating code from filling in templates
< 1220295371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did ignore that
< 1220295376 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wait, it can't log-tail then
< 1220295376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just said what you thought
< 1220295379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring what I said
< 1220295389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hum?
< 1220295391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and register in asm = data stored at a fixed location on the tape in BF
< 1220295416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sorry, I meant to higlight psygnisfive on the comment before last rather than you
< 1220295423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway how will you handle pointers? I think the generated code would be spectacularly slow
< 1220295425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd been talking to you so much I typed the wrong name
< 1220295439 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile-time tc equals unrestricted grammar?
< 1220295446 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok! :D
< 1220295446 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: for c++
< 1220295448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, it will be, although pointers aren't that hard (just slow) and I've thought up several optimisations
< 1220295458 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: god, stop going oklopol! whenever he talks
< 1220295461 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: all TC == unrestricted grammar.
< 1220295462 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can tell.
< 1220295476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I don't think so necessarily, it rather depends on whether the grammar is the only thing relevant at compile-time
< 1220295484 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: having a tc type system automatically makes it impossible to parse in general?
< 1220295489 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i somewhat doubt that
< 1220295495 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i didnt say that :P
< 1220295499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean 1) pointers, lots of them 2) cells in funge space can't be less than 4 bytes
< 1220295500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be, say, that the grammar was type 3 but some other step in the compilation was TC
< 1220295508 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrestricted grammars are computationally equivalent to turing complete machines
< 1220295515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, about every app would break with sub-32-bit cells
< 1220295516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well pointers are 26 bits, padded to 32
< 1220295525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the cells are 32-bit
< 1220295534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that isn't brainfuck...
< 1220295537 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if C++ is compile-time TC then theres some unrestricted grammar that goes along with it
< 1220295545 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: everyone knows that; ais523: we were talking about whether parsing is tc, not just compilation; tusho: true
< 1220295546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck got unsigned 8 bit...
< 1220295549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes it is, the pointers are stored in 4 8-bit brainfuck cells
< 1220295554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220295559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like on an x86 system
< 1220295565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: wait which part was true
< 1220295566 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: oh
< 1220295566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is fine with storing data in more than one cell
< 1220295573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my telling psygnisfive not to okoping all the time?
< 1220295578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway cfunge uses function pointers
< 1220295582 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: for c++ it is true, in case it's true
< 1220295585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they're fine too
< 1220295585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how the heck do you handle that?
< 1220295588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use them everywhere
< 1220295588 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i know. apparently C++ is TC at compile time. earlier tho they said the syntax of C++ was itself unrestricted
< 1220295591 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure whether it is
< 1220295597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, huh... how can you do that in brainfuck
< 1220295602 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yeah i'm a bit confused too
< 1220295606 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think it is
< 1220295607 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what's the case
< 1220295608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: each segment of code has a number
< 1220295610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you need to jump in code a lot
< 1220295612 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it is
< 1220295614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220295615 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because unrestructed grammars are a pain in the ass to parse.
< 1220295618 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yo, you link him to the article.
< 1220295634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so every goto, label, and function call in the program is translated to a break in the BF code
< 1220295643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it stores the number of the next block of code in some dedicated registers
< 1220295652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and you probably want to sed out all occurrences of the word "inline" in cfunge ;P
< 1220295652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the whole body of the code is effectively a switch in a loop
< 1220295657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I don't know where it is offhand
< 1220295660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the resulting code would be HUGE
< 1220295662 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, k
< 1220295684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why, inline gives a better speed gain in BF than it does in other langs
< 1220295689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the resulting code's going to be HUGE anyway
< 1220295699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well code could grow a lot
< 1220295700 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A's type, or should i say kind, needs to be known @ "A < B > C", so it's unrestricted
< 1220295703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides the better way is probably to set gcc's inlining flags
< 1220295707 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's it really
< 1220295716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't allow inline to grow the code by more than 50% by default, for instance
< 1220295721 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: whats that mean now?
< 1220295721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll uninline things if it would
< 1220295724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah true
< 1220295737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can change that, might be helpful for your speed optimisation
< 1220295742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, haha
< 1220295763 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worryingly I'm trying to optimise gcc-bf's output too
< 1220295770 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i think i'd have to think for a while to answer that.
< 1220295771 0 :psygnis__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1220295772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume a run-length-encoding interp though
< 1220295785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is as fast as >
< 1220295786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, normal cfunge binary on x86, stripped, is around 109 KB
< 1220295787 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i'll just sleep
< 1220295787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using GCC
< 1220295791 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: :P whats it mean tho to say that its kind needs to be known at ~??
< 1220295794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is with -march=pentium3
< 1220295798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc 4.3
< 1220295815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what about the insane -O3 version with funroll loops?
< 1220295823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't have a copy around
< 1220295831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only other is 1.4 MB from debug info...
< 1220295836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1220295842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5 MB, it is -ggdb3
< 1220295842 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i meant you need to know whether A is a type or an object, really, i think; "kind" was definitely the wrong term, and i'm not sure it's hard to know which one A is
< 1220295847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw profile feedback won't work on gcc-bf
< 1220295851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor will any debug format
< 1220295855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-g gives a warning that it was ignored
< 1220295857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I assume that :P
< 1220295861 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i dont see how thats relevant to the syntax tho, see
< 1220295863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it wont*
< 1220295872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor will nested functions, but those aren't standard C anyway
< 1220295889 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well in case the types are TC, you need to resolve that stuff before you can parse A<B>C
< 1220295890 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1220295897 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't parse all cases at all
< 1220295902 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the type system can infloop
< 1220295903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as far as I know I got no nested functions
< 1220295910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is C99 + POSIX
< 1220295917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well you shouldn't have, they aren't C99 or POSIX, just a gcc extension
< 1220295923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1220295924 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: oh right but types and stuff are done at compilation, they're not part of the syntax.
< 1220295934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're sort of like lambdas but less useful because they can't have any scoping other than auto
< 1220295935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, all GCC extensions I have (attributes mostly) are optiona
< 1220295937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optional
< 1220295939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ifdef
< 1220295948 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you need to do them at the same time as the compilation though
< 1220295949 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220295955 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same time as the parsing
< 1220295961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, my header files simply #define __attribute__(x) to nothing if __GNUC__ isn't defined
< 1220295963 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220295972 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't parse without knowing the types, and you can't know the types unless you've parsed the program
< 1220295977 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i doubt this. parse then verify.
< 1220295983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yeah I do a bit more since ICC support *some* attributes
< 1220295990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have spent an hour or so writing stdio.h
< 1220295996 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: different parse trees depending on types, that's definitely true of C++
< 1220295997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I was copying from glibc
< 1220296000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include <errno.h>
< 1220296003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's how it ended up LGPL2.1)
< 1220296008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cfunge will fail badly without errno
< 1220296021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an errno.h
< 1220296022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it defines errno
< 1220296024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's it
< 1220296040 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i still doubt that anything truly requires an unrestricted grammar. i cant even imagine how different types force different parses in a way that requires TCness.
< 1220296049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I should define numeric codes for the C99 errno codes, though
< 1220296054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the getline() from gnulib assumes that it will have reasonable values
< 1220296075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it's normally possible to rewrite programs around most restrictions
< 1220296076 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1220296089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL was POSIX originally, but I think it can be compiled without unistd.h nowadays
< 1220296093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor any of the functions from it
< 1220296104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well befunge98 requires date/time
< 1220296125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe Befunge-108 should have an option for freestanding Befunge
< 1220296128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't assume an OS
< 1220296129 0 :psygnisfive!i=82f5c439@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9c1ec2c2918571a9 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220296132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like there's freestanding C
< 1220296143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um, the interpreter would have to handle it still
< 1220296146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1220296151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how it would work
< 1220296160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be just a case of returning dummy information for some of y
< 1220296176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Befunge-98 already allows not implementing i and o
< 1220296235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you will have to remove the signal(SIGPIPE, SIG_IGN); thingy
< 1220296243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens in main.c
< 1220296245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/lUOFp085.html
< 1220296245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1220296249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be of interest
< 1220296257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course some are from fingerprints
< 1220296260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :core is a lot less
< 1220296260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh, what you just wrote is by definition a NOP in brainfuck
< 1220296266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're telling it to ignore something that can't happen anyway
< 1220296294 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220296303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like ABSTAIN FROM COMING FROM in INTERCAL-72
< 1220296305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you need a working printf anyway
< 1220296313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I wonder if C-INTERCAL correctly sees that as an error
< 1220296341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I'm going to implement or find from somewhere stdlib, stdio, and string, as programmers really assume they need those
< 1220296359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there are many programs using ABSTAIN FROM ABSTAINING
< 1220296400 0 :megatron!n=moozilla@207-118-44-201.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220296408 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1220296411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: probably not, when you're using ABSTAIN as control flow normally you aim for individual lines, and when you aim for a gerund it's usually NEXTING
< 1220296412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, stdint, stdbool and so on too
< 1220296429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: stdint's just macros, right? and stdbool is trivial in gcc
< 1220296442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well stdint is probably just typedefs
< 1220296451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for int32_t int64_t and such
< 1220296460 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1220296464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think cfunge may use int64_t for some other stuff even if funge space is 32-bit
< 1220296465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1220296481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes TURT fingerprint
< 1220296482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, LONG
< 1220296487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since that writes svg files...
< 1220296492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't want it anyway
< 1220296495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses math
< 1220296495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm using a nice generic implementation method
< 1220296500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for long integers
< 1220296507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, TURT too depends on math.h
< 1220296516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I could add support for 128-bit integers without much trouble (I already have 64-bit long long due to C99)
< 1220296529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I decided against implementing LONG because it is unportable between 32-bit and 64-bit funges
< 1220296530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :256-bit would be harder as gcc has no name for a data type that large internally
< 1220296537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :causing programs to be unportable rather
< 1220296538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1220296546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still faced with much the same problem, though
< 1220296560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is: what's the most efficient way to multiply 64-bit numbers in 8-bit brainfuck?
< 1220296561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is some vector extension?
< 1220296567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and GCC got __int128_t at least
< 1220296576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't use the vector extension
< 1220296587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and __int128_t will currently be emulated in software by gcc
< 1220296593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes i know it will
< 1220296599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it will use SSE I guess
< 1220296601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will probably result in more or less the same code anyway
< 1220296602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on x86_64
< 1220296610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, I was talking about gcc-bf
< 1220296622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fine with 64-bit numbers (it stores them in 8 consecutive registers or memory locations)
< 1220296634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how many registers do you have=
< 1220296635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1220296645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 ordinary registers
< 1220296652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 fixed registers at current
< 1220296653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how many special purpose?
< 1220296658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220296658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably I'll have more eventually
< 1220296660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :program counter?
< 1220296663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what else?
< 1220296664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fixed = gcc's name for special purpose)
< 1220296672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what ones are they
< 1220296689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 registers which are a combined pc and cc0, and one scratch register
< 1220296701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw I was thinking of generating code at runtime, using JIT with LLVM, could be rather interesting
< 1220296706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I have stack pointer and a stack of frame pointers, but they're represented in unary for speed
< 1220296709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think JITing funge would work
< 1220296715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably
< 1220296716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably won't do it
< 1220296746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cfunge's stack can grow rather large I think
< 1220296758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably outside what 8 bits could represent for size
< 1220296777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what is cc0 btw?
< 1220296790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well gcc-bf supports an unlimited size stack, but you can't take pointers to it or pass structures to or from functions if it grows beyond 16 MB
< 1220296803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm 16 MB no
< 1220296805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: condition code, which holds the result of a comparison
< 1220296812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe a few kb on stac
< 1220296813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack*
< 1220296824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I do take pointers to stuff on stack all the time
< 1220296842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not a problem, the stack pointer is represented by two consecutive 0s in a long run of 1s on every sixth tape element
< 1220296848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I prefer variable on stack and pointer rather than having to remember to free
< 1220296855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can get to the stack pointer easily with [[>>>>>>]>>>>>>]
< 1220296868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes better code IMO
< 1220296873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless variables are large
< 1220296875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pointers to the stack are 24-bit integers with an extra byte stating that they're on the stack
< 1220296876 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1220296886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I agree with you, alloca was probably invented for that purpose
< 1220296896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I got some 1024 * 8 bytes arrays on stack in one function or another iirc
< 1220296897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity it isn't standard C really, probably some systems can't manage it
< 1220296899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming 64-bit funge
< 1220296907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024 * 4 otherwise
< 1220296917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it may be char buf[1024]
< 1220296917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 8KB is fine, although might take a while to access
< 1220296919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remmeber
< 1220296941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW can cfunge cope with 16-bit int?
< 1220296947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no
< 1220296952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ought to be able to if you use types correctly, hardly anyone does though
< 1220296954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not
< 1220296957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL can't, I know
< 1220296961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well maybe
< 1220296965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1220296980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably use int32_t most of the time
< 1220296982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally I should be able to set sizeof(int)=2 in gcc-bf, but everything assumes it's 4 nowadays so I'll have it as a command-line option
< 1220296983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not sure
< 1220297026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway stack won't ever get 16 MB
< 1220297030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heap can probably
< 1220297074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know how to implement pointers larger than 26-bit
< 1220297090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... how many BF interpreters can cope with over 72 million successive > signs?
< 1220297091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, fingerprints use a *lot* of function pointers, remember that
< 1220297103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: function pointers are in a separate memory space
< 1220297103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have a static array with function pointers
< 1220297105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the loaders
< 1220297114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :static const array even
< 1220297115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which allows 16 mebifunctions
< 1220297122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 16 what?
< 1220297135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mebi=2^20 just like mega=10^6
< 1220297137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I got way more than 16 functions that I use function pointers to
< 1220297139 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 72 million? that's what, 300 megabytes of memory?
< 1220297142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....
< 1220297148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no, 72 megabytes
< 1220297158 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is each cell not 4 bytes
< 1220297162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so you have over 16 million total functions + labels
< 1220297167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah ok
< 1220297168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no, 8-byte cells
< 1220297176 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so then it's more like 600 megabytes
< 1220297178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you store an int it's stored in 4 successive cells
< 1220297189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I do use goto for error handling in FILE and SOCK where I need similiar clean up paths in a lot of cases
< 1220297195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise goto is very very sparse
< 1220297198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses a bit over 72 million cells
< 1220297199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ever outside those two
< 1220297209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: everything's translated into goto in the asm anyway
< 1220297215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't matter what it was in your code
< 1220297217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I meant at C level
< 1220297225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while is a convenience for the programmer, not for the compiler
< 1220297227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err
< 1220297228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not goto
< 1220297230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call/ret
< 1220297237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure of that functions call are not goto
< 1220297242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you couldn't return
< 1220297244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: call/ret is also translated into goto the way I'm doing things
< 1220297250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pushes a label onto the stack first
< 1220297253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then gotos the function
< 1220297253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh btw I sometimes return structs
< 1220297256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by value
< 1220297259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the function pops a label from the stack
< 1220297261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually just in one place
< 1220297266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I still do it there
< 1220297271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if you can handle that
< 1220297278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a { x, y } struct
< 1220297282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you're using gcc, no you don't, it automatically rewrites that as pass by reference
< 1220297301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the struct's 64 bits or smaller it stores it in a long long instead and it doesn't matter that it's a struct
< 1220297301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm doesn't make sense since I construct that in *return*
< 1220297303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like:
< 1220297318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return (fungeVector) { .x = x, .y = y };
< 1220297319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that
< 1220297327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure where it would place the reference
< 1220297352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the function that calls it allocates space for a fungeVector on the stack and passes a pointer to it to the function that returns a fungeVector
< 1220297362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ugh
< 1220297368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the function returning a fungeVector stores in the memory referenced by that pointer
< 1220297376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but that breaks AMD64 ABI
< 1220297377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's how gcc and most other compilers handle struct returns
< 1220297387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD64 ABI would return that struct in registers
< 1220297388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1220297390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it modifies it to conform with ABIs if possible
< 1220297403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does use registers for things 64-bit and smaller, I think
< 1220297412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except to conform with someone else's ABI
< 1220297425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, but I'm not sure, that AMD64 ABI splits such a struct up over 2 registers...
< 1220297432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably can handle 128-bit structs too on systems which can normally return long long longs in registers, don't know how many of those exist though
< 1220297434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find the pdf atm
< 1220297448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long long long?
< 1220297449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that exist?
< 1220297450 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just compile with optimizations on and look at the asm
< 1220297458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance atm the gcc-bf ABI returns 64-bit integers and structs in registers r0-r7
< 1220297468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no it doesn't, but what else could you call a 128-bit int?
< 1220297478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, int128_t
< 1220297495 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1220297496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but long long long has a swing to it
< 1220297531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1220297582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long short
< 1220297592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I want 24-bit ints!
< 1220297594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :48-bit too
< 1220297600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why on earth?
< 1220297602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1220297604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a whole lot of missing lengths of integers
< 1220297612 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what would long short be?
< 1220297614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually mysql has a 24-bit data type AFAIR
< 1220297616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct foo { unsigned int bar:24; }
< 1220297618 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1220297619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that *may* work
< 1220297622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about negative half trit
< 1220297623 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220297626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit field
< 1220297628 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turkey booooooooooomb!
< 1220297635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: interesting, I wonder if that's 3 bytes on gcc-bf?
< 1220297644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've told the compiler not to pad anywhere unless the user asks for it
< 1220297647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to make whole bytes
< 1220297651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I never tried anything but one bit bitfields
< 1220297665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but iirc other values than 1 work too
< 1220297675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most compilers will give you a 32-bit struct if you do that
< 1220297680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 8 bits of padding
< 1220297688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on most processors
< 1220297699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but will access it like a 24-bit unsigned int
< 1220297706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by ignoring the top 8 bits
< 1220297707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cfunge uses bitfields, I made sure the structs had as few holes as possible on x86 and x86_64 using both 32-bit and 64-bit funges
< 1220297711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried all combos
< 1220297719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used a tool the kernel developers made: pahole
< 1220297728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reads the debug info from -g and lists any holes
< 1220297731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I know, you told me earlier
< 1220297731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nifty tool
< 1220297738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did?
< 1220297740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got good memory
< 1220297745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike me
< 1220297778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway how do you do bitfields in your gcc-bf?
< 1220297788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: badly
< 1220297795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes lots of bitwise operations
< 1220297798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as in slow? or incorrect?
< 1220297804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: very slow but correct
< 1220297805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well cfunge will be hellish slow then
< 1220297809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of multiplication and division in loops
< 1220297817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since it accesses a few bitfields for every instruction executed
< 1220297828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically: isStringMode
< 1220297829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1220297841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait more than that
< 1220297847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	ipMode                      mode;          ///< String or code mode.
< 1220297848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	bool                        needMove:1;    ///< Should ipForward be called at end of main loop. Is reset to true each time.
< 1220297848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	bool                        stringLastWasSpace:1; ///< Used in string mode for SGML style spaces.
< 1220297848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably it would be worth having a mode that unpacked the bitfields into one unsigned char per bitfield
< 1220297849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is it
< 1220297864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not really on x86/x86_64
< 1220297866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked there
< 1220297875 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1220297876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :avofs
< 1220297876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no noticable difference
< 1220297878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think it's probably a lot faster on gcc-bf if you don't have many bits in your bitfield
< 1220297887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but chars will still be faster still
< 1220297888 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, some intercal code! in the wild!
< 1220297892 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coooooooool
< 1220297892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is another one:
< 1220297893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	bool                        fingerSUBRisRelative:1; ///< Data for fingerprint SUBR.
< 1220297900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: whwew did you find it?
< 1220297910 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'd tell you but then i'd have to kill you
< 1220297915 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a good deal overall i think
< 1220297928 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ew, bitfields
< 1220297934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why?
< 1220297937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are these constant structs?
< 1220297940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do they change over time
< 1220297943 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I was just about to ask you :-P
< 1220297943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no that is in ip struct
< 1220297947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it changes a lot
< 1220297954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220297959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and is checked once every time in main loop
< 1220297962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1220297965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is
< 1220297971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I suspect gcc-bf will be painfully slow if run on an ordinary BF interpreter
< 1220297975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needMove in concurrent funge
< 1220297979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ??
< 1220297987 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why bitfields
< 1220297992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why not?
< 1220298009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could create one that reverse compile it to C...
< 1220298010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1220298018 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more code, and probably slower
< 1220298029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, as I said, there was no noticable difference
< 1220298037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well I'm going to litter the output with optimisation data
< 1220298041 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, probably not noticeable
< 1220298052 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's one extra instruction for each access :-P
< 1220298052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as @4 to mean "the pointer is now at cell 4 of the tape"
< 1220298056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and I'm not that speed crazy
< 1220298068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, plus this means it will fit into my L2 cache ;)
< 1220298070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1220298093 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: surely it'd be cached anyway
< 1220298095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not L1?
< 1220298103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is a sempron
< 1220298106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREEN THINGS!!
< 1220298110 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREN THINGS DEVEOTED TO MACHINESSSSSSSSSSS
< 1220298111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so very very SMALL cache
< 1220298114 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDFSDS;DFSL;FKSDFL;KD;AKD;ASDK;ASDK;ALSD^G^G^G^G
< 1220298115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about nothing fits
< 1220298122 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DDDDDDD:DDDDD
< 1220298129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck even the P3 near here got larger cache
< 1220298130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KJLjkLJklJKLjLjkLJlkJljKLjlkklJ
< 1220298132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slower yes
< 1220298134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more cache
< 1220298139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you could probably fit a BF interp written in asm into it, those can be very small indeed
< 1220298141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_XXXXXXXXXX
< 1220298145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cache size      : 128 KB
< 1220298148 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,o/ /// o\,
< 1220298150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from /proc/cpuinfo
< 1220298154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the P3 got twice that
< 1220298157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 KB isn't very small!
< 1220298167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course it will have lot of other stuff
< 1220298169 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HO HO I HEARTY LAFF
< 1220298171 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAFFLAFLAFLAFLALFAF
< 1220298171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than just hte ip struct
< 1220298181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "very small" I thought you meant a few hundred bytes, that's what I'm used to working with sometimes
< 1220298189 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO YOU LAF
< 1220298192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah
< 1220298193 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PIGS HOW DO YOU LAFGHU
< 1220298197 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dddd
< 1220298227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, modern x86 can have caches larger than 2-3 MB these days
< 1220298241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: even in the L1?
< 1220298244 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: L1 caches, nope
< 1220298247 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+for
< 1220298255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed not for L1
< 1220298261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for L1 the most I seen is 512 kb
< 1220298264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1220298279 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iDISAGREElol,wiht ur jiaoj ioj
< 1220298292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we have a randomness generator in here?
< 1220298308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we have at least two. optbot, fungot, hi!
< 1220298308 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If anybody wishes: Throw a runtime exception with the message "I'm in ur channel throwin ur exceptionz."
< 1220298309 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: paste all the urls i've visited. strange.) an earlier version of sql but not without? :p. ugh i need to enter " qemu" to edit a file that has ?scm ( fnord " source-file.scm"))
< 1220298313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comic effect lol
< 1220298315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 3
< 1220298316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1220298317 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo optbot
< 1220298317 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot optbot
< 1220298318 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: !bf8 +[<+>+<+>+<+>+<+]
< 1220298318 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: even ignoring the fact that you've read his book
< 1220298318 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: it was too easy heh one time i figured out my bug :d)
< 1220298319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, fungot optbot
< 1220298319 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you lose, by a lot
< 1220298319 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Knock knock.
< 1220298320 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it doesn't look like it does the fnord i want to do is to write a render procedure for sdl is just a value that prints as void. it is a load of hell. twice. most confusing. :p ( although theoretically speaking i could try.
< 1220298320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them
< 1220298321 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: i'm certain he isn't annoying at all. the code i write, more should be all set)) f
< 1220298321 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: +2 5=7
< 1220298322 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: actually just parsing ski says. remember physics 103, modern physics, general functions i suppose.
< 1220298323 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: indeed. everything is subjective
< 1220298325 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: fopen(3) freebsd library functions manual fopen(3)
< 1220298326 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: the short way ;)
< 1220298327 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: i made it up as much as cheap jokes would like you to die, but it does not render via cocoa, and qt/ kde
< 1220298328 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Jim is pretty much a light Tcl interpreter, with nice things like "closures" added.
< 1220298366 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3
< 1220298373 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 COMIC EFFECT CLEAN MAKER 2!!!!!!
< 1220298564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway if you want floating point to work with cfunge means float will be exactly 32-bit and double exactly 64-bits
< 1220298575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I have to mess around with unions
< 1220298579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some fingerprints
< 1220298594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, those are exactly the sizes of floating point I'm using
< 1220298595 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: aren't there float32_t types
< 1220298598 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some such
< 1220298599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although long double = double
< 1220298604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, nop
< 1220298612 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoorays for standard C
< 1220298617 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hip hip, hooray
< 1220298619 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hip hip, hooray
< 1220298619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is fine, while I do use long double I never depend on it's size
< 1220298620 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hip hip, hooray
< 1220298621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't think so, systems on which float wasn't 32 bits almost certainly wouldn't implement them so it would be pointless
< 1220298639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: float formats are a lot more varied than int formats
< 1220298639 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why wouldn't they
< 1220298692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cfunge will need both sin() and sinf() then, and you would just map sinl() to sin()
< 1220298717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: different processors have different sort of float support, for instance things like the 387 work in 80-bit float internally, so it can cause problems by having too much precision internally as double is only 64
< 1220298731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220298735 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why would that be a problem
< 1220298739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and long double on x86_64 is 128-bits
< 1220298743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses SSE
< 1220298746 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an algorithm that relies on a certain bittiness is broken anyway
< 1220298760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one example, most compilers have an option to emulate exact 64-bit double and normally just switch between 64 and 80 at will because normally too much precision is not a problem
< 1220298799 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I still don't see why that would prevent a float32_t from existing
< 1220298804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gcc has options to work exactly to the spec and use exactly the right amount of precision by copying the float values into memory and back every operation
< 1220298825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it would have to be implemented in software, slowing the program down a lot and requiring floating point emulation libraries
< 1220298843 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't have to have any specific characteristics
< 1220298860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have 36-bit floats you can have 32-bit floats which just have 4 bits of the exponent always zero
< 1220298860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> but gcc has options to work exactly to the spec and use exactly the right amount of precision by copying the float values into memory and back every operation
< 1220298861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220298862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220298868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can set the precision
< 1220298870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some instruction
< 1220298872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure
< 1220298894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's one of the -mwhatever options on x86, I know because I was reading the gcc manual last night
< 1220298900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jkjlkjlfkdjkdlfjfdg
< 1220298906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIS523 AnMaster Deewiant AIS523 AnMaster Deewiant AIS523 AnMaster Deewiant AIS523 AnMaster Deewiant AIS523 AnMaster Deewiant AIS523 AnMaster Deewiant AIS523 AnMaster Deewiant AIS523 AnMaster Deewiant AIS523 AnMaster Deewiant AIS523 AnMaster Deewiant
< 1220298921 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: congrats, you're the first person I've ignored in years
< 1220298927 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1220298941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um -mpc64 ?
< 1220298972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but iirc that sets some floating point control register
< 1220298974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such
< 1220298980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think so, but I can't remember what the option was offhand, it had some long name
< 1220298989 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mfpmath rings a bell, related?
< 1220298999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that is for selecting x87 or see
< 1220299001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sse*
< 1220299008 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1220299019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       -m96bit-long-double
< 1220299019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       -m128bit-long-double
< 1220299024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be that
< 1220299029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are for alignment in structs
< 1220299060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i can get ignored by everyone in #esoteric
< 1220299061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would rock
< 1220299081 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, ais523: are you sure you don't mean -ffloat-store?
< 1220299097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, that might be it
< 1220299104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do not store floating point variables in registers -- This option prevents undesirable excess precision --"
< 1220299118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1220299120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220299128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well I just ignored you to help you with your mission, I'll probably unignore you again in a bit
< 1220299130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about setting the control register of x87?
< 1220299134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet
< 1220299136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 99% sure that is possible
< 1220299138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: /ignore me, would you?
< 1220299146 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNNY JOKE POSSIBILITY:
< 1220299150 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie stays silent
< 1220299153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, I don't plan to ignore tusho
< 1220299154 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...because he's already ignoring me
< 1220299154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, that's what I was thinking of
< 1220299170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentally sure
< 1220299173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not with client
< 1220299182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironic that tusho can't read this
< 1220299204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll paste it, I'm ignoring tusho but I don't think tusho's ignoring me
< 1220299211 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not
< 1220299216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:59	AnMaster	funny, I don't plan to ignore tusho 19:59	AnMaster	mentally sure 19:59	AnMaster	but not with client 19:59	AnMaster	ironic that tusho can't read this
< 1220299226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes now he can
< 1220299226 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster i see you
< 1220299229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you with my eyes
< 1220299229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you pasted it
< 1220299230 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather
< 1220299233 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :through ais523's eyes.
< 1220299243 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo HELLO WORLD HEAR ME ROAR
< 1220299244 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO WORLD HEAR ME ROAR HELLO WORLD HEAR ME ROAR
< 1220299247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't plan to paste back what tusho said
< 1220299251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be too silly
< 1220299252 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!ah this is better
< 1220299253 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah this is better
< 1220299262 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!so Deewiant... adhisaweh8q2y381786*(y88 PANCAKES
< 1220299262 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Deewiant... adhisaweh8q2y381786*(y88 PANCAKES
< 1220299263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep
< 1220299267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might logread it later
< 1220299307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does c-intercal compile with ICC?
< 1220299322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: never tried, it should compile with most things though
< 1220299336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, icc supports a lot of GCC extensions btw, it even defines __GNUC__ by default to get GNU specific stuff from system headers
< 1220299336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even used to compile with pre-C89 C
< 1220299362 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220299370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cfunge manage without those (-no-gcc to ICC)
< 1220299405 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/python.png
< 1220299417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah it will have to wait since I can't do out of tree build
< 1220299424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't feel like making a copy of the source
< 1220299425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1220299455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1220299465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, *HINT HINT*
< 1220299522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as I don't have icc on my amd64 (for obvious reasons) I would nfs mount the source and compile it on the p3 using icc
< 1220299523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to me building out of tree is just extra complexity to the user, besides it does build out of tree just the out of tree place it builds is a fixed place elsewhere in the tree
< 1220299543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that is not really out of tree
< 1220299553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally have several different builds of cfunge
< 1220299556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on same source
< 1220299563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them out of tree thus
< 1220299589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well you can create a new tree with just the base directory with configure and an empty lib, include, bin, and temp, symlink the src directory, and reconfigure
< 1220299598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how you do an out of tree C-INTERCAL build
< 1220299604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly that isn't obvious though
< 1220299606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that seems complex
< 1220299616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but I suggest supporting it the real way
< 1220299616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220299686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty easy to support actually, you could just have the configure script create lib include bin and temp, and symlink src, then compile the normal way
< 1220299696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have an out-of-tree-configure which was a wrapper
< 1220299701 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping
< 1220299785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I suggest doing it like everyone else does
< 1220299805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> ais523, well I suggest doing it like everyone else does <--- I think you are missing the point of INTERCAL
< 1220299825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah
< 1220299826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220299904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is the command to check out darcs now again?
< 1220299912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of intercal
< 1220299915 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1220299924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember
< 1220299946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs pull http://code.eso-std.org/c-intercal/
< 1220299957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs failed:  Unable to "darcs pull" here.
< 1220299957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to be in a repository directory to run this command.
< 1220299960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220299961 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs get
< 1220299965 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 can't see that
< 1220299968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think AnMaster can
< 1220299970 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can, say yes
< 1220299971 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll logread
< 1220299971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah thanks tusho
< 1220299973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes I can, I unignored you about 2 minutes ago
< 1220299981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the first thing you did since
< 1220299994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/did/said/
< 1220300023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does darcs work over nfs?
< 1220300038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no idea, I don't see why not though
< 1220300096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-xK -march=pentium3 -O3 -ipo -no-prec-div
< 1220300099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think*
< 1220300120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, please makde config.sh +x
< 1220300123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be very useful
< 1220300133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: bug in darcs, it is at my end but darcs forgets file permissions
< 1220300138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the most famous bug in darcs
< 1220300142 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a bug
< 1220300143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a feature
< 1220300144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1220300162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, it's a bug, just it's really difficult to fix for some reason or they would have fixed it already I suspect
< 1220300165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking for gcc... icc
< 1220300166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1220300173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
< 1220300176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. whatever
< 1220300178 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: darcs development has slooooooooowed to a crawl
< 1220300182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it check for __GNUC__
< 1220300185 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a buncha people are switching darcs -> git
< 1220300190 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's on death row, it just doesn't know it yet
< 1220300199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, && !defined(__INTEL_COMPILER)
< 1220300213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that test is to see if gcc extensions can be used
< 1220300215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/oil.y(466): remark #810: conversion from "int" to "char" may lose significant bits
< 1220300215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :          buf[bi++]=c;
< 1220300215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   ^
< 1220300215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1220300220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other tests for things like command line arguments
< 1220300231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/dekludge.c(55): remark #1419: external declaration in primary source file
< 1220300231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  extern void prexpr(node *np, FILE* fp, int freenode); /* AIS */
< 1220300231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              ^
< 1220300231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220300252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there should be no extern in C files in icc's opinion
< 1220300255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree most of the time
< 1220300261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one case in cfunge
< 1220300266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extern char **environ;
< 1220300267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, and storing the result of getchar in a char is a reasonable thing to do IMO once you've verified separately that it isn't EOF
< 1220300277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what about extern int errno?
< 1220300278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, agreed
< 1220300281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wrong
< 1220300283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use errno.h
< 1220300284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always
< 1220300290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since at least here it is not an int
< 1220300293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but that's included into your source
< 1220300294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is something more complex
< 1220300297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is rentrant
< 1220300299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is not
< 1220300315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include <errno.h>
< 1220300318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always
< 1220300323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I know, that's how I do it too
< 1220300333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm saying is shouldn't it complain about the extern in errno.h?
< 1220300341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is a header
< 1220300342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it give header files a free pass?
< 1220300344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different
< 1220300349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes indeed it does
< 1220300358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :icc: command line remark #10148: option '-W' not supported
< 1220300359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :icc: command line warning #10120: overriding '-O2' with '-O3'
< 1220300359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220300365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if you want all warnings try -Wall
< 1220300373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has both -W and -Wall I think
< 1220300378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ICC doesn't
< 1220300385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so better check such stuff
< 1220300390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-W is the old name for -Wextra in gcc, and C-INTERCAL is stuck in the past
< 1220300400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, consider being portable?
< 1220300409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you still work on DOS
< 1220300414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not work on ICC correctly
< 1220300415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's portable in theory but hasn't been tested on non-gcc compilers for years
< 1220300420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so some gccisms may have snuck in
< 1220300424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without anyone noticing
< 1220300441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/abcess.h(210): remark #193: zero used for undefined preprocessing identifier
< 1220300441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  #if (MULTITHREAD != 0) || (YUKDEBUG != 0) || defined(ICK_EC)
< 1220300441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             ^
< 1220300442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, some of the external calls stuff relies on gnu ld to work
< 1220300444 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who agrees with me: random noise pixels look pretty
< 1220300445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what that is
< 1220300446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^
< 1220300456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it may not do what you want
< 1220300462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try defined()
< 1220300471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, I do, it's a little-known feature of the C preprocessor which is confusing
< 1220300481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ?
< 1220300483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that undefined preprocessing identifiers are treated as 0 in #if
< 1220300492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220300494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1220300495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why use that
< 1220300504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/abcess.h(112): remark #310: old-style parameter list (anachronism)
< 1220300504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  extern void ick_resize();
< 1220300512 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was just logreading
< 1220300513 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster:
< 1220300514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try adding a void in there?
< 1220300516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boohoo, anachronism
< 1220300519 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercal is meant to be different in every way
< 1220300521 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares, it's correct
< 1220300522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no reason at all.
< 1220300524 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get that in to your head.
< 1220300528 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1220300541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220300545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, will LOVE this
< 1220300546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/lexer.l(308): (col. 13) remark: REVERSED LOOP WAS VECTORIZED.
< 1220300547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/lexer.l(307): (col. 13) remark: REVERSED LOOP WAS VECTORIZED.
< 1220300547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/lexer.l(306): (col. 13) remark: REVERSED LOOP WAS VECTORIZED.
< 1220300552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I probably would have if I caught it earlier, I had to add prototypes to bits of C-INTERCAL earlier, though
< 1220300554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look it optimised c-intercal!
< 1220300555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use SSE
< 1220300562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vectorised loops
< 1220300566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know tusho loves such
< 1220300570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care...
< 1220300578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gcc does that too at -O3, it just doesn't tell you about it unless you ask it to
< 1220300586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, try protoize
< 1220300591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comes with gcc iirc
< 1220300601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I hadn't heard about it back then and the conversion was years ago
< 1220300603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well default is to tell
< 1220300610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how can you get gcc to tell you btw?
< 1220300629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not sure by the way, it's probably in one of the debugging dumps
< 1220300638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220300641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc tends not to have options to shout at you whenever it does an optimisation
< 1220300660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yesterday for fun I turned on all the debug dumps on a very simple program and it created about 100 of them
< 1220300667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well there are optimising log verbosity(sp?) level for icc
< 1220300681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to stdout though
< 1220300689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :temp/oilout03.c(3): remark #1418: external function definition with no prior declaration
< 1220300689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  int optimize_pass1_3(node *np)
< 1220300706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it thinks there should either be a prototype in a header or it should be static
< 1220300718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and GCC will say that too with the right switches
< 1220300733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there is in most cases, that function results from splitting optimize_pass1 into smaller pieces so it doesn't crash gcc on ia64 though
< 1220300738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bug was reported by Debian
< 1220300748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm here is one that *could* be bad, or *could* be just a false positive:
< 1220300749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :temp/oilout01.c(106): remark #981: operands are evaluated in unspecified order
< 1220300750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      x=x3; c=c3; if(!(!(x&2863311530LU)&&iselect(x,1431655765LU)==xselx(iselect(x,1431655765LU)))) break;
< 1220300756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                                 ^
< 1220300764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not bad
< 1220300773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iselect and xselx are both pure functions
< 1220300783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't matter which order they're evaluated in
< 1220300799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well how do you do linking?
< 1220300800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling ld?
< 1220300803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or calling compiler?
< 1220300809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling compiler
< 1220300812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ICC will break if you call ld
< 1220300813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good
< 1220300814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using shell expansion
< 1220300824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, icc will do cross-object optimising
< 1220300826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$CC oilout*.o
< 1220300830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it will put those together again
< 1220300837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and crash on IA64?
< 1220300838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the final linking
< 1220300843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe, don't know
< 1220300853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe it has more memory than the Debian autobuilders
< 1220300854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is very memory hungry
< 1220300856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that
< 1220300868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I also managed to get it to crash even on x86 once, the split avoided that problem
< 1220300881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, gcc is very memory hungry
< 1220300923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh -c "(test -f /home/anmaster/local/ick/share/info/ick.igz && : --quiet --dir-file=`echo /dev/null` /home/anmaster/local/ick/share/info/ick.igz) || true"
< 1220300924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220300926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<n1124.pdf> After all replacements due to macro expansion and the defined unary operator have been performed, all remaining identifiers are replaced with the pp-number 0, and then each preprocessing token is converted into a token.
< 1220300928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--dir-file=`echo /dev/null`
< 1220300931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, WHAT THE HECK?
< 1220300941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--dir-file=/dev/null
< 1220300944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what you mean
< 1220300947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not echo like that
< 1220300949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, surely
< 1220300959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think things must have been evaluated in the wrong order
< 1220300963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it comes to the right thing
< 1220300972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides it's running : which ignores all its arguments anyway
< 1220300980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no problem
< 1220300989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the joys of autoconf
< 1220301021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, will ick use $CC or gcc?
< 1220301036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual compiler compiles with icc
< 1220301038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it /ought/ to use $CC, that hasn't been tested for years though
< 1220301041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I can say
< 1220301044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so quite possibly doesn't work
< 1220301074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ CC=echo ick -b beer.i
< 1220301074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beer.c -I/usr/include/ick-0.28 -I. -I./../include -L/usr/lib -L. -L./../lib -O2 -o beer -lick
< 1220301075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that works
< 1220301089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beer.c(3016): warning #177: label "L1910" was declared but never referenced
< 1220301089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  case -1910: ; L1910:
< 1220301089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                ^
< 1220301092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of stuff like that
< 1220301096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harmless in generated code
< 1220301110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works
< 1220301114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right result that is
< 1220301129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are lots of unused labels in the result
< 1220301150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: try it without the CC=
< 1220301150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-wd177 would quited that
< 1220301160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my /usr/bin/cc is gcc so...
< 1220301162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1220301170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it tries to use the value of CC there was at compile time if there isn't a CC in the environment
< 1220301177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt/intel/cc/10.1.018/bin/icc
< 1220301194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm glad it works with non-gcc compilers
< 1220301202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, at least beer does
< 1220301206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least ones which take much the same options
< 1220301207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaks 500 bytes though
< 1220301216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no warnings without $CC set
< 1220301217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what, the compile, or the compiled program?
< 1220301219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I assume it is gcc
< 1220301224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the compiled program
< 1220301227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1220301241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==8602==    definitely lost: 500 bytes in 16 blocks.
< 1220301245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using gcc now
< 1220301247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's bad, the compile is known to leak loads but I didn't think compiled programs leaked
< 1220301251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==8602== 36 bytes in 8 blocks are definitely lost in loss record 1 of 3
< 1220301251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==8602==    at 0x4006D6E: malloc (vg_replace_malloc.c:207)
< 1220301251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==8602==    by 0x8057679: ick_resize (in /home/anmaster/c-intercal/pit/beer)
< 1220301251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==8602==    by 0x8056A1B: main (in /home/anmaster/c-intercal/pit/beer)
< 1220301255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1220301257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==8602== 464 bytes in 8 blocks are definitely lost in loss record 3 of 3
< 1220301258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==8602==    at 0x4006D6E: malloc (vg_replace_malloc.c:207)
< 1220301258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==8602==    by 0x80576FC: ick_resize (in /home/anmaster/c-intercal/pit/beer)
< 1220301258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==8602==    by 0x8056A1B: main (in /home/anmaster/c-intercal/pit/beer)
< 1220301269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thnk I know what that might be
< 1220301275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check something
< 1220301320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's harmless
< 1220301330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the very end of the program it isn't freeing the contents of arrays
< 1220301333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the pointers to them
< 1220301336 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: stop talking to yourself
< 1220301340 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's like 50 lines of just you
< 1220301346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy enough to fix though, so I may as well
< 1220301348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICL778I UNEXPLAINED COMPILER BUG
< 1220301348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        ON THE WAY TO 0
< 1220301348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        CORRECT SOURCE AND RESUBNIT
< 1220301352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, should that happen?
< 1220301356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./beer +help
< 1220301356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it shouldn't
< 1220301358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was what I did
< 1220301365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, with +help it's fine
< 1220301369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh?
< 1220301386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after +help runs there used to be a simulated segfault
< 1220301393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220301395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf :P
< 1220301406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took the time delay out of it, but there's still an internal error
< 1220301406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway CC from compile time isn't used
< 1220301412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is invoked deliberately
< 1220301413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ok
< 1220301431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how would I test some of the ec features
< 1220301434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that normally need GCC
< 1220301436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably should be and there's support from it in the code, looks like I'm going to have to tweak the build process again
< 1220301443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a command line for ick in pit
< 1220301470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick -beE beer.i syslibc
< 1220301499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, just two labels that weren't used this time
< 1220301499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1220301511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also how to send some cflags on to ICC
< 1220301517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is in a gcc compatiblity mode by default
< 1220301519 0 :dogface!n=Peggy@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220301528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to send -no-gcc to tell it to not try to support GCC extensions
< 1220301534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can put them in $CC I think
< 1220301541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi dogface
< 1220301559 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ello.
< 1220301582 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like how irssi's auto-reconnect doesn't work.
< 1220301586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well then beer work
< 1220301605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/syslibc.c(54): remark #174: expression has no effect
< 1220301605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    do { if(0) { ick_l2_65540      : ; if(ick_global_linelabel != (1010) || (1010) > 65535) goto ick_l2_65541      ; ick_global_checkmode = 0; } 0 ; ick_checksuckpoint(1010); } while(0);
< 1220301606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^
< 1220301609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah great!
< 1220301614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                                                                                                                 ^
< 1220301618 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that it tries to reconnect once, and if that fails, it forgets about the server's existence.
< 1220301622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's complaining about the 0;
< 1220301622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um?
< 1220301629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: crosseed messages...
< 1220301637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I wonder why there's a 0; there anyway
< 1220301659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://rafb.net/p/QXAv9U46.html
< 1220301663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may want to read that
< 1220301679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, could be some real useful warnings
< 1220301725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one on line 30 of the paste looks genuine, that's a gcc extension I triggered by accident (it allows stray semicolons as null declarations, C doesn't)
< 1220301747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the one on 62 also looks valid
< 1220301765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, the one on 62's bogus
< 1220301771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1220301774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the variable could have been used but wasn't
< 1220301784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of it like a library function that's never used
< 1220301788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it was never in the generated code
< 1220301804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it could have been substituted in with a macro
< 1220301811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I never used that macro in syslibc
< 1220301812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1220301814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the warning
< 1220301845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also "expression has no effect" looks valid to me
< 1220301934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nah, that's fine, it's just a 0; I wrote because I needed a nop there
< 1220301943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it should be (void)0; which is the canonical C nop
< 1220301951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./cftoec.sh ~/cfunge/trunk
< 1220301951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./cftoec.sh: line 13: realpath: command not found
< 1220301952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, huh ^
< 1220301953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's to avoid code duplication in the header files
< 1220301960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, I tend to rely on realpath a lot
< 1220301969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is archlinux
< 1220301970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent problems with directory changes
< 1220301980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well arch linux doesn't have it by default it seems
< 1220301988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think it's default anywhere unfortunately, Ubuntu doesn't have it by default either
< 1220302000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe stop using it :)
< 1220302000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it shouldn't have been in C-INTERCAL then, I just get into the habit of using it..
< 1220302018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it should work if you change it to echo as long as you give an absolute path
< 1220302031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the heck does it need absolute path?
< 1220302050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so the path doesn't get lost when you change directory
< 1220302057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't need an absolute path normally, that's what the realpath is for
< 1220302064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I would use a subshell
< 1220302065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make the path absolute if a relative path was given
< 1220302085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes a lot more sense than erroring out just because you were given a relative path, like configure does
< 1220302103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do that then
< 1220302123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll find some way around it
< 1220302133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that I'm so used to realpath I forgot that systems didn't have it by default
< 1220302140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you didn't update for the FUNGEDATATYPE -> fungeCell change it seems?
< 1220302146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I told you some time ago
< 1220302149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you forgot to push
< 1220302156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not yet, no, I haven't been working on C-INTERCAL recently
< 1220302170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly I've either been asleep or working on gcc-bf
< 1220302175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be fixed before the next release
< 1220302187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also why does it ignore $CC
< 1220302195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cftoec.sh script
< 1220302208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cfunge compiles just fine with ICC
< 1220302209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I wrote it in about 5 minutes in a hurry
< 1220302212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220302251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ICC give a lot more readable errors
< 1220302256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so will clang
< 1220302271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang?
< 1220302279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know about LLVM?
< 1220302286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1220302297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang is the new C/C++ frontend written from scratch being coded for LLVM
< 1220302313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modular, better error tracking than gcc while using less memory
< 1220302316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1220302322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks very promising
< 1220302331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not in usable state
< 1220302340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can handle some C but almost no C++
< 1220302342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet
< 1220302356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but certainly looks promising
< 1220302366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, I know a lot about gcc from working on it for a week or so, and its design seems to be mostly about the genericness of frontend and backend, and the ability to do crazy optimisations easily
< 1220302380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not so good at error detection except when an optimisation discovers something's gone wrong, though
< 1220302423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google for clang
< 1220302461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems interesting
< 1220302465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :competition in C compilers is good
< 1220302471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want GCC getting too big for their boots
< 1220302574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/syslibc.c(192): remark #128: loop is not reachable from preceding code
< 1220302575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    do { if(0) { ick_l2_65556      : ; if(ick_global_linelabel != (1001) || (1001) > 65535) goto ick_l2_65557      ; ick_global_checkmode = 0; } 0 ; ick_checksuckpoint(1001); } while(0);
< 1220302577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about that one
< 1220302606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do while 0 is an idiom
< 1220302606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still, why do you have those "expression has no effect"
< 1220302612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shouldn't be treated as a loop at all
< 1220302632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why a do { } while at all?
< 1220302637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just strip that
< 1220302641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because that statement was created by filling out a template (reasonably obviously, given its appearance), and there was a blank which I didn't need to put a command in so I put a 0 in instead
< 1220302649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: macro expansion, it makes a block act like a statement
< 1220302666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do if(1) macro(args); else something_else();
< 1220302675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it compiles correctly
< 1220302691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do { } while(0) is a common trick because it's a single statement if you put ; at the end
< 1220302701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas a block isn't, once you add the semicolon it's two statements
< 1220302705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/syslibc.c(197): remark #111: statement is unreachable
< 1220302705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  if(ick_local_checkmode) ick_doresume((1),-1); ick_l1_65538      : ; ick_l6_65538      : ; ick_l2_65557      : return; }
< 1220302705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ^
< 1220302706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too?
< 1220302727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the very end of the function, and that function isn't allowed to return as it's only called from INTERCAL, not from C
< 1220302739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions can be called either via INTERCAL or via C mechanisms
< 1220302749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if called via INTERCAL mechanisms they must return via INTERCAL mechanisms
< 1220302756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas that's the code for returning via the C mechanism
< 1220302767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is never used in this case
< 1220302853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/uTeEIr64.html
< 1220302857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any false positive there?
< 1220302884 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220302884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"external declaration in primary source file" and "external function definition with no prior declaration" are not false positives to me
< 1220302887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just FYI
< 1220302918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, BAD:
< 1220302919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot13.c(579): warning #2132: statement expressions are a GNU extension
< 1220302919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        if(0) { ick_l1_65538      : ; if(ick_global_linelabel == (10U) && (10U) <= 65535) if(({int i=0; if (!ick_abstained[86]) { i=1;};i;})) { if(ick_global_goto) ick_lose("555 FLOW DIAGRAM IS EXCESSIVELY CONNECTED\n   ON THE WAY TO %d\n", ick_lineno, (char*)0); ick_global_goto = 65544      ; } goto ick_l1_65539      ; ick_l2_65557      : ; if(ick_global_linelabel != 65544      ) goto ick_l2_65558
< 1220302919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   ; ick_global_checkmode = 0; };
< 1220302919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                                                              ^
< 1220302924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNUish
< 1220302925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one on 31's genuine and fixable, the one on 44 reminds me why I needed gcc
< 1220302931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for external calls
< 1220302940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's very genuine, and may take some thought to fix
< 1220302952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to find a different way and so get rid of the gcc dependency
< 1220302971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hope you can skip using GCC specific ones :)
< 1220302976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though icc can handle those
< 1220302976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe move all the statement expressions to generated functions, not sure if that would work due to the need to access local variables
< 1220302990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :({ }) is kind-of hard to substitute into standard C
< 1220302991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, now to try to compile main ick with these flags
< 1220302997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll ask comp.lang.c if they have any ideas
< 1220303009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nested functions would work except they're a GNU extension too
< 1220303017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pass local variables along?
< 1220303026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(&a, &b, &c)
< 1220303033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hard to tell what the local variables are
< 1220303043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they could be in user-supplied C code
< 1220303188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :icc: command line remark #10148: option '-W' not supported
< 1220303195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably check in configure
< 1220303221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although last I checked configure didn't have an option to check "option to turn on all warnings"
< 1220303230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of hard to see how it could manage that really
< 1220303239 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RADICAL
< 1220303246 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO SIR
< 1220303249 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR UNWASHED MASSES?
< 1220303251 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT APPRECIATED!! BAD
< 1220303264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm
< 1220303276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I may have a m4 macro to check if an option is supported
< 1220303288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by checking if there was any output
< 1220303303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but sometimes supported options generate output, sometimes unsupported options do
< 1220303307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it checked if it was GCC first, then checked using -Werror to see if it was supported
< 1220303322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a facetious example, how can you tell if --version works or not?
< 1220303330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1220303341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/ick_ec.c(222): warning #1011: missing return statement at end of non-void function "ick_getonespot"
< 1220303341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  }
< 1220303341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ^
< 1220303342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^
< 1220303346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1220303347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/ick_ec.c(252): warning #1011: missing return statement at end of non-void function "ick_gettwospot"
< 1220303347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  }
< 1220303347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ^
< 1220303366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, that looks bad, let me look at the source
< 1220303376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, full compile log: http://rafb.net/p/6uCztn52.html
< 1220303397 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1220303399 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop talking to yourself
< 1220303400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/cesspool.c(919): warning #1011: missing return statement at end of non-void function "ick_ieg277"
< 1220303401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  }
< 1220303401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ^
< 1220303402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too
< 1220303403 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, more nonsense from me
< 1220303413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you could try unignoring me
< 1220303414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that one's fine, the statement before errors out and doesn't return
< 1220303416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would help
< 1220303428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should start messing about with __attribute__((__noreturn__))
< 1220303431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway see http://rafb.net/p/6uCztn52.html
< 1220303438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well ICC doesn't support that one
< 1220303442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do for Splint as it accepts annotations in comments
< 1220303457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which therefore don't interfere with anything else
< 1220303463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I only use it on functions that GCC suggests using noreturn for
< 1220303485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't have any false positives or negatives here
< 1220303489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I use noreturn on functions which actually don't return
< 1220303508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/clc-cset.c(262): warning #187: use of "=" where "==" may have been intended
< 1220303508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    csro->shifts==1 && (sso=1);
< 1220303508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                       ^
< 1220303510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum
< 1220303514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get that at all
< 1220303529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand it isn't very C-ish
< 1220303530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's just not used to Perl, that's all
< 1220303538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clc-cset.c is full of Perl idioms as a homage to CLC-INTERCAL
< 1220303544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tend to require a lot more parens to work in C, though
< 1220303544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/lexer.l(307): (col. 13) remark: REVERSED LOOP WAS VECTORIZED.
< 1220303545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now
< 1220303548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should say:
< 1220303557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REVERSE POLARITY WAS VECTORIZED
< 1220303560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be much better
< 1220303561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220303566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read that as VAPORIZED
< 1220303638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that all looks fine, some cases where I should probably use ifdef rather than if, but apart from that no serious errors
< 1220303651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or #if defined()
< 1220303667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  #if (MULTITHREAD != 0) || (YUKDEBUG != 0) || defined(ICK_EC)
< 1220303669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be
< 1220303673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why do that when #ifdef exists, except in complicated cases where you want to test more than one thing in the if?
< 1220303683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, agreed
< 1220303701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  #if defined(MULTITHREAD) || defined(YUKDEBUG) || defined(ICK_EC)
< 1220303703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1220303708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should there be ! in front?
< 1220303708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, because it might be defined to 0
< 1220303721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to test that it's defined and with a non-zero value
< 1220303726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but ICK_EC won't be that?
< 1220303731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define MULTITHREAD 0 exists in several cases
< 1220303737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, that's right
< 1220303750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe time to update the ot same scheme
< 1220303755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would make it easier to read
< 1220303779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed 's/#define MULTITHREAD 0/#undef MULTITHREAD/'
< 1220303782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1220303789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1220303806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1220303808 0 :ais523!i=93bc1bcc@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-88d11ea2f51fe9f8 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220303812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> AnMaster: yes, that's right
< 1220303812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> ais523, maybe time to update the ot same scheme
< 1220303812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> would make it easier to read
< 1220303812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> sed 's/#define MULTITHREAD 0/#undef MULTITHREAD/'
< 1220303812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> or something like that
< 1220303812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, sorry
< 1220303827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, take your laptop with you next time!
< 1220303828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1220303830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the problem is that the MULTITHREAD and the 0 are occasionally kept in different source files
< 1220303834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my laptop's with me
< 1220303838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just forgot to bring its power supply
< 1220303844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I might move onto my laptop now
< 1220303850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh wait icc can auto-parallellise programs
< 1220303853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the battery's charged and won't run out before I'm thrown out of here
< 1220303856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use pthreads in loops
< 1220303873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well if it doesn't misoptimise correct code there's no problem
< 1220303895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220303904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done anything weird-control-like that isn't allowed by the C standard
< 1220303915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just made a lot more interesting use of setjmp and friends than is normally considered sane
< 1220303944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah
< 1220304015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway there is no need for -W these days
< 1220304026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use -Wextra if you have too, after checking it is GCC
< 1220304027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a synonym for -Wextra, so there is
< 1220304042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deprecated ones iirc
< 1220304061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as I said earlier, parts of C-INTERCAL were ported from pre-C89 C, so you can understand that it has trouble catching up
< 1220304075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lex.yy.c(2254): (col. 2) remark: LOOP WAS VECTORIZED.
< 1220304075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/ipo_icc1tzGiK.o: In function `main':
< 1220304075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/ipo_icc1tzGiK.c:(.text+0x30): undefined reference to `__kmpc_begin'
< 1220304075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/ipo_icc1tzGiK.c:(.text+0x3a): undefined reference to `__kmpc_global_thread_num'
< 1220304075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/ipo_icc1tzGiK.c:(.text+0x24ab): undefined reference to `__kmpc_end'
< 1220304076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make: *** [bin/ick] Fel 1
< 1220304078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok nice one
< 1220304097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had no problems with cfunge with that option
< 1220304103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mibbit changed parts of those error messages to sad faces
< 1220304114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that sucks for you
< 1220304115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it said :(
< 1220304116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1220304123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what option was that?
< 1220304139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-parallel
< 1220304141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to ICC
< 1220304145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I missed -static
< 1220304151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should work with them combined
< 1220304159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to leave this computer and go onto my laptop now
< 1220304162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you again soon
< 1220304165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mibbit.com: back soon"
< 1220304167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well
< 1220304169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1220304172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to sleep soon
< 1220304284 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220304286 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably unignore AnMaster
< 1220304289 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i'll forget tomorrow
< 1220304291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: for log reading -parallel will make it multithreaded in ICC
< 1220304293 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's a good thing. possibly
< 1220304313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220304363 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@217.202.117.183 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220304378 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-98-89-121.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220304457 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1220304505 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220304524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, going to bed soon
< 1220304527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it works for oil
< 1220304531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not ick
< 1220304533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :icc -O2 -W -Wall -parallel -Wall -Wcheck -wd810 -wd981 -no-gcc -xK -march=pentium3 -O3 -ipo -static -no-prec-div -diag-enable port-win -DICKINCLUDEDIR=\"/home/anmaster/local/ick/include/ick-0.29\" -DICKDATADIR=\"/home/anmaster/local/ick/share/ick-0.29\" -DICKBINDIR=\"/home/anmaster/local/ick/bin\" -DICKLIBDIR=\"/home/anmaster/local/ick/lib\" -DYYDEBUG -DICK_HAVE_STDINT_H=1 -I./src -I./temp -o temp/oil
< 1220304533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : temp/oil.c
< 1220304535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works fine
< 1220304540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :icc temp/perpet.o temp/parser.o temp/lexer.o temp/feh2.o temp/dekludge.o temp/oilout*.o temp/ick_lose.o temp/fiddle.o temp/uncommon.o  -o bin/ick
< 1220304542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't
< 1220304547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/ipo_iccY7jGt7.o: In function `main':
< 1220304548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/ipo_iccY7jGt7.c:(.text+0x30): undefined reference to `__kmpc_begin'
< 1220304548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/ipo_iccY7jGt7.c:(.text+0x3a): undefined reference to `__kmpc_global_thread_num'
< 1220304548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/ipo_iccY7jGt7.c:(.text+0x24a9): undefined reference to `__kmpc_end'
< 1220304550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the result
< 1220304551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does?
< 1220304553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-static -parallel?
< 1220304559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you probably need -static on the link too
< 1220304560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I see it
< 1220304562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just the compiler
< 1220304569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot to pass it in $CFLAGS
< 1220304577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot to pass CFLAGS there
< 1220304582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike the other time you link
< 1220304588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you pass $LDFLAGS when linking
< 1220304602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well all cases I seen it uses CFLAGS too when linking
< 1220304647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and you *do* pass that when compiling old
< 1220304649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oil*
< 1220304659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$CFLAGS is for the compile normally
< 1220304662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so passing it in LDFLAGS as well would be double
< 1220304664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for oil
< 1220304667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should do it so $CC is used for compile and $LD for link, and they're both the detected C compiler by default
< 1220304670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I compile and link oil in one step?
< 1220304671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :musn't happen
< 1220304675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you do
< 1220304681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what I said above
< 1220304681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain it
< 1220304758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, looks like I have to work even more on the build system
< 1220304761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> ais: for log reading -parallel will make it multithreaded in ICC
< 1220304764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed that
< 1220304771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I got that
< 1220304789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm not sure -parallel will help all that much
< 1220304795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it basically does mapreduce()
< 1220304802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err s/()//
< 1220304805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably feh2.c could be redesigned so it would but atm it won't
< 1220304832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides ick runs very fast compared to gcc, so normally it doesn't matter about optimising ick itself
< 1220304851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but would it break it's programs to be compiled with -parallel?
< 1220304877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't see how it could, I'm not doing anything disallowed by the C standard so unless it's listed as unsafe in the compiler docs it should be fine
< 1220304892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you said pthreads would break stuff?
< 1220304920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/perpet.c(664): remark #1599: declaration hides variable "c" (declared at line 285)
< 1220304921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :          int c=getchar();
< 1220304921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              ^
< 1220304922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: only if calls and returns don't match up
< 1220304922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^
< 1220304938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's why it's in a separate block, scoping exists for a reason
< 1220304949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you want to shadow it?
< 1220304949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220304965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just gcc will warn with -Wshadow for that too
< 1220304980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/clc-cset.c(303): remark #593: variable "ssrecord" was set but never used
< 1220304980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        int sstesting, ssbestsf, ssrecord, j, k;
< 1220304980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                 ^
< 1220305000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: when I need a temporary variable I create a small block so that shadowing will prevent an identifier clash
< 1220305014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can't even remember what ssrecord does offhand
< 1220305017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/cIjSdJ39.html is the last log from main ick compile using icc
< 1220305019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look that up
< 1220305025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, going to sleep
< 1220305026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1220305030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, night
< 1220305533 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | function g() is a big hint
< 1220305684 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1220305690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you talk to something other than silence now
< 1220305692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220305701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it depends on whether you say something interesting
< 1220305710 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can handle that
< 1220305712 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something interesting
< 1220305714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verifying that C-INTERCAL ports to compilers other than gcc is interesting
< 1220305718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance
< 1220305724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's what I was doing, if you were wondering
< 1220305752 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does it compile on my brain
< 1220305762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I don't know, it doesn't really compile in mine
< 1220305763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tracks order
< 1220305771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit too large to grasp all at once
< 1220305773 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sits at "DISPATCHED"!
< 1220305784 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my brain is pretty damn awesome
< 1220305786 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i could handle it
< 1220305787 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1220305793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you know where the code is
< 1220305795 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I augmented it with a large pen and paper extension
< 1220305799 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "caring"
< 1220306173 0 :psygnisfive!i=82f5c439@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ebf1c8b742140a2e JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220306189 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey bitches
< 1220306365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there are any bitches here.  there is one dogface though.
< 1220306483 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont make me rape your ass, bitch
< 1220307075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And a nice evening to you too"
< 1220307563 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220308571 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1220308811 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old news, but new to me... programmable wristwatch with a battery that lasts 2 years.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timex_Datalink
< 1220308823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi calamari
< 1220308827 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais
< 1220308839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've seen you here recently...
< 1220308850 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1220310463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"going home, and basically out of battery"
< 1220311381 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220311670 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1220312372 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1220313641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq:
< 1220313642 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping ping
< 1220313652 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agora are trying to exile you because you're a shite speaker
< 1220315036 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1220317232 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1220317254 0 :psygnisfive!i=82f5c439@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b2ae9c943cbb2a16 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220317638 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BITCHES OF #ESOTERIC, HERE ME
< 1220317645 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEAR EVEN
< 1220317650 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE MANY TYPOES FOR YOU ALL
< 1220317741 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1220322358 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220325087 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"BAKED"
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< 1220326047 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so guys
< 1220326049 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows it goin
< 1220326075 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, have i mentioned recently how hot you are?
< 1220327123 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1220327134 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | fizzie pulls out his marijuana - "And this helped too"
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< 1220332717 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220333280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q45t
< 1220333299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly num lock
< 1220333313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
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< 1220338183 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1220339143 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1220341778 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1220342385 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"
< 1220342399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1220342400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220343169 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220343649 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1220345180 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@sparkgw.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220345185 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no recollection of the context the current topic has.
< 1220345286 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I woke up at 16:00 one Friday, and the topic was GregorR's speculation on the reason.
< 1220346845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1220347538 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@i-129.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220347587 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How should I improve you next?
< 1220347588 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: see this: slashdot.org/ comments.pl?sid=99801&cid=8509203 linux. or at least a few people are making silly things for linux
< 1220347757 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Uh... I don't quite get it. You already have a command line interface of sorts, and are running on Linux; and I'm not going to expose that stuff directly to people on the channel, nope.
< 1220347758 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but kelsey still has it. basically you get bloat at runtime instead of compiletime function an ok way to describe it. ( plt scheme actually has such a mechanism often named thus. all syntax-rules implementations based on this single statement of yours? :)
< 1220347792 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: You're usually more coherent; do you have any good ideas?
< 1220347793 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *Oh*.
< 1220347802 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What?
< 1220347802 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: !undaemon ctcp
< 1220347827 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: fungot doesn't have any "ctcp" command, and I don't quite see the point.
< 1220347827 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: things like online javadocs, tutorial sites and w3schools have saved me hundreds of dollars in books
< 1220347828 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: according to our consensus, for " 3" does not mean that all rings should have a locale with an encoding that will be
< 1220347860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those things aren't very useful for serious advice. :/
< 1220348734 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | lisp is nice too
< 1220349034 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Isn't it traditionally "a cat" which is fine too, not lisp?
< 1220349034 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: A recursive array.
< 1220349046 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A recursive array is fine too. Hmm, right.
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< 1220350951 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Jesus loves you"
< 1220351024 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220352171 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@sparkgw.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220352171 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220352233 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Jesus loves you"
< 1220352268 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiya all
< 1220353363 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.90.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220353595 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@217.201.87.240 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220354779 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1220356157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220357330 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220358405 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1220358409 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are early
< 1220358412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220358414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I'm late
< 1220358417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't gone to bed yet
< 1220358418 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1220358421 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1220358421 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow.
< 1220358426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens sometimes
< 1220358426 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... wow
< 1220358427 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220358432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't sleep for an entire night...
< 1220358450 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can, mostly because i stay up late.
< 1220358455 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm tired.
< 1220358474 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although things have been working out to about 8 hours of sleep recently
< 1220358508 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer
< 1220358560 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1220358565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jksdfhisdfhsdkjfhkdjsfksdjf fuck reddit comments
< 1220358569 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[citation needed]!! HAHA! Xkcd!"
< 1220358577 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck happened to DOING YOUR OWN RESEARCH
< 1220358581 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn.
< 1220358609 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No original research!
< 1220358615 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: to be fair, if you make an assertion, you should back it up
< 1220358623 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: of course
< 1220358631 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's done when the poster has made a negative assertation
< 1220358647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey, I bet this steals your passwords and eats your babies." "Um... no it doesn't?" "[CITATION NEEDED BITCH]"
< 1220358665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the one who made the statement, give ME the evidence
< 1220358672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... there are burden of proof problems right there
< 1220358702 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just post the source and they'll shut up :-P
< 1220358716 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "but you could be running a modified version with extra evil"
< 1220358724 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously, I am 100% certain they would say that)
< 1220358735 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, somebody would
< 1220358737 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most wouldn't
< 1220358746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef LICENCE_MANAGER
< 1220358764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a line from pic30, a modified version of gcc with extra evil)
< 1220358780 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but I see it all over reddit
< 1220358782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just annoying
< 1220358787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, it's called MPLAB C30, pic30 is what gcc thinks of it as internally
< 1220358793 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can say whatever you want and if people challenge you you can just say [citation needed].
< 1220358797 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshiiiiiiiiiiit
< 1220358801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: citation needed
< 1220358809 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [citation needed]
< 1220358818 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ( ais523) tusho: citation needed
< 1220358831 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("that's evil" "i don't think it is..." "[citation needed]")
< 1220358833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you may laugh, but people actually use {{disputedtag}} on occasion
< 1220358838 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can be reduced to "that's evil" "[citation needed]" "[citation needed]")
< 1220358841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been edit wars over it too
< 1220358850 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the ones who say [citation needed] are never the ones who understand burden of proof
< 1220358851 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220358853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that there's a dispute over whether something is disputed or not
< 1220358859 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow
< 1220358883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: there can be edit wars over the strangest things on wikis, Wikipedia gets them a lot but I think they affect other wikis too
< 1220358901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance there was an edit war about whether a particular truck in the background of an area in Pokemon was notable or not
< 1220358909 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: kind of related: people bugged me on WikiWikiWeb for not using my real name
< 1220358915 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because apparently using my real name makes me more trustworthy.
< 1220358918 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiiiiiiiiiight
< 1220358919 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TuSho
< 1220358944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's not exactly that, it's that people who aren't trustworthy tend to be unwilling to reveal their own names for some reason
< 1220358950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it works as a filter one way but not the other
< 1220358957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you exclude lots of people who are trustworthy too
< 1220358970 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, when I was young and naive I'd have a good reason not to reveal my name
< 1220358973 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my password was "elliott"...
< 1220359013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: anyway, where's the history link on c2?
< 1220359020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is, it's very difficult to tell who's talking to you
< 1220359031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably it doesn't matter, but that goes against the thrust of what they were saying
< 1220359123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, c2 doesn't record contributors to a page forever, only for a certain length of time
< 1220359135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's simultaneously anonymous and requires real names
< 1220359139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an interesting compromise
< 1220359177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<spam I just got> Plastic SCM is saying goodbye to stuffy old software configuration management tools that are high on complexity and low on usability.  With Plastic SCM every aspect of what you would expect from a configuration management tool has been enhanced. Trace the history of your projects with a number of graphical tools such as the per-file history that you can view through a 3D revision tree! How cool is that?!
< 1220359181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it amusing
< 1220359188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's more ontopic than the normal spam I come across
< 1220359196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't make me want to buy their product though
< 1220359265 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1220359272 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's intentional
< 1220359276 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1220359279 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plastic scm is quite popular
< 1220359282 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure it's spam?
< 1220359295 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't heard of well-known companies spamming a lot, reall
< 1220359295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's unsolicited bulk email
< 1220359296 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1220359311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subject: 	?spam? Our Version Control tool is not just cool looking, its smart too! Is yours?
< 1220359323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe someone else is spamming them
< 1220359328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no obvious reason why
< 1220359334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look like the work of a reputable company
< 1220359349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a phishing attempt disguised as spam?
< 1220359352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be something new
< 1220359363 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can find all the revisions in the wiki data dir
< 1220359369 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't remember where that is , though
< 1220359372 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again they get expired
< 1220359380 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c2.com/cgi/quickDiff?TuSho
< 1220359385 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(found by clicking the link) shows the last change
< 1220359394 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has no accounts, anyway
< 1220359397 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's all honour system
< 1220359430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is something very odd about that, but it resonated with me as being Wiki too
< 1220359438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes sense, as c2 is the Wiki with a capital W
< 1220359455 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: c2 is bizarre
< 1220359461 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikimedia is such a distant relative
< 1220359466 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. their Recentchanges is updated by a bot
< 1220359469 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once every 24 hours
< 1220359474 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a regular pge
< 1220359480 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mediawiki
< 1220359492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but even so I think I understand c2 in a way, pretty much any wiki model you'll have a faction of people on Wikipedia who thinks Wikipedia ought to work like that
< 1220359514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get used to the politics after a bit, c2 is a bit like Wikipedia would be with a different political party in charge
< 1220359528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's kind of like america, isn't
< 1220359529 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it
< 1220359531 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both the parties suck
< 1220359536 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one is mildly preferable :P
< 1220359548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: which one depends on who you are, though
< 1220359566 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ChangesInWeekThirtyThree 33rd week of 2007 ... listing changes from 2008
< 1220359571 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yea, i guess insane people differ ;)
< 1220359577 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ICE BURN needed]
< 1220359587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder how c2 would do citation needed.
< 1220359592 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably add a long italic comment below it.
< 1220359614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: when I've worked on effective internal wikis they've ended up looking a lot like c2
< 1220359624 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indee
< 1220359624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they normally act like extended group mind-maps, with hyperlinks
< 1220359625 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1220359631 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a good thing
< 1220359641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's funny, wikis are actually a good replacement for most html sites
< 1220359651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia is pretty strange as wikis go, it's sort of like using Google Docs to write an encyclopedia with a wiki attached for discussing it
< 1220359739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... wiki software is strangely abusable too
< 1220359753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance I wrote a JavaScript multiplayer networked chess program
< 1220359758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using MediaWiki for data storage
< 1220359784 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1220359792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: one problem I think mediawiki has
< 1220359800 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that was designed for 'everyone edits, better make it safe' first
< 1220359818 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if you started with something made for a personal site-wiki-thingy that are quite popular these days - i.e. free for all, locked down permissions
< 1220359825 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then put the restrictions etc on top of that
< 1220359832 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might result in something more flexible & less adhoc
< 1220359850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for wikis, adhoc is good
< 1220359872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1220359881 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in the part of the software meant to be structured, ais523
< 1220359884 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about the software
< 1220359888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220359917 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. for a personal wiki, you'd want something that you could poke about in standard tools for some purposes
< 1220359925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like the monks from HHGTTG, but instead of demanding rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty you're demanding a rigidly structured framework in which to be adhoc
< 1220359929 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you store stuff in the filename (not much relational about well, documents anyway)
< 1220359932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220359933 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1220359935 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice slip
< 1220359938 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the FILESYSTEM
< 1220359941 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how intercal.)
< 1220359946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use an existing VCS, etc
< 1220359947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, very INTERCAL
< 1220359950 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably a DVCS so you could edit locally
< 1220359957 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, wow, hey, you get merging
< 1220359962 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which turns out to be helpful in a more open, public site!
< 1220359964 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, benefits like that
< 1220359969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw were you reading what I said when I told you about my new evil idea for command line argument syntax?
< 1220359979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of
< 1220359992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I like telling people about that sort of random evil
< 1220360003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't implemented most of the random evil ideas I've come up with yet, though
< 1220360032 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: incidentally,
< 1220360041 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://developer.mozilla.org/En doesn't run on mediawiki, although it really looks like it at first glance
< 1220360051 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Powered by MindTouch Deki Enterprise Edition v.8.05.2b"
< 1220360068 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://developer.mozilla.org/index.php?title=En&action=history <-- The goddamn URL is even the same. The UI for the history is better, though.
< 1220360181 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://developer.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Special:Listusers&limit=50&offset=50
< 1220360186 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the EXACT URI that mediawiki uses
< 1220360187 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220360193 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look like it's based on MW, though
< 1220360202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the UI for the history is the same, but skinned differently
< 1220360215 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but the other pages look different
< 1220360216 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. login
< 1220360219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the confusing thing is it's using the same URIs as MediaWiki everywhere
< 1220360222 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they just imitated mediawiki
< 1220360224 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, no
< 1220360230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't have any of the other hallmarks of MediaWiki
< 1220360237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://developer.mozilla.org/Project:en/About
< 1220360243 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of language stuff in the url
< 1220360247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure it's not based on MW, anyway
< 1220360252 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they just imitated the UI they likec
< 1220360254 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*liked
< 1220360362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's open source, so I'm going to settle this the traditional open source way
< 1220360406 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1220360408 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check it :P
< 1220360411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does the same
< 1220360415 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220360418 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only provide distro packages
< 1220360420 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a vmware thing
< 1220360421 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enterprisey
< 1220360455 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://wiki.developer.mindtouch.com/Deki_Wiki/Installation_and_Upgrade/1.9.0_Itasca_Source_Code_Install_and_Upgrade_Guide
< 1220360462 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, THAT is obviously not mediawiki
< 1220360473 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess mozilla just made it looks like MW
< 1220360557 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you slap me, I'm about to go off writing a wiki engine
< 1220360563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I Shouldn't
< 1220360567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, slaps tend not to work over IRC
< 1220360570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not very well
< 1220360574 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about a Swhack
< 1220360586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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< 1220360718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deki Wiki looks worrying, anyway, it's full of dependencies on Windows and/or Mono
< 1220360727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Adding services, like Microsoft Windows Live Controls, as a built-in component
< 1220360727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a wiki is super interesting; MindTouch Deki Wiki is truly breaking new ground,"
< 1220360727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :said George Moore, general manager, Windows Live Platform at Microsoft.
< 1220360731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's from their README
< 1220360739 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, that's what microsoft want to do with it
< 1220360744 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you read their installation instructions, they're for mono
< 1220360749 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with mono/C#
< 1220360752 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice VM, nice language
< 1220360754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they have mono as a dependency
< 1220360757 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220360757 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1220360759 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1220360773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of people are paranoid about mono because they think installing it allows Microsoft to sue you some time down the line
< 1220360773 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gnome depends on Mono these days
< 1220360777 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnome.org/projects/tomboy/
< 1220360785 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gnome/C# app that runs on Mono
< 1220360789 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it'd even run on windows
< 1220360793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no it doesn't, the person in charge wants it to but there are no Mono dependencies in Gnome core nowadays
< 1220360802 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well ubuntu includes t
< 1220360803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it
< 1220360807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220360822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there are two programs in Ubuntu by default that depend on it
< 1220360848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also someone put in a dependency for OpenOffice.org on Mono but there isn't a dependency there actually and after removing the dependency it still works
< 1220360861 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what gui toolkit does openoffice use again?
< 1220360867 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some crazy shit that looks like java but isn't
< 1220360868 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1220360875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1220360906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and arguably any GUI made by Sun ends up looking like Java, because it's the same GUI designers
< 1220360948 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should fire 'em
< 1220360948 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220361116 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :mupersan
< 1220361124 0 :mupersan!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tusho
< 1220361145 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :mupersan
< 1220361150 0 :mupersan!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tusho
< 1220361285 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, mupersan has been defeated.
< 1220361295 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name would trip me up if I didn't already have one.
< 1220361323 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Now language choice will trip me up. Damn.
< 1220361326 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL!
< 1220361326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the last few events here in #esoteric would look pretty weird to anyone who wasn't in the other channels that provide context
< 1220361331 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: quite
< 1220361340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw, hi optbot, hi fungot
< 1220361341 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no it's not :(
< 1220361341 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so include the code? :p) and all is well and good.' you can hang around in mystream. but when you pass your custom port to a procedure without naming it after " people who are used to
< 1220361353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, for one, am confused about what just happened.
< 1220361386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think it makes sense without having been in ##nomic at the same time
< 1220361387 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially with irssi's nick-tracking-for-query-windows, which added a "You are now talking with mupersan" line as the first line I noticed.
< 1220361538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: provide some context for fizzie
< 1220361544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot?
< 1220361545 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you think I should give perl another chance for this?
< 1220361555 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: test
< 1220361555 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why so quiet?
< 1220361559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: actually I'd rather like to see it in INTERCAL
< 1220361564 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1220361566 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can port it ;)
< 1220361567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be really difficult
< 1220361571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, been a while since the last crash.
< 1220361573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not insane enough
< 1220361582 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220361588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should make an INTERCAL backend for gcc, not sure if it would be easier or harder than brainfuck
< 1220361601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worryingly many of INTERCAL's commands are not too hard to explain to gcc
< 1220361607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It saw that ais523 "provide some context" line and got confused.
< 1220361613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can understand what ABSTAIN does to some extent, for instance
< 1220361624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it tends to assume things that aren't true
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< 1220361648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Feeling better?
< 1220361649 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( indirectly via fnord and my blue fnord long underwear all ready to go through all words in the stdlib
< 1220361659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds... fungotty enough.
< 1220361660 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: guess i've not done any forth coding since... well, physically around me without specifying " good stewart" versus " xtu". ( advanced in his mind uses it.
< 1220361705 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test hi
< 1220361716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot
< 1220361716 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: those are just the ordinary ( for call/ cc))) hangs
< 1220361838 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there any actual justification for a lot of perl's weirdness?
< 1220361842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220361844 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see how some of it leads to interesting stuff
< 1220361845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of it...
< 1220361861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is designed to be ruthlessly pragmatic AFAICT
< 1220361897 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lot of the pragmatism is just silly & afaict not very helpful either
< 1220362253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does perl have a Git module?
< 1220362254 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1220362256 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so
< 1220362262 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. it's part of official git
< 1220362648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For disturbingly many X, "does perl have a X" has a positive answer.
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< 1220362776 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220362892 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: libido?
< 1220362920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well in C you could import that with -lido, Perl naming conventions are a bit different though
< 1220362938 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man someone make a protocol called ido already
< 1220362938 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220362993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I haven't bought any albums, recently, apart from this one.
< 1220362999 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Swhacks himself for being a naughty pirate.
< 1220363003 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION denies that Swhack.
< 1220363010 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/me checks download status...)
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< 1220363084 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why must there be throttles in the world.
< 1220363085 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220363086 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyyyy.
< 1220363112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: to prevent one person being able to slashdot the entire Internet with wget
< 1220363140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are ways to set its settings so it'll download every web page linked from any other webpage recursively forever, which will end up downloading much of the Internet, but this is a bad idea)
< 1220363170 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Or rather so that the file dump sites can sucker you into being a premium account. (I'd use bittorrent except 1. if a friend uploads it I can be sure of the quality & correct tags 2. It's more reliable, in general, whereas torrents often end up with incomplete files etc)
< 1220363453 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woop woop. Downloaded.
< 1220363469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what did you download?
< 1220363479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An album.
< 1220363486 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, my fonts have messed up.
< 1220363492 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always seems to happen after catting /dev/urandom.
< 1220363494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION restarts
< 1220363500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: use the reset command?
< 1220363512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that cleans up a random cat for me
< 1220363515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no I mean literally
< 1220363520 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I restart the terminal
< 1220363524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how?
< 1220363525 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something to do with os x font caches
< 1220363529 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine leopard fixes it
< 1220363531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty bad terminal design...
< 1220363539 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it happens with any terminal
< 1220363541 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think its an os bug
< 1220363544 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it rarely happens
< 1220363553 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly if you give it really wacky unicode over the course of several days
< 1220363558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can the OS mess up the fonts just because you catted something to a terminal?
< 1220363563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know. :P
< 1220363631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw I found an explanation of SGML comments that actually made sense
< 1220363652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that <! -- this is a comment -- > is fine in SGML (and therefore in early versions of HTML)
< 1220363658 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1220363666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because <! starts a declaration, > ends it, and -- toggles a comment inside a declaration
< 1220363686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's how it got the syntax
< 1220363690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why <!----> starts and ends a comment but <!------> ends up inside a comment
< 1220363693 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220363710 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb.
< 1220363716 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
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< 1220363921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, mouse out of battery again
< 1220363930 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does it, after this i'll put back in my crappy old wired mouse
< 1220363942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that's why I'm using a wired mouse at the moment too
< 1220363950 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it didn't used to do this
< 1220363954 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's been dropped a few times
< 1220363956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this mouse is very crappy, I suspect it's made of cardboard but am not sure
< 1220363965 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think that fucked it up
< 1220363979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the batteries have a little checker thing on the side and they always have like a third)
< 1220363985 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yet the mouse says they're dead)
< 1220364040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: could be a loose connection causing resistance inside the mouse, the battery charge would appear lower to the mouse because less voltage and/or current would get through
< 1220364040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can see how dropping a mouse would cause a loose connection
< 1220364055 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: something over my head like that, yes
< 1220364059 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it scratched the teflon base
< 1220364068 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now it's awkward to use on anything other than a fibrous mouse mat
< 1220364071 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's slowed down a bit even on that
< 1220364076 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i had to turn accelleration up
< 1220364158 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://zeepmobile.com/ neat
< 1220364172 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use the last 40 chars of the message for ads though :(
< 1220364177 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still. neat.
< 1220364210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: now all that's needed is someone interfaces it with Java, then we can plz send everyone the code
< 1220364217 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: brillant
< 1220364244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sending SMS messages from Java was the original question that sparked off that particular meme
< 1220364250 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know
< 1220364540 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220364708 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
< 1220364723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol
< 1220364740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220364747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone an expert on mips?
< 1220364756 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, GregorR
< 1220364756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want like a spec, but i'm too lazy to ggl
< 1220364758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR is I think
< 1220364768 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hear that GregorR? we're pinging you
< 1220364773 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this: GregorR
< 1220364950 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mp[e
< 1220364951 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nope
< 1220365001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the FSF have released a new propaganda video which I'm watching atm, it's good if you like unintentional humour
< 1220365008 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by stephen fry?
< 1220365011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220365015 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll watch that in a bit
< 1220365018 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like stephen fry a lot
< 1220365048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically they've persuaded him to spout propaganda lines explaining what FSF-free software is in terms that a kindergarten could understand
< 1220365054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is all very patronising
< 1220365081 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm sure he had a lot of fun being patronising too
< 1220365093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I agree
< 1220365123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the FSF are still desperately trying to promote gNewSense
< 1220365135 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, i read the reddit comments to that video and saw gnewsense
< 1220365138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i just laughed
< 1220365149 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh FSF, when will you learn about reality?
< 1220365223 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: could you check if rutian's apache is gzipping pages it sends?
< 1220365224 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope so
< 1220365225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they released it cc-nd
< 1220365232 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I hate -nd
< 1220365232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I think I can check
< 1220365240 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's evil
< 1220365248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the FSF think propaganda should be no-derivs
< 1220365255 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yea, god forbid they get made fun of
< 1220365257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Emacs manual ended up being declared non-free by Debian
< 1220365261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while
< 1220365265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until they changed their mind about that
< 1220365281 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think I might remix stephen fry's video to make the FSF look even more ridiculous (after watching it) and host it out of spite
< 1220365294 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have at the bottom, two links
< 1220365301 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsf.org - "Support free software!"
< 1220365305 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of GNU program documentation is in Debian non-free, thanks to GFDL.
< 1220365307 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creativecommons.org - "Support free culture!"
< 1220365309 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...wait"
< 1220365327 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hm, so Wikipedia isn't debian-free?
< 1220365348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it depends on what options on the GFDL you select
< 1220365351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia is debian-free
< 1220365360 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to vrms, I've got non-free packages like: autoconf-doc, gdb-doc, gcc-doc-base, ocaml-doc.
< 1220365360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the GFDL has all sort of optional extras you can add on
< 1220365375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for including propaganda into a document in a non-free way
< 1220365386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it's unrelated to the subject of the document
< 1220365387 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Immutable sections were the thing I saw people griping about.
< 1220365389 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have non-free software such as ... um ... I don't think it'll fit on an IRC line :P
< 1220365412 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I just selected some of the "-doc" packages I had; there's others.
< 1220365416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words GFDL lets you add a section of propaganda to your documentation that nobody's allowed to remove, as long as it has nothing to do with the content people are actually looking for
< 1220365465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course people who try to use the GFDL sanely, like me and whoever selected the licence for Wikipedia, disable all the optional extras and just end up with a licence that actually resembles the cc licences a bit
< 1220365495 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say something witty but I can't think of anything to make this funnier :)
< 1220365544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the problem is that the FSF don't really 'get' free software, despite having invented it
< 1220365566 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my take on it is that the FSF are obsessed with making the general public all brainwashed to support everything they say
< 1220365575 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they add loads of terms to obligate the spreading of the propaganda
< 1220365587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(exaggerated, of course, but the basic idea)
< 1220365600 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd be good virus writers
< 1220365601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: bad news, it isn't gzipping, I would tell you in #ESO but you aren't there
< 1220365609 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, so that's why it's not all that fast
< 1220366078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://rafb.net/p/dbkAv776.html
< 1220366081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about it
< 1220366084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but could be relevant
< 1220366106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or could be false positive
< 1220366112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: those warnings aren't just in the compiler, they're in the C-INTERCAL manual too
< 1220366122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're potential gotchas for people writing code to interface with INTERCAL code
< 1220366129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um?
< 1220366131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1220366140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220366147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the manual warns that the variables won't be initialised and so don't rely on them being initialised
< 1220366148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :longjmp into a function?
< 1220366161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, or goto into a block with initialised variables
< 1220366167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1220366173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in goto a; {int b; a: ; }
< 1220366174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway you could have a bug there
< 1220366188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and this is not with EC stuff
< 1220366190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuation.i
< 1220366192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-m
< 1220366195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not sure...
< 1220366219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait
< 1220366225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's just a false positive
< 1220366236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because those variables go out of scope before they can be used
< 1220366244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code for -m is more like goto a; {int b=2; } a: ;
< 1220366249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is clearly not a problem
< 1220366272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind-of obvious that's happening from the error because it's skipping a huge number of variables with the same name
< 1220366277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which don't shadow each other
< 1220366283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they all go out of scope before there's a problem
< 1220366438 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads some more stuff
< 1220366473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220366544 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 minutes remaining...
< 1220366695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p144322651.txt readable and/or Cish?
< 1220366698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a bit rusty
< 1220366719 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: quite Cish
< 1220366724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: those bitfields will cause havoc on an 8-bit system
< 1220366727 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220366731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how so?
< 1220366734 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: use int argc, char **argv though
< 1220366737 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of nargs,args
< 1220366740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1220366743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't fit nicely on 8-bit boundaries
< 1220366744 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart frmo that, it looks kind of like c from the 70s :P
< 1220366746 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is cool
< 1220366760 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220366766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well then i'll just have to do the bitshifts manually.
< 1220366781 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you care about 8 bit systems
< 1220366781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: C from the 70s would be main()int argc;char** argv;{}
< 1220366782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220366786 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, you know what i mean
< 1220366799 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically means writing in python what the C compiler has for this exact case
< 1220366817 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just do what you're doing
< 1220366825 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you wanna run it on a nes
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< 1220366868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220366875 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've managed to break another cable
< 1220366878 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i suck
< 1220366889 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as always, i want it to run on my own computer, everything else is just gravy." was my last message, not sure if you got it.
< 1220366956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, leave it as it is
< 1220366956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler will sort it out for you
< 1220366956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1220366973 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sort it out"?
< 1220366974 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523
< 1220366976 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean
< 1220366991 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need the bitfields to have that exact structure, because i'm writing that raw into a file
< 1220367013 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort out the shifting the data into the struct?
< 1220367025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: C doesn't guarantee any structure in bitfields
< 1220367036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, what's the endianess of a 26-bit int?
< 1220367041 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that sucks donkey ass
< 1220367046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will vary from system to system
< 1220367058 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1220367063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bits are guaranteed to be in the order you say but there may be padding between them
< 1220367088 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically i have to shift everything manually into an int
< 1220367091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc lets you remove the padding with __attribute__((__packed__)) but I'm not sure if that'll work on non-32-bit systems, where your bitfields cross the boundaries between ints
< 1220367100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manual shifting is safer, and easy
< 1220367102 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks donkey balls
< 1220367118 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well, i'll stick with this one, and make a python program convert all that for me
< 1220367131 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not convert, shiftorize is the correct term
< 1220367143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: why not just use attribute packed
< 1220367145 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the best
< 1220367150 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, you only care about your system
< 1220367150 0 :tritonio__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220367151 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i have some business to attend to, see you in a bit
< 1220367152 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll be OK
< 1220367157 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well i kinda missed that line :P
< 1220367160 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220367164 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that'll indeed be okay
< 1220367182 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i automatically skip lines that contain something as complicated as __attribute__
< 1220367205 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will have to tell me how that's used later, when i actually start making this
< 1220367225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: it isn't standard C, gcc lets you do that sort of thing but some compilers don't or have different syntax
< 1220367239 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah that's fine by me, but how exactly is it used?
< 1220367262 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i just write __attribute__((__packed__)) in my diary or something?
< 1220367268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put the syntax after the } of the struct definition
< 1220367270 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should it be written in the code somewhere
< 1220367277 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, after the whole thing
< 1220367284 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, i'll be trying that
< 1220367298 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, ima take a break from irc now, see you in a bit ->
< 1220367303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220367484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: heh, newlib is formed by combining code licenced under 28 different BSD-style licences and the LGPL
< 1220367495 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1220367498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's legal, but hardly good style
< 1220367505 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220367533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes the copyright notice stupidly long
< 1220367559 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: idea for a copyright license
< 1220367574 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each derivative
< 1220367579 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to add one word to a one word story included with the program
< 1220367620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I wanted to write an anti-copyleft licence which was still open-source; all derivative works had to add an extra condition to the licence, preferably a silly one which hardly ever comes up
< 1220367624 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220367629 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyside
< 1220367635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore derivative works can be non-open-source but the original is open source
< 1220367655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'd use such a licence except for something silly though
< 1220367664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sillier than usual
< 1220367682 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about a licensenomic
< 1220367692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different derivatives could vote on license changes in their parents
< 1220367696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: combining a nomic legal system with a RL legal system?
< 1220367700 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1220367718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would get very dangerous very quickly, especially when it came to indemnification
< 1220367736 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it'd probably have a huge legalese of limitations
< 1220367738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might end up having to pay Apple the damages for being sued by Microsoft, for instance
< 1220367744 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1220367750 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd only be for silly things anyway
< 1220368472 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1220368972 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there an assembly that requires you to declare a register before you use it
< 1220368996 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have the speed benefit of not having to push everything @ call, but still have the safety
< 1220369022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: C written entirely with gcc asm statements
< 1220369034 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1220369050 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's even higher up
< 1220369052 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want that
< 1220369069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives you the speed benefit
< 1220369078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just very verbose
< 1220369087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing collapses into just the asm when it's compiled
< 1220369100 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1220369109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls writing asm like that on a different compiler because they didn't know how to use the assembler
< 1220369120 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, you don't have to specify the registers you use, and that's a bit boring
< 1220369126 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220369131 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you do have to do that
< 1220369151 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will have to elaborate on how a register is declared in C
< 1220369165 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside an asm statement
< 1220369176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: again you can't do that in general, in gcc you can declare a variable to be in a particular register
< 1220369178 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just write any assembly you like?
< 1220369191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in gcc you have to specify the inputs and outputs to each asm statement you write
< 1220369228 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should learn more about gcc, it seems to be incredibly awesome and great
< 1220369255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good for doing non-portable stuff, and most of the stuff you're asking about can't be done portably
< 1220369353 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care about portability, i mainly wanted to know whether that idea has been investigated
< 1220369378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc's asm is awesome compared to asm in all the other non-gcc-based compilers I've used
< 1220369388 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i invented it for my stack-language->brainfuck compiler as well, it's not really an invention; guess that's why i specifically asked whether it exists
< 1220369398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the others required you to guess where everything went when mixing asm and C
< 1220369402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the same source file
< 1220369409 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
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< 1220370390 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220370390 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | you are not allowed to use a printout?
< 1220370394 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220370395 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Ah. Fine ;).
< 1220370399 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
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< 1220371599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb.
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< 1220371886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> gcc lets you remove the padding with __attribute__((__packed__)) but I'm not sure if that'll work on non-32-bit systems, where your bitfields cross the boundaries between ints
< 1220371886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> manual shifting is safer, and easy
< 1220371887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220371890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in erlang it would be easy
< 1220371896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very easy
< 1220371906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what if you were on a system with 11-bit ints?
< 1220371911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that they exist, but they could do in theory
< 1220371934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 11-bit char
< 1220371942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have to be 22-bit int, 33-bit or 44-bit long
< 1220371950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and long long would be 66 bits or more
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< 1220372414 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster
< 1220372419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1220372421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the last I said?
< 1220372423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^
< 1220372427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> not that they exist, but they could do in theory <-- last I saw from anyone else
< 1220372429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said several lines after that though
< 1220372442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:11] <AnMaster> <ais523> gcc lets you remove the padding with __attribute__((__packed__)) but I'm not sure if that'll work on non-32-bit systems, where your bitfields cross the boundaries between ints
< 1220372442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:11] <AnMaster> <ais523> manual shifting is safer, and easy
< 1220372442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:11] <AnMaster> well
< 1220372442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:11] <AnMaster> in erlang it would be easy
< 1220372442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:11] <AnMaster> very easy
< 1220372475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://rafb.net/p/yehiAb75.html
< 1220372527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ means don't care in Prolog too
< 1220372558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well erlang doesn't do back tracking
< 1220372620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for union it would be harder
< 1220372641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would probably do it in two steps
< 1220372662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<Opcode:6,Parameters:26>>
< 1220372669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there was some easy way to see
< 1220372686 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220372689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, first bit set of Opcode means that it is a "Rinstr"
< 1220372692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could do:
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< 1220372730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<2#1:1,Opcode:5,Rs:5,Rt:5,Rd:5,Shamt:5,Funct:6>>
< 1220372735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2# for base 2
< 1220372760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Erlang pattern matching :)
< 1220372767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is so powerful
< 1220372794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of langs have powerful pattern matching, unfortunately most of the really popular ones don't
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< 1220372814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw some code to detect if it was a MPEG frame. the function prototype was: decode_header(<<2#11111111111:11,B:2,C:2,_D:1,E:4,F:2,G:1,Bits:9>>)
< 1220372822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MPEG frame header*
< 1220372865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway how many got such powerful bit matching syntax?
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< 1220372903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can also be used to construct, not just pattern match
< 1220372914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Prolog doesn't have bitwise variables but it can match arrays and tuples the same way as that, and likewise can construct the same way
< 1220372933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well erlang can do it for arrays and tuples too
< 1220372977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://rafb.net/p/C7qQoh24.html
< 1220373010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Prolog the entire lang's pattern matching, pretty much
< 1220373013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with backtracking
< 1220373045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well erlang doesn't use backtracking, doesn't really make sense for something "soft realtime" (which erlang is, not hard realtime though)
< 1220373053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really write more Prolog, it's a beautiful language but I haven't written more than simple test programs in it
< 1220373096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, back tracking wouldn't be good for something performance critical
< 1220373109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it depends on how deep it is
< 1220373125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write Prolog so that every predicate is deterministic, then all backtracking collapses into an if
< 1220373133 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-41-67.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220373143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does prolog have list comprehensions?
< 1220373156 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220373163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1220373165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what a list comprehension is, but I'm pretty sure from memory that it does
< 1220373168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi Mony
< 1220373186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1> L = [1,2,3,4,5].
< 1220373186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,2,3,4,5]
< 1220373203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you want to multiply each number in the list by 2
< 1220373211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use lists:map
< 1220373212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like:
< 1220373218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2> lists:map(fun(X) -> 2*X end, L).
< 1220373218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2,4,6,8,10]
< 1220373220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
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< 1220373228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that sort of thing's generally done using setof
< 1220373232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3> [2*X || X <- L ].
< 1220373233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2,4,6,8,10]
< 1220373236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that
< 1220373239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the list comprehension is mixed into the syntax of the rest of the language
< 1220373241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a list comperhension
< 1220373242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one
< 1220373245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :map of course isn't
< 1220373276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh?
< 1220373285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doublemember(A,L) :- member(B,L), A is B*2;
< 1220373288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220373291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you do setof(doublemember(A,L),A)
< 1220373292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2*X || X <- L ].
< 1220373296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a list comprehension
< 1220373299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :map() isn't
< 1220373303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost exactly your list comprehension just with more verbose synta
< 1220373305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/x/
< 1220373310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm yeah
< 1220373342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you can have several comma separated entries after the || there in erlang
< 1220373344 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "list comprehension" generally means "that, but with less verbose syntax" :-)
< 1220373363 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course all list comprehensions can be rewritten in terms of combinators like map
< 1220373369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes, a quick Wikipedia check shows that someone invented "Visual Prolog" which has a short syntax for a list comprehension
< 1220373373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed
< 1220373381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1> [ X || {a, X} <- [{a,1},{b,2},{c,3},{a,4},hello,"wow"]].
< 1220373382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,4]
< 1220373384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog tends to have consistent syntax rather than short syntax, though
< 1220373391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pattern matching everywhere! :)
< 1220373406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much syntax can be deduced from the rules of the language
< 1220373428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :; , ! :- are pretty much the only control flow operators you need
< 1220373433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :List comprehensions have been all the rage after Python did them; they added those to Javascript, too. (In Mozilla, although it might be in a later ECMAScript version too.)
< 1220373437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't need to write ; explicitly either
< 1220373476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um, erlang got if and case, but you can always use pattern matching instead
< 1220373491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however sometimes it is clearer with if and case
< 1220373498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than calling another function for it
< 1220373502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in Prolog it's always done with pattern matching
< 1220373510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with ,
< 1220373512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for if
< 1220373513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes
< 1220373514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sometimes the alternative is more readable
< 1220373525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on if you're used to reading Prolog, I suppose
< 1220373556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max(X, Y) when X > Y -> X;
< 1220373556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max(X, Y) -> Y.
< 1220373557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1220373564 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: trivial
< 1220373568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, indeed
< 1220373573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max x y | x > y = x
< 1220373574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still a nice syntax
< 1220373578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that looks like Prolog with a non-standard syntax
< 1220373578 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | otherwise = y
< 1220373580 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max x y | x > y = x
< 1220373581 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | otherwise = y
< 1220373586 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just getting that in line :P)
< 1220373591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is erlang
< 1220373599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me translate it into Prolog
< 1220373601 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max x y = if x > y then x else y
< 1220373610 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't hate if statements :<
< 1220373619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max(X,Y,R) :- X > Y, !, X=R
< 1220373625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the "when" keyword in erlang is a guard
< 1220373634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can be used with pattern matching too
< 1220373634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max(X,Y,R) :- !, Y=R
< 1220373639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... that can be shortened
< 1220373647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max(X,Y,X) :- X > Y, !
< 1220373656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max(X,Y,Y) :- Y > X
< 1220373659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X,Y,X?
< 1220373664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pattern matching
< 1220373669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it matches the argument to the function against the result
< 1220373673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it takes 3 parameters?
< 1220373676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no distinction in Prolog
< 1220373684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the return variable is always one of the arguments in Prolog
< 1220373689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1220373693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things return values through their arguments
< 1220373704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from pass/fail Booleans
< 1220373706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so everything doesn't have a value in prolog?
< 1220373714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: functions are only pass/fail
< 1220373716 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: prolog doesn't work like that
< 1220373717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220373719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not functions, predicates
< 1220373722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a totally different paradigm
< 1220373723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1220373736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Most actual digital computers have only a finite store." <<< wonder what turing meant by this exactly
< 1220373739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can put extra restrictions on their arguments as a side effect
< 1220373741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes though ais523 seem to suggest it is close to erlang
< 1220373746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and erlang is functional
< 1220373747 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not
< 1220373749 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than syntax
< 1220373753 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and functionalism
< 1220373754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, I was suggesting it had similar pattern matching facilities
< 1220373760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog is declarative, not functional
< 1220373783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I read that erlang is classed as something in between declarative and functional
< 1220373784 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, functional is declarative to an extent
< 1220373819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes, it can be, but it's not really crazy declarative like Prolog
< 1220373820 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that prolog is logic programming
< 1220373835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: apart from !
< 1220373842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cut messes things up so beautifully
< 1220373847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's pretty hard to explain
< 1220373849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ! do?
< 1220373876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: prevents backtracking backwards past the ! to earlier in the same predicate or an alternative to that predicate, backtracking has to go to a previous predicate instead
< 1220373889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh ok
< 1220373914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does Prolog support files? sockets?
< 1220373931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the best way to explain to a C programmer is that the difference between no cut and cut is a bit like the difference between if(a){do_a();} if(b){do_b();} and if(a){do_a();} else if(b){do_b();}
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< 1220373954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I'm an erlang programmer too :P
< 1220373960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not sure if that's in the standard library, the original implementation implemented files in a pretty quaint way with routines with silly names that tended not to be copied
< 1220373960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a bit
< 1220373967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but I don't know erlang and I do know C
< 1220373973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah true
< 1220373989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get the Prolog equivalence working properly, think of do_a() and do_b() as either doing nothing or not returning depending on whether they can do something
< 1220373990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, concurrency in prolog?
< 1220374011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they wouldn't mix well, loops in Prolog work differently from in most other languages
< 1220374019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can loop by recursion, which functional programmers are fine with
< 1220374026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes erlang does loops that way
< 1220374029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can loop by backtracking which is just weird if you're not used to it
< 1220374033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail recursion
< 1220374051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do you cause a backtrack to happen?
< 1220374064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: any command failing, normally due to a lack of pattern match
< 1220374080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, won't it give up at some point?
< 1220374083 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can look at http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/prolog.php for instance for prolog programs
< 1220374087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: when it runs out of possibilities
< 1220374088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it tried all possibilities
< 1220374094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so how could you loop then?
< 1220374102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: repeat. repeat:-repeat.
< 1220374113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, meaning?
< 1220374121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that translates roughly as "One way to repeat is to do nothing; another way is to repeat."
< 1220374132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok....
< 1220374133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that there are an infinite number of different ways to repeat, due to the recursion
< 1220374141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're kind of breaking AnMaster's brain
< 1220374153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is this like tail recursion? or does it eat up stack space
< 1220374163 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you;re thinking way too low level
< 1220374166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STACCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
< 1220374166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it doesn't eat up stack space, nor trail space
< 1220374172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1220374183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have a problem with nowhere to save data though unless you use things like assert
< 1220374198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so normally you implement your own leaky version of repeat so you can leave the loop at both ends
< 1220374209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now is the loopie actually done by writing stuff in the first repeat?
< 1220374217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, a non-tail recursion would eat up call stack space, while a tail recursive one would basically be translated to a goto to the start of the function
< 1220374218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't just infloop nop
< 1220374228 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's low-level thinking
< 1220374238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, a sample infloop printing hello world would be goal:- repeat, print("Hello, world!"), fail.
< 1220374238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolog is a Very High Level language, as they're called
< 1220374244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, "what the implementation is doing" thinking yes
< 1220374249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with that
< 1220374255 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is when you're thinking about the language
< 1220374262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh i see
< 1220374266 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's why a ton of things i try and explain to you go over your head
< 1220374267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I know the naive way to implement prolog, so I can think in terms of implementations too
< 1220374277 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but he's not thinking naively
< 1220374280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are less naive ways that run a lot faster though
< 1220374283 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's thinking about optimizations and stuff
< 1220374288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not productive in this situation
< 1220374302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm not
< 1220374306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you need to read several mathematical papers which I haven't read to understand how Prolog optimisation works, apparently
< 1220374320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to do an infinite loop, for example a thread dispatching messages
< 1220374326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you want tail recursion
< 1220374339 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, now I remember why I ignored AnMaster
< 1220374342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you will run out of memory after some 10000 loops or so
< 1220374342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better.
< 1220374352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now this is very erlang style of thinking actually
< 1220374365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because erlang is kind of a mix between high and low level functional language
< 1220374375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tail recursion or backtracking in Prolog to prevent running out of stack, a good implementation won't run out of trail in tail-recursion either unless you're doing something silly like building an infinitely-long list
< 1220374379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang supports so called "linked in drivers" to interact with native code
< 1220374394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example someone made a "SDL and OpenGL" linked in driver
< 1220374399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used by wings3d
< 1220374409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 3D modelling program written in erlang
< 1220374438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed, but *non* tail recursion...
< 1220374470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well you wouldn't use that if you wanted to write an infinite loop
< 1220374482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you'd run out of both stack and trail, probably irrelevant which one runs out first
< 1220374490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in stack overflows
< 1220374505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, exactly what I said...
< 1220374543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'd say erlang is both high and low level
< 1220374565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :high level functional programming is perfectly possible, but interacting with low level stuff is easy too
< 1220374597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very odd when you think about it
< 1220374600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Prolog is definitely high level, it doesn't even have anything very equivalent to what most languages call variables
< 1220374606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a general purpose programming language
< 1220374624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, variables are "one time assign" in erlang if that is what you mean
< 1220374644 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard somewhere that one of Prolog's original creators (or old developers) said that it would have been better off as a library in another language
< 1220374652 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anybody verify that?
< 1220374694 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's widely agreed on nowadays, I believe
< 1220374701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there *are* ways to get around that, for example using something called EDS tables, which are mostly used by the transaction database mnesia coded in erlang, it need to be stateful for obvious reasons
< 1220374708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: variables are not exactly one time assign in Prolog, they get narrowed down over time
< 1220374711 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Franz's Allegro Common Lisp has a prolog query language built in
< 1220374713 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: is there a semi-credible source for such a statement?
< 1220374717 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: my brain
< 1220374718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh that is a new one hehe
< 1220374722 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: so no :-)
< 1220374728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: cocks
< 1220374731 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no
< 1220374735 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they dont' generally remember things
< 1220374740 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, thought i was on to something then
< 1220374741 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1220374742 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor are they credible
< 1220374743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no semi-credible sources
< 1220374751 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oh I know some VERY credible cocks
< 1220374753 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN
< 1220374756 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I don't know what I mean.
< 1220374785 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: where do you get "it's widely agreed on", then :-)
< 1220374788 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :said cocks?
< 1220374794 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain
< 1220374863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: basically in SSA a variable gets a value once and never changes, in Prolog once it gets an actual value it never changes (although the assignment can be backtracked past), but variables can be unified with other variables causing the variables to have to have the same value once a value does appear
< 1220374879 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: your brain is that wide?
< 1220374891 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: my brain is a cock, i think
< 1220374968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i was going to avoid saying that
< 1220374979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's ok, i can take the immaturity of this channel to new levels
< 1220374979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1220374982 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220374984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just hard finding a good time to do so
< 1220374997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this sounds more like an automated logic proof checker or so
< 1220375001 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm it's also possible that my cock is a brain
< 1220375004 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'd be weird.
< 1220375015 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, weirder than this hypothetical "braincock")
< 1220375029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no, more like: you give it some rules, and it works out a result that fits with all the rules
< 1220375029 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: doesn't sound far off the mark, actually
< 1220375040 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's pretty much exactly it
< 1220375069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :question: will it do "any ok match" or "best match""
< 1220375070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say
< 1220375074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, were it not for the existence of ! that would be Prolog in a nutshell, ! throws the whole system quite out of kilter, which is why I like it
< 1220375076 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"any ok"
< 1220375090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have the coast line of africa and south america, and want to find the best possible fit
< 1220375095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "first match", and you can get subsequent matches using something like setof or failing when you get a match you don't like the look of
< 1220375099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :within a given error range
< 1220375120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in your case you could mess about with assert, which is another way to go insane in Prolog
< 1220375131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so prolog isn't suited for problems where there are "good" and "better" matches
< 1220375138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like best possible fit
< 1220375143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while no fit would be perfect
< 1220375153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not really good for anything but headlong depth-first search which is bad for that sort of problem
< 1220375167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of problem is trivial to specify in Prolog but very difficult to specify efficiently
< 1220375170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what language would you recommend for the problem I suggested?
< 1220375186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd recommend muture, if it existed yet
< 1220375187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220375190 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many albums have I downloaded today, 4 or 5?
< 1220375193 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 5...
< 1220375206 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one arrived that i'd bought
< 1220375207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not really sure, I can't think of one that fits offhand
< 1220375216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: sqrt(20)
< 1220375220 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I like all of them so far, so that's good
< 1220375222 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wowzers
< 1220375223 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer
< 1220375232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made muture exactly for that, running it as a human computer can already accomplish fun stuff
< 1220375248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually I would use the "coast line" at say 1000 meters below the sea, I read somewhere that is a much closer fit than the "real" cost line
< 1220375256 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-123-197.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220375269 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer
< 1220375303 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-123-197.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220375308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tectonic plates don't stop exactly at the seaside...
< 1220375314 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lies
< 1220375320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, true
< 1220375347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'd blame erosion I guess
< 1220375348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, i think britain is on the same plate as the rest of europe, and the north sea
< 1220375356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ ireland
< 1220375387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know
< 1220375394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, sea level change
< 1220375411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a relevant WP article...
< 1220375715 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epeiric_sea i think it was
< 1220375796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what *don't* you have vague knowledge about!
< 1220375848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a month or so since i discovered that article, and i had a hard time finding it again
< 1220375912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(turned out North Sea had a link to it)
< 1220375975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgression_(geology) is also relevant
< 1220375993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam.
< 1220376124 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost the game/
< 1220376342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg
< 1220376343 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea
< 1220376350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, tell me anyway
< 1220376364 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a client filter that filters out messages like 'the game', 'i lost the game', 'the game: you all just lost it', etc
< 1220376364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n.b. this tends to be my typical reaction to anyone who claims to have a new idea, not just you)
< 1220376429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he never claimed it was new
< 1220376441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wise move, probably
< 1220376636 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that was another good album
< 1220376742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you lisnin
< 1220376749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :izzi good
< 1220376762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, i said it was good but i was lying
< 1220376763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1220376767 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i tell the truth?
< 1220376780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how good was it?
< 1220376811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: because it's shiny!
< 1220376815 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-4% in base -9i2
< 1220376827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek
< 1220376844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, what is that % doing there
< 1220376892 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I had that thought approximately immediately when you said "Lost the game/"
< 1220376901 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: haha, awesome
< 1220376902 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because
< 1220376934 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I was interested enough to look at /help ignore but too lazy to write the regex
< 1220376985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: .*[Gg]ame.* should work for most cases
< 1220376997 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a bit too inclusive :-)
< 1220377018 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TH/\T'5 WH/\T Y0U TH1NK
< 1220377034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :false positives are okay for that important a filtering
< 1220377037 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the ".*"s surrounding it are spurious, as it will accept a regex match anywhere in the string if you don't anchor it with ^/$.
< 1220377052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, I didn't know whether it was anchored or not
< 1220377057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming anchored is more orthogonal
< 1220377086 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U \/\/ILL L0S3 TH3 G/\M3 /\NYH0\/\/
< 1220377127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have a Firefox extension to generate leet-speak, I only installed it for rot13 though and the leet came free with it
< 1220377145 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have that one too
< 1220377151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y()|_| J|_|57 L()57 7|-|3 64|\/|3
< 1220377159 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: GAME woul dwork with that, to
< 1220377160 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1220377162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question here is whether you have an extension to filter it, me thinks
< 1220377165 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU JUST LOST THE GAME
< 1220377175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it that's sufficiently leet that I can't decipher it myself
< 1220377178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1220377182 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1220377187 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an ircII script installed which did leet among other ugly formats, once.
< 1220377211 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did not convert from leet back to plain text, though.
< 1220377220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko
< 1220377233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the leet back to plain text converter worked fine on that string I pasted
< 1220377240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and okokokoko
< 1220377241 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a GAME fingerprint that maps A-Z to q?
< 1220377258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: wouldn't that be kind of pointless?
< 1220377266 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of?
< 1220377285 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just a "kind of", many kinds of.
< 1220377285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it should probably make all of A-Z print out the source code to the GAME fingerprint
< 1220377290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in different programming languages
< 1220377298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*, * -> *, * -> * -> *, etc.
< 1220377322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that a Haskell kind signature?
< 1220377323 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko
< 1220377324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, what for?
< 1220377324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko
< 1220377326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko
< 1220377330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a list of them
< 1220377332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kokokokokokok
< 1220377342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah
< 1220377432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>+[.----.++++]
< 1220377433 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko ...
< 1220377443 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a work of art
< 1220377448 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oko-approved?
< 1220377465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what oko approved?
< 1220377470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that program
< 1220377473 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>+[.----.++++]
< 1220377473 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko ...
< 1220377484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it
< 1220377493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially [.----.++++]
< 1220377512 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hmm
< 1220377517 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers setting up ESO's Shrine to Oko
< 1220377522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no
< 1220377522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's oko
< 1220377528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps himself
< 1220377537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's actually plp, there was an off-by-one error
< 1220377544 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like HAL?
< 1220377623 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the oko shrine will have everything getting bigger and smalling and flickering and will be impossible to navigate
< 1220377626 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you are amazing.
< 1220377643 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, oko.org is squatted :P
< 1220377658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently okoko is a surname
< 1220377670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I once saw a website about how not to design websites
< 1220377683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they'd invented a navigation system which was even worse than the one they liked least
< 1220377686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh
< 1220377691 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it called?
< 1220377696 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osuuspankki (a Finnish bank) has taken oko.fi; that's not surprising. (Although they're not using that domain any more.)
< 1220377715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were annoyed at navigation systems which just showed abstract shapes until rolled over
< 1220377723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you had to roll over each image to tell where you could go
< 1220377731 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how many 'ko's does an oko site need?
< 1220377735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they invented one where the targets of the link were randomised on each rollover
< 1220377735 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko, okokokokokoko, etc?
< 1220377737 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the domain)
< 1220377745 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: brilliant
< 1220377769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/mysterymeatnavigation.html?
< 1220377772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it
< 1220377840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well?
< 1220377855 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko, okokoko, okokokokokokokokokoko, ...
< 1220377855 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220378001 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Wikipedia Terrible Main Page Suggestion Combined With Bad Sig award goes to...
< 1220378003 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Icon
< 1220378063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: there's a Main Page redesign competition-like object going on at the moment, there are therefore many candidates for the Wikipedia Terrible Main Page Suggestion award
< 1220378069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the Combined With Bad Sig part
< 1220378080 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but that one is truly terrible, click the guys name and see it in action
< 1220378096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I've seen the barnstar in question befor
< 1220378098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/e/
< 1220378104 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but behind the logo?
< 1220378106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spinning?
< 1220378107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do I keep leaving off the last character of sentences today?
< 1220378125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: becaus
< 1220378163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I tend to look suspectly at anyone with 4 collapsible boxes of userboxes on their userpage, at least as far as main page design is concerned
< 1220378206 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, a wikipedia page that needs javascript
< 1220378225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: needs it?
< 1220378233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the collapse stuff is designed to work without JS
< 1220378234 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :contains stuff that needs it
< 1220378244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the way it's abused for userpages probably it does need the JS installed
< 1220378248 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't uncollapse anything with JS disabled
< 1220378257 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I do have JS disabled for wikipedia
< 1220378269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, it should autoexpand without JS, someone's been messing up the autocollapse code for userpage use
< 1220378276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a whole lot of dubious coding practices happen on userpages
< 1220378305 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... if you can position:absolute things on wikipedia
< 1220378313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could do a MySpace(TM) and make your completely own page
< 1220378316 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with just the basic chrome at the top
< 1220378326 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd probably be removed, but damn, gotta try that
< 1220378338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: an oko shrine would have to run really fast, wouldn't it?
< 1220378344 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because while oko code is not fast
< 1220378347 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it EMBODIES fast
< 1220378355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you can, but they started messing around with blacklisting various z-index messabouts because people were using them for trolling
< 1220378369 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah yes, that one
< 1220378373 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAWKY or something
< 1220378376 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ascii goatse
< 1220378380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the ones that spambots have used automatically will be blocked, so you'll have to write the code an entirely different way
< 1220378400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, the ascii goatse was something else but they blocked that too
< 1220378424 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220378430 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to incorporate oko javascript into this shrine
< 1220378436 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps news reports will be delivered by twitter
< 1220378444 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and got by making an ajax request to the archives
< 1220378451 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :applying a formatting language for multi lines, etc
< 1220378456 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and accounting for split over multiple messages
< 1220378458 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then rendering it in the page
< 1220378537 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.toad.com/gnu/sysadmin/index.html#firefox-eula-sux
< 1220378540 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hear her.
< 1220378541 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hear
< 1220378552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Firefox has an EULA?
< 1220378557 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: apparently
< 1220378562 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/05/23/firefox-eula/
< 1220378616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I never agreed to one on Ubuntu
< 1220378625 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: presumably ubuntu remove it
< 1220378632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what I assumed
< 1220378641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like an EULA does anything in open source software anyway
< 1220378648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: speaking of browsers, seen google chrome?
< 1220378650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, sed on a binary is pretty weird...
< 1220378655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I've heard of it, but not seen it
< 1220378658 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the process seperation is badly needed, and IE8 actually excels in this area
< 1220378669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a new javascript VM is a plus too, js kind of sucks these days + a sandbox = yay
< 1220378676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a lot of the UI ideas look quite nice
< 1220378686 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just about every browser is getting a new JS engine anyway :-P
< 1220378692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes :)
< 1220378698 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be coming out today for windows, apparently an os x version is following
< 1220378701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: apparently Slashdot has just decided that IEb2 uses more memory than Windows XP
< 1220378701 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then linux
< 1220378713 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no wifi, less space than a nomad, lame.
< 1220378731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nomad/monad/, or am I missing something here?
< 1220378750 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/23/1816257&tid=107
< 1220378788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ah, Slashdot editor deciding they didn't like the iPod
< 1220378796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cmdrtaco, even
< 1220378800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly there are still people who don't like iPods, quite a few
< 1220378801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a rather famous post
< 1220378808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are popular amongst the people who do
< 1220378818 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use an iphone
< 1220378822 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though mostly as a portable web browser.
< 1220378827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use a mobile at all
< 1220378831 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and ipod, though less often)
< 1220378837 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never call anyone, pretty much
< 1220378838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably my laptop's a portable web browser, though
< 1220378839 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except once recently
< 1220378841 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and texts are rare.
< 1220378846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a little bulky
< 1220378856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it needs to be in range of a wifi connection I can access
< 1220378881 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly I generally use it to feed my web addiction before I go to sleep :\
< 1220379162 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1220379165 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1220379320 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220379716 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1220379935 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kavoir.com/ <- crAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAzy
< 1220380319 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220380688 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh no.
< 1220380694 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, oh no, NO!
< 1220380695 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10026577-2.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Webware
< 1220380707 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh.
< 1220380710 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a fuckup.
< 1220380712 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do i opt-out?
< 1220380722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, isn't this shit illegal?
< 1220380743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what are you referring to, the fact that the page you linked had no text put a headline?
< 1220380748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/put/but/
< 1220380754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, no.
< 1220380755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it was just slow loading
< 1220380771 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more to the new advance in the war against privacy.
< 1220380818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally don't worry about such software because it's too incompetent to do its job properly
< 1220380832 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just hope it doesn't become competent
< 1220381227 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it exactly that you would want to be illegal?
< 1220381253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I couldn't specify it exactly, but stuff like that. Anyone can just identify me in a photo like that.
< 1220381259 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Obviously, it won't be that good, but that's the IDEA)
< 1220381282 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a violation of privacy.
< 1220381373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: where exactly is the violation? People teaching Google what you look at? Google using that information to find other pictures of you? Somewhere else/
< 1220381378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/at/like/
< 1220381395 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the violation is in the use of the feature to identify me & others
< 1220381408 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although since the feature has absolutely no other use, the feature itself is at fault
< 1220381430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: presumably it's for people tagging their own images Facebook-style
< 1220381434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to help them tag more quickly
< 1220381440 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, and I think that's bad too
< 1220381463 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care if a photo you took has me in it. without my explicit consent you have no right to identify the figure as me
< 1220381990 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
< 1220382010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the subject of Web Pages That Suck, they found this: <http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/worst-web-sites-of-2007-number10-moire.html> <-- warning don't visit if you suffer from epilepsy or similar problems
< 1220382032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, <http://web.archive.org/web/20060613061524/http://moire.ch/>, I copied the wrong link
< 1220382042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure you have JS on or you won't be able to see what's wrong
< 1220382066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god.
< 1220382073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't that, like, an art site thing
< 1220382076 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so it kind of makes sense
< 1220382078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably
< 1220382080 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without JS it's not that bad
< 1220382080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still...
< 1220382089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: have you tried with?
< 1220382100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I wonder if that could be done with CSS nowadays, probably it could be
< 1220382101 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think it's not a bad design for an arty kind of site
< 1220382107 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it couldn't
< 1220382108 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't dare :-)
< 1220382110 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no < operator in css
< 1220382113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: except for knocking you out when you move the mouse?
< 1220382114 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't say "the parent of X"
< 1220382118 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's art ;
< 1220382120 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*;)
< 1220382123 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rule would be:
< 1220382129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a:hover < body { background: ...; }
< 1220382131 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g.:
< 1220382141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#link-about-trees:hover < body { background: green }
< 1220382207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I reckon that design's inexcusable on any website, no websites should require the user to navigate with the keyboard because using the mouse drives them insane
< 1220382224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's the apparent harmlessness of it before you hover the links
< 1220382242 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it fits for a graphic design site, personally
< 1220382284 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, they've changed it - http://moire.ch/
< 1220382285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you're insane
< 1220382290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, no wonder they changed it
< 1220382293 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, and?
< 1220382319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: most websites don't kill their users when they move the mouse from one end of the screen to the other
< 1220382328 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be an awesome site
< 1220382334 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ekillyourselfonline.com
< 1220382338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I wouldn't want to visit it, though
< 1220382343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the e in your name for it
< 1220382352 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They could travel back in time and put commercials on superbowl
< 1220382363 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd only cost $100million to make.
< 1220382367 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220382375 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and think of the benefit: people could eKill themselves! online!
< 1220382380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: there are standards for that sort of thing, the London 2012 Olympic adverts had to slow down because they flashed too quickly
< 1220382415 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the seizures were because it sucked so much
< 1220382418 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because of the flashes
< 1220382445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seizure the moment
< 1220382447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: they were, they have an automatic seizurometer
< 1220382458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had to slow it down to 1/4 of the speed to explain what they were talking about on the news
< 1220382459 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man I want one of them
< 1220382466 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220382467 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you said
< 1220382470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seizuromater
< 1220382481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm... that doesn't even make sense
< 1220382482 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egiveyourselfaseizureonline.com
< 1220382485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seizuron
< 1220382520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's lightweight cousin, the seizurino
< 1220382524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its
< 1220382643 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Okay, I was just checking that you don't advocate illegalizing facial recognition algorithms or something insane like that. (And sure the feature has other uses: you could use it to tag pictures from your collection containing the face of someone who consents, like yourself. In any case, it would probably be pretty hard to make it illegal to offer that sort of feature.)
< 1220382685 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, you can easily identify yourself without automatic recognition...
< 1220382692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's...not hard...
< 1220382746 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend with permission, then. And even tagging pictures containing yourself is hard if there are gazillions of them. Although I fail to see why anyone would want to add a "hey_look_its_me_hey_look_hey_look" tag.
< 1220382758 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eDeath sounds like something far less serious than death.
< 1220382796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> seizure the moment <-- heh
< 1220382797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lots of people tag photos on places like Facebook, I don't really understand it myself but apparently Facebook's quite popular
< 1220382806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also the fancy design iDeath, which works straight out of the box
< 1220382826 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You mean with plain old death you need to install all kinds of patches to make it work right?
< 1220382849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1220382864 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, plain old death is ok but kind of buggy
< 1220382875 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dthxi is the patch one
< 1220382888 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death bugs might explain all the zombies that seem to be around.
< 1220382891 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iDeath is fashionable. Hipsters use it. Slogan: Die Different.
< 1220382896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah
< 1220382903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220382912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, :D
< 1220382917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dthxbye _thinks_ it is fashionable
< 1220382944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about plain old Death?
< 1220382963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't been fashionable for eons
< 1220382967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1220382970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenDeath
< 1220382973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is always that :D
< 1220382978 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1220382979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :death = windows
< 1220382979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220382985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, good point
< 1220382985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _does_ have a large installed base, though
< 1220382993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dthxi = linux
< 1220382993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iDeath = os x
< 1220382993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were my analogies
< 1220383021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1220383063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, But some use the much more secure OpenDeath ;P
< 1220383084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they think so
< 1220383094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was the Death Machine with its AI technology, but it was not commercially viable
< 1220383100 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, I parodied apple with iDeath and am arguably an Apple fanboy but apparently openbsd fanboys can't bring themselves to do that
< 1220383115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hah you are right
< 1220383127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I both like and dislike openbsd
< 1220383147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on one hand, they made some pretty good stuff: OpenSSH, the pf firewall...
< 1220383166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other: social skills = *even* less than tusho ;)
< 1220383198 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220383217 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais
< 1220383219 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aos
< 1220383220 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1220383255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho:
< 1220383259 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1220383309 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your :'s line up! Awesome.
< 1220383315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:
< 1220383330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not really, given that the lines contain the same characters in a different order
< 1220383358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh commutativity
< 1220383523 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :45
< 1220383537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :656566969667596767665654657767444454646364454423435534432323321
< 1220383545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :61
< 1220383566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unsigned bignum)-1
< 1220383571 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1220383585 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+ 1 MOST-POSITIVE-BIGNUM)
< 1220383592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beth-aleph-aleph-3
< 1220383604 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://jwz.livejournal.com/854482.html)
< 1220383618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/-/_/g
< 1220383637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/[a-zA-Z]/A/g
< 1220383652 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAA_AAAAA_AAAAA_3
< 1220383670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAA AAAAA AA AAAAA!
< 1220383687 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ha ha, a joke from uncyclopedia
< 1220383690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are always funny
< 1220383705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: someone even based an esolang on it
< 1220383711 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unfortunately.
< 1220383716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strange thing about that joke is it has no obvious reason for existing
< 1220383726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even an obvious reason why it's funny
< 1220383730 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: most uncyclopedia jokes are like that.
< 1220383732 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/AAAAAAAAA!
< 1220383735 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't really have a justification.
< 1220383739 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: thank you, captain obvious!
< 1220383743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... can a joke be funny if it has no punchline, and no setup?
< 1220383748 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1220383751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the null string, for instance?
< 1220383756 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Very few things are truly justified" -- Oscar Wilde
< 1220383765 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: more like, preventing others from having to search for it
< 1220383773 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here's a funny joke:
< 1220383776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUNNIES!
< 1220383782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nowadays, you can justify anything if you have a decent word processor
< 1220383784 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("BUNNIES!" is not a punchline.)
< 1220383796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ragged text is a lot nicer to read, though.
< 1220383813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it was a good idea, and not everyone agrees with you
< 1220383819 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220383825 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think AnMaster would disagree very much
< 1220383827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEMURS!
< 1220383830 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: probably.
< 1220383836 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, uncontroversial is for screen use
< 1220383841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sentence is not a punchline.
< 1220383844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> oerjan: nowadays, you can justify anything if you have a decent word processor << :D
< 1220383847 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been studied a lot and proven that for screen use at least, ragged text is a LOT nicer
< 1220383860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not an original joke, I misquoted it from somewhere
< 1220383865 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer it overall, but for screen use there's really no controversy
< 1220383868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Oscar Wilde did surprisingly well without one
< 1220383876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I always use justified text
< 1220383879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much easier to read
< 1220383880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: on Wikipedia enough people wanted justified that they made it a preference option, and the devs hate adding preferences
< 1220383881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even on screen
< 1220383889 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ew
< 1220383893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I use monospace of course
< 1220383897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ragged is the default
< 1220383898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when programming
< 1220383900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^
< 1220383919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, justifying program code is the sign either of an insane mind or an IOCCC entry
< 1220383930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, haha :D
< 1220383937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster:
< 1220383941 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you do not have to highlight everyone
< 1220383942 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: all the time
< 1220383946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um i think one of those is contained in the other
< 1220383947 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because if they've just talked
< 1220383951 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then they're paying attention
< 1220383953 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to the channel.
< 1220383954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I do tend to justify block comments however
< 1220383955 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: thank you.
< 1220383966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah thanks for that :D
< 1220383972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much easier to read
< 1220383978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1220383981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to nick-prefix when there's more than one conversation going on at once
< 1220383990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and there was there for a bit
< 1220383998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gooses
< 1220383999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I have two conversations at once with the same person in the same channel I normally nick-prefix one and not the opther
< 1220384012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1220384014 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ais523: oerjan: In future I'm going to nickping everyone active when I want to address everyone
< 1220384015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that is strange
< 1220384019 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ais523: oerjan: so i'm sure they can see it
< 1220384031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with ais523 however there
< 1220384044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm going to do something else: tusho
< 1220384044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: optbot: fungot: that can get annoying when some of the addressees are irrelevant
< 1220384045 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gambit's compiler is somewhat better than realtime, meaning joe and jane average don't use linux
< 1220384045 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No. Everyone would have to leave here to keep the secret.
< 1220384051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to nick suffix: tusho
< 1220384061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to do something different too
< 1220384064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic: AnMaster
< 1220384071 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just did it! ais523: i bet you can guess what it is
< 1220384075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it classic? didn't know that, ais523
< 1220384114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think I'll have a go at compiling newlib into brainfuck:AnMaster
< 1220384119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :middle-fix it, tusho? I guess so
< 1220384121 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't wanna guess?
< 1220384129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way I don't have to implement more than about 8 or so functions
< 1220384138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a couple of them are trivial
< 1220384140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, still don't have internet at home btw?
< 1220384149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no: AnMaster
< 1220384152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1220384154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An: i like circumfix :Master
< 1220384181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't highlight (oerjan) highlight me
< 1220384196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oTeHrAjTa nC:O U L D   M A K E   I T   H A R D   T O   H I G H L I G H T
< 1220384197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1220384219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now please nobody tell me off for shouting
< 1220384219 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm?
< 1220384238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otehrajta, atjarheto?
< 1220384242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1220384257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :highlight(ais523).
< 1220384263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I'm surprised neither of you figured out what I just did
< 1220384274 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm waiting ais523
< 1220384275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, rot13?
< 1220384283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :railfence can be hard to read but I put one set of characters in uppercase and the other in lowercase to make it easier
< 1220384290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the uppercase and lowercase separately
< 1220384305 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do you mean didn't figure out
< 1220384305 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG
< 1220384307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerja that?
< 1220384308 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all 2003 logs are gone from http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1220384315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, huh?
< 1220384317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's strange
< 1220384330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: do you still have them saved for optbot?
< 1220384331 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nothing really
< 1220384334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have to comment on every obvious thing
< 1220384338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep
< 1220384364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so upload them somewhere
< 1220384375 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh? There's still old/esoteric-03.zip there.
< 1220384381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1220384450 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220384455 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :P
< 1220384483 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this nef guy dead?
< 1220384494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does't seem to have updated thinsg since like 2006
< 1220384992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ZZZZZZZZZZ"
< 1220385302 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@m-105.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220385330 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right; happened across that old old Penny Arcade comic the earlier webdesign conversation immediately reminded me of: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/1999/3/3
< 1220385363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you visit the website in question with JS on?
< 1220385373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: is tunes dead?
< 1220385377 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep
< 1220385380 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely
< 1220385385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one discussed here? Nope.
< 1220385387 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some years now
< 1220385390 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: tunes.org
< 1220385412 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was kind of wheezing out the last breaths it could manage in 2003, 2004
< 1220385418 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but had been inactive a little before that
< 1220385425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since then it's just a ghost town
< 1220385443 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are still people in #tunes but they never speak until you comment on how dead the place is and they joke that it'll be active again one day.
< 1220385768 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, that's the first time I've seen someone claim that the IE team has "imperial contempt for the world and all its people" seriously
< 1220385780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where?
< 1220385789 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6z460/official_google_blog_a_fresh_take_on_the_browser/c059gba, third child now
< 1220385790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*down
< 1220385924 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God damn. hoodwink.d (http://hoodwink.d/) is still down.
< 1220385928 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220385938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.d?
< 1220385941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a real TLD?
< 1220385950 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, you have to add hoodwink.d to your hosts file to go to it
< 1220385964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does it actually have a domain name then?
< 1220385974 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, but the ip doesn't work directly as it hosts multiple sites
< 1220385977 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to add it to your hosts
< 1220385978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all you could aim, say, example.com there if you really wanted to
< 1220385985 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220385987 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Host header would be wrong
< 1220385997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's a site+greasemonkey script by why the lucky stiff that lets you comment on any site at all
< 1220386003 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses xpath expressions to find out where to put the comment box
< 1220386009 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little underground toy thing and it was a lot of fun
< 1220386016 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometime in 2007 it just stopped working. :(
< 1220386033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually sounds like an interesting idea
< 1220386050 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1220386051 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@217.202.126.40 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220386069 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: one of the funniest was on wikipedia
< 1220386079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people put nonsense articles in the comments for nonexistent articles
< 1220386090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you could actually go there and see the article, albeit not in the content box
< 1220386157 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey perhaps i could revive it myself
< 1220386161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Nah. Nobody would use it.
< 1220386184 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there have been at least some "leave comments on any site" thingies; never have used any of them, though.
< 1220386200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this one was funnier, though, because of the undergroundness of it all
< 1220386209 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had its own little forum which didn't do any foruming at all
< 1220386216 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just had a hoodwink.d entry and put that in the content area
< 1220386227 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all it handled was giving a new uri out on request
< 1220386234 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to top it off, you couldn't see it
< 1220386237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you went there, it just wasn't there
< 1220386241 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everything was display: none
< 1220386244 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you had to add a user style
< 1220386327 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye for a while (hour or so)
< 1220386351 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of time zone was tusho in, anyway?
< 1220386412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: UTC+1
< 1220386417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same as me
< 1220386536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay.
< 1220386645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any java fanboys here?
< 1220386659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, we tend to scare them out of existence
< 1220386659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that the mentioned zeepmobile.com site only works in the US sort-of confused me.
< 1220386667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, good
< 1220386674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220386678 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you need a Java fanboy for?
< 1220386711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I was looking for a fight with someone, since I tried to make a java app run and it just cause all sorts of problems
< 1220386733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1220386752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's a ##java or something.
< 1220386766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, are you ignoring randomly currently?
< 1220386826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will love this (and no: I'm making a joke, I don't really care about it, I was looking for something else when I came a across this) "Intel® VTune™ Performance Analyzer 9.0 for Linux" ... but I can't use it, not free software
< 1220386828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1220386833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.intel.com/cd/software/products/asmo-na/eng/vtune/239145.htm btw
< 1220386847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for ICC for Linux x86_64 download actually
< 1220386853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I needed to try something out
< 1220386885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Intel invented powertop too IIRC, that's something that Windows has no real hope of replicating atm
< 1220386899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but powertop is open source
< 1220386903 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't ICC a bit non-free, though?
< 1220386903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I like it and use it
< 1220386908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed it is
< 1220386913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I need to make sure stuff compiles
< 1220386929 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does cfunge compile on VC?
< 1220386939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it does compile on ICC
< 1220386957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but current software uses X, my P3 that got ICC on it doesn't have X
< 1220386969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even have any screen
< 1220386971 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM? DMC? Comeau?
< 1220386983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, gcc-llvm tested, works fine
< 1220386984 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Borland?
< 1220386987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMC and comeau?
< 1220386991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what they are
< 1220386997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSVC doesn't do C99
< 1220387004 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220387006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Borland, don't plan to pay anything
< 1220387016 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm somewhat surprised you haven't at least heard of Comeau
< 1220387026 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess it's more of a C++ thing
< 1220387029 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Borland compilers are available, I think. At least some of 'em were at some point.
< 1220387031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pretty much nobody does all of C99, gcc implements the more often used bits though
< 1220387032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Comeau sounds slightly familiar
< 1220387036 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220387040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err ICC does it more or less
< 1220387051 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comeau has pretty much the best standards support AFAICT
< 1220387054 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not free though
< 1220387057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220387057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220387061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Sun CC?
< 1220387063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get ICC for no cost
< 1220387072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it supported C99 nowadays, I might be wrong though
< 1220387075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free as in beer, but not open
< 1220387105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and about C99, iirc the ICC frontend is pretty good, oh and GCC are working on it too
< 1220387113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC is getting better at C99
< 1220387119 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat evidently: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5265/bjayy?a=view
< 1220387122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the problem is that gcc's only about two-thirds of a compiler
< 1220387129 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gcc.gnu.org/c99status.html is looking reasonably good already.
< 1220387135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the libraries need to handle it too, also the linker
< 1220387164 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on windows, the problem is the libraries
< 1220387182 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSVCRT doesn't have any C99 stuff
< 1220387202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn complex.h is broken
< 1220387205 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if it lacked some obscure part of C90, too :-P
< 1220387211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was planning a project using complex numbers
< 1220387212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1220387216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to use something else
< 1220387220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do the maths myself
< 1220387238 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you might want to check what "broken" actually means
< 1220387250 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, VLAs are "broken" but most cases probably work fine
< 1220387250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and I got syntax errors from Visual Studio C++ Express or whatever it is called
< 1220387254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also get Borland C++ Compiler 5.5 free-as-in-beer too. Very new; released in the year 2000.
< 1220387255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not very broken, it probably just doesn't conform with the specs in some cases
< 1220387258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was 2005 edition or 2008 edition
< 1220387263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and it was a legal C99 think
< 1220387265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing*
< 1220387270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: where? I still have bc4 at home
< 1220387275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be an upgrade for me...
< 1220387279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ip ips[];
< 1220387281 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, it doesn't support C99 so that's not unexpected.
< 1220387282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at end of struct
< 1220387286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, exactly
< 1220387294 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.codegear.com/downloads/free/cppbuilder
< 1220387332 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had 4.x from a pcplus magazine cover CD, too. That was some time ago.,
< 1220387384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it do C99 at all?
< 1220387389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is it for Linux?
< 1220387393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have windows any more
< 1220387396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it's for windows and is C89/C++98
< 1220387398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since several months
< 1220387402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then
< 1220387409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an improvement, bc4 was well before C++98
< 1220387411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no point in even trying cfunge under it
< 1220387425 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also the command-line stuff only; I had the IDE parts of bc4 too.
< 1220387438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so its C++ wasn't very standard, I have #ifdefs all over my C++ code that I wrote to compile on both bc4 and g++
< 1220387445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, I have the IDE parts too
< 1220387447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICC handles the parts of C99 that cfunge use, So does GCC
< 1220387455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however there is a known library issue on FreeBSD
< 1220387463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeBSD lacks sinl() cosl() and such
< 1220387465 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comeau is the only compiler that supports the C++98 feature "export templates"
< 1220387468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie, the long double ones
< 1220387480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "export templates" what is that?
< 1220387499 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google it, I can't easily explain it in a few lines
< 1220387504 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you're unfamiliar with C++
< 1220387510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I know some basic stuff
< 1220387519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, yes Deewiant's right here
< 1220387520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know similiar concepts from other languages
< 1220387524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :templates are bad enough as they are
< 1220387525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have coded in C#
< 1220387527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit that
< 1220387543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, aren't templates like type generic classes or such?
< 1220387547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can cause all sorts of weirdness in C++, for instance they can do Turing-complete calculations at compile time
< 1220387552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie List<int> List<string>
< 1220387553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1220387555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1220387561 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in the simple case
< 1220387562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a bit, well a lot really except there are a huge number of edge/corner cases
< 1220387569 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also Factorial<10> can give 3628800
< 1220387577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok *that* is strange
< 1220387578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a compile-time constant
< 1220387583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my
< 1220387594 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hehe, good luck copying stuff from CCBI when the next version comes out
< 1220387600 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses templates a /LOT/ to generate code
< 1220387602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well the simple case here, that is about what C#'s generic classes implement
< 1220387608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ouch why?
< 1220387614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and does D have that really
< 1220387616 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simpler that way
< 1220387620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're oh so esoteric
< 1220387621 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, D's templates are more powerful than C++'s
< 1220387623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, + you can't do that for all fingerprints
< 1220387631 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean
< 1220387632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no they aren't, C++'s are turing-complete
< 1220387636 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even know what I do :-P
< 1220387653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the stuff I reuse is basically when the fingerprint specs are too vague and you have already implemented it
< 1220387658 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I suppose you know what I meant
< 1220387660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I implemented my SOCK not looking at your
< 1220387662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1220387676 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your NULL I suppose ;-)
< 1220387684 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think C# generics have more in common with Java generics than C++ templates. Does C# even do code generation with them? Java ones at least are implemented with that type erasure thing.
< 1220387694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and a lot more
< 1220387710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, issues are stuff like butterfly operator in TOYS
< 1220387727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 3DSP since I don't know matrix manipulation
< 1220387742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Java templates are an utter mess, they tried to retrofit them to a language that doesn't like them
< 1220387745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think they could be done at runtime
< 1220387766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as a result you have a lot of random arbitrary casts and such trying to get things to the right data type
< 1220387773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway doesn't lisp have some sort of powerful macros?
< 1220387774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1220387776 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're not even called "templates" there.
< 1220387792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could approximate that using C++ templates!
< 1220387792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1220387794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Lisp macros are like text substitution on steroids
< 1220387798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah
< 1220387805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're more like #define than template<typename x>
< 1220387807 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D's have approximately the same power as those of Lisp
< 1220387807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how does that factorial one work?
< 1220387813 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the syntax is of course much uglier
< 1220387815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1220387816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: recursion in the template definition
< 1220387819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220387821 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they don't currently work on ASTs directly
< 1220387823 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only strings
< 1220387829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't write it offhand though, I'm not very good at writing C++ templates
< 1220387836 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it an occasional pain to work with
< 1220387844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also another thing with C++
< 1220387851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cout << foo;
< 1220387863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck does bitshift have to do with STDOUT?
< 1220387864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1220387865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: operand overloading
< 1220387873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but it is silly operator overloading
< 1220387876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense
< 1220387877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1220387877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is "nothing, so we can use the << operator for something else"
< 1220387884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that is confusing
< 1220387885 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a bad choice
< 1220387891 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly :-P
< 1220387904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really operator overloading has it's uses
< 1220387918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you implement a class that does number as fractions of BIGNUMS
< 1220387934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's sane operator overloading, go and talk about it in a sane channel
< 1220387936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can represent stuff like 1/9 precisely
< 1220387944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could overload / * and so on
< 1220387955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but using << for "write to output"
< 1220387956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220387958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can overload casts too in C++
< 1220387960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just insane
< 1220387963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um huh?
< 1220387966 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you've actually seen D's templates in CCBI already, mixin (Code!("NULL")) and so forth
< 1220387973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like define (int) to mean something different on your class
< 1220387977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can cast it to int easily
< 1220387980 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so that you can do (int)bignum
< 1220387999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although C++ has 4 different types of cast so you can explain to the compiler why you're doing it
< 1220388007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of which can only be resolved at runtime
< 1220388019 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray for 5 different ways to cast
< 1220388027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of polymorphism, the time an object looks like at compile time is not necessarily the type it actually is
< 1220388034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/time/type/
< 1220388082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to see template nastinessitude, Boost is a nice place to look at; for example Boost.Lambda, http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_36_0/doc/html/lambda.html -- I _think_ the implementation was pretty template-heavy.
< 1220388108 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is rather extreme in any case.
< 1220388108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah ok
< 1220388110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1220388130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> although C++ has 4 different types of cast so you can explain to the compiler why you're doing it
< 1220388130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> one of which can only be resolved at runtime
< 1220388134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 different ones?
< 1220388135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUH?
< 1220388143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of two
< 1220388148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: const_cast which adds or removes const/volatile
< 1220388148 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 5
< 1220388152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"have say (foo) explicitly"
< 1220388152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1220388158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"happens automatically"
< 1220388166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :static_cast which is for casts that can be calculated at compile time
< 1220388167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like double bar = somefloat
< 1220388176 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the latter, implicit casting, wasn't included
< 1220388178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic_cast is the one that only works at runtime
< 1220388179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah ok, makes sense I guess
< 1220388180 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: with that, it's 6. :-P
< 1220388186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten what the fourth named one is
< 1220388190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, dynamic cast?
< 1220388191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1220388192 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reinterpret_cast
< 1220388201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and that is?
< 1220388206 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember
< 1220388209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah yes, taking the bit pattern of something and interpreting it as a different data type
< 1220388210 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only ever use static_cast
< 1220388212 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With dynamic_cast<Foo*>(bar); you get a NULL out of it if "bar" is not a Foo pointer. Or something like that.
< 1220388216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like interpreting a pointer as an int
< 1220388221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ever heard of union
< 1220388222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220388237 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And reinterpret_cast is the one which looks most like the C casts.
< 1220388237 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: want to define a new union type every time you do that?
< 1220388241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but that's type-punning and that's wrong, in fact it can be optimised to not work correctly in some cases in C++ I think
< 1220388243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220388254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, type-punning?
< 1220388257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in C
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< 1220388284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's an example in the GCC docs, say you have a union of a float and an int, then you assign to the int and return a pointer to the float to the function, then access a float through that pointer
< 1220388285 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_punning
< 1220388287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if union breaks the compiler is obviously wrong
< 1220388304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not necessarily going to have been set from the bits of the int, according to the C standard, it might just read garbage
< 1220388307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I do use float/int unions
< 1220388308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the aliasing rules
< 1220388315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think I return pointers to one of them
< 1220388319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well on gcc it only breaks when pointers are involved
< 1220388330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no pointers except to the whole union
< 1220388333 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; the C standard says that if you write a union using one member, you must not read it through any other member.
< 1220388343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<wikipedia> For example, reading from a different union member than the last one written invokes undefined behavior, but the effect in practice is usually to permit type punning.
< 1220388354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it does?
< 1220388358 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it does.
< 1220388362 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there was the wikipedia quote.
< 1220388364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the heck can you then store a float in an int
< 1220388367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc deliberately allows it to work in the situation when you write from one and read from the other without doing anything tricky
< 1220388369 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can't.
< 1220388375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1220388380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: read up about the strict aliasing rules some time
< 1220388383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you can, memcpy()
< 1220388385 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementation-defined, not portable and all that.
< 1220388388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it works under other compilers too
< 1220388394 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: eh?
< 1220388399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah good point
< 1220388405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you can access both of them via unsigned char pointers
< 1220388408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :safely
< 1220388417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually well-defined? wow.
< 1220388418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned char is special with respect to the aliasing rules
< 1220388425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was special-cased in the standard
< 1220388427 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that rings a bell, yes indeed
< 1220388428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nice, so I just do: (float*)(unsigned char*)&myint?
< 1220388447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably that should work
< 1220388461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, not sure though
< 1220388471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :float would have to be the same size as int for that to make sense
< 1220388480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the result's going to differ depending on padding, etc
< 1220388491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes it would be int32_t actually
< 1220388514 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not certain the memcpy apporach is safe; surely you can read all the bits of a float with memcpy (or through a unsigned char *), but the bit pattern might be some sort of a trap representation when interpreted as int. You could store the _value_ of the bytes in the integer if it's large enough, of course.
< 1220388518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so you mean you can't implement FPSP, FPDP and 3DSP in any portable way?
< 1220388530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :course you can, you can memcpy
< 1220388548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and emulate 32-bit float yourself on targets which don't have it
< 1220388558 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1220388562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: unsigned int isn't allowed to have trap representations
< 1220388566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that you're right
< 1220388567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well actually I would just error out on those
< 1220388572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, uint32_t isn't
< 1220388575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was adding size checks in cmakelists today
< 1220388576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned int is
< 1220388591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "trap representations"?
< 1220388595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Okay, I was in fact thinking there might be something special when one of the parties is an integer.
< 1220388607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if it's signed, you can have problems
< 1220388617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a trap representation's a number that causes a program to error if it's used
< 1220388619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would be in FPSP and FPDP
< 1220388624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since funge space is signed
< 1220388631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for 3DSP
< 1220388646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x80000000 is common as a trap representation on 32-bit systems, and is in fact the only value allowed for one in a 32-bit signed int by the standard
< 1220388656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more systems don't have a trap representation at all
< 1220388660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though
< 1220388660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway how comes no tools "warn portability" checks actually warn about using an union there?
< 1220388675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because everyone does it anyway so no sane compiler manufacturer would break it
< 1220388679 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, with a large enough signed integer you could store the value of the float bytes in there.
< 1220388681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah good
< 1220388687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll just depend on it then :)
< 1220388695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: or enough unsigned chars
< 1220388715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but if you only have a single funge-cell to work with.
< 1220388717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um what if I want to use something that happens to be 0x80000000
< 1220388746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example will those systems crash when the unix timestamp hit that value?
< 1220388746 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@d6-224.rb.gh.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220388748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the range of int doesn't include that number
< 1220388752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on such systems
< 1220388754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's signed int
< 1220388761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so int isn't 32-bit?
< 1220388763 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so such systems break 1 second earlier than other systmes
< 1220388782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes it is, it's -2^31-1 to +2^31-1 with one trap representation
< 1220388790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 2^32 possibilities total, so 32 bit
< 1220388798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway we will all have 64-bit timestamps by then
< 1220388809 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they might break harder; a trap representation might cause hard abort()s or something, instead of some sort of wrap-around.
< 1220388812 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will we? I doubt it.
< 1220388815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what about those systems that doesn't have a trap?
< 1220388821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they roll over, normally
< 1220388824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well linux already got it in kernel iirc
< 1220388839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but incrementing a signed int past its maximum is undefined behaviour
< 1220388846 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what will happen to embedded systems
< 1220388849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact gcc takes advantage of this on occasion
< 1220388856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, good question
< 1220388878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it does?
< 1220388897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does Funge-98 say what should happen on funge cell overflow?
< 1220388901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined I think?
< 1220388910 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1220388927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does CCBI trap SIGPIPE?
< 1220388929 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it doesn't.
< 1220388943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's undefined in C for signed integers, wraparound for unsigned
< 1220388943 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bit representation is probably also unspecced
< 1220388954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this implies that unsigned can only have trap representations if it also has padding
< 1220388954 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, CCBI does nothing with signals.
< 1220388958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if it doesn't your SOCK could be non-conforming
< 1220388969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, since you would crash on a SIGPIPE iirc if not handled
< 1220388973 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do the SOCK specs say I have to trap SIGPIPE?
< 1220388973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of reversing
< 1220388980 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@indigo.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220388981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, they say you have to reverse on error iirc
< 1220388984 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/text/GE/GE.Basic.1965.102646121.pdf
< 1220388991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and you get SIGPIPE on error
< 1220389003 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's not an error, that's a signal. :-P
< 1220389008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so just ignore SIGPIPE and use the PIPE return value
< 1220389015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes but it is caused by an error
< 1220389016 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but in all honesty most likely tango does something
< 1220389024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I guess so
< 1220389028 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can you whip up a test program?
< 1220389060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not really, it happens on network errors iirc
< 1220389104 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I can just netcat something and Ctrl-C, or?
< 1220389105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually hm
< 1220389130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always heard it applies to sockets too, however http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGPIPE seems to say it is pipes only
< 1220389138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1220389138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: netcat and ctrl-d probably
< 1220389160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is for sockets too right?
< 1220389177 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigpipe verily applies to sockets as well
< 1220389183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :)
< 1220389186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not sure, I don't know all that much POSIX yet
< 1220389198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you edit on wikipedia right? go fix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGPIPE :P
< 1220389219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1220389219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyone can edit Wikipedia
< 1220389222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :send() can return EPIPE
< 1220389232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, except I refuse for religious reasons :P
< 1220389261 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your religion doesn't prevent you from inciting others to do so?
< 1220389271 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and send() will give you a SIGPIPE if the socket has been shutdown(foo, SHUT_WR)ed, for example.
< 1220389271 0 :megatron!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220389300 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it might happen because of some network error too; at least it doesn't seem to be forbidden.
< 1220389316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed doing that is the command of the higher force
< 1220389345 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this higher force sounds like an idiot
< 1220389351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah yes so if remote end does shutdown() on it?
< 1220389359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hehe :D
< 1220389902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one of the changes from C90 to C99 was to remove any restriction on accessing one member of a union when the last store was to a different one"
< 1220389902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220389907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://wwwold.dkuug.dk/JTC1/SC22/WG14/www/docs/dr_257.htm
< 1220389912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's to do with type punning in unions
< 1220389916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that was I was reading
< 1220389919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quoting above
< 1220389925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically someone suggested that it should work the way that you suggested
< 1220389929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the standards body said no
< 1220389939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, they say no to just about every defect report raised
< 1220389945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it costs a lot of money to submit one to them
< 1220390007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> "one of the changes from C90 to C99 was to remove any restriction on accessing one member of a union when the last store was to a different one"
< 1220390015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about that then?
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< 1220390040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that sentence I can't figure out which direction the change was in
< 1220390409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm http://wwwold.dkuug.dk/JTC1/SC22/WG14/www/docs/dr_283.htm
< 1220390455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well they didn't even answer...
< 1220390482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n980.htm
< 1220390485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is that too
< 1220390499 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220390721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://wwwold.dkuug.dk/JTC1/SC22/WG14/www/docs/dr_236.htm
< 1220390854 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if C99 had relaxed the aliasing rules re type-punning with unions, I'm still pretty sure that a float interpreted as int might well be that one allowed trap representation of a signed integer.
< 1220390904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, So FPSP and FPDP are basically broken?
< 1220390927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for me it is just int64_t btw
< 1220390931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not int32_t
< 1220390935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: AnMaster: luckily not with IEEE floats, 0x80000000 happens to be an invalid float
< 1220390949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah which I actually say in README is needed
< 1220390969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * cfunge requires IEC 60559 floating-point arithmetic (please see Annex F in
< 1220390969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   ISO/IEC 9899 for more details.)
< 1220390983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why does it require that sort of float arithmetic?
< 1220391010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I'm not sure if 0x00000080 is an invalid float though, what if floats are big-endian and ints are little-endian?
< 1220391029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, because it is needed for FPDP and FPSP. You can't be sure it works otherwise
< 1220391036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I do double too
< 1220391039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in FPDP
< 1220391048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :union over 2 32-bit ints
< 1220391082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what if you're using 64-bit funge?
< 1220391104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that could break badly if you're compiling 32-bit on a 64-bit system
< 1220391116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the two ints could quite possibly have 32 bits of padding between them
< 1220391139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm
< 1220391146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that I know a way to fix
< 1220391150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :called pointers
< 1220391164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory they could have 32 bits of padding between them anyway, but compilers tend not to do that without a reason
< 1220391198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be possible to access an int32_t at an address evenly divisible by sizeof(int32_t) I assume?
< 1220391233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be rather tricky to handle stuff if that wasn't true
< 1220391244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced, probably, but that's asking about alignment and all sorts of weird stuff happens when you think about alignment
< 1220391257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe someday I'll write a DS9K implementation that aligns all structs to prime numbers
< 1220391263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway if you like, rewrite FPSP and FPDP to be strictly conforming then!
< 1220391282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memcpy is your friend
< 1220391284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a little slow
< 1220391290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a little slow yes...
< 1220391305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway that wouldn't work for double
< 1220391307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on int32_t
< 1220391315 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can easily imagine a system where int32_t is implemented as a 64-bit quantity with padding; perhaps because the system does not do any <64-bit access and the implementor doesn't want to do any shifting around.
< 1220391317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if what you say about padding ever happens
< 1220391318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: accessing a char is always aligned
< 1220391333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just memcpy 4 chars at a time
< 1220391353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you're assuming 8-bit char, some systems have 9-bit char but I seriously doubt cfunge would run on those the way you're doing things
< 1220391375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I need to handle FPSP and FPDP
< 1220391385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I need to conform to other parts of the befunge specs
< 1220391392 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With that int64_t, you could also store the 32-bit float bit-pattern as the value of an integer with something like: float f; int64_t i; ... unsigned char *p = (unsigned char *)&f; i = p[0] | (p[1] << 8) | (p[2] << 16) | (p[3] << 24);
< 1220391393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1220391417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, that's the sort of thing that can be done correctly
< 1220391423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220391434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, USE64 vs. USE32 is decided at compile time
< 1220391437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if -fweb and -O3 are on then gcc might not even slow down as a result
< 1220391438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the size of funge cells
< 1220391439 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course that assumes CHAR_BIT == 8, sizeof(float) == 4 and sizeof(int64_t) == large enough.
< 1220391445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that makes everything more complex
< 1220391450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -fweb is implied by -funroll-loops
< 1220391471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sizeof(int64_t) == 64/CHAR_BIT
< 1220391472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always
< 1220391476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how int64_t is defined
< 1220391498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fweb... oh god
< 1220391507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly does -fweb do?
< 1220391521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: allows the compiler to change which register it's holding a register variable in midfunction
< 1220391542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I don't declare any variable with register...
< 1220391543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it near-impossible to explain to a debugger what's going on, but if you ask for funroll-loops it assumes you don't care much about that anyway
< 1220391553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: -O3 auto-registers variables when it helps
< 1220391560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think -O2 does too, for that matter
< 1220391564 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BaKKK
< 1220391582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ggdb4 obviously needs to be invented ;)
< 1220391599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: google chrome is out
< 1220391601 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for windosw
< 1220391602 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm
< 1220391605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/chrome
< 1220391609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: does it run in Wine, I wonder?
< 1220391613 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1220391620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their own browser?
< 1220391632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you use Windows Live search in it? XD
< 1220391634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION parallelz it up
< 1220391683 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you should be able to "portably" store a 32-bit IEEE float in a "long", since the value range of long is [-(2^31-1), 2^31-1] and that's enough distinct values to hold all the IEEE floats, which have at least that one illegal value.
< 1220391726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well unless anyone complains I won't change current one, unless you can come up with one universal and sane solution :P
< 1220391743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hardly expect anyone to use cfunge on non-x86/x86_64
< 1220391755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I'm not downloading it anyway because I don't like their EULA
< 1220391763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if someone actually hits an issue with it in a non-contrived case then I shall fix it
< 1220391768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually potentially enforceable because you have to agree to it pre-download
< 1220391769 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given how common the "union of float and int" (or even "union of int and pointer") approaches are, the current way probably works just about anywhere.
< 1220391772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however until that happens...
< 1220391781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it gets around many of the common problems with enforcing EULAs
< 1220391789 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you want your cfunge to work on a DS9K? :p
< 1220391801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well tell me what DS9K is
< 1220391805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I may answer
< 1220391806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: would you consider an automated C to brainfuck translater to be a contrived case
< 1220391814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=DS9K, I wrote that article
< 1220391818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does it do such aligning issues?
< 1220391828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have*
< 1220391842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh that, and then: yes
< 1220391843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no alignment issues on gcc-bf, it aligns to 8 bits
< 1220391849 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And then-"
< 1220391856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DS9K has all alignment issues possible, except when you want it to
< 1220391865 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220391866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I checked it on 32-bit and 64-bit x86
< 1220391869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC and ICC
< 1220391871 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.90.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220391879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once clang is ready I plan to make sure it works there too
< 1220391884 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1220391886 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. it's open source, just remove the eula
< 1220391887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently I can't get clang to build even so ;P
< 1220391888 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then recompile
< 1220391897 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 2. is it the stuff about sending your browser history to google
< 1220391900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that has a setting to turn it off
< 1220391909 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, that being default is the most braindeaded thing ever
< 1220391934 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | i just meant, when you start going oracle, you might wanna rethink what it means for something to be "O(n)"
< 1220391953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Was cfunge-0.3.0 recent enough to run fungot?
< 1220391953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's the stuff about if you use any of their services they can change their Ts&Cs without telling you and if you use their services again you're bound by the new Ts&Cs
< 1220391953 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and more plus shipping ( honest). other scheme implementations but guile is my favorite. i.e. you never have to
< 1220391963 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dude. everything has that
< 1220391967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm... let me check
< 1220391968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously: everything
< 1220391985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well nowadays I don't agree to EULAs that require that, that's like zombifying yourself in Agora
< 1220391999 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: every EULA has done that since I can remember.
< 1220392000 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have bzr here. :/
< 1220392002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how am I meant to check the Ts&Cs for scams when they can change while I'm looking
< 1220392002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no
< 1220392006 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't avoid it.
< 1220392010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, only later ones got SOCK it seems
< 1220392021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you can, most computer games come with a fixed EULA for instance
< 1220392025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't change behind your back
< 1220392027 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, games
< 1220392030 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that/
< 1220392034 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all online services have it
< 1220392035 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most software.
< 1220392051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so next release (a few weeks I guess, but I never make promises about that) will have it
< 1220392058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well I don't agree to online services with those sorts of rules nowadays, and most software I use doesn't have EULAs at all
< 1220392063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the current development version is stable enough to run it though
< 1220392067 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: enjoy your 1999
< 1220392068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 28 different trivial modifications to BSD
< 1220392071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, actually core is pretty much stable
< 1220392083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I'm not on the Internet that much, so why should I rely on online services?
< 1220392084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ais523: about the aliasing issue
< 1220392089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :berkely sockets
< 1220392096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time I spend on the Internet is on IRC and email...
< 1220392096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to cast there
< 1220392110 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn chrome is fast
< 1220392113 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in parallels
< 1220392114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's an exception in C99 just so berkeley sockets work, amazingly
< 1220392116 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFORMATION SUPER HIGHWAY
< 1220392122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is?
< 1220392145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can union structs as long as they start with the same members and you only access those members, and the union's visible from the declaration of both structs
< 1220392148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, any browser is fast here...
< 1220392152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a really weird rule when you think about it
< 1220392157 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but this is superspeed. :)
< 1220392169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, would anyone notice?
< 1220392173 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220392180 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rendering times have a long way to go
< 1220392187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it is still restricted by network speed for me
< 1220392191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 mbit down
< 1220392200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, you're bound by rendering speed
< 1220392202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly
< 1220392205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I wonder how much they modified WebKit?
< 1220392211 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't think much
< 1220392219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, they based it on webkit?
< 1220392222 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1220392224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just unmodified Safari or Konqueror stuff, or is it Special Google Nonevil Webkit
< 1220392225 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's open source, too
< 1220392226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well long live konqueror then
< 1220392229 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-163.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220392238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nonevil? is webkit evil?
< 1220392244 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: konqueror is pretty much terrible.
< 1220392258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: when Google make a version of something, their version is by definition less evil than the original
< 1220392260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, agreed, but not the rendering really, it is a bad browser in other aspects
< 1220392275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Google sold fluffy kittens then your fluffy kittens would be evil by comparison to theirs
< 1220392280 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you slept yet.
< 1220392284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no
< 1220392285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, google is evil :P
< 1220392293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1220392299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I may have been sarcastic over my past few comments
< 1220392299 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google are as evil as any corp except they're cooler so.
< 1220392311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, does it support gopher ;)
< 1220392319 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a gopher link, i'll test.
< 1220392328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sec
< 1220392333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: try it on anagolf with the back buttons, that has some weird breakage on Konq
< 1220392341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, gopher://inspircd.dyndns.org/
< 1220392348 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nope, treats it as a "needs external program"
< 1220392355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1220392361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless then
< 1220392367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live lynx!
< 1220392368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1220392379 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: works fine
< 1220392386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, they must have fixed that bug then
< 1220392397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Konq is really confusing, all the labels end up on the wrong buttons
< 1220392403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or inside text boxees
< 1220392404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees how fast gmail is
< 1220392407 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for the heck of it, tried to build cfunge development version on this 32-bit ppc OS X thing. Dies when building SOCK; INADDR_NONE not defined.
< 1220392427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INADDR_NONE's just a constant 0, isn't it?
< 1220392429 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this shit owns, even in parallels
< 1220392431 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parallels is a dog
< 1220392473 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, google, now you have to release an os x version
< 1220392475 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immediately.
< 1220392476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, chrome doesn't have a search box?
< 1220392480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1220392483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's the URL bar
< 1220392485 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the address bar is an everything bar
< 1220392491 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the awesomebar, except even more awesome.
< 1220392494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe I don't want to end up on google every time
< 1220392502 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can configure the search engine
< 1220392502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I want another search engine
< 1220392508 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :believe it or not
< 1220392508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I'd argue less awesome, in that the awesomebar adjusts itself to websites you visit
< 1220392515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as does this
< 1220392519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, actually I prefer firefox 1.5 theme
< 1220392522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer that look
< 1220392526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess few agree
< 1220392530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to me it is great
< 1220392547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm one of the 3 people in the world who actually likes Ubuntu's default colour scheme
< 1220392553 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm another
< 1220392556 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Usually I think it's ((in_addr_t)-1). It's the "error value" from inet_addr, but it's a bit problematic since it's also a valid address.
< 1220392558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By keeping each tab in an isolated "sandbox", we were able to prevent one tab from crashing another"
< 1220392559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1220392562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/why.html?hl=en
< 1220392563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1220392569 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wtf about that
< 1220392569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any browser should do that
< 1220392571 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's perfectly reasonable
< 1220392576 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they don't
< 1220392579 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only chrome and IE8
< 1220392584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1220392589 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1220392603 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it takes the tab=sandbox idea even further
< 1220392607 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all JS alerts, etc are contained within it
< 1220392611 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not separate OS processes though?
< 1220392613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect ff people are working on it
< 1220392620 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't lock up the browser with [[while (true) { alert("lol") }]]
< 1220392623 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for JS alerts, I think they are
< 1220392630 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there's an open bug for that anyway
< 1220392660 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh: "/usr/bin/ld: unknown flag: -O1"
< 1220392663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one annoying thing about that site is it seems to do OS detection
< 1220392670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I had to fake my useragent to get the Windows download
< 1220392678 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, i can understand why they did that
< 1220392679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have support for addons?
< 1220392682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like firefox does
< 1220392683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it just links to the Linux deveopment plac
< 1220392685 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't think so not yet
< 1220392686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/e/
< 1220392688 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's open source
< 1220392690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := only a matter of time
< 1220392692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can create googlecustomise for it
< 1220392693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wlel
< 1220392694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220392695 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this isn't really a 1.0 release anyway
< 1220392708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing click tracking and ads from google using their browser would rock
< 1220392708 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i just used firefox in parallels
< 1220392709 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220392709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220392733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: now compare it to the blazingly fast speed of C-INTERCAL's INTERCAL-to-C conversion
< 1220392741 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does that render HTML yet?
< 1220392743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not MAKE IT SO
< 1220392749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is so much faster than the gcc step that runs after it there's no point optimising
< 1220392749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c2html
< 1220392753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that exists
< 1220392759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like it
< 1220392760 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nothing to do with this
< 1220392807 0 :fungOSX!n=fungot@qeq4.kyla.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220392819 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1220392820 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's fungot running with cfunge on ppc-32/OS X.
< 1220392821 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's a nice way to remember that? tell me a good number, though? is it php? peice of cake
< 1220392825 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best bug ever
< 1220392830 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i closed a rickroll tab
< 1220392831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungOSX
< 1220392834 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the music CONTINUED PLAYING
< 1220392835 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1220392837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... hi fungot
< 1220392838 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you read my article in the kb has character fragments on it which the computer executes. it's intended to implement a ports driver? my current one, looping back to where/ how to start doesn't seem that bad
< 1220392840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck!
< 1220392841 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the language model files there, so no talking. :p
< 1220392843 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it stop!
< 1220392847 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220392854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: permanent rickrolls?
< 1220392861 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bet they did it intentionally
< 1220392861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a new browser feature?
< 1220392882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: does it happen for anything but rickrolls?
< 1220392884 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo optbot
< 1220392884 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot optbot
< 1220392885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The following page(s) have become unresponsive. You can wait for them to become responsive or kill them.
< 1220392885 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: HP 48gII.
< 1220392885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[gmail]"
< 1220392885 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's so fucked about it?
< 1220392886 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: i meant the bored thing :) like forcer and riastradh, and lecture him. i didn't download any software. that's just the highscores :p) with the bad decisions.
< 1220392887 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: 2(d-1)
< 1220392887 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: that's rather strange. looks fine to me
< 1220392888 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How ironic!
< 1220392888 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: well we have nothing to worry about
< 1220392889 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: or, as liquidengineer might say, i'm a tcler when being serious. and a bad thing... i learn very much from your solution... thanks :)
< 1220392889 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ~exec sys.stdout( [i[1] for i in inspect.getmembers(self.f) if i[0] == "func_code"][0] )
< 1220392890 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: i'll try to explain with a srfi? the editors were constrained to quite a few!!! fnord! fnord
< 1220392891 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it can't curry a lambda yet
< 1220392893 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MAN
< 1220392894 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHA
< 1220392898 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the sad macs?
< 1220392902 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get a sad tab.
< 1220392910 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was in the cartoon
< 1220392911 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right down to the pixelly black-and-white
< 1220392915 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes
< 1220392916 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in person...
< 1220392930 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cartoon also said "it really does look like that" OWTTE
< 1220392936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: oh dear, I'm starting to like Chrome less and less as time goes on
< 1220392942 0 :fungOSX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220392946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not a fan of the sad mac?
< 1220392955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: in a browser?
< 1220392963 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's after a tab has been killed due to crashes
< 1220392967 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a tab with a sad face
< 1220392972 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just happens to be pixelly and black and white
< 1220392976 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and say "Aw, snap!"
< 1220392976 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220392988 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a lot of this crap is due to me running it under parallels
< 1220392991 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is less than perfect.
< 1220393056 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1220393183 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man
< 1220393186 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :resizable input widgets
< 1220393188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank GOD
< 1220393199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermore will i have to deal with shitty tiny text areas
< 1220393268 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220393367 0 :chromeeeee!i=5b695a84@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f54810dec49e9bd3 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220393375 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that was fast.
< 1220393376 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::~
< 1220393377 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1220393392 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am typing to you from mibbit running in google chrome running in parallels running in os x
< 1220393395 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1220393405 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220393413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi chromeeeee, presumably you're tusho?
< 1220393413 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byebye linus
< 1220393416 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no
< 1220393432 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name is Ritanj
< 1220393433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, same IP, anyway
< 1220393439 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ritanj Urban Muller
< 1220393443 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ritanj Urban Muller Lite
< 1220393458 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be specific, Ritanj Urban Cherry-On-Top Muller Advertising Campaign Lite-Lite
< 1220393477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, definitely tusho
< 1220393481 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@217.201.195.101 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220393483 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what.
< 1220393485 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is tusho.
< 1220393502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chromeeeee: the other person in this channel from the same IP who talks the same way as you
< 1220393507 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, him
< 1220393508 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore him
< 1220393510 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's stupid
< 1220393555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he should be banned
< 1220393574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament has already banned him many times because of his outrageous behavior
< 1220393589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but his brother is an fbi agent, so there's not much we can do
< 1220393625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with all the drugs and prostitution going on @ the esolang wiki
< 1220393641 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a prostitute and a drug
< 1220393642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1220393655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> There's fungot running with cfunge on ppc-32/OS X.
< 1220393656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1220393656 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ask again?) :) smileys fall from the blue sky, sadly.)) the .x. .y. stuff is code that loops over each ip....
< 1220393659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it compiled?
< 1220393668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fungot> :) smileys fall from the blue sky, sadly.
< 1220393668 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so what's the optimal compression thingy for bf-sc? :) imagine if the state paid for the fnord health, therefore you might now want him to beg?!
< 1220393669 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you are not a prostitute or a drug
< 1220393670 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chromeeeee: hah perl again
< 1220393673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's poetry
< 1220393686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fungotty
< 1220393690 0 :fungotty!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi
< 1220393691 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungotty: using esc all the time while awake.' wikipedia
< 1220393698 0 :fungotty!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: hi
< 1220393699 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungotty: yeah
< 1220393700 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1220393701 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: one of the copies in http://www.bloodandcoffee.net/ campbell/ proposals/ optional.text. but before css, the scheme model of efficient and concise elegance wins me over the nose every time i see it
< 1220393701 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what other things?
< 1220393702 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: waiting at 4am for code to be portable i assume? and the tools fro eopl on a regular basis is firefox.
< 1220393702 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: :P
< 1220393703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you need to do anything special to make it compile and work?
< 1220393703 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: ah. of course, impossible in any lower scheme) but it looks like it's fairly simple :p
< 1220393703 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is amazing micropoetry
< 1220393704 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: G! {M[m(_f)(Fib)!<20>(_f)(fib).?]}
< 1220393704 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: also tell me if this isn't required to actually mutate the original list? ( cadr expr) is sufficient."
< 1220393706 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ok
< 1220393720 0 :fungotty!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1220393738 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :":) smileys fall from the blue sky, sadly." "using esc all the time while awake.' wikipedia"
< 1220393743 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two great peieces of art from fungot
< 1220393743 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chromeeeee: now youve failed 365 times.
< 1220393748 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three pieces.
< 1220393764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can you run mycology under cfunge on PPC?
< 1220393767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like fungot's last comment, I thought it was from a human for a moment
< 1220393768 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there an irp interpreter in the mini-funge..." you said did it... :)
< 1220393770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'd love to see the results
< 1220393779 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220393782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mibbit died
< 1220393803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: chromeeeee's still responding to pings
< 1220393812 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts
< 1220393813 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220393814 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it works
< 1220393863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I need to sleep, hope you will tell me tomorrow
< 1220393864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1220393876 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: forth line of poetry?
< 1220393877 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chromeeeee: i must depart now. i'll fix it.)) the golden ratio" achieved by the shortest known 99 bottles of beeron the wall! 97 bottles of beer
< 1220393890 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the longest line yet, and the best
< 1220393894 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing is poetry don't you think ais523?
< 1220393908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are all these "'s and ))'s
< 1220393908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 bottles of beeron the wall! 97 bottles of beer
< 1220393913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have fungot in #irp
< 1220393914 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lamenting on how fast things end (i must depart now)
< 1220393914 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not exactly scheme, but i didn't had his code and he hadn't died. he was supposed to combine these so that the left and right chunks, would not treat ( foo fnord fnord) are best at fnord fast code by way of combinatory logic, as opposed to
< 1220393919 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet how they can continue within ourselves
< 1220393920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: fungot isn't very good at punctuation yet
< 1220393921 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: please tell me :) but i guess i left it around here somewhere. i've only skimmed the paper. the web server has been rebooted though the program doesn't
< 1220393921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'll fix it.)
< 1220393925 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it has a seperator, ))
< 1220393928 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if a buffer
< 1220393932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we're hit by the next piece of text
< 1220393937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the golden ratio"
< 1220393938 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cut off
< 1220393940 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could be there?
< 1220393943 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is: we can't know.
< 1220393946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things are fleeting.
< 1220393952 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"achieved by the shortest known 99 bottles of beeron the wall! 97 bottles of beer"
< 1220393961 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our obsession with achivements, and our illogicalness: 99 to 97?
< 1220393964 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes 99, 98, 97
< 1220393967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone quotedb this whole conversation for about two screensworth, please
< 1220393967 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is mathematics
< 1220393975 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans are not based on mathematics.
< 1220393976 0 :chromeeeee!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1220393980 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are illogical, and fungot help us realise this.
< 1220393981 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well nm then but thx for help :) the number tower is one thing which you might want to sync all possible disks and so on. the scheme system has the best design; however, i'm doing it
< 1220393997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well nm then but thx for help :)" the humbleness, denying its own meaning, somehow enrichens the meaning
< 1220394006 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically using net speak
< 1220394060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you do it!
< 1220394070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such overwhelming irony
< 1220394072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night really!
< 1220394075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have no idea how quotedbs work
< 1220394077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and night
< 1220394081 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you select text
< 1220394084 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you put it in the box
< 1220394085 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hit submit
< 1220394088 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and watch it get rejected.
< 1220394123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let's use ESO's quotedb, then
< 1220394130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can choose not to reject it
< 1220394130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that bastion of existance
< 1220394145 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exemplifying the best virtues of existance, apart from existence
< 1220394192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define an existing unicorn to be a unicorn that exists. By definition, an existing unicorn exists. As some kind of unicorn exists, therefore, at least one unicorn exists.
< 1220394204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's pink and invisible.
< 1220394218 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Praise be.)
< 1220394248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in NetHack unicorns can be invisible and still black/grey/white
< 1220394291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night AnMaster
< 1220394464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: where's the logical fallacy in that?
< 1220394567 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Here's everything I did to make it compile: http://zem.fi/~fis/cfunge.diff.txt -- this is gcc-4.0.1 so therefore the -Wfoo flag commenting; linker here is not GNU ld but "Apple Computer, Inc. version cctools-622.5.obj~13" so the linker flags had to go; and the SOCK getaddrinfo usage would make that last change unnecessary.
< 1220394606 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((in_addr_t)-1) is a wonderful example of C's ambiguity
< 1220394613 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a cast or a subtraction
< 1220394632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: depends on the namespace of in_addr_t
< 1220394638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well i know the answer myself, so no need to answer, since you most likely know more about logic than me :P
< 1220394638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes FIXME comment is there
< 1220394640 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course
< 1220394642 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even so
< 1220394651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as for linker flags please provide a patch that detects linker
< 1220394655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can fix to detect compiler
< 1220394659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not linker
< 1220394669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can do that: great!
< 1220394671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: autotools?
< 1220394678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better even: check if flag is supported
< 1220394681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by trying to link
< 1220394682 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And mycology results: http://zem.fi/~fis/mycology.txt
< 1220394686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/chromium/ google chrome source
< 1220394693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah no bad
< 1220394737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw iirc INADDR_NONE is POSIX?
< 1220394767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have my copy of POSIX here on this laptop right now.
< 1220394784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what OS is it running? Windows?
< 1220394790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: os x.
< 1220394809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what version of OS X btw?
< 1220394819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSX is POSIX, isn't it
< 1220394825 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and certified unix
< 1220394833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It might need some other header, then.
< 1220394844 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: INADDR_NONE is mentioned in the inet_addr man page of this thing.
< 1220394852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Windows didn't fail the UNIX certification tests when it was tested, it's not entirely obvious that it passed either
< 1220394862 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How on earth did that work?
< 1220394865 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean ... fork.
< 1220394879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       #include <sys/socket.h>
< 1220394879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       #include <netinet/in.h>
< 1220394879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       #include <arpa/inet.h>
< 1220394884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: apparently certain things are allowed to be unimplemented
< 1220394889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, those are mentioned in my inet_addr man page
< 1220394893 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But fork is a basic pillar of UNIX!
< 1220394902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Same here plus <sys/types.h>.
< 1220394902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I include all three
< 1220394919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, check if it is in sys/types.h please
< 1220394930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well Windows has CreateProcess, doesn't it?
< 1220394933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anway I include sys/types.h already too
< 1220394936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for other reasons
< 1220394936 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nowhere near the same thing!
< 1220394936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be used to implement fork eventually
< 1220394937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so..
< 1220394954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they'd only have needed an implementation that produced the right answers on the testsuite
< 1220394974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in <netinet/in.h>, actually; I wonder why it didn't see it.
< 1220395010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include <netinet/in.h>
< 1220395010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"going home"
< 1220395013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is included
< 1220395015 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the First Poem of Fungot:
< 1220395017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[:) smileys fall from the blue sky, sadly.
< 1220395017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using esc all the time while awake.' wikipedia
< 1220395017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now youve failed 365 times.
< 1220395017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must depart now. i'll fix it.)) the golden ratio" achieved by the shortest known 99 bottles of beeron the wall! 97 bottles of beer
< 1220395018 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nm then but thx for help :)]]
< 1220395022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so that makes no sense
< 1220395049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ah, it's in <netinet/in.h> but inside a #ifndef _POSIX_C_SOURCE .. #endif block.
< 1220395068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADD_DEFINITIONS(-D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=200112L -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=600 -D_XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED)
< 1220395079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, unless you messed with that too?
< 1220395085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I did.
< 1220395090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, then why the heck?
< 1220395097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wtf
< 1220395102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#ifndef _POSIX_C_SOURCE"?
< 1220395106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean "#ifdef"?
< 1220395147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; #ifndef.
< 1220395158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ok that is strange
< 1220395175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway since I plan to replace that :)
< 1220395193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and you need to come up with a way to find what linker flags are ok
< 1220395201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they don't think it's POSIX, and therefore want to avoid introducing that identifier if the program requests POSIX compliance. Can't check the standard right now, though.
< 1220395202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do it for compiler flags
< 1220395203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1220395214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a command for that in cmake
< 1220395215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I need to sleep. I'll consider that tomorrow. ->
< 1220395222 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:
< 1220395223 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1220395224 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you fins
< 1220395224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thanks
< 1220395225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220395226 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all use that ->
< 1220395228 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody else does
< 1220395242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, interesting observation
< 1220395248 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: It's a cultural thing. Being a heathen foreigner, you wouldn't understand.
< 1220395250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night too
< 1220395250 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i've observed it before
< 1220395253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with oklopol and Deewiant
< 1220395254 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now fizzie too!
< 1220395258 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they all use iki.fi
< 1220395267 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they all act in just about the same way
< 1220395284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, they are the same person
< 1220395288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using different nicks
< 1220395288 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because we're all clones. Uh, I mean, nothing.
< 1220395293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, really, sleepery.
< 1220395293 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, there are 2 people in finland
< 1220395300 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they're just really similar.
< 1220395305 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 of them are in this channel
< 1220395324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, how many are there in UK and Sweden in your opinion?
< 1220395334 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none
< 1220395337 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK is finland
< 1220395340 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweden is the UK
< 1220395359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah that is just a fake
< 1220395363 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no
< 1220395367 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll understand one day
< 1220395369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, the real Sweden is hidden
< 1220395373 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220395377 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the swedish language is a hoax?
< 1220395385 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricksy buggers, you swedes
< 1220395386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah no it actually isn't
< 1220395388 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's ban them all
< 1220395389 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes it is
< 1220395392 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you talk telepathically
< 1220395400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, not really, we make everyone think it is a hoak
< 1220395402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoax*
< 1220395406 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1220395406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no one tries to learn it
< 1220395421 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about hoaxologists
< 1220395424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus we can talk shit about other ppl on IRC
< 1220395428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without those understanding
< 1220395428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220395439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what are hoaxologists?
< 1220395440 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noble cause
< 1220395446 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: people who olog hoaxes
< 1220395459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm I'm not familiar with that
< 1220395468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so afraid I can't really answer
< 1220395471 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they're secret
< 1220395474 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're hoaxes, too
< 1220395477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, interesting
< 1220395498 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example: ais523 is a hoax
< 1220395502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you?
< 1220395504 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not a hoax if a hoax hoaxes a olog
< 1220395509 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i am an olog
< 1220395524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I got to say I can't follow you
< 1220395530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you confused me :P
< 1220395543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1220395547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be a olog
< 1220395553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be an olog
< 1220395557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ;P
< 1220395569 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: swedes olog hoaxes if they olog hoaxes telepathically with the 5 of the 2 people of sweden in a box that carries the car over there.
< 1220395589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, um we hidden the rest
< 1220395596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a total of five billion
< 1220395597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1220395602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just we hide that too
< 1220395605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, no, no, they're like finland
< 1220395609 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except their finland is not a UK
< 1220395610 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoax
< 1220395612 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ologising
< 1220395613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no that is *another* hoax
< 1220395626 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, you're a hoax
< 1220395628 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation is a hoax
< 1220395631 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really exist.
< 1220395633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, we really pulled the best 1 April joke on the world
< 1220395633 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must olog it.
< 1220395638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except we never told anyone
< 1220395641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they still believe it
< 1220395641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1220395642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220395659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, not sure I can olog it...
< 1220395660 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, but the hoax is not believed by the hoaxologists, who olog hoaxes so that finland is ended
< 1220395662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can log it though
< 1220395665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not the o bit
< 1220395666 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple, really
< 1220395683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1220395686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(log n)?
< 1220395689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1220395694 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that has an n
< 1220395695 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(log)
< 1220395697 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the very FUNCTION log
< 1220395700 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's first-class
< 1220395701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1220395704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm
< 1220395705 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lambda hoax, passed around by finns
< 1220395706 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via UK post
< 1220395711 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in their hoax domes
< 1220395717 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where they invent poems and irc bots and ->
< 1220395739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok as they said in some Monty Python (dead parrot iirc): This sketch is getting too silly
< 1220395746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really I need to sleep
< 1220395764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^<->v
< 1220396144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...hoax domes
< 1220396215 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1220397487 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220397491 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. Ok.
< 1220397492 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedes.
< 1220397493 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finns.
< 1220397494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UKs.
< 1220397497 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoax domes?
< 1220397506 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not IRC bots, unsurely. ->?
< 1220398418 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who the heck taught me how a rocket works?
< 1220398438 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quit parodying my surelies. :-P
< 1220398605 0 :minirop!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220400238 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1220402858 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1220405536 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
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< 1220413251 0 :dogface!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220413534 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | you obfuscated, failed or... are weird?
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< 1220420666 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1220421765 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220422032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense the time of go.
< 1220422033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"
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< 1220424555 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1220425177 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
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< 1220428984 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1220429788 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220433121 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@sparkgw.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1220435134 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | hopefully it isn't with oerjan again, or there'll be a longer wait before you get it back this time because you'll have to wait for them to be online
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< 1220444817 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot...
< 1220444818 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: and I'm not writing a C library to give continuations to INTERCAL
< 1220444849 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Why not?
< 1220444849 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i have to sleep now canÄz zype anymore---
< 1220444859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a lame cop-out to me!
< 1220444876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: brilliant
< 1220445367 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1220446045 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) smileys fall from the blue sky, sadly.
< 1220446046 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using esc all the time while awake.' wikipedia
< 1220446046 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now youve failed 365 times.
< 1220446046 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must depart now. i'll fix it.)) the golden ratio" achieved by the shortest known 99 bottles of beeron the wall! 97 bottles of beer
< 1220446046 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nm then but thx for help :)
< 1220446228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of "shortest known 99 bottles of beeron the wall" but I don know the "shortest known 99 bottles of beer on the wall"
< 1220446237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9
< 1220446242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in HQ9+
< 1220446243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1220446700 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Beeron" could be some sort of artificial beer-like substitute.
< 1220446715 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's a fungot poem
< 1220446716 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: " code with courage". we're talking about music. referring to itself in the multiple processes it pretends to use in a limited enviroment exported by the module system
< 1220446718 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he recited it yesterday
< 1220446724 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and performances of it shall be regular
< 1220446726 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1220446730 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those first two sentences?
< 1220446732 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start of another poem
< 1220446741 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: read yesterday's logs, I deciphered the poem
< 1220446828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Beeron" hmmm
< 1220446835 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: but the music is how?
< 1220446836 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: to " print" statement should always print to whatever the program's running from??? or fnord?
< 1220446845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think fnord. So, next ilne?
< 1220446846 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: not just any kind of biochemistry... but let's not talk about the subject to begin with, it might be faster to use that and also native compilation or at least
< 1220446868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how are native compilation and biochemistry?
< 1220446868 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: inspiring. line 3?
< 1220446869 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: let's wreak havoc
< 1220446869 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: looking for ' store' microexps, and setting emacs to backup files in a directory that i mentioned is perfect, thanks
< 1220446883 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Wreak havoc? Alright.
< 1220446884 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: he cooked everything himself and was a pardon issued?
< 1220446885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they related*
< 1220446905 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Was it? I don't know.
< 1220446906 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you asked how to first do a naive translation, but i
< 1220446915 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot:  but you
< 1220446916 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, the mob provides an uzi shield :) there are many of almost equal parts. 0 is 9"
< 1220446921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uzi?
< 1220446932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gun
< 1220446934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one that sounds like a fnord to me
< 1220446935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1220446942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no expert on such stuff
< 1220446951 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor am I, but Worms has a weapon called uzi ;)
< 1220446956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you saying 0 == 9?
< 1220446957 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the original name was " furor".): the pain of writing your own cocoa bindings ( which is 0) and (
< 1220446960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: And your last words?
< 1220446961 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i've found it. thanks.)) the .x. .y. stuff is hard what's wrong with it? not really
< 1220446964 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, 0 is 9"
< 1220446966 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 inches
< 1220446974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is 9 inches?
< 1220446976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1220446983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so what's 1
< 1220446984 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: rather, above fnord) nonsense?! what the fuck you are doing? /leave scheme /join java? is there such a thing
< 1220446987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fungot you mean 0 == 9 inches
< 1220446988 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fnord vm is fnord can only be a few exceptions. so.....you like atlanta?
< 1220447005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord vm is fnord heh sounds like a meme
< 1220447007 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a beautiful poem
< 1220447014 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes
< 1220447017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is up to date on the memes
< 1220447018 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that small text would seriously look at plt-scheme servlets? without introducing a *different* lambda.) ack!
< 1220447084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, do you think PHP is an ugly language?
< 1220447087 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1220447097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh then we agree
< 1220447100 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/raw/1192465 First collection of the poemular work of fungot.
< 1220447101 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the latter would show the problem better, rather than interrupt-mask/ all...
< 1220447129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, anyway are any other languages uglier than PHP?
< 1220447134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1220447136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any
< 1220447138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many
< 1220447139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what ones?
< 1220447143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: cobol
< 1220447145 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortran
< 1220447152 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obfuscated perl
< 1220447161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, I don't know cobol and what I seen of fortran doesn't look that bad
< 1220447169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obfuscated C is ugly too
< 1220447171 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's certainly easier to read php code than fortran
< 1220447173 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I see obfuscated perl as art
< 1220447174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is part of the point
< 1220447177 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I actually see it as pretty
< 1220447180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes art
< 1220447182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree
< 1220447183 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's ugly in a code way
< 1220447189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly
< 1220447195 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php is less artistically pleasing than fortran, but is way uglier as far as code goes
< 1220447200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220447202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is way less ugly
< 1220447204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, my question was not about obfuscated code
< 1220447209 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1220447213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write obfuscated code in any language I bet
< 1220447217 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220447233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think PHP can be pretty at all
< 1220447234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never
< 1220447246 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively beerons could be the subatomic particles in beer.
< 1220447271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220447288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: PHP & Fortran: Fortran is more pleasing in a "ooh, I set my eye on it and it's lovely" way, PHP is more pleasing in a "OK, this code's purpose is clear & elegant"
< 1220447293 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, neither score very well on either
< 1220447308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some of it is due to using $ for variables in PHP
< 1220447317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shell code can get uggly too
< 1220447324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not as uggly as PHP normally
< 1220447325 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not really
< 1220447326 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often fortran.. uh, I mean, _wonder_ whether there's something fundamentally wrong with PHP, are if it's just that people who write it tend to be... well, you know.
< 1220447331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, then what is it?
< 1220447332 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleanly-written perl is very pretty
< 1220447350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's that the devs way back in php 3 didn't know shit about how to make a good language
< 1220447355 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they knew what perl looked like
< 1220447358 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they tried to imitate it
< 1220447361 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and failed, badly
< 1220447372 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course the semantics make you have to write ugly syntax to get around them
< 1220447377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :issue is I got a course in school which needs using PHP
< 1220447378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1220447387 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: write a something->php compiler
< 1220447388 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1220447395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hah
< 1220447408 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a something interpreter in PHP, with the program included.
< 1220447440 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once returned a trivial C course assignment as a C brainfuck interpreter, with a brainfuck program included. I think it was automagically graded by some sort of tool, so that was pretty useless.
< 1220447467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, haha
< 1220447479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did the tool think of it?
< 1220447484 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto graded? ugh
< 1220447486 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sound sawful
< 1220447486 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think the language in question was Scheme, not C, which makes it even less sensible. The tool didn't mind.
< 1220447502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, don't think they would accept that, the course is web design... and php is the language used, also well commented code is mentioned
< 1220447517 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: kill your shoe.
< 1220447522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell it: get the flu
< 1220447526 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open the loo
< 1220447526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1220447529 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there you can do.
< 1220447534 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the solution
< 1220447541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was the "introduction to programming" course which has a metric ton of students, and those were the weekly exercises. The actual "programming project" was graded by humans.
< 1220447542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can code PHP, I done it a bit a few years ago, but I don't like the language
< 1220447552 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: protip if you don't want to kill yourself
< 1220447561 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php.net/function-or-syntax-element-or-whatever gets you to the docs
< 1220447571 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and php is so illogical that you will need the docs every second function call
< 1220447572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm...
< 1220447579 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. php.net/explode
< 1220447582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php.net/if
< 1220447585 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get you to the right place
< 1220447600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1220447644 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: [[ Although implode() can, for historical reasons, accept its parameters in either order, explode() cannot. You must ensure that the delimiter  argument comes before the string  argument. ]]
< 1220447656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either order? huh
< 1220447660 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implode(" ", array(1,2,3)) and implode(array(1,2,3), " ") both work
< 1220447664 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is how crazy php is.
< 1220447687 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220447690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both will result in a string I guess? firefox just crashed so couldn't look at the page
< 1220447697 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220447698 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one could have a language where parameter order is irrelevant
< 1220447708 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: smalltalk
< 1220447709 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220447712 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Lingua::Romana::Perligata does it.
< 1220447714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, certainly, named parameters for example
< 1220447723 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: however, explode() only takes them in one order
< 1220447725 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's not what I was thinking of
< 1220447728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't let you do the other way
< 1220447732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm...
< 1220447735 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess that applies to smalltalk as well
< 1220447749 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well, smalltalk actually has order
< 1220447756 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo bar: x baz: y) is actually
< 1220447760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well you could make sure you could always tell by the type or making functions where it didn't matter
< 1220447762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however
< 1220447767 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call #bar:baz: on foo with (x,y)
< 1220447768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you do pow(x,y)
< 1220447771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in such a language
< 1220447774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yo ucan't do (foo baz: x bar: y)
< 1220447775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, Perligata uses the Latin declensions to indicate the role of any part of the line.
< 1220447779 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with obj-c
< 1220447835 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, admittedly Perligata cheats a bit for function arguments; you need to specify those in order. But the function name and thing-to-assign-the-result-to-if-any and such can be in any order.
< 1220447883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: return all possible results in a tuple
< 1220447886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you could do stuff like max(x,y) and stuff where the types are different, ie foo(int x, string a), but not stuff like a function pow(x, y) (returning x^y)
< 1220447892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hah
< 1220447895 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pow(x,y) returns (x^y, y^x)
< 1220447919 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220447943 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I guess one could define an order so that you always know which element of the tuple is which result
< 1220447973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you could have a language without functions then claim that "parameter order for functions in this language doesn't matter"
< 1220447982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course no one could prove it then ;)
< 1220447992 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can prove it
< 1220448015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would be a nonsense statement
< 1220448017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I meant
< 1220448020 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all (const False) [] is True ;-)
< 1220448041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh what language is that?
< 1220448047 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell
< 1220448057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah what does that code do then?
< 1220448084 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it calls all with (const False) and [].
< 1220448087 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220448093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it calls (call all with (const False)) with [].
< 1220448096 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all returns true if the given predicate returns true for all elements of the given list
< 1220448113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find haskell's syntax unusually cryptic for an outsider, most other languages you probably guess what some basic stuff does if you know other languages from the same paradigm
< 1220448127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's very different
< 1220448129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you can
< 1220448135 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you knew ML, haskell wouldn't be too hard
< 1220448137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miranda too
< 1220448141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even gofer
< 1220448152 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is an ML descendent
< 1220448172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220448202 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-41-67.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220448221 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know math haskell is trivial :-P
< 1220448229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too :p
< 1220448237 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220448238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i kind of suck at mathematical notation and such
< 1220448244 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i know haskell from MLy things
< 1220448535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I know math, but the notation... well same as tusho
< 1220448548 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not actually all that hot with mathematics ;p
< 1220448565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I do like math
< 1220448585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well the notation I know.... doesn't really match Haskell at all
< 1220448620 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does
< 1220448622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just don't know it yet
< 1220448634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Deewiant> all (const False) [] is True ;-) <-- Don't remember any smiley in my math text books
< 1220448646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact nothing like that syntax
< 1220448655 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um, that isn't code
< 1220448659 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is True ;-)" was in english
< 1220448664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220448665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all (const False) [] was the code
< 1220448672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that looks like an array?
< 1220448676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220448677 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a list
< 1220448686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. not sure what it does though
< 1220448691 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically the [] part of data [] a = a : [a] | []
< 1220448695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make all elements of a list false?
< 1220448695 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I explained it above
< 1220448708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Deewiant> all returns true if the given predicate returns true for all elements of the given list
< 1220448709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220448712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was cryptic!
< 1220448719 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220448720 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what part
< 1220448720 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't.
< 1220448727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it was
< 1220448734 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what part
< 1220448746 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: the part where you didn't talk in low-level details
< 1220448750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1220448755 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1220448772 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: quick, explain to him the asm that powers thunks
< 1220448783 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I'm unaware of it :-)
< 1220448797 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: evidently, thunks don't exist
< 1220448865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. it returns true if calling a given function on elements in the list returns true for each object?
< 1220448873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err s/object/element/
< 1220448873 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1220449366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well arch is really bleeding edge... GCC 4.3.2 released August 27... It is in stable Arch Linux (not testing) today
< 1220449907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit too much bleeding edge there IMO
< 1220449928 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, that was quite an adventure, copying 30 A4 sheets with the copier here. It was all "open right cover and remove jammed paper", "turn lever", "move unit 2", rotate this know, pull this lever, remove the non-existent jammed paper. Warning: hot surface, do not touch... but open it anyway.
< 1220449940 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/know/knob/
< 1220449956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220449986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-existent jammed paper, that's a new one to me
< 1220450000 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was pretty hot, I could feel the heat at a distance of ~10 cm. The part right next to it that I had to open was made out of some sort of special fuzzy non-heat-conductive material.
< 1220450045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One printer I have used had a habit of inventing paper jams that did not really exist; you just had to open and close all openable parts of the printer, then it would resume.
< 1220450239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway how does a copier detect paper jams?
< 1220450326 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm sure there are some sort of sensors in there.
< 1220450337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220450337 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1220450396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We've been rotating this drum a while now, but the sensor before it is saying there's a paper present, while the sensor after it says not, and the situation doesn't seem to be changing" => complain.
< 1220450413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm makes sense
< 1220450426 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is all just speculation, though; it could be that they've stuck little goblins in there to monitor the stuff.
< 1220450459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you detect it by checking how much current the motors driving the feeder mechanism used?
< 1220450492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not a good idea, it would differ between say, normal paper and photo paper
< 1220450531 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The paper path in that monster of a copier is probably several miles long. Well, not really, but it's still an imposing thing. At least printers are smaller than I am, I don't feel quite so threatened by them.
< 1220450544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I know my printer got some sort of optical sensor built in, because I see a blue light from inside at the start of every paper, but that goes away if I turn off "auto detect paper type"
< 1220450581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is also used to check the result during aligning carriages (spelling?) I think
< 1220450582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a gigabyte or so of memory in that beast, too.
< 1220450600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mine is a simple multifunction ink printer
< 1220450605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not laser or such
< 1220450709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a small laser printer at home, and I don't think it has ever had a paper jam, but even if it had, there's a single cover to open. That copier has a dozen of little green levers and knobs and whatnot, and the LCD screen in it just keeps running a two-frame animation about manipulating them all, which doesn't really help a whole lot, especially since I constantly have a feeling that if I make one false move, it'll eat my fingers. And collate and stapl
< 1220450714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this printer works very well, from HP. only complaint really is that it is hard to reach inside when changing ink carriages and unjamming paper... the upper part with scanner and such tilt back when you open, except it doesn't tilt a lot.
< 1220450722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that it is very good
< 1220450767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Auto-stapling copiers are scary anyway. If that thing goes on a rampage, it has a built-in weapon in it.
< 1220450780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh...
< 1220450788 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately it probably won't fit through the doors.
< 1220450802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how did they get it in then?
< 1220450812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it built in the room?
< 1220450813 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they built the building around it.
< 1220450830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is it on street level then?
< 1220450846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, third floor. They must've suspended it in the air with wires or something.
< 1220450849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1220450877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it act as printer as well?
< 1220450901 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. And as a scanner, too; you just use the touchscreen to enter your email address, and it'll send the scans as .tiffs or .pdfs to you.
< 1220450915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing some that showed up as a network postscript printer, think it was at one of my parents work place...
< 1220451016 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether we have a printer queue for that copier, since there's a rather big HP LaserJet 8150 printer right next to it. But in a previous workplace all "over 100 pages or so" print jobs were recommended to be sent to the copier for printing.
< 1220451034 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The printer setup dialog had a nifty thing where you could specify which corner of the paper to staple.
< 1220451172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 pages... that's a lot
< 1220451272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how many "heaps" of paper can it staple at once?
< 1220451293 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heaps? O(log n) to find the smalles piece of paper?
< 1220451297 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+t
< 1220451315 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1220451348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, as in if you specify 5 copies of a bunch of papers, then it feeds each to a different tray and can staple those bunches with one button press or whatever
< 1220451432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue, really. There's also some sort of upper page count for things to be stapled together, but I don't remember that either.
< 1220451466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway lets hope the door is thick in case of.... problems...
< 1220451477 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@dsl-39-168-rb5.ka.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220451482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1220451942 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a glass door... maybe not even velociraptor-proof.
< 1220451966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1220451994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is a work safety issue
< 1220452023 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll have to leave (to go buy a fridge/freezer) in ~15 minutes anyway, so the copier won't get me today, at least.
< 1220452089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya
< 1220452117 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i chipped my tooth recently
< 1220452130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some glass covering something but I didn't see it so I just smacked right into it
< 1220452131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. Didn't remember to look at the OS X cfunge linker thing, but since I'm theoretically speaking supposed to be working here, maybe it's for the best; will consider it at home later.
< 1220452132 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220452141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway why not unplug the copier while fixing the issue+
< 1220452142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1220452158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would never try to replace a fan or whatever in a plugged in computer
< 1220452162 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't dare, it could interpret it as an act of aggression.
< 1220452172 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, I wouldn't see the "helpful" instructions if it were unplugged.
< 1220452242 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have plugged in ram on a turned-on computer before, I think
< 1220452250 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to restart, ofc
< 1220452255 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it recognize it :P
< 1220452301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have hot-swapped several cards that weren't really meant to be hot-swapped, although it's obviously just stupid. I think some ISA card actually even worked without a restart.
< 1220452333 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "let's remove the PCI display card and plug it back in to reset this otherwise unfixable display issue" attempt wasn't as successful.
< 1220452353 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pretty much think that dying because of hotswapping a computer component and bursting into flame would be pretty awesome
< 1220452363 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not like i'll go out of my way to make sure i hotswap stuff safely
< 1220452423 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's significantly more likely to just kill your hardware, not you, which would kind of suck.
< 1220452435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I want you dead or anything. No-no.
< 1220452705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe :D
< 1220452768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually I once started a computer with open case, only as far as bios though, needed to find out which of the fans didn't work
< 1220452818 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a computer with no case running as a router on my floor for a year or so. :p
< 1220452831 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been paranoid about death for a while now, not really out of any fear, but in that ... what will you guys think?
< 1220452833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw, don't try to hotplug PS/2 keyboards
< 1220452836 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, i'd just not ever come back online.
< 1220452845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd just think I'd "dropped off the face of the internet" as is said.
< 1220452847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :caused a reboot when I tried
< 1220452859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I dropped a coca-cola glass on top of it's hard drive, which broke both of 'em; that's when I resolved to get a case for that box.
< 1220452863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in computer had just pressed reset button
< 1220452905 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1220452918 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fridge-hunting now. ->
< 1220452966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho,  think -> means "heading out" or "going afk" or similiar
< 1220452968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I*
< 1220452972 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know
< 1220452975 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why do all finns use it
< 1220452975 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220452982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question
< 1220452985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't answer it
< 1220453056 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1220453063 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google ought to have a search query that returns totally random results
< 1220453066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for image search
< 1220453072 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be fun
< 1220453079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you could make a game out of the image search
< 1220453085 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a website that presents two totally random google images
< 1220453089 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pick which one you like best
< 1220453093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are high-scores, etc
< 1220453097 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be amusing
< 1220454369 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220454716 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat"
< 1220456734 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=esobot&word2=egobot   :( :(
< 1220458363 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@k-81.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220458560 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was very efficient.
< 1220459107 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220459118 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220459195 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220459273 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220460140 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a
< 1220460529 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A what?
< 1220460616 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a a.
< 1220460652 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A++++ would buy again.
< 1220460695 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a a+++++ a a a a.
< 1220460955 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has someone been doing some s/\w+/a/g stuff here again?
< 1220460970 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a?
< 1220460979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A.
< 1220460983 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: A?
< 1220460984 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not quite sure why you would use car that many times. basically everyone seems to think that i shall never hear a poem frightful as a bear, that keeps pooping primes.
< 1220461045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a pretty frightful bear indeed.
< 1220461279 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: A new poem, I see. Care to compose it with optbot after this?
< 1220461280 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ( not straight.). i hope they're not watching.
< 1220461281 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: It's also UNIX-only.  Maybe even GNU/Linux-only. :P
< 1220461303 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo optbot
< 1220461304 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot optbot
< 1220461304 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: btw: 2^3*5^2*11*17*19*31*53*61*101*109*151*181*271*541*811*3001*4051*5779*12301*18451*42391*43201*109441*119611*140401*221401*394201*5020651*15608701*230686501*3467131047901*6641555895901*1114769954367361*1361918785737982855951*11981661982050957053616001*10237949952357183751384463924412751*656996318953349439721732908912325829378630572990405083901
< 1220461304 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: for instance I think you need ^ to swap elements 1 and 3 of the stack
< 1220461305 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: considering only processors still useful today, though not any less flexible... it predates my compiler rewrite. the author must be taking the tfy-0.201 course this autumn.
< 1220461306 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i'm still improving my assembler
< 1220461307 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: one of them :p, 2) it's ( syntactically) long, and brainfuck command keys
< 1220461307 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot:                           instruction if it is the iterated one
< 1220461308 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: at least if you find some ones in string searching, by any chance?)
< 1220461309 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: 1.8ghz.
< 1220461309 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: heh. i tried saving into one of them is about to execute instruction at ( 1,2), ( 1 2 3 4 5 6
< 1220461310 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: kipple: no
< 1220461337 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1220461338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some poem
< 1220461343 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: any last words or does it stand for itself?
< 1220461344 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: counting to ten modulo two before punching him? does it involve? doing it the way you would calibrate a normal thermometer. bf
< 1220461357 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah a new poem's start
< 1220461367 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: moar?
< 1220461367 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: sweet. thanks soegaard. i halfway there :) fnord bytes now, i could use a move instruction on the bf program on the phone, and it
< 1220461382 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Verbose lines these days
< 1220461383 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: but is there a reason to be in normalized syntax is not the
< 1220461413 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I love your rearrangement of the deconstruction of the syntactical elements - it borders on the legible while still meta-commenting on the meaningless of the elements' structure.
< 1220461414 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: in my head requires conditionals. don't complicate the simple primitive if. cond
< 1220461427 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I know - great minds do not know what they achieve...
< 1220461435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely certain the line-ending algorithm of fungot works; the stuff sounds pretty truncated.
< 1220461436 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: more simply put: siod sucks as a general purpose language.
< 1220461451 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there is a line in the logs that ends "is not the".
< 1220461454 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: The truncation is what powers the self, is it not?
< 1220461455 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: lower species can be that the implementation was just broken. for other stuff, it calls the recursion again and tries to prove what we were about to divide that or so.
< 1220461469 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Your final ll;ine?
< 1220461470 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: open any scheme source file with an alternative reader for ( a b c d" perl fnord ' print " n".join(s)' line
< 1220461494 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2006-12-05 14:12:48] < egal> 13:11 < ELECTR00> losing energy like an idiot is not THE
< 1220461497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently so.
< 1220461509 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The incorporation of the comparison with programming languages' syntaxes and their relative uniformity as a satire on natural languages is inspired.
< 1220461529 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/bSDi5y65.html poemular work of fungot issue 2
< 1220461529 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: my favorite part is " equal")' prints nothing) it doesn't compile. having the language be useable to some extent. it just happens
< 1220461533 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just keep getting longer lines
< 1220461554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latest one is more dense & obscure than the first by a lot.
< 1220461567 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a new era in fungot's poemular work is needed? Will it return to minimalism?
< 1220461568 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the only thing that can't completely be optimized is stuff where a part of scsh is already nearly completely documented, and only if there is any
< 1220461576 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not.
< 1220461657 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can return it to minimalism by decreasing the number used to divide the amount of words already generated when deciding whether to stop or not. But maybe that would be too cruel.
< 1220461696 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently every six generated words increases the stopping probability by .05 or something like that.
< 1220461900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do it, he must be tweaked!
< 1220462031 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^reload
< 1220462032 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded.
< 1220462039 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you feel like being less verbose now?
< 1220462039 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a pro at that :))
< 1220462123 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's .0625, not .5, in the Befunge version. It was easier to throw a d16 with ? than a d20.
< 1220462162 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it's now so that each generated token gives that +.0625.)
< 1220463575 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Poemular next lin?
< 1220463575 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yeah, we like such people much more then fnord the syntax if you want
< 1220463590 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Your new poem sounds like a rap.
< 1220463591 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: taupan i tought that scheme worked with pointers/ references
< 1220463602 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: *scratches record*
< 1220463602 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: later tell bunny_314 we ( velco, forcer and r2q2?
< 1220463608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1220463609 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: one of my formally fnord questions consists of ordering 25 functions by their asymptotic behaviour. :(
< 1220463619 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Last line?
< 1220463625 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: fungot
< 1220463626 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: dind't crash.
< 1220463630 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.
< 1220463635 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: say fungot
< 1220463687 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: plz
< 1220463764 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1220463764 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: an hour each time he comes close to something hot.
< 1220464610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know if php handles tail recursion well?
< 1220464614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess answer is no
< 1220464623 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very doubtful
< 1220464630 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most imperative language implementations don't
< 1220464640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I seen some that does
< 1220464648 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, as have I
< 1220464657 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "most", not "all"
< 1220464734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now to implement Sieve of Eratosthenes in php (eww) and yes it is for a course in school
< 1220464744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I wouldn't touch php at all
< 1220464756 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP course?
< 1220464769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Webdesign + PHP basics
< 1220464783 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sieve of eratosthenes?
< 1220464791 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that web design? :-P
< 1220464797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no part of the php bit
< 1220464840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assignment was "Print all prime numbers in the range 2-100", well iirc sieve of eratosthenes should fit well for that
< 1220464859 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster:
< 1220464862 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print [2,3,5,7...
< 1220464865 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you take that ourse
< 1220464875 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Deewiant++
< 1220464895 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since the range is that tiny
< 1220464907 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to make a primality checker
< 1220464914 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just loop 2-100
< 1220464918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well in Sweden you have to take a set number of hours in total, and that was the least bad course left to select for the last 50 hours
< 1220464919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220464934 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++wikipedia: http://www.think-lamp.com/2008/08/sieve-of-eratosthenes-in-php/
< 1220464940 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: web design & php course sounds pretty fucking bad to me :)
< 1220464949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well sure
< 1220464959 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i love web design and all that but all the courses i've seen have sucked
< 1220464964 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as 99% of the tutorials
< 1220464968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shame
< 1220465010 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'regardless of what wikipedia might say :('
< 1220465020 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll trust wp over your lame blog for algorithmic complexity shizz.
< 1220465065 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee, implementation of NULL is now just `mixin (Fingerprint!("NULL"));'
< 1220465074 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: cute
< 1220465080 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now make it (fingerprint "NULL")
< 1220465091 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or fingerprints NULL = []
< 1220465109 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, this is D, I can't improve the syntax
< 1220465121 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, this is D 1.0
< 1220465129 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a later version of 2.0, or 3.0, I should be able to
< 1220465135 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: so don't use d ;)
< 1220465146 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my second example was meant to be haskell
< 1220465154 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't, though
< 1220465157 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1220465166 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hmm
< 1220465170 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220465170 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1220465172 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, yes, it could be
< 1220465175 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Fingerprint = NULL | ...
< 1220465177 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1220465181 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misthought
< 1220465181 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fingerprints :: Fingerprint -> [(dunno)]
< 1220465192 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, that pattern matching would suck
< 1220465194 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need a map
< 1220465194 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyhoo
< 1220465197 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it gets less elegant
< 1220465203 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already have a haskell impl
< 1220465209 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so might as well stick with D :-P
< 1220465256 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmm
< 1220465263 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what nice fast language is it unimplemented in...
< 1220465274 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocaml
< 1220465288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i said nice
< 1220465295 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Nice
< 1220465298 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-P
< 1220465303 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :D
< 1220465306 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nice_(programming_language)
< 1220465306 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHARITY
< 1220465309 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i know
< 1220465338 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, what else is nice
< 1220465344 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after Haskell nothing seems nice any more :-P
< 1220465356 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clean, maybe
< 1220465370 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i said Charity
< 1220465370 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220465399 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it nice?
< 1220465450 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impractical
< 1220465451 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220465454 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subturing
< 1220465475 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1220465503 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ultratechnology.com/scope.htm
< 1220467115 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220467137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1220467158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'evening
< 1220467311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220467311 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I improved my trombute :P
< 1220467369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to do the same with the troitar and the flugan
< 1220467559 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: care for the poemular work of fungot, issue 3?
< 1220467559 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: fnord or something
< 1220467583 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot:  i'm using that as a title for this collection
< 1220467583 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: lets make a spec first anyway... start a game!
< 1220467610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that part about ordering functions by asymptotic behavior sounded painful
< 1220467611 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: rammstein is far more familiar with inner product spaces than i am
< 1220467630 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1220467641 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was eerily topical
< 1220467652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, nearly
< 1220467667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1192758
< 1220467687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you know about hedge funds?
< 1220467688 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it'll be there the next time you mispaste, please use your wonderful powers to get ipv6 to actually happen.
< 1220467777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoiding the question and trying to shuffle work onto me.  that is an evil, evil bot
< 1220467865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: surely you cannot be serious
< 1220467865 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no worries either way, very ingenious.
< 1220467884 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think optbot needs some more love
< 1220467885 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's amusing
< 1220467889 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactky
< 1220467891 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exactly
< 1220467910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs optbot
< 1220467911 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i never really believed in that
< 1220467920 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1220467943 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone got a good tutorial about the PE Format ?
< 1220467951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, Deewiant: there?
< 1220467959 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1220467968 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a tutorial about the PE Format in Win 3.1 ...
< 1220467969 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220467981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would one go about printing the 100 first primes? Sieve of Eratosthenes is "primes in a range" not the same
< 1220467985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, just wondering
< 1220467996 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1220468004 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: start at i=0.
< 1220468010 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 0..infinity
< 1220468012 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and go to i=100.
< 1220468014 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is a prime
< 1220468018 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then increment i
< 1220468020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and then keep going until I found 100 primes hm...
< 1220468021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1220468022 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop if i is 100
< 1220468030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh, that I didn't think of that
< 1220468038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expert programmer. :|
< 1220468052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be more efficient to use the sieve with an overestimated range
< 1220468062 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but also overengineering.
< 1220468067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, um?
< 1220468073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just for a class assignment
< 1220468079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is most likely how they're expecting it to be done
< 1220468081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this part was not
< 1220468084 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's not, it's a better solution
< 1220468087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was just wondering
< 1220468087 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220468101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the class assignment was "find all primes in the range 2-100"
< 1220468106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cost-benefit ratio would lead to this solution
< 1220468109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which I used the sieve
< 1220468110 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then do the same thing :P
< 1220468121 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i in 2..100, if prime(i) print i
< 1220468123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while I just happened to wonder "what about the first 100 primes"
< 1220468123 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple as it gets
< 1220468128 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the best way to do it
< 1220468130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for such a tiny range
< 1220468140 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: computers can check less than 100 primes very fast, you know
< 1220468145 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sieve is a waste
< 1220468147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yep
< 1220468163 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'd give more marks for the simple for-loop than the sieve
< 1220468170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, oh?
< 1220468171 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shows a better way of thinking about the problem
< 1220468184 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it's simpler to write a for loop and a trivial prime checker
< 1220468187 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for such tiny ranges
< 1220468193 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus a better use of time than an all-out sieve
< 1220468194 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I said
< 1220468196 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is overblown for the tiny range
< 1220468201 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, I would mark the for-loop higher.
< 1220468212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, function takes upper limit as parameter ;P
< 1220468214 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know
< 1220468223 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're missing the point, as usual
< 1220468229 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takeWhile (<=100) primes is pretty
< 1220468241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that is haskell again?
< 1220468246 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220468253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so what does that one mean
< 1220468253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I want to know how primes are relevant to webdesign.
< 1220468260 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: primes is an infinite list of every prime
< 1220468263 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think it means
< 1220468267 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: shush
< 1220468270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, as I mention above, it was the introduction to php bit of the course
< 1220468271 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takeWhile gives all the elements of a list
< 1220468274 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to when the predicate fails.
< 1220468278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is webdesign mostly
< 1220468281 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, tusho
< 1220468291 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: there are better ways to irritate AnMaster
< 1220468293 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the kind of thing that should be figured out and not explained
< 1220468299 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not looking to irritate
< 1220468307 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a jerk-ass troll like you :-P
< 1220468310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however first section is introduction to php, for example first one was "convert Fahrenheit to Celsius"
< 1220468320 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the day AnMaster understands haskell, i'll make a video of me dancing to never gonna give you up
< 1220468322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that has the advantage that the other question is just take 100 primes
< 1220468323 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'll post it on youtube
< 1220468343 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: of course that's a non-statement unless you define "understands haskell"
< 1220468351 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand most of Oleg's stuff
< 1220468351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ?
< 1220468363 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: understands it as much as me, let's say
< 1220468365 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or many of the GHC typesystem extensions
< 1220468367 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i'm not very good at haskell)
< 1220468367 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220468374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: take n list gives the first n elements of a list
< 1220468375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I do understand erlang which is also functional, so maybe I'll try haskell later, won't have time to learn it for some time though
< 1220468382 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: please don't
< 1220468384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes
< 1220468388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ?
< 1220468391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, why not?
< 1220468394 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: please do, let's make him post that video
< 1220468406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably next summer
< 1220468406 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, do it only when i'm offline
< 1220468409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the xmas
< 1220468410 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1220468421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, maybe at some other random point though
< 1220468433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the next few months at least
< 1220468515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Could I publish these fungot poems in a book
< 1220468516 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: now let's up them, right? :) ( but why ledit scheme if you squint
< 1220468523 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an interactive cd
< 1220468589 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: The Mark ov Poetry?
< 1220468590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, btw google chrome fail at 64-bit currently, a lot would need to be reworked apart from the java script code generation, for example: the GC used
< 1220468596 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hah
< 1220468600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked around a bit
< 1220468603 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what-everrrrrrrrrr
< 1220468612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm?
< 1220468623 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that was my demonstration of my lack of caring :D
< 1220468654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you used up your quota of "r"
< 1220468661 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh dea.
< 1220468664 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220468671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more r's means more caring, clearly.
< 1220468687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard about the rabbit and the rabbi?
< 1220468698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm except it could be just keyboard repetition
< 1220468717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that an answer to mine?
< 1220468727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sorry, we are leaving out r's not t's at the moment
< 1220468756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just kille
< 1220468769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you could tell abbit of the joke
< 1220468786 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hideou.se/counter/ is dead
< 1220468787 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1220468798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what was it?
< 1220468804 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it's alive
< 1220468806 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not being used
< 1220468808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, why is that?
< 1220468812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Top clickers
< 1220468812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nobody is clicking.
< 1220468812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   1. Loading...
< 1220468812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1220468814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then nothing
< 1220468818 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh.
< 1220468821 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shouldn't happen
< 1220468824 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the site works fine
< 1220468824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh javascript
< 1220468825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220468826 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have just stopped clicking
< 1220468829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1220468831 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: duh :P
< 1220468837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is clicking it seems
< 1220468839 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't be able to click very fast if it didn't use JS
< 1220468845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, seems i just spurred him on
< 1220468845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220468861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I can't see myself I noticed
< 1220468862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just clicked because that was linked
< 1220468864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1220468868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how many clicks I have
< 1220468873 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 'cause you've dropped off the highscores
< 1220468877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: er, what about that rabbi and that lagomorph
< 1220468877 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're about 1000 behind
< 1220468882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well how many do I have? exactly
< 1220468887 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 8000 or so
< 1220468891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you should always show yourself
< 1220468897 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you've said.
< 1220468898 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIVE TIMES
< 1220468902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220468903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've said it once
< 1220468905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time I said it
< 1220468911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ais said it 5 times
< 1220468915 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say v4, but since people aren't using it v4 seems unlikely.
< 1220468934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people aren't using it because they can't see themselves, methinks
< 1220468976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so where am I now?
< 1220468984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: except the higher-ups aren't clicking
< 1220468989 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i had this idea, dunno if it's any good, you could drop everyones score to half of what it was at the end of every week, and @ every drop, you get a separate point if you're @ the top 5
< 1220468993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i am not logging in and checking. you are 8000-something
< 1220468997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 9002, you will be on the highscores
< 1220469008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I still want to know
< 1220469014 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i am not logging in and checking.
< 1220469020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: true, coolness would definitely compete if #2 started clicking again
< 1220469020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I want to stop at 9000
< 1220469026 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have fun
< 1220469029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, then make the webui show it (second time)
< 1220469032 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not logging in and checking.
< 1220469038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or logging in and working on it.
< 1220469041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, then make the webui show it (third time)
< 1220469044 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or logging in and working on it.
< 1220469049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accept that I will bug you?
< 1220469055 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accept that i will /ignore you
< 1220469058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, damn I went too far :(
< 1220469069 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not /ignored you yet.
< 1220469072 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you do bug me i will.
< 1220469094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you just need to learn to count carefully :D
< 1220469130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you get to 15,000 I will set your score to 9000
< 1220469139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no thanks
< 1220469145 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your los
< 1220469146 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1220469146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if I got that far I wouldn't care
< 1220469167 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ok, if you get to 15,000 i'll make your name fade in rainbow colours.
< 1220469186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ON THE MOON
< 1220469200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll add a picture of the death star next to him too.
< 1220469205 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, any 16x16 picture he gives.
< 1220469388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'av a 'tar...
< 1220469487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well maybe I'll reach that some day
< 1220469490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not today anyway
< 1220469494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got other stuff to do
< 1220469618 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1220469686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g?
< 1220469692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1220469699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fine letter indeed
< 1220469710 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invented by the ancient romans
< 1220469738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, did they invent lower case too?
< 1220469758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not strictly speaking
< 1220469759 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what is your favourite typeface
< 1220469779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :times roman, 1000 point
< 1220469803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i asked about typeface, not size. though i can't imagine times roman@1000pt is very readable
< 1220469809 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got to compete with old Trajan there
< 1220469822 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, good old Trajan
< 1220469824 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the movie font
< 1220469824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is from a distance
< 1220469840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the monument
< 1220469878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tajan?
< 1220469881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trajan*
< 1220469882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??
< 1220469886 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: GOOGLE
< 1220469894 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite typeface is arial, or perhaps verdana!
< 1220469912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there is a trajan font
< 1220469913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marcus Ulpius Nerva Traianus, commonly known as Trajan (September 18, 53 – August 9, 117), was a Roman Emperor who reigned from 98 until his death in 117. Born Marcus Ulpius Traianus into a nonpatrician family...
< 1220469915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1220469922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and see the top line
< 1220469928 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you might want to add 'font' to the google string
< 1220469932 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that that was the topic and all
< 1220469968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sad that nobody mauled me for saying my favourite font was arial or verdana
< 1220469978 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it too subtle? Should I have said Comic Sans MS?
< 1220469982 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll only maul you if... yeah, that.
< 1220470033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: except i did not mean the font, at first
< 1220470052 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1220470061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what-everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
< 1220470069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1220470075 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm glad you care so much thanks :)
< 1220470078 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember? More r = more care.
< 1220470088 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said it yourself.
< 1220470090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the Bitstream Vera family of fonts
< 1220470097 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mauls AnMaster 
< 1220470098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i changed my mind, remember?
< 1220470099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for printed I like Computer Modern
< 1220470100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220470101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rucks
< 1220470104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rocks*
< 1220470113 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster never ever do anything that involves anything like typography ever
< 1220470115 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :D
< 1220470122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it was a joke duh
< 1220470129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though CM isn't that bad
< 1220470135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indeed not for printed
< 1220470135 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'I prefer the Bitstream Vera family of fonts'
< 1220470136 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a joke
< 1220470139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything
< 1220470142 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's what i mauled you for.
< 1220470146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I do use it on IRC and such
< 1220470156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitstream Vera Sans Mono
< 1220470159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be specific
< 1220470163 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, i use monaco 10pt on irc, doesn't mean i consider monaco @ 10pt typographically nice ;)
< 1220470166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it is dejavu
< 1220470170 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220470170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, indeed
< 1220470173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wasn't what I said
< 1220470181 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from a typeface point of view bitstream vera fonts are pretty crap
< 1220470185 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just so bland
< 1220470191 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the proportions are really weird, to me
< 1220470193 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not necessarily bad
< 1220470202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yea, but it's not bland in a good way
< 1220470206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what do you think of CM?
< 1220470209 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bland in an "oh, bitstream vera. beh"
< 1220470222 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it has a charm, but i'm not a fan
< 1220470224 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a matter of opinion
< 1220470309 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quite like Univers
< 1220470312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is a good serif?
< 1220470313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free
< 1220470314 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not as something to put a book in
< 1220470319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for use with printed stuff
< 1220470327 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there are, like, 3 freely-licensed fonts out there.
< 1220470334 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them are much good
< 1220470515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, CM, LM, AE, (all variants of CM really, so not fair), Bistream Vera, Courier, Courier New, Utopia and iirc a few more
< 1220470523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how free they are
< 1220470528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: okay, so like 10
< 1220470529 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220470530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check licenses for packages
< 1220470553 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, most typefaces predate the very recent idea of "free culture"
< 1220470593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes...
< 1220470720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Utopia isn't open, it is free as in beer only it seems
< 1220470740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :provided you include "Copyright (c) 1989 Adobe Systems Incorporated"
< 1220470742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220470743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: funny - if you drop the capital from the U there it seems to remain just as true.
< 1220470761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, topia?
< 1220470766 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'the capital from the U'
< 1220470769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it becomes 'u'
< 1220470780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1220470783 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well utopia isn't open, it is free as in beer only it seems"
< 1220470793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well utopia doesn't exist :P
< 1220470930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utopia, by definition, does not exist
< 1220470943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a word though
< 1220470950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1220470951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes*
< 1220470979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utopia/heaven is a paradox anyway
< 1220470988 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"everything is perfect" sounds awful to me
< 1220471002 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is great because of all the bad stuff, all the little less-than-perfect thiings, combined with the perfect things
< 1220471008 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything perfect is just draining and monotonous
< 1220471029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to beat up tusho now to make him happier
< 1220471042 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er, not quite :D
< 1220471068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that btw was almost no joke at all
< 1220471073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is awesome
< 1220471085 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you disagree with me then? :P
< 1220471087 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: totally!
< 1220471091 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1220471108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> oerjan: er, not quite :D <-- so you aren't into that then?
< 1220471108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1220471113 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wanna advance some arguments? :P
< 1220471145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if boredom is possible, then it is not really perfect
< 1220471163 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, but boredom isn't perfect
< 1220471168 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore if it is perfect it cannot have boredom
< 1220471179 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergo nothing is perfect and utopia/heaven cannot exist
< 1220471181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 5 years since i last was bored
< 1220471190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really remember what it feels like
< 1220471196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O
< 1220471198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just as fun as the rest though
< 1220471275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you need to write a self-help book for others to learn that :D
< 1220471276 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i am going to grep "oklopol" "i'm" "bored"
< 1220471283 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "oklopol" "i" "am" "bored"
< 1220471286 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in optbot's logs
< 1220471287 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Among other things, Linux 0.1 has a hard-coded keyboard map. . .
< 1220471288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we'll see.
< 1220471331 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do that
< 1220471419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: done?
< 1220471426 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost
< 1220471464 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho@rutian:~/optbot$ egrep -i "<oklopol>.*i'm.*bored" *
< 1220471464 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07.11.04:12:54:10 <oklopol> i'm not bored
< 1220471465 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho@rutian:~/optbot$
< 1220471465 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220471465 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: how about run-time lazy type checking? :P
< 1220471465 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: not that
< 1220471490 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing for i am bored
< 1220471500 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you win
< 1220471557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a surprise :P
< 1220471560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what about me?
< 1220471584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, anyway you forgot oklofok
< 1220471586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few more
< 1220471590 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you're at it, why not find an occasion of me complaining about the rain
< 1220471600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps that i hate esoteric languages
< 1220471620 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oklokok has never been bored either, now for oklofok
< 1220471638 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1220471643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and me?
< 1220471646 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: none
< 1220471650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1220471650 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not searching /mes
< 1220471653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause i can't be arsed
< 1220471655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: try never+bored
< 1220471663 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no lazy
< 1220471696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what about yourself?
< 1220471719 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1220471719 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no results
< 1220471724 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not right
< 1220471739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm usually not bored either
< 1220471746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to rather have too much to do
< 1220471828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there can be only one explanation
< 1220471834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is satan
< 1220471842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, eh?
< 1220471844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: try "was bored"
< 1220471859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in satans
< 1220471881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you want us to think
< 1220471985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can be bored by doing stuff sure, but never because I got nothing to do
< 1220472011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what does that mean?
< 1220472012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I obviously have nothing against a fungot book, but I have no clue whatsoever whether the stuff fungot spews out is some sort of a derived work.
< 1220472012 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i understand what u were asking
< 1220472024 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fair use probably
< 1220472042 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'll just make a book with all sorts of non-directed writing
< 1220472048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stolen fair and square
< 1220472060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :markov bots, where you write without trying to write anything in particualr ( i forget the term)
< 1220472062 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1220472111 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1220472115 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1220472227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1220472243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's vaincre?
< 1220472260 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1220472275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying not to wonder about that
< 1220472301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaincre - To conquer
< 1220472355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220472365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is peril... err... peril?
< 1220472375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think so
< 1220472383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i wouldn't
< 1220472393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or danger
< 1220472480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anything new with befunge the last few days?
< 1220472482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/p%C3%A9ril
< 1220472485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't had time to keep up
< 1220472489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has the quote
< 1220472747 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not really afaik
< 1220472788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeeeeeeeeeee
< 1220472808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get stung?
< 1220472867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i sure and totally did
< 1220472871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was effin awesome
< 1220472880 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you not feel pain
< 1220472888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall be leaving now, need to read my book
< 1220472891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do feel pain
< 1220472896 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really feel cold though
< 1220473089 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robots do not feel pain!
< 1220473115 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so wait
< 1220473119 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the pain, like, hurt?
< 1220473128 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't seem to have the averse reaction that most humans do to it.
< 1220473157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really hurt when bees sting
< 1220473171 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pain isn't usually that bad
< 1220473200 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's in the eye or the ...belly button, seems i only know the kid term :P
< 1220473220 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Navel.
< 1220473247 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, "navel-gazing", an idiom I don't think we have in Finnish. Or do we?
< 1220473274 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. omphaloskepsis, navel-gazing -- (literally, the contemplation of one's navel, which is an idiom usually meaning complacent self-absorption)
< 1220473295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "navankatselu" or something.
< 1220473341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, navlebeskuelse is in norwegian
< 1220473388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well people talk about caring only about ones own navel
< 1220473398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure there's an actual idiom
< 1220473429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MOT dictionary translates navel-gazing as "omaan napaan tuijottaminen", lit. "staring at one's own navel", but I don't think it's exactly the same thing.
< 1220473448 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a distinct sense of selfishness there.
< 1220473466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know navel-gazing
< 1220473480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assumed it's selffishness
< 1220473485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*selfishness
< 1220473517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a social fish so selfish
< 1220473523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shellfish.
< 1220473528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can that be
< 1220473531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220473542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not really pronounced the same
< 1220473550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you can fit it in, it would make that better
< 1220473568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that social fish and so selfish are pronounced the same either
< 1220473584 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be if you have "s"-pronunciation trouble, I think.
< 1220473596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the olde shibboleth
< 1220473597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like,lisp
< 1220473600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, lisp
< 1220473611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp can do that!
< 1220473627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm actually lisp is that other thing i think
< 1220473633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :godfuck, i really need to read :)
< 1220473634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1220473704 0 :psygnisfive!i=82f5c439@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-22667fb48b66e7a2 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220473713 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho
< 1220473717 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220473728 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you look like david deutsch.
< 1220473733 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1220473739 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only younger.
< 1220473743 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more esoteric.
< 1220473748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> oh no <-- hey! for once that wasn't directed at me! :D
< 1220473750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs
< 1220473767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LITHP is said to be useful in protheththing lithtth. Says the fortune.
< 1220473789 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how you didn't lisp all the s's
< 1220473802 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the part I was directly quoting.
< 1220473816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know you just missed oklopol, right?
< 1220473852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all miss him.  it was such a tragedy.
< 1220473866 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A senseless waste of human life.
< 1220473876 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the body's still warm
< 1220473884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine, to be drowned in koskenkorva.  well it was appropriately finnish at least.
< 1220473959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :koskenkorva?
< 1220473993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedes should use absolut instead
< 1220474009 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transvestites love jar jar binks.
< 1220474032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jar-jar, you're a genius
< 1220474117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm a "nykterist"
< 1220474123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if you got a word for that over there
< 1220474145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor sure of English word
< 1220474159 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teetotaller
< 1220474161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what does that mean?
< 1220474162 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teet- ah.
< 1220474314 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means teet?
< 1220474315 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220474324 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Finnish the corresponding word is "absolutisti", and there are lots of bad puns related to that and the "Absolut" brand vodka.
< 1220474340 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Absolut-isti
< 1220474342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha i maed pun
< 1220474357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, tusho, it means I don't drink alcohol
< 1220474365 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am aware.
< 1220474372 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, you treat me like a preschooler
< 1220474380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you asked me
< 1220474381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian: avholdsmann/-kvinne
< 1220474383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220474388 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, but oerjan already said it
< 1220474389 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i said 'ah'.
< 1220474392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sounds like it fit
< 1220474403 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also just because someone makes a joke -see psygnisfive- doesn't mean they don't understand
< 1220474449 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whats new in the world of esolangs guys
< 1220474459 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing
< 1220474472 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1220474477 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@k-81.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220474488 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿./$%./..$%$$$/././.$$./././.%%%$$$%$%$%/./.$%/.$%$%$%$$$$$$$$?
< 1220474493 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could totally be an esolang.
< 1220474504 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not already?
< 1220474510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably another bf clone
< 1220474515 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1220474520 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most esolangs are bf clones :(
< 1220474528 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyphered BF clones.
< 1220474529 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1220474537 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, malbolge is totally a bf clone.
< 1220474554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically all are, if you just make the cypher complicated enough :D
< 1220474564 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corun: do you understand the meaning of "most"?
< 1220474567 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im guessing not.
< 1220474583 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, most
< 1220474586 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand that I was clearly not being serious
< 1220474587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eplemost, that is
< 1220474592 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing not :-)
< 1220474611 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you weren't being sarcastic?
< 1220474612 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun: psygnisfive only understands the 'joke with punchline' kind of humour
< 1220474616 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1220474622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He's american)
< 1220474639 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite the contrary tusho
< 1220474644 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1220474645 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i interpreted what he said as being sarcastic
< 1220474647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre not amercian?
< 1220474649 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence why i responded why i did
< 1220474671 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was being sarcastic, but I was also not being serious.
< 1220474676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun: exactly
< 1220474688 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was joking with sarcasm
< 1220474691 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see the point of it. was it supposed to be funny?
< 1220474694 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as tusho implies?
< 1220474695 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it was funny
< 1220474699 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i chuckled
< 1220474706 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but ask yourself why
< 1220474737 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you chuckled because you thought it was a humorous retort against what i said, then it fails, because its not a retort at all.
< 1220474742 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220474743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't
< 1220474746 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1220474751 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, you're treating it as sarcasm to make a serious point
< 1220474751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, only most?
< 1220474752 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a weird sense of humor then.
< 1220474757 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was being sarcastic to make a joke
< 1220474764 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont get the joke.
< 1220474770 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it funny?
< 1220474770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh true, there are the quantum ones, and then the banana-scheme or whatever it was called
< 1220474772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1220474804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what line are you referring to psygnisfive and tusho?
< 1220474817 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My line about malbolge
< 1220474820 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comment that Malbolge is a BF clone
< 1220474827 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that is not the comment
< 1220474836 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun: see. american. :|
< 1220474841 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what?
< 1220474844 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1220474846 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Corun	Yeah, malbolge is totally a bf clone."
< 1220474855 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes, but it was a sarcastic comment
< 1220474859 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that
< 1220474863 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, it evaluated then inverted
< 1220474866 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to account for sarcasm
< 1220474870 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that statement that you get there
< 1220474871 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was a joke
< 1220474882 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humor is not sarcasm
< 1220474887 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sarcasm is not humor
< 1220474888 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220474891 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not the humour
< 1220474895 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sarcasm was a layer over the humour
< 1220474895 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what was the humor
< 1220474896 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god
< 1220474903 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: the humour was in the statement post-sarcasm processing
< 1220474906 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all so confusing
< 1220474908 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it wouldn't be funny without the sarcasm
< 1220474916 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what post-sarcasm processing?
< 1220474919 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now shut the hell up and stop saying "lol i didnt get it lol" over and over again.
< 1220474920 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks.
< 1220474925 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inversion of the meaning?
< 1220474932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1220474934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it
< 1220474939 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sarcasm _is_ inversion of meaning.
< 1220474940 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun: can you just explain it to him
< 1220474940 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthx
< 1220474943 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where is the humor.
< 1220474957 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you're just an idiot and don't know what the fuck you're laughing about.
< 1220474967 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes, and fuck you do
< 1220474969 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too
< 1220475016 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corun, what makes it funny.
< 1220475033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric, the channel with TC humor
< 1220475055 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is vaguely amused that psygnisfive, faced with something he can't understand, always claims that others are just fools instead of accepting that he was the one who didn't get it
< 1220475102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now _that's_ american *ducks*
< 1220475122 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :)
< 1220475126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, are American ducks somehow different? NURRR so confused.
< 1220475127 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, perhaps the fact that your explanations are vacuous is why i called you an idiot
< 1220475130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<psygnisfive> "Corun Yeah, malbolge is totally a bf clone."
< 1220475131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220475140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> theoretically all are, if you just make the cypher complicated enough :D
< 1220475143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1220475144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they come in pairs
< 1220475161 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh
< 1220475164 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I see we are all displaying our talents
< 1220475172 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive randomly insulting everyone because he doesn't get something
< 1220475176 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster missing a joke
< 1220475180 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oerjan making a terrible joke
< 1220475180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i _was_ forgetting the super-TC ones though
< 1220475183 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Corun sighing
< 1220475195 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tusho being an idiot.
< 1220475199 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a special talent? :(
< 1220475200 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't forget that.
< 1220475204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, as I suggested
< 1220475204 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-=S¡gH-=
< 1220475214 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, as you're generally reasonable.
< 1220475216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is Quantum ones super-TC?
< 1220475219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not
< 1220475225 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /saɪ/
< 1220475235 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you win the prize for 'closest demonstration of point':'when point was said' ratio.
< 1220475235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I need some sort of special power now, to fit in here.
< 1220475240 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratz.
< 1220475261 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i ask, if i'm always such an idiot, why don't you just /ignore me?
< 1220475262 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: if you ask david deutsch, quantum computers are not more powerful than turing machinese
< 1220475265 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just faster
< 1220475268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, just more space efficient
< 1220475281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1220475293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm so sleepy
< 1220475296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to bed
< 1220475297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1220475297 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his lack of reply shows that he might have
< 1220475299 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1220475304 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brbs regardless
< 1220475328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait
< 1220475330 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: sorry, i didn't see what you said. i didn't say you're always an idiot, just that you excel at it.
< 1220475332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_time_ efficient
< 1220475351 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and space efficient.
< 1220475357 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho it depends on how you define space :)
< 1220475394 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was funny because of multiple reasons. The thought of malbolge being a bf clone is, in itself, slightly amusing. But it wouldn't be properly funny without the sarcasm because the sarcasm makes it appear as though it's a serious point. Except that actually, it's just intended as a joke. Which, also makes it more funny.
< 1220475401 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that quantum computations occur on more particles in more universes than there are particles in ours, that might be considered slightly inefficient
< 1220475402 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.
< 1220475440 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corun: ok. i still don't see how its funny to simply state something that's false as tho it were true.
< 1220475449 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sky is red! lololol.
< 1220475455 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not looking at the detail
< 1220475460 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work with just any statement
< 1220475467 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't apply simple rules to make humour
< 1220475504 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that exact context, it was funny. But you didn't find it funny cos you took it as a serious statement
< 1220475505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayeeh! the sky is blood-colored! armageddon is at hand!
< 1220475509 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but i dont see why its even funny in context
< 1220475521 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're not gonna find it funny looking back because the moment is lost
< 1220475548 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.
< 1220475557 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only is it lost
< 1220475560 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT YOU RUINED IT.
< 1220475562 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1220475562 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just can't even imagine how it might be funny.
< 1220475567 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you ruined it.
< 1220475569 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by saying it.
< 1220475570 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220475592 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have a special talent?
< 1220475595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being absent?
< 1220475599 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being sexy.
< 1220475602 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're the pervert
< 1220475613 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is certainly not a pervert, oerjan
< 1220475614 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like, "rofl" funny. But it is kinda "heh" funny. I mean, it's just a slight joke. Ya know.
< 1220475618 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with me in the room.
< 1220475641 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corun: the majority of people i know say "heh" to indicate unfunniness. :P
< 1220475653 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1220475655 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the small fake laugh you give when someone failed to be funny.
< 1220475659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't pop my prejudices!
< 1220475670 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i pop your something else?
< 1220475676 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're wrong again ;-)
< 1220475682 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1220475686 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im wrong again about most people i know?
< 1220475687 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No-one says "heh" in actual speach
< 1220475697 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in IRC it just means a small laugh
< 1220475697 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says you!
< 1220475705 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we obviously know different people
< 1220475711 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people you know suck.
< 1220475713 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1220475717 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of them do!
< 1220475728 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm more perverted than psygnisfive, i'm just more shy about it
< 1220475734 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still better than "don't mind if I do".
< 1220475737 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you so aren't
< 1220475746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll see
< 1220475753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...shall we now 8|
< 1220475756 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that was a pun
< 1220475760 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your big perversion is MAYBE scat.
< 1220475762 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really need to read ->
< 1220475774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so?
< 1220475776 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You both need to publish your purity test results, that's a good starting point at least.
< 1220475786 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or atleast thats all you'll admit to.
< 1220475787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you have no idea about my perversions
< 1220475803 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by admit i mean reply at all. :P
< 1220475807 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i haven't admitted anything.
< 1220475817 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want you to admit EVERYTHING! i want to know it all.
< 1220475818 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : :3
< 1220475852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading, if you really wanna, you can be more perverted, i was just trying to make oerjan feel better
< 1220475865 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont. oerjan deserves nothing.
< 1220475910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries
< 1220475920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive is mean!
< 1220475931 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLAME TUSHO. HE MAKED ME ANGRY. GRR.
< 1220475944 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally i'd give you marshmallows and hugs but nooooo
< 1220476142 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1220477024 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey bitch.
< 1220477097 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1220477268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1220477433 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not hey?
< 1220478167 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: closures in objective-C, http://www.macresearch.org/cocoa-scientists-part-xxvii-getting-closure-objective-c
< 1220478174 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes, seen it
< 1220478176 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, 5 days ago.
< 1220478177 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on reddit.
< 1220478185 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1220478187 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my toying about was inspired by that
< 1220478193 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220478196 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my {} syntax is nicer than theirs, though
< 1220478204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and their type syntax is almost the same as funtion pointers
< 1220478208 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus still has the problem i mentioned
< 1220478214 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, theirs are less flexible regarding modifying vars
< 1220478249 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i commented on it :D
< 1220478269 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they unfortunately conflate a number of issues in that article.
< 1220478276 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they atleast dont adequately distinguish them.
< 1220478303 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i know
< 1220478306 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that;s not the point
< 1220478308 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the feature is what i saw
< 1220478322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last week, Chris Lattner — who manages the Clang, LLVM, and GCC groups at Apple — announced that work was well underway to bring ‘blocks’ to the GCC and Clang compilers. ‘So what?’, I hear you ask, ‘My kid has been using blocks since he was 9 months old.’ Fair point, but maybe not these blocks.
< 1220478328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220478334 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | and it's wrong
< 1220478378 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: welcome to "shitty programming sites"
< 1220478866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think there was something magical in "Fair point, but maybe not these blocks.", but otherwise, that was a god-awful joke :)
< 1220478943 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::plays with oklopols blocks::
< 1220479011 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it seems that the more theoretical a scientist is the better jokes he makes
< 1220479021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: oerjan's terrible puns, his being a mathematician
< 1220479064 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematics is almost purely theoretical
< 1220479073 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you mean theoretical ~ worse jokes then
< 1220479143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: but oerjan's terrible puns are greart
< 1220479148 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better than that blocks joke
< 1220479154 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is on a science site not a mathematics site
< 1220479209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in books about game-programming you find stuff like "this is a good thing.... NOT!", ai - a modern approach has had like 3 jokes, and i've actually laughed out loud once
< 1220479244 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then.. oerjans puns arent terrible they're great? D:
< 1220479246 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im confused! :(
< 1220479325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible and great don't really differ much in meaning
< 1220479341 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible is bad, great is good.
< 1220479355 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: no.
< 1220479358 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes?
< 1220479360 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's puns are terrible and great.
< 1220479365 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1220479367 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im confused!
< 1220479371 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you confuse me!
< 1220479372 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you are using logic
< 1220479373 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop that
< 1220479380 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what sense are they terrible?
< 1220479398 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need explaining after reading one...
< 1220479410 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible like unfunny painful and stupid, or terrible in the way thats funny?
< 1220479419 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1220479420 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible in a "oh god, that joke was awful, ahahaahah"
< 1220479428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the "ahahahahahah" bit leads to the "great" bit.
< 1220479430 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny in its awfulness. ok.
< 1220479438 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to just awful.
< 1220479466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel should be more o-ful
< 1220479468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1220479468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1220479468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1220479471 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1220479476 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1220479479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no psygnisfive
< 1220479482 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were doing an oko tower.
< 1220479484 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1220479493 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an oko tower?
< 1220479495 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220479496 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this
< 1220479496 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1220479497 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1220479498 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1220479499 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1220479501 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1220479505 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucked up there :D
< 1220479505 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1220479506 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1220479507 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1220479508 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko
< 1220479510 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko
< 1220479512 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko
< 1220479514 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko
< 1220479516 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko
< 1220479518 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko
< 1220479520 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko
< 1220479522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko
< 1220479524 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko
< 1220479526 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko
< 1220479528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko
< 1220479530 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko
< 1220479532 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko
< 1220479534 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1220479536 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1220479538 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1220479538 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1220479540 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol invented them on his own, then people started doing them collaboratively.
< 1220479542 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we haven't seen as many lately
< 1220479553 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we werent doing that at all.
< 1220479568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes we were
< 1220479569 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right oklopol
< 1220479570 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, oklopol, you're insane.
< 1220479570 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220479574 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3u
< 1220479602 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've invented oko *towers* perhaps, but this is not the birthplace of oko, and i'm not the inventor of it
< 1220479644 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i imagine it came from #vjn?
< 1220479652 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I claim that since #vjn is apparently a finnish place
< 1220479654 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but no one there really remembers how it started
< 1220479656 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are only 2 people in finland
< 1220479660 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220479660 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the chances that YOU invented oko
< 1220479665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as one of the two people in finland
< 1220479667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus in #vjn
< 1220479669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more likely coolness invented it.
< 1220479671 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is extraordinarily high.
< 1220479675 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we don't know for sure
< 1220479675 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you are coolness
< 1220479678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the other guy
< 1220479688 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ,the other guy is Deewiant & fizzie
< 1220479693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1220479699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i get confused myself.
< 1220479699 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest of that crowd of #esoteric
< 1220479704 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#vjn is just you, i think
< 1220479707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220479713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's a swedish guy on the chan
< 1220479724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually not anymore
< 1220479729 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was AnMaster
< 1220479772 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#vjn?
< 1220479798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vjn basically means me and my friends
< 1220479805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we're a registered group
< 1220479811 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: all your friends are you, though
< 1220479814 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've just established that
< 1220479819 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so vjn is a synonym for oklopol.
< 1220479820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that's a bit beside the point
< 1220479823 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is a registered group.
< 1220479828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :containing: oklopol
< 1220479834 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :russel is spinning in his grave
< 1220479837 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, spinning
< 1220479841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well physically maybe, but it's better to think of my personas as separate people, especially on irc
< 1220479847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220479855 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, oko is a kind of metaphysical spiritual thing
< 1220479860 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes sense to say you invented it
< 1220479864 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it was another aspect of you
< 1220479867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we discovered an interesting bug in the finnish registered group system
< 1220479873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a group can join another group
< 1220479885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can join itself, as that's not explicitly disallowed
< 1220479905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can immediately see there are all kinds of fun infinite loops
< 1220479909 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do it
< 1220479912 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance @ voting
< 1220479927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we were thinking more like making a few more groups, then joining in a chain
< 1220479931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's less obvious
< 1220479960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to watch some stuff ->
< 1220480027 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did russell die before godel proved incompleteness?
< 1220480117 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: dunno
< 1220480304 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1220480462 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1220481040 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220483729 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220486414 0 :Corun_!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220486445 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220486874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v
< 1220486920 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man
< 1220486922 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this pizza
< 1220486925 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is amazin
< 1220486926 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1220487308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep night tired tired ->
< 1220487931 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1220488287 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmfao
< 1220488293 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like oklopol is tired, so tusho leaves.
< 1220488294 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220489014 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220491593 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220496035 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220499934 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | make sure u add some easter eggs
< 1220501820 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1220506111 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:31:30 psygnisfive: i like oklopol is tired, so tusho leaves. <<< what does this sentence?
< 1220506124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sentence was the verb there.)
< 1220507136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sentences you to be liked by psygnisfive.
< 1220507144 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fate worse than death, maybe?
< 1220507268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite so indeed very much, yes.
< 1220507291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta leave, time for some design and analysis of algorithms
< 1220507424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now ->
< 1220507425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"
< 1220507825 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how*
< 1220507832 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see.
< 1220507836 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame oklopol. :(
< 1220508196 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220508993 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220510245 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@sparkgw.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220510257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is so clueless
< 1220510740 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1220510803 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1220510849 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your interactions, they seem non-progressive.
< 1220510888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220510907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the funniest thing in days
< 1220510974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quitting jokes are always funny
< 1220511765 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220511828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: a veritable programming omelet
< 1220511829 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i see
< 1220511854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*omelette
< 1220512138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a programming omelette without breaking a few languages?
< 1220512156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only, as i implied, by having enough easter eggs
< 1220512239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your languages _are_ your easter eggs, you are probably in trouble
< 1220512370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this is one place such trouble is to be expected
< 1220512389 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I though it was oklopol you were chatting with.
< 1220512410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we already established oklopol is you
< 1220512422 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you did while i was away
< 1220512787 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220512831 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220513100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nono, fizzie is the other one
< 1220513124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not enough languages have easter eggs
< 1220513132 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably even interpreters
< 1220513136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be true
< 1220513360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> well there's a swedish guy on the chan
< 1220513360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> actually not anymore
< 1220513360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> that was AnMaster
< 1220513364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what channel?
< 1220513377 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one in MS's QBasic, apparently.
< 1220513412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be hard to be a swedish guy in MS's QBasic
< 1220513429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I don't envy him.
< 1220513482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um? I never used qbasic
< 1220513505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I never ever coded in BASIC
< 1220513551 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, you just live there
< 1220513566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to code from the _inside_ of a PL
< 1220513576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I began with AppleScript on OS 7, not with BASIC
< 1220513578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is really good at reflection
< 1220513581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220513599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :applescript would be better for a swede, i hear it can be translated
< 1220513606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can?
< 1220513610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1220513616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never checked that
< 1220513630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: #vjn
< 1220513638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ah, never been there
< 1220513643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so must have been someone else
< 1220513657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't you have to understand finnish for that?
< 1220513710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't understand Finnish
< 1220513810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it was a joke
< 1220513821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you don't need to know finnish there
< 1220513827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too early in the morning for that
< 1220513888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaarrrr
< 1220515199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1220515200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220515570 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220516480 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@sparkgw.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220516486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220517338 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"You are no match for my punny weapons"
< 1220517744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, about new thread in t not being moved in F98... Well that depends on at what point you do your "move ip forward":
< 1220517754 0 :jix!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220517764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ip in ips {
< 1220517770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :move forward;
< 1220517774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :execute instruction
< 1220517775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1220517779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you reverse those
< 1220519963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I assume that PPC you tested on got inet_pton(), right?
< 1220520788 0 :Tritonio_!n=tritonio@150.140.226.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220520834 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1220521086 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220521467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you soon won't need that patch to src/fingerprints/SOCK/SOCK.c then
< 1220521491 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1220521534 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | i'll do that
< 1220522604 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220523449 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but it
< 1220523475 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s fairly obvious to me that it's meant to be done such that you execute first
< 1220523486 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you start at (0,0)
< 1220523494 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're meant to execute that
< 1220523535 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the spec: "instructions encountered by each IP are dealth with -- and each IP *then* moves as specified"
< 1220523545 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dealt, not dealth.
< 1220523607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sure sounds to me like the new thread should execute that 't'.
< 1220523661 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not impossible to make useful programs even that way (just p something other than a t on top of the t)
< 1220523670 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt it was the intent anyways
< 1220523691 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think you'd spawn a minimum of 2 new threads that way
< 1220523707 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could have one additional thread doing the 'p'ing.
< 1220523756 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one which is executed just after the original thread hitting the 't'.
< 1220523791 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be quite tricky to time it right, though.
< 1220523825 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1220523911 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think it can't be done
< 1220523918 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IP 0 hits t
< 1220523924 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- tick
< 1220523928 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IP 1 hits t
< 1220523930 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IP 0 hits p
< 1220523933 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- tick
< 1220523936 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have 3 IPs now.
< 1220523961 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but if you already earlier have generated the IP to do that p.
< 1220523988 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that it executes during the same tick when IP 0 hits the t.
< 1220524128 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220524147 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but you need to have hit a t to do that anyway :-)
< 1220524163 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but only the first t needs to generate two new threads.
< 1220524178 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "spare" one can then do the 'p'ing for all the rest of the 't's. :p
< 1220524308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still saner than the "all threads share the common stack" concurrency there was in either Befunge-96 or Funge-97. Although I don't remember where I read that from.
< 1220524817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I never seen befunge-96 or funge-97 specs
< 1220524829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was never able to find them
< 1220524882 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to find them right now either, but I have a strong recollection that somewhere I've seen it mentioned that in concurrent Befunge-96 the stack is shared between threads.
< 1220524930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220524932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab
< 1220525046 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the only reference I could find right now was #esoteric log for 2004-05-27, where I said the same thing, and didn't remember whether it was '96 or '97 then either.
< 1220525216 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is possible I have imagined the whole thing. Maybe it was on the esolang mailing list, I don't know where my archives of that are.
< 1220526413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, SOCK and the -W flags bit now fixed
< 1220526419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the LDFLAGS: not yet
< 1220526423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might take some time
< 1220526915 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I haven't had the time to look at that yet either.
< 1220528076 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220528128 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@sparkgw.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220529809 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.90.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220530577 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@j-83.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220531189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220532011 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1220532153 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220532335 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1220532338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wt
< 1220532340 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220532340 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you been here as ais523?
< 1220532342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, for how long?
< 1220532342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not slept?
< 1220532348 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I did sleep
< 1220532356 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wasn't here yesterday
< 1220532362 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I didn't spend all yesterday asleep
< 1220532374 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent much of it working on the linker for gcc-bf
< 1220532375 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so how long has this been here?
< 1220532384 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you actually here until ais523_ joined?
< 1220532390 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, who is ais523
< 1220532393 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I'm ais523
< 1220532399 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even notice my nick has changed
< 1220532399 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220532408 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: so how long have you been here?
< 1220532411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 12:03 at least
< 1220532414 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's when I joined :P
< 1220532417 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 11:34 UK time
< 1220532422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1220532424 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1220532425 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1220532427 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i normally beat you these days
< 1220532454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to come in early, needed to beat a deadline on Agora, and there was lots of noise due to work outside our house anyway
< 1220532472 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220532501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I think I may be writing the world's first linker that's written in Perl and uses regexen for just about everything
< 1220532517 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220532520 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_x
< 1220532526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm probably the first person who just mapped ar to tar and has .a == .tar.gz for object file libraries
< 1220532539 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.a is just ar
< 1220532543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know
< 1220532544 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see
< 1220532552 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not just ar
< 1220532554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ar is just a regular archive format
< 1220532555 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like tar
< 1220532559 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i dunno why you need gzip
< 1220532562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, I know, but I'm storing large amounts of text
< 1220532566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the object files are written in asm
< 1220532566 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, true
< 1220532568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait
< 1220532571 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ar.gz
< 1220532572 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more esoteric.
< 1220532577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it would be
< 1220532582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it
< 1220532582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220532585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does .ar have a gunzip and pipe to stdout option, though
< 1220532594 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pipe to something in /tmp
< 1220532604 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just do it in two stages
< 1220532608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yuck, libc is about 3 megabytes on my system
< 1220532617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to create a 3MB temporary file every compile
< 1220532622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pipe to /dev/stdout
< 1220532623 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it is
< 1220532627 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like /dev/fd/0
< 1220532631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... might work
< 1220532636 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then | that
< 1220532639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both those names are correct, except stdout is /dev/fd/1
< 1220532647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdin is 0 and stderr is 2
< 1220532648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, use /dev/stdout for clearness then
< 1220532652 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(esoteric clearness is amusing)
< 1220532662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use /dev/fd/ when golfing because it's 1 char shorter
< 1220532669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1220532703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's the only way I know to do input in m4, use directives to change the syntax of the language appropriately then use include /dev/fd/0 to include the input)
< 1220532776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only need to implement close _execve _exit _fork_r fread fstat fstat64 fwrite getpid isatty kill link lseek open rename sbrk stat strtod unlink write now to get newlib fully working, it can implement the whole of libc in terms of those
< 1220532791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_fork_r I'll use the DJGPP method I think
< 1220532805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although possibly I could write a Brainfork version with genuine forking?)
< 1220532816 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, no
< 1220532821 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make forking work in brainfuck
< 1220532832 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for processes A and B just execute instructions as ABABABABAB etc)
< 1220532842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that would make things more complicated (although not excessively more complicated) so I'll do it later
< 1220532853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yay, i like "I'll do it later"
< 1220532855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem being that I'd need multiple stacks and multiple sets of registers
< 1220532858 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it signifies that things will be crazier in the future
< 1220532861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: once I've got the core working
< 1220532865 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220532886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... something must be wrong with my newlib dependencies script
< 1220532887 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, you've just pwned GregorR in like a fifth of the time
< 1220532889 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220532907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reasonably sure it's read/write it needs not fread/fwrite
< 1220532914 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, c2bf took months
< 1220532917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it does all the stdio streams stuff itself
< 1220532918 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can barely do anything
< 1220532938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: probably more efficient than this, though, stdio overhead is massive
< 1220532970 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but his was just a syntax layer over bf.
< 1220532974 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't even have stdio
< 1220532988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm even trying to get setjmp and varargs working
< 1220533004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you join #esoteric-blah, I'll paste you my setjmp and longjmp there
< 1220533016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc has __builtin_setjmp and __builtin_longjmp which also work but are slower
< 1220533072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1220533082 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l m a o
< 1220533087 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220533128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, freenode things 96 lines is flooding
< 1220533153 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523
< 1220533155 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your client SUCKS
< 1220533162 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every good client automatically rate-limits
< 1220533184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Konqueror warns instead
< 1220533186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it warns even for 2-line pastes
< 1220533190 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :konqueror?
< 1220533190 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220533193 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym konversation.
< 1220533202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yea it should do both
< 1220533204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warn+rate limit
< 1220533278 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you are batshit insane
< 1220533294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I do
< 1220533350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: was that purposefully nonsensical?
< 1220533500 0 :ais523_!n=ais523_@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220533517 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: am I alright?
< 1220533528 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 appears to be able to receive messages but not send them atm
< 1220533529 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: what
< 1220533534 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220533536 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see
< 1220533550 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Can you see this?
< 1220533552 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's sending too, but doesn't seem to be showing up in-channel
< 1220533568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: probably because it's flooding #esoteric-blah
< 1220533570 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, so did ais523
< 1220533581 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably
< 1220533619 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, using netcat for a bit is a nice change
< 1220533635 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far did ais523 get in #esoteric-blah?
< 1220533646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted the whole of longjmp in #esoteric-blah, anyway, a bit at a time
< 1220533658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should give you some idea of what ABI looks like
< 1220533674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that took me about 10 minutes to write
< 1220533674 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, ais523's coming through now, just very slowly
< 1220533678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABI isn't that hard, it's like writing in PEBBLE
< 1220533686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220533690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, asm looks bad, but it's not that bad when you get used to it
< 1220533692 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should give me some record ping times
< 1220533694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you invented the command-set yourself
< 1220533715 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here is what i saw
< 1220533718 0 :jix!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220533720 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@sparkgw.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220533736 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> ais523: you are batshit insane
< 1220533736 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> yes, I do
< 1220533736 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> ais523: was that purposefully nonsensical?
< 1220533748 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your lag results in dada.
< 1220533768 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you won't have been able to see that
< 1220533780 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1220533782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'yes, I do
< 1220533783 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'?
< 1220533785 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i did.
< 1220533797 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 just said "tusho: that was badly out of sync, I thought I was replying to an entirely different comment"
< 1220533801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220533802 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220533803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1220533807 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i said lag->data
< 1220533809 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220533819 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is confusing...
< 1220533849 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode should really give some clue as to what a sensible flood rate is...
< 1220533876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: your client should adequately ratelimit it
< 1220533878 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a better one
< 1220533890 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's annoying, I like Konversation in other ways
< 1220533895 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even colloquy ratelimits
< 1220533898 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it has all sorts of weird quirks
< 1220533906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Perhaps there is a plugin for konversation to do it.
< 1220533920 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nicer to use than chatzilla which I used to use on the SunOS systems here
< 1220533933 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(anything to get a nice Unix command-set rather than Windows...)
< 1220533958 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you do not respond to VERSION
< 1220533988 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes I do, just very slowly
< 1220533994 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ha
< 1220534015 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I wouldn't be surprised if ais523 wasn't responding at the moment
< 1220534072 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: pinging me every second is annoying, it's hard to type with CTCPs turning up in the middle of what I'm typing
< 1220534076 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you oughta respond to my pings
< 1220534082 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I did
< 1220534097 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sent them all in the same CTCP, if your client can't handle that it's its problem
< 1220534120 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: TIME != PIN
< 1220534120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the flood-control algorithm of RFC2813; not everyone might do it like that, but it should be reasonably safe if you stay well below that limit.
< 1220534122 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G
< 1220534124 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220534126 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not showing up here
< 1220534128 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Is that in the spec?
< 1220534138 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_ tries to come up with a way to do /ignore using grep
< 1220534146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you see this?
< 1220534149 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220534150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me: ping
< 1220534151 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, but nobody handles ctcps except at the start of a line
< 1220534157 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes
< 1220534184 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, ais523 just received the pings it sent 11 minutes ago
< 1220534190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that was badly out of sync
< 1220534192 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes I can
< 1220534194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was replying to an entirely different comment
< 1220534211 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[13:16] [CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from ais523: 776 seconds.
< 1220534228 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my longest ever genuine ping time!
< 1220534246 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I can't tell a CTCP from a /msg over netcat
< 1220534255 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm treating all your CTCPs like /msgs at the moment
< 1220534258 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: i'll put CTCP in front of them
< 1220534263 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively: cat -v, dude
< 1220534305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, ais523 is working again
< 1220534306 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1220534343 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220534354 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am going to make a shell client that just seds and greps an nc
< 1220534379 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll even do nick highlighting
< 1220534384 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that's almost a good idea, responding to pings is the hardest thing to do there
< 1220534387 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$nick/\7$nick/
< 1220534391 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1220534400 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're retyping the pings by hand
< 1220534417 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Freenode you can prevent the server pinging you by pinging it proactively, that doesn't work on other networks though
< 1220534421 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to call it something which reflects how much it hates you
< 1220534423 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'bastard'
< 1220534432 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'git'
< 1220534439 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: yes, that was my joke
< 1220534444 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also on Bitch-X
< 1220534456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what do you think of setjmp.S and longjmp.S?
< 1220534463 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: i don't get them
< 1220534464 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P
< 1220534465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would just use .s but newlib prefers .S for some reason
< 1220534467 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220534487 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"have I been connected with this long enough to get a genuine quit message?"
< 1220534498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I had apparently
< 1220534537 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't .S gcc's way of specifying "assembler source but with C preprocessor in front of it"?
< 1220534550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's it
< 1220534554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newlib was using the C preprocessor
< 1220534559 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastard's slogan will be "fuck goddamn"
< 1220534562 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bastard: fuck goddamn"
< 1220534591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpp would be useful for writing ABI really, it can be very repetitive
< 1220534598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no mov instruction for register to register you see
< 1220534604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all done with transfer-additions
< 1220534616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically [->+<]
< 1220534667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you seen my collection of fungot poetry
< 1220534668 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i have ideas but i am fnord
< 1220534677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one right there!
< 1220534683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I haven't seen it collected, no
< 1220534698 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here ya go:
< 1220534711 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1192758
< 1220534723 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see the progression there, short, brief poetry to verbose yarns with incredibly long lines that are syntaxless
< 1220534728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a slight return into minimalism
< 1220534739 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's last line suggests his new poetry will be incredibly tiny, one line works
< 1220534739 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: not sure if that makes any sense
< 1220534789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I thought you said the last line there...
< 1220534792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not paying much attention
< 1220534800 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220534810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not quite sure why you would use car that many times. basically everyone seems to think that i shall never hear a poem frightful as a bear, that keeps pooping primes."
< 1220534812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is just brilliance
< 1220534820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck you are doing? /leave scheme /join java? is there such a thing
< 1220534827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably my favourite line out of the lot
< 1220534868 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like "one of my formally fnord questions consists of ordering 25 functions by their asymptotic behaviour. :("
< 1220534872 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the prime number pooping bear site has disappeared? :/ It was a Finnish site and everything.
< 1220534888 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: aw, i was hoping it thought of a bear that poops primes by itself
< 1220534897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :counting to ten modulo two before punching him? <--- if only everyone did that, "I'm going to punch you when I reach ten. 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1..." the world would be a more peaceful place
< 1220534898 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then decided that a poem can be as frightful as that
< 1220534906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how people think that he'd never see a poem as frightful
< 1220534916 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha, totally
< 1220534928 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, there was a website with a picture of a bear, plus a Javascript primality tester, and the prime numbers fell out of the bear's... rear end, you know.
< 1220534938 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that is... beautiful
< 1220534972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the asymptotic behaviour quote too though
< 1220534982 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably just a verbatim sentence
< 1220534984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's likely verbatim from /scheme apart from the fnord
< 1220534986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with one rare word replaced with fnord
< 1220534991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\//#/
< 1220534998 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /leave scheme /join java
< 1220535006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://informationnation.blogspot.com/2005/01/numbers-up-wazoo.html has a picture of it, but the link is dead.
< 1220535017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I already posted that, I'll post it again though because I like it so much
< 1220535023 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, i know
< 1220535025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fungot> what the fuck you are doing? /leave scheme /join java? is there such a thing
< 1220535025 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it allows sideeffects.
< 1220535033 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow.
< 1220535050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it in Wayback?
< 1220535063 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe.
< 1220535067 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1220535073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20061209081231/http://members.surfeu.fi/kklaine/tpnsb/poopbear.html
< 1220535075 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs IE, it seems
< 1220535081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh
< 1220535091 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.primenumbershittingbear.com/ is squatted
< 1220535095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I need 2 support to beh nowadays, don't I?
< 1220535101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: wtf would someone squat that/
< 1220535115 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was registered, apparently
< 1220535116 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1220535121 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bots scan the 'recently expired' list
< 1220535124 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and basically buy all of them
< 1220535131 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then sell them for ridiculous prices
< 1220535135 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus fucking over anyone who forgets to renew
< 1220535156 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, even though that wayback link is from 2006
< 1220535159 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the news update is from 2003
< 1220535164 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll have been squatted for years
< 1220535171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some clever domain name registrar could make millions by registering a huge number of sites to themselves for a couple of days, then putting them on the recently expired list
< 1220535182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and getting a fortune for all the bots buying from them
< 1220535192 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably illegal
< 1220535194 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1220535205 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it ran in at least some firefox version; the archive.org version seems a bit brokened though.
< 1220535312 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And actually the "asymptotic behaviour" quote was a #esoteric comment by SimonRC in 2006-12-03: the fnord is "assessed".
< 1220535411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts a fungot quote in eir sig
< 1220535412 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but i think there's a simple way of minimizing cache misses otherwise
< 1220535415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220535415 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220535451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably better take it out again, though, it could offend someone in theory
< 1220535479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so?
< 1220535480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I replaced it with a 99 bottles of beer program
< 1220535485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written in HQ9+ so it fits in a sig
< 1220535507 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only people it'd offend are complete prudes
< 1220535508 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who cares?
< 1220535522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: assessed is surely more common
< 1220535524 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than that
< 1220535526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I do to some extent, I don't like offending prudes because I may need favours from them later
< 1220535558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? someone turned one of the reader comments from an MFD comic into a Flash game
< 1220535576 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@logreading prudes: now playing wolfgang amadeus mozart - leck mich im arsch
< 1220535579 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Not in my logs:
< 1220535581 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@hactar:~/irclogs$ grep assessed freenode/#esoteric/* freenode/#scheme/* ircnet/#douglasadams/* | wc -l
< 1220535584 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1220535588 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow
< 1220535595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 'twill be a lot more than 1 now...
< 1220535623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Magenta-Kong.aspx
< 1220535625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it _is_ common _now_. That log-place doesn't get updated except by manual rsyncing from the actual host I run my client on every now and then.
< 1220535644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have Flash installed here because it seems to be the biggest security hole in all 3 major OSs, which is saying something
< 1220535664 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's 4, so if I ever rebuild that language model again, fungot will have learned a new word. Yay.
< 1220535665 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so no exlusive or either. must be all right if i guess that
< 1220535667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why would anyone respect mfd like that
< 1220535683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: bashing MfD has a really strong following nowadays
< 1220535689 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but that's not bashing
< 1220535692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MfD-basher community really churn out some interesting stuff
< 1220535720 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I ever meet mark bowytz in person...
< 1220535721 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:E
< 1220535742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and they're allowing text comments on it!
< 1220535750 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they?
< 1220535756 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pics or it didn't happen
< 1220535758 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(arf arf arf)
< 1220535758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing Alex I expected em to allow only comments in the form of Flash games
< 1220535820 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Sorry folks - no MFD Extra from me today - no way am I going do anything that might steal Matt C.'s spotlight (I know you're all disappointed) ]]
< 1220535826 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, mark
< 1220535829 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay
< 1220535832 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you take a nice good holiday
< 1220535856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway MfD is a lot better nowadays than it used to be, which isn't saying much
< 1220535894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Google> Note: There is no working Chromium-based browser on Linux. Although many Chromium submodules build under Linux and a few unit tests pass, all that runs is a command-line "all tests pass" executable.
< 1220535913 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1220535913 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1220535914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, nothing works except the testsuite, which reports that everything is fine...
< 1220535918 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: er, no
< 1220535920 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the internals work
< 1220535924 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there just isn't a frontend UI
< 1220535935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I thought it was funnier when I put it that way, though
< 1220535946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1220535968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, and they fixed the eula
< 1220535972 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can try it under wine now.
< 1220536000 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220536024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Google> You need a JavaScript-capable browser to download this software. Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser.
< 1220536025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and yes, the custom window chrome is ugly but they actually had to do it, the default XP chrome didn't let them paint in the right place
< 1220536032 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vista chrome lets them, though:
< 1220536033 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/google_chrome_beta_07.jpg
< 1220536035 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it looks a lot nicer
< 1220536040 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently os x lets them too
< 1220536073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably for their OS detection code
< 1220536075 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, silly
< 1220536122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you can paint outside the client area on Windows, I did it for my decimal clock program
< 1220536132 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's some specific reason that i don't know
< 1220536132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all sorts of weird things break if you aren't careful though
< 1220536137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they couldn't get it to work right
< 1220536148 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that google probably know, ais523
< 1220536150 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there was a problem anyway
< 1220536157 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with Google's superintelligent space monkeys, they couldn't make it work!
< 1220536161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems...likely.
< 1220536173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: my guess is that's what they are doing, but it overwrites XP's theming and so they have to simulate it themselves
< 1220536182 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220536252 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220536279 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1220536479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I didn't agree to the EULA in the end, I read the source of the webpage to see where it downloaded from and just downloaded directly
< 1220536495 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you've agreed to it anyway
< 1220536504 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all stuff has a clause saying that by downloading & using the software you agree to the eula
< 1220536507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was after telling Konqueror to pretend to be IE6 so that I could get at the Windows download
< 1220536511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes but I didn't agree to that clause
< 1220536517 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's always outside of the eula
< 1220536521 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some other area of fineprint
< 1220536522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry.
< 1220536529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well I didn't agree to that fineprint either
< 1220536534 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can't do that
< 1220536543 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only let you download it on the condition that you accept them
< 1220536638 0 :ais523_!n=chromewi@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220536647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: mibbit in chrome?
< 1220536651 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220536655 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Konversation inside sandbox
< 1220536665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: your username and realname is chromewine
< 1220536668 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not the sort of person who runs random executables with access to everything...
< 1220536680 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, that's the sandbox name
< 1220536685 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ah. :P
< 1220536693 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has Internet access and not much else
< 1220536702 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured that a browser would want Internet access...
< 1220536706 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: does it have the neccessary windows libs for chrome...
< 1220536738 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1220536796 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it doesn't run at all under Wine
< 1220536800 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just exits instantly
< 1220536805 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google probably check for that, knowing them
< 1220536810 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, off to delete the sandbox...
< 1220536813 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220536815 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works for some people
< 1220536817 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in wine
< 1220536818 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen screenshots
< 1220536821 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220536823 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they definitely don't check for wine
< 1220536827 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they, anyway?
< 1220536831 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how that's a googley-thing to do
< 1220536850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they know it wouldn't work and don't want a massive crash?
< 1220536863 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how come it works for loads of people
< 1220536874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I have Wine set up wrong for it
< 1220536884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they got some separate Windows libraries for it from somewhere
< 1220537077 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-163.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220537098 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220537153 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION the hard part with bastard is making it talk back to nc
< 1220537155 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1220537156 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard part with bastard is making it talk back to nc
< 1220537191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Chrome has 1% of the browser market already
< 1220537194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty impressive
< 1220537200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1220537208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means it's beating all of Linux combined...
< 1220537223 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao
< 1220537276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE7 at 46.8%, IE6 at 25.2%, IE8 at 0.22%
< 1220537316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox at 19.7%, Safari at 6.4%, Opera at 0.74% are the other ones used often enough to show up on the statistics
< 1220537486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this is great, apparently the major UI guideline behind Chrome is "Content not chrome", which makes sense, but contradicts their name somewhat...
< 1220537662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I am still online, occasionally I drop off the Internet and don't notice for hours, still typing random monologues into IRC...
< 1220537694 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the point is that the web app provides the chrome
< 1220537701 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the browser stays out of the way
< 1220537701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1220537706 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Google Chrome lets you access the "real" chrome
< 1220537707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with the design principle
< 1220537714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that the name's a bit ironic....
< 1220537717 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm just explaining how the name is actually fitting
< 1220537729 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're helping the user see the _real_ chrome
< 1220537732 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the idea
< 1220537757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as a page which looks like a normal black-and-white unstyled webpage whose background changes colour when you mouse over the links?
< 1220537765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220537766 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220537822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... one evil-ish thing Google are doing with Chrome is basing it on a BSD-licenced open-source project and then distributing a binary that's not compiled from the sources they give
< 1220537835 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do you know it's not compiled from those sources...
< 1220537836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is really annoying to people like me, it makes it so hard to just look at things and fix thigns
< 1220537846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well there are changes in it somewhere
< 1220537850 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do you know
< 1220537851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it would just have the same name
< 1220537856 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, no
< 1220537866 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google tends to give its oepn source projects different names
< 1220537867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could have just changed a few string constants, but given that they're going to all that trouble they probably changed more
< 1220537868 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the actual products
< 1220537873 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no...
< 1220537884 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome IS built from the chromium sources
< 1220537896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with modifications, almost certaibly
< 1220537905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chromium sources will be involved somewhere, obviously
< 1220537905 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: eagerly awaiting evidence
< 1220537911 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none given so far, just a blanket assertation
< 1220537916 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently not believing.
< 1220537924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know for certain, I just think it's a lot more likely than the alternative
< 1220537931 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. that they open sourced the browser?
< 1220537935 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMG IMPOSSIBLE
< 1220537956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that the non-open-source download with an EULA before you can even download it is exactly the same as an open-sourced BSD version
< 1220537970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why bother putting an EULA on an entirely open-source browser?
< 1220537975 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, firefox 3.
< 1220538000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.toad.com/gnu/sysadmin/index.html#firefox-eula-sux
< 1220538048 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CONSPICUOUS SILENCE*
< 1220538057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I've never seen an EULA on Firefox, obviously there's one in that tarball
< 1220538064 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, there is
< 1220538065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why when everyone redistributing it just takes it out?
< 1220538069 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that distros pre-install it
< 1220538070 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you never see it.
< 1220538076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: nor agree to it
< 1220538079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the important point here
< 1220538080 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not the point.
< 1220538085 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why bother putting an EULA on an entirely open-source browser?"
< 1220538086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the point, definitely
< 1220538087 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox 3 has one
< 1220538091 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergo your argument for it being modified because of that
< 1220538092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ridiculous
< 1220538110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I think putting one on Firefox 3 is also ridiculous, because anyone could just edit it out
< 1220538119 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but are you saying that the firefox binaries are modified too?
< 1220538123 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no you're not
< 1220538129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have no argument
< 1220538143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going by name, really, here...
< 1220538157 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because google always do something evil because they are a corporation
< 1220538160 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait...mozilla corporation
< 1220538170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I would have a priori suspected Firefox to be modified if it showed me an EULA...
< 1220538183 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why don't you ask in #chromium?
< 1220538188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real chrome developers are in there. Tons of them.
< 1220538190 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're opped.
< 1220538191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting idea, presumably it exists by now
< 1220538195 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does
< 1220538200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 100 members.
< 1220538202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the ops are chrome developers.
< 1220538259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm there now, reading the FAQ first before I say anything though
< 1220538355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learn Web manners on Usenet...
< 1220538355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1220538415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I found Wine's entry on Chrome, there's a lot of magic needed to make it work under Wine
< 1220538443 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you going to ask #chromium now?
< 1220538452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may as well
< 1220538515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked, no response yet
< 1220538517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll wait a while
< 1220538527 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you asked 60 seconds ago
< 1220538535 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you purposefully being impatient?
< 1220538540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, some channels respond instantly but apparently it wasn't one of those
< 1220538546 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go.
< 1220538549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just classifying channels by wait length
< 1220538553 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the copyrighted artwork
< 1220538562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... so it's a Firefox/Iceweasel-type distinction
< 1220538571 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I believe Chromium is built as "Chrome" too
< 1220538573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense
< 1220538574 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just without the icon
< 1220538577 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though
< 1220538583 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right then
< 1220538593 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course, it's google. they're probably lying, right
< 1220538594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: this is the point where we both claim to have been right...
< 1220538599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I believe that
< 1220538610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just at this point I'm pretty sure we'll both claim the evidence backs up our point of view
< 1220538613 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I was right in that no, they haven't done anything evil and changed code
< 1220538616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's just drop the topic here
< 1220538617 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've just patched in artwork
< 1220538622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're right that there are modifications
< 1220538626 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not the kind you expected
< 1220538628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I consider patched-in artwork to be changed code, really
< 1220538634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barely, though
< 1220538637 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and certainly not evil if you ask me
< 1220538646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't accusing them of being evil, necessarily
< 1220538671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW there are direct links to the installer all over the place, so it's easy enough to download the code without even knowing it has an EULA...
< 1220538724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my wine isn't new enough to run it, so I'll just wait for a Linux version for the time being
< 1220539133 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there is a reddit commenter who is claiming it is completely impossible to hate metallica because you think their music sucks
< 1220539143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they claim that all the haters just hate them because they hate napster
< 1220539149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting...
< 1220539149 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, they are claiming it with 100% literate english
< 1220539154 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replying to every single person who argues with them
< 1220539161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's half amusing, half pathetic.
< 1220539244 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.reddit.com/r/entertainment/comments/6zg2e/cough_metallica_cough/c05a7rx
< 1220539251 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your favorite metal band probably fucking loves Metallica, dickheads. What does your primitive little brain make of that?"
< 1220539282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi optbot, fungot
< 1220539282 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i was just checking
< 1220539282 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that would just be a one-letter recursive acronym
< 1220539300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, one-letter recursive acronyms
< 1220539309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the C IAQ claimed that "C" was, probably the best joke in the whole IAQ
< 1220539317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which has now gone down, but was good while it lasted)
< 1220539332 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's down?!
< 1220539333 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOO
< 1220539341 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: liar
< 1220539341 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.seebs.net/faqs/c-iaq.html
< 1220539347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's been Wayback-only for years, I though
< 1220539349 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220539353 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been up since forever
< 1220539361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean I've been visiting it on Wayback all these years rather than directly for no reason?
< 1220539371 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220539702 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: incidentally, the author seems to be a mac user
< 1220539712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you deduce that?
< 1220539717 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: his homepage.
< 1220539729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I impressed a lecturer once by deducing that he used Emacs from one of his slides
< 1220539736 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gnu indentation?
< 1220539741 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.plethora.net/~seebs/ seems to be the dead, wayback-only version
< 1220539752 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [[ 2002/01/17
< 1220539752 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My programming page has a new version of my utilities package which works on Mac OS X. ]]
< 1220539762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.seebs.net/log/ has a post from august 21st 2008
< 1220539763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about os x
< 1220540201 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well?
< 1220540203 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you work it out
< 1220540218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: indentation, as you guessed
< 1220540224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody indents like that deliberately
< 1220540234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I was too busy doing maths on #nethack
< 1220540241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in response to what was probably a stupid question
< 1220540426 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rms does.
< 1220540474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: incidentally I think cperl-mode does GNU-style indentation too, it's forcing me into one true brace in Perl just to avoid the GNU-style indentation
< 1220540483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does one or the other depending on whether you newline before the {
< 1220540495 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, you SHOULD one true brace perl
< 1220540497 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the convention
< 1220540505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, to make it look more like Python?
< 1220540508 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220540510 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the convention
< 1220540516 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most well-written perl i've seen
< 1220540573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"most recently, I switched to Dreamweaver 4, because Adobe seems to have replaced the very helpful staff from GoLive systems (no URL available, they've been destroyed) with a spam-friendly behemoth."
< 1220540575 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ironic
< 1220540764 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmmm...
< 1220540770 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastard needs something like
< 1220540785 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat /tmp/bastard /dev/stdout | nc "$host" "$port"
< 1220540790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it cats them asynchronously
< 1220540792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and continually
< 1220540796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'd just echo to /tmp/bastard
< 1220540799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: tail -f?
< 1220540803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: possibly
< 1220540812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1220540818 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use ctrl-d for tail -f'in /dev/stdout
< 1220540829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it probably isn't instapiping
< 1220540835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your problem is pipe buffering I think
< 1220540847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just edit the source code for tail to put a fflush in there
< 1220540848 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wait
< 1220540853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to sed /dev/stdout anyway
< 1220540866 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can just do tail -f /tmp/bastard|
< 1220540883 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmph
< 1220540887 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish you could do 'sleep forever'
< 1220540900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while true; do; done
< 1220540921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a busy loop
< 1220540924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put a sleep in there so as not to busyloop
< 1220540927 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220540928 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1220540930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wile true; do; sleep 100; done
< 1220540935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wile/while/
< 1220540936 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1d
< 1220541072 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know there should be a program written to abide by the c iaq perfectly
< 1220541076 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually works
< 1220541106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: actually much of the C IAQ does work, if only incidentally, it's deliberately set up like that
< 1220541113 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1220541117 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is it'd be crazy
< 1220541231 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.reddit.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again.
< 1220541297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tworks for me
< 1220541357 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220541450 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1220543134 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | TO bomb:
< 1220543821 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1220543840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go team a!
< 1220543845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(#nethack meme)
< 1220544000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Google has withdrawn the offensive EULA language, but why did they put it there in the first place. Money=corruption.]]
< 1220544008 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was a direct copy&paste of their EULA for all services
< 1220544018 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they intentionally try and use for everything to make it simpler for users to grasp
< 1220544021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just so happened it wasn't a great idea in this acse.
< 1220544025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez, everything is a conspiracy these days
< 1220544061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the alternative is calling Google's lawyers incompetent, and it's hard to get people to believe that
< 1220544072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think that this probably was a mistake
< 1220544083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow 'incompetent' is not something i'd attribute to a huge megacorp's lawyers
< 1220544087 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're very good at what they do...
< 1220544089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1220544096 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so
< 1220544101 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an early beta release
< 1220544115 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lawyers aren't generally all that good at understanding tech.
< 1220544119 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: filesharing stuff
< 1220544130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably skimmed it over quickly and decided it was fine without really understanding
< 1220544137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not incompetence, just a really bad mistake
< 1220544599 0 :tusho_!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220544679 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-163.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220544788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1220544798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1220544803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho_
< 1220544810 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek
< 1220544811 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220544819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have I done now?
< 1220544835 0 :tusho_!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220544880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho_
< 1220544888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits to see if the same thing will happen again
< 1220544896 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220544897 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220544914 0 :tusho_!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220544916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho_
< 1220544920 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220544930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220544933 0 :tusho_!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220544965 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220544969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho_
< 1220544971 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220544972 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220544985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw did tusho_ say hi to me while I wasn't here?
< 1220545003 0 :tusho_!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220545027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no
< 1220545036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> hi tusho_
< 1220545036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* tusho_ has quit (Remote closed the connection)
< 1220545036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ais523 (n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk) has left #esoteric ("9")
< 1220545036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* tusho_ (n=tusho@91.105.98.27) has joined #esoteric
< 1220545036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ais523 (n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk) has joined #esoteric
< 1220545037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> hi tusho_
< 1220545040 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220545042 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220545043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220545044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, this is just getting silly
< 1220545058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly tusho_ is some kind of bot, or acting like one to ignore me
< 1220545059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think he wants to say hi first every time
< 1220545066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll /ignore it for the time being
< 1220545073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see my theory
< 1220545074 0 :tusho_!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220545076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220545079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho_
< 1220545080 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220545092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, notice he never quits until you say hi
< 1220545101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I noticed that, that's why I think it's a bot
< 1220545104 0 :tusho_!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220545107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho_
< 1220545109 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220545110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the say-hi-first thing got out of hand ages ago
< 1220545120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so it quits and reconnect?
< 1220545123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe I should make a bot that says hi to tusho underscore bot
< 1220545127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently so
< 1220545142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remote closed the connection often happens when a bot quits without /quit
< 1220545145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think the non-underscore tusho is timing out
< 1220545155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no CTCP PING reply
< 1220545159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, same here
< 1220545172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if he normally ignores pings or not
< 1220545193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, normally tusho replies, e doesn't always use the same client though
< 1220545200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no CTCP version response either
< 1220545234 0 :tusho_!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220545247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, should I say hi to him?
< 1220545254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho_!
< 1220545255 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220545256 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220545263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe write a hibot
< 1220545273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if bsmnt_bot was here we could train it to say hi to tusho_ whenever it joined
< 1220545283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I trained it to say hi to everyone who joined once
< 1220545284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but why doesn't that bot say hi directly when it connects?
< 1220545296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe to give other people a chance to say hi first?
< 1220545303 0 :tusho_!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220545309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm...
< 1220545309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would fit in with tusho's thinking, I think
< 1220545312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220545314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho_: boo
< 1220545319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho_, hi
< 1220545321 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220545321 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220545323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220545339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's being debugged
< 1220545346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the quit message was different this time
< 1220545352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the last two times
< 1220545355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it was that a few times above
< 1220545359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1220545362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :race condition on exit?
< 1220545364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you are missing one fact
< 1220545371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode's IRCd suck
< 1220545375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220545379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got a bug with getting wrong quit reasons
< 1220545380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well known
< 1220545414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so on freenode about all you can know is that if there is a quoted reason it is *probably* from the person who quit
< 1220545417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1220545429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220545445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it uses errno the wrong way, since sometimes I seen * foo has quit (Success)
< 1220545451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return code 0 I guess
< 1220545455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1220545458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes * foo has quit ()
< 1220545475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errors with the reason as Success happen too often for me to get amused by them nowadays all that much
< 1220545485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, only seen it on freenode
< 1220545487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time I was working on some mmap code where they'd changed the API for it
< 1220545502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes I think I saw it on a trunk version of some other ircd, it was fixed pretty quickly
< 1220545506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the example code I had had the version test to determine which arguments to pass backwards
< 1220545512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode haven't fixed it
< 1220545520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was getting passed memory with the wrong alignment, and erroring out without setting errno
< 1220545526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus Error: Success.
< 1220545536 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220545556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um? that was POSIX mmap()?
< 1220545569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uclibc, I think
< 1220545577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220545583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was a function that returned an argument for mmap whose API changed
< 1220545598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think C should reflect on error, like befunge :D
< 1220545601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be fun
< 1220545609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running the program backwards
< 1220545611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean run backwards on error?
< 1220545618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the C level, asm level or machine code level?
< 1220545629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1220545636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be most hilarious?
< 1220545648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) a while {} loop would become a do { } while one and vice verse?
< 1220545652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be interesting to see what machine code does when run backwards, it wouldn't be pretty on the x86 as it has 3-byte commands, might work better on some other systems
< 1220545660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) the other options?
< 1220545668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm-level would at least 'work' for certain values of 'work'
< 1220545674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you would need do { } if
< 1220545683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Perl has that
< 1220545688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically do { } xxx; for every construct
< 1220545692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has lots of control-flow operators, someone even implemented but_first
< 1220545694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does it do?
< 1220545704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the do if
< 1220545706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: evaluates the condition then if it's true runs the command before it
< 1220545721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that is just like a if with condition after
< 1220545727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much like C if with a different syntax, it's just confusing because it has regular if too
< 1220545731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not like the difference between do while and while
< 1220545734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to see what else it could do, though
< 1220545743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an if which always ran the command at least once would be pointless...
< 1220545766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but_first is really silly though, clearly it was implemented as an extension by someone messing around rather than being in core
< 1220545771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, iirc x86 got variable width commands?
< 1220545774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1220545781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not only 3 bytes
< 1220545791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 1 byte ones and maybe even 4 byte ones
< 1220545793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1220545796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220545807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that reversed 1-byte and 2-byte commands might actually work though
< 1220545809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what is the range of a 3 byte integer
< 1220545811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more won't
< 1220545821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: about the right size, MySQL has them I think
< 1220545828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh?
< 1220545837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked how many possible 3 byte instructions there are
< 1220545844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-8388608 to 8388607
< 1220545848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a nice range to work with
< 1220545848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm pretty sure I seen a 4 byte one
< 1220545866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, x86 keeps getting extended processor after processor whilst still having backward compatibility
< 1220545871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wait some of the bits on 1 byte ones have to be reserved to mean that it is a 2 or 3 byte one
< 1220545874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220545888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however as I think I seen 4 byte ones, that means they must have run out of 3 byte ones?
< 1220545890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or?
< 1220545911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems likely, there aren't too many possible prefix for 3-byte commands
< 1220545932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the number of commands multiplies up really quickly when you consider that for instance mov eax, ebx and mov eax, ecx are different commands
< 1220545936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically 2 bytes with the first reserved for some value to mean "multibyte"?
< 1220545936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are a lot of registers
< 1220545950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually basically 1 byte with some values of the first meaning multibyte
< 1220545958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of the 2 byte commands some values of the pair mean multibyte
< 1220545959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1220545960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so parameters are encoded in the instructions themselves?
< 1220545980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: register parameters are, as are addressing modes, constants and numerical memory addresses aren't
< 1220545982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that means you only get like 255 new ones every time
< 1220545994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1220546003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86_64 should have tried to clean up that mess
< 1220546005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't
< 1220546009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, there's more than one possible prefix to mean multibyte, but it certainly goes to show how they ran out of the mess so quickly
< 1220546015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you heard of Itanium?
< 1220546022 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220546022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, VLIW
< 1220546023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was Intel's attempt to clean up that mess, but never really caught on
< 1220546025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220546028 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220546058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well VLIW cause other issues
< 1220546059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think AMD deliberately kept the mess in their x86_64 so that people would be more likely to migrate to it
< 1220546064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Intel copied them
< 1220546077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, like being hard to make a good compiler for
< 1220546079 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220546084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc can manage it
< 1220546092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :himoscotusholonomy
< 1220546092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220546093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220546094 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220546102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity, I wanted to test the regex
< 1220546109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, will let you next time
< 1220546130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway on VLIW the compiler does the scheduling not the CPU basically
< 1220546136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know the theory
< 1220546149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and good scheduling isn't that easy
< 1220546155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think gcc can handle it as Linux was ported to Itanium and it must have been compiled with something
< 1220546161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much nothing else was, though
< 1220546171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and writing pure ASM for Itanium would be hard
< 1220546174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes you need asm
< 1220546176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh
< 1220546180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example in low level part of OS
< 1220546185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be like writing machine code
< 1220546189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to set control registers or such
< 1220546194 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220546198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^
< 1220546198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :himoscotusholonomy
< 1220546206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not...
< 1220546207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220546210 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220546210 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220546211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, no response
< 1220546216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to what I said
< 1220546221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> it would be like writing machine code
< 1220546222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably looking for words
< 1220546224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what ASM is
< 1220546225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally
< 1220546231 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220546231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except symbolic constants
< 1220546233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220546237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220546243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, in asm normally you don't have to know the bit patterns of the instruction
< 1220546249 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220546252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220546255 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220546262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well you could handle it like this:
< 1220546267 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220546268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :op1, op2, op3, op4
< 1220546270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220546270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas with asm VLIW there are so many details to set you may as well just write the machine code, and hi tusho
< 1220546273 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220546274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to execute in a cycle
< 1220546281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so each line contains a list
< 1220546316 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220546320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also GCC could have been cross compiled
< 1220546322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220546326 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220546329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean linux
< 1220546330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1220546333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's still producing Itanium output though
< 1220546341 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220546346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes it is, but it could run on something else
< 1220546348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi tusho
< 1220546351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether it's a cross-compiler or not
< 1220546354 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220546354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220546355 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220546358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220546362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow to react there
< 1220546366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1220546376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is a human all along, but I suspect bot, it would be easy enough to write
< 1220546381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets hope he doesn't get blocked from freenode for reconnecting all the time
< 1220546382 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220546386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes certainly and hi tusho
< 1220546390 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220546402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a temporary block might do em good
< 1220546406 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220546409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, agreed and hi tusho
< 1220546412 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220546419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: online?
< 1220546424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however you better join in too ais523
< 1220546432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or he will blame me ;P
< 1220546433 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220546437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your time ais523
< 1220546437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I keep trying but you keep beating me to it and hi tusho
< 1220546447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220546454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hi
< 1220546456 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220546456 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220546460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hum
< 1220546463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was very slow to respond to me
< 1220546466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "near beginning of line"?
< 1220546475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah doesn't make snese
< 1220546484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems unlikely unless it's screen-scraping a terminal window
< 1220546491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh?
< 1220546494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OCR?
< 1220546494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1220546501 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220546504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never no
< 1220546506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho hi
< 1220546510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/no/know
< 1220546512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let see
< 1220546515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets*
< 1220546516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/\//
< 1220546521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*let's
< 1220546524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220546527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work
< 1220546528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220546530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd
< 1220546535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ignoring me I think
< 1220546538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hi
< 1220546539 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220546539 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220546541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like I'm ignoring tusho_
< 1220546543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wonder why
< 1220546593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ohsut
< 1220546598 0 :ohsut!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if it works now
< 1220546610 0 :ohsut!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, probably the real tusho is logreading and tweaking things just to annoy us
< 1220546640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohsut, well that would be very silly
< 1220546657 0 :ohsut!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: e wrote a bot once just to repeatedly revert a rule on a nomic
< 1220546658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it would sure make sense if he was afk
< 1220546666 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220546666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohsut, he admitted it?
< 1220546673 0 :ohsut!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it's pretty obvious
< 1220546674 0 :ohsut!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220546679 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220546686 0 :ohsut!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who else would both have the persistence and care?
< 1220546691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it going to quit?
< 1220546698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello tusho
< 1220546700 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220546701 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220546703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1220546706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just strange
< 1220546711 0 :ohsut!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost positive it's messing with us now
< 1220546715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220546718 0 :ohsut!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or has an intermittent bug
< 1220546727 0 :ohsut!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1220546730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohsut, was he doing that in the beginning though?
< 1220546742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, probably, although the bot's behaviour changes from time to time
< 1220546745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is a human acting bot-like
< 1220546751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, lets move the talk elsewhere just to mess with him!
< 1220546752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1220546754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans are very good at pretending to be IRC bots, I find
< 1220546772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've almost lost track of what we were talking about...
< 1220546792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, VLIW
< 1220546800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1220546806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be like writing machine code
< 1220546808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do asm in it
< 1220546809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not entirely sure if that's a good idea or not, possibly not
< 1220546818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it requires so much memory for each command
< 1220546828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and memory access speed is the bottleneck in many systems nowadays
< 1220546842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it solves a problem P4 had though:
< 1220546845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheduler
< 1220546850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long pipeline
< 1220546851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1220546858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the longer the pipelines the worse things get
< 1220546876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for long pipelines VLIW would actually solve a lot of stuff
< 1220546881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to handle scheduling
< 1220546882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220546892 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220546896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however since that is no longer the paradigm...
< 1220546903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this time lets just ignore tusho
< 1220546905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway.
< 1220546925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot, optbot
< 1220546925 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so as not to attract bears." however, i don't see
< 1220546926 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi
< 1220546936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tushoops
< 1220546939 0 :tushoops!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot, optbot
< 1220546940 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tushoops: what's readline? and is the only sane thing to happen
< 1220546940 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tushoops: ah, yes
< 1220546943 0 :tushoops!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot, optbot
< 1220546943 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tushoops: I. . . Um. . .
< 1220546944 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tushoops: it's the first time around
< 1220546949 0 :tushoops!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity, fungot, optbot, say hi!
< 1220546950 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tushoops: tcl has a type system!
< 1220546950 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tushoops: hmm... tells the os how to compile the source, like, or=
< 1220546951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your bad luck
< 1220546956 0 :tushoops!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220546958 0 :tushoops!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho, anyway
< 1220546960 0 :tushoops!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1220546973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, ignore it then
< 1220546979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220546986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220546986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't no
< 1220546995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, VLIW may not be such a bad idea:
< 1220546997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, maybe Freenode's doing the same to it as it was doing to me earlier?
< 1220547006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forcing ever-longer timeouts due to flooding
< 1220547011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) if you can use all the parts in a cycle it saves scheduling
< 1220547023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) that means a power consuming part is removed
< 1220547051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really liked hardware scheduling, I preferred either forwarding or a software solution
< 1220547064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 3) a compiler could potentially do more advanced scheduling not realistic in hardware
< 1220547072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so you suggest VLIW then?
< 1220547073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but forwarding gets too complicated when you have a long pipeline
< 1220547080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I was thinking more about instruction reordering
< 1220547092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1220547101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of telling the processor how to schedule, you literally do all the scheduling yourself and produce pre-scheduled machine code
< 1220547103 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1220547118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if, for instance, jump instructions don't kick in for 3 instructions, you write the jump instruction 3 instructions earlier
< 1220547118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, all modern "PC" CPUs can execute several instructions in parallel
< 1220547132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example a floating point operation at the same time as a integer addition
< 1220547136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you would presumably have to allow for that too
< 1220547148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is the reason for VLIW
< 1220547157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not all that hard on processors where certain instructions always operate in certain functional units
< 1220547175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance it's a solved problem by now for the 386 and 387 in parallel, to pick a really old example
< 1220547176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, issue: many CPU got several copies of each functional unit
< 1220547193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and I don't really know how to deal with that, that's certainly a good reason for trying out something like VLIW
< 1220547199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are good sides and bad sides to it
< 1220547216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes potential memory waste if you can't use all instructions
< 1220547225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example if you want to run a nop
< 1220547227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1220547264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from time delays, ideal programs would never need nops
< 1220547274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in practice they're often needed for scheduling or alignment reasons
< 1220547283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc-bf can get away with just deleting all nops
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< 1220547293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are sometimes reason for them
< 1220547295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the kerne
< 1220547297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel*
< 1220547301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think I'll compile them into the word nop in the BF source code if any are generated
< 1220547305 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1220547307 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1220547307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance by __builtin_nop
< 1220547316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220547317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220547322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah
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< 1220547335 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1220547342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also hardware scheduling for functional units can only look ahead a limited amount
< 1220547346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the bot's finally been fixed, then
< 1220547353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot, optbot, tusho
< 1220547353 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah
< 1220547353 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ( define ( macro... not ( define ( printer x list) ( map quote ( list 1
< 1220547355 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220547356 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220547359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not
< 1220547369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but a compiler could look ahead the whole function
< 1220547374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220547382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to do scheduling in hardware is just crazy, really
< 1220547387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in *theory* VLIW could produce better code
< 1220547389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet
< 1220547403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the next generation of the CPU adds an additional functional unit
< 1220547411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you need to change all programs
< 1220547425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be able to schedule for that unit too
< 1220547426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe the ideal solution would be to generate a separate machine-code program for each processor
< 1220547438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a clever compiler could rely on the clock speeds to know that everything stayed in sync
< 1220547443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make the asm pretty hard to write though
< 1220547445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um?
< 1220547475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway it means the compiler must know the details of this exact cpu revision
< 1220547484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means it is harder to add new stuff
< 1220547486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but it pretty much has to anyway
< 1220547513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you can compile generic "modern x86" code that will run well on both AMD and Intel CPUs
< 1220547532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most apps don't need that extra speed gained by specific CPU
< 1220547555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it is all nice and so, but is it really worth it for, say, a text editor
< 1220547556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but as a programmer I don't see why a processor design that forces everything to be compiled from source is a problem
< 1220547569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't need the speed then write an x86 emulator and run on that
< 1220547592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, CPUs change very fast, think GCC could keep supporting the last or would lag behind?
< 1220547621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon it could keep up if the redesigns weren't too large
< 1220547622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway you could have versioned instructions
< 1220547640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy enough to port it from one CPU to a CPU similar to it
< 1220547685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<first n bytes: revision of machine code><APU 1><APU 2>...<APU n><FPU 1><FPU 2>...
< 1220547688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1220547695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a horrible idea I admit
< 1220547709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1220547733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, probably should have revision of revision number in case we run out of reserved bits for it and need to extend it ;)
< 1220547759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: this is pretty much the mess with x86 instructions at the moment, unfortunately...
< 1220547771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes it was a joke :P
< 1220547784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 machine language is arguably a joke
< 1220547786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yes breaking backward compatibility sometimes is a good idea
< 1220547811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could add a control register with a legacy flag
< 1220547823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to support the 1 or 2 last incompatible versions
< 1220547832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that OSes could set for specific processes
< 1220547840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like x86 mode under x86_64
< 1220547863 0 :Tritonio1!n=tritonio@150.140.216.67 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220547866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly everyone would be demanding open source or their stuff wouldn't work any longer
< 1220547887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it would certainly be adopted a lot more if processors didn't work on closed-source stuff
< 1220547901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets sell this idea, err I mean GPL it to, this to RMS
< 1220547917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1220547930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably processor design would proceed a lot faster if it didn't have to worry about working on closed-source stuff
< 1220547976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe processors could have a stripped-down C compiler in ROM so that you could run source-code directly, to avoid problems with installing an OS on the computer in the first place
< 1220548000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh?
< 1220548010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what if that C compiler had a bug?
< 1220548021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no I think that may work very badly
< 1220548026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: suppose you want to distribute a LiveCD, what sort of binary do you put on it?
< 1220548039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it worked back in the days of BBC BASIC
< 1220548043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm good point
< 1220548056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be like a hundred different downloads
< 1220548059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for OSes
< 1220548077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it would be a massively bloated 10 dvd set
< 1220548085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering some OSes are almost that already
< 1220548096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't solaris on like 2 DVD?
< 1220548120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A full set of Debian designed for all possible processors would be pretty massive
< 1220548138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could have stripped down netintalls
< 1220548139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :installs*
< 1220548163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... you could have a second processor for downloading the binary of your OS
< 1220548170 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@i-153.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220548176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some computers are getting that already for websurfing etc. on Linux without waiting for Windows to load
< 1220548176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh?
< 1220548192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally with ARM as the second processor and some x86 or x86 as the main one
< 1220548210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there should probably be some basic boot mode, so you could do like one netinstall cd with maybe 5-10 different CPUs on
< 1220548211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can load the computer up on the second processor for basic web-browsing, or on the first one to use the full speed of the computer
< 1220548215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just enough for boot loader
< 1220548215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one loads a lot faster
< 1220548219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to decide which to load
< 1220548224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make sense?
< 1220548237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does
< 1220548251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still more sense if you have a simple common processor language ro bootstrap things
< 1220548259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't really matter what, you could even use brainfuck I suppose
< 1220548271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well hard to handle should there be a bug in that
< 1220548281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a bug in a BF interp?
< 1220548304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things should be possible to prove correct mathematically
< 1220548306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I assumed something anyone like a serious OS developer would use :P
< 1220548319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to pick the most portable machine code I knew
< 1220548323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is surely brainfuck
< 1220548330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly P''
< 1220548387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) probably they used just enough rom/ram for the compiler, right? to save money 2) so someone find a bug, fix would grow the stuff in the rom with maybe 20 bytes... 3) there are only 10 bytes free (they rounded it up to nearest kb limit
< 1220548399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just can see that happening...
< 1220548431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway you would have to write the whole OS in that then?
< 1220548432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or?
< 1220548435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well you should see the sort of programs that CPU manufacturers ship to flash their microcode
< 1220548449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I know such exist, but I never seem them
< 1220548452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily I haven't seen any from personal experience
< 1220548460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one was an ActiveX browser control that only worked in IE
< 1220548475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other only ran on genuine MS-DOS, it wouldn't even work under Windows' emulation of it
< 1220548479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, an user space process shouldn't have the needed access
< 1220548496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I done bios flashing using PC-DOS floppy
< 1220548499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well that's what I thought, it at least explains the MS-DOS for the second one
< 1220548515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as a browser control, that's really worrying
< 1220548527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for win95?
< 1220548557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on windows 9x IE could have the needed access
< 1220548560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without problems I bet
< 1220548564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no idea, this is second-hand so I'm repeating what I know but don't know the details
< 1220548573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220548603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for intel microcode I think it doesn't stay after reboot, it reverts to the old state, so you have to load it at every boot
< 1220548612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :support exists under linux at least
< 1220548621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs something in kernel
< 1220548625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's 915resolution which patches the BIOS every boot
< 1220548627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some user space tool run as root
< 1220548628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I have on here
< 1220548643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means I can't hibernate because if I do I get an unpatched BIOS when it resumes from hibernation
< 1220548651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :915resolution?
< 1220548665 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220548673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220548677 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220548680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also I assume that "915resolution" whatever it is runs at every reboot?
< 1220548681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: allows an Intel 915 graphics card to handle screen resolutions higher than 1024x768
< 1220548685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it does
< 1220548688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, under linux?
< 1220548695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a service, at runlevel 3 or so
< 1220548703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, under Linux
< 1220548709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could make it rerun after resume
< 1220548712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably there's something similar buried in the code of Windows somewhere
< 1220548715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logically it should be possible
< 1220548721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I assumed so, but never bothered to find out how
< 1220548741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it needs to run before the computer tries to switch into graphics mode
< 1220548759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at run level 3 that would already have happened I think?
< 1220548764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :framebuffer
< 1220548780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's 2 then
< 1220548784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, usplash
< 1220548791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can switch into graphics mode first
< 1220548802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usplash runs at 1024x768 for that reason, I think
< 1220548829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't like boot splashes
< 1220548846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu has one by default, and I can always control-alt-F1 to get rid of it
< 1220548864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which point all the text scrolls by on terminal 1 rather than the usplash
< 1220548879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which just shows a progress bar except when fscking
< 1220548887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you run ubuntu? I thought it was debian?
< 1220548914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's pretty hard to tell from outside, but this is Ubuntu
< 1220548928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I mean I thought you said it was debian before
< 1220548929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of the programs claim to be Debian though because Ubuntu never ported them
< 1220548942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have used Debian systems in the past, not for IRC though I don't think
< 1220548943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ported?
< 1220548947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "recompiled"?
< 1220548952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1220548956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok lazy
< 1220548960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recompiled with different version info
< 1220548966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ bash --version
< 1220548966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU bash, version 3.2.33(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
< 1220548973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220548984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where would it say debian
< 1220548985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... that doesn't list distro, I suppose it doesn't need to
< 1220548987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or gentoo
< 1220548989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1220549003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[    0.000000] Linux version 2.6.25-gentoo-r7-1 (root@tux.lan) (gcc version 4.1.2 20070214 ( (gdc 0.24, using dmd 1.020)) (Gentoo 4.1.2 p1.1)) #2 Sun Aug 3 13:19:47 CEST 2008
< 1220549006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Apache's error page seems to know
< 1220549016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that says... because I use gentoo patchset
< 1220549025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gcc says for some reason
< 1220549038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess their patchset is large enough there
< 1220549042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, my gcc knows it's Ubuntu
< 1220549056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however most non-gcc/binutils/kernel stuff seems to ignore distro
< 1220549083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the distro has a fairly significant patchset, of course.
< 1220549102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can hardly imagine them editing the C-INTERCAL source to specify that it's Debian in a version string somewhere
< 1220549105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my package manager seems to know ;)
< 1220549114 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220549119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :package managers need to know which repo to access, and hi tusho
< 1220549120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other gentoo made apps
< 1220549121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220549127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1220549127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220549131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh?
< 1220549135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :script gone wrong?
< 1220549136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buggy or rate-limited or both
< 1220549141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably what happened to me earlier
< 1220549150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where pings took over 10 minutes at one point
< 1220549155 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220549156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pasted a lot of text in #esoteric-blah
< 1220549157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220549158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220549168 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, just use a pastebin
< 1220549170 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549172 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as a result messages I sent were delayed about 10 minutes
< 1220549174 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by Freenode
< 1220549176 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549178 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549180 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549182 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1220549184 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549186 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549191 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549192 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549194 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lets ignore tusho
< 1220549196 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549198 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220549198 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220549201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's possible that tusho's current actions have nothing to do with what we're saying at the time
< 1220549202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact lets get lament to kick him
< 1220549208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I tried, but lament wasn't online
< 1220549221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it would need to be a temporary ban, kicking doesn't really work against someone who keeps parting anyway
< 1220549223 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220549226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um the current actions... well after a reconnect any rate limit would be reset
< 1220549241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, s/temporary/permanent/
< 1220549257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "temporary" I meant "remove the ban after a bit"
< 1220549285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I didn't mean that ;)
< 1220549292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you know that Freenode isn't experimenting with a rate limit that works across connections as an antispam method?
< 1220549296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems in-character for them
< 1220549305 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1220549307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin $ grep -li Gentoo * | wc -l <-- still waiting
< 1220549312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi ais523
< 1220549313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220549315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220549315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1220549319 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1220549323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so you fixed it?
< 1220549325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi optbot
< 1220549325 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hehe
< 1220549334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that made sense
< 1220549357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot often does, it seems that half the stuff said in #esoteric would make sense in just about any context
< 1220549358 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um? short circut operators? isn't that the default in C?
< 1220549366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh fungot often makes much less sense
< 1220549367 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it would be just
< 1220549403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes... so they cancel each other out
< 1220549415 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220549418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep -li Gentoo * | wc -l
< 1220549420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :328
< 1220549428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is number of matching files
< 1220549436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm waiting for number of non-matching ones
< 1220549443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it was in /usr/bin
< 1220549457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220549479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually I think a lot will match because GCC puts a .comment section in with GCC version, and the GCC version strings contain "gentoo" here
< 1220549499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a lot more interesting without that .comment section
< 1220549499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how many of the /usr/bin executables will have been stripped on your system
< 1220549507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 99%
< 1220549509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect most of them, probably?
< 1220549511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not from .comment
< 1220549514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that remove the comment?
< 1220549519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only from debug symbols
< 1220549530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not from other symbol tables
< 1220549536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nm would still make sense I guess
< 1220549541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so
< 1220549543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# grep -Li Gentoo * | wc -l
< 1220549543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: ear: No such file or directory
< 1220549543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3059
< 1220549549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for ear it is a borken symlink
< 1220549558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to an erlang tool that has been deprecated
< 1220549568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-L means "list files without matches"
< 1220549581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I filed a bug about package installing that symlink
< 1220549597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting part here is that I got so many binaries
< 1220549599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm trying the same test over here, in /usr/bin and searching for Ubuntu
< 1220549600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is scary
< 1220549614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I mean over 3300 binaries in /usr/bin
< 1220549616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, and I have a lot of broken symlinks in /usr/bin...
< 1220549616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY?!
< 1220549624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as a comparison
< 1220549630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and that doesn't include KDE, KDE is in /usr/kde/3.5/bin
< 1220549632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1220549640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the heck over 3300 binaries?
< 1220549650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets say some are symlinks
< 1220549655 0 :megatron!n=moozilla@207.118.49.24 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220549663 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1220549677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-ld or x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-c++-3.4.6
< 1220549680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even then
< 1220549681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot
< 1220549689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: some programs like git install all their possible command-line options as symlinks I think
< 1220549695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1220549703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder how many non-symlink ones there are
< 1220549704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, you can install BusyBox and only have one non-symlink command in /usr/bin...
< 1220549737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's only really worthwhile on embedded systems, and even then they normally need something besides POSIX shell commands
< 1220549752 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1220549753 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1220549755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BusyBox was invented to create recovery floppy disks for Debian, that's why it has dpkg
< 1220549774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tux /usr/bin # find . -type f | wc -l
< 1220549774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2975
< 1220549776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and I think tusho is lagging, even though #freenode say they haven't changed the code recently
< 1220549776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi tusho
< 1220549788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, * Ping reply from tusho: 0.72 second(s)
< 1220549800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have 201 binaries in /usr/bin that mention Ubuntu
< 1220549811 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220549815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have almost 3000 non-symlink ones
< 1220549825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 5885 files there total
< 1220549833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure a few are wrapper scripts, like the autoconf for different autoconf versions
< 1220549841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and freenode's ircd suck, including their throttle code, it handles bursts badly
< 1220549844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like at connect
< 1220549849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2584 non-symlink
< 1220549856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's a lot of symlinks...
< 1220549861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes...
< 1220549882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which is why I'm usually lagged for like one and a half minute while my client autojoin lots of channels
< 1220549885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, symlinks are 'l' are they?
< 1220549901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 2584 f and 358 l
< 1220549903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are the others?
< 1220549909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :files with embedded newlines?
< 1220549919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh?
< 1220549928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe directories?
< 1220549954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wait, I don't have 5885 total
< 1220549954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, at least arch put /usr/bin/perl-<version> for some misc perl binaries like perldoc and such
< 1220549959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1220549960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have 2942 total now
< 1220549966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, fsck time?
< 1220549968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why did I get a high result earlier?
< 1220549974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, I probably messed up a command
< 1220549977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, check what command you typed
< 1220549978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I fscked recently
< 1220549979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :press up arrow
< 1220549981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see
< 1220549985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your shell
< 1220549999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I typed ls -1 *
< 1220550000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than ls
< 1220550003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ls -1
< 1220550006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1?
< 1220550008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one?
< 1220550016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ls -1 means don't sort into multiple columns
< 1220550024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and?
< 1220550026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the default anyway when not outputting to tty
< 1220550028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the *
< 1220550029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has that got to do with anything?
< 1220550036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -1 * returns higher than ls -1
< 1220550041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it lses all the subdirs too
< 1220550052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you have subdirs in /usr/bin?
< 1220550054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't
< 1220550057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on my gentoo
< 1220550058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1220550059 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1220550059 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1220550060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my arch I got one
< 1220550060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1220550061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1220550061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1220550061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't either
< 1220550064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that isn't it
< 1220550081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, unless a symlink is to a directory
< 1220550083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 2584 regular files, 358 symlinks, and one type 't'
< 1220550093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t is?
< 1220550094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... what does that mean, a t in the file type field?
< 1220550098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either
< 1220550120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's the first letter of "total 381419"
< 1220550129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I forgot to cut out from the result...
< 1220550136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1220550159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ls -l /etc
< 1220550160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 2086
< 1220550160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1220550167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ls -l /dev
< 1220550167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 0
< 1220550171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does total mean here?
< 1220550178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ls -l /dev | wc -l
< 1220550178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :235
< 1220550180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: total size, probably in KB
< 1220550187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ls -l /etc | wc -l
< 1220550188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :229
< 1220550193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no /dev files have any size because they aren't regular files
< 1220550193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm
< 1220550202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I guess that's it
< 1220550274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Aug 26 10:58 /dev/XOR -> null
< 1220550275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um?
< 1220550276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1220550283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me that makes no sense
< 1220550344 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi aismaster
< 1220550378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no I don't think he is lagged or whatever, just messing with us
< 1220550382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a troll
< 1220550391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not even a troll
< 1220550395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220550400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a troll would act much more interesting
< 1220550407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1220550411 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220550425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what did you see last?
< 1220550428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your last line was
< 1220550432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> no /dev files have any size because they aren't regular files
< 1220550435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mine?
< 1220550455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, sorry
< 1220550457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connection trouble
< 1220550461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> ais523, hm
< 1220550463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I only said one line after that
< 1220550465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev files use up no space apart from the inode itself, I think
< 1220550499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://rafb.net/p/BsFSnT48.html
< 1220550600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ??
< 1220550619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1220550622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, care to comment on that odd XOR device?
< 1220550625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, here, just distracted
< 1220550633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what XOR device?
< 1220550640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, <AnMaster> ais523, http://rafb.net/p/BsFSnT48.html
< 1220550646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it in there
< 1220550657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, seen it now
< 1220550665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have it
< 1220550672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's just linked to /dev/null, why?
< 1220550746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no clue
< 1220550753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I'd like to know
< 1220550769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50-udev-default.rules:KERNEL=="null",                   SYMLINK+="XOR"
< 1220550770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220550775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no explaining comment either
< 1220550840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is so odd I should probably track down the udev rules maintainer and ask
< 1220550856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe later
< 1220550859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have that time
< 1220550862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not now
< 1220551062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if /dev/AND and /dev/OR exist
< 1220551089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for malloc() and free() to work it means the implementation have to internally keep track of how large the block is right?
< 1220551100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why doesn't the C standard add some routine to query that
< 1220551118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me that sounds like it could be useful and the info would already have to be tracked anyway
< 1220551145 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220551241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what do you think?
< 1220551323 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-41-67.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220551333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes ais523 
< 1220551345 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220551369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello Mony
< 1220551388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hm wait here it's /dev/X0R, not XOR
< 1220551411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, huh? what distro? Gentoo here
< 1220551425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but it is definitely XOR here
< 1220551430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 0
< 1220551435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks different
< 1220551442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, this is getting even weirder
< 1220551458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is?
< 1220551460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: DOS has malloc and free as syscalls, and there's no way within the DOS protocol to get at the internal size
< 1220551468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: /dev/X[O0]R
< 1220551471 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know it's NVG's server
< 1220551471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah yes
< 1220551477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well and?
< 1220551481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uname -a
< 1220551484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it still needs to track it so?
< 1220551505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just says GNU/Linux
< 1220551508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, that may be one reason the C standard doesn't specify a way to track, because on some OSs the malloc and free won't tell you
< 1220551509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you mean they did it for DOS compatibility?
< 1220551523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: C89 has everything compatibility, it even restricts filenames to 6.1
< 1220551531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is even more ridiculous than 8.3
< 1220551534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also /dev/XOR exists on Arch Linux too
< 1220551544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 6.1...?
< 1220551546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1220551551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: minimum needed for the C header files
< 1220551559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that on some Acorn OS, even that wasn't enough
< 1220551561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :insane
< 1220551570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C compiler on that system maps stdio.h to h/stdio
< 1220551577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a directory called h with a file named stdio on it
< 1220551582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the standard allows that sort of thing
< 1220551591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous filename restrictions, though
< 1220551599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh yes that sounds familiar, they do filenames that way
< 1220551608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!Befunge is for that OS iirc
< 1220551612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ! means "executable"
< 1220551615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220551632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the name makes sense
< 1220551633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, !Befunge would iirc be a directory somewhat like the "packages" on OS X I think
< 1220551638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was some sort of C programming joke
< 1220551660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC_OS is the same iirc
< 1220551663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as Acorn OS
< 1220551671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least Acorn made RISC
< 1220551726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Proprietary ADFS filesystem - The OS uses meta-data to determine file type; file extensions are not used. Colons are used to separate the filesystem from the rest of the path; the root is represented by a dollar ($) sign and directories by a period (.). Extensions from foreign filesystems are shown using a forward slash ('example.txt' becomes 'example/txt'). For example, ADFS::HardDisc4.$. is the roo
< 1220551727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t of HardDisc4 using the ADFS filesystem. This system gives support for filesystems other than ADFS."
< 1220551731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does that make sense
< 1220551758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1220551760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1220551762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to someone
< 1220551763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least it explains it
< 1220552090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but at least it explains it" sounds like a punchline
< 1220552114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, this must be a joke
< 1220552150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220552155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, RISC OS is no joke
< 1220552160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly
< 1220552205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _could_ be, if we are actually in a sitcom or webcomic
< 1220552218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a very nerdy one, so probably the latter)
< 1220552318 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a bad thing to realize you are being http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenreSavvy in real life? (Warning: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife)
< 1220552433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WrongGenreSavvy)
< 1220552485 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think I should have actually scripted that oh no stuff
< 1220552514 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220552553 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-063-192.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220552582 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will never know, as we have already forgotten the context
< 1220552598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I doubt ais523 has forgotten the context
< 1220552599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor AnMaster
< 1220552602 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I bet they are ignoring me
< 1220552653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just lost the game
< 1220552703 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping
< 1220552751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES THEY HAVE, i have hypnotized them to forget everything i have not been told about
< 1220552785 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220552814 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: hi
< 1220552822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1220552824 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1220552847 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo unignore me kthx -tusho
< 1220552848 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unignore me kthx -tusho unignore me kthx -tusho
< 1220552873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I never actually had you on ignore
< 1220552879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I still have tusho_ on ignore though
< 1220552881 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anmaster likely does
< 1220552884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, unignored
< 1220552914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I never had you on ignore either
< 1220552915 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo why the doubling?
< 1220552916 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the doubling? why the doubling?
< 1220552917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mental ignore sure
< 1220552921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it is a echo?
< 1220552926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220552927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo doubles stuff
< 1220552929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1220552936 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're the one who went "wtf" the first time
< 1220552936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on Windows it doesn't
< 1220552941 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're acting all "duh" :)
< 1220552948 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your os choice does not change the laws of sound
< 1220552953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes because I thought of it in terms of shell scripts
< 1220552960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's the joke, obviously
< 1220552988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: echo says back to you what you said to it on Windows
< 1220552989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm let me see if I remember...
< 1220552991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo off
< 1220552992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the argument is on or off
< 1220552996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it something like that
< 1220552997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, i know
< 1220552998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly anyway
< 1220553000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same in shell
< 1220553001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ?
< 1220553007 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the joke
< 1220553008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: echo on and echo off control the settings of the sell instead
< 1220553012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sell/shell/
< 1220553017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo ^echo
< 1220553018 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo ^echo
< 1220553018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so how did you print the actual string "off"?
< 1220553024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: with difficulty
< 1220553025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we'd need two fungot's for that
< 1220553026 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: then in foo?
< 1220553027 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey AnMaster
< 1220553030 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put fungotty in here
< 1220553031 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: and the only place where it used to
< 1220553036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanted a quine
< 1220553039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably echo "off " would pretty much work on modern Windows, DOS was rubbish at quoting though
< 1220553040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I'm not stupid
< 1220553048 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes you are
< 1220553049 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220553058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah but they have windows power shell now
< 1220553069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's weird, I haven't used it but I've heard it's object-oriented
< 1220553073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not very like ordinary shellss
< 1220553075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, oh and it wouldn't work, since they would run out after a few iterations
< 1220553076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s$//
< 1220553080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one using ^ and the other %
< 1220553093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: make it use ^, then.
< 1220553095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes I haven't tried it either
< 1220553102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I don't want them to collide
< 1220553108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use optbot
< 1220553109 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: #perverted might have gotten too many non-programming-related visitors.
< 1220553114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1220553115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: when there's an Underload-bot in a channel it's normally reasonably easy to set up a loop whatever the characters if there's one other bot
< 1220553118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1220553129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, can you find the context of optbot's last comment?
< 1220553129 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: please.
< 1220553135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering wtf that was about
< 1220553140 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably when people were being perverted in here
< 1220553144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone told them to go to #perverted
< 1220553161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah
< 1220553163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that exists?
< 1220553165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I guess that someone was discussing the name #esoteric
< 1220553165 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll grep, though
< 1220553166 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no
< 1220553168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to check
< 1220553170 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but channels auto-vivify.
< 1220553171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone pointed out that it was preferable to #perverted
< 1220553178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes of course
< 1220553184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they are created on demand
< 1220553191 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05.07.22:00:31:04 <fizzie> #perverted might have gotten too many non-programming-related visitors.
< 1220553198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what would be wrong with #esoteric?
< 1220553205 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:22:46 --- join: msingh (~msingh@203-59-177-150.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #esoteric
< 1220553205 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:23:00 <msingh> is this the channel for perverts?
< 1220553212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1220553213 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:25:11 <fizzie> Only if you think esoteric programming languages are perverse.
< 1220553213 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:25:59 <msingh> right
< 1220553213 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:26:03 <msingh> and i think thats reasonable
< 1220553214 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:28:28 <fizzie> "marked by a disposition to oppose and contradict", "resistant to guidance or discipline", "marked by immorality; deviating from what is considered right or proper or good"; I guess that does apply.
< 1220553214 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:29:49 <BigZaphod> maybe perverted programming language would have been a better term.  plus it has a cool acronym: ppl
< 1220553216 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:30:36 <msingh> hmm no point denying it though, we are talking about perverts
< 1220553218 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:31:04 <fizzie> #perverted might have gotten too many non-programming-related visitors.
< 1220553221 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:31:18 <BigZaphod> fizzie: heh, good point.
< 1220553222 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:31:37 <msingh> :)
< 1220553229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ contecktz
< 1220553233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, where did the name "esoteric programming languages" COME FROM?
< 1220553242 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: DO COME FROM .3
< 1220553251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1220553253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~'($%2
< 1220553260 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :####
< 1220553264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what happens if you write it in lower case in intercal?
< 1220553266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: don't do that, it would mess with the system library too easily
< 1220553270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: syntax error nowadays
< 1220553275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, before?
< 1220553289 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what would it do
< 1220553293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a compile-time flag in C-INTERCAL that controls case-sensitivity, but as far as I know nobody set it to insensitive
< 1220553301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think INTERCAL-72 was invented before lowercase was
< 1220553325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least before it became common
< 1220553343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALGOL-68 had a pragma to tell it to use nonstandard case-based stropping
< 1220553344 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what, you mean outside of computers?
< 1220553346 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool
< 1220553350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone would be shouting all the time
< 1220553356 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in everyday conversation
< 1220553357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonstandard because many computers couldn't manage case distinctions
< 1220553402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ALGOL-68 was only 4 years before INTERCAL-72
< 1220553445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the ancient romans, you could always hear coming
< 1220553453 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh my!
< 1220553456 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of the children...
< 1220553546 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220553550 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps #perverted is a better name.
< 1220553625 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we _do_ get the occasional rare magick enthusiast in here
< 1220553640 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you miss my joke
< 1220553643 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it too terrible to comment on
< 1220553654 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yea, i remember that guy looking for an actual esoteric thing
< 1220553655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAA
< 1220553658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed it
< 1220553658 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to turn him the way of science but no!
< 1220553660 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1220553665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ha
< 1220553666 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220553666 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1220553670 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did oerjan miss a Terrible Pun
< 1220553701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was too preoccupied with my Yoda grammar
< 1220554200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... why is it that C didn't think of using the $ for anything?
< 1220554211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an operator or whatever
< 1220554425 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ is often legal in symbol names, maybe they didn't want to conflict with that.
< 1220554440 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least GNU as allows $ on most targets, I think.
< 1220554466 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that standard C variables could have $s, but still.
< 1220554541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively maybe they were COMMUNISTS and didn't want to use the "big money" character.
< 1220554944 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot in ASCII that C doesn't use
< 1220555001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, gcc allows $ in variable names without -ansi (or maybe without -pedantic)
< 1220555012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm allows both . and $ in identifiers though
< 1220555026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(normally compilers use . in asm identifiers to guarantee they're unique from user-code identifiers)
< 1220555432 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220555505 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220556061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://lifehacker.com/5045136/google-chromes-aboutinternets-easter-egg
< 1220556069 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, no screenshot
< 1220556085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: does about:mozilla do anything in Chrome
< 1220556089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was special-cased in IE, after all
< 1220556090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1220556093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to give a blue screen
< 1220556097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than a 404
< 1220556103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously it's special-cased in Firefox
< 1220556120 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://howtogeek.com/ss/2008-09-03_1949.png
< 1220556150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about:% has also been doing the rounds recently
< 1220556156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the easiest ways to crash Chrome
< 1220556159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can be linked from a webpage
< 1220556167 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220556168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so link that crashes the browser, straight off
< 1220556176 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently %: crashes it too
< 1220556184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: did you just try that?
< 1220556188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220556191 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i heard it
< 1220556201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... % is SQL for what sh calls *, isn't it?
< 1220556213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea if that's relevant
< 1220556217 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for LIKE
< 1220556219 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it's not
< 1220556220 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kleene percent?
< 1220556221 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a random character
< 1220556283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do other random characters crash it?
< 1220556308 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%a, %-, %;, %? ?
< 1220556320 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%a should probably work
< 1220556343 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or no, it has to be at least two digits evidently
< 1220556356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome does a Google search on anything that doesn't look like a URL, I hardly ever use Google so I find the Firefox 3 address bar more useful
< 1220556371 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you hardly ever use google?
< 1220556376 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you prefer yahoo? :P
< 1220556377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know because sometimes I forget to press down before return then it does a Google search)
< 1220556393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: web search engines aren't as good as finding what I want then knowing people who know where to find what I want
< 1220556395 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just keep a 365-day history? :-P
< 1220556404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: my history is infinite
< 1220556414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and normally I'm visiting the same websites I've visited earlier, rather than looking for new ones
< 1220556423 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my history is cleared when the browser closes
< 1220556427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Wikipedia tends to be better for finding an organisation's website then Google does
< 1220556443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I keep infinite history and search through it with the 'awesomebar' normally (stupid name)
< 1220556455 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesomebar is an awesome name
< 1220556589 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1220556596 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RFCs say that a personal site should be at name.me.country
< 1220556607 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've already stated my anti-tying-yourself-to-your-country sentiment, etc.
< 1220556611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what I should use?
< 1220556614 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to use tusho.org.
< 1220556619 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i'm not really an organization.
< 1220556623 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho.name?
< 1220556627 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eww. .name is ugly.)
< 1220556637 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho.info
< 1220556638 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.me is for some random place but is being marketed for personal websites, etc.
< 1220556644 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should get tusho.me
< 1220556647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: er, no
< 1220556650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tie yourself to an obviously incorrect country, or preferably an invalid one
< 1220556651 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a complete abuse of the .info domain
< 1220556658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's equally wrong no matter which domain
< 1220556660 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as you can see i'm going for correctness here
< 1220556686 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.name is the correct one
< 1220556707 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but... http://tusho.name/
< 1220556708 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eurgh
< 1220556714 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly
< 1220556728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho@tusho.name is even uglier
< 1220556739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you want to get rich and shell out for the tusho toplevel domain
< 1220556740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use @tusho.name
< 1220556744 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: invalid
< 1220556746 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as we've discussed
< 1220556751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may soon be possible
< 1220556755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: valid, you can have no characters before the @
< 1220556760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just most mailers don't understand it
< 1220556765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's over 100k.
< 1220556768 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no
< 1220556769 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, I didn't know that
< 1220556770 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we looked it up
< 1220556771 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember?
< 1220556773 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ages ago
< 1220556790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you can even have nested comments in email addresses
< 1220556799 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fizzie looked it up
< 1220556802 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need something before the @
< 1220556808 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that I did know :-)
< 1220556825 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it'd fuck up address validators
< 1220556834 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :address validators already don't understand shit
< 1220556837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most address validators are wrong, they can't handle nested comments
< 1220556843 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even nested comments
< 1220556849 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basic stuff like plus addressing
< 1220556866 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or short ones like foo@...
< 1220556878 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, exactly
< 1220556881 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want something i can actually use.
< 1220556889 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :address validators are a piece of shit and should die
< 1220556900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: so's your face.
< 1220556909 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not really
< 1220556909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what about an RFC-based address validator?
< 1220556949 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only one I know of is that infamous perl regex and I'm not sure if it's been proven correct
< 1220556957 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not
< 1220556961 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're silly
< 1220556962 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are tons
< 1220556969 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are correct?
< 1220556970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: if it isn't recursive, it's wrong
< 1220556976 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes
< 1220556978 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :search cpan, foo.
< 1220556987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only very recent versions of Perl can do recursive regexen without helper variables
< 1220557000 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I suppose these are deployed and actually in use as well
< 1220557005 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure
< 1220557011 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given a BNF description
< 1220557015 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write a validator.
< 1220557049 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have yet to see any which even claims to validate according to the whole RFC, let alone does it
< 1220557055 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean there aren't any
< 1220557058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you haven't looked hard enough
< 1220557059 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does mean they aren't widespread
< 1220557062 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220557064 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't
< 1220557064 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't HAVE TO
< 1220557066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are on cpan
< 1220557070 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every perl programmer searches cpan
< 1220557075 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, amongst perl programmers, they are widespread
< 1220557076 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very much doubt that :-D
< 1220557087 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'd be wrong
< 1220557087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe Deewiant agrees with me rather than tusho about CPAN
< 1220557098 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hoorays, widespread among perl programmers
< 1220557105 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, i know, any language that doesn't have every library in the core distribution is evil
< 1220557112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not it at all
< 1220557114 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the JSP, PHP, ASP programmers responsible for 80+% of web sites
< 1220557130 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and e-mail validators that reject "xe@xe.org"
< 1220557131 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: they suck, and your point is
< 1220557137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1220557140 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what rejects xe@xe.org
< 1220557150 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember
< 1220557162 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why
< 1220557176 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something rejected it because the part before @ was "too short"
< 1220557187 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not that, specifically
< 1220557191 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xe@something I think
< 1220557196 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something with 2 chars, anyway
< 1220557225 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: and my point is, whoop-te-do, so good validators exist. They're not used anywhere which makes them practically useless.
< 1220557233 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean they should die
< 1220557235 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reverse, in fact.
< 1220557243 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most cases it's easier to just send e-mail to the address
< 1220557255 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it works, it works
< 1220557259 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, complain to the user
< 1220557264 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about validating that it has a @ and a . in it
< 1220557266 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems reasonable to me
< 1220557268 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell does there need to be a separate validation step
< 1220557270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: couldn't someone get you blacklisted for spamming like that with repeated join attempts?
< 1220557291 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do you mean?
< 1220557302 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I get what you mean, but I can't quite think of a practical case
< 1220557305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no
< 1220557314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the sort of thing it's good to think about when designing webapps
< 1220557336 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: wrong, . isn't necessary
< 1220557348 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: correct
< 1220557357 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't WANt people registering @localhost
< 1220557373 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so blacklist it
< 1220557374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic
< 1220557381 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything else that resolves to a LAN address
< 1220557397 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1220557401 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: or just take the easy route out and check for @ and .
< 1220557409 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there will never be an address you want that doesn't have a . in it
< 1220557411 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: foo@[IPv6 address]
< 1220557421 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah, uh, no.
< 1220557426 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean, no.
< 1220557428 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1220557430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you un-forward-looking person!
< 1220557440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Microsoft Vista has support for IPv6 nowadays
< 1220557446 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP does as well
< 1220557446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the world has almost run out of IPv4 addresses
< 1220557449 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to an extent
< 1220557450 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1220557454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: really? I thought it was just Vista
< 1220557460 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure it does
< 1220557468 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to run out of ipv4 addresses
< 1220557468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are even resorting to horrible things like NAT to get more IPv4 addresses
< 1220557470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be fun
< 1220557484 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia page mentions "Windows XP SP2 IPv6 stack"
< 1220557505 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ipv6.org/impl/windows.html
< 1220557593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :status: Preview
< 1220557604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what that means when translated from Windowsmarketingspeak
< 1220557642 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably "beta"
< 1220557794 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@m-192.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220557923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: how's Chrome on Acid3, by the way?
< 1220557948 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not very good
< 1220557960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't use webkit's drawing as it uses propietary apis on windows
< 1220557964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: does it beat Safari?
< 1220557964 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they've had to write that bit themselves
< 1220557965 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's unsurprising
< 1220557966 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no
< 1220557971 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :safari is 100/100
< 1220557974 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in recent builds
< 1220557976 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, webkit is)
< 1220557980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I meant released Safari
< 1220557983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220557985 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then no, i don't think so
< 1220557990 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets like 47/100
< 1220557992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a Mac, you should be able to check easily
< 1220558012 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't wanna open chrome
< 1220558029 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that involves starting parallels
< 1220558054 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: safari beats it
< 1220558055 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a lot
< 1220558058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :75/100
< 1220558141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll go with tusho.net
< 1220558144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a domain
< 1220558161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.com is obviously wrong and feels it, .org is OK but I might wanna profit from that domain sometime
< 1220558164 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. sell something i've made
< 1220558173 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.net is pretty much used as the more-netural com these days
< 1220558174 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.
< 1220558188 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220558241 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes .name so ugly compared to .net, for instance
< 1220558256 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1220558259 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1220558259 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1220558259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1220558259 0 :megatron!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1220558259 0 :Tritonio1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1220558260 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
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< 1220558281 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-063-192.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220558281 0 :megatron!n=moozilla@207.118.49.24 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220558281 0 :Tritonio1!n=tritonio@150.140.216.67 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220558281 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220558281 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220558281 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220558300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope you netsplit back again soon
< 1220558316 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's too long for a tld, really
< 1220558325 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tusho.name/ just really grates with me, aesthetically
< 1220558326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220558333 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's ego: .name is getting as much attention as tusho
< 1220558337 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when tusho is the important part
< 1220558341 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220558343 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho.net gives 'tusho' the focus
< 1220558385 0 :Tritonio1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1220558385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I thought .net was mostly for ISPs and suchlike
< 1220558390 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have "gehennom.org" registered even though there's nothing like an organization there. On the other hand, "zem.fi" is equally pointless and was chosen because of the shortness. And neither of those are really "name"-style addresses.
< 1220558391 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: used to be
< 1220558397 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not any more
< 1220558405 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's just "everything"
< 1220558411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as .com was once for commercial things
< 1220558412 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of .com/.net/.org seem to be just "everything" now.
< 1220558419 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.org is not everything
< 1220558421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh, I like TLD segregation
< 1220558423 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen a profiteering .org site
< 1220558431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and .com vs. .org is to do with profit-making, I think
< 1220558433 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: .net is the best genericized one, probably
< 1220558439 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because .com 'feels' commercial, kind of
< 1220558442 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and .org feels organizational
< 1220558444 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but .net just feels generic
< 1220558452 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think if you want a generic tld to use, .net is the way to go
< 1220558495 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did think about getting "zzie.fi" because of the nickname, but maybe not.
< 1220558509 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you could get fizz.ie
< 1220558516 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you couldn't
< 1220558518 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's taken
< 1220558529 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Surprisingly" the name "zzie" was not taken.
< 1220558533 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend has http://hideou.se/ though, that's where the counter is
< 1220558540 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(his online moniker is Hideous)
< 1220558552 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer
< 1220558592 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220558996 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220559144 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220559216 0 :Tritonio_!n=tritonio@150.140.226.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220559792 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1220560266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder
< 1220560271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about what?
< 1220560273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about post post modern
< 1220560277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should happen sooner or later
< 1220560294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably it already has, but everyone just calls it stupid and ignores it
< 1220560472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh?
< 1220560474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples?
< 1220560484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, anything so random and stupid it doesn't even seem to count as art
< 1220561007 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :postmodernism is bullshit
< 1220561007 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220561017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :postpostmodernism is not postbullshit, though
< 1220561281 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And then-"
< 1220561298 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220561557 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1220561619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did something happen to g?
< 1220561646 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1220561761 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-47.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220561866 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some serious time dilation you've got there.  look out for black holes.
< 1220561902 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f
< 1220562366 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220562366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220562684 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220562686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1220562690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who votes i should get tusho.net
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< 1220564734 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | not caring about what the string contains
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< 1220564782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,
< 1220564791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"and here i thought it was dedicated to its job"
< 1220564802 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1220564884 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,,
< 1220564892 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok,,,hehehehhehehe......
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< 1220584538 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make my own brainfuck language. How would I go about getting a compiler for it?
< 1220584848 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I go for an interpretted language
< 1220584878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making your own Brainfuck language?
< 1220584883 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's Brainfuck, it's not your own.
< 1220584945 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I want to modify it and make it my own
< 1220584985 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1220585005 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a command I want
< 1220585059 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I want a seperate data storage area, not an array, more of a single variable I can cache things into
< 1220585112 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably better for everyone if you write your own compiler or interpreter
< 1220585161 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like so I can ^<<<V and that would copy the value to the cache, then move back three, and copy the value from cache
< 1220585200 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm looking for a way to use a pointer to a specific piece on the tape
< 1220585213 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the single-value cache is the only vailable storage?
< 1220585219 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*available
< 1220585225 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1220585233 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no
< 1220585240 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just more efficient
< 1220585280 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like in assembly, you have the stack, but you also have areas you can place data, and get it later
< 1220585338 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just would be nice if we got that.
< 1220585355 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1220585405 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a tape is great but there's still a small piece of ram in the back
< 1220585442 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that it would make brainfuck too easy to be interesting
< 1220585461 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what about pointers
< 1220585523 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you do a bunch of stuff, no idea where you are after some loops. 0@, there I'm back at the start
< 1220585557 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the left edge is not infinite on this 'tape', there would be a device to rewind to the start of the tape
< 1220585594 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, my first brainfuck program >+[++++++++++>,----------]<[<]>>[.>]
< 1220585631 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takes input until a 10, then echos all of the data
< 1220585715 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried running it?
< 1220585724 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1220585729 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why this one actually works now
< 1220585772 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before I just had a program that went until a null pointer but I'm not exactly going to hit a NULL button on my keyboard to stop the program
< 1220585812 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm looking for is a way to force a loop to happen at least once, a do...while, rather than a while
< 1220585848 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[ does that
< 1220585863 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I know but then you use up another space
< 1220585869 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can get lost.
< 1220585892 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would much rather have >{++++++++++>,----------}<[<]>[.>]
< 1220585911 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use C
< 1220585917 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do
< 1220585922 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want to use brainfuck
< 1220585927 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's fun
< 1220585954 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1220586008 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could work on a parser for uhh whatever I'm going to call my little brainfuck derivative
< 1220586334 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Look at it.
< 1220588647 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I've decided on having two tapes, the program code cells, and the data storage cells
< 1220589634 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need much of a parser when every instruction is 1 char
< 1220589684 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck was actually designed to make it easy to compile/interpret
< 1220591370 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220591384 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but I've got a lot of commands planned
< 1220591423 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'ma go to bed now
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< 1220607934 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | and for location of stacks and direction of growing, I'll make that command line arguments
< 1220608145 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 bcgobg!
< 1220608146 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220608147 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | how do you tell which ones are bad?
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< 1220610424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly does "If an attempt is made to modify the result of a comma operator or to access it after the next sequence point, the behavior is undeﬁned." mean?
< 1220610442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is from C99 standard 6.5.17 paragraph 3
< 1220610446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220610447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is from C99 standard 6.5.17 paragraph 2
< 1220610450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1220610624 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like x = (x=1, 2); ?
< 1220610731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm not sure
< 1220610746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however that seems like it should be undefined to me
< 1220610752 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably nothing you'd ever run into in practice
< 1220610760 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awfully obscure, anyway
< 1220610787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well IOCCC probably...
< 1220610801 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "in practice"
< 1220610845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah true
< 1220610876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway I suspect obscure use of the comma operator is an excellent way to obfuscate C code.
< 1220610895 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think anything nontrivial is UB
< 1220610904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1220610906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess so
< 1220610925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, however the specs give "f(a, (t=3, t+2), c)" as a valid example
< 1220610942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would mean f(a, 5, c) according to the example's description
< 1220610945 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but that's fairly nontrivial ;-)
< 1220610963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly nontrivial?
< 1220610974 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaluate t=3, evaluate t+2.
< 1220610984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you added a "non" to much I think
< 1220611001 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, apparently
< 1220611016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, still if I ever saw something like like that in real code I would have to read it twice then exclaim wtf :P
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< 1220625794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you code a compiler (in a non-TC language) for a TC language?
< 1220625963 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220625985 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a lang which goes through 'a=b' in order and applies to stdin and finally outputs to stdout:
< 1220625992 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+=ptr[i++]
< 1220625993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1220625995 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ptr[i]--
< 1220625997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1220625998 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++
< 1220626000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you get my meaning
< 1220626004 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck->c is just trivial string replacements
< 1220626015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1220626043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf->simple asm in Befunge-93 should also be possible
< 1220626051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess
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< 1220629055 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright I just finished my cache and tape classes, not sure if they work or not.
< 1220629534 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | cya
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< 1220633981 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220633984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought ais would be here today.
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< 1220635715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, btw cfunge compiles successfully on GCC and ICC. TCC lacks a certain C99 feature currently cfunge uses but they plan to add that. PCC I couldn't even get to compile a simple hello world on my system
< 1220635728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220635731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling llvm/clang currently, though clang is experimental
< 1220635735 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure why you decided to tell me all that
< 1220635736 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay
< 1220635745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so will be fun to see if it works
< 1220635749 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, can't wait for clang to replace gcc
< 1220635755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what i've heard it is completely awesome
< 1220635761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems rather good
< 1220635769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it is still far from complete
< 1220635772 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220635779 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220635786 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps ais523 should be writing an LLVM backend instead...
< 1220635787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, also I suspect trying to compile a kernel using llvm could cause serious issues
< 1220635788 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for brainfuck
< 1220635789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1220635791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or glibc
< 1220635796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1220635804 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, presumably they're targeting regular apps first
< 1220635805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220635812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yeah
< 1220635821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway GCC won't be replaced for a long time
< 1220635830 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220635834 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit of a shame, it is _quite_ warty
< 1220635837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe on OS X, since Apple seems to be LLVM fans
< 1220635848 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, os x is still very BSDy
< 1220635855 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220635856 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern BSDy
< 1220635866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you ever been to #llvm on oftc?
< 1220635872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot seem to match *.apple.com
< 1220635874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220635883 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, well, apple have done a lot with llvm
< 1220635885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's cool
< 1220635906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure is
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< 1220635917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, however, llvm is rather large
< 1220635925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the cause is that it is written in C++
< 1220635926 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not bloated
< 1220635928 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's quite a difference
< 1220635933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not something I would like on an embedded system
< 1220635935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor GCC
< 1220635941 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yea
< 1220635946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an embedded system I would probably try something like PCC
< 1220635946 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220635947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such
< 1220635949 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't just tweak a regular compiler for embeddedness
< 1220635954 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's unsurprising
< 1220635955 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi Mony
< 1220635959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, PCC and/or TCC should work fine there
< 1220635963 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220635968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCC is x86 only though
< 1220635970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so well..
< 1220636025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does this look ok in konqueror to you? http://eso-std.org/
< 1220636032 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the style i'm going to use for my blahhhg
< 1220636038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a screenshot would be appreciated
< 1220636044 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although tbh i don't give a crap about konqueror, nobody uses it
< 1220636048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so you broke the real site?
< 1220636059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it looks better than in firefox
< 1220636060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd
< 1220636068 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the real site had nothing there
< 1220636073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except a test post
< 1220636083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the default skin
< 1220636088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, why is there an empty white box above the title and below the red bar?
< 1220636089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in firefox
< 1220636092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in konq
< 1220636100 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: works in ff3, it's just that ff2 is broken
< 1220636103 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the same bug IE has
< 1220636110 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the white box is meant to stretch the whole page
< 1220636113 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the posts are meant to be in the white box
< 1220636119 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does konqueror not even show a white box at all?
< 1220636125 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, i knew it was broken but dayum :)
< 1220636131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, in ff2 all links are underlined, in konq they are underline on hover
< 1220636133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strange
< 1220636138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not good for colour blind
< 1220636138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's a konqueror default
< 1220636143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah ok
< 1220636160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh clang finished compiling
< 1220636161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a screenshot in ff2&konqueror would be much appreciated, i don't have them to test with
< 1220636192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, the red box around ESO have 90 deg corners in konq
< 1220636196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rounded ones in ff2
< 1220636201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, but sure a sec
< 1220636202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: again, screenshot would you :P
< 1220636204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1220636211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, just will take a few minutes
< 1220636215 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, sure
< 1220636539 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ping
< 1220636548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes I said a few minutes...
< 1220636560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn the virtue of patience
< 1220636573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you were 6 minutes.
< 1220636574 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1220636857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, issue:
< 1220636861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ompload konq.png
< 1220636862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Progress for 'konq.png'
< 1220636862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :######################################################################## 100.0%
< 1220636862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error omploading 'konq.png'
< 1220636862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finished with 1 errors.
< 1220636866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1220636870 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so use another image host
< 1220636872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not rocket science
< 1220636878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what one?
< 1220636883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no login should be needed
< 1220636884 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i generally use xs.to
< 1220636887 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could use bayimg.com
< 1220636898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, command line tool?
< 1220636911 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are you going to die to upload two f*cking images via a browser
< 1220636923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, indeed
< 1220636950 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why, exactly? What's the big deal?
< 1220636960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, DCC enabled?
< 1220636967 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220636972 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://bayimg.com/ just upload it, sheesh
< 1220636973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget it then
< 1220636984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1220636991 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is the problem with clicking 'browse', selecting a file and clicking upload?
< 1220637000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you make such a goddamn fuss over having to use a GUI program?
< 1220637006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, give me a page that doesn't time out...
< 1220637017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both xs.to and bayimg.com fail?
< 1220637021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlikely...
< 1220637023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220637026 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big is that file?!
< 1220637029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as a few other ones
< 1220637031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1220637037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imageshack.us?
< 1220637044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -bsh konq.png ff2.png
< 1220637044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :209K    konq.png
< 1220637044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :206K    ff2.png
< 1220637050 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange.
< 1220637052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm I think my ISP got issues
< 1220637057 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likely.
< 1220637071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see if DCC works
< 1220637087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Offering ff2.png to tusho
< 1220637106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes it did
< 1220637111 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220637114 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally broken, both of em
< 1220637115 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220637119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, oh?
< 1220637122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hope you fix that then
< 1220637132 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can't be arsed, it's for my personal blog
< 1220637141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works in firefox 3 & ie 6/7
< 1220637148 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll make up, uh, all of my traffic.
< 1220637149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, opera?
< 1220637152 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep
< 1220637153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have opera btw
< 1220637154 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :safari too
< 1220637157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, chrome?
< 1220637167 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason why it shouldn't, it's based on webkit like safari
< 1220637175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, lynx?
< 1220637178 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :)
< 1220637180 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the markup is very lean
< 1220637183 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be very nice in lynx
< 1220637194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well it works in ff2 and konq too, just not the CSS bit
< 1220637199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that doesn't work in lynx either
< 1220637204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shush :P
< 1220637228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, doesn't work well in lynx
< 1220637232 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why not
< 1220637234 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works fine for me
< 1220637238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#                                                                                                                                                            ESO
< 1220637238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   #Feed
< 1220637238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1220637238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                                              ESO
< 1220637243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what it looks like at the top
< 1220637256 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the problem...
< 1220637263 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :page title, the <link> elements, then the h1
< 1220637264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it seems strange
< 1220637266 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how lynx displays things,
< 1220637277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want another screenshot?...
< 1220637282 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i have lynx here
< 1220637285 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is it's correct.
< 1220637296 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#Feed is from the <link> element to the atom feed in my <head>
< 1220637301 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second ESO is from the <h1>
< 1220637301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1220637305 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one is from the <title>
< 1220637327 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway, firefox's problem there is that that white thing should stretch down to the bottom of the page
< 1220637330 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the posts should be contained within it
< 1220637344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and konq 3.x problem?
< 1220637355 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: exactly the same except it lacks the white box altogether...
< 1220637361 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever :p
< 1220637367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and got non-rounded corners for the red thing
< 1220637370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look around ESO
< 1220637376 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yea, but only firefox and webkit support those
< 1220637380 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, gecko and webkit
< 1220637392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so it is a non-standard CSS bit?
< 1220637392 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;
< 1220637392 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -webkit-border-bottom-left-radius: 5px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;
< 1220637392 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -webkit-border-bottom-right-radius: 5px;
< 1220637396 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's in CSS3
< 1220637397 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as border-radius
< 1220637405 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing implements it apart from gecko and webkit
< 1220637408 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since it isn't standard yet
< 1220637413 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use the standard CSS method for unstandard things
< 1220637416 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-vendor-property
< 1220637424 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they disagree a bit on how to do things like 'bottom left', though
< 1220637440 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it's not-yet-standard CSS because css3 isn't final yet
< 1220637461 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the problem with firefox 2 and konqueror is that they don't let you apply styling to unrecognized elements
< 1220637464 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bug bug bug bug bug bug
< 1220637466 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and entirely their fault
< 1220637476 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i use HTML5 elements like <article> and such)
< 1220637494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE6/7 has the same bug but a tiny piece of JS fixes it
< 1220637495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, they don't claim to support HTML5 I guess
< 1220637502 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not to do with that
< 1220637507 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should let you style <asdasdad>
< 1220637510 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's how css works
< 1220637516 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an actual bug on their part
< 1220637517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you used XML + your own XML Schema I guess it would work?
< 1220637521 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220637523 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still a bug
< 1220637538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well add a custom XML schema for it?
< 1220637545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that works
< 1220637551 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want my pages to be xhtml, can you remember the huge rant in #ESO?
< 1220637556 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe I have stated my cause very well
< 1220637562 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the people working on html5 100% agree with me too
< 1220637581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so where in the html5 file does it say anything about what version of HTML it is?
< 1220637586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a doctype?
< 1220637587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<!DOCTYPE html>
< 1220637593 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doctype is html5-specific
< 1220637593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, html5?
< 1220637596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :html6?
< 1220637597 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the pre-html5 ones look like this
< 1220637604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know what they look like
< 1220637604 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<!DOCTYPE html "-//W3C//dicks dicks butts">
< 1220637607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however...
< 1220637611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: however, you're wrong
< 1220637613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you know what html version
< 1220637615 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as browsers ignore the doctype
< 1220637619 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from quirks mode vs standards mode
< 1220637625 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't actually listen to what version you put in there
< 1220637626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what about future html6 version?
< 1220637631 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: <!DOCTYPE html>
< 1220637643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so if there were any breaking changes stuff would go pretty bad?
< 1220637648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it does anyway
< 1220637652 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :browsers ignore whatever html version you specify
< 1220637656 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use the doctype to determine:
< 1220637661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you mean the major ones do?
< 1220637673 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. whether you actually have one (quirks mode vs standards mode)
< 1220637678 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's it
< 1220637679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't prevent some potential browser from caring about it
< 1220637685 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: such a browser would be useless
< 1220637690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, why?
< 1220637693 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the number of broken webpages would be sky-high with it
< 1220637707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it could have a quirks mode as well
< 1220637713 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web is shit, people put shit that contradicts other shit in their shit, and as a browser maker you have to bend over, take it, and add a metric fuckton of hacks to make them work
< 1220637719 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lame but it's true
< 1220637735 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: btw - http://annevankesteren.nl/2005/07/html5-doctype
< 1220637736 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more reading
< 1220639025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hey!
< 1220639029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge compiles with clang
< 1220639033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't link
< 1220639037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I comment out:
< 1220639039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :signal(SIGPIPE, SIG_IGN);
< 1220639041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in main()
< 1220639045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty strange
< 1220639047 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay
< 1220639048 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220639054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that, which I suspect is a LLVM or clang bug, it works
< 1220639738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, found the issue, it clang claims to be GCC by defining __GNUC__, so that exposes some inline asm in a system header...  which then clang fails horribly at
< 1220639753 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can see why they claim to be gcc
< 1220639754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even going to bother with reporting a bug
< 1220639756 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tons of stuff dies out without it
< 1220639761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they are liars
< 1220639763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1220639766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that put me off
< 1220639768 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lol*
< 1220639780 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your browser sends a user agent that lies
< 1220639785 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and covers up its lie with (compatible;
< 1220639788 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna stop using that?
< 1220639789 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what
< 1220639790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes I hate that as much
< 1220639792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does it SO THINGS WORK
< 1220639800 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you'd prefer it if everything was broken, huh
< 1220639801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like it either
< 1220639811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I prefer avoiding lies
< 1220639814 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLLLLLLLLL
< 1220639827 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has a point
< 1220639834 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, the issue is crap that does #ifdef __GNUC__
< 1220639845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but he's not going to report a bug because they're DIRTY LIARS
< 1220639851 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is ridiculous
< 1220639863 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, somewhat.
< 1220639875 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil, malicious, dirty, conniving LIARS
< 1220639878 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably lie to everyone
< 1220639889 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would he deal with such sleazy folk
< 1220640258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't report a bug either
< 1220640270 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no but you wouldn't report it anyway
< 1220640271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for other reasons
< 1220640274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1220640277 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas AnMaster has stated that the reason is because "they're liars"
< 1220640298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind weird reasons
< 1220640309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to watch stuff ->
< 1220640676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Deewiant> really, the issue is crap that does #ifdef __GNUC__
< 1220640722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well yes, ICC does it too, but at least ICC 1) doesn't fail at it 2) got an option to turn that off (-no-gcc). Though I would prefer if it defaulted to off rather than on
< 1220640725 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so file a bug with glibc :-)
< 1220640738 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, as for 1) clang is beta
< 1220640773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed. but they want me to try to create a minimal test case not including any system headers.. well as far as I can see it is a preprocessor issue
< 1220640778 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as for preference, again, too much stupid stuff does #ifdef __GNUC__
< 1220640802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really irritating to define __GNUC__ if you don't implement GNU C... Stuff that dies without __GNUC__ defined doesn't *deserve* to compile.
< 1220640828 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, like glibc.
< 1220640845 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the linux kernel.
< 1220640859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought glibc was fairly explicitly designed to not need __GNUC__.
< 1220640874 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"look at Tiny C Compiler development list for workaround they had to put up with to use glibc headers. (TCC refuses to define __GNUC__, but what a pain it causes.)"
< 1220640880 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(found via google)
< 1220640892 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so quite evidently not
< 1220640895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as the Linux kernel goes, yeah; why, exactly, *do* they decide to only work with GCC?
< 1220640922 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleck.
< 1220640927 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because they decided to use C for speed, which makes sense, but C is such a crap language that they want to use the GNU extensions, which also makes sense. :-P
< 1220640959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glibc has absolutely no excuse.
< 1220640971 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1220640983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GNU coding standards fairly explicitly require cross-UNIX compatibility.
< 1220640984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: exactly so it's better to support it
< 1220640993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it makes them DIRTY SLEAZY LIARS
< 1220640995 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right AnMaster
< 1220641067 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no compilers I have can optimize "switch (foo) { case bar: stuff; break; default; assert (0); }" to "stuff;" :-(
< 1220641182 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220641194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> It's really irritating to define __GNUC__ if you don't implement GNU C... Stuff that dies without __GNUC__ defined doesn't *deserve* to compile.
< 1220641199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my stuff doesn't
< 1220641212 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm.
< 1220641224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it is a lot worse that compilers die when they define __GNUC__ and then get some weird stuff from system headers
< 1220641233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: what do you expect?
< 1220641245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler authors only got themselves to blame
< 1220641249 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's beta, so expect nothing.
< 1220641270 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they're going to do something about it given that it's /glibc/
< 1220641271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, as for TCC, it works almost fine on cfunge
< 1220641283 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: and they'd get it done faster
< 1220641283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be one single C99 construct that cfunge uses that TCC can't handle
< 1220641285 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if AnMaster reported a bug.
< 1220641286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (int i...
< 1220641287 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he won't
< 1220641289 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're LIARS
< 1220641295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I plan to
< 1220641300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once my mail is working again
< 1220641301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for TCC
< 1220641306 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, so you like sleazy liars now
< 1220641308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they ask you to use their mailing list
< 1220641311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no TCC
< 1220641317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read what the heck I said
< 1220641324 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking to Deewiant
< 1220641335 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win the reading comprehension prize
< 1220641339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> AnMaster: ah, so you like sleazy liars now
< 1220641340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220641341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure?
< 1220641344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it was to Deewiant
< 1220641345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to me
< 1220641350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or why did you mention my nick
< 1220641351 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. yes it was
< 1220641355 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: please read properly
< 1220641357 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mentioned TCC
< 1220641359 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was talking to Deewiant
< 1220641360 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about you
< 1220641363 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and clang
< 1220641369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220641383 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how they'd fix the bug quicker if it were to be, you know, reported.
< 1220641391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and well it is not because they are liars, but well they are too. but because they only got themselves to blame
< 1220641391 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you won't, because they're "liars"
< 1220641395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they claim to be another compiler
< 1220641398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can't handle that
< 1220641406 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so tell them and let them fucking fix it
< 1220641417 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it COMPILER EAT COMPILER EVERY COMPILER FOR HIMSELF
< 1220641594 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1220641866 0 :Tritonio_!n=tritonio@150.140.226.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220642205 0 :GreyKnight!n=wheel@5ad0b3f3.bb.sky.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220642244 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhh, that explains it
< 1220642273 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a memo from some randomer asking me to come back here, I guess the addition of ancient logs to the /topic has something to do with it :-)
< 1220643139 0 :CO2Games!n=CO2Games@75-173-251-127.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220643149 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1220643165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, if I knew who you were, that'd be great. :p
< 1220643313 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who?
< 1220643353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight.
< 1220643358 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot ?
< 1220643359 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: !"BF!"100[1-$][['<]['>]['+]['-]['.][',][91][93]8CHOOSE;!,]#
< 1220643368 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220643567 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is just zis guy, you know?
< 1220643632 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wo
< 1220643633 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w
< 1220643634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight
< 1220643636 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got my memo?
< 1220643637 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220643656 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a guy from a september 06 log i read a while back!
< 1220643658 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is cool.
< 1220643664 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think. :p
< 1220643675 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless someone else is memoing people demanding their return
< 1220643677 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be strange
< 1220643690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pikhq, i seem to remember you talking to him in the log :P
< 1220643731 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: here http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.09.02
< 1220643735 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> [GreyKnight] is cool.  <-- wooo critical acclaim
< 1220643753 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the wacky world of esoterica these days, anyway
< 1220643754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: rated 5 out of 5 by irc magazine!
< 1220643761 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ... pretty much the same, i think.
< 1220643815 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1220643817 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1220643824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd; I think I was around in '06.
< 1220643837 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I join in '05 or '06?
< 1220643841 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1220643842 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.09.02 has you in it
< 1220643851 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is the log i read with GreyKnight in it :P
< 1220643858 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: oh, as for why I saw that particular log
< 1220643860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I just forgot Sir Grey.
< 1220643868 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our bot here (say hi optbot)
< 1220643868 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I might add <ii (reminiscent of html's "ISINDEX") for a form with just a text field, a submit button and optionally a prompt :P
< 1220643879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- spews out random quotes from the entire backlog of esoteric
< 1220643880 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220643881 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Sure it does.
< 1220643885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keeps our topic interesting.
< 1220643893 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a quote that interested me, so I grepped for it and found that log.
< 1220643898 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ended up reading it. ~fin~
< 1220643960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is GreyKnight ?
< 1220643966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I seen the nick before somewhere
< 1220643991 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you really are good at asking a question that we've just discussed and answered...
< 1220643995 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is from this log http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.09.02
< 1220643999 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.09.01 and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.09.02
< 1220644015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I'm on a PDA atm, connecting to the bnc, I don't have a lot of scrollback...
< 1220644024 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you only need like 10 lines of scrollbar
< 1220644027 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*scrollback
< 1220644029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 lines is what I have
< 1220644050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, issue is I just connected at "<tusho> GreyKnight: oh, as for why I saw that particular log"
< 1220644056 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1220644057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ...
< 1220644099 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster, I am just zis guy
< 1220644104 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there :-)
< 1220644108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1220644159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok off again, should be back to normal computer soon
< 1220644299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok back on desktop
< 1220644303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads scrollback
< 1220644318 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agh I can't get my brainfuck interpreter to work
< 1220644322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, that explains it
< 1220644332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, what is the issue?
< 1220644350 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1220644356 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure yet
< 1220644386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way I recently came up with a new (I think) way of optimising bf
< 1220644390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how to implement it
< 1220644392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1220644406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a [-] you can know you hit 0. Right?
< 1220644436 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see bf is still popular these days, then
< 1220644439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if that isn't directly followed by any unbalanced loops or such
< 1220644460 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I'm not sure [-] would do that in all cases
< 1220644461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could optimise away [-]>>++++<<+ to set *one* instead
< 1220644462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to begin with
< 1220644471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even more complex
< 1220644474 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: it shall always be...
< 1220644476 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unfortunately)
< 1220644486 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: trivial optimization
< 1220644487 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything does it :P
< 1220644501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact apart from in unbalanced loops (as in different > and < count) you could optimise about everything to set constants or add fixed numbers
< 1220644508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relative current pointer
< 1220644512 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a problem with the brainfuck interpreter I'm writing
< 1220644520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could do loop renumbering
< 1220644523 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's parsing everything wrong
< 1220644526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even partly in unbalanced loops
< 1220644553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[+>>--<+>-<<-<]
< 1220644557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is unbalanced
< 1220644559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however
< 1220644575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[+>+>---<<-<]
< 1220644577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then
< 1220644592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[+->+>---<<<]
< 1220644596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one more step
< 1220644597 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I wrote my first brainfuck program
< 1220644604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to remove the first +-
< 1220644618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seen it done for balanced loops
< 1220644623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never for unbalanced ones
< 1220644625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ?
< 1220644630 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1220644634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tons of stuff does that
< 1220644639 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see bf4.c or whatever
< 1220644641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that mazonka guy
< 1220644648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220644662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, my other idea: Befunge: you could probably JIT it
< 1220644675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not compile it
< 1220644682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not by any reasonable way
< 1220644683 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220644685 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :already done
< 1220644688 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see befunge wiki page
< 1220644689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, link?
< 1220644714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, can't find the word JIT there?
< 1220644723 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is more to reading than ctrl-f
< 1220644742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The bf2c compiler included with the standard Befunge-93 distribution uses threaded code: each instruction is compiled to a snippet of C code, and control flows through the snippets just as it does in a Befunge interpreter (that is, conditionally on the value of some 'direction' register.) This does not result in a significant advantage over a good interpreter."
< 1220644747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :threaded code != JIT
< 1220644751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite different
< 1220644767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "Note that the bf2c compiler is not correct since it does not handle p correctly, but it would not be impossible to make it do so (although the C language might not be well-suited for this.)"
< 1220644790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Betty I can't find a link to
< 1220644790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how about actually reading
< 1220644791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1220644793 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Betty.
< 1220644797 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who cares about the link
< 1220644800 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still been done
< 1220644807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, someone says that
< 1220644824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is not JIT really for B98
< 1220644824 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, evidently they are lying to suppress your ideas.
< 1220644827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for 93
< 1220644832 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so?
< 1220644834 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard bit is g and p.
< 1220644836 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the directions
< 1220644841 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both 93 and 98 have that
< 1220644850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, betty only handles cardinal directions
< 1220644853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not flying ips
< 1220644859 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? it's not a hard extension
< 1220644871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in befunge 98 you can set delta to, say, 5,3 or whatever
< 1220644923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and?
< 1220644957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well pre-compiling lines may not be that useful then
< 1220644972 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pre-compile instructions
< 1220644975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, anyway the real challenge would be actually compiling it
< 1220644983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really.
< 1220644993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just compile the instruction and a switch based on the direction
< 1220644994 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much
< 1220644995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, to self modifying asm I guess
< 1220645001 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220645011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and if the instruction changes? using p
< 1220645017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you need to self modify it
< 1220645021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then recompile it and mov it into place
< 1220645025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :betty did this, obviously
< 1220645028 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since its the only way
< 1220645040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it could use some JIT framework to do it...
< 1220645046 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so?
< 1220645049 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same code
< 1220645054 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pre-written
< 1220645103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it should be possible to make some patological thing like <bytes for longest instruction><jump handler>, to actually use a 25*80*sizeof(celloverhead)
< 1220645175 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what we *really* need is some novel languages :-p
< 1220645178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would basically be place for longest instructions (fill rest with nops) + a direction handler
< 1220645190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, like ais523's Feather?
< 1220645206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems rather cool
< 1220645217 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any linkage?
< 1220645223 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that one
< 1220645228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, considering the *grammar* is self modifiable using time jumps
< 1220645236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can rewrite it to be a different language
< 1220645247 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisptastic :-)
< 1220645250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would cause a time jump and reinterpreting the whole thing iirc
< 1220645282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, well no links, since ais523 have been unable to write up specs or implementation so far
< 1220645289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't yet manage to figure out all the details
< 1220645302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw he is the C-INTERCAL maintainer so I'm sure he will manage it :P
< 1220645306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooner or later
< 1220645327 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good credentials then :-)
< 1220645371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, the fact that it involve time jumps make it extra interesting
< 1220645393 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewinding the execution timeline and so on?
< 1220645400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well more than that iirc
< 1220645401 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, can it jump forwards in time too?
< 1220645409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever seen TRDS in Befunge-98?
< 1220645415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only two implementations have it
< 1220645426 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got into befunge or brainf***
< 1220645436 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they implement it differently and neither implementer knows who's wrong and about what ;-)
< 1220645441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RC/Funge (author invented it), CCBI (author implemented it and found RC/Funge's one didn't work)
< 1220645452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is complex
< 1220645459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extremely complex
< 1220645467 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since then, RC/Funge fixed its, but differently to CCBI, and now they're different in an unknown way :-P
< 1220645472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is why I won't implement it in cfunge
< 1220645475 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, "complex" keeps us in business ;-)
< 1220645480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah yes forgot that
< 1220645494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, http://www.rcfunge98.com/rcfunge_manual.html#TRDS
< 1220645497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be of interest
< 1220645516 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appears to be a blank page
< 1220645532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, hm.. worked a second ago...
< 1220645532 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o rcfunge98.com is down
< 1220645548 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp, google cache probably has it
< 1220645554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and Deewiant develops ccbi
< 1220645558 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not
< 1220645559 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since nobody seems to have mentioned that :P
< 1220645570 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrelevant :-P
< 1220645586 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dbc is daniel b cristofani, but i think he was here in '06 too
< 1220645599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:gFspwyCbPjkJ:www.elf-emulation.com/funge/rcfunge_manual.html+rc/funge&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2
< 1220645602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1220645639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, lets just hope it doesn't last long now
< 1220645666 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I just got NULL to work in CCBI 2
< 1220645681 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's a good point to stop hacking for today
< 1220645698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you know NULL and ROMA are easy :P
< 1220645716 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1220645726 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the actual work there was writing the fingerprints framework, not NULL :-P
< 1220645737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah yes I can see
< 1220645739 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ccbi2?!
< 1220645744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does ROMA work too?
< 1220645746 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. Deewiant is doing work?
< 1220645756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, his posix_fadvice version ;)
< 1220645756 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: cleanup/rewrite
< 1220645759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1220645768 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: why are you doing work man
< 1220645770 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, only NULL now :-P
< 1220645777 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: why not
< 1220645781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so loading more than one fingerprint doesn't work yet?
< 1220645784 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1220645789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to test overloading
< 1220645792 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, I've just only implemented NULL
< 1220645801 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and figured I'd stop for today
< 1220645805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah well
< 1220645808 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like it'd take long to get ROMA, MODU, etc
< 1220645837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, cathedral style development? Or finally going open bazaar style? ;)
< 1220645841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs
< 1220645890 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ho ho AnMaster
< 1220645891 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be bothered to generate dev snapshots and I'm not sure it makes sense to run a static HTML mercurial repo
< 1220645893 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your cutting wit!
< 1220645912 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since I don't have the option of running a proper mercurial server)
< 1220645916 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every piece of bugging zealotism becomes a joke if you add /me runs after it
< 1220645923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: KILL JEWS
< 1220645923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what about going to, say, darcs?
< 1220645924 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs
< 1220645929 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and since I don't want to run on hgweb or some other site which ain't mine)
< 1220645939 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: say, because darcs sucks :-P
< 1220645949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah good point...
< 1220645958 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some people like it
< 1220645966 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if I looked into it properly I'd like it too
< 1220645970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like some of it's features certainly
< 1220645975 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what
< 1220645976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the cherry picking
< 1220646005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very useful when you want to backport some changes to a stable branch for example
< 1220646023 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a matter of your workflow
< 1220646045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm? I need to back/forward port bugfixes randomly
< 1220646046 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with git, I guess the idea is that you make a new local branch (or what are they called) for each individual change
< 1220646059 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And then-"
< 1220646064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, don't think that will help for that
< 1220646067 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then if you need to pull a change to a stable branch you just pull from the change's branch
< 1220646069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they would have diverged
< 1220646076 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220646084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you would need to pull in other changes from said branch that came from the main branch
< 1220646084 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yup. Topic branches. One branch per change (where change can span multiple commits)...
< 1220646087 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, of course in the cherry-pick case you also have to merge them :-P
< 1220646087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can see
< 1220646113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, where would you branch it from?
< 1220646115 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the advantage of cherry-pick in that case, you need to merge the changes in any case
< 1220646118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trunk?
< 1220646123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or stable?
< 1220646127 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either, I guess
< 1220646128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a bug fix that needs to go into both
< 1220646135 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's smarter to branch from stable in that case
< 1220646136 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nitpiking, merge the branch, pulling branch impiles also fetching it...
< 1220646179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wouldn't merging the changes from that topic branch require any changes missing from the target of the merge, and that came from previous branches
< 1220646180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1220646194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rev 50: branch off stable
< 1220646213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rev 70 (trunk): branch of bug fix branch xxx
< 1220646220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find you need to merge it into stable too
< 1220646233 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: At least git.git itself commits more critical bugfixes to mainintance branch and then merges mainintance branch into development (and then merges development branch into less stable development branch).
< 1220646235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that require merging any changes between 50 and 70? If not
< 1220646243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not then it is cherry picking
< 1220646248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it needs that: useless
< 1220646256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, can you clarify that?
< 1220646282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you didn't know the bug fix was needed for stable
< 1220646284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until later
< 1220646314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe some other developer made it against trunk, and didn't know about stable needed it, he not being a stable maintainer
< 1220646321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yourself being that
< 1220646336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, so tell me how that works out
< 1220646337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220646337 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what about cherry-picking a bugfix change from trunk, how is it different
< 1220646348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> wouldn't that require merging any changes between 50 and 70? If not
< 1220646349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> If not then it is cherry picking
< 1220646349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> if it needs that: useless
< 1220646350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that ^
< 1220646364 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not cherry picking in that case
< 1220646364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is, the version control system should be able to keep track of it
< 1220646379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ?
< 1220646382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean?
< 1220646400 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cherry picking is, take these X changes from branch foo and put them in branch bar
< 1220646417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yep
< 1220646419 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with topic branches, you've just manually put some of the X changes in another branch
< 1220646431 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it's merge from branch baz to bar
< 1220646451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... but merge would require merging any other changes from that branch
< 1220646452 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that's my understanding of it anyway, Ilari might be able to correct if I get something wrong
< 1220646456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said
< 1220646461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> rev 50: branch off stable
< 1220646461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> rev 70 (trunk): branch of bug fix branch xxx
< 1220646463 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and of course, merge does that, just like a normal merge
< 1220646477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so that means changes from *trunk* between 50 and 70
< 1220646490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can skip them, then it is cherry picking
< 1220646501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are part of the feature branch's history
< 1220646559 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if you can skip them, I haven't done much branching myself let alone messing with git enough to know if it has an option for this :-)
< 1220646571 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even if you can, I wouldn't call it cherry picking
< 1220646575 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a subset of cherry picking, maybe
< 1220646590 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you notice that the bugfix is also needed for stable, maybe rebase the bugfix branch?
< 1220646611 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, rebase :-P
< 1220646618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah eww at rebase
< 1220646621 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense though
< 1220646623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why I prefer cherry picking
< 1220646739 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're screwed in that case if you've already published the bugfix branch
< 1220646749 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if that's something you should be doing in any case
< 1220646862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you another developer did it, and you, the maintainer notice it
< 1220646881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the original developer (who doesn't have commit access to the official trunk)
< 1220646887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then well... what?
< 1220646901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "shouldn't be doing" still?
< 1220646931 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like said, I don't know if topic branches should be published
< 1220646970 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, the original developer shouldn't have and thus hasn't done it, thus he can rebase it and it can be applied to stable
< 1220646979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else should a non-core developer, say Mr. Random Programmer using your project who wants to help contribute a fix. And you notice it applies to stable too, which Mr Random Programmer doesn't use
< 1220647001 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he branches your project
< 1220647006 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he makes a topic branch for the change
< 1220647012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes, and don't care about stable
< 1220647016 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he pulls the changes from the topic branch into his main branch
< 1220647024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly would only look at the part I use
< 1220647027 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he pushes or somebody pulls into the devel branch
< 1220647031 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you come along
< 1220647036 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ask him to rebase his topic branch
< 1220647043 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does so
< 1220647051 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pull from his topic branch into the stable branch
< 1220647054 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something.
< 1220647057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum
< 1220647071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think cherrypicking is a cleaner approach
< 1220647080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that doesn't prevent the invariant of commits
< 1220647089 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like said it's a matter of your workflow
< 1220647091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO commits can not be changed once done
< 1220647098 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some sense I think cherrypicking is uglier
< 1220647099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not mutable
< 1220647106 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you don't get any separation of changesets
< 1220647112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rebase implies that your commits are mutable
< 1220647114 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with topic branches, each branch is its own unit
< 1220647127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, topic branches and cherry picking then
< 1220647141 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's fine
< 1220647143 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess
< 1220647146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but making history mutable
< 1220647149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is way way worse
< 1220647162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes against the core principle
< 1220647163 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think making private history mutable is fine
< 1220647175 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, according to the wiki, the 2006 Esolang Contest is *still* going :-D
< 1220647183 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shouldn't amuse me as much as it does
< 1220647276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of that contest
< 1220647286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, for me it isn't.
< 1220647298 0 :vendetta!n=vendetta@78.176.229.1 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220647300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my workflow isn't topic branches really
< 1220647320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not unless they are big changes
< 1220647323 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember it from the last time I was here :-)
< 1220647338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess everyone just forget it?
< 1220647339 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, I think it's a git thing
< 1220647342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: That's because judging has yet to finish. ;p
< 1220647356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the judges hasn't been seen for months.
< 1220647367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did Sukoshi last show up? February?
< 1220647382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I make topic branches when I change major core stuff. Like when I last rewrote the entire funge-space code
< 1220647389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was a few months ago
< 1220647394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to clean up a lot of memleaks
< 1220647401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to change the whole idea behind it
< 1220647408 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if he can make it through until January then it will be a three-year contest, maybe? :-)
< 1220647417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually probably May or even April
< 1220647425 0 :vendetta!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220647476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she.
< 1220647520 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220647562 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he/she/it/they
< 1220647604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi is a she.
< 1220647709 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you implied that already?
< 1220647981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i should make an entry for the competition.
< 1220647984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's time
< 1220648089 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot
< 1220648097 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brainfuck interpreter works
< 1220648108 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to make it into drainfuck
< 1220648108 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: you made that mistake in 2006
< 1220648115 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you discussed the shorthand english
< 1220648116 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with sukoshi
< 1220648119 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sukoshi=razor-x)
< 1220648161 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most IRC clients don't have CTCP GENDER, so I just use "he" as a generic pronoun like normal
< 1220648186 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rarely important in discussions about esoteric programming what the gender of your co-conversationalist is anyway :-P
< 1220648510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, drainfukc?
< 1220648512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck*
< 1220648521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, also have you triest lostking under it?
< 1220648528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if that doesn't work it is probably buggy
< 1220648537 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220648538 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh
< 1220648543 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many cells does it need?
< 1220648560 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the data tape
< 1220648581 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how many commands does it contain
< 1220648612 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: it's 2mb big
< 1220648645 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many command characters does it contain?
< 1220648666 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 megabytes worth
< 1220648678 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how many characters is that
< 1220648714 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wrote it
< 1220648741 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well my echo program worked
< 1220648759 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it uses all the commands
< 1220648791 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ] > < - + , .
< 1220648797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, does it use several levels of nested loops?
< 1220648804 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220648806 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1220648816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that could be buggy
< 1220648817 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...I...get what you mean
< 1220648831 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it doesn't support nested loops yet...
< 1220648843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jonripley.com/i-fiction/games/LostKingdomBF.html
< 1220648849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the link anyway
< 1220648863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, and you say you don't know how much 2 MB's of chars are?
< 1220648870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it doesn't support nested loops, it's not turing complete.
< 1220648875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never coded C I bet
< 1220648881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you did, you would have known
< 1220648887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed
< 1220648892 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You gain +5 Holier Than Thou
< 1220648898 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding-ding-ding-ding! Level up.
< 1220648900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm?
< 1220648911 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most PEBBLE-compiled code wouldn't work in it.
< 1220648916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ?
< 1220648922 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: I think it just *barely* works in the 30,000 cell limit.
< 1220648950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, in fact everything except trivial programs will need nested loops
< 1220648953 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30,000...hmm
< 1220648963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how many memory cells?
< 1220648983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh btw how goes Def-BF?
< 1220649002 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok so I can't do this
< 1220649014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't do what?
< 1220649020 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,024,000 code pieces is too much for my interpreter
< 1220649026 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's only half
< 1220649032 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No work on Def-BF. Busy.
< 1220649033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, well why is that?
< 1220649035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malloc()
< 1220649039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use a static array
< 1220649040 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh
< 1220649057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ok
< 1220649059 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use a static array to ensure that I can always reach a place via pointers
< 1220649065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220649075 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not c pointers
< 1220649081 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean brainfuck
< 1220649091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still make no sense
< 1220649095 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: What language are you writing this in?
< 1220649096 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here...
< 1220649098 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++
< 1220649105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and?
< 1220649107 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can change it easily enough
< 1220649107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1220649111 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways...
< 1220649123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you got to support large programs
< 1220649132 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a system for jumps and absolute pointer-movements
< 1220649139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not hard in C++; just store the large program in a vector...
< 1220649156 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works as an array and I don't want to break that
< 1220649170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, any interpreter or compiler that can't handle lostkingdom is not worth the files it was written in ;)
< 1220649176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, it is the ultimate test
< 1220649187 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my first interpreter
< 1220649190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone have to succeed at it
< 1220649192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so?
< 1220649197 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever
< 1220649201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, my first was in *bash* think of that
< 1220649206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was my first ever
< 1220649208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was slow
< 1220649210 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220649215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but handled lostkingdom
< 1220649228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it took about 5 minutes to *parse* lostkingdom
< 1220649229 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can add support by changing the shorts to longs
< 1220649237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was even using awk to optimise it at string leve
< 1220649238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :level*
< 1220649241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a bytecode
< 1220649247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sitll handled it
< 1220649249 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games:  good for you, now you can design your second: the rewrite of the first :-D
< 1220649256 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220649258 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not done yet
< 1220649262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, um all cells are 8 bits
< 1220649265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wrap
< 1220649270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned chars
< 1220649274 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in mine
< 1220649281 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is signed shorts that don't wrap
< 1220649285 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not defined
< 1220649287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, if the memory cells aren't then it won't run lostking
< 1220649288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unspecified
< 1220649293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fyi
< 1220649304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lostkingdom won't work then
< 1220649306 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can let it wrap
< 1220649309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, make them unsigned chars.
< 1220649315 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No not yet
< 1220649319 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? no
< 1220649320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, why not?
< 1220649330 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is drainfuck
< 1220649333 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not brainfuck
< 1220649336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drainfuck?
< 1220649342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever looked at Def-BF then?
< 1220649345 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my little derived thingy
< 1220649347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be useful for you
< 1220649358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it have pointers
< 1220649360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such
< 1220649363 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has more than just a pointer thinh
< 1220649376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, it Def-BF is meant to be able to write a kernel in
< 1220649384 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1220649387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the high level code got functions
< 1220649391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask pikhq for links to specs
< 1220649394 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooo
< 1220649399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, I wrote a low level implementation
< 1220649404 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my own language
< 1220649404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to handle the pre-processed code
< 1220649405 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real question is why "lostkingdom" relies on unspecified behaviour ;-o
< 1220649410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one ever wrote the high level part yet
< 1220649423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, because everyone does it that way?
< 1220649429 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games:  You should invent a nice new one!  BF clones are ten-a-penny.
< 1220649445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, oh yes there are lots
< 1220649449 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster:  so standardise it :-P
< 1220649449 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah I want something like brainfuck
< 1220649455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: It's unspecified but de-facto behavior.
< 1220649459 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm keeping the standard functions, mostly.
< 1220649471 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm adding a static variable you can access
< 1220649485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, and apart from Def-BF and Boolfuck, they are just really stuff like "map ook to >, eek to >" or whatever (oh that variant is called "Ook!" iirc)
< 1220649503 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, to copy a cell, ^ then move over to the destination cell and V
< 1220649508 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And Dimensifuck?
< 1220649517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, haven't heard of that one I think?
< 1220649523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait is that the several tapes one?
< 1220649523 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one I devised.
< 1220649524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yes
< 1220649533 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the one with several tapes.
< 1220649535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it is one of the actually interesting ones
< 1220649540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code itself is in N dimensions.
< 1220649542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh how does it differ then?
< 1220649558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that's called befunge/trefunge/n-funge :P
< 1220649569 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact lost kingdom won't run on drainfuck because it has to be prepended with drainfuck:: at the start of the source
< 1220649570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is unefunge too
< 1220649577 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@i-179.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220649577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, though it's vaguely inspired by the funges.
< 1220649589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 dimensional "Hello, world!".
< 1220649590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220649595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drainfuck:: <-- huh. why double : ?
< 1220649601 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk
< 1220649609 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just looked cool to me
< 1220649624 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it has to be lowercase
< 1220649631 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the moment, that is
< 1220649635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, well try it with unsigned char to make sure lostkingdom works, so you get all the details like nested loops and so on
< 1220649637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then change it
< 1220649652 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No no, I'm going to stay with this
< 1220649659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, got a link to that?
< 1220649679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, k, so the nested loops probably are broken
< 1220649679 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, the cell count and the maximum value per cell is only one off
< 1220649691 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fix the nested loops
< 1220649694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostkingdom is the best test suite for bf there is
< 1220649702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a final test
< 1220649704 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this isn't brainfuck
< 1220649706 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's drainfuck
< 1220649718 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't follow all of brainfuck's standards
< 1220649719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, doesn't mean the same bugs couldn't show up
< 1220649730 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Dimensifuck
< 1220649752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you should make an opengl based editor with sound effects for it ;)
< 1220649753 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Drainfuck
< 1220649795 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I have E, ^, and V coded, but none of them are tested
< 1220649811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh yes there is one for some semi-funge one btw. BeQunge or something like that, B93 + extra dimensions + not limited to 25x80. And buggy
< 1220649813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very buggy
< 1220649823 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHHAHA
< 1220649824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however not a bad idea
< 1220649826 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah will love this
< 1220649830 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melab is one of the esco crew
< 1220649835 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes and removes all their links again
< 1220649842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, "melab"?
< 1220649854 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: an esowiki user who added tons of unfinished languages and weird categories, etc
< 1220649860 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has now added back all the esco links into pages
< 1220649928 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So lost kingdom uses wrapping?
< 1220649957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, esco, sounds familiar, iirc silly idea + crappy implementation
< 1220649963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, iirc yes
< 1220649966 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit
< 1220649969 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1220649973 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it tries to implement all esoteric languages in one shitty c++ program
< 1220649978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, cell wrapping
< 1220649984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, as in integer overflow
< 1220649986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are unintentionally hilarious
< 1220649992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < and > wrapping
< 1220649992 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say: "Byter is a language for training your brain"
< 1220649994 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's actually
< 1220649994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work
< 1220649997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Byter is a language for training brains"
< 1220649999 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1220650025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, eh....
< 1220650027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh*
< 1220650044 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yea they added links to themselves to every esolang article they support
< 1220650049 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i get to have fun with REMOVING THEM ALL!
< 1220650049 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1220650053 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :already done, actually
< 1220650111 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1220650112 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2 you probably don't mean "next" and "previous".
< 1220650128 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah that's what the interpreter does atm.
< 1220650135 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah :)
< 1220650147 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't thinking about nested stuff
< 1220650175 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now that I think about it...ooops.
< 1220650240 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to check for the other markers and increment a counter if it encounters one of itself, decrementing when it meets an opposite and only when the counter is 0 should it accept an opposite as its own
< 1220650261 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, lost kingdom would probably be shit if I got it to work on drainfuck
< 1220650278 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drainfuck doesn't 'stream' the code right out of the file
< 1220650286 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It parses it into the code tape
< 1220650307 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter uses three tapes: code, data, and inactive
< 1220650308 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"brainfsck" <-- that's just silly
< 1220650321 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the "fsck" joke got old decades ago anyway :-P
< 1220650347 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: most good interps parse
< 1220650351 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X swaps the data and inactive tapes, L copies the data over the inactive
< 1220650391 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So lost kingdom would take 4 megs of ram just for the code
< 1220650402 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee :-)
< 1220650426 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's more than my program allocates
< 1220650465 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my program allocates a short for each positive value in a signed short
< 1220650472 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The matching method you describe is comparatively slow and complicated.
< 1220650482 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could swap sections of tape in and out of memory to tempfiles depending on your current position?  Would probably take a rewrite though.
< 1220650501 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen to me, trying to give advice, don't even know this language :-D
< 1220650526 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the tapes are all classes so I could essentially just give them a save and load command
< 1220650533 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus you could have a save state for the programs
< 1220650544 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they would all be of equal size
< 1220650572 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the memory allocated is always the same assuming an error didn't happen that I didn't catch
< 1220650589 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, arrays are quicker than tapes :)
< 1220650604 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about swapping out *sections* of tape though, to solve your "program's tape too big to have all at once" problem.  Maybe I am talking nonsense, check with an expert :-)
< 1220650614 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220650627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just have a dynamic array...
< 1220650634 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried that
< 1220650637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector<char> is not all that hard to write.
< 1220650637 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decided no
< 1220650675 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they are shorts, not single bytes
< 1220650688 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :signed shorts
< 1220650691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<GreyKnight> "brainfsck" <-- that's just silly
< 1220650692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1220650700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :static code analyser for brainfuck!
< 1220650701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220650710 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1220650724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is obviously what brainfsck would be
< 1220650731 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1220650739 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did you guys here brainfsck
< 1220650742 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just what bf-land needs, more punnery :-P
< 1220650743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't get jokes do you?
< 1220650758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, try #include <humor>
< 1220650759 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why signed?
< 1220650759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220650768 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not?
< 1220650778 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't wrap around anyways
< 1220650781 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, try #include <relaxation> // :-)
< 1220650800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, well I'm not a C++ coder like CO2Games so I leave the .h in :P
< 1220650806 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220650808 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(doesn't wrap why?)
< 1220650811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just trying to talk to CO2Games in a way he knew
< 1220650814 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab-completion strikes again!
< 1220650821 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decided not to do taht
< 1220650845 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C++ it would take extra work to make a short NOT wrap, right?
< 1220650856 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1220650861 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait they wrap already?
< 1220650869 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you have to actually check right before you increment it whether it's at the top of its range, and then make a problem if it is?
< 1220650884 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1220650897 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is it just lands at the top and doesn't bounce off or anything
< 1220650902 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lot of work to achieve a loss of functionality, unless the point of the program is to check whether a brainfuck program uses wrapping.
< 1220650907 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bottom if going the other way
< 1220650918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, I think CO2Games is thinking of wrapping space rather than wrapping numbers
< 1220650921 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't think shorts already wrapped around
< 1220650927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the only sense his comments would make sense
< 1220650936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, wrapping *signed* numbers is undefined
< 1220650937 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1220650947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrapping unsigned numbers happen automatically
< 1220650954 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit
< 1220650959 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster nah...because that wouldn't have anything to do with signed vs unsigned.
< 1220650963 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that solves it all
< 1220650963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you overflow a unsigned number it will wrap of course
< 1220650976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you overflow a signed one... anything could happen
< 1220650979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, ?
< 1220650988 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k I guess I will do this
< 1220650999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example you could hit a trap representation
< 1220651001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's mostly because the representation of signed numbers is undefined; 2's complement will, of course, wrap a bit differently from sign bit.
< 1220651024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, um ever heard of trap representation?
< 1220651029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1220651032 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a computer in common use where overflowing or underflowing a signed number does something other than wrap (and set an overflow flag for other things to look at and react to as they like)?
< 1220651046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, a certain value may be reserved for "can't be used"
< 1220651075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, normally 0x8..... (that is all the rest are zeros) for int iirc
< 1220651076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be
< 1220651081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think x86 sets an overflow flag. (correct me if I'm wrong)
< 1220651085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then program would fail
< 1220651097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, x86 doesn't have a trap representation
< 1220651108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does any *common* platforms as far as I know
< 1220651108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overflow flag, not trap representation.
< 1220651122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and yes it sets a carry flag iirc
< 1220651131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't reach that from inside C
< 1220651135 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | >.<
< 1220651142 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq yeah, that's what I thought.
< 1220651148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless one uses inline assembly. :p
< 1220651155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, which isn't C
< 1220651159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an extension
< 1220651162 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, yeah, yeah.
< 1220651164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm() isn't valid in ISO C
< 1220651171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ANSI if you are american
< 1220651172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1220651173 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the moral of the story is "don't let signeds overflow" :-)
< 1220651182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, you got it
< 1220651184 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's like really bad"
< 1220651187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never trust NULL to be 0
< 1220651188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1220651208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, potentially really bad, but mostly it works on normal computers
< 1220651213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially not if you have to write code on something I may have designed.
< 1220651215 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster:  I literally just got through fixing a bunch of someone else's code of that exact problem
< 1220651221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes you invoke undefined behaviour if you let signed overflow
< 1220651224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is correct
< 1220651232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been really tempted to use 0x0 for the syscall gate in a kernel
< 1220651242 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220651276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I was rather thinking for that C -> Lisp CPU compiler
< 1220651281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that existed I heard
< 1220651294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, Symbolics Lisp computers or something like that
< 1220651300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their NULL wasn't 0
< 1220651309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and their signed had bad issues when overflowing
< 1220651317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure about that
< 1220651338 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. In this "Drainfuck" there doesn't appear to be any need for negative numbers unless it's to address cells below cell 0, which I'm guessing don't exist...they haven't been mentioned, anyway.
< 1220651373 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And therefore there's no obvious benefit to using signed cells.
< 1220651386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine
< 1220651440 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wo
< 1220651441 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w
< 1220651445 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first compile worked
< 1220651451 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's testing time
< 1220651548 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :65536 cells per tape now
< 1220651562 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good number.
< 1220651571 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1220651581 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's the maximum a short can point to?
< 1220651612 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of the series 0, 1, 2, 4, 16, 65536...
< 1220651628 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi dbc
< 1220651636 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are my favorite numbers.
< 1220651640 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho.
< 1220651664 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :65536 is a pretty bitchin' number
< 1220651665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta agree there
< 1220651686 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one after that is too long to memorize)
< 1220651745 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the one after THAT is too long to store anywhere)
< 1220651849 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 2048 4096 8192 16384 32768 65536
< 1220651861 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tah dah
< 1220651871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 5 5 7 7 3 8 23 98 124 8 8 345 2 2 947
< 1220651884 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er?
< 1220651893 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1220651910 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now my long series of numbers simplified
< 1220651911 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it Random Integer Sequence Day already?
< 1220651923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<dbc> (and the one after THAT is too long to store anywhere)
< 1220651924 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't got a hat or anything!
< 1220651925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1220651931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, you mean 2^64?
< 1220651934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1220651938 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1220651953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, what series then?
< 1220651978 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(n)=2^(f(n-1)).
< 1220651984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220652001 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also known as "the powers of two"
< 1220652001 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220652005 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 5 5 7 7 3 8 23 98 124 8 8 345 2 2 947
< 1220652005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220652007 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1220652010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was trying to work it out
< 1220652013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no
< 1220652014 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking touchpad.
< 1220652035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, some hyper operator?
< 1220652039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait no
< 1220652061 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 10 100 1000 10000 100000 1000000 10000000 100000000 1000000000 10000000000 100000000000 1000000000000
< 1220652089 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10000000000000
< 1220652095 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100000000000000
< 1220652100 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh I'm lost
< 1220652105 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many zeros
< 1220652111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, you mean: f(1) -> 1; f(N) -> math:pow(2,f(N-1)).
< 1220652113 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain segfaults*
< 1220652113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in erlang)
< 1220652159 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but start with f(0) -> 0 instead.
< 1220652173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 5 5 7 7 3 8 23 98 124 8 8 345 2 2 947
< 1220652177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220652179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again
< 1220652180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, ah
< 1220652183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, you know erlang btw?
< 1220652191 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't.
< 1220652250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4> X = fun(0) -> 0; (N) -> math:pow(2,f(N-1)) end.
< 1220652250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#Fun<erl_eval.6.13229925>
< 1220652252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an erlang shell
< 1220652260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :special syntax needed there
< 1220652276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"anonymous" function
< 1220652291 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOO
< 1220652295 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My tape is broken
< 1220652298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that won't work
< 1220652300 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The constructor doesn't work
< 1220652306 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figured. fun vs f.
< 1220652325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, need to ask in #erlang now
< 1220652380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, the normal syntax would work in a compiled erlang module htough
< 1220652382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though*
< 1220652440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ttyerl> Y = fun(0, X) -> 0; (N, X) -> X(N-1) end.
< 1220652443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe of course
< 1220652488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11> X = fun(0, Y) -> 0; (N, Y) -> math:pow(2, Y(N-1, Y)) end.
< 1220652489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works
< 1220652500 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: the typical life of a program of this sort is that eventually the author rewrites it from scratch at some point. ;-)  It is actually a good thing because, having written one once, he has now figured out how to do it even better!
< 1220652529 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220652560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, unless he or she wrote it in a functional language, in a modular way, and with good design
< 1220652567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he or she should easily fix it
< 1220652576 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no
< 1220652579 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always throw one away.
< 1220652580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes
< 1220652584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, depends
< 1220652585 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in functional languages
< 1220652589 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a basic principle of software design
< 1220652601 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write one knowing that you will throw it away, then throw it away and write another
< 1220652603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well yes, you throw the first interpreter away
< 1220652612 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you get bloated, overengineered programs
< 1220652613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I threw away bashfunge really
< 1220652615 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually, in any language, you can often get some improvements.  Great modularity means you can throw bits of it away at a time, is all ;-)
< 1220652617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wrote cfunge instead
< 1220652618 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that AnMaster would know anything about *those*...
< 1220652626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I already done it that way :)
< 1220652636 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been trying to think what's the best way to match brackets in self-modifying variants of brainfuck. It can be done for constant cost added to increment and decrement (for the code "tape")...
< 1220652637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, indeed
< 1220652645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I replaced large parts of cfunge several times
< 1220652647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, writing a program with a kafka book as guidance would be lulzy
< 1220652652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is coded in modular C
< 1220652662 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, in order to learn how to *do* good design in the first place usually involves a lot of throwing away on prior projects)
< 1220652755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, only issue with that erlang code uses math:pow which returns floating point values
< 1220652760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can't compute the next value
< 1220652768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal erlang numbers are bignums
< 1220652771 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1220652778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for integers it would work
< 1220652788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't feel like writing my own pow
< 1220652825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, actually math:pow/1 to be specific above ;)
< 1220652848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh yes, erlang got strange notation for referring to functions, it is name/<count of parameters>)
< 1220652852 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used gnu bignum library to get the next number a long time ago, so I don't need such a program myself)
< 1220652862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if parameter count differs then it is different functions)
< 1220652897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION calls q(). in the shell
< 1220652915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(alias for init:stop/1)
< 1220652933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no
< 1220652935 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220652938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :init:stop/0 actually
< 1220652943 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220652946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop/1 is different one
< 1220652969 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2, how do you modify the code tape anyway? Or do you?
< 1220652970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, there?
< 1220652986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I got a question about conforming funges in exceptional circumstances!
< 1220653024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, for example, what if the programming language the funge is written in *can't* return a specific exit code to the shell. Or if the language will always print the return value of the function before exiting?
< 1220653047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does that prevent implementing Befunge-98 in such a language? or does it count as a special circumstance
< 1220653060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all it is actually the shell of the interpreter of the interpreter that prints it out
< 1220653067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the befunge interpreter itself
< 1220653073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is really not a part of it
< 1220653083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a part of the shell (erlang shell or whatever) it runs in
< 1220653132 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not so strange: Prolog uses "predicate/arity" notation too.
< 1220653152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway what do you think about the return value and stuff issue?
< 1220653169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the befunge interpreter won't run from command line either
< 1220653174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will need something like:
< 1220653181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ erl
< 1220653185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang (BEAM) emulator version 5.6.3 [source] [64-bit] [async-threads:0] [hipe] [kernel-poll:false]
< 1220653186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eshell V5.6.3  (abort with ^G)
< 1220653186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1>
< 1220653200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then enter efunge:run("path/to/program.b98").
< 1220653201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p554424121.txt
< 1220653210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm?
< 1220653214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been really following all this, only just arrived back here.
< 1220653227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, question was just about 5 lines above
< 1220653244 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there.
< 1220653247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-5 lines before your comment
< 1220653283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, wow
< 1220653295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and the next step?
< 1220653297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1220653304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, anyway you can't call that on 7
< 1220653320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so xrange 10...
< 1220653340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that means {0..10}
< 1220653408 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I wouldn't really care about the "q" exit code missing if there's a reasonable reason.
< 1220653421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what?
< 1220653440 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"zzzzz"
< 1220653451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xrange(10)=[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9], yes
< 1220653486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well it wouldn't be missing. since everything has a return value in erlang, and the shell prints that out when the function returns
< 1220653489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would look like:
< 1220653549 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's certainly good enough.
< 1220653557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220653560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait
< 1220653562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit a bug
< 1220653569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a befunge93 version here
< 1220653581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd bug
< 1220653636 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night
< 1220653639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220653643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't like ~ in paths
< 1220653644 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, really, I got the point; if your interpreter is a function under some sort of "eval"-type situation, I think you can and should substitute the "exit code" of the spec with "return value".
< 1220653651 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1220653661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, http://rafb.net/p/NJr9IR26.html
< 1220653670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the code is compiled, to bytecode
< 1220653678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is then run under the erlang vm
< 1220653688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I figured out how to do FPDP here
< 1220653692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is really nifty
< 1220653695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to hear?
< 1220653703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do the union style trick
< 1220653703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1220653718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make the stack, a list, contain other stuff than integers
< 1220653725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you make a tuple:
< 1220653732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{float, <value>}
< 1220653762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if your normal routines pop that, then you just let to code see some dummy value
< 1220653773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from of course keeping track of the metadata still
< 1220653779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is handled if pushed back
< 1220653786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, think that would work? :D
< 1220653850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I plan to make it befunge 98 and then implement MVRS
< 1220653857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I get some time
< 1220653865 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a non-homogenous container like a list that can store anything, sure, I don't see why you couldn't stick type-tagged tuples in there for the uncommon case.
< 1220653891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes, just need to handle it gracefully if the befunge program tries to do something strange with it
< 1220653900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, say, add an integer
< 1220653909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does FPDP even define what happens then?
< 1220653913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nop
< 1220653919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shouldn't crash at least
< 1220653924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will probably make it reflect
< 1220653932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, one issue though
< 1220653963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang doesn't have single/double
< 1220653968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just have floating point
< 1220654011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got no idea what type of float
< 1220654020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could even be long double
< 1220654055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway this befunge-93 is already turing complete, it got bignums
< 1220654058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220654072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh however input is weird
< 1220654074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work well
< 1220654082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google says Erlang uses IEEE 754 64-bit floats, i.e. doubles.
< 1220654083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows [] as a prompt all the time
< 1220654166 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a piece of Perl for writing MATLAB's binary ".mat" file format which stores the desired MATLAB type of the value by "bless"ing (Perl's curious class system here) it to a class name indicating the type.
< 1220654189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huhu
< 1220654231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were inclined to write a Perl-based Funge thing, which I don't, I guess I would do FPDP and friends by sticking in the stack a reference to a scalar blessed to Funge98::Float or something. It would be appropriately perverse.
< 1220654293 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220654438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hehe
< 1220654578 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, http://eso-std.org/ has been all improved (note to people seeing it the first time: not the design that will be used for ESO's site but just for my personal blog)
< 1220654581 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of little tweaks
< 1220654659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, even worse in ff2 now
< 1220654668 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: screenshot? :P
< 1220654671 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally.. is FPDP usally done by using two consecutive stack cells or something? I think I've seen talk like that here, although I haven't really been reading very carefully. If so, does it actually say so anywhere in the spec? Is there any spec other than the RC/Funge manual?
< 1220654689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, sure, once I recover from the brain damage
< 1220654692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of seeing it
< 1220654703 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain damage causing site
< 1220654703 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1220654733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, firefox crashed
< 1220654735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a bit
< 1220654738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just buggy
< 1220654745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox I mean
< 1220654745 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: firefox 3 doesn't crash
< 1220654746 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220654752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, not on the site
< 1220654760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, just by having 3 lines of tabs in general
< 1220654773 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psht i have like 300 tabs open at once
< 1220654858 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1220654893 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At work approximately every ~100th time I try to plot something -- especially if it's a "pcolor" style spectrogram plot -- it goes and kills my X server. It is very very very very annoying, and I haven't really figured out a really good workaround for it.
< 1220654912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The previous sentence was supposed to have the word MATLAB in there somewhere.
< 1220654917 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure where.
< 1220654925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, MATLAB's the "it" there.
< 1220654928 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://browsershots.org/screenshots/0269e9f697ee09b438699e1bb2ed4501/
< 1220654930 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _is_ bad
< 1220654933 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but totally not my fault
< 1220654934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220654944 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the same "elements it don't know can't be styled"
< 1220654964 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't usually use FF3 for plotting.)
< 1220655033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, http://omploader.org/vcTJ2
< 1220655043 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1220655048 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gimme a sec
< 1220655056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well, just consider that design bad
< 1220655065 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, just consider that browser broken
< 1220655071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, compatiblity
< 1220655072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1220655077 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that.
< 1220655083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people I know use firefox 3 and IE 7
< 1220655089 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really give a shit about anything els
< 1220655090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1220655105 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my code is totally valid & 100% semantic
< 1220655110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that attitude, no more testing from me
< 1220655113 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works in the two browsers that will actually visit my blog
< 1220655117 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the end ofi t
< 1220655137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i didn't actually needed your testing
< 1220655142 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you were nearby so i told you to
< 1220655147 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could have asked someone else
< 1220655282 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, yay, all i need now is tusho.net
< 1220655316 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Valid and valid; the doctype doesn't even say what sort of HTML it is.
< 1220655394 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: html 5.
< 1220655399 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently a draft.
< 1220655404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://validator.nu/ is an html 5 validator
< 1220655417 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and <!DOCTYPE html> is the actual html 5 doctype
< 1220655441 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220655445 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not actually valid html5
< 1220655446 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme fix that
< 1220655643 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Feso-std.org%2F
< 1220655644 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done
< 1220655895 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason that whole "doctype is just trickery to trigger a rendering mode in browsers" thing makes me feel vaguely uneasy. I do understand the rationale, it's just an emotional thing.
< 1220655908 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: html 5 is pragmatic
< 1220655923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doctypes today ARE just for triggering rendering modes, and remembering them is hell anyway
< 1220655940 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the html 5 guys discovered a doctype that makes stuff go into standards mode and has no version and is easy to remember
< 1220655943 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<!DOCTYPE html>, voila.
< 1220656004 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did say I understood the rationale.
< 1220656035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think <!DOCTYPE html 5> or so would have been saner
< 1220656041 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no
< 1220656044 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's not a valid doctype
< 1220656045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm just being contradictionary for no reason; I like the Perl pragmatism, but for some reason I don't like it in HTML.
< 1220656047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, true
< 1220656050 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, versioning is dead
< 1220656056 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for html
< 1220656066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what will happen to xthml in the future
< 1220656069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it won't die
< 1220656074 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: HTML 5 can be expressed as XML
< 1220656076 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is called XHTML 5
< 1220656082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, that was not my question
< 1220656097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xhtml 1.1 xhtml 2.0 maybe
< 1220656099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1220656117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ?
< 1220656121 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1220656127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about them?
< 1220656139 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: xhtml 2.0 will probably be finalized in 10 years and a grand total of 3 people will use it
< 1220656149 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xhtml 1.1 will continue to be used by a fringe
< 1220656151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, [citation needed]
< 1220656162 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: xhtml 2.0 has absolutely no steam behind it
< 1220656170 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is losing pace compared to a snail
< 1220656173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ok. xhtml 1.1 still does
< 1220656177 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not much.
< 1220656183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was the [citation needed]
< 1220656186 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fringe of geeks use it ... that's it
< 1220656195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, [citation needed]
< 1220656198 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you go out and find me some xhtml 1.1 websites
< 1220656199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll wait here
< 1220656222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/cfunge/
< 1220656223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/ :p
< 1220656226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the first one
< 1220656231 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ok, that's one, and it's fringe
< 1220656238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nerd's site for an esoteric language interpreter
< 1220656240 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not a fridge!"
< 1220656253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nerd's tiny site with fringe info.
< 1220656287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what about xhtml 1.0 then?
< 1220656301 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's used pretty widely and will probably continue to
< 1220656313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prediction: html 5 will slowly, but steadily gain steam
< 1220656317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/
< 1220656318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAH!
< 1220656319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1220656325 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: zomg!11121212
< 1220656326 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1220656327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is xhtml 1.1 itself
< 1220656344 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, xhtml 1.1 isn't really very exciting and i doubt it'll see a huge influx of sites
< 1220656345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main w3.org is xhtml 1.0
< 1220656351 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but html 5 is getting quite the buzz out there
< 1220656364 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously growth will be sloooooow but i don't think it'll stop for a while
< 1220656365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, between the geeks yeah
< 1220656373 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: geeks are the ones who make webpages
< 1220656380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, fringe
< 1220656381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.net/ is also XHTML 1.1, and it's at least popular, even if it's a "nerd" site.
< 1220656382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1220656394 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen xhtml 1.1 on a site targeted at non-geeks, though.
< 1220656404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, html5 is so neardy
< 1220656419 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're misinterpreting my point and turning it around so you look like an idiot again
< 1220656420 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fyi
< 1220656428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, show me *one* single site using html5, apart from your own and one that is actually advocating html5
< 1220656433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so blog about html5 doesn't count
< 1220656446 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://intertwingly.net/, http://diveintomark.org/
< 1220656453 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course all of them are nerd sites now
< 1220656468 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the more it's specified and talked about, the more it's supported, the more non-geek sites will switch over
< 1220656493 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intertwingly.net is XHTML 5
< 1220656494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw
< 1220656582 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: I intend to add code-tape modification commands
< 1220656602 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I can't get my thingy to work now
< 1220656699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, all lighttpd's auto generated directory indexes are XHTML 1.1
< 1220656709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that means a lot of sites probably
< 1220656712 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that hardly counts as a site ;)
< 1220656721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, counts once for every site :P
< 1220656730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, waht does apache use?
< 1220656735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess xhtml 1.0
< 1220656737 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220656739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know
< 1220656740 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doctype-less
< 1220656744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not html 5 anyway
< 1220656744 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and <UPPERCASE TAGS>
< 1220656745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, eww
< 1220656749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just eww
< 1220656758 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that code probably hasn't been touched since 1995
< 1220656764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I hope html 5 forbids uppercase tags!
< 1220656769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220656775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that is eww
< 1220656777 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowercase*
< 1220656786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lower case tags are better
< 1220656790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop trying to troll CO2Games
< 1220656791 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it be forbidden anyways
< 1220656852 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reguardless, I can't get my interpreter to work
< 1220656878 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drainfuck::>+[++++++++++>,----------]<[<]>>[.>]E
< 1220656903 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets lost after the first loop ends
< 1220656914 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both with and without nested loop support
< 1220656929 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it wasn't the addition of the nested loop support that broke it
< 1220657316 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.cpan.org is XHTML 1.1 and it's also sort-of for non-"geeks", since it's pretty much targeted to all Perl programmers. I'm having trouble thinking of "non-geek" sites given that the places I visit...
< 1220657608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, same
< 1220657953 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it served application/xml+xhtml
< 1220657957 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, it's not xhtml 1.1
< 1220657964 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it specifically disallows sending it as text/html
< 1220658165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220658180 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-152-136-31.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220658190 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Could I have a citation on that? The XHTML 1.1 spec I have says "XHTML 1.1 documents SHOULD be labeled with -- application/xhtml+xml"
< 1220658202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's somewhere in the spec
< 1220658243 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it can be, if they already say SHOULD there.
< 1220658254 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in some appendix of the xhtml 1.0 spec, then
< 1220658258 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it definitely is somewhere
< 1220658267 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the XHTML 1.1 spec.
< 1220658288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yo
< 1220658288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/#summary
< 1220658292 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOULD NOT
< 1220658314 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it is valid, browsers treat it as invalid html 4
< 1220658315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml
< 1220658335 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOULD NOT does not equal "specifically disallows".
< 1220658382 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, cpan.org has their doctype public ID wrong, I think.
< 1220658424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good you beat tusho
< 1220658434 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because it's a fucking war
< 1220658440 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ you are so childish, everything is about beating or winning
< 1220658449 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm having what is referred to as a DISCUSSION
< 1220658451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hope you learn the difference between should and must in standards from now on
< 1220658467 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: go fuck yourself, i misremembered the standard, so fucking what
< 1220658467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and I'm just adapting to your style
< 1220658470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :childish I mean
< 1220658475 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're just trolling actually
< 1220658493 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"adapting to someone's supposed style to irritate them" = "trolling"
< 1220658510 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how to ask my Firefox "what do you think about this page?", but at least page info says "Render Mode: Standards compliance mode". I'm a bit disappointed that it doesn't say what standards those are.
< 1220658511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I mean adapt as in do the same as you do
< 1220658512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220658519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoped you would feel a home
< 1220658521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at*
< 1220658527 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: see, that is plainly trolling
< 1220658538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, how so?
< 1220658540 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aww! I'm doing the same thing you do! Doesn't it piss you off? Haha!"
< 1220658553 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. you are not doing what i do, you are exaggerating what you think I do
< 1220658554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, iirc "When in Rome do like the Romans" is an English proverb?
< 1220658556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1220658565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and also a bullshit one
< 1220658572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I disagree
< 1220658595 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're just trying to piss me off by acting like an exaggerated version of what you see me as, which is completely unrelated to how i am
< 1220658601 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty much the definition of trolling.
< 1220658606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adapting to the local culture is better than trying some imperialist style and imposing on other
< 1220658615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the English did with their colonies
< 1220658616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly
< 1220658624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that is unrelated to modern time
< 1220658656 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're portraying yourself as some wonderful person who adapts to people to fit in
< 1220658666 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just acting annoying to piss me off, and don't try and fucking sugar-coat it
< 1220658723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I'd say it was rather successful if your interpretation was correct. and sadly rather a failure if you respect the truth that I just said about it
< 1220658738 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes it has pissed me off. congratu-fucking-lations, you are able to piss people off.
< 1220658740 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a wonderful powre.
< 1220658742 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*power
< 1220658745 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pissing people off is _easy_.
< 1220658746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably non-idiomatic)
< 1220658768 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: now you may _NEVER_ accuse me of being a troll again, lest I accuse you of being an utter hypocrite
< 1220658778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ooh a super power? Captain piss off? The piss-off man?
< 1220658780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1220658782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope that it was worth giving that up, since you seem to do it very often.
< 1220658798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, of course I am a hypocrite, like you are
< 1220658820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and you still troll more than I do
< 1220658824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was a joke
< 1220658826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not trolling
< 1220658840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just shut the fuck up. you're being immature, trolling, being hypocritical, and shouting random accusations without bias. i am going now, i dearly hope you are less of an idiot/asshole in the morning
< 1220658841 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1220658869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhehe
< 1220662579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220662595 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-152-136-31.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220664549 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220671243 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220672735 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | so the bot is still around I see
< 1220672863 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220672887 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh!
< 1220672896 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wrong channel
< 1220673768 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay my parser works again
< 1220673798 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now with nested loops!
< 1220673824 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone got a test program with nested loops for me?
< 1220674518 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind then
< 1220680865 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1220685452 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Jesus loves you"
< 1220685602 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1220687999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1220689707 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220691234 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@m-18.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220694130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, efunge now handles input correctly, buffered like cfunge and ccbi
< 1220694146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :efunge is still just befunge93, but :)
< 1220694335 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | i guess there doesn't have to be a reason
< 1220694411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, there?
< 1220694425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycouser.b98 only *almost* work in befunge-93
< 1220694430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one cosmetic bug
< 1220694435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"UNDEF: STRN fingerprint not loaded, wo<n't check I."
< 1220694444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prints a < extra in befunge-93
< 1220694468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I verified it was related to 93 vs. 98 spaces by using cfunge
< 1220694746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: a nested bf program or what?
< 1220694807 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: might not be able to do anything about that without moving that stuff out of befunge-93 :-/
< 1220694820 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that particular < being a pain
< 1220694835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah ok...
< 1220694864 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220694869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi KingOfKarlsruhe
< 1220694870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1220694873 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. I can make it work in either -93 or -98 but not both
< 1220694883 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol
< 1220694911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw if I make efunge 98 at any point the only part I will keep of current code will be the stack code, because the stack code is beautiful
< 1220694970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh and I figured out how to do FPDP, I can't do a union hack, so I thought, why not push a tuple like {float, <data>} on the stack, then handle tagged tuples like that specially elsewhere
< 1220694994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if normal + ever tries to use it I could push a 0 or whatever
< 1220694999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what I mean?
< 1220695010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even reflect
< 1220695015 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to ask Mike whether that's valid
< 1220695028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the specs doesn't say it isn't
< 1220695061 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the specs don't say squat anyway
< 1220695065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also the erlang shell will always print the return value of the program, so that will be the exit code
< 1220695074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will not be possible to run directly from shell I think
< 1220695081 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think referring to Mike's specs is always a mistake since they're so vague that they allow most anything anyway :-P
< 1220695104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well either that way or skip implementing FPDP at all
< 1220695110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPSP will be impossible
< 1220695116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since erlang doesn't have single
< 1220695134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it have integer bignum or double
< 1220695139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all for numbers
< 1220695169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I guess you could mess around with <<>> binaries and bit packing...
< 1220695177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not for float though
< 1220695316 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm, I suppose you have a -93 interpreter around: can you change the last char in line 13 in mycouser.b98 from a space to X and add a $ near the right edge of line 2 and see if that works in -93
< 1220695338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sec
< 1220695373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, where on line 2?
< 1220695380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before the v$ ?
< 1220695383 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the right edge, where there are many $s anyway
< 1220695391 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just add a third after the two that are there
< 1220695400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sec
< 1220695438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, worked
< 1220695443 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1220695884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://rafb.net/p/7VdQNs57.html
< 1220695893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see why normal rules about exit code can't apply
< 1220695899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes 0 is the return value
< 1220695905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...
< 1220695913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the erlang shell always print it
< 1220695931 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you can't do it then you can't do it
< 1220695933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and q(). was me exiting the erlang vm
< 1220695942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so can it still be valid Befunge-98?
< 1220695949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I took it that far
< 1220695956 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how strictly you want to read the standard
< 1220696002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does it say OS return code? If you could interpret it as return code to the interpreters environment that environment could mean the erlang shell
< 1220696003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220696008 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want, you can read "the operating system" as "the host system" and it becomes your interpreter
< 1220696013 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, exactly
< 1220696030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you read it that way?
< 1220696040 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care
< 1220696063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you updated your mycology results page at some point I mean ;P
< 1220696115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if I would make this befunge-98 I would rewrite everything but the stack code from scratch
< 1220696119 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were you I'd just put it in a readme or somewhere that because of the way Erlang works, can't return to the OS, return it as result of function call (or whatever that is) instead
< 1220696191 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd say "as close to 100% compliant as is possible in Erlang" or whatever
< 1220696208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it can do free standing programs... but: 1) it is messier 2) I plan to use this integrated into other software + mix this up to implement async style MVRS. It would not be a free standing program but a distributed befunge node network ;)
< 1220696219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I guess I could try to write a wrapper
< 1220696226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still think that will print the return value though
< 1220696227 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then I'd say "100% compliant but the OS is not the host OS, it's the Erlang OS"
< 1220696248 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, whatever. It's not important :-P
< 1220696253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I haven't got command line parameter parsing to work at all
< 1220696260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to figure that out
< 1220696268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220696333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm also considering the possibility to have weird fingerprints like: W^X. that is memory protection on cell regions in befunge
< 1220696346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can mark code as write protected or no-execute or such
< 1220696353 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220696356 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feral much? ;-)
< 1220696358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because it would be so weird to do that in befunge
< 1220696361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, a lot :)
< 1220696377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cfunge really have problems with feral fingerprints, really bad problems
< 1220696383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to add stuff to code
< 1220696397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with efunge I think a lot of stuff that would be feral in cfunge would actually be rather tame
< 1220696425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example adding per-ip data? Just use a dict
< 1220696442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type-tagged values on stack too
< 1220696456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, basically the initial design will allow much more feral stuff
< 1220696460 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly, feralness is dependent on many things which is why I think it's a stupid concept
< 1220696463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still... *NO* TRDS
< 1220696468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never
< 1220696469 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REFC is feral in a purely functional language because global state is ferla
< 1220696471 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/la/al/
< 1220696476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, TRDS is always feral
< 1220696482 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably yes
< 1220696505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is relative except the feralness(sp?) of TRDS ;P
< 1220696512 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only ones we can really call feral thus far are TRDS and MVRS, the rest are relative :-P
< 1220696538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MVRS would be highly feral too, but efunge will be designed to support that from the beginning
< 1220696562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the only current code I will keep is the stack code which actually came out clean, working and near perfect the first time
< 1220696569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the other efunge code is kind of messy
< 1220696591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to look deeper into the design though before
< 1220696616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example k will be painful I think
< 1220696694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, will you implement MVRS in ccbi?
< 1220696705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if yes: will mycology test it?
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< 1220697350 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, probably
< 1220697488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220697785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOO
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< 1220698946 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1220698950 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1220699279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I got a TRDS question
< 1220699284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have time?
< 1220699292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh (no pun intended)
< 1220699296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the issue is:
< 1220699315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* assume one ip (no t ever)
< 1220699328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. ip run to 200
< 1220699341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. the ip jumps back to 100
< 1220699349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. the ip does some changes
< 1220699358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. the ip jumps forward to 200 again.
< 1220699362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will that work?
< 1220699363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because:
< 1220699369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Time travel into the future is not quite so punishing. The ip that time travels will merely be frozen until time catches up with it, at which point it will continue to execute."
< 1220699384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that indicates that this would cause a lockup that can't be fixed
< 1220699391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does the original ip still continue to run?
< 1220699456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it killed the old copy of itself at 3?
< 1220699462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ?
< 1220699830 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzzzzzermelo
< 1220700138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: zermellllllo
< 1220700477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if he insisted on his friends calling him "sir mellow"
< 1220700638 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The way I see it, yes, the original IP continues to run. And if the original was killed, the jump to future just creates gap in time where nothing happens (but which can be jumped to)...
< 1220700717 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220700833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: since he spoke german not english, i doubt it
< 1220700922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to ruin my life there
< 1220700960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can probably do something with "Herr" instead
< 1220701010 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since z = ts in german, it's not really a worse fit
< 1220701033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also in italian, where his name is probably from)
< 1220701097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your head is full of lies!
< 1220701136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to buddhism, all words are lies
< 1220701172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a buddhist?
< 1220701196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly
< 1220701213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't hold much with that nirvana theory
< 1220701310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a few people who call themselves buddhists, with the exception that they don't actually believe in anything
< 1220701358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that's not me.  i believe in something.  i'm just not sure what it is.
< 1220701365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220701388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i meant they only believe in their own senses, and in science where it seems appropriate
< 1220701415 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... How do TRDS and IIPC interact? :-) In practicular, IIPC:L looks bit problematic with time-travel...
< 1220701424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was iipc again?
< 1220701446 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Inter Instruction Pointer Communication.
< 1220701448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall that buddhism says you _shouldn't_ believe your own senses.  or thoughts.
< 1220701473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too much, at any rate.
< 1220701478 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: L is stack peek (for another IP).
< 1220701547 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that makes no sense.
< 1220701580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess you could believe in your own senses just enough to realize you shouldn't
< 1220701601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is pretty scientifically established that senses are not entirely reliable
< 1220701605 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't really know anything about buddhism, and don't really want to
< 1220701610 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the question really is: Which copy should be poked?
< 1220701635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are reliable in the sense that you sense what you sense.
< 1220701658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't really matter whether it's the real world or a mirage
< 1220701701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sure that all this discussion is really prejudiced compared to some deep, buddhist philosophical writing which neither of us have heard about
< 1220701705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, that when you see something, you believe you experience seeing it.
< 1220701724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220701783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that may be, but i'm sure whoever wrote that's mother.
< 1220701795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er what
< 1220701801 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whoever wrote that)'s mother
< 1220701813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a genetive
< 1220701833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, buddhist probably don't agree more than anyone else on details
< 1220701837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*buddhists
< 1220701865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I would call myself an agnostic with a hint of Buddhism, a lot of Buddhism makes sense, and it doesn't conflict with science really, so well...
< 1220701913 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :religion usually doesn't conflict with science, it's just it's useless
< 1220701925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all the texts doesn't claim they are true, they are just a metaphor to describe something else
< 1220701940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well just look at southern US then...
< 1220701954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, why did i promise to go see our bass player's other band play
< 1220701959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Ilari> Hmm... How do TRDS and IIPC interact? :-) In practicular, IIPC:L looks bit problematic with time-travel...
< 1220701979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't get the reference
< 1220701982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, TRDS probably conflicts with a lot...
< 1220701987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm?
< 1220701988 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about southern us?
< 1220702000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well you know how much they are against evolution?
< 1220702006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferring "god did it"
< 1220702023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure, i'm not saying religion can't be a bad thing
< 1220702028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that it can't be a good thing
< 1220702034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, "religion usually doesn't conflict with science"
< 1220702036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't true
< 1220702070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you still need some type of philosophy or such to provide a set of moral rules
< 1220702088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is basically what religion is actually useful for
< 1220702091 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really.
< 1220702108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no?
< 1220702112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220702128 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're right from the perspective of someone who likes the society to work
< 1220702133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm?
< 1220702141 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just you can supply these morals without adding a god
< 1220702145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, agreed
< 1220702166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"likes it if the society works", ig uess
< 1220702166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, Buddhism doesn't add any god
< 1220702172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i guess
< 1220702178 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "prefers a working society"
< 1220702199 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: god as in something that cannot be proved
< 1220702210 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an axiom
< 1220702241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't need an axiom, we need a set of rules, and a set of physical punishments for breaking them
< 1220702244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, go tell that to the string theory scientists :P
< 1220702315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, also, you need some axioms according to Gödel
< 1220702403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in life, they shouldn't be given externally, people should decide their own axioms on the basis of the rules, and the punishments, perhaps even on their own beliefs about whether other people actually exist
< 1220702428 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it a bit silly to believe others exist, but it seems some people do believe that
< 1220702449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you imagine that, you being real, yeah right :D
< 1220702457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you mean you don't think other people exist?
< 1220702459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1220702466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not, it's all me
< 1220702477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I suspect you are trolling now
< 1220702496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or need to visit a doctor to help with those heads *in* your head ;P
< 1220702499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat, i don't really believe either way :)
< 1220702520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i have a lot of issues with my head
< 1220702523 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like them
< 1220702531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i were totally insane
< 1220702533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220702541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not insane enough not to be able to appreciate it
< 1220702547 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As against solipsism it is to be said, in the first place, that it is psychologically impossible to believe, and is rejected in fact even by those who mean to accept it. I once received a letter from an eminent logician, Mrs. Christine Ladd Franklin, saying that she was a solipsist, and was surprised that there were no others. Coming from a logician and a solipsist, her surprise surprised me." (Bertrand Russell)
< 1220702570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, a "solipsism" is?
< 1220702585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysical_solipsism
< 1220702611 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theory that others don't exist
< 1220702647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gotta draw the line somewhere, i don't see why not draw it where the evidence stops
< 1220702668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220702708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess there's a great difference between not believing in anything but yourself, and believing you're the only one with a mind
< 1220702764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also russell's argument works as a joke, but i don't see why a solipsist should be disallowed to personify the zombies where it's a useful abstraction
< 1220702823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Franklin actually has a WP article
< 1220702923 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool stuff
< 1220702929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it time to read?
< 1220702931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so.
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< 1220703964 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220703964 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1220704961 0 :Linus`!n=LinuS@217.202.155.199 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220705224 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Cooffffeeeeeeee"
< 1220706967 0 :Linus`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1220707358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive, clang can compile large parts of ick
< 1220708289 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if only they weren't liars
< 1220710150 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-41-67.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220710205 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220710930 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1220711959 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"
< 1220715935 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ~exec print >>sys.stdout, self.raw_regex_queue[-1][1].f_code
< 1220716202 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220716212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the halting problem proof is just circular logic
< 1220716239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the definition of turing-completeness actually say there must be programs that never halt?
< 1220716261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually i guess it does
< 1220716294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate computability, every once in a while i start questioning it, only to find myself making an old mistake once again
< 1220716416 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1220718061 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1220718360 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey I need some information
< 1220718390 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does lost kings depend on wrapping or is it ok if it goes into negative areas?
< 1220718766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, memory should never wrap, however the integers in the cells must wrap and be 8-bit
< 1220718770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as we said before
< 1220718792 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they absolutely must be 8-bit for lost kingdom?
< 1220718793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tape iself not defined to wrap when you use < and/or >
< 1220718806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, you know we discussed this before
< 1220718815 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh no
< 1220718820 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1220718820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes we did
< 1220718824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday
< 1220718825 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really?
< 1220718832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try your logs
< 1220718837 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err
< 1220718837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or logs in topic
< 1220718846 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't keep logs
< 1220718863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :links to logs are in /topic
< 1220718882 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220718886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current topic is also perhaps a bit uninspired.
< 1220718888 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220718889 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ok let me make it more familiar to you
< 1220718921 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just sounds like a come on.
< 1220718926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220718927 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | and most generate "Hello, world!\n" this one generates "Hello World!\n"
< 1220718959 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Please try to think of something funnier next time.
< 1220718959 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 1 to go
< 1220718972 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see that one, then.
< 1220718974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220718974 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | and what is "Reaumure"?
< 1220718982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what is it?
< 1220718988 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue.
< 1220719004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, topic good enough?
< 1220719010 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220719010 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | makes me appreciate python a lot more, thats for sure
< 1220719012 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a unit for something iirc
< 1220719019 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For temperature, it seems.
< 1220719030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw what funge interpreter do you use for fungot now?
< 1220719031 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: eval ( person-integer forcer)
< 1220719033 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220719033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220719034 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | main = putStr s >> print s where s = "main = putStr s >> print s where s = "
< 1220719040 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220719041 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric |
< 1220719043 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahah
< 1220719044 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win
< 1220719045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one
< 1220719046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220719050 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, the last one was quite appropriate for #esoteric.
< 1220719054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, someone did a space line?
< 1220719066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1220719067 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster:
< 1220719068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that?
< 1220719078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah you think it was just that way?
< 1220719087 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strips a name
< 1220719093 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone here write me something with nested loops in brainfuck?
< 1220719098 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it didn't put a space
< 1220719098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, oh and does it just handle <nick>: or also <nick>,
< 1220719099 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just nothing
< 1220719104 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: both
< 1220719112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: ++++++++[>++++++++<-]>+.
< 1220719114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, sure, there is lost kingdom for example
< 1220719118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nested loops
< 1220719119 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that isn't nested
< 1220719120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, not *nested* loops
< 1220719125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's still RC/Funge-98, with a tiny patch so that it can do the chroot/setuid stuff all by itself. Haven't bothered to change yet, even though cfunge would work now too.
< 1220719132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++[>++++++++<-]>+.
< 1220719132 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A
< 1220719157 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My interperter doesn't support lost kingdom so something else
< 1220719157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well cfunge need a more complex chroot I guess
< 1220719165 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreter*
< 1220719168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well chroot by itself.. you could add that
< 1220719200 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chroot? are we talking bash?
< 1220719220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I think I have to ignore someone here soon....
< 1220719265 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me me me!
< 1220719269 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220719275 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, fungot actually does s/^\S+[;:,]\s+// to the text, so it supports even my nonstandard "nick; foo" attributions. Although I've been using : lately because of you people.
< 1220719276 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i would suppose he is. but the same code on every other register, in which we use different names for integer-set and char-set. or change lexmod-name to fnord or keep logs
< 1220719295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: because of us people?
< 1220719321 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Someone here (tusho?) asked me why I don't use ":" like all right-thinking people.
< 1220719327 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220719337 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really have a good answer for that.
< 1220719363 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the problem with ; is that \S+[,:] is already cutting tons out
< 1220719373 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I've added dowhile {} and if () to my interpreter
< 1220719385 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ifelse yet though :\
< 1220719397 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ignore CO2Games? why?
< 1220719414 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you think you're smarter than him for knowing more unix terminology and being better at implementing brainfuck?
< 1220719447 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey AnMaster, rm -rf /*, do it now
< 1220719465 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: hm, clever, that'll actually work
< 1220719468 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to rm -rf /
< 1220719471 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is specialcased
< 1220719482 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh I know from experience
< 1220719499 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: i doubt he's stupid enough to shell as root, though
< 1220719505 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: ++[>++[>--<+]<+]
< 1220719506 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo
< 1220719510 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh alright
< 1220719512 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: you didn't specify sudo
< 1220719521 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well :\
< 1220719542 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1220719544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two versions it wouldn't work
< 1220719544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is clever enough to append sudo when that doesn't work
< 1220719547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) not using root
< 1220719553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) I'm not that stupid
< 1220719558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually 3 reasons:
< 1220719560 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) disputed
< 1220719567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) / is mounted read only
< 1220719571 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 is probably the case
< 1220719576 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't really much in my logs that starts with \S+; and isn't either me doing "nick;", mooz doing "nick;" or some sort of code snippet.
< 1220719578 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine
< 1220719579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all 3 apply
< 1220719582 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo mount
< 1220719598 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now get the name of what's mounted at /
< 1220719609 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mount it again
< 1220719618 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or an even simpler idea
< 1220719631 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a bucket of salt water, pull out the drive, and drop it right in.
< 1220719684 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he actually did it rofl
< 1220719692 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That or he has me on ignore
< 1220719698 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or he doesn't like talking
< 1220719713 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or he's established a background privmsg through nicknames network
< 1220719717 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has you on /ignore, i imagine.
< 1220719728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry. you're not missing much.
< 1220719735 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220719785 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More funky way for removing access to suid/sgid binaries would to fork in new namespace and then remount everything nosuid... And unmount /home and /var while at it... :->
< 1220719811 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's interesting
< 1220719847 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate how windows can deny me access to my folders
< 1220719880 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:\My backup - blah blah\backup\Documents and Settings\Owner\ - Permission Denied\
< 1220719887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1220719902 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even when I'm logged in as an administrator
< 1220719955 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh but I boot into linux, I get them all fine
< 1220719977 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I still have to teach it that it needs a different mounting setup at start
< 1220720022 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/sda1 is supposed to go to /media/library, and /dev/sda2 to /media/ruins
< 1220720073 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /dev/hda1 to /media/xp, /dev/hda2 to /media/backup
< 1220720073 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220720092 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1220720095 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 sec
< 1220720184 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq...
< 1220720192 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220720198 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the code you gave supposed to loop infinitely?
< 1220720208 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220720213 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost infinitely?
< 1220720234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1220720236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> oh no
< 1220720243 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220720244 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1220720261 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll note (probably not) that http://eso-std.org/ has changed, because I'm testing the design I'm going to use for my blog on it
< 1220720271 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: try with firefox 3 or ie 7 everything else is too stupid to get it right)
< 1220720278 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it is fully valid, it's just they have a stupid bug)
< 1220720310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: does it work on IE8? And what in particular does everyone else get wrong?
< 1220720318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: It should eventually terminate.
< 1220720323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it looks good on Konqueror
< 1220720325 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it also works in webkit-based stuff but less so
< 1220720330 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it doesn't
< 1220720332 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :konqueror gets it wrong
< 1220720333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll take a fairly long time to do so, of course.
< 1220720338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :badly wrong
< 1220720358 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, the bug is that they don't let you style elements they don't recognise, which means that they don't let you style the HTML 5 elements I use
< 1220720361 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is 100% a bug on their side
< 1220720373 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since the only people who're gonna read my blog are people i know who use one of those two browsers, i don't care
< 1220720376 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm it seems to loop a lot
< 1220720383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... You use HTML 5 elements?
< 1220720386 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's the fact that it's an unsigned short
< 1220720392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid that your website's the bug.
< 1220720399 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why?
< 1220720415 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://intertwingly.net/, http://diveintomark.org/ <- two html5 websites, i could find more if i cared.
< 1220720418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1220720428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5 is not a standard.
< 1220720432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's generally considered to be a bad idea to code your website for standards that hardly anything supports yet, for pragmatic reasons
< 1220720436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a series of draft documents.
< 1220720440 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pragmatic reasons don't apply right now, though
< 1220720445 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the bits I use are stable, more or less.
< 1220720451 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i know very well, thanks, I'm in #whatwg
< 1220720465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats tusho with a cluebat.
< 1220720486 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats pikhq with a "it works on everything I care about, it's valid, the bits I use have been stable since forever, and most importantly I don't give a shit" bat
< 1220720491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a bug to not support an unfinished standard.
< 1220720493 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220720499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tusho: a man of anticlue.
< 1220720501 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, see, it's not specified in HTML 5.
< 1220720506 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bug in css
< 1220720520 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in their css impl
< 1220720533 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should apply to html 4, even
< 1220720543 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not terminating!
< 1220720547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, I didn't know CSS was supposed to apply style to unsupported elements.
< 1220720570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: maybe the default stylesheet for an unsupported element has an !important in it somewhere, you can't prove otherwise
< 1220720570 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is.
< 1220720587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: quite possible
< 1220720598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unlikely ;)
< 1220720603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: You're doing it wrong.
< 1220720605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aalso I can prove otherwise
< 1220720607 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox is open source.
< 1220720611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, gecko in specific
< 1220720616 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What why
< 1220720641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: BTW, your doctype declaration is wrong. :p
< 1220720656 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no.
< 1220720656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: Because the loop terminates.
< 1220720660 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<!DOCTYPE html> is the html5 doctype.
< 1220720736 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1220720737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats HTML5 with a stick.
< 1220720743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://annevankesteren.nl/2005/07/html5-doctype
< 1220720746 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please read. thanks.
< 1220720748 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this only work if they are unsigned CHARs?
< 1220720802 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I wasn't the only one who was surprised by that html5 doctype. (I'm probably still the only one who thinks it's somehow unclean without a reason.)
< 1220720830 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate doctypes
< 1220720840 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it has html as the root tag, it's html
< 1220720849 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean seriously
< 1220720862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I'm one of the crazy people who thinks web browsers should use SGML parsers.
< 1220720867 0 :ihope!n=Peggy@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220720877 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You're in #esoteric, I'm pretty sure craziness is a given.
< 1220720883 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, an artificial intelligence operating system.
< 1220720888 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yea, less HTML 5 talk in here, I was just trying to inform ais523 :P
< 1220720892 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GLaDOS?
< 1220720893 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it look in FF3, ais523?
< 1220720897 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume fine as it looks ok here
< 1220720899 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you never know...
< 1220720904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid that that's not a valid SGML doctype, so it's not strictly speaking valid HTML, even if it does validate.
< 1220720905 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: if someone's actually written GLaDOS, yes.
< 1220720905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it looks fine, ye
< 1220720907 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1220720908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/s/
< 1220720919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, I seem to be in the habit of missing off the last letter of my sentences agai
< 1220720922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any suggestions?
< 1220720935 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems simple enough: take an AI engine and stick an operating system on top of it.
< 1220720937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not particularly, as I actually like it, which is probably a first
< 1220720945 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... maybe ESO could use it given a colour/font/background/etc rejiggle
< 1220720949 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GLaDOS isn't AI
< 1220720955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, I had a brilliant idea for designing a shell recently
< 1220720963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people get confused if they're new to the command line
< 1220720967 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GLaDOS is real intelligence.
< 1220720978 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It learns. AI is pre-programmed
< 1220720986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, no
< 1220720986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there should be a command which you just give various filenames to and it figures out for itself some of the things you might want to do with them
< 1220720992 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any sort of reasonable AI will have some for m of learning
< 1220720996 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI is bogus, as was famously said.
< 1220720997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intelligence requires it
< 1220721004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you give an existing file and a nonexistent file, it suggests copying or moving
< 1220721009 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's clever
< 1220721013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they have different extensions, it suggests various programs to do the translation
< 1220721039 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be AI
< 1220721103 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wouldn't
< 1220721107 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: your definition of "AI" is very strange
< 1220721113 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you define AI
< 1220721129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-organism-based intelligence
< 1220721137 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220721173 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I define AI as something that is a sample of intelligence, but does not learn from previous mistakes or successes
< 1220721192 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a terrible definition :)
< 1220721195 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not what anyone means by AI
< 1220721203 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, even SHRDLU learned, iirc
< 1220721204 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever watch iRobot?
< 1220721213 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm not a masochist
< 1220721220 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A what?
< 1220721224 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220721231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't because I heard how much of a mess it made of the book, which I rather like
< 1220721238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: go look it up.
< 1220721244 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well
< 1220721248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asimov was pretty clear on the reasons why his book didn't do various things, and the film did all of them...
< 1220721249 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A masochist is one who enjoys pain.
< 1220721252 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the book
< 1220721255 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :books suck
< 1220721271 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only really liked one book.
< 1220721574 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks CO2Games
< 1220721591 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220721605 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I'm not sure what this program is supposed to do
< 1220721631 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drainfuck::++[>++[>--<+]<+]
< 1220721643 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean...
< 1220721683 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It loops until it wraps, and does that over and over until it wraps as well
< 1220721691 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder it's so slow
< 1220721716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes a few milliseconds in EgoBF.
< 1220721783 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but I'm using shorts not chars
< 1220721801 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my parser is interpreting, not compiling.
< 1220723051 0 :M0ny!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-117-12.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220723869 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the book you've really liked?
< 1220724152 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220724405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, asking anyone?
< 1220724447 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, what's the book you've really liked?
< 1220724459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if I had K&R would probably answer that, since obviously that would be the right geek answer :D
< 1220724468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly I don't have a copy of K&R
< 1220724497 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K&R isn't some Lisp book, is it?
< 1220724561 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, ran into a bug in DMD which pretty much halts my CCBI work until it's fixed
< 1220724579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what is it?
< 1220724583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does it affect gdc?
< 1220724590 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, since it's a frontend bug
< 1220724595 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=2339
< 1220724676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"K&R isn't some Lisp book, is it?"
< 1220724684 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K&R is The C Programming Language
< 1220724691 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written by dennis richie and kercan'tspellhisname
< 1220724700 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernighan
< 1220724702 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :came out before even the spec was finalized, iirc
< 1220724713 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ritchie, not richie
< 1220724717 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatevs.
< 1220724851 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :██■██
< 1220724970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ihope> K&R isn't some Lisp book, is it?
< 1220724971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220724977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the* C one
< 1220725006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I guess the -fstd=c89 is autoconf getting confused
< 1220725013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah hi
< 1220725032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also clang almost works, and the bug that happens I think is in ccc itself
< 1220725040 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ccc?
< 1220725041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got problems passing the right order to llvm-ld
< 1220725057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, wrapper for clang to accept GCC command line arguments
< 1220725063 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220725063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to handle standard POSIX ones
< 1220725064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the old-style protos are just a couple I didn't catch, everything was like that originally but the ones which took no arguments looked correct enough that I didn't notice them, nor did the other person who ANSIfied the source before I got to it
< 1220725066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do ccc -c
< 1220725071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal clang doesn't support -c
< 1220725097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, gcc with the right -W flags catches it
< 1220725148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: iffi.diff has a bit of a ring to it, anyway
< 1220725151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, do you need that static assert btw?
< 1220725160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm?
< 1220725186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I just like the way your filename sounds
< 1220725191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220725199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, diffi sure I could see it
< 1220725201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.diff no
< 1220725204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1220725206 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ?
< 1220725215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=2339
< 1220725226 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I need is for it to work properly
< 1220725235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why do you need static asserts? sure they are nice for preventing bugs
< 1220725239 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not using it in an assert
< 1220725240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that?
< 1220725244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1220725246 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just there to make a simple testcase
< 1220725264 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic problem is that mixin("FooMixin.x") can't be passed to a template as an alias parameter
< 1220725285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, go do some work on llvmdc or whatever the D compiler targeted at llvm is called
< 1220725291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use a custom frontend or DMD?
< 1220725292 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't help
< 1220725296 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all use the same crap-ass frontend
< 1220725315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so write a new frontend targeted at LLVM
< 1220725319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all issues solved
< 1220725320 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did
< 1220725320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1220725327 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only finished the lexer, then got bored
< 1220725327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you did?
< 1220725331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1220725335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220725338 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then donated the code to dang just a few days ago
< 1220725346 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is essentially D clang, just like mine was
< 1220725353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that "was not the answer I had expected"
< 1220725363 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :-P
< 1220725366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what happened to dang?
< 1220725372 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists
< 1220725379 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dil exists
< 1220725385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dil? .NET?
< 1220725387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew
< 1220725387 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but DMD is the only one near production-quality
< 1220725389 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220725415 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/dil/
< 1220725444 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently it's mostly a documentation generator from what I understand
< 1220725460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well
< 1220725473 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smartest thing for me to do would be to fix the DMD frontend
< 1220725482 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh, it's C++, and not exactly obvious
< 1220725486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yep, and then use gdb
< 1220725487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdc*
< 1220725491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, huh C++? not D?
< 1220725494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1220725501 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DMC compiler backend was C++
< 1220725510 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence, llvmdc is also C++
< 1220725525 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which annoyed me, which is why I started writing that frontend
< 1220725532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see
< 1220725535 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: using gdc doesn't matter here
< 1220725539 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all the same frontend
< 1220725542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1220725577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so well maybe time to updated the mycology results page with the current mycology (excluding myco edge since CCBI can't pass it)
< 1220725582 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other option would be to get dil to a usable state but that's too much work :-P
< 1220725590 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, mycoedge doesn't exist yet :-P
< 1220725598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if you think so I will have a new cfunge release out by tomorrow morning which support SOCK and SCKE
< 1220725616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, dil or dang you mean?
< 1220725626 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dil, it's much more complete than dang
< 1220725630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1220725639 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I'd probably prefer working on dang
< 1220725651 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be another order of magnitude more work :-P
< 1220725659 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in any case, none of this is practical
< 1220725681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well anyway do you plan to update the mycology result page soon, considering rc/funge got better too?
< 1220725692 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1220725703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if yes cfunge with SOCK SCKE will be released this evening or before noon tomorrow
< 1220726375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, 0.3.1 release in progress...
< 1220726513 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first I'll update old results, so Language::Befunge followed by RC/Funge (and removing jvh and other versions, just the latest)
< 1220726521 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now I'm installing a new version of Perl :-P
< 1220726621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice
< 1220726643 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now this is sad
< 1220726648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh?
< 1220726651 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At present, Strawberry Perl must be installed in C:\strawberry
< 1220726664 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how they managed to hardcode that
< 1220726667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok why that perl?
< 1220726691 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently it's a smart option
< 1220726705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, a what?
< 1220726711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what about non-Windows systems, does it still have to be installed in C:\strawberry
< 1220726720 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's for Windows only
< 1220726739 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but screw that, I refuse to install it in such a place
< 1220726753 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so activestate it is
< 1220726759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you can hardlink directories on Windows, you could use that to install it...
< 1220726771 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :across partitions?
< 1220726777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1220726779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though
< 1220726784 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not
< 1220726788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows' filesystem is weird
< 1220726803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Linux you can hardlink files but not directories, Windows is the other way round...
< 1220726807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=221310&package_id=267309&release_id=624578
< 1220726810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, there you are ^
< 1220726830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note, that probably doesn't work on windows, since I don't have cygwin available
< 1220726836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin does not run under wine
< 1220726838 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can test it on cygwin
< 1220726841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I got no other windows
< 1220726860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have cygwin available although not here, do you want me to test it when I get home?
< 1220726878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I can't do much if it doesn't compile under that, if it is something either part of C99 or POSIX.1-2001 that it can't handle
< 1220726997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go now, forgot it was Saturday...
< 1220726999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"9"
< 1220727078 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: The curious incident of the dog in the night-time
< 1220727093 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm able to relate to the main character in it, unlike other books.
< 1220728830 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to read that book some time.
< 1220729034 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220729436 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and you can "mount --bind" directories around on Linux, across anything obviously.
< 1220729525 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220729525 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220729803 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220729807 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220729881 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot...
< 1220729882 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M0ny: going to investigate
< 1220729885 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1220729893 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love investigations
< 1220730069 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new k testing dropped Language::Befunge and pyfunge out earlier than before :-/
< 1220730247 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220731555 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oh snap, !Befunge loops infinitely on k at "2k ;;;5"
< 1220732256 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220732267 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220732295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should that sort of thing do? Skip the first ;, then do the ;; normally and push a 5?
< 1220732323 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;; is a no-op assuming no other semicolons on that line
< 1220732341 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first ; goes to second, third to first, second to third, and then we're through
< 1220732367 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And k, will it pick the 5 as the instruction to execute?
< 1220732371 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220732427 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really a Funge-98 person, so fungot doesn't use either 'k' or ';', I think. There's two 'j's, though.
< 1220732428 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: when a schemer says " this"
< 1220732441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Then what?
< 1220732442 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: depending on the viewer. some may like to think befunge, but still
< 1220732539 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a single ], all other turns are plain old <>v^, even though I could've saved characters with []. And no w. It's very crappy code. :/
< 1220732612 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you around?
< 1220733411 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220733427 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, with a lot of hacking (removing the mmap check as well as a bunch of fingerprints) I managed to get cfunge to compile under cygwin
< 1220733435 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crashes in o:
< 1220733435 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to write to it with o...
< 1220733435 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault (core dumped)
< 1220733700 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that testing cfunge is for tomorrow then
< 1220734456 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@k-192.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220734458 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220734938 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I know what the problem in my interpreter is
< 1220734944 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1220734948 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of
< 1220734981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck interpreter?
< 1220734993 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drainfuck
< 1220735004 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's supposed to support most brainfuck
< 1220735021 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wrapping not so much because they are 16-bit cells not 8-bit
< 1220735028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you added a few loop constructs?
< 1220735033 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1220735054 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The [ and ] aren't working when nested
< 1220735064 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if this is another case of not skipping loops properly
< 1220735066 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eat streusel cake like this http://tinyurl.com/5b469r
< 1220735067 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually they might be entirely broken
< 1220735069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can fix your code you wanna
< 1220735074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if you
< 1220735085 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220735092 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is it won't exit the loop once it is 0
< 1220735100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's in python, otherwise i can't promise anything :P
< 1220735105 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++
< 1220735132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: does it avoid entering loops if they're 0 at the start?
< 1220735132 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: you're a king, how hard can it be to get some cake?
< 1220735137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that looks delicious
< 1220735153 0 :GreyKnight!n=wheel@5ad0b3f3.bb.sky.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220735177 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye...errrr
< 1220735180 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220735184 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1220735193 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i have a lot of grandmas
< 1220735197 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww
< 1220735220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: i read that as "wants to eat"
< 1220735247 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol; no i eat it now ^^
< 1220735257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kings always have to let them eat cake.  and they may _still_ lose their head for it
< 1220735258 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemee check if it does or not
< 1220735275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, GreyKnight and KingOfKarlsruhe, we have a lot of majestetic names here
< 1220735288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :OkloThePol
< 1220735320 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oklob Police? :-)
< 1220735325 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah it skips the loop
< 1220735338 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oklob?
< 1220735341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it's not that common newbie mistake :)
< 1220735345 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, [] does, but {} doesn't as intended
< 1220735359 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: give us some code or start debugging, whining doesn't help :P
< 1220735364 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] is a while, and {} is a dowhile
< 1220735369 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and () is an if :D
< 1220735383 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220735384 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OkloThePol: "oklob plants" are a dastardly and widely-feared monster from the game Crawl (see ##crawl)
< 1220735390 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is with Pol the Great
< 1220735396 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: hey! you can only have 2 grandmas, i just realized :--)
< 1220735428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm was it gilgamesh who had two mothers?
< 1220735429 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biological*
< 1220735442 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it three
< 1220735450 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that was Florence Ambrose.
< 1220735456 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe Gilgamesh, too.
< 1220735458 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wondered if eggs could fuse resulting in two or more fathers
< 1220735491 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: you could put some code in a pastebin if you want help, then we could see the problem more easily
< 1220735493 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, given that horses and donkeys can't exactly mix, and they have almost the same number of chromosomes.
< 1220735498 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright
< 1220735499 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 sec
< 1220735500 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? i don't remember florence having - oh, that.  but only one was biological right?
< 1220735502 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that, anyway.
< 1220735511 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1220735513 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you are the guy that is doing YA bf-alike, right?)
< 1220735536 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OkloThePol: thats enough
< 1220735540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er is wikipedia down?
< 1220735548 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did EU have both a mother and a father, anyway? You don't need two people to make a clone.
< 1220735551 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: okay i'll stop
< 1220735561 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes wikipedia is down
< 1220735579 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia doesn't seem to be down here.
< 1220735582 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP works for me
< 1220735589 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(en-wp, that is)
< 1220735628 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220735632 0 :OkloThePol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220735672 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/da33c84b
< 1220735698 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.wikipedia.org works, ja.wikipedia.org works, fi.wikipedia.org works, zh.wikipedia.org works.
< 1220735721 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so only http://oerjan.wikipedia.org is the problem :-)
< 1220735729 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need to look at the Hungarian, German, Spanish, Klingon, Lojban, and French Wikipedias.
< 1220735731 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moveleft and moveright move the pointer for the data tape
< 1220735736 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or code tape
< 1220735740 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever is used
< 1220735744 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Hindi.
< 1220735747 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know for a fact that they work
< 1220735765 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: wasn't the tlhingan Hol one discontinued?
< 1220735768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still cannot reach en.wikipedia
< 1220735770 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi btw :-)
< 1220735793 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: de.wikipedia is not available
< 1220735834 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[>+[>-<+]<+] - Works but not on my interpreter
< 1220735835 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: I can get at de-wp as well, there must be disruption on the path from you to them somewhere
< 1220735840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. was fine
< 1220735882 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So any ideas?
< 1220735946 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be looping back to the start of its loop regardless of the result.
< 1220735954 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topic for #wikipedia is "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Status: Down in Europe | Maintain civility and respect at all times | No public logs allowed | No speaking bots allowed. | For an op, join #wikimedia-ops"
< 1220735955 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only the outside loop not the inside one
< 1220735965 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Status: Down in Europe" being the important bit :-)
< 1220735993 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, help
< 1220735993 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: Ouch.
< 1220735997 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, please
< 1220735998 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: I really need to learn LISP and Perl, and practice Scheme and C.
< 1220736005 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220736006 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I think you broke EgoBot.
< 1220736013 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway :-)
< 1220736023 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can get to wp
< 1220736039 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys?
< 1220736043 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OkloThePol: yeah, I can from Ireland too.  It is probably the mainland or else patchy
< 1220736053 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: we could probably help more with pasted code and/or copious debugging output :-)
< 1220736068 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight's First Rule of Debugging: When in doubt, print it out
< 1220736070 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debugging output? There isn't an error
< 1220736074 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1220736076 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did
< 1220736079 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes too long
< 1220736121 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys my code doesn't work can you help me
< 1220736129 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok what's the code
< 1220736141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OkloThePol: there's a missing semicolon on line 43
< 1220736147 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: I mean that, while the executable is running, it should append information to a file on what its current status is
< 1220736169 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you could trace through said output to see where it is deviating from expectations
< 1220736191 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh so you want me to output each operation to a file and upload the file?
< 1220736241 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code symbol - Cell being pointed to before the operation - its value before the operation
< 1220736257 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have it setup for stdout so I can get that out to a file instead
< 1220736276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't oklopol a Python guy? Missing semicolon in Python code sounds fishy.
< 1220736292 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, write out everything you can think of, run a short test of what doesn't work, and then go through the output performing the code operations by hand to see which ones are wrong :-)
< 1220736384 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Python have traditional braces-and-semicolon type syntax?
< 1220736407 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO
< 1220736440 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you seen
< 1220736440 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> from __future__ import braces
< 1220736441 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: not a chance (<pyshell#2>, line 1)
< 1220736489 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is (in)famous for its indentation-sensitive syntax.
< 1220736582 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that it's not so much that the syntax is *sensitive* to indentation as that the indentation *is* the syntax :-)
< 1220736612 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you can use ;s to put multiple statements on a single line, so I guess there could be a missing ;.
< 1220736644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you doubting my oracular powers?
< 1220736653 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like doubting people.
< 1220736676 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: hey, you're back to your old self!
< 1220736678 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doubting... everyone except oerjan right now.
< 1220736688 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I change temporarily?
< 1220736692 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doubt, doubt, doubt the boat.
< 1220736712 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that ihope likes doubting people
< 1220736726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: you had that sorta weredog look
< 1220736771 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1220736786 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I didn't change from always doubting myself to thinking I'm always right, or vice versa.
< 1220736801 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may have, i didn't notice
< 1220736861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i doubt that.  and i'm always right.
< 1220737041 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys
< 1220737065 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the debug output is 28.3 MB
< 1220737076 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what kind of input?!
< 1220737082 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1220737084 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[>+[>-<+]<+]
< 1220737099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your cell size?
< 1220737105 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1220737109 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220737112 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned short
< 1220737153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bits on your system?
< 1220737158 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits of what
< 1220737165 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean per short?
< 1220737168 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16-bit cells
< 1220737172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF COURSE
< 1220737185 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry I thought you meant ram heh
< 1220737191 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220737230 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[>+[>-<+]<+] takes a fraction of a second on brainfucking machine
< 1220737230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good grief someone is doing fireworks outside
< 1220737285 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: put the first bunch of lines of the debug output on a pastebin and let's see if it's doing something wrong early on
< 1220737292 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1220737334 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220737343 0 :OkloThePol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220737416 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/d7efc8647
< 1220737419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you that should take 2^32 steps of the inner loop, right?
< 1220737439 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr ok
< 1220737441 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 sec
< 1220737498 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32^2 or 2^32
< 1220737506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^32
< 1220737510 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1220737518 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of lines
< 1220737535 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | just use ssh instead
< 1220737546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take the first 2^16 steps
< 1220737558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the inner cell should wrap around
< 1220737577 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the first place you'd expect something could be wrong
< 1220737611 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better idea might be to take the section around that, cutting off both before *and* after?
< 1220737620 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notepad crashed
< 1220737625 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait nevermind
< 1220737625 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what i meant.
< 1220737647 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, ignore my misunderstanding then :-)
< 1220737651 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what?
< 1220737687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: you want to see what happens around the point when cell 2 wraps around to 0 for the first time
< 1220737727 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220737740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er or cell 1
< 1220737753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that should be about simultaneous
< 1220737770 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OkloThePol:
< 1220737774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oklo my pol.
< 1220737782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :TuTheSho
< 1220737834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: should be around line 5*65536
< 1220737853 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok 1 sec then
< 1220737866 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 327680
< 1220737921 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/d7ed995ad
< 1220738008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, so it _does_ end the inner loop
< 1220738024 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yez
< 1220738027 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes*
< 1220738043 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But never the outer one
< 1220738063 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking it has something to do with my usage of shorts instead of chars
< 1220738075 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the code needs to wrap to work or something
< 1220738079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure that makes it much slower
< 1220738091 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220738093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shorts should wrap just as well
< 1220738098 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1220738102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and clearly they do in the inner loop
< 1220738104 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not at the same point
< 1220738112 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your cell type typedef'd?  If so you could temporarily change it to char and see what happens
< 1220738124 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef'd?
< 1220738153 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used the typedef keyword
< 1220738185 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, do you refer to your tape explicitly as "unsigned short tape[];" or use "typedef unsigned short cellvalue;  cellvalue tape[];"
< 1220738187 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220738196 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220738203 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tapes are actually classes
< 1220738212 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you get what I mean :-P
< 1220738226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: anyway you need to get beyond line 5*2^32 and a bit more for the big one
< 1220738244 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I'll look for it in my log
< 1220738252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21474836480
< 1220738258 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k 1 sec
< 1220738260 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phreeow
< 1220738279 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh
< 1220738287 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a whole terrabyte
< 1220738313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that
< 1220738317 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ thats fucking huge
< 1220738358 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well 1 sec
< 1220738384 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006689 is as far as the log goes
< 1220738406 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 1 sec
< 1220738497 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think charification might be the order of the day, to be honest :-)
< 1220738505 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see if that shows it up any better
< 1220738522 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a typedef you could switch between them easily!)
< 1220738561 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I can make it unsigned chars pretty easy so 1 sec
< 1220738580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be fast enough
< 1220738695 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220738701 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :................................
< 1220738703 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked
< 1220738706 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1220738710 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF
< 1220738716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1220738722 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did I do D:
< 1220738749 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works now that I changed them to unsigned chars
< 1220738751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess 5*2^32 + 65536 steps is just a bit slow...
< 1220738764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's my latest calculation)
< 1220738769 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no it couldn't be
< 1220738800 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used if's to check if I was at zero and it was like I was always not.
< 1220738861 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it was the goddamned shit...
< 1220738866 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 1 sec in that case
< 1220738953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION envisions some if (cell=0) ;D
< 1220739139 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1220739158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was a joke. i hope.)
< 1220739191 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude you need to use ==
< 1220739207 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _was_ the joke :D
< 1220739208 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I meant my if commands in drainfuck
< 1220739213 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh rofl
< 1220739242 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^0+++++++.V)
< 1220739262 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prints a beep without altering the current cell's contents
< 1220739277 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you could also
< 1220739288 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X0+++++++.X
< 1220739300 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the () is an if
< 1220739319 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the effect of a [. but the ) doesn't do anything but sit there
< 1220739340 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the opposite {}
< 1220739343 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ does nothing
< 1220739348 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} has the effect of ]
< 1220739365 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I have while, if, do-while
< 1220739380 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I simplified the loop
< 1220739391 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[>+[+]<+]
< 1220739419 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck did it in .02 seconds
< 1220739429 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drainfuck is still working on it
< 1220739443 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many brainfuck interps parse [+] as (set cell to zero)
< 1220739453 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah mine too
< 1220739466 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know about the wrapping until after I made the 0 though
< 1220739468 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, preferably, optimize it
< 1220739477 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220739487 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 0 is much faster
< 1220739499 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in an interpreter
< 1220739509 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more wrapping-dependent code?  I wonder how BF ever managed to get so vilely popular with all this carryon.
< 1220739542 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine doesn't directly parse [+] or [-], it just goes [ then + then ] then + then ] etc.
< 1220739565 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: i'm not following you
< 1220739568 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still gotta add X and L for my parser
< 1220739581 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does yours optimize [+] into a single action setting the current cell to 0?
< 1220739584 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1220739585 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220739589 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have the 0 command for that
< 1220739597 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err okay.
< 1220739600 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Drainfuck#Examples
< 1220739602 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220739605 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Drainfuck
< 1220739644 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parser sees [+] as three commands, not one
< 1220739649 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with [-]
< 1220739672 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1220739724 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220739732 0 :OkloThePol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220739812 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, muriel + brainfuck, all loops balanced, ^ runs tape as a bf program with a new empty tape
< 1220739841 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hot damn that's interesting
< 1220739842 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i guess you could have 1 mean +, 2 mean - etc, so it's easier to create the code
< 1220739882 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ^ to store the current cell's data into the cache
< 1220739927 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache is like a one-byte buffer for temporary storing?
< 1220739932 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1220739932 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one-word
< 1220739936 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 bytes
< 1220739939 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarrrr
< 1220739954 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it isn't affected by swapping tapes
< 1220739968 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^XV
< 1220739975 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just copied a byte to the other tape
< 1220739977 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220739979 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cell
< 1220739985 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah
< 1220740011 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each tape has an independant reel, so if you start the program and >X you are still at 0
< 1220740032 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the other tape is at 1
< 1220740048 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to add a function to swap the data tape out
< 1220740090 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY
< 1220740101 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The loop I fed my program finished
< 1220740105 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: what country are you in?
< 1220740112 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :United States
< 1220740127 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1220740131 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason "reel" immediately gave it away for me that you were native
< 1220740133 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno.
< 1220740135 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220740153 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 5.25" working floppy drive in my dos 6.22 computer
< 1220740159 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now that is
< 1220740190 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could I would also have an 8" drive
< 1220740198 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but noo they don't sell those
< 1220740212 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to get my 5.25" off ebay
< 1220740213 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones commodore 64 used?
< 1220740214 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drive that is
< 1220740223 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use 5.25"
< 1220740227 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220740268 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now Playing: Mutato Muzika - N. Cortex
< 1220740330 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the crash bandicoot 2 background music
< 1220740550 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220740551 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220740736 0 :TuTheSho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.0
< 1220740821 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1220740835 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.o0o.
< 1220741044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_.00._
< 1220741641 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright I've got a working drainfuck-specific program now
< 1220741648 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drainfuck::{++++++++++>,----------}@>[.>]E
< 1220742445 0 :TuTheSho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1220743397 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1220743410 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1220743932 0 :TuTheSho!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tuhso
< 1220743934 0 :tuhso!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tusho
< 1220744161 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, I was half-tempted to /nick GreyTheKnight for a while there
< 1220744215 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda is neat, maybe I should roll together a program to interpret or compile it
< 1220744224 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm effort
< 1220744251 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda rocks ass
< 1220744406 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling unlambda is quite difficult
< 1220744407 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to d
< 1220744421 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"```.Z.Z.Zi"
< 1220744844 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-67-246.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220745129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1220745168 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-98-89-121.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220745811 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220745818 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1220747024 0 :OkloThePol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220747024 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220748709 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to try out my drainfuck parser?
< 1220748858 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If my langauge has all of the brainfuck commands working the same way, is my language turing-complete as well?
< 1220749021 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey I thought brainfuck was intended to have the smallest compiler ever.
< 1220749061 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :200 kb my ass
< 1220749081 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My interpreter is only 88 kb
< 1220749139 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but theirs is tested :o)
< 1220749145 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1220749146 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a joke, but you never know)
< 1220749149 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mine can be.
< 1220749158 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A joke? Theirs aren't tested?
< 1220749194 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I try to stay away from bf-alikes, so would be hard pressed to see any problems with it, but hopefully someone else will give you a hand
< 1220749209 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220749212 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:*
< 1220749300 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1220749322 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is my interpreter smaller than their compilers?
< 1220749355 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, compilation and interpretation are different beasts for a start, perhaps that has an effect.
< 1220749363 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220749374 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the brainfuck compiler was 200b
< 1220749378 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, actually
< 1220749383 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh...bytes...
< 1220749384 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what compiler are you talking about?
< 1220749385 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...eheh....
< 1220749388 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original?
< 1220749397 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The smallest working
< 1220749413 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the original was near 200b
< 1220749414 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry I was thinking kilobytes ahah
< 1220749437 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a 3d game in 98kb
< 1220749447 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.kkrieger or something
< 1220751452 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220751453 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220751607 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1220751738 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1220754285 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-123-197.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220754319 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220758810 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220758947 0 :GreyKnight!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"fell into a bucket of sleep"
< 1220759136 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | you could easily have like 10 buttons that way
< 1220760815 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1220761919 0 :psygnisfive!i=82f5c439@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7e2ffc030037ae4e JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220761930 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1220761935 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net/transfers/prettyboy.jpg
< 1220761936 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot
< 1220761938 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want him
< 1220761941 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :love his cock
< 1220761943 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1220762078 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: Read commentary BEFORE clicking random links.
< 1220767812 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220767818 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO MUCH FUN?
< 1220768334 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys- want to try out a new stack-based language I've cooked up?
< 1220768335 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rodger.nonlogic.org/games/GraphScript/
< 1220768363 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter is still a little brittle, but it can deal with most syntax errors somewhat gracefully
< 1220768424 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running either of the frontends I provide from the console will provide you with more helpful debugging information in the case of an error than just running the applet in a browser.
< 1220768823 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, pikhq?
< 1220769097 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dislike your symbol choices. :(
< 1220769398 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? Not a fan of square brackets?
< 1220770042 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220770053 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a fan of not using + - etc
< 1220770143 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.<
< 1220770216 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1220772522 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 'night, folks
< 1220773805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: I'll check it out in the morning.
< 1220774399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1220774400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220775121 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220775501 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll check it out in the now.
< 1220775618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days, efficiency requires you to check it out in the past
< 1220775639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always keep a time machine handy
< 1220775647 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in the past, i was checking out your mum.
< 1220775681 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far in the past?
< 1220775848 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220775881 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@m-23.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220775885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whew.
< 1220775887 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am here early.
< 1220775911 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i drew a line
< 1220775914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly, some people are awake
< 1220776005 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was woken up by a friends asking me to go to some whacky martial arts thing
< 1220776120 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yea, but i doubt there's anyone british in here
< 1220776121 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220776279 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches tusho doubt himself
< 1220776298 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too tired to doubt. :3
< 1220776313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone is 1. awake 2. on IRC 3. british say "aaaaaaaaaafjkahsiuebfbuaishdiuqh312h3893y*&*&£Y"
< 1220776339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really thought you were british
< 1220776453 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was a command to others
< 1220776454 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to myself
< 1220776508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, you seem not to include yourself in "anyone"
< 1220776509 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220776518 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220776543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: tusho is a british robot
< 1220776839 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, he is two
< 1220776911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impeccable logic
< 1220777016 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am fuzzy
< 1220777018 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i like hugs.
< 1220777045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs tusho 
< 1220777055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww, that fuzz is mold!
< 1220777057 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's fuzzy state continues unchanged
< 1220777061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not :(
< 1220777173 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read too slowly
< 1220777209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too.  must be a sign of genius.
< 1220777276 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220777277 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION investigates the fuzz more carefully with a microscope
< 1220777291 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, there are little people in there!  and skyscrapers!
< 1220777296 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8|
< 1220777317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a starbucks!
< 1220777451 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a plus side to my slow reading, i do usually remember every little detail about the book
< 1220777470 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for names and years of course, for some reason i cannot remember those
< 1220777484 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier for me to convert the name to meaningless numbers, then remember them
< 1220777495 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, think of the word as a random string
< 1220777499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't explain the years
< 1220777503 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1220777527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, at some point in my life i've decided names and times are not important
< 1220777542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i just cannot remember them.
< 1220777600 0 :OkloThePol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220777601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220777632 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't remember any one of my friends' birthday, even though i've put quite a lot of effort into remembering them; i do remember about 20 long passwords though, even the passwords of a few of my friends, i remember all phone numbers, and much more useless trivia though
< 1220777650 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though though
< 1220777665 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do remember the names of my friends though, that's not as bad :)
< 1220777707 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1220777734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking mirc remembers my jokes and keeps repeating them
< 1220777797 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read really fast.
< 1220777819 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really remember many details post-book but I could give you a summary. it's a pleasure for while I read it, at least
< 1220777839 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't type anywhere near the speed at which I can for some reason.
< 1220777845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be a sign of .. erm
< 1220777942 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't read books where it's useful to give summaries
< 1220777952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's one reason why i read slow, i don't read fiction
< 1220778164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, now I'm around
< 1220778181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Deewiant> well, with a lot of hacking (removing the mmap check as well as a bunch of fingerprints) I managed to get cfunge to compile under cygwin
< 1220778181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Deewiant> crashes in o:
< 1220778181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Deewiant> Trying to write to it with o...
< 1220778181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Deewiant> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
< 1220778182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Deewiant> guess that testing cfunge is for tomorrow then
< 1220778185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a backtrace?
< 1220778219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works perfectly under Linux, FreeBSD and Mac OS X
< 1220778222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that
< 1220778402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well those changes you made, they could have caused the issue, potentially
< 1220778501 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I get a backtrace
< 1220778540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got gdb?
< 1220778545 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220778563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb --args path/to/cfunge path/to/mycology.b98
< 1220778580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type "r" (without quotes) to run the program
< 1220778590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait till it crashes and you get a gdb prompt
< 1220778594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then type:
< 1220778596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bt
< 1220778602 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless stacktrace
< 1220778608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, useless as in?
< 1220778613 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, useless
< 1220778617 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can paste it for you
< 1220778620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean lot of question marks?
< 1220778625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you build with debug info?
< 1220778640 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just did "cmake . -G 'Unix Makefiles'"
< 1220778644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEBUG for build type in cmake
< 1220778665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=DEBUG
< 1220778732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try that Deewiant :)
< 1220778738 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other question I had was how to remove fingerprints from the build
< 1220778739 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i wanna contribute a ccbi patch, are there any neat fingerprints i could implement for ccbi2?
< 1220778761 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went hacking in the CMake-generated makefiles to do it
< 1220778771 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but surely there's an easy way
< 1220778798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, remove the directory and rerun tools/gen_fprint_list.sh
< 1220778801 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I don't know about "neat", but sure, there's a bunch of stuff of RC/Funge's that I haven't done
< 1220778805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to rebuild fingerprints.h
< 1220778812 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove what directory
< 1220778818 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yay. any up-to-date ccbi2 source tarballs?
< 1220778821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, src/fingerprints/FILE or whatever
< 1220778832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the file src/fingerprints/FILE.spec
< 1220778844 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: would be kinda pointless as the fingerprint stuff isn't done in ccbi2 (currently blocked on a compiler bug indefinitely)
< 1220778853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ouch. what's the bug?
< 1220778855 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any hacky workarounds?
< 1220778858 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none
< 1220778865 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have dozens of bug workarounds in my code
< 1220778869 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't think of one for this
< 1220778874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I didn't have any need to disable some in an easy way. sorry
< 1220778875 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what's the bug?
< 1220778888 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=2339
< 1220778909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway got any useful stack trace now?
< 1220778921 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I am removing fingerprints so that I can get this to build
< 1220778926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah
< 1220778961 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: couldn't you like, restructure how your stuff works and sacrifice neatness for workingness
< 1220778961 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220778969 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mixin magic is nice, but when it doesn't work...
< 1220778973 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that was 1.0
< 1220778974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you mean make it work like ccbi 1?
< 1220778982 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. :p
< 1220778990 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: write it in something else. =P
< 1220779061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but I don't have too high hopes for this since I know cygwin's gdb can be whacky, and you said you edited funge-space.c to remove mmap... well that is where the actually file writing happens too, though that bit doesn't use mmap()
< 1220779206 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no help anyway
< 1220779207 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/fzo95417.html
< 1220779252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah, cygwin's gdb is whacky, not much I can do except note that using locally changed source is unsupported :/
< 1220779259 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ues
< 1220779260 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220779263 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot get paid phone support
< 1220779271 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use any of the Unofficial cfunge Community Support Channels
< 1220779283 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for assistance with The Product.
< 1220779288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As specified by the EULA.)
< 1220779291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, very funny, but point is I need a good backtrace to be able to debug it
< 1220779304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eula is GPL so *shrug*
< 1220779311 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so you need a backtrace to do it but you won't do it anyway as it was locally changed?
< 1220779312 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see.
< 1220779318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, the backtrace is broken
< 1220779321 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"give me a backtrace then proceed to watch me do nothing with it!"
< 1220779330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I would help if there was a good backtrace
< 1220779335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it was locally changed
< 1220779338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...contradicting what you just said
< 1220779370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, now that it is locally changed and there is no good backtrace... well hard to debug, hard to reproduce
< 1220779386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if you got a diff of your local changes I could take a look at them
< 1220779469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I could reproduce a bug with that here maybe I could help you make it work
< 1220779477 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just defining M_PI somewhere where it wasn't, removing the check for _POSIX_mmap_works or whatever, and removing 3DSP,FIXP,PERL,REXP,TERM
< 1220779503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so you use mmap() still? just removing the sanity check for it?
< 1220779507 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220779527 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like I'm going to rewrite your file loading code to get it to work :-P
< 1220779548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, then I'm totally lost. If you had removed mmap() and replaced it with something else then I could see that something could have caused it... but... now, huh?
< 1220779563 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1220779572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for where was M_PI not defined?
< 1220779578 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember, somewhere
< 1220779581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here math.h define it
< 1220779582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so :/
< 1220779592 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in cygwin evidently
< 1220779602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, think that is due to windows in fact
< 1220779607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway will take a look at that
< 1220779612 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is
< 1220779641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURT.c I guess
< 1220779699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but the bug you describe doesn't happen on any OS I have access to, so I'm sad to say that I'm unable to reproduce it :/
< 1220779713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to see what I could do :/
< 1220779768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you could run with -S to drop =, o and i
< 1220779772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...
< 1220779791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, as for PERL, why wouldn't it work under cygwin?
< 1220779796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin does have fork()
< 1220779838 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Is this where I get revenge for you whining about my blog design?
< 1220779843 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: link error to __Exit
< 1220779843 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Portability!!!!!!
< 1220779851 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POOOOOOOOORTABILITY
< 1220779857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah
< 1220779866 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, you're portable to anything that supports C99 and POSIX right?
< 1220779878 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my design is portable to anything that supports CSS2 and some elements of CSS3.
< 1220779885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works without the CSS3 stuff too.
< 1220779886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well that is fine
< 1220779892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say that in the README :P
< 1220779905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make sure to not use GCC or glibc extensions
< 1220779906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but 100% standards compliance is universal!
< 1220779907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1220779913 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it not?! you are shattering my world here
< 1220779925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no it isn't, I never claimed to work on Mac OS 7
< 1220779944 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: does ccbi run on macos7
< 1220779954 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: haven't seen anyone try
< 1220779954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does cygwin have _exit() then?
< 1220779956 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, why not
< 1220779959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't have _Exit()
< 1220779962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't know
< 1220779989 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what, but everyone who asks about something is an expert on it.[1][2]
< 1220779989 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :References
< 1220779989 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :---------------
< 1220779990 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1]: ais523
< 1220779990 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2]: tusho
< 1220779992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAME
< 1220779992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       _exit, _Exit - terminate the calling process
< 1220779995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFORMING TO
< 1220779995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       SVr4, POSIX.1-2001, 4.3BSD.  The function _Exit() was introduced by C99.
< 1220779995 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I'll stop irritating AnMaster now
< 1220780005 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no i won't
< 1220780017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but you just said that standards-compliance wasn't universal...
< 1220780019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so replacing it with _exit() could work
< 1220780028 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why are you citing one
< 1220780030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, that is sadly the truth
< 1220780037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I'm saying that you could use either
< 1220780051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want it to work under cygwin
< 1220780093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay well i said that before you said that.
< 1220780094 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type faster :p
< 1220780096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway, o uses normal file streams so I'm not sure what is the cause of stuff going wrong there. I'm unable to reproduce that type of error
< 1220780137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, cygwin use / not \ right?
< 1220780159 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: if you really want to implement stuff for ccbi you can do it against the current version and I can update it myself for version 2 later
< 1220780166 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, of course
< 1220780169 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: alright. any juicy fingerprints?
< 1220780172 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Windows NT supports / as well anyway
< 1220780183 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know a good list of them, so
< 1220780188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think rcfunge98.com is down
< 1220780194 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't
< 1220780194 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220780195 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sback
< 1220780196 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for me, anyway
< 1220780217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well, I got no idea what could be wrong, if I had a bugzilla I would probably close with "WORKSFORME" or "NEEDMOREINFO" at this point :(
< 1220780256 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: EXEC, FING, LONG, MACR, SETS, STCK, TRGR, from a quick look
< 1220780265 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXEC sounds sexalicious.
< 1220780267 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks
< 1220780276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, EXEC is just "variations of k in C maj"
< 1220780287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1220780291 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. not very interesting from the looks either
< 1220780294 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you want to clone a mercurial branch to play with?
< 1220780302 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oh, sure
< 1220780310 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just going to sync the tarball manually with git but that sounds better :^)
< 1220780327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if you manage to get an usable backtrace, or even better a nice patch, then I shall handle fix it as fast as I can (probably the weekend after)
< 1220780338 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: hg clone http://tar.us.to:8000/ should work
< 1220780338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until then: NEEDMOREINFO and WORKSFORME
< 1220780340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1220780347 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it works for you on cygwin?
< 1220780351 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is "doesn't work on cygwin"
< 1220780354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I don't have cygwin
< 1220780355 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORKSFORME is inappropriate.
< 1220780361 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you haven't even tested
< 1220780373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, right, NEEDMOREINFO LACKNEEDEDRESOURCESTOTESTONCYGWIN
< 1220780377 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, more like NEEDMOREINFO or WONTFIX
< 1220780386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, WILLFIXWITHMOREINFO
< 1220780389 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: couldn't you, ahh, just run qemu..
< 1220780399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I don't have any windows cd or license
< 1220780404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pirate it.
< 1220780411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I don't do that...
< 1220780435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't break the law like that
< 1220780436 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is windows worth the money it costs.
< 1220780436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1220780439 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1220780443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no, but I don't break the law
< 1220780447 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: operation timed out
< 1220780458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, same as tusho here
< 1220780462 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1220780462 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ok, i'll call you back post-copyright-reform. :D
< 1220780475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm?
< 1220780488 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: any other location for the repo?
< 1220780489 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not
< 1220780504 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I can give you the IP address instead or you can wait while I update the DNS record :-)
< 1220780516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ip is fine
< 1220780518 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that sounds nice
< 1220780522 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :88.114.230.95
< 1220780536 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, somebody worked
< 1220780540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me
< 1220780542 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me
< 1220780544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a clone
< 1220780544 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tusho as well
< 1220780557 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, STCK looks incredibly trivial
< 1220780558 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do that
< 1220780562 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220780564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I can build it due to gdc and tango mess
< 1220780588 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: can i install rebuild with dsss?
< 1220780589 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220780590 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just get DMD, what's so wrong with that :-P
< 1220780596 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: rebuild is part of dsss
< 1220780600 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oh
< 1220780602 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have dsss, you have rebuild
< 1220780603 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have dsss, it seems
< 1220780604 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz
< 1220780606 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220780621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway as it stands now: cygwin is unsupported and NEEDMOREINFO | CANTFIXCURRENTLY
< 1220780641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# dsss-0.75-gdc-mac-10.4.dmg <-- oh yeah baby
< 1220780643 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hated compiling dsss
< 1220780658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so cygwin issues is not valid for mycology results page
< 1220780665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dsss.codu.org/ wow, gregorr uses the cherokee http server
< 1220780665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I don't currently support cygwin
< 1220780669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I accept patches
< 1220780672 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's...even more obscure than nginx and lighttpd.
< 1220780677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and good backtraces
< 1220780677 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thttpd.
< 1220780707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, agreed, I used both lighttpd and thttpd (and apache of course)
< 1220780715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard about nginx
< 1220780720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cherokee? huh?
< 1220780729 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cherokee looks like a neat project but meh
< 1220780736 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | OK
< 1220780739 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems neat but ... no reason to switch atm i think
< 1220780755 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the problem is cf_putc_unlocked
< 1220780759 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fputc works fine
< 1220780762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rutian uses apache 'cause it's easy to spread out domains in different directories (the way we do it is: domain X administered by user Y goes in ~Y/www/X)
< 1220780768 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has Passangers and nifty stuff
< 1220780787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, interesting. I do call the needed locking and unlocking functions before and after
< 1220780799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you should probably report this bug to the cygwin project I suspect
< 1220780813 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rutian is a pretty nifty little machine.
< 1220780814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now if you give me some thing to ifdef on I can work around it for cygwin
< 1220780816 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicely organized and such
< 1220780818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, :)
< 1220780829 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and always zippy
< 1220780853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% rebuild -rfccbi.rf
< 1220780853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ccbi.d(13): module Exception cannot read file 'tango/core/Exception.d'
< 1220780859 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the dsss command to tangoify again
< 1220780867 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me, I don't use dsss
< 1220780871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, #ifdef what? to detect cygwin?
< 1220780877 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: To make things easiest, get Rebuild and run rebuild -rfccbi.rf, passing any other options you wish (e.g. for optimization, -O -inline -release). If not, you’ll need to manually pass each source file to the compiler.
< 1220780890 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you don't have tango
< 1220780900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i know
< 1220780906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a dsss command to download&install tango
< 1220780909 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why paste that :-P
< 1220780912 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dsss net install tango?
< 1220780914 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220780918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#  define cf_putc_unlocked(x, y)           putc_unlocked((x), (y))
< 1220780918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1220780921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#  define cf_putc_unlocked(x, y)           putc((x), (y))
< 1220780922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ^
< 1220780933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on if the system claims to support unlocked IO
< 1220780953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does normal putc, not fputc work?
< 1220780955 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: are those gdc problems still relevant
< 1220780962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       fputc() writes the character c, cast to an unsigned char, to stream.
< 1220780962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: probably yes
< 1220780963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       putc() is equivalent to fputc() except that it may be implemented as a macro which evaluates stream more than once.
< 1220780966 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GDC hasn't been updated in ages
< 1220780967 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i can't use dmd on os x :\
< 1220780986 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well, like said, it's fine as long as you don't use 'o' :-P
< 1220780989 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lib/common/tango/core/Exception.d:71: internal compiler error: Abort trap
< 1220780991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway, give me something to #ifdef on and I shall special case cygwin
< 1220780994 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt/local/var/db/dports/build/_opt_local_var_db_dports_sources_rsync.rsync.darwinports.org_dpupdate_dports_lang_gdc/work/gcc-4.1.2/gcc/d/dmd/toobj.c:417: failed assertion `classinfo->structsize == CLASSINFO_SIZE'
< 1220780994 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lib/common/tango/core/Exception.d:71: internal compiler error: Abort trap
< 1220780996 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
< 1220781003 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yeah, hooray for GDC
< 1220781012 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah:
< 1220781012 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdc (GCC) 4.1.2 20070214 (  (gdc 0.23, using dmd 1.007))
< 1220781012 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
< 1220781013 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: do you have the latest SVN?
< 1220781017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM EVER SO SLIGHTLY OUT OF DATE
< 1220781017 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently not
< 1220781036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, surely that is bad, you must of course use the last! ;P
< 1220781046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, use cvs head of your glibc!
< 1220781048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1220781061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: django is worse
< 1220781069 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220781069 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was
< 1220781072 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they released 1.0 recently
< 1220781073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220781078 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but before that they were on 0.96
< 1220781084 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the trunk was like 3 major releases ahead
< 1220781089 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :production enterprise websites used the trunk
< 1220781091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes most projects tend to get a bit more stable by 1.0
< 1220781098 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the actual experimental development was on other branches scattered about
< 1220781119 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: will i have to reinstall dsss for the new gdc
< 1220781121 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can't reproduce it trivially
< 1220781124 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I don't know
< 1220781127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :D
< 1220781140 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1220781144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm... well give me an #ifdef for cygwin then, and I shall use normal putc for it
< 1220781152 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope gdc compiles easy...
< 1220781153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it needs fputc not putc?
< 1220781173 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceforge.net/projects/gdcmac
< 1220781175 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :june 1 2008
< 1220781178 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woop woop
< 1220781223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, other places in the code also use these functions so... well I need *something to use in #ifdef to detect cygwin*
< 1220781242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, want the GCC command to list predefined #defines?
< 1220781262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo | gcc -std=c99 -E -x c -dM - -o -
< 1220781278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if there is anything about cygwin there
< 1220781281 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outputs nothing :-D
< 1220781288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef _CYGWIN_
< 1220781289 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think...
< 1220781289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's strange....
< 1220781291 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :osmething like that
< 1220781300 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, __CYGWIN__
< 1220781303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1220781354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, support.h, line 138
< 1220781358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change it to
< 1220781361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#if !defined(__CYGWIN__) && defined(_POSIX_THREAD_SAFE_FUNCTIONS) && (_POSIX_THREAD_SAFE_FUNCTIONS > 0)
< 1220781369 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: btw, easier, echo | cpp -dM
< 1220781372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, add "!defined(__CYGWIN__) &&"
< 1220781375 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what the fuck i have to switch gcc for gdc?
< 1220781382 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ?
< 1220781392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm ok
< 1220781400 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i hate how gcc language stuff requires compiling another gcc
< 1220781404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of plugging it into your existing one
< 1220781409 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, quite
< 1220781422 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a dmd for os x yet...
< 1220781424 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn
< 1220781426 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1220781427 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful
< 1220781438 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was easy the last time i did it
< 1220781438 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1220781473 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: btw, I get many warnings building cfunge
< 1220781479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, like?
< 1220781484 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly implicit declarations
< 1220781491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "warning: #warning is a GCC extension"
< 1220781493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm, I do include all headers I think
< 1220781503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh right.. that one
< 1220781508 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also redundant redeclarations
< 1220781513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, like?
< 1220781513 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: warning: stack overflow
< 1220781514 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nested extern declarations
< 1220781518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :care to pastebin some
< 1220781546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, because I suspect many of those are in system headers, since cfunge turns on lots of warnings, that could lead to warnings about stuff in system headers
< 1220781580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly don't get those warnings here you see
< 1220781596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get *two* warnings, both in genx that tusho recommended
< 1220781598 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baah, the paste broke, http://rafb.net/p/RMegHR33.html
< 1220781617 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oooh so sorrrryyy!
< 1220781621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. cool breakage
< 1220781625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the pastye
< 1220781627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste*
< 1220781628 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I resized the window
< 1220781638 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and expected that it wouldn't break copying from it
< 1220781641 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently I was wrong
< 1220781657 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just redirect make to a file
< 1220781661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:/Progging/funge/others/cfunge-0.3.1/src/fingerprints/TURT/TURT.c: In function                                                                     `GenerateCircle':
< 1220781661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:/Progging/funge/others/cfunge-0.3.1/src/fingerprints/TURT/TURT.c:475: warning:                                                                     nested extern declaration of `snprintf'
< 1220781661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<internal>:0: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'snprintf'
< 1220781667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, that makes no sense
< 1220781673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do include the right header before
< 1220781688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how could it be nested extern decl
< 1220781711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it was, it couldn't be redundant redeclaration
< 1220781734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those two warnings are mutually exclusive
< 1220781747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if you trust what the gcc man page says about them
< 1220781778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, somehow I suspect cygwin is doing something strange that breaks when you turn on lots of warning flags in GCC
< 1220781803 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more legible: http://rafb.net/p/RPxTt679.html
< 1220781832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, lets see here:
< 1220781833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:/Progging/funge/others/cfunge-0.3.1/lib/genx/genx.c: In function `storePrefix':
< 1220781833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:/Progging/funge/others/cfunge-0.3.1/lib/genx/genx.c:345: warning: implicit declaration of function `snprintf'
< 1220781833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:/Progging/funge/others/cfunge-0.3.1/lib/genx/genx.c:345: warning: nested extern declaration of `snprintf'
< 1220781833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<internal>:0: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'snprintf'
< 1220781842 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I'm just reporting
< 1220781842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that seem rather strange to you?
< 1220781850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just lets see if you agree with me
< 1220781850 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what "nested extern" means
< 1220781855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, means putting:
< 1220781859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extern foo();
< 1220781862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside a function
< 1220781875 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so snprintf is probably a macro
< 1220781911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it would also happen if you haven't included the right header. *but* I do include the right header. and it can't also be "redundant redeclaration" then
< 1220781921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of those warnings are mutually exclusive
< 1220781956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snprintf needs #include <stdio.h>
< 1220781959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to man page
< 1220781963 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: some SOCK/SCKE fails in mycology
< 1220781964 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i talk in a row a lot
< 1220781968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it annoys anyone
< 1220781973 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it annoy any of you?
< 1220781974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not here hm
< 1220781979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've gone 10-15 interrupted i think
< 1220781981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, with what does it fail on cygwin?
< 1220781983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :average 3-4
< 1220781984 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: couldn't close original socket with K
< 1220781989 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then in SCKE
< 1220781989 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: need working B to test P
< 1220782009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh? that's odd... let me see
< 1220782024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	if (shutdown(sockets[s]->fd, SHUT_RDWR) == -1) {
< 1220782024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		goto error;
< 1220782024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	}
< 1220782029 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what Mycology version do you have?
< 1220782029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	if (close(sockets[s]->fd) == -1) {
< 1220782029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		goto error;
< 1220782029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	}
< 1220782062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the one after you fixed the lock up in rc/funge and cfunge
< 1220782069 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what version
< 1220782076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, where does it say?
< 1220782083 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the latest date in readme.txt
< 1220782087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sec
< 1220782105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        2008-08-30    - Fixed the case where SCKE is included in SOCK.
< 1220782113 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1220782118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too old?
< 1220782122 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new enough
< 1220782130 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newest released, I think
< 1220782182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, src/fingerprints/SOCK/SOCK.c, try adding something perror("K failed:" in FingerSOCKkill() after line 252
< 1220782187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error:
< 1220782187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	FreeHandle(s);
< 1220782189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between those lines
< 1220782190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is
< 1220782212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would say what went wrong at least with K
< 1220782251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and you have to add an include for stdio.h too to that file Deewiant
< 1220782269 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K failed:: Transport endpoint is not connected
< 1220782300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220782327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok, that's strange... you see there is both a shutdown() and a close() call above
< 1220782336 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B failed:: Address already in use
< 1220782344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, try adding some code to print to see which of those that fails
< 1220782346 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense, because the K failed
< 1220782353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes sure does
< 1220782388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly something doesn't like shutdown on a socket that didn't connect
< 1220782388 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: shutdown fails
< 1220782402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, try to make it keep going to close after shutdown instead
< 1220782410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that may be the bug
< 1220782432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just remove the if bit over shutdown
< 1220782439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ignore the return value of shutdown()
< 1220782440 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fine if I comment out the goto error after shutdown
< 1220782471 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: like the man page says
< 1220782471 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENOTCONN
< 1220782472 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    The specified socket is not connected.
< 1220782477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, right, *fixes that*, seems like linux, *bsd and OS X accepts shutdown on a non-connected socket though
< 1220782481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it doesn't fail here
< 1220782487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes
< 1220782491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it looks like cygwin is more POSIX-compliant here ;-)
< 1220782503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and yes I fixed it locally, will commit soon
< 1220782512 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pwnt
< 1220782514 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220782518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, not really
< 1220782528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is possible to track down a bug I'm fine with doing so
< 1220782533 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: note the ":D"
< 1220782555 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: append a "&& errno != ENOTCONN" or what?
< 1220782559 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just call the close always
< 1220782581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm looking at man page atm
< 1220782594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just calling close anyway probably
< 1220782629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EBADF, ENOTCONN and ENOTSOCK will not cause any kind of horrible failure as far as I can see
< 1220782669 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whatever, that's that
< 1220782714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, right. and what about the compile failure in 3DSP? Any idea of cause?
< 1220782735 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was *l functions being used
< 1220782737 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sinl etc
< 1220782743 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link errors resulted
< 1220782758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah it doesn't implement those?
< 1220782769 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently not if they don't link
< 1220782790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they are part of C99. But since older FreeBSD also miss them I was planning to add some sort of detection and fallback to non-l versions
< 1220782797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that will be in next version too
< 1220782909 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We are happy to announce that W3C has integrated a version of HTML 5 conformance checker into a beta instance of the W3C Markup validator. That will help us to detect bugs, improve the user interface, and benefit from the large W3C communities"
< 1220782910 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woop woop
< 1220782967 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice
< 1220782997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qa-dev.w3.org/wmvs/HEAD/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Feso-std.org%2F&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0
< 1220782998 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woop woop
< 1220783009 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ugly button yet, though :P
< 1220783075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok, those fixes are in, the l vs. non-l math ones will probably be done later today
< 1220783088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway now you can put that on the mycology results page :)
< 1220783102 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today I think I will finally buy tusho.net
< 1220783111 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and go "woop woop" again
< 1220783117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, these were in r406. btw
< 1220783121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trunk
< 1220783158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :revision-id: anmaster@envbot.org-20080907092316-eczkdchbs861mm1s
< 1220783203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"meep meep"
< 1220783208 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nah, I need to run it in an environment where everything works
< 1220783231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well, some of those you may never be able to get working under cygwin
< 1220783236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least some of the fingerprints
< 1220783243 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly, so I need to run it on a linux machine
< 1220783249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1220783251 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like RC/Funge, so that I can get TURT results
< 1220783278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what ones was it you had disabled on cygwin now again?
< 1220783296 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember, see the scrollback
< 1220783325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3DSP,FIXP,PERL,REXP,TERM right
< 1220783357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3DSP, FIXP, well those use sinl and such. PERL was _Exit. REXP and TERM.... not sure what could go wrong on cygwin in those
< 1220783472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, 3DSP does not use sinl?
< 1220783520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm at loss what was the issue in 3DSP
< 1220783568 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220783590 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wtf happened to http://eso-std.org/ :|
< 1220783612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STRING, expecting ';' in /home/tusho/www/eso-std.org/user/themes/tusho-blogs/header.php on line 1
< 1220783618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a php error
< 1220783625 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you AnMaster, I kind of knew that.
< 1220783629 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1220783636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now known as CaptainObvious
< 1220783671 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Jesus loves you"
< 1220783673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, possibly: echo $a "foo" could cause it, that is a missing . between variable and string
< 1220783689 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, no concatenation going on here
< 1220783691 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a template file
< 1220783693 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a code file
< 1220783697 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just simple function calls and loops etc
< 1220783709 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, I can even paste the whole thing
< 1220783731 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the reason it is 1 line is because I automatically compact it before uploading, probably a placebo but it feels more compact... might stop doing that :P)
< 1220783733 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<?php if (!defined('HABARI_PATH' )) { die;} ?><!DOCTYPE html><html lang="en"><head><title><?php if ($request->display_entry && isset($post)) { echo $post->title;} else { Options::out('title');} ?></title><link rel="alternate" type="application/atom+xml" title="Feed" href="<?php $theme->feed_alternate();?>"><link rel="stylesheet" media="screen" href="<?php Site::out_url('theme');?>/style.css"></head><body><div id="header"><h1><a href="<?php Site::out_url('haba
< 1220783739 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that get through
< 1220783741 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, where was it cut off
< 1220783756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, where on that line
< 1220783761 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: did it get cut off
< 1220783762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<?php Site::out_url('hab
< 1220783764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the end
< 1220783767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however
< 1220783771 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bari') ?>"><?php Options::out('title') ?></a></h1><nav><ul><?php for ($page in $pages) { ?><li><a href="<?php echo $page->permalink ?>"><?php echo $page->title_out ?></a></li><?php } ?></ul></nav></div><section id="content">
< 1220783774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inserting newlines would help locate the error
< 1220783781 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes it would :p
< 1220783781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :</ul></nav></div><section id="content">
< 1220783783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time
< 1220783786 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220783788 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the full thing then
< 1220783791 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1220783795 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a non-compacted version here
< 1220783799 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no obvious causes for the error
< 1220783804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, try the non-compacted one on server
< 1220783808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what line it fails on
< 1220783814 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea probably a good idea
< 1220783819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :site::out_url() doesn't have a ";", does the next statement just concatenate after it with multiple <?php>'s?
< 1220783851 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220783861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right of course not that would make no sense
< 1220783871 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220783873 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1220783873 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      <?php for ($page in $pages) { ?>
< 1220783879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, lets see, assuming \n newlines, you save 1 byte / line per file by removing newlines?
< 1220783880 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be foreach ($pages as $page)
< 1220783882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.<
< 1220783890 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, no, much more
< 1220783894 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since, newlines in loops duplicate
< 1220783899 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also it strips out general whitespace to
< 1220783903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah. hm
< 1220783907 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before the stuff was like 3 pages of lines not longer than 30 chars
< 1220783914 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's 3 lines of ... well, a lot, but quite a bit less than before
< 1220783934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gzipping the output on there too, it's still not as fast as some sites but it's very zippy compared to most
< 1220783951 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's just a 25 line shell script to compress&upload
< 1220783958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, for 1100 baud modems? ;)
< 1220783963 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220783968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that it really doesn't matter
< 1220783970 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220783974 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$pages isn't predefined...odd
< 1220783975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are over optimising
< 1220783975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220783993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually i tested it when i made that script and it was a little faster
< 1220783994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so if you ever claim that I am, you are just a hypocrite :P
< 1220783998 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have seen the whitespace it generated without it
< 1220784001 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, literally, tons
< 1220784007 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newlines and like 5 spaces in a row all over the place
< 1220784011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, did you do profiling?
< 1220784014 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not over-optimizing, it's making the output sane ;)
< 1220784021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes. i reloaded a page and reloaded after compression.
< 1220784024 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was faster.
< 1220784031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, how did you measure?
< 1220784035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by wall clock?
< 1220784038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by feeling?
< 1220784039 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: human perception.
< 1220784039 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220784046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very exact
< 1220784048 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 24 lines of shell script i don't really care if it's placebo
< 1220784057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah
< 1220784081 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just some trivial sed incantations that 1. makes the output of the templates look nicer (that whitespace abuse is really ugly) 2. save me a miniscule amount of bandwidth & make the site a miniscule amount faster & save a miniscule amount of disc
< 1220784083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*disk
< 1220784090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a good deal to me
< 1220784127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1220784148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and make finding cause of error a lot harder
< 1220784158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Notice: Undefined variable: pages in user/themes/tusho-blogs/header.php line 1" yes
< 1220784165 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, that one was easy
< 1220784172 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought $pages was predefined for themes
< 1220784173 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns not
< 1220784180 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i just have to comment out the compression
< 1220784189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
< 1220784194 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, the php calls are trivial that the only time i get it wrong are when i do things like that for thing
< 1220784202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because php's syntax is stupid and my brain wants it to not be :D
< 1220784207 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i meant for debugging
< 1220784216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what do you think about the source of http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/cfunge/
< 1220784216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1220784224 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's xhtml 1.1
< 1220784225 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220784228 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, :(
< 1220784229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, apart from that?
< 1220784237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's fine
< 1220784248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, do you think it is generated or hand written?
< 1220784249 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though
< 1220784251 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why &quot;?
< 1220784258 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: knowing you hand written
< 1220784271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well hand written since it is a rather simple page
< 1220784274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need php
< 1220784276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such
< 1220784279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for such a siumple
< 1220784288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, why not &quot;?
< 1220784301 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it makes reading&editing the source more obscure and is unneeded when you coudl just use "
< 1220784313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true
< 1220784313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although " isn't a quotation mark.
< 1220784319 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :&ldquo; and &rdquo; are :P
< 1220784340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, if I want good typography I would use LaTeX not html :P
< 1220784378 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: another comment on that page is that I'm not a fan of the background colour
< 1220784380 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's it
< 1220784392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you mean off-white color?
< 1220784398 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, it makes it harder to read the text for me
< 1220784415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well I need non-white since it is hard to read for some if it is white
< 1220784421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the name of the condition
< 1220784422 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why specify it at all
< 1220784430 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those people will have it set in their preferences
< 1220784444 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :additionally your link colours are almost the browsers default, the only thing you really need is:
< 1220784449 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<body style="font-family: sans-serif">
< 1220784455 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220784461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :img{border:0}
< 1220784461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too
< 1220784462 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want a <style> for the img { border:0}
< 1220784465 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1220784471 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'd just have the sans-serif and the img border thing
< 1220784476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, anwyay I shall think about colors
< 1220784479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the page is *almost* defaults
< 1220784490 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the conditiony people will have better defaults for themselves anyway
< 1220784513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, your have a bg image, that is even worse then ;)
< 1220784521 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, I'm fine with styling
< 1220784531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1220784535 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when it's almost defaults and the reason for the most obvious non-default is so that non-accessible users get it better...
< 1220784544 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you might just wanna let the user's browser decide anyway :P
< 1220784571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, but I want to set some colours, and if you set any you should set most according to w3c
< 1220784582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why do you want to set some colours
< 1220784597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the default link colors are worse
< 1220784599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only real thing you change is link hover (which doesn't really matter), and visited link(very close to the default anyway)
< 1220784605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very noticable
< 1220784624 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus i am sure there are people who find it very hard to read lower-contrast stuff
< 1220784631 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's harder, but still not very hard to read for me
< 1220784635 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't please everyone :^)
< 1220784648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed you can't please everyone
< 1220784655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why please you ;P
< 1220784665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why please the people with that condition
< 1220784672 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can please everyone by letting them decide
< 1220784676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via their browser :P
< 1220784697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qa-dev.w3.org/wmvs/HEAD/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Feso-std.org%2F&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0
< 1220784697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fails
< 1220784703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error  Line 3, Column 351: Element pre not allowed as child of element ul in this context. (Suppressing further errors from this subtree.).
< 1220784704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…O</a></h1><nav><ul><pre class="error">
< 1220784707 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1220784709 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the php error.
< 1220784719 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i am about to fix.
< 1220784725 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had to find the habari function i needed to define $pages
< 1220784739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qa-dev.w3.org/wmvs/HEAD/check?uri=http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/cfunge/&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0 <-- huh "Line 4615, Column 0: character "]" not allowed in declaration subset"
< 1220784740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220784745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have that many lines
< 1220784759 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's a beta version
< 1220784764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah yes true
< 1220784769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird breakage though
< 1220784770 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220784776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, agreed
< 1220784800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, nor do I have the line ] anywhere
< 1220784811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220784812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the char
< 1220784816 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's an error in the xhtml 1.1 dtd it uses
< 1220784818 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely
< 1220784821 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"declaration subset"
< 1220784823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah sounds reasonable
< 1220784826 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ] features in dtd definitions a lot
< 1220784827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably
< 1220784832 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course it's gonna be long
< 1220784849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software error:
< 1220784849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insecure dependency in eval while running with -T switch at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/HTTP/Message.pm line 413.
< 1220784849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For help, please send mail to the webmaster (ot@w3.org), giving this error message and the time and date of the error.
< 1220784870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird url too
< 1220784871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qa-dev.w3.org/wmvs/HEAD/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Frage.kuonet.org%2F%7Eanmaster%2Fcfunge%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=XHTML+1.0+Strict&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.603
< 1220784875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pressed re-validate
< 1220784926 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eso-std.org/ whoops
< 1220784926 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220784935 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot to restrict it to pages only
< 1220784935 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not posts
< 1220785034 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220785037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably in mzingi
< 1220785039 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks
< 1220785111 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1220785128 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Posts::get(array('content_type' => 'page', 'status' => Post::status('published')))
< 1220785139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php is uggly
< 1220785139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220785142 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220785148 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but habari is well-designed and coded and all that
< 1220785169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't change that it is php
< 1220785173 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc not
< 1220785174 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220785185 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220785186 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can understand why they picked php, though
< 1220785198 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know - the whole "most used, understood & deployed" thing :P
< 1220785216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1220785219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except:
< 1220785229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"most misused, misunderstood & misdeployed"
< 1220785233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what you meant
< 1220785236 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1220785241 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter, it works
< 1220785249 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it scales quite often.
< 1220785254 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than rails, at least
< 1220785286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220785289 0 :OkloThePol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220785423 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eso-std.org/ hmm, why is that happening...
< 1220785496 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.css3.info/preview/box-shadow/ i'd so use this for the menu bar if ff3 supported it. :p
< 1220785507 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t'would look quite neat
< 1220785510 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewll
< 1220785511 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*well
< 1220785515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less exaggerated than those examples ofc
< 1220785558 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220785726 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220785752 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why
< 1220785763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesomecakes
< 1220785765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works perfectly
< 1220785945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm?
< 1220785970 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: btw
< 1220785973 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :view the source of http://eso-std.org/
< 1220785977 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i put the non-whitespace-compressed version up
< 1220785981 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is definitely noticably slower
< 1220785990 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the page code is just wasteful & ugly & silly
< 1220786005 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    <a href="http://eso-std.org/experment#comments" rel="comments">
< 1220786005 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :            4       comments</a>.
< 1220786241 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: agreed?
< 1220786470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1220786496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, why not use php-tidy?
< 1220786501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1220786514 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: more processing work & if i'm gonna warp it to avoid that wasteful ugly whitespace I might as well just make it tiny
< 1220786525 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's only 24 lines of shell. less actually
< 1220786526 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 10
< 1220786530 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it handles uploading already
< 1220786544 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just counted, 8 lines
< 1220786599 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220786600 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220787052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220787054 0 :OkloThePol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220787848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm ok
< 1220788755 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-117-12.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220788792 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220789068 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220789069 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220789090 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot ?
< 1220789091 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: ...this is too good to pass up.
< 1220789106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220789106 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | and if game designers want to keep making things more realistic without spending *billions* on each new game, it's necessary.
< 1220789114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220789115 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | right
< 1220789116 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220789117 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Among other things, that compiler has the idea of scope. Mine has just a global scope. . .
< 1220789124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring
< 1220789125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220789126 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | goedle showed that if you have a formal system(??) that is strong enough(??) there are things that aren't part of the system.. but the negation of the ting isn't part of the system either...
< 1220789142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220789143 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | hmm... actually i might be wrong about you being american
< 1220789147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220789148 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ...or that
< 1220789151 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220789152 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Put it at the unicode name.
< 1220789154 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220789155 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | øø
< 1220789162 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220789163 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | augur : There is one!
< 1220789176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i'm not sure i'm satisfied with anything :)
< 1220789185 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is quality flood
< 1220789186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220789187 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | or rather I wrote a substantial part of that code
< 1220789191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220789192 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | writing a whole OS in BF would be mind-boggling.
< 1220789199 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is ok
< 1220789562 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220789971 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot
< 1220789971 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: %reduce $$^x^yx^x^yx^x^yy
< 1220789972 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220789973 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | >>> bf ;* <<< 10
< 1220789975 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220789976 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Personally my experiences wrt. the fixability of Debian and Gentoo have been exactly the opposite, but on the other hand I haven't touched Gentoo since 2003 or so.
< 1220789978 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220789979 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | partly because nobody believes you until they've seen the code
< 1220789983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220789984 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | that's essentially what we need.... multiple interpreters.
< 1220789988 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1220789989 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220789991 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although
< 1220789993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the preivous one
< 1220790203 0 :OkloThePol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220790204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220790335 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220790764 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220790764 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220791524 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol:
< 1220791527 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you lie
< 1220791528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eso-std.org/why-i-ve-seen-a-goddamn-post-on-here-that-tests#comment-29
< 1220791531 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly I am oklopol
< 1220791760 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my poor duck.... with no beak :'(
< 1220792670 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1220792711 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for 3DSP, FP_ZERO doesn't exist
< 1220792754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm that is in C99 specs. sorry
< 1220792771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no other way to avoid "floating point ==" warning
< 1220792796 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"floating point ==" warning is often stupid and wrong
< 1220792844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and this is legal C99 still
< 1220792845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hm
< 1220792866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway did you try it on linux?
< 1220792875 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1220792922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef FP_ZERO
< 1220792922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	if (fpclassify(v[2]) != FP_ZERO)
< 1220792922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#else
< 1220792922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	if (v[2] != 0)
< 1220792922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif
< 1220792924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should fix it
< 1220793739 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220793955 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am green
< 1220793957 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I power lots of machines
< 1220793961 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I am not lean, nor do I clean
< 1220793969 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*machine rhymes a bit more
< 1220794152 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220794462 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@m-240.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220794862 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: heh, still working on that GDC
< 1220794869 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220794874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just waiting for someone to give me instructions
< 1220794880 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pretending to be thinking about it intently to any who asks
< 1220794882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ask
< 1220794895 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1220794909 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't be bothered to try building GCC?
< 1220795313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1220795316 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1220795596 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1220795630 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp, that's what he's making you do anyway
< 1220795670 0 :ihope!n=Peggy@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220796996 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220797503 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@m-81.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220797650 0 :OkloThePol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220797651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220799169 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your trial activation key will expire in 3 days. Please purchase a permanent activation key in order to ensure continuous use of the product after the trial period expires.
< 1220799172 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go fuck a butt parallels
< 1220799558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, will you reset your clock or what will you do?
< 1220799571 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: find a key somewhere i guess.
< 1220799579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, not uninstall it?
< 1220799592 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, because i'd quite like to ... you know. use it
< 1220799602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, there are plenty of free such apps for linux you know
< 1220799609 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for os x
< 1220799615 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but parallels is faster & has coherence mode
< 1220799617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtualbox, vmware-server, qemu....
< 1220799623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, virtualbox got that
< 1220799627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc some vmware one too
< 1220799627 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes but it's slower
< 1220799640 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, even with coherence mode, parallels takes it to an extreme
< 1220799648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seamless drag-n-drop, a dock icon for each windows app, etc
< 1220799653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very pleasant and I don't feel like giving it up
< 1220799666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pay for it?
< 1220799676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it costs a ton
< 1220799690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme check how much
< 1220800061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: $80
< 1220800072 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :531 sek
< 1220800083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£45
< 1220800087 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :56 €
< 1220800089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220800091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a bit
< 1220800102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I would just not use the software
< 1220800120 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that would be an option if I didn't have a use & indeed regularly do use its features
< 1220800137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOL
< 1220800142 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually i'm not
< 1220800144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i can pirate it
< 1220800145 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray
< 1220800157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, not nice
< 1220800171 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :piracy isn't theft, I have next to no moral qualms with it
< 1220800178 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a relatively fair price to pay for an indefinite license if you use it a lot
< 1220800207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, tried rc/funge and cfunge on linux yet?
< 1220800207 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: apart from the fact that I just *don't have* that kind of money to give on a piece of software that happens to make my game & web developing life easier
< 1220800213 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nope
< 1220800217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok
< 1220800255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food
< 1220800257 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: so you're SOL like AnMaster said, you can't get the best software you want :-P
< 1220800268 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes i can, I can pirate it. :p
< 1220800275 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1220800359 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :piracy is wrong and mean
< 1220800364 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1220800383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—NickServ— This nickname is registered. <<< read this as "this nickname is retarded"
< 1220800390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hey thanks nickserv!"
< 1220800429 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"piracy is wrong and mean" <- disagreed. :p
< 1220800523 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really give a shit, especially as i don't really think i'm going to be a programmer when i grow up
< 1220800553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like a computer scientist or something
< 1220800555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be hot
< 1220801116 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Now WHY is that happening.
< 1220801135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, how old are you?
< 1220801143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm about your age
< 1220801158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-------------)
< 1220801159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18?
< 1220801167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no more like 19
< 1220801183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok, I will be 19 before the end of the year
< 1220801194 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop making me feel old, you people :-P
< 1220801199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, your age?
< 1220801205 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21
< 1220801206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1220801206 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20
< 1220801206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 is my guess
< 1220801209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry
< 1220801212 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1220801222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 20 isn't old really
< 1220801223 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 in january
< 1220801252 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari is 36
< 1220801253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 32
< 1220801255 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the two.
< 1220801259 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 32.
< 1220801267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is the oldest person here?
< 1220801286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is somewhere around that too, 3x
< 1220801354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220801473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I got the design plan for a 98 version of efunge pretty much done, except I'm not sure how to do fingerprints at all
< 1220801524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, who was it that was making a haskell funge?
< 1220801534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what was the url
< 1220801540 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funktio
< 1220801544 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember the URL
< 1220801557 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google hsfunge, you may find it
< 1220801562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hsfunge, ok
< 1220801571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your search - hsfunge - did not match any documents.
< 1220801580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funktio, hey what was the url to your funge?
< 1220801770 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I've got my first release of DFParser done
< 1220801792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it
< 1220801794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://funktio.awardspace.com/misc/hsfunge/
< 1220801798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ^
< 1220801847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1220802132 0 :OkloThePol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220802132 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220802284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I assume you want that on your mycology page too
< 1220802336 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | now you can't solve the problem "two threads on a dual cpu system being able to transfer data between them using a queue" problem one one of those systems
< 1220802375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funktio, there? I tried to compile hsfunge but got this error:
< 1220802380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fingerprints.hs:23:7:
< 1220802380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Could not find module `Data.Time.Calendar.Julian':
< 1220802380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Use -v to see a list of the files searched for.
< 1220802387 0 :funktio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1220802405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ghc --version
< 1220802406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 6.8.2
< 1220802406 0 :funktio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your ghc version?
< 1220802420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system is Gentoo Linux x86_64
< 1220802440 0 :funktio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be in the libraries that come with ghc: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/time/Data-Time-Calendar-Julian.html
< 1220802453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funktio, I know no haskell, just wanted to try it out
< 1220802456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that means nothing to me
< 1220802472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I use the binary useflag for haskell, so that means some binary download, not locally compiled one
< 1220802473 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is prescient? At least here the version output appeared before funktio's question.
< 1220802500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no, just trying to be helpful
< 1220802506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that would be a question I would ask
< 1220802515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're trying to hide your freaky mutant powers by saying that.
< 1220802532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if I had such powers, wouldn't I be able to fix this error?
< 1220802549 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the powers are limited? How would I know, I'm not the prescient one here.
< 1220802556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1220802571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway funktio, what commands should I try next?
< 1220802587 0 :funktio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1220802633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs a check to see if all md5sums matches on the ghc package
< 1220802637 0 :fungot!n=fungot@qeq4.kyla.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220802668 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ho, had completely forgotten to revive fungot after having to reboot that computer.
< 1220802669 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: night folks :) well the simple solution is to have
< 1220802673 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ghc-6.8.2: internal error: R_X86_64_32S relocation out of range: (noname) = 0x7fa8eb7e54f8"
< 1220802686 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the GHC error hasn't magically vanished over here.
< 1220802753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long has haskell existed?
< 1220802762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how mature is it seen in years
< 1220802764 0 :funktio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost 20 years, I think
< 1220802767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220802773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why so much more popular these days?
< 1220802784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I only heard about haskell a few years ago
< 1220802851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funktio, all files but /usr/lib64/ghc-6.8.2/package.conf match so far, scan is still running
< 1220802870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea about that package.conf, from the look of it, it looks like other packages may have changed it
< 1220802898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. no
< 1220802900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait yes
< 1220802917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some dep for darcs
< 1220802968 0 :funktio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220802979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scan finished, just that one changed
< 1220802992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that other haskell libraries add themself into that file
< 1220802998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems to be the case reading it
< 1220803005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs work here btw
< 1220803013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiled from source
< 1220803102 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: haskell has experienced a growth
< 1220803106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like ruby a few years ago
< 1220803108 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except less chaotic
< 1220803111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, heh
< 1220803126 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, haskell derived from Miranda (1987) and such
< 1220803126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang is experiencing such a growth around now I think
< 1220803133 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the latest standard revision being 1998
< 1220803143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but far far more slow and stuff, so barely notiacble
< 1220803149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, wikipedia says haskell "Appeared in 	1990"
< 1220803155 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yea
< 1220803166 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the last conference and the standard resulting, etc, is Haskell'98
< 1220803181 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next version, colloquially Haskell' (Haskell Prime) is being worked on slowly
< 1220803187 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via the interweb
< 1220803235 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uploads.co2games.com/DFParser.exe :D
< 1220803425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was actually the source being posted I might have looked at it... but posting a windows binary... how useless
< 1220803448 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220803471 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you want the source?
< 1220803508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first I got no windows, only linux, second I wouldn't trust a binary
< 1220803520 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would
< 1220803521 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220803522 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1220803527 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the nix :<
< 1220803528 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1220803530 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklofok
< 1220803536 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1220803713 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1220803776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: 'why the ni
< 1220803777 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x'?
< 1220803790 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what nix
< 1220803836 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Won't be back for a while..."
< 1220803945 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: what do you mean
< 1220803962 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1220803969 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does it say why the nix?
< 1220803976 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220803977 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was oklopol
< 1220803980 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220803989 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused now
< 1220804007 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nix is the plural form of nick.
< 1220804010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, the *normal* way in the esoteric community is to publish the source
< 1220804054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it an official way btw?
< 1220804061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: shut up
< 1220804066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, source would be nice
< 1220804071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# does indicate that
< 1220804072 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're insinuating that he's posted a virus in #esoteric
< 1220804101 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220804128 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :viruses are awesome, i wish they were legal to create and spread
< 1220804136 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that would pwn
< 1220804151 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could infect school computer systems for fun
< 1220804154 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only nice viruses though
< 1220804157 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1220804159 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ones that put mice on your screen
< 1220804160 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that run around
< 1220804162 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you click them
< 1220804167 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they stop
< 1220804168 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever
< 1220804171 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more of worms
< 1220804171 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can never move them
< 1220804173 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replicating
< 1220804179 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, i know!
< 1220804191 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see the other's desktop
< 1220804197 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mouse runs on to the others from yours
< 1220804197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking more like invisible ones
< 1220804198 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time it is run it is a rick roll and changes its name
< 1220804202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you see it poop some germs out
< 1220804204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then walk back
< 1220804210 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then germs turn into another worm
< 1220804225 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1220804229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the rat is moving across on to the others
< 1220804235 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything you say into the microphone is said by your rat
< 1220804237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other's computer
< 1220804241 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the 10th time it shows meatspin porn
< 1220804254 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then beeps a lot
< 1220804259 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And starts swearing
< 1220804260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ppl are weird.
< 1220804296 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes we are
< 1220804301 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1220804309 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think I should post the source?
< 1220804331 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, i prefer programs being black boxes.
< 1220804338 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220804362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol?
< 1220804418 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I should post the source?
< 1220804426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, definitely
< 1220804432 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eek alright
< 1220804462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see i can just give random responses until you're happy :)
< 1220804472 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220804479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called simulated annealing
< 1220804487 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1220804488 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1220804496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, fungot doesn't want any source.
< 1220804496 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the reason why he wanted the xml/ xslt step there
< 1220804507 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Was what?
< 1220804508 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in that case."
< 1220804518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't get it. :/
< 1220804698 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1220804699 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1220804707 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't ftp to my site
< 1220804761 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: pastebin.ca
< 1220804771 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1220804776 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more than one file
< 1220804908 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So paste them all with //filename at the top,
< 1220804910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I think it is possible to complete every task in a non-turing complete language, to be exact some specific non-turing complete language
< 1220804921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from making a turing complete language interpreter
< 1220804957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need something like HQ8+ but with one extra instruction, for the task you want to handle
< 1220804968 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure.
< 1220804993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ...duh...
< 1220805023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it was a joke :P
< 1220805023 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a program sees a character and reacts to it it can do anything it wants!
< 1220805025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomggg!
< 1220805029 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it wasn't very funny
< 1220805030 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh perhaps I should have zipped it
< 1220805037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: perhaps you should pastebin it
< 1220805050 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220805180 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://co2games.com/DrainFuck.zip
< 1220805405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache.cpp?
< 1220805418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf?
< 1220805425 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah I know it shouldn't be a class but I might work with it some more
< 1220805436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck does it do?
< 1220805442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm no C++ programmer
< 1220805454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wondering if you were doing what I thought you were
< 1220805455 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....
< 1220805458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing some CPU cache
< 1220805461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in software
< 1220805462 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh haha no
< 1220805479 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a wrapper for an "unsigned short" that does not do much.
< 1220805486 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1220805520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrapper for unsigned short
< 1220805521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1220805523 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why I used it I will never no
< 1220805524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1220805527 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :know*
< 1220805536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the code needs nonstandard itoa, _getch and <conio.h>, although that's pretty trivial to fix if you want it to compile on a Unixy system.
< 1220805550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conio.h?
< 1220805552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of that
< 1220805585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has that _getch, which does "get a character from the keyboard in an unbuffered way".
< 1220805597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. well that is silly
< 1220805616 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only way I saw
< 1220805626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, won't work on anything but windows then
< 1220805628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1220805635 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf
< 1220805642 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo
< 1220805665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> And the code needs nonstandard itoa, _getch and <conio.h>, although that's pretty trivial to fix if you want it to compile on a Unixy system.
< 1220805668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as he said
< 1220805691 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how do I get something like getch that works on unix systems?
< 1220805705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, the POSIXy way (tcsetattr to mangle terminal modes, plus fgetc) won't work on Windows.
< 1220805721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, using ncurses could work on both I guess
< 1220805729 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, #ifdef
< 1220805751 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef _WIN32 and #ifdef __unix__
< 1220805756 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If you have a Windows curses implementation. There is at least pdcurses that I know of.
< 1220805763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just use getch() CO2Games?
< 1220805764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220805769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressing enter for input is standard brainfuck behaviour
< 1220805774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAME
< 1220805774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       getch, wgetch, mvgetch, mvwgetch, ungetch, has_key - get (or push back) characters from curses terminal keyboard
< 1220805774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYNOPSIS
< 1220805774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       #include <curses.h>
< 1220805776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one?
< 1220805778 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehh no it isn't
< 1220805787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you mean getchar
< 1220805788 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: yes it is
< 1220805789 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think tusho means getchar/fgetc.
< 1220805790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1220805796 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh no
< 1220805796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: see: every interpreter ever
< 1220805801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could bombard you with c sources if you want
< 1220805805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1220805805 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about compilers
< 1220805808 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1220805816 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're the newbie and I've written like 10 brainfuck interpreters and a few compilers and read many more...
< 1220805820 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...i'd just trust me on this one
< 1220805821 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfucking Machine gets a single character
< 1220805826 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enter for input is very standard behaviour
< 1220805832 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: then it is the exception
< 1220805849 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But pressing enter for a single character is SO inefficient
< 1220805853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, gets a single char from the existing buffer yes
< 1220805859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you enter a line
< 1220805860 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you enter a line at a time CO2Games
< 1220805862 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. for ,[.,]
< 1220805864 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world<ENTER>
< 1220805865 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world
< 1220805871 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you said what i said<ENTER>
< 1220805872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you said what i said
< 1220805877 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh no
< 1220805879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: yes
< 1220805881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes
< 1220805887 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1220805889 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is how every brainfuck interp works, apart from broken ones
< 1220805896 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooo
< 1220805898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220805898 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeeeeeeeeeees
< 1220805906 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enter is not the way this should be done
< 1220805910 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes it is.
< 1220805914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well don't bother us then
< 1220805927 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides I had to google a lot of shit to find getch
< 1220805930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses line buffered input
< 1220805934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, so what?
< 1220805940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean you are right
< 1220805958 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So lemee get this straight
< 1220805968 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[.,] echos input after a newline
< 1220805969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly simple
< 1220805975 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: it's simple
< 1220805977 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the source for , is
< 1220805983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :value_of_tape_at_pointer = getchar()
< 1220805984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of
< 1220805986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :value_of_tape_at_pointer = _getch()
< 1220805995 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well shit.
< 1220806000 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That blows.
< 1220806005 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: no it does not
< 1220806013 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a lot better than your version for a wide variety of programs
< 1220806040 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think about games. What if you had to press enter every time you pressed w
< 1220806060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you couldn't write a game in brainfuck
< 1220806063 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, that is a totally different issue
< 1220806068 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :games access the keyboard directly
< 1220806072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is lostkingdom
< 1220806076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a game
< 1220806081 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it's a text adventure
< 1220806082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line based
< 1220806084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220806084 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the FPS style he is thinking of
< 1220806098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fps game would suck in brainfuck
< 1220806137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one thing, with _getch() like that the "speed" of the game would depend on your keyboard repeat rate and only move when you have some key pressed.
< 1220806171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1220806172 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or does it return immediately if there's a key pressed? It might do that. Doesn't help much with the timing of a game there.)
< 1220806177 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine I'll go back to getchar
< 1220806210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, would work for turn based games like nethack though
< 1220806215 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what is it I'm supposed to do about itoa
< 1220806221 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not use it/
< 1220806229 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1220806234 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what do I use?
< 1220806238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snprintf for example
< 1220806242 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :restructure your code so you don't have to use it
< 1220806246 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. what are you using it for?
< 1220806253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts(itoa(foo))?
< 1220806257 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1220806258 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use printf("%i", foo)
< 1220806260 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1220806265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1220806269 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh fine
< 1220806279 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more memory-efficient anyway
< 1220806285 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you should free() the itoa return iirc
< 1220806293 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1220806315 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This itoa looks like it uses a supplied buffer.
< 1220806319 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so printf( prints to the screen?
< 1220806332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the fcking man pages?
< 1220806338 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what man pages
< 1220806338 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char itoabuf[20]; puts(itoa(parseresult,itoabuf,10)); ... still, there's no reason not to use printf there.
< 1220806361 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, I'm on windows
< 1220806376 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Visual C++ has the MSDN documentation installed usually.
< 1220806387 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah ok
< 1220806392 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1220806394 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so printf prints to the screen"
< 1220806397 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You, my friend, should stop writing C.
< 1220806399 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Immediately.
< 1220806400 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a C library reference in there somewhere, I've seen it.
< 1220806407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the fcking msdn documentation, though I pitty you if you do ;)
< 1220806422 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you wouldn't like him to read the MSDN documentation
< 1220806440 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they typically say stuff like "the POSIX function foo() is deprecated, use the ISO conformant _foo() instead"
< 1220806440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm why not?
< 1220806444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1220806447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is a lie
< 1220806453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no _foo or such
< 1220806454 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lie?
< 1220806458 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure there are
< 1220806466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what ISO spec?
< 1220806471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they talking about
< 1220806472 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, google for that
< 1220806498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yeah printf() is the same level as "hello world"
< 1220806513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or since it is C++ he could just use cout << number;
< 1220806517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that sucks
< 1220806518 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance itoa
< 1220806518 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms235327(VS.80).aspx
< 1220806535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no itoa
< 1220806550 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't itoa a POSIX extension?
< 1220806554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is *NOT* a POSIX function
< 1220806570 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they just call it a "posix function" since it's where they keep other stuff like that.
< 1220806584 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess not, it was just a K&R function
< 1220806597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just common, but not POSIX.
< 1220806618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implement my own one, more like ltostr, since it can handle various odd bases
< 1220806620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use it in BASE
< 1220806623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no where else
< 1220806624 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fprint("%i",foo); right?
< 1220806646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf
< 1220806650 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220806650 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but in any case, "ISO C++ conformant" in MSDN generally means that you should just use _foo because that's what the ISO C++ standard says implementation-defined names should be like
< 1220806653 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah printf
< 1220806664 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence _itoa
< 1220806664 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, the code is C++, not C. (Although it uses C IO and only a couple of bits like some namespace declarations and "<cfoo> instead of <foo.h>" headers.)
< 1220806666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah sucks even more
< 1220806679 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not really
< 1220806691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well it is misleading
< 1220806696 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way it's good that they're saying "this probably won't work on all C++ compilers"
< 1220806698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make ppl think it is portable
< 1220806707 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1220806712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, they forgot "implementation specific"
< 1220806713 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I always use C IO in C++ programs :-P
< 1220806728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always just use C and cut away the C++ crap
< 1220806734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one, C is way more portable
< 1220806737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1220806737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I usually just write C if I have no use for C++.
< 1220806753 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you restrict yourself to POSIX anyway your C is just as portable as C++ :-P
< 1220806756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find C compilers for almost any system made since 1990
< 1220806763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even before that
< 1220806770 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and they won't be POSIX-compliant
< 1220806781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed but I need some stuff from POSIX really
< 1220806791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fork() for example in PERL fingerprint
< 1220806796 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, exactly, so there's no point in using C instead of C++
< 1220806803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree C99 is a bit less common
< 1220806806 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least no /portability/ point
< 1220806811 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a /lot/ less common
< 1220806812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is changing quickly
< 1220806816 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is much more portable than C99
< 1220806821 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it's not really changing
< 1220806825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1220806835 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey do most unix shells support pause?
< 1220806836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both tcc and pcc are aiming for C99
< 1220806841 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like from dos?
< 1220806844 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: none
< 1220806846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, none that I know of
< 1220806849 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1220806855 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm...
< 1220806861 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: if you want to use system("pause") just use getchar() instead
< 1220806865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is quite pointless
< 1220806879 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if there is another char in the buffer
< 1220806882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if the program waits at the end I would kill it
< 1220806919 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: whether you press ^C or enter the results are the same
< 1220806941 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The ^C hurts the program more. :p
< 1220806943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm?
< 1220806958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean abort?
< 1220806960 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're not supposed to use something like that except at the end of main() anyhoo
< 1220806962 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1220806974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed fizzie
< 1220806989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never use system("pause"); at the end of main
< 1220806992 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: would you really open a new shell and "kill -9" without even pressing enter if the program looks to be doing nothing?
< 1220806994 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why
< 1220807009 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: poor UI
< 1220807010 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In windows it vanishes
< 1220807014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why require an extra keypress
< 1220807020 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: no it doesn't
< 1220807021 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see the results
< 1220807026 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does
< 1220807032 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you double-click-opened it
< 1220807034 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you use cmd to get at it
< 1220807035 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. not from a shell
< 1220807037 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1220807048 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who uses cmd?
< 1220807051 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a command line program, I would assume to use the command line to run it.
< 1220807052 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to write a non-console program then write a non-console program
< 1220807055 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do, daily
< 1220807060 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 2 cmd prompts open as we speak
< 1220807068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, you just alienated about half the people here
< 1220807071 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1220807102 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait you mean I'm not the only one who actually likes cli?
< 1220807106 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, if you're doing the #ifdef thing already, you can stick your system("pause") or whatever in #ifdef _WIN32 or whatever it was.
< 1220807125 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True...
< 1220807149 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess you can't detect whether a process was started via cmd or not
< 1220807166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your brainfuck implementation even optimising?
< 1220807171 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1220807175 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"even"? :-P
< 1220807177 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimising?
< 1220807179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like combining >>> into a "move 3 cells"
< 1220807184 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1220807188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I think almost all do it
< 1220807204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and [-] into "zero cell"
< 1220807205 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost all that people who develop in BF use, probably
< 1220807215 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost all that people who just try out BF use, probably not :-P
< 1220807234 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I have a 0 command for that
< 1220807244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, all bf interpreters I mean
< 1220807257 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I know what you meant, and I disagreed
< 1220807262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, seems pointless, [-] is a standard idiom
< 1220807265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You could use GetConsoleProcessList to check if cmd.exe is still attached to the console (I'm thinking it could stay there even during program execution) but only on XP or Vista.
< 1220807271 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is faster
< 1220807282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly
< 1220807285 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I didn't know about the wrapping in brainfuck when I made it
< 1220807286 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not faster if you optimise [-]. :p
< 1220807304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since most interpreters will change [-] into "set 0"
< 1220807318 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: when would you check that, it's always attached no?
< 1220807323 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot's interpreter won't. :p
< 1220807323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly my basic def-bf compiler does some basic stuff like that in no-jump zones
< 1220807342 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't think it is if you start a program with a double-click and windows ends up creating a new console window for it.
< 1220807384 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it will be "explorer.exe/whatever -> cmd.exe -> program" and not "explorer.exe/whatever -> program", or am I misunderstanding
< 1220807420 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why I used pause.
< 1220807421 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Uh, explorer.exe will definitely not be attached to the console, and I really don't think cmd.exe is involved if you start a console executable directly.
< 1220807440 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm just talking about what starts what process
< 1220807468 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would be easier if they hadn't removed dos from windows
< 1220807478 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, ok. But I don't think cmd.exe is involved when you run console executables, Windows just creates a console window if the program needs one.
< 1220807489 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Of course I'm no Windows person, this is all mostly speculation.
< 1220807520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc you need to call something like CreateConsoleA(a lot of parameters, several pointers to structs)
< 1220807526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ may do it for you
< 1220807528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1220807528 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, evidently not
< 1220807541 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1220807542 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, I was fairly sure a cmd.exe would be spawned
< 1220807543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's compiled as a "console application", there's some magic to do it automatically.
< 1220807555 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember how that works.
< 1220807578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah yes that sounds familiar
< 1220807586 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering the uselessity of cmd.exe, I don't really see any reason to use it in there.
< 1220807601 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uselessity? it's much better than DOS :-P
< 1220807609 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it even do job control?
< 1220807616 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I still think it's better than any alternatives on windows
< 1220807619 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1220807625 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never use job control anyway, though
< 1220807634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then, I see no reason to run a program under it in that case.
< 1220807640 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An interesting albeit impossible study would be to find compiler histories of major compiler binaries. e.g. the GCC in Debian was compiled by an older GCC in Debian, which was compiled by an even older GCC, etc etc, until you get the GCC in Debian compiled by the GCC from (perhaps) SLS, then the GCC in (an earlier) SLS compiled by the CC from Minix, which was probably ultimately bootstrapped by aBSD C compiler, which in turn was probably ultimately boo
< 1220807640 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tstrapped by an AT&T UNIX C compiler, which ultimately was bootstrapped by the original K&R BCPL language IIRC.
< 1220807662 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"impossible" is quite right. :-P
< 1220807665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Deewiant> and I still think it's better than any alternatives on windows <-- powershell?
< 1220807675 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: haven't tried it TBH
< 1220807687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I agree with fizzie about job control
< 1220807694 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people say it sucks, some people like it
< 1220807701 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the alternatives, but there was a 4dos variant, something like 4nt. This was "some time ago", I think.
< 1220807704 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so important about job control, what do you use it for
< 1220807713 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't like 4nt
< 1220807724 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked 4dos, never tried 4nt.
< 1220807724 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's non-free anyway, so that's that :-P
< 1220807732 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmd.exe has most of 4dos's features
< 1220807737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, yeah impossible
< 1220807739 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course with 4dos the point of reference was command.com, so...
< 1220807768 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for job control, it's not that I'd be constantly using it, I just see no reason to involve cmd.exe in the execution of an application if the cmd.exe isn't going to _do_ anything.
< 1220807780 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except open a console or something.)
< 1220807794 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in executing an individual application, certainly
< 1220807797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um if you mean a console window I would prefer konsole
< 1220807798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220807804 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220807806 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general I run more than a single program in a cmd.exe :-P
< 1220807814 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220807815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, sure, you can use it interactively.
< 1220807817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I often run stuff with &
< 1220807828 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very rarely do
< 1220807834 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of stuff do you run with &?
< 1220807839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example make > make.log 2>&1 &
< 1220807849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I would do other stuff while I wait
< 1220807850 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah alright, like that
< 1220807859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, is true for lots of other things too
< 1220807861 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I guess that makes sense
< 1220807866 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't felt the need though
< 1220807872 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that sort of situation I just spawn more shells, generally.
< 1220807873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./envbot &
< 1220807878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with stdout logging off
< 1220807912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even fungot's running in the foreground, since it breaks so often and I want to see the raw IRC messages which made it crash.
< 1220807913 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220807913 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220807913 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my experiences with x-chat haven't been pleasant at all. thing is though, if it was
< 1220807922 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally spawn more shells as well
< 1220807922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and does it even handle basic programming on command line?
< 1220807923 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220807925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo
< 1220807927 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does
< 1220807958 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I often need that, either :-P
< 1220807971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i in 199{0..9}; do wget http://www.no.ioccc.org/${i}/${i}.tgz; tar -zxf ${i}.tgz; done
< 1220807974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, like that?
< 1220807995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just first example with for from my command line history
< 1220808001 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Uh, you're speaking to the IRC server directly with a socket. There's no x-chat there. How would you even get x-chat in your little chroot jail?
< 1220808002 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but i don't know where the fnord level' of syntactic closures, and the
< 1220808015 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bot is seriously messed up.
< 1220808015 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for /L %i in (1990,1,1999) do wget ...%i/%i.tgz ...
< 1220808038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, functions on command line?
< 1220808049 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1220808059 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, don't use it much
< 1220808102 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not sure how to do command blocks actually
< 1220808105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example I wrote this when I was testing on envbot:
< 1220808106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :profile() { local n=$1; shift; while (( n-- )); do "$@"; done; }
< 1220808119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I could do:
< 1220808125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :profile 1000 sometest
< 1220808128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :profile 1000 someothertest
< 1220808133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see which was fastest
< 1220808149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly pure bash vs. external tools
< 1220808164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general pure bash is faster for smaller data sets due to fork() overhead
< 1220808166 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you use goto
< 1220808174 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and labels
< 1220808181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you can't use goto to another line in interactive shell
< 1220808186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in *.bat files
< 1220808190 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can goto another label
< 1220808194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is *very very* different
< 1220808198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, see what I mean?
< 1220808208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so can you use that for loop in interactive shell?
< 1220808209 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1220808211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is important
< 1220808214 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1220808220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and functions like that?
< 1220808229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, anyway we were talking about interactive shell
< 1220808231 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like said, probably doesn't support functions
< 1220808234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know *.bat can do more
< 1220808236 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1220808240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is not interesting
< 1220808251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to work in interactive shell when coding bash
< 1220808255 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interactive shell can do everything *.bat can
< 1220808255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way more effective
< 1220808260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not goto
< 1220808265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 99% sure
< 1220808269 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1220808271 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course :-P
< 1220808276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so you can't do flow control at all
< 1220808281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or functions
< 1220808284 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if and for work
< 1220808357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, still... not enough I suspect
< 1220808366 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "enough"
< 1220808415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough to satiate AnMaster's insane bloodlust for shell programming.
< 1220808425 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1220808517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be usable
< 1220808526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very often write functions directly on command line
< 1220808529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or complex loops
< 1220808543 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have ever written a function on the command line
< 1220808555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course, cmd.exe doesn't support it
< 1220808560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes life easier
< 1220808567 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do use linux as well, you know :-P
< 1220808588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah so you tested cfunge and rcfunge noe?
< 1220808589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now*
< 1220808604 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I've been doing school work most of the day
< 1220808604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and started updating that page
< 1220808609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1220808621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I think sf.net wouldn't like me to do 2 releases in 2 days
< 1220808628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so next will wait at least a week
< 1220808629 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1220808647 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Release early, release often, they say.
< 1220808664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 1 fixed bug + a few cygwin support bits?
< 1220808665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1220808670 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you have no code?
< 1220808680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1220808683 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why not?
< 1220808699 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one more file-pile for sf.net to keep indefinitely in the repositories, I guess.
< 1220808706 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you release a source file consisting entirely of comments?
< 1220808719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed
< 1220808719 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1220808727 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I really don't think they'd care much.
< 1220808739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and freshmeat got some policy against it
< 1220808755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll wait until next weekend
< 1220808766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"another week, another release" I heard some project use
< 1220808773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never "another day, another release"
< 1220808798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, I think that was inspircd in some release announcement for some beta version of 1.1)
< 1220808801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another day, another release is a spectacular idea
< 1220808803 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another commit, another release
< 1220808805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though only for early phases
< 1220808809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, exactly
< 1220808814 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a release every 3 days is then suitable
< 1220808819 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the program is stable
< 1220808819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220808825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cfunge is mostly stable
< 1220808828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case a release every half month to a month is reasonable
< 1220808833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe I'll publish an errata :D
< 1220808848 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but esoteric software projects and little things like cfunge are...not stable software, ever
< 1220808848 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1220808853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they classify as early/mid development
< 1220808856 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: a release every 1-3 days
< 1220808860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, nah
< 1220808867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge is kind of stable
< 1220808869 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-intercal is huge enough to justify a proper release schedule
< 1220808873 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, you don't get my point
< 1220808879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as ick
< 1220808880 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric projects are different in that they're small and unimportant
< 1220808886 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's best to release very often
< 1220808890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, did you say small?
< 1220808893 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of artificially delaying it
< 1220808894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many lines of code?
< 1220808895 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes i did
< 1220808900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've looked at cfunge.
< 1220808901 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's small.
< 1220808915 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how huge is c-intercal?
< 1220808923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ~/src/ohcount-1.0.1/bin/ohcount src lib
< 1220808923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Examining 137 file(s).
< 1220808923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                          Ohloh Line Count Summary
< 1220808923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language        Files       Code    Comment  Comment %      Blank      Total
< 1220808923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------  -----  ---------  ---------  ---------  ---------  ---------
< 1220808924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c                  95       9833       3963      28.7%       1910      15706
< 1220808926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpp                 1        109        163      59.9%         43        315
< 1220808928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shell               1          5          1      16.7%          2          8
< 1220808930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------  -----  ---------  ---------  ---------  ---------  ---------
< 1220808932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total              97       9947       4127      29.3%       1955      16029
< 1220808934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for spam
< 1220808941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and cpp = some headers using C++ reserved words for other stuff
< 1220808952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that that line counter can't understand is really C
< 1220808955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "template" iirc
< 1220809022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, do you call around 10 000 lines of code small?
< 1220809034 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what languages does ohcount support?
< 1220809042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, a lot iirc
< 1220809055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is used for ohloh.<whatever>
< 1220809055 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for small values of "lot" probably
< 1220809058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :net, or com or org
< 1220809061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: when it's doing fucking trivial stuff and is only big because your code sucks and you microoptimize for no reason, yes.
< 1220809114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, more than one screen with one per line
< 1220809117 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohloh.net used to say Tango was written in shell... guess it's more accurate now
< 1220809123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a 40x180 terminal
< 1220809151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no not D it seems
< 1220809154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/4htZpB57.html
< 1220809163 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, https://www.ohloh.net/projects/dtango/analyses/latest has D
< 1220809174 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and as you can see, it's at the bottom
< 1220809181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok, I may have a non-recent version here
< 1220809190 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: at the bottom of your paste, I meant
< 1220809199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes
< 1220809201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I see it
< 1220809204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Anyone want to sway my domain choice from tusho.net? (.net is effectively general like .com but .com looks bad for a personal site to me, .org is kind of correct but 1. i may wanna sell somethign on there that I made at some point..dunno what 2. i'm not an organization 3. the g dangling looks weird compared to the tusho, and .name looks kinda weird as in "tusho.name" - it's the "correct" one to use, but I don't like how "name" is as big as "tusho" when "t
< 1220809213 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope that all got through if not tell me where it was cut
< 1220809221 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as "tusho" when "t
< 1220809225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway it is a fair list, even though far from all
< 1220809230 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usho" is the important part)
< 1220809230 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: use a client that can split it for you
< 1220809232 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada
< 1220809237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Anyone want to sway my domain choice from tusho.net? (.net is effectively general like .com but .com looks bad for a personal site to me, .org is kind of correct but 1. i may wanna sell somethign on there that I made at some point..dunno what 2. i'm not an organization 3. the g dangling looks weird compared to the tusho, and .name looks kinda weird as in "tusho.name" - it's the "correct" one to use, but I don't like how "name" is as big as "tusho" when "t
< 1220809238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usho" is the important part)
< 1220809240 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there ya go.
< 1220809295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho" when "
< 1220809295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> usho" is the important part)
< 1220809296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1220809305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is usho the important bit?
< 1220809306 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1220809308 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220809308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi t usho
< 1220809311 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my message is too long
< 1220809313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i split it
< 1220809316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, there was no t in either pace
< 1220809321 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a t.
< 1220809325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1220809327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not here
< 1220809328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw one, and there is one in Deewiant's paste.
< 1220809330 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Anyone want to sway my domain choice from tusho.net? (.net is effectively general like .com but .com looks bad for a personal site to me, .org is kind of correct but 1. i may wanna sell somethign on there that I made at some point..dunno what 2. i'm not an organization 3. the g dangling looks weird compared to the tusho, and .name looks kinda weird as in "tusho.name" - it's the "correct" one to use, but I don't like how "name" is as big as "tusho" when
< 1220809332 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Anyone want to sway my domain choice from tusho.net? (.net is effectively general like .com but .com looks bad for a personal site to me, .org is kind of correct but 1. i may wanna sell somethign on there that I made at some point..dunno what 2. i'm not an organization 3. the g dangling looks weird compared to the tusho, and .name looks kinda weird as in "tusho.name" - it's the "correct" one to use, but I don't like how "name" is as big as "tusho" when
< 1220809333 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tusho" is the important part)
< 1220809335 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy?
< 1220809340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure yes
< 1220809352 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. now can further discussion be about the content of the message, not its presentation? :P
< 1220809359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/U1actx90.html
< 1220809360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that*
< 1220809362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was what I saw
< 1220809370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something dropped the t here then
< 1220809371 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"okay. now can further discussion be about the content of the message, not its presentation? :P"
< 1220809388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220809403 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we're finding the presentation more interesting than the content.
< 1220809418 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think .name is the way to go
< 1220809439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like .tusho
< 1220809442 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think you should've formatted the message as a triangle.
< 1220809447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just give some money to ICANN
< 1220809449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220809450 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: please stick to the possible possibilities.
< 1220809456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe ok
< 1220809555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, .net would imply that you are related to network operations
< 1220809563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it did originally
< 1220809570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they hadn't changed that
< 1220809611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, _originally_
< 1220809616 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I am a pragmatist
< 1220809625 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today, .net is completely generic
< 1220809634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and feels the most generic too
< 1220809640 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to .com which still feels slightly commercial
< 1220809816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1220809872 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe all three of .com/.net/.org, with the others redirecting to .net; then later on you can use tusho.com for your evil multinational corporation, and even later "the tusho foundation" can start using .org for their charity work.
< 1220809885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's three domains and therefore 3x$$$ :P
< 1220809908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure, if you're going to be _cheap_ about it...
< 1220809933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho foundation :D
< 1220809955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. anmaster foundation doesn't have the same ring to it
< 1220809967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would probably prefer to use my real name in such a situation
< 1220809979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE AVID NORLANDER FOUNDATION
< 1220809983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine that in some ye olde serif font
< 1220809987 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in copper letters
< 1220809991 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :avid? :-D
< 1220809996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue
< 1220809997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: recalled from memory
< 1220810001 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that his name
< 1220810005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it a video editing system
< 1220810006 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that fairly funny
< 1220810007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :avid I mean
< 1220810009 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why
< 1220810016 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given what avid means
< 1220810023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Avid is some high end video editor
< 1220810026 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: but anyhoo, arvid
< 1220810026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like final cut pro
< 1220810028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1220810033 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah
< 1220810063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, probably just my family name in that case but heh
< 1220810064 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I read "avid" as applying to the foundation as a whole
< 1220810067 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be kind of funny
< 1220810073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hahaha
< 1220810080 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "the awesome foundation of X"
< 1220810081 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220810131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the awesome and most supreme secret society of"
< 1220810133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1220810169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like mason lodges or whatever they are called over there
< 1220810313 0 :OkloThePol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220810314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220812060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so
< 1220812065 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any further comments on the domain name thing
< 1220812068 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not...tusho.net register go
< 1220812137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one comment tusho
< 1220812141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's your money"
< 1220812144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you decide"
< 1220812163 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we are in a thing known as an "internet relay chat"
< 1220812172 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we "discuss ideas" and "have debates"
< 1220812176 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was attempting to do the former
< 1220812339 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1220812340 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone else?
< 1220812827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess not
< 1220813093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220813098 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I use the private domain stuff?
< 1220813104 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that people can't link tusho to Elliott Hird easily.
< 1220813161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given your reaction to that picasa face-detection tagging thing, I would assume so. Personally I haven't bothered with the whois privacy thing, though, but that's mostly laziness.
< 1220813177 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It bumps the cost from £5 to £10, though.
< 1220813199 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I think my current (not cheap at all) registrar provides it for free.
< 1220813210 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's that?
< 1220813211 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should update the address in the domains, actually, moving next Saturday and if I don't fix it now it'll stay wrong for a year or two again.
< 1220813226 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :register4less.com, I think. There was a link to it in userfriendly. :p
< 1220813237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, those.
< 1220813242 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using mydomain.com
< 1220813256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if it is uf, then yes it is register4less.com
< 1220813344 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have cheap registrar with private registration suggestions?
< 1220813445 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220813494 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm grepping my logs. :p
< 1220813496 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timing out and registering anyway with privacy one assuming no further input...beep....
< 1220813498 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waiting...
< 1220813515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'll find anything very interesting there, so go ahead if you want.
< 1220813524 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, it costs $8.55 for domains
< 1220813529 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and $6.99 to add privateness.
< 1220813548 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£4.85 vs £8.82
< 1220813549 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per month?
< 1220813552 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what?
< 1220813554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: per year
< 1220813565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah, sweating the small stuff ;))
< 1220813588 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, tiny difference
< 1220813592 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want the privacy, go for it
< 1220813594 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ok
< 1220813601 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't, of course not then :-P
< 1220813698 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R4L is $15 a year, I think. I'm certain there have been multiple discussions about domain registration, with suggestions and everything, but I can't seem to figure out the correct words to grep for.
< 1220813747 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROCESSING ORDER
< 1220813753 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, too late!
< 1220813760 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just £9. :P
< 1220813765 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, though, can stop grepping.
< 1220813882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns off auto-renew
< 1220813907 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why would I?
< 1220813908 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh.
< 1220813945 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, neat.
< 1220813960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of anticlimatic, of course. :P
< 1220814113 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1220814117 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho.net resolves already
< 1220814127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220814129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to ROCK
< 1220814145 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's burgertime to kick ass !
< 1220814165 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=pqJ2vBIv130&eurl=http://www.dsfanboy.com/2008/07/23/its-burgertime-to-kick-ass/
< 1220815164 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220815172 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220816667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tusho.net/blog/
< 1220816667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHOLD
< 1220816757 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your post is written in such a way that I wanted to read it quickly. I approve.
< 1220816786 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost wish I had a blog.
< 1220816791 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do
< 1220816836 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1220817354 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220817358 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220817625 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220817707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- 38
< 1220817760 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: happy birthday
< 1220817768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not today
< 1220817773 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1220817777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put someone asked
< 1220817790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1220817806 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: think you're the oldest here, then
< 1220817808 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats.
< 1220817834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why thank you
< 1220817853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you may be the youngest i guess
< 1220817866 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asierkerkrkerkerkaa is younger
< 1220817871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220817873 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was 10 when I was 11 or 12
< 1220817877 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm 13
< 1220817881 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, second-youngest
< 1220817939 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My days of being second youngest are even more over than my days of being youngest.
< 1220817946 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's not right.
< 1220817949 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: You're 15, that's ancient.
< 1220817955 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've had tons of 13-14 year olds in here, I believe.
< 1220817964 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :daveah is 13
< 1220817983 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1220817989 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, darn it.
< 1220818011 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts on a gray wig and grabs a cane
< 1220818019 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being the youngest ... isn't really an advantage. :P
< 1220818024 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1220818030 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can be the wisest! >:-)
< 1220818031 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, when I turned 13 last month I suddenly stopped being an illegal liar! (COPPA) Yayyyy.
< 1220818032 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not.
< 1220818042 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: You can be Honorary Wisest.
< 1220818303 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be the honorary stupidest then
< 1220818319 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the opposite of wise is stupid.
< 1220818321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe two titles is a bit much
< 1220818327 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it is.
< 1220818336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naive maybe
< 1220818341 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that.
< 1220818359 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I be both Honorary Wisest and Honorary Na�vest?
< 1220818374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can be Honorary Paradoxicalest
< 1220818445 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean Most Honorary Paradoxical.
< 1220818554 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION straps the obligatory boards
< 1220818568 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse to lower myself to mere english grammar
< 1220818625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make me feel old, and I'm 18
< 1220818626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1220818635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are the average age so low in the channel
< 1220818637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it?
< 1220818653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about someone (not me) doing a mass highlight and asking
< 1220818657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many idlers
< 1220818667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, oerjan ihope ^
< 1220818673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of you do it
< 1220818677 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it isn't
< 1220818682 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have two packets of ages
< 1220818687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1220818692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :average age 15.5 and average age around 20 or so
< 1220818702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220818705 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, me and asie and deveah are at the very low end of the first packet
< 1220818715 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oerjan & calamari are at the very very high end of the second packet
< 1220818718 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a packet of their own
< 1220818723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais then?
< 1220818726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about him
< 1220818727 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's only 2 people so i bet it's just the regular odd ones out you get
< 1220818728 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fishy packet
< 1220818729 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he's 22
< 1220818733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1220818734 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the second packet
< 1220818794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzlet OkloThePol cherez kar8nga Mony olsner bsmntbombdood_ sebbu2 CO2Games GregorR SimonRC fizzie funktio lament Deewiant mtve RodgerTheGreat moozilla dbc lifthrasiir rodgort! Wake up! Stop idle (sorry if this included some non-idlers too)
< 1220818797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1220818803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be active!
< 1220818813 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck do you want
< 1220818818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read :)
< 1220818828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many idlers on this channel
< 1220818831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need more active ppl
< 1220818833 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ?
< 1220818840 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rodger.nonlogic.org/games/GraphScript/ <- play with this
< 1220818842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great!
< 1220818843 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and one too many spamming AnMaster's :P
< 1220818849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see it worked!
< 1220818860 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you know, you're a jerk.
< 1220818864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, thanks
< 1220818890 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you woulda thought you'd learn, having witnessed me doing that at least 2 times in the past...
< 1220818897 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that? Advertise something? http://codu.org/lingo/lingo.html
< 1220818901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes I took it as a good example
< 1220818909 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hah.
< 1220818914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, no just trying to make non idlers get active
< 1220818921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what: They don't go active.
< 1220818925 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They yell profanities at you then disappear.
< 1220818928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, damn :(
< 1220818944 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if it's advertisement time... http://tusho.net/blog/
< 1220818954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/cfunge/
< 1220818955 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I do not get that.
< 1220818956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is
< 1220818972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, rules?
< 1220818979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As if we could forget cfunge.
< 1220818980 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wish...)
< 1220818998 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess five-letter words. If the letter is correct and in the correct location, it'll be orange, if it's correct but in the wrong location, it'll be yellow.
< 1220819000 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone design a programming language inspired by this: http://www.pown.it/1100
< 1220819012 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: ok i'll pick someone randomly
< 1220819014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: funge
< 1220819018 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choice selected: RodgerTheGreat
< 1220819020 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg AnMaster, let me be idle :)
< 1220819024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony, nah!
< 1220819032 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erf
< 1220819035 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Has to be real words :P
< 1220819036 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, we've had... stuff.
< 1220819036 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: oh, you explained that game of yours, heh, missed that
< 1220819037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://codu.org/lingo/lingo.html
< 1220819038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<RodgerTheGreat> someone design a programming language inspired by this: http://www.pown.it/1100 <-- empty kate
< 1220819040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :page*
< 1220819044 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (needs javascript)
< 1220819045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILL THE IDLERS! ;)
< 1220819046 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it uses flash.
< 1220819050 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you might as well give up there.
< 1220819053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220819054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1220819064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, what is it about? I got no flash
< 1220819069 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colin Mochrie.
< 1220819077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, eh?
< 1220819082 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is about Colin Mochrie.
< 1220819134 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a kaleidoscope of dancing and techno music. I propose a rave-based language.
< 1220819143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dancing is Colin Mochrie.
< 1220819169 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Here, I told you where the bathroom is: http://tusho.net/blog/yes#comment-14
< 1220819173 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:04] <tusho> now i'm 13 <-- so young \o/
< 1220819176 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you were looking for it.[1]
< 1220819177 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :References
< 1220819178 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :----------------
< 1220819183 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1] http://tusho.net/blog/yes#comment-13
< 1220819210 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads GraphScript
< 1220819219 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray
< 1220819230 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphscript looks neat
< 1220819236 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double hooray
< 1220819243 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the description before i looked at the ref though I was expecting PostScripts APL
< 1220819247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*PostScript's
< 1220819252 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be amazing also
< 1220819347 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as powerful as PS yet, but it has a number of useful features
< 1220819369 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do recursion and self-modification, and it's very easy to integrate with other applications
< 1220819418 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently working on tweaking the interpreter to handle errors more gracefully and adding some commands that'll let you create and manipulate data structures
< 1220819419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, link?
< 1220819444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to graphscript I mean
< 1220819455 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rodger.nonlogic.org/games/GraphScript/
< 1220819466 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's java!
< 1220819473 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have much luck with RodgerTheGreat links.
< 1220819476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I do have gcj...
< 1220819482 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck with that.
< 1220819503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have jdk too
< 1220819517 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it has a much better chance of working with something like gcj than one of my games
< 1220819529 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect the Application frontend to work fine
< 1220819544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, that input marker. isn't it blinking rather quickly
< 1220819546 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does gcj support Swing at all, though?
< 1220819554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it is like 200-300 blinks / second
< 1220819559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather irritating
< 1220819567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, no idea, I used appletviewer http://rodger.nonlogic.org/games/GraphScript/
< 1220819567 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably. The applet was a quick hack
< 1220819569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works too
< 1220819596 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the application version is much more comfortable to work with
< 1220819612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, do you have a hello world example?
< 1220819649 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... "0 0 0 80g 20 20 [Hello, World!] 70g"
< 1220819686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, make paste work in applet
< 1220819690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: ok
< 1220819691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what
< 1220819702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, what is so special about this language=
< 1220819702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1220819706 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but download the application version and you'll be able to copy and paste and stuff
< 1220819718 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220819738 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simple, it's in pure java, it can do many of the basic things PS can do.
< 1220819745 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's rather esoteric
< 1220819746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1220819749 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the looks
< 1220819760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, Feather makes me go "wow"
< 1220819767 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stack-based, it has reasonably powerful graphics and math capabilities. What more do you want?
< 1220819770 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all languages are incredibly world-shattering, AnMaster
< 1220819772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is more like: "ok nice, however not my cup of tea"
< 1220819779 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feather is one of those, but...
< 1220819799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well it may not shatter, it could if you rewrite it to do so ;)
< 1220819811 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is /// world-shattering?
< 1220819811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "cup of tea"
< 1220819819 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: No :P
< 1220819822 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn.
< 1220819824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is /// ?
< 1220819826 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: british idioms, go figure
< 1220819829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doxygen comment?
< 1220819831 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ihopeylanguage
< 1220819836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language mixing Chef with a Japanese tea ceremony
< 1220819842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, was trying to add idioms ;)
< 1220819856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, someone said I lacked that, so why not add it
< 1220819878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, anyway I assume it was correct usage?
< 1220819883 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220819883 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...
< 1220819887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what?
< 1220819887 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not british. stop that. ;)
< 1220819888 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/// is that language that's like a horrible version of Thue.
< 1220819893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, haha!
< 1220819903 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not world-shattering, but GS has very elegant semantics and will soon have very elegant data structure manipulation. Think the simplicity of LISP data structures done in a different way.
< 1220819909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jolly good, old sport
< 1220819933 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: it'd be interesting if the program was a graphic itself, not like piet, but in the sense of lines squares and such
< 1220819939 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it modified its own playfield, with it off to the side
< 1220819943 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(infinite playfield)
< 1220819946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, would be cool
< 1220819947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220819949 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loops would be drawing over yourself to self-modify
< 1220819960 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be done, but that's not suitable for what this is designed for
< 1220819963 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1220819964 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still :P
< 1220819987 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the things I design try to be more utilitarian than just straight-up weird
< 1220819996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and: it would make me go not "wow" but "cool, nice!"
< 1220819999 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that weird isn't interesting
< 1220820062 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to randomly generate interesting /// programs
< 1220820108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, got a link to a wiki page about ///?
< 1220820129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any other link
< 1220820187 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why not search the wiki.
< 1220820190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :searching for /// on the wiki didn't workj
< 1220820191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work*
< 1220820198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it doesn't work on the wiki
< 1220820201 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1220820202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :returns you to main page
< 1220820203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Slashes
< 1220820220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220820226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1220820437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, how does /// print stuff?
< 1220820515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it simply output the program itself at the end?
< 1220820522 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it just "prints" what the program boils down to
< 1220820533 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it can't evaluate any more expressions, the result is printed
< 1220820555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think it prints underway
< 1220820569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever the program starts with something other than /
< 1220820585 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main reason I'd wager it's not turing complete is that your programs are constantly fighting some serious entropy
< 1220820592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what computational class is this
< 1220820597 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it'd be close
< 1220820598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess it isn't turing complete
< 1220820601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't be sure
< 1220820602 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nobody Knows(TM).
< 1220820617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we never managed to produce a nontrivial loop
< 1220820619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, try finding out
< 1220820620 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can construct logic networks, so you can compute a lot of things
< 1220820626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm interesting
< 1220820630 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or prove that one doesn't exist
< 1220820631 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can certainly do many finite computations.
< 1220820642 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1220820647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and basic infinite loops
< 1220820652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not complex ones
< 1220820655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it seems
< 1220820661 0 :Linus`!n=LinuS@217.202.22.125 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220820672 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more complex the contents of the loop, the more complex the loop
< 1220820678 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the bitch part
< 1220820682 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe its computational class is uncomputable.
< 1220820683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bounded storage machine?
< 1220820690 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sounds plausible
< 1220820701 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we can't be certain
< 1220820701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't prove it though
< 1220820714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm try implementing various ones
< 1220820719 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storage is theoretically infinite, but knowing that's useless if you can't produce a non-trivial infinite loop.
< 1220820729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like fsa, bsm, tc and so on
< 1220820751 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very intriguing language, because it seems so *possible* for it to be TC
< 1220820756 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is BSM?
< 1220820765 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, it's that.
< 1220820768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bounded storage machine
< 1220820776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsa would be finite-state automaton
< 1220820778 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's that different from FSA, again?
< 1220820794 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSAs don't have storage, per se
< 1220820804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a computer is a BSM iirc
< 1220820806 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the two are computationally equivalent
< 1220820809 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's semantics
< 1220820812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, oh they are?
< 1220820829 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the difference between a DFA and a NFA
< 1220820834 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if I understand correctly
< 1220820845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm not sure either
< 1220820854 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty confident
< 1220820859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220820861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not :)
< 1220820882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the computational models rather hard to grasp(right word?)
< 1220820888 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we've pretty much already attempted an FSA of sorts. The problem is how to circumvent... the difficulty.
< 1220820910 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to grasp, indeed.
< 1220820917 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /// solutions tend to be very much non-general
< 1220821008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, maybe "able to solve any specific problem for specific in-parameters"?
< 1220821009 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the FSA/BSM thing, the reason they're equivalent is because you could map every combination of machine state/storage contents to an FSA state, because they'd be enumerable
< 1220821024 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a terrible way to try to express them
< 1220821061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or try to send some innocent letter to some scientist and ask a innocent looking question about it, hoping they get interested
< 1220821063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could work :D
< 1220821104 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. Maybe I'll slip something under my compiler theory professor's door and see what comes of it.
< 1220821122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, heh, maybe he will come up with a lot of work on it later on :D
< 1220821194 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hi. I was reading a book about Thomas Nettleton when the author mentioned this notation he commonly used. I'm having trouble figuring out how to express certain things in this notation. Could you help me? [Insert description of /// here]"
< 1220821237 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or be more forthcoming and ask about the computational class of the language
< 1220821257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, heheh
< 1220821266 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night
< 1220821271 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1220821275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway something could work yes
< 1220821415 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More forthcoming: "I was reading an old book, now out of print, about computer science when the author mentioned a famous language based on replacement. He stated that finding its computational class was left as an exercise for the reader. I'm having trouble figuring out what it is. Could you help me?"
< 1220821416 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I'm not idling right now.
< 1220821438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, that would be slightly lieing
< 1220821441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lying*
< 1220821442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1220821445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever the spelling is
< 1220821448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liing?
< 1220821458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ling?
< 1220821459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1220821473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, and what if he/she asks "what book"?
< 1220821475 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lying, indeed.
< 1220821511 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tell him it was "An Introduction to Computer Science".
< 1220821526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, oh?
< 1220821537 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "Elementary Computer Science".
< 1220821544 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fundamentals of.
< 1220821548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like that title has been reused
< 1220821557 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're very reusable titles.
< 1220821569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now risk is asking for ISBN or something like that
< 1220821585 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Introduction to the Fundamentals of Elementary Computer Science for Beginners"
< 1220821587 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell him it doesn't have one, or that you've been unable to find it.
< 1220821620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway since I'm in last year of high school now, I suggest someone at higher level
< 1220821623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe RodgerTheGreat could do it
< 1220821669 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or say "Hey, Dr. Carr- I found an interesting language online, and I'm curious about it's computational class: [/// semantics]"
< 1220821691 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: also known as Russell and Norvig and Douglas and Goedel and Escher and Bach and Mozart and Beethoven and Bourbaki's Really Big, Really Green Bookabouts.
< 1220821706 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or suchabouts, anyway.
< 1220821714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, hm
< 1220821736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr Carr? odd name
< 1220821767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: too few painters i think?
< 1220821942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except douglas is such a common name i cannot find out who you mean
< 1220821967 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: here, stalk him or whatever it is you do: http://www.cs.mtu.edu/~carr/
< 1220822014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, hahah :P
< 1220822061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, http://tusho.net/ now has a real front page and an about page
< 1220822221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You should have been redirected to tusho.net. Tell me this happened!
< 1220822225 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220822226 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1220822227 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220822232 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just adding that code
< 1220822246 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada
< 1220822276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, he likes really big fonts
< 1220822286 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for that page
< 1220822292 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant to be simple and direct :P
< 1220822296 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho blogs, tusho is...
< 1220822329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, the font at http://tusho.net/about/ is *WAY TOO LARGE*
< 1220822336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you forgot your age
< 1220822338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not, it's lovely
< 1220822342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i most certainly did not _forget_
< 1220822350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's meant to fit in the theme of the homepage
< 1220822373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure he remembers it quite vividly
< 1220822383 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i don't tend to forget my age all the time
< 1220822391 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i also don't go around telling anyone either.
< 1220822413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do; I always have to ask other people, or start subtracting years. It is very difficult.
< 1220822431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently tusho is male, and a penguin
< 1220822444 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220822453 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a messenger penguin sent by the gods in particular
< 1220822459 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The story behind that one is... odd.)
< 1220822482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stranger things have happened
< 1220822547 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Discworld mythos, Patina, goddess of wisdom, carries a penguin on her shoulder. </trivia>
< 1220822548 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In another channel, the topic was "things to reply when annoying people asked you asl", and someone put "penguin" in the S field. Meanwhile, someone else was taking a "WHAT KIND OF PERSON ARE YOU" test for kicks and it turned out they were a messenger of the gods. Since the two messages came in such close proximity, I /nick PenguinOfTheGods'd. Then I decided I needed a new email account soon after, and...)
< 1220822553 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think that got all through
< 1220822601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S for species, right
< 1220822614 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, penguin is a sex.
< 1220822621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS NOT
< 1220822627 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is SO
< 1220822637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you cannot also be male
< 1220822647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220822648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can
< 1220822655 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very soon the LHC will prove it!
< 1220822659 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a higgs bosom
< 1220822700 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but when the LHC goes online, the world will be rewound to August 10, 1983
< 1220822705 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220822711 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i shall become POKEY THE PENGUIN!!
< 1220822817 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until that tragic accident
< 1220822893 0 :Slereah_!n=x@ANantes-252-1-69-93.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220822897 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello dudes
< 1220822939 0 :Linus`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1220823014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp*
< 1220823022 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COME CHILD, OBSERVE THE CONTENTS OF MY HAND
< 1220823033 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that feces?
< 1220823051 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_
< 1220823053 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know melab
< 1220823059 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wiki guy who added tons of languages in his userspace
< 1220823062 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and made a sitemap of his userspace
< 1220823067 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and weird categories and stuff?
< 1220823072 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I saw he added back all the Esco links
< 1220823075 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES
< 1220823078 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is an escoer!
< 1220823086 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just makes it even hilariouser
< 1220823094 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Tusho stop removing the esco link it is not spam and it has been there for a while. Unless you got consensus from admins or the rest of the community do not make such an edit without sufficient support. This is not your it is Graue's site so please do not remove the link if you do so again I'll report you. --Melab 18:31, 6 September 2008 (UTC) ]]
< 1220823100 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit I can't find that pokey strip
< 1220823107 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd paste him snippets of our irc chat but he'd just cut himself.
< 1220823228 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaiz
< 1220823234 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make a consensus on EsCo.
< 1220823250 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1220823259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming esco actually implements those languages, i agree with Melab on that
< 1220823297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the implementation should not be top quality in someone's view
< 1220823335 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not to do with the implementation quality
< 1220823357 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could go into specifics, but it might be simpler for you just to grep esco in your logs and read
< 1220823370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have logs
< 1220823378 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask someone who does :p
< 1220823391 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, it was quite an active channel at the time and there was pretty clear consensus for removing the links.
< 1220823481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a date?
< 1220823554 0 :Slereah!n=x@ANantes-252-1-69-93.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220823557 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220823572 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: afraid not.
< 1220823815 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:<
< 1220823882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the discussion, in case that wasn't clear :D )
< 1220823936 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | uhm why are you skipping 10 bits in the 8->7 translation?
< 1220824202 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220824202 0 :OkloThePol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220824203 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all of you i'm new here what's this channel about
< 1220824255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about raising undead evil gods and stuff like that
< 1220824272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, babes
< 1220824302 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot babes you say?!?
< 1220824303 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with or without tentacles
< 1220824308 0 :OkloThePol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklobol
< 1220824332 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm all for hot babes, but tentacles not so much what's the channel for no tentacles but still babes?
< 1220824346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try #vanilla
< 1220824367 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no one there when do all the babes come?
< 1220824415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the babes have tentacles these days
< 1220824426 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems one of my numerous brothers wants to use the computer, so, see ya
< 1220824428 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1220824488 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, a whole hive of oklopols.
< 1220824535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spawn of one of those undead gods, undoubtedly
< 1220824562 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undead god? now *that's* immortal
< 1220824589 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also immoral but they don't care
< 1220824634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean given how hard they are to kill in the first place, you'd think they'd have the decency to stay dead
< 1220825175 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220825559 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1220825576 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1220825618 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Melab/Esco
< 1220825622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could his user subpages get any uselesser
< 1220825646 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Melab/Directory
< 1220825648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! His sitemap is back!
< 1220825650 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ
< 1220825673 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1220826604 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm
< 1220826618 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can somebody of fixing the grammars on EsCo page?
< 1220826776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone _remove_ the EsCo page?
< 1220826783 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1220826796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder why we're calling it EsCo
< 1220826799 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called "esco"
< 1220826804 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must get these things right!
< 1220826866 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's Esoteric Compiler
< 1220826879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1220826881 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Esoteric Combin
< 1220826882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1220826892 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and read their page! In its Infinite Wisdom, it uses LOWERCASE "esco".
< 1220826904 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Butt3
< 1220826951 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page uses both.
< 1220826963 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no!
< 1220826966 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will we do?
< 1220827072 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mass suicide?
< 1220827108 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mass murder/suicide?
< 1220827110 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mass murder/suicide/gay orgy?
< 1220827125 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1220827126 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them.
< 1220827127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At once.
< 1220827147 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL SHOVE MY DICK THROUGH YOUR EYE SOCKET
< 1220827150 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so we have to kill ourselves while murdering the others, while sexually stimulating each other.
< 1220827151 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got that?
< 1220827158 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, combine the first and the last.
< 1220827159 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clever.
< 1220827161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone ready?
< 1220827178 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got back from a day of gay sex
< 1220827178 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3..2...1...OOOOOHYEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHFGHFAHFGAHJFGFJAHFGJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAyyyghdufhuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
< 1220827180 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm finding it difficult to ... err ... "motivate" myself
< 1220827182 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't this wait?
< 1220827189 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Looks like I did just the suicide part.
< 1220827200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I find suicide sexually attractive.
< 1220827203 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some sucky fetish.
< 1220827248 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the suicide have to succeed?
< 1220827252 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220827254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here i thought you were blowing things out of proportion already...
< 1220827263 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rolleyes
< 1220827319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@_@
< 1220827324 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.<
< 1220827399 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is @_@_@ supposed to be a (disembodied) eye rolling?
< 1220827444 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has three eyes.
< 1220827456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that much was obvious.
< 1220827517 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220827520 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220827521 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220827548 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220827600 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Melab.
< 1220827610 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of his fav languages are mine :,(((
< 1220827632 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Esco doesn't even implement them. It's UNIVERSAL.
< 1220827637 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how much you suck.
< 1220827705 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh jeez.
< 1220827709 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a wiki admin anywhere?
< 1220827712 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obliterate this crap: http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Melab/Jumble
< 1220827719 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banging on a keyboard does not a page make.
< 1220827777 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess he proved you wrong there!
< 1220827781 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, true.
< 1220827788 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That innovator. Such a great thinker.
< 1220828052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he sure knows how to push buttons
< 1220828093 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a secret esoteric troll
< 1220828115 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he's that Esme guy too D:
< 1220828248 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whateve
< 1220828266 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whateve!!!!!Whateve!!!!!Whateve!!!!!WHATEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1220828269 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esme 2
< 1220828294 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esolang that _really_ doesn't care
< 1220828933 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wwwwwwwwwwwwww
< 1220828934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaa
< 1220828986 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tttt
< 1220829001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vvvvvvvvvvv
< 1220829052 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzzalshdaskdhksa
< 1220829130 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a great Melab article right there
< 1220829136 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's put it on his user page
< 1220829152 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220829154 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read his early contributions
< 1220829159 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wants User: and user_talk: pages to be locked
< 1220829163 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that people can stop others editing them
< 1220829170 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you wish to deny the god of esco?
< 1220829191 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should just make him admin
< 1220829219 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1
< 1220829250 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if you do so again I'll report you"
< 1220829251 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1220829257 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220829260 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the higher authorities
< 1220829263 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ais523
< 1220829266 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so scared of him!
< 1220829285 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xP
< 1220829327 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He'll bend you into the shape of a 2,3 machine with his bare hands!
< 1220829347 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1220829351 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be turing complete
< 1220829353 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aweeeeeeeeesome
< 1220829362 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite memor
< 1220829363 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1220829393 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be TC only for programs of infinite length D:
< 1220829398 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How lame is that.
< 1220829407 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok, my penis is infinite
< 1220829409 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just write programs on that
< 1220829419 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you'll have a really shitty way to express results
< 1220829433 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll shit out the results?
< 1220829434 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinky.
< 1220829529 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be on the same level as EsCo then!
< 1220829578 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let's get this straight, I'd be horribly mutilated into the shape of a turing machine, where I will write programs on my infinitely long penis, and then shit out the results? And the reward for that is infinite memory.
< 1220829639 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something.
< 1220829696 0 :Linus`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1220830280 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220830310 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220830519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1220832691 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1220832959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> In the Discworld mythos, Patina, goddess of wisdom, carries a penguin on her shoulder. </trivia> <-- ah, another Discworld fan :)
< 1220833035 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220833045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all
< 1220833327 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGG UNMATCHED TAGS
< 1220833333 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> can't be closed with </trivia>!
< 1220833350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is trivia
< 1220833352 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh burn
< 1220833374 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I've updated the source
< 1220833430 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've also removed the logging of actions after seeing a 40 GB output.log file
< 1220834411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    From the page: " Please, write the 99 bottles lyrics go to hell" They did it wrong.. I suppose it's up to me. for(int i=99;i>=0;i--) Well for some reason StumbleUpon doesn't like the little arrows, so I'm going to replace them with spaces. But you all know what I mean. cout "We've got " i " bottles of beer on the wall! " i " bottles of beer! Take one down, pass it around, we've got " i-1 " bottles of beer on the wall!" I know it isn't perfect, but fuck of
< 1220834429 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not fungot output.
< 1220834430 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: if followed by any number of
< 1220834431 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a comment:
< 1220834435 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v
< 1220834436 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.stumbleupon.com/url/esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/IRP
< 1220834488 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, one last plug befroe the day is done
< 1220834490 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tusho.net/
< 1220834494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
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< 1220838472 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :puzzlet
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< 1220845536 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | that's the point
< 1220852171 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r01jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1220855646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning
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< 1220860799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1220863736 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i oklo the pol again?
< 1220863739 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! yay
< 1220864091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are a bol this time.
< 1220864326 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220864605 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure, but this is a respectable nick.
< 1220864618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you are not Prozac the Bear
< 1220866563 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was thinking about this programming language that enforces good programming style by somehow guaranteeing there are errors in the program, something like you supply a seed at the beginning of the program, and it's used to make small random adjustments to variables at certain points; every function has a separate assert block, if it catches the error, the function works normally, otherwise, well, you just get the error
< 1220867136 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | factor is too destructive for my tastes
< 1220867256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAC-TOR-IZE!
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< 1220868326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1220868336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo
< 1220868386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey wait a moment
< 1220868429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whacks his brain for wanting to make an o tower
< 1220868698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1220868699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo
< 1220868699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo
< 1220868700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo
< 1220868701 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo
< 1220868702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo
< 1220868702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo
< 1220868703 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo
< 1220868705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1220868721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek
< 1220868721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i call it "space ship who knows what true love is"
< 1220868735 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo
< 1220868741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo
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< 1220870529 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1220871594 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1220871752 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Jesus loves you"
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< 1220875499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1220875732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, rcfunge may beat cfunge in speed at mycology, but cfunge is way way faster than both rcfunge and ccbi at life.bf
< 1220875923 0 :funktio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about how fast do those interpreters run mycology.b98?
< 1220875952 0 :funktio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine took about 3s last time I timed
< 1220876014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge manages in:
< 1220876015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real    0m0.315s
< 1220876016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user    0m0.117s
< 1220876016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys     0m0.030s
< 1220876035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an -O2 build
< 1220876044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my x86_64 (2 GHz)
< 1220876057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't test your on my cpu since it doesn't compile for me
< 1220876060 0 :funktio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, quite a bit faster
< 1220876062 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220876084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Deewiant
< 1220876089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ccbi segfaults in SCKE here
< 1220876094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is the last one
< 1220876097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: P pushed 0 for socket without data
< 1220876097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault
< 1220876152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funktio, for rcfunge: not sure, since it's TURT opens a window, and that blocks
< 1220876160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it depends on how fast I click close
< 1220876200 0 :funktio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that affect the user time?
< 1220876210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it seems so
< 1220876242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for my own efunge in erlang: only 93 yet
< 1220876249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is a bit faster than this morning
< 1220876280 0 :funktio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220876338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all the other interpreters beat it at life.bf, iirc you can find it at catseye's 93 page
< 1220876342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is befunge93
< 1220876358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for cfunge it is so fast it looks like a motion picture here ;)
< 1220876487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funktio, http://catseye.tc/projects/befunge93/eg/life.bf
< 1220879522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1220879668 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in a limited area?
< 1220879675 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jk
< 1220879681 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: befunge-93 is 80x24
< 1220879684 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no exceptions
< 1220879704 0 :funktio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the height 25?
< 1220879716 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1220879722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funktio: dunno
< 1220879727 0 :funktio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is
< 1220879737 0 :funktio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Befunge-93 specification restricts each valid program to a grid of 80 instructions horizontally by 25 instructions vertically."
< 1220879756 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot, is the game of life supposed to be only TC if you allow some infinite patterns?
< 1220879831 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220879838 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have to frolick.
< 1220879850 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the turing machine with finite tape is like 5000000x5000000
< 1220879867 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the computational power of a game of life with an infinite space but only finite starting patterns
< 1220879914 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mother.
< 1220879926 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Anyway, it's literally fixed
< 1220879929 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that interp they cannot grow
< 1220879932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond the initial size
< 1220879937 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had sex with your mother
< 1220879942 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fucked her, with my dick
< 1220879950 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I am still wondering
< 1220879955 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WONDER
< 1220879958 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was an interesting tangent
< 1220879978 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if Wikipedia can answer this
< 1220879989 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_life
< 1220879994 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not what I expected.
< 1220880017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had/have that game.
< 1220880017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life
< 1220880022 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1220880250 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It ties in closely with an earlier discovery by John Conway of an extremely dense packing of unit spheres in a space of 24 dimensions where each sphere touches 196,560 others. As Conway has remarked, "There is a lot of room up there.""
< 1220880251 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220881224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Slereah> I forgot, is the game of life supposed to be only TC if you allow some infinite patterns?
< 1220881231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that instance is clearly not TC I agree
< 1220881235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I never claimed it was
< 1220881247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor did anyone I think
< 1220881248 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is irrelevant to this.
< 1220881253 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering.
< 1220884103 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite initial patterns?
< 1220884124 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm trying to remember
< 1220884137 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an you have something TC in GoL with only finite initial patterns?
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< 1220884182 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ccbi --version, what is it
< 1220884184 0 :oklobol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220884193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sec
< 1220884210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, CCBI - Conforming Concurrent Befunge-98 Interpreter version 1.0.13
< 1220884216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.0.14 is the latest
< 1220884221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1220884225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will try that in a bit
< 1220884226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :busy atm
< 1220884270 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1.0.14 had a couple of sock/scke-related fixes in it so I would hope it doesn't crash :-)
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< 1220884983 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220884999 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my game of life on befunge was mentioned here today, thanks :)   it was done 12 years ago btw.
< 1220885099 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my computer-related achievments back then was playing Indiana Jones 4.
< 1220885322 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mtve!
< 1220885352 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1220885393 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you get that game of life so tiny?
< 1220885404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goblins?
< 1220885415 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gremlins, tusho
< 1220885421 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220885436 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtve: confirm/deny?
< 1220885590 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirm that it was done by me?  well, you can dig befunge maillist archives circa 96
< 1220885605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, confirm that it is so small because of gremlins
< 1220885608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220885610 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiny becase i was trying to leave as much room for the field as possible
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< 1220886833 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OPERATING SYSTEM VULNERABLE TO VIRUS AND SPYWARE! ME RAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGH FIX IT! LINUX! PROBLEM SOLVED!"
< 1220887365 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys
< 1220887366 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.somethingawful.com/fashion/espanolSWAT/01.jpg
< 1220887368 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is...
< 1220887375 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it written "ESCO" on the top left?
< 1220887743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220887745 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1220888736 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evasion_%28book%29
< 1220890425 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.244.20 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220890428 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi... http://worlds-highest-website.com/
< 1220890446 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And http://www.tetris1d.org - currently at 9600
< 1220890469 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi asiekierka.
< 1220890494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is now a good time to plug http://tusho.net/?
< 1220890512 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee
< 1220890554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: re /msg me, I didn't get it
< 1220890560 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And then-"
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< 1220890591 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re /msg it.
< 1220890591 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done
< 1220890725 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Do you have Spore?
< 1220890732 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1220890759 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220890760 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1220890767 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Longsite is long
< 1220890773 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have spore next week
< 1220890776 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For mah birthday :D
< 1220890783 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Galactic edition?
< 1220890818 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolly
< 1220890819 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, if it'll still be availble
< 1220890836 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what happened in the esolang world during my 1-month absence?
< 1220890851 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We made a language out of ham
< 1220890861 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link?
< 1220890869 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a BF "Hello World" cookie box
< 1220890870 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in
< 1220890872 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the signs
< 1220890877 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cookies, i mean
< 1220890881 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to make _everything_ BF, asiekierka.
< 1220890884 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You never do, though.)
< 1220890884 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1220890887 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1220890889 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's me
< 1220890894 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not I want
< 1220890919 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That 1d tetris is hard
< 1220890936 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lalalaa.com/ - the best song of the year, also has different versions
< 1220890941 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old
< 1220890943 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2006 old)
< 1220890994 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can leave 1d tetris in the background until it reaches the score limit
< 1220891015 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220891029 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1220891044 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens then? D:
< 1220891051 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get 99 million points
< 1220891063 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at 18400 in tetris1d_left_in_BG
< 1220891073 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19600 now,, no wait, 20400!
< 1220891108 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :26000
< 1220891111 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to a little speedup
< 1220891210 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34800
< 1220891414 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :51000
< 1220891478 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :55800 :D
< 1220891537 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :60200
< 1220891546 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is how we spend our time on #esoteric
< 1220891562 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :252555555555555555555
< 1220891642 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh
< 1220891648 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes tetris1d just stops by itself
< 1220891649 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3125444445
< 1220891653 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stoped at 66600 now
< 1220891655 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god
< 1220891694 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SATAN
< 1220891811 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it!
< 1220891818 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tetris 1D is the work of satan himself
< 1220891832 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Tetris is the devilish work of communists
< 1220891851 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not communists but communist
< 1220891858 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or communist's work
< 1220891868 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, no-one cared about him
< 1220891876 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was no law
< 1220891877 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone stole it
< 1220891879 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for Satan
< 1220891892 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1220891896 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He didn't care either
< 1220891913 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He already planned years in hell for him for making something FUN
< 1220891916 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1220891918 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : FUN
< 1220891924 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1220891934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220891939 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-185-170.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220891939 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the good games are fun games
< 1220891942 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am going to make something like nethack, except:
< 1220891946 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 4D Tetris
< 1220891946 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1220891947 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. massively multiplayer
< 1220891948 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. online
< 1220891957 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that will be phun
< 1220891958 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGREED WITH YOUR IDEA
< 1220891960 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
< 1220891961 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMO Tetris
< 1220891966 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: ha.
< 1220891968 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, good idea
< 1220891980 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i do with good ideas?
< 1220891982 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be bad
< 1220891982 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DO THEM
< 1220891984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does it
< 1220891993 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a good idea.
< 1220891995 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does tusho since he's actually a good idea
< 1220892002 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my joke.
< 1220892003 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1220892006 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asie
< 1220892007 0 :asie!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asies_tusho
< 1220892015 0 :asies_tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, that was MY joke. :|
< 1220892020 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was my joke before yours
< 1220892021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1220892029 0 :asies_tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it was MY joke before YOURS
< 1220892032 0 :asies_tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1220892045 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1220892048 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dudes, it was mine before all of you'z
< 1220892070 0 :asies_tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, tusho, it was my joke, CLONE. You're my clone altogether!
< 1220892076 0 :asies_tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1220892079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: why do you think i said it
< 1220892082 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said it like that as a joke
< 1220892103 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the matter, I started to feel internet old when someone didn't know what "All your base" was.
< 1220892109 0 :asies_tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only difference between us is that ...
< 1220892115 0 :asies_tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you're a CLONE
< 1220892137 0 :asies_tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierka
< 1220892147 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets back to his senses
< 1220892154 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey... what h-happened? Why are you staring at me angrily, tusho?
< 1220892172 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho is a little cauldron of hate
< 1220892188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know what I mean.
< 1220892235 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's innuendo in the word innuendo
< 1220892254 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In-your-end-o.
< 1220892269 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220892309 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I love you
< 1220892309 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220892319 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I going to jail for pedophilia?
< 1220892323 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't invent that one, actually.
< 1220892327 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.244.20 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220892332 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But feel free to love me.
< 1220892343 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The law won't let me
< 1220892382 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know
< 1220892385 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to play a game
< 1220892393 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will we?
< 1220892393 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220892396 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :play the one i am making
< 1220892399 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1220892400 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(multiplayer webhack)
< 1220892403 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a game on IRC
< 1220892404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220892405 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1220892406 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewll
< 1220892407 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to play a game with you
< 1220892407 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220892409 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what
< 1220892410 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220892412 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and slereah
< 1220892412 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not cybersexing.
< 1220892418 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROLEPLAYing...
< 1220892419 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We already did IRC games.
< 1220892421 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random roleplaying.
< 1220892424 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cake challenges.
< 1220892424 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants to join
< 1220892428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put on my robe and wizard hat.
< 1220892441 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put on my leather costume.
< 1220892453 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not cybersexing, I'm a barbarian >:|
< 1220892455 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put on my stupidity helm
< 1220892458 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A BDSM Barbarian
< 1220892462 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts the roleplay
< 1220892470 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are in a infinite black box. What do we do?
< 1220892486 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look to see if there's anything.
< 1220892486 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ahem*  I steal yo soul and cast Lightning Lvl. 1,000,000 Your body explodes into a fine bloody mist, because you are only a Lvl. 2 Druid.
< 1220892498 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robots are trying to drill my brain but my lightning shield inflicts DOA attack, leaving the robots as flaming piles of metal.
< 1220892503 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : King Arthur congratulates me for destroying Dr. Robotnik's evil army of Robot Socialist Republics. The cold war ends. Reagan steals my accomplishments and makes like it was cause of him.
< 1220892508 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fin~
< 1220892512 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220892516 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S GODMODDING, SIR
< 1220892522 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was quick.
< 1220892523 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's bloodninja, sir.
< 1220892525 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's not a roleplay
< 1220892526 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in
< 1220892528 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an RPG roleplay
< 1220892531 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/bloodninja
< 1220892532 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a "chat roleplay"
< 1220892536 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A puzzle roleplay
< 1220892539 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edumacate yourself.
< 1220892542 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are somewhere and must figure our way out
< 1220892546 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220892549 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do stupid stuff
< 1220892570 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, Lvl. -1 IRC AsieRoleplayer, i'm Lvl. 3030 IRC AsieRoleplayer
< 1220892573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220892575 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220892611 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
< 1220892616 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a level 88 SS.
< 1220892620 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was i doing? Oh, playing Pacman on my C64.
< 1220892626 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grabs his laptop
< 1220892627 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see a jew and a fiddle
< 1220892634 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see a portal gun.
< 1220892642 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you do?
< 1220892648 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I push the jew in the portal
< 1220892652 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To fall FOREVER
< 1220892653 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a portal gun
< 1220892654 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a portal
< 1220892661 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a GRAVITY GUN
< 1220892668 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make two portals
< 1220892669 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes the gravity gun, obviously nearer him
< 1220892673 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On top of each others
< 1220892675 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes the portal gun with the gravity gun
< 1220892676 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also
< 1220892681 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't take the gun!
< 1220892682 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINK
< 1220892683 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I push the jew in it
< 1220892688 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you
< 1220892698 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ahem* *cough* Think.
< 1220892701 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you'll go in too
< 1220892718 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't do it
< 1220892723 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The black box is infinite
< 1220892730 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rips off asiekierka's face
< 1220892736 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'll have no end alre---*starts falling since there's no bottom either8
< 1220892738 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
< 1220892743 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
< 1220892749 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1220892754 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens to lalalaa on his iPod
< 1220892756 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can we fall if it's infinite?
< 1220892764 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nearest gravity source is infinitely far
< 1220892770 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE THERE IS STILL GRAVITYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
< 1220892797 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN THIS INFINITEEEEEEE BLACK BOXXXXXXxxyxyyyxyxyxxxxxxxxxxxxzyyxyzyxyyxyzzyxxxxxxxxxx
< 1220892849 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION falls on something
< 1220892850 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a minute
< 1220892855 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a little gray cube
< 1220892858 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually enough to hold me
< 1220892861 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of them
< 1220892871 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes some cubes near him and stacks a tower... [10%]
< 1220892877 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes some cubes near him and stacks a tower... [40%]
< 1220892878 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes some cubes near him and stacks a tower... [80%]
< 1220892888 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tower on what?
< 1220892889 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stacked a tower of... 5 cubes!
< 1220892891 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a floor?
< 1220892894 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1220892895 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything?
< 1220892899 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the cubes defy gravity
< 1220892901 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a lot of them!
< 1220892907 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defy so they stay in air.
< 1220892916 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you grab them, you'll give them momentum
< 1220892925 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they actually float
< 1220892932 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They... float.
< 1220892933 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of
< 1220892939 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have little engines so they float
< 1220892941 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather
< 1220892943 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Block momentum
< 1220892957 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if they have engines, shouldn't they go up?
< 1220892971 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that there is gravity
< 1220892981 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While they're falling, they're going up at the same speed
< 1220892985 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's a floating illusion
< 1220892990 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something
< 1220892992 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're much lighter
< 1220892998 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they're huge cubes
< 1220893001 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huge
< 1220893019 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the size of 2 mac minis stacked on top of each other
< 1220893020 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if they're still now, if you grab them, they'll go down
< 1220893039 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they have little accelerometers to tell them to have more thrust
< 1220893062 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, i'm stacking cubes on a cube that was still from the beginning
< 1220893066 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they fall down
< 1220893066 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also why do we care if we fall, anyway?
< 1220893070 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from the cubes, everything also falls down, at the same speed
< 1220893080 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in a way, all objects are still
< 1220893085 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the cubes are moving
< 1220893089 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because... the cubes can power the same amount of power as a single power outlet can :D
< 1220893106 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION connects his C64 to one cube, his laptop to the other, and his TV to another
< 1220893127 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loads up BASIC and programs some stuff... while noticing something! [25%]
< 1220893128 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loads up BASIC and programs some stuff... while noticing something! [50%]
< 1220893129 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loads up BASIC and programs some stuff... while noticing something! [74%]
< 1220893131 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loads up BASIC and programs some stuff... while noticing something! [99%]
< 1220893134 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION found out something!
< 1220893154 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BASIC code written on a C64 connected to a cube can manipulate this black box!
< 1220893176 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes a code to create a floor
< 1220893176 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-215.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220893181 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes a code to create a floor [33%]
< 1220893186 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes a code to create a floor [66%]
< 1220893186 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes a code to create a floor [99%]
< 1220893197 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this, Second Life?
< 1220893198 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION created a floor! It's of enough width and height to cover us all
< 1220893207 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... didn't play second life
< 1220893215 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no internet here!
< 1220893216 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait
< 1220893228 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts up his laptop as a server with programs downloaded from the i----shit.
< 1220893241 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, there's NO internet here
< 1220893247 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor do i have programs for a server!
< 1220893248 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My only hope is
< 1220893259 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes out his Turbo Pascal 7 copy and programs a server app [1%]
< 1220893299 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{come on, do something!}}
< 1220893306 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{You're still falling, on a cube or on the floor doing something :P}}
< 1220893344 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have to fear anything
< 1220893351 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like falling is dangerous
< 1220893360 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's landing that's dangerous
< 1220893361 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's over
< 1220893367 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're on a cube and on a floor
< 1220893369 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're bored
< 1220893378 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully
< 1220893383 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cubes are soft
< 1220893397 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to have sex with the cubes.
< 1220893398 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the floor can't be even felt... You may think you're still falling if you don't look
< 1220893406 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*AHEM*... One more that and i quit
< 1220893432 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw :(
< 1220893435 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1220893436 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a kid!
< 1220893444 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NEED AN ADULT!
< 1220893457 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tusho is dead
< 1220893467 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes an infinite wall between slereah and tusho
< 1220893483 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: i am a kid too
< 1220893483 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sings quietly* for the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead...
< 1220893486 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell you what
< 1220893488 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right
< 1220893494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if psygnisfive/augur and oklopol are ever in here at the same time
< 1220893495 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION destroys the wall and makes COOKIES from it
< 1220893497 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should part
< 1220893501 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lest your innocence is destroyed.
< 1220893517 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220893519 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1220893528 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION programmed the server app
< 1220893541 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as the code is manipulating this black box mini-universe... *hits enter*
< 1220893556 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it MALBOLGE?
< 1220893558 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees that the whole world turned into an internet-like matrix, where everyone can manipulate everything
< 1220893569 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can make a malbolge parser for your parts
< 1220893583 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use your imagiCAKEtion
< 1220893593 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes a warp tool
< 1220893610 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses a warp to teleport himself to... a game.
< 1220893613 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes a cake
< 1220893617 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{ What would be better, Spore or Portal? }}
< 1220893630 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't go to Spore
< 1220893633 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's full of penises
< 1220893638 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO it's not
< 1220893639 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have it
< 1220893641 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Portal has cake.
< 1220893647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spore has a buncha penises
< 1220893651 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...thecakeisalie
< 1220893655 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also STOP
< 1220893665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis.
< 1220893669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches asiekierka be SCARRED FOR LIFE
< 1220893672 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more that and...
< 1220893674 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Penis.
< 1220893678 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUTT
< 1220893678 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220893681 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220893683 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl.
< 1220893688 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.244.20 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220893690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :penis
< 1220893696 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, are you in the closet? :o
< 1220893708 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to the warp to portal no matter what
< 1220893718 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, but... Goodbye! :D
< 1220893731 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now learnt to be away from tusho
< 1220893732 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1220893734 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1220893739 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Penis.
< 1220893742 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1220893750 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220893754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like that bash quote where "fuck" made a guy's router kill irc
< 1220893839 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1220893878 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@89.108.244.20 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220894004 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . .
< 1220894028 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you all can see who i am
< 1220894032 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierka
< 1220894043 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1220894073 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't and was going to propose him sexual intercourse
< 1220894549 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220895796 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-4-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220896505 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg penis?
< 1220896507 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220896660 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to buy another one
< 1220896693 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives bsmntbombdood_ a penis
< 1220896713 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU FOUND : 1 PENIS!
< 1220896726 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220896743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inventory*
< 1220896746 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PENIS                 Qty. 7
< 1220896755 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a whole mess of dongs.
< 1220897702 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220897744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho>oh no
< 1220897747 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220898002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what's with this edit war on Esolang?
< 1220898008 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: esco
< 1220898019 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esco guy keeps adding the links to all the pages, i keep removing them
< 1220898021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know
< 1220898029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edit warring is probably not the best way to solve this though
< 1220898034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe discussion would be better?
< 1220898036 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I only removed them once
< 1220898042 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after he put them back like months after I forgot about eso
< 1220898045 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, we are having a "discusison"
< 1220898054 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he has threatened to 'report me' and I have explained why they don't belon there)
< 1220898055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice, total
< 1220898056 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*belong
< 1220898065 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1220898068 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he didn't add them the first time
< 1220898076 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another escoer (god, I can't believe there's more than one) did
< 1220898083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was months ago
< 1220898317 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220898602 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to all the pages"?
< 1220898754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: every single esolang that esco implemented trivially & badly
< 1220898943 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :610000 on 1D Tetris
< 1220898958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: 1D Tetris?
< 1220898974 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tetris1d.org/tetris.php
< 1220899139 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: you're up against:
< 1220899139 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.
< 1220899139 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	
< 1220899140 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NKWM
< 1220899140 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	
< 1220899140 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18549200
< 1220899142 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	
< 1220899144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18549200
< 1220899157 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220899157 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :				<td><p>	<input type="hidden" id="savescore" name="savescore" value="400">
< 1220899163 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, all I have to do really is not to crash
< 1220899194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, I've continued working on gcc-bf
< 1220899213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linker's done, libc and libm are done but not tested, compiler's mostly done, assembler's hardly started
< 1220899218 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wo
< 1220899218 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w
< 1220899220 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220899221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even implemented a filesystem (although haven't tested it)
< 1220899233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping all the files in memory in malloced space
< 1220899261 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no more cheating."
< 1220899262 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'aw
< 1220899264 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w
< 1220899272 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1220899274 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can beat that
< 1220899280 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIREBUG GO
< 1220899389 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1220899395 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haxxx'd it successfully but no go
< 1220899396 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1220899609 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1220899710 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: may interest you: i am working on a web-based, multiplayer nethack
< 1220899714 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, i don't know
< 1220899722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I've been thinking about multiplayer nethack
< 1220899731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and decided that it would either be very boring or unlike the original
< 1220899735 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, since mine is _massively_ multiplayer i've had to make it, err, not nethack
< 1220899740 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like nethack, but it's not turn based
< 1220899749 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game-made stuff only moves once every N, yes
< 1220899751 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does it all at once
< 1220899753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, not turn based is one unlike way to make a multiplayer version
< 1220899756 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but players move as they wish
< 1220899771 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it looks like nethack
< 1220899774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is hopefully similar enough
< 1220899839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why they get so much spam in German nowadays
< 1220899852 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh ditto
< 1220899854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know enough German to tell it's spam, but not to know exactly what it's saying
< 1220899856 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly on friends-of-brainfuck which is .de
< 1220899871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the reason for me
< 1220899937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out to make an element have 0-width in css while still being visible
< 1220899945 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. collapse it so that the stuff in front of it goes behind it
< 1220899949 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the nametags on other players)
< 1220900003 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220900005 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :margin-right: -100%
< 1220900034 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220900035 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite
< 1220900056 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esco's interps do not work then?
< 1220900068 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they just suck ass?
< 1220900072 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: they suck ass to the Nth degree
< 1220900080 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, i see
< 1220900081 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the trivial, i just-discovered-esolangs type
< 1220900086 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they're compounded by the stupidest idea ever:
< 1220900093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey why not put them all in ONE EXECUTABLE?!
< 1220900098 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like busybox
< 1220900100 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except busybox has a reason
< 1220900103 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they don't
< 1220900105 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also busybox doesn't suck.
< 1220900195 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know wha busybox is
< 1220900205 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what langs has esco implemented?
< 1220900246 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck, like 2 other boring ones
< 1220900249 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2 brainfuck cyphers
< 1220900268 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here
< 1220900287 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck,ook!(bf cypher),spoon(bf cypher),hq9+,whitespace,byter
< 1220900299 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...three "real" languages (all of whose implementations are incredibly bad)
< 1220900305 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one joke (hq9+)
< 1220900309 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two trivial brainfuck cyphers
< 1220900312 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooorayyyy
< 1220900343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, based on my work on gcc-bf, I've been thinking about writing an incredibly fast BF interp that beats all the existing incredibly fast BF interps
< 1220900354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by analysing the program to work out what tape elements it's using for what
< 1220900359 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you do can I spam you with tons of ideas for optimizations?
< 1220900362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where the pointer is at any given moment of times
< 1220900364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes
< 1220900370 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: awesome
< 1220900371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I haven't started it yet, or even thought about it much
< 1220900374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and won't do it just now
< 1220900381 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, make sure to check out bff.c and mazonka's bf4.c
< 1220900386 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially bf4.c's linear loop stuff
< 1220900394 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to reduce all the number-generators to just a SET
< 1220900420 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wanna compete?
< 1220900429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: not right now, maybe later though
< 1220900438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> it seems to reduce all the number-generators to just a SET
< 1220900445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's way below the sort of optimisations I was planning
< 1220900448 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, basically that would mean i'd start making a bf interp too.
< 1220900457 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, yes, but it has tons of stuff like that
< 1220900460 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is also unreadable
< 1220900461 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^)
< 1220900483 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-94-253.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220900489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine would, for instance, realise that you were maintaining every 6th cell as a zero
< 1220900501 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reducing all number-generators to a set? does that mean "all balanced loops"?
< 1220900527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: I was planning to do unbalanced loops too
< 1220900530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's harder though
< 1220900545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think I'll need a blazingly fast interp to test gcc-bf, the way it's going
< 1220900547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc is massive
< 1220900561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even though my linker only links the parts it needs, it's still pretty bloaty even for simple programs
< 1220900568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when stdio streams are involved
< 1220900641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bf4 does all unbalanced loops
< 1220900641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220900654 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also ... shouldn't you write a hyper-optimizing ->asm compiler?
< 1220900656 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1220900660 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyper-optimizing -> llvm
< 1220900661 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do all unbalanced loops :P
< 1220900669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can have all the crazy assembly tricks
< 1220900672 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but stay portable
< 1220900675 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: i mean, balanced
< 1220900675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: or -> gimple, and have it as a gcc front end?
< 1220900686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, that is too crazy :P
< 1220900692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus llvm does more holyshit optimizations, I believe
< 1220900695 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that'll be beneficial
< 1220900710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: blue-skies idea: have INTERCAL both as a front end and as a back end to gcc
< 1220900714 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EEEEEEK
< 1220900751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :translating -> GENERIC is arguably easier than translating -> C, and gcc has a gimplifier for GENERIC already
< 1220900790 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1220900863 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that thing I said about needing not to crash?
< 1220900960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220900971 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so you've actually played nethack: should you be able to select another player and see info about them?
< 1220900974 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just their name hovering beside them
< 1220900997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: not without a stethoscope
< 1220901001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to tell class
< 1220901005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly level
< 1220901007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's about it
< 1220901013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and rae
< 1220901013 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that kind of stuff is coming later :P
< 1220901015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rae/race/
< 1220901017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's obvious
< 1220901024 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :target for now:
< 1220901027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll effect whether they show up as @ or h
< 1220901030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or G
< 1220901030 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can move around a room
< 1220901037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bash into people
< 1220901038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220901043 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, i've only ever seen @?
< 1220901057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: @=human/elf, h=dwarf, G=gnome (among other things, except for the gnome)
< 1220901075 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220901081 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, always just @ for now
< 1220901086 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until that SHAMCNY stuff appears
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< 1220901356 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, don woods made advent?
< 1220901363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes
< 1220901368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you read alt.lang.intercal
< 1220901373 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really.
< 1220901377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just him though, a couple of other people too
< 1220901401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely enough, the person mentioning it on a.l.i suggested writing a bf backend to gcc a couple of days /after/ I started work on it...
< 1220901746 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION giggles at "new Ground"
< 1220902003 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220902004 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1220902214 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how often do you think a game step should be?
< 1220902217 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.5 seconds?
< 1220902226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: not nearly that fast
< 1220902237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 second?
< 1220902239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people often spend hours over a game step in genuine Nethack
< 1220902247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't genuine nethack
< 1220902247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220902285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I suggest at least giving people a chance to check their inventory
< 1220902296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say every 20 steps, waiting for a minute or so so people can do non-time-consuming things
< 1220902310 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm thinking of having the inventory always available
< 1220902313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another example: dropping all your un-BCUd stuff on an altar takes only one turn
< 1220902330 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the game is going to be like nethack on asynchronicity and crack
< 1220902331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just DX<ret>.<ret> if you know what you're doing
< 1220902338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still that takes a while to type
< 1220902343 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having it pause for a minute would kill it
< 1220902354 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well yea you'd be able to type between turns
< 1220902356 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things would just keep moving
< 1220902362 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when the turn isn't going, others can still move too
< 1220902368 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and loot you or similar
< 1220902502 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think i'll go with 1sec
< 1220902562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I don't think it's even possible to give the commands to attack with a reach weapon in 1 second
< 1220902587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then you'd take more than one term to perform the action
< 1220902600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make reach weapons rubbish rather than annoying
< 1220902601 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although i'll be simplifying the bindings ofc)
< 1220902609 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(massively)
< 1220902682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1220902714 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but in a multiplayer environment, delaying e.g. 5 seconds would be unusable
< 1220902722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd all be jittering about quickly while nothing happens
< 1220902737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, you're probably used to playing near the start of the game where there are long periods where nothing happens
< 1220902749 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nothing can happen mid-ter
< 1220902749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but later in the game is basically impossible without spending a lot of time on each move
< 1220902750 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m
< 1220902767 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for 5 seconds, the whole game would stop
< 1220902771 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for everyone
< 1220902780 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would kind of suck, no regular nethack wouldn't work with 1sec
< 1220902782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not
< 1220902791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that do you mean "nothing can happen mid-term"?
< 1220902793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/that/what/
< 1220902809 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it'd just be players moving somewhere or sitting still typing a command
< 1220902816 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they'd have to wait until the 5 seconds were up
< 1220902818 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it took effect
< 1220902826 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, everyone is doing everything at the same time
< 1220902834 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the turns have to happen at the same time for everyone
< 1220902876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: they can still queue commands beforehand
< 1220902880 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they can
< 1220902883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of things in Nethack take up no turns
< 1220902893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as using a stethoscope, or starting to engrave and then cancelling
< 1220902906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is the only kind of turn I can have is one that happens every N seconds, no matter what, for everyone
< 1220902931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what if multiple people try to move onto the same square? That would be chaos
< 1220902942 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, moves don't take up a turn
< 1220902944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one person raises a drawbridge at the same time another person lowers the same drawbridge
< 1220902947 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one would get there first
< 1220902950 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other would bash into them
< 1220902967 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(moves can't take up a turn, or it'd be slower than a snail)
< 1220903046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what about having it completely real-time, don't have turns at all but instead have action timeouts
< 1220903066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you move, you can't move again for a second (2/3 a second if fast, 1/3 a second if very fast)
< 1220903069 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I want all the enemies &etc to move at the same time
< 1220903076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pets?
< 1220903083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220903086 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220903086 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220903088 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220903095 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220903096 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220903103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also different monsters have different speeds
< 1220903104 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you moved too far it'd just not be able to catch up to you
< 1220903109 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, yes
< 1220903111 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know what i mean
< 1220903113 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general feel of it
< 1220903115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warhorses are faster than dragons, which are faster than lichens
< 1220903123 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am just calling the period where the 1-turn-moving monsters are still a 'turn'
< 1220903131 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How fast are lichens
< 1220903132 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though everything else is realtime
< 1220903136 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 per turn?
< 1220903141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: incredibly slow, but they still have a movement speed, strangely
< 1220903149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're faster than yellow moulds, which AFAICT don't move
< 1220903152 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are we talking about, too
< 1220903164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Nethack, or tusho's version thereof
< 1220903173 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1220903192 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha i just realised how appropriate the name "NEThack" is
< 1220903193 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this
< 1220903211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: NetHack was invented by Usenet, that's what distinguishes it from Hack
< 1220903214 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220903216 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still ;)
< 1220903219 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Nutsack
< 1220903242 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called wackem though (nethack -> whack (w for web) -> whackmm (massively multiplayer) -> whackem (pronouncable and meaningful))
< 1220903257 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm seems it's actually wackem
< 1220903260 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for shortness, presumably
< 1220903712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi
< 1220903749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1220903754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, whack'em? ;)
< 1220903765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wackem. :P
< 1220903780 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's my WIP online, massively multiplayer sort-of-like-nethack
< 1220903813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there are less changes now I suspect to get parts of cfunge to work under cygwin, Deewiant managed to make it work partially
< 1220903837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some fingerprints won't work, and you will get lot of weird warnings
< 1220904053 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And I invented doors, no joke!"
< 1220904333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any news? feather maybe?
< 1220904342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've been working on gcc-bf
< 1220904348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing else, really
< 1220904350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah progress?
< 1220904369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linker basically done, compiler mostly done but not finished, library done but not tested, assembler only just started
< 1220904417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220904425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so "hello world" doesn't work yet?
< 1220904445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nothing works yet, I'm doing this breadth-first rather than depth-first
< 1220904451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1220904477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if you compile hello world atm, you get a program with stdio and a lot of file stuff linked in, and some rows of +++++ that put a constant string Hello World into memory
< 1220904513 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: didn't use pdclib[sp]?
< 1220905173 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220905210 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can I have the source to your esolang adventure game?
< 1220905213 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to do stuff with it, maybe.
< 1220905222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, it may take me a while to find it though
< 1220905253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220905267 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll probably write a generic "Expose a unix command via a webpage" thing.
< 1220905271 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put your adventure game up
< 1220905276 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like i did a while ago but less glitchy)_
< 1220905278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ah no, I found it
< 1220905286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I copied it to /home/ais523/esogame.c on Rutian
< 1220905291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to get it from there
< 1220905301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note it's very unfinished atm and I haven't worked on it since you last saw it
< 1220905354 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm...we need a filesharing system using scp, i run it far too much because you upload stuff there
< 1220905361 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you could do 'rutian-give tusho file'
< 1220905367 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd upload it, notify me, and I could accept it
< 1220905508 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I am going to write rutian-give and rutian-recieve-daemon
< 1220905512 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you are very excited.
< 1220905522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wait
< 1220905530 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can't host a server, can you?
< 1220905532 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to firewalls
< 1220905532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, esogame?
< 1220905535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :desc?
< 1220905536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughs at the typical tusho attitude
< 1220905546 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1220905547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a text adventure based on esolangs I started writing once
< 1220905548 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i do that was typical of me
< 1220905549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very unfinished
< 1220905553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, like?
< 1220905557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: go off into writing a new program idea
< 1220905569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so far it has three puzzle areas, based on brainfuck, INTERCAL, and SMETANA
< 1220905571 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't see how that's unique to me :P
< 1220905577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to solve the puzzle to get through the area
< 1220905586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I didn't say it was, probably other people have the same attitude
< 1220905595 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: am i right re: servers though
< 1220905596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately none of the puzzle areas go anywhere yet
< 1220905607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, I don't have an always-on computer
< 1220905616 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tjat
< 1220905618 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not needed
< 1220905620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when this computer is on I can reverse-tunnel to rutian and host a server that way
< 1220905621 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for transferring when they're online
< 1220905623 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220905627 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't that be hosted on, er, rutian though?
< 1220905630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not host a server locally due to firewalls
< 1220905639 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to be able to notify you in some way
< 1220905647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: rutian will be the IP you use to connect, the reverse-tunnel sends the data to my computer
< 1220905653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably via one of those 'make dialog with shell script' progs
< 1220905656 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah
< 1220905661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember when 127.0.0.1:12345 on your computer connected to Apache on mine?
< 1220905664 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will that be able to tell your computer to run xdialog or whatever it is?
< 1220905675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes if the right software's running over here
< 1220905681 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1220905687 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just write it as if it's running on your machine
< 1220905690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220905698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I try to remember the syntax to set up a reverse tunnel
< 1220905713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220905714 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great.
< 1220905738 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its port shall be 19176 (ESO)
< 1220905770 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you have ruby right
< 1220905774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wait, it'll run on rutian
< 1220905775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1220905779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: probably, I've never tried running it though
< 1220905786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I don't then I can get it easily enough
< 1220905949 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there a command that reads passwords securely like ssh does then dumps it to stdout that you know of?
< 1220905950 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be useful.
< 1220905980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I think so, can't remember the syntax though, I'll look it up
< 1220906114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dialog --insecure --stdout --passwordbox Password: 8 80
< 1220906122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove the --insecure if you don't even want it to echo asterisks
< 1220906129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit funky, though, dialog puts up a fake GUI
< 1220906138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what dpkg uses for prompts though
< 1220906153 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that stuff
< 1220906155 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, ok
< 1220906161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's another way
< 1220906163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably is
< 1220906166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the one I know offhand
< 1220906221 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by the way, how do you think I should ask for confirmation of the transfer? i'm planning on using one of those "pop up a basic dialog in gtk/qt/cocoa/whatever"
< 1220906222 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things
< 1220906231 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then if it's accepted a save as
< 1220906255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1220906315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: incidentally, #gcc seems to be one of those channels where if you're lucky you might get an answer after 5 hours
< 1220906320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean?
< 1220906323 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inded
< 1220906325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program to check password?
< 1220906326 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*indeed
< 1220906330 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no.
< 1220906331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks
< 1220906333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a program to input a string without echoing
< 1220906335 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program to let the user input a password securely
< 1220906339 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use something like "stty -echo; read; stty echo;", although it's a bit brittle and might too easily leave the terminal to a no-echoing mode.
< 1220906340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1220906343 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the method ais523 said
< 1220906373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: in bash: read -s; echo $REPLY
< 1220906384 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1220906384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works for all passwords except -n
< 1220906403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read's a bash builtin, though, not a command accessible any other way
< 1220906435 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, here's the model:
< 1220906454 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scp-send server username file
< 1220906456 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220906457 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220906461 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scp-send file username server
< 1220906467 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'scp-send foo.c tusho eso-std.org' reads best
< 1220906468 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1220906471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what about sending more than one file?
< 1220906472 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that asks for your password
< 1220906475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably the file list should come last
< 1220906482 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, mine couldn't support that anyone
< 1220906483 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anyway
< 1220906486 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the save as thing
< 1220906488 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tar it
< 1220906489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why not just secure it the same way ssh does?
< 1220906493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can ssh there, you can scp-send there
< 1220906511 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: uh, and how do you propose i hook into just one bit of ssh?
< 1220906516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't input a password into something like that unless it was unique
< 1220906521 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I know, Net::SCP requires you to give stuff yourself
< 1220906525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you don't, you try to ssh to verify it's possible
< 1220906529 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220906545 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually
< 1220906547 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :net::scp might do it
< 1220906600 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, anyway
< 1220906609 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it looks at /home/VICTIM/.scp-transfer
< 1220906616 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not there, it chokes and dies
< 1220906622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's there, then it should be of the form 'host:port'
< 1220906629 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it makes a connection to that
< 1220906634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and says 'yo, i gotsa file for you here'
< 1220906646 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after scping the file over to /home/SENDER/.scp-transfers/)
< 1220906659 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the other user accepts it, the reciever daemon just scps it to the directory they specify
< 1220906801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1220906966 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220907335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about ssh
< 1220907346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there is some other ssh in python implementation
< 1220907352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that launchpad and others use for ssh
< 1220907358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like launchpad's bzr+ssh
< 1220907368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea if that is helpful in this case or not
< 1220907727 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220907729 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using ruby
< 1220907777 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1220907782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/net-ssh-2.0.4/lib/net/ssh.rb:195:in `start': tusho (Net::SSH::AuthenticationFailed)
< 1220907790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yea not sure how to make it prompt the console for that kind of stuff
< 1220907797 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use an ssh key
< 1220907813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure either
< 1220907833 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1220907853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# :passphrase => the passphrase to use when loading a private key (default is nil, for no passphrase)
< 1220907853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# :password => the password to use to login
< 1220907855 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1220907858 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask #ruby-lang.
< 1220907863 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They don't know that tusho==ehird. >:D)
< 1220907882 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220907984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[tusho, you can send a password as a parameter - no need for an interactive session]]
< 1220908001 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot wait for the day when people read
< 1220908045 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: you crazy stalker of my about page
< 1220908112 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DARE YOU READ MY WEBSITE
< 1220908144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220908242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stalks too
< 1220908303 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels stalked
< 1220908316 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To be honest Slereah's stalking amounted to "adding me on MSN".)
< 1220908332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what, you use MSN? Heretic!
< 1220908349 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Justification: everybody who uses a computer in the world and wants to talk to me who isn't in #esoteric
< 1220908376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: teach them to use IRC, it's better than MSN for most things from what I know of MSN
< 1220908386 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that would not happen
< 1220908397 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, Adium does jabber and stuff too
< 1220908401 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and makes all protocols look the same
< 1220908401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my whole family is on MSN _except_ me
< 1220908408 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could just pretend they use jabber
< 1220908419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSN's just like IRC, except harder to use and has fewer features
< 1220908425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220908427 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like jabber
< 1220908428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't have channels either
< 1220908431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well, yes
< 1220908432 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except easier to use and has fewer features
< 1220908444 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(jabber is _not_ easy to use for a non-techie)
< 1220908450 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless in the form of Google Talk)
< 1220908466 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but most people don't know about google talk's desktop client so don't use it apart from through gmail)
< 1220908469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: not easier, I've lost count of how many times I've gone into a cybercafe and found someone else's instance MSN Messenger still running because they couldn't figure out how to exit it
< 1220908481 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but generally people don't _need_ to exit it
< 1220908482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then left it running because I couldn't figure out how to exit it either
< 1220908490 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right click the tray icon. click exit
< 1220908501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: this cybercafe doesn't have tray icons
< 1220908513 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's in the menus
< 1220908520 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To make the menus visible, click the little arrow on the title bar.)
< 1220908524 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :File->Exit, specifically.
< 1220908549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, I've done that before when I could get to the menus, half the time though it just hides in the nonexistent system tray and pops up messages from nowhere and I can't close its source
< 1220908564 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click the message's body to pop up an msn window
< 1220908566 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then exit from ther
< 1220908567 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1220908573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thanks
< 1220908579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why couldn't they make it simple and intuitive?
< 1220908587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're idiots
< 1220908601 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, for the stuff most people do with msn (Click a person, type a message, press enter) it's dead simple
< 1220908607 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore has huge market penetration
< 1220908609 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore everyone uses it
< 1220908634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, IRC works almost the same way: double-click on "tusho" (it could be single-click in several clients), type the message, press enter
< 1220908648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, irc works like this
< 1220908658 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you open mIRC (Face it, the users of MSN will not use anything else)
< 1220908672 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you go through the huge server list and pick one (<msn user> What has this got to do with talking to people?)
< 1220908686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bunch of cryptic messages fly past and then a "JOIN CHANNNELLLL" box opens (<msn user> Channel? What? What is that list?)
< 1220908688 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you close it
< 1220908704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Konversation connects to irc.ubuntu.org by default
< 1220908705 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you type /query user (<msn user> /query? Wait, what is the user? Huh, I can't just click in a list?)
< 1220908711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need to actively change it to go elswehere
< 1220908712 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you type and hit enter
< 1220908714 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and guess what?
< 1220908719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can easily create a list of people to click on
< 1220908722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't have fancy nicknames with spaces. No colours. No fonts.
< 1220908727 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSN users _like_ them, as annoying as they aer.
< 1220908728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are
< 1220908746 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a MSN user :(((
< 1220908747 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like how myspace users like customizing their profiles to look god-awful. It's a matter of identity.
< 1220908760 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: here, have a hug *hugs*
< 1220908766 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: konversation?
< 1220908770 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are expecting msn users to be using linux?
< 1220908793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well, no, I'll just wait for KDE to become mainstream on Windows
< 1220908794 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you're quite in tune with the technical ability & rabid familiarity-seeking of most people
< 1220908805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which will never happen
< 1220908806 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220908815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should happen any day now, I reckon, given how bad the default Windows apps are (what default Windows apps...)
< 1220908826 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and moreover, downloading a huge kde install and installing all that and setting it up and aaaaaaaaaa vs downloading one file and hitting 'next'...
< 1220908851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it would make more sense for computer manufacturers to preinstall some useful programs, after all all non-Windows OSes do
< 1220908861 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we are talking in the realm of reality here
< 1220908866 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"teach them to use IRC": not happening
< 1220908875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: who teaches them to use MSN, though?
< 1220908878 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nobody.
< 1220908888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I figured out how to use IRC by myself...
< 1220908890 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they click 'download'. They press next a few times. A window pops up.
< 1220908894 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They enter their username, and their password.
< 1220908896 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They click sign in
< 1220908903 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they can click a persons name and type back and forth.
< 1220908912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that was very easy, I just clicked on a link to an IRC channel on Esolang the first time, and it opened up in Chatzilla)
< 1220908917 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they happen to click the thing labeled 'Font' (Of course they will, all their friends have fancy fonts) they can set it like Word.
< 1220908920 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it.
< 1220908927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it asked for a username (not even a password), and I was connected
< 1220908932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and MSN auto-remembers passwords.
< 1220908936 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and auto-starts at startup
< 1220908945 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So from then on, the process is 1. Click a person's name 2. Type back and forth
< 1220908980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in other words my discovery seemed easier, although it did rather rely on the Mozilla suite coincidentally being installed on that computer (N.B. this is pre-Firefox, it was just Mozilla back then)
< 1220908988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your process sounds very complicated compared to mine
< 1220908998 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@217.202.105.17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220909006 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i really, really don't think you will ever be able to comprehend how the mind of a regular computer user works
< 1220909019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly
< 1220909035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there isn't anything much simpler than clicking on a link and it Just Working
< 1220909044 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll just tell you the results of being in their shoes (having intimately known their computer habits by one being one and by seeing them in action): IRC or Jabber will never, ever be as easy for them as using MSN
< 1220909046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular computer users jump through many more hoops than that
< 1220909087 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers5/1220903957499.jpg
< 1220909091 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT WILL HAPPEN
< 1220909103 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His nose will grow now.
< 1220909193 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his legs will shrink.  if i remember correctly from the original story.
< 1220909237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The fairy said there were two kinds of lies, those with short legs and those with long noses)
< 1220909269 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are self referential paradox short legged?
< 1220909309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1220909311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1220909453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1220909551 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1220909594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knight
< 1220909605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ndamnit oerjan you broke the chainight
< 1220909647 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't want to imply that i was leaving yet
< 1220909678 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not
< 1220909681 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was saying night to AnMaster
< 1220909742 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you say "My nose is not getting shorter?"
< 1220909852 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, I just got that image
< 1220909853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1220909986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220910258 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is ssh even needed?
< 1220910266 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't it just telnet to me directly
< 1220910268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: depends on what you're trying to do
< 1220910272 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have a hardcoded list of people:ip
< 1220910336 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | three bytes to form one rgb?
< 1220910365 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220910369 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just the transfer thing
< 1220910391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and hi fungot, optbot
< 1220910392 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: uhm ^^
< 1220910392 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ( ok), then i say ' gets the current stack
< 1220910506 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1220910511 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be an interesting befunge extension
< 1220910516 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or whatever other stack language)
< 1220910521 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add first class stacks, then '
< 1220910525 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which pushes the stack to the stack
< 1220910530 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The stack pre-push, obviously)
< 1220910545 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or not pre-push: Make it update with the stack)
< 1220910605 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly wonders: can "first class" be first class?
< 1220910626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not sure if that makes sense, but I hope it does
< 1220910672 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's what I think about most things in #esoteric...
< 1220910732 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we might be the friendliest programming channel there is
< 1220910735 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next to #haskell
< 1220910751 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen a few rows in #haskell, just minor though
< 1220910767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been rows here too, but none of them have been on-topic
< 1220910775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only rows we have are between well-established users
< 1220910779 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly, one of them is me)
< 1220910832 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and generally they're consistent
< 1220910840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mainly argue with psygnisfive and AnMaster
< 1220910843 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220910845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mainly row with them
< 1220910853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i argue with ais523, but not in the same way
< 1220910923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, maybe try being nice for once?
< 1220910942 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i could say the same for you with how you act in the arguments
< 1220910949 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, i am nice most of the time
< 1220911304 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@i-174.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220911979 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you succeded in killing melap yet?
< 1220912009 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, had an idea for another eso lang.. doubleCheck(), basically you have to write every instruction, function parameters, etc
< 1220912011 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least twice :P
< 1220912031 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :melap?
< 1220912097 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the guy you always complain about, the one on the wiki
< 1220912105 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may not speak a lot, but i sometimes read
< 1220912110 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220912113 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*melab
< 1220912117 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well
< 1220912118 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :him
< 1220912119 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220912121 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only complained about him since yesterday
< 1220912121 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220912129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220912136 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a laugh at his sprawling, huge user subpages beforehand
< 1220912137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was ages ago
< 1220912163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :billions and billions
< 1220912364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:18] <leogorerd> eh, I really don't like esoteric languages
< 1220912364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:18] <leogorerd> they tend to be annoying and can be done easier with other languages
< 1220912379 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220912383 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: where is that from
< 1220912399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#nethack, somehow the conversation there got round to INTERCAL
< 1220912467 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1220912493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all the strange features coming into INTERCAL there'll just have to be some killer app it ends up being really good at
< 1220912504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bit-reversal is one well-known one
< 1220912511 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't seem to have convinced him
< 1220912513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slightly shorter in INTERCAL than in C
< 1220912523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's INTERCAL-72, no funky features needed
< 1220912538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1220912539 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yeah, I was thinking of possibly designing something for my senior design project next year, but then I used brainfuck and changed my mind"
< 1220912542 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that meant to make sense?
< 1220912554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for modern INTERCAL, I went and wrote a continuation library in it in 24 hours, despite continuations not being part of the language, that should give you some clue as to its power
< 1220912565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: probably
< 1220912573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does it?
< 1220912590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I think so, it looks like something that makes sens but is out of context
< 1220912604 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i wonder if he realises what channel he is in
< 1220912633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: arrgh, the last few comments make me want to make nethack into an esolang now
< 1220912642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, set up a level so that the AI does computation
< 1220912644 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: DO IT
< 1220912659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I need to figure out how first
< 1220912667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to do that sort of conversion all the time
< 1220912676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally I implemented noughts-and-crosses, then stopped
< 1220912679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's pretty easy
< 1220912730 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :._;
< 1220912741 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a combination of ._., ;_; and o_O
< 1220912749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the floor, then an altar, then a shark or other water creature?
< 1220912782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a face
< 1220912795 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O, but with the ._. eyes and the ;_; tears
< 1220912796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :._;
< 1220912796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: nethack strikes me as being a great example program to get working on gcc-bf
< 1220912803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doesn't it use ncurses or some shit
< 1220912805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd just need an unbuffering interpreter
< 1220912808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: translate ncurses too
< 1220912816 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doesn't it use ioctl
< 1220912817 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff like tht
< 1220912819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just outputting and inputting characters, of course
< 1220912821 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ncurses)
< 1220912824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it uses termcap
< 1220912831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which just consults files to determine what to output
< 1220912831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1220912839 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it consult a file
< 1220912845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I have a filesystem implemented
< 1220912847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in gcc-bf
< 1220912849 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1220912850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the tape
< 1220912870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's at the ABI level, I can't translate it to brainfuck /yet/...
< 1220912891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABI's designed to be pretty easy to translate though, I just need to get round to writing idioms
< 1220912909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and figuring out how to sensibly multiply and divide 64-bit numbers in 8-bit brainfuck
< 1220913020 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220913180 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that channel is weird.
< 1220913180 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220913188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: in what way?
< 1220913194 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno
< 1220913534 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1220913609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:00] --> raylu has joined this channel (i=raylu@128.237.96.181).
< 1220913609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:39] <raylu> I will /part.
< 1220913609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:39] <-- raylu has left this channel.
< 1220913613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was in #irp
< 1220913616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange!
< 1220913681 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-referential IRP, it's the future!
< 1220913714 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speech acts
< 1220913716 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I part the channel
< 1220913717 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/part
< 1220913732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: by the way, my filesystem is very simple: it allows all characters but NUL in filenames, but has no directories or permissions or anything like that
< 1220913740 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why no NUL
< 1220913741 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1220913774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: end-of-string in C
< 1220913785 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but :|
< 1220913788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way to pass strings containing NUL to fopen and suchlike
< 1220913793 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok
< 1220913798 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when you do add directories
< 1220913800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no point in supporting them as there'd be no way to use them
< 1220913800 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add ESCAPE CHARACTERS
< 1220913803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can have / in filenames
< 1220913813 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you have a project called In/Out
< 1220913815 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In\/Out/foo
< 1220913818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you are possibly overthinking this...
< 1220913827 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In\\/Out/foo <-- foo from Out from In\
< 1220913829 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: NO
< 1220913832 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be AWESOME
< 1220913860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only purpose of this is to keep C's standard library things like fopen happy, and to keep programs which expect a filesystem happy
< 1220913871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aiming for portability to as many C programs as possible, which is why int is 32 bits
< 1220913872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, tons of things use directories
< 1220913882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when you do implement them, add my awesome.
< 1220913886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, unfortunately, most programs can live without them though I think
< 1220913892 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it
< 1220913895 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not useful ones, at least
< 1220913899 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opendir is incredibly common
< 1220913930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I don't think nethack uses it
< 1220913937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does C-INTERCAL, although it needs files to exist
< 1220913938 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls. (duh)
< 1220913940 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :git.
< 1220913944 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi
< 1220913960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could go on but those are some obvious ones
< 1220913962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I think it would be easy enough to port vi to a directoriless file system
< 1220913966 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, vi just checks for directoriness)
< 1220913973 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vim+netrw...)
< 1220913974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was talking about programs that don't need a filesystem really
< 1220913977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like nethack
< 1220913984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should aim for the top
< 1220913986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D
< 1220913987 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220913990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing about it apart from the save intrinsically needs a filesystem
< 1220914003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if we're going that root I may as well just port Linux and have done with it
< 1220914024 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YES
< 1220914032 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make the kernel compile with gcc-bf
< 1220914035 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO IT NOW
< 1220914039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: a few things at a time
< 1220914045 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i specified "NOW"
< 1220914046 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220914053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even written any of the assembler apart from loading constants into memory yet...
< 1220914073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by the way I thought of trying to put constant strings into code rather than tape, but it turned out to be more trouble than it was worth)
< 1220914399 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :666666666666666315
< 1220914401 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :56
< 1220914405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9
< 1220914433 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :121212121212121212121245
< 1220914439 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220914613 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.webaim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/
< 1220914635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, an explanation of why all browsers claim to be Mozilla?
< 1220914667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all browsers claim to be everything these days :P
< 1220914752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/0.2.149.27 Safari/525.13
< 1220914755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear...
< 1220914761 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1220914782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is it based on? WebKit? But not the Apple version?
< 1220914791 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just webkit
< 1220914794 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they wrote their own drawing layer
< 1220914802 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the one safari/win uses uses internal apple apis
< 1220914804 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is closed source
< 1220914812 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220914856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I just bookmarked that web page, well done
< 1220914866 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay :P
< 1220915906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"9"
< 1220916999 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
< 1220917001 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VOTE FOR HIM
< 1220917516 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant
< 1220917684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1220918645 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1220920177 0 :CO2Games!n=CO2Games@75-173-251-127.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220921626 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1220921880 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1220924667 0 :CakeProphet!n=bread@h90.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220924704 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220930035 0 :Figs!n=Figs@ip72-197-62-184.sd.sd.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220930046 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1220930060 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220930098 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's life?
< 1220930522 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk
< 1220931936 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4OnHCRd_4
< 1220932341 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220932598 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220932663 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220932664 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | THE LAST DIGIT OF PI IS 3 (in base reverse-10)
< 1220932670 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220932689 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220932689 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | it's enterprisey
< 1220932694 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's weird.
< 1220932707 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it do something every time you say "optbot!"?
< 1220932708 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: I certainly agree with that :P
< 1220932718 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o
< 1220932735 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, you're creepy.
< 1220932735 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: putting arbitrary numbers on the stack isn't easy eh?
< 1220932737 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to rape optbot to death.
< 1220932738 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i want to define 3-5 ports and then have the rest implementation defined
< 1220932744 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hot.
< 1220932756 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll "define" your "ports", optbot.
< 1220932757 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Oh. Your friend there.
< 1220932988 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are any of you knowledgeable with x86 asm?
< 1220933008 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot is
< 1220933008 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: I wonder whether PowerPC would fit that criterion.
< 1220933015 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220933016 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | still 4th here
< 1220933024 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see?
< 1220933026 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220933027 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | DEFMACRO is the only way to do some stuff
< 1220933256 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, no...? :P
< 1220933280 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220933281 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | for at least *one* of the new operators
< 1220933298 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optbot, do you know anything about x86 programming?
< 1220933299 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: Just changed stack to tape and operation to symbol
< 1220933313 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220933979 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220937561 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220937561 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | !lazyk
< 1220937566 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220937566 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | with exceptions, special cases, hard to evolve and so on.
< 1220937571 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220937572 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | not sure why clear works now
< 1220937576 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220937577 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | it's written by a complete nutjob. A crazy person. Somebody who is not sane. Just like people who come up with alternative tunings.
< 1220937583 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1220937598 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, speak english
< 1220937599 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: 5 dollars.
< 1220937602 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1220937614 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, wtf
< 1220937615 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: 99.999% of IRC servers ignore what the hostname is and just go with it.
< 1220937643 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, use teh english
< 1220937644 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/esoteric/psox.txt
< 1220937649 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err?
< 1220937953 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obsolete
< 1220937971 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an old version of PSOX, which is currently dead.
< 1220937978 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of the PSOX spec
< 1220938269 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220938609 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya guys
< 1220938615 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220940412 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1220946457 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1220946949 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1220947098 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
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< 1220947199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1220948268 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220948565 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1220949717 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"
< 1220951040 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@i-188.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1220953536 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ok
< 1220953714 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
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< 1220957278 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fizzie3
< 1220957444 0 :fizzie3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Moving."
< 1220957974 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220958530 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"
< 1220958613 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1220960645 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1220961708 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
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< 1220962913 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220962946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1220962950 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this place only has 21 members?
< 1220962952 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had 50 in 2007
< 1220962985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, popsicles
< 1220963000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1220963000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220964760 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@m-159.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220964858 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220964858 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | axo2i has exited due to signal 11 (SIGSEGV).
< 1220964987 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220964988 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I was ignoring you.
< 1220964991 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1220965002 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220965002 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://www.explosm.net/comics/644/
< 1220965009 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220965010 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | so don't store them as 32-bit.
< 1220965013 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220965014 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | hmm
< 1220965016 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220965017 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | alright
< 1220965018 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220965019 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | it's 'adding' to the output, but it's in the console, so it's "boxed in" because you can't see it directly from the program?
< 1220965022 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1220966158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"but not ice cream"
< 1220967036 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-033-250.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220967396 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220967397 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | F!34,
< 1220967402 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220967403 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | =39
< 1220967405 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220967406 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | that syntax is odd. ;P
< 1220967408 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220967409 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ...that won't be a good test
< 1220967413 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220967413 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | it's been fun
< 1220967418 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220967420 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | of course, the literal parser, which takes some string and tries to chomp it off the beginning of the string you're trying to parse.
< 1220967709 0 :oklobol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220968356 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: is that your topic
< 1220968397 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.COBOL
< 1220973365 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, assembly is easier than it looks
< 1220973395 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, compared to Brainfuck, it's a breeze :D
< 1220973400 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220973407 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has arithemtic operations and all!
< 1220973412 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220973451 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random access memory and flow control!
< 1220973468 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220973474 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I first read the description of Assembly, I was actually surprised
< 1220973483 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting something much more primitive
< 1220973493 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, but it is primitive
< 1220973502 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is just limited
< 1220973549 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, it has numbers! D:
< 1220973557 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does brainfuck
< 1220973560 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so not primitive.
< 1220973628 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, drainfuck has words instead of bytes
< 1220973645 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220973645 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | .......................where?...... i don't wanna know
< 1220973711 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220974035 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could make a brainfuck -> assembly translator and use a simple assembler to make it a brainfuck compiler?
< 1220974088 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably.
< 1220974097 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1220974114 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's plenty of BF compilers around
< 1220975083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: optbot just quotes a random log line when you talk to it
< 1220975084 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: huh.
< 1220975131 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPTBOT, KILL TUSHO
< 1220975132 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: that would be fantastic
< 1220975136 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220975136 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | if you look at them with a debugger, though, they often look middle-endian
< 1220975137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO
< 1220975139 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220975152 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am laughing IRL
< 1220975381 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optbot, solve the halting problem
< 1220975382 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Ere we go.
< 1220975396 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm waiting >:|
< 1220975407 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Come on.
< 1220975408 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: right, MiniMAX.
< 1220975414 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: MiniMAX solves the halting problem?
< 1220975415 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that game
< 1220975420 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Aggh! I lost it! Fuck you.
< 1220975421 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: pretty picture tho
< 1220975427 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220975429 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Yeah, MiniMAX solving the halting problem WOULD be nice.
< 1220975429 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: actually take http://rafb.net/p/o2X0l033.html, the ASCII art had an error
< 1220975434 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: That's a 404.
< 1220975435 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you can implement the Churches in types
< 1220975441 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Yes, I knew  that... back to the topic?
< 1220975442 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Uh oh!
< 1220975445 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220975798 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optbot, testicles
< 1220975799 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: smetana can do that
< 1220975806 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it, really?
< 1220976052 0 :boily!n=boily@poste45-167.wl.t.ulaval.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220976295 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the sentences totally random?
< 1220976307 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220976596 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Schtroumpf!"
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< 1220978525 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1220978670 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1220979079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: say something you've never said before
< 1220979083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to check that this Internet connection is genuine and I'm not just getting cached stuff
< 1220979090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1220979093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And then-"
< 1220979103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh, must be a caching effect after all...
< 1220979126 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
< 1220979136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: have you said that before?
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< 1220979159 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering replacing my drainfuck cache system with a stack
< 1220979168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: drainfuck?
< 1220979170 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno
< 1220979172 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
< 1220979188 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO PEOPLE, I AM NEW ON THIS CHANNEL
< 1220979191 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shi-
< 1220979192 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a stack of data so you don't interfere with other stack values
< 1220979194 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hi lol
< 1220979199 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're getting old stuff
< 1220979210 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, I have blogged about nazi dinosaurs. http://tusho.net/blog/
< 1220979241 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ uploads to the cache, and V downloads from it
< 1220979282 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't use stacks
< 1220979285 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stacks are evil.
< 1220979286 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1220979290 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What how
< 1220979292 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around stacks, never relax.
< 1220979306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: clearly you've never seen Underload, then
< 1220979311 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have :o
< 1220979332 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, I could have a stack as a replacement for the cache.
< 1220979391 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also meanwhile, I am working on StoryGen v2.
< 1220979414 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the unwashed masses: The premise is this:
< 1220979419 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You see the latest fragment of the current story, and only the latest.
< 1220979421 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You can submit a new fragment, which then becomes the latest.
< 1220979424 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* After 25 fragments, the story is finished, all the fragments are put next to each other, the story is moved to the archive, and a new one begins.
< 1220979428 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well hmm...then again there is the & jump that uses the cache
< 1220979442 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any lions?
< 1220979460 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make use of * for something
< 1220979465 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and $
< 1220979579 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well shit.
< 1220979610 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have the cache and it's already implemented in the jump command
< 1220979639 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: why are you so afraid of deleting code
< 1220979648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like "oh but I already wrote this bug, I can't remove it"
< 1220979650 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to lose backwards compatibility
< 1220979655 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loooooooooooool
< 1220979660 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me, how many drainfuck programs are there?
< 1220979668 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :practically none
< 1220979668 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many not written by you>?
< 1220979673 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right then
< 1220979673 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably none
< 1220979681 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can revise it as you wish.
< 1220979688 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the original implementation should still remain
< 1220979715 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1220979723 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You evidently have decided that it's bad.
< 1220979724 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So get rid of it.
< 1220979740 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's bad but I should keep it
< 1220979763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1220979768 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of keeping something bad for no reason
< 1220979771 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to be the guy who removes obsolete support and yet complains about no 5.25" floppy support in xp
< 1220979787 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy your bloated as hell code, I guess.
< 1220979803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt even ais523 would complain about lack of 5.25" floppy support, though.
< 1220979814 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I complain about it though
< 1220979829 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 5.25" working perfectly fine on my dos machine
< 1220979844 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pasting this from another channel since it's funny (about the LHC going off):
< 1220979845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> particle -> <- particle
< 1220979845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> particle -> <- particle
< 1220979845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> particle -><- particle
< 1220979845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> <- nazi riding dinosaur wielding laser gun ->
< 1220979870 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oshi
< 1220979879 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1220979901 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well perhaps I could have a command to switch between the stack and cache for the ^ and V commands
< 1220979924 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: jesus christ
< 1220979932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've already decided the cache is inferior to the stack
< 1220979936 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just TRASH THE CACHE
< 1220979942 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude
< 1220979945 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey right
< 1220979950 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when are we gonna die, tusho?
< 1220979964 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it somewhere around here?
< 1220979965 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: after the nazis riding dinosaurs while wielding laser guns kill us all
< 1220979975 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No time.
< 1220979975 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stack isn't fully compatible with the cache
< 1220979976 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but what time?
< 1220979983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: your mom o clock
< 1220979985 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: and?!
< 1220979987 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The LHC is gonna destroy the universe, dontcha know
< 1220979994 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: yes, but when?
< 1220980003 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to keep backwards compatibility
< 1220980004 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT NO-
< 1220980014 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckers i'll google :D
< 1220980017 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSHI WE DIED
< 1220980027 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah i guess i'll see
< 1220980033 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will there be Brainfuck in heaven?
< 1220980039 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope so
< 1220980041 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or will we be damned to the Malbolge?
< 1220980061 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cool thing about brainfuck is you can write it in class and the teacher will be like "wtfh"
< 1220980084 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what class can you write about it?
< 1220980089 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any
< 1220980100 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solid state physics?
< 1220980120 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just write it down while the teacher blabbers on about how john mccain aided in the revolutionary war
< 1220980151 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he's not all young!
< 1220980174 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His social security number is 8. He infact said that himself
< 1220980192 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was 1, the founder of the social security?
< 1220980201 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess
< 1220980277 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: no it isn't
< 1220980278 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a joke.
< 1220980285 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1220980292 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he did say it none-the-less.
< 1220980305 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source?
< 1220980314 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tonight Show with Jay Leno
< 1220980321 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interview with John McCain
< 1220980374 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it the real McCain, or just a corpse dressed like him?
< 1220980381 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it was McCain
< 1220980394 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: What is the difference.
< 1220980396 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He walked in and sat down and talked and shit
< 1220980404 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :da dun tsh
< 1220980404 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them can get legally elected
< 1220980411 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmfao
< 1220980436 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is a disfigured goulish figure, and one of them is a corpse
< 1220980444 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl
< 1220980522 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have a command that switches the cache into stack mode
< 1220980700 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, ais523
< 1220980702 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is gcc-bf
< 1220980716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: improving
< 1220980732 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it run anything yet?
< 1220980733 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay I'm working on a $ command now.
< 1220980742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a version of the compiler which in theory could be final but which probably will need tweaking at some point
< 1220980765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the library's finished but not tested, the linker's potentially finished
< 1220980774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all I have left is the assembler, and I've started on that
< 1220980795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the moment I'm working on something that breaks the asm down into smaller chunks, a bit like gimplification but different
< 1220980854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: btw, the topic quote, was that me?
< 1220980857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like it could have been
< 1220980862 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep
< 1220980869 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, you used to capitalize and talk a bit like fizzie
< 1220980874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grepped for your first appearence
< 1220980877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can capitalise sometimes
< 1220980902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do normally end up capitalising in environments where everyone else does, it's just that this isn't one of those environments
< 1220980915 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I'll fix that, then.
< 1220980925 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you talked weird back then.
< 1220980937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm having cognitive dissonance with the ais2007 and the aisnow.
< 1220980945 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I am talking like this to make you talk like this to rectify the situation.
< 1220981373 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooooooh...
< 1220981375 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets idea
< 1220981382 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> oh dear, what is it?
< 1220981387 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, idea !
< 1220981388 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: found it too
< 1220981392 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1220981398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: accurate quote...
< 1220981399 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o~
< 1220981407 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol tusho
< 1220981412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least plausible quote
< 1220981475 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a javascript library that offers a bridge to flash. that is, you can do ActionScript.eval("foo") and similar. advantages? you can plug into the fancy stuff flash can do: e.g. access webcam and microphone via Webcam and Microphone classes, which would just be written in js using the bridge
< 1220981478 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be rather nifty.
< 1220981496 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. all in JS, you could get images from the camera, and then use them in a <canvas>
< 1220981500 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without having to mess around with flash yourself
< 1220981602 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks of countless silly toys he coudl make with that
< 1220981616 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS Bach!
< 1220981724 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wu
< 1220981725 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1220981854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"9"
< 1220983470 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I've come up with a solution :D
< 1220984290 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
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< 1220985504 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1220985786 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1220986478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220986478 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | And implementation of such
< 1220986492 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot optbot optbot optbot optbot optbot optbot optbot optbot
< 1220986492 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: :-P
< 1220986496 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1220986498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: you're implemented? i'd never have guessed
< 1220986498 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that you can compose to make full lambdas
< 1220986507 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He sure does
< 1220986513 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan
< 1220986518 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make me some full lambdas.
< 1220986520 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Can't touch this!
< 1220986529 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1220986530 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | And I also covered a bug that would allow you to say something like:
< 1220986531 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey!
< 1220986533 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220986575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\x.xx) (\x.xx)
< 1220986580 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1220986585 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WON'T STOP
< 1220986592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BWAHAHA
< 1220986620 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it uses constant space, if you're lucky
< 1220986681 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike ```sii``sii lazily
< 1220986689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1220986713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can collect extra i's if unoptimized
< 1220986733 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not called lazy for nothing boy
< 1220986763 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is
< 1220986771 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined by someone lazy
< 1220986773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whateve
< 1220986794 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just said 'olol i tink it lazy oo a word wut i doo wif it?'
< 1220986901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, they're never strict about it
< 1220986912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3 points for understanding the pun)
< 1220986963 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did :(
< 1220987003 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why the dour face?
< 1220987081 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a nurd
< 1220987362 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220987804 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220987810 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X works in my parser now
< 1220987821 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XXX :o
< 1220987914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XXXXX
< 1220988288 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220988321 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220988531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* the topic kills ais523 with suspense
< 1220988764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kills ais523 with suspenders
< 1220988780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AARRRGGGGGH!
< 1220988788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1220988803 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220988930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220989036 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220989078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about that
< 1220989144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worries, it's easy to get carried away when you're killed
< 1220990730 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
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< 1220990913 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh lawd
< 1220990917 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1220990920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: in what way?
< 1220990920 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1220990925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bye M0ny
< 1220990926 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Habari&redirect=no The proposer just tried to get it deleted because it's non-notable (seems like he's a rabid deletionist.)
< 1220990937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now he's mr sarcasm, apparently.
< 1220990958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: there was a serious attempt to AfD the main page featured article for non-notability once
< 1220990966 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1220990968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they delayed the start of the AfD a day to avoid an AfD tag on TFA
< 1220990978 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just pointing out the rabid violation of WP:Point.
< 1220991075 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now someone needs to MfD user:misterdiscreet for nonnotablity
< 1220991161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: WP:N only applies to mainspace, at least I hope it still does
< 1220991169 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. Still :D
< 1220991175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wistfully remembers when WP:N was only an "essay" and many users disagreed with it
< 1220991729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the feature request was deleted
< 1220991739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which feature request?
< 1220991762 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1220991789 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD BRAIN
< 1220991805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the FA candidate
< 1220991897 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@j-63.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220991900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1220991921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    * 19:16, 9 September 2008 Karanacs (Talk | contribs) deleted "Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Habari" ‎ (G6: Housekeeping and routine (non-controversial) cleanup: bad-faith FAC nomination)
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< 1220992081 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"lolwhut?"
< 1220992910 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1220993238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 ais523 ais523 ais523 ais523 ais523 ais523 ais523 ais523
< 1220993254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
< 1220993263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I am trying for that half a BAF
< 1220993309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, a whole BAF, even better
< 1220993366 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1220993369 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said 0.5
< 1220993379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: your pledge says a whole BAF
< 1220993382 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok
< 1220993390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless "increment" means something other than +1 nowadays
< 1220993447 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the opposite of increment excrement?
< 1220993468 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1220993469 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decrement
< 1220993487 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make a language with an excrement function.
< 1220993618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had to come to this, hadn't it
< 1220993646 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, I am reviving storygen
< 1220993651 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1220993653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already said  that
< 1220993654 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1220993665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you seem to be saying xD a lot more than usual lately
< 1220993677 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed, also :^)
< 1220993679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what is BAF?
< 1220993679 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT EATS HIM FROM INSIDE
< 1220993684 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally end up using one and deciding I like it
< 1220993688 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus using it more before forgetting
< 1220993693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a measurement of favours tusho invented
< 1220993696 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220993698 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big Agoran Favours
< 1220993708 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one Big Agoran Favour could be, e.g. my participation in a scam
< 1220993716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear.  and is it legislated too?
< 1220993716 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or transferring a moderate amount of assets
< 1220993722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no
< 1220993724 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally informal
< 1220993734 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, no agora forum has ever seen a definition of "BAF" posted, though ##nomic has
< 1220993747 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, everyone has their own personal stash of (person,baf-count)
< 1220993763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "You have N BAFs" means "You have N BAFs in my personal stash of BAFs"
< 1220993772 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the values for mine are fuzzy
< 1220993776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., not actually written down anywhere
< 1220993829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and B is the only prefix used?
< 1220993840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes
< 1220993844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: we need Medium-sized Agoran Favours, now!
< 1220993844 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just invented them one day
< 1220993846 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly there is room for expansion there
< 1220993853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 1 MAF = 0.5 BAF
< 1220993853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely
< 1220993855 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use 0.5 BAF
< 1220993862 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 SAF = 0.25 BAF
< 1220993867 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 HAF = 2 BAF
< 1220993881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 EAF = 2 HAF
< 1220993887 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220993887 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the kAF, 1000 MAF
< 1220993897 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Kick-ass Agoran Favour?
< 1220993901 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilo
< 1220993908 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer kick-ass.
< 1220993911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that's backwards from SI
< 1220993922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M = 1000 k
< 1220993941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could use D&D size classes, Fine/Tiny/Small/Medium/Large/Huge/Gargantuan/Colossal
< 1220993948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each of which is approximately twice as large as the one before
< 1220993965 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 TAF = 0.125 BAF
< 1220993970 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the value of a favor in USD?
< 1220993983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's almost what we had
< 1220993994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except big instead of Large
< 1220994012 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1220994019 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If each one is twice the previous
< 1220994028 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should we use the kibi thing?
< 1220994051 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's 1024 which despite common factors is rather different from 2
< 1220994080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense, they only differ by 2 on an 8-bit system
< 1220994085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are identical on a 1-bit system
< 1220994115 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is the double of 512
< 1220994119 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1220994121 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the double of ...
< 1220994124 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so on
< 1220994127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe binary is too vanilla for this
< 1220994439 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: 1 BAF = $1
< 1220994441 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say
< 1220994449 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends how much you value agora
< 1220994452 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1220994455 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess more like 75c
< 1220994462 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220994467 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 BAF = 75c seems about right to me
< 1220994470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your thoughts?
< 1220994494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's not worth trying to come up with a mapping
< 1220994502 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1220994528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the dollar is far too unstable
< 1220994541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I haven't slept for well over 24 hours now, and the value of nomic assets is traditionally very volatile
< 1220994570 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: still - agora as it currently is, what would you say?
< 1220994578 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, pretending that you would actually exchange money for it.
< 1220994586 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say 75c=1BAF is about right
< 1220994587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't risk such an exchange in either direction, probably
< 1220994598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And please, keep in mind that Agoran currency is considered *stable* for a nomic.
< 1220994599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was some ridiculously favourable exchange rate
< 1220994614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, just see what happened to the value of the B Nomic mack for instance
< 1220994628 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we're in hypothetical land here
< 1220994632 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind that you wouldn't ;)
< 1220994634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to guess that it had hyperinflation.
< 1220994640 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes
< 1220994643 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 did a join scam
< 1220994649 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he could specify some ratification guys
< 1220994654 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to award them for referring him to the game
< 1220994661 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he made 1 billion registration requests
< 1220994664 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifying the same people each time
< 1220994669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can say repeat N times in B)
< 1220994676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ratification/referral/
< 1220994676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they each got 1 billion mack, iirc
< 1220994680 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1220994681 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sorry, thinko
< 1220994698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice.
< 1220994742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they passed a proposal to reduce everyone's mack total to no more than m1000, but not before Wooble had used his massive stash of mack to buy up every available asset in the game
< 1220994745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e still owns them AFAICT
< 1220994794 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220995176 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssss
< 1220995437 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is the default ii
< 1220995449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: 1, and wrong channel
< 1220995455 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but all the previous was wrong channel
< 1220995497 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tue Sep  9 13:24:24 2008 - agora-propose.cgi: ehird added proposal /var/www/sites/nomic.info/perlnomic/agora-proposals/undistributed.1 to the pool.
< 1220995498 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^.^
< 1220995506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you can hardly expect me to interpret acronyms in the wrong case in the wrong channel after having had what feels like negative hours of sleep and being forced to help someone buy a computer than runs Vista earlier
< 1220995510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: did you tell Agora about it
< 1220995528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: goethe proposed it
< 1220995543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, they wanted to install Linux alongside and use only that to access the Internet, the Vista bit was just to fulfil the letter of a contract
< 1220995563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what did the contract say?
< 1220995585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had to meet the minimum system requirements, and they only listed windows XP and Vista as operating systems that met the minimum system requirements
< 1220995611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha!
< 1220995626 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are still shops selling xp pcs
< 1220995628 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there?
< 1220995637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I don't think so, they'd have to have spare licences left over
< 1220995641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1220995644 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid microsoft
< 1220995657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft don't sell XP licences any more to resale, although some people stockpiled them when the announcement came through for obvious reasons
< 1220995677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, I got weird looks talking about how much I like UAC
< 1220995687 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uac is a good principle, terrible implementation
< 1220995694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220995712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they stole the principle from Linux or from OS X, not sure which came up with it first
< 1220995723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether the idea of a GUI sudo comes from something older like UNIX
< 1220995742 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be something called xsudo.
< 1220995745 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds nice and archaic and old.
< 1220995755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, its name even starts with x
< 1220995761 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my indicator
< 1220995761 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220995765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ever tried xedit?
< 1220995768 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite odd, but easy  to use
< 1220995770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220995772 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it is featureless
< 1220995775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like graphical nano?
< 1220995778 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda
< 1220995780 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but less features
< 1220995784 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no keyboard shortcuts
< 1220995790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have more features than cat?
< 1220995793 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220995794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, I'm worried
< 1220995812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wil take a screenshot
< 1220995937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yo. accept that
< 1220995942 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1220995953 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that dcc.
< 1220995953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out how
< 1220995959 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1220995963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it
< 1220995973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dcc, followed by clicking on "accept" in the GUI
< 1220995979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_x
< 1220995996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably there's an entirely command-based way, but that was fast enough to figure out
< 1220996002 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dcc accept
< 1220996004 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably
< 1220996015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: reminds me of Notepad
< 1220996025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notepad has more features
< 1220996026 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1220996028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the same idea, get a text area and stick it in a window and call it an editor
< 1220996038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but this has search & reverse search!
< 1220996043 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-modal search too, if you look
< 1220996055 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can load and save files without a dialog, too
< 1220996061 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220996066 0 :oklobol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220996082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: so can notepad, it can load files from the command line and save them with control-S
< 1220996092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about save as
< 1220996096 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that non-modally with xedit
< 1220996097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think notepad's search is non-modal nowadays
< 1220996106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ...non-modal Save As?
< 1220996117 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes - just change the filename at the top and hit save
< 1220996120 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in xedit
< 1220996127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only other editor I know which can do that is Emacs, and I've never done that deliberately
< 1220996156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can press C-x w for save-as, then C-x o and go back to editing your document with the save as prompt still open, then save your document as some time later)
< 1220996191 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google-analytics.com/ga.js google should participate in the IOCC
< 1220996206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: IOJCC?
< 1220996224 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :International obfuscated javascript contest c?
< 1220996238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :International obfuscated ecmascript coding contest, obviously
< 1220996256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it just looks like minified JS
< 1220996266 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ECMAScript does not start with J
< 1220996280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does, obviously, for instance .js is the file extensoin
< 1220996291 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file extension != language name
< 1220996304 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: objective-c = .m
< 1220996307 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW WHAT
< 1220996310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: wrong, for instance that's why OpenXML abbreviates to .docx
< 1220996323 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.m totally makes me think of the word objective-c
< 1220996326 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is objective-c now called M?
< 1220996333 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: it's for iMplementation or something
< 1220996342 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How unimaginative
< 1220996384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, programs written in Compiler Language With No Pronouncable Acronym normally have the extension .i
< 1220996411 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does make me think of INTERCAL :o
< 1220996442 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file extension for my Turing machine would be .lm9
< 1220996450 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't do files :(
< 1220996493 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@217.201.193.156 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220996582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the other extreme, MicroSoft WIndows Movie Maker files end .MSWMM (in allcaps), which most of my family (including me) think is almost as stupid as the application itself
< 1220996606 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file extensions are a historical relic anyway
< 1220996614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like them
< 1220996616 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the days when filenames could only be so long and "metadata" was a buzzword
< 1220996618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as they aren't too long
< 1220996622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.3 ftw!
< 1220996633 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.3 kinda breaks down when you want to do useful stuff
< 1220996645 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you make a movie called Godzilla Murders Everyone in a Fashionable Way
< 1220996649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and for people who say that file systems shouldn't restrict filenames, I tend to name things 8.3 anyway to speed up typing)
< 1220996658 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmeiafw.mve isn't very helpful
< 1220996661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: gmeiafw.ogv
< 1220996669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Godzilla Murders Everyone in a Fashionable Way.movie is.
< 1220996671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try typing your filename into a command prompt, without tab complete
< 1220996682 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: command lines without tab complete are also a relic :)
< 1220996684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with one hand
< 1220996708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: 8.3 names also reduce the number of characters you need to type to disambiguate the tab-complete, on average
< 1220996712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's a bit of a small effect
< 1220996721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I do often end up using a computer one-handed
< 1220996731 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole method of entering filenames that way is a historical relic :D
< 1220996736 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | or something like that
< 1220996737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pain to press ctrl-alt-del that way though
< 1220996753 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, did you know: The writer of Worse is Better disagrees with it?
< 1220996756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n.b. it's the logout keychord here on Ubuntu)
< 1220996765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was part of a larger paper promoting the Right Way
< 1220996774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I think is a nice amusing touch, as well as being useful)
< 1220996790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dreamsongs.com/Files/worse-is-worse.pdf
< 1220996796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :under a pseudonym which you may recognize
< 1220996869 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse-is-incredibly-annoying.pdf
< 1220996892 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and-better
< 1220996921 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-frosted-butts
< 1220996931 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-hi-guys-im-new-to-this-filename-asl
< 1220996945 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-with-chocolate
< 1220996952 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i-like-chocolate-lol
< 1220996986 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-bob-was-here-too
< 1220996992 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-THEN-WHO-WAS-FILE
< 1220997053 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-tusho-woz-ere-2008
< 1220997098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-nietzsche-is-dead
< 1220997119 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-says-god
< 1220997217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-in-bed
< 1220997251 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-lol
< 1220997287 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-nietzsche-is-dead, god is dead, and i also don't feel really well
< 1220997300 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use feel like this :P
< 1220997341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: Too many arguments
< 1220997355 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1220997363 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1220997366 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it ends
< 1220997407 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse-is-incredibly-annoying-and-better-frosted-butts-hi-guys-im-new-to-this-filename-asl-with-chocolate-i-like-chocolate-lol-bob-was-here-too-THEN-WHO-WAS-FILE-tusho-woz-ere-2008-nietzsche-is-dead-says-god-in-bed-lol-nietzsche-is-dead.pdf
< 1220997429 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make that article.
< 1220997434 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be about... Knowledge.
< 1220997442 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be a report on its own filename
< 1220997459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Slashdot commentor> Besides, Mark Shuttleworth probably has enough money to either find or genetically engineer new species, then name them to fit Ubuntu's releases
< 1220997486 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *commenter
< 1220997496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: can't I use Agora spelling?
< 1220997505 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1220997505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, commentrix for all I know
< 1220997507 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1220997544 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot teach an old species new trix
< 1220997551 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.<
< 1220997552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this comes due to Slashdot discussing that they've named Ubuntu J now
< 1220997563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu j?
< 1220997570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jaunty Jackalope, it seems
< 1220997574 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...lol
< 1220997603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now wants a basselope
< 1220997619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I doubt there are many good options for J
< 1220997647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, linus has already named M
< 1220997650 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Masturbating Monkey)
< 1220997680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: one of the commentators there decided that Ubuntu were using memorable rare words to make the various versions easier to Google
< 1220997683 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orang Turing machine
< 1220997864 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lisp, face it, is used for advanced research and development in AI and other esoteric areas."
< 1220997864 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, esoteric is right.
< 1220997890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the same Slashdot discussion gives me some ammo to use in the MSN vs. IRC argument: <Blimey85> Have you never visited Bash? It's proof that you don't need to be a genius to use IRC.
< 1220997897 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1220997903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp was an esolang once
< 1220997907 0 :Slereah!n=x@ANantes-252-1-94-106.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220997916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it became mainstreamish
< 1220998050 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp?
< 1220998059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1220998063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> Lisp was an esolang once
< 1220998066 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sort of.
< 1220998092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when journalists used to ask me how esolang research could be useful, I generally mentioned Lisp
< 1220998100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"INTERCAL was an esolang once"
< 1220998102 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is it used, apart from the one example on wikipedia?
< 1220998105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as something good that came out of that sort of theoretical research
< 1220998111 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do journalists ask you that?
< 1220998112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: what, LISP?
< 1220998126 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1220998129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: used to, haven't knowingly met too many journalists recently though
< 1220998131 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Quite a lot of places.
< 1220998135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: AI research, for one place
< 1220998136 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One airline company does, I believe.
< 1220998139 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tons of places that you don't know about.
< 1220998142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were even computers that ran LISP natively once
< 1220998143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because they don't tell you.)
< 1220998144 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I mean, non-academically
< 1220998152 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I was not talking academically
< 1220998165 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was refering to the AI research
< 1220998278 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crash Bandicoot and some versions of Jak & Daxter (both console games for the playstation family) were written largely in a lisp
< 1220998289 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah yes
< 1220998397 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? really?
< 1220998418 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are my favorite games :O
< 1220998435 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, really :-P
< 1220998453 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm listening to crash 2 music as we speak...err...type
< 1220998456 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Oriented_Assembly_Lisp
< 1220998483 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, evidently for all J&Ds, for some reason I thought it was only some of them
< 1220998504 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piston it Away / Spaced Out (Skull Route)
< 1220998514 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& 5-gem path
< 1220998609 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should redo crash 1, with the same exact thing as it is right now, but fix the physics to how they are in crash 2, and make it so you still get gems for all boxes even if you die.
< 1220998630 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a few levels could use some work
< 1220998654 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But other than that it's perfect. The level design is brilliant
< 1220998795 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit, the cache doesn't work right when it's in stack mode.
< 1220998800 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
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< 1220998975 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1220998985 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-188-147.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220999233 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-25-169.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1220999368 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1220999686 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:<
< 1220999735 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1220999754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T PANIC
< 1220999767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR GOD'S SAKE, DON'T PANIC!!!!!!
< 1220999779 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew.
< 1220999782 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reassured
< 1220999788 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was time to panic
< 1220999790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION panics
< 1220999816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not until tomorrow
< 1220999937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why panic tomorrow when you can panic today?
< 1220999987 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Procrastination
< 1220999989 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why
< 1221000004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not until tomorrow that the world ends
< 1221000024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, the LHC?
< 1221000033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that's actually going to create an entire new universe
< 1221000047 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my butt?
< 1221000059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like this one, except a lot smaller, Microsoft are a hardware company that supports Linux, and everything runs INTERCAL except for a few weirdos discussing languages like C and Java
< 1221000086 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bizarro world? :o
< 1221000144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely enough, Haskell is about exactly the same though
< 1221000169 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terrible?
< 1221000210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's exactly midway between INTERCAL and Java in strangeness, so it stays at the same position
< 1221000236 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What of lisp?
< 1221000241 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it full of brackets?
< 1221000253 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp switches places with Malbolge
< 1221000276 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pi-caml?
< 1221000321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :switches to Agda
< 1221000330 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agda?
< 1221000335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that anyone would notice
< 1221000371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a proof assistant / language
< 1221000373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc
< 1221000389 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1221000397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1221000400 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1221000403 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1221000406 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko
< 1221000408 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT HAVE I DONE
< 1221000410 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit Slereah
< 1221000411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1221000413 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in bizarro world, people write proofs in C
< 1221000425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1221000426 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAMBURGERS EAT PEOPLE
< 1221000445 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1221000450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRANKFURTERS TOO
< 1221000477 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1221000481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1221000481 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: help me out here
< 1221000481 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1221000490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1221000490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1221000493 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1221000494 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however sausages and fried ground beef would go about eating humans (or anything at all for that matter)
< 1221000496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1221000499 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1221000502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1221000506 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko
< 1221000507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko
< 1221000511 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko
< 1221000514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko
< 1221000517 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not oko
< 1221000524 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko-kombobreaker
< 1221000574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly there is a conspiracy here
< 1221000582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#oko
< 1221000596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221000605 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221000607 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hush now and eat your fermented milk in silence
< 1221000608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i promise it shall be an undisturbed haven of oko
< 1221000647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ?
< 1221000711 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question!
< 1221000769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that wasn't very nice...
< 1221000776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HE DISTURBED THE PEACE
< 1221000798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WOULDN'T LET ME IN THE ROTATION
< 1221000812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could rotate whenever you wish
< 1221000849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then we clash
< 1221000874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221000876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the fun
< 1221000881 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, only whoever comes second
< 1221000910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say you can't oko if you okoed on the preceding or last-but-one line
< 1221000912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it'll work
< 1221000940 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221001131 0 :Slereah!n=x@ANantes-252-1-94-106.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221001395 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: u lefft
< 1221001401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1221001405 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u LEFFFFFFFFT
< 1221001410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just don't grasp the spirit of oko
< 1221001415 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i do
< 1221001422 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have consulted with oklobol on it before
< 1221001431 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and knowing exactly how it will pan out is definitely not oko
< 1221001492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's one of those Yin/Yang things
< 1221001778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokkokokokoKAYokokOH11!11!!!!
< 1221001804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just don't grasp the spirit of oko
< 1221002029 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooo
< 1221002052 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooookokokookkkkkoooooooooooooooo
< 1221002054 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;'l
< 1221002058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :op[kgkmfghfgl,jopplplplokokokokokhofhkfo
< 1221002058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fgkgoh
< 1221002059 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fv
< 1221002064 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooookokokokokokokoko
< 1221002067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0|<0|<0
< 1221002073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooo<><##<<#<#<#<#<#Koooooooooo
< 1221002076 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<:::><:<:>:>>>>>
< 1221002077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :()|<()
< 1221002080 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLOKOKOKOOKO
< 1221002177 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221002261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"[->+<]"
< 1221002750 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is this okokoko'ing a reference to voynichese?
< 1221002828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly.  after all, everything is.
< 1221002878 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221002890 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko was invented by coolness(who is oklopol) in #vjn
< 1221002901 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#vjn is a mythical channel that has nothing but okokokokoko, all days
< 1221002938 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I am now venturing to
< 1221002941 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having realised I haven't ever before
< 1221002977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOO
< 1221002988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't risk your prejudices so nonchalantly
< 1221002993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM THERE
< 1221002995 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is silence
< 1221003005 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the silence is QUITE BORIN
< 1221003005 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G
< 1221003031 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tänäkin muutakin hänellä painaneeni kiitää erityinen naputtaisi totals rahahaaste sen, tusho.
< 1221003038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no fucking idea what that means
< 1221003039 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is good
< 1221003072 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: i don't suppose you want to translate
< 1221003127 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err sure
< 1221003164 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate gave "today he printing a special thank naputtaisi totals of the rahahaaste"
< 1221003185 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"also on this" "also something else" "on him" "that i have pressed" "strides" "special" "would repeatedly click" "totals" "money challenge" "it (genetive)", "tusho"
< 1221003194 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotes are for separate words
< 1221003204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: is that meant to make sense, perhaps
< 1221003208 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also baltti is a bot
< 1221003210 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221003214 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221003219 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should've noticed that
< 1221003221 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so only you have talked so far
< 1221003225 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how should i have
< 1221003234 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all looks the same to me
< 1221003235 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, people are asleep perhaps, dunno
< 1221003256 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trazer surely didn't look human?
< 1221003258 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm just going to sit in there and read the chat logs without understanding a word, it seems like an oko thing to do
< 1221003274 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite a feat to read all the logs.
< 1221003281 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i mean, just the ones since i appear
< 1221003282 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221003285 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the logs, though?
< 1221003294 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :volimo does some 20000-30000 o's a day
< 1221003300 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive
< 1221003301 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have logs atm
< 1221003311 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221003312 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | not sure yet.
< 1221003314 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like online ones
< 1221003338 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a logger bot that was in use, but then, for some reason, my ftp stopped working altogether
< 1221003342 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember why
< 1221003345 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vjn.fi/index.php?i=1 this volimo seems like a cheerful guy
< 1221003395 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite
< 1221003433 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hei mun nimi on tusho  <- is this well formed
< 1221003437 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your site's translator gave it to me
< 1221003466 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's perfect, although colloquial
< 1221003477 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were very lucky
< 1221003478 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221003499 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mä olen tusho käyttäminen arvonnousu kielenkääntäjä insinööritaito
< 1221003503 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221003518 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that looks like something Baltti would say
< 1221003531 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaikka tällä on huomattavasti formed lausua "butts" eri tavalla esittää "dicks"
< 1221003545 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i am tusho the usage increase of value translator engineer knowledge"
< 1221003551 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what XD
< 1221003555 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said
< 1221003561 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this is well formed say "butts" otherwise say "dicks"
< 1221003565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221003566 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean
< 1221003567 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nono that was the first one
< 1221003568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one about translators
< 1221003570 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221003573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's slightly less hilarious then
< 1221003592 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: meikä olen eräs kokeneet vieressä käyttäminen online translators, ne tuottaa semmoinen nuiva sato.
< 1221003629 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1221003655 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually does carry the message
< 1221003657 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one
< 1221003668 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've used to online translators sucking
< 1221003678 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? XD
< 1221003679 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, "online translators" helped
< 1221003684 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said
< 1221003685 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that was not it? :P
< 1221003687 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am an expert at using online translators, they produce such cool output.
< 1221003712 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. as they say in finland, "joskus tekee esine on vihreä"
< 1221003726 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221003730 0 :oklobol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221003732 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. as they say in finland, "joskus tekee esine on vihreä"
< 1221003740 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ne tuottaa semmoinen nuiva sato == they produce quite a boring crop
< 1221003754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1221003755 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sometimes makes object is green"
< 1221003766 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha,  i said "sometimes things are green"
< 1221003769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does this translator work
< 1221003783 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much just a substitutor
< 1221003801 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there are some randomized rules for stuff like plurals and verbs
< 1221003808 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
< 1221003811 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, it didn't change
< 1221003834 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: väritön kade tekee idea koisata raivoisasti
< 1221003863 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you so interested in that even though you don't know any finnish :P
< 1221003878 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: because väritön kade tekee idea koisata raivoisasti
< 1221003894 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a colorless envious one makes an idea to snore with rage"
< 1221003905 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1221003912 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a colorless envious one makes an idea to sleep with rage"
< 1221003923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorless green ideas sleep furiously
< 1221003923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221003963 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope no one finnish sees my translations
< 1221003989 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, actually
< 1221003998 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one of the curiosities right there
< 1221004023 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"makes object" is because it thinks "things" is a verb
< 1221004027 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the s
< 1221004031 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahah
< 1221004051 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't really say that as "makes object" in finnish, i have no idea what i was thinking
< 1221004065 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: kullit tekee kyrpä tekee kyrpä tekee kulli tekee kulli kyrpät kullit kullit
< 1221004094 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221004104 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221004106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: kullit tekee kyrpä tekee kyrpä tekee kulli tekee kulli kyrpät kullit kullit
< 1221004124 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1221004144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coxxxx
< 1221004171 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what does that translate at
< 1221004172 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221004173 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as
< 1221004207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err (cox|makes cox)+
< 1221004220 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes cocks
< 1221004220 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1221004225 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's just "dicks dicks dicks dicks"
< 1221004230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Gnight"
< 1221004231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "makes cock" to be exact
< 1221004231 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is it saying that cocks make cocks?
< 1221004234 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dix = cox ofc
< 1221004253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i guess with cox you might've gotten a more interesting translation
< 1221004264 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocks just translates to cocks
< 1221004265 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I have a working test of the X L $ and @ functions
< 1221004277 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drainfuck::X++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +>++++++++++<^XV.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.X>^XV..X< ^XV+++++++++++.^+++.V.XLX>>>+$-^@>.<.>.<.>.<.>.<.>.VE
< 1221004286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the dictionary sucks
< 1221004308 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yea - ne sanakirja omata yksi molo
< 1221004315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaanyway i have a lecture in 6 hours, so i think i'm gonna sleep a bit
< 1221004325 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what does that say
< 1221004330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea - those dictionary own one dick
< 1221004335 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1221004341 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the dictionary has a dick"
< 1221004348 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to say that in #vjn, to see what will happen
< 1221004348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::=)
< 1221004379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many things you say on vjn will just go unnoticed in the stream of o.
< 1221004380 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program prints "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ\n\nLOL\nA\nA\nA\nA" and it works
< 1221004387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaanyway see ya, sleep time ->>
< 1221004390 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: then i'll translate more bullshit
< 1221004392 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1221004462 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sellainen tekee sanakirja kulli on vehmas
< 1221004490 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what does sellainen tekee sanakirja kulli on vehmas say
< 1221004495 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: or you
< 1221004648 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-74-95.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221004710 0 :oklobol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221004724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221004726 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb oklobol
< 1221004728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221004810 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Actually it mostly sounds like just random words, it doesn't seem to make any sort of coherent sentence. "sellainen" is something like "like that", "tekee" is mostly "to do/to make", "sanakirja" is "dictionary", "kulli" is "penis" (a slang-ish term), "on" is "to be" and "vehmas" is possibly "lush" (like "lush vegetation"), but also a name of a place if capitalized correctly.
< 1221004826 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The input was "the dictionarys dick is green"
< 1221004837 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the s made it think dictionary was a verb, like before
< 1221004851 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be simply "sanakirjan kulli on vihreä".
< 1221004867 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an entity called "the" dictionaries (a verb) the dick... is green
< 1221004875 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol:
< 1221004877 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said you would sleep
< 1221004879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221004905 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a separate being on different networks.
< 1221004912 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: ah
< 1221004924 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does "sellainen tekee sanakirja kulli on vehmas " make any more sense to you than it does fizzzzzzzzie?
< 1221004929 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i typoed fizzzzzzzzzie but i like it)
< 1221004997 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1221005015 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: ... is a bot participating in an irc quiz?
< 1221005020 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's grammatically incorrect, so fizzie's breaking it down is really all you can do
< 1221005027 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i am trying to marginally understand anything going on in #vjn)
< 1221005028 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yes i'm mirroring a trivia chan
< 1221005033 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and growing to realise that this is an impossible task)
< 1221005069 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%join makes the chanbot trazer join a channel
< 1221005083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guessed
< 1221005085 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%mirror makes it redirect everything on a channel to #vjn
< 1221005088 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I get that too
< 1221005089 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1221005091 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%msg sends a message
< 1221005092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started mirroring stuff
< 1221005093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentioning its name
< 1221005101 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does the quizbot in that channel think that it is a player?
< 1221005103 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1221005106 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221005107 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so why is it talking to it apart from if it's answering the qs
< 1221005108 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221005109 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't it
< 1221005129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: quizbots generally don't address people who aren't saying anything?
< 1221005129 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not talking to it apart from that
< 1221005140 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i just saw your %msg
< 1221005140 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1221005141 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i answered a question
< 1221005143 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya
< 1221005204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'%help' ':DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD'
< 1221005259 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :volimo remade quite a bit portion of trazer a few months ago, help was one of the stripped features
< 1221005265 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221005269 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a bit portion, yes.
< 1221005345 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, retry @ that sleeping thing
< 1221005347 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1221005351 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: ha
< 1221005352 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if
< 1221005355 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll NEVER sleep
< 1221005404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: PING
< 1221005448 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: i haven't said a single english thing in #vjn yet
< 1221005476 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idling is easy
< 1221005482 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idling is adding a channel to the autojoins
< 1221005485 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reading it occasionally
< 1221005499 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps so.
< 1221005514 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, channels in languages i don't know? SIGN ME UP
< 1221005524 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221005527 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLEEP ->
< 1221005531 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: ha
< 1221005534 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have foiled your sleep
< 1221005536 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: FOILD IT
< 1221005701 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1221006115 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol:
< 1221006398 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221007499 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1221008606 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221010341 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1221011003 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was a great exchange:
< 1221011011 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do all programmers have to be such pedantic fuckshits"
< 1221011018 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes because the computer is more pedantic because any human could ever hope to be"
< 1221014593 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly that programmer is highly pedantic.
< 1221014596 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly with English.
< 1221015148 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the grammar does detract from it a bit
< 1221015184 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221015813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, he has a valid point; pedanticism is easy when you're a programmer.
< 1221015830 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, 1 bit being wrong *could* reasonably fuck shit up.
< 1221018337 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | yes but i still suck at it
< 1221020265 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood
< 1221021490 0 :psygnisfive!i=82f5c439@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-04373690014207be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221021504 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol? lol
< 1221021742 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :koolblo
< 1221021754 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221021755 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | hmm
< 1221021758 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221021758 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | urk
< 1221021764 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! lol
< 1221021765 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: And one needn't worry about that, anyways; that only applies to addressing.
< 1221021772 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot
< 1221021772 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} glass glypho kipple lazyk malbolge pbrain rail sadol sceql udage01
< 1221021774 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221021775 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | < <> <>>
< 1221021781 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221021787 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<><>> ?
< 1221021815 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative lists!
< 1221021833 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1221021883 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft
< 1221021884 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1221021885 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame
< 1221021891 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :γ
< 1221021908 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what command I could have for *, /, and \
< 1221021926 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :times, divide, divides?
< 1221021941 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in drainfuck
< 1221021980 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know
< 1221021981 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That and Y
< 1221021993 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yay the crash 2 sewer music
< 1221022033 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now Playing: The Eel Deal, Sewer or Later, Hangin' Out
< 1221023523 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1221026203 0 :adu!n=ajr@pool-72-66-79-26.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221026207 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1221026218 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1221026227 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1221026235 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol!!
< 1221026245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1221026249 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are yu
< 1221026255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so fine so fine
< 1221026271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta leave i have a lecture to attend
< 1221026279 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1221026309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only i found my keys
< 1221026329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just quite hard to find stuff when you're staring @ irc.
< 1221026335 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every day i have more ideas for a language...
< 1221026343 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1221026431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me one of those ideas, abridged, then i'll press disconnect!
< 1221026460 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, too drunkl maybe layter
< 1221026472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221026474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1221026475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"
< 1221026713 0 :psygnisfive!i=82f5c439@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-42e0c3e6046160de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221027777 0 :oklobol!n=nnscript@sparkgw.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221027934 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol
< 1221027957 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1221027960 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive
< 1221028452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION curses.
< 1221028461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gordon Freeman seen at the LHC.
< 1221028465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.joystiq.com/2008/09/09/terrible-news-gordon-freeman-spotted-near-large-hadron-collider/
< 1221028793 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221029189 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's soooo old :-)
< 1221029433 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DE-STROY EL-ACHE-SEE! SAVE RE-A-LI-TY!! DE-STROY EL-ACHE-SEE!
< 1221029441 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws stones
< 1221029452 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baw!baw! piwooooong
< 1221029478 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an elachesee?
< 1221029593 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221030143 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So?
< 1221030159 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: Also, old as in 'posted earlier today'? :p
< 1221031048 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@sparkgw.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221031141 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221032086 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221033071 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@k-75.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221033599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1221033600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221034946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221035247 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-188-147.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221035266 0 :oklobol!n=nnscript@sparkgw.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221036373 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1221038545 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1221039937 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Mandrake Linux
< 1221040583 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@217.202.148.167 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221040603 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@sparkgw.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221040621 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1221040768 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1221040768 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1221040768 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1221040821 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221040821 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221041224 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1221041224 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1221041249 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221041249 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221041678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double negation in kernel options sucks: CONFIG_SCHED_NO_NO_OMIT_FRAME_POINTER:
< 1221041714 0 :oklobol!n=nnscript@sparkgw.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221041736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221041814 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the meaning of "omit", that might be even considered triple negation. (Of course it's because of the -fomit-frame-pointer GCC flag, which I always read as "vomit frame pointer", but still.)
< 1221041904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it's "human readable name" is "single depth wchan <something>"
< 1221041911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't check exact name since kernel is building atm
< 1221041917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is for 32-bit x86 only
< 1221041928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that wchan mean anything to me
< 1221041965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so not sure what it has to do with gcc's -fomit-frame-pointer (of which I'm well aware)
< 1221042026 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure either, but I think it's likely it's related, given the similarity of the name.
< 1221042030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :located around the same place as where you select CPU model (like Pentium 3 in this case)
< 1221042039 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently CONFIG_SCHED_NO_NO_OMIT_FRAME_POINTER=y in my .config.
< 1221042054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, y is recommended value according to help
< 1221042084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my x86_64 desktop the option doesn't exist
< 1221042213 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, according to linux/kernel/Makefile, it just alters the CFLAGS for sched.o to include "-fno-fomit-frame-pointer" if set to something else than 'y'.
< 1221042219 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's why it's NO_NO_OMIT.
< 1221042229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221042241 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a comment in there.
< 1221042244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, doesn't explain the "human readable name" at all
< 1221042249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what comment?
< 1221042256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# According to Alan Modra <alan@linuxcare.com.au>, the -fno-omit-frame-pointer is
< 1221042259 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# needed for x86 only.  Why this used to be enabled for all architectures is beyond
< 1221042263 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# me.  I suspect most platforms don't need this, but until we know that for sure
< 1221042266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# I turn this off for IA-64 only.  Andreas Schwab says it's also needed on m68k
< 1221042270 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# to get a correct value for the wait-channel (WCHAN in ps). --davidm
< 1221042273 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like the kernel devs aren't too sure about it either. :p
< 1221042295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1221042298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wchan?
< 1221042303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is from 2.6.24, which is pretty old, not sure if it's fixed.)
< 1221042330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :building 2.6.26.5 here
< 1221042339 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WCHAN: address of the kernel function where the process is sleeping (use wchan if you want the kernel function name). Running tasks will display a dash (’-’) in this column.
< 1221042355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm interesting
< 1221042362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and potentially very useful
< 1221042378 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it sort-of makes sense; if there's no frame pointer info, it might be tricky to find out the function.
< 1221042397 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm still a bit hazy where the actual name "wchan" comes from.
< 1221042493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well... odd that it isn't needed on x86_64
< 1221042530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or IA-64
< 1221042568 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the ABI is different, maybe it's possible to get that info somehow otherwise. No idea about the details.
< 1221042601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is the frame pointer useful for?
< 1221042605 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wchan name might well be historical reference, foo knows there's enough of those around. On solaris, the WCHAN column seems to be the address of some sort of "event" variable which the process is sleeping on.
< 1221042693 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easier to make sense out of stack frames, since the stack pointer usually points on top of the stack, so you need to know the amount of local variables on the stack unless you happen to have a frame pointer pointing at the beginning of the local stack frame, where you can find the return address.
< 1221042705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know how x86_64 does stacks, though.
< 1221042721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nor do I
< 1221042739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know how x86_64 pass parameters though (in registers when possible)
< 1221042815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's what most processors with a reasonable amount of registers do, x86 is kind-of odd.
< 1221042891 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPARCs have register windows, those are funky; you have (at least in some microsparcs) 8 in-registers, 8 local-registers and 8 out-registers, and a pair of instructions to rotate the window so that the current out-registers become in-registers and you get a new set of local-regs and out-regs.
< 1221042919 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can do function calls up to a depth of N, where N is the amount of windows (I think at least one model had 8 of 'em) without pushing anything on the stack.
< 1221042921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is extremely register starved
< 1221042935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86_64 got twice the number of registers compared to x86
< 1221042941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is rather low too
< 1221042973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, about the register windows, they would really mess up recursive calls
< 1221043013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need to know how deep you are if you want to make a call
< 1221043031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the instructions automatically takes care of push/pull when needed
< 1221043063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also another issue: functions with more parameters than fit into 8 registers
< 1221043091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf and some other varargs come to mind
< 1221043093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's some sort of mechanism to cause an exception-like thing if you try to rotate "too much", and the OS can then push stuff on stack and do other sort of magikcs.
< 1221043256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written approximately 10 lines of SPARC assembly, I don't really remember the details -- even then, I think we pretty much had function prologues provided. This was for a compiler-writing course, the programming project was a very limited Java variant targeting sparc.
< 1221043301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221043439 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My main workstation is five kilometres away and not plugged in to anything (still in the process of moving things), so can't check; I just remember that our "function prologue" was pretty much a single "SAVE" instruction, and the epilogue had a corresponding "RESTORE" instruction. Running out of register windows was explicitly defined to be SEP, so we didn't even need to know the details back then either.
< 1221043473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEP?
< 1221043481 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone Else's Problem. :p
< 1221043494 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a HHGTTG term, I think.
< 1221043591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221043604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I read the Swedish translation
< 1221043627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually bought the English version later and read it too, but I didn't make the connection to this case
< 1221043770 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got the Finnish, Swedish and English versions here, although I'm not sure I've read the Swedish one completely. Was in Stockholm at NK or what's-it-name, and didn't want to walk away without buying at least _something_, so...
< 1221043797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think someone borrowed my all-five-in-one Finnish version and never returned it.
< 1221043838 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's either that or I self misplaced it somewhere.)
< 1221043861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes NK
< 1221043893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got all in five for both Swedish and English
< 1221043903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though both are rather worn out hehe
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< 1221044822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reboot"
< 1221044945 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1221048938 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM ESOMANDIAS
< 1221048944 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEE MY LANGUAGE AND DESPAIR
< 1221048971 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221049416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot find it under all that sand
< 1221049553 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1221049797 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for that pointer sticking up there
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< 1221051238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: #vjn is crazy
< 1221051242 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet somehow amusing
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< 1221051971 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221052220 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does somewhat differ from the rest of irc
< 1221052635 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: you were just g-lined
< 1221052635 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1221052635 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221052741 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: was it just ... for no reason
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< 1221053260 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quakenet g-lines for 5 users from the same ip
< 1221053267 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm at a lecture
< 1221053276 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't use a bounceror
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< 1221056129 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And I invented doors, no joke!"
< 1221056614 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221057101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"On the plus side, it contains no transfats"
< 1221057655 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
< 1221057665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has an atom feed
< 1221057669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<!-- if the lhc actually destroys the earth & this page isn't yet updated
< 1221057669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please email mike@frantic.org to receive a full refund -->
< 1221057676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of that sam hughes page
< 1221057685 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAH
< 1221057685 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/?board
< 1221057689 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is our duty to inform you that as of 7:35:05am UTC on September 10, 2008, the Earth has been destroyed.
< 1221057695 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidence is still being collated, but preliminary results suggest that the Earth was destroyed pre-emptively by scientists at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN, Geneva, Switzerland, before the commencement of their experiments to locate the Higgs Boson, as a precautionary measure to ensure that the experiment itself could not result in the destruction of the Earth.
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< 1221058030 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: does any human ever say anything than okoing in #vjn
< 1221058030 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1221058036 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1221058039 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: does any human ever say anything than okoing in #vjn
< 1221060842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:11:21 +volimo: MYYRÄMIES
< 1221060844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moleman!!
< 1221060851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an inside joke
< 1221060869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i did supply some binary
< 1221060877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three of us were on a lecture
< 1221060884 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was from there
< 1221060893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot going on yes.
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< 1221061537 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I plan on making a more nicely formatted and better explained version of the spec soon.
< 1221061767 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: i have said h like three times so i guess i disproved my own point
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< 1221062466 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: let me rephrase
< 1221062472 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does #vjn ever have continuity between messages
< 1221062485 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the apparent bot-conversations
< 1221062497 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-continuous irc sounds pretty fun tbh
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< 1221066412 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zip.4chan.org/x/src/1221057266082.jpg
< 1221066413 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1221066698 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: add that to the gordon freeman one already circling...
< 1221066715 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... they're making portals
< 1221066728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fucking SHIT they are making PORTALS.
< 1221066764 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd better buy a crowbar
< 1221066778 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that knife like in Opposing Force
< 1221066815 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.zeden.net/img/2008-09//actualitegeneralepc_005.jpg
< 1221066817 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh
< 1221066821 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's not very Freemany
< 1221066960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Still, added up with g-mannnnnnnn...
< 1221066968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUN LIKE FUCK
< 1221067030 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? The moon?
< 1221067073 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should see pix of the security personel
< 1221067078 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's Calhoun in there
< 1221067127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Slereah> http://www.zeden.net/img/2008-09//actualitegeneralepc_005.jpg <-- scale is way off, can't be the LHC
< 1221067157 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scale of what?
< 1221067167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tube
< 1221067190 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your point?
< 1221067197 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's the ring itself
< 1221067203 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's plenty of machinery in tha
< 1221067203 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r
< 1221067217 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew a guy who worked on the cooling system
< 1221067223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be some other accelerator I guess
< 1221067249 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some other piece of equipment
< 1221067255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possiblt
< 1221067256 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tubes are common in physics labs.
< 1221067258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly*
< 1221067271 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physics is a series of tubes
< 1221067449 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so the lhc is just one huge thing with absolutely no subcomponents or anything
< 1221067450 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiiiiiiiiiight
< 1221067461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I didn't say that
< 1221067927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya (away for the evening)
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< 1221068005 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1221068606 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1221068630 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens to "The cyclotronist's nightmare"
< 1221068637 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It puts me in the mood for the LHC.
< 1221068668 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROUND AND ROUND GOES THE DEUTERON
< 1221068678 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROUND AND ROUND, THE MAGNET SWINGS IT
< 1221068680 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROUND AND ROUND GOES THE DEUTERON
< 1221068696 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you see, now the external beam is only two microamps!
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< 1221078163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the Earth was destroyed, does that mean we are running on a backup Matrix?
< 1221078263 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we're all dead, and this is heaven
< 1221078266 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sucks huh?
< 1221078266 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they haven't collided any particles yet, they won't do that until october 21
< 1221078283 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter, olsner
< 1221078292 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The very existance of the LHC destroys the universe
< 1221078298 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what would be funny?
< 1221078305 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone tried to destroy it
< 1221078314 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
< 1221078321 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see for yourselves
< 1221078323 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like he think he's Bruce Willis
< 1221078358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if anyone has tried doing simulations of what would happened if a black hole (not quite micro enough to evaporate) hit the earth
< 1221078359 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauce code :
< 1221078361 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<!-- if the lhc actually destroys the earth & this page isn't yet updated
< 1221078361 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please email mike@frantic.org to receive a full refund -->
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< 1221078389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: but there was a conflicting link posted
< 1221078392 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221078396 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/?board
< 1221078404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually an authoritative board
< 1221078407 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that page has been up for years
< 1221078414 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(around the time he created How to Destroy the Dearth)
< 1221078416 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Earth
< 1221078422 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that site is just created on the spot
< 1221078425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who do you trust more, hmm?
< 1221078433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1221078457 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me.
< 1221078467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if we are lucky, once the proper experiment starts the counter might go up to 2
< 1221078480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be awesome
< 1221078490 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the most trustworthy individual in the universe, and everything I say is true
< 1221078496 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example :
< 1221078498 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are gay
< 1221078549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds Slereah to the list of people he has to kill
< 1221078557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just my usual policy, you understand
< 1221078563 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter, we're all gonna die
< 1221078568 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true
< 1221078572 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, you shoudln't be ashamed of being gay.
< 1221078580 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COME AND KISS ME
< 1221078583 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMOOCH
< 1221078585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww
< 1221078807 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: i am indeed doing an some serious cool idling unto that channel
< 1221078885 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an some"? impressive that you would correct that correctly :P
< 1221078899 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an hero
< 1221078901 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: i am slowly learning the grammar of this place, i think
< 1221078906 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ann hiro
< 1221078914 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb so i can do more professional idling unto it
< 1221078924 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the finnish grammar is substantially harder to learn.
< 1221078932 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, even if you know finnish :)
< 1221078946 0 :Linus`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1221079106 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221079114 0 :Slereah!n=x@ANantes-252-1-94-106.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221079245 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221079656 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Time to swap a broken HD."
< 1221079743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am back
< 1221079765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok was kicked from the chat room by trazer. (BAD okoing to be.)
< 1221079766 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: what
< 1221079845 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i failed my oko
< 1221079854 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: how do you fail an oko
< 1221079859 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokko
< 1221079872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221079873 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjacent k's are an impurity
< 1221079889 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: i have done adjacent ks before but only in excess
< 1221079892 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the excess counters the impurity
< 1221079897 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, somewhat
< 1221079898 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. okokokokokooooookokokokokkokokkkkkkkkkkkkooooooo
< 1221079906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, one extra is bad i'd say
< 1221079923 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most definitely
< 1221079928 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1221080034 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am going to try an oko now because i feel like it and watching crazy finns on irc react to someone is fun
< 1221080054 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is incredibly bored
< 1221080073 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should experiment
< 1221080075 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with GAY SEX
< 1221080087 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good
< 1221080355 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY FIRST ENGLISH LINE
< 1221080405 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning finnish would spoil all the fun.
< 1221080435 0 :Linus`!n=LinuS@net-93-146-68-115.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221080442 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M��se
< 1221080459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :� is not finnish
< 1221080465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :� is
< 1221080487 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M��se
< 1221080495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better
< 1221080509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we just need oklopol to tell what it means
< 1221080577 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol i registered but the bot still won't kick me
< 1221080578 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1221080616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i think you need to be a trazer user
< 1221080634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: o rly!
< 1221080635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vad trazig
< 1221080653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately mööse doesn't mean anything
< 1221080662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how terrible
< 1221080688 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do nouns ever end in -e in finnish btw?
< 1221080696 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221080702 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyhde
< 1221080704 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance my irl name
< 1221080712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think it's that common
< 1221080725 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nide
< 1221080726 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :side
< 1221080727 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#vjn is such fun, i have no idea about any of the conversation in there and don't feel like participating much but it is entertaining to watch
< 1221080727 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kide
< 1221080731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, right
< 1221080741 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maine
< 1221080746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i detect a pattern
< 1221080747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaide
< 1221080750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :viite
< 1221080751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops you broke it
< 1221080758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rinne
< 1221080762 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :este
< 1221080765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, it's common.
< 1221080777 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I noticed it myself and tried to think of one which would break it :-)
< 1221081335 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221081377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> oh no
< 1221081381 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221081385 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are here late ais523
< 1221081388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1221081389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1221081399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to install a laptop dual-boot Vista/Ubuntu
< 1221081409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu works on it now, but the wireless only works on the Vista side
< 1221081516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you feel like changing FING's X to not reflect, but to pop a reflect, if a stack is empty, right? If you didn't, you do now, so do it.
< 1221082058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1221082063 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :world of esoteria
< 1221082066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the x
< 1221082092 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x is a variable of first type.
< 1221082179 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1221082557 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1221083137 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I am open to sci-fi (especially humerous) geeky stuff, programming books...
< 1221083615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, eh?
< 1221083629 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that.
< 1221083637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what do you mean?
< 1221083646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FING's X, change it to the smarter behaviour
< 1221083656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mike made a test case so... I
< 1221083661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well?
< 1221083667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do Mike think
< 1221083705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ?
< 1221083707 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I might get AnMaster mad at me again if i do that,,,i think he already implemented FING...Personally, I have no problem doing that,  If it is ok with you and him, then I will change the spec for X."
< 1221083717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess ok
< 1221083719 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humerous!
< 1221083720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is so new
< 1221083725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, however...
< 1221083726 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: i don't like this topic. Change it.
< 1221083727 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: indeed
< 1221083729 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221083730 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | by the way, as well, when there are those argument pixels..
< 1221083732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will have to wait until the weekend
< 1221083740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I do not have time before then
< 1221083742 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, as long as you don't mind
< 1221084541 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um isn't it like 5 lines or something
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< 1221084602 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221084629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"9"
< 1221084936 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1221085381 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-033-132.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221087015 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1221087977 0 :Linus`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1221090733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1221091113 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1221092145 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1221097010 0 :megatron!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1221097023 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-31-199.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221098217 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will rue this day! Well, go on ... start ruing!
< 1221098583 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221098628 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is our duty to inform you that as of 7:35:05am UTC on September 10, 2008, the Earth has been destroyed." http://qntm.org/?board
< 1221099267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221099271 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well aware.
< 1221099279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Sam Hughes. :D
< 1221099435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same here
< 1221100295 0 :ihope!n=Peggy@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221100616 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopeless
< 1221100620 0 :psygnisfive!i=82f5c439@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a2db576e6d372e98 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221100626 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiveless
< 1221100640 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fivefull!
< 1221100836 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fivefullnesslessly
< 1221101227 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221101854 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1221101955 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221102096 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1221102613 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221103252 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221103266 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221104737 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ok
< 1221105464 0 :adu!n=ajr@pool-72-66-79-26.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221106996 0 :moozilla_!n=moozilla@207-118-40-70.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221107481 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221108956 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo!
< 1221109814 0 :moozilla_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"- nbs-irc 2.37 - www.nbs-irc.net -"
< 1221109830 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-40-70.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221109856 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221113614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221113843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221113880 0 :oklobol!n=nnscript@sparkgw.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221115316 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real a = 1.352; real i = 0.0177; while(i < a) { i += differential; }
< 1221115788 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++>+++++<[-->-<]>>+<[->++<]>:
< 1221115950 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++>+++++< {*3 5} [-->-<] {*0 3.5} >>+< {0 *3.5 1} [->++<] {0 *0 8} >: {0 0 *8 => 8}
< 1221116018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KHAN!
< 1221116126 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :khan indeed
< 1221116129 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna implement that
< 1221118580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :khan?
< 1221118620 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an indian term for irc channel
< 1221118641 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq realized this is a channel, and, you know, he's indian
< 1221118656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No...
< 1221118665 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?!?
< 1221118667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am related to the only white man to go on the trail of tears.
< 1221118668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1221118672 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1221118986 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1221119360 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirc owns, if i send messages with /msg and i have a channel window open, the message becomes part of that channel's log
< 1221119378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logged passwords ftw
< 1221119999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1221120000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221121269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221121305 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@i-135.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221122402 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221122799 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1221124501 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-146-68-115.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221124514 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221124964 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1221126337 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | SunOS was the first OS I ran it on
< 1221126706 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221126772 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221130073 0 :Slereah!n=x@ANantes-252-1-94-106.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221130655 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221130768 0 :jix!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221130897 0 :slereah!n=x@ANantes-252-1-94-106.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221131163 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Jesus loves you"
< 1221131920 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1221134650 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guyz StoryGen v2 beta test <3 http://91.105.98.27:4567/
< 1221134651 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it
< 1221134929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks the fragments are a little too short.
< 1221134976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, I couldn't get my initial sentence in.
< 1221135056 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1221135355 0 :slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPPY 9/11
< 1221135394 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that is intentional
< 1221135401 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are meant to leave sentences unfinished
< 1221135587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not required to be consistent with your own previous fragments, i hope :D
< 1221135650 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221135651 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221135661 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in fact, it works better when more people do it
< 1221135665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise you can easily get continuity
< 1221135668 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: are you doing it?
< 1221135669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, do it
< 1221135671 0 :slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1221130716923.jpg
< 1221135673 0 :slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221135675 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a non-innuendo wau7
< 1221135676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*way
< 1221135683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doing my best to avoid it
< 1221135700 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not gonna do the next one, lets' see if anyone else is doing them
< 1221135759 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo Slereah
< 1221135765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://91.105.98.27:4567/
< 1221135769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:|
< 1221135778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: my question is whether the amish will out-breed the rest of them
< 1221135805 0 :slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, since the world will end :o
< 1221135821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although there is a similar norwegian sect with the breeding if not the low-tech)
< 1221135896 0 :slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all for breeding
< 1221135902 0 :slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the act that leads to it
< 1221135904 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221135910 0 :slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, school tiem
< 1221135990 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan
< 1221135993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to tell all your friends.
< 1221135996 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you're a mathematician
< 1221135999 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have any
< 1221136001 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i maed joek
< 1221136004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true
< 1221136085 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmm
< 1221136089 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a hard one.
< 1221136115 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1221136117 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i continued it
< 1221136147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was too tempting
< 1221136169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if disruptive
< 1221137607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm a mathematician?
< 1221137635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say so
< 1221137653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a published mathematician
< 1221137653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1221137669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you think he gets his terrible puns?
< 1221137678 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he figures their punniness with mathematics.
< 1221137711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what puns?
< 1221137738 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you don't know oerjan's terrible puns?
< 1221137739 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtfo!
< 1221137763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I use irc logs for a reason
< 1221137770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a good memory for such stuff
< 1221137793 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot is named after oerjan's terrible puns.
< 1221137794 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: K={A=_;X=8;�{B=_;A}};
< 1221137802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have a puny memory, then.
< 1221137816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait
< 1221137937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I suspect a pun there, though I'm unable to see what it is
< 1221137939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it is
< 1221138020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very puny one
< 1221138058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i thought it was quite punny
< 1221138105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, bbl
< 1221138127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finns are a lot funnier than swedes.
< 1221138144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well oerjan is neither
< 1221138157 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway is actually sweden
< 1221138161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is actually finland)
< 1221138202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well since they are all of the type country *, they could be aliased without causing undefined behaviour ;P
< 1221138206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually iceland
< 1221138213 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iceland is green
< 1221138218 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the LHC saps particles from germany
< 1221138223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and greenland is icy
< 1221138231 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: countries are not pointers to countries.
< 1221138238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iceland isn't a sign saying, "Iceland is over here ->"
< 1221138297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, in that case they can't alias each other
< 1221138315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: of course not, if you use such a stupid language as c
< 1221138320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have thought it sapped particles from france and switzerland, since that's where it is
< 1221138320 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as we all know, the universe is written in lisp
< 1221138327 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, germany
< 1221138367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is a multinational project
< 1221138387 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :germany just killed jews
< 1221138389 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lhc for them
< 1221138391 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just saps their praticles
< 1221138395 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :germany will just disappear, not the universe
< 1221138440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be sapping brain cells from the UK, anyhow
< 1221138452 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in what way?
< 1221138458 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the wisest thinker
< 1221138458 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :above god
< 1221138464 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the 4 days of harmonious nature rotation
< 1221138475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, per brain cell that may be true
< 1221138484 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your brain cells are educated stupid
< 1221138491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true
< 1221138580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this urge to mention that the Vatican State has a density of 2 popes per square kilometer
< 1221138594 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darwin si the pope
< 1221138596 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darwinpope
< 1221138599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also eveyrone is darwin
< 1221138601 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1=10
< 1221138607 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore 1darwin=10darwin=100darwin=etc
< 1221138609 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only in africa
< 1221138613 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the universe is made out of darwin
< 1221138616 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the pope is anti-darwin
< 1221138620 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus the pope is actually darwin
< 1221138622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in denial
< 1221138626 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in africa.
< 1221138643 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1221138647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darwin, as a pope, cannot deny he is darwin
< 1221138648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1221138650 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he
< 1221138652 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a paradox
< 1221138654 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the universe
< 1221138656 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes no sense
< 1221138658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you a bit young to be on whatever you're on right now? >_<
< 1221138661 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of darwinpapalinfallability
< 1221138667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, we must conclude
< 1221138668 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that
< 1221138680 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though darwin had no moustache infallability when he wrote about natural selection
< 1221138682 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was a pope
< 1221138686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore had papal infallability
< 1221138687 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus
< 1221138688 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must all
< 1221138689 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hail
< 1221138690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darwin
< 1221138691 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1221138691 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the
< 1221138692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darwinpope.
< 1221138701 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am actually 471 years old
< 1221138724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the infallibility was only declared some time in the 19th century, possibly after darwin made his theories
< 1221138735 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darwin is retroactive
< 1221138746 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his universe runs on feather
< 1221138788 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-033-132.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221138803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1870 it was
< 1221138812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was -4 BE
< 1221138818 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before electricity
< 1221138825 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :electricity was invented in 2BE
< 1221138874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1221138875 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am on darwin
< 1221138877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he died in 1882
< 1221138879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inhaling his holy fumes
< 1221138888 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he was only infallible for 12 years at most
< 1221138894 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221138899 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221138899 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221138900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was infallable for 46 years and 5 mellenia
< 1221138903 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221138903 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff
< 1221138904 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dg
< 1221138914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am declaring a Great Schism
< 1221138937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am declaring a great schemeism
< 1221138940 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((((((((((((((((((
< 1221138941 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
< 1221138944 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbalanced1
< 1221138948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa
< 1221138989 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221139092 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest a compromise:  maybe it is his holy fumes that are infallible
< 1221139266 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221139283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there can only be holy war
< 1221139297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must choose symbols
< 1221139346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i choose the holy fumes as my symbol
< 1221139764 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1221140611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i choose darwin
< 1221140617 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, how does c handle inlined recursive functions
< 1221140694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is inlining part of the standard?
< 1221140713 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1221140850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah in C99 according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inline_function
< 1221140886 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp time to test
< 1221140898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Many compilers can also inline expand some recursive functions; recursive macros are typically illegal.
< 1221140917 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1221140979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It just ignores my inline.
< 1221140980 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gcc)
< 1221141021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: even though it compiled inline void forever(void) { forever(); } into a jmp...
< 1221141025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it WOULD be able to inline it then
< 1221141154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is tail recursive, that might help
< 1221141196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you saying it doesn't
< 1221141243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.1.1/gcc/Inline.html
< 1221141257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Using -Winline will warn when a function marked inline could not be substituted, and will give the reason for the failure."
< 1221141478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GCC does not inline any functions when not optimizing unless you specify the `always_inline' attribute for the function"
< 1221141513 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah .
< 1221141957 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Once upon a time there was an esoteric magician who spoke incomprehensibly. He wanted to make a magical language that was even worse. He called it... the Monstrous Money-Devourer ... of Death. And then he jumped into the big black lake of t-shirts. Cautiously approaching the washing machine, Jibbedybob appeared. Bob was there too. Jibbedybob was Bob's friend and Jibbedy was Jibbedybob's friend, They raped each other daily. Yum. It was delicious, like cake. T
< 1221142034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it doesn't count as innuendo if it's super explicit
< 1221142047 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1221142050 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://91.105.98.27:4567/ new storii
< 1221142215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the? something went wrong
< 1221142276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just the display that is broken
< 1221142341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my history clearly shows that i did _not_ duplicate fie when writing)
< 1221142429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh weird, it's a browser error
< 1221142537 0 :Linus`!n=LinuS@net-93-146-253-37.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221143168 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221143444 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@i-69.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221145278 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221145792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : All Mister Jenkins could think was "How I like turnips, and the moving messages. In fact, when they moved they ploughed over the field like giant worms of doom ... sexy ones exploded in rage at the very sight of the hideous evil Mrr is a race of clones. goths too. like OO neckties and a thousand baloons, hai - who is a person - Niklas was his lovemaker. is a penis "sniper whore" JK I don't think so, sir.
< 1221145812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the crap
< 1221145813 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221146135 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"-> Bus"
< 1221146187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are two ways to run efunge." or "There are two ways of running efunge."
< 1221146190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is best tusho ?
< 1221146204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can run efunge in two ways:"
< 1221146209 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221146344 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of those, the latter
< 1221146632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ' called "single-quote" or "single quote"
< 1221146678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway I got a command line wrapper kind of working now, not well tested
< 1221146744 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter
< 1221146773 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just 'apostrophe' :-)
< 1221146797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Using 'efunge:start("path/to/befunge/program.bf").' (without the single quotes)"
< 1221146809 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually, "quote" is informal if you want to be strict about it :-)
< 1221146809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it have to be double quotes in the inner bit
< 1221146826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well the issue is I need double quotes which should stay
< 1221146848 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually just assume the reader has half a brain
< 1221146865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah probably true in the case of a funge interpreter
< 1221146872 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, certainly
< 1221146889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, however if i didn't use quotes most reads not familiar with erlang would miss the dot at the end
< 1221146892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is *needed*
< 1221146907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't work without it
< 1221146924 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say something about the dot and not the quotes, then :-)
< 1221147018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does the mycology page only list funge-98 interpreters?
< 1221147023 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221147026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since mycology can test funge-93 too
< 1221147038 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but that wasn't really the point
< 1221147044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1221147052 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most funge-93 interpreters get everything correct anyway
< 1221147071 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that I think of that might vary are "# <" and division by zero
< 1221147102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I don't ask the user there, I do like 98, since I plan to change efunge into 98/108 at some point
< 1221147130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and what do you mean with # <
< 1221147136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is there to get wrong there?
< 1221147137 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it hit the < or not
< 1221147145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hits the < yes
< 1221147152 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in many funge-98 interps it doesn't
< 1221147162 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or many and many... at least two :-P
< 1221147164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Pressy thinks it does
< 1221147170 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, of course
< 1221147198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway befunge would work without #, since you can just use a space in the hole
< 1221147216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :question: how many instructions can you reduce Funge-98 too while still being turing complete?
< 1221147231 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funge-93 set is turing complete
< 1221147235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd start with befunge-93 + infinite space then work down from there
< 1221147243 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :` can be removed
< 1221147249 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ can be removed
< 1221147252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#~&,. could be removed
< 1221147264 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about # actually
< 1221147270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I think so:
< 1221147273 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in befunge, I guess it could be
< 1221147278 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in unefunge not
< 1221147308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah not in unefunge no
< 1221147341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in befunge, which I talked about, it is easy to remove #, you just use a space at the crossing
< 1221147347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and readjust lines as needed
< 1221147357 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#v_
< 1221147374 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my most common use of # :-P
< 1221147382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> v
< 1221147382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v_
< 1221147388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not easy to use
< 1221147390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but should work
< 1221147391 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, or |
< 1221147421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what about : \ and $?
< 1221147432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think : could be remove, replace with a p and two g
< 1221147432 0 :slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND WHAT ABOUT NINE ELEVEN
< 1221147444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\, not sure
< 1221147447 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be more interesting to remove p and g :-)
< 1221147448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$, well not sure either
< 1221147456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, then it wouldn't be funge really
< 1221147466 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not :-P
< 1221147481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the whole point being self modifying
< 1221147493 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to me
< 1221147497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without that befunge93 would be easy to compile too
< 1221147518 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wanted the smallest instruction set
< 1221147523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes
< 1221147524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221147528 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say, replace p and g with y
< 1221147532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? could be removed
< 1221147536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, y from 98?
< 1221147544 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, y from 93
< 1221147547 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course from 98 :-P
< 1221147559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could remove * and /
< 1221147574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need to keep either - or +
< 1221147575 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, all you need is -
< 1221147576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- I think
< 1221147582 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- is better
< 1221147585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can't do negative numbers indeed
< 1221147609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could drop 2-9, I think you need 0 and 1 still
< 1221147618 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just 1
< 1221147621 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11- is 0
< 1221147624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah true
< 1221147653 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have we still got... 1-y\$
< 1221147660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_1-^><vy I guess you need then
< 1221147660 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :><v^
< 1221147667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err \ and $ too?
< 1221147668 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ of course
< 1221147673 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1221147681 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\, probably not
< 1221147686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we have y we don't need \
< 1221147686 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$, maybe
< 1221147695 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I guess so
< 1221147702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, couldn't you just do some throwaway calculation?
< 1221147702 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, instead of ><v^ have []
< 1221147709 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even just one of [] might be enough
< 1221147715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221147720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221147727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if one is enough
< 1221147729 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can't empty the stack ever with any of those, or?
< 1221147736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah true
< 1221147739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need $ yes
< 1221147751 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that's exactly necessary though
< 1221147773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we are down at _1-[]y$ now
< 1221147795 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and spaces, I guess
< 1221147798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1221147800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaces too
< 1221147835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I never considered befunge a turing tarpit, but this reduction certainly is one
< 1221147849 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221147863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, are both [ and ] needed or?
< 1221147870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1221147871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unable to figure that out
< 1221147888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok, I guess you could simulate a [ using several ]
< 1221147901 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1221147938 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | *an
< 1221147945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no, not if you want to end up in the same column
< 1221147961 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just rearrange the code so that you don't want to
< 1221147981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  >[
< 1221147983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would mean:
< 1221147988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ] ^
< 1221147988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  >]
< 1221147988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ] ]
< 1221147994 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all honesty I'm not sure we need all of _[], just w should be enough
< 1221147995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using > to show where code enters
< 1221148011 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-wy$ should be enough
< 1221148017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1221148029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes pushing two things to decide turn direction
< 1221148032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes would work
< 1221148044 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get 'if' functionality for free
< 1221148053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221148070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what to call this
< 1221148079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befuck or malfunge?
< 1221148080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1221148086 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarfunge
< 1221148090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh ok
< 1221148096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarbefunge in fact
< 1221148102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't work in unefunge
< 1221148111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need # there at least
< 1221148126 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for unefunge, 1-_y$;
< 1221148127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect you may also need x, but I can't prove that
< 1221148134 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-74-95.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221148135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm....
< 1221148137 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't just ; enough
< 1221148141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1221148145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no unefunge expert
< 1221148149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really never interested me
< 1221148159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never really*
< 1221148167 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, alternately, 1-_y$x
< 1221148170 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x can do what # does
< 1221148184 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just much more painfully
< 1221148196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well x can do a lot more too
< 1221148209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like jump based on address on stack, not only fixed jump
< 1221148220 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1221148248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I suggest modifying y to be a pure pick instruction in such a case, since the other bits are hardly useful
< 1221148255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in tarfunge
< 1221148270 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course if we're going to start modifying stuff
< 1221148281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok lets keep it then
< 1221148283 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if we do that we should be able to get by with even less instructions
< 1221148297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, sure, one instruction is enough iirc?
< 1221148300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or?
< 1221148304 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1221148312 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably yes
< 1221148325 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we can define an infinite number of behaviours for it :-P
< 1221148326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/OISC
< 1221148331 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if x is in an odd-numbered column then..."
< 1221148364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"subtract and branch unless positive" in OISC, said to be turing complete...
< 1221148388 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anything can compile to that instruction
< 1221148400 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could then translate it to asm and see how fast stuff runs ;-)
< 1221148418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1221148429 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile C to that, for instance
< 1221148429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I bet x86 got something close ;)
< 1221148462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eigenratios.blogspot.com/2006/09/mark-ii-oisc-self-interpreter.html
< 1221148464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1221148491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway I don't think you can compile C easily, would be restricted, since C got stuff like IO and so
< 1221148515 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1221148524 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhoo, food ->
< 1221148530 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could do a standalone implementation.
< 1221149369 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1221149899 0 :tusho_!n=tusho@91.105.85.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221150166 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221150314 0 :tusho_!n=tusho@91.105.85.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221150334 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1221150339 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tusho
< 1221150339 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tusho_
< 1221150344 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :????????????
< 1221150396 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1221150413 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.85.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221150457 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1221150468 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.85.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221150490 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1221150490 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221150505 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.85.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221150562 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR Your host is trying to (re)connect too fast -- throttled
< 1221150563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: D: D: D: D: D:
< 1221150667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1221150700 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.85.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221150722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1221150734 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.85.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221151247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well fix your connection then!
< 1221151253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi tusho
< 1221151259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1221151259 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing to do with my connection.
< 1221151272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, stop quitting your client all the time then
< 1221151288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wiped all my settings randomly and I had to test them, so shut up.
< 1221151350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, sucky client that doe that
< 1221151351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does*
< 1221151381 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it was my fault
< 1221151392 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I killed it while it was writing to the prefs or something
< 1221151393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you could just restore from the daily backup of your home dir
< 1221151395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1221151404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i can't afford a drive for backups
< 1221151450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, tapes aren't that expensive
< 1221151458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you got no tape drive, true
< 1221151460 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: enjoy your 1970
< 1221151460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the issue
< 1221151478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, tapes last longer than cds or harddrives certainly
< 1221151490 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hds last long enough for me to care about
< 1221151785 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, butbut.. they're affected by magnets and stuff. That scares me, tbh
< 1221151926 0 :slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221151975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, so are harddrives
< 1221151979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed, cds aren't
< 1221151988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cds doesn't last very long
< 1221151996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can get scratched easily
< 1221152006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I prefer tapes
< 1221152016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are way more durable
< 1221152073 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any way to shield tapes?
< 1221152092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well same way as you shield against any EMP I assume
< 1221152165 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it worth using tape to backup a home system
< 1221152243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm depends
< 1221152284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I had the luck of finding a tape drive cheaply, local school was throwing out old equipment, got it for probably 1/10 of what it was really worth
< 1221152301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's SCSI btw :)
< 1221152312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern ones use firewire iirc
< 1221152335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1221153533 0 :Slereah!n=x@ANantes-252-1-36-117.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221154847 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1221155094 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221156100 0 :slereah!n=x@ANantes-252-1-36-117.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221156662 0 :slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221156714 0 :Slereah!n=x@ANantes-252-1-36-117.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221157746 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221157949 0 :Slereah!n=x@ANantes-252-1-36-117.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221157952 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:|
< 1221159332 0 :jix!n=jix@pD955F86A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221159333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, my FING is now updated, however I will probably not make a release this weekend
< 1221159343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you actually plan to update mycology results page
< 1221159357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, apart from FING, are there other changes?
< 1221159367 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I can think of
< 1221159416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2008–09–10 Mycology updates" on your website
< 1221159419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what was changed?
< 1221159443 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a changelog in the readme.txt, you know
< 1221159517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well it contradicts your web page
< 1221159519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"    * Mycology update, some bugfixes."
< 1221159524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        2008-09-10    - Made the check for wraparound with non-cardinal delta a bit
< 1221159524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        stricter (instead of a delta of (12,0) it uses (13,2)).
< 1221159537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 2008-09-06 release is not mentioned on the website
< 1221159542 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's irrelevant and a bugfix
< 1221159548 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there never was a 2008-09-06 release
< 1221159558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        2008-09-06    - Fixed a misspelled error message in mycouser.b98 for
< 1221159559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        Befunge-93 interpreters.
< 1221159559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                      - Fixed a bug in 2k6 testing that led to an infinite loop.
< 1221159561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :readme.txt
< 1221159561 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just when I made the changes
< 1221159565 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't release it
< 1221159565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221159571 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@i-130.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221159638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, have you seen that Mike made even more fingerprints
< 1221159644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOBJ.. no clue what it is
< 1221159645 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed, yes
< 1221159652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :objects?
< 1221159652 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has specs
< 1221159656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum
< 1221159657 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, something like that
< 1221159660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP in funge!?
< 1221159662 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't look closely
< 1221159663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me it isn't
< 1221159677 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that, I only glanced at it
< 1221159679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Object Oriented extension"
< 1221159680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my
< 1221159687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, do you plan to implement it?
< 1221159697 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what it contains, like said
< 1221159701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPRT huh
< 1221159707 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and right now I really don't care either :-P
< 1221159709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a printf wrapper it seems
< 1221159724 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that might almost be useful
< 1221159757 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if he specified it either completely uselessly or so strictly that it's a pain to implement
< 1221159761 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the former
< 1221159765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw if the mycology results page will be updated to include cfunge (as run on linux, as you said yourself) before the end of the weekend, a release will be made during Saturday, if it won't be updated, there will be no release
< 1221159800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah he haven't yet learnt the balance
< 1221159811 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is pioneering "software release by ransom"
< 1221159817 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1221159820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well someone has to be the first
< 1221159821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221159828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Update the page by the weekend OR THE RELEASE GETS IT"
< 1221159830 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that I really don't care whether he releases or not :-P
< 1221159848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, just I like to include more bug fixes before next release
< 1221159857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you actually plan to update that page
< 1221159860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, sure
< 1221159861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not ransom
< 1221159885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, or I will claim to be "mycology 2008-09-10 conforming"
< 1221159886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1221159899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conformat?
< 1221159900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1221159902 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION claims to be 10 feet tall
< 1221159905 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun DUN
< 1221159911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I pass without any BAD
< 1221159914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that version
< 1221159915 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you are pretty big!!
< 1221159924 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i pass as 10 feet tall too
< 1221159925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what is it in meters?
< 1221159931 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 10 feet in meters = 10 feet
< 1221159937 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 feet is over 2 metres
< 1221159944 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually 3.04800 meters.
< 1221159948 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit over or under 3 metres
< 1221159950 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION claims to have worked that out in my head
< 1221159956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I seen a video of you
< 1221159961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stop lying
< 1221159964 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remember that one foot is around 30 cm
< 1221159965 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i was crouching, you moron
< 1221159978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, didn't look like that
< 1221159985 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's what i want you to think
< 1221159995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ICAL"	0x4943414c	Some Intercal-like functions	(RCS)
< 1221159996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm
< 1221160004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ARRY	0x41525259	Arrays	(RCS)
< 1221160014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if ais has an opinion on that ICAL, it's probably all wrong ;-)
< 1221160021 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARRY? sigh...
< 1221160024 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if EMEM wasn't bad enough
< 1221160031 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it even have anything useful
< 1221160056 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hi deewiant i am going to speck a fignerpting on irc ok??? then i will put it on the web, and you will implement it
< 1221160058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lets see what ones are new, ARRY, BOOL, FOBJ, FPRT, ICAL, IMTH, RAND, SORT,
< 1221160060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1221160063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has been busy
< 1221160071 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ,,,,,,,,,,,
< 1221160078 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ok,,,,,,here it is
< 1221160092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BOOL" 0x424F4F4C
< 1221160092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BF": R ( c -- ) run brainfuck code
< 1221160093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A	(a b -- r)	And
< 1221160093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N	(a -- r)	Not
< 1221160093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O	(a b -- r)	Or
< 1221160093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X	(a b -- r)	Xor
< 1221160093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1221160101 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hehehhehehehhee...
< 1221160108 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: "c"?
< 1221160109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is plain idiotic, I mean those are not hard in pure befunge
< 1221160113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a few w
< 1221160125 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: its a mystery,,ehehehehe.... it is the brainfuck code.......
< 1221160132 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is idiotic
< 1221160140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, in FOBJ: "I 0gnirts referes to the funge file containing the code for the object"
< 1221160143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds *BAD*
< 1221160145 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the others, maybe
< 1221160152 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BAD*?
< 1221160160 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hello,,,,,,,how goes the implement
< 1221160168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well yes, FOBJ seems pretty messed up
< 1221160176 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how's that
< 1221160189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, or the spec may be
< 1221160202 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what sense
< 1221160213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Funge-space for objects is in Trefunge mode." <-- nice way to lock out for example CCBI and cfunge
< 1221160222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and efunge won't do tre-funge either
< 1221160229 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCBI 2 will do Trefunge :-)
< 1221160231 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't blame him for your interp inferiorities
< 1221160235 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: will it do Nfunge
< 1221160238 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1221160247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: will it do nfunge if i write a patc
< 1221160248 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h
< 1221160261 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1221160268 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, depends on the size of the patch ;-)
< 1221160272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also I fail to see how these are object orientated really, where is the inheritance...
< 1221160273 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have to be pretty big :-P
< 1221160274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classes?
< 1221160282 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it'd be some commits
< 1221160282 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221160290 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: object orientation!=classes
< 1221160292 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or inheritance
< 1221160295 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably prototypical
< 1221160315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it lets you fondle an existing object, and clone an object, then it's prototypical
< 1221160322 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks a lot like namespaces + functions only, actually
< 1221160323 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: http://www.rcfunge98.com/rcfunge2_manual.html#FOBJ
< 1221160337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rcfunge98.com/rcsfingers.html#IMTH <-- now that is kind of stupid too, since the functionality is either simple in pure funge, (E for example), or available in other fingerprints
< 1221160338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's retarded
< 1221160345 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no shit?
< 1221160358 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ok forget BF i am writing a better fingerprint
< 1221160362 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :called MKRL (Mike Riley)
< 1221160368 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I like that the specs talk about "message handlers" without saying at all what they are
< 1221160375 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how M works
< 1221160383 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or right
< 1221160397 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, never mind
< 1221160404 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just obtusely written :-P
< 1221160408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I won't implement any if these new ones I think. Yes I will probably do MVRS in efunge
< 1221160412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that...
< 1221160426 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably won't implement anything completely pointless
< 1221160428 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as EMEM
< 1221160435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I didn't do EMEM either
< 1221160454 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, haha
< 1221160456 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Formats are printf style "
< 1221160468 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :question
< 1221160468 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's certainly descriptive
< 1221160474 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are the 0x... things so long?
< 1221160478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it seems pretty clear, except most doesn't make sense for funge
< 1221160481 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MKRY = 0x4A27F51
< 1221160488 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but his are longer
< 1221160492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, for example, %zu would make no sense in funge
< 1221160504 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: erm, "printf style" doesn't really say anything
< 1221160514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I assume C printf?
< 1221160515 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C/C++/Java/D/Haskell/other printf? which version?
< 1221160525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, obviously C is the default ;P
< 1221160528 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no they aren't
< 1221160537 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x33445350
< 1221160537 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and it's "style" anyway, could use D writef as well :-P
< 1221160540 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x4A27F51
< 1221160542 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1221160543 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are right
< 1221160544 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221160549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm?
< 1221160551 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: and that can't be right
< 1221160565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 0x4A27F51 is right...
< 1221160569 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MKRY = 0x4d4b5259
< 1221160572 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221160573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1221160574 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid me
< 1221160598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you wouldn't have said that if I pointed out the error :P
< 1221160604 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i.e. it doesn't specify that it has to work like printf, only in the style of printf :-P
< 1221160605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221160606 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have
< 1221160618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah I see the issue yes
< 1221160639 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which would allow pretty much anything, actually. :-P
< 1221160649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, however I suspect trying that philosophical approach would make Mike ignore you ;P
< 1221160653 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICAL looks amusing
< 1221160663 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARRY, hmm
< 1221160672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you or I should get ais to take a look at ICAL
< 1221160679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you implement it
< 1221160679 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the single dimension stuff of ARRY is just a poorer form of JSTR
< 1221160683 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221160707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Addresses used by this extension are absolute, the storage offset does NOT apply to these functions."
< 1221160708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1221160710 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: haha, implement ARRY so that ABCDEF reflect and G pushes 0
< 1221160736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well certainly allowed as it seems, but no I won't
< 1221160741 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Negative array indexes are allowed "
< 1221160744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't implement any of these new ones
< 1221160745 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what do they do I wonder?
< 1221160753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I assume same as in C
< 1221160758 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: segfault? :-P
< 1221160758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :access below array base
< 1221160775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, may not be segfault, not if the system is running in a non-protected environment
< 1221160778 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure that's implementation-defined in C
< 1221160779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like. say, DOS
< 1221160786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it is I think
< 1221160793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1221160800 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it's allowed to be implementation-defined? ;-)
< 1221160807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, actually, while that wasn't what I meant, it seems correct
< 1221160814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant that it is basically pointer access
< 1221160844 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: AnMaster: ok I made my first fingerprint
< 1221160845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a[x] == *(&a + x) (not always and not exactly, but you get my point)
< 1221160845 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmh, BOOL/IMTH/FIXP overlap a lot :-/
< 1221160846 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MKRY"
< 1221160849 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tusho.net/mkry/
< 1221160854 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please review & suggest & implement
< 1221160865 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1221160886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, badly defined ;P
< 1221160897 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ehhehehehehehehehehehehehhe............
< 1221160898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no I won't implement it
< 1221160900 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: why 0gnirts, pushing ",,,,...." would require a pop
< 1221160900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1221160907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh
< 1221160913 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C¢D
< 1221160915 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1221160915 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: eehhehe,,,not sure....
< 1221160917 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/¢/$/
< 1221160921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaa
< 1221160923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is funny
< 1221160925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I get it
< 1221160926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221160945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I may actually implement that, probably not, but I don't rule out the possibility
< 1221160952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D
< 1221160952 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah what should i use intsead
< 1221160956 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*instead
< 1221160957 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAND is poorly defined, does it use a generator of its own or not
< 1221160977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well as I said above, IMTH is useless, since there are other fingerprints to do those things, or they are easy in pure funge
< 1221160983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I agree about RAND
< 1221160984 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well, just ( -- chars...) or something
< 1221160992 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that RAND can be handy
< 1221161003 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since if you need a value ? is a bit painful
< 1221161015 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok MKRY updated
< 1221161017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tusho.net/mkry/
< 1221161027 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, RAND doesn't really say anything about the qualities of the generator
< 1221161028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, um "All pushes from 3 to 15."
< 1221161031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it changed
< 1221161035 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no shit
< 1221161041 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it changed!!
< 1221161047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I just noticed it
< 1221161050 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i know, crazy, i meant to update it without changing it
< 1221161053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and yes I love this parody :D
< 1221161066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, just that 3..15 range changed
< 1221161069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from something else
< 1221161069 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pseudorandom okay for RAND or not? doesn't say. do values need to be evenly distributed? doesn't say.
< 1221161071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure
< 1221161077 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no
< 1221161079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0gnirts -> c ...
< 1221161079 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely he uses rand()%n
< 1221161086 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that ECED works
< 1221161104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I'd say you should select by fair dice roll then hard code a lookup table
< 1221161112 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return 4;
< 1221161119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah you know :D
< 1221161128 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, SORT
< 1221161134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221161143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORT is badly defined I'd say
< 1221161147 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Va Vld Vbd w n
< 1221161149 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hell?!
< 1221161150 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ridiculous thing to write next
< 1221161150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sort block in funge-space"
< 1221161161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: will you implement mkry
< 1221161163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed, I got no idea what those vectors mean
< 1221161163 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too, but wth are those arguments
< 1221161164 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: nope
< 1221161170 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: if i provide a file?
< 1221161183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, probably not, but you could try implement it using mini-funge
< 1221161192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think efunge may handle that
< 1221161192 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I can provide you a file too! See http://www.google.com/index.html
< 1221161199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: if i provide an implementation file
< 1221161200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1221161202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will implement dynafing from !Befugne then
< 1221161208 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: nah :-P
< 1221161226 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: why not, it'd be a cp :P
< 1221161244 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite
< 1221161257 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hm?
< 1221161272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway, I still plan my SOCK replacement suite, but I didn't receive any comments on it from you, I did send the mail to you
< 1221161293 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the output of ccbi -p
< 1221161303 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i'd provide a patch
< 1221161303 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1221161304 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, which means I don't have anything meaningful to say :-P
< 1221161310 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: so it's not just a cp ;-)
< 1221161315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ok, cp && patch
< 1221161318 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that acceptable? :P
< 1221161327 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :&& merge && headbash
< 1221161333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but do you like the idea or not?
< 1221161334 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in any case, nah.
< 1221161341 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i'll fork ccbi if you don't
< 1221161341 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1221161342 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure, why not
< 1221161352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and I would like some input on the "auto handler" for "don't care what ip version"
< 1221161357 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: if I were you I'd just do the mini-funge impl :-P
< 1221161370 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i don't know funge.
< 1221161405 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider learning!
< 1221161409 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe.
< 1221161427 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ?
< 1221161428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant:
< 1221161429 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    "FRTH"  0x46525448  Some common forth [sic] commands
< 1221161430 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the [sic]
< 1221161444 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how forth is spelled
< 1221161455 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: thats how the language name is spelled...
< 1221161463 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's Forth
< 1221161471 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oh.
< 1221161473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I said in the mail, the idea of an application in funge being able to use a generic interface for ipv4 and ipv6
< 1221161475 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm case-insensitive
< 1221161480 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be. :-P
< 1221161483 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1221161496 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use a case-insensitive filesystem and such.
< 1221161503 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and type in lowercase on irc
< 1221161518 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho:
< 1221161519 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse.." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse.."
< 1221161528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1221161536 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: and those sentences are such common, everday occurences
< 1221161541 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, i am a fan of innuendo.
< 1221161557 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a reason for not always being case-insensitive
< 1221161577 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so what input do you want on that
< 1221161600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what design would be good for that, yet allow separate ipv6 and ipv4 for those who wanted?
< 1221161602 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i am always, always case-insensitive
< 1221161604 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in everything
< 1221161622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm pretty much lost there
< 1221161626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would mean hostname based
< 1221161657 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know very much about network programming so I'm not exactly an authority on the topic
< 1221161662 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCKI sounds fine to me, shrug
< 1221161667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should there be a SCKI for IPv4/6 with a flag for "don't care, ipv4, ipv6"
< 1221161671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1221161672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1221161683 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would it be possible to tag a socket with a flag
< 1221161693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean?
< 1221161697 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then just use the same interface always
< 1221161716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the shared parts would have the same interface
< 1221161719 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you create a socket, specify a flag, like the current SOCK does, for whether it's IPv4/IPv6
< 1221161730 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/don't care
< 1221161738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes makes sense in a SCKI part
< 1221161745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we need SCKU for unix sockets
< 1221161770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one for core (NSCK), then SCKI for TCP/UDP + IP, and SCKU for unix sockets
< 1221161789 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, unix sockets mess everything up :-P
< 1221161805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, to make stuff more portable it is separate
< 1221161813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are more ones
< 1221161820 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they didn't exist, it would be much simpler :-)
< 1221161828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STCP or whatever the name is
< 1221161841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well you could choose not to implement SCKU
< 1221161851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is another good part
< 1221161861 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should leave it open anyway
< 1221161879 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe add an instruction to query whether a certain flag combination (TCP/IPv4 for instance) is supported
< 1221161889 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: fingerprints/tusho/mkry.d GOOOOOOO
< 1221161891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rcfunge98.com/dyfp.f98 <-- hm can't find any details for that fingerprint?
< 1221161895 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you know that creating a socket fails for that reason and not just randomly
< 1221161917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well ok it would be part of SCKI
< 1221161956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the core could have an instruction to list supported address family fingerprints
< 1221162004 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1221162017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your fingerprint mechanism is confusing kekekekekekekke ^________^
< 1221162019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, implement it in dynafing
< 1221162022 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no
< 1221162031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah, you don't support "kekekekekekekke" in MKRY!
< 1221162045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that should be in TUSH?
< 1221162048 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is MKRY
< 1221162053 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not SCFT
< 1221162057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCFT?
< 1221162070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1221162079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would SCFT stand for
< 1221162175 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCience FicTion?
< 1221162183 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221162280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I just got a good idea for a fingerprint, that is *truely* non-portable
< 1221162292 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 'Spec: Be non-portable.'
< 1221162308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERLANG (cells have to be larger than 32-bit, probably BIGNUM to fit the name)
< 1221162318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E evaluate 0"gnirts" as erlang
< 1221162321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221162329 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: total ripoff of my BF
< 1221162331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I won't implement such a thing in efunge
< 1221162338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just won't
< 1221162354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, point it is would require the interpreter to be written in erlang
< 1221162359 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221162360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it can't exec validly
< 1221162360 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wouldn't
< 1221162361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221162364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the specs say so
< 1221162367 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just run an erlang process in the background
< 1221162375 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and send off the string
< 1221162393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I won't finish the spec
< 1221162397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor will I implement it
< 1221162403 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's still portable
< 1221162405 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even trivial
< 1221162418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no, since it have to evaluate within the context of the interpreter
< 1221162429 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the spec does not say that
< 1221162431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly affecting interpreter internals
< 1221162438 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's easy too
< 1221162439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, they do, but I wasn't finished with them
< 1221162443 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write an interp bridge in erlang
< 1221162449 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just sends it back to your other-lang interp
< 1221162453 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and changes the interp there
< 1221162463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, could be hard if it is in C or C++ or whatever
< 1221162473 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too hard.
< 1221162489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I won't implement it
< 1221162490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever
< 1221162497 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRR
< 1221162504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean EVAR
< 1221162505 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points a gun at AnMaster's head
< 1221162511 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement it or BANG.
< 1221162511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a fingerprint
< 1221162527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION implements BANG to reflect on everything
< 1221162528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221162535 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement it or i will shoot you.
< 1221162543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, sorry since BANG will reflect
< 1221162552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would just bounce and hit yourself
< 1221162554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't use BANG
< 1221162578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, anyway no I won't ever implement it
< 1221162591 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even if i would kill you if you didn't?
< 1221162618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be an extremely silly action of you
< 1221162634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but if i did?
< 1221162648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop
< 1221162703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I haven't worked out how fingerprints should work in efunge yet
< 1221162717 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so you value not implementing ERLANG over your life
< 1221162961 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :futtbuck
< 1221162988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if ais will be here tomorrow
< 1221163012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm going to ignore you when you get too silly
< 1221163027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1221163037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care
< 1221163039 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm having fun
< 1221163595 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221163721 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221163841 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221164630 0 :oklobol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221164902 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
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< 1221166044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i resemble that glob
< 1221166056 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew.
< 1221167184 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221167608 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1221167719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then a miracle happens
< 1221167843 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arcanux.org/lambdacats/impossible.jpg
< 1221168951 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221169537 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | There are probably many.
< 1221169593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There can be only one!
< 1221169747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThereCanBeOnlyOne (warning: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife)
< 1221169816 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221170843 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1221171019 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there a TerriblePun trope on tehre
< 1221171451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly, but try http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HurricaneOfPuns
< 1221171479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1221171479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/08.09.10
< 1221171483 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowest day in an awful long while
< 1221171488 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a tiny log
< 1221171589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all
< 1221171599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was because the earth was destroyed
< 1221171676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221171680 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by darwin
< 1221172111 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally there was a 16 year old Indian girl who committed suicide when she heard about the LHC fears.  I think she might be a good candidate for the Darwin award.
< 1221172145 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if the earth isn't destroyed :o
< 1221172162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true
< 1221172195 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a zombeeeeeeeeeee
< 1221172197 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombieeeeeeee
< 1221172219 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do we want?
< 1221172223 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRAIN!
< 1221172228 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When do we want it?
< 1221172229 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRAIN!
< 1221172292 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats Slereah 
< 1221172293 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brains
< 1221172316 0 :fungot!n=fungot@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221172322 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie
< 1221172323 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221172330 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.
< 1221172337 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I has no brains :((((
< 1221172338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot
< 1221172339 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i should also buy another notebook a 1,3 kg lightweight p3 samsung, 1 cm thick, 12" disp, complete with a tent rather than a primitive.
< 1221172344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUN AWAY
< 1221172345 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Shut up: You are dead. You cannot talk.
< 1221172354 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, a laptop with a tent.
< 1221172366 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But no primitives.
< 1221172369 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it run...?
< 1221172378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you ate only his brain, no vital organs
< 1221172393 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no
< 1221172396 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'eats Slereah'
< 1221172412 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty clear
< 1221172415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was just zombie grammar
< 1221172440 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221172444 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a zombuman
< 1221172528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternative theory: Slereah is speaking from inside your stomach
< 1221172593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a markov bot?
< 1221172594 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's the year 2006
< 1221172604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, a time traveller
< 1221172624 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, we're not in some demented vore slashfiction
< 1221172632 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah is thoroughly dead and cannot speak.
< 1221172642 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, I *hope* we're not in some demented vore slashfiction...)
< 1221172649 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :third try: he's a ghost
< 1221172662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if there are zombies there can be ghosts
< 1221172665 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho : Do you have a boner
< 1221172671 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: No, and you still cannot speak.
< 1221172676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have not risen from the dead yet.
< 1221172685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Rise and shine
< 1221172700 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if he was a ghost then he wouldn't respond to pings
< 1221172726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true
< 1221172985 0 :Linus`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
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< 1221177878 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AND THEN! They saw Jorge wanting to be hardcore but his mom would't let him. Fact: hardcores bite people and Jorge had rabies. I'm also a rapper. In the flesh. (Flesh is tasty.) Soon, however, he became bored of this rampant cannibalism. He threw down his piece of man-thigh, and went to get a real job. Or so he hoped. But no, rather than what was expected... there was a centipede! Hundreds of feet long, it crawled on its belly before exploding violently. Thi
< 1221177965 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1221177970 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: storygen
< 1221177996 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: http://91.105.85.60:4567/
< 1221178173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it got cut off after "violently. Thi"
< 1221178189 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is caused an international incident between the cat and your anus. Then, Elliott realized that moar people In the Midnight Hour of the something which then one mored.
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< 1221179118 0 :megatron!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"- nbs-irc 2.37 - www.nbs-irc.net -"
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< 1221179666 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1221180081 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1221181247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : transformed into an acoustic guitar and got Ubuntu Linux But didn't understand it when he talked about the rabbit about his mom when not all that suddenly, he farted and the expelled gas exploded immediately afterwards, killing you. That is to say, not. But then, Then he pooped out a kitten. Ohh, those fuckign delicious kittens Mr. Clockhead decided to kill Mr. Blockhead. After quenching his bloodthirst, something truly special happened. Jibbedybob so the Lo
< 1221181257 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ead. After quenching his bloodthirst, something truly special happened. Jibbedybob so the Loch Ness Monster decided to rape everyone. But Jibbedybob reveal himself to the man - the hot, sweaty man - SUDDENLY - all the sex was used up. So Jibbedybob bought some more at a convenience store. THE END
< 1221181318 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1221181600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now there's that Jibbedybob again
< 1221181616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is he up to?
< 1221182110 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1221182690 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lisp programmer is an oxymoron. Once you learn lisp you never write any code every again, you move into academia and spend the rest of your life trying to hoodwink other people into thinking lisp isn't a pile of shit."
< 1221183970 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1221185166 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any extreneous Sgeos are evil
< 1221185175 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221185212 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but which is the extreneous [sic] one?
< 1221185254 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at his evil underscore-bearing counterpart
< 1221185340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;528456667
< 1221185539 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1221185802 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221185802 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221188691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1221190371 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221191137 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | even logspace.
< 1221192969 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool if the logs could be stored in log space
< 1221195518 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221195812 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: good one
< 1221197977 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol lols in pain
< 1221199340 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: invent the compression algorithm
< 1221199458 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1221199482 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep only the last log(n) of n lines of logs. Throw out the rest; nobody reads logs that old, anyway.
< 1221199824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do upon rare occasion.
< 1221201303 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty clever
< 1221201406 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not
< 1221201493 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each log file is 60k, 4 years of logs, means 89702400 characters
< 1221201517 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means...we have a 18 character log
< 1221201522 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very useful
< 1221202064 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree. "not very useful" is all you need to know about esoteric languages
< 1221202084 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i kinda messed my own joke up by saying that.
< 1221202947 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: we need to pick an appropriate base, of course.
< 1221203006 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 1.00001 or something
< 1221203026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote base 1.
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< 1221206399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1221206400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221206725 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221206768 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1221206784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221207238 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1221208825 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1221210291 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221210523 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1221211167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last xkcd.... got no hover text...
< 1221211172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches world fall apart
< 1221212737 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | like a modulo?
< 1221214029 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Jesus loves you"
< 1221214204 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@121-73-162-206.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221214577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What's like a modulo?
< 1221214578 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've decided type-level church numerals are far more fun.
< 1221214607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: That sounds sufficiently esoteric, yes.
< 1221214608 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so that they can be evaluated, in sequence
< 1221217444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is O(n^2) or O(n log n) worst?
< 1221217548 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n^2 is obviously worse than n log n.
< 1221217553 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since n is worse than log n.
< 1221217559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1221217571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asymptotically speaking, anyway.
< 1221217721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm now what is the correct notation for "average" and "worst" cases
< 1221217731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is something else than O really isn't it iirc?
< 1221217836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no, I guess I remembered wrong
< 1221218184 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Jesus loves you"
< 1221218296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... if you needed a good sorting algorithm, good worst case and good average case, what one would you select?
< 1221219416 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qsort(3)
< 1221219434 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever your standard library offers
< 1221219459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true, but qsort() is quicksort isn't it?
< 1221219469 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it be
< 1221219485 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a crap name, there's no reason why it has to be :-P
< 1221219485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misleading name then I guess
< 1221219494 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely it's introsort
< 1221219528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1221219530 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's std::sort in the SGI C++ standard library, and the standard sorter in tango (after I filed a bug about it :-P)
< 1221219542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however mergesort could take advantage of multi-core CPUs
< 1221219553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what was the standard sorter before?
< 1221219556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in tango
< 1221219559 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicksort
< 1221219579 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :median-of-3 to be exact
< 1221219630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what about mergesort? It would be easy to take advantage of multiple cpus, if you have two, then at the first split in half let each cpu do half of the work
< 1221219673 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicksort can be parallelized as easily as mergesort
< 1221219698 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not quite as easily, but easily anyway
< 1221219964 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in any case, I'd leave that to the stdlib
< 1221219983 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unless you're sorting something really big it doesn't matter anyway :-P
< 1221220200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, or if you want a stable sort
< 1221220202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I do
< 1221220279 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case as well I'd leave it to the stdlib :-P
< 1221220286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if there is one
< 1221220296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may not always be the case
< 1221220312 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221220315 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately some stdlibs are crap, yes
< 1221220322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well that too
< 1221220344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was thinking about stand-alone C
< 1221220347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for kernels and such
< 1221220370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freestanding I believe the official name is
< 1221220429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how do you know I'm not planning a cfunge-OS ;)
< 1221220772 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-042-135.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221222251 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.85.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221222884 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221223280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh no
< 1221223290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ?
< 1221223296 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be a side effect of the earth being destroyed
< 1221223302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is?
< 1221223313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: IT!
< 1221223313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lack of hovertext
< 1221223323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1221223338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah either case it is pretty odd
< 1221223344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in either*
< 1221223352 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1221223353 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has it now
< 1221223364 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one didnd't have it at one point but then it got added in after people noticed
< 1221223370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, didn't have it this morning
< 1221223380 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that happens occasionally
< 1221223398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho is lying
< 1221223404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what?
< 1221223406 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i have a browser error
< 1221223411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not lying
< 1221223415 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, let's view source:
< 1221223428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/further_boomerang_difficulties.png" title="An eternity later, the universe having turned out to have positive curvature and lots of mass, the boomerang hits him in the back of the head." alt="Further Boomerang Difficulties" /><br/>
< 1221223429 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am lying.
< 1221223432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just checked xkcd, there is no hovertext
< 1221223436 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan:
< 1221223437 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/further_boomerang_difficulties.png" title="An eternity later, the universe having turned out to have positive curvature and lots of mass, the boomerang hits him in the back of the head." alt="Further Boomerang Difficulties" /><br/>
< 1221223535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/further_boomerang_difficulties.png" title="" alt="Further Boomerang Difficulties" />
< 1221223545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i see
< 1221223549 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cache
< 1221223570 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i didn't visit xkcd earlier
< 1221223606 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here:
< 1221223651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah!
< 1221223656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reload fixed it
< 1221223664 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1221223698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was weird, especially if AnMaster sees it too
< 1221223717 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe _JSUT_ added
< 1221223719 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just
< 1221223747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :within 15 minutes? wow
< 1221223754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there is hovertext there now
< 1221223754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1221223767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't when I mentioned the issue though
< 1221224114 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.85.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221224125 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itunes 8 looks neat-o
< 1221224662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah how disappointing
< 1221224696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google doesn't do unit conversion with kalpas
< 1221224860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalpas?
< 1221224911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalpa_(time_unit)
< 1221224941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you i looked it up afterward.  i didn't know there were conflicting definitions...
< 1221225214 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221225391 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1221226765 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221229256 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, anyone who ever comments on a piece of FUD targeting apple to *factually correct them*, even if they don't use apple products, is immediately called an apple fanboy
< 1221229261 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on reddit)
< 1221229263 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid reddit
< 1221229268 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll start blocking the comments
< 1221229868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1221230189 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221234337 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | exactly! omg we're like soulmates rofl!!! asl?
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< 1221234515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: I like your topic.
< 1221234516 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just... minute enough to... draw a circlish thing?
< 1221234615 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221234657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho, AnMaster
< 1221234663 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523!
< 1221234676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I even get an exclamation mark this time
< 1221234691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi
< 1221234694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has spent most of today trying to port C-INTERCAL to autotools
< 1221234706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it building reliably now, but there are some things I want to change
< 1221234706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :automake you mean?
< 1221234710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's it
< 1221234715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what things?
< 1221234718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even libtool while I'm at it
< 1221234722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave up on ick + automake
< 1221234734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly due to split oil output
< 1221234741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't like the way automake scatters all the temporary files in the root directory of the distribution
< 1221234742 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why on earth would you want to use autotools
< 1221234743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1221234753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah well I do out of tree builds always
< 1221234753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I handled the split oil output by writing it all as one rule by hand
< 1221234764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and you can move some stuff into subdirs
< 1221234768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find the command
< 1221234781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's not the problem, the problem is that some of the temporaries are distributed with the tarball
< 1221234786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR([utils])
< 1221234796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for config.guess config.sub and so on
< 1221234800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, I knew about that one, hadn't used it yet but was planning to
< 1221234801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :into a directory called utils
< 1221234814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also C-INTERCAL doesn't need config.sub at the moment, although I've been modifying it for gcc-bf
< 1221234829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly does config.sub do btw
< 1221234832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never checked
< 1221234850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: translates a short name like "i386" into a long name like "i386-pc-linux-gnu"
< 1221234864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also checks that the name is one that's recognised by some GNU software
< 1221234868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course bf isn't
< 1221234872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah hm.... that file will be replaced by regeneration commands
< 1221234875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need to add it
< 1221234878 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.rcfunge98.com/rcsfingers.html#ICAL
< 1221234884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes Deewiant
< 1221234887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that name sounds promising...
< 1221234906 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some intercal-esque stuff
< 1221234908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well is it correct, as in do like in intercal?
< 1221234918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but they took only the saner of the commands there
< 1221234919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh at grammar there
< 1221234924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he
< 1221234925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not they
< 1221234933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mike Riley
< 1221234942 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: singular they is correct.
< 1221234947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from "0R is not an error and will just continue without resuming", that is an error in ordinary INTERCAL
< 1221234962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and singular they is of disputed gramaticalness but I use it anyway
< 1221234965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, something like: ACLOCAL_AMFLAGS = -I macros --install
< 1221234968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the top Makefile.am
< 1221234973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to put macros into a subdir
< 1221234986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than at the end of aclocal.m4
< 1221234989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not that stuff I'm worried about, it's half-built parsers like parser.c and parser.h
< 1221235001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it confined to ick-0-29/temp in the old build system
< 1221235006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I have an insane solution
< 1221235010 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yesterday me and Deewiant were poking fun at mikeriley's fingerprints which are clones of existing ones sans all the useful parts, and incredible ambiguiuty ("format string is printf style") so I made my first fingerprint: http://tusho.net/mkry/
< 1221235021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mean that there are temporary files?
< 1221235031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about them? I assume darcs got some ignore function?
< 1221235031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's more like /var/cache
< 1221235038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what?
< 1221235041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the issue is that they're supposed to be distributed
< 1221235053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case the person at the other end doesn't have lex, or doesn't have yacc or equivalents
< 1221235068 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the sillier thing about the clones is that the originals are his as well :-P
< 1221235071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both the old and the new build system handles that fine, I just don't like where the new build system puts them
< 1221235073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :D
< 1221235088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that fingerprint reminds me of ESME
< 1221235090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: soon I shall write MIKR!
< 1221235106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the actual spec is that C pushes 3 to 15 (random) ','s
< 1221235109 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D the same but with '.'
< 1221235118 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and E the same but with randomly alternating 'e' and 'h'
< 1221235118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: but why?
< 1221235125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm...
< 1221235125 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: eheheheheheheehhe,,,,,not sure.......
< 1221235130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most fingerprints actually have some sort of purpose...
< 1221235132 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clue is in the name :-)
< 1221235135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it would put them in build tree I assume?
< 1221235146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which seems sane to me
< 1221235146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, the problem is it puts them in the root of the build tree
< 1221235151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the build tree is sane
< 1221235155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1221235158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in root isn't, because they get distributed with the package
< 1221235159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's strange
< 1221235175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I guess you don't use recursive make (and yes I prefer non-recursive too)
< 1221235176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my insane solution is to put Makefile.am in a subdirectory of its own
< 1221235193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I prefer non-recursive, and recursive make doesn't even really make sense with C-INTERCAL
< 1221235205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most of the targets share most of the object files
< 1221235214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I assume you do out of tree build the same way as "normal" automake-using projects do?
< 1221235216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is:
< 1221235216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's nothing to recurse over
< 1221235226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: configure out of tree and it builds out of tre
< 1221235228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/e/
< 1221235233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/foo/build $ ../configure
< 1221235233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just how it normally works
< 1221235256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even put the build dir elsewhere
< 1221235279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the build dir alongside the source dir for testing
< 1221235285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's ../newbuild/configure
< 1221235313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where newbuild in my filesystem = ick-0-29 in everyone else's
< 1221235331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I changed the filenames away from DOSish to some extent, so they don't look DOSish any more
< 1221235345 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it still works on DOS, right?
< 1221235347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are even not 8.3, but they truncate to 8.3 in a way that gives unique answers
< 1221235354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: haven't tested, if it doesn't I'll change it until it does
< 1221235417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> some of them are even not 8.3, but they truncate to 8.3 in a way that gives unique answers <--- heheh, such an intercal-ish thing to do :D
< 1221235455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how did you handle the multiple oil output files?
< 1221235459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was what I got stuck on
< 1221235473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: encapsulated them all in one target that produces a .a as its output
< 1221235478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marked noinst, so it's only used during the build
< 1221235485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wrote that target by hand
< 1221235488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1221235491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea
< 1221235524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however will this work with LLVM I wonder. I couldn't get ick to work properly with llvm if the compiler itself was compiled with llvm
< 1221235538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you know how to get autotools to use the host CC for some compilation and the target CC for others when cross-compiling
< 1221235541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue was somehow that the installed libick.a and such were broken
< 1221235560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both the old and new build systems almost work when cross-compiling, except that it compiles oil.y for the target not the host and thus can't generate the oil output files
< 1221235569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm, haven't really needed to compile stuff that is run during build time
< 1221235589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm quite sure it is possible
< 1221235592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, apparently neither have they
< 1221235596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's possible because gcc does it
< 1221235600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221235608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gcc even use it's own version of libtool iirc
< 1221235628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm not using libtool yet, but I may do at some point, it makes sense for libick.a to really be libick.so
< 1221235640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yes and no
< 1221235652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could be issues with .so
< 1221235660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I know there are issues with .so
< 1221235663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even know what some of them are
< 1221235683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically: 1) if installed to prefix, the library need to be found at runtime
< 1221235693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) the nasty bit is where symbols bind
< 1221235712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) is pretty nasty, ldd is unlikely to know about where to look for INTERCAL symbols
< 1221235729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a symbol name is used in several *.so
< 1221235740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is globally visible
< 1221235744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't just use my amazing findandfopen function (designed to make sure that there is a skeleton in the closet no matter how badly the user tries to screw up the installation)
< 1221235761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well all the symbol names are mangled with ick_ in C-INTERCAL already
< 1221235761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any call from inside *any* of those .so that define it will refer to a single one of the functions
< 1221235763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the local one
< 1221235778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used nm to check what they all were
< 1221235782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the FFI to C
< 1221235786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also that overhead of looking up symbols in the global symbol table.... well
< 1221235788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I didn't impinge on user namespace
< 1221235799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get around that somewhat with GNU LD
< 1221235810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is non-portable
< 1221235810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't particularly worry about the overhead given how ridiculously slow INTERCAL programs are likely to be anyway
< 1221235865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm most worried about ABI changes
< 1221235903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that too
< 1221235906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what landed Windows into a whole lot of trouble with its DLLs, to be precise their installers tended to bundle the DLL with the program and often overwrote newer versions with older by mistake
< 1221235910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even deliberately sometimes...
< 1221235917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since I install ick into ~/local/ick
< 1221235919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1221235927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good package manager can solve that, not everyone has access to one of those though
< 1221235929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the library search path is an issue for me
< 1221235942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I wouldn't install a darcs version outside my home dir
< 1221235954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1221235962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the darcs versions are not guaranteed to work or even make any kind of sense
< 1221235978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'd better get around to applying that IFFI patch before you think to check...
< 1221236009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr is reserved for package manager, /usr/local I don't use, since finding what file comes from what program would be painful
< 1221236037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt is also for package manager, but I may use it if I have to, since you can do one directory for the program that way, but it has the downside of library search path again
< 1221236038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use sufficiently few programs that I have /usr/local organised in my head
< 1221236043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so /home/local/<program>
< 1221236045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221236050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so $HOME/local/<program>
< 1221236083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I do use few such programs, but they are some that spread out lots and lots of files in the lib and share dirs
< 1221236115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 files in ~/local/flightgear-osg/lib
< 1221236117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1221236119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1221236124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two are subdirs
< 1221236128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a lot more files
< 1221236156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully those happen to have a sane naming scheme
< 1221236166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL installs two files in prefix/bin, some libraries with obvious names in prefix/lib, man and info in the correct places in prefix/share, and the data files and include files are in a subdirectory specific to ick
< 1221236175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't really get in the way at all
< 1221236176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libosg* libplib* libsg* libOpenThreads.so.*
< 1221236193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is svn version btw
< 1221236225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well you use automake to install now or?
< 1221236237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: still experimental, I'm planning to use that eventually though
< 1221236257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/local/llvm/lib, now that contains a special version of gcc in it
< 1221236263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way I would want that in /usr/local
< 1221236270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221236275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it was called llvm-gcc?
< 1221236285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes it is, but there is ~/local/llvm/lib/gcc
< 1221236295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still struggling with PATH problems with gcc-bf as it is
< 1221236299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/local/llvm/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/4.2.1/
< 1221236302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems
< 1221236316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wants to install everything as bf-gcc, bf-ar, etc. in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin
< 1221236317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well the binaries are prefixed with llvm-
< 1221236323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I got it in my PATH
< 1221236333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just I don't like the mixed mess of all these in one place
< 1221236339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'm using the same trick, fake /bin directory in the path for some things
< 1221236344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninstalling one or upgrading one would be PAINFUL
< 1221236347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1221236373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for other things I rely on the fact that if you tell gcc where it will be installed before you install it, then you compile and install it and access it with an absolute path, it can find ld and so on by itself
< 1221236373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean with fake bin?
< 1221236381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a directory on the path holding binaries
< 1221236384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's prefix/bin
< 1221236387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for installing binaries into
< 1221236403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I always install with --prefix so I can keep track of them
< 1221236417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I find it useful I may put it in the PATH
< 1221236421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :often I don't
< 1221236455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I aim to get C-INTERCAL working with no support from the PATH
< 1221236459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example for flightgear that I mentioned above I got a complex wrapper script to construct command line arguments
< 1221236461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ~/bin/run-fgfs --aircraft=lightning
< 1221236461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Final command line: --multiplay=out,10,mpserver06.flightgear.org,5000 --multiplay=in,10,192.168.0.64,5000 --enable-fuel-freeze --disable-auto-coordination --disable-real-weather-fetch --disable-game-mode --prop:sim/traffic-manager/enabled=0 --prop:/sim/sound/voices/enabled=true --aircraft=lightning
< 1221236463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even without support from make install, on occasion
< 1221236463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? :D
< 1221236497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then stuff like -w to make it -enable-real-weather-fetch and so on
< 1221236511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it also sets various env variables
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< 1221237290 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooooooooo
< 1221237469 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuuuuuuuuup
< 1221237474 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soup.
< 1221237995 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: give me a crazy esolang idea.
< 1221238001 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just esoteric in general
< 1221238024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: trying to think of one
< 1221238031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had one a while ago and forgot it, which is annoying
< 1221238044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I remember
< 1221238051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pair of languages with very similar syntax
< 1221238058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all programs have to be a polyglot in both languages
< 1221238068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the output of one program is piped to the input of the other
< 1221238077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optionally with a third program in between
< 1221238085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the two programs are opposites in a sense
< 1221238136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ^
< 1221238147 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221238154 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's interesting but i'm not sure how you'd go about it
< 1221238157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming gcc is like that
< 1221238201 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221238261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .md file is a polyglot between a file that translates GIMPLE to RTL and a file that translates RTL to asm
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< 1221238316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made out of lots of commands that contain the standard pattern that comes out from the GIMPLE, the RTL, and the asm all in one command
< 1221238322 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:<
< 1221238337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with various things you can tweak all over the place to get the two halves to act differently
< 1221238527 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray. #web is run by a power-mad retard.
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< 1221238600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221238615 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The op got angry at a guy for no reason, I pointed out an error in his reasoning, he responded with the same reasons and said 'got it?', I told him that his reasons were still wrong for the reasons I said, he opped himself and said 'GOT IT?', I told him that blindly asserting reasons while ignoring rebuttals and then threatening those who take issue with them is not acceptable and he could ban me if he wished, so he did, and says it's for 24 hours.
< 1221238619 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry...
< 1221238621 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, irc
< 1221238623 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1221238629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: which channel?
< 1221238635 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: #web
< 1221238644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty general...
< 1221238662 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite
< 1221238674 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's web *development*
< 1221238677 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still general, but less so
< 1221238733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose it's owned by the inventor of the Web?
< 1221238768 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221238774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I think it's correct, actually.
< 1221238776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like #esoteric.
< 1221238783 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only for actual tangible things that the ## thing applies, I think.
< 1221238791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so, something that's so common it doesn't need a ##
< 1221238799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who invented esolangs?
< 1221238800 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So I guess we should actually be on #nomic...)
< 1221238818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it's pretty clear that Nomic was invented by someone in particular
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< 1221238827 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
< 1221238829 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help me!
< 1221238830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most discussions of Nomic reference Suber sometime
< 1221238833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Slereah
< 1221238851 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not a tangible thing,t hough
< 1221238860 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"windows" is an actual product, a thing, an entity
< 1221238866 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, since the channel is not official it is ##windows
< 1221238869 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 'esoteric', 'web', 'nomic'
< 1221238871 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstract concepts
< 1221238963 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221238973 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of annoyances that are prominent in channels
< 1221238976 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ##c still have poppavic?
< 1221238982 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joy.
< 1221238983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does.
< 1221239168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1221239361 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i have an eso project for you
< 1221239376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I have too many at the moment, but go on
< 1221239383 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find out what system calls and stuff emacs uses, and implement them, and get a tty working etc. then, well, just boot emacs
< 1221239391 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially, write the least possible kernel that will run emacs
< 1221239411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it can be run on DOS, and that's pretty minimal
< 1221239421 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but it still has tons of unneeded stuff
< 1221239426 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this OS would need to do is run one program at kernel level
< 1221239428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it runs on DOS 1?
< 1221239432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't even have directories
< 1221239440 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing else
< 1221239547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well gcc_bf only has 2 syscalls
< 1221239557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could get emacs running on that?
< 1221239576 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it :P
< 1221239664 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221239747 0 :Slereah!n=x@ANantes-252-1-36-117.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221239749 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah
< 1221239754 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am at my wits end!
< 1221239759 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more wits do I have.
< 1221239926 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit. There it goes again.
< 1221240118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221240126 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221240168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1221240172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as though I'm competing with Slereah to see who has the least reliable connection
< 1221240733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1221240902 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221241010 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you win
< 1221241011 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost the game
< 1221241025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221241278 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221241330 0 :Slereah!n=x@ANantes-252-1-36-117.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221241482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1221241493 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hulo
< 1221241546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221241690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, what were you shouting about before?
< 1221241777 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221242037 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221242471 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 has shouted?
< 1221242473 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221242484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ?
< 1221242492 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221242494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread
< 1221242495 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Slereah, what were you shouting about before?
< 1221242497 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1221242500 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your quit line was above it
< 1221242518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221242519 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | But it's not implementable, usable, interesting, or hard, or anything really
< 1221242528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes the new topic
< 1221242531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done optbot
< 1221242532 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe it'd be clearer in java
< 1221242541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, bad optbot!
< 1221242541 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was working on optimising the C-from-Underload code
< 1221242557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... that must have been either me or tusho, I suspect tusho
< 1221242568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221242570 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how i type
< 1221242590 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the current topic is mine
< 1221242598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :commenting on asie's stupid "-1 instruction set idea"
< 1221242604 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(every instruction except anything that makes the machine halt)
< 1221242621 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 08.01.16:07:50:59 <ais523> I was working on optimising the C-from-Underload code
< 1221242627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it was me
< 1221242643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's play guess-the-optbot-utterance!
< 1221242644 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The same applies to the vast majority of command-line UNIX, to be honest. . .
< 1221242658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... not sure, I don't know who in here types ... like that
< 1221242662 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq
< 1221242667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always puts spaces in
< 1221242671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1221242674 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uses correct grammar
< 1221242872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: have you seen dogface around recently?
< 1221242882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dogface is ihope
< 1221242884 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no
< 1221242886 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not apart from ##nomic
< 1221242887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1221242890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using the new name
< 1221242893 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he only seems to join certain channels and only for a tiny time
< 1221242895 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, he's ihope these days
< 1221242899 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he changed back
< 1221242900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, changed back?
< 1221242912 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was DogFace or DogKing or something in sine when i first went there
< 1221242916 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess he just has a lot of nicks
< 1221243273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how goes feather?
< 1221243286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very much at the moment, I'm working on other things
< 1221243292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I have talked about at length in this channel already
< 1221243418 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221243492 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:54:16 <ehird`> and your - is I(n)
< 1221243494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean
< 1221243506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could have been a typo for O(n)
< 1221243515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty bad for subtract/decrement
< 1221243520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but typical in esoteric functional languages
< 1221243729 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, of course
< 1221243730 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your bf->ul
< 1221244155 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still want http://xn--fvg8298f9da.xn--ii7c.org/
< 1221244414 0 :asiekierka!n=psygnisf@89.108.246.233 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221244416 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1221244422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1221244430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: is that Punycode?
< 1221244433 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and hello, tusho, i heard you aged to 30 all of a sudden
< 1221244447 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, for a thing that looks like ,[.,]
< 1221244453 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically ,[ as a subdomain of ,]
< 1221244455 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not those exact chars ofc
< 1221244456 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just lookalikes
< 1221244459 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: er no
< 1221244468 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tusho: I don't believe you're 12.
< 1221244473 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: why not
< 1221244488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: tbh neither do I, what with you claiming it was your birthday recently...
< 1221244490 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you wouldn't be at this level of knowledge right now
< 1221244494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's true.
< 1221244502 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: stop being a moron, there's been a video of my posted here
< 1221244507 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show it
< 1221244511 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead, show it, show it
< 1221244512 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take a picture right now
< 1221244517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: that might be illegal, you know
< 1221244517 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no
< 1221244521 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a video
< 1221244522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is
< 1221244523 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1221244525 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so
< 1221244527 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221244528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the US, I think so
< 1221244528 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not in poland
< 1221244531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so sure about the UL
< 1221244534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/UL/UK/
< 1221244536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still probably
< 1221244543 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppa says that asking for personal information of someone you believe to be a minor is illegal
< 1221244551 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1221244555 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm from poland not the US
< 1221244564 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're on US servers
< 1221244576 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And?
< 1221244580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:49] [MOTD] - By registering your nickname with Nickserv you agree that you
< 1221244580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:49] [MOTD] - are 13 years of age, or older. For more information about the
< 1221244580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:49] [MOTD] - Children's Online Privacy Protection Act please see their
< 1221244580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:49] [MOTD] - website at (http://www.coppa.org).
< 1221244589 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1221244598 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1221244599 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1221244603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... does anybody bother to read the Freenode on-server-join spam?
< 1221244605 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1221244611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, asie just left because he's under 13
< 1221244613 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guarantee it
< 1221244623 0 :asiekierka!n=psygnisf@89.108.246.233 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221244628 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not
< 1221244649 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait...
< 1221244653 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tusho is also registered
< 1221244655 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's 12
< 1221244656 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 13
< 1221244658 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am 13.
< 1221244662 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1221244663 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had my birthday on August 22nd.
< 1221244668 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you WERE 12
< 1221244670 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1221244680 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I flagrantly violated COPPA daily.
< 1221244692 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it for 2 years or so now
< 1221244693 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so far
< 1221244698 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No-one got into my hhhhhhhhhhh
< 1221244702 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, back
< 1221244705 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhhhhhhhhhhouse
< 1221244705 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a sentence.
< 1221244708 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To sue me, or something
< 1221244722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: could you interpret his sentences for me
< 1221244729 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand about half of them
< 1221244743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: possibly, but I don't want to expend the brainpower. fungot, say something more intelligible, please!
< 1221244744 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yome i'm not sure if it'll run on os 9. there's a //great// system service and daemon system.
< 1221244761 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1221244765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not even asiekierka could top fungot
< 1221244765 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: cl doesn't too much what? how?
< 1221244772 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want me to get out of this place, because i'm illegal in the US
< 1221244780 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221244782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said that.
< 1221244785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just want you to stay on-topic
< 1221244797 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually i don't care about him staying on-topic
< 1221244798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than steer onto conversations that have lead to flamewars or similar in the past
< 1221244803 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what is the topic
< 1221244804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off-topic's fine as long as it isn't contentious
< 1221244808 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I care about him not saying random crap and attributing it to people who never said anything like that
< 1221244809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: see the topic
< 1221244818 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then flooding the place
< 1221244819 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, agree
< 1221244832 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just replace "But it's" with "Asiekierka is"
< 1221244845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a random topicbot here
< 1221244847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi optbot
< 1221244847 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it wouldn't work for bf, so it's probably not very interesting
< 1221244849 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he knows
< 1221244853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having spammed "optbot!" for hours on end
< 1221244854 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: too many typos spoil the broth
< 1221244854 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can i do an optbot(!)
< 1221244855 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: hm
< 1221244856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo optbot
< 1221244856 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot optbot
< 1221244856 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: })}) <-- I like this language already -->
< 1221244857 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: (at least while freeing)
< 1221244858 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: i think distance should be measure in light years. well, maybe
< 1221244859 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: . . . Unless the size of each variable is unlimited or something.
< 1221244859 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until we yelled at him to stop
< 1221244859 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: even better if there's a srfi for it? :(
< 1221244860 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please paste another one!
< 1221244861 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: once you do check syntax, you have
< 1221244861 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, optbot, can i?
< 1221244862 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: blarg
< 1221244862 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: and it's only like 30 lines
< 1221244862 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: except for the author of cobol female/ cow/ tip"
< 1221244863 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Aha.
< 1221244868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<optbot> fungot: please paste another one!
< 1221244869 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is the ( infinite) and tried to deactivate you
< 1221244869 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
< 1221244869 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, can i do it, optbot!?
< 1221244870 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: lol
< 1221244877 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, srsly, can i do it, optbot
< 1221244878 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Rails adds untold horror to an already hideous language
< 1221244883 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fungot> ais523: this is the ( infinite) and tried to deactivate you
< 1221244884 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<optbot> ais523: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
< 1221244884 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Wait a minute...
< 1221244884 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: please someone send me an e-mail?
< 1221244885 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? Sorry, can i do it, optbot
< 1221244886 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: There's probably a term for it already, but mine works.
< 1221244895 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what is it, optbot
< 1221244896 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: tell me!
< 1221244896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fungot> optbot: except for the author of cobol female/ cow/ tip" <--- that's quite worrying
< 1221244896 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't think he's really an fnord)
< 1221244897 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: !bf [-.]
< 1221244902 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optbot, it's "yes".
< 1221244903 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: and distinguish them both?
< 1221244908 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optbot, YES.
< 1221244908 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: U+0145 is Ņ, "LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N WITH CEDILLA".
< 1221244914 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optbot, duhh, so can i
< 1221244914 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Granted.
< 1221244918 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, i will
< 1221244919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: ~}|{zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba...
< 1221244920 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221244920 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The girl doesn't look too thrilled
< 1221244920 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | THAT'S LIKE INSULTING GOOGLE!!!!!
< 1221244926 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
< 1221244987 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to do a TV Service
< 1221244998 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AsieSat, or ASSat for short. Yeah, i see the joke
< 1221245011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to guess who said the topic
< 1221245016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the context was a flamewar
< 1221245021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly between rival OSs
< 1221245026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone decided to parody it
< 1221245029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, though
< 1221245049 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEONE RUN A SEARCH ON #ESOTERIC LOGS!!!!!
< 1221245060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka. you have just flooded the channel with like 100 pointless chat with optbot
< 1221245061 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that website seems to work fine for me in w3m
< 1221245067 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were we just not telling you to do?
< 1221245067 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 8
< 1221245070 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you doubled it, too
< 1221245097 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to get out an answer from him
< 1221245120 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: it's incredibly annoying for everyone else, though
< 1221245126 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1221245132 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: !
< 1221245133 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: 'Trivial'.
< 1221245133 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221245137 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221245323 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to the old and dusty switch room from his previous roleplay
< 1221245342 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{Remember that? That one in a black box and with cubes and a universe-modifying C64?}}
< 1221245378 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: oh, you're hijacking #esoteric again for that IRC RPG that nobody wants to play?
< 1221245433 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, but yeah.
< 1221245443 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tell him to stop
< 1221245446 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MAN FORC---Nothing, nothing, blowing out dust
< 1221245446 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please
< 1221245448 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he never listens to me
< 1221245454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: tell asiekierka to stop
< 1221245481 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes over lament for a split second
< 1221245487 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{as lament} tusho: tell asiekierka to stop
< 1221245491 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION becomes back at asiekierka
< 1221245493 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka.
< 1221245494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously.
< 1221245494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it.
< 1221245498 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1221245508 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok to be silly but you're just being annoying. :|
< 1221245515 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::((
< 1221245528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smiley faces with ( in them don't change that
< 1221245576 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::((((
< 1221245581 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're mean.
< 1221245590 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: i'm only mean beacuse you've done it so many times
< 1221245598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and however many times you're told that you're being annoying you just keep doing it
< 1221245606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!test
< 1221245606 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1221245635 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i want to do it... somewhere
< 1221245638 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where
< 1221245645 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: notepad.
< 1221245649 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with someone
< 1221245655 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no multiplayer notepad, is there
< 1221245656 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find someone who actually wants to.
< 1221245659 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes
< 1221245659 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonedit
< 1221245706 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where to find these people?
< 1221245708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are multiple multiplayer notepads around I expect
< 1221245722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: i don't know! this isn't #social-skills
< 1221245725 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forums
< 1221245728 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORUMS?
< 1221245730 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: #defocus?
< 1221245730 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nononono
< 1221245738 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's freenode's general social channel. find someone there.
< 1221245741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: suggesting #defocus was evil
< 1221245750 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: at least he'll bother them, not us
< 1221245753 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of the stuff in there is tripe anyway
< 1221245755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why, though
< 1221245757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or who towards
< 1221245810 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221245815 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess
< 1221245820 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's going to come back very very soon
< 1221245828 0 :asiekierka!n=psygnisf@89.108.246.233 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221245828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and start this whole annoyance-unhappy-quit cycle again
< 1221245832 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho
< 1221245909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fungot> ais523: yome i'm not sure if it'll run on os 9. there's a //great// system service and daemon system. <-- hahaha
< 1221245909 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as it ought to be
< 1221245922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is yome anyway
< 1221245922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I used MacOS 9
< 1221245934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is oklopol when you need him
< 1221245934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I know how crappy it is
< 1221245939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no memory protection
< 1221245954 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: amiga didn't have that either
< 1221245956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you had were not really DOS TSR but almost as bad
< 1221245957 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a great os
< 1221245968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, sure, back when it was modern
< 1221245976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but OS 9 crashed daily
< 1221245997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, random programs crashed and made the OS crash daily
< 1221246005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yome is just a person on freenode/#scheme.
< 1221246032 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i have a sort of database idea that would work well for things like the counter log
< 1221246042 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of "inverted db"
< 1221246044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on
< 1221246081 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: okay
< 1221246081 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221246083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1221246089 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have the columns A,B,C and D
< 1221246093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of
< 1221246099 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{key: (A,B,C,D), ...}
< 1221246100 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have
< 1221246110 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{key:A,...} {key:B,...} etc
< 1221246118 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can look things up by anything
< 1221246128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just indexes, isn't it?
< 1221246131 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reconstruct with (astore[key],bstore[key]...)
< 1221246132 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well yes
< 1221246134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have no master copy
< 1221246137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is in the index
< 1221246140 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1221246140 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1221246143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll give an example
< 1221246155 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :id is the internal row identifier
< 1221246158 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just a big int
< 1221246162 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we have the columns
< 1221246164 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo and bar
< 1221246166 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both integers
< 1221246202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo_store = {foo: [id]}; bar_store = {bar: [id]}
< 1221246208 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hnn
< 1221246209 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hmm
< 1221246210 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1221246221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Tk portable?
< 1221246225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering
< 1221246232 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1221246234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in across most *nix + windows
< 1221246236 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not native everywhere
< 1221246239 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ugly most places
< 1221246239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly other OS
< 1221246246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ugly *everywhere*
< 1221246252 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, on windows it looks fine
< 1221246256 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on os x it is kind of ok
< 1221246259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1221246263 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on OS X it's like a retard tried to make an OS X interface
< 1221246266 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong fonts, input fields are wrong, etc
< 1221246268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and isn't tk related to tcl in some way?
< 1221246269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1221246271 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1221246276 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tcl api
< 1221246294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how comes it is used outside TCL?
< 1221246307 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is.
< 1221246307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example there is TK for Perl iirc, and even for python I think?
< 1221246311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and erlang use it
< 1221246325 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and?
< 1221246329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why
< 1221246348 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it works and is easy to us.
< 1221246349 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*use
< 1221246351 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very easy to use
< 1221246364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean there is GTK, QT, wx, and a heap of other ones
< 1221246367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that all look better
< 1221246378 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are difficult to use
< 1221246383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe
< 1221246391 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not maybe
< 1221246392 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very definitely
< 1221246398 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtk, qt, wx, they are all a right pain to use
< 1221246404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get a hello world in tk in 3 lines of simple code
< 1221246435 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster:
< 1221246436 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     package require Tk
< 1221246436 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     button .hello -text "Hello, World!" -command { exit }
< 1221246436 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     pack .hello
< 1221246443 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you click the button and it exits
< 1221246443 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial
< 1221246444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1221246445 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's in tcl)
< 1221246451 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the apis in other languages are identical
< 1221246455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it is easy to use from tcl
< 1221246468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well can you avoid including tcl at all then?
< 1221246470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use tk
< 1221246481 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, the other languages apis just call the tcl functions
< 1221246482 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trivial
< 1221246486 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tcl is tiny-footprint
< 1221246488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so they need tcl installed?
< 1221246489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm
< 1221246497 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tcl and tk are the same package in a lot of distros
< 1221246498 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most, i'd say
< 1221246503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1221246530 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tk looks good on windows
< 1221246533 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks pretty much native
< 1221246538 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from, again, input fields
< 1221246548 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, while tk is fine on os x, i could easily spot a tk from a nontk app
< 1221246554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on x11...bwaahhahahaha
< 1221246555 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although
< 1221246557 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a theme engine for tk
< 1221246560 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it look OK on x11
< 1221246565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: just like you can spot a Java GUI application a mile off?
< 1221246572 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not on OS X
< 1221246572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if Swing-based?
< 1221246573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah yes
< 1221246574 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses native controls
< 1221246576 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with swing
< 1221246579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1221246583 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep
< 1221246583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't that defeat the point of Swing
< 1221246587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of
< 1221246589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well QT and GTK looks good on X
< 1221246589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221246593 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not complaining though
< 1221246596 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple did it, i think
< 1221246597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are both native I'd say
< 1221246597 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not java
< 1221246599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1221246599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sun
< 1221246617 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes
< 1221246624 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java apps are a pleasure to use on os x
< 1221246660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least wings use some other GUI, home made I think
< 1221246666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but looks good and works well
< 1221246682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and way way less messy than the custom style blender use
< 1221246699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wings is a 3D modeller in erlang, in case you wonder)
< 1221246709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rather good for polygon modelling)
< 1221246717 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: good thing you told us that
< 1221246722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd only heard it 30 times
< 1221246725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221246727 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's starting to sink in now
< 1221246729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you maybe heard it twice
< 1221246764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh I just have to link tusho to this :D
< 1221246766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he will love it
< 1221246773 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1221246776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.erlang.org/doc/efficiency_guide/part_frame.html
< 1221246777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs
< 1221246789 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut the fuck up AnMaster
< 1221246797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah :D
< 1221246799 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a difference between carefully optimizing operations that need it
< 1221246805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, indeed
< 1221246807 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and making your code fucking unreadable and shit for no reason
< 1221246811 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from 0.000001ms
< 1221246815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my code isn't unreadable
< 1221246819 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1221246827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got a high comment ratio according to ohloh
< 1221246829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1221246842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I think your code tends to be unreadable
< 1221246857 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'd like to point out that i don't give a shit and you keep bringing up this flamewar
< 1221246889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you started it
< 1221246899 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> ooooh I just have to link tusho to this :D
< 1221246900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you did
< 1221246904 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty clear
< 1221246905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well orignally
< 1221246915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want me to dig up logs?
< 1221246919 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes. and then i dropped it because it is pointless having any sort of discussion with you
< 1221246928 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now you keep. fucking. dragging. it. back. up. and. pissing. me. off.
< 1221246932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop. it.
< 1221247003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well efunge isn't over-optimised, I did some optimising, but only after trying to run the game of life in b93 under it. Then I used a profiler to find out what made it so slow (took like 20 seconds for each generation, while ccbi took about 1/3 or so, and cfunge 1/10)
< 1221247014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I optimised that, so it is around 1 second per generation
< 1221247023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by replacing with a more efficient funge space
< 1221247024 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hello, you missed the part where I said "i don't give a shit" and "stop bringing it up"
< 1221247027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I profiled all the time
< 1221247162 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm, do you have /usr/bin/command there?
< 1221247168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check
< 1221247173 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be usable in place of the /usr/bin/env trick except it's actually designed for that
< 1221247175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221247176 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno how widespread it is, though
< 1221247182 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: darn
< 1221247188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have it either
< 1221247208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the is a shell builtin in bash called command
< 1221247238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ help command
< 1221247238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :command: command [-pVv] command [arg ...]
< 1221247238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Runs COMMAND with ARGS ignoring shell functions.  If you have a shell
< 1221247238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    function called `ls', and you wish to call the command `ls',....
< 1221247247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, if that is what you meant?
< 1221247253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that's a shell builtin
< 1221247256 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't use that in a shebang
< 1221247257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be posix standard too
< 1221247272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221247302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RATIONALE
< 1221247303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       Since command is a regular built-in utility it is always found prior to the PATH search.
< 1221247316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so POSIX seems to say it should be built into shell
< 1221247318 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221247322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was from man 1p command
< 1221247322 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1221247372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what are you planning to do?
< 1221247376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to locate bash try
< 1221247383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env bash
< 1221247383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such
< 1221247387 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm not an idiot
< 1221247388 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1221247391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1221247394 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ais523: hm, do you have /usr/bin/command there?
< 1221247395 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:19] ais523: let me check
< 1221247395 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:19] tusho: it seems to be usable in place of the /usr/bin/env trick except it's actually designed for that
< 1221247396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you planning then
< 1221247398 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading helps
< 1221247401 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just curious
< 1221247546 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1221247548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah posix doesn't say it *have* to be a built in
< 1221247557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that it will probably be implemented as that
< 1221247577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/o0h09q99.html
< 1221247580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1221247689 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sexwithcars.org/ <- A forum for people who have sex with cars. I don't know either.
< 1221247704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: why paste that here?
< 1221247719 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i found a link to it and thought it sufficiently esoteric in an amusing way
< 1221248097 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html
< 1221248136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are those going to spot the black hole in realtime?
< 1221248178 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, you'll be able to watch them to see if the universe has exploded or not
< 1221248188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1221248190 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1221248196 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that is amusing
< 1221248249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(found it on the Irregular Webcomic forum)
< 1221248841 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are apparently real (and so, boring): http://www.lhc.ac.uk/web-cams.html
< 1221248912 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221248931 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah those are boring
< 1221248978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although one of them was obviously used to generate the upper part of the first link
< 1221250214 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye for an hour
< 1221250358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221250364 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1221251964 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221252488 0 :CO2Games!n=CO2Games@75-173-244-153.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221252511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221252541 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God damnit
< 1221252545 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to shit
< 1221252574 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fucking hate shitting because I have to plunge the toilet every time
< 1221252911 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1221253180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think of ocaml?
< 1221253255 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-146-210-216.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221253458 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly :-/
< 1221253613 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221253632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, isn't it in the same family as Haskell, both share ML as ancestor iirc
< 1221253639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah that one is uggly too
< 1221253641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly*
< 1221253645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so *shrug*
< 1221253733 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, ML isn't Haskell's ancestor
< 1221253765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the syntax looks similar certainly
< 1221253783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1221253786 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or depends on what you mean of course: they're both functional and ML is older than Haskell so there was probably some influence :-P
< 1221253798 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is much prettier than ML IMO
< 1221253805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the polymorphic type system was certainly introduced in ML
< 1221253806 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I've only seen crap ML code
< 1221253836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I mean, they share the look of unreadable and using | in odd ways,
< 1221253841 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly there are many inspirations
< 1221253871 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell, along with Lisp, has the most readable code syntax-wise IMO :-P
< 1221253883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as for |... I'm not going to respond
< 1221253913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples from wikipedia: some haskell:
< 1221253913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f x
< 1221253913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | x > 0     = 1
< 1221253913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | otherwise = 0
< 1221253913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some ml: fun fac 0 = 1
< 1221253913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | fac n = n * fac (n-1)
< 1221253925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err there was a missing newline after ml:
< 1221253925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but well
< 1221253933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they seem pretty similar
< 1221253936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not same function indeed
< 1221253940 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because implementing a trivial two-liner says everything :-P
< 1221253942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the general syntax
< 1221253963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the | does not mean exactly the same thing there though
< 1221253966 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what little real ocaml source code I've seen, I've found ugly
< 1221253969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1221253973 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221253975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another haskell version is:
< 1221253978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f 0 = 1
< 1221253979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either language, I just note they look similar
< 1221253983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f _ = 0
< 1221253993 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = fromEnum . (>0)
< 1221253997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they certainly look more like each other than like, say, erlang or prolog
< 1221254012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which languages?
< 1221254014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while erlang and prolog look quite similar according to ais523
< 1221254019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ML and Haskell
< 1221254022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the | is used for conditional guards in haskell, but to separate cases in ML (apparently)
< 1221254031 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this ML now or O'Caml?
< 1221254037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for erlang and prolog, they vaguely resemble each other, the differences are pretty obvious though
< 1221254038 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you switched topics at some point :-P
< 1221254053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well O'Caml descend from ML
< 1221254054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O'Caml is an ML.
< 1221254061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not SML
< 1221254069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yes
< 1221254108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ML is not indentation sensitive like haskell
< 1221254121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is not indentation-sensitive if you don't want it to be
< 1221254144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell care about indention!?
< 1221254149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1221254150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh if it does
< 1221254154 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want it to
< 1221254159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought only python did that
< 1221254166 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike with Python, though, I've never had any problems with Haskell's indentation
< 1221254176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell was first, i think (but not _the_ first)
< 1221254177 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/problems/issues/
< 1221254205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yes I like indention, but not everyone want to indent the same way
< 1221254216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use braces and semicolons
< 1221254221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at how many indention styles there are for C!
< 1221254227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell only is indentation sensitive in a few constructs
< 1221254234 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in any case, it's fairly open about it
< 1221254240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be painful to parse based on indention
< 1221254247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest you can indent as you want
< 1221254251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Haskell indentation looks better than Python indentation, and if you put { and } in it ignores the indentation
< 1221254257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1221254260 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the indentation sensitiveness is mostly stuff like "the contents of a for loop must be indented deeper than the for loop"
< 1221254272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah haskell indentation is painful to parse, especially because of its more flexible rules than python
< 1221254276 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. not "4 spaces or a tab or you die"
< 1221254278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's in Python, in Haskell you have to line the arguments up with the second word of the loop
< 1221254279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, someone should implement { } in python :D
< 1221254287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: someone did I think
< 1221254297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are modules for both Python and Perl to use the other's indentation/block syntax
< 1221254299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well as a filter and joke iirc
< 1221254301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for a compiler)
< 1221254311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221254312 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, you do? I always do it in all languages anyway, never noticed it was necessary :-)
< 1221254320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mean line noise for python?
< 1221254321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221254339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's the regex syntax which is almost the same in Python as in Perl
< 1221254344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :block syntax in Perl is much like in C
< 1221254354 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some differences
< 1221254356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and no not just regex in perl
< 1221254366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I can read perl regex just fine, I even like PCRE
< 1221254378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is stuff like qw/foo/ that put me off
< 1221254380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it was
< 1221254395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but qw is to make programs more readable!
< 1221254395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the "you can do it in n+1 ways for any given n"
< 1221254410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qw/foo bar baz quux/ is equivalent to ("foo", "bar", "baz", "quux")
< 1221254414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful if you have a long array
< 1221254415 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do anything in n+1 ways anyway, but only any m <= n will be smart ways
< 1221254422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sure probably it makes some special case more readable, but a "heavy" syntax is harder to learn
< 1221254434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :steep learning curve
< 1221254435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you only have to learn a bit at a time when writing Perl
< 1221254439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so shallow learning curve
< 1221254447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :steep learning curve if you're trying to /read/ it, though
< 1221254451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perl is ugly
< 1221254461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as ugly as php, I admit php is worse
< 1221254463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but close
< 1221254490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any non-esoteric language that is uglier than php
< 1221254506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there probably is some I don't know
< 1221254511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL I guess
< 1221254514 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL? :-)
< 1221254516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221254524 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mumps perhaps
< 1221254526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADD ONE TO COBOL GIVING COBOL
< 1221254528 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bancstar
< 1221254529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but I don't know COBOL enough to know what it looks like
< 1221254534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: like that
< 1221254547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 OK
< 1221254552 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: any guesses as to what that does?
< 1221254554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you even had to spell out all the arithmetic operations
< 1221254556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 THIS OLD BASIC IS PROBABLY WORSE
< 1221254560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 GOTO 10
< 1221254564 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I DOUBT IT
< 1221254567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221254569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221254573 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, COBOL is worse. :-P
< 1221254574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php is worse than that
< 1221254581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok
< 1221254593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: imagine assembly language, but written out in English
< 1221254594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> ADD ONE TO COBOL GIVING COBOL <-- COBOL++?
< 1221254599 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1221254599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what COBOL's like for arithmetic
< 1221254602 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wait that line 10 is legal?
< 1221254608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, COBOL++
< 1221254610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no probably not
< 1221254616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean 20
< 1221254618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I never coded in basic
< 1221254635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION started with basic
< 1221254639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily COBOL is somewhat good for database processing and has useful commands for that, or it would never be used at all
< 1221254640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I began with (gulp) AppleScript
< 1221254647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left it for Pascal, then later C
< 1221254649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I started with Pascal and with BASIC
< 1221254692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then after a while I learnt 6502 asm
< 1221254693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well AppleScript isn't *ugly*, with AppleScript the issue is something else.... maybe the way it try to act like English with bad gramar?
< 1221254695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not typical
< 1221254695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar*
< 1221254715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I learnt PAL, a scripting language for a database engine nobody ever uses nowadays I think
< 1221254723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got quite good at it though despite it being so obscure
< 1221254735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell application "Finder", end tell  <-- shudder, that is about all I remember
< 1221254744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then VBA, which is annoying and stupid but it was pretty easy to get hold of interpreters
< 1221254756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I learnt C++ some time around this, and C somewhat later
< 1221254765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ before C?
< 1221254766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1221254777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean C is easier to learn than C++ IMO
< 1221254784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well I came across C++ first
< 1221254790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately this was pre-standardisation C++
< 1221254795 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people learn "C/C++"
< 1221254805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, they are very very different languages
< 1221254810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they share some parts
< 1221254812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learnt LPC before C
< 1221254813 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think I don't know?
< 1221254815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm in a similar sort of situation to someone who knows only K&R C and doesn't really understand prototypes
< 1221254841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep on forgetting about things like namespaces, and have to look up all the keywords and standard library names because they're different
< 1221254852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you take a random non-trivial C program, say 4000+ LOC then chances are it won't compile as a C++ program
< 1221254873 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, mostly because of the idiocy with void* in C++
< 1221254874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, LPC?
< 1221254878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep, but if you replace all the calls to malloc it's a lot more likely to
< 1221254887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well that and int template;
< 1221254895 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which is not that likely
< 1221254896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe sort out constness of string literals but good C programming style shouldn't have that problem
< 1221254897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such
< 1221254902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPC_(programming_language)
< 1221254915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other C features that are hard to translate to C++ but they tend not to be used very much
< 1221254927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well certainly I saw a member of a struct called template in a plugin ABI recently
< 1221254927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was MUDing
< 1221254930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a project I work on
< 1221254964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crossfire, so codebase got a long history, since 1993 or so
< 1221254992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :const char* to char* and what not *shudder*
< 1221255001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a trivial #define will fix use of C++ keywods
< 1221255006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s$/rs/
< 1221255013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... that's still typoed
< 1221255019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think two files compile as C++ on that project
< 1221255019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/drs$/rds/
< 1221255024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is generated by flex
< 1221255029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that says something doesn't it?
< 1221255038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are quite a lot of files
< 1221255055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: C files are unlikely to coincidentally compile as C++
< 1221255057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly due to malloc
< 1221255066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and even after malloc is fixed I mean
< 1221255158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and certainly most parts doesn't use malloc in it, the code prefer sprintf + char [MAXBUF]; on the stack (though I fixed the remaining sprintf to snprintf some months ago)
< 1221255169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One needs to make a point of making something valid C and C++...
< 1221255177 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's not too *hard* if you make a point of it.
< 1221255189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or too sensible really, in most cases
< 1221255191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no I make a point of making it not compile as C++
< 1221255194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Granted.
< 1221255195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it's best to make malloc and free macros
< 1221255199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, :D
< 1221255201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're doing that sort of thing
< 1221255210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no point in it, of course, but it's not difficult. ;p
< 1221255266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I prefer to use C99 specific features like flexible array members to make it harder to port to C++ :)
< 1221255275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I really think C++ is doing it the wrong way
< 1221255286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 is definitely nice to code in.
< 1221255296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit to rather liking C++
< 1221255297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1221255298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :objc and smalltalk do seem to have a much saner OOP model than C++
< 1221255302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a huge fan of C++, myself.
< 1221255318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though most time OOP really just confuse isssues
< 1221255320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :issues*
< 1221255322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I actually like its OOP model, but maybe that's because I don't care about insanity and I've been forced to learn Java
< 1221255327 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I still want to beat Bjarne with a cluebat for overloading << and >> for I/O.
< 1221255341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes that is even worse
< 1221255343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are bitshift operators, dammit!
< 1221255350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in that context
< 1221255357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just look like bitshift operators to a C programmer
< 1221255357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :operator overloading do have uses, but using it for IO.... no
< 1221255377 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because you can define operator+ to be the multiplication operator doesn't make it the multiplication operator.
< 1221255383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not operator overloading, that's finding a spare unused operator in your cupboard and deciding to use it for something else because it can handle the additional workload
< 1221255384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes it proof that the coder is a cock.
< 1221255385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say if you implement a class doing decimal numbers as fractions of two BIGNUM
< 1221255397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then overloading +-*/ would be sane
< 1221255405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1221255411 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cout << 1 << 4, oops, didn't print 16
< 1221255420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant++++
< 1221255426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant++
< 1221255428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it does I think, << is left-associative
< 1221255443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cout << 1) << 4 definitely prints 16
< 1221255446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, if you really *want* an operator to be used for output, define *another one*.
< 1221255446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well then that would make it even more confusing
< 1221255450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: Lambdabot existence failure
< 1221255450 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just tested it, doesn't
< 1221255452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/16/1 4/
< 1221255455 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints 14
< 1221255457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> (cout << 1) << 4 definitely prints 16 <-- err=
< 1221255459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1221255462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: typo, sorry
< 1221255475 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 1 4 either, specifically 14 :-)
< 1221255477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be count (1 << 4)
< 1221255479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: wait, I've been saying the opposite of what I mean
< 1221255487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cout << 1 << 4 prints 14 as expected
< 1221255491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I meant to say
< 1221255494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is not expected
< 1221255510 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is expected but it's an easy mistake to make which is why << was a bad idea
< 1221255513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should print 16
< 1221255516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is, why would you expect << to associate the other way for no good reason?
< 1221255539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I expect it to work sanely
< 1221255539 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the right operator to overload is function call
< 1221255551 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cout(1 << 4)(1)(4) // 1614
< 1221255555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you mean... cout.print()?
< 1221255560 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean that
< 1221255564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1221255567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :overload function call?
< 1221255572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound sane at all
< 1221255573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1221255573 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can have an alias called print if you like
< 1221255577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would, for instance, cout << "a" << 1 << 4 <<"b" parse as (((cout << "a") << (1 << 4)) << "b") rather than ((((cout << "a") << 1) << 4) << "b")
< 1221255587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer a different operator for the purpose.
< 1221255590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221255601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you overload function call in C++?
< 1221255605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please please say no
< 1221255606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Such things are a natural side effect of there being two definitions for the same operator.
< 1221255606 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, as well as in D.
< 1221255610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god
< 1221255617 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's wrong with that?
< 1221255621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's a change from the C++ I've learnt, I think
< 1221255621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse than my worst fears
< 1221255626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... operator()?
< 1221255629 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that
< 1221255635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shudder*
< 1221255641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1221255643 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure you can :)
< 1221255644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not really a problem, though, because an object is not a function nor vice versa
< 1221255646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your problem with operator() :-P
< 1221255648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd understand it if C++ were defined similarly to Plof...
< 1221255662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, every operator is soley defined via overloading.
< 1221255666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, you have to love compile-time turing-completeness
< 1221255673 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't in C++
< 1221255678 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's so limited
< 1221255681 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to find use for it
< 1221255688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so?
< 1221255697 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just pointless
< 1221255707 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything turing-complete can be abused!
< 1221255709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: we're in #esoteric at the moment...
< 1221255712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> besides, you have to love compile-time turing-completeness <-- NO
< 1221255712 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so also c++ templates
< 1221255715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that
< 1221255719 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but C++ isn't meant to be esoteric :-)
< 1221255736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C++ templates are icky
< 1221255737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: all languages should be capable of being esoteric, or they're arbitrarily limiting what they're useful for
< 1221255747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: /way/ better than Java templates
< 1221255750 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: read http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html if you haven't
< 1221255750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, generic classes fine, they exist in C# for exampl
< 1221255759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :List<int>
< 1221255759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C++ prohibits goto from crossing an initialisation."
< 1221255761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1221255762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine
< 1221255763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1221255766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, what?
< 1221255768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factorial<4>
< 1221255770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thanks
< 1221255770 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, C++ is easily esoteric even without templates :-)
< 1221255775 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and why not?
< 1221255778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean goto foo;int i = 0;foo: isn't valid C++?
< 1221255781 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's borken.
< 1221255786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, imagine if int is an object
< 1221255790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you run its constructor?
< 1221255792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, when
< 1221255792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it isn't?
< 1221255808 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it doesn't give an error, only undefined behaviour or something like that since you're jumping past the initialization of i
< 1221255830 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Compilers are required to complain about that.
< 1221255937 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Nope.
< 1221255944 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!
< 1221255949 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221255949 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://www.codu.org/cgi-bin/hg/hgwebdir.cgi/plof/file/512a473fb11b/core/pul/collection.plof // this has a few psl{} bits, but, err, ignore those :P
< 1221255951 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221255952 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | but i can't remember the differences image, so
< 1221255959 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221255960 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | well, there's an accent on the u for starters
< 1221255961 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? I'm pretty sure MSVC doesn't... and since warning about it relies on the ability of the specific compiler to analyze control flow, different compilers give warnings in different cases
< 1221255963 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221255964 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | integers
< 1221255987 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: MSVC never claimed to be standards compliant ;-)
< 1221255992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it to yo�
< 1221256001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: the vast majority of languages are esoteric
< 1221256026 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do you mean?
< 1221256042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that they can be used for esoteric purposes
< 1221256047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the IOCCC, for instance
< 1221256056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C isn't an esolang, but IOCCC programs are esolang programs
< 1221256069 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I wouldn't call a language esoteric for that reason
< 1221256070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that annoys me about Python is that it tries to arbitrarily restrict this tendency
< 1221256076 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call it turing-complete ;-)
< 1221256078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well, I suppose so
< 1221256107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally, one of my friends, a big Python fan, was trying to persuade me that Python wasn't Turing-complete because there was only one way to do everything)
< 1221256120 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, what became of that
< 1221256129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they were wrong, of course, I've seen an implementation of ?: in Python of course and it looked like Perl but worse)
< 1221256132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no xense
< 1221256141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sense*
< 1221256144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1221256144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh
< 1221256148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1221256157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it wouldn't be turing complete makes no sense
< 1221256163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, obviously
< 1221256181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got loops, it have memory, even if it have the sizeof() problem it still got file IO
< 1221256189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't quite reach the point of pointing out that it's entirely possible to write a Perl interp in Python and write the Perl program you feed it as input in more than one way
< 1221256190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the other basic stuff
< 1221256240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I see why anyone would want to write a perl implementation in python
< 1221256250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe that would mean they would get perl6 done faster...
< 1221256251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1221256253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, I get annoyed when people say there should only be one way to do an if, for instance
< 1221256254 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: BTW, I'll try to update the mycology results table this weekend so if there's a release pending you should probably do it
< 1221256271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, too late tonight, will do it tomorrow
< 1221256277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I'm going to sleep in 10 minutes
< 1221256279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so
< 1221256285 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as am I
< 1221256286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, maybe Perl is a bit excessive (I can think of 5 ways to do an if offhand), but it's nice to have a choice
< 1221256291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can pick one that's easy to write
< 1221256295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so lets see when I wake up tomorrow
< 1221256295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your situatio
< 1221256297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/n/
< 1221256300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be late
< 1221256312 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no rush, it takes a long time to do it
< 1221256313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I read the last Terry Pratchett last night
< 1221256317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until 6 in the morning
< 1221256325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my sleep pattern is broken
< 1221256332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nation", very good book
< 1221256334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however
< 1221256344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very very unlike Pratchett's normal writing style
< 1221256349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally different
< 1221256360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't know if there are any other fans of his books here)
< 1221256499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read most of the ones I've got hold of, some are very good and some are just mediocre
< 1221256514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well this one isn't a Discworld one
< 1221256532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes some of the early ones are not as good
< 1221256532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1221256562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw Good Omens is excellent
< 1221256596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well would you say that the jokes and humor is an important part of Good Omens?
< 1221256601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would
< 1221256601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I would
< 1221256614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and same for most of Pratchett's other books
< 1221256617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not Nation
< 1221256624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok, so pretty different, then
< 1221256629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got a few jokes, but really it is more about telling the story
< 1221256677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still I'd say it was extremely good, couldn't put the book down
< 1221256811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all
< 1221256818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1221256982 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bakkk
< 1221257051 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forrrt
< 1221257103 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a guy in #defocus right now
< 1221257116 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying that google is run by the government and yelling about aspartame and flouride and such
< 1221257118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: playing RPGs with asiekerka?
< 1221257120 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and asking us for good news sources
< 1221257132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poe's law!
< 1221257134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: refer them to the Onion, or possibly UnNews
< 1221257137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: already done
< 1221257140 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he complained
< 1221257147 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then someone pointed him to infowars.com
< 1221257150 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which he claimed he was above
< 1221257152 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i did lol.
< 1221257153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... wikileaks?
< 1221257160 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221257177 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ThePaintedMan> MacGyverNL, yeah, alex jones is an agent
< 1221257177 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1221257179 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a metaconspiracy
< 1221257186 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 911 conspiracy theorist ... is a government agent
< 1221257219 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a reasonable idea - drown out the _real_ conspiracy theories with fake ones
< 1221257240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that a conspiracy theory conspiracy theory?
< 1221257246 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1221257257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a conspiracy metatheory.
< 1221257261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nicely done.
< 1221257262 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ThePaintedMan> tusho, you are generalizing the only person you ever knew existed?
< 1221257264 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w h a t
< 1221257269 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ThePaintedMan> anyway, alex jones is a shill  william cooper was closer to telling the truth
< 1221257270 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee hee hee
< 1221257291 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he's in #nethack
< 1221257292 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :believe it or not
< 1221257296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: which nick are you complaining about? ThePaintedMan?
< 1221257304 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221257306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a #nethack regular, who seems quite sane over there
< 1221257325 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe he's trolling us
< 1221257332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people can act so differently on different channels...
< 1221257344 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: although nethack players seem quite nice in general
< 1221257346 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't know why he would
< 1221257362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#nethack's pretty polite and helpful
< 1221257407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fungot> ais523: s/ top/ to/ get a flight simulator
< 1221257413 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure that he is a troll now
< 1221257429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain has trouble parsing that
< 1221257439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reads the to as both inside and outside the s///
< 1221257453 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tenex> it would be funny if he wasn't using foul language
< 1221257458 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT NOW IT JUST OFFENDS MY SENSIBILITIES :( :( :(
< 1221257594 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> ThePaintedMan: alex jones created fluoride to poison people's minds so that they wouldn't know he's a government shill
< 1221257595 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true.
< 1221257740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr Strangelove ripoff?
< 1221257755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I made that up all by my lonesome.
< 1221257773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i misread
< 1221257784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought he was the one saying that
< 1221257829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, since i've just discovered Poe's Law i would like to claim that, again
< 1221258345 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the gems from his early minutes:
< 1221258345 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ThePaintedMan> i dont even use a microwave...molecular friction destroys protein changse
< 1221258381 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ThePaintedMan> google is run by the us government
< 1221258476 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gahahahha
< 1221258479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now he's ranting about 9/11
< 1221258482 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how global warming is false
< 1221258552 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1221258554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's exploding
< 1221258559 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and spouting pseudo-science
< 1221258698 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ThePaintedMan> MacGyverNL, if you havent figured it out in 7 years how could i prove anything
< 1221258743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ThePaintedMan> there is peer reviewed phd papers out about this[citation needed]
< 1221258883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: who added the {{fact}} tag?
< 1221258888 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: me
< 1221258924 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ThePaintedMan> i will i have to go to thea irport
< 1221258927 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after people asked for evidence
< 1221259162 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1221259337 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any esoteric ideas yet? :P
< 1221259403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: there was the rather crazy idea I saw suggested of doing massively parallel processing by sending malformed HTTP packets to a lot of computers and seeing which ones bounced and which ones got lost
< 1221259421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I don't think HTTP is Turing-complete or anywhere near it, so I doubt it's usable for computation
< 1221259423 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221259430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not for computations you couldn't just do yourself more easily
< 1221259490 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you remember that netcc idea I came up with?
< 1221259494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a p2p compiler network
< 1221259500 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wan to distcc's LAN
< 1221259504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, apart from the name
< 1221259530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although what might be interesting: a massively distributed testsuite
< 1221259531 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have to compile everything twice, i think
< 1221259535 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to verify that somebody isn't faking it
< 1221259545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you get to try out your program on all sorts of different configurations
< 1221259556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could easily beat most other tests at testing portability on obscure systems
< 1221259565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: debian does something like that
< 1221259566 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpan too
< 1221259577 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debian just for builds
< 1221259580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I know, but I was thinking of a much broader scale than Debian
< 1221259580 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think cpan runs the tests
< 1221259587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they restrict themselves to sane implementations
< 1221259595 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably in a sandbox
< 1221259597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the Hurd, and ia64
< 1221259605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's in a chroot, in a fakeroot, I think
< 1221259618 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: duke nukem forever will run on hurd, i believe
< 1221259623 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ONLY hurd
< 1221259635 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be the hurd's kiler app
< 1221259636 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*killer
< 1221259639 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1221259641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean  GNU/Hurd
< 1221259667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: nah, Busybox/Hurd or something else that ignores the GNU utilities would be funnier
< 1221259684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even better, Explorer/Hurd
< 1221259710 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explorer/Hurd :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
< 1221259745 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the installation process will have an Ogg Theora video of Stephen Fry next to it walking you through it
< 1221259755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :licensed under by-nc-nd
< 1221259762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, something silly like Ogg/PNG
< 1221259768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is theoretically possible but pointless
< 1221259796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so which do you think will be first
< 1221259797 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurd or dnf
< 1221259819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: hard to say, when DNF comes out Hurd won't be usable but the FSF will claim it is
< 1221259827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there'll be a massive precedence argument
< 1221259834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the end the matter will just be left unsettled
< 1221259841 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: uh, you mean ... the current situation?
< 1221259841 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221259850 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use the Hurd today! As long as you don't want to do anything!
< 1221259862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, and it'll still be like that when DNF is released
< 1221259874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I'm looking forward to DNF a lot more than Hurd
< 1221259885 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: The FSF doesn't pretend that the Hurd is useful.
< 1221259886 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Hurd might just be as funny, though not intentionally
< 1221259889 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: O RLY?
< 1221259891 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: get out that quote
< 1221259895 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick
< 1221259895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even RMS doesn't claim that the Hurd is useful...
< 1221259911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it would take a while to find
< 1221259913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll try
< 1221259921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, fine, so ams thinks the Hurd is useful...
< 1221259928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But his idea of useful is 'runs Emacs'.
< 1221259961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists
< 1221259961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    The Hurd is real software that works Right Now. It is not a research project or a proposal. You don't have to wait at all before you can start using and developing it
< 1221259976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is in a section entitled "Advantages of the Hurd"
< 1221260009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever wrote that page was on crack.
< 1221260017 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hurd *works*, sure...
< 1221260031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ams?
< 1221260032 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't WANT the hurd to work, it seems terribly deisgned
< 1221260037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ever happened to worse is better
< 1221260042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the same sense that somebody implementing an OS entirely in Visual Basic may have something working. :p
< 1221260053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: He's the current GNU system maintainer.
< 1221260054 0 :Snrrrub!n=Snrrrub@d57-134-199.home.cgocable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221260060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu system maintainer lol
< 1221260070 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean ... he manages lots of software packages
< 1221260071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but what is his name?
< 1221260072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, most of what he does is be an ass.
< 1221260073 0 :Snrrrub!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1221260087 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is that guy who led/leads glibc?
< 1221260090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alfred M. Szmidt.
< 1221260092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like him, he didn't like rms a lot
< 1221260099 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and seemed to be generally reasonable
< 1221260108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1221260127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: moar like Alfred M. Stallman
< 1221260128 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amirite
< 1221260171 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like Adolf M. Stallman
< 1221260184 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.update.uu.se/~ams/public_html/public_html/public_html/public_html/public_html/public_html/
< 1221260191 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expert home directory exposure via the web
< 1221260210 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.update.uu.se/~ams/home/ what the fuck :D
< 1221260212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with all the nested public_htmls?
< 1221260232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, symlink loop, must be
< 1221260242 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1221260246 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln -s public_html ~
< 1221260250 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, err, ln -s home ~ ?
< 1221260259 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221260262 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong way around for the ln
< 1221260263 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1221260287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Good description.
< 1221260302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that even RMS admits ams is an ass.
< 1221260313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: who is the glibc maintainer guy
< 1221260314 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ex-maintainer
< 1221260316 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno.
< 1221260328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ln works like cp, it's a lot easier to remember how to write it once you realise that
< 1221260334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he's still the maintainer; know the guy you're talking about, at least.
< 1221260339 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ulrich drepper
< 1221260346 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is cool, i think
< 1221260487 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1221260534 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221260537 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+b on irc is weird
< 1221260540 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you read but not talk
< 1221260541 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you part
< 1221260544 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you can't do either
< 1221260553 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not force a kick, or allow entry?
< 1221260556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still logread...
< 1221260560 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not my point
< 1221260582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kicks and bans being separate makes sense from an implementation point of view
< 1221260582 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of adding function support for drainfuck
< 1221260587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not a user point of view
< 1221260592 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, so why not let you rejoin after a ban
< 1221260594 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still not talk?
< 1221260599 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: +b is +ban
< 1221260599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the actual behaviour you get after setting a ban
< 1221260608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: please read before commenting
< 1221260621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: arguably there should be three things involved: kick, silence, and prevent_join
< 1221260624 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called a kickban
< 1221260630 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: i am not an idiot
< 1221260630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that +b combines two of those
< 1221260631 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, tusho that function already exists
< 1221260634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a nonobvious way
< 1221260636 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM NOT AN IDIOT, CO2Games.
< 1221260640 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already know
< 1221260643 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+q
< 1221260656 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: did you miss the part where i already knew
< 1221260662 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying that +b behaves wrongly
< 1221260681 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B just forces someone to be unable to rejoin
< 1221260689 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh now the muting part is stupid
< 1221260690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games! stop it!
< 1221260696 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know!
< 1221260697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think +b probably has communist sympathies
< 1221260714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is secretly plotting to overthrow irc
< 1221260729 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :communism is awesome!
< 1221260740 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad theres no communist countries
< 1221260743 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1221260748 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/communist/stalinist/
< 1221260758 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1221260771 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :communism is verily unawesome
< 1221260771 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221260780 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :communism is the best
< 1221260784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this +b is not one of those kind, gentle communists you are talking about
< 1221260794 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: unfortunately not
< 1221260799 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is free and everyone is together
< 1221260805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1221260810 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it's the best. Why wouldn't anyone want communism?
< 1221260815 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean seriously
< 1221260820 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is free.
< 1221260825 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: your tone suggests non-seriousness
< 1221260825 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone is happy
< 1221260830 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least a massive misunderstanding of communism
< 1221260841 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, do you know what communism is?
< 1221260852 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: yes, i have a brain
< 1221260855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: where do you think all the free stuff is coming from?
< 1221260861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to work to fulfil the other side of the equation
< 1221260864 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, what is communism
< 1221260867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in practice it's hard to persuade people to work
< 1221260873 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: noooo, communism is where everyone is happy and they dance in the fields!!!!
< 1221260881 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody does anything, they just chill and be happy!
< 1221260898 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People do what they love, and love what they do
< 1221260906 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the bushmen, or the amish
< 1221260907 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loooooooooooooool!!!!!!!
< 1221260922 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately there is no communism
< 1221260925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to go now anyway to catch my bus
< 1221260926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1221260928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"9"
< 1221260944 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, we have dictatorships dubbed communist
< 1221260958 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true communism has no government but the people themselves
< 1221260972 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a government to get people to work
< 1221260980 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: Information: You are showing yourself to be hilariously uninformed.
< 1221260985 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you have a government, you aren't communist
< 1221261000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, communism requires perfectly unselfish people
< 1221261001 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what is communism?
< 1221261006 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly
< 1221261022 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody is perfectly unselfish, communism is based on the flawed principle that there are unselfish people
< 1221261023 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why we have NOTHING that is truely communist, except maybe the amish
< 1221261027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you have only perfect people, every government works.  even nazism ;)
< 1221261028 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore communism is a piece of shit
< 1221261063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: oh i'm sure there are _some_ unselfish people
< 1221261064 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't that previously called facism?
< 1221261073 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascism
< 1221261091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> tusho: arguably there should be three things involved: kick, silence, and prevent_join <-- various ircds support silence in various ways, can't remember freenode syntax
< 1221261101 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh I always wondered what that meant until someone said "its not pronounced face-ism"
< 1221261106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, wek now AnMaster
< 1221261124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, about http://www.update.uu.se/~ams/ <-- huh, and you even reach his .emacs
< 1221261130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bashrc
< 1221261132 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some use +b ~Q, some use +q, etc.
< 1221261134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no .ssh
< 1221261158 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when (featurep 'xemacs)
< 1221261158 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (error "Please don't use Lucid Emacs.  GNU Emacs is much nicer."))
< 1221261160 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lucid Emacs"?
< 1221261162 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
< 1221261181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, that was an early name for xemacs iirc
< 1221261184 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1221261184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not sure
< 1221261186 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from lucid corporatio
< 1221261187 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n
< 1221261188 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is lucid emacs
< 1221261202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: you use windows and notepad, iirc?
< 1221261205 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, what is emacs
< 1221261209 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221261216 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.jwz.org/doc/lemacs.html
< 1221261230 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I use notepad for text
< 1221261326 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyways
< 1221261345 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of implementing a second stack in my interpreter, the callstack
< 1221261410 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some sort of return function
< 1221261420 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And perhaps an interrupt-like system
< 1221261426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly what we need here is a smoke stack
< 1221261445 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot...what is a smoke stack again?
< 1221261525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokestack
< 1221261548 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1221261782 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221261827 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-123-197.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221261830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, thanks for that link
< 1221261832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1221261835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night really now
< 1221262946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The airplane almost crashed when Elliott tried to into the president, so had no qualm with MY daughter. a cat. (a juicy cat.) So my uncle , who was really pretty queer, raped himself. We can dance if we want to, But it didn't make a bit of difference, because I raped him back Suddenly, shit was fucked up and pee was fucked down. Several years later, there was nothing left of the world. Or time for that matter. God decided to pull his beard off to reveal that
< 1221262950 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did that get cut off
< 1221262971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reveal that"
< 1221263003 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : he was really Rick Astley. and he would have gotten away with it too, if it wern't for Rob Zombie is indeed a zombie. Hi!
< 1221263014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, have there been any stories that didn't include sex yet?
< 1221263037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, the first 4 test ones
< 1221263047 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that, this is the internetweb
< 1221263058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, first 5 tests
< 1221263068 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: #6 has no sex
< 1221263081 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#7 has lots of penises but no sex
< 1221263090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#8 has anuses but no sex
< 1221263122 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#11 has no sex
< 1221263136 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#13 has butts but no sex
< 1221263138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end
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< 1221263829 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Today, Niklas raped a bird. The bird then raped a Elliott's butt which proceeded to eat fish. be a rapist. and hump feathers. Suddenly, the website for Later that day, a rapist raped himself. Then a bird, who was a rapist, raped Niklas. It was rapelicious. One day, Niklas was not raped he raped a bird and it was still rapelicious. Speaking of rapelicious, I have heard of a rapist beard. 5+5=10 Rape is fun. Yiff!
< 1221263848 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1221263850 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221263858 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Auuuugur!
< 1221263858 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best story yet
< 1221263862 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What have you done!
< 1221263863 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A RAPIST BEARD
< 1221264059 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<olinux> body { font-size:82%; }
< 1221264059 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<olinux> what percent is best for acheiving 13px?
< 1221264060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe...
< 1221264061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13px!
< 1221264102 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13px isn't a percentage.
< 1221264104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many feet in a kilogram?
< 1221264138 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : Use normalised natural units.
< 1221264144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who tossed all those rape seeds around here?
< 1221264152 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Augur?
< 1221264178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see him in the channel
< 1221264198 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: everybody who helped write that story
< 1221264198 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1221264234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse to use anything but 100% virgin oil, so there!
< 1221264249 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virgin rape oil?
< 1221264252 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my naked body?
< 1221264261 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you need oil to rape a virgin
< 1221264262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's rape, it's not virgin you fool
< 1221264265 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virgin rape oil sounds awesome
< 1221264269 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it's oil to use for rape
< 1221264271 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made out of virgins
< 1221264287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer baby oil for that
< 1221264296 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arousing
< 1221264301 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need superior lubrication when raping a virgin
< 1221264301 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used on babies?
< 1221264312 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially a baby.
< 1221264319 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're tight as hell!
< 1221264319 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221264320 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made of babies
< 1221264321 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.
< 1221264328 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made of babies, for babies!
< 1221264347 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not #hot, ok
< 1221264355 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please direct further hotness to #hot
< 1221264360 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!optbot
< 1221264361 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: *gonna do
< 1221264366 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221264367 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | pbos[-i] ? :S
< 1221264372 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221264373 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | {(Nil)[(iter),]}
< 1221264373 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no one in #hot
< 1221264376 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221264377 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | 1093 chars :/
< 1221264379 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where will I discuss infant rape?
< 1221264382 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1221264385 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, rape
< 1221264386 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: doesn't befunge have a stackie?
< 1221264390 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh
< 1221264393 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds sexy
< 1221264397 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it?
< 1221264455 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come let me show you my big stack
< 1221264472 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pops oerjan's stack
< 1221264515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't push your luck
< 1221264535 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw.
< 1221264559 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want me to bully your automaton around, wink wink?
< 1221264578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric is just 1093 chars
< 1221264598 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't talk much round these parts.
< 1221264614 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, it holds on a floppy disk!
< 1221264631 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho@rutian:~/optbot$ du -h
< 1221264631 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44M     .
< 1221264632 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Or if you took four arguments and wanted to return a bit-array of the first two or-ed together with the second two, you could do something like:
< 1221264633 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44mb of logs
< 1221264634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say it holds on a sumerian clay tablet
< 1221264637 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I'm confusing kB with MB
< 1221264637 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it still holds
< 1221264660 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, you might need a few
< 1221264666 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's a big tablet
< 1221264682 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: you'd need around 44 floppies
< 1221264702 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of floppy dicks
< 1221264714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 i say
< 1221264792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, true
< 1221264822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the answer!
< 1221264831 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: around 31, actually
< 1221264835 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just calculated
< 1221264847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blasphemy!
< 1221265810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ThePaintedMan> i assume you guys see no flaws in any of the official magic plane theory...not even the pentagon, the flight that aws shot down, the fireproof passports surviving the collapse, the teleporting hijackers that are STILL ALIVE, the connections between the bushes and the bin ladens, or who built the buildings or who owned the buildings and got insurance, or how wtc7 was bomb proof, or who did the put options on the airlines...selective memories
< 1221265813 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he never gives up
< 1221265837 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat
< 1221265843 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is that?
< 1221265846 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#defocus
< 1221266288 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So tusho
< 1221266288 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that shit
< 1221266297 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1221266298 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why do people already threatens me with k-lining.
< 1221266344 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, I quoted nicho some #defocus policy to politely inform him that he was wrong on a certain issue, and got "Fuck off and die."
< 1221266356 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His replies thereafter (in response to "Uh? What did I do?") escalated to, and I quote,
< 1221266363 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"JUST GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME, YOU STALKING HALF WIT PRICK!"
< 1221266371 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh IRC, what mental disabilities don't you have?
< 1221266408 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1221266558 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that shit
< 1221266565 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's boring and everyone bitch.
< 1221269269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1221269944 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r01jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221270169 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1221270346 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some brainfuck interpreter that outputs graphics.
< 1221270347 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1221273858 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$your_favorite_brainfuck_interpreter <foo> | pnmtopng > output.png
< 1221275118 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221275283 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221275676 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1221275829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1221277538 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Whynot?
< 1221278809 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221278809 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Since I'm on DVD 36
< 1221280654 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221280655 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | i mean if i did !glass {A}{S}{M[m]}, my interpretor should no longer have them?
< 1221280665 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot !
< 1221280666 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: that was more of a "why the fuck did he scream" question mark
< 1221280675 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221280675 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | except other symbols point to True would still be pointing to True.
< 1221280687 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221280688 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | aaaaah :P
< 1221280706 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh there
< 1221282356 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches software compile across multiple platforms simultaneously >8-D
< 1221282364 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the amazoing power of Qemu.
< 1221291362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves
< 1221292799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1221292800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221298137 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo
< 1221298145 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah crap two massive gaps
< 1221299138 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Never deal in upside-down A?
< 1221302243 0 :oklobol!i=oko@a91-156-21-91.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221303092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning
< 1221303474 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :örn.
< 1221305514 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Jesus loves you"
< 1221306058 0 :oklopol!i=oko@a91-156-21-91.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221306058 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221308432 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.85.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221311296 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221311477 0 :Slereah_!n=x@ANantes-252-1-45-198.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221312236 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221313292 0 :Slereah!n=x@ANantes-252-1-45-198.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221313293 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221314020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1221316010 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1221317420 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how's that cfunge release doing
< 1221318834 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hasn't been voted in by the Cfunge Development Committee yet
< 1221318851 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a critical unoptimized part in the ROMA fingerprint, apparently
< 1221319019 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I'll just use the latest bzr
< 1221319025 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably what the release would be anyway
< 1221319096 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no, the bzr is unsupported by the Cfunge Community
< 1221319098 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way the changelog is full of stuff like "changed x (mycology was wrong)"
< 1221319102 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even by phone support
< 1221319592 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: cfunge gives compile warnings, http://rafb.net/p/z3u0EI65.html
< 1221319617 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can it give me love?
< 1221319650 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it's too quick
< 1221319741 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oh no! removing those warnings will slow it down by 1ms?!
< 1221319746 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will the Committee do?
< 1221319819 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be one millisecond late for lunch >:|
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< 1221320413 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221320738 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | maybe they will add ads in 2006? ;)
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< 1221321623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221322690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, sorry had computer problems today
< 1221322701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one computer emitted a high whining noise
< 1221322713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turned out to be harddrive and not a fan
< 1221322732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, GCC version?
< 1221322739 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the paste...
< 1221322755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hrrm, and CFLAGS?
< 1221322764 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none
< 1221322769 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I know of at least
< 1221322782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones in genx.c are known and harmless
< 1221322787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as not in code I wrote
< 1221322806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other ones seem to be saying that that gcc version does not support inlining some stuff
< 1221322809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so also harmless
< 1221322825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for "cannot optimise possibly infinite loops" it is again GCC saying it can't do something, but harmless
< 1221322841 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realize it's harmless, I just figured you might want to know about them
< 1221322893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well gcc 4.1.2 and gcc 4.3.2 don't give those. 4.1.2 doesn't know about the missing inline type, and in 4.3.x it isn't missing any more
< 1221322918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for infinite loop, 4.3.x doesn't mention that, so I guess detection algorithm may have changed
< 1221322942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, however now that I found the broken part in that computer I plan to make a release
< 1221322982 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it identical to the latest Bzr barring the version number?
< 1221322989 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food ->
< 1221323042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes it is
< 1221323049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and a comment too
< 1221323052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1221323083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :identical to r412 (anmaster AT envbot.org-20080913152316-yrabw4idfpkq0m7g)
< 1221323110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, 412 fixed FING to new spec iirc
< 1221323182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :release will be 0.3.2
< 1221323352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently test building in various configurations
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< 1221324023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :released
< 1221324383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ^
< 1221325557 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1221329416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes tusho 
< 1221331306 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221332313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how does the updating go?
< 1221332340 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a bug in my build tool and have been fixing that for the past two hours or so
< 1221332367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ouch, your page generator build tool or?
< 1221332399 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically all that's left in the update is to see that the table is generated correctly, write some stuff about new (and some old) interpreters and a changelog
< 1221332406 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, my generic make-replacement
< 1221332469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, really?
< 1221332476 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, really :-P
< 1221332486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it wasn't sarcasm?
< 1221332492 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it wasn't
< 1221332512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case: 1) what is it called 2) link?
< 1221332522 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not released
< 1221332553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how is it better than make?
< 1221332648 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly, it's portable (there are 100 different make formats and many rely on Posix-only shell features and such) and more powerful (or at least, more power for a given amount of complexity)
< 1221332680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why not release it
< 1221332704 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should take a weekend off at some point to polish it up a bit to a usable state and then release it
< 1221332717 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :documentation is somewhat sparse and it has bugs like the one I just found :-P
< 1221332727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good not-morning.
< 1221332734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example of syntax?
< 1221332744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, good early evening
< 1221332745 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Haskell library
< 1221332796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, does it work for any language or does it have dependency extracting support for a few languages
< 1221332812 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like make, no language-specific support
< 1221332824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1221332913 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to look I can give you the file I use for building my homepage
< 1221332920 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since it's Haskell you might not want to :-P
< 1221332944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so the syntax of these make files are haskellish?
< 1221332957 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "haskellish", they are Haskell code.
< 1221332967 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iki.fi/deewiant/Adjutant.hs
< 1221332969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1221332981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adjutant?
< 1221333007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea if that means the same in Finnish as in Swedish
< 1221333008 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a bit of a pun on the tool's name which is Coadjute :-)
< 1221333015 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's english
< 1221333019 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably means the same in swedish
< 1221333031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coadjute?
< 1221333037 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it fits in 8.3 which is why I chose it :-P
< 1221333046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about 8.3 these days?
< 1221333054 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to
< 1221333058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1221333072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's early afternoon here, but anyways...
< 1221333083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good indeterminate time of the day to you, as well.
< 1221333100 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And I invented doors, no joke!"
< 1221333168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221335015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, tell me when it is updated
< 1221335023 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan to
< 1221335060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope it happens before 23:00 CEST
< 1221335073 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one can always hope
< 1221335137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the link to the task at http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/misc-projects.html is dead
< 1221335179 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, they don't keep old exercises :-/
< 1221335642 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/Adjutant.hs <- I am pretty sure this would be one page of code with scons
< 1221335669 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it was well over 3
< 1221335673 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was my main motivation for it
< 1221335706 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, it took waaay too long to run until I found an obscure hack to prevent SCons from scanning the path for executables every time it's run
< 1221335938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it scans them for executables without caching?
< 1221335945 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently
< 1221335953 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, doing it even once annoyed me a lot
< 1221335954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck even cmake caches
< 1221335957 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't need any of them
< 1221335962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it did build a database
< 1221335968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh a database? why?
< 1221335974 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much bigger than Coadjute's (which isn't even compressed)
< 1221335986 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for MD5/other hashes, I think
< 1221335987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :database of the binaries?
< 1221335990 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was binary
< 1221335993 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't know
< 1221335995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221336000 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coadjute's is plaintext and much smaller
< 1221336015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it need a database?
< 1221336019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make doesn't use any database
< 1221336023 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the MD5 hashes
< 1221336025 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make uses timestamps
< 1221336029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and?
< 1221336032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO that is sane
< 1221336042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time stamps change when you edit files
< 1221336051 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also change when you don't make changes
< 1221336062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like?
< 1221336069 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "touch foo"
< 1221336087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but why would you go around touching files in your build tree?
< 1221336088 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a realistic scenario: you make a change, save, undo it, save again
< 1221336094 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see above
< 1221336128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure, but that will rebuild one file + linking
< 1221336136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is an header, agreed
< 1221336140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't happen often
< 1221336151 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can happen that the build time is really long
< 1221336158 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in big projects, I hear the linking time is the main overhead
< 1221336160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I normally use revert in such cases
< 1221336167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does revert time stamp
< 1221336179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in hg/svn/bzr/whatever revert
< 1221336181 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :others might not
< 1221336183 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't, for instance
< 1221336200 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that might go too far back
< 1221336218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how many revisions are there in the ccbi 1 repo?
< 1221336228 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than 100 I think
< 1221336235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you don't commit often then or?
< 1221336238 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, tip is 94
< 1221336251 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I tend to make too big commits :-/
< 1221336255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you implement *more* fingerprints, more complex ones, minifunge and so on
< 1221336259 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, it only starts from 1.0.4
< 1221336266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge: 414 is HEAD
< 1221336267 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when minifunge + most fingerprints were already done
< 1221336286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is probably more, since I used feature branches for some things
< 1221336297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they get merged into a "merge" commit in mainline
< 1221336364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I tend to make commits after implementing one fingerprint, or one bug fixed
< 1221336366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1221336400 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as do I
< 1221336419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why didn't you use VCS when you began?
< 1221336444 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably didn't know much about them, or just felt it wasn't necessary
< 1221336446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :revision 1 in cfunge wasn't even anything more than a main file and a build system
< 1221336468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around revision 6 I think it could run befunge93
< 1221336471 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my revision 1 is usually something that does what is intended
< 1221336480 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for CCBI it would have been full befunge-98 conformance
< 1221336483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, it could *load files* at revision 6
< 1221336550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by revision 13 it could run factorial.b93 from catseye
< 1221336560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 I implemented [ and ] from 98
< 1221336608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 30 it got to end of 98 part of mycology according to log message, though with some bad
< 1221336643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 34 or so I had a infinite funge space using a hash library instead of simply a large fixed one
< 1221336694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 was NULL I see
< 1221336775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw, do you have any clue what a file ending in .wps is?
< 1221336789 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS works
< 1221336795 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely
< 1221336795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1221336805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking word perfect possibly
< 1221336905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to find out how to open it, seems like openoffice doesn't like it very much
< 1221336939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh wait
< 1221336961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I found "WPS 2000/Office 1.0 (*.wps)" in the open dialog filter box in oowriter
< 1221336962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm
< 1221336966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :office 1.0?
< 1221336985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet that doesn't manage to open this file
< 1221336990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just garbage
< 1221337012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, file(1) thinks it is "data")
< 1221337039 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect converters exist
< 1221337573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file(1) isn't exactly *accurate*; after all, it's just doing a bunch of heuristics on the file to guess what type it is.
< 1221337780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed, but "data" means "didn't find anything relevant"
< 1221337787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it means nothing matched
< 1221337796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of the time file is useful
< 1221338557 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221339885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does scheme differ from lisp? Or is it just a dialect of lisp?
< 1221339970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dialect, sure, but also different
< 1221339994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no distinction betwen variables and functions
< 1221340021 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proper lexical scoping, which the first lisps didn't have
< 1221340027 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1221340030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's minimalistic
< 1221340050 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or used to be at any rate
< 1221340088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hygienic" macros which take automatic care of naming conflicts
< 1221340185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what comes to mind on the spot
< 1221340241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :common lisp afaik is all the opposite except that i think it also has lexical scoping nowadays
< 1221340296 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possibly optional, there's some function vs. lambda stuff in that iirc)
< 1221340342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and emacs lisp still has dynamic scoping i think, i know little else about it
< 1221340393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically scheme is the prettiest and most logical dialect
< 1221340507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221340517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i forgot continuations which scheme has
< 1221340539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuations, I never really understood the concept
< 1221340654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really understood why it's difficult, which probably means i cannot explain it
< 1221340696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try once
< 1221340753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1221340772 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you are evaluating an sub-expression in a program, there must be some notion of what the program does when it's finished evaluating
< 1221340844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme allows you to take that notion and use it explicitly as a continuation
< 1221340903 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you call the continuation function of an expression with some value, the effect is like having that expression finish evaluating with that value as its result
< 1221340946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when done from inside the expression, that becomes like an escape function, similar to return or break in C
< 1221341092 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the really weird case is when done from outside the expression, after it has already returned.  you can do this in scheme because a continuation can be saved away in a variable like any other value
< 1221341124 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the effect of that is somewhat like rewinding the program and returning _again_, with the new value
< 1221341259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end.
< 1221341317 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1221341343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221341352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(was afk, due to phone call)
< 1221341357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were some ambiguities in that.  when i say "finished" or "return" i mean the sub-expression
< 1221341371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the whole program
< 1221341451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically scheme doesn't allow you to do a normal return from a function? it kind of calls the original code with a new variable bound?
< 1221341465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what you are saying
< 1221341475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no
< 1221341484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<oerjan> when you call the continuation function of an expression with some value, the effect is like having that expression finish evaluating with that value as its result"
< 1221341490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<oerjan> when done from inside the expression, that becomes like an escape function, similar to return or break in C"
< 1221341502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't use any continuation functions explicitly, things return normally
< 1221341510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for outside it is like longjmp?
< 1221341520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta
< 1221341536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you can't longjmp into a function you already returned from
< 1221341539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it can be implemented with longjmp
< 1221341546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1221341546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1221341566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well it is the classical C answer on tricky question:
< 1221341570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined behaviour
< 1221341590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221341798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, does scheme have any undefined behaviour?
< 1221341800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all
< 1221341820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think functional languages suffer from that the way imperative ones do
< 1221341824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i think so
< 1221341831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really? details
< 1221341832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1221341897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least things you are not supposed to do if you want to be sure that the program runs
< 1221341939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221341956 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that comes to mind:  scheme has no reserved words so you can redefine any name.  also things are mutually recursive and don't have to be defined before being referred to
< 1221342046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall that it said somewhere you shouldn't expect consistent behavior if you redefine the names using themselves
< 1221342066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like using (define (define ...) ...) anywhere
< 1221342126 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-146-79-242.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221342182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you i haven't really looked at scheme for years
< 1221342209 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine parenthesises up your ass, forever.
< 1221342339 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | you can run all those elsolangs locally
< 1221342344 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221342355 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221342405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, I disagree with that topic, you can't run all locally, IRP won't work locally
< 1221342406 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and omits the Scabb Island theme
< 1221342436 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1221342496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: i am pretty sure you could run IRP with a Scabb Island theme
< 1221342497 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can I use/paraphrase/steal your suggested rules (with due credit)
< 1221342504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1221342532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you forgot to mention optbot in that, so it won't reply :/
< 1221342533 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well windows need some kernel mode device drivers, IDE controller, or keyboard for example
< 1221342544 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not forget
< 1221342562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, don't all OS need some kernel level drivers for such things?
< 1221342562 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: on my comp, but it's partly outdated and too long for me to quickly fix it now
< 1221342568 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i merely felt the topic had been exhausted
< 1221342595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, that made no sense
< 1221342596 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: !bf
< 1221342610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, what bot is that command for?
< 1221342611 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But you have to have a route to one person in the chat room.
< 1221342615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++.
< 1221342625 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one who isn't here
< 1221342626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, none currently in here I think
< 1221342632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++.
< 1221342633 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1221342637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would wortk though
< 1221342644 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
< 1221342648 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO SOMETHING
< 1221342653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot uses ^ not !
< 1221342653 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well it's not bad. although i guess that one
< 1221342653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1221342661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what one?
< 1221342661 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's probably an easier way
< 1221342667 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, destroy him!
< 1221342668 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: what language are you using?
< 1221342669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure there always is fungot
< 1221342670 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: get a newer version of it? in firefox it just works
< 1221342695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what is this "it"/"that" you keep referring to
< 1221342696 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: whatever i have to
< 1221342718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, that almost sounds like a threat, not sure why
< 1221342733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it decided to stop answering....
< 1221342739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, fungot
< 1221342739 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: When did I tell you I wasn't a woman?
< 1221342746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm
< 1221342758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hm...
< 1221342784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you killed fungot!  you bastards!
< 1221342785 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why do you call it with
< 1221342794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the
< 1221342813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it is a optbot fungot cycle protection thingy
< 1221342813 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that is because otherwise i can't keep track of
< 1221342814 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: meow
< 1221342828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stops talking to the same person after a number of lines
< 1221342883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1221342996 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just do this
< 1221343000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo optbot
< 1221343001 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot optbot
< 1221343001 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: hm
< 1221343001 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: our @ISA to avoid the strictness check
< 1221343002 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: yeah could be a reference to that of the page
< 1221343003 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: there were 3 streams, square, saw and sine, which one you use depending on the value in current cell when calling ','
< 1221343004 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: maybe there's an fnord persistent operating system being written in binary
< 1221343005 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: 42!
< 1221343005 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: possibly specific schemes could have this thing called guaifenesin, it's a weird error
< 1221343006 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so it isn't even consistent!
< 1221343008 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: hiya evoli! don't fall into the middle
< 1221343009 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I remember hunting typedefs in large globs of C codes and shuddering.
< 1221343057 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> optbot: i am pretty sure you could run IRP with a Scabb Island theme
< 1221343058 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Or you can use biscuit trucks.
< 1221343061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scabb island is a place in monkey island
< 1221343062 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1221343066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monkey island 2
< 1221343074 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i googled
< 1221344442 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6+
< 1221344503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR - Syntax error in expression (unexpected end of input)
< 1221344881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not really
< 1221344884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 0 6 +
< 1221344900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a pop from empty stack in befunge pops 0
< 1221344909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my haskell interpreter disagrees
< 1221344913 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you didn't check your e-mail yet: Mycology comparison is up
< 1221344915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it isn't haskell
< 1221344923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, thanks, going to bed now
< 1221344925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1221344925 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that, I'm off to bed
< 1221344931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one said it was befunge either
< 1221344932 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/
< 1221344946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, wait!
< 1221344966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, cfunge isn't mentioned in the list of interpreters under "Interpreters tested"?
< 1221344972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it is
< 1221344974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see it now
< 1221344976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1221344995 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands AnMaster a white cane
< 1221345021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "few BADs it currently gets" <-- ?? I tested with version as of yesterday no BAD
< 1221345078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/mycology-output/fp-time/cfunge.txt <-- where is the BAD there, it is listed as 1 bad, -4 UNDEF... something is clearly wrong...
< 1221345089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is 1 good, and 4 undef
< 1221345096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, correct that bug please
< 1221345106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame your build scripts
< 1221345119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, as for indv, that is what the specs *says*
< 1221345140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, or rather it was undefined I think when I implemented it
< 1221345149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no reason to change it, since both are valid
< 1221345248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, as for: http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/mycology-output/input_fp-strn/cfunge.txt, unable to reproduce
< 1221345344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loaded STRN: testing I. Please input: to be or not to be
< 1221345345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDEF: got "to be or not to be"
< 1221345346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, wtf
< 1221345351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the heck does it reflect
< 1221345512 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221345822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sent off a mail to Deewiant now
< 1221345824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1221345904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and really bad style not releasing those updates to mycology before...
< 1221345910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really pisses me off
< 1221346036 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost the game
< 1221346042 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ooh, now you're AANGRY
< 1221346047 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should be careful
< 1221346050 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might turn into the incredible hulk
< 1221346097 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The incredible sulk, was somewhere.
< 1221346125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 hours of moving stuff, phew. Not fun at all. I think I'll just stay here for the next several years.
< 1221346135 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221347710 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1221347906 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you think of your new home?
< 1221347907 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i never needed it. i've brainwashed everyone else on scheme that uses bytecode?
< 1221347934 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Wait, what?
< 1221347935 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for one, i have let-opt.scm, fnord, fnord
< 1221348355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i hope you have enough straightjackets
< 1221348628 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll temporarily shut down the box fungot's running on. Maybe I'll migrate it to the virtual server at some point or something. We've got our beds in the living room (because the bedroom is full of stuff to be sorted), and ever since I added two more hard drives it's been making this weird resonating hum that is amplitude-modulated at ~0.5 Hz frequency.
< 1221348628 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we want...information!
< 1221348650 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You are not a collective, and really, it's just like sleeping for a bit to you. I think.
< 1221348651 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i see it. i wrote some horribly lame stories in wp a decade or so)
< 1221348677 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"To sleep, perchance to dream."
< 1221348692 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you killed fungot!  you bastard!
< 1221348730 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :(
< 1221348735 0 :Corun!n=Corun@88-108-230-31.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221348750 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fishiiiies
< 1221348786 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'll put fungot on rutian!
< 1221348806 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221348823 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just in a suspended animation for a moment, but if you want to run a copy, go right ahead. I'll start that on momus.zem.fi later. I just need them sleeps, and the box it was running on is less than a metre away from the head-side of the bed.
< 1221348842 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wut are the links again
< 1221348870 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum, I'm not sure I have the most current version anywhere.
< 1221348897 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98, fungot-load-freenode.b98, but the nonsense generator stuff was messier.
< 1221348922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1221348922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221348923 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that link seems to not work.
< 1221348970 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, I had added .txt to those filenames for easier plain-text viewing.
< 1221348995 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1221349581 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221352073 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
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< 1221353705 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1221353930 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221355831 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And I invented doors, no joke!"
< 1221356069 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"- nbs-irc 2.37 - www.nbs-irc.net -"
< 1221356084 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-46-249.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221358834 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221363939 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | at least, one file visible to the compilation
< 1221366536 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221368922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1221369893 0 :CO2Games!n=CO2Games@75-173-245-211.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1221379199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1221380585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, there?
< 1221381154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, as soon as you wake up, please check your mail
< 1221381862 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-91-43.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221385545 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | When (if) I get my Ph.D, I'll change my nickname to DrGregor :P
< 1221386954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, was it you who said that thing in topic now?
< 1221387603 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: morning
< 1221387668 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) that's your problem. if all other interpreters as well as the latest standard say that you should do X and you still want to do Y, that's fine, but now that instruction is useless.
< 1221387688 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) the BAD comes from what's at the bottom of the file: F is off by one.
< 1221387714 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) echo "10xyzhhTesting, testing." | cfunge mycouser.b98
< 1221387736 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, that last may be incorrect
< 1221387753 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) echo "10xyz19-hhTesting, testing." | cfunge mycouser.b98
< 1221387830 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for updating Mycology, what do you want me to do? Almost every time I tested a new interpreter I ran into a bug in Mycology. It would have taken me until christmas to update the comparison if I had started now and released iteratively.
< 1221387846 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case I think that you definitely should say "mycology 2008-xx-yy" conforming
< 1221387869 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that is of course the case, you don't know what's up in the latest versions and the older versions are probably incorrect in some way.
< 1221387923 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cfunge is under "Interpreters tested", you must have missed it
< 1221388589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it doesn't say if it is 0 or 1 based in the specs for TIME
< 1221388643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as you know I'm against changing a fingerprint unless it is very new
< 1221388648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why I accepted the FING change
< 1221388651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it was so new
< 1221388680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so indv basically stors the vector vertically now instead of horizontally?
< 1221388709 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221388733 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that when W pushes it pushes x then y, and when V pops it pops y then x
< 1221388738 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally, V popped x then y
< 1221388743 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which meant that the vector was flipped
< 1221388757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so is the F in TIME 1 or 0 indexed?
< 1221388777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specs doesn't say
< 1221388777 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the docs say "Day since First of year"
< 1221388782 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is of course 0 for the first day of the yeas
< 1221388785 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s/r/
< 1221388791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok hm
< 1221388795 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s:s/:s$/:
< 1221388872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, STRN does indeed not use the buffer the rest of the interpreter use
< 1221388876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd say that is undefined
< 1221388891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it reflected due to EOF
< 1221388942 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say it most certainly is not undefined
< 1221388950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, then where is it defined?
< 1221388961 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use fgets() followed by fgetc() would you expect that they read from different places?
< 1221388970 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's common sense
< 1221389219 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Common sense", isn't that like a swearword around here?
< 1221389243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed
< 1221389494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, STRN and TIME are fixed. In INDV I argue it is an UNDEF
< 1221389520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while I agree the other order would be more logical, this is still an undef
< 1221389524 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argue all you want, it's a one-line change and doing it wrong is just belligerency
< 1221389534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you know that once a RFC is published it is never changed?
< 1221389548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the same reasons fingerprints should never be changed
< 1221389553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly the same reason
< 1221389587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so you suggest RFCs should be updated randomly?
< 1221389588 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that 10000 other things are just as UNDEF? the only reason that one was made separate is because I wasn't 100% sure whether it was intentional or not
< 1221389590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that right?
< 1221389599 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said anything about RFCs?
< 1221389616 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that the original Mycology called it an UNDEF was a BUG
< 1221389628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, both RFCs and fingerprint specs are immutable once published
< 1221389639 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where does it say that
< 1221389646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an UNDEF if ever I've seen one :-P
< 1221389657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, common sense
< 1221389666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221389679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because once you change stuff, retconn them, stuff are going to get messy
< 1221389680 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we don't have versioning I think it makes very much sense to correct obvious mistakes
< 1221389709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, since we don't have versioning I think it makes sense to have immutable fingerprints, possible with a separate errata
< 1221389765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh and I found a new befunge98 for you to test on GreaseMonkey's website
< 1221389766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://greasemonkey.nonlogic.org/befunge98-r002.zip
< 1221389776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very much suspect it is early early alpha
< 1221389788 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much abandoned
< 1221389793 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if there's a mistake which implies that the whole fingerprint is useless (like FNGR) you suggest it should remain like that forever, taking up one slice of the fingerprint space for no good at all?
< 1221389852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes, I agree there are downsides to that, but the other ones are worse
< 1221389853 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221389856 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :// x - Absolute Delta (wtf?!)
< 1221389865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1221389870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the source of that
< 1221389875 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not worth my time, sorry :-P
< 1221389903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well
< 1221389925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but if you agree it is an UNDEF then I'm happy to change it
< 1221389939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fight for the rights of the UNDEF!
< 1221389959 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I maintain that since practically all Funge programmers are taking part in this very discussion, changing fingerprints is fine as long as they're notified
< 1221389975 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it's not UNDEF.
< 1221389987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well then I suggest notifying at least a week before you update mycology
< 1221390011 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like said, in this case that would have meant that the update you wanted so much would have taken months.
< 1221390038 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to do it and so I did. If you want to make a quick release fixing the bugs and you care about it so much I can have cfunge-0.3.3 there pretty quickly.
< 1221390096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, doesn't W suffer the same problem as V in INDV then?
< 1221390106 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't
< 1221390113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	FungeSpaceSet(b.y, &a);
< 1221390113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	FungeSpaceSet(b.x, VectorCreateRef(a.x+1, a.y));
< 1221390115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my W
< 1221390125 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the relevant part
< 1221390133 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the relevant part is where you pop stuff from the stack
< 1221390133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = GetSecondVector(ip);
< 1221390136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1221390164 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case the INDV tests need to be somewhat rewritten for the new storage offset stuff
< 1221390213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the "bugs" are fixed in current cfunge bzr head, but I make at most one release / week, not "another day another release", there are limits to the "release early, release often"
< 1221390225 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1221390232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "another hour, another release" next?
< 1221390250 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not, what does it matter?
< 1221390323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that freshmeat have a policy against that, and I make release announcements, same about sf.net, iirc they got some policy too
< 1221390402 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks to have to work with others doesn't it :-P
< 1221390419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm?
< 1221390470 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's part of the reason I prefer to host everything myself
< 1221390478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway I concentrate development on efunge currently, though I have some plans for cfunge too
< 1221390484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly rewritten TURT
< 1221390498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for both I currently have limited time
< 1221390517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and efunge is still 93
< 1221390585 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Jesus loves you"
< 1221390591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why are you using -W for cfunge?
< 1221390610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reporting unknown instructions *is* against the specs really
< 1221390631 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you request it
< 1221390638 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food ->
< 1221390658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, another issue, with that last rcfunge, the reported "vanity" output, can't it be disabled?
< 1221390681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/mycology-output/fp-file/rcfunge-mark-2.txt <-- a binary file?
< 1221390873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, other odd thing, the rcfunge output for PERL is correct in the one it crash on TURT but incorrect in the case where TURT support is not compiled?
< 1221390930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also it doesn't say environment variables have to be in order anywhere, so why is that mentioned at the end of http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/mycology-output/y/rcfunge-mark-2.txt
< 1221391102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/mycology-output/input/rcfunge-mark-2.txt is a 404
< 1221391715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if efunge becomes a befunge98 interpreter, will you test it? since it will need special knowledge really
< 1221391739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that I mean weird build system (emakefile, not makefile)
< 1221391741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1221391860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I can get it to work, sure
< 1221391926 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, if only Windows had soft links
< 1221391982 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :404s taken care of
< 1221392004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and windows does, *.lnk thougj
< 1221392007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though*
< 1221392014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's just bullshit :-P
< 1221392015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no, not really, just poking fun at windows)
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< 1221392055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please input a character: UNDEF: got -116 'ÂŒ' which is hopefully correct. <-- that in rcfunge looks like memory corruption to me
< 1221392077 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think it clears the input buffer and then reads out of uninitialized memory, just a guess though
< 1221392114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does any test in mycology depend on a finite cell size?
< 1221392128 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't
< 1221392133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since efunge doesn't have that, it use bignums all the way through
< 1221392184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh and I do know my STRN got an issue which you didn't detect. STRN's I mess up on UTF8 for some unknown reason, it cuts off after the first  non-ascii char
< 1221392203 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed the Rc/Funge consistency stuff
< 1221392228 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can't detect everything.
< 1221392228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm?
< 1221392235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the issue is with getline() rather than STRN...
< 1221392237 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 2008-09-14 13:14:33 ( AnMaster) Deewiant, other odd thing, the rcfunge output for PERL is correct in the one it crash on TURT but incorrect in the case where TURT support is not compiled?
< 1221392244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1221392247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what caused that?
< 1221392270 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the files I generated stuff from said "rcfunge-mark-2:" instead of "rcfunge:\nrcfunge-mark-2:"
< 1221392274 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a manual messup of mine
< 1221392279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221392297 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why it takes so long to update: so much has to be done by hand and it's fairly error prone :-/
< 1221392313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, err why does REFC say N/A for cfunge?
< 1221392323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is plain wrong
< 1221392339 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo
< 1221392353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it auto generated?
< 1221392378 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NA has to be written by hand of course
< 1221392382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, a good way to check how much mycology actually tests would be coverage analysis
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< 1221392390 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know
< 1221392393 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? :-P
< 1221392404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in efunge the various mycology programs test all the b93 parts except two lines
< 1221392416 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed that NA
< 1221392416 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221392420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are swap on stack with one item, and dup on stack with one item
< 1221392421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1221392436 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for binary files: can't be helped that they contain binary in the output, that's what the interpreter outputs
< 1221392453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what mime type do you send them as?
< 1221392464 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue and I can't do anything about it, not my server
< 1221392473 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably autodetects them
< 1221392533 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hmm, can that be done in .htaccess?
< 1221392602 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I can do something about it after all
< 1221392763 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221392827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no clue
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< 1221392830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use lighttpd
< 1221392831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not apache
< 1221393073 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe firefox still wants to "save as" regardless
< 1221393105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly
< 1221393136 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, whatever
< 1221393198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for new build system, using two types of make
< 1221393205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERL = erl -boot start_clean
< 1221393205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all:
< 1221393205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	$(ERL) -noshell -eval "make:all(), init:stop()."
< 1221393205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clean:
< 1221393205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	rm -rf *.beam *~ erl_crash.dump
< 1221393210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my entire Makefile
< 1221393220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then my Emakefile is:
< 1221393221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :['src/*'].
< 1221393222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{'*',[warn_obsolete_guard,warn_untyped_record,warn_unused_import,warn_missing_spec]}.
< 1221393228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely simple build system
< 1221393258 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not portable to windows because of "rm" :-)
< 1221393280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I could put that in a variable
< 1221393293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could built it still
< 1221393301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just run make:all().
< 1221393302 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the user would have to edit the makefile to get it to build
< 1221393304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an erlang shell
< 1221393308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not really
< 1221393317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could set the environment variables
< 1221393325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to override makefile ones
< 1221393339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERL = erl -boot start_clean
< 1221393340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RM = rm -rf
< 1221393342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that?
< 1221393362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I don't think the makefile will work out of box on windows anyway
< 1221393367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since windows has werl
< 1221393370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is gui stuff
< 1221393407 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case you have to mess with stuff
< 1221393413 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying you should have to change it
< 1221393418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, agreed, but that can't be avoided
< 1221393428 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just part of my motivation for Coadjute
< 1221393438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well it means I would need to install haskell wouldn't it?
< 1221393439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221393455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERL_COMPILER_OPTIONS='[inline,native,{hipe,[o3]}]' make clean all
< 1221393460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the speedy build
< 1221393463 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1221393466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that really helps for life.b93
< 1221393488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know that will look cryptic to a non-erlang programmer
< 1221393495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a list of atoms and tuples
< 1221393511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tupels? tuples?
< 1221393546 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuples
< 1221393574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1221393754 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221393891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, efunge won't have an option to print warnings for unknown instructions btw
< 1221393899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why you would want that anyway
< 1221393916 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can be handy for debugging
< 1221393922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I mean for mycology
< 1221393960 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like stats: might as well make them as verbose as possible (without obscuring the befunge output)
< 1221393981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, compile time option then
< 1221393994 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care whether you include it or not
< 1221394017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, is any interpreter on the mycology page using bignums+
< 1221394020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/+/?/
< 1221394021 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
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< 1221395016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh needs to track edges now
< 1221395019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders 
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< 1221399215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Efunge98 is progressing nicely
< 1221399224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will take a few weeks due to time constrains currently
< 1221400212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]abcdef; of 98 are implemented so far
< 1221400220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm k
< 1221400221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh
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< 1221400457 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221400556 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And I invented doors, no joke!"
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< 1221401198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in efunge: BAD: 0k^ executes ^ at ^
< 1221401199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221401204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf was that one now again?
< 1221401633 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't 0k^ supposed to execute ^ 0 times (that is, skip it).
< 1221401648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1221401651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while 1 and such would not step over
< 1221401658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in effect 1 iteration would execute it twice
< 1221401673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah GOOD all the way to w now
< 1221401705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw if you wonder, this is not for cfunge, but another funge interpreter in another language)
< 1221401755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we can and do read previous messages
< 1221401761 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have mentioned efunge like 5 times. we are not blind.
< 1221401765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to point it out.
< 1221401814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, but I assume you will prefer efunge over cfunge?
< 1221401828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'll prefer ccbi or rc/funge, probably.
< 1221401838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, but that wasn't the question
< 1221401846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway cfunge is more conforming that rc/funge
< 1221401848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even now
< 1221401859 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not looked at efunge.
< 1221401862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/mycology-comparison.html <-- yes cfunge get a few bad, all fixed today
< 1221401879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, efunge is not fully 98 yet, the version that is uploaded is 93 onlty
< 1221401883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only*
< 1221401905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think this code is very nice:
< 1221401907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterate(0, _Instr, IP, Stack, _Space) ->
< 1221401907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	{IP, Stack};
< 1221401907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterate(Count, Instr, IP, Stack, Space) ->
< 1221401907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	{IP2, Stack2} = processInstruction(Instr, IP, Stack, Space),
< 1221401907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	iterate(Count-1, Instr, IP2, Stack2, Space).
< 1221401921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For things I would use, my ranking goes for non-vaporware stuff: RC/Funge, CCBI1, [huge gaping chasm], cfunge.
< 1221401924 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know where efunge is there.
< 1221401935 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RC/Funge is above CCBI1 because it'll be more useful for socket apps etc
< 1221401936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, efunge is indeed not finished yet
< 1221401938 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on fizzie's experience
< 1221401945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is partly implemented
< 1221401951 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideal situation, my ranking would be CCBI2, RC/Funge, CCBI1, [huge gaping chasm], cfunge.
< 1221401955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets all the way to w
< 1221401985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rc/funge is *less* conforming than ccbi: http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/mycology-comparison.html
< 1221401998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and than cfunge
< 1221402003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, can't see why you hate cfunge
< 1221402015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want unreadable source code you go for rc/funge
< 1221402018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way less readable
< 1221402018 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't give a flying fuck about conforming, RC/Funge is the most useful for real apps due to its array of fingerprints.
< 1221402041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, cfunge implements most of the fingerprints that ccbi1 does: http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/mycology-comparison.html
< 1221402055 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And RC/Funge still comes out on top.
< 1221402072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, with a lot of useless and badly defined fingerprints
< 1221402074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed sure
< 1221402083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a lot of useful and well-defined ones, too.
< 1221402093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot runs on Rc/Funge and does it very well too.
< 1221402097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ccbi and/or cfunge implements
< 1221402105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it runs on cfunge too
< 1221402109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ccbi iirc
< 1221402120 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but cfunge is a retarded piece of crap, and you already know that that's my opinion
< 1221402128 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have known that is my opinion for months
< 1221402129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I don't see *why* you think so
< 1221402137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then you haven't been listening very well
< 1221402143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, just peeked at the rc/funge code, perfectly readable
< 1221402153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it is fast, I fixed my funge-space hash to have good performance
< 1221402169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, not when I last looked, which was last week I looked at some fingerprint code
< 1221402182 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably because you aren't very good at reading C.
< 1221402190 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's regular, sane code.
< 1221402225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I am, but I prefer well structured code with one indention style, K&R coding style or some slight variant of that
< 1221402240 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is well structured.
< 1221402253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, but you still haven't said why you hate cfunge
< 1221402260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the hash library have been fixed
< 1221402266 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have, over the course of many months, in great detail.
< 1221402277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, "because I didn't fix hash library" yes
< 1221402279 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not condensing all of those lines into one because it would be far too much of a lossy conversion.
< 1221402281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that has been done
< 1221402282 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho has already explained everything, there
< 1221402283 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Where the fuck did you get that idea?
< 1221402286 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s no use asking him anything
< 1221402291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, from you
< 1221402295 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have mentioned the hash library like ONCE
< 1221402296 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this goes for everything.)
< 1221402298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you complained about that
< 1221402314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot
< 1221402317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not once
< 1221402325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 50 times
< 1221402327 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i didn't, you're hallucinating
< 1221402331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are
< 1221402341 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what i've said, thanks
< 1221402354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so you hate that I'm POSIX only too? well so is rc/funge
< 1221402368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even requires X
< 1221402370 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't, now if you actually want to know what I said, grep tusho and cfunge in the logs.
< 1221402371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike cfunge
< 1221402374 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm quite busy
< 1221402377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same
< 1221403004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://rafb.net/p/DdE9wq23.html <-- hm, I'm not sure, and yes j isn't yet implemented, but that is an interesting way to fail
< 1221403438 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221403644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I still get that error with all GOOD before
< 1221403645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1221403665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/FLYm0g77.html
< 1221403669 0 :funktio!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1221403670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any clue what could be happening?
< 1221405577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it was broken flying wrapping
< 1221405599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, idea: report broken non-cardinal wrapping better
< 1221405704 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken non-cardinal wrapping
< 1221405712 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like something out of star trek
< 1221406001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh
< 1221406025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it actually means that funge-space wrapping is broken when ip doesn't move as in Befunge-93
< 1221406035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is anything byt ^v<>
< 1221406039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but*
< 1221406238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, Now wrapping (at warp 9) in efunge works with a non-cardinal delta index in the warp core plasma.
< 1221406244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs
< 1221406252 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: eject into HYPERSPACE!!
< 1221406277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey hyperspace is star wars not star trek!
< 1221406305 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyperspace is in any and all works of hacks to explain FTL
< 1221406318 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like ASIMOV
< 1221406344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, Star Trek got wrap instead
< 1221406355 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is a SECRET facet of the TIME CUIBE
< 1221406362 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warp is the EDUCATED LIE they tell you
< 1221406363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1221406366 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to hide TRUE HYPERSPACE
< 1221406369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1221406384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes it fill the function
< 1221406399 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warp space is the same
< 1221406405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allow travel between planets without changing crew all the time
< 1221406412 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just "Let's give the work to another universe"
< 1221406426 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the outsourcing of labor.
< 1221406457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, wrap in Star Trek works by <technobable>Using negative energy to compress the space-time itself, thus shortening the path you have to travel, in effect the ship travels at sub-FTL speeds</techobable>
< 1221406485 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank god the trekkie heard about the Alqubier propulsion to justify it!
< 1221406498 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it doesn't actually work, but it sounds moar scientific
< 1221406503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1221406521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it worked it would still need a LOT more energy than can ever be contained in a ship
< 1221406534 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Alqubierre propulsion is silly
< 1221406541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the name of it?
< 1221406546 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's based on making up a metric for space time.
< 1221406560 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without any regard for the stress energy tensor
< 1221406564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no huge fan of Star Trek
< 1221406577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just happen to have watched a lot of TNG and Voyager
< 1221406587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot of TOS
< 1221406610 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
< 1221406610 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thar
< 1221406627 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NATURE'S 4 DAYS OF HARMONIOUS TIME CUBE ROTATION
< 1221406637 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh you :D
< 1221406648 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 * -1 = 1 IS STUPID AND EVIL
< 1221406653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, oh that sounds familiar..... not *THAT* crap surely
< 1221406669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ACADEMIC IS _EVIL_
< 1221406674 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE BEEN EDUCATED *STUPID*
< 1221406687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my, I seen that crap website before once
< 1221406711 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: educators altere dyour mind, YOU CANNOT THINK opposite of what you were taught to think.
< 1221406716 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster : Search for "Time cube"
< 1221406720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a lot of shouting, didn't even manage to get the point what it wanted to say across
< 1221406724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1221406745 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: When the Sun shines upon Earth, 2 - major Time points are created on opposite sides of Earth - known as Midday and Midnight. Where the 2 major Time forces join, synergy creates 2 new minor Time points we recognize as Sunup and Sundown.
< 1221406745 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 4-equidistant Time points can be considered as Time Square imprinted upon the circle of Earth. In a single rotation of the Earth sphere, each Time corner point rotates through the other 3-corner Time points, thus creating 16 corners, 96 hours and 4-simultaneous 24 hour Days within a single rotation of Earth - equated to a Higher Order of Life Time Cube.
< 1221406748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, yes and it never explained in a clear way what it meant by "time cube" iirc
< 1221406764 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: YOU HAVE A CYCLOP PERSPECTIVE AND TAUGHT ANDROID MENTALITY - LOBOTOMIZED ANALYTICAL ABILITY
< 1221406771 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask insane people to explain themselves.
< 1221406782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, I guess so
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< 1221406831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thus creating 16 corners, 96 hours and 4-simultaneous 24 hour Days within a single rotation of Earth" <-- now that makes no sense
< 1221406837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that the rest do either
< 1221406839 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: YOU ARE EVIL
< 1221406841 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1221406842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that bit makes even less sense
< 1221406842 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND EDUCATED STUPID
< 1221406847 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were you expecting.
< 1221406852 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfg timecube.com is down
< 1221406853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(((((((((((((((
< 1221406854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, nothing else
< 1221406859 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GENE RAY WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO YOU??????
< 1221406890 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: YOU HAVE KILLED THE WISEST HUMAN, YOU EVIL ACADEMIC
< 1221406956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are free to go on with that silly spam, but please don't highlight me
< 1221406970 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: -1 * -1= +1 is WRONG, it is academic stupidity and is evil. The educated stupid should acknowledge the natural antipodes of +1 * +1 = +1 and -1 * -1 = -1 exist as plus and minus values of opposite creation - depicted by opposite sexes and opposite hemispheres.
< 1221407003 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: idea: if non-cardinal wrapping doesn't work you can end up absolutely anywhere, there's nothing I can do about it
< 1221407021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah true
< 1221407049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but you could handle some common cases easily
< 1221407056 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which case is that
< 1221407072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, applying b93 wrapping at f98 edge size
< 1221407078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is:
< 1221407093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if X == MaxX -> X = MinX
< 1221407107 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if X > MaxX?
< 1221407107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err I mean: if X > MaxX -> X = MinX
< 1221407112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I meant
< 1221407123 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the same for Y?
< 1221407124 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1221407127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GENE RAY IS XENU
< 1221407133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221407139 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | not as far as I know, but CLC-INTERCAL still supports Baudot and punched cards, and maintaining compatibility as far back as possible is a running INTERCAL in-joke
< 1221407150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and same for if X < MinX -> X = MaxX
< 1221407155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if you see what I mean
< 1221407171 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so where does it end up in that case
< 1221407185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the basic algorithm I use for cardinal wrapping is: http://rafb.net/p/ZakhhS22.html
< 1221407237 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cardinal wrapping?
< 1221407253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, bouncing between u and o like this: http://rafb.net/p/FLYm0g77.html
< 1221407277 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what would help is the next cell it hits, space included
< 1221407284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, Befunge way of saying, "moving north/south/west/east" and not diagonally
< 1221407295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm... a sec
< 1221407580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://rafb.net/p/kOS6BT80.html
< 1221407582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope that helps
< 1221407872 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And I invented doors, no joke!"
< 1221407971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh at stack-stacks
< 1221407975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really blergh
< 1221408027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about them when planning the design
< 1221408027 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A STACK OF STACKS
< 1221408037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because I don't use them a lot myself when coding funge
< 1221408408 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: uploaded a Mycology which should catch that case now
< 1221408479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fixed: test for k with a negative count was expecting pre–2008–07–26 k behaviour." <-- what exactly would that mean?
< 1221408497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, k with negative reflect is what I implement iirc, and it is an UNDEF
< 1221408508 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and?
< 1221408525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how would it expect pre–2008–07–26?
< 1221408546 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance in that when it says "pops more than the absolute value of the count" it would be off by one
< 1221408553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1221408559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never seen it say that
< 1221408589 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can/will you test that noncardinal wrapping again?
< 1221408603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you forgot one case: pushes "You are an UNDEF jerk, and be happy this isn't DeathStation 9000" on stack and reflects
< 1221408606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs
< 1221408610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no I don't)
< 1221408623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, sure in a bit, want to get the current change I'm working on done first
< 1221408626 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DeathStation 9000 >:|
< 1221408632 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9000 is (c) my ass >:|
< 1221408638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, eh?
< 1221408651 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you remember the LOVEMACHINE 9000?
< 1221408651 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: his langs end with 9000
< 1221408654 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Love Machine 9000, etc
< 1221408654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeathStation_9000
< 1221408656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that
< 1221408660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been around for ages
< 1221408683 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of langs
< 1221408698 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you go about to parse a bunch of parenthesis in Scheme?
< 1221408712 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make a lang based on mu functions.
< 1221408746 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 0, suc, projection, mu, and two functions : recursion and composition.
< 1221408754 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, everything can be written in one line
< 1221408764 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda-like
< 1221409318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue
< 1221409333 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just use the syntax of Scheme
< 1221409339 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it feels a little like cheating
< 1221412654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, your mycology update works
< 1221412674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming we can trust x...
< 1221412674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: wraparound with non-cardinal delta doesn't work
< 1221412674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instruction { is not implemented (at x=63 y=70).
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< 1221413081 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1221413755 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221413879 0 :Slereah2!n=x@ANantes-252-1-52-12.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221413880 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:|
< 1221414133 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221414152 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221414395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Hm does { copy elements, or move them?
< 1221414465 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221414483 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"transfers n elements from the SOSS to the TOSS"...
< 1221414509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "It copies these elements as a block, so order is preserved."
< 1221414535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what made me wonder
< 1221414542 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'"Transfer" is used here in the sense of "move," not "copy": the original cells are removed.'
< 1221414563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1221414584 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221414721 0 :oklobol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221414759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I swear lists:reverse/2 in stdlib of erlang was made for Stack Stacks as I implement them...
< 1221414761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              > lists:reverse([1, 2, 3, 4], [a, b, c]).
< 1221414761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              [4,3,2,1,a,b,c]
< 1221414777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reverses the first list and appends to second list to the end of the first one
< 1221414792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's silly
< 1221414807 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(++) . reverse
< 1221414812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect for Stack Stack End
< 1221414817 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect lists:reverse([1,2,3,4],[a,b,c]) to return two values
< 1221414822 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[4,3,2,1] and [c,b,a]
< 1221414826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, um the ++ is rather ineffective in Erlang
< 1221414834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since lists are cons cells like in lisp
< 1221414842 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: same in haskell
< 1221414844 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ++ is efficient
< 1221414849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so accessing head is the effective way
< 1221414855 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you think that that function doesn't do an append internally?
< 1221414859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lists:reverse/2 is implemented internally yes
< 1221414864 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: he is thinking it'd be two traversions
< 1221414866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is
< 1221414867 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in a non-lazy language
< 1221414876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in haskell it's just one traverse like the erlang
< 1221414878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a BIF
< 1221414883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Built In Function
< 1221414887 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, in a strict language it would be two traversals
< 1221414898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm?
< 1221414912 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse x ++ y would traverse x twice in a strict language
< 1221414914 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221414920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it does some strange magic internally in the runtime system
< 1221414942 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he meant that lists:reverse will traverse it
< 1221414946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you thought it'd traverse twice
< 1221414950 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Deewiant's version
< 1221414951 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are wrong
< 1221415888 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1221416764 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Artificial Bee Colony Algorithm (ABC) is an optimization algorithm based on the intelligent foraging behaviour of honey bee swarm, proposed by Karaboga in 2005 "
< 1221416800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2, intriguing
< 1221416804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :details?
< 1221416865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2, I'd love to hear what it is about
< 1221416877 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mainegov-images.informe.org/agriculture/pi/images/bee.jpg
< 1221416881 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops
< 1221416884 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Bee_Colony_Algorithm
< 1221416884 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221417160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2, Seems rather far-fetched
< 1221417184 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bees!
< 1221417194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes?
< 1221417201 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make a language out of it.
< 1221417208 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... Beesfuck
< 1221417210 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something
< 1221417218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you finished your scheme variant?
< 1221417318 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1221417327 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back to school :(
< 1221417332 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No time for langs right now.
< 1221417341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what timezone?
< 1221417353 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the bee algo different from local beam search ?
< 1221417355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is Sunday here
< 1221417360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is late evening
< 1221417366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see how that ends up as school
< 1221417377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol, local beam search?
< 1221417382 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster : I mean, generally
< 1221417385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :related to erlang compiled .beam file?
< 1221417388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1221417403 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :local beam search is a long story
< 1221417412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously searching for a compiled module, ignoring any nfs mounts!
< 1221417421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs
< 1221417428 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221417663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh
< 1221417675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I hate stackstack since it really mess up the whole code
< 1221417675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1221417798 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider writing it differently so it doesn't mess it all up :-P
< 1221417860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well, having a CONS list as a stack would be sane, right?
< 1221417880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now erlang is single-assignment
< 1221417893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means if I change stack I need to put it back into the stack stack list
< 1221417900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoah.
< 1221417904 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my submission is #1 on programming.reddit
< 1221417911 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider helper functions
< 1221417914 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and #7 on reddit proper
< 1221417917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm
< 1221417922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and that submission is?
< 1221417927 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/71e5c/sketchpad_an_advanced_painting_program_from_1963/
< 1221418110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, interesting, but horrible sound
< 1221418114 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It'
< 1221418118 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s a video from the 1980s.
< 1221418122 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the heck did you expect?
< 1221418130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A video from the 1980s showing footage from the 1960s.
< 1221418140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, better, since professional movies back then had better sound
< 1221418147 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's just someone speaking, jeez.
< 1221418152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1221418206 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wowzers. #5.
< 1221418216 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221418350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, cool and I think some of those features may not be found in modern systems really
< 1221418355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not systems I work on
< 1221418356 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, unfortunately not
< 1221418364 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks totally neato, i'd love to try it out
< 1221418364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible pro CAD apps?
< 1221418372 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what the constraint programming language looked like
< 1221418375 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, it was a 2d system
< 1221418377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I got no clue what sort of emulator you would need
< 1221418379 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks vector-based
< 1221418390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes I'd say it was vector based too
< 1221418391 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably doesn't exist. I'll just get my time machine
< 1221418460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not based on pixels I'd say
< 1221418476 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well duh
< 1221418480 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there weren't any pixel-based screens then
< 1221418484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1221418492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just being Captain Obvious
< 1221418493 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno what that output is, though
< 1221418497 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an oscilloscope?
< 1221418505 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way the lines wave a bit seem to suggest so
< 1221418506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue
< 1221418529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sketchpad was the first program ever to utilize a complete graphical user interface, using an x-y point plotter display"
< 1221418533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sketchpad
< 1221418828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neato
< 1221418841 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#4 on reddit :\
< 1221418846 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :96 points
< 1221418852 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I sure got lucky. :p
< 1221418921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and tomorrow it is gone again...
< 1221418927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point?
< 1221418933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fame for a day?
< 1221418970 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I just wanted to share it :)
< 1221418974 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shiet, #1 on programming.reddit
< 1221418984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still #4 on reddit.com.
< 1221418991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yet you are about how high it ends up?
< 1221418995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you said it before
< 1221418997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, i'm just surprised
< 1221418999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> Whoah.
< 1221418999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> my submission is #1 on programming.reddit
< 1221419006 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was surprised.
< 1221419010 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1221419013 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I forgot. :P
< 1221419019 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm just amused.
< 1221419030 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I don't think I've had anything on the front page before.
< 1221419043 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If I were a karma whore, then the reason would be karma, but I don't care. It's just a number in my profile.)
< 1221419894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vector_Video_Standards2.svg <-- do anyone else think the name QSXGA is silly?
< 1221419975 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: IDKWYATAITIAAVRN
< 1221419989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you ....?
< 1221419995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I can't decode it
< 1221420009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you are talking about
< 1221420020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no longer than that
< 1221420028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITIAAVRN I can't guess at
< 1221420263 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I Don't Know What You Are Talking About I Think It's A (?) Very Reasonable Name
< 1221420276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah
< 1221420280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sarcasm I bet
< 1221420315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to that chart, my current screen is SXGA+, and my old was SXGA
< 1221420338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WSXGA+ for me
< 1221420356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer 4:3
< 1221420358 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iMac 20" screen, matte, very nice lighting
< 1221420364 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UGA for the win
< 1221420368 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i did too but os x lends itself very well for widescreen usage
< 1221420389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my current screen is 21" and matte
< 1221420411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yea, mac displays generally have higher dpi than most others
< 1221420416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1221420433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how large would UGA be?
< 1221420438 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's on the chart...
< 1221420452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean 24" seems reasonable?
< 1221420453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or?
< 1221420459 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221420461 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21"
< 1221420467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, higher DPI
< 1221420492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I have seen other formats
< 1221420535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing some greyscale-only screen with a insanely high resolution, extremely expensive, target at hospitals and such
< 1221420540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember details
< 1221420554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a standing format, that is taller than it was wide
< 1221420576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3nnn x ?????
< 1221420577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1221420580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221420584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3nnn x ????
< 1221420591 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nnn>
< 1221420593 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*>
< 1221420594 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*?
< 1221420597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1221420718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay I solved the stack stack issue I think
< 1221420723 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#3 on reddit, yikes.
< 1221420730 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only submitted it an hour ago.
< 1221420925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I will need no code changes except changing -import(fstack, [push/2, peek/1, pop/1, popVec/1, dup/1, swap/1]). to -import(fstackstack, [push/2, peek/1, pop/1, popVec/1, dup/1, swap/1]).
< 1221421118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically then end up as wrappers like:
< 1221421119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push([TOSS|T] = StackStack, V) ->
< 1221421119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	NewTOSS = fstack:push(TOSS, V),
< 1221421119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	[NewTOSS|T].
< 1221421269 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#2
< 1221421270 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1221421322 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'd like to see some evidence this isn't fake..
< 1221421323 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have citations for this?
< 1221421323 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That computer seemed too high rez and the touch screen tech seemed too advanced for 67."
< 1221421324 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahhahah
< 1221421326 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :high rez
< 1221421327 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221421334 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet he thinks it's a pixel based screen
< 1221421341 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, apparently sketchpad was written in simula
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< 1221421463 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221421864 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1221421868 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221422144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, cool
< 1221422156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any modern compiler for that language?
< 1221422214 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i think so
< 1221422229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simula 67 introduced objects, classes, subclasses, virtual methods, coroutines, discrete event simulation, and features garbage collection.
< 1221422231 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first oo language
< 1221422234 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here
< 1221422235 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Major implementations 	GNU Cim
< 1221422239 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/software/cim/cim.html
< 1221422251 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Begin
< 1221422251 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   OutText ("Hello World!");
< 1221422251 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Outimage;
< 1221422251 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :End;
< 1221422253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hello world
< 1221422267 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntax is quite sane, very readable
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< 1221422620 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221422990 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1221422992 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 on reddit
< 1221423266 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks to be you doesn't it?
< 1221423274 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221423275 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm weeping
< 1221423407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, number 2
< 1221423416 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: duh, it fluctuates
< 1221423422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and number 1 is way way higher
< 1221423436 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it isn't based solely on score.
< 1221423451 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, e.g. the 1000+ point submission below me
< 1221423473 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based on a combination of score, hotness, controversialness, and a bunch of other factors that reddit won't reveal to us because it's their business model
< 1221423530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who decides "controversialness"
< 1221423543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is that a good or bad thing
< 1221423561 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if an item has 500 upvotes and 500 downvotes, it'd be 100% controversial
< 1221423572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see
< 1221423580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and does that count as a + or a -?
< 1221423599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: + i think, but obviously if you have 300 upvotes and 310 downvotes the - comign from that will probably cancel it out
< 1221423805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, right
< 1221423872 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221424576 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221424588 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221424650 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221424679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: { transfers cells incorrectly
< 1221424679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 0 0 Stopping due to fear of corrupt stack stack
< 1221424683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what does that mean?
< 1221424701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incorrect how?
< 1221424708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be useful saying stuff like:
< 1221424710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reversed"
< 1221424717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "should have been 0 0 10"
< 1221424718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1221425205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, IMO the current error is unusuable
< 1221425239 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1221425785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/2058.html
< 1221425968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah found the issue, I pushed offset before I popped for transfer
< 1221425980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now code locks up after "GOOD: } transfers cells correctly"
< 1221426088 0 :Figs!n=Figs@ip72-197-62-184.sd.sd.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221426760 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is totally Sketchpaded. I can tell by the vectors and having played a lot of Tempest in my time."
< 1221426762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g*
< 1221426775 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221426786 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi figs
< 1221426789 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw that on reddit
< 1221426790 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1221426792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the one who ordered you to come in here :P
< 1221426798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is figs?
< 1221426803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a regular in 2007ish
< 1221426810 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am Figs! (*muahahahha*)
< 1221426815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> "This is totally Sketchpaded. I can tell by the vectors and having played a lot of Tempest in my time." <-- don't make sense
< 1221426817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't*
< 1221426818 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes it does
< 1221426831 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a play on the meme "This is photoshopped, I can tell by the pixels and having seen a few shops in my time"
< 1221426843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221426849 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOZqRJzE8xg <-- sketchpad
< 1221426856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I seen the video
< 1221426864 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, k ;)
< 1221426865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, anyway Tempest?
< 1221426879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs, so what esolangs do you use?
< 1221426885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: i submitted that link
< 1221426888 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everyone here has seen it :P
< 1221426903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes he told us like 15 times already
< 1221426907 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221426911 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(arcade_game)
< 1221426914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"omg #3, omg #2, omg #1"
< 1221426921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :early vector game
< 1221426923 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I didn't notice that you'd submitted it
< 1221426928 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp*
< 1221426941 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: mwahahaha! i am internet famous! or something
< 1221427005 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've played around with BF a bit, and a few other things that aren't coming to mind, but mostly I come here to bother people about language design/implementation and for random insanity/fun :)
< 1221427020 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also used to enjoy obfuscating C++
< 1221427040 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which I've been told, on a couple occasions, is redundant...)
< 1221427082 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster here's specialty is copypasting code from CCBI and then microoptimizing parts that don't need to be to make his funge-98 interpreter cfunge.
< 1221427097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{esoteric, [Befunge, Brainfuck]}, {nonesoteric, [C, Erlang, Bash]}
< 1221427100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221427102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{esoteric, [Befunge, Brainfuck]}, {nonesoteric, [C, Erlang, Bash]}]
< 1221427102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even
< 1221427103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221427123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tusho is lying
< 1221427125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just hates me
< 1221427136 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm not lying, and i don't hate you
< 1221427141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're annoying, sure
< 1221427141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you do
< 1221427147 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't hate you
< 1221427147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you are lying
< 1221427156 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you say...
< 1221427168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I did base a few fingerprints on CCBI ones where the spec was unclear
< 1221427191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing in the core is based on it, or is based on discussions with CCBI author or similiar
< 1221427204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most fingerprints aren't based on it
< 1221427208 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's CCBI? :P
< 1221427215 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: concurrent conforming befunge interpreter
< 1221427219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another Befunge interpreter
< 1221427234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back working on efunge
< 1221427245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a befunge-98 interpreter coded in Erlang)
< 1221427256 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :efunge is exactly like cfunge except it's written in erlang and he can't use _posix_fadvise or _posix_fuzzy_logic_core_seed.
< 1221427272 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://rafb.net/p/by2Tg875.html
< 1221427279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and you are still lying
< 1221427285 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example of some of the kinds of crap I used to make... :P
< 1221427286 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no: you disagree with me
< 1221427288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different thing
< 1221427291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use no posix_* in file reading any more
< 1221427296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is a lie to say I use them
< 1221427305 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it still exemplifies the general style.
< 1221427309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs, I said C not C++
< 1221427317 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he wasn't replying to you.
< 1221427322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it is certainly obfuscated
< 1221427326 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was showing some obfuscated c++ that he made a while back
< 1221427326 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said C++, not C
< 1221427336 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that he mentioned when saying his esolangs
< 1221427337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs, well I can't read C++
< 1221427351 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you don't have to be able to read it to see the obfuscation
< 1221427352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, "<Figs> AnMaster: http://rafb.net/p/by2Tg875.html" "<tusho> AnMaster: he wasn't replying to you." <-- really?
< 1221427357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a *highlight* to me
< 1221427358 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: addressing you != replying to you
< 1221427372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, "<AnMaster> though it is certainly obfuscated" "<tusho> AnMaster: you don't have to be able to read it to see the obfuscation"
< 1221427374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your point?
< 1221427377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already said it
< 1221427395 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm saying that "well I can't read C++" was a silly statement as I doubt anyone but figs can read that
< 1221427409 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you were trying to explain the languages you know with your [{( messages... :P
< 1221427414 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't catch that
< 1221427418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs, yes I did
< 1221427421 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were arguing with tusho
< 1221427429 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: we're always arguing, generally
< 1221427434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs, it was a list of tuples
< 1221427442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :containing lists
< 1221427445 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: he's just showing off that he knows erlang.
< 1221427456 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221427468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho is always arguing with someone
< 1221427475 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol
< 1221427476 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: shut up, you're wrong
< 1221427476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not as clever as him
< 1221427482 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221427482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1221427484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally
< 1221427487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs, actually you need to quote them as they start in uppercase
< 1221427489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3> [{esoteric, ['Befunge', 'Brainfuck']}, {nonesoteric, ['C', 'Erlang', 'Bash']}].
< 1221427489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{esoteric,['Befunge','Brainfuck']},
< 1221427489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : {nonesoteric,['C','Erlang','Bash']}]
< 1221427489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he ends up correcting us all the time
< 1221427490 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you ever play my song, oklopol?
< 1221427512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, except he is wrong a lot of the time
< 1221427514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: no :) but i'm getting my piano back soon, perhaps i could retry
< 1221427523 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, ok :P
< 1221427525 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're wrong a lot of the time too
< 1221427545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently i just have my synth, and i'm too lazy to upload any good sounds on it
< 1221427549 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always wrong, except when I'm not.
< 1221427557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just has square, which is a bit chaotic with polyphonic music
< 1221427620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where tusho is wrong, it's irrelevant whether he was right or not
< 1221427633 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> where tusho is wrong, it's irrelevant whether he was right or not
< 1221427634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zen
< 1221427645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very
< 1221427665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, just got the art of computer programming trilogy from amazon
< 1221427671 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so pretty <3
< 1221427677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1221427680 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ooooh
< 1221427686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want :}
< 1221427691 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it costs like £100
< 1221427692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1221427693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just browsed through the pages and drooled
< 1221427698 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though
< 1221427699 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want
< 1221427700 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1221427702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the books are really unusable now
< 1221427706 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a box of those too; a friend ordered two and sold me the other one.
< 1221427731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also bought a haskell programming book, but it was of noobial quality
< 1221427761 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of these days, I'm going to have to force myself to actually learn Haskell :P
< 1221427817 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I've been learning x86 assembly lately...
< 1221428031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is awful
< 1221428041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, good choice
< 1221428044 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/71e5c/sketchpad_an_advanced_painting_program_from_1963/c05ffid i bring so many people together <3
< 1221428049 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: which book did you get?
< 1221428050 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaht?
< 1221428052 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaht owns
< 1221428057 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real world haskell also owns
< 1221428084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expand yaht
< 1221428091 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yet Another Haskell Tutorial
< 1221428101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is "programming in haskell"
< 1221428116 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have the weirdest craving for bbq sauce on pizza :|
< 1221428130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ima ask #haskell what they think of that book oklopol :P
< 1221428131 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I have neither...
< 1221428142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: thanks, actually.
< 1221428161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll read it anyway, since i bought it, though, of course
< 1221428181 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently dcoutts reccomends it, dcoutts is pretty cool
< 1221428189 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you just think it's noobish :-P
< 1221428212 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(saw on the webb)
< 1221428218 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: <newsham> graham hutton?  i like the book, but its a little thin.
< 1221428224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just took a quick glance
< 1221428247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<newsham> RWH [ed: real world haskell] is broader, with more emphasis on practical stuff
< 1221428255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's very, very thin
< 1221428264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't care for practicality, of course
< 1221428271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if i'd ever *use* it ;;)
< 1221428273 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yea, i just told them that :D
< 1221428283 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Figs|AfkPhoneCal
< 1221428286 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could destroy every practical computer in the world I bet you would
< 1221428292 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<newsham> tusho: i like the book, i was particularly happy that he covered some equational reasoning/proof stuff in it
< 1221428305 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he really wants a book called "How to write completely unreadable Haskell"
< 1221428307 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if no one had computers, i'd gladly live without one
< 1221428353 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: s/unreadable/oko/
< 1221428360 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get your terms right
< 1221428362 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a difference
< 1221428378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might nearly be possible
< 1221428403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko o = o (okoko o) okokoko
< 1221428425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very okoy
< 1221428429 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoy that would be
< 1221428447 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko=\o->flip o okokoko$okoko o
< 1221428475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok (o)
< 1221428547 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221428548 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221428739 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://www.codu.org/plof/dplof-x86-gnuWlinux-2006-12-19-2
< 1221428929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant,
< 1221428930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: 101-{} doesn't leave stack top as 0 and next as 1
< 1221428935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :care to say what it does instead?
< 1221428939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: fedcba0{05-} doesn't leave 15 on stack
< 1221428940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same
< 1221428956 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221429248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4 :r: 4v4
< 1221429253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ends up in that loop later
< 1221429475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I suspect misaligned code at:
< 1221429483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 (x=27 y=84)
< 1221429483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (x=27 y=85)
< 1221429483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: (x=27 y=86)
< 1221429483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r (x=27 y=87)
< 1221429502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the v above that 4 seems to point to wrong place
< 1221429836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night Deewiant
< 1221429842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone else
< 1221429920 0 :Figs|AfkPhoneCal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Figs
< 1221429941 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HelloooooooooooO! I have returned!
< 1221429947 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1221431001 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1221431011 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-032-139.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221431103 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221431147 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221431165 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221431171 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just killed windows explorer
< 1221431212 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: run it again
< 1221431217 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a "run task" in the task manager
< 1221431223 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know :P
< 1221431226 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221431231 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowzers.
< 1221431232 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 on reddit
< 1221431484 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221431504 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :careful now, lest you get addicted.
< 1221431530 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah.
< 1221431534 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just find it amusing
< 1221431555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addicted to being #1 on reddit seems hard
< 1221431586 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could easily get ugly, if there was more than one addict
< 1221431604 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221431628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's why so many places on the internet are ugly
< 1221431699 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like this one: http://www.ugliestwebsite.com/ ?
< 1221431709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or so i've heard, i don't tend to stay at such places)
< 1221431754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not that kind of ugly
< 1221431772 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the exception of those that are addicted to getting on that website :D
< 1221432556 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: whoa
< 1221432560 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't in simula
< 1221432561 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it predated simula
< 1221432563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[    Sketchpad’s implementation of class and instance-based inheritance (though not called objects) predated Simula by several years.]]
< 1221432569 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sketchpad had the first OOP system.
< 1221432608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it invented... non-procedural programming, vector graphics programs, pen-operated touch screens, OOP, what else
< 1221432867 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Figs|AFK
< 1221433166 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1221435192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall that someone here was retargeting GCC to Brainfuck...
< 1221435333 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ais
< 1221435411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes.
< 1221435420 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how far he's gotten with that
< 1221435463 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Far.
< 1221435610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How... Vague.
< 1221435637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Great Power comes Great Insanity
< 1221435673 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, there _was_ a tvtrope by that exact name
< 1221435697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blames his subconscious
< 1221435762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: He basically has everything done apart from actually generating the BF code.
< 1221435775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has an intermediate language called ABI (for maximum nameclash) that can be assembled into BF pretty trivially.
< 1221435787 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just has to fix up the last bits of that then write the converter (apparently very trivial)
< 1221435840 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't say scetchpad invented oop
< 1221435866 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why not? It's from 1963.
< 1221435873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i just saw the youtube clip
< 1221435892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't say it invented oop, because it... didn't
< 1221435911 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: duh not in its UI
< 1221435913 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was coded with oop
< 1221435918 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it wasn't called that, ofc
< 1221435918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221435924 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it was the first to do it
< 1221435932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as i said, i only know what i saw in the clip
< 1221435960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was a bit far-fetched to call the ui a language :)
< 1221435986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the language to specify constraints (e.g. to make the lines parallel and such) was a full language
< 1221435987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was a sign language
< 1221435988 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-imperative
< 1221436020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: That's fairly impressive.
< 1221436034 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what?
< 1221436037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sketchpad or gcc-bf
< 1221436252 0 :Figs|AFK!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"...hold the mayo, Mr. Mayor!"
< 1221436642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this genuine maya mayo?
< 1221439704 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1221441282 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221441342 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221441675 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221442318 0 :psygnisfive!i=82f5c439@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ffd024b5f431ce34 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221442323 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo
< 1221442324 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barbecue
< 1221442325 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221442336 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::gives everyone barbecue good::
< 1221442338 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1221442338 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food
< 1221442471 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1221445914 0 :boily!n=boily@bas2-quebec14-1177720866.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221446361 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-98-89-121.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221448455 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1221450339 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | The talk page is made of gold
< 1221450954 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1221455192 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
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< 1221456312 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spots a kiwi and runs after it
< 1221457769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1221457951 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-131-113.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221465599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1221465600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221467784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi GreaseMonkey
< 1221467795 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo
< 1221468872 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221468901 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not completely certain that bot works correctly. This is what I got when I tried to test it via privmsg:
< 1221468912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:54:16 <fizzie> Hey, fungot, does your nonsense generation work?
< 1221468912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:54:16 <fungot> fizzie: i think not.
< 1221468912 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh. i don't think
< 1221468913 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 30min sounds like a plural
< 1221468941 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Oh! So you said "i think not" because you actually do not think at all. Now I get it.
< 1221468942 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i was wishing we could use only 1-ary functions and currying really mutually exclusive?
< 1221469458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where was the source again?
< 1221469485 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt is most of it.
< 1221469486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: in what language?
< 1221469487 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: take the last three days or so
< 1221469518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the love triangle there
< 1221469530 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the most current version, I think I got rid of NULL fingerprint usage at least.
< 1221469538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it's some kind of tokenizer?
< 1221469549 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221469553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not, actually
< 1221469563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The triangle is the token-to-punctuation code of the nonsense generator.
< 1221469594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should add some more triangles
< 1221469598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first 16 or so tokens are handled by going to that 'j' and then letting that pick one of the 'v's there.
< 1221469600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :triangles are awesome
< 1221469673 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another jump table -like structure around line 264, for the brainfuck bytecode thing, but it's significantly less triangley.
< 1221469674 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1221469876 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know why I bothered writing 200000 as "2aaaaa*****" when I could've gotten the reasonably close 2^18 with something like "8:*::**", a lot shorter.
< 1221470989 0 :oklobol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221471064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221471939 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | PSOX is centered around brainfuck. Stating anything to the contrary is just a lie
< 1221472112 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-84-191.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221472687 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how about that mips in wireworld
< 1221473133 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1221473231 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221474662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> The first 16 or so tokens are handled by going to that 'j' and then letting that pick one of the 'v's there.
< 1221474663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221474670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a jump table :D
< 1221474675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally
< 1221474683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in funge
< 1221474688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would have tought
< 1221474732 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another (a vertically oriented one) in the brainfuck bytecode interpreter.
< 1221474767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see it
< 1221474779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why do you use a triangle btw?
< 1221474783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems pointless
< 1221474800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just write the code paths vertically
< 1221474820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you seem to go right up again
< 1221474823 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty that way, and there was empty space. :p
< 1221474843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you know that you are probably the only person who can read the code?
< 1221474862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and you got a lot of trailing whitespaces on the line below "looptest"
< 1221474863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I can read it all that well, since I haven't worked with it in a week or so.
< 1221474887 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there was probably something on that line and I erased only the visible parts.
< 1221474896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you should document the code structure, I mean a diagram showing "brainfuck region" and so on
< 1221475033 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably would've documented it better if I had an editor which could attach comments to arbitrary regions of a text file.
< 1221475095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I meant somewhat like the image on http://www.quinapalus.com/wires11.html
< 1221475167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could do something like that, although it really isn't large enough to create a really impressive picture, and it's just tall and thin, not very square-like at all.
< 1221475179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1221475242 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "no more than 80 columns" rule I've followed has maybe made it easier to edit, but it's disappointingly linear code now.
< 1221475667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and maintainable
< 1221475849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNIP GNOP
< 1221475850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe
< 1221475852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221475899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, want to see one of my own boringly linear test suites?
< 1221475909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/VQGDpf66.html
< 1221475989 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"detroppus ton" i first thought this was latin or something
< 1221475991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221476006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not supported
< 1221476008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221476044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you clearly aren't seasoned in reading funge
< 1221476044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to project that wireworld program on my wall
< 1221476051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAB and DOOG
< 1221476055 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221476058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mycology
< 1221476069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took like a second to realize it's a gnirts
< 1221476074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1221476081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also
< 1221476082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1221476082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n
< 1221476083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1221476084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r
< 1221476084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1221476084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1221476087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no i'm not seasoned to reading it
< 1221476091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not in that program
< 1221476106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ever looked at mycology source?
< 1221476112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1221476125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology is way less readable
< 1221476128 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really the only funge program i've read parts of
< 1221476439 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Jesus loves you"
< 1221478076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah cause of infinite loop was u popping from TOSS to SOSS when positive instead of the other way
< 1221478088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still weird loop it ended up in
< 1221478100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: 101-{} doesn't leave stack top as 0 and next as 1
< 1221478100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: fedcba0{05-} doesn't leave 15 on stack
< 1221478107 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.85.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221478107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I still don't understand that
< 1221478123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be useful to print what happened instead
< 1221478784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"
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< 1221479323 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1221480124 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221480369 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#  Any "if" statement requires at least 14,000 subconditions. "
< 1221480382 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly Emplosions looks a little too silly.
< 1221480398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly Emplosions seems to have the same attitude as INTERCAL
< 1221480404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just without the need to be practical too
< 1221480471 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hi ais523
< 1221480474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1221480486 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I am going to write that autogreeter now, because I want to, and you have inspired me.
< 1221480486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading about the whole Firefox 3 EULA thing
< 1221480507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems the EULA is there to protect their trademarks, among other things
< 1221480514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Canonical and Mozilla have got into a row about it
< 1221480558 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i've decided that i really don't like mozilla
< 1221480563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their attitude really sucks
< 1221480578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's annoying me quickly too
< 1221480588 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i have maintained for a while that they're no more a free software group than Sun or IBM or Apple
< 1221480596 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people just tended to ignore those kind of remarks
< 1221480600 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it seems more are listening...
< 1221480602 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nukees.com/comics/nukees20080915.gif
< 1221480603 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.
< 1221480727 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: MWAHAHA! I HAVE CONQUERED APPLESCRIPT AND "hi ais523.scpt" VERILY EXISTS
< 1221480728 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got CS class again this year I think D:
< 1221480728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to install it
< 1221480743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the cringeworthy code: [[using terms from application "Colloquy"
< 1221480743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	on member joined m in room
< 1221480743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		if m's name is "ais523" then
< 1221480743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :			tell room to send message "hi ais523"
< 1221480744 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		end if
< 1221480744 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	end member joined
< 1221480746 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end using terms from]]
< 1221480762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is so AppleScript
< 1221480773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those languages which is instantly recognisable
< 1221480899 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1221480914 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.85.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221480925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: do you want me to /cycle to test?
< 1221480934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in a sec
< 1221480952 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, try
< 1221480960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1221480960 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221480966 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts.
< 1221481002 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, where IS the scripts menu
< 1221481025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1221481072 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA
< 1221481080 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1221481106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gogogogo
< 1221481112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1221481112 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221481112 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1221481117 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^.^
< 1221481119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it works
< 1221481124 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahaha
< 1221481125 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent
< 1221481141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any gcc-bf news?
< 1221481144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq was asking yesterday
< 1221481155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I've done all the easy parts, just a few hard parts left
< 1221481158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haven't really tested anything
< 1221481170 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pretty eventful day actually: Figs from circa 2007 was here and I got a submission to #1 place on reddit :P)
< 1221481180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughs at the topic
< 1221481185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I remember Figs
< 1221481190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what submission?
< 1221481197 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/71e5c/sketchpad_an_advanced_painting_program_from_1963/
< 1221481207 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CAD-ish program that invented OOP,
< 1221481209 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-functional languages,
< 1221481218 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a metric fuckton of other stuff
< 1221481229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first comment there (a quote from the video) is nice: ""How could you do [all this] in one year?" "I didn't know it was hard.""
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< 1221483038 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221483352 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.webfoundation.org/news/2008/09/welcome-to-the-world-wide-web-foundation.html Neat. What does it do.
< 1221483430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the w3f
< 1221483432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1221483458 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah.
< 1221483466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: site times out for me
< 1221483470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say:
< 1221483471 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The World Wide Web Foundation seeks to advance One Web that is free and open, to expand the Web's capability and robustness, and to extend the Web's benefits to all people on the planet. The Web Foundation brings together business leaders, technology innovators, academia, government, NGOs, and experts in many fields to tackle challenges that, like the Web, are global in scale."
< 1221483478 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's good. A bit vague, but sure, whatever.
< 1221483487 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tim Berners Lee is a co-foundery thingy)
< 1221483503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, it's just the name reminded me of the OpenDocument Foundation
< 1221483509 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221483512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who were a few guys who came up out of nowhere
< 1221483521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then decided they weren't supporting ODF any more
< 1221483567 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Steve became CEO of the World Wide Web Foundation in September 2008.'
< 1221483569 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just founded you idiots
< 1221483575 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't 'become' it
< 1221483617 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: From the site for Helvetica the film
< 1221483619 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.body { 	font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans; }
< 1221483710 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@151.60.134.230 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221483802 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1221484453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay efunge almost pass mycology now, just a few details about y left
< 1221484459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, command line and env
< 1221484567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/Qj6DvB92.html
< 1221484613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the indention got some issue with y, it is different if I run efunge freestanding instead of under the erlang shell
< 1221484837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi ais523
< 1221484843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1221484982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how goes bf-gcc?
< 1221484992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it gcc-bf?
< 1221485001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: all the easy bits are finished, there are several hard bits left
< 1221485013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't really called anything stable atm
< 1221485051 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.djangopony.com/ Django (python web framework) pony.
< 1221485057 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Django.
< 1221485058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pony.
< 1221485093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeragh
< 1221485094 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Follow up: http://hackety.org/2008/09/15/documentsRevealDjangoPonyTailOfLies.html)
< 1221485154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1221485192 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously sketchpadded though
< 1221485206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah I'd say hand drawn
< 1221485247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no. sketchpadded
< 1221485257 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell from the parallel lines
< 1221485261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1221485781 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why is known for his bizzare hand-drawn stuff, though, yes
< 1221485803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his old site had "code in images" like:
< 1221485813 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://redhanded.hobix.com/bits/gem_mirror_only.html, http://redhanded.hobix.com/cult/ahaNoticeTheExpandoWhichPrecludes.html, http://redhanded.hobix.com/bits/theHeartOfTryRuby.html
< 1221486361 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
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< 1221486928 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb cmeme
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< 1221487057 0 :oklobol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221487401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: someone /msged me in NetHack, thinking it was about hacking
< 1221487405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told them it wasn't
< 1221487415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they asked me if I knew anything about hacking
< 1221487419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said not that I'd tell anyone over IRC
< 1221487427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they said they had Messenger too...
< 1221487431 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah
< 1221487445 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aw, you should have pretended you thought he meant hacking as in the non-cracking sense
< 1221487486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do you make plural of gnirts?
< 1221487492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in funge strings
< 1221487494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnirtss?
< 1221487497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gnirtses is about the best you can get
< 1221487501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221487506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :within normal English pluralising rules
< 1221487787 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gnirtsies."
< 1221487847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that would be the plural of gnirtsy
< 1221487859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, it's not the sort of word which pluralises very well at all
< 1221488058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aoidajsiojasiodhaiusdhuadjs
< 1221488480 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221488567 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's gnirtses' plural
< 1221488584 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually didn't work that well because no third s was added
< 1221488600 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny how i thought there would be one but didn't put it there
< 1221489303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I just needed a name for a function to push a list of gnirts in efunge
< 1221489365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pushGnirtses work
< 1221489551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzr branch http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/bzr/efunge/b98 efunge98
< 1221489554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone is interested
< 1221489563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need erlang installed
< 1221489565 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for 101-{} and the others, the whole point of printing the problematic code is that you can do "echo '101-{}@' > foo.b98 && run-interpreter foo.b98"
< 1221489574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm ok true
< 1221489604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and the u got direction messed up -> infinite loop issue?
< 1221489612 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and before you ask me about it again, yes there is no corresponding GOOD for that and the next test :-P
< 1221489622 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably fixed in the update I did this morning?
< 1221489633 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a 'v' going to nowhere, right?
< 1221489645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I can't test it
< 1221489651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not going to mess with u code again
< 1221489664 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221489668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stackstack and y are the ugliest bits of code I have
< 1221489688 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't done fingerprints then yet, I suppose? ;-)
< 1221489698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed not
< 1221489702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor am I sure how I would do it
< 1221489720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I'm going to have to write asmfunge at this rate
< 1221489725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not right now
< 1221489726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some time later
< 1221489735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but see the bzr link I posted a few lines above if you are interested!
< 1221489746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it doesn't implement tio= either
< 1221489768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not going to work more on it today
< 1221489794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, an odd bug is that indention for mycology's y output differ between freestanding and running inside the erlang shell
< 1221489798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't figure out the cause of that
< 1221489812 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: s/indention/indentation/ btw
< 1221489816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1221489832 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen you make that mistake a couple of times so I figured I'd correct you :-)
< 1221489837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: does Mycology indent with tabs?
< 1221489844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so that might be the reason
< 1221489852 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does
< 1221489870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I use io:format in both cases, so I don't see why it would mangle tabs with erl -no_shell and not mangle them when starting from inside shell
< 1221489876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be seriously weird
< 1221489898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's possible that the tabstops are different in the two situations
< 1221489911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221489927 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it tabstops differ the indentation doesn't, it's still 1 or 2 tabs :-P
< 1221490053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Deewiant the two ways of running below each other: http://rafb.net/p/GSynYV92.html
< 1221490106 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rafb eats tabs so that's not very informational
< 1221490113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that you have a tabstop at 1 the second way of running
< 1221490116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why though
< 1221490122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well so does my terminal when I copy paste with select
< 1221490134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the erlang interactive shell even works if you redirect it
< 1221490137 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, that sucks
< 1221490159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does it work over ssh?
< 1221490170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, ssh into your own computer and redirect that via tee
< 1221490174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm?
< 1221490187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it works over ssh
< 1221490189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh localhost | tee
< 1221490194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh localhost | tee filename
< 1221490195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ssh simulates a terminal afaik
< 1221490199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, corrected version)
< 1221490208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would mean that you'd get the output in filename as well as onscreen
< 1221490209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I used erlang over ssh even
< 1221490218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, doesn't tee buffer output?
< 1221490219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's one way to capture the output
< 1221490228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: only to the file, not to stdout I think
< 1221490242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not if stdout's a terminal
< 1221490253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH the /input/ to tee might be buffered, which could be a problem
< 1221490257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I redirected the freestanding output to a file, it contained tab chars
< 1221490263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess weird tabstops
< 1221490274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though cfunge in same terminal give normal tabs
< 1221490298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait no it doesn't
< 1221490300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf :)
< 1221490314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my terminal settings have got fucked up somehow
< 1221490320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check another terminal
< 1221490352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes was just that terminal
< 1221490356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem then
< 1221490369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I still have no idea how you managed to set a tabstop in column 1
< 1221490378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw apart from getting env vars the program is fully portable I think
< 1221490394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to use os:get_env() for environment vars
< 1221490400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that may or may not work on other OS
< 1221490411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, catting a binary file or something like that I bet
< 1221490427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you often cat binary files?
< 1221490434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reset fixes it
< 1221490435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, the "reset" command is very useful to know
< 1221490436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no
< 1221490447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as I said, reset fixed the tab stop
< 1221490453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I probably did cat one by mistake
< 1221490461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I learnt about reset I used to cat /dev/random to reset the terminal
< 1221490471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you did it often enough the terminal normally ended up sane by chance eventually
< 1221490474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is likely to mess it up even more
< 1221490480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1221490484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't know that at the time
< 1221490500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mostly it was about getting the terminal out of high-bit-set mode
< 1221490509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the resulting terminals often gave curses a field day, though
< 1221490514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and messed up ls output from time to time
< 1221490528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway I think efunge qualifies for mycology results page, though a release will have to wait a bit
< 1221490539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and it's the first bignum one
< 1221490640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait I will change fingerprint to make use of bignum, I think that is valid
< 1221490669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, there should be a bignum fingerprint with a name like "BIGNUM"
< 1221490676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need 48-bit or better ints to use it...
< 1221490687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no need, since all cells are bignum here
< 1221490688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lets see
< 1221490699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I was speaking in general
< 1221490710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"efunge - A bignum funge interpreter in Erlang" for fingerprint
< 1221490714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would that end up as
< 1221490723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221490726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as handprint
< 1221490727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1221490731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, :D
< 1221490732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some ridiculously large number
< 1221490737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
< 1221490763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"efunge - A BIGNUM Befunge-98 interpreter in Erlang"
< 1221490764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even
< 1221490784 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-032-139.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221491008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13> io:format("~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~.16B~n", "efunge - A BIGNUM Befunge-98 interpreter in Erlang").
< 1221491008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6566756E6765202D2041204249474E554D20426566756E67652D393820696E74657270726574657220696E2045726C616E67
< 1221491008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1221491013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wow
< 1221491037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 16#6566756E6765202D2041204249474E554D20426566756E67652D393820696E74657270726574657220696E2045726C616E67
< 1221491045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what do you think about that for handprint?
< 1221491097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        That the interpreter's handprint is 1022815351171939080750602515080902596655856329413174779991860562785344354620645109770120275823379669394014875628110704231
< 1221491106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221491138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, you beat me to it
< 1221491146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, to what?
< 1221491153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculating that handprint
< 1221491164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1221491166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to erlang
< 1221491171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking up how to get a character code in Haskell...
< 1221491194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I generated the format
< 1221491214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using lists:seq() and then lists:map()
< 1221491219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then lists:flattern()
< 1221491227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since in erlang a string is just a list of integers
< 1221491230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221491254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wonderful idea eh? :D
< 1221491267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes a lot of funge stuff a lot simpler
< 1221491267 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I sort of think that handprints should be as small as possible so that you can test for them portably
< 1221491271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a string is a list of char in Haskell
< 1221491277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't remember the function to convert a char to an integer
< 1221491282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hehe ok, but it would be fun
< 1221491283 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ord
< 1221491288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: thanks
< 1221491290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google wasn't helping
< 1221491298 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoogle is better for such
< 1221491309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, still the long handprint is much much more fun!
< 1221491311 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://haskell.org/hoogle/?hoogle=Char+-%3E+Int
< 1221491321 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: :-P
< 1221491332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how do you cast an Int to an Integer in Haskell, then?
< 1221491348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and you could test for it, if you overflow you know it can't be it!
< 1221491364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway is funge cell integer overflow well defined?
< 1221491366 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fromIntegral
< 1221491371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they are signed
< 1221491381 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://haskell.org/hoogle/?q=Int%20-%3E%20Integer again :-)
< 1221491388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: thanks, I know much of the structure of Haskell but am useless with its stdlib
< 1221491392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was looking there too
< 1221491395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ?
< 1221491434 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that handprint overflows to some 32-bit value which could theoretically be in use by another interpreter
< 1221491449 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, overflow is not discussed in the specs
< 1221491453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm true, so EFUN it is
< 1221491469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is booooooooooring
< 1221491472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1221491480 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221491511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan, do you think 0x6566756E6765202D2041204249474E554D20426566756E67652D393820696E74657270726574657220696E2045726C616E67 is a sane number to use for a unique ID of an interpreter?
< 1221491533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite likely
< 1221491540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? Deewiant doesn't agree
< 1221491541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221491555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it was picked at random
< 1221491560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't
< 1221491565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a FUNGE handprint
< 1221491571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is ASCII encoded really
< 1221491573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"efunge - A BIGNUM Befunge-98 interpreter in Erlang"
< 1221491575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case
< 1221491595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally they are like CFUN, CCBI, RCSU (iirc) and so on
< 1221491604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fit in 32 bit interpreters
< 1221491637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I guess I shall go with EFUN instead
< 1221491639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1221491714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok assuming you wanted to call that from another interpreter, it would seem rather useful if that didn't have to be a bignum one
< 1221491727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well true
< 1221491739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but agree the long one is more fun :D
< 1221491744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1221491760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That the interpreter's handprint is 1022815351171939080750602515080902596655856329413174779991860562785344354620645109770120275823379669394014875628110704231
< 1221491765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to
< 1221491773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That the interpreter's handprint is 1162237262
< 1221491783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is EFUN as a 32-bit integer
< 1221491811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm really I should make it a prime number :/
< 1221491815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly there needs to be a handprint for requesting unlimited length handprints
< 1221491822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ factor 1162237261
< 1221491822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1162237261: 1162237261
< 1221491824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOOH
< 1221491834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one char difference and it is a prime
< 1221491839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be... EFUM?
< 1221491852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1221491864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION curses ASCII mapping
< 1221491868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about EFGE
< 1221491926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or EFNG
< 1221491931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFGE is 0x45464745
< 1221491935 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that wraps around to "lang" btw, heh
< 1221491946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFNG 0x45464E47
< 1221491948 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if I got it correct
< 1221491949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm where?
< 1221491959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean are any of those primes
< 1221491960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh you mean in 32-bit
< 1221491962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my Haskell program makes it 1022815351171939080750602515080902596655856329413174779991860562785344354620645109770120275823379669394014875628110704231
< 1221491963 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your too-long handprint, in 32-bit it's "lang"
< 1221491967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah let me check
< 1221491967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the same result you got
< 1221491970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably corrrect
< 1221491979 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what I got too
< 1221491993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, nop
< 1221491999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a three-liner the way I wrote it, I was just a little rusty at Haskell so it took me a while
< 1221492011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway lang is a cool 32-bit handprint
< 1221492011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221492020 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatMap (flip showHex "" . ord) $ string
< 1221492023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it is even relevant
< 1221492033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1818324583?
< 1221492036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's special about that?
< 1221492042 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "lang"
< 1221492052 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in retrospect I guess that's obvious
< 1221492057 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's the last 4 chars of the string >_<
< 1221492060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I created lang from that
< 1221492067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that from lang
< 1221492073 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's that integer when truncated to 32 bits
< 1221492078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's obvious
< 1221492079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that depends on how signed wrapping works
< 1221492084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is UD in C at least
< 1221492086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was something interesting about the number
< 1221492097 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1221492109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gcc's definition is interesting, it assumes signed wraps like unsigned except sometimes in the control expression of a loop
< 1221492122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it is UD in C
< 1221492126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other comparison-like situations
< 1221492135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gcc's taking advantage of that fact, obviously, as its definition is weird
< 1221492142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221492144 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I'm not surprised :-P
< 1221492162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find me a prime fingerprint in 32-bit that works for the name "efunge"
< 1221492169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I may just use the long one
< 1221492185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shall be either prime and the name fitting
< 1221492196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bignum
< 1221492198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EF seems necessary
< 1221492208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I'd say so
< 1221492216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but EFUM (which is prime) makes no sense
< 1221492237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EMUS?
< 1221492243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning?
< 1221492249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e-mushroom
< 1221492255 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221492262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that *is* prime
< 1221492269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I totally fail to see how it is related
< 1221492270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1221492275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungus
< 1221492278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fungus = mushroom
< 1221492280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1221492281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221492284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could work
< 1221492293 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERMS - erlang mushroom
< 1221492307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not prime
< 1221492312 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1221492325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERFN, ERFU, ERFG
< 1221492329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes the concept of e-mushrooms anyway
< 1221492331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check
< 1221492332 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's so good about primality?
< 1221492346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a fingerprint that's the sum of two cubes in two different ways
< 1221492354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be 1729, make it much bigger
< 1221492358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can annoy people with ti
< 1221492361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it
< 1221492366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, none of them prime
< 1221492393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERFN is even and factors into "1163019854: 2 581509927"
< 1221492394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the first cannot be since it's even
< 1221492421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EMUS seems good actually
< 1221492426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221492459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the perfect number fingerprints are
< 1221492460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, huh what do you mean with cube here?
< 1221492469 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: x^3
< 1221492475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221492479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1221492479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a number that's some integer to the power 3
< 1221492495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two different cubes in two different ways?
< 1221492505 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a^3 + b^3 and c^3 + d^3
< 1221492506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??
< 1221492507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221492509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1221492513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is four different
< 1221492514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not two
< 1221492520 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: two cubes, in two ways.
< 1221492523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1221492525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a number is the sum of two cubes if it's a^3+b^3
< 1221492540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the sum of two cubes in two different ways if there are two possibilities for (a,b) that work
< 1221492547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I got no idea if 1022815351171939080750602515080902596655856329413174779991860562785344354620645109770120275823379669394014875628110704231 is prime or not
< 1221492552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :factor says it is too big
< 1221492565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bits is that number hm?
< 1221492583 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could do the 3 and 11 tests at least
< 1221492594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually haskell should handle those fine
< 1221492604 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 398.66391710537613
< 1221492613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's divisible by 3
< 1221492615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hm
< 1221492617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1221492619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1221492630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is ok
< 1221492633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is BIGNUM
< 1221492643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but EMUS may work yes
< 1221492645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6, 28, 496, 8128, 33550336, 8589869056, 137438691328
< 1221492671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: perfect numbers?
< 1221492674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221492675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, err hm some of those are not primes, so what are the prime factors of 1022815351171939080750602515080902596655856329413174779991860562785344354620645109770120275823379669394014875628110704231
< 1221492677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1221492684 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: working on it
< 1221492685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1221492686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that 33550336 struck me in the face
< 1221492692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've spent all week staring at numbers that start 3355
< 1221492696 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a tough one, 45 seconds already :-P
< 1221492697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that's odd
< 1221492728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x02000000 is 33554432
< 1221492728 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a perfect synchronicity
< 1221492735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10> io:format("~.16B~n", [33550336]).
< 1221492735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1FFF000
< 1221492739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that is interesting
< 1221492739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the lowest memory address on the heap in gccbf
< 1221492753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11> io:format("~.16B~n", [8589869056]).
< 1221492753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1FFFF0000
< 1221492755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1221492755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not really, all perfect numbers are the product of a power of 2 and 1 less than a power of 2
< 1221492759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1221492765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all even perfect numbers anyway
< 1221492766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought we were doing byte encoding not hex
< 1221492786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bad as it means that any even perfect handprint will end with lots of NULs
< 1221492791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it so that all are 0x1F...0... with equal count of F and 0?
< 1221492800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that just true for those two?
< 1221492800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1221492806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I think so, past the first few
< 1221492809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12> io:format("~.16B~n", [137438691328]).
< 1221492809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1FFFFC0000
< 1221492810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221492810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 is 0x6 for instance
< 1221492814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1221492824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that C is half an F and half a 0
< 1221492830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right
< 1221492837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still an interesting pattern
< 1221492850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true in binary
< 1221492854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1111...0000
< 1221492854 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: {{3, 1}, {233, 1}, {463, 1}, {7309, 1}, {79843, 1}, {1196959691, 1}, {11426407403, 1}, {1516849785751, 1}, {77863659174921299, 1}, {3508614362114968649, 1}, {955524906494690973199465859798407059913, 1}}
< 1221492861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13> io:format("~.2B~n", [137438691328]).
< 1221492861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1111111111111111111000000000000000000
< 1221492862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1221492871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm ok
< 1221492880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how long did it take?
< 1221492880 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 minutes and 45 seconds
< 1221492883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221492913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should select an 4096 bit number as fingerprint as a tribute to gpg key sizes
< 1221492917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1221492925 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why not... EFUN
< 1221492927 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or EFNG
< 1221492931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, not prime
< 1221492935 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so fucking what?!
< 1221492944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either prime or larger than 32 bits
< 1221492947 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: WHY
< 1221492954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, because it is esoteric!
< 1221492972 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's pointless and not very funny either
< 1221492981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one said funny
< 1221492987 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not esoteric
< 1221493091 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say it's a prime example of esotericness
< 1221493100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221493148 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotericity
< 1221493156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly
< 1221493180 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not
< 1221493181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying not to say that
< 1221493187 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently there's no noun for it
< 1221493190 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I can't find one
< 1221493201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I noticed an Unlambda interp on hackage, checked the .cabal file and it seems that Oerjan here is at least partially responsible
< 1221493205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have guessed, really
< 1221493222 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should call esotericy peoples perpetrators
< 1221493236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that term is reserved for people who perpetrate INTERCAL compilers
< 1221493243 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're "responsible" for languages and interps
< 1221493244 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several unlambda interpreters in haskell i think
< 1221493244 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aww
< 1221493251 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but going by my system, what would esolangs and implementations be?
< 1221493257 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plans and crimes?
< 1221493276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly
< 1221493317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm would it be possible to implement MVRS without implementing concurrency I wonder?
< 1221493341 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perpetrators are responsible for plans and crimes
< 1221493344 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1221493353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm esoteri(ci)sm means something slightly different
< 1221493411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway are you going to test efunge at some point? That project will go dormant now until Friday at least
< 1221493415 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes it would be
< 1221493424 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly at some point, yes
< 1221493460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, adding it would be simple, since it don't implement anything like TERM or NCRS or any other fingerprint that may need manual checking
< 1221493462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotericity and esotericness both give about 500 google hits
< 1221493539 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Hi.
< 1221493549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello optbot
< 1221493550 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because the mind isn't barraged by things like - say, physical constants?
< 1221493578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'd say G lays heavily on me
< 1221493645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: except i'm not sure that's the right idiom
< 1221493645 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now for ~ps
< 1221493655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<= food
< 1221493911 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what coming from all them directions graaaa how can i find it in that small a heap
< 1221493926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobol: ?
< 1221493963 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, absolutely nothing
< 1221493966 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1221494372 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Won't be back for a while..."
< 1221495044 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye ilari
< 1221495077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..forever
< 1221495152 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ilari
< 1221495154 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221495164 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man.
< 1221495170 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you love to program dudes
< 1221495174 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do physics.
< 1221495176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hiato
< 1221495183 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once again, they're making us program on fucking paper.
< 1221495184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bet it doesn't have an entry for ais523
< 1221495223 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in C.
< 1221495227 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking C >:|
< 1221495238 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Ais523
< 1221495241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with programming in c on paper
< 1221495244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's cheating
< 1221495250 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you compile? :o
< 1221495259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: origami
< 1221495259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neener neener
< 1221495260 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't really correct yourself
< 1221495266 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the search suggest tush for tusho?
< 1221495276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Tusho is a placename
< 1221495277 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather program in pseudo code on paper
< 1221495286 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it? cool. where
< 1221495300 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, oerjan, where'd you pull this out from?
< 1221495317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Ethiopia, apparently
< 1221495327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.maplandia.com/ethiopia/oromiya/east-harerghe/tusho/
< 1221495348 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1221495353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: google and wiktionary
< 1221495440 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh :P
< 1221495548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: does your nick mean something else?
< 1221495570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm why haven't I seen Mike for some time
< 1221495632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mike was actually another secret identity of Radovan Karadzic
< 1221495640 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nope, I actually stole it from a similar one in worms (the original, it was Hialto)
< 1221495649 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221495674 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: the game worms? :P
< 1221495733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hialto seems to be a figure from Norse legends
< 1221495747 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeppers :)
< 1221495756 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: which one?
< 1221495775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, dc, 2, wp, wa, 3d, 4, (haven't kept up with the ones after)
< 1221495782 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the random names "generated"
< 1221495808 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, which game?
< 1221495817 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think wa was the first with random names
< 1221495840 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hiato
< 1221495845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only really played wp, but it was awesome
< 1221495859 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: W:A is a lot better than WWP  with the recent patch
< 1221495874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's WWP-crap-bugs+smoother+features
< 1221495881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1221495974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I sent off a question to Mike asking about tagged tuples for FPDP
< 1221496006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: FPDP seems reasonably simple to me, clearly it should just use 128-bit float on a 64-bit system
< 1221496010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it could even be written using g/p, but not printed out using o
< 1221496019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I can't do a union of int and double in erlang!
< 1221496031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need to use something like {double,1.345}
< 1221496037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the stack to represent them
< 1221496038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you could copy the bits by hand, I suppose?
< 1221496047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: erlang is dynamically typed isn't it
< 1221496053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed
< 1221496064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but point is following FPDP specs is an issue here
< 1221496070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can't you type check?
< 1221496090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well yes I could use is_float()
< 1221496097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but read the FPDP specs
< 1221496100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see the issue
< 1221496119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes erlang can do that kind of, but it is messy and I'd rather avoid it
< 1221496130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also what if a float was a trap value
< 1221496132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1221496136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could get messy
< 1221496147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :efunge is aimed to be 99.9% percent portable
< 1221496151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what if someone runs FPDP, then stores the values in the playfield, then runs into them as a command?
< 1221496159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only non-portable erlang function I use so far is os:get_env()
< 1221496160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for y
< 1221496175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as far as I can see in the docs os:get_env() works on both windows and linux
< 1221496220 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can store them however you like as long as they transparently behave like normal funge-space cells
< 1221496285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw for efunge / is correct path separator on windows I think, since erlang use forward slash on windows and convert it internally
< 1221496292 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and Mike is very active in e-mail, he just isn't here anymore
< 1221496294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell
< 1221496301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I did email him about it
< 1221496311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and no they won't be able to be written out using o
< 1221496314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just won't work
< 1221496318 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: / is not correct on Windows IMO, no matter what.
< 1221496323 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure it can work
< 1221496328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well using \ in efunge would fail on windows
< 1221496333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is how it is simply
< 1221496348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I use the erlang API
< 1221496376 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried it?
< 1221496386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no but the docs seem to indicate it
< 1221496403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a windows install around
< 1221496410 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do :-P
< 1221496417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, do you have erlang on it?
< 1221496420 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do I have to type, I have Eshell V5.5.5 open
< 1221496427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sec
< 1221496470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file:open("C:\\SomeFileOfYours", [read])
< 1221496471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1221496474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file:open("C:/SomeFileOfYours", [read])
< 1221496479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, err add a . after each
< 1221496482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1221496487 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha
< 1221496501 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221496504 0 :Slereah2!n=x@ANantes-252-1-52-12.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221496514 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: both give {ok,<0.number.0>} where number was 32 with / and 34 with \\
< 1221496523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right hm both works then
< 1221496526 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1221496528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, q(). to quit erlang shell
< 1221496537 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes or alt-f4 :-P
< 1221496542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221496576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well there is the filename module to *convert* to native paths, meant for interacting with external tools
< 1221496584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't find path separator in there
< 1221496591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only more higher level functions
< 1221496592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb phone
< 1221496601 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-032-139.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221496614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1221496625 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can't you do something manually to detect OS?
< 1221496636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is the os module but it is unportable
< 1221496637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system("uname"), if it fails you're on Windows
< 1221496644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and erlang will always translate paths
< 1221496656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I prefer it to work on other OS like OS9 iirc
< 1221496661 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unless it prints CYGWIN_NT-<number> like it does here :-)
< 1221496663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every other OS
< 1221496689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Note:
< 1221496689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       Think  twice before using this function. Use the filename module if you want to inspect or build file names in a porta-
< 1221496689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       ble way. Avoid matching on the Osname atom.
< 1221496707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so well I say that / is native in *erlang*
< 1221496721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I define ERTS (Erlang RunTime System) to be my OS
< 1221496721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221496724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved
< 1221496730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm beginning to be a bit inspired to write perfectly portable float -> int and int -> float convertors
< 1221496734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which copy the bit pattern using arithmetic
< 1221496740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err erlang only got double
< 1221496743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not float
< 1221496750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, same thing
< 1221496754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same thing
< 1221496756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the same idea I mean
< 1221496775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I *think* the format of it is IEEE 7xx (whatever, can't remember the number) but not sure if implementation/OS defined
< 1221496776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not
< 1221496787 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 754
< 1221496792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah yes
< 1221496800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1221496810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: everything uses IEEE-format floating point in practice nowadays
< 1221496813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even gcc-bf
< 1221496822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the easiest format to get hold of soft-float libraries for
< 1221496825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well something could use x87 ones
< 1221496831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "system native"
< 1221496869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no I can't find out native path separator in any way it seems
< 1221496908 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how would I convert a path to native
< 1221496920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not without building a fake filename, translating to native format, and then looking at some specific index in the string, and that would be error-prone since some OS use a totally different format
< 1221496922 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in erlang
< 1221496944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, filename:nativename("string").
< 1221496957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Converts Path to a form accepted by the command shell and native applications on the current platform.  On  Win-
< 1221496957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    dows,  forward  slashes  is  converted  to backward slashes. On all platforms, the name is normalized as done by
< 1221496957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    join/1.
< 1221496958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1221496961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about OS 9?
< 1221496965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses stuff like:
< 1221496978 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can you push / on OS 9?
< 1221496984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macintosh HD:Folder:SubFolder:file
< 1221496998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, point is in all cases erlang will handle it transparently from my point of view
< 1221497015 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: slashes would work on OS 9? O_o
< 1221497038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, nop
< 1221497052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I don't know if there is still any erlang implementation for OS 9
< 1221497055 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so you can't push /
< 1221497058 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with y
< 1221497059 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on OS 9
< 1221497060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure one existed at some point
< 1221497067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no but erlang would convert it
< 1221497068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :internally
< 1221497075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it did with / on windows
< 1221497078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://erlang.org/doc/man/filename.html
< 1221497082 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, so "slashes would work on OS_9? O_o" is true
< 1221497091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://erlang.org/doc/man/file.html
< 1221497097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes in erlang
< 1221497105 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what about if you have a file called / in OS 9
< 1221497113 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that possible?)
< 1221497120 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a file containing / in its name
< 1221497144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm don't remember, iirc it wasn't legal
< 1221497149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was ages ago
< 1221497205 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mac allows all except a colon (though a forward slash, /, can cause issues for POSIX paths)."
< 1221497208 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says the Internet.
< 1221497222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm didn't they change it in OS 9.1 or so
< 1221497227 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Internet also says that with some C compilers/runtimes on OS 9, /s work in fopen/friends.
< 1221497231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for forward compatiblity with OS X
< 1221497234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they did
< 1221497238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would make sense.
< 1221497256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it was years ago I used macs
< 1221497287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway as far as I can tell, letting erlang handle what path separator is actually used is more portable
< 1221497297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the point of erlang runtime
< 1221497352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but I guess efunge works under windows or?
< 1221497413 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know?
< 1221497415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, to give it arguments from the shell you could use efunge:start("foo.b98", ["a", "b"]).
< 1221497421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh you had erlang installed anyway?
< 1221497424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221497427 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221497518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Windows, all functions return file names with forward slashes only, even if the arguments contain back slashes. Use join/1 to normalize a file name by removing redundant directory separators."
< 1221497520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1221497525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the filename module man page
< 1221497562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except nativename() I assume
< 1221497575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, or what did filename:nativename() return for you?
< 1221497595 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nativename("/") was "\\"
< 1221497625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and it is meant for when you want to send off the path to an external tool, as far as I can tell
< 1221497654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the other functions return with forward slashes even on windows I assume that is what erlang prefer internally
< 1221497727 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what I'd do is nativename(join("foo", "bar")) and get what's between foo and bar :-P
< 1221497759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I define my OS to be Erlang, I will make = evaluate erlang, won't use os:system()
< 1221497774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because I don't think you could claim it was invalid :P
< 1221497786 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, no
< 1221497790 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I can manage to break it ;-)
< 1221497813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well of course you use any = for breaking commands
< 1221497821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf /path/to/interpreter
< 1221497822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1221497834 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I meant was finding a case where \ would work and / doesn't
< 1221497850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0"ibcc 9- llallik"=
< 1221497854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :killall -9 ccbi
< 1221497867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and why would you want to do that?
< 1221497867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, in erlang
< 1221497874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm? do what?
< 1221497880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :killall -9 ccbi
< 1221497889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "<Deewiant> unless I can manage to break it ;-)" "<AnMaster> Deewiant, well of course you use any = for breaking commands"
< 1221497893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely ccbi shouldn't need the -9 to kill?
< 1221497893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an example
< 1221497899 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 2008-09-15 18:57:14 ( Deewiant) what I meant was finding a case where \ would work and / doesn't
< 1221497903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1221497913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, tell me if you do
< 1221497924 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care enough to bother trying :-P
< 1221497927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway as efunge doesn't currently implement i or o
< 1221498077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221498203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm eval in erlang looks tricky
< 1221498275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems you have to call several functions on the string: erl_scan functions to tokenise it, then erl_parse functions to get a parse tree, finally erl_eval functions
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< 1221498464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221498481 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1221500376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't say i believe that anyone can actually create computers.
< 1221500382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they most likely always were
< 1221500430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean?
< 1221500447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think about it, no one can make anything that small
< 1221500455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible
< 1221500457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can
< 1221500464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using tools
< 1221500473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the original computers were huge
< 1221500485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tools must be made as well.
< 1221500517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe you can make huge computers, yes
< 1221500548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i wish there was a book about how a computer is actually made, from scratch, but not for dummies, a book that actually explains each and every detail
< 1221500582 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently i have a massive body of knowledge about circuit design and digital logic, but i have no idea how the fuck these things are actually made
< 1221500609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you wondering about how things like ICs are made?
< 1221500613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i care, now that i think about it
< 1221500619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it's done using chemistry and light
< 1221500643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221500652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want details
< 1221502591 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling the details are going to be somewhat complicated when the line width goes below 100 nm. Lithography itself is reasonably understandable, though.
< 1221502677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically there are various light-sensitive chemicals
< 1221502691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be washed away in a particular acid if they've been exposed to light, but not otherwise
< 1221502713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to make a chip all you need is to be able to place p-type and n-type silicon in arbitrary positions in 3D
< 1221502721 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1221502762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you start out with a block of p-type (for instance), then protect it with a light-sensitive chemical, use optics to expose it to light in a certain pattern, wash away the exposed chemical, then fill the atmosphere with something that turns p-type into n-type
< 1221502794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get a 3d pattern rather than just 2d, you continue this alternating between p-type and n-type, and doing it faster each time so the p-type/n-type flip doesn't go as deep each time
< 1221502875 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot wot
< 1221502890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: I was replying, very late, to oklopol
< 1221502895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and btw hi optbot, hi fungot
< 1221502896 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was evoli whom you introduced to begin, i think
< 1221502896 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm blaming the world
< 1221504227 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221504439 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221506568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could believe it if it's done with light
< 1221506583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i can imagine ways to make light patterns smaller
< 1221506642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not visible wavelengths though
< 1221506656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they normally use ultraviolet, not too sure about that though
< 1221506665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would make sense
< 1221506727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine they have something like a reverse microscope, to scale the pattern down to chip size
< 1221506789 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it all seems trivial
< 1221506791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1221506813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'd like to know details out of interest, not out of doubting the existance of computers
< 1221506837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be fun to have built a computer from scratch
< 1221506868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder how many manhours that would take if you know exactly what to do
< 1221507071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is wikipedia down? en.wikipedia.org times out for me
< 1221507081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: let me check
< 1221507093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well google cache will work for now
< 1221507118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's up, just slow
< 1221508042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: anyone else who cares: I found a brilliantly appropriate format in which to distribute C-INTERCAL
< 1221508046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compressed .pax
< 1221508046 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1221508049 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut?
< 1221508058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of it?
< 1221508058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wut
< 1221508059 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221508062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221508069 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably perfect
< 1221508071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they removed tar from the POSIX standard
< 1221508074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put in pax in its place
< 1221508078 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? when?
< 1221508080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2001
< 1221508083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why
< 1221508086 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_(Unix)
< 1221508092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to address some of the deficiencies with tar
< 1221508101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's forward-compatible so it can be read with a tar reader
< 1221508116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nobody will actually have any trouble decoding the paxball once they know that method works
< 1221508135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only practical difference is that the files' ctimes are recorded, in the case of C-INTERCAL
< 1221508166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although pax is a lot more versatile than that
< 1221508169 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with tar
< 1221508172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it allows unlimited-length filenames
< 1221508211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: filenames limited to 99 characters, some information about the file not recorded, GNU tar not actually conforming to the standard?
< 1221508220 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meh
< 1221508221 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough
< 1221508224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, not by default
< 1221508231 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I guess you should be using pax too, right?
< 1221508232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can generate pax though, nowadays
< 1221508242 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ooh, i don't think he can respond to that one
< 1221508247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's the great part, everyone /ought/ to be using pax, nobody does though
< 1221508247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fits him perfectly
< 1221508252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ?
< 1221508265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it's totally unusual, and fits the spirit of INTERCAL very nicelt
< 1221508267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/t$/y/
< 1221508281 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: see above discussion
< 1221508291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, is it important? I'm kind of busy
< 1221508293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: had you heard of pax before today?
< 1221508297 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: very
< 1221508298 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: everybody /ought/ to be using INTERCAL, nobody does though? ;-)
< 1221508301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not really
< 1221508306 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, ais523
< 1221508310 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's very important
< 1221508317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: INTERCAL isn't a POSIX standard, neither is tar, pax is
< 1221508324 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I had, hadn't paid much attention to it though if I had
< 1221508337 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure I had but I couldn't remember without a wikipedia lookup
< 1221508337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably most people don't go around reading man 5 tar in their spare time
< 1221508360 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just poking fun at the way it fits in the spirit of INTERCAL :-)
< 1221508384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automake have heard of it, although it isn't the default; unfortunately they put .tar.gz/.tar.bz2/tar.lzma extensions on so as not to confuse people, but I'll fix that
< 1221508395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: by being unlike all other programming languages is the original spirit
< 1221508409 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: loads of languages use automake
< 1221508413 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write your own build system in c
< 1221508414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the modern spirit is "by being unlike all other programming languages in a way that the other programming languages can reasonably be claimed to be incorrect"
< 1221508418 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uses setjmp
< 1221508423 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1221508424 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no setjmp
< 1221508425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just longjmp
< 1221508427 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: why not in INTERCAL?
< 1221508427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's a custom tweaked automake
< 1221508438 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that would be quite thoroughly difficult
< 1221508442 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but that's more intercally
< 1221508443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: INTERCAL needs special extensions to be able to do file handling and invoke other programs
< 1221508459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the whole thing would be written in extensions, which is not the point
< 1221508462 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :longjmp without setjmp <3
< 1221508469 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner <3
< 1221508472 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT
< 1221508499 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :love at first "The program has executed a very large jump." popup
< 1221508530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worrying thing is that under gcc it's possible to fake a jmp_buf in a way that will work to some extent on a lot of systems
< 1221508578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes something like {auto char c; jb[0]=__builtin_frame_pointer(0); jb[1]=(&c)-1; jb[2]=&&label; label: ;}
< 1221508588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you'd be mad to try anything of the sort in production code
< 1221508589 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my word
< 1221508594 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is brilliant
< 1221508598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: put that into c intercal
< 1221508614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: this is the sort of knowledge you get after playing around with the internals of gcc for several weeks
< 1221508618 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, set that as your quit message
< 1221508626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, though, I wouldn't give it more than a 50/50 chance of working
< 1221508653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as I've probably messed up somewhere
< 1221508659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... that -1 should be +1 on x86, I think
< 1221508668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly +4, depending on alignment
< 1221508677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably make c a long long to avoid problems with that
< 1221509057 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, segfaults for me :P
< 1221509077 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the function is apparently called __builtin_frame_address rather than pointer
< 1221509081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes
< 1221509088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not at all surprised at that segfault
< 1221509106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all I know I got the elements of that in the wrong order
< 1221509114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try swapping 1 and 2, I'm pretty sure about 0
< 1221509141 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm on x86_64 :P
< 1221509150 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does do the same when compiled with -m32
< 1221509175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe I'll research a corrected version that at least works on x86
< 1221509398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm also on x86_64
< 1221509415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is horribly implementation defined, or undefined
< 1221509418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was meant to be portable to a whole range of processors, most likely I messed it up somewhere
< 1221509421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I know it is
< 1221509424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was kind-of the point
< 1221509436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally you'd just use setjmp
< 1221509463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, normally I wouldn't mess with either setjmp or longjmp
< 1221509466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think every single statement of that, apart from the auto char c and the null statement at the end, is undefined
< 1221509477 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love it when AnMaster nitpicks about portability, readable & maintainable code, etc. when we're messing around with stuff in #esoteric
< 1221509496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, maybe it is some sort of meta-esotericness?
< 1221509496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think it's useful to nitpick about that normally, but my code was intentionally awful
< 1221509507 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course - normally
< 1221509510 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're in #esoteric
< 1221509518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I see it is something you shouldn't do
< 1221509524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even with lots of doxygen comments.
< 1221509525 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unreadable, unmaintainable and unportable code is a holy grail
< 1221509536 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see! now he's ranting about decent documentation
< 1221509538 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ
< 1221509549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you need a new sarcasm detector
< 1221509554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your must be worn out
< 1221509590 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your breed of sarcasm is neither funny, has any hint of sarcasm being in it at all (seeing as most of the time it's your actual opinion backed up from previous times) and is merely annoying
< 1221509648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking to yourself?
< 1221509674 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1221509684 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'AnMaster:' <- this is a magical little thing that lets you know who I'm talking to
< 1221509697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please you two, calm down
< 1221509701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes I assumed it was some weird mistab
< 1221509708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have to research a fixed setjmp-by-hand
< 1221509715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to quell this argument somewhat
< 1221509725 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, i've dealt with anmaster's annoyance for many months now and it's just pissing me off
< 1221509733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you think I like readable code, how do you explain this then:
< 1221509735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set(Fungespace, #fip{offX = OffX, offY = OffY}, {X,Y}, V) ->
< 1221509735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	set(Fungespace, {X+OffX, Y+OffY}, V).
< 1221509746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call that readable, yet I wrote it and I'm happy with it
< 1221509747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that is readable compared to half the stuff I write
< 1221509750 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: except i have seen people actually find my sarcasm funny, always is exaggerated so you can tell it is sarcasm
< 1221509755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is not generally annoying
< 1221509760 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that code is perfectly readable
< 1221509764 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not imperative code.
< 1221509791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed it isn't
< 1221509843 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't have a problem with this if it wasn't completely impossible to /ignore AnMaster properly seeing as there is regularly discussion with him of which at least one side is interesting
< 1221509859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say the same about tusho
< 1221509860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1221509874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you two seem to get into different sorts of discussions really
< 1221509882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we need to split #esoteric into two
< 1221509892 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hilarious that I was actually the one who invited AnMaster to #esoteic
< 1221509895 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*esoteric
< 1221509910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you're both credits to #esoteric; at least, /I/ enjoy both sorts of discussion
< 1221509912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may have been
< 1221509917 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is definitely
< 1221509918 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall it
< 1221509924 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were in #bash asking about your brainfuck impl
< 1221509938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tusho gets annoyed when I have long interesting discussions with AnMaster and considers my half interesting but infuriating due to the lack of context and AnMaster's half annoying
< 1221509938 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked some stuff about it and helped a bit in /msg, invited you to #esoteric, and then a few months later you just started being incredibly annoying
< 1221509942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what nick were you using then?
< 1221509947 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ehird`.
< 1221509949 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ehird
< 1221509951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221509967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh?
< 1221510005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm trying to remember when it was
< 1221510017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it was about some Befunge implementation, most likely cfunge
< 1221510077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which you like right? it seems tusho hates it though
< 1221510086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I like it
< 1221510140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ccbi has a nicer name
< 1221510143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I actually timed it on life.bf (befunge93 game of life) and cfunge is way faster than any other funge98 I found so far, I guess a dedicated befunge93 with a static 80*25 array would be faster
< 1221510171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all built with -march=k8 -msse3 -O2
< 1221510184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ccbi I had to use Deewiant's build for though
< 1221510195 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1221510525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1221510529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd troll in #erlang
< 1221510533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he/she just says
< 1221510534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang
< 1221510538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every few minutes
< 1221510542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot?
< 1221510551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no responded with "trolls live in Norway"
< 1221510552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such
< 1221510592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no timestamps but see "potar" in http://rafb.net/p/RJkQJY27.html
< 1221510724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ <-- why?
< 1221510739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he goes on like that
< 1221510744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*me is xxxx. -> why are you xxxx? is actually not that improbable
< 1221510761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ELIZA, IRC version?
< 1221510761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that got some java script...
< 1221510766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with "YUP" in it
< 1221510767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1221510773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noscript blocked it
< 1221510776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: same here
< 1221510782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can look at the source if you really want to
< 1221510789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it checks a variable to see if the world's ended
< 1221510797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221510815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see why anyone would go to the trouble of registering the domain in the first place
< 1221510825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a joke?
< 1221510830 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, www.vjn.fi/domains
< 1221510836 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the fun of it
< 1221510855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* potar has quit (K-lined)
< 1221510855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1221510871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is K-lining?
< 1221510882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a friend who got a k-line on freenode by explicitly asking for one for about a week
< 1221510897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being killed by the server admins as opposed to being kickbanned from a channel?
< 1221510908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why?
< 1221510914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, same as g-line
< 1221510925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, like a ban from the whole network
< 1221510927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that isn't very helpful as I don't know what either is
< 1221510929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on ip
< 1221510929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221510937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k-line on freenode is whole network
< 1221510946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on traditional networks k-line was server-local
< 1221510950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and g-line global
< 1221510957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must do something pretty bad to annoy the opers like that
< 1221510982 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in quakenet, you just have to connect 5 times from the same ip
< 1221510991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a staffer joined just before, I guess he (yes I know that staffer is a he) banned after he saw the spamming
< 1221511003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1221511012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought channel kickbans were more common than server k-lines though
< 1221511025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably on multiple channels spamming the channel name
< 1221511032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric
< 1221511038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric
< 1221511039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps ais523
< 1221511043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry...
< 1221511061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1221511061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how long an ELIZAbot would last in a high-traffic channel if it tried to reply to everyone
< 1221511065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably that
< 1221511087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i just realized the domains page says "volimo's homepage", i smell copy paste
< 1221511095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sendq or recvq exceeded? or if it rate limited itself, would lag several hours
< 1221511132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I seriously doubt it would overflow the sendq, if it did then the same would happen to everyone else in the channel
< 1221511137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they're all receiving the same things
< 1221511164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err I just didn't remember if it was send/recv from client or server point of view they were named after
< 1221511187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :server point of view
< 1221511198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I did /who on Freenode once by mistake
< 1221511214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it managed several screenfuls of channels before killing me, though
< 1221511283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about excess floods?
< 1221511288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes
< 1221511303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, what would happen if you put an ELIZAbot in, say, #ubuntu, which replied to every message
< 1221511321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1221511328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the current traffic, probably nothing
< 1221511341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, say it's the release day of Intrepid
< 1221511346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to guarantee high traffic
< 1221511353 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my stack layout seems quite insane here, &c isn't even *near* the stack pointer
< 1221511355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in quakenet, a full message can be sent every 7 seconds without excess flood
< 1221511361 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*6 seconds
< 1221511369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that could explain why it isn't working, to some extent
< 1221511380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 second delay gives may get you killed.
< 1221511401 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode lets you send a bit faster, since this is a relatively small network
< 1221511408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's no reason, more like a heuristic
< 1221511463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could send at least 3 responses to everything on #ubuntu without getting excess flood killed
< 1221511476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so not a floodkill
< 1221511489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long do you think it would take for the people there to get annoyed and find a chanop and kill the bot?
< 1221511496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about a minute :)
< 1221511539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Are you a bot?" "Would you like me to be a bot?2
< 1221511543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/2$/"/
< 1221511551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make it obvious pretty quickly, I imagine
< 1221511563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i asked for a mips expert, where you here, ais523
< 1221511574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, but I'm not a mips expert
< 1221511579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1221511582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I was I would have said GregorR was and I wasn't
< 1221511594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least GregorR reimplemented mips in JS, which has got to be worth something
< 1221511595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the redirection i was given
< 1221511615 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but GregorR is not active, so i had to recheck.
< 1221511682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do know mips quite well now, read the most of computer organization and design last week, and it introduces mips pretty thoroughly
< 1221511687 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, even with the use of the proper register offsets into the jmp_buf (which are 3, 4 and 5 for bp, sp, ip), and adding an arbitrary offset to &c, it still seems to go haywire
< 1221511710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't actually need any help, i guess i'm just asking out of interest
< 1221511718 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1221511724 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a parody of isitchristmas.com
< 1221511730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I didn't know that
< 1221511731 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has parodies such as isxkcdshittytoday.com
< 1221511740 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and isbarackobamaamuslim.com
< 1221511741 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc
< 1221511744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why is a website needed to tell people if it's christmas?
< 1221511748 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's funny
< 1221511750 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a joke
< 1221511764 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's absurd, yet funny because it's so overblown
< 1221511767 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all these have rss feeds
< 1221511769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look
< 1221511784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: how often do they get new entries? Once a year?
< 1221511788 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no
< 1221511788 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every day
< 1221511800 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for isitchristmas, NO or YES
< 1221511802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isxkcdshittytoday says yes :o
< 1221511802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, twice a year for isitchristmas
< 1221511805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for isxkcdshittytoday.com always YES
< 1221511805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just wrong
< 1221511814 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ - well you can guess
< 1221511825 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hasthelhcdestroyedtheworld.com/ <-- someone else got the idea
< 1221511832 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1221511834 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong one
< 1221511839 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here
< 1221511840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/
< 1221511852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of them...
< 1221511863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION almost faints in horror at the idiocy of the Internet
< 1221511867 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: idiocy?
< 1221511869 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarity
< 1221511869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I genuinely feel a bit sick now
< 1221511882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221511886 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with you, generally you love pointless ideas carried out to a huge maximum
< 1221511889 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, er, intercal
< 1221511901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: they have to be interesting pointless ideas carried out to a huge maximum
< 1221511910 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: an rss feed is a pretty huge maximum
< 1221511923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like http://notalwaysblue.com/ (javascript required).
< 1221511927 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not always blue.
< 1221511928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, doing it more than once is not funny
< 1221511934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not one person
< 1221511936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original is possibly a good idea
< 1221511937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why exactly is INTERCAL not LR(N)?
< 1221511940 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all different people
< 1221511945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I wrote an essay about it
< 1221511947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me link you to it
< 1221511987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, thanks
< 1221511996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.eso-std.org/c-intercal/pit/tests/arrtest.doc
< 1221512000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually a text file
< 1221512006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extension is misleading the web server for some reason
< 1221512007 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna register http://alwaysblue.com/
< 1221512009 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its squatted
< 1221512017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know exactly the reason
< 1221512018 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221512058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that site is not even usually blue
< 1221512061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO it ought to be
< 1221512067 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, that's the joke
< 1221512070 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it focuses on the blue for no reason
< 1221512073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything has a chance
< 1221512080 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is 'not always blue'
< 1221512089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ever blue?
< 1221512098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't check the list of colours quickly enough
< 1221512098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221512102 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221512128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway, quick summary:
< 1221512135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO .1 <- ,3SUB",2SUB.1".2 (reduce required)
< 1221512141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO .1 <- ,3SUB",2SUB.1".2~.3"".4 (shift required))
< 1221512159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's possible to put an arbitrary expression in place of .3
< 1221512164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see
< 1221512173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, doing this sort of thing is actually against the spec
< 1221512181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is?
< 1221512184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically says "you mustn't do anything which makes the language not LR(1)"
< 1221512196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that amused me when I read it...
< 1221512219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO .1 <- ,3SUB",2SUB.1".2~.3"".4 (shift required))
< 1221512221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1221512223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two )?
< 1221512229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1221512231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I see
< 1221512235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: bad copy-and-paste, sorry
< 1221512239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not at all
< 1221512245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an ( the line above
< 1221512248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it matches
< 1221512253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I didn't copy the line above
< 1221512254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It could be the start of this statement:
< 1221512254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1221512254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO .1 <- ,3SUB",2SUB.1".2~.3"".4 (shift required))
< 1221512258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they match
< 1221512272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it matches in the orginal but not my paste here, which is why I said "bad copy and paste"
< 1221512290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I meant the original
< 1221512297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1221512297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I misread
< 1221512321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, apart from this, what prevents it from being LALR(1)?
< 1221512333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing, it's just the array syntax
< 1221512336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else is fin
< 1221512339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/e/
< 1221512353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> which basically says "you mustn't do anything which makes the language not LR(1)" <-- didn't that mean LALR then?
< 1221512364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could mean either really
< 1221512372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they express the restriction in very vague terms
< 1221512374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well iirc LALR is simpler
< 1221512383 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, LALR is a subset of LR, right?
< 1221512388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much impossible to know what it means until you try to implement INTERCAL yourself, or have someone explain it to you...
< 1221512430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how can " be both "sparks" and "ears"?
< 1221512439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err spark* and ears
< 1221512453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" is ears, ' is spark
< 1221512459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1221512465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no requirement to use one or the other except in the case of array indexing
< 1221512478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how is there a conflict if ' is spark
< 1221512482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you have to alternate to avoid that little bit of parsing trickiness
< 1221512484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could just see if it was ' or "
< 1221512498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the point is that you have to choose either ' or " to avoid the conflict
< 1221512506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in most expressions you can just use " everywhere
< 1221512519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have the same meaning?
< 1221512520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :".1~".2~".3~.4""" is a perfectly legal INTERCAL expression
< 1221512522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep
< 1221512526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is?
< 1221512536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it isn't quote
< 1221512540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's parens
< 1221512547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1221512553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.1~(.2~(.3~.4)))
< 1221512561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and . and ~ are?
< 1221512564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL parens are nondirectional, thus causing the current notational confusion
< 1221512575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. is a sigil to denote a 16-bit variable, like $ in Perl
< 1221512582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ~ is the select operator, which is a pain to explain
< 1221512597 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nondirectional? ( and ) are interchangeable?
< 1221512608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: they're both " in INTERCAL, or alternatively '
< 1221512610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :".1~".2~".3~.4""" <-- if they are like ( and ), there is no way you can handle that with one symbol lookahead
< 1221512613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" can only match " an ' can only match '
< 1221512614 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, amusing
< 1221512626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there is, the trick is to see whether there's an operator or number immediately before them
< 1221512627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you wouldn't know if it was a closing on a opening one on a new level
< 1221512637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh?
< 1221512642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you close then?
< 1221512642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work in arrays though because they can have multiple expressions in a row
< 1221512651 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 3( is invalid and +) is invalid, I guess
< 1221512656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221512661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was referring to
< 1221512671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, except intercal doesn't have addition iirc
< 1221512676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like we define it
< 1221512679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, five operators
< 1221512682 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng19-0-0-cust700.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221512684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of which are particularly standard
< 1221512687 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, you know what I meant
< 1221512693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, select being the worst one?
< 1221512701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: select is probably the hardest to explain
< 1221512704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the most useful though
< 1221512706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other ones are?
< 1221512711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only one known to have been invented independently
< 1221512720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, $ is mingle, that alternates bits in its arguments
< 1221512744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, iirc I read that select matched some operator on some other existing system though it was unknown by the intercal inventors
< 1221512753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds familiar
< 1221512762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. #5$#2 is 101$10 which is 100110 which is 38
< 1221512770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, that's from the Wikipedia article
< 1221512773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err,,, bitwise not?
< 1221512781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what are you saying?
< 1221512793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it takes two arguments
< 1221512802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwise xor?
< 1221512810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes the first bit of the first, then the first bit of the second, then the second bit of the first, then the second bit of the second, and so on
< 1221512818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until all the bits have been copied into a new number
< 1221512820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see
< 1221512825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interleave them
< 1221512827 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that all?
< 1221512827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1221512828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's trivial
< 1221512840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that's what $ does, and it isn't all that powerful
< 1221512855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other operators?
< 1221512856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there are unary AND, OR, and XOR, which work on alternate bits of their arguments
< 1221512861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/alternate/consecutive/
< 1221512866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221512878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's the first bit AND the second, the second AND the third, and so on
< 1221512882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1221512893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that you have the last AND the first filling in the very top bit
< 1221512906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're written & V ? in C-INTERCAL
< 1221512909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :respectively
< 1221512917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to explain select anyway, it's probably the most useful
< 1221512925 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, isn't $ select
< 1221512927 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221512928 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mingle
< 1221512929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: $ is mingle
< 1221512932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ is select
< 1221512937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so select is the complex useful one
< 1221512942 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'll implement $
< 1221512951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, haha
< 1221512963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I seen a diagram which wasn't useful at all
< 1221512973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that diagram's a joke AFAICT
< 1221513002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, to calculate .1 ~ .2, you work out the bitwise-and of .1 and .2, then stable-sort the bits of the result by the bits of .2
< 1221513002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The program arrtest.i will not actually run, but it will compile as far as degenerating C code" <-- "degenerating"?
< 1221513024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: INTERCALese for "generate", they tend to mess around with words like that if it doesn't cost too many extra characters
< 1221513048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stable-sort the bits of the result by the bits of the second operand.... um wait what?
< 1221513058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean all 0 first, then all 1?
< 1221513061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it
< 1221513066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, you can't implement mingle without knowing how many bits in an int, right?
< 1221513076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: correct, but it's always 16 in INTERCAL
< 1221513083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, sizeof(int) * CHAT_BIT in C
< 1221513084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 16 before the mingle, 32 afterwards
< 1221513085 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, i'll just require that then
< 1221513098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what are you writing this for?
< 1221513101 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: c
< 1221513108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL has both 16- and 32-bit datatypes but you aren't allowed to mingle 32-bit values
< 1221513113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221513119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what program I mean
< 1221513122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need it
< 1221513133 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't
< 1221513163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what sorting algorithm does ick use for select?
< 1221513182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume some custom one would actually be fastest here
< 1221513193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think it's custom
< 1221513206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can look it up, the implementation of the forward operators is one of the bits I never touched though
< 1221513218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be O(n) with O(2n) for memory
< 1221513232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait maybe not
< 1221513242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be if one was reversed stable sort
< 1221513250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you filled in from each end
< 1221513264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well the only possible digits in binary are 0 and 1
< 1221513268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes the sorting a lot faster
< 1221513272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 0 AND anything is 0
< 1221513276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1221513277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that can also be used to optimise the result
< 1221513333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the source for the original intercal compiler around any more?
< 1221513350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OK, I checked, basically it just scans the second argument looking for 1s, and copies corresponding values from the first argument to the result
< 1221513354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty simple, really
< 1221513370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, except it saves time by bitshifting the arguments around on occasion
< 1221513379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not as far as I know
< 1221513383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah so O(n) and O(2n) for memory?
< 1221513392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, there was an interview with the original creator
< 1221513392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n) for complexity I mean
< 1221513396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where n is number of bits
< 1221513402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1221513412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it turned out that they didn't implement integers as integers at all
< 1221513422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they implemented them as strings holding the binary representation of the number
< 1221513426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and manipulated them with regexen
< 1221513427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeargh
< 1221513433 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it was in SNOBOL, iirc
< 1221513436 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that would have been natural
< 1221513438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hm
< 1221513440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1221513444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: SPITBOL, a dialect of SNOBOL, but yes
< 1221513456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still that would have been slow, and very very slow on those old computers
< 1221513462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was
< 1221513478 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: duh
< 1221513481 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it matter
< 1221513528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, why do you care?
< 1221513540 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because i really don't get why you're bothered by stuff like that
< 1221513546 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares if intercal programs run fast?
< 1221513549 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it an issue?
< 1221513554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it was an issue
< 1221513564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: actually part of the charm of C-INTERCAL is trying to get INTERCAL to run fast
< 1221513576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go
< 1221513584 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but nobody would fault it if it failed
< 1221513592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it does fail to some extent
< 1221513600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a lot faster than CLC-INTERCAL
< 1221513604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably a bit faster than J-INTERCAL
< 1221513666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does ick use SSA internally or?
< 1221513679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it maps each INTERCAL variable to a C variable
< 1221513688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl, emerg
< 1221514067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1221514097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about other stuff, common sub-expression elimination and such?
< 1221514103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: when you find out how bad INTERCAL control flow is normally, you'll see why
< 1221514113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh hm?
< 1221514124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the sort of optimisations C-INTERCAL do are mostly manipulating the INTERCAL to make it more C-like
< 1221514130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221514137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some CSE involved, but normally that can be left to the C compiler when the code's C-like enough
< 1221514173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSE meaning?
< 1221514180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :common subexpression elimination
< 1221514183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1221514195 0 :comexk!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221514206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ever thought about compiling to native code?
< 1221514219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a bit, if I did I'd do it as a gcc frontend
< 1221514226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it works well compiling to C
< 1221514228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not llvm frontend?
< 1221514266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the intermediate formats used by C-INTERCAL and by GCC are pretty similar
< 1221514310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i may have killed you
< 1221514315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[    You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
< 1221514315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
< 1221514315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
< 1221514315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]
< 1221514316 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought:
< 1221514318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how?
< 1221514321 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the FSF move offices?
< 1221514327 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't they be violating the GPL or something?
< 1221514336 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: was watching death note, and decided to try out whether notepad has the same power
< 1221514345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, didn't they at some point?
< 1221514350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it would certainly make for a good Slashdot story
< 1221514356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were the only one on #esoteric the name and face of whose i could immediately recall
< 1221514361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GPL is no-derivs so we couldn't even change it
< 1221514369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I'm still alive I think
< 1221514374 0 :comexk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 seconds \o/
< 1221514379 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe death note has a time limit thing
< 1221514381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221514382 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 hours or something?
< 1221514384 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't actually watched it
< 1221514387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should've died already
< 1221514388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oaky
< 1221514388 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 seconds IIRC
< 1221514390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*okay
< 1221514397 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't watched it either, read it though
< 1221514397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the microsoft dudes didn't add tat feature
< 1221514399 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creepy that oklopol knows ais523's face by heart, though
< 1221514399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that
< 1221514399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :death note is?
< 1221514400 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221514406 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 seconds in the tv series
< 1221514406 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: manga/anime thing.
< 1221514408 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: manga/anime/live-action movie
< 1221514412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, tusho: I seen another address in older copies of GPL with different address
< 1221514416 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anime yeah
< 1221514417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1221514424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh dear
< 1221514426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is amused
< 1221514430 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I wonder why they always change stuff like that
< 1221514431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, forwarding I assume
< 1221514434 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "over 9000"
< 1221514437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i know yours too, but ais523's nick was the one i saw first
< 1221514437 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 8000 in the manga
< 1221514444 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's OVER 8000
< 1221514446 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sorry
< 1221514446 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1221514447 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that
< 1221514449 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 8000 in the japanese
< 1221514452 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: creepier
< 1221514452 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221514453 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 9000 in the english dub
< 1221514454 0 :comexk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1221514455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: in an anime the time actually *matters*
< 1221514458 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the manga it's not even said
< 1221514464 0 :comexk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the full version of even the english, he says "it's over 8000... over nine" to himself
< 1221514465 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i bet apple added death note functionality to TextEdit, since they rock so much
< 1221514470 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's not like it's accurate anyway
< 1221514473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you are making no sense
< 1221514474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1221514483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of inconsistencies
< 1221514484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is due to not watching manga or anime
< 1221514488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my style
< 1221514490 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you may die in 30 seconds of choking on your computer
< 1221514497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: TextEdit is one of the few applications that can actually open OOXML
< 1221514505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it does so by just extracting the text, I think
< 1221514516 0 :comexk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you just have to unzip it like odt
< 1221514521 0 :comexk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, textmate
< 1221514530 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :death note is the only anime i've watched
< 1221514531 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comexk: i use textmate :p
< 1221514539 0 :comexk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't
< 1221514541 0 :comexk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cracked it once though
< 1221514543 0 :comexk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it costs money
< 1221514546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've tried to watch a few other, but it's impossible
< 1221514548 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i assume the death notey code kind of has high licensing fees.
< 1221514550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oters
< 1221514550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
< 1221514553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*others
< 1221514556 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i doubt the textmate dev would have it
< 1221514557 0 :comexk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's nice to know how to use a disassembler and be able to crack your own software
< 1221514563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple probably do which is why i tried textedit
< 1221514568 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: impossible? :-P
< 1221514571 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is actually dead now
< 1221514576 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he says anything its just what he said before death
< 1221514579 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has like a 5 year lag
< 1221514597 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine as long as the responses are topical
< 1221514602 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so that when he is talking about his death
< 1221514605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pleading for help
< 1221514614 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we all call up the emergency services
< 1221514618 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we learn that he has been dead for 5 years
< 1221514622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNN
< 1221514642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: impossible, they simply tend to suck
< 1221514661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, lucky star was awesome :)
< 1221514667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i haven't dl'd that yet
< 1221514677 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how are you talking about things from the future?
< 1221514694 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is late 2003 right now for your messages that we are getting
< 1221514694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i'm a pythonist
< 1221514706 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: from __future__ import anime?
< 1221514710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import("__future__").socket
< 1221514729 0 :comexk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail
< 1221514742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it?
< 1221514743 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: meh, you're just watching the wrong ones
< 1221514745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tests
< 1221514774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comexk: true, sorry
< 1221514777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__import__ of course
< 1221514790 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both had __'s, so i naturally got confused
< 1221514903 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second
< 1221514907 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex in here?
< 1221514909 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's new
< 1221514954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old
< 1221514955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1221514973 0 :comexk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I joined so I could see your mingle thingy
< 1221514984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comexk: e pasted it to me in a PM
< 1221514990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: paste it in-channel!
< 1221514998 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221514999 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1221515003 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1203677
< 1221515008 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is bugged, the last two expressions are messed
< 1221515013 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need moar nummers in the *
< 1221515016 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah that's the basic idea
< 1221515023 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slower than c-intercal's, but easy to understand
< 1221515034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, nice one, and unreadable
< 1221515041 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, readable
< 1221515046 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to know what it's trying to do
< 1221515052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, not on a 80 char wide terminal no
< 1221515055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is unreadable then
< 1221515056 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1221515061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could wrap it but i generated that code
< 1221515069 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not the point
< 1221515076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: C-INTERCAL's mingle is beautifully readable
< 1221515081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a bit non-obvious how it works
< 1221515108 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's the thing
< 1221515114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you agree tusho' unrolled one is unreadable?
< 1221515114 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is less readable structurally wise
< 1221515117 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is more obvious how it works
< 1221515124 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: c-intercal's is more unrolled
< 1221515124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I agree with you
< 1221515134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just read the first few expressions
< 1221515134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is obviously speed crazy since he unrolled the loop
< 1221515138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the idea of how it works
< 1221515139 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | more ideas are swimming through my head than I can clearly keep track of; that generally means its night time for me. I'll have some more glypho fluff tomorrow though, to be sure!
< 1221515144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, that's stupid
< 1221515158 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is you can look at the first few expressions and see the algorithm
< 1221515164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C-INTERCAL's is a common-subexpression-eliminated version of mingle, which stores parts of the expressions in parts of the word
< 1221515233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, if I had done that you would have said it was speed crazy and unreadable
< 1221515238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no i wouldn't have
< 1221515246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a hypocrite
< 1221515247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1221515249 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i am not
< 1221515255 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not judge code based on who wrote it
< 1221515262 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just so happens that yours is pretty consistent in its ugh-ness
< 1221515263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do
< 1221515282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> no, readable <AnMaster> ais523, do you agree tusho' unrolled one is unreadable? <ais523> AnMaster: yes, I agree with you
< 1221515284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1221515286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two against one
< 1221515292 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ot
< 1221515295 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it's not a fucking battle
< 1221515305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to treat it that way normally
< 1221515306 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't give a shit how many people think my code is readable, because it is and I am prepared to justify that
< 1221515333 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, i don't know where you are getting the delusions but I have never cared what people think of your code, i attack it purely by myself and if other people agree that is irrelevant
< 1221515335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's too wide for the screen and therefore can't be justified without word-wrapping, left-aligned is more useful for code anyway
< 1221515349 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when I was hand-writing I aligned the two b and a expressions
< 1221515355 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by putting the + at the end of the return on the first line
< 1221515370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I was avoiding the argument for the sake of a bad pun, sorry
< 1221515379 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221515381 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't see that pun
< 1221515382 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1221515415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah indeed
< 1221515860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/Science/Antimatter-en.html <-- *groan* at the pun at the end of that
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< 1221531624 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1221536739 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ..
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< 1221549416 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1221549458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a sophisticated message passing scheme for java
< 1221549492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev !tobtpo
< 1221549492 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221549493 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Because... um...
< 1221549496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lecturer said there was no direct way to send a message from an object to another, so i had no choice but to prove him wrong
< 1221550211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost got 20% off of an assignment for having a vector class which resized when you tried to access something out of bounds...
< 1221550264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The grader apparently thought that a buffer overflow error was appropriate.
< 1221550286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder whether he'd like my message passing
< 1221550362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well holy fuck cannot you serialize a java object into a string
< 1221550455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you just love Java?
< 1221550639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not right now. but sometimes i don't hate it
< 1221550654 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, sure you can serialize objects?
< 1221550662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but only into files :)
< 1221550672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i could write and then read
< 1221550677 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? Just use an ObjectOutputStream writing to a ByteArrayOutputStream.
< 1221550683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a bad idea
< 1221550703 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know anything about java streams, can you elaborate
< 1221550730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221550737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i know how to do it yes
< 1221550742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a bit
< 1221550776 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ByteArrayOutputStream b = new ByteArrayOutputStream(); ObjectOutputStream o = new ObjectOutputStream(b); ... o.writeObject(foo); ... byte[] serialized = b.toByteArray();
< 1221550866 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use the newer and more enterprisey XMLEncoder too, if you swing that way.
< 1221550904 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more thing
< 1221550910 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are these streams?
< 1221550914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java.lang.io or something?
< 1221550919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or java.io
< 1221550920 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java.io.
< 1221550931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOX.
< 1221551319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221551329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i bit-and in java?
< 1221551335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& seems to require a boolean
< 1221551349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was this one of java's retarded changes from c?
< 1221551499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, no.
< 1221551509 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :&& requires a boolean, & should work for integers.
< 1221551635 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But both sides need to be integers.
< 1221551640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or booleans.)
< 1221551894 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could get a "boolean expected" type of warning out of a&b if one was boolean and the other was integer, since there's no automagical conversion from boolean to the integral types.
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< 1221552180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i got it, but gotta leave for a sec, lecture ended ->
< 1221552343 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and mind the sign bits; the normal ">>" sign-extends, so a loop like  for(; b != 0; b >>= 1) ...;  will never terminate for negative b, one must use "b >>>= 1" (or the >>> operator in a more generic case) for the "sensible" bitshift. For one value of sensible; I guess sign-extending makes some sort of sense too.
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< 1221552415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you miss the bitshift comment?
< 1221552456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221552467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, everyone knows >> is input ;)
< 1221552469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs
< 1221552509 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I don't like about "Java for bit-mangling" is that everything's signed, even the "byte" type.
< 1221552549 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wanna code the unserialization part for me as well?
< 1221552565 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string -> object
< 1221552571 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm ready after that
< 1221552684 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much the reverse, if you have that same byte[] the serialization gave you. ObjectInputStream in = new ObjectInputStream(new ByteArrayInputStream(serialized)); Object o = in.readObject();
< 1221552910 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, i guess i could've guessed that
< 1221552924 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i have an error, need to debug a bit
< 1221552948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit! Heh, heh.
< 1221553017 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::----------)
< 1221553026 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pun was somewhat intended actually
< 1221553375 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1221553418 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this error is in your code, actually
< 1221553429 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well prolly not, but at least in how i'm using it.
< 1221553468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No warranty, not even for fitness for a particular purpose.
< 1221553516 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyyy
< 1221553520 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1221553536 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not giving the bytestream the object :P
< 1221553547 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm just reading an uninitialized stream
< 1221553567 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should give you an empty byte[].
< 1221553571 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b.write(theobject)
< 1221553572 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1221553582 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, that's what i got out of it, methinks.
< 1221553592 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221553594 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.write
< 1221553599 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.writeObject.
< 1221553633 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible yo ushould also do an o.flush() before calling b.toByteArray to make sure all the bits are there.
< 1221553697 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see what happens
< 1221553710 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should work now, but probably doesn't
< 1221554259 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1221554260 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done
< 1221554271 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna see? no? i'll show anyway
< 1221554314 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p522143264.txt
< 1221554356 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1221554360 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have two threads, a and b
< 1221554370 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sends messages to b by interrupting its sleep
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< 1221558339 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | you need to be really good at editing dense, obfuscated python
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< 1221564613 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221566274 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6Fr65PFqfk says that Homespring is the best language ever
< 1221566768 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
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< 1221568685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh and there are some bugs in efunge, stuff mycology doesn't find, and can't find, like 1kq would have crashed with a backtrace "no such function" instead of quitting
< 1221568690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed now
< 1221568711 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I really don't care :-P
< 1221568728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Mycology doesn't test 0k    vv btw
< 1221568748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very well defined in 98 I guess
< 1221568752 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it also doesn't test karsdnieaedianrbsnbtkliawlfktearnsvdiarskidnarkd;qwypgq
< 1221568778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh ok
< 1221568858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, that would be rather boring, 0ka, hit reflect, push a, run k over edge (undef I bet) and hit q, so it would quit
< 1221568865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that is the whole program
< 1221568891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it wouldn't test other parts, since l is only valid in trefunge iirc
< 1221568900 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it causes a crash in this obscure befunge interpreter
< 1221568903 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!
< 1221568903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you entered near the middle
< 1221568917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hah. well "0k    vv" doesn't casuse a crash
< 1221568926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which v will it go down from?
< 1221568931 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose source code is essentially "if input-file contains ktearnsvdiarskid then crash else ccbi input-file"
< 1221568944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the last one
< 1221568947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think?
< 1221568950 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1221568969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is 0 k, then it should search past instruction. Well I got a small test in the cfunge test directory for that
< 1221569001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how should j across the edge (ie, wrapping) behave
< 1221569023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0a5+-j #v'C,a,@
< 1221569024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        >'W,a,@
< 1221569027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the whole program
< 1221569053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge prints C, efunge gets an infinite loop
< 1221569055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tests ccbi
< 1221569070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ccbi also C
< 1221569075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it well defined?
< 1221569088 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as well defined as # over the edge
< 1221569094 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "somewhat"
< 1221569098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221569106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you think it should do then?
< 1221569157 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should hit the @
< 1221569184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, really? as far as I can tell it jumps -15
< 1221569189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hm
< 1221569203 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it kind of depends
< 1221569208 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1221569214 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see the funge-space as an infinite grid
< 1221569224 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it should just jump 15 left
< 1221569226 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then wrap
< 1221569229 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitting the @
< 1221569242 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternately, you can think that it wraps as soon as it jumps left of the 0
< 1221569272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0a5+-jvvvvvvvvv
< 1221569273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      123456789
< 1221569273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  @,a.<<<<<<<<<
< 1221569279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ccbi ends up with a 1
< 1221569282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does cfunge
< 1221569295 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same way you can think of # over the edge as either jumping over one of the infinite spaces, then wrapping, or jumping+wrapping
< 1221569313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221569333 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because consider
< 1221569341 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you indent all three lines there by 20 spaces?
< 1221569354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that would change this program definitely
< 1221569364 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and IMHO it shouldn't probably
< 1221569372 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because spaces are ethereal
< 1221569387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you mean jump across edge should hit opposite edge? always?
< 1221569399 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think that makes most sense as a whole
< 1221569406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure spaces are etheral
< 1221569412 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's probably what was intended
< 1221569414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't hold true for # and j
< 1221569425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they treat spaces as existing cells
< 1221569431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in non-wrapping case
< 1221569432 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.85.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221569433 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1221569438 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not in the wrapping case as well
< 1221569445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm true
< 1221569464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well # in both cfunge and efunge do hit opposite edge
< 1221569525 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221569537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, except what j actually do (in both) is: store current delta, multiply delta by distance, call routine that moves ip forward once, restore delta
< 1221569558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while # is just "call routine moving forward once"
< 1221569590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and then another call at end of main loop)
< 1221569667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol wut. Some people tried "CONNECT 6667 HTTP/1.0" on my server last night
< 1221569670 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[9.9 CONNECT
< 1221569671 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This specification reserves the method name CONNECT for use with a proxy that can dynamically switch to being a tunnel (e.g. SSL tunneling [44]). ]
< 1221569672 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wut x_x
< 1221569683 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a private server testing a thing i'm writing.
< 1221569688 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No link published or anything
< 1221569699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, random scans over ip blocks?
< 1221569707 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many IRC servers do open proxy tests like that also.
< 1221569716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that too
< 1221569717 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1221569723 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems very likely.
< 1221569729 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is from 12:50, I just noticed :P
< 1221569743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a POST / by one of them, presumably trying to nph-proxy test
< 1221569749 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :92.62.43.77 - - [16/Sep/2008:12:55:34] "CONNECT 6667 HTTP/1.0" 404 1174 "" ""
< 1221569753 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can give up now.
< 1221569753 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honest.
< 1221569996 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng19-0-0-cust700.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221572541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, a whois on that ip says "descr:          Underworld IRC services Trondheim, Norway"
< 1221572547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue what network that is
< 1221572549 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be quakenet, then.
< 1221572555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221573069 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221573338 0 :Slereah_!n=x@ANantes-252-1-52-12.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221573338 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221574931 0 :oklobol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221575273 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221575468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows what Trondheim, Norway is
< 1221577475 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1221577748 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Why are videos worse than text? I have to consume them at the pace and in the order dictated by the producer. I cannot skim them. They take orders of magnitude more bandwidth. I cannot search for a word or phrase. I am unable to quote from them without transcribing by hand. I cannot easily page around to see the general shape, or pick out an interesting paragraph to read, or send a part to somebody else. They are not indexed properly by Google.]
< 1221577761 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is a video of a keynote presentation thing that is amusing)
< 1221577764 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he must hate real life
< 1221577809 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221577927 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't
< 1221578054 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221578096 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1221578968 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-179-145.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221579758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... this is crazy, there is a log4sh... http://log4sh.sourceforge.net/
< 1221579802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there also seems to be a unit testing framework for shellscripts based on junit?... crazy... http://code.google.com/p/shunit2/wiki/ProjectInfo
< 1221579939 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | it's a full language that can express anything english or anything else can
< 1221580037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: talking about oko?
< 1221580038 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: C = nice.  C++ = horrible but usable bastardization of C.  Java = horrible, weak, insulting bastardization of C++.
< 1221580159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think optbot is right there
< 1221580160 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ``ci`ci
< 1221580167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not sure C++ is that usable
< 1221580174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastardization certainly
< 1221580284 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: have you gone all loopy?
< 1221580285 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How many of those nicks are registered?
< 1221580293 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: both of them
< 1221580293 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I might do h[0][0][0][0] by mistake (extra "[0]") and not know about it until my program crashes
< 1221580333 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: i don't know if that's a legal nick
< 1221580333 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :P
< 1221580469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :h[0][0][0][0]
< 1221580477 0 :h[0][0][0][0]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you know, it was
< 1221580483 0 :h[0][0][0][0]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oerjan
< 1221580809 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng19-0-0-cust700.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221580968 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1221581011 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng19-0-0-cust700.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221581602 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221581602 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1221581689 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1221581907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi
< 1221581912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1221581927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, did you register that h[0][0][0][0] nick?
< 1221581947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders nicks like argv[0]
< 1221581949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be valid
< 1221581957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no I won't care of someone registers it
< 1221581961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't square brackets not count as part of the nick?
< 1221581966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so argv[0] would actually just be registering argv
< 1221581971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like ais523|busy is equivalent to ais523
< 1221581971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan is now known as h[0][0][0][0]
< 1221581972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<h[0][0][0][0]> would you know, it was
< 1221581972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* h[0][0][0][0] is now known as oerjan
< 1221581981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wtf are you talking about?
< 1221581990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy is not equivalent to ais523
< 1221581993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: only part of an IRC nick is considered for uniqueness
< 1221581994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it is
< 1221581996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to any ircd
< 1221582011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that was some idea freenode used to have iirc, don't think they ever implemented it
< 1221582012 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221582020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but depending on that would be unportable
< 1221582031 0 :ais523_|test!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221582031 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_|test
< 1221582034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the original IRC RFC | is upper case of [ iirc
< 1221582039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, that was scripted
< 1221582041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, stop that
< 1221582046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1221582048 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why should i
< 1221582052 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 was gonna script it one time
< 1221582054 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but decided not to
< 1221582055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, { is uppercase of [
< 1221582064 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was too much work
< 1221582064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah yes, that was it
< 1221582073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no, i'm going to leave that script there
< 1221582078 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, ais523 found a way to beat it today
< 1221582078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway you could remove the _ and it would work, at least on every ircd I know
< 1221582093 0 :ais523_|test!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523|test
< 1221582098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see?
< 1221582105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I was testing with nickserv
< 1221582113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was nickserv that enforced that rule not the ircd
< 1221582116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently it doesn't either
< 1221582124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is no rule
< 1221582134 0 :ais523|test!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1221582136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rule only existed in the head of some freenode oper at some time
< 1221582141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1221582143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was never implemented
< 1221582174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if it was implemented it wouldn't be standard
< 1221583438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that oper who died, i seem to vaguely recall
< 1221583463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, lilo, possible
< 1221583579 0 :Slereah2!n=x@ANantes-252-1-24-38.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221583600 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lilo is the founder
< 1221583607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no i split an infinite.  and i promised to never ever in my life do such a wicked thing
< 1221583615 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though tbh i can't remember him doing much more than begging for money.
< 1221583622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1221583639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's got to do that
< 1221583641 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : Was it an infinite or just a half infinite?
< 1221583684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like Slereah2 to please pretty please with sugar on top tell him what a half infinitive ... oh wait
< 1221583707 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221583732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually x = 2*x for all infinite cardinalities
< 1221583803 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only for cardinalities :o
< 1221583805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ordinalities too but that is about ordinal multiplication being strange and non-commutative)
< 1221583809 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, also for some other infinites
< 1221583816 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the extended real line
< 1221583830 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221583840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, limit ordinals
< 1221583892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, s/is/was/ in the line sent directly after Slereah2 joined
< 1221583916 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, he didn't suddenly retroactively not found it
< 1221583918 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't omega =/= 2*omega?
< 1221583921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when he died
< 1221583931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, is.  in sense that Kim Il Sung is the president of North Korea
< 1221583942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which i think is true)
< 1221583956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, huh, well true, but it sounds weird English
< 1221583962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me
< 1221583965 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that is true
< 1221583970 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221583972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: no, omega = 2*omega
< 1221583977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I even suspect the usual way would be using "was" there
< 1221583983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in English
< 1221583985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the right side is 2+2+2+...
< 1221583995 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be, but i can opt for crazy correctness occasionally, can't I?
< 1221584022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while omega+omega = omega*2, the other way
< 1221584129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is inf / 2? I don't mean mathematically (where it is inf), but rather in IEEE floating point format
< 1221584136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it NaN or inf?
< 1221584193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, sure you can
< 1221584231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:56 =oerjan> > (isIEEE 2.0, let x = 1/0 in x/2)
< 1221584231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:56 =lambdabot>   (True,Infinity)
< 1221584271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221584281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that first was just to confirm lambdabot/ghc uses IEEE)
< 1221584288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221584306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let x = 1/0 in x/2 <-- that syntax makes no sense to me
< 1221584317 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's
< 1221584319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's haskell
< 1221584320 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x/2 where x = 1/0
< 1221584321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with (1/0)/2
< 1221584325 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nothing
< 1221584329 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan could have done it
< 1221584333 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess he wanted a variable that meant infinity
< 1221584334 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be clearer
< 1221584336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221584337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1221584388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I bet mathematicians, not programmers, designed Haskell....)
< 1221584393 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1221584397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: almost certainly, and why not?
< 1221584399 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very close to mathematics
< 1221584404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet very usable for everyday tasks
< 1221584418 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the programmers appeared after the mathematicians got started
< 1221584421 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and helped tweak it so it's useful
< 1221584429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do see that of course.. Just look at darcs or such
< 1221584433 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the mathematicians kept it mathematically pure
< 1221584433 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221584446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however that doesn't mean I must like it
< 1221584459 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't.
< 1221584462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can think a language does the job it has been made for, without liking it
< 1221584471 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's nothing wrong with a language being designed by mathematicians
< 1221584481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example COBOL arguably *does* the job it was made for, yet you can't really like it I bet
< 1221584524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I didn't say there was anything wrong with mathematicians making a language
< 1221584536 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"-> bus"
< 1221584552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just that I find haskell confusing as a programming language
< 1221584566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to have a lot of "syntactic sugar"
< 1221584576 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221584579 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has quite minimal syntax
< 1221584580 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just flexible
< 1221584583 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in its syntax
< 1221584604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: list comprehensions, two different ways to write case, changing things from prefix to infix at will?
< 1221584610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's syntactic sugar
< 1221584612 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the last one is not syntactical sugar
< 1221584613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1221584616 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is extensible syntax
< 1221584622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes it is, you can write everything prefix in theory
< 1221584623 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn't deny that there was sugar
< 1221584625 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there is
< 1221584631 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: syntax != syntactical sugar
< 1221584636 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has infix syntax, it just so happens that it's extensible infix
< 1221584642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what did you mean with the last one?
< 1221584646 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, the first two are valid
< 1221584649 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can define infix operators
< 1221584655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mod 2 3 is equivalent to 2 `mod` 3 in Haskell
< 1221584660 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that, yes
< 1221584661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221584662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can infixise anything that takes two args like that
< 1221584670 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, you can infixise anything
< 1221584673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it the other way too: 2 + 3 is equivalent to (+) 2 3
< 1221584677 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no such thing as two arguments
< 1221584683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, I know
< 1221584686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... syntactical sugar I'd say
< 1221584688 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mod :: Integer -> (Integer -> Integer) -- generalizing the type signature here
< 1221584695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's more confusing than useful if you aren't using it like it's taking two args
< 1221584702 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: true
< 1221584715 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: of course haskell has syntactical sugar: so does C
< 1221584719 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't have huge excesses of it
< 1221584721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221584726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting something that's normally a unary operator to infix, for instance, is just crazy
< 1221584729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noted haskell seems to have a lot of it
< 1221584732 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntax of haskell isn't really all that complex, save for the alignment-syntax thing
< 1221584779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp seems to be one of the languages with *least* syntactical sugar, though at least some lisp variants got some of it, like the (foo 'quoted string) thing I seen in at least elisp
< 1221584792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' is not quoted string
< 1221584801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'x is (quote x), i.e. return x without evaluating it
< 1221584801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what was the exact difference then?
< 1221584803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do '(1 2 3)
< 1221584808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1221584808 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which evaluates to (1 2 3)
< 1221584815 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of calling 1 with the arguments (2 3) and balking
< 1221584819 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't call a number...
< 1221584831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still I'd say lisp got one of the purest syntax out there
< 1221584838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for non-esolangs
< 1221584841 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221584869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could argue brainfuck got even less syntactical sugar, at least if you remove - ;)
< 1221584899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there is the turing tarpit funge variant Deewiant and me discussed a while back
< 1221584911 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while back = like 2-3 days
< 1221584913 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221584913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think we got down to something like 6 existing commands
< 1221584919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes probably
< 1221584927 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was 5 for Befunge, 6 for Unefunge
< 1221584934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1221584971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]-1y_ for befunge right?
< 1221585010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the addition of x for unefunge
< 1221585023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, or?
< 1221585024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's the y for?
< 1221585025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221585035 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what do these do: ]y_
< 1221585035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it's secondary function, stack pick
< 1221585048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :] is turn right
< 1221585048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, how are you going to know how much it would push anyway?
< 1221585059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ goes left or right according to if TOS is 0
< 1221585060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well you could check using y ;P
< 1221585063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and y is crazy
< 1221585080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1221585086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, I reckon y should push the number of entries y pushes as the top entry of the resulting stack
< 1221585090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a nicer command set is *-1x? (same functionality, just different names)
< 1221585099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nah, not in specs :P
< 1221585102 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the programs would look nicer using those characters
< 1221585109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, err you need _ too
< 1221585113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait hm
< 1221585115 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: _ is ?
< 1221585121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, horizontal if
< 1221585125 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :......
< 1221585128 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'_' is '?'
< 1221585132 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :command set = *-1x?
< 1221585133 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: _] were combined to w
< 1221585139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you're suggesting redefining all the chars in Befunge for aesthetics?
< 1221585141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no ? is random direction
< 1221585141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what does w do?
< 1221585146 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: SHUT UP
< 1221585149 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MEANT IN MY REBOUND VERSION
< 1221585152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah right
< 1221585153 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god
< 1221585162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: maybe you could use x
< 1221585164 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for the tarpit, yes
< 1221585165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of _]
< 1221585166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so -1wy
< 1221585166 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: pops two cells and turns left if <, right if >, otherwise goes straight
< 1221585168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work
< 1221585168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for tarpitting
< 1221585170 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tons of ]s around the place would be ugly
< 1221585174 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah
< 1221585182 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then my charset is -1*x
< 1221585185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but for unefunge you need _-1yx then
< 1221585194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, err * is multiply
< 1221585195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no need
< 1221585198 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ......................................
< 1221585199 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep
< 1221585204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I was rebinding them to look better when tarpitted.
< 1221585218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, redefining the letters were not allowed in the original discussion
< 1221585220 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- and 1 stay the same, w gets renamed to *, y gets renamed to x
< 1221585222 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't care.
< 1221585222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor will we do it here
< 1221585228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tusho's inventing his own fungeoid in which all the commands are the same as Befunge but mapped to different characters
< 1221585230 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will do it here, because I like the look better
< 1221585233 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, no
< 1221585235 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same as the tarpit
< 1221585239 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of -1wy
< 1221585239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah right, well not really interesting
< 1221585242 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with w renamed to *
< 1221585244 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and y renamed to x
< 1221585251 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same semantics, just looks prettier.
< 1221585258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, also y got the befunge-98 semantics
< 1221585260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Deewiant: you also need space and newline
< 1221585271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... could it work without space?
< 1221585272 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they were seen as implicit
< 1221585278 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1221585283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well space yes, but newline is not part of the command set
< 1221585292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no newlines in funge space after loading a file
< 1221585293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worth thinking about, though, due to the existence of 2L/1L
< 1221585302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just increment y and reset x to 0
< 1221585305 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no but they matter to the file loader so they need to be specced
< 1221585310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, right
< 1221585329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally when discussing tarpits I go by characters in the source, not by characters in the internal representation
< 1221585361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I'd argue you could store it as an array in C and then link the interpreter to that C file
< 1221585368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1221585376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that takes a lot more characters
< 1221585379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual source representation could vary in other words
< 1221585391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is the actual program representation we are discussing
< 1221585395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's really the language + representation combination that's the tarpit IMO
< 1221585397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not it's carrier format
< 1221585437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could encode it in some other charset, would it not be the same *program*?
< 1221585463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could define "wrap around at col 80, infinite line count"
< 1221585465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the same program
< 1221585469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you wouldn't need \n
< 1221585477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just spaces to fill each line
< 1221585486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all stored on one line
< 1221585487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's different for tarpit purposes if you're trying to golf the number of characters in the language
< 1221585511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I golf the number of commands, not the source representation
< 1221585525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I compressed it with deflate, wouldn't that add more symbols?
< 1221585536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: see 1L and NULL, "number of commands" can be pretty hard to pin down on occasion
< 1221585541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and Whirl for that matter
< 1221585545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1L is?
< 1221585550 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1l is
< 1221585554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/1L
< 1221585558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a 2D language with only two commands, one of which is represented by space
< 1221585558 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking, I know
< 1221585573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's Turing-complete
< 1221585585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the commands do varies according to which way the IP's going
< 1221585600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has 8 commands really, actually 7 as two of them are the same
< 1221585606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm ok, well if you dump the memory it is stored in, as a binary tree representing funge space, would it not be the same program?
< 1221585617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but different representation of it
< 1221585618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just the representation that differs
< 1221585628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we're agreeing on this
< 1221585645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm golfing the actual language, not the representation
< 1221585663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that golfing an actual language for command count can be hard to define
< 1221585683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many commands does Whirl have, for instance? What about NULL? Does 1L have 1, 2, or 8 commands?
< 1221585712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could declare "how the implementation decides to continue loading the rest of the source at a different funge row is implementation defined"
< 1221585720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you are
< 1221585728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could use newline, or whatever
< 1221585741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could even say that the source representation format is implementation defined
< 1221585759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it read from an infinite paper sheet?
< 1221585781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there wouldn't be any LF in the source anywhere
< 1221585784 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: *it's
< 1221585796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet you would surely argue that \n should be a part of the charset of the language?
< 1221585896 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng19-0-0-cust700.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221585896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^
< 1221585949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm talking here specifically about the notion of creating something with the minimum possible number of commands
< 1221585957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so am I
< 1221585959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the representation of the language is not important for the language, usually
< 1221585968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, exactly
< 1221585976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in my opinion taking a particular representation+language combination is the best thing to minimize command count over
< 1221585980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why \n is *not* part of the commands in the language
< 1221585984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that way it is at least easy to define
< 1221585988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no, \n isn't a command
< 1221586011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus only space and w1-y are needed
< 1221586012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but IMO it is worth counting when comparing 2D langs with 1D langs
< 1221586018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably EOF is relevant too
< 1221586027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance Iota doesn't need EOF, whereas brainfuck does
< 1221586032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, EOF is never on disk
< 1221586034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all
< 1221586054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a state that makes feof() return true
< 1221586060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, just not written directly on disk, it's implicit from the filesize, which is written on the disk
< 1221586086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well then the interpreter will read the source from an infinite sheet of paper, starting in the upper left corner
< 1221586089 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it's transmitted as something special if you're reading your program from a network stream
< 1221586098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will have infinite many scanning heads
< 1221586106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus reading infinitely many lines at once
< 1221586111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, there is no \n in there
< 1221586136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could just say that the representation is implementation defined
< 1221586148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which http://esolangs.org/wiki/1L#1L_a105 seems to do
< 1221586166 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with ais523.
< 1221586174 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\n is part of the language.
< 1221586178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not
< 1221586179 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF isn't, if the fungespace is infinite
< 1221586180 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it is
< 1221586192 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's 1-wy<space><nl>
< 1221586192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the *representation is implementation defined*
< 1221586198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, can't you read
< 1221586200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, you are wrong in this case.
< 1221586202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221586207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, if it read it from a paper
< 1221586211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a 2D grid on paper
< 1221586216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would there be any \n then?
< 1221586217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me
< 1221586218 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then <nl> is symbolic
< 1221586223 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still involves multiple lines
< 1221586228 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus <nl> is part of the language
< 1221586229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: suppose I have a programming language that has no commands, what it does is implementation-defined to be whatever the user wants it to do
< 1221586232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this cheating or nopt?
< 1221586246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hardly, it could have multiple scanner head one for each line
< 1221586256 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I said SYMBOLIC
< 1221586263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1221586264 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quoth you: AnMaster, can't you read
< 1221586266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make it like this then
< 1221586290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite line count, no \n is allowed in source, a new funge row will begin at each time it hits 80 chars in the current row
< 1221586305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus after 80 symbols it will continue reading the rest of the source in a new line
< 1221586305 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have a different language
< 1221586311 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the other one, you could have infinitely long horizontal fungespace
< 1221586317 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this one you can only have 80 characters
< 1221586325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and \n is of course still part of the language?
< 1221586337 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is irrelevant. it is a different language
< 1221586342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore your variation is incorrect
< 1221586357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the \n is a part of that language. It is symbolic for tusho is wrong
< 1221586383 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, you are making no fucking sense.
< 1221586393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory each line in the original language could be stored in parallel
< 1221586399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and read in parallel
< 1221586400 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are thinking of the wrong definition of symbolic.
< 1221586422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes of course, but you are thinking of the wrong definition of newline
< 1221586431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hardly makes a difference
< 1221586451 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no. you are wrong.
< 1221586452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> AnMaster: suppose I have a programming language that has no commands, what it does is implementation-defined to be whatever the user wants it to do
< 1221586453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> Is this cheating or nopt?
< 1221586455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't
< 1221586461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is perfectly esoteric and valid
< 1221586474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though probably not implementable
< 1221586476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I would consider it cheating
< 1221586482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are lots of non-implementable esolangs
< 1221586482 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely chating
< 1221586484 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cheating
< 1221586485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a tarpit language competition
< 1221586488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :banana scheme
< 1221586492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1221586498 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in your golfing competition i submit ais523's language that he just talked about
< 1221586500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what about Wait? That's Turing-complete, and has no source file as the input
< 1221586503 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can go home now
< 1221586507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, valid of course
< 1221586511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Wait
< 1221586512 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait isn't a language
< 1221586524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's a programming... thing
< 1221586526 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is just a program that happens to run langauges
< 1221586528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language
< 1221586528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1221586531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably not a language as it doesn't take source code
< 1221586537 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying it is turing-complete is nonsense
< 1221586545 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like saying, oh, photoshop is turing complete
< 1221586546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's technically speaking usable for programming, if you're very patient
< 1221586548 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it uses embedded language X
< 1221586552 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in its internal workings
< 1221586554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1221586557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: would you say Excel is Turing-complete?
< 1221586560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd argue Wait is valid
< 1221586563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't a programming language either
< 1221586568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: excel is not turing complete, excel's macro language is turing complete
< 1221586573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a valid implementation of ais523's language
< 1221586581 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/perl is not turing complete, Perl is turing complete
< 1221586587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say Excel itself is Turing-complete, as you can give it input to cause it to act in arbitrary ways
< 1221586589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets the users intentions from the current time
< 1221586591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus valid
< 1221586595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done ais523 :)
< 1221586609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well I didn't invent it, presumably it was invented as the result of a similar discussion though
< 1221586621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and I'd argue it is perfectly valid
< 1221586627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though probably not very usable
< 1221586632 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1221586633 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the wait spec
< 1221586634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Each implementation must choose some Turing-complete programming language as
< 1221586635 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "reference language"]
< 1221586636 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if wait is TC
< 1221586641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could choose Wait as that language
< 1221586648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, that would be nonsense
< 1221586651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: but what implementation of Wait!
< 1221586653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as wait isn't a langauge nor is it TC
< 1221586656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd argue that isn't nonsense at all
< 1221586659 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does it matter? it conforms to the wait spec
< 1221586662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a turtles all the way down situation
< 1221586664 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore it is a wait interpreter
< 1221586671 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seperate wait interps != seperate wait languages
< 1221586672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1221586676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait based on Wait based on brainfuck is entirely TC
< 1221586682 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it isn't
< 1221586683 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait based on brainfuck
< 1221586684 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's
< 1221586689 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wait interpreter using brainfuck as the language
< 1221586692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's implementation defined
< 1221586694 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait itself is a language
< 1221586696 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a TC language
< 1221586702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: arguably the definition of Wait on the wiki is a template for creating langs
< 1221586703 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language it uses internally is just impl-defined
< 1221586710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I agree with ais523
< 1221586711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't leave all the details specified
< 1221586722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i am arguing that wait isn't a language by absurdity
< 1221586735 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1221586736 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The wait Programming Language Specification.'
< 1221586740 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few lines before the line in question
< 1221586744 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, 'a wait interpreter' is unambiguous
< 1221586754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, just no valid Wait program is portable
< 1221586759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite there only being one program!
< 1221586759 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, 'a wait interpreter with wait as the inner interpreter'
< 1221586763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is surely not TC
< 1221586776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, depends on what the inter interpreter use
< 1221586779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes it is, it depends on what the interpreter inside that is though to how you give it input
< 1221586782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inner*
< 1221586794 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my conclusion: Wait is not a language
< 1221586794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's TC, it's just there's no way to find out how, other than looking at the source or guessing
< 1221586797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this turns out as "turtles all the way down"
< 1221586799 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not a template for languages
< 1221586801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, as ais523 said
< 1221586803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a rough specification for a program
< 1221586812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that program happens to run a TC language as part of its workings
< 1221586815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, turtles all the way down is entirely possible and mathematically self-consistent, just a bit hard to implement
< 1221586821 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about a game that has its AI coded in python
< 1221586824 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the game turing complete?
< 1221586825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1221586828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, then wait is not TC either
< 1221586834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes if there's some way to get it to act in a TC way
< 1221586837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Wait there is
< 1221586841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some games there aren't
< 1221586850 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turingcompleteness is a property of languages
< 1221586856 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not other things
< 1221586857 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like programs
< 1221586858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, can't you read: <ais523> also, turtles all the way down is entirely possible and mathematically self-consistent, just a bit hard to implement
< 1221586859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's a property of things in general too
< 1221586863 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, a game with its AI in python is not TC
< 1221586865 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, wait is not TC
< 1221586883 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i did read that, but I've gone on to another point
< 1221586884 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you read?
< 1221586889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have wait of wait of wait of wait of wait...
< 1221586910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: a game with its AI in python may or may not be TC, my guess is usually it won't be but if there's some way to set up the gamestate so that arbitrary TC computations can occur then it is
< 1221586911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you ignore the opponents arguments? bad style IMO
< 1221586922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that matter, I've been wondering about whether Agora is Turing-complete
< 1221586923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're making no fucking sense
< 1221586926 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't even talking about that
< 1221586931 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking about games with AI being tc
< 1221586932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect probably not as people will ignore programs that are too complex
< 1221586944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, which got nothing to do with wait
< 1221586949 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes it has
< 1221586955 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you address a completely different point to the one I am making? bad style IMO
< 1221586957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it can be TC
< 1221586959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as ais523 said
< 1221586970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tusho is working off a different definition of "Turing-complete" to us I think, in which Wait is trivially non-TC
< 1221586975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with his definition, though
< 1221586980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, same
< 1221587225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented a game of life inside a scriptable (closed source) RPG game engine for mac os 9 a few years ago. It could have been tc, almost. Only two issues that prevented that was due to implementation: limited runtime for scripts (to prevent lockup) and limited map size (for similiar reasons), Though it should have been possible to chain together several scripts, and several maps to do it. Didn't t
< 1221587225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ry though
< 1221587243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd argue without those two limitations it would have been TC
< 1221587254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's the sort of programming I like doing too
< 1221587256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those limitations were due to implementation
< 1221587286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the scripting language was horrible C-like + god knows what mess
< 1221587293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had hints of pascal too
< 1221587306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used begin end and {} depending on *type* of block
< 1221587327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in begin end for functions but {} for blocks inside functions
< 1221587337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1221587350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it didn't have functions, it had numerical event handlers
< 1221587353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like:
< 1221587360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapevent 18;
< 1221587361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin
< 1221587364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code here...
< 1221587365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end
< 1221587374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could call other map events though iirc
< 1221587379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's pretty much functions
< 1221587383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :limited to 99 per script
< 1221587416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there were no *documented* limit on the size of the event handlers
< 1221587429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no I don't remember the name of that game engine
< 1221587444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I implemented game of life by changing floor tiles
< 1221587449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between light and dark ones
< 1221587461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could read floor tile ids too
< 1221587491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a way for the PC (not computer, character) in the game to set floor tiles to set initial state
< 1221587500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then pull a lever to advance it one generation
< 1221587504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh, I know what PC means in that context..
< 1221587518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : well didn't know if that was the case
< 1221587537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yes I was limited in size of board because of runtime of script
< 1221587569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have done more by processing it in several sections (one lever per section)
< 1221587570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess
< 1221587622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd argue that the need for user input there (pull levers) is no different than a computer needing electricity to advance state in case anyone try to say that makes it no tc or something
< 1221587623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221587632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non*
< 1221587689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have something script (hah) those input moves, or you could power a computer using one of those bicycle thingies
< 1221587743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: like Wait but based on pedalling speed?
< 1221587756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nah?
< 1221587765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like the power used to advance state
< 1221587779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't affect the result if you did it slower
< 1221587785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1221587814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that make me wonder, you could script cut scenes, and move the PC, and you could add scripts that activated when you stepped on a tile
< 1221587827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if cut scene disabled those "step on" scripts
< 1221587838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not that should have been pretty interesting
< 1221588331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway arguably this had the potential to be turing complete, but there were some pretty tight *implementation* limits
< 1221588347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is just like no actual computer is TC
< 1221588360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there's a term for that, "bounded-storage machine"
< 1221588372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that would be TC except there are arbitrary implementation limits
< 1221588391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1221588406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was nothing in the scripting language itself that prevented it being TC
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< 1221591769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[
< 1221591769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>    FLOSS licenses
< 1221591770 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I own my dental products. I think it's gross to license them!]]
< 1221591770 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- reddit
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< 1221594061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, heh
< 1221594817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, there?
< 1221594832 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye
< 1221594832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just found out that I couldn't implement the normal behaviour of = in efunge
< 1221594837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically impossible
< 1221594846 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"normal"?
< 1221594850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which one's =? System call?
< 1221594852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system() one
< 1221594860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can implement it how you like
< 1221594866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with C system, really
< 1221594868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes I could evaluate erlang
< 1221594869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1221594876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least Funge requires you to say what you're doing to some extent...
< 1221594881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only one is os:cmd()
< 1221594885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is silly really
< 1221594888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it captures stdout
< 1221594890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not stderr
< 1221594895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system() requires the implementation to act in an implementation-defined manner IIRC
< 1221594895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does not return the exit code
< 1221594897 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: o rly?
< 1221594901 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has to be a package doing it peroperly
< 1221594904 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*properly
< 1221594928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well there are the erlang:open_port(), which could be used, except it doesn't return exit code
< 1221594939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could use linked in driver, that is a module written in C
< 1221594946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat like python can do
< 1221594975 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ask #erlang?
< 1221594977 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has to be something
< 1221595012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, already done
< 1221595036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a linked in driver yes
< 1221595041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like only solution
< 1221595050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1221595058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will implement my = to evaluate erlang code
< 1221595064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not implement it at all
< 1221595086 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that puts erlang lower down in my opinion. It's not exactly closed-world like e.g. Squeak so it doesn't really have an excuse.
< 1221595097 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't?
< 1221595102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it isn't?
< 1221595108 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as much as Squeak, I don't think.
< 1221595123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squeak is a smalltalk isn't it?
< 1221595134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221595141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has its own windowing & gui library
< 1221595142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok, not as much as that then
< 1221595143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :runs in one big window
< 1221595153 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only outside thing it'll touch is networking and the filesystem
< 1221595155 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it desperately avoids the latter
< 1221595171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, oh well erlang got it's own library for GUI, It use tk, yet erlang manage fine if no TCL is installed
< 1221595174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very odd
< 1221595180 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, I don't mean its own GUI library
< 1221595183 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it literally has one big window
< 1221595186 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and draws its own fonts
< 1221595186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that
< 1221595189 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and frames
< 1221595192 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cursors
< 1221595194 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just uses SDL
< 1221595197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no outside world interaction?
< 1221595203 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: some, but it's avoided
< 1221595210 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can access the filesystem and the network and such
< 1221595210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221595214 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but generally you don't
< 1221595229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most resources that you'd put in files go in the class hierarchy which is how it's designed)
< 1221595231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about other stuff? like calling external programs?
< 1221595248 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is also image-based (it's a whole system that you modify directly within itself)
< 1221595248 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of code-in-file-and-it's-run
< 1221595260 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i've never seen it done but i imagine it's possible if you really really must
< 1221595264 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very closed world, but it is very interesting
< 1221595269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so self modifying?
< 1221595270 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've played about with stuff and made some little things in it
< 1221595272 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it
< 1221595272 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a C++ library with a C API. How the hell do I make a .a out of it which I can link into non-C++ programs without hitting C++-related link errors like "undefined reference to `operator delete[](void*)`"?
< 1221595272 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1221595276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, with no ability to go back?
< 1221595281 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it has history
< 1221595282 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such
< 1221595299 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the community uses a VCS written in it which operates at the semantic level of smalltalk code
< 1221595299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah, because with a C program I can just press ctrl-c to reset state
< 1221595302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like that
< 1221595304 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of diffs and things
< 1221595315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if it crashes, you open it up and it lets you recover changes from your last save
< 1221595328 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hmm, I think you'd either have to put the c++ library into the .a file, or require your users to link with g++
< 1221595332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what about using extern "C" { } ?
< 1221595333 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crashing it isn't extraordinarily hard to do on purpose but hard to do on accident
< 1221595336 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on purpose: 'true become: false'
< 1221595337 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221595348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: or just give -libstdc++ on the command line of gcc
< 1221595353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I see it is not for x86_64 though
< 1221595358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well multilib sucks
< 1221595359 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: compile it yourself.
< 1221595359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1221595365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it works on x86_64?
< 1221595365 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I use ar somehow to add libstdc++ to the .a file?
< 1221595366 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: extern "C" operator delete[]? :P
< 1221595370 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I dunno. Does it?
< 1221595374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that is hardly a C API
< 1221595377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would say it is C++
< 1221595382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes, unpack libstdc++ using ar, then repack them all using ar
< 1221595390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sounds horrible
< 1221595406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well it seems gentoo package manager suggests it doesn't
< 1221595409 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, I was saying that using extern "C" is no solution to the problem (he's already using extern "C" since it's a C api)
< 1221595423 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because gentoo has completely everything and never misses a certain arch
< 1221595424 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nosiree
< 1221595435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no it may not be true
< 1221595440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is generally a good indicator
< 1221595449 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you should link the c++ library into the .a, since that'll probably give double definition linker errors for anyone compiling C++ programs and linking to the c++ library again
< 1221595454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since x86_64 is one of the more popular archs
< 1221595455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, !
< 1221595465 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: !
< 1221595467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after x86
< 1221595467 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ^
< 1221595468 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: !
< 1221595478 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just addressed me 10 seconds ago.
< 1221595482 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do not have to do it again after your messages.
< 1221595486 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ^
< 1221595500 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well is there another way?
< 1221595522 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that seems to work, thanks
< 1221595533 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes...
< 1221595537 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can build a .so file that links dynamically to the c++ library
< 1221595537 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install libc++
< 1221595537 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221595537 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1221595541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, that is due to concurrent discussions
< 1221595543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1221595543 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on windows
< 1221595559 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, don't do it, please.
< 1221595562 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so .so files are out
< 1221595563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite irritating
< 1221595568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the bloop noice.
< 1221595569 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so you're building a .lib and not a .a?
< 1221595569 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*noise
< 1221595570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Cygwin can create .dlls
< 1221595581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well SOL
< 1221595584 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not on Cygwin, I'm on plain MinGW.
< 1221595592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah, ok
< 1221595592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well it doesn't work on x86_64
< 1221595593 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, I'm building a .a.
< 1221595622 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially the problem was that the configure script wouldn't work on MSYS and I figured it'd be easier to build the thing manually than hack up the script
< 1221595625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that was not to Deewiant, but since I'm talking to multiple ppl at once and can't highlight one, how would anyone know
< 1221595652 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can highlight people
< 1221595654 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do it once
< 1221595655 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the cleanest way may actually be to link with c++ libraries when linking the final executable
< 1221595656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: use reverse higlights
< 1221595656 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do it like this
< 1221595657 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then this
< 1221595659 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then don't do this:
< 1221595659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this:
< 1221595660 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ^
< 1221595664 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that is _annoying_
< 1221595665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyonebuttusho: this is an example
< 1221595667 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@151.60.134.230 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221595672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it doesn't work, I'm afraid :-/
< 1221595673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also turn off that sound then, I make mine just flash the window
< 1221595678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so well tusho's own issue
< 1221595684 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that was the first thing I tried, -lstdc++, but no help
< 1221595690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i like the sound because most people DON'T ABUSE IT BY HIGHLIGHTING THE SAME PERSON TWICE FOR ONE BLOCK OF MESSAGES
< 1221595693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: -lstdcxx on Windows
< 1221595695 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my problem, YOUR abuse
< 1221595697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the filename restrictions
< 1221595700 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's libstdc++.a
< 1221595701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC
< 1221595702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :issue is tusho that I'm switching between several convos
< 1221595703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1221595717 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and it would complain if it couldn't find it :-)
< 1221595718 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: SO ADDRESS ME AT THE START, I AM A HUMAN BEING IN POSSESSION OF A BRAIN. I CAN WORK OUT WHICH MESSAGES FIT
< 1221595723 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: tried linking with g++?
< 1221595735 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I can't do that, this is a Haskell program I'm linking in to
< 1221595739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah, I took your message to say it had complained
< 1221595744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, one word: SOL
< 1221595751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's four words
< 1221595755 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: evidently other people have got this to work
< 1221595764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not after the : now
< 1221595765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no*
< 1221595770 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure I'm going to ask them next if I can't get this to work
< 1221595775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I expanded the acronym
< 1221595782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1221595785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets try again
< 1221595798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, one acronym (or four words): SOL
< 1221595802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1221595808 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I wonder what the hell is _Unwind_Resume
< 1221595821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah, I might remember that one
< 1221595824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, guess: related to C++ exceptions
< 1221595827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check something and get back to you
< 1221595832 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :librtti then or something?
< 1221595842 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r01jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221595860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, as far as I can remember, unwind information is used for when you throw exceptions
< 1221595864 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you should visit ##nomic.
< 1221595865 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221595873 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies.
< 1221595879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why. :(
< 1221595886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's in libgcc.a
< 1221595889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the secret library
< 1221595893 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1221595897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only if compiling for C++, I think
< 1221595940 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I seem to have no such library
< 1221595964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it isn't in /usr/lib
< 1221595968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in some top secret gcc place
< 1221595978 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in /usr/lib/gcc/[arch triplet]/[gcc version]/libgcc.a
< 1221595986 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently so, pikhq
< 1221595989 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just found it
< 1221596001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: same for me without the /usr, in gccbf at least
< 1221596020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: http://www.squeakvm.org/squeak64/faq.html now that means the image files are incompatible across 32/64-bit, and 64-bit is very very experimental
< 1221596024 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Speaking of gccbf, how well is that working?
< 1221596029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I assume you can export stuff outside the image?
< 1221596035 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, you can
< 1221596041 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chunk streams
< 1221596050 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and voila, the thing compiles
< 1221596053 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks everybody
< 1221596054 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically converts a bunch of classes and shit to code
< 1221596057 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is run when you import it
< 1221596062 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, yeah, shame that it's experimental
< 1221596065 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it's being worked on
< 1221596067 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: that's from 2007-10
< 1221596070 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps not very up to date
< 1221596073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I've done all the easy bits, a few hard bits left
< 1221596077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also most of it isn't tested
< 1221596081 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221596091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm busy doing other things to avoid having to work on the hard bits...
< 1221596092 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this whole process took less time than the average time to run a ./configure script
< 1221596096 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should start doing this every time
< 1221596160 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what were you trying to compile
< 1221596169 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: FTGL
< 1221597072 0 :jix!n=jix@g224152065.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221597221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221597238 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221597238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1221597549 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221598464 0 :comexk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex
< 1221598548 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1221598819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh this is wickedly versatile
< 1221598856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what is?
< 1221598863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/T54vtH55.html
< 1221598875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it can load a binary (special erlang data type) anywhere in funge space
< 1221598899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was using some bad line based code before
< 1221598909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like both Haskell and Prolog
< 1221598916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, with about 10 times the loc
< 1221598922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh what part looks like haskell?
< 1221598931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithm
< 1221598939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Haskell it would be written the same way just with different syntax
< 1221598954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise Prolog would use the same algorithm again
< 1221598966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is tail recursive, and it loads into FungeSpace, which is a special thing called "ets" table, offers destructive storage tables
< 1221598977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that speed was actually needed
< 1221598982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or mycology took several minutes
< 1221598987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a dict
< 1221598990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to load, or to run?
< 1221598995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, to run
< 1221599044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe an attempt to make a fast Funge interp would have a fixed-size array for the area of the code taken up by the original program and a hash table for other parts of fungespace
< 1221599046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ets tables are implemented as BIFs (built in functions), are not garbage collected (means I have to remember to call ets:delete() at the end)
< 1221599059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge is still several times faster
< 1221599071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to notice when running the life.bf example in cfunge
< 1221599075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it is life.b93
< 1221599079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot filename
< 1221599082 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've been thinking of things like using plain arrays for dense areas
< 1221599091 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't bothered to implement anything though
< 1221599102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that should probably help
< 1221599107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would*
< 1221599147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also what part looks like Prolog?
< 1221599155 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: erlang's syntax is a carbon-copy of prolog
< 1221599158 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is practically identiacl
< 1221599161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*identical
< 1221599163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm talking about the algorithm
< 1221599167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well the binary match syntax too?
< 1221599171 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no
< 1221599173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the syntax is also similar, despite the paradigm being different
< 1221599180 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's one section of two lines
< 1221599185 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of it looks like prolog
< 1221599189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Prolog uses [ | ] rather than << / >>
< 1221599193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and yes erlang did take a lot of syntax from prolog
< 1221599195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that it's the same syntax
< 1221599198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is for lists
< 1221599198 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< / >> is not [ | ]
< 1221599206 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< >> is some weird binary thing
< 1221599207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, in Prolog it would be a list
< 1221599209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and / is for data type
< 1221599221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<>> is indeed a binary like tusho said
< 1221599235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what about erlang's use of ,;.
< 1221599240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in fact slightly annoying
< 1221599248 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not identical
< 1221599251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it use ,;. instead of {} blocks
< 1221599253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since prolog doesn't really have structures like that
< 1221599259 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, {} blocks suck
< 1221599262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Prolog, , is and and ; is or
< 1221599264 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly
< 1221599268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example , between statements, ; at the end of a block and . at the end of the final function block
< 1221599270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and . is the end of a predicate
< 1221599284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when you move stuff around you need to change line ending
< 1221599290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, is necessary AFAIK, ; isn't as you can simulate it with other things and in fact people normally don't use it
< 1221599295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least I don't need to change indention like in python
< 1221599299 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't? why not?
< 1221599302 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(use ;)
< 1221599306 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: change identation?
< 1221599309 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*indentation
< 1221599311 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, your editor sucks.
< 1221599311 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221599319 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just rearrange and voila.
< 1221599320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: because you can write the condition twice instead, that's often clearer
< 1221599353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance p(A,B) :- q(A) ; r(B). can also be written p(A,B) :- q(A). p(A,B) :- r(B).
< 1221599365 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cool, I didn't know that worked
< 1221599367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, your editor auto indents?
< 1221599371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the few contexts where doing it with the ; is shorter and neater, normally writing twice works better though
< 1221599374 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Uh...yes?
< 1221599378 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, I am 1970!
< 1221599380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah well
< 1221599388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mine does too for erlang or such
< 1221599393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but copy paste, blergh
< 1221599398 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for befunge then? ;-P
< 1221599404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: python-mode handles rearranging and copypasting and everything
< 1221599411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just not an issue
< 1221599417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does even the word "indentation" make any sense in befunge context?
< 1221599421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: do you use Prolog much? Writing multiple conditions is really common
< 1221599452 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have a Prolog course at school right now so no, I don't use it much, but I better learn it soon ;-)
< 1221599457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance p(A,B) :- A = 1 ; A = 2, q(B) is better written p(1,_). p(2,B) :- q(B).
< 1221599461 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, of course not. :-P
< 1221599492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get used to that sort of thing after a while; probably very quickly as I hardly know Prolog but I know tricks like taht
< 1221599495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ah/ha/
< 1221599513 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the case I was thinking of was p(A,B) :- q(A,B) ; q(B,A).
< 1221599531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that could be written out twice, semicolon's probably neater there
< 1221599537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonably unusual to see something like that
< 1221599542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you use q for anything else?
< 1221599549 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q was given in the assignment
< 1221599555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, q(A,B) :- q(B,A) at the end of the definition of q might have been neater
< 1221599569 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221599573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the teacher doesn't let you modify their predicates, though...
< 1221599578 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to define predicates out of order?
< 1221599582 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e.
< 1221599589 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p(A,B). q(A,B). p(B,A).
< 1221599590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: depends on the implementation, I think
< 1221599598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one of the ones I used didn't conform to the standard
< 1221599606 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case I think it could be done
< 1221599609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in-order is neater anyway, and asserts are allowed out of order
< 1221599629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, q(A,B) :- q(B,A) doesn't work
< 1221599632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an infinite loop
< 1221599646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't match, right
< 1221599647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logically correct but not programatically correct
< 1221599657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid logic being so idealistic
< 1221599675 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, can that be dealt with?
< 1221599676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so easy to write an infinite loop in Prolog because you write something that's mathematically correct but can't be implemented...
< 1221599677 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Stupid programming being so pragmatic.
< 1221599691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, q(A,B) :- q(B,A) works just fine in Proud
< 1221599718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is idealistic not pragmatic
< 1221599723 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, I know, I think I need to understand the evaluation model a bit better as I'm finding it a bit hard to reason about predicates
< 1221599725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand Proud doesn't work just fine on modern computers
< 1221599728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "Proud"?
< 1221599738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: basically Prolog minus all its restrictions
< 1221599749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? and why doesn't it work on modern computers?
< 1221599750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esolang I invented and never specced, nor really worked out the syntax for
< 1221599754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's superTuring
< 1221599759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah........
< 1221599761 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221599771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, solves the halting problem?
< 1221599785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, it can compare functions
< 1221599791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think so
< 1221599807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so could I, give me the program code or byte code for two functions
< 1221599813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I shall be able to compare them
< 1221599832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the byte code match, the functions logically match too
< 1221599846 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you can compare any two single functions
< 1221599852 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tell us if they do the same thing or not
< 1221599854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, functions can do the same thing despite having different code
< 1221599856 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(compute the same thing for the same arguments)
< 1221599858 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
< 1221599860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, x*2 is the same as x+x for integer x
< 1221599865 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you are the most amazing human ever found on this planet
< 1221599877 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can calculate, er, anything
< 1221599878 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe
< 1221599941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: AnMaster's found a sufficient but unnecessary condition
< 1221599950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two functions having identical bytecode are the same, generally speaking
< 1221599953 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221599960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but two functions can be the same even with different code
< 1221599975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> AnMaster: no, functions can do the same thing despite having different code <-- of course
< 1221599985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the question wasn't clear enough
< 1221599994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for instance, imagine comparing a function which prints 1 if there's a solution to the Riemann hypothesis with a function which always prints 1
< 1221600018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for "<ais523> for instance, x*2 is the same as x+x for integer x" <-- strong typing functional language, and a good optimiser, then byte code will be same
< 1221600035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, yes, but that was a trivial example
< 1221600041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed I couldn't solve that
< 1221600084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nobody can, it's a super-Turing problem
< 1221600096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however if you write the first function then I shall gladly try
< 1221600098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1221600101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible to write a Proud program to solve that problem, though, thus Proud is super-Turing
< 1221600114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, this explains the existence of some of Prolog's restrictions...
< 1221600131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you can solve it in some cases, you can say that two functions are "definitely the same" or "maybe different"
< 1221600135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the byte code test
< 1221600145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that isn't super-Turing
< 1221600159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could compare it to an interpreter that ran Proud programs sometimes, if they weren't too difficult
< 1221600162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but the original question wasn't clear enough then
< 1221600163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be pretty eso in itself
< 1221600336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how goes gcc-bf and Feather?
< 1221600343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not much progress atm
< 1221600353 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng19-0-0-cust700.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221600361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy finding displacement activities to avoid having to work out how to divide 64-bit numbers in 8-bit brainfuck
< 1221600373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone would just paste an algorithm, that would be great...
< 1221600376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well do all the other parts work?
< 1221600382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the only bit left?
< 1221600387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most of them, there are a few other parts roughly as difficult as that
< 1221600391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the other parts aren't tested
< 1221600398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well what other parts?
< 1221600406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few other relatively easy things to do like comparisons
< 1221600406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test the parts you can test
< 1221600417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make hello world in it
< 1221600423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 32-bit cfunge should work fine
< 1221600428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you have double data type
< 1221600540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also it can't be that hard
< 1221600560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, just extend the algorithm for working on 16 bit divide, then the one for 32-bit
< 1221600568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually two of the 32-bit
< 1221600572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ some glue magic
< 1221600574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should work
< 1221600580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have code for that, it's insanely slow even to think about
< 1221600586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I compiled the asm for it to see what would happen
< 1221600590 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and brainfuck in general isn't? :-P
< 1221600593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think it calls itself recursively in an infinite loop
< 1221600593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how many lines?
< 1221600603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, then it is broken
< 1221600605 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 9000
< 1221600606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably a few thousand taking into account all the recursive calls
< 1221600612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fix that
< 1221600621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what is that reference?
< 1221600643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cfunge got some recursive calls in it hm
< 1221600667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :body recursive in at least one case
< 1221600671 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dragonball z, english dub of the anime, a guy looks at something that tells him the power level of his enemy, yells "over 9000" in disgust and crushes the device
< 1221600674 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately
< 1221600685 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably easy to find on youtube
< 1221600700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, some rpg?
< 1221600706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what is that dragonball?
< 1221600711 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english dub of the anime, like I said
< 1221600717 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which word do you not understand :-P
< 1221600719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you don't have power levels outside games
< 1221600724 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you do :-P
< 1221600735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't, not measurable ones
< 1221600738 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you do :-P
< 1221600750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not in real life anyway
< 1221600754 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later on their power levels are so high though that the devices just break
< 1221600757 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you think?
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< 1221600779 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1221600791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, turn off that script
< 1221600810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way you could say it same second otherwise
< 1221600821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1221600823 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1221600825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's definitely a script, tusho was asking me to cycle to help em debug
< 1221600846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that but it says it in several different channels...
< 1221600895 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no.
< 1221600897 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 was going to script it
< 1221600904 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he only gave up because he thought it not worth the effort
< 1221600907 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, it is fair game
< 1221600924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: "not worth the effort", exactly
< 1221600932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but i've already done the effor
< 1221600932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided the gain from it would be small and possibly negative
< 1221600932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1221600936 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no effort for me, so.
< 1221600945 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we stopped really playing the game a while ago
< 1221600946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meh
< 1221600951 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.s. you just lost the game
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< 1221601539 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Maybe I'll try finding the phone number of "Greg Richards" instead.
< 1221601662 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221602387 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1221603605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1221603608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, tusho
< 1221603612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1221603612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Deewiant
< 1221603616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-questions/2003-May/008886.html
< 1221603621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C. Pressy used erlang
< 1221603625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would have thought
< 1221603631 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1221603638 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at catseye.tc sometime would you
< 1221603640 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has tons of erlang stuff
< 1221603655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah I looked at his befunge pages mostly
< 1221604261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221604270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all
< 1221604279 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221604279 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1221604283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1221604323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1221604765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
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< 1221604957 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1221604960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connecting to Tor is slow.
< 1221604971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: in #esoteric?
< 1221604988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION says c-b-l to confuse the #esoteric denizens the same way it confuses the ##nomic denizens
< 1221605694 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221605911 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
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< 1221607066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ais523 says c-b-l to confuse the #esoteric denizens the same way it confuses the ##nomic denizens
< 1221607080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies!  There is _no_ c-b-l
< 1221607109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually I was in #c-b-l a while ago, it was empty though
< 1221607131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a one person c-b-l is no c-b-l
< 1221607165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you are a schizophrenic solipsist, perhaps
< 1221607208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/schizophrenic/multiple personality/
< 1221607241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm would a solipsist have to believe he has multiple personality disorder, i wonder
< 1221607869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"9"
< 1221610135 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1221613953 0 :CO2Games!n=CO2Games@75-173-245-211.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221614786 0 :CakeProphet!n=bread@h202.27.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221614881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh great prophet, will I get any cake today?
< 1221620757 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1221620875 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horray for brainstack
< 1221620903 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has FUNCTIONS :D
< 1221620912 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And MACROS
< 1221620938 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#i10{++++++++++}
< 1221620939 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i32{%i10%%i10%%i10%++}
< 1221620940 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(,[*i32**i32**i32**i32*.0,])
< 1221620987 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# declares a macro, % inserts it
< 1221621034 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should only be able to define functions and macros to symbols
< 1221621043 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else it isnt esoteric enough :P
< 1221621048 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! declares a function, * calls it
< 1221621058 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft
< 1221621079 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i guess you could just compile into brainfuck
< 1221621117 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why D:
< 1221621246 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns into !i32{++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++}
< 1221621248 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(,[*i32**i32**i32**i32*.0,])
< 1221621350 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could really just combine function and macro
< 1221621358 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if all a function does is textually inserts its parameters
< 1221621375 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what it appears to do
< 1221621427 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1221621450 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macro is just for cleaning up code
< 1221621472 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions actually CALL and RET
< 1221621491 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSFunci32:
< 1221621491 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOV EAX,[pos]
< 1221621491 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INC [tape+EAX]
< 1221621492 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1221621493 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOV EAX,[pos]
< 1221621494 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INC [tape+EAX]
< 1221621495 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RET
< 1221621496 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start:
< 1221621511 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOP
< 1221621512 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOV EAX,[pos]
< 1221621513 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CMP [tape+EAX],0
< 1221621514 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JE BSWhile1E
< 1221621515 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSWhile1B:
< 1221621516 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALL BSFunci32
< 1221621518 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALL BSFunci32
< 1221621518 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALL BSFunci32
< 1221621535 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALL BSFunci32
< 1221621535 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOP
< 1221621536 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOP
< 1221621536 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOP
< 1221621537 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOV EAX,[pos]
< 1221621538 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CMP [tape+EAX],0
< 1221621539 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JNE BSWhile1B
< 1221621540 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSWhile1E:
< 1221621555 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end start
< 1221621691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is whether a macro can do anything a function cannot
< 1221621717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(functions could recurse, i hope)
< 1221622307 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If assembly can recurse functions, so can this
< 1221622409 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately functions don't get their own tape.
< 1221622449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then any macro could be assembled as if it was a function instead, and the behavior of the program would still be the same
< 1221622476 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, functions can't recurse?
< 1221622488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, i think
< 1221622499 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would a macro recurse?
< 1221622514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cannot.  but it cannot do anything a function cannot, either
< 1221622530 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true...
< 1221622548 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros are essentially #defines in c++
< 1221622566 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except they don't take parameters
< 1221622569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i thought
< 1221622621 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they can pop from the stack, and push back onto it.
< 1221622624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could let them take parameters, that would be a difference.  easier to implement than for functions, too
< 1221622643 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1221622645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think)
< 1221622672 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could give functions their own tape to work with.
< 1221622706 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementing parameters on macros sounds interesting
< 1221622759 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm not sure how they would work
< 1221622852 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean macros are exactly the same except they are inline instead of seperate code.
< 1221622931 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an interesting ordeal...
< 1221622976 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how would parameters be passed to the macro?
< 1221622989 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously not through the stack like functions.
< 1221623006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would be expanded inline of course
< 1221623019 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expanded inline?
< 1221623028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like C's #define is one way
< 1221623050 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't a parameter list for brainstack macros though
< 1221623079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would require some added syntax
< 1221623088 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1221623113 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so how would these parameters be accessed?
< 1221623139 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside the macro I mean
< 1221623139 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ...if I'm not identified.
< 1221623165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C's #define does it by name, you might access them as if they were macros themselves.  or you could do it by argument position.
< 1221623197 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221623260 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1221623269 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so something like %macroname|9|+% for the call?
< 1221623294 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1221623317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that would be the wiki style wouldn't it
< 1221623334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mediawiki templates)
< 1221623351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or resembling it)
< 1221623693 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then maybe something like #macroname{@looper$u:@@MOV ECX,$0@+@loopc looper@}
< 1221623732 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$u for a unique id, incrementing every time the macro is used
< 1221623742 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we don't get label conflicts
< 1221623758 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$0 for the 0th argument...
< 1221623760 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit
< 1221623771 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#macroname{@looper$u:@@MOV ECX,$0@$1@loopc looper@}
< 1221623772 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1221623811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't there be a $u at the end too
< 1221623821 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so %macroname|9|+% increments the ...oh right
< 1221623829 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#macroname{@looper$u:@@MOV ECX,$0@$1@loopc looper$u@}
< 1221623840 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so %macroname|9|+% increments the cell 9 times
< 1221623873 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%macroname|57|V% pops the stack 57 times
< 1221623927 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ surrounds inline assembly
< 1221623932 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I should add right now
< 1221624050 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, added
< 1221624051 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case '@':fputs(gets_until('@'),asmout);break;
< 1221624095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets O_O
< 1221624127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs away screaming
< 1221624147 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a function that uses getchar and keeps doing that until it gets the given character
< 1221624173 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then dumps it out as a string
< 1221624180 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err wait no it does fgetc
< 1221624202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where are you putting it?  gets is just begging for buffer overrun
< 1221624226 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1221624241 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's used by the converter
< 1221624262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the string allocated, i mean
< 1221624275 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char buffer [1024]
< 1221624292 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah I know I know
< 1221624320 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah blah string std vector blah buffer overflow blah segfault win32 blah blah access violation, I GET IT.
< 1221624339 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chose char arrays, and I stuck to it
< 1221624370 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, I'm using vectors for the macros, and strings for the macro contents
< 1221624389 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh except the names
< 1221624393 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the names are 256 chars
< 1221624616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does a little segfault da
< 1221625511 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-98-89-121.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221628015 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shit, can I eat you?
< 1221628213 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: What's your involvement with Qemu?
< 1221628273 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1221628276 0 :megatron!n=moozilla@207-118-41-248.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221628292 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Oh yeah ... blah blah blah pleasantries etc :P
< 1221628325 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I use it.. and they needed someone to host the FAQ.. so I made it into a wiki, and it went from there
< 1221628342 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't contributed much content.. mostly grammar and link fixing
< 1221628345 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okidoke. Just had seen the URL and was wondering :P
< 1221628393 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I had to use non-free virtualbox to communicate with my timex data link watch :(  qemu usb kept giving data errors
< 1221628406 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Durn :(
< 1221628420 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave it a good try tho
< 1221628431 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemu is faster
< 1221628443 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using an array of Qemus to build things across multiple platforms automatically ^^
< 1221628458 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it installed windows 98 at least 3 times as quickly as vbox
< 1221628464 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as->more
< 1221628484 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to port bf to my watch
< 1221628490 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoot.
< 1221628502 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :125 bytes of ram
< 1221628528 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus whatever I can reclaim from my 900 bytes of program code
< 1221628543 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :125 bytes D-8
< 1221628595 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, bf interpreters aren't terribly large
< 1221628606 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm hoping to get at least another 500 bytes
< 1221628607 0 :oklobol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221628614 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the SDK actually provided by Timex, or is it a user hack?
< 1221628623 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :provided, amazingly
< 1221628630 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is amazing.
< 1221628634 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My watch is nonprogrammable :(
< 1221628649 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they even coded a build system.. windows only, but I guess the watch was codeveloped my microsoft so I can't blame them
< 1221628653 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my->by
< 1221628676 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the earlier ones even had microsoft printed on the face
< 1221628694 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's why I didn't look into it.. hmm
< 1221629236 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My watch is ultrapowerful, but still no SDK *sigh*
< 1221629246 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which?
< 1221629257 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221629287 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/super-cool-mobile-phone-wrist-watch/
< 1221629315 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got one of those?  hahaha
< 1221629348 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work well as a phone?
< 1221629353 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extremely.
< 1221629360 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider it to have been an excellent buy.
< 1221629370 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat.. whats the typical battery life like?
< 1221629471 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day with moderate phone use, two days on average.
< 1221629490 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It comes with two batteries, which is nice since you can just swap them out whenever and never have the phone off for long.
< 1221629509 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone working on hacking it?
< 1221629522 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to my knowledge.
< 1221629669 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it might be possible.. does it allow firmware upgrades?
< 1221630027 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a hash function that incorporates something like levenshtein distance
< 1221630040 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings with a levenshtein distance of less than n hash the same
< 1221630145 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or s/levenshten/similar algo/
< 1221630606 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOH, generate the set of strings, sort it and hash the concatenation
< 1221630608 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1221630691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um this sounds like everything must hash the same, by transitivity
< 1221630724 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221630725 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1221630726 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1221630763 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not
< 1221630862 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl, tired
< 1221630865 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1221630931 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221631556 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221631797 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221633227 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ok I think everything's working now
< 1221633233 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I need to test the converter
< 1221633271 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye
< 1221633677 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i was wrong
< 1221633778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people often are
< 1221633812 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if this is even possible
< 1221633858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what "this" is
< 1221633900 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to find the fuzzy-union of two sets in O(n)
< 1221634018 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what that is
< 1221634161 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i meant interesection
< 1221634206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, there was something intuitively trivial about that union
< 1221634409 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God damnit
< 1221634418 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out a way to get nested loops working
< 1221634526 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(m+n) then for two sets, or what?
< 1221634540 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brainstack converter
< 1221634589 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah
< 1221634728 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfuzzy intersection is easy, you just use a hash table
< 1221634733 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Jesus loves you"
< 1221634949 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good time-of-day"
< 1221635367 0 :megatron!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :moozilla
< 1221638399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1221638400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221639332 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@151.60.134.230 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221643036 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221643741 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1221644740 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | And this somehow has to do with /translating/ the specs?
< 1221647407 0 :jix!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221647519 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Jesus loves you"
< 1221647977 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1221652329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I know this is picking at irrelevant details but...
< 1221652331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: 1y and 5y do not disagree about =
< 1221652331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No reliable cross-platform method of testing: assume = works
< 1221652344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could test it in this case, check that it reflects :P
< 1221652352 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.85.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221652353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since y indicates it is not implemented
< 1221652357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1221653365 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
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< 1221657895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1221660289 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1221661842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1221664896 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And I invented doors, no joke!"
< 1221666340 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | what are the default namespace mappings?
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< 1221669635 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1221670804 0 :Slereah_!n=x@ANantes-252-1-24-38.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221670804 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221672029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1221674096 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, Mike is working hard getting Rc/Funge-98 to behave on MycoTRDS the same way CCBI does :-)
< 1221674231 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng19-0-0-cust700.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221674536 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1221674975 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1221675712 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221675714 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tusho
< 1221675717 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklobol
< 1221675755 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan
< 1221675758 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey anmaster
< 1221675763 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey pikhq
< 1221675764 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey psygnisfive
< 1221675770 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey deewiant
< 1221675772 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221675810 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I don't get a "hey." *sobs uncontrollably*
< 1221675846 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: hey.
< 1221675858 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey all
< 1221675863 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done, problem solved.
< 1221675892 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-P
< 1221675899 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ae5ir: who are you
< 1221675912 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the terror that flaps in the night
< 1221675914 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really.
< 1221675934 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to come in here maybe a couple years ago
< 1221675936 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as Robdgreat
< 1221675938 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? you totally had me going there
< 1221676047 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No way that was on the order of years.
< 1221676146 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know you much gregor D:
< 1221676228 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10/10/05 was when I registered the nick
< 1221676313 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc this channel was the reason I first came to this network
< 1221676424 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am an enigma.
< 1221676502 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than an enema
< 1221676506 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am an enigma wrapped in a mystery wrapped in questions wrapped in a warm flour tortilla served with chips and guacamole for only $4.95 for a limited time only.
< 1221676543 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a five!
< 1221676550 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus tax
< 1221676572 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taxes?
< 1221676576 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RON PAUL!
< 1221676579 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLON RAU!
< 1221676592 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sales tax in OR :)
< 1221676603 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not in OR, but my point stands)
< 1221676637 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true? yes. relevant? perhaps not.
< 1221676638 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1221676652 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOUCHÉ SIR
< 1221676665 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221677433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have that and a medium coke, thank you
< 1221677464 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which kind of coke?
< 1221677477 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero
< 1221677533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either that or infinity
< 1221677581 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that is not quite what i was referring to
< 1221677599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.  maybe.
< 1221677605 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the legal kind.
< 1221677642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring, i know.
< 1221677786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i am sure i've seen robdgreat earlier this year.  i kept confusing him with robert.
< 1221677799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who isn't here much either?
< 1221677837 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221678069 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I've been in here since back when, just not very frequently
< 1221678349 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am confusing robdgreat with RodgerTheGreat
< 1221678352 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rodgort: Ok, who are YOU?
< 1221678366 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirDayBat: Or you!
< 1221678395 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirDayBat smells finnish
< 1221678404 0 :SirDayBat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1221678417 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh yeah I came back after a long absence and he accused me of stealing his nick -_-
< 1221678438 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH YEAH
< 1221678441 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my confusion.
< 1221678456 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ae5ir: rodgerthegreat is an asshole, so i'm not surprised
< 1221678459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/robert/rodger/
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< 1221680602 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
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< 1221681674 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1221683767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's what graphviz thinks of fungot's fingerprint-loading parts: http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/bg.png
< 1221683767 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks for your help
< 1221683786 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm not sure that graph will help you any, but sure, no problem.
< 1221683786 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hold on a second
< 1221683915 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you do that yourself or generate it somehow
< 1221683968 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's some generation involved in any case, but you know what I meant
< 1221684084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrote a bit of Java (since oklopol was talking about it the other day) to do a tiny amount of static Funge source code analysis.
< 1221684148 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat - what can it do? checks for # _ or something or is it more clever?
< 1221684176 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically there's a "collect cells to a graph" function which, when coming across things like _| or "# followed by something that might reflect" calls itself recursively to handle the two branches, and then some more code to combine "uninteresting" (single in-edge, single out-edge type) vertices to longer strings.
< 1221684219 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool :-)
< 1221684229 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently there's branching only for _| and the #-reflect case, but I guess I'll need to add some sort of heuristic for the "j" jump tables, as well as '?', if I intend to be able to pass whole fungot through it.
< 1221684229 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's n being shifted by k. dick fellow writes crap. at least i can
< 1221684270 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it gets confused somewhere in fungot sources. Must fix later. Should go to sleep early today, so maybe tomorrow.
< 1221684270 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't worry about that stuff.
< 1221684283 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're being surprisingly coherent today.
< 1221684846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> Wrote a bit of Java (since oklopol was talking about it the other day) to do a tiny amount of static Funge source code analysis. <-- wow?
< 1221684879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where can you see the source?
< 1221684884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find*
< 1221684934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also you need to handle x and w, + some other
< 1221684960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course when the program is self modifying it will be harder
< 1221684970 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible
< 1221684987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes at least unless you can see no code cell get overwritten
< 1221685005 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't see that, it's impossible.
< 1221685011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could tell the analyser "all stores in negative funge space are for data"
< 1221685018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give it that hint
< 1221685026 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: not impossible
< 1221685027 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :superturing
< 1221685032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make the actual source code non-modifying
< 1221685073 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i.e. impossible. :-P
< 1221685075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree there  will always be cases it *can't* handle of course
< 1221685083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :D
< 1221685086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can make it more or less good
< 1221685091 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really want a goddamn oracle machine
< 1221685092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1221685094 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna write stuff with language.c
< 1221685095 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1221685099 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph of control flow in c
< 1221685106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have functions be bubbles, and flowcharts inside
< 1221685107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how come a human can work out the flow of such a program then?
< 1221685111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are humans super turing?
< 1221685113 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with little arrows pointing to other bubbles and back again
< 1221685113 0 :oklobol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopimp
< 1221685115 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :into the flowchar
< 1221685117 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1221685118 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no
< 1221685118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do we just execute them in our head?
< 1221685120 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a human can't do it either.
< 1221685122 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, we just have reasoning skills
< 1221685125 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not perfect
< 1221685129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, indeed
< 1221685130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we cannot do it for all cases
< 1221685134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very true
< 1221685139 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most likely our reasoning could be simulated by a computer
< 1221685140 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most likely humans do execute them in their heads.
< 1221685141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just don't know how
< 1221685144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes
< 1221685148 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I do. :-P
< 1221685149 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we execute in our heads in a limited form
< 1221685163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, follow the code flow to see what happens
< 1221685197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "formally verified" programs. Obviously someone must have reasoned a lot about those?
< 1221685217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue how you actually "formally verify" a program
< 1221685223 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if on any other media there's been as much leasurely chatter about turing completeness as in here
< 1221685247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they are just theorem proving systems
< 1221685251 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theorems could be written badly
< 1221685258 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can prove something yourself
< 1221685259 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> same problem
< 1221685265 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's even more flawfilled though
< 1221685272 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flawfilled? :-P
< 1221685276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm just trying to make it good enough to handle fungot, not any sort of funge-98 program. I don't think I'll even do 'x' (even though in many cases a simple constant-folding-type of thing would work) since I don't use it.
< 1221685295 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those c graphs would be win
< 1221685295 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1221685341 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: formally verifying is proving things work as they're supposed to
< 1221685352 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving is a vast subject with tons of techniques
< 1221685365 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of which you most likely are aware of
< 1221685372 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :induction, for instance
< 1221685384 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the techniques he doesn't understand
< 1221685390 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1221685406 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a confident guesser
< 1221685417 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed with oklopimp on the not understanding
< 1221685417 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221685482 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: induction isn't really something many people use in their thinking unless been taught to
< 1221685515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Deewiant> induction, for instance <-- certainly, I used it in math in school
< 1221685522 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i invented it for a math test once, but well i'm a pimp that's just how i roll)
< 1221685528 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1221685531 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wrong
< 1221685538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if it is what I think it is in Swedish
< 1221685545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bevis genom induktion"
< 1221685557 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what you think it is
< 1221685577 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people do not understand induction
< 1221685583 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore AnMaster does not understand induction
< 1221685619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, f(n) = .... for any integer n always returns (n-1)/n, then you prove that it is true for n = 1, and then that if it is true for n = 1, then it have to be true for any integer n
< 1221685637 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221685650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err?
< 1221685652 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like if it's true for all integers up to a certain number, it will be true for that number + 1
< 1221685674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopimp, right, what I meant. Except I'm just home from Aikido, so kind of sleepy
< 1221685692 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i'm sure you get it, i just found your explanation confusing
< 1221685708 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaanyway, induction is one of the ways you can verify algos
< 1221685715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopimp, probably since I'm almost sleeping on the keyboard
< 1221685730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so heading to bed shortly
< 1221685737 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun, i just slept like 4 hours
< 1221685758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopimp, well did you just came home from a two hour session of Aikido?
< 1221685775 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i just woke up from a 4 hour sleep
< 1221685780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well
< 1221685780 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did aikido as a kid
< 1221685782 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fun
< 1221685785 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kicked ass
< 1221685787 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i quit
< 1221685790 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you later ->
< 1221685795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopimp, you quit? why?
< 1221685810 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually i guess you don't kick much ass in aikido)
< 1221685818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopimp, indeed you don't
< 1221685823 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quit because i was a kid and i got bored with things
< 1221685827 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shop ->
< 1221685836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspected you meant it metaphorically(sp?)
< 1221685845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, can you explain why Finnish ppl seem to use "->" for "afk"?
< 1221685851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least all in here
< 1221685879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: stop ripping me
< 1221685880 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked that first
< 1221685881 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 5 times
< 1221685887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, did you get any answer?
< 1221685893 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its just the culture, from what i gather
< 1221685898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and yes I know you asked too
< 1221685899 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc started in finland, right?
< 1221685905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did
< 1221685908 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just kind of grew, someone used it, it continued, but then we imported our chatspeak
< 1221685913 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ... the divide just kinda grew
< 1221685920 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so finnish irc channels use it
< 1221685921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway then I'm going to start using "<=" at the beginning of lines or something
< 1221685922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but english ones don't
< 1221685927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh no I got a better one
< 1221685928 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when finns are on english ones
< 1221685930 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use what's natural to them
< 1221685932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they use ->
< 1221685933 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1221686033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm heading to bed now
< 1221686034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exeunt
< 1221686114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, the funge-graphery actually helped me notice a bug: there in ^save if 'O' fails, the code will go nowhere.
< 1221686185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ok, pastebin the code please
< 1221686195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have some nice GUI btw?
< 1221686254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of files, and no GUI, and I won't be sharing the code just yet, still playing with it a bit.
< 1221686272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, aww, would like to see it
< 1221686300 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1221686340 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? It's Java, of all things.
< 1221686359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I got a jdk 1.6 around
< 1221686364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for other apps I need
< 1221686377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't like coding java, but I accept using it
< 1221686395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not my primary choice no, but if that app is good it is ok
< 1221686421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically I need it to run a level editor on a game where I develop on the server code, which is in C)
< 1221686473 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I've got a 4920x15464-pixel image of fungot sources made with that thing; it might be the buggy. http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/fungot.png
< 1221686501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning do not open in firefox
< 1221686518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashed
< 1221686518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just opened it in firefox.
< 1221686531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, firefox 2.x or 3.x?
< 1221686545 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.something.
< 1221686556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah still 2.x due to stable in distro
< 1221686564 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.0.2, OS X.
< 1221686581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there are a lot of empty bubbles?
< 1221686607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think it's because the node-combinatator removes <>^v from those nodes, but isn't intelligent enough to remove empty nodes.
< 1221686608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I would like to try it on some smaller program
< 1221686610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to understand it
< 1221686611 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must fixery that.
< 1221686655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about http://catseye.tc/projects/befunge93/eg/life.bf
< 1221686668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue if it is too self modifying
< 1221686689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I *can't* reason about that program
< 1221686737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/life.png says dot.
< 1221686765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where is the *start* node
< 1221686787 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There in the middle.
< 1221686795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the one with a incoming "->" from nowhere.
< 1221686799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well that doesn't make it a lot clearer
< 1221686831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about the program in http://bzr.kuonet.org/cfunge/trunk/annotate/418?file_id=count.b98-20080502072851-9xxna708q7kcdybc-1
< 1221686834 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must remove those empty nodes, it'll be better then. And neato would produce nicer graphs except that it needs some serious adjustments to make nodes not overlap.
< 1221686834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is html that link
< 1221686840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^
< 1221686853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very simple program
< 1221686917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it is golfed for space
< 1221686929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less
< 1221686933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :count.png there.
< 1221686935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be smaller I bet
< 1221686968 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221686978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah it fails at program wrapping around edge
< 1221686983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which that one does for space reasons
< 1221687005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see on line 3, .:<
< 1221687009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one will wrap
< 1221687016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait or does it fail?
< 1221687018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to say
< 1221687032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should work.
< 1221687040 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't that ".:" go to the correct 1+... node?
< 1221687049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :count2.png is how neato layouts it.
< 1221687050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes it does
< 1221687065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you mean upside down compared to program
< 1221687072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find count.png easier to read
< 1221687096 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Abandonando"
< 1221687136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I think I can understand count.png since I wrote the original program
< 1221687142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot does hierarchic graphs better, since it gives a "rank" for each node.
< 1221687166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you mean count.png? yeah count.png is better
< 1221687178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :straight lines too
< 1221687189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean vertically
< 1221687197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, try antialias, it would help a lot
< 1221687210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the lines and the circles
< 1221687258 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you insist on looking at the sources, they're at http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/bg.tar.gz -- builds with ant, uses Runtime.exec to invoke Graphviz. And is very very incomplete and work-in-progress.
< 1221687294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I didn't insist at looking at source, but I insisted at running it
< 1221687325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUILD SUCCESSFUL
< 1221687326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total time: 6 seconds
< 1221687331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 6 files heh
< 1221687334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221687335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 files
< 1221687349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do I run it? there is no jar file?
< 1221687392 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't bothered to add a "dist" target to the build.xml.
< 1221687408 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just do "java -cp build befgraph.BefGraph program.b98 output.png" in the top dir.
< 1221687431 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, after all, not a distribution yet.
< 1221687455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1221687460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found a bug in cfunge...
< 1221687465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1221687466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes
< 1221687478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ignored - for integer input...
< 1221687523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1221687528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does ccbi?
< 1221687540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, are implementations supposed to ignore - in &?
< 1221687548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please input a number: -4
< 1221687548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDEF: got 4 which is hopefully correct.
< 1221687551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for both cfunge and ccbi
< 1221687569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please input a number: -4
< 1221687569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDEF: got -4 which is hopefully correct.
< 1221687571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for efunge
< 1221687590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which is right I wonder?
< 1221687628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, lets see what happens on mycology
< 1221687638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file mycology.png
< 1221687638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology.png: PNG image data, 1859 x 1832, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
< 1221687648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's surprisingly small.
< 1221687658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of nodes on each other
< 1221687670 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I think I left "neato" there as the layout engine.
< 1221687680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where would I change it?
< 1221687682 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can change it in BefGraph.java, just s/neato/dot/
< 1221687720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it seems to be antialiased at least
< 1221687722 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- is a digit, so I guess "4" is more right: & specs say "reads and discards characters until it encounters decimal digit characters".
< 1221687762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well hm
< 1221687770 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the graphviz version at the SuSE box I was running it on might be a bit old and not support any antialiasationary stuff. Not sure.
< 1221687773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file mycology.png
< 1221687773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology.png: PNG image data, 1856 x 5019, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
< 1221687778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smaller?
< 1221687782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1221687785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very very wide?
< 1221687796 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221687796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no tall
< 1221687804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is Y x X
< 1221687806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not X x Y
< 1221687808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1221687826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my dot seems to do antialiasing
< 1221687827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1221687841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks way nicer than the output you got
< 1221687900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, http://omploader.org/vcjZl
< 1221688010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, somehow I don't think that graph is complete
< 1221688122 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dot I have at work is very very old, but since I started that program there, I've been running it there too.
< 1221688138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it might easily get confused by unexpected code flow.
< 1221688150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, better check where it gets confused
< 1221688156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see everything up to y :D
< 1221688193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it hits the "p does not modify space" I think
< 1221688219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can't solve that
< 1221688231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, self-modification is no good.
< 1221688246 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it doesn't do x and ; yet; at least ';' is used in mycology. Although ; is easy.
< 1221688260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1221688270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about []?
< 1221688289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the p check is way earlier
< 1221688294 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those neither. Hey, fungot graph must be also semi-broken because of that.
< 1221688302 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's at least one ] in there.
< 1221688302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, w?
< 1221688311 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. Don't use 'w' in fungot. :p
< 1221688318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1221688320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like w
< 1221688321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very useful
< 1221688337 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I just have my Befunge-93 roots.
< 1221688351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if you use [] then...?
< 1221688597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was just because I had to rearrange some code and got a >< pair that would've needed to overlap that was solvable with a single ].
< 1221688806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err I mean those two instructions
< 1221688812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that specific construct
< 1221688858 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I had a "coming from up, do <; coming from down, do >" case which I did with a ]; I think that's the only place where fungot uses either [ or ]. Although there might be a second place somewhere.
< 1221688910 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rather like the generated fungot.png scaled to 25% of the size. It sort-of looks very enterprisey. Now if I could just fix the empty-node-removal. I thought I got it right, but now it got confused because an empty node had two outgoing edges, which shouldn't really be possible.
< 1221688963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/xVQ6FN79.html <-- hm nice format
< 1221689088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I'd like to see the static analysis as complete as possible
< 1221689091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be very nice
< 1221689184 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do some improvements, but I doubt I'll care enough to start analyzing the state of the stack, for example. I did do that once for a Befunge-93 compiler which did constant-folding, though.
< 1221689209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice!
< 1221689227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, except well that would not work for self modifying programs
< 1221689233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but I'd like to see the code
< 1221689250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could JIT it though
< 1221689294 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure where I have the code.
< 1221689349 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also written in Java, and it was supposed to target the Java VM so that it could recompile stuff when self-modification occurs. Got bored midway through and only did a proof-of-concept code-generation backend that generated C code.
< 1221689400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehehe?
< 1221689465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also most funge programs tend to use self modification to store variables at least
< 1221689484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lazy recompilation
< 1221689522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in fact I planned to rewrite that count program to use self modification and a '
< 1221689578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's curious, I enabled the empty-node filtering and fungot.png grew in size.
< 1221689657 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's because I also added [ and ] instructions.
< 1221689709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where can I check out last version?
< 1221689751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got bzr, hg, darcs, svn, cvs, git and monotone installed
< 1221689762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still wanna make that c control flow graph it would pwnz0r
< 1221689784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, would certainly be interesting, but aren't there already such things?
< 1221689790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1221689792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't care
< 1221689794 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is better
< 1221689803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, go code it, maybe after botte?
< 1221689838 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually give a shit about botte right now since nobody is actually in a situation requiring it
< 1221689842 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might code it if i can be bothered, that would be something
< 1221690000 0 :ihope!n=Peggy@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221690184 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I guess you can do a "git clone http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/git/befgraph" but don't expect updates very often.
< 1221690194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll sleep now.
< 1221690202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: AnMaster hates git
< 1221690216 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, git was listed there in the list of acceptable methods.
< 1221690301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221690308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I accept using git if I *have* to
< 1221690310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ok
< 1221690324 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points a gun at AnMaster's head
< 1221690328 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use git for all your projects.
< 1221690332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never
< 1221690334 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or- bang.
< 1221690334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and busy
< 1221690350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess death doesn't fall under the umbrella of have to.
< 1221690461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points a gun at tusho's head
< 1221690469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never use git again, use mercurial or bzr!
< 1221690474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or- bang.
< 1221690478 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1221690484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1221690493 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, because you didn't really point a gun at my head.
< 1221690500 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was acting in the context of the fictional gun-pointing
< 1221690503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221690504 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as IRC is a virtual environment
< 1221690509 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pointed the gun at my head in real life, yes, of course I would.
< 1221690513 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you _think_
< 1221690518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well I was breaking the fifth wall before ;P
< 1221690520 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dun dun dun
< 1221690524 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Fourth wall.
< 1221690524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no no
< 1221690529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no tusho
< 1221690531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe sixth
< 1221690538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not not fourth
< 1221690563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, a channel like #esoteric got a non-trivial space time geometry ;P
< 1221690567 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is starting to wonder if the room is 3d at all
< 1221690571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(warning: probably technobable)
< 1221690579 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think #esoteric obeys any kind of geometry
< 1221690582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all sort of wishy-washy
< 1221690586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1221690599 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are things i wouldn't do even with a gun pointed at my head
< 1221690605 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1221690606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, s/you _think_/she said/
< 1221690608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Hausdorff compactum.  we are still unclear on whether it is metrizable.
< 1221690651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait
< 1221690661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hausdorff compactum?
< 1221690663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/compactum/compact space/
< 1221690682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well I can kind of guess now what thing it may be
< 1221690685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot the slight difference
< 1221690697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, aspell doesn't like metrizable, please explain it
< 1221690746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a topological space is metrizable if its topology can be got from some possible distance metric
< 1221690782 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(metric = distance function, essentially)
< 1221690799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well that clarified one, no two, things at least: 1) we were talking about topology as I thought 2) You know way more than I do about it
< 1221690809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and 3) I didn't get what you just said :P
< 1221690812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly
< 1221690845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not entirely sure what he's saying either
< 1221690871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm hoping ihope is the only other guy here who understood that
< 1221690890 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum.
< 1221690899 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopimp> there are things i wouldn't do even with a gun pointed at my head
< 1221690900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name some
< 1221690901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was just an attempt at technobabble.  the fact that the terms actually exist should not detract from that point.
< 1221690952 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can I have some technobabble on the subject of oko
< 1221690957 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's a Hausdorff compact space and we don't know whether it's a metric space thingy.
< 1221690966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1221690994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: oko calls more for spiritual babbling, i feel
< 1221691002 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've forgotten what Hausdorffness is. It's a separation axiom, I know.
< 1221691008 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do that then
< 1221691020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: any two points are in disjoint open sets
< 1221691029 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, disjoint.
< 1221691047 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there's any particular Hausdorff compact space whose metrizability is unknown.
< 1221691063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the essence of oko is in a transcendental logosphere of infinite reproduction
< 1221691065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i would never kiss a guy in public, for instance
< 1221691091 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two guys kissing with a gun pointed at one of their heads
< 1221691095 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be ... an odd situation
< 1221691101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoiding death does not have an infinite priority for me.
< 1221691121 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does asiekierka have an email address out there somewhere?
< 1221691126 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I imagine it does, instinct-wise.
< 1221691135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay i guess that's a bad example since i've kissed a guy while drunk once
< 1221691138 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1221691146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was something i really didn't wanna do, i wouldn't do it
< 1221691177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, if someone pointed a gun at me and told me to tell them they're more intelligent than me, i probably wouldn't.
< 1221691196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: i'm sure there is something involving extra unprovable ZFC axioms or something.
< 1221691255 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like adding true-but-unprovable axioms to things.
< 1221691270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like adding your mum to things
< 1221691273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, how do you know they are true then?
< 1221691284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :axioms aren't true
< 1221691298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're nothing
< 1221691305 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: by the lack of a counterexample.
< 1221691331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: his nick at gmail.com popped up on the third google page
< 1221691348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that makes it true, only a relative probability that it is in fact true
< 1221691374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing can be proved, there can always be a mistake in the proof
< 1221691408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that, you seem to have misunderstood everything about math, AnMaster
< 1221691429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hah
< 1221691441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had to guess (with a gun at your head), would you say that the Riemann hypothesis is 1) false 2) true and provable 2) true but unprovable
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< 1221691466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I realize this is the wrong question to ask. But that makes it even more interesting (IMHO)
< 1221691480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well (2) is the most interesting
< 1221691488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, agreed
< 1221691490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, (3)
< 1221691492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, i don't know if it's true, because i've forgotten what that is
< 1221691493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221691497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I guess so
< 1221691501 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, my brainstack compiler now supports macro parameters
< 1221691505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your numbering was off
< 1221691514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, off compared to?
< 1221691527 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately my current problem involves std i/o
< 1221691527 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you used 2) twice
< 1221691530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221691531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1221691532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1221691534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meant 3
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< 1221691571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: axioms are not "probably true", as in "things that cannot be proved but might be true", they are things we've decided to hold as true, to see what happens should we do so
< 1221691596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's riemann? explain it in an irc message
< 1221691598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes I know what an axiom is
< 1221691605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_hypothesis
< 1221691615 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a link with the word in it
< 1221691619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly an explanation
< 1221691622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1221691626 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%repeat|65|+%%repeat|25|.+%
< 1221691639 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prints the alphabet in allcaps
< 1221691649 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still need to fix . and ,
< 1221691653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, you know this is hardly a turing tarpit any more
< 1221691656 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I need to implement [ and ]
< 1221691657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night everyone
< 1221691661 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1221691709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clicks link
< 1221691923 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw AnMaster, it supports inline assembly via the @ command
< 1221691957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games, ewwwwwww
< 1221691962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and night really now
< 1221691969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns off screen
< 1221691973 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1221691983 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is gay
< 1221692002 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has sex with pigs
< 1221692024 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :litterally like oink oink
< 1221692038 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah ok maybe he did turn off the screen
< 1221692048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games is a bit confused about the word "gay" i think
< 1221692065 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he's gay *and* has sex with pigs
< 1221692080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[citation needed]
< 1221692081 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not limited to pigs
< 1221692083 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1221692102 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway macro parameters work now
< 1221692138 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't run the programs assembled and linked by masm compiled by BFToASM
< 1221692141 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1221692198 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit I just can up with a really bad pun
< 1221692217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's infectious
< 1221692225 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"or-gasm", using or's in gasm
< 1221692229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, madness
< 1221692233 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madness?
< 1221692241 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS #ESOTERIC!
< 1221692247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1221692252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madness is mandatory here
< 1221692258 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh yeah you got a point there
< 1221692306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is andgasm the dual concept?
< 1221692377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it was.  well, nearly.
< 1221692467 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1221692678 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xorg-asm
< 1221692683 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor-gasm
< 1221692710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gorgasm
< 1221692972 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD4bn5pp32w&feature=related
< 1221693071 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad that's actually a gasm-or.
< 1221693124 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know I'm molestin` ox's now."
< 1221693616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be true.  everyone knows people who misuse apostrophes are sexual deviants.
< 1221693689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, bathyspheres.
< 1221693928 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a misuse of an apostrophe, it's a misuse as an apostrophe.
< 1221693955 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1221694042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it wasn't actually an apostrophe character?
< 1221694045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what
< 1221694057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221694063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i guess it was about the ox's
< 1221694067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have no idea
< 1221694072 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misuse of accents *brr*
< 1221694079 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just squintering my way through the world of scent and danger
< 1221694163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scent-based UI _sound_ nice, until you get spam
< 1221694247 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And I invented doors, no joke!"
< 1221694267 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't want a scent-based UI unless I were Florence Ambrose...
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< 1221694943 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1221696579 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1221698627 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklopol
< 1221698936 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1221699010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey psyggie
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< 1221700573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221701037 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1221705108 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1221709540 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | it shouldn't be, it's not any different from what's happening now, it just happened earlier.
< 1221709795 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mirth"
< 1221710872 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1221716092 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a lambda calculus solver in JavaScript :P
< 1221716116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"solver"?
< 1221716151 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, "solver" = terribly irrelevant term X-D
< 1221716164 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lambda calculus interpreter.
< 1221716169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1221716249 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has colorization :P
< 1221716352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like http://worrydream.com/AlligatorEggs/ ?
< 1221716564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. Someone *doesn't* like Gregor Richard's 7th Opus. How dare he?
< 1221716571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, come to Missouri and hunt him down.
< 1221716583 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1221716594 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone /does/ like it? X-P
< 1221716607 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite fond of your opuses.
< 1221716618 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Although alligator eggs = awesome, this is a bit more ... quick n' simple :P
< 1221716639 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1221716642 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick but not simple.
< 1221716650 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Feel like elaborating?
< 1221716708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't heard GregorR's opi
< 1221716722 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://codu.org/music.php
< 1221716737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you i'm only saying that so i can use the faulty plural.
< 1221716751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i shall do listen yes today.
< 1221716752 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's such an amusing faulty plural :P
< 1221716759 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! that was the point
< 1221716810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: They're decent piano pieces.
< 1221716821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I like them.
< 1221716837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the plural is "opera"
< 1221716840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as someone not liking them? Guy in my suite *dared* put on something else. How dare he?
< 1221716853 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221716854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1221716988 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed it is
< 1221717003 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a minute, you already knew?
< 1221717009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's substantially less faulty.
< 1221717067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't see that line about faulty plurals
< 1221717147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221717165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure whether i would've remembered opera actively
< 1221717169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it _could_ have been opi
< 1221717209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you're lying
< 1221717250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all i know there's such a homonym in latin
< 1221717255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(could be)
< 1221717271 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-us, -i  is 2. declension
< 1221717299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-us, -era is 3. declension
< 1221717306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just going by nucleus and cactus, and knew opus didn't support that
< 1221717311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-us, -us is 4th
< 1221717321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1221717343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 3rd one might have other options too, it's complicated
< 1221717357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much information!
< 1221717589 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"-> bus"
< 1221717665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"-> bike"
< 1221718084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no bzr at work, I think both Mercurial and Subversion need support from the server (Subversion at least uses that DAV module), CVS doesn't really do HTTP and I don't really know Monotone, so I think the choice was between darcs and Git.
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< 1221719103 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topic is love
< 1221719107 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1221719115 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamnit
< 1221719118 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate mirc
< 1221719122 0 :oklopimp!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklofok
< 1221719922 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok
< 1221719923 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you
< 1221719924 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1221719928 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night :p
< 1221719932 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get aim plz
< 1221719968 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously. i want to talk to you more but i cant since you're only on irc and my school makes it hard to use irc
< 1221719970 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so get aim
< 1221719975 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya ::hug::
< 1221719976 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1221720029 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
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< 1221723531 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, I added them 'j' jump tables, here's fungot's token-to-text part: http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/tokenizer.png
< 1221723677 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's @, is it top
< 1221723794 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is the "end program" command, I just added @s to all the "outgoing" code paths from that piece of code.
< 1221723807 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/interp.png -- the brainfuck interpreter; it looks even nicer.
< 1221723826 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Execution starts from that node where there's a "->" from nowhere.
< 1221723956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1221724024 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what week is it?
< 1221724029 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, number of week
< 1221724031 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1221724059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, how many weeks elapsed since beginning of current year
< 1221724198 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Week 38.
< 1221724227 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 1-based indexing and mondays as first days, although that latter part doesn't really change much in this case.
< 1221724309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can that be googled? :)
< 1221724371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First hit of "current week number" seems to have 38 in it, at least.
< 1221724377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, everyone should use Monday as first day
< 1221724389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunday as first doesn't make sense
< 1221724405 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a suitable operating system, "ncal -w" will also tell you the week number.
< 1221724417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ncal: command not found
< 1221724419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1221724432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "date +%V" more portably.
< 1221724470 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ncal is not everywhere; it's not on this SuSE box, but it is on the Ubuntu box over there, in the "bsdmainutils" package.
< 1221724508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why does sunday as first day not make sense?
< 1221724544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whenever you like it or not (I don't) the week is based on religion, basically the bible.
< 1221724577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there it says (iirc) that on the seventh day the god rested, since sunday is a non-work day it is clear that should be the seventh day
< 1221724578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have zero idea how that's relevant
< 1221724582 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221724603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saturday being a non-workday is a far newer invention really
< 1221724615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look back 100 years (or less)
< 1221724628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the week at a random point in time where christianity was born, was monday-based?
< 1221724642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus others make no sense?
< 1221724662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course other make *sense*, but not on the Western culture
< 1221724692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1221724727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i'm not sure i follow you, but i guess that doesn't matter.
< 1221724799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1221724998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/fungotsmall.png makes my poor little program look really rather complicated.
< 1221724999 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: or by " basic" :)
< 1221725075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the whole fungot source?
< 1221725076 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it is very hard
< 1221725122 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues to rub it
< 1221725145 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it. Although there might be bugs in the graph-drawing that make it miss things.
< 1221725169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it a widely used superprogram
< 1221725176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221725192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by graph-drawing you mean your graphifying the source?
< 1221725207 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Graphviz will probably work correctly.
< 1221725222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1221725291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does graphviz do something genetic-like, there are small anomalies you could never get with a static approach
< 1221725300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance
< 1221725308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottom left, just above the small cluster of nodes
< 1221725321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is that weird corner the one edge does :P
< 1221725333 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one of the edges
< 1221725351 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that might be a rounding-thing when it's calculating the edge-splines or whatever it uses for drawing those.
< 1221725386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other layout algorithms Graphviz has -- I could try the 'fdp' one at least. And I could definitely try a more recent graphviz, this one is ancient.
< 1221725419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wants the vertical lines to be separated with equal distances
< 1221725436 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah it's round because of the rounding
< 1221725460 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, it goes to the left beyond necessary too for no apparent reason
< 1221725466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-too
< 1221725468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, a numerical round-off thing when calculating how to curve that mostly-horizontal part of the line.
< 1221725494 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know anything how Graphviz actually draws that stuff.
< 1221725530 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the curve is correct
< 1221725551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the anomaly is the horizontal line is too long
< 1221725565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221725578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if i'm confusing vertical and horizontal
< 1221725583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221725585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt i am
< 1221725600 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horizontal is ---, since that's what the horizon does.
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< 1221725678 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That picture was drawn with a Graphviz from May 2006; I think I'll try the one from Feb 2008 we have on the Ubuntu boxen.
< 1221725746 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.tkk.fi/htkallas/fungotsmall.png
< 1221725746 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: because i forgot to check whether other parents have this slot or not?
< 1221725774 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still a slight bump in the lower-left corner, but it's smaller now.
< 1221725877 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, there's the "throw 1d16" part a bit higher up, it's very recognizable from shape.
< 1221726051 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole graphing thing might not really be very helpful in understanding the program, but at least the pictures are pretty.
< 1221726065 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could keep a printed-out copy of that thing on the wall.
< 1221726234 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 300 dpi, the unscaled version would be about 72 cm wide and 139 cm tall, a reasonable size for a poster.
< 1221726279 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, fungotfdpsmall.png at that users.tkk.fi address is the fdp-layout version. It's... less good.
< 1221726280 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a list of strings? what kind of package system does netbsd have?
< 1221726305 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: If I recall correctly, netbsd has that BSDy "ports tree" thing. I don't see how a list of strings is relevant here.
< 1221726305 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good. then my method gives the right definition.
< 1221726520 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll try neato with "graph [overlap=false,splines=true]" and hope that poor computer can even process the whole graph then.
< 1221726639 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, someone has updated these computers. Even this workstation now has three gigs of memory and a quad-core Q6600 cpu.
< 1221727038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh nice
< 1221727045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q6600?
< 1221727055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what arch?
< 1221727085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a core2, so I assume x86-64, but the userland and kernel there seem to be 32-bit.
< 1221727090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221727118 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the local IT people haven't bothered to craft a different image for the 64-bit-able boxen.
< 1221727123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q6600 huh, what kind of name is that for an Intel CPU
< 1221727135 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what they're named nowadays.
< 1221727139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1221727149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it supposed to mean even?
< 1221727163 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much.
< 1221727184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1221727204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ennnn models are dual-core, and Qnnnn ones are quad-core; and Xnnnn is dual-core "extreme", while QXnnnn is quad-core "extreme". I don't remember what was so extreme about the "extreme" models.
< 1221727232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more cache would be nice
< 1221727454 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this one table I'm not seeing any other difference between Q6700 and QX6700 except that the "extreme" model has an unlocked clock multiplier for the overclocking crowd, and few hundred dollars more price. Both have 2*4M of L2 cache.
< 1221727484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wow you could run DOS in just the cache
< 1221727485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1221727499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not possible, but still...
< 1221727507 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, neato has been running for about 20 minutes now, with no sign of stopping.
< 1221727515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab
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< 1221729538 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! The neato run finished, took only 50 minutes. Probably it has created a: horrible mess.
< 1221729560 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... it created a zero-byte file.
< 1221729565 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was not what I wanted.
< 1221729720 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your TKK homepage still links and redirects to befunge.org
< 1221729748 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1221729791 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed it to point at zem.fi, even though there's really no content there either.
< 1221730408 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh, the neato layout (with "overlap=ortho,splines=true") is very... organic: http://users.tkk.fi/htkallas/fungotneatosmall.png
< 1221730408 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: het2: and those can only be understood after 20 years it's fnord
< 1221730441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't think I'll be able to understand that graph after 20 years of fnording either, whatever that means.
< 1221730700 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess plain old "dot" is probably the best idea for code-graphs.
< 1221730766 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've yet to see a graph which doesn't look better in dot than anything else
< 1221730810 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen some small graphs that worked a lot better with neato than with dot.
< 1221730853 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221730871 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, is there some sensible image viewer for looking at these ~10kx10k pixel images without using much memory?
< 1221730957 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dot graph is readable even as a "small" 4264x8182 image, but that's still a bit large for this workstation with only 512 megs of memory.
< 1221730996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221731022 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think running xli remotely won't help much either, as it creates a XImage which probably will eat up memory here locally at the X server.
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< 1221731140 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | SevenInchBread i think oerjan or someone told you that a few days ago
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< 1221731486 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221732990 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1221733006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a graphviz tweakery program would help. Something that would run dot first, then provide a GUI for dragging nodes around, and finally would ask Graphviz to reroute edges. Currently the initialization part sticks out of the graph like a sore thumb.
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< 1221734362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm I hit another weird issue with erlang: non-printable chars to STDOUT are always output as escaped
< 1221734370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't found a solution for it yet
< 1221734420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1> io:format("~c~n", [7]).
< 1221734420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^G
< 1221734420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2> io:format("~c~n", [254]).
< 1221734420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\376
< 1221734724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3> io:format("~c~n", [80]).
< 1221734724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P
< 1221734776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems to be a issue with the stdout itself in erlang, not a problem with io:format
< 1221735457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that's curious: it doesn't happen here with the Erlang version installed on these boxen.
< 1221735487 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eshell V5.5.2  (abort with ^G)
< 1221735487 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1> io:format("~c~n", [254]).
< 1221735487 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :þ
< 1221735930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, V5.6.4 here
< 1221735953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also what about LC_ALL?
< 1221735959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used LANG=C LC_ALL=C
< 1221736002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iso-whatever-it-is not utf8
< 1221736043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1> io:format("~c~n", [254]).
< 1221736044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\376
< 1221736054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with: LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8 LC_ALL=sv_SE.UTF-8
< 1221736111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the default LC_ALL=en_US.ISO8859-15 they have there, so [254] is printable. Still, io:format("~c~n", [7]). also produced a bell character, based on the terminal flash.
< 1221736113 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Jesus loves you"
< 1221736141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well not here
< 1221736170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo $ERL_AFLAGS $ERL_ZFLAGS $ERL_FLAGS
< 1221736216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ?
< 1221736225 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't have any of those variables et.
< 1221736232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1221736233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221736237 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ et/ set/
< 1221736250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they changed it then since 5.5.2
< 1221736264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which leads to another question. what OTP release is 5.5.2?
< 1221736270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R11B?
< 1221736285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.6.4 is R12B-4 at least
< 1221736307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 5.x.x is just the erlang runtime system (erts) version
< 1221736690 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my "Erlang OTP R11B" is "Erlang (BEAM) emulator version 5.5.5"
< 1221736722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well possibly R10B then, that is rather old
< 1221736734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and efunge have only been tested with R12B
< 1221736740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may or may not work on older
< 1221736809 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 5.5.2 is R11B too, since /usr/local/lib/erlan/bin/start.script says "OTP  APN 181 01","R11B".
< 1221736840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe a difference patch release of R11B then. like R11B-2 or R11B-5 then
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< 1221737541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1> MyPort = erlang:open_port({fd, 0, 1}, [out, binary]).
< 1221737545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#Port<0.97>
< 1221737554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2> MyPort ! {self(), {command, <<$a,7,10>>}}.
< 1221737555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1221737555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : {<0.30.0>,{command,<<97,7,10>>}}
< 1221737557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it works
< 1221737559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackish
< 1221737574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably behaviour you can't depend on
< 1221737876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah it works with -noshell, thus when running it freestanding
< 1221737887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using io:put_chars and io:format
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< 1221739913 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
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< 1221743267 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1221743282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1221743457 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.pixelbeat.org/programming/gcc/static_assert.html
< 1221743466 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you like gcc crazy things
< 1221743489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: static asserts in all C compilers is a solved problem
< 1221743504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you define an array which has size -1 if the statement is false and size 1 if the statement is true
< 1221743511 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, true
< 1221743512 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still
< 1221743515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a neat way of doing it
< 1221743535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Autoconf uses that method in order to determine size of types when cross-compiling
< 1221743553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses binary search on the type size with static asserts to see if the program compiles
< 1221743610 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g*
< 1221743640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works quite effectively, actually, for gcc-bf that would be considerably faster than just measuring the 'correct way'
< 1221743646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because gcc-bf compiles fast and links slowly
< 1221743715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I've never seen that done with enums before, probably arrays is better
< 1221743720 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is the gcc-bf on c.e.o up to date
< 1221743722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a C compiler needn't error on 1/0
< 1221743723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no
< 1221743730 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: update it :p
< 1221743743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I need to sort out just what's part of it and what isn't first
< 1221743747 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221743752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that things have got so jumbled now
< 1221743767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether to add the gcc and newlib sources as an official part of the project yet
< 1221743779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both need to be patched for it, one of the patches is I think for a genuine bug in gcc
< 1221743837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one that doesn't affect most modern processors, it's machine-specific, and it's possible it doesn't affect any of the architectures gcc currently targets
< 1221743859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also found the equivalent of assert(FALSE) because the gcc people couldn't be bothered to implement a certain case that never comes up on more standard architectures
< 1221743868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, three of them would use it except that they all special-cased it
< 1221743880 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is such a mess
< 1221743887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know
< 1221743899 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still cannot wait for clang...
< 1221743903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like someone with a similar attitude to AnMaster has gone over the code
< 1221743910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ?
< 1221743912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and noted all the places where it's doing something incomprehensible
< 1221743918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't sure how to fix it
< 1221743924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any assert(false);
< 1221743930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, that was someone else
< 1221743932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly have assert() to help catching bugs
< 1221743933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than one person worked on gcc
< 1221743937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do they take things absolutely literally like AnMaster? :)
< 1221743944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some of comments there reminded me of you
< 1221743950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/of/of the/
< 1221743973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh like?
< 1221743978 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, AnMaster's coding style is mostly fine apart from the micro-optimization for something like gcc or ruby or python or any actual 'real' thing
< 1221743984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: let me try to find one
< 1221743991 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for esoteric programming language interps the way he critiques all our code because it doesn't live up to those standards is annoying
< 1221743993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the problem i have
< 1221743994 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else
< 1221744005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, nice to know :)
< 1221744026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I do impose certain minimal coding standards on myself
< 1221744044 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimal :D
< 1221744050 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure, that's fine, not arguing with that
< 1221744057 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't like how you impose them on us :p
< 1221744088 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221744089 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Ello.
< 1221744092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221744097 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221744098 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | But if it can hosts the Andrei Machine 9000, I'll give it a look.
< 1221744102 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221744102 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | :-)
< 1221744104 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221744105 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | so that book covers hieratics, too?
< 1221744106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221744107 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | soon
< 1221744109 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221744110 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | You can cross-compile
< 1221744110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* ??? Should be able to merge these two by examining BLOCK_REG_PADDING.  */
< 1221744112 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vant interesting topikk
< 1221744114 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221744115 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | even then, one can do all the others
< 1221744118 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221744122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an example of the sort of comment I was thinking of
< 1221744124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh what?
< 1221744129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? is gcc's equivalent of TODO, by the way
< 1221744131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was ignoring that
< 1221744133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah ok
< 1221744137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: similar English style, too
< 1221744144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I use TODO/FIXME an such if that is what you mean
< 1221744150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think everyone does
< 1221744152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since my editor makes them stand out in red
< 1221744153 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he means the style of english
< 1221744155 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you said
< 1221744160 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1221744161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1221744161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like _he_ said
< 1221744169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see anything special about the English style?
< 1221744178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-idiomatic?
< 1221744188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not from that comment
< 1221744191 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps he has seen others
< 1221744194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221744196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that sort of sentence fragment is something I see you do from time-to-time, but most other people don't
< 1221744217 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* ??? Should be able to merge these two by examining BLOCK_REG_PADDING.  */
< 1221744217 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i would write this as
< 1221744219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sorry, not sure what "sentence fragment" is.
< 1221744240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: something that looks a bit like a sentence but isn't grammatically correct, in this case because there is a verb in it but no subject
< 1221744241 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* these two could probably be merged with BLOCK_REG_PADDING */
< 1221744242 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1221744256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, that looks more idiomatic
< 1221744286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221744296 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is the document by which i derive my c style: http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/pikestyle
< 1221744304 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very reasonable to me
< 1221744314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how similar it is to theirs
< 1221744315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the last section
< 1221744317 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with it in principle
< 1221744319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mean like "BASE - I/O for numbers in other bases"
< 1221744322 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on today's systems...
< 1221744323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1221744324 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't really work
< 1221744348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's also a sentence fragment, although that's one of the contexts in which a fragment makes sense
< 1221744360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fragment's aren't wrong, as such, on their own (although they are wrong inside larger paragraphs)
< 1221744370 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *fragments
< 1221744374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in lists and so on they're pretty common
< 1221744376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well comments in C code tend to be on their own a lot of the time
< 1221744378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks, it was a typo
< 1221744380 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SHIT! HERE COMES AN 'S'!
< 1221744381 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221744389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fingers knew that line needed an apostrophe
< 1221744399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they guessed before an s, which is a decent place to put one, generally speaking
< 1221744403 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think of the sentence in advance
< 1221744406 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I never have that kind of problem
< 1221744415 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, I probably couldn't think of "fragment's aren't wrong, as such, on their own (although they are wrong inside larger paragraphs)" in my head
< 1221744425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write down my sentences as I think of them, just a little ahead of my typing
< 1221744427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when the aren't came up they realised that was where the apostrophe went and put another one in
< 1221744429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, your fingers guess? They can think of their own?
< 1221744430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221744431 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I can amend them to work while writing them
< 1221744443 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, his brain guessed.
< 1221744446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to some extent, that's how everyone gets good at typing, I thought
< 1221744446 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1221744452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my brain controlling the fingers, really
< 1221744456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, of course I know.... I was trying to build up a joke
< 1221744459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ruined it
< 1221744465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the part responsible for typing rather than the part responsible for thinking up sentences
< 1221744466 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: good, i'm sure it was terrible :-)
< 1221744473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps tusho 
< 1221744480 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot the big wet troat
< 1221744482 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*trout
< 1221744486 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big wet trout or it didn't happen
< 1221744489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I don't use aliases
< 1221744493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well I got one
< 1221744496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps tusho with a super-large, super-smelly, decaying digitally-enhanced reinforced IRC-grade trout
< 1221744504 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't AnMaster an alias? :o
< 1221744516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2, I normally avoid torut
< 1221744518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trout*
< 1221744521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he asked for it
< 1221744535 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*torus
< 1221744539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop
< 1221744555 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps AnMaster with a torus
< 1221744559 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEEL THE HOLE
< 1221744585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: one thing lots of people don't realise is that commenting every line with what it does is actually helpful while learning asm
< 1221744599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although preferably comments explaining what the program does, on lines of their own, help too
< 1221744600 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is a c style guide
< 1221744602 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not asm
< 1221744603 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221744604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1221744611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, er, i write my c code for people who know c
< 1221744611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1221744618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm is so much easier to read when every line has been translated into English and you don't know the notation, though
< 1221744680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the section at the end is unaware of how modern preprocessors work
< 1221744686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: look at the date
< 1221744691 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the author
< 1221744695 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"                            Rob Pike
< 1221744695 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                          February 21, 1989 "
< 1221744702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221744702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, he can be forgiven for that
< 1221744711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders
< 1221744714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but modern people can be forgiven for not following it
< 1221744720 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1221744723 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said i don't agree with the last section
< 1221744815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the "Algol­68 report"?
< 1221744819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how did it look
< 1221744823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: standard for Algol-68
< 1221744826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is mentioned in that link tusho gave
< 1221744832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the programming examples in it were beautifully formatted
< 1221744841 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALGOL_68
< 1221744858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly the people preparing the standard had a pretty-printer
< 1221744872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm also willing to believe that someone there was crazy enough to format them all perfectly by hand
< 1221744892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ALGOL-68 isn't whitespace-sensitive, so the programs could have been written all one one line if desired...)
< 1221744894 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the beef I have with just about every "beautiful coding" style:
< 1221744895 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes they care too much: pretty printers mechanically produce pretty output that accentuates irrelevant detail in the program, which is as sensible as putting all the prepositions in English text in bold font.
< 1221744920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: or carefully indent each column in source code which actually reads from left to right?
< 1221744922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that link tusho gave seems to suggest syntax highlighting is bad?
< 1221744936 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, just irrelevant syntax highlighting
< 1221744938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: syntax highlighting and pretty-printing are different
< 1221744942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221744943 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also plz2be looking up the definition of pretty-printer
< 1221744945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax higlighting makes files easier to edit by catching typos
< 1221744946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indent(1) is a prettyprinter
< 1221744956 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :astyle(1) or whatever is too
< 1221744970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty-printing can incidentally catch typos too, but its main purpose is to make source code look nicer and therefore easier to read
< 1221744980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well I use astyle myself. And I argue that one coding style per file is easier to read than a mix of several
< 1221744988 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the second sentence is irrelevant
< 1221744993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that pretty-printers have got it backwards
< 1221745000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, because that is what I use astyle to fix.
< 1221745006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had forgotten that 'isnt' was an ALGOL-68 keyword
< 1221745012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah
< 1221745012 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not the point
< 1221745013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to love old-fashioned languages...
< 1221745029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, the quotes are relevant unless you pragma a different way to specify keywords
< 1221745038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221745040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, not quotes
< 1221745042 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, decided there's no point arguing with AnMaster a while ago, he just calls me a troll and never, ever changes his stance on any point...
< 1221745043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default was to precede by a .
< 1221745045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.isnt
< 1221745068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia seems to underline all the keywords
< 1221745088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do change my stance on some issues
< 1221745089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact apparently in one implementation you would write a keyword like isnt as isnt^H^H^H^H____
< 1221745097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which IMO is crazy, but there you go
< 1221745102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1221745106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: intercal should do that
< 1221745107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... the creators of INTERCAL probably knew about this too
< 1221745109 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fr'lz
< 1221745115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it does in some of the operator names
< 1221745124 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for underlining
< 1221745125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most portable way to write the unary XOR operator is V^H-
< 1221745138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for underlining, though, you're right, but underlining was just a way to specify keywords
< 1221745149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the Report, all the keywords were in bold and everything else was in italic
< 1221745167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ALGOL-68 is one of the few languages which allows you to have a variable and a keyword with the same name
< 1221745195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how you were specifying keywords, the keyword and variable would either be .isnt and isnt, or ISNT and isnt, or isnt and _isnt
< 1221745239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia has a similar example, actually: comment "bold" comment comment with the first and last instances of "comment" underlined
< 1221745267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ALGOL-68 also allows spaces in variable names
< 1221745295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly that's where the _ means space in a variable name convention came from
< 1221745318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you wanted to call a variable for in but were using RES stropping, you would write for_in because the underscore dekeyworded the words to either side
< 1221745332 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how Rob Pike thinks UNIX and its principles are dead:
< 1221745344 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# "Not only is UNIX dead, it's starting to smell really bad." - circa 1991
< 1221745345 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# "Those days are dead and gone and the eulogy was delivered by Perl." - on one tool for one job
< 1221745345 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# "I started keeping a list of these annoyances but it got too long and depressing so I just learned to live with them again. We really are using a 1970s era operating system well past its sell-by date. We get a lot done, and we have fun, but let's face it, the fundamental design of Unix is older than many of the readers of Slashdot, while lots of different, great ideas about computing and networks have been developed in the last 30 years. Using Unix is the c
< 1221745351 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet that last one got cut
< 1221745364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1221745392 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where
< 1221745397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using Unix is the c
< 1221745424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urk, Wikipedia just reminded me of Algol's strange terminology too, for instance "monadic" is Algolese for "unary", and "name" is Algolese for "address of"
< 1221745425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omputing equivalent of listening only to music by David Cassidy."
< 1221745434 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: monadic = unary is APL/K/etc too
< 1221745440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other languages around that time
< 1221745445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still confusing if you know Haskell though...
< 1221745446 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only have two kind of operator/functions: monadic and dyadic
< 1221745458 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Or category theory. :P
< 1221745527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algol has the opposite problem to C++ to some extent, there was so much implicit casting going on that they needed a different operator to compare pointers and the things they pointed to
< 1221745530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus is versus =
< 1221745543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I too agree with that link you posted before, apart from last section
< 1221745563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your commenting style is quite opposed to it
< 1221745567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algol translated into C is interesting: all variables end up as type const
< 1221745574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :headers should be possible to include in any order (unless there are exceptional circumstances) and also several times
< 1221745575 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :justifying the text, and the fancy * stuff at the start of continuing lines and such
< 1221745576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance in C you would write int i;
< 1221745578 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and doxygen
< 1221745585 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is directly arguing against things like doxygen
< 1221745594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, how do you mean? comment style? Yes I used doxygen in headers to auto generate documentation
< 1221745595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :translating the Algol style you'd get int * const ip = alloca(sizeof(int));
< 1221745607 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: perhaps you should read that article again...
< 1221745609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that?
< 1221745619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a garbage-collected malloc rather than alloca if you needed the variable to stick around
< 1221745624 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an important point, because it's another aspect of the singular point it makes
< 1221745667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, the reason I document headers is it is API docs for fingerprint developers
< 1221745715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly the best part of ALGOL for someone who likes crazy language design is that it has 5 different sorts of context
< 1221745716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is also the case of the gpl header. for obvious reasons
< 1221745733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the context of something determines what implicit casts can be applied to it
< 1221745734 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmph, sqlobject is weird
< 1221745742 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody in #python knows it, apparentl
< 1221745742 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1221745748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can create a strong context by putting in an explicit cast, but that's cheating really
< 1221745783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221745788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay: http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/language/other/a68rr/rrtoc.htm
< 1221745793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ALGOL 68 report is publically online
< 1221745805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it in paper form, but it's nice to know other people can get it too
< 1221745890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to find the PDF: the flowchart's pretty necessary for understanding coercion
< 1221745907 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1221745909 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why won't that wurorkwrk
< 1221745914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vestein.arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de/~wb/RR/rr.pdf
< 1221746072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what sort of official language specification uses words like SITHETY as names for BNF groups?
< 1221746081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you can call them anything you like, but really...
< 1221746257 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is a pg-13 channel!
< 1221746259 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, it's not
< 1221746280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: anyway, if you've never read the ALGOL-68 Revised Report, you should
< 1221746284 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1221746291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably the paper version as I can't find the flowcharts in the PDF
< 1221746296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: because it's almost an esolang
< 1221746300 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221746306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concepts aren't particularly unusual, but all the trappings are
< 1221746329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably if it was proposed nowadays people would think it was an esolang
< 1221746333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, spaces in variable names?
< 1221746353 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that in lisp
< 1221746360 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|hello world|
< 1221746400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: algol requires no special syntax for it, though
< 1221746407 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not special syntax
< 1221746413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you put vertical bars in
< 1221746421 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but you could never use "hello"
< 1221746423 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just |hello|
< 1221746426 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(|setq| |hello world| 2)
< 1221746435 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setq is syntactical sugar for |setq|
< 1221746437 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say
< 1221746446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ref int hello world = auto int;
< 1221746450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops
< 1221746457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ref .int hello world = .auto .int;
< 1221746465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I'm going to change the keywording style
< 1221746479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be abbreviated to .int hello world; the same way as in C
< 1221746664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1221746805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate OS X... I have to help mom reinstall OS X on her mac again, since it managed to become unbootable again... In fact even windows xp have less issues than OS X 10.4 (don't know about 10.5, but 10.4 is bad)
< 1221746822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it's an macbook
< 1221746838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used it, except for a short time to use a text editor once
< 1221746873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems to consist of *two* install DVDs
< 1221746885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot
< 1221746906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason for it to become unbootable
< 1221746910 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a hardware problem
< 1221746918 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think of any known problems that'd do that, anyway
< 1221746932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your mom suddenly decided to go in the terminal and type every command ever
< 1221746935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well I did boot from a linux cd with memtest, no issues. could be other hardware of course
< 1221746941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, nop she use GUI
< 1221747222 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's curious, since I've had 10.4 on this iBook for a couple of years now (four, it seems) and there have never really been any OS-related trouble.
< 1221747241 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not four years with OS 10.4, since it had 10.3 when I bought it.
< 1221747262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this one was sold with 10.4. Don't remember how long ago
< 1221747274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is the third reinstall
< 1221747325 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then it is almost certainly a hardware problem i'd say
< 1221747341 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have had absolutely 0 problems with 10.4 for the few years i've used it
< 1221747358 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people I know who use OS X have barely any problems
< 1221747362 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not unbootable ones
< 1221747364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it isn't memory, I used memtest86+ from a bootable linux cd
< 1221747369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(arch I think it was)
< 1221747378 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you've said
< 1221747391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and I don't know any other diagnosis tool
< 1221747409 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1221747434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well disk diagnosis, and that shows no issues either
< 1221747459 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask on a mac site?
< 1221747464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the issue wasn't the same every time, the first time the file system had got corrupted, this time it seems that only the system itself got corrupted in some way, since all files seems readable
< 1221747466 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's tons of them with hardware sections
< 1221747476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll do that
< 1221747487 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, though
< 1221747557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, this time booting into that "command line only" mode worked, but I couldn't get the GUI running. It just locked up in the middle of the boot process (I waited over three hours, so I don't think it was "just a bit slow")
< 1221747571 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"command line only mode" = single user mode
< 1221747576 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every unix has it
< 1221747601 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you asked her what she was doing before it became unbootable?
< 1221747608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :users can be very silly :^)
< 1221747694 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also often worth a try if you feel like more troubleshooting than a reinstall: booting with the "command-v" key combination pressed; it should boot without the GUI progress-bar thing and show related messages.a
< 1221747714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, of course I asked here
< 1221747715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :her*
< 1221747814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"turned on computer, checked mail, worked with work related stuff in word (she is a teacher), uploaded some images from her camera, did some light curve adjustments in photoshop, sent one of the pics using email, turned off computer"
< 1221747822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next day: didn't boot
< 1221747840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shutdown was apparently clean as far as I can tell
< 1221747871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm command-v, will remember that to next time
< 1221747932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I hate that: switching between mac keyboards and normal keyboards, you end up using Alt instead of ctrl and so on, all due to their silly keyboard layout
< 1221748013 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've remapped most of these iBook keys to work just like a "normal" keyboard for that very reason.
< 1221748042 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things don't exactly match the labeling now, but that's not too bad.
< 1221748084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and of course the install itself take ages. at least an hour it seems
< 1221748102 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the keyboard layout makes sense
< 1221748114 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't get clashes like ctrl-c and ctrl-v inside the terminal
< 1221748119 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl means ctrl, cmd means cm
< 1221748120 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1221748128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while I could get an arch system up and running in about 30 minutes with KDE assuming all the files are on the cd (and none need to be downloaded)
< 1221748148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no files need to be downloaded for the os x install cd
< 1221748186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err install *dvds*
< 1221748189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes plural
< 1221748215 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continue being incredulous about "DVDs! Plural!" and I'll start listing off the things included on the dvds and why
< 1221748250 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few gigabytes of printer drivers, for one thing. :p
< 1221748260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The size of those things is something incredible.)
< 1221748264 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221748306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure I bet there is a reason to include a movie editor, garage band (I wouldn't even know what category that app is in, certainly it is not professional music editor, like cubase or such)
< 1221748336 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HP includes a copy of Tomcat (the Java servlet container thing) in many of its printer drivers, just because the "printer status" driver-dialog-tab is implemented as a Java servlet.
< 1221748336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and a demo version of office 2004
< 1221748359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, argh that explains why the install need 300 mb on windows at least
< 1221748372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the hplip drivers on linux are way smaller
< 1221748383 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :garageband is for...wait for it...garage bands
< 1221748399 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reason all those apps are included is because it's the iLife suite
< 1221748402 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is a major selling point for apple
< 1221748407 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, er, most of the apps are useful
< 1221748410 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being that I use them often
< 1221748475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iMovie? Garage Band (hey they should have called it: iGarage iBand iMania or something), iPhoto (ok that is probably good acutally)
< 1221748483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember what else is included in iLife
< 1221748515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iDVD.
< 1221748522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1221748529 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, an iJoke
< 1221748536 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how refreshing, how clever, how 2003
< 1221748548 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1221748548 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And iPhoto, of course.
< 1221748556 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iLife =
< 1221748559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I mentioned that y es
< 1221748561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes*
< 1221748562 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops presed enter
< 1221748575 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iLife = i{Photo,Movie,Web,DVD}, GarageBand
< 1221748591 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't bother reading the line much longer than that part about iGarage iBand.
< 1221748593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iWeb is?
< 1221748600 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a website creator thingy
< 1221748606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "iGarage iBand iMania" even
< 1221748606 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iWeb == "Create websites that are more custom, more complete, more you."
< 1221748615 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not _too_ bad, obviously limited etc
< 1221748617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1221748624 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it generates valid, relatively reasonable markup
< 1221748630 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does things like rss feeds for its blogs and such
< 1221748639 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not useful for much but I've seen sites with it and they're ok
< 1221748728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've used iMovie and it's pretty good for simple stuff
< 1221748746 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really have any photos to manage but I've played with iPhoto and it seems very good for what it does
< 1221748761 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've burned stuff with iDVD and it was basically like iMovie, good for simple stuff
< 1221748781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's on the second dvd now
< 1221748868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Apple is at least not taking part in the "golf install cd image size" competition
< 1221748887 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly a huge problem, though
< 1221748892 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you install the OS -once- in most cases
< 1221748898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, indeed
< 1221748971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact for me, apple lost all attraction it had back when they ditched ppc for intel
< 1221748981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that they actually had something special
< 1221748986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1221748989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good RISC processor
< 1221748998 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares if the new macs are many times faster because of it
< 1221749001 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was something speeeeeecial
< 1221749006 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, their "something special" is their OS
< 1221749008 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always has been
< 1221749009 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always will be
< 1221749025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why don't sell it for normal pcs?
< 1221749032 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are a hardware company
< 1221749046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they would make more money as a software company I suspect
< 1221749055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ iPod and iPhone
< 1221749057 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely not
< 1221749068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, oh yes forgot that macs are overpriced too
< 1221749079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're overpriced because of the OS
< 1221749092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular priced computer + the OS tax
< 1221749104 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a hardware company that makes their money because of their software
< 1221749109 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's confusing but it seems to work
< 1221749110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes they got one good thing, the magnetic power connection
< 1221749113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connector*
< 1221749118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is actually a very good idea
< 1221749138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm my imac has two wires on it
< 1221749141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the power connector and the mouse lead
< 1221749150 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used a wireless mouse but its battery stuff went weird
< 1221749154 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm using a wired one now
< 1221749161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, 3 wires
< 1221749165 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the ethernet plugged in
< 1221749173 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the wireless slowdown annoys me
< 1221749188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"battery stuff went weird" <-- battery leaked or?
< 1221749199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaking batteries suck
< 1221749207 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it just kept turning off because the batteries were supposedly dead but they had like a third left
< 1221749209 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replaced it, happened again
< 1221749221 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happened again like twice more so i just said fuck it and plugged this el cheapo one in
< 1221749229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no warranty on the mouse any more?
< 1221749236 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dunno
< 1221749242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
< 1221749243 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been dropped quite a bit in its life
< 1221749243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1221749249 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its probably that
< 1221749266 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the teflon base has like 3 scratches and they make it really scratchy to use :\
< 1221749278 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scratches are pretty bad and the base is pretty vulnerable
< 1221749285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and my mouse is a wire one, from Microsoft actually, it's ergonomic
< 1221749298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike this apple mouse
< 1221749314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wireless, no visible buttons, "scroll-ball"
< 1221749317 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, did apple kill your babies or something?
< 1221749327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think apple is crap
< 1221749331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the time
< 1221749345 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you're not secure enough in that position that you have to point it out all the damn time to everyone
< 1221749374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I'm talking about it now since I'm waiting for os x to finish reinstalling
< 1221749389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that explains the reason for this much better
< 1221749412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I got office and photoshop and a lot of other stuff to set up again
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< 1221752417 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1221752740 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | the latter
< 1221752840 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221752874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP optbot.
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< 1221752887 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | How else will a process send a message to the process that handles them?
< 1221752889 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long live optbot.
< 1221752889 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it has plenty to do with number
< 1221753402 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221753402 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | >>> Music Game iniciado! Pergunta em 10 Segundos.
< 1221753412 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay :P
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< 1221753741 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
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< 1221754684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho_
< 1221755184 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221755341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho_, there?
< 1221755449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The computer needs to restart to install upgrade" (translated from Swedish) ok fine. BUT: "The computer can't shut down due to not being able to stop "MirrorAgent"" (again translated from Swedish). That is just one of the daily issues on a clean OS X install
< 1221755544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems I'm not alone with the issue according to google
< 1221755583 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably it's a good thing that it tells you if something doesn't respond to SIGTERM (which I guess is what it tries?)
< 1221755595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I could force kill it
< 1221755602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: probably sends it a stop signal first using its stop script
< 1221755608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my mom is not computer literate enough to do that
< 1221755609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the best way to close down a service
< 1221755620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way it's supposed to stop, anyway...
< 1221755625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this "MirrorAgent" seems related to that apple idisk thing, which she doesn't even use
< 1221755630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no idea why it is running at all
< 1221755690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably a service that loads on startup
< 1221755691 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you could force kill it and the OS could as well, but if the program in question has your unsaved master's thesis in it you might want to consider another route
< 1221755696 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was sort of my point
< 1221755702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, totally unneccesary
< 1221755711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, but it doesn't know that
< 1221755722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally speaking if someone installs a service they want to be able to use it
< 1221755738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the OS installed it
< 1221755743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think anyone enabled it
< 1221755755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor did I see any option for it
< 1221755769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most services are enabled by default, is my point
< 1221755775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they can't be used if they aren't running
< 1221755779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is the wrong approach
< 1221755805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, quite possibly, it's the approach most OSes actually use in practice, though, even if you don't like it
< 1221755820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally they're things like http servers or whatever, in which case that approach makes sense
< 1221755828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or otherwise might need to run without the user doing something
< 1221755837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) more possibilities for bugs (like in the case I just hit) 2) more memory used, longer startup time 3) more potential security risks
< 1221755860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why people securing OSes often go through all the services they don't need and turn them off
< 1221755868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I agree that it's a bad idea in this case, probably in most cases
< 1221755875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't prevent it being true, though
< 1221755879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, secure by default. OpenBSD got a point...
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< 1221755896 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "The computer needs to restart to install upgrade" (translated from Swedish) ok fine. BUT: "The computer can't shut down due to not being able to stop "MirrorAgent"" (again translated from Swedish). That is just one of the daily issues on a clean OS X install
< 1221755898 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a very clean install
< 1221755900 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's BROKEN
< 1221755913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho_, it seems to be a issue other ppl hit according to google
< 1221755915 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221755920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd say it is not something specific to this install
< 1221755927 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never hit it before, never heard of anyone hitting it
< 1221755945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://macosx.com/tech-support/mac/mirroragent/16797.html
< 1221755945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.macfixitforums.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/721735/site_id/1
< 1221755951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the two first google hits
< 1221755982 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: barely any problem has never happened before
< 1221755987 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is how common it is
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< 1221757604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here know where the "Rules of the Internet" are listed?
< 1221757610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People keep referring to them by number, which is disconcerting
< 1221757616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't know which number goes with which rule
< 1221757622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, OT I know)
< 1221757866 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule 34 is common, others aren't
< 1221757896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: do you know where the list is, though?
< 1221757914 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen other numbers? I don't think there a list, let alone rules 1 through 33
< 1221757921 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ a/ is a/
< 1221757924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia redirects me to "Netiquette", which is not all that helpful
< 1221757930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm pretty sure I've seen other numbers
< 1221757938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, 34: "There is porn of it", right?
< 1221757944 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1221757960 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Rules_Of_The_Internet
< 1221757973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, ED
< 1221757974 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's new, of course.
< 1221757983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better get a different connection before going there, though
< 1221758018 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently also http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:r45nvkJrRYsJ:rules.of-the-internet.com/&strip=1
< 1221758024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, found it in Wayback
< 1221758077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, most of those aren't very interesting
< 1221758086 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule 34 is the only standard one I know of
< 1221758112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's rule 35 which says that rule 34 doesn't apply if someone mentions rule 34
< 1221758125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like that rider on Godwin's Law, which I'm surprised doesn't have a number
< 1221758132 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tusho
< 1221758184 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google seems to think that rule 35 is more commonly "if there is no porn of it, it will be made."
< 1221758196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything except for rules 1, 2, and 34 can't really be agreed upon.
< 1221758202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: makes sense
< 1221758212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably 34 caught on because it was the only sensible one of the lot
< 1221758214 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 1: Don't talk about /b/. Rule 2: Do *NOT* talk about /b/.
< 1221758214 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rules 1 and 2 most likely depend on the community in which they are quoted
< 1221758225 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as evidenced in that link above, rule 2 isn't universal
< 1221758230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's /b/ everywhere I look for rule 1 at least
< 1221758243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is strange, because that implies that in fact lots of people are talking about it
< 1221758249 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, I think 34 is a lot older than the rest.
< 1221758251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since most of those come courtesy of IRC and/or /b/, I'd say rules 1 and 2 referring to /b/ make sense.
< 1221758254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, you can't quote rule 1 without breaking it
< 1221758272 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's a Fight Club reference.
< 1221758278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, obviously
< 1221758289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah...
< 1221758324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fight Club didn't break the rule, strangely enough
< 1221758329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was "You do not talk about Fight Club"
< 1221758342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't rule out the person giving the rule talking about Fight Club
< 1221758353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the rule can be given without breaking it
< 1221758539 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rules 1 and 2 are only for raids.
< 1221758545 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they're not, depending on who you ask.
< 1221758562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly this is all a lot more confusing than I thought it would be
< 1221758575 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Internet: nothing is well-defined.
< 1221758580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm calling that metarule 1.
< 1221758581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1221758604 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rules of the internet" are what a bunch of /b/tards thought was funny to list.
< 1221758617 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones relating to porn and its existence are mostly standard & useful.
< 1221758625 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest is just filler.
< 1221758650 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the person who posted rules 1 & 2 just violated them.
< 1221758656 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be "Do not talk about /b/ outside of /b/"
< 1221758703 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. Anyway.
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< 1221759375 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1221759775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conservapedia.com/Evolution
< 1221759776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitler.
< 1221760184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the URL tells me all I need to know, I don't even need to visit it
< 1221760191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's been vandalised for the trillionth time
< 1221760193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again
< 1221760198 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh you do need to visit it
< 1221760202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been edited
< 1221760207 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure to have images enabled
< 1221760209 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not vandalised
< 1221760211 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's protected
< 1221760216 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just click and gawp.
< 1221760227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they haven't got the picture of Jesus riding a dinosaur back again, have they?
< 1221760230 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1221760235 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something entirely new
< 1221760236 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go look
< 1221760343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I have a question for you about OS X
< 1221760351 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what, 'WHY DOES IT SUCK SO MUCH?'
< 1221760352 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221760353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you set fonts to use in the menus and such?
< 1221760353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one?
< 1221760359 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't
< 1221760362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, where
< 1221760365 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't
< 1221760373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mother think they are too smal
< 1221760374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small
< 1221760376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to read
< 1221760377 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221760378 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :font SIZE
< 1221760379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might make two Macs different!
< 1221760381 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't you say
< 1221760392 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you meant typeface
< 1221760398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you mean you can set font size but not font
< 1221760402 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so
< 1221760402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I didn't expect that
< 1221760409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now where to I make the fonts larger
< 1221760411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having not done it i don't know, just a sec
< 1221760414 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll give a quick look
< 1221760461 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, hm
< 1221760468 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe it was native in tiger, which is odd
< 1221760470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not very good
< 1221760472 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's in leopard
< 1221760473 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however
< 1221760476 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently tinkertool can do it
< 1221760479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tinkertool?
< 1221760483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some freeware app?
< 1221760485 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool.html
< 1221760487 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1221760508 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a shame, i wonder why not
< 1221760514 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tinker tool -> fonts
< 1221760524 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has everything
< 1221760655 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, that sucks muchly
< 1221760819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm that OS X lack that setting by default?
< 1221760826 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221760830 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if it's in leopard
< 1221760834 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so, they made stuff all vectory then
< 1221760839 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus added a lot more sizing stuff
< 1221760840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you admitted it ;) *ducks*
< 1221760857 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never denied flaws in os x, and i argue exactly the same with people who spew crap about windows
< 1221760889 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real flaws: yes, bad
< 1221760904 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaws that are being exaggerated or are just untrue, etc.: argue
< 1221761223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does mac firefox have rearranged menus compared to linux firefox...
< 1221761381 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to fit in with the platform
< 1221761383 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the same on windows
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< 1221761768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well for ppl who use firefox on many platforms it is confusing
< 1221761785 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not really.
< 1221761794 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely, being such a masochist, you would have learned all the shortcuts?
< 1221761797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes took a while to find the settings dialog
< 1221761807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: presumably AnMaster has his own shortcuts
< 1221761810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1221761811 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on OS X it's always appname->preferences
< 1221761811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for every application ever invente
< 1221761812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always
< 1221761814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/d/
< 1221761819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lynx
< 1221761820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1221761822 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's always cmd-,
< 1221761830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1221761833 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except FF seems to fail at cmd-, for some godforsaken reason that is their fault :P
< 1221761840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's listed as the shortcut
< 1221761850 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and flashes the right menu bar entry when you type it
< 1221761871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, cmd-, works here
< 1221761879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1221761880 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1221761885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffx 3.0.1 it seems
< 1221761892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff*
< 1221761896 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto
< 1221761918 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the thing with ff is that they do everything themselves, pretty much
< 1221761928 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it works OS X like enough apart from tons of corner cases
< 1221761946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, or it could be os x that works apart from corner cases
< 1221761951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you know
< 1221761955 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because I know how firefox does it
< 1221761959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah ok
< 1221761968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xul is kind of a waste of time anyway they have to recode the gui for different platforms to fit in regardless
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< 1221763382 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is http://instantrimshot.com/ pressed down when you're not clicking it
< 1221763386 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pressed out when you click
< 1221763402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: to confuse you
< 1221763404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221763409 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :badum TISH
< 1221763409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you specifically
< 1221763412 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait
< 1221763424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you were holding your mouse upside-down?
< 1221763432 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDD
< 1221763681 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1221764223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1221766581 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah
< 1221766590 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hold the title of the submitter of the most controversial reddit submission of all time
< 1221766594 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/controversial/
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< 1221768705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, another issue, the default terminal on OS X is braindead
< 1221768711 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1221768728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, how do you jump to beginning of the line?
< 1221768729 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm not steve jobs, plz2be stop bugging me about things you don't like in os x
< 1221768732 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ctrl-a.
< 1221768735 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like every other terminal
< 1221768747 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(prints ^A in cmd.exe)
< 1221768755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: cmd.exe is a terminal?
< 1221768758 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221768781 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a terminal emulator like all those other programs you're talking about
< 1221768790 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-)
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< 1221768795 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1221768807 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221768814 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut
< 1221768828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221768834 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1221768836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I use "home" on my termina
< 1221768838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :54? that's a new one
< 1221768840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminal*
< 1221768844 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so?
< 1221768846 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not standard
< 1221768847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was normally in the 100s
< 1221768852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it seems to work on every one
< 1221768860 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: apparently not.
< 1221768863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, another tusho/AnMaster style argument brewing up?
< 1221768868 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no
< 1221768870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yet this done doesn't obey ~/.inputrc
< 1221768871 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is just whining about os x
< 1221768873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ...
< 1221768874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are you sure
< 1221768959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I copied the one from my own computer... restarted terminal.app didn't help
< 1221768961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221768975 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WFM
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< 1221768975 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1221768998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, connection issues?
< 1221769026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1221769028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm trying to read two length documents at once, so didn't even notice for ages the first time
< 1221769030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/length/lengthy/
< 1221769068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, also l10n is braindead in OS X. Finder says the directory is called "Bibliotek" but the terminal think it is called "Library
< 1221769077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1221769079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really confusing
< 1221769082 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT HOW YOU DON'T LIKE OS X
< 1221769085 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I. DO. NOT. CARE.
< 1221769089 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I. CANNOT. DO. ANYTHING. ABOUT. IT.
< 1221769092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP. HIGHLIGHTING. ME!
< 1221769104 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the 10th time you've complained about it today to me
< 1221769887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, oh and weird, to type ctrl-c you hit cmd-.
< 1221769902 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1221769904 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you type ctrl-c.
< 1221769912 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmd-. does that too and i don't know why.
< 1221769914 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you type ctrl-c.
< 1221769915 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1221769916 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT HOW YOU DON'T LIKE OS X
< 1221769923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl-c doesn't work
< 1221769926 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does.
< 1221769957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: by the way, did I tell you that I used OS X and the menus were all in the wrong place and I couldn't cut-and-paste left handed without using my index finger?
< 1221769960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah now it does, had to change a setting for Terminal.app
< 1221769974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Strict VT-100 emulation"
< 1221769976 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D
< 1221769977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to be turned on
< 1221769979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ^
< 1221769981 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I never had to do that.
< 1221769989 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT HOW YOU DON'T LIKE OS X TO ME
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< 1221770024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'evening
< 1221770073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening oerjan
< 1221770080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time of day, oklofok
< 1221770086 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite a time
< 1221770102 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1221770107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1221770110 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1221770114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko
< 1221770116 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko
< 1221770117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayeeh, it's changing! run away!
< 1221770119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko
< 1221770123 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko
< 1221770125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko
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< 1221770129 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko
< 1221770131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko
< 1221770134 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko
< 1221770136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1221770140 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1221770142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1221770146 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1221770147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1221770151 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1221770153 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1221770162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, we were going so well too
< 1221770170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason this oko tower reminds me of that LHC black hole
< 1221770174 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got distracted
< 1221770180 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by something, i'm sure
< 1221770198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: it was sufficiently distracting that you forgot what it was
< 1221770205 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1221770221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a raven.  it quothed "Nevermore", except in finnish
< 1221770347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> Sunday as first doesn't make sense
< 1221770409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the resting day was Saturday, as any jew could tell you.  blame the christians for confusing it
< 1221770460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catholic church, specificially.
< 1221770486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, some christian churches (adventists?) reversed it
< 1221770499 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my opinion he wouldn't have had a point even if sunday were the original
< 1221770563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think monday being first may be an ISO standard or something
< 1221770593 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And some christian churches point out that the day doesn't even *matter*...
< 1221770628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that Christianity doesn't exactly follow Jewish laws & traditions, anyways...
< 1221770634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed unless you are a young earth creationist you don't consider it a literal day anyhow
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< 1221770707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall something about celevrating Sunday being because that was the day of Jesus' resurrection
< 1221770719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*b
< 1221770745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm.
< 1221770879 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wp seems to agree http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Sabbath
< 1221770898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I also said: I don't like it. But you got a point
< 1221770910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it is an ISO standard I agree with it
< 1221771139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may or may not be an ass-pull
< 1221771209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, ISO 8601:1988 defines Monday as the first day of the week.
< 1221771217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221771228 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least that's what the man page of my strftime function says for the %V formatting specifier, I haven't checked.
< 1221771293 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_the_week#First_day_of_the_week mentions it, though not the Sunday page
< 1221771405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that is a good reason
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< 1221773641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> but if it is an ISO standard I agree with it
< 1221773644 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great reasoning there
< 1221773650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all
< 1221773653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION proposes a new ISO: Everyone should jump off a cliff.
< 1221773661 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woohoo! It got ratified! AnMaster, get to work.
< 1221773678 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a master villain scheme to me
< 1221773687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I like using standardlized systems
< 1221773693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: arguably OOXML is a step in that direction
< 1221773697 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what system are you using right now?
< 1221773698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, straight off a cliff
< 1221773712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, now we can persuade AnMaster to distribute cfunge in pax format
< 1221773713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, Linux, but there are no standard OS.
< 1221773720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I may do both
< 1221773732 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's like offering a seperate Windows version.
< 1221773733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tar is no longer specified by POSIX
< 1221773734 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you do that??????????????
< 1221773740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I know
< 1221773754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you are not logical
< 1221773757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, someone else who actually had heard of pax before I told them
< 1221773765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. Windows doesn't obey POSIX, nor does tar.
< 1221773768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one strike against my theory of using it for C-INTERCAL...
< 1221773778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, Windows didn't fail a POSIX testsuite once
< 1221773786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually I found I had it installed, even though I had no clue what it was
< 1221773788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/AnMaster/tusho/
< 1221773789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a dep of something
< 1221773797 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No actually I thikn that should be @AnMaster.
< 1221773805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Windows doesn't fail POSIX tests, surely cfunge should support it?
< 1221773814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well it's what they put in POSIX to replace tar
< 1221773835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho a clean windows install would fail it
< 1221773845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are you sure? ais523?
< 1221773857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the test is widely believed to have been heavily rigged
< 1221773858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221773864 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221773865 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how rigged
< 1221773871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by implementing only the parts the testsuite tested
< 1221773880 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that's quite a lot though
< 1221773882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and taking advantage of every optional feature by not implementing it
< 1221773891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in many cases returning ENOSYS is enough to pass POSIX
< 1221773897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cfunge *does* depend on some optional features
< 1221773898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like mmap
< 1221773917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it was a nonstandard configuration too
< 1221773928 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the website claims it supports any posix system
< 1221773929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221773934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better change that
< 1221773934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that "services for unix"
< 1221773943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I will tomorrow *yawn*
< 1221773956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, also see README for more details
< 1221773966 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i'd ever download cfunge
< 1221773966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that may be missing there
< 1221773990 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is 2.
< 1221774007 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: You missed a 4?
< 1221774009 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The technique used to find this answer is operant conditioning.
< 1221774019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: why wouldn't you? Waiting for it to turn up in your package manager?
< 1221774032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it working a lot faster than I got CCBI working
< 1221774035 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i hear apple are including it with the next os x
< 1221774043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I did write the build system for both by hand)
< 1221774043 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is how many times a previously rewarded behavior must be punished before the behavior is stopped whenever the instrument of punishment is seen.
< 1221774047 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's reduced functionality
< 1221774061 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instrument of punishment is a spray bottle. Use your imagination.
< 1221774063 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all it does is print 'OS X is too retarded and dumb in every aspect to run this program, please complain to tusho <penguinofthegods@gmail.com>'
< 1221774083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, as far as I know cfunge works on OS X
< 1221774088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc fizzie tested it
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< 1221774093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how can it, OS X sucks in every possible way
< 1221774096 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm the only one who can fix it
< 1221774106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it is way more posix than windows at least
< 1221774131 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221774140 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is certified unix, in fact.
< 1221774155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1221774284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway I've pushed the new C-INTERCAL version
< 1221774288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the new build system
< 1221774291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your patch to IFFI
< 1221774310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the cfunge stuff is broken atm
< 1221774317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I haven't written any build system for it
< 1221774486 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | !dup ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup  ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup  ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup  ~dup !dup ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup  ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !d !d
< 1221774906 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1221774930 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder how hard it would be to implement a Minsky machine in Proce.
< 1221774971 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best topic EVAR
< 1221774977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was definitely me
< 1221774984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221774984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a finite loop between EgoBot and bsmnt_bot
< 1221774986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's from the dupdog times
< 1221774988 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221774990 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221775004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I implemented Underload in EgoBot, I got an infinite loop going too
< 1221775020 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A register might be implementable as some construct that will oscillate at harmonics of a certain frequency. The tricky parts are creating that register and getting the harmonics to change right.
< 1221775079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ha, I knew it
< 1221775081 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was cakeprophet
< 1221775085 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where dupdog comes from
< 1221775102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dupdog is great though
< 1221775110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those languages like Xigxag
< 1221775114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which obviously isn't Turing-complete
< 1221775117 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:17:01 <CakeProphet> hmm... I feel insipiration for an esoteric language.
< 1221775120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't really tell for sure
< 1221775142 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think dupdog is tc
< 1221775151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think Xigxag is tc?
< 1221775154 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1221775156 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up
< 1221775169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that matter, that 2,3 turing machine is also reasonably obviously non-TC, except that it is
< 1221775176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was non-TC for ages while trying to do the proof
< 1221775196 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, i don't think xigxag is tc
< 1221775808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so now there is a cycle of esoteric interpreters
< 1221775819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in which languages?
< 1221775824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bub and BF
< 1221775842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a bit too close for comfort though
< 1221775844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I want to get C into that cycle somewhere
< 1221776371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Talk:Turing_machine
< 1221776392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(new page so i cannot do it)
< 1221776429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it
< 1221776442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been deleting the spam straight from the RSS feeds recently
< 1221776448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221776451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you managed to beat even the RSS feed in reporting it this time
< 1221776938 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna see the spam
< 1221776968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I can send you deleted versions if you really need them and there was nothing wrong with them
< 1221776969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why?
< 1221776976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just random strings of letters, mostly
< 1221776992 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a spam-enthusiast
< 1221776996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could base an esolang on it :D
< 1221777141 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a language that opens new threads like every cycle, and they never die
< 1221777152 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that execution is O(n^2) for n steps
< 1221777171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: sounds like Proud in reverse
< 1221777181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proud starts by creating an uncountably infinite number of threads
< 1221777186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kills them until there's only one left
< 1221777195 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is proud your declarative superlanguage?
< 1221777199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it
< 1221777210 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that conceptualization
< 1221777231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... in theory you could run a Proud program using bogosort-like methods
< 1221777254 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one was bogo
< 1221777266 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random perms or random swaps?
< 1221777271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put all the objects in a random order, repeat if it's wrong
< 1221777275 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perms
< 1221777277 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarrr
< 1221777297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swaps is bozosort, it's apparently twice as fast
< 1221777371 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that counter-intuitive, you'd think the sorted list would be kind of a corner that's less probable to achieve by random exchanges
< 1221777383 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the permutator will try all things equally probably
< 1221777399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I would have expected them to be equally fast
< 1221777409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a proof of it linked from the wiki article, though
< 1221777415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some mathematician was bored enough to write a paper about it
< 1221777418 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah that's what i assumed too
< 1221777428 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah i read taht paper
< 1221777430 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that
< 1221777498 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, actually
< 1221777544 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a greater reason why you'd think the swapper would be slower is that you get repeated states more probably
< 1221779051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1221779071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1221779130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1221779132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what paper?
< 1221779167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's linked from the wiki article on bogosort
< 1221779204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang wiki?
< 1221779219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Wikipedia
< 1221779237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha,
< 1221779424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ZYXW"
< 1221780211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah optimised bogo-sort
< 1221780213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1221780216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well night
< 1221780290 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221780678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"9"
< 1221780839 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1221781174 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to see the mammoth sql query that ais523 wrote (well, I clarified exactly what I was trying to do to ais and he wrote it)?
< 1221781178 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is mammothy
< 1221781419 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody?
< 1221781487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a woolly mammoth?
< 1221781496 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221781496 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SELECT name, threads.threadid, MAX(date), (readtime IS NULL AND MAX(date) > defaultreadtime OR readtime IS NOT NULL and MAX(date) > readtime) AS new FROM ((posts CROSS JOIN threads USING (threadid)) CROSS JOIN userdata LEFT JOIN readtimes ON (userdata.userid=readtimes.userid AND threads.threadid=readtimes.threadid)) WHERE userdata.userid=? GROUP BY threads.threadid ORDER BY MAX(date) DESC;
< 1221781515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that requires an index on posts USING BTREE (threadid,date)
< 1221781525 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an index on userthreadlastread (userid,threadid)
< 1221781645 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that is a woolly mammoth is it not
< 1221781699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i see some threading there, so yeah
< 1221781709 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, not that kind of thread
< 1221782020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later
< 1221782023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1221782647 0 :psygnisfive!i=82f5c439@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c9923c9a646ddf00 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221782658 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok have you gotten aim yet?
< 1221784546 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221785461 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1221786235 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1221787099 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221787107 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221787437 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1221787545 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@d11-83.rb.gh.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221789046 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting the idea that ais523 is the king of small, incomprehensible, quickly-written programs.
< 1221789058 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is probably a good thing.
< 1221792189 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/lambda/lambda.html
< 1221793592 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221793693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet.
< 1221794036 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221794339 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Data Communications teacher said that having files on the desktop slowed the computer down, so it's better to use shortcuts
< 1221794359 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1221794360 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf.
< 1221794378 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was (s)he referring to remote login, which (on Windows) downloads the files at login time?
< 1221794440 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, maybe, don't think so though
< 1221794454 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is just being optimistic :P
< 1221794501 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He says that his boss's computer was running slow, so he told his boss to clean up his inbox, which had 7GB worth of stuff. The boss saved the files to the desktop, and complained that the computer was still slow..
< 1221794515 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dup
< 1221794563 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://codu.org/lambda/lambda.html
< 1221794566 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, when I first went to his website, it was obvious to me that if he were teaching me web design, I'd drop the class -- the site was made in MS Word
< 1221794588 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMFG
< 1221794589 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAH
< 1221794607 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/gkrichar/ // look at my sexy academic site 8-D
< 1221794617 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snyfarvc.cc.farmingdale.edu/~kollarr/
< 1221794667 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He should not be allowed to list "Open Source" in his areas of teaching interest and research.
< 1221794700 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, why not? Just because he doesn't use it, doesn't mean he knows nothing about it..
< 1221794714 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he listed "Web design", I'd scream
< 1221795355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if he can manually clean up his professor's website
< 1221795358 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes GregorR 
< 1221795366 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zomg
< 1221795417 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Zomg?
< 1221795431 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I try manually cleaning it up?
< 1221795444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, I don't know how much or how little of the CSS is legit
< 1221795468 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should you? Why?
< 1221795468 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there automatic cleaners?
< 1221795473 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like you can upload it.
< 1221795528 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That cleaner didn't work
< 1221795533 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could email him
< 1221795562 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the resulting HTML looks mostly clean
< 1221795580 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could get rid of the rest myself
< 1221795586 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you think he might be insulted by that email?
< 1221795604 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You used Word to make your HTML, that's so effing stupid, here's how to do it right ... prof."
< 1221795629 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He knows using Word to make HTML sucks
< 1221796086 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | �@-_�-Ѣs!��X����#�;_[6$5���T
< 1221796320 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if this teacher is better or worse than the document.write(<b>"Hello</b>); one
< 1221796326 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1221796336 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :document.write(<b>"Hello"</b>);
< 1221796500 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh
< 1221796501 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF?
< 1221796513 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221796513 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | yuck
< 1221796515 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221796516 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | i already showed how its gimmicky.
< 1221798168 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221798196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands optbot an apostrophe
< 1221798196 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: !ps
< 1221798219 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give Markov chain a brake, garbage in garbage out :)
< 1221798223 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221798223 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | OUCH
< 1221798225 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221798225 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | WHAT HAVE I DONE
< 1221798230 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha, great one.
< 1221798300 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Slereah2 says that a lot.
< 1221798311 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Read: twice in the history of #esoteric )
< 1221798313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought optbot used entire quotes, not markov chains
< 1221798314 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: get kubuntu or whatever working again
< 1221798328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike fungot
< 1221798329 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as i'm learning flex/ bison
< 1221798358 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'LL FLEX YOUR BISON.
< 1221798383 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please. they're an endangered species. or something.
< 1221798645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conservation dependent, actually
< 1221798743 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conservation dependent" seems like the buzzword version of "endangered"
< 1221798806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's three steps less serious.  also, obsolete in new evaluations since 2001
< 1221798827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_status
< 1221799445 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARNING: This website contains explicit adult material.
< 1221799546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite so
< 1221799558 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221799563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not on that page, i think
< 1221803017 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned today that you can apply church numerals directly to each other to get powers.
< 1221803027 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. 2^3 is 2 applied to 3.
< 1221803091 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other way around, actually
< 1221803109 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 applied to 3 is    3 2
< 1221803116 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait
< 1221803120 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My grammar el sucks.
< 1221803123 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 applied to 2 :P
< 1221803129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1221803131 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You apply a function to its argument :P
< 1221803287 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 'll advertize this again
< 1221803295 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/lambda/lambda.html
< 1221803344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the syntax?
< 1221803440 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No multi-parameter lambdas (bah 2 syntax sugar :P), lambda=^, bullet=.
< 1221803449 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ^<var>.<exp>
< 1221803462 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^x.^y.<exp> for multi-parameter
< 1221803490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have multi-parameter, . is superfluous
< 1221803519 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is, but I wrote it with this syntax because it's the syntax we use in my class.
< 1221803610 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds multi-parameter lambdas *shrugs*
< 1221803611 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\f.\x.f(f(f x))) a b  gives a message that the page contains an error
< 1221803742 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be partially because I said '^', not '\' :P
< 1221803750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221803754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might think so
< 1221803776 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, didn't help
< 1221803803 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works for me.
< 1221803806 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What browser are you using?
< 1221803808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE
< 1221803814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(7)
< 1221803815 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that figures.
< 1221803819 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE = worst browser in existence.
< 1221803836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bus
< 1221803850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Also, ARRR!"
< 1221803988 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? IE cannot be this screwed up.
< 1221804157 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, hm?
< 1221804174 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to debug my lambda calculus solver on IE.
< 1221804182 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just so effing wonky I can't even begin to figure out what's wrong.
< 1221804187 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm fixing it by adding this to the top of the .html:
< 1221804189 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: This does <i>not</i> work in Internet Explorer. Please use a browser with at least proximal support for the most basic web standards.<hr/>
< 1221804206 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not called the broken browser for nothing
< 1221804209 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, you fail at cross-browser compatibility
< 1221804221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youfail.org
< 1221804224 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P j/k
< 1221804254 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: IE doesn't count for cross-browser compatibility. It's like saying that your program isn't cross-platform because it doesn't work on Windows even though it works on Mac OS X, GNU/Linux and eighty other unixen.
< 1221804305 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would say that that's not cross-platform in an appreciable manner
< 1221804321 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels beliggerant right now
< 1221804339 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, don't blame me for the fact that every OS with an appreciable marketshare is POSIX-compatible with only one exception.
< 1221804381 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, that's right, Windows /is/ POSIX compatible for a sufficiently limited definition of POSIX, isn't it ^^
< 1221804521 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would link to http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Linux but it's crap right now
< 1221804535 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I haven't linked to it, and won't link to it.
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< 1221805179 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok
< 1221805188 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you on aim yet? :P
< 1221805703 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the love of all that's holy, get on aim
< 1221805825 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my IRC connection is sketchy
< 1221805825 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so..
< 1221809959 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221809986 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221809993 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221809999 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1221810180 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1221810183 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1221810184 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you on aim?
< 1221810190 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i am not
< 1221810196 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please get an aim account :|
< 1221810199 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1221810203 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please?
< 1221810217 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its hard for me to get and stay on IRC now that im back at school
< 1221810219 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i already have messenger and skype, and i don't use those either
< 1221810224 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so
< 1221810227 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webirc?
< 1221810232 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im using mibbit
< 1221810236 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the school blocks normal IRC
< 1221810242 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mibbit fails alot
< 1221810251 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1221810253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get an AIM account and you'll get a constant stream of psygnisfive-talk, all day long.
< 1221810262 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Order now!
< 1221810264 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he loves it ;)
< 1221810264 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh, gimme somma that
< 1221810280 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, use skype more.
< 1221810282 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add 2-3 inches, all natural.
< 1221810285 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have skype already, you have it
< 1221810295 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just set it up so that skype signs on automatically and leave it in the background
< 1221810317 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221810332 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you understand i have no other people there than you
< 1221810351 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? :P
< 1221810359 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhmm
< 1221810364 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's sweet. "You're the only one I want to skype with!"
< 1221810372 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont talk to anyone else either
< 1221810378 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'd have skype on just to chat with you
< 1221810390 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, obviously i'd prefer irc but thats not working so well for me
< 1221810394 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i would be, like, so special
< 1221810402 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're already special, darlin
< 1221810416 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1221810418 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to go to bed
< 1221810420 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night guys
< 1221810427 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::hugs oklofok::
< 1221810434 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, good morning to you
< 1221810442 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1221810464 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :math-related fun ->
< 1221810889 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1221810932 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzled, huh?
< 1221811199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1221811822 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a math-related fun
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< 1221814923 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1221817361 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzlet: we have these demonstrations, basically you show your homework to the class
< 1221817686 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | hmm..
< 1221817799 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just printed out that fungot flowgraph, with some font changes, scaled to an A4 paper, on the normal 600dpi laser printer here, and: I can actually read the node labels! (If I try really hard.)
< 1221817800 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: people are working on
< 1221817814 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Working on what?
< 1221817814 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i was making a schemeql type thing, and replace with eval " origina line"
< 1221817829 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You have some strange hobbies.
< 1221817829 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the java.sun.com page uses an applet tag
< 1221817940 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pretty awesome
< 1221817945 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The font height, for a lowercase letter, in this printout is approximately 2-3 times the thickness of a paper.
< 1221817967 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221817979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a ruler available, but I think it's definitely <1mm.
< 1221817987 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would ask you to show me, but i guess this is one of those situations where that's impossible
< 1221818016 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :readings ->
< 1221818102 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i don't understand is the meaning of that arrow
< 1221818122 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"afk"?
< 1221818125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1221818136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people call it "taikanuoli", lit. "magic arrow".
< 1221818154 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think that's very widespread.
< 1221818163 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it will be
< 1221818174 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in like 20 years even puzzlet will be using it
< 1221818175 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like Finnish
< 1221818190 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taikanuoli does
< 1221818220 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, based on this channel the whole -> thing is a Finnish speciality.
< 1221818253 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster has used it too, afaik
< 1221818276 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaanyway, just came here to say the mips instruction set could, if i'm not mistaken, easily contain a command with destination both in memory and in the register file without any additional data or control hazards
< 1221818281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I use "->" most often when coordinating lunch departures and such with people working nearby. When one person says "->", it means the departure is imminent.
< 1221818303 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's the point
< 1221818311 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no other way to do that
< 1221818358 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course occasionally you need to "take back" a -> with a <- because you forgot something.
< 1221818667 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes to my mind that Finnish has different grammatical order than English.
< 1221818682 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Finnish Subject-Object-Verb?
< 1221818686 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221818695 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's english with a few words different
< 1221818785 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and it's reasonably malleable, since the word inflections remove a bit of the ambiguity.
< 1221818816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia "Finnish grammar" article "Sentence structure" part sounds reasonably accurate to me.
< 1221818937 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember a popular radio parody/humor show ("Alivaltiosihteeri") once making a joke about that.
< 1221819028 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read that
< 1221819035 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had a segment called "sanajärjestys on vapaa", lit. "word order is free", which was a parody of a real "sana on vapaa" (something like "free talk") program where people could call the radio station and state their opinions on today's topic -- except that in the "sanajärjestys on vapaa" version the words in a sentence were pretty randomly ordered.
< 1221819062 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They started out quite understandable, but some of the later sentences needed a bit of thinking to parse correctly.
< 1221819062 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alivaltiosihteeri is the greatest
< 1221819071 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people should learn finnish just to be able to appreciate it
< 1221819096 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the society of freudian slippers"
< 1221819118 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was so much fun when i was 12
< 1221819137 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"society"? i guess it was like association but anyway
< 1221819425 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason the ones I remember best were the ones I heard on our yearly family summer vacation car trips; there was a car-related segment where they introduced one car that was "a winner of all the crash tests", and promised next week to review "Fiat Lepra, the car whose parts fall off".
< 1221819524 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :winner as in, crashed into most pieces or something?
< 1221819563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was something like that, yes.
< 1221819584 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The door came off when opening it and stuff like that.
< 1221819625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have most of those in book form at home (at least 5 or 6 of them) but I'm not sure if I have that one, and in any case it's unavailable right now.
< 1221819947 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have that one too
< 1221819970 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i left all my non computer related books to my parents when i moved
< 1221820025 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, all my books are in suitcases and cardboard boxes still at the new apartment, so probably couldn't find it even if I were at home.
< 1221820199 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still have all my stuff in these big black garbage bags, after moving like half a year ago
< 1221820235 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might yield a good system for only keeping what i need if i threw the garbage bags in the garbage every once in a whil
< 1221820237 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*while
< 1221820254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used over 30 of those bags to pack our stuff, but have managed to unpack almost half of them to closets and such. The rest are more difficult to place, though.
< 1221820392 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my apartment is 18 square meters, so 30 bags might be a bit overkill
< 1221820423 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*might've been
< 1221820431 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We moved from 42 into 61.5, but it doesn't feel any bigger.
< 1221820479 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i moved from 50 or something to this, and it doesn't feel any smaller
< 1221820500 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the apparent size of an apartment is constant.
< 1221820505 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1221820512 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is there a synonym of "constant" that starts with "ap"?)
< 1221820526 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it just has an upper bound
< 1221820553 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately constant
< 1221820575 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :approach-independent
< 1221820576 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1221820578 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err what
< 1221821080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklofok> AnMaster has used it too, afaik <-- used what?
< 1221821127 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"afaik", naturally
< 1221821137 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just quoted it weirdly
< 1221821152 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i'm just spanking your brain, i meant "->"
< 1221821165 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you use it like "-> target destination"
< 1221821189 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the correct usage is "-> nothingness"
< 1221821256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the syntax is "reason ->".
< 1221821268 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or just a "->".)
< 1221821478 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could use -> as a channel-specific manner, but well ..
< 1221822977 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So, how much do you love noodles?"
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< 1221828680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw i like how you continue my weird and incorrect explanations by first saying "yes", and then continuing with the correct information.
< 1221828747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it was just with "->" and "english with words different", but in case you do it later, you'll know i like it in advance
< 1221828801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yaknow optbot here?
< 1221828802 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i feel so bad ^^ i worked 3 days on my solution and your code is smaller and better wahhhh
< 1221828806 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's using 60% of rutian's memory
< 1221828828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any tips? He really can't do anything but load all the logs into memory, there's not a better solution afaik
< 1221828885 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could keep just the offsets of each line in memory, and when called to speak, to a seek+read.
< 1221828916 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, it's not one file.
< 1221828925 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably about 1000 files, one for each day
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< 1221828963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An index to a table of files in addition to the offset, then.
< 1221828983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, later. :P
< 1221828986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:55:36 <fizzie> Some people call it "taikanuoli", lit. "magic arrow".
< 1221828996 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paamayim neudatoktayim!
< 1221828997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sp)
< 1221829116 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM, apparently; though isn't that "::"?
< 1221829127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1221829134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just reminded me
< 1221829135 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221829136 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:46:05 <oklofok> although you use it like "-> target destination"
< 1221829137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:46:29 <oklofok> whereas the correct usage is "-> nothingness"
< 1221829137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:47:36 <fizzie> Yes, the syntax is "reason ->".
< 1221829137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:47:48 <fizzie> (Or just a "->".)
< 1221829144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is just using the POSIX enhanced ->.
< 1221829211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1221829247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its prototype is something like:
< 1221829255 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[reason] '->' [target destination]
< 1221829269 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though using that as -> is pretty nonstandard.
< 1221829276 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster should probably call it as _posix_->.
< 1221829335 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1221829341 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp, must go to fetch some supports to help in weekendly window-cleaning for moving-out purposes _posix_-> the student housing office.
< 1221829350 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though that was a lie, won't leave for 15 more minutes.)
< 1221829355 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Premature optimization, man!
< 1221829356 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
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< 1221829641 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221829660 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[reason] -> [destination] \n [reason for lying]
< 1221829669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[reason] -> [destination] \n [(reason for lying)]
< 1221829856 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221829876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: we need to establish a committe for maintaining this immediately
< 1221829882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- can be specced too
< 1221829901 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES LET'S DO THAT LET'S MAKE IRC MORE FUN :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
< 1221829916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1221829919 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<arrow:magic-arrow xmlns:arrow="urn:ieft:params:xml:pi:magicarrow"><arrow:reason lie="false">Time to go, for real this time</arrow:reason><arrow:destination>Housing office</arrow:destination></arrow:magic-arrow>
< 1221830135 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ...
< 1221830141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I hate you.
< 1221830221 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH
< 1221832265 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1221833497 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221834687 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what should we call the committee, International Taikanuoli Organization?
< 1221835345 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221835403 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221835433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221835779 0 :Slereah2!n=x@ANantes-252-1-93-206.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221835802 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the standards shall be called "reports", it sounds more enterprisey
< 1221835839 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First International Taikanuoli Organization Report on the Conversational Algorithm
< 1221835846 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoy, me maties!
< 1221835856 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITORCA-1
< 1221835885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm discussing standardizing the finns' "->" (taikanuoli ("magic arrow"))
< 1221835890 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a committee shall be formed.
< 1221836216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to sum up my log browsing, i would submit that -> destination is perfectly correct, because finnish has free word order
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< 1221836281 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221836654 0 :Slereah2!n=x@ANantes-252-1-93-206.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221836692 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221837991 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221839286 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ...except wouldn't turning faster give a smaller turning circle?
< 1221839563 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221839625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1221840259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1221840320 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-112-47-184.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221844670 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-050-031.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221844756 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221845693 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221846287 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1221846873 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221846881 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221847201 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* (cur) (last)  14:15, 15 September 2008 64.39.133.149 (Talk) (116 bytes) (←Replaced content with 'Someone was here and delerted all this.Ha Ha Ha Ha. Know u cant do ur work. Ha Ha Ha. So now punk bitches.Fuckers') (undo)
< 1221847206 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone has not grasped the concept of revert.
< 1221847332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the "(undo)" is what i think it is, that's pretty hilarious, but i don't really know the context
< 1221847669 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1221848413 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just from the page history
< 1221848416 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a link to undo it
< 1221848422 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously he had no idea that previous revisions were stored
< 1221848433 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thought he could destroy allll that work by deleting the article
< 1221848437 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone would have to write it all over again
< 1221848572 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lawd
< 1221848573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/
< 1221848576 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk like a pirate day reskin
< 1221849092 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-148-172.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221849105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221849178 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi !
< 1221849242 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't been in here for a while
< 1221849258 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1221850111 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1221850311 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1221852998 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221853342 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1221853646 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@a91-152-136-31.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221853860 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221854333 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.68.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221854360 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am here for a LIMITED TIME ONLY
< 1221854367 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^
< 1221854616 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good because my patience is limited
< 1221854625 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, you know, i hate you
< 1221854896 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: :(
< 1221855192 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-32-228.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221855296 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221855304 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, you're *tusho*
< 1221855325 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misread your nick, sorry
< 1221855339 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you were that one regular i hate from all my heart
< 1221855344 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know who i'm talking about.
< 1221855682 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1221855966 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1221856412 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221856711 0 :hotidlerchick!n=okoko@a91-152-136-31.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221856840 0 :hotidlerchick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko
< 1221857004 0 :Slereah2!n=x@ANantes-252-1-93-206.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221858555 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko
< 1221859339 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night
< 1221859342 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1221859632 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221860888 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | NO
< 1221860997 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sips!!!!1
< 1221861999 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklofok> thought you were that one regular i hate from all my heart <-- oh what one?
< 1221862040 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god a reaction!
< 1221862046 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know who i mean!
< 1221862054 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster
< 1221862058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I can think of several
< 1221862068 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do name them
< 1221862073 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good for them to know it
< 1221862082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX author (forgot nick) for example
< 1221862082 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they join here a bit less
< 1221862088 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo.
< 1221862089 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh SGEO
< 1221862091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1221862112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there is the new one with the bloated brainfuck thingy
< 1221862112 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who else might it be, i wonder? please list a few more
< 1221862122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again can't remember nickj
< 1221862124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nick*
< 1221862127 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe had a bloated brainfuck generator
< 1221862132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1221862134 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think he's the one i hate?
< 1221862136 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221862137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter one
< 1221862146 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who started with G?
< 1221862170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, I don't remember nicks
< 1221862174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G or O or C yes
< 1221862189 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not really a regular in my standards
< 1221862192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upper case first char, and rounded
< 1221862194 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not the one.
< 1221862204 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try once more, you're getting pretty close
< 1221862207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, hm, tusho maybe?
< 1221862211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1221862213 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think, e's so goddamn annoying
< 1221862222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no clue
< 1221862225 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate them from all my heart
< 1221862234 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, pure hate.
< 1221862247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember ever seeing that
< 1221862256 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? you've never seen my RAW RAGE
< 1221862268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as far as I remember no
< 1221862268 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i guess you haven't been online with them...
< 1221862278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1221862283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, so who do you mean?
< 1221862299 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1221862302 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be that hard
< 1221862307 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: help him
< 1221862343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, you certainly don't act like you hate/dislike me (which tusho do)
< 1221862436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude who seems to not get Brainfuck at all.
< 1221862437 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't? well i guess you're not the one then... sheesh...
< 1221862452 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's his nick again?
< 1221862471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't recall.
< 1221862482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not get brainfuck, well not getting the idea of brainfuck would fit that new one
< 1221862484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hm
< 1221862491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue who you are talking about
< 1221862514 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. well i'll just leave you thinking then.
< 1221862519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I coded several brainfuck interpreters, and wrote some programs in it
< 1221862534 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many?
< 1221862537 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet i've coded more
< 1221862540 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1221862545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've probably coded more complex ones.
< 1221862548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1221862559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: elaborate
< 1221862574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, 5 interpreters at least, not all published, programs maybe 10-15 longer than one page
< 1221862592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none published and no source around these days
< 1221862599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've coded about a hundred bf interps
< 1221862608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I got bored with brainfuck before this computer
< 1221862610 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221862610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More complex programs in it.
< 1221862613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, most were almost the same, coded in python for a specific purpose
< 1221862617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh
< 1221862621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then prolly
< 1221862625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well of course you coded more I guess
< 1221862628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you recall the whole PEBBLE business? :p
< 1221862630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've made an almost-working bf-in-bf
< 1221862637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do, yes :)
< 1221862662 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221862665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, care to mention the nick in qustion? Is he/she here now? When was he/she here last?
< 1221862737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and your constant stream of questions :)
< 1221862797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaanyway, i hate to disappoint you but i'm trolling, something i avoid doing since the term is so gay
< 1221862799 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't hate anyone
< 1221862801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well if you don't ask you won't learn :)
< 1221862802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the whole world.
< 1221862827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only hate non-organic objects, sometimes to very extreme amounts
< 1221862835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, iron?
< 1221862839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't really get mad at people
< 1221862859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like all kinds of machines
< 1221862869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers, bikes, scissors
< 1221862896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if scissors are actually complex enough to be called a machine
< 1221862898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tool certainly
< 1221862901 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, tools
< 1221862921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't think i've ever actually been mad at scissors, because i don't really use scissors
< 1221862926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do get mad at pens though
< 1221862931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kill them
< 1221862937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, break
< 1221862939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, they were alive?
< 1221862940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know
< 1221862943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221862951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to think i'm taking the life of the object i'm breaking
< 1221862959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221863012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw. i'm finding it a bit hard not to think i'm trolling myself, are you bying this? it's true, but, you know, you don't know me well enough to believe all the weird things about me.
< 1221863026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is English for penetui?
< 1221863028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got no clue
< 1221863045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :penetui? no idea no idea
< 1221863055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a small box for 1-2 pens
< 1221863061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :often for expensive pens
< 1221863088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, know what I mean?
< 1221863124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. but roll with it i'll catch on
< 1221863173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me get my camera out, however since it is a high end camera it will take a bit
< 1221863204 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: KingOfKarlsruhe had a bloated brainfuck generator <<--- that was my old faulty version http://paste.pocoo.org/show/85742/
< 1221863205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I may have a webcam around
< 1221863226 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: sorry to drag you in, but we were having such a fascinating conversation
< 1221863241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a bit too tired to be reading code atm
< 1221863359 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's for information only
< 1221863427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, off the record i do know you made a better version.
< 1221863442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i knew it right after you made it
< 1221863445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you pasted it here
< 1221863450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, http://omploader.org/vcmNn
< 1221863454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing
< 1221863454 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's not the one, don't break my bubble
< 1221863462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it in English?
< 1221863468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pencil case?
< 1221863478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh guess so
< 1221863496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expensive Pencil Case With Two Cool Pencillors (tm)
< 1221863497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, point I was going to get to is that I never got mad at a pen
< 1221863516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your pens own?
< 1221863523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well one ball-point pen and one mechanical pencil
< 1221863530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do?
< 1221863547 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you aware that you failing at something your doing on paper, like doing math, is the pen's fault?
< 1221863550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one other pencil I had since I was 10 or so, still works well
< 1221863555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're
< 1221863565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm interesting
< 1221863568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not about not working.
< 1221863575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1221863576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not always
< 1221863587 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it should be, but this isn't a perfect world
< 1221863616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, so... what about when you do math using a computer?
< 1221863627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, in LaTeX or whatever
< 1221863677 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use notepad
< 1221863684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for math
< 1221865043 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221865509 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuyqwe@bas2-toronto47-1242437529.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221866814 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221867517 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221868393 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221869116 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221869934 0 :Ogy!n=IceChat7@207-255-11-008-dhcp.jst.pa.atlanticbb.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221869949 0 :Ogy!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1221870351 0 :hotidlerchick!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"
< 1221871105 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YO
< 1221871108 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO PINGED ME
< 1221871436 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1221871438 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol and AnMaster
< 1221871441 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: cool
< 1221871442 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fuck you
< 1221871448 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just my canned responses to those people)
< 1221871608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just joking by the way
< 1221871611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not actually angry with you
< 1221871613 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too much work
< 1221871614 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221871617 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't say something stupid.
< 1221871899 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: u sux0rz (but he won't actually read this since he just uses canned responses)
< 1221871911 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: butts
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< 1221882488 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | and there would be no CAR to JESUS CHRIST GET INTO
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< 1221883991 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1221886190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but there were no cars at the time of Jesus
< 1221886202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he made one with a miracle
< 1221886230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they didn't put it into the gospels because no one could wrap their mind around the concept
< 1221886398 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221886398 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | or even partial
< 1221886402 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221886402 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | trying 1.5s
< 1221886926 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm petting my cat, and she's kneading, but she gets such a good grip on the carpet, she's actually dragging herself forward slowly :P
< 1221887119 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you will slowly be leaving us, then
< 1221887592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1221888601 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1221892429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1221893915 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So, how much do you love noodles?"
< 1221897599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1221898425 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1221903829 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1221904088 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | does it have a good module/function browser? Does it provide good autocompletion? Tooltips which show the types of functions as you type them in? Does it have a good debugger? A refactoring tool? How well is it integrated with QuickCheck?
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< 1221905819 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1221905852 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot ?
< 1221905853 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: WOOH!
< 1221905863 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot ^^
< 1221905863 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: Urgh. Missed some stuff.
< 1221905885 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum .... optbot ?
< 1221905885 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: if you have an interpreter, you can do all sorts of neat stuff
< 1221905895 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right ^^
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< 1221914790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.piratejesus.com/nerdcore/nerdcore017.gif ahahahahahhaha
< 1221915338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1221915343 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written by the guy who made that Chronotron time travel game
< 1221915345 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S
< 1221915346 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:D
< 1221915628 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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< 1221923125 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot,
< 1221923126 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: Just change the name to COMPLICATED and you've got an esoteric programming language :-)
< 1221923134 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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< 1221925389 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1221925497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1221925503 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523!
< 1221925503 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Mony
< 1221925510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Mony
< 1221925511 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need some help with your sql query in a min
< 1221925512 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1221925518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I didn't even realise there was a memoserv on here...
< 1221925521 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 ;)
< 1221925523 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1221925688 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | i wasn't making any argument so there was nothing i could specify
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< 1221932736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this is undefined in C right:
< 1221932737 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221932737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(i++) == *(i++);
< 1221932747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, modifies i twice between sequence points
< 1221932754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, exactly what I need
< 1221932758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for a quiz)
< 1221932775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK, I wondered what on earth you were trying to write therer
< 1221932777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/r$//
< 1221932829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like: "What does this code do in C: *(i++) == *(i++);" 1) blah 2) blah 3) It is undefined 4) blah
< 1221932843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you can come up with hilarious stuff for the other 3 answers I would like to know
< 1221932877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I imagine much hilarity could ensue if i were a macro
< 1221932894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum?
< 1221932925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine #define i (char*)0x05),(intptr
< 1221932932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a machine with memory-mapped addresses
< 1221932941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1221932959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nah assume is is char *i;
< 1221932966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is set before at some point
< 1221932969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the start of a string
< 1221932987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most compilers will increment i by either 1 or 2 given that code
< 1221933001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc will error out on it if given the right settings
< 1221933028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's likely to return false if i increments by 2 and the two characters in question are different, could be either true or false but more likely true if i increments by 1
< 1221933042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however this is just based on what compilers normally do in practice, not on what they could do
< 1221933208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I just tried it in gcc and it optimised it into 1; because I never used the value of i after that
< 1221933213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me make my test program more interesting...
< 1221933310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hehe
< 1221933326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I already made up the bogus answers
< 1221933426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw does php really not have either tuples or structs?
< 1221933430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems very very odd
< 1221933507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well what gcc-bf does is equivalent to (i+=2,1)
< 1221933518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that it increments i twice because there are two i++s in it
< 1221933530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but because the expression on each side of the == is the same it does common subexpression elimination
< 1221933540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and decides that the two sides are always the same
< 1221933545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1221933562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, just goes to show that you can't guarantee any sensible behaviour from code like taht
< 1221933615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is annoyed that so much stuff assumes 32-bit int nowadays
< 1221933639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc spends ages zero-extending the argument to putchar from char to int
< 1221933670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the algorithm it uses is something like typedef char int[4]; int i; i[0]=c; i[1]=0; i[2]=i[1]; i[3]=i[2];
< 1221933674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does not translate well into brainfuck
< 1221933696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in BF register=constant is a lot easier than register=register
< 1221933715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putchar has been putchar(int) for, well, ever...
< 1221933719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's some setting somewhere to influence what code it generates
< 1221933735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm fine with that, just not fine with people assuming 32-bit int when 16 is perfectly allowed by the standard
< 1221933744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would double the speed of all my calls to putchar...
< 1221933788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, putchar's slow enough anyway due to stdio overhead
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< 1221933807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I'll implement __builtin_fastputchar and __builtin_fastgetchar that just map to . and , directly
< 1221933817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people can avoid using stdio in short programs and produce considerably shorter output
< 1221933833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, will it be possible to cross compile gcc to brainfuck some day?
< 1221933839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is compile gcc itself with gcc-bf
< 1221933851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are various obstacles to doing that
< 1221933853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how much disk space would you need?
< 1221933858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main one being that the result wouldn't run even on a supercomputer
< 1221933868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah
< 1221933870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gcc needs more than 16MB of memory to run, normally
< 1221933871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other ones?
< 1221933877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well
< 1221933882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's another big problem, I'd need to make bigger pointers
< 1221933890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that hard?
< 1221933903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very, but it would make the marker code even more inefficient than it already is
< 1221933917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bad enough that calculating *i is O(n) in the value of i
< 1221933928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something which doesn't even make sense in the context of pointers in normal C
< 1221933929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1221933940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, O(n^2)
< 1221933943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about i[a] then?
< 1221933957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's O(n^2) in i+a
< 1221933962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1221933971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however if i points somewhere on the stack it's a lot faster
< 1221933982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointers to auto variables can be accessed faster than pointers to heap if you have a big heap
< 1221933984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221934002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, brainfuck is really bad at pointers, yet gcc seems to think they're fast
< 1221934013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are normally...
< 1221934014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221934017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get gcc to stop all those backwards optimisations
< 1221934047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like optimising x*=10; into {int a, b; a=x; b=x<<3; x+=a; x+=b;}
< 1221934061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first is quite a lot better in brainfuck with char x
< 1221934063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so for gcc-bf -O0 is better than -O3?
< 1221934070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, unfortuately
< 1221934070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe -Os?
< 1221934079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Os is an interesting one, I might try that
< 1221934086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but things like register variables speed things up a lot
< 1221934097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should look at all the optimisations individually to see if they help
< 1221934106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and redefine -O1, -O2 and -O3 accordingly
< 1221934117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not supposed to do that, by the way
< 1221934120 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1221934124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I may as well if it leads to better code
< 1221934124 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1221934126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bye Mony
< 1221934126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, about register variables... doesn't GCC handle that itself? and ignore the register keyword?
< 1221934133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it depends on the optimisation level
< 1221934137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes at -O2 up, I think
< 1221934140 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC does that kind of optimization at a higher level than at machine code generation level? O_o
< 1221934140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221934154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes, and IMO it shouldn't, at least in gcc-bf
< 1221934156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no one said GCC had a clean architecture
< 1221934162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it does it at the RTL level
< 1221934167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though gcc-bf is certainly not a normal case
< 1221934176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case I could get round it by wrapping multiplications in an unspec, but that's kind-of hacky
< 1221934190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I've done all sorts of other things in my code to hack around limitations in gcc
< 1221934193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, unspec?
< 1221934193 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've heard it doesn't, doesn't mean I can't be surprised at that anyway :-P
< 1221934214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: something that gcc doesn't know about but can manipulate
< 1221934220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, huh
< 1221934234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the archetypal example would be an __asm__ statement
< 1221934241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1221934241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where gcc has no clue what the asm does, but can move it around anyway
< 1221934254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that ironically __asm__ isn't an unspec, it's something else that acts similarly
< 1221934270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um what about the "automatic select registers to use" feature of __asm__ in gcc
< 1221934282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that exists
< 1221934293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, that's reasonably irrelevant here though
< 1221934297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unspec can operate on pseudos
< 1221934308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are things which will eventually go into registers, just gcc hasn't decided which one yet
< 1221934317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, an example of ridiculous hackiness: (match_test "GET_MODE(op) == mode || GET_MODE(op) == VOIDmode))) || (((0")
< 1221934329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the gcc-bf code
< 1221934352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't understand it
< 1221934357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that it isn't C
< 1221934363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the bit inside the quotes is C
< 1221934366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bit outside is almost lisp
< 1221934367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221934378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bit inside is unbalanced
< 1221934384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what I was getting at
< 1221934396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know the context of that
< 1221934396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unbalancing being to work around a bug which makes it impossible to write your own predicates that match constants
< 1221934406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lisp heh....
< 1221934412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in gcc constants don't have data types
< 1221934416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, internally
< 1221934426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just whether they're integers or floating points
< 1221934430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there some famous quote about complex C projects and clisp interpreters
< 1221934434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the wording
< 1221934450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everywhere where you want to compare data-types, you have to special-case constants
< 1221934455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they forgot to so I had to do it by hand
< 1221934464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, gcc's .md files are written in a sexp-based language
< 1221934466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1221934474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically lisp expressions without any sort of flow control
< 1221934496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know what sexp are. I like that as a generic data format
< 1221934499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much nicer than xml
< 1221934518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's basically like writing a polyglot as the .md files are compiled into two stages of the program
< 1221934528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, the game supertux use sexp for all it's levels, and other non-binary data files (that is, everthing except images and sounds)
< 1221934530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that converts GIMPLE to RTL, one that converts RTL to asm
< 1221934561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to write code that works in both directions
< 1221934661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, does PHP really lack both tuples and structs?
< 1221934668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know PHP, really
< 1221934671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't be surprised
< 1221934675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221934676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has objects and arrays
< 1221934680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and objects can be used as structs
< 1221934689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well arrays sure, but objects aren't POD
< 1221934711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I understand it
< 1221934750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an array of tuples really
< 1221934761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you use an array as a tuple?
< 1221934771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean an array of arrays?
< 1221934775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as in PHP you can index arrays with arbitrary objects
< 1221934782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nice except the tuple contains one nested array
< 1221934782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they work sort-of like hashes
< 1221934783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221934786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes could work
< 1221934790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :messy though
< 1221934800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's PHP, it's messy whatever you do
< 1221934804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true
< 1221935031 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221935632 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@151.60.135.166 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221937401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off topic: how do I create an iso image from a cd, using command line tools.
< 1221937425 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd
< 1221937435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually a dvd in this case.
< 1221937444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a good block size for dd then?
< 1221937455 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some large size, doesn't matter much
< 1221937456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering the dvd is 5.3 GB
< 1221937472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it will handle when the disk doesn't match in block size right?
< 1221937483 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1221937504 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably just as well use cat if you wanted to
< 1221937510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or cp
< 1221937516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, probably not cp
< 1221937522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that doesn't copy the content of devices by default
< 1221937525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the devices themselves
< 1221937556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, also  I don't have enough free disk space on any computer with a dvd reader, I guess I'll use nfs
< 1221937560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope that works
< 1221937732 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221938141 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1221938626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5 of 5.3 GB copied...
< 1221938766 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa!
< 1221938769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is STILL HERE
< 1221938777 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot all about that, and I need major SQL help still, damn
< 1221938788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: they fixed the door
< 1221938799 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: goddamn
< 1221938808 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go so I can be annoyed that you're not here to fix the problem
< 1221938810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that bad?
< 1221938810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then come back tomorrow
< 1221938816 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and continually remind me of your prescence
< 1221938820 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I have time to get the help I need
< 1221938820 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1221938835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may go soon, just because I need something to drink
< 1221938843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just getting caught up with this week's Agora stuff first
< 1221938913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what door?
< 1221938932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the door to the building in which my normal Internet connection is
< 1221938937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221938942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah what was the issue with it?
< 1221938942 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant to #esoteric
< 1221938944 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz
< 1221938944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had problems connecting for ages because the door was broken and I couldn't get in
< 1221938955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they had to lock it by hand because it kept opening in the middle of the night
< 1221938957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't have a key
< 1221938961 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have a drink of SQL
< 1221938965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221938985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so you connected from elsewhere?
< 1221939002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how goes gcc-bf btw? Solved the divide 64-bit ints but yet?
< 1221939003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit*
< 1221939014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've been working on something else completely unrelated to esoprogramming
< 1221939029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadline coming up in real life and none of the other people who are supposed to be helping me have noticed, it seems
< 1221939033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even responded to my emails about it
< 1221939043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the freebsd kernel source contains an efficient (for normal processors) implementation of signed and unsigned quad word divide
< 1221939051 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that made me laugh
< 1221939055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ouch
< 1221939064 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, not offensively
< 1221939067 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck and all
< 1221939071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF efficiency follows completely different rules to normal processor efficiency
< 1221939072 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it made me laugh for an unrelated reason
< 1221939107 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221939173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.5 GB copied...
< 1221939209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the drive is slow I guess
< 1221939352 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221939508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: SQL totally sounds like an obscure energy drink.  maybe it is.
< 1221939517 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1221939530 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses I.N.D.E.X.E.s for that extra boost
< 1221939536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm zooming off for a bit
< 1221939537 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some health concerns (makes you fat), but meh
< 1221939543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you shout loudly enough now I'll come back a bit later though
< 1221939547 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIS523!
< 1221939552 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAIISS552233!
< 1221939553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that'll do!
< 1221939553 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAIISS552233!!
< 1221939556 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1221939559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"coming back in a bit"
< 1221939569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently too obscure to have a wikipedia page ;)
< 1221939614 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he using the echo to find his way back?
< 1221939650 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221939657 0 :Slereah2!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-30-147.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221939703 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they delete his page?!
< 1221939714 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221939715 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't
< 1221939720 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221939721 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you meant SQL
< 1221939722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1221939726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221939805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, OS X question: in OS X, how do you eject an unmounted CD. say I unmounted it using umount as root in a terminal
< 1221939809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then later want to eject it
< 1221939810 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why Buck Godot doesn't update regularly when Girl Genius does
< 1221939828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: simple
< 1221939831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the frequency is regular but not the time of day
< 1221939831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1221939840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the eject button on the keyboard. if your keyboard is stupid, try the F12 key.
< 1221939845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, not F12
< 1221939846 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1221939858 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme remember what it was for retarded keyboards :D
< 1221939867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, didn't work
< 1221939868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried
< 1221939879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a macbook
< 1221939883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it got an eject key
< 1221939891 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you have to hold it down possibly?
< 1221939894 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tapping it doesn't work
< 1221939900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid inadvertently ejecting
< 1221939903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes and the "eject" symbol showed up on screen
< 1221939910 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1221939912 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why
< 1221939922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only other thing i know then is 'drutil tray eject' in a terminal
< 1221939934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that fails, i guess you'll have to re-mount it and i don't know why any of these would fail
< 1221939934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221939935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah thanks
< 1221939960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, how would you remount it under /Volumes, I get a "permission denied" as root
< 1221939991 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: put the disc back in?
< 1221939991 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221940008 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what does mount say?
< 1221940010 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't say that
< 1221940027 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount should work fine
< 1221940031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, "mount: Permission denied"
< 1221940038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, but how did you call it
< 1221940039 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221940090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount -o nodev,nosuid,read-only /dev/disk1s3 "/Volumes/Mac OS X Install Disc 1"
< 1221940099 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: with sudo in front of it?
< 1221940119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no since I had used sudo su - 3 lines above
< 1221940135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't think you would need sudo when you were in a root shell
< 1221940141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: did you mkdir /Volumes/Mac OS X Install Disc 1?
< 1221940155 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount for me has always required you mkdir the target dir...
< 1221940155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it still exist from when I ran unmount
< 1221940160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umount*
< 1221940168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls confirms that
< 1221940170 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then...that should work perfectly
< 1221940176 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does for me
< 1221940185 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: try rmdiring it and mkdiring it, just in case
< 1221940190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, Tiger? 10.4.11
< 1221940192 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that...shrug, your machine is crazy
< 1221940193 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes
< 1221940213 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it remounted when you plugged the disc back in though
< 1221940216 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/plugged/put/
< 1221940222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, apple hardware test (booting cd with d pressed) reports no errors
< 1221940232 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it remounted when you put the disc back in though
< 1221940268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well issue was I couldn't eject it, but drutil worked and yes it remounted on insert
< 1221940281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you think I tried to mount it again before I asked you in the first place?
< 1221940294 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it remounted on insert ... why do you need to mount it
< 1221940294 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221940314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well I was just curious there. But thanks for that drutil line
< 1221940328 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well, closed as WFM
< 1221940329 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221940336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, eh?
< 1221940340 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worksforme
< 1221940409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, also the "drutil tray" seems strange to me
< 1221940417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a slot type drive
< 1221940421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see any tray
< 1221940427 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps AnMaster 
< 1221940431 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being so silly :P
< 1221940449 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and drutil is named as such because it uses the DiscRecording framework to interact with the drive
< 1221940459 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common verbs include burn, erase, eject, help, info, list,
< 1221940459 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     status, and tray.
< 1221940464 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Info, status and tray are now verbs.
< 1221940466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221940468 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION trays AnMaster 
< 1221940481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was maybe "DRiveUtil"
< 1221940488 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make sense too :P
< 1221940498 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's Doctor Utility
< 1221940554 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-039-071.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221940773 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1221940803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verbs verb verbally
< 1221940972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, also verbs: "subchannel" "version" "cdtext"
< 1221940977 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221940977 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1221940978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few more
< 1221940983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi ais523
< 1221940988 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Shut up or I'll subchannel you
< 1221941011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1221941019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523
< 1221941020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually sounds as it make sense on irc
< 1221941023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, has an argument grown up while I've been missing?
< 1221941025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I haven't logread for months
< 1221941027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to logread all the time...
< 1221941038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no we are *for once* in agreement
< 1221941049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is extremely unlikely relly
< 1221941052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really*
< 1221941067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not!
< 1221941079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what are you disagreeing about, then?
< 1221941084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do with some context, really
< 1221941085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no clue
< 1221941093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1221941095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> oh and drutil is named as such because it uses the DiscRecording framework to interact with the drive
< 1221941095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> Common verbs include burn, erase, eject, help, info, list,
< 1221941095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho>      status, and tray.
< 1221941095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> Info, status and tray are now verbs.
< 1221941099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> tusho, also verbs: "subchannel" "version" "cdtext"
< 1221941103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from same man page
< 1221941118 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's such a load of trash!
< 1221941185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common verbs include burn, erase, eject, help, info, list, status, and tray.
< 1221941185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest of the verbs are: bulkerase, cdtext, discinfo, dumpiso, dumpudf, filename, getconfig, poll, subchannel, trackinfo, and version.
< 1221941192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the complete list
< 1221941200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: in INTERCAL "NEXT" is a verb
< 1221941205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously there are no other verbs
< 1221941205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all
< 1221941206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people talk about "NEXTING" and so on
< 1221941214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this caused me issues translating it into Latin, though
< 1221941237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Apple made man page (as opposed to "a self made man [page]") states so
< 1221941246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :</double-bad-joke>
< 1221941268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's NEXT in latin?
< 1221941299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEINDE
< 1221941315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I formed into an infinitive as DEINDERE
< 1221941321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from there the gerundive as DEINDENDUM
< 1221941331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the best that can be done
< 1221941444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wtf is "gerundive"?
< 1221941479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to remember now
< 1221941507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in INTERCAL English uses gerunds, which makes gramattical sense, but the Latin version uses gerundives probably because someone mistranslated years ago
< 1221941535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... a latin gerundive like "deindendum" translates best into English as "having/needing/wanting to be nexted"
< 1221941553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they have some common uses iirc
< 1221941566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Hogwarts motto is a good example
< 1221941577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"draco dormiens numquam tittilandus [est]"
< 1221941587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um that's a different use
< 1221941596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is never the case that a dragon is needing to be tickled", more or less literally
< 1221941604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so in my view it's the same case, pretty much
< 1221941613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you think the difference is?
< 1221941690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a different use of the gerundium, similar to -ing in english
< 1221941701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's just the pure gerund IIRC
< 1221941708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be "deindens" in this case, meaning "nexting"
< 1221941712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no!
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< 1221941720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one that ought to be used in INTERCAL but isn't
< 1221941721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english -ing has two different meanings
< 1221941724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, agreed
< 1221941729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nexting" as in "the act of nexting"
< 1221941734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the noun version of -ing
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< 1221941744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gerund in both English and Latin
< 1221941751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1221941753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin has gerundive, too, which doesn't correspond directly to anything in English
< 1221941769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, deindens isn't the gerund, is it
< 1221941772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the other sort of -ing
< 1221941773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but iirc those have the same form in latin, with -ndum
< 1221941780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's why I was confused
< 1221941790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hogwarts motto is definitely gerundive not gerund though
< 1221941826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A sleeping dragon is never tickling" is nonsense semantically in English, and gramatically in Latin as participles are never used like that in Latin and a gerund would be a noun not an adjective
< 1221941830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "gerunds"?
< 1221941848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "programming", referring to the noun, for instance
< 1221941856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1221941861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am programming" is a participle, whereas "Programming is my favourite subject" is a gerund
< 1221941868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English uses -ing for two different things and confuses the issue
< 1221941872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the hogwarts use is definitely the "needing to be" use
< 1221941879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the gerundive
< 1221941884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"needing" isn't exactly the right word
< 1221941892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1221941894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's enough to get the sense of the translation
< 1221941895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin is complex
< 1221941903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i am programming in the gerund sense.
< 1221941904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, Latin is simple, English is complex
< 1221941906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in Swedish we don't even have a -ing form really.
< 1221941926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you have -ande, don't you?
< 1221941930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: for pretty much everyone in this channel, I'd disagree, but for you, that's perfect
< 1221941945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1221941947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well yes, but we don't use it for "I am programming", we use the "present tense" form then
< 1221941952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that is the right English name for it
< 1221941952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ping, by the way
< 1221941955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you asked me to
< 1221941971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's the two meanings english confuses
< 1221941972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pretty much only English uses forms of "is" with a participle
< 1221941974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish does it that way too
< 1221941978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1221941979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be expressed in many other languages but they never use it
< 1221941990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but both finnish and swedish have the awkwards -ing form too
< 1221941993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the progressive is a third thing, really
< 1221941999 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*awkward
< 1221942008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Latin, for instance, "deindens sum" makes sense, sort of, but is so anti-idiomatic that they never used it
< 1221942013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, I don't even know the terminology for this in English
< 1221942021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can manage it fine *in Swedish* I think
< 1221942025 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: progressive is the am -ing thing
< 1221942034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems ais523 has generalized my point and thus owned me quite bad.
< 1221942049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll go read some more math ->
< 1221942051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except that deindere isn't actually a verb, because INTERCAL doesn't date back to ancient Roman times
< 1221942055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what is the "present tense" then in English?
< 1221942063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in am/is
< 1221942067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I program.
< 1221942073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i, program.
< 1221942073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty rarely used in conversation though
< 1221942078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is present tense the right word?
< 1221942080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternatively "I am programming"
< 1221942081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes
< 1221942085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the new movie
< 1221942088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is what we would use instead of -ing in Swedish
< 1221942092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am programming" would be the most common way to do it, that's the progressive active
< 1221942093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for "I am programming"
< 1221942102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I program" would be most commonly used for speech acts
< 1221942107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we wouldn't use our rarely used -ande form that oerjan mentioned
< 1221942127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the start of formal complainy letters: "I write to you because I am very upset about the way you have treated my computer..."
< 1221942153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well we would use it informally too, our -ing form is very seldom used
< 1221942156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in swedish and norwegian i guess that's used only for forming adjectives, not as a part of verb tenses
< 1221942168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, as I said English is unusual in this respect
< 1221942171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah yes that is a use for it
< 1221942177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confuses foreigners quite a lot until they get used to it
< 1221942192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ithkuil uses both quite a lot
< 1221942203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ithkuil?
< 1221942204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that
< 1221942209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the language
< 1221942219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway, the gerundive is pretty useful, it's annoying not having it in English, it's sort of the opposite of the participle
< 1221942220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what country?
< 1221942235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "participle"?
< 1221942247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: itkuil is a conlang
< 1221942248 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a conlang i presume
< 1221942251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am programming", in English, but "Feather is correct-to-program", in Latin literally translated to English
< 1221942256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't think we have gerundive in Swdish
< 1221942259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a participle is an adjective made from a verb
< 1221942260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one with a reputation of being so hard there's no use trying to learn it
< 1221942288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely using them in English is non-idiomatic
< 1221942292 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard in that you need to master all of its aspects before being able to say the simplest thing
< 1221942296 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i think we use the infinitive for the other -ing use
< 1221942308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Norw. and Sw.)
< 1221942316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The running policeman shouted at the burglar" is about the closest I can get to an idiomatic uses of a participle
< 1221942324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't part of a verb phrase like "I am running"
< 1221942341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no words, just kinda word bodies consisting of two consonants; you create words by inserting the details of how you want to use those bodies to make the actual objects
< 1221942347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a present active participle, Latin has past passive participles and sometimes past active participles too
< 1221942347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes
< 1221942358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind you not _everything_ is the same in Norwegian and Swedish.  they use -st passive much more than us i think)
< 1221942377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance sea, ocean, lake, river, rain and such would probably just be the "water" word body, with a lot of infliction
< 1221942377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I can think stuff like "Programmerandets skönhet" would be plausible but sound rather strange
< 1221942391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone should learn it, hkuil, i mean
< 1221942396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather I would use "skönheten i programmering" or something like that
< 1221942410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh that wouldn't even be possible in norwegian, another difference
< 1221942429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it wouldn't?
< 1221942434 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to use -ing
< 1221942457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, err the noun you mean?
< 1221942461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ende is purely present participle, and also completely uninflectable
< 1221942478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also doesn't Norwegian come in two flavours?
< 1221942489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nynorsk and Bokmål
< 1221942493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah it would -ande in Nynorsk
< 1221942496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what the real difference is
< 1221942500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which is the most common
< 1221942509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bokm�l is the most common
< 1221942518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bokmal is the one that non-Norwegians come across most often
< 1221942528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact Nynorsk is probably closer to swedish on this point
< 1221942547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I've heard of them both but never seen Nynorsk in a language list but Bokmal crops up all the time
< 1221942575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: its abbreviation is nn iirc
< 1221942592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nb for bokmal, they changed it from no pretty recently IIRC
< 1221942601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nn is presumably nynorsk
< 1221942611 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you _do_ sometimes see it in wikipedia's left panel
< 1221942630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there two ones then?
< 1221942633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It make no sense
< 1221942662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, there?
< 1221942666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why are there both American and British English?
< 1221942677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, how do you set the "package" property on a directory in OS X using command line
< 1221942712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, because there are two different countries, and until the last 100 years or so travel between them was not something you did easily
< 1221942726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they took separate paths in the "evolution" of the language
< 1221942742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can imagine the same happening to two dialects of Norwegian until they became two different languages
< 1221942751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Norway is one rather small country
< 1221942770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway was under denmark.
< 1221942774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Nynorsk literally means "New Norse"
< 1221942777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until 1814.
< 1221942782 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, new norwegian
< 1221942782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sounds like not that old
< 1221942785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1221942787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1221942800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bad translation of "Norska")
< 1221942815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until then, the official language in norway was danish.  obviously we wanted to change that.
< 1221942822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1221942829 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: new means absolutely nothing in a name.
< 1221942829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what was wrong with Bokmål?
< 1221942846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, really?
< 1221942846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that the thing was new when it was born... which is true of quite a lot of things.
< 1221942860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1221942864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows NT
< 1221942868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bokm�l was created by gradually norwegianizing the danish spoken in the capital and cities
< 1221942869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(New Technology iirc)
< 1221942882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and Nynorsk?
< 1221942884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an upper class dialect
< 1221942892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nynorsk on the other hand
< 1221942905 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1221942943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was created by a linguist (Ivar Aasen) collecting samples from various norwegian dialects, and creating a new written language out of it (with some norse inspiration too, i think)
< 1221942945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes. Even worse was Microsoft advertising "new NT technology" in one of their adverts, which is doubly redundant
< 1221942987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus in the beginning Nynorsk was more obviously "Norwegian" i guess.
< 1221943001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ouch
< 1221943009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while Bokm�l had the support of the upper classes
< 1221943039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yet Bokmål (Book language???????) "won"?
< 1221943061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nynorsk grew quickly, and somewhere around 1950 was used in about 50% of municipalities i think
< 1221943070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1221943078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, came television.
< 1221943085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right and?
< 1221943102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I know that when television came in the UK the BBC managed to basically standardise English by themselves
< 1221943107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably something similar happened in Norway
< 1221943115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly sent from Oslo, where the language was bokm�l-like
< 1221943125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i think happened in norway too
< 1221943151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1221943166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't Radio have this effect?
< 1221943169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :television is required to have a part Nynorsk, but only 25%, and they apparently cheat by including actual dialects in it, or they did
< 1221943171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all that is still sound
< 1221943178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe radio did too
< 1221943199 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i am telling this from somewhat vague impression
< 1221943224 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention (or i just did) the Samnorsk disaster of that age
< 1221943259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they attempted to _merge_ nynorsk and bokm�l, by using only the common forms
< 1221943276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result was .. ugly, from both points of view
< 1221943345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1221943371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were reports of parents correcting their children's school books :D
< 1221943377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also what do you mean with including "actual dialects"
< 1221943418 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bokm�l and nynorsk are both in principle written forms. this does not prevent them from having somewhat standardized pronunciation
< 1221943440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is used by official newscasters and such
< 1221943460 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, some people speak natively quite close to bokm�l, and maybe a few to nynorsk)
< 1221943484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a great channel, where else could I get up-to-the minute interesting information about Norwegian dialects that actually developed from something ontopic?
< 1221943528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in norway, spoken dialects have an unusually high prestige, and so many people _don't_ standardize when they speak
< 1221943536 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't, for example)
< 1221943559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this developed from the 60's or so, i think
< 1221943604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the TV channels included those that did this in their "Nynorsk" quota, for a while
< 1221943620 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well there was just one channel really until around 1980)
< 1221943637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which meant nynorsk itself was marginalized even further
< 1221943638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't mål goal in both swedish and norwegian
< 1221943659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both goal and speech
< 1221943681 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if there's any relation between the meanings
< 1221943741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't think of anything
< 1221943743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe it also means "paint" in swedish? (norw. "mal")
< 1221943762 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's nynorsk too
< 1221943785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221943807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, in Latin "latus" means both "having been carried" and "wide", you can get all sorts of weird combinations like that
< 1221943876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ferre, tuli, latus.  that's one weird verb.
< 1221943885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, definitely
< 1221943913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the "ferro" and "ferre" forms almost form a pattern
< 1221943943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although to fit with other verbs it should really be ferrere not ferre
< 1221943997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how well do you ppl know latin?
< 1221944010 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fero actually
< 1221944028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read a grammar 20 years ago.  impressive memory, really.
< 1221944040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean even i am impressed
< 1221944058 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember things from 20 years back too
< 1221944059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :few actual words though
< 1221944084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar sticks in your mind, vocab I've forgotten most of really
< 1221944103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although English is sufficiently based on Latin that most Latin words correspond to some English word
< 1221944105 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more like ferere, except dropping the middle -e- all over the place iirc
< 1221944107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not normally the most common one
< 1221944109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a few weeks after conception, i was checking out the wall of the uterus
< 1221944113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was kinda dark
< 1221944119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's not much to it
< 1221944135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: heh
< 1221944146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a baby's vision is in black and white for the first few days
< 1221944155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rods are ready immediately but the cones take some time
< 1221944166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had the same experience with grammar, i can imagine being able to perfectly learn a language in a few weeks, apart from the vocab
< 1221944166 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [citation needed] :D
< 1221944186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is me remembering it from somewhere, not sure where, so not sure if it was a reliable source or not
< 1221944205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of random data I remember from years back, most of which are true by chance but many of which are likely complete nonsense, or urban legends
< 1221944213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so take that with 0.294 of a pinch of salt
< 1221944227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: maybe that's something we esolangers have in common
< 1221944231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a volume unit joke, ais?
< 1221944281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, also I'm poking fun at the whole pinch of salt metaphor
< 1221944292 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well usually i can just take a few pages of data from the grammar book, and summarize them in a more general rule
< 1221944307 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since these are usually pretty simple concepts, it's not like you can forget them
< 1221944321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin grammar is pretty regular, except when it isn't
< 1221944327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lots more regular than English, anyway
< 1221944345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Hungarian has an even more regular grammar, but I would probably never be bothered to learn the vocab
< 1221944354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has no grammar! it just has sentences, and you have to memorize them
< 1221944374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughs out loud in real life
< 1221944377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try lojban, it's fun and nice :-)
< 1221944382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily there's nobody to hear me and throw me out this time
< 1221944392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there often is when people in #esoteric make me laugh a lot
< 1221944407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you been thrown out? :P
< 1221944452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite, although I got a warning once
< 1221944462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some funny looks more than once
< 1221944505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the moment though I'm on my own in an empty lab
< 1221944511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a pretty fun course at the uni, the project is to code a texas hold'em ai, and there's a tournament at the end of the period
< 1221944511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even have music blaring as nobody else is here
< 1221944526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the lights in the building have turned themselves off due to nobody being around
< 1221944531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was thinking esolangs :-)
< 1221944531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the ones in here
< 1221944537 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are there money prices? :D
< 1221944561 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly no, and since i don't think the actual playing part is part of the grade, many will just make a randomizing ai
< 1221944599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually about distributed computing, basically the grade is for getting java to connect to the server and to coordinate the ai threads :)
< 1221944619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have multiple ai's that can cheat by reading each other's data
< 1221944631 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's really strategically quite different from normal texas hold'em
< 1221944650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can say that o_O
< 1221944651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it matters of course, since i doubt i'll need anything that sophisticated to beat everyone to the ground
< 1221944666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not everyone's data
< 1221944681 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221944688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a few agents, the opponents have a few agents, and your agents are kinda allies.
< 1221944748 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was just a warning, as in 1.5 months i shall disconnect from irc forever in case i lose
< 1221944770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not, but you know, i'll change my nick to okloser or something, and cry for a few days
< 1221944780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a bad loser
< 1221944814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah you're just an okloposer
< 1221944830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1221945099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: your multithreaded networked Java assignment is a lot more interesting than ours
< 1221945110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to create a multiplayer networked Snakes and Ladders game
< 1221945116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a server and any number of clients connecting to it
< 1221945138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably one of the most pointless projects ever, given that Snakes and Ladders has no inputs from the user so all players could do was click a button whenever it was their turn
< 1221945165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, snakes and latters make no sense
< 1221945176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we actually implement it on another course.
< 1221945183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's more about the gui
< 1221945184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I overengineered it in protest
< 1221945188 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221945203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to make a poker hand class for one of the introductory courses
< 1221945217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :server automatically quitting at the right moment, handling disconnections and players quitting gracefully, could make multiple attempts to connect if you screwed up the parameters first time, and so on
< 1221945222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i made a full-blown poker game
< 1221945223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION often overengineers things in protest
< 1221945248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hehehe
< 1221945250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221945250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it was not that complicated, but as what i was supposed to do was basically a 2-tuple, it was something.
< 1221945253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do the same
< 1221945258 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just write things in brainfuck in protest.
< 1221945258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, no 3d engine?
< 1221945274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we had to use a pre-provided class for the actual gameplay itself
< 1221945280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which drew snakes-and-ladders boards
< 1221945286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just interface to it
< 1221945291 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221945302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source code for it wasn't provided either, just the compiled version
< 1221945317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I had to do a bit of reverse-engineering to get it working in my AWT program, as it was Swing itself
< 1221945324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figuring out what sort of wrappers it needed
< 1221945330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should've reverse-engineered what it output to the screen, and rerender it to 3d
< 1221945338 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the Scheme "introduction to programming" course one of the weekly assignments was "draw something including some text and an ellipse" (using the provided "xdraw" library/app); a friend wrote a raytracer for that.
< 1221945344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dislikes Swing as they don't see why Java should force their GUI on users rather than the one they're used to
< 1221945353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for example "make a php page that implements a quiz with three 4-possible-answers questions". Pointless IMO. So I made a extensible quiz engine that can handle any amount of predefined questions with any amount of answers
< 1221945376 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And received 0 points, I think, since the metacircular evaluator used by the automatical-grading-bot was so slow it didn't finish rendering the scene.)
< 1221945392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably everyone in here overengineers the answers to stupid programming questions
< 1221945395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what about you?
< 1221945399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is the diff between Swing and AWT?
< 1221945417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: AWT uses the platform's widgets, Swing is almost an OS of its own
< 1221945426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with rendering the entire window, and everything
< 1221945429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, automated grading bot. Ugh
< 1221945443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I hope he/she talked to the teacher about that!
< 1221945450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with AnMaster
< 1221945469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and well I prefer using native widgets
< 1221945471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks better
< 1221945474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I
< 1221945494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tusho doesn't have assignments
< 1221945496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I used AWT, whereas everyone else used Swing because it was easier to interface with the teacher's code and what I was taught
< 1221945498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, though arguably, on Linux "native" widgets aren't well defined
< 1221945509 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's the "introduction to programming" course with gazillion students, and with N weekly programming assigments I don't think the department has the resources to manually grade them; at least the final "programming project" part was looked at by a human.
< 1221945511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'd argue on my desktop that happens to be KDE
< 1221945515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers another teacher, where we both spent most of the lessons complaining about how stupid the syllabus was
< 1221945529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well native is whatever AWT uses on your system, from Java's point of view
< 1221945536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well didn't he/she complain about that specific issue to the teacher
< 1221945555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: complaining about bugs in the grading system is worthwhile IMO, even if autograders are fine normally
< 1221945561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "syllabus"?
< 1221945583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the set of knowledge that a university or school course is meant to teach
< 1221945588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221945607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, it was how to write ELIZA-alikes and expert systems using POP11
< 1221945628 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's more of a "feature" that it doesn't get stuck in infinite loops; I think it was the only "sensible" program that went over the execution time limit. Don't know whether he complained or not, it might not have made any difference in the course grade. I'm sure he at least talked about it with the teacher.
< 1221945628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and POP11 is a pretty uninteresting and annoying-to-use imperative language
< 1221945643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or "print all primes between 0 and 100 using php" -> full blown Sieve of Atkins(!) in PHP, took about a day.
< 1221945666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had rudimentary pattern matching, and did loops with recursion, and that's about it for its interesting features
< 1221945671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not auto grading, the teacher did give me a strange look the lesson after, but didn't comment on it
< 1221945672 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and he also wrote a patch to the "xdraw" drawing thing, because that was the major reason the raytracer was so slow. The silly thing had a putpixel performance that was (at least) O(n) where n is the amount of colors used in the image.
< 1221945700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you could have done that without even a <? involved anywhere, probably would have been shorter too
< 1221945706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then that's the -F method of programming
< 1221945724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah well I bet the teacher wouldn't have liked that
< 1221945741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a valid solution, though, arguably even the best one if you're going for efficiency
< 1221945752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change 100 to 10000 and the problem gets more interesting
< 1221945761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I suspect the teacher expected either "loop, test if prime, print" or sieve of Eratosthenes
< 1221945803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was an introductionary(sp?) course
< 1221945825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: indroductory
< 1221945832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*introductory
< 1221945860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the typo?
< 1221945867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :third letter d->t
< 1221945880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the part of the word that was obvious, rather than the confusing part
< 1221945880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in mine
< 1221945907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you left the tion in, it disappears in the inflected word in this case
< 1221945924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, that is one part I dislike in English
< 1221945928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more exceptions than rules
< 1221945971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, no exceptions, no rules, just sentences :)
< 1221946005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but that isn't even a sentence...
< 1221946349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :module random:
< 1221946351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPORTS
< 1221946351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       seed() -> ran()
< 1221946351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              Seeds random number generation with default (fixed) values in the process dictionary, and returns the old state.
< 1221946352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221946370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is a seed(A, B, C) too, that you can use if you want something random)
< 1221946387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like {A1,A2,A3} = now(), random:seed(A1, A2, A3)
< 1221946480 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who pinged me, why
< 1221946482 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will kill them
< 1221946493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ais523 I think
< 1221946509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I pinged you because you asked em to
< 1221946511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/em/m/e
< 1221946519 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221946520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/e$/e\//
< 1221946526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> s/em/m/e <-- wtf?
< 1221946536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a typo, I fixed it on the next line
< 1221946549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could also have fixed it with sub m () {"me";}
< 1221946551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hey use a different separator whe you use sed on an existing sed expression!
< 1221946556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sed
< 1221946558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not perl
< 1221946561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very clear
< 1221946562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would have been a lot more obscure
< 1221946564 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is perl
< 1221946566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my corrections are in Perl
< 1221946568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's sed
< 1221946571 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not
< 1221946574 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 knows, he wrote it
< 1221946577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1221946580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you've seen how complicated my regex corrections get sometimes you'd know why
< 1221946598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The sky is green" "No it's not, it's blue" "Yes it is" "No it's not" "Yes it's green" "No, it is most definitely blue"
< 1221946622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it[who?] has been proved that if there are only two people in Finland, and 5 of them are in #esoteric then ais523's corrections are in sed not perl
< 1221946632 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is based on logic
< 1221946634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is not
< 1221946639 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus darwin (the pope) agrees with me
< 1221946639 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed
< 1221946641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: luckily there are more than 2 people in finland
< 1221946647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also your argument is correct but irrelevant
< 1221946656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well tusho said there were only two
< 1221946661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few days ago
< 1221946667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only two
< 1221946669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and six or so are in here
< 1221946671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see!
< 1221946681 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can link you to the logs with my elaborate proof
< 1221946682 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wish
< 1221946684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | there are only two people in Finland, and 5 of them are in #esoteric
< 1221946688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well that still holds true, thanks to the extended hypothesis
< 1221946703 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin was a pope?
< 1221946706 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes
< 1221946711 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can link you to the proof of that too
< 1221946716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not the one I know of
< 1221946749 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes
< 1221946750 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes he was
< 1221946757 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 1 darwin = 10 darwins
< 1221946765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, popes are antidarwins
< 1221946767 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in actual fact
< 1221946769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pope is darwin
< 1221946771 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in denial
< 1221946776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gets confusing when you realise that the pope was darwin to start with
< 1221946776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if darwin == infinite
< 1221946785 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because darwin cannot doubt himself.
< 1221946792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, we must all hail darwin, defeater of human preconceptions
< 1221946793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only then does 1 darwin = 10 darwin hold true
< 1221946796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wrong
< 1221946803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, oh?
< 1221946804 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay, because 1 darwin = 10 darwin holds only in africa
< 1221946807 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's african mathematicis
< 1221946810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mathematics
< 1221946810 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck are you people talking about
< 1221946815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, no clue
< 1221946815 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it involve any bees
< 1221946815 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: darwin
< 1221946817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with Slereah_
< 1221946817 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his Supreme Popeity
< 1221946839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with ais523 
< 1221946840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually just an elaborate collection of injokes that actually makes sense in its own closed world with warped logic, btw
< 1221946851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now we just need Slereah_ to agree with me to form a cycle)
< 1221946864 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with Darwin
< 1221946872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am darwin
< 1221946872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that was interesting
< 1221946874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so are you
< 1221946879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore you agreed with me
< 1221946889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: actually Darwin is an operating system
< 1221946891 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the statement was: "Slereah_ should eat his hat and post pictures on the internet"
< 1221946896 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, that ismerely a manifestation
< 1221946901 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the darwin time cube
< 1221946910 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not let the popes pope drone mobiles from sheffield take you away
< 1221946920 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know they are coming when...you hear... the... sound.....
< 1221946927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think I'm going to put tusho on ignore now, and I hope so are you
< 1221946954 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is a serious business zone!
< 1221946964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: before I came here I used to read Usenet a lot, although I never killfiled anyone I got quite adept at ignoring them mentally
< 1221946965 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 100% serious enterprise business - like the cfunge committee - can be discussed here.
< 1221946967 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiously in Discordianism, according to their scripture (such as it is), everyone is a Pope; so Darwin would've been one too.
< 1221946969 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is of great importance.
< 1221946977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "killified"?
< 1221946978 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Discordianism is the pope
< 1221946986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: killfiled
< 1221946991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite the same
< 1221946998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which is?
< 1221946999 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: am I on mental ignore
< 1221947015 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also AnMaster still has not figured out a way to get his computer to search the web for information, is ee
< 1221947015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: depends on what you say
< 1221947017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i see
< 1221947023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: killfiling on Usenet is like /ignore on IRC
< 1221947027 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: time cube educated stupid darwin pope am i on mental ignore
< 1221947032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah
< 1221947034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although good newsreaders let you killfile threads as well as people
< 1221947048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IRC equivalent is /part, I think...
< 1221947065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah
< 1221947089 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more like unsubscribing.
< 1221947121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah yes
< 1221947127 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could all add a conversation identifier prefix to our messages so it would be possible to ignore "threads".
< 1221947181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wouldn't work well
< 1221947223 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why not?
< 1221947228 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have multiple convo tags
< 1221947231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on linux how do you mount one partition on a cd when the cd got several? like a hfs one and an iso one
< 1221947241 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, timecube and linux
< 1221947245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and tusho is on mental ignore
< 1221947250 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timecube linux @ AnMaster: You educate stupid!
< 1221947252 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see
< 1221947266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do the partitions have separate filenames?
< 1221947270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the timecube operating system
< 1221947273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, it's easy, just use the mount command by hand
< 1221947274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, all I see is /dev/sr0
< 1221947281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# file -s /dev/sr0
< 1221947281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/sr0: Apple Partition data block size: 512, first type: Apple_partition_map, name: Apple, number of blocks: 63, second type: Apple_Driver_ATAPI, name: Macintosh, number of blocks: 4, third type: Apple_Free, name: , number of blocks: 0,
< 1221947288 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | see ed murphy's reply
< 1221947308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got no idea how to look at the separate partitions of it
< 1221947324 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, can we use the timecube to implement twoducks?
< 1221947331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, //dev/sr0 is my dvd reader btw
< 1221947335 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: twoducks is HARMONIOUS TIME CUBE POPE
< 1221947345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be low-level stuff, I'm not too sure how it works but there may be some way to mknod a block-special-device for that partition
< 1221947379 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But
< 1221947381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, udev should handle it
< 1221947383 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If time is cube
< 1221947385 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is space
< 1221947404 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should read some timecube stuff to find out.  or maybe i should try to preserve the last vestiges of sanity.
< 1221947445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I suggest the latter
< 1221947450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, not sure if it isn't working, I don't know that much about that sort of thing
< 1221947457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: to answer that, you need a space time pair of ducks
< 1221947463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily there are lots of other Linux users on IRC, some of them will probably know
< 1221947469 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : Boo!
< 1221947470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, guess so
< 1221947481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will look at it tomorrow
< 1221947484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: see Triangle and Robert
< 1221947485 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also need a kernel with CONFIG_MAC_PARTITION=y to get those partition tables read.
< 1221947540 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably.)
< 1221947557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure about hfs/iso hybrid-CDs.
< 1221947657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have that option
< 1221947700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I asked in #linux, but issue is no one ever responds there (though a few respond to the newbie questions all the time, none responds to advanced ones)
< 1221947909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remember that mkisofs/genisoimage can do iso/hfs hybrids, don't know about mounting. Although if you yourself can read the relevant formats, usually you can mount just about anything with -o loop=/dev/sr0,offset=magic-number-to-start-of-partition.
< 1221947922 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuyqwe@bas2-toronto47-1242437529.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221947974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm I don't know the offsets
< 1221947980 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why do you always bother me about your os x troubles
< 1221947981 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not fizzie
< 1221947984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he uses os x too
< 1221947993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well I didn't know that
< 1221947996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the info
< 1221948000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1221948002 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you're deaf
< 1221948008 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since he's talked about running cfunge on os x
< 1221948013 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and misc. mentions of os x
< 1221948017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also answered your os x qs before
< 1221948022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but I thought that was some temp thing
< 1221948072 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Man or God exists as One, for _Cubic fish of Opposites_, divide the Egg into 4 Opposing Quadrants.
< 1221948171 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a iBook laptop that just seems to work better with OS X. And actually I'm currently writing this using it, since my main desktop managed to get some mysterious hardware issues during the move to this new apartment.
< 1221948489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have an really old ibook. first model of ibook. PPC, 3.2 GB harddrive
< 1221948495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS 9 or 8 iirc
< 1221948503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 MB RAM(!)
< 1221948527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though extended with another 32 MB module to 64 MB
< 1221948565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a home built laptop would own
< 1221948569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why that is so hard
< 1221948577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :home built towers sure
< 1221948580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why never laptops
< 1221948625 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: deep
< 1221948639 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Good ol' Time Cube gave me that one :P
< 1221948659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1221948659 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221948702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time cube is a joke right?
< 1221948707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is someone actually that mad?
< 1221948743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) _someone_ is actually that mad, for whatever value of mad (2) don't know about time cube
< 1221948743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, GregorR ^
< 1221948767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, huh?
< 1221948769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time cube is not a joke, no
< 1221948775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gene ray is just a deranged old man with schizophrenia
< 1221948790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did quite a bit of idle research in to it
< 1221948804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for whatever value of mad, there is always someone that mad
< 1221948836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1221948855 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Time Cube is a joke to everyone except Gene Ray :P
< 1221948885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah gene ray is quite thoroughly mentally ill
< 1221948891 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i doubt anything can really be done for him
< 1221948902 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best thing to do: laugh heartily
< 1221948915 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory: by an amazing coincidence, everything gene ray says is actually perfectly correct, but it will take humanity millennia to discover this
< 1221948959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.mklinux.apple.com/pub/Other_Tools/
< 1221948962 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.timecube.com/TheWisestHuman_newimg_GeneRayCube.jpg
< 1221948964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mac-fdisk
< 1221948966 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ deranged old man.
< 1221948989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1221948992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the url is broken
< 1221948998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[I] sys-fs/mac-fdisk
< 1221948998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Available versions:  0.1-r6
< 1221948998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Installed versions:  0.1-r6(23.15.49 2008-09-20)
< 1221948998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Homepage:            ftp://ftp.mklinux.apple.com/pub/Other_Tools/
< 1221948998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Description:         Mac/PowerMac disk partitioning utility
< 1221949014 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: this is our problem and we can fix it, certainly
< 1221949021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but download worked
< 1221949022 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however.... that is OLd by the looks of it
< 1221949024 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PowerMac?
< 1221949027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from gentoo mirrors
< 1221949035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well... lets see...
< 1221949044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember using one
< 1221949049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ages ago
< 1221949051 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatevs
< 1221949056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably before you were born tusho
< 1221949058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1221949060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1221949064 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-1995?
< 1221949068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah ok
< 1221949072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after you were born
< 1221949074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1221949085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but before you started school
< 1221949090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.
< 1221949090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1997 or so)
< 1221949090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when.
< 1221949094 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221949102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, maybe 1998
< 1221949104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1221949114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but something like that
< 1221949117 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time cube was founded in 1997
< 1221949121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1221949121 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coincidence? I think not.
< 1221949127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coincidence
< 1221949143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1221949146 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time cubincidence
< 1221949150 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a carefully-planned coincidence
< 1221949160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like all coincidences
< 1221949264 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i seem to recall you believe in syncronicity :P
< 1221949265 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp
< 1221949297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1221949303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed mounting the dvd
< 1221949314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use mac-fdisk on dvd to get offsets
< 1221949321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, mount with offset parameter
< 1221949415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: on my better days
< 1221949439 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: clearly it is synchronicity when your better days are
< 1221949445 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1221949455 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-085-016-239-200.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221949457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar your excellent is
< 1221949471 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoda am i
< 1221949503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone pointed out there was no International like Yoda speak Day
< 1221949514 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it let us
< 1221949538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in IWC's ITLA Pirate D thread, i think)
< 1221949557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much work it is
< 1221949579 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw
< 1221949587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a website need we make just
< 1221949600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, in Latin the Yoda word order was one of the most commonly-used
< 1221949615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seen my website have?  clearly for me still too much work it is
< 1221949629 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then volunteer do i
< 1221949634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Latin you could more or less randomly jumble the order of words in sentences and they would still mean the same thing if they weren't too complex
< 1221949642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Yoda word order popular was...
< 1221949686 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dick you can suck
< 1221949687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe google absolutely sure it not already does exist to make i should do
< 1221949709 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: idea good is that
< 1221949717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn they were lying
< 1221949731 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??
< 1221949738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.talklikeyoda.com/
< 1221949748 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damnit
< 1221949754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a bit out of date that website is
< 1221949758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly
< 1221949764 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CODE LIKE YODA
< 1221949769 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1221949776 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "code like Yoda" RPN?
< 1221949778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE YODA CODE
< 1221949790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What about an International Talk Like a ...!
< 1221949797 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whereinst you talk like a Ninja)
< 1221949802 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ninjay.)
< 1221949808 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ninjas don't talk, tusho
< 1221949811 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't make noises
< 1221949815 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: exactly.
< 1221949816 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the
< 1221949817 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...!
< 1221949823 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ... is eerie silence
< 1221949827 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ! is them cutting your throat
< 1221949842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually i think Yoda order is OSV while Latin was fond of SOV?
< 1221949866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yoda order is SOV IIRC
< 1221949872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Word order free english talk am I in experiment as.
< 1221949875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, Latin is definitely SOV by default
< 1221949877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS being rare but not unknown in human languages (Malagasy e.g.)
< 1221949880 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Understand you can me?
< 1221949898 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho : Go further
< 1221949901 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Letter order
< 1221949901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although adjectives make things more interesting as in Latin they needn't be attached to the noun they affect
< 1221949908 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Confusing that is too.
< 1221949916 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like this let us talk
< 1221949922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, definitely OSV or close, _it_ _is_
< 1221949930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1221949937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, "it is" is one word in Latin
< 1221949945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when the subject's a pronoun, Latin is OSV
< 1221949946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true that is
< 1221949974 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazing monocles
< 1221950039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monocles sounds like a Greek name, if you pronounce it Mono-cles
< 1221950042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a long e
< 1221950044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres
< 1221950060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monnasdas
< 1221950061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's hardly typical word order, it's poetic word order
< 1221950066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you anagram the sentence to make it scan well
< 1221950079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it separates the adjective from the noun
< 1221950080 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys let's talk in RPN english
< 1221950083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pack everything into one sentence
< 1221950088 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we get tons of nouns and adjectives such
< 1221950089 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe
< 1221950090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's confusing
< 1221950092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the verbs at the end
< 1221950093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort it all out
< 1221950114 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i that idea good is think
< 1221950186 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I idea good all you think not see
< 1221950188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should prepositions be postponed?
< 1221950195 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know not
< 1221950214 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it experiment with perhaps
< 1221950231 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way optimal the to find
< 1221950294 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain almost hard grammar thinking quota out of is
< 1221950343 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I I that got think
< 1221950382 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I game the lost just
< 1221950390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: how?
< 1221950453 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i27.tinypic.com/zxts7d.gif this image, which I've already forgotten where it was posted due to the annoyance of losing it but I think it was wikipedia or a forum or something
< 1221950515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, i forgot about the rpn
< 1221950529 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would have been epic in rpn
< 1221950555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads http://home.nvg.org/~oerjan/agora-horoscope/ again
< 1221950591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly the rules for yoda grammar are?
< 1221950594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1221950608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the force you must use
< 1221950727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.talklikeyoda.com/howto/
< 1221950752 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there was an essay linked to that i just gave up on
< 1221952404 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1221952448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I idea good all you think not see <<< could someone parse this for me
< 1221952454 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1221952458 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here
< 1221952465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bracketize it
< 1221952481 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ((idea good) (all you) think not) see
< 1221952488 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be (you all), possibly
< 1221952502 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in regular english:
< 1221952515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you all think not good idea
< 1221952567 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all think that?
< 1221952586 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1221952593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with you all it's pretty sensible yeah
< 1221954600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"9"
< 1221955594 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
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< 1221957860 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1221959515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
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< 1221959597 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I came up with a creative esoteric language :D
< 1221959632 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's based around input.
< 1221959639 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Input and output
< 1221959711 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody wants to know what it is?
< 1221959754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody is here, is where it's at :)
< 1221959771 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D;
< 1221959801 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two hours since anyone spoke
< 1221959910 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it based, exactly
< 1221959951 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEll
< 1221959955 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an assembly line
< 1221959971 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I, some cheap labor?
< 1221959973 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :input is split, processed, and spit out.
< 1221959975 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1221959989 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like an assembly line.
< 1221960000 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Input is processed by different 'workers' and then output
< 1221960032 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then, it's pretty much like any language
< 1221960040 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The workers are the real core of the language
< 1221960136 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1221960140 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes well uhh
< 1221960146 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each worker gets a turn
< 1221960155 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to process a single set of input
< 1221960162 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and place it to output
< 1221960251 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there can be seperators, combiners, etc.
< 1221960261 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just things that alter the data
< 1221962076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1221962154 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the name of a supervisor of an assembly line?
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< 1221964827 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like monads *haw haw haw*
< 1221964835 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol, monads.
< 1221964842 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLMONADS
< 1221964842 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry.
< 1221964844 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making it.
< 1221964857 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will the basic data type be the monad?
< 1221964887 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPURE MONAD IS IMPURE
< 1221965098 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221965179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: sounds a bit like dataflow programming, or unix pipes
< 1221965223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell also does a lot of pipelines, with or without monads
< 1221965255 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221965265 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw an ad for a site where you can buy a will with a "money back guarantee."
< 1221965272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: that IMPURE MONAD IS IMPURE meme, where's that from?
< 1221965278 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He planned to leave his vast riches to you, but due to a typo in the will it's been given to somebody with an extremely similar name ... the company he bought the will from had a money-back guarantee however, so here's $39.95."
< 1221965291 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was parodying <x> CAT IS <x>
< 1221965300 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Since ihope said "Lol, monads" which I changed to "LOLMONADS"
< 1221965305 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where i heard it
< 1221965316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it might be something older than lolcat?
< 1221965324 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's intended to be an assembly line, each connection has a length
< 1221965329 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, but not to my knowledge.
< 1221965389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: if it's just one assembly line then that sounds like a unix pipeline, except for the supervisor bit
< 1221965436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible monads _might_ work for that, if you wanted it in haskell
< 1221965455 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I brought up monads :P
< 1221965479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait those are not haskell Monads, but haskell Arrows
< 1221965874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION returneth from D&D.
< 1221966000 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOSER
< 1221966043 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need to make a net version of Hydra.
< 1221966051 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hydra?
< 1221966066 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/wiki/?title=Hydra
< 1221966757 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's great - by the time a game with a few players is over, you'll have 20-something heads on the table.
< 1221966800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds strangely similar to D&D
< 1221966803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1221966808 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha
< 1221966814 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice jab, but I rolled a perfect 20 to save.
< 1221967066 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 1 in 20 chance that you'll be able to do anything.
< 1221967111 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I attempt to make freenode sapient.
< 1221967124 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, rolled a 5. I attempt to make freenode sapient.
< 1221967133 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, rolled a 13. I attempt to make freenode sapient.
< 1221967140 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, rolled a 13. I attempt to make freenode sapient.
< 1221967141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls reading about take 20
< 1221967150 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, rolled a 6. I attempt to make freenode sapient.
< 1221967160 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, rolled a 9. I'll stop now.
< 1221967170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you roll 1 first?
< 1221967225 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fail?
< 1221967234 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, heck. I attempt to make freenode sapient.
< 1221967245 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, rolled a 14. I attempt to make freenode sapient.
< 1221967255 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, rolled a 1. So what happens?
< 1221967267 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ATTEMPT TO REMOVE IHOPE'S HEAD AND EAT IT WITH A NICE CHIANTI.
< 1221967270 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH LOOK, I ROLLED A 20
< 1221967273 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAY BYE TO YOUR HEAD
< 1221967288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 19 heads to go
< 1221967292 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye, head.
< 1221967298 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know I had 20 heads.
< 1221967303 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grows two more
< 1221967330 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wanted to think about 21 things at once. It ranks right up there near my ultimate lifetime goal.
< 1221967351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refuses to take the bait
< 1221967369 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with oerjan.
< 1221967369 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to ask. I can just begin a sentence with "Namely,".
< 1221967408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides behind a big rock
< 1221967409 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, to jump out of a bus window, catch a paper that flew out and achieved a height of at least 10 meters before coming back down, and jump back into the bus through the same window, all while the bus is going down the freeway at 60 miles per hour.
< 1221967415 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you all knew that already.
< 1221967443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was so absurd i'm thinking you know about a random generator for the stuff
< 1221967474 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I spent weeks thinking that up.
< 1221967481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it doesn't quite fit that - not enough independent parts
< 1221967591 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My penultimate lifetime goal is to be present at a disaster scene, fall unconscious, get inappropriately triaged as needing immediate medical help, wake up, notice that I have a red piece of tape stuck to me, and yell, "Nurse, I'd like a green one, please!"
< 1221967651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _could_ fit in nicely with the first one
< 1221967665 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course.
< 1221967691 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are all fantasy scenes from a potential story, taken out of context and relabeled as lifetime goals.
< 1221967718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nurse of course turns out to be color blind
< 1221967774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ultimate goal random generator doesn't give any relevant google hits, even removing any word other than "goal"
< 1221967783 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My antepenultimate lifetime goal is to get surrounded by police officers inside my high school, then charge at one of them, knocking them over and allowing me to escape. My preantepenultimate lifetime goal is to be taking an AP test when my pager goes off, prompting me to yell "Gotta go!" and run out of the classroom.
< 1221967807 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write a random ultimate goal generator, I will wub you forever.
< 1221967829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knocking _them_ over?  this some kind of domino effect?
< 1221967836 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Singular "they".
< 1221967908 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal under that would presumably be to find a way of continuing the construction "preantepenultimate" indefinitely
< 1221967972 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one before the preantepenultimate is the penpreantepenultimate, the one before that is the antepenpreantepenultimate, and the one before that is the trasantepenpreantepenultimate.
< 1221968015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1221968049 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the one before that is; I'd have to see what "preantepenultimate" is in Italian.
< 1221968098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1221968126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you mean what penpreantepenultimate is
< 1221968142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1221968162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was spanish, not italian
< 1221968188 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since everyone in #esoteric notices everything, and you know it was Spanish, I'm sure you noticed that I began that with "tras", not "pre".
< 1221968221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course.  i also assume you are also reading http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/preantepenultimate
< 1221968237 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course.
< 1221968266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the italian could be close, perhaps exactly the same
< 1221968302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually spanish tras = italian tra
< 1221968306 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool.
< 1221968343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or fra)
< 1221968381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait
< 1221968391 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to take back what I said and say that the thing before preantepenultimate is nigh-preantepenultimate.
< 1221968403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are obviously originally the same but they don't mean the same thing
< 1221968694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://members.tripod.com/~mrpuzuzu/plan.html looked promising but i think it may need some improvement
< 1221968888 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | :P
< 1221968931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: ah, you liked it too?  i guess it will be useful to you now that you are sentient
< 1221968931 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because the actual cells used by the program are 2 and 4.
< 1221968946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: fiendish
< 1221968947 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I should grab that one implementation of Scheme for the Palm.
< 1221968970 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, say something now if you want me to yell at you.
< 1221968970 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: 0>"olleH"?:#,_@
< 1221968974 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You asked for it.
< 1221968975 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1221968975 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | the entire language is one big race condition, hehe
< 1221968982 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what language is this?
< 1221969009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something concurrent, presumably
< 1221969020 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it is: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Conveyor
< 1221969021 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just anything imperative
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< 1221979445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1221983606 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1221983999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1221986699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:23… × oerjan hides behind a big rock <<< haw haw i misread this
< 1221986701 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was good
< 1221986815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a dream where i was holding this balloon, and suddenly it started lifting me in the air
< 1221987185 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFINITE CONVEYOR
< 1221987204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so long you can just give up right away.
< 1221990021 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-148-172.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221990043 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1221990488 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Not straight after the first.
< 1221990681 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, how r u ?
< 1221990682 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: anyways it probably doesn't qualify as esoteric, simply because its designed to be useful ;)
< 1221990708 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think u're right bot ;)
< 1221990864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smart bot such a pretty bot
< 1221990870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats
< 1221990881 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol
< 1221990895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Mony
< 1221991342 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi HanDongSeong
< 1221991404 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi HanDongSeong ;)
< 1221991412 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1221991433 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you
< 1221991463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there are any heads with an equal or lower value than the card being placed, it must be placed on one of them. ||| If the player cannot place a card normally (that is, if there are no heads with a value greater than or equal to the value of the card)
< 1221991472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm misunderstanding something here
< 1221991479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: explain time
< 1221991490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of space.
< 1221991696 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: am i getting this right, the first part of hydra is effectively random, because you don't know whether your actions hinder or help you, because you don't know the cards of anyone
< 1221991697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1221991718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the first deck has been dispersed, it's about remembering your discard pile
< 1221991725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the discard piles of others
< 1221991756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strategically of course, i doubt it's anything but a game of luck played with humans
< 1221991810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: how come you're not responding to my highlights? if you're asleep just wake up sheesh...
< 1221991831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sun is up there, even though you may not see it from where you're at.
< 1221991860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but saying "it's night where i live!" is like saying "i gotta go to sleep because my curtains are closed"
< 1221991866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it simply makes no sense
< 1221991872 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, just open the drapes
< 1221991874 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :move to finland
< 1221991881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1221991912 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's coffee time, i'm not imaginative enough for monologues anymore
< 1221991933 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall the times of glory when i'd just fill pages and pages of random content from the backside of my brain
< 1221991941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fun, fun time they were, indeed yes
< 1221991950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now coffee ->
< 1221991955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*time
< 1221991957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a typo.
< 1221992022 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*times
< 1221992037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that was too :-)
< 1221992041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now really coffee ->
< 1221992077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi HanDongSeong
< 1221992085 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffee powa
< 1221992103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffee makes it all seem worthwhile
< 1221992130 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it took some *time* to say that, man
< 1221992130 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hate coffee, I prefer milk)
< 1221992267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HanDongSeong: well at first i was not going to hi you, because i didn't hi Mony either just before that until he hied me first. and i've seen him more times than you so it wouldn't have been fair
< 1221992288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but than i realized your nick is effing awesome
< 1221992306 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Korean
< 1221992322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's awesome because it may actually not be nonsense
< 1221992358 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what does it mean to you?
< 1221992359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean?
< 1221992364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err nothing
< 1221992390 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why do you think it's f-ing awesome
< 1221992401 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"han" is swedish for "he", "dong" is a cock, "seong" could be a typoed sone; i think this means "he sings about cocks"
< 1221992406 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you never know
< 1221992411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*typoed song
< 1221992417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntactically
< 1221992419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1221992527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HanDongSeong: what does it mean? :)
< 1221992547 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if i was right, i'm going to take that awesomeness comment back, and also retract my hi
< 1221992568 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... so a lot of people are telling me that dong means cock in their languages...
< 1221992579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means cock in english.
< 1221992588 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case of my name, Dong is supposed to mean a "pillar"
< 1221992607 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he sings about cocks" <-- lol
< 1221992629 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in Korean, metaphorically it means something forming basis of another thing
< 1221992647 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221992656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strikes as a chinese ding-dong-wiggly-wong word to me. the penis interpretation was only after i separated to capitalized words and tried to find similar ones in random languages i know.
< 1221992732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many far-eastern words are finnish onomatopoeia for sounds of bells
< 1221992752 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seong used in my name means "to form" or "to constitute"
< 1221992769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for english ones; i guess this is why they stuff like dong sound funny to me, and don't immediately sound like cock.
< 1221992779 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we usually have verb after objective in Korean language
< 1221992786 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool
< 1221992801 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a stack-based language?
< 1221992809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have lambdas?!?
< 1221992817 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god i wanna learn korean
< 1221992826 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it... i guess so? :)
< 1221992831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1221992842 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's RPN
< 1221992851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty wack.
< 1221992854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want
< 1221992860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about with longer sentences
< 1221992895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the girl who was given the ice cream said to the old man with the giant beard that she'd never seen such a large reptile before in her life
< 1221992906 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you quickly translate this random sentence and tell me the constituent words
< 1221992909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::---)
< 1221992979 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Han is my surname... it doesn't really mean something
< 1221993017 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm
< 1221993018 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1221993058 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want me to use IPAs?
< 1221993127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a sec
< 1221993146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mother called.
< 1221993283 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the translated sentence will be: "아이스크림을 받아든 소녀는 수염이 어마어마한 그 노인에게 그런 커다란 파충류는 난생 처음 본다고 말했다."
< 1221993291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how that's pretty
< 1221993292 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but obviously you can't read it
< 1221993294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wow
< 1221993298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not
< 1221993535 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first word is ice-cream-eul, where eul (pronounced [ɨl]) is a 'postposition' to mark an objective. ice cream is just ice cream in korean, it's a borrowed word
< 1221993566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures
< 1221993861 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second one... pronounced [padadɨn], originally a verb '받아들다' meaning 'to take and hold', and here modified as a 'pre-noun'. you can regard it as an adjective
< 1221993884 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1221993887 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loldong
< 1221993908 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which
< 1221993917 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'rodong' means labor in korean
< 1221993952 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So, how much do you love noodles?"
< 1221993956 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the name of governing party of North Korea, Joseon Rodongdang
< 1221994019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rodongdang sounds a bit belly too, "dong dang" is definitely something a bell would say.
< 1221994038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, enough with the belittling your language, do continue with the example
< 1221994039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1221994086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's "ro"?
< 1221994137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means "all" in lojban, i'm sure there's a connection
< 1221994170 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like western ones, korean is a syllable-oriented language
< 1221994204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what that means
< 1221994222 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means one syllable has very many meanings, and it's meaning can only be told when it is composed with other syllables
< 1221994310 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given only 'dong', you can't tell anything, since it really can be a lot of things
< 1221994310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right
< 1221994313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like japan?
< 1221994364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in japanese dictionaries they usually list the things a syllable *doesn't* mean
< 1221994368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kidding it's true.
< 1221994392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm *japanese
< 1221994406 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :em.. in japanese, you usually need two or more syllables to express one morpheme
< 1221994423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be
< 1221994426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know japanese
< 1221994429 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a morpheme with only one syllable is quite rare in japanese
< 1221994447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've just read part of this kanji book, and for instance KO is listed for about 50 words
< 1221994455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means everything
< 1221994458 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however in korean a morpheme is often one syllable
< 1221994476 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the point
< 1221994502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the point of syllable-orientation or the point of why japanese doesn't have unisyllable morphemes?
< 1221994533 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually these two languages are very very similar... because of the colonization, which happened just about 60 years ago
< 1221994545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see i see
< 1221994568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought korean was substantially... weirder :)
< 1221994569 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is in japanese they tend to have more syllables
< 1221994579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in sounded more foreign to western ppl
< 1221994608 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of irregularity, korean is weirder, yeah
< 1221994634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway either break down the example or ask for a smaller one, i wanna see how stacky it is :P
< 1221994668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the crocodile without teeth did not enjoy his tea
< 1221994691 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mentioned ko in japanese, and almost same thing applies to dong in korean
< 1221994715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this, of course, happens right after the first scene with the girl, little girls are the tea of crocodiles)
< 1221994770 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1221994797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: btw don't read this, i don't want to hear how wrong i am about the few things i said about japanese.
< 1221994804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: wat wat?
< 1221994839 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"little girls are the tea of crocodiles"
< 1221994889 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dong can refer to....  east, movement, child, bronze, winter, freezing, pillar, the pupil of the eye, ...
< 1221994892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, girl sees crocodile, crocodile eats girl, doesn't like his tea, is killed by man with beard, who then eats the ice cream and leaves the little girl crying (it was her ice cream after all)
< 1221994931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HanDongSeong: well all those words mean "cock" in english, so i guess it's kinda reverse syllable-oriented.
< 1221994958 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Korea is full of dong
< 1221994964 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1221994965 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so, like, then i totally Froze her with with my Bronze Child"
< 1221994980 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hawt
< 1221994984 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dong is one kind of administrative district in South Korea.
< 1221994986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wow, you really Wintered her with your Movement?"
< 1221994991 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why S Korea is full of dong.
< 1221995009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yeah, totally Pillared the Pupil of Her Eye"
< 1221995022 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop
< 1221995047 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, just demonstrating english to you.
< 1221995065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1221995068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the urbandictionary dialect
< 1221995107 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol
< 1221995110 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bro grab!
< 1221995128 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean?
< 1221995145 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to the urbandictionary
< 1221995167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is it a synonym for East?
< 1221995192 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then, i'll give you a totally uncockifiable meaning of dong. Dong sometimes means a paulownia tree!
< 1221995223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1221995228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever seen a tree?
< 1221995238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a recursive cock, man
< 1221995247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an effing cock fractal
< 1221995259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, i'm not sure what paulownia is
< 1221995282 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can east mean cock
< 1221995305 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EAST SIDE RULES!
< 1221995342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HanDongSeong: on this channel people whose nicks start with an "o" are generally joking 24/7
< 1221995369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, optbot?
< 1221995370 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: or related to the instruments and the arrangement.
< 1221995373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1221995378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy cracks me up
< 1221995407 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what i wanted to see was you desperately trying to connect them but okay..
< 1221995418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, good
< 1221995432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit sad when people think my trolling is real
< 1221995443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try.
< 1221995512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay, one of the stereotypes of eastern ppl is that they're small; i'm sure this is enough for calling your little man the eastern dude, which could abbreviate to "east"
< 1221995541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for now on my penis will be called the eastern dude, i don't care how racist that is.
< 1221995545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1221995546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from
< 1221995577 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The eastern Pauloma Tree
< 1221995582 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paulownia
< 1221995586 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also south absolutely means cock already, as the cock is in the south
< 1221995589 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The eastern tree
< 1221995592 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but once it's erected
< 1221995594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's east.
< 1221995605 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your cock is twisted oklopol
< 1221995609 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me straighten it up
< 1221995610 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1221995620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually quite common to have your penis twist a bit to the left.
< 1221995653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, i don't need you to reassure or counterexample that.
< 1221995678 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let mejust get the scanner
< 1221995697 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll show you a man's pupil of the eye
< 1221995739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll promise to look if you make a fractal out of it.
< 1221995755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HanDongSeong: btw did you come here for esolangs?
< 1221995768 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fractal requires an infinite number of iterations
< 1221995774 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have that much time
< 1221995778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time it's just jokes, sex and befunge.
< 1221995801 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's mister dong by the way?
< 1221995809 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your esolang, mister dong
< 1221995857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: shoudn't you physicists be excellent at analysis? infinite is nothing if you have infinite nothings-on-average
< 1221995885 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dong is not nothing, though
< 1221995912 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, i proposed the idea of udage
< 1221995918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1221995922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard of that
< 1221995923 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :udage?
< 1221995941 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Udage
< 1221995941 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Udage
< 1221995957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Udage
< 1221995964 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the memory called udage?
< 1221995981 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2, RTFA! :)
< 1221996005 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's long and full of stuff I don't understand :(
< 1221996005 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the links are all broken, though
< 1221996013 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer science ended in the 60's for me
< 1221996020 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's all theoretical shit
< 1221996027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tape is a linear memory space with unbounded cells, each containing a bit value, 0 or 1. <<< unbounded number of?
< 1221996034 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1221996045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because an unbounded bit is actually not that unbounded :P
< 1221996056 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means your 1 can be as big as you want
< 1221996057 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my English was (and is, maybe) really horrible back then
< 1221996061 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example :
< 1221996065 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/|
< 1221996067 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |
< 1221996067 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |
< 1221996070 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__
< 1221996106 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2, the idea is simple. it is "pattern-based." the code AAAABA and BBBBAB means the same thing.
< 1221996117 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kay
< 1221996135 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enabling to compose an esoteric song
< 1221996136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HanDongSeong: that actually sounds remotely interesting
< 1221996138 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the door part
< 1221996156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'd have to click on the link to get more details :<
< 1221996172 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for that
< 1221996178 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gs30ng.exca.net/udage/specification
< 1221996186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which button do i press now :-)
< 1221996198 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=lsvfhW857PA
< 1221996203 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the free hosting service i used was blown off
< 1221996211 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Doosan Daewoo"
< 1221996213 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1221996250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably the most famous girl on the tube.
< 1221996269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rate spam pages for google, i call her spam girl
< 1221996343 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Glypho could be easier to understand
< 1221996404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the symbol-independence is quite a simple concept, i was more interested in the doors
< 1221996419 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... nothing
< 1221996422 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I hope so. I don't have a korean keyboard!
< 1221996430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the doors are nothing?
< 1221996438 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think about the pointer of bf
< 1221996442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1221996468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1221996483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were doors to the *code*
< 1221996486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glypho, hm, what input encoding is used?
< 1221996490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang.
< 1221996492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a symbol = a byte
< 1221996494 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dong
< 1221996517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it an unicode codepoint (after parsing the utf8=
< 1221996521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/)/
< 1221996571 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1221996594 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think one symbol should be one unicode character (like Udage does), but it's up to the author, and he's not here anymore
< 1221996624 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-30-147.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1221996630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well
< 1221996631 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1221996634 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was here while i was working on Udage, and was inspired by it
< 1221996681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HanDongSeong, does Udage use utf8 or ascii?
< 1221996728 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, you mean the code?
< 1221996811 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf8 is recommended, although ascii characters (not even all of them) are enough to write programs
< 1221996863 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the minimal amount of char you can use?
< 1221996890 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's an interesting topic
< 1221996908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HanDongSeong, point is you need to know the charset used for the source file
< 1221996910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider:
< 1221996913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :åååö
< 1221996927 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got it
< 1221996928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that is the glypho
< 1221996930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not udage
< 1221996934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks udage syntax
< 1221996947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AABC == ÅÅÄÖ
< 1221996949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1221996951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the udage
< 1221996952 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, no, that's enough, i got your point
< 1221996978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except if the interpreter used char * it wouldn't work
< 1221996983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would read bytes
< 1221996987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fine for ascii
< 1221996992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not for utf8
< 1221996999 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Udage is meant to enable non-text source codes, like a MIDI music to be a source code
< 1221997006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hm
< 1221997034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sonata of Hello World :D
< 1221997049 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like one note is one symbol
< 1221997063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minuet of Eratosthenes!
< 1221997084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or...
< 1221997085 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 bottles of beer on the wall for 99 bottles of beer on the wall
< 1221997093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 99 bootles of beer symphony
< 1221997098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err spelling
< 1221997101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I was too slow
< 1221997105 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1221997111 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a PNG image to be a source code. (GregorR was thinking of a good name for 2-dimensional Udage)
< 1221997123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twodage
< 1221997125 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that Udage is pattern-based, symbol-independent
< 1221997129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bidage
< 1221997134 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dongdage
< 1221997136 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how all these things are possible
< 1221997143 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dong means "picture" too, no?
< 1221997147 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it means everything
< 1221997153 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Udong
< 1221997160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HanDongSeong, ah! The program: Mona World
< 1221997162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1221997169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :image case
< 1221997176 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can only say that the implementation is recommended to assume that the code is utf8, but basically it's up to the implementation
< 1221997186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HanDongSeong, as for two dimensional udage that is easy
< 1221997189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bedage
< 1221997192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from befunge
< 1221997201 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ufunge
< 1221997213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, no, that could be trefunge or unefunge based
< 1221997219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact closer to unefunge
< 1221997222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the u
< 1221997226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one dimensional
< 1221997252 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO NOT JUDGE A LANGUAGE DIMENSION BY ITS NAME
< 1221997262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HanDongSeong, lets use EBCDIC!
< 1221997330 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main idea of Udage code is repeatation
< 1221997342 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Glypho, you can say it is indeed pattern-based
< 1221997350 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra Befungesque Colored Dong Incredibly Complete?
< 1221997376 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just group the code, 4 chars in each group
< 1221997411 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i actually had in mind before proposing the idea of udage in public
< 1221997497 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason i didn't finally take it is that "all the songs of udage will likely be quadruple-timed"
< 1221997560 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no waltz possible, how sad
< 1221997603 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1221997617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HanDongSeong: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Eodermdrome for interesting usage of pattern-based syntax
< 1221997653 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that  i would prefer only 3 chars in each group
< 1221997870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a new thread to be born every cycle, and i want every thread to have a portal to some other thread
< 1221997880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the threads form a graph that's constantly growing
< 1221997895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every node is a thread with its own small set of rules for movement
< 1221998088 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lost interest in udage since 2006, because one morning i got a far greater esolang idea than it
< 1221998163 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was all excited, passionate and obssessed by thinking i should write down the spec of this and the implementation in a week, and then ... i've been busy.
< 1221998171 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1221998175 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the feeling.
< 1221998192 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus right know, it's school months
< 1221998200 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't have that much time
< 1221998268 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have no idea how to implement my last language D:
< 1221999201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1221999366 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/RyanEstrada.jpg
< 1222000698 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.68.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222001147 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Korean_dance-Bukcheong_Saja_Noreum-01.jpg
< 1222001157 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Korea often invaded by furry monsters?
< 1222001225 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222001364 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg furries!
< 1222001644 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bukcheong lion dance!
< 1222001652 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love it
< 1222001665 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, once upon a time, yeah
< 1222001735 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing they were all killed during WWII then
< 1222001736 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something
< 1222001758 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there weren't lions
< 1222001767 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HanDongSeong: so wait, was it furries or furry monsters
< 1222001771 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former is more terrifying
< 1222001786 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those lions in that traditional play are all imaginary
< 1222001818 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence there appearance, having no resemblance with real lions
< 1222001830 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why are they called lions
< 1222001842 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's like this:
< 1222001871 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<China> hey, you know what? there are some weird creatures called lions in far west
< 1222001878 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Korea> cool. what do they look like?
< 1222001911 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222001916 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<China> i dunno lol
< 1222001934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<China> ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1222001940 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222001978 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my explanation is a little bit simplified but basically true
< 1222002003 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I don't think China would use memes while talking to Korea.
< 1222002018 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so these korean people made their own image of lion
< 1222002052 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and used it as a theatrical device
< 1222002094 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1222002106 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't China had lion statues that were more lion-like than that?
< 1222002110 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is this even older
< 1222002128 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the idea of Korea knowing that lions exist but not what they look like
< 1222002137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Korea sees an elephant for the first time
< 1222002143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Korea> JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION GET IN THE CAR
< 1222002147 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222002161 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's elephants in Asia
< 1222002167 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess they already know
< 1222002172 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elephants are kind of like finland
< 1222002182 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they?
< 1222002188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222002196 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... When Russia fights elephants, Russia loses?
< 1222002204 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually elephants were imported here, about 600 years ago.
< 1222002206 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And elephants have 2 people
< 1222002215 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 of which are in this channel
< 1222002224 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that at least India has elephants
< 1222002234 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And India isn't as far as Africa.
< 1222002263 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, true. they were imported from india.
< 1222002301 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europe only gets shitty life importation.
< 1222002302 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as buddhism was imported from india to korea about a couple of thousand years ago
< 1222002314 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like tomatoes and potatoes
< 1222002332 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's when the existence of 'lion' was known in korea
< 1222002383 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<India> hey, you know what? there are some weird creatures called buddhas
< 1222002383 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Korea> cool. what do they look like?
< 1222002408 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that how Dragons were created?
< 1222002417 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed representations of Buddha
< 1222002443 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dragons have been around in mythology longer than 600 years
< 1222002444 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222002470 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddhism is currently one of the major three religions of S Korea
< 1222002490 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other is COMMUNISM
< 1222002493 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1222002516 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there are 3 major religions in S Korea: Buddhism and communism
< 1222002524 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No communism in Korea... although there's Jucheism in N Korea
< 1222002531 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jucheism?
< 1222002540 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche
< 1222002559 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the official ideology of N Korea
< 1222002563 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't do magic tricks with nuclear arms
< 1222002571 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rubbish. S Korea has 3 religions and they are buddhism and communism
< 1222002572 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is really like religion
< 1222002572 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's science :D
< 1222002584 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE!
< 1222002609 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titoism <- that name sounds way better
< 1222002630 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fyi, they are Confucianism, Buddhism, and Christianism
< 1222002656 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it "christianity"? :P
< 1222002661 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1222002663 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Christianism sounds funnier :D
< 1222002695 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly there are also many atheists here
< 1222002711 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, because of COMMUNISM
< 1222002716 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because the first two religions doesn't imply the existence of god
< 1222002716 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any joos? :o
< 1222002732 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: The only conclusion that Confucianism, Christianity, Judaism and Atheism
< 1222002736 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are all facades for communism.
< 1222002739 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1222002777 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... i gotta go.
< 1222002779 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya
< 1222002783 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye.
< 1222002796 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"자러"
< 1222002805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think he liked our communism theories
< 1222002823 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we scared him with our stupidity
< 1222002890 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible.
< 1222004023 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.collisiondetection.net/mt/archives/2006/06/the_gillette_si.php The number of blades on razors will be the cause of singularity.
< 1222004134 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it will plateau
< 1222006497 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Avogadro_Amedeo.jpg
< 1222006504 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avogadro is an ugly little man
< 1222007802 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222008221 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1222008644 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are christians statistically happier than atheists?
< 1222008686 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :substitute some other religion for christianity if you wish
< 1222008716 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't have gay sex or kill babies
< 1222008719 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'd guess no.
< 1222008796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if ( doesn't push correctly mycology still tries to unload using the value it pushed, this behaviour doesn't match what the comment on line 214-217 in mycology.b98 say
< 1222008812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it end up in an infinite loop on line 217 instead
< 1222008840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bouncing between the ) at )g22g33 and ,a$_,#! #:<
< 1222008987 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does ( push
< 1222009015 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it print the "BAD: ( did not push correct fingerprint"?
< 1222009033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ( pushed nothing
< 1222009037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the issue
< 1222009041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no it never printed that
< 1222009084 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's odd
< 1222009085 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an atheist but i'm pretty happy
< 1222009091 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, there's also a misalignment there
< 1222009106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again i don't really think of myself as having an actual present disbelief of a god rather than just a lack of belief
< 1222009171 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so can you give me a trace/something of what happens after the ( at (118,210) ?
< 1222009269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will try
< 1222009276 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's obvious people with brain are happy, intelligence knows what it likes; i'm wondering about the majority of people
< 1222009285 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brains
< 1222009287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, once it compiles again I will emulate old behaviour again and test it.
< 1222009288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People with brain are happy
< 1222009293 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They need to do way instain mother>
< 1222009321 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"way instain mother>"?
< 1222009359 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=instain
< 1222009393 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who kill thier babbys. because these babby cant frigth back?
< 1222009407 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "do way instain mother"
< 1222009416 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed the do, might've been able to parse that
< 1222009440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, just got it to work so will commit, push, then check old behaviour
< 1222009442 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf btw
< 1222009495 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old
< 1222009571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://pastebin.ca/1207418
< 1222009613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what happened was that it 1) loaded the fingerprint but 2) *did not* push the fingerprint or the 1
< 1222009646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be easy to simulate that in ccbi by just commenting out a few lines
< 1222010103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, bbl, have guests.
< 1222010110 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222010318 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222011002 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"
< 1222011378 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: yes very old
< 1222011381 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he was confused
< 1222011385 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, so the cause was the misalignment I mentioned
< 1222011423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok, you have fixed it?
< 1222011435 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's rather trivial
< 1222011440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :)
< 1222011440 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't uploaded
< 1222011451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, fine since I already have working NULL and ROMA here
< 1222011454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROMA was fun
< 1222011463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it the lazy functional way
< 1222011467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make_pusher(Amount) ->
< 1222011468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	fun(IP, Stack, _Space) ->
< 1222011468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		{IP, fstackstack:push(Stack, Amount)}
< 1222011468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	end.
< 1222011479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first class functions rock :)
< 1222011494 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forsooth
< 1222011500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forsooth?
< 1222011509 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1222011514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles define:
< 1222011529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an archaic word originally meaning `in truth' but now usually used to express disbelief "
< 1222011540 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o
< 1222011556 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORSOOTH!
< 1222011559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=forsooth
< 1222011560 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen or heard it used to express disbelief
< 1222011573 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define disbelief
< 1222011580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Aforsooth
< 1222011606 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and?
< 1222011609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222011611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they disagree
< 1222011623 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently princeton does, yes
< 1222011644 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiktionary doesn't think so
< 1222011677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Yes I mean that the two hits disagree with each other
< 1222011686 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1222011702 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<wiktionary> forsooth
< 1222011704 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222011787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, though higher order functions aren't really needed to generate ROMA. In cfunge I use:
< 1222011787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define ROMAPUSH(x, y) \
< 1222011788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	static void FingerROMApush ## x (instructionPointer * ip) { \
< 1222011788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		StackPush(ip->stack, (fungeCell)y); \
< 1222011788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	}
< 1222011796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: o rly
< 1222011799 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never have guessed
< 1222011805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they aren't require
< 1222011806 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1222011824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I mean required in order to generate in a simple way
< 1222011827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1222011834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you care?
< 1222011847 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean why do i care, am i suddenly not allowed to talk in here about what i want to talk about?
< 1222011895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, of course you are allowed, but since you seem to not care at all about cfunge normally...
< 1222011924 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't talking about cfunge
< 1222012088 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | heh
< 1222012492 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhhhhhhh
< 1222012493 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a collaborative language. If you're reading this, nobody collaborated yet. Oops. (This should be gone in 5 minutes when we actually think of something.)
< 1222012580 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I uploaded the fixed Mycology in case you're interested
< 1222012734 0 :ihope!n=Peggy@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222012897 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Won't be back for a while..."
< 1222013038 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222013057 0 :Slereah2!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-30-147.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222013599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: yes
< 1222013605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will collaborate on it eventually
< 1222013611 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1222013625 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: what is the problem
< 1222013650 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds fun but it's not made yet
< 1222013660 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct
< 1222013790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: the name is a knuth quote, btw
< 1222013847 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it is now?
< 1222013856 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's attributed I think
< 1222013859 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1222013861 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it might verily be!
< 1222013933 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he's right, though
< 1222013940 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language with a lame name won't do.
< 1222013944 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1222013951 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D is unpopular beacuse its impossible to google
< 1222013979 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also The Who.
< 1222013994 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes/
< 1222014152 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222014156 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what do you guys think of conveyor
< 1222014170 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good name!
< 1222014181 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes me think of "Rube on a conveyor belt"
< 1222014184 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah no I mean the language
< 1222014202 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Conveyor
< 1222014224 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno.
< 1222014244 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all commands are four characters with no arguments
< 1222014244 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of have to do that solid state physic homework, so I can't really read that.
< 1222014425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, there?
< 1222014431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: a04-M doesn't push -2
< 1222014434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in MODU
< 1222014458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wouldn't it be a good idea to make it say: "BAD: a04-M doesn't push -2 (it pushed XXX instead)"
< 1222014460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such
< 1222014477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly you could run it separately
< 1222014481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that isn't the point
< 1222014518 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-085-016-239-200.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222014604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah fixed the issue
< 1222014607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: 0a-04-R pushes -2
< 1222014607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: 0a-04-U pushes 2
< 1222014630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why is there a blank line between those in mycology output? IRC eats it up
< 1222015174 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there shouldn't be
< 1222015177 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And I invented doors, no joke!"
< 1222015189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I can't explain it
< 1222015206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah I found it
< 1222015208 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a bug in your interpreter
< 1222015213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes I found it
< 1222015226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was pushing on the wrong stack
< 1222015238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean: erlang have single assignment
< 1222015255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	{S2, Y} = pop(Stack),
< 1222015255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	{S3, X} = pop(S2),
< 1222015265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I pushed the result on S2 and returned that by mistake
< 1222015374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I have ROMA NULL and MODU now :)
< 1222015428 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222015509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw what do you think about "extra" environment variables in y? Basically it seems that Erlang defines some custom ones in it's *own* wrapper script
< 1222015528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also modifies PATH
< 1222015655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, like this: http://rafb.net/p/V82BuQ74.html
< 1222015661 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you've already defined efunge as running on the "Erlang OS", do whatever you wish...
< 1222015703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well erlang is kind of closed world, not as much as that squeak tusho mentioned, but certainly to a high degree :)
< 1222015721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some of these I can't "fix"
< 1222015751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh and erl won't run without HOME or PATH set, that is why they are defined on the command line)
< 1222015796 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222015811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, one thing: I will clearly document these issues.
< 1222015864 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pippi Longstocking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORM5kKGdaxA
< 1222015893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughs at the name
< 1222015914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh even funnier name in the youtube video
< 1222015935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess they had to translate from the original Swedish name (Pipi Longstrump)
< 1222015938 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Pippi Långstrump is the original
< 1222015942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :å*
< 1222015946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh?
< 1222015956 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite sure
< 1222015967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, as far as I know it was written by a Swedish author
< 1222015975 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, astrid lindgren
< 1222015989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. why wouldn't Pippi Långstrump be the original then?
< 1222016000 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-09-21 18:52:18 ( Deewiant) AnMaster: Pippi Långstrump is the original
< 1222016004 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did I say it wasn't ;-P
< 1222016006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh sorry
< 1222016009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread as isn't
< 1222016020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah I saw my typo
< 1222016025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should indeed be å
< 1222016080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbbl
< 1222016082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl*
< 1222017609 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222019801 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-148-172.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222019839 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm back :)
< 1222020039 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222020267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's Japanese sucks balls.
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< 1222020839 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be lucky to have a japanese like that
< 1222021110 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222021393 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Welcome back to Agora.
< 1222021907 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222022039 0 :kar8ng1!n=kar8nga@151.60.135.166 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222022039 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222022173 0 :kar8ng1!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222023738 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222024160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw I think you said my .spec system to generate fingerprint list (and skeletons for fingerprint C files) in cfunge "looked unnecessary complex" or something like that?
< 1222024185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I'm now glad I did it, was easy to modify the scripts to output erlang instead :)
< 1222024292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than 2/3rd of the script code is shared
< 1222024446 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you could have just used sed on the non-unneccessarily-complex code
< 1222024488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm? You mean sed the output C file to produce an erlang file?
< 1222024495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, possible but actually harder
< 1222024509 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, I mean without the overly complex .spec system.
< 1222024515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just do it in a simple way, then to get the erlang, use sed.
< 1222024521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it isn't really that complex
< 1222024549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just defines some metadata (description, url) of the fingerprint + what instructions it implements
< 1222024583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: W00ts.
< 1222024611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :)
< 1222024882 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored. How will the channel react if I say
< 1222024883 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX
< 1222024920 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILL THE WITCH
< 1222024922 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIIIIITCH\
< 1222024929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH
< 1222025035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BURN HER!
< 1222025126 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1222025835 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222026098 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what i just ost
< 1222026100 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lost
< 1222026102 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE GAME
< 1222026123 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty a lot, tusho
< 1222026129 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refers to xkcd for the cure
< 1222026141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invalid
< 1222026145 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game does not specify that you can win
< 1222026148 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that you can lose
< 1222026153 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that xkcd comic actually makes you lose
< 1222026155 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you think about it.
< 1222026159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what game?
< 1222026165 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The Game.
< 1222026186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I'm afraid that means nothing to me. I even checked the last xkcd before asking in order to be sure
< 1222026187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm don't think, therefore, i don't lose.
< 1222026203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1222026205 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i don't
< 1222026206 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1. You are playing the game. 2. Every time you think about The Game you lose the game. 3. Loss must be announced.
< 1222026207 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, if you think about the game, you lose the game, and you have to announce that you lost.
< 1222026225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm who made that game up?
< 1222026229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Who knows?
< 1222026231 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has been around since forever.
< 1222026239 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A wildly successful cultural meme.
< 1222026243 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not internet-originated.)
< 1222026261 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, I maintain, approximately the stupidest thing ever.
< 1222026273 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_(mind_game)
< 1222026291 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: stupid or not, you're playing it
< 1222026297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I was just thinking about saying that it was stupid yes
< 1222026323 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, I ignore the rules
< 1222026331 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: impossible
< 1222026334 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are playing.
< 1222026543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, also what xkcd comic in specific did you mean?
< 1222026551 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it said 'You have just WON the game!'
< 1222026556 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't work for obvious reasons
< 1222026563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well *what* one
< 1222026567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the last one certainly
< 1222026567 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: look in the archives, jeez
< 1222026633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I have no intention to check them all, will check ones with names containing "game" and/or "won"
< 1222026638 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do i.
< 1222026641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't ask me to.
< 1222026663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non related of those
< 1222026664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222026665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you don't remember the url of every comic you've read? are you retarded or something?
< 1222026673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I didn't suggest that
< 1222026680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought maybe he remembered the name
< 1222026683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can happen
< 1222026693 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xkcd.com/391/
< 1222026697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't complain that he *didn't* remember it
< 1222026702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222026724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, like Deewiant, I'm *not* playing
< 1222026725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :period
< 1222026747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: this is not about what you complained, this is about what tusho didn't remember
< 1222026760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm being serious here, it's not healty to forget a number.
< 1222026764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*healthy
< 1222026779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I don't think remembering numbers is that important, I myself have a bad memory for such things
< 1222026842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i on a channel full of apes or something? that's just scary, AnMaster.
< 1222026875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure the basic constants I remember and such (pi ~ 3.14159, e ~ 2.7183)
< 1222026878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few more
< 1222026898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember the whole pi
< 1222026901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phi ~ 1.618
< 1222026904 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of it?
< 1222026908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222026912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, impossible
< 1222026913 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the last digit
< 1222026914 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol at oklopol
< 1222026917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, then what is the last digit
< 1222026921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, damn you beat me to it
< 1222026940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: wait a mo, i remember them sequentially
< 1222026944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1222026959 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is at digit no. 2^7324 now
< 1222026967 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, get back to me then
< 1222026969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :single linked list obviously
< 1222026978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, how many digits are there?
< 1222026983 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you at least tell us what digit 2^7324 is?
< 1222026990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes please
< 1222026996 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not anymore, he's past that
< 1222026996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell us 2^7324
< 1222027001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222027002 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd have to start over to get there again
< 1222027004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's about infinite, i haven't counted the exact number
< 1222027009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be like a hundred off infinity
< 1222027015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1222027021 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give or take
< 1222027037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right right.
< 1222027067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no way to get from 0 to infinite by counting. That is like one of the defining properties of infinity
< 1222027068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1222027088 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, but it's a hundred off
< 1222027108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess it can't be exactly infinity then
< 1222027124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm sure it's not more than a thousand less at least
< 1222027142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work either...
< 1222027153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean?
< 1222027164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite - any finite number = infinite
< 1222027196 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: stop treating oklopol like a retard
< 1222027199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he knows that
< 1222027200 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe you, prove it
< 1222027201 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite obviously
< 1222027203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might seem that way because infinity seems like such a bit number to you.
< 1222027205 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone in #esoteric does
< 1222027215 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oklopol is just crazy and likes saying crap, and it is funny.
< 1222027217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Cantor already did, I suggest you read his works on the subject
< 1222027220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, a million minus ten? it's million
< 1222027227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because who cares about ten
< 1222027232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when there's a million
< 1222027238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the same thing
< 1222027239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no no
< 1222027241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all
< 1222027244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1222027249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except infinity is a bit more than a million iirc
< 1222027260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you are all trolling now I'll just ignore this discussion
< 1222027261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember the actual difference now
< 1222027289 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222027297 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I fail to see how this is trolling
< 1222027314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I don't think you are a retard either.
< 1222027342 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think you did
< 1222027353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say it started with trolling, and after that it was pure joking; except that i'm totally serious
< 1222027366 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, you are under arrest for attempted murder of a joke.
< 1222027432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaanyway AnMaster i do understand the concept of infinity, i've been reading about it for the past week for an analysis course like 24/7
< 1222027432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1222027466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :......but i think they're just approximating infinity to be that big i'm sure there are *some* numbers that are bigger than it!
< 1222027467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, fun, though maybe not fun if it is 24/7.
< 1222027484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222027498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends on how you define infinity
< 1222027513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 24/7 for a week would be impossible since it's not that thick a book, i've been reading other things as well
< 1222027519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc 10^aleph-0 is larger than aleph-0
< 1222027522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spelling?)
< 1222027527 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not proven
< 1222027549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh possible, I said iirc
< 1222027570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds one to that and laughs in victory!
< 1222027578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah
< 1222027579 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hmm, maybe it is, I'm not sure actually
< 1222027586 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might require the axiom of choice though
< 1222027598 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forgot to read Dudley's Dungeon
< 1222027645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also aren't the set of natural numbers smaller than the set of all rational and irrational numbers (IIRC!!!!)
< 1222027650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222027653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222027655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rational is equal
< 1222027657 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to nats
< 1222027659 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222027671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh was it irrational ones then that wasn't?
< 1222027671 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think you should read a bit more Cantor ;-)
< 1222027677 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true for any numbers you can represent with finite tuples of natural numbers
< 1222027689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, very possible. I have learnt most from other books and or websites
< 1222027702 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does proving reals > nats require the AoC?
< 1222027721 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol?
< 1222027729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oerjan just joined.
< 1222027736 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan?
< 1222027737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all questions should be directed to him
< 1222027739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding all
< 1222027742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allness.
< 1222027759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding math certainly
< 1222027788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, naturals ~~ rationals < reals
< 1222027797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1222027799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reals ~~ irrationals
< 1222027804 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently it does not
< 1222027811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it does
< 1222027821 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure
< 1222027824 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently not
< 1222027829 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i only have an intuitive view to this, really
< 1222027844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_number Aleph-one > Aleph-zero
< 1222027860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving that reals reasonably exist at all requires some piece of AoC
< 1222027865 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with infinities intuition is like eatin butter with your butt, the words suggest you can do it, but it's actually very unpleasant
< 1222027869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eating
< 1222027873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I find it hard, or rather impossible, to understand how "infinite" can come in different sizes
< 1222027877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from there it's plain sailing
< 1222027885 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm, how's that
< 1222027897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about 10^aleph-zero, is it larger than aleph-zero or is it equal?
< 1222027909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :larger
< 1222027918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I thought I read
< 1222027929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's equal to the reals
< 1222027953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what about 10^10^aleph-zero
< 1222027960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :larger still
< 1222027963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the intuitive proof, 10^aleph-zero is greater than any polynomial, so you can't make the numbers out of finite tuples
< 1222027987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cantor's proof shows that 10^x, or 2^x > x for any cardinality without exception
< 1222028003 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the diagonal one)
< 1222028007 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all b > 1: b ^ An = A(n+1) ?
< 1222028010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm
< 1222028014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no
< 1222028025 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming the CH, yes?
< 1222028028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cool
< 1222028042 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did that only hold for n = 0
< 1222028046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the _generalized_ continuum hypothesis says that for b = 2
< 1222028046 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1222028056 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and n = 0, or all n?
< 1222028067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite n
< 1222028071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for all b >= 2: b ^ An = A(n+1) ?
< 1222028072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait
< 1222028075 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah
< 1222028078 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generalized, for all n
< 1222028078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is aleph presumably
< 1222028082 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222028084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any n
< 1222028086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not ackerman
< 1222028086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n
< 1222028101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CH is for n = 0, GCH is for all n
< 1222028137 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1222028145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no!  you could have b > A(n+1) so that's obviously false
< 1222028180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b = 2, basically, but any finite b >= 2 should also work
< 1222028196 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222028206 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:15:35 oerjan: oklopol: no! you could have b > A(n+1) so that's obviously false <<< you mathematicians are such cheaters
< 1222028225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222028233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, cheaters how?
< 1222028279 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to explain what i meant, ignore it.
< 1222028291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1222028294 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just trying to be a weird joke.
< 1222028305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird sure.
< 1222028311 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-30-147.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222028362 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Slereah2
< 1222028367 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1222028375 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not Slereah2! you're an imposter
< 1222028384 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leaves suddenly
< 1222028384 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222028447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there are lots of cardinalities such that x^(A_0) = x
< 1222028529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about aleph-0 ^ aleph-0
< 1222028531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222028541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the reals too iirc
< 1222028555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reals = beth-1)
< 1222028579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beth-0 = aleph-0, beth-(n+1) = 2^(beth-n), by definition
< 1222028580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that's just odd. since you said 10^10^aleph-0 > 10^aleph-0 and 10^aleph-0 = reals
< 1222028597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indeed intuition doesn't work for this stuff
< 1222028614 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recall that ^ is right associative
< 1222028638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the most useful convention)
< 1222028655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... that explains it
< 1222028682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, wonder why my graph calculator makes it *left associative*
< 1222028708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes no sense
< 1222028719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a very strong convention, since in real math it's done with superscripts
< 1222028725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah true
< 1222028746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but haskell uses it, QED :D
< 1222028759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so... 10^A_0 == A_0 ^ A_0 and 10 < A_0
< 1222028788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION unloads his intuition module
< 1222028867 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly 2^x = A_0 ^ x for any infinite cardinality
< 1222028903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um ok
< 1222028968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah here is one "intuitive" way of seeing it:
< 1222028969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for A_0 ^ A_0)
< 1222028988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recall that any real number can be given as a continued fraction
< 1222028996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1222029011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at each step of a continued fraction you can choose an arbitrary natural number
< 1222029027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so number of reals should be about A_0^A_0
< 1222029045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm makes sense
< 1222029079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now once you have this for x = A_0, larger x may follow with a bit of arithmetic
< 1222029092 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for x >= A_0, x = x * A_0
< 1222029142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um right
< 1222029143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^x = 2^(x*A_0) = (2^A_0)^x
< 1222029187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proves that they are all equal from 2 to 2^A_0 ~~ reals
< 1222029191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. The math makes sense if I ignore what A_0 actually stands for :P
< 1222029207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it is possible to find any given number hm?
< 1222029211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the continued fraction for pi? :D
< 1222029231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can calculate it as long as you want but there is no known pattern
< 1222029237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for e, there is a pattern
< 1222029243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there is?
< 1222029258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme google it
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< 1222029378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e = [2,1,2,1,1,4,1,1,6,...] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/e.html
< 1222029413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e = 2+1/(1+1/(2+1/(... etc.
< 1222029413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222029417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222029444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah I just thought of a way to represent all digits of pi. Quite a lot of cheating but should work
< 1222029451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222029461 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it
< 1222029464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is 1, in base pi
< 1222029465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222029485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean 10
< 1222029492 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :owned :)
< 1222029496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, except the 0 key is sticky
< 1222029497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222029502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strange
< 1222029513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to clean the keyboard
< 1222029522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r k and ä are also sticky
< 1222029575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't see AnMaster typing jla anywhere
< 1222029587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ??
< 1222029601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put some r k and � in that ;)
< 1222029601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why jla
< 1222029623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jäklar?
< 1222029629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1222029766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so called non-simple continued fractions where you don't always use 1 as the numerator.  then there are patterns for pi iirc
< 1222029791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm interesting
< 1222029808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is it known if pi is finite or infinite?
< 1222029826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in digit count I mean
< 1222029828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is transcendental, which is stronger than irrational
< 1222029836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is e
< 1222029880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the solution to any polynomial equation with rationals
< 1222029945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was that proved?
< 1222030021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that pi and e are transcendental
< 1222030034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :complicated
< 1222030050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well
< 1222030105 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindemann-Weierstrass_theorem
< 1222030195 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1222030200 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1222030205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, complicated indeed
< 1222030220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too complicated at this time of the night. Yawn
< 1222030245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure if it will be too complicated when I'm not sleepy as well)
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< 1222033689 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | the language should aim at creating itself
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< 1222033894 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pi has infinite digits, yes
< 1222033976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the fourth digit of pi is infinite
< 1222034173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
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< 1222034403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds the BIG fly swattter
< 1222034425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts with swatting a stray t
< 1222034453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION then swats pikhq, to make him stay in one place
< 1222034514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry.
< 1222034525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222034728 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually my real dream is to it to some of those motorbikes that use to drive around the central city on weekends
< 1222034732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to do it
< 1222034741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats his bad fingers
< 1222034809 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, they are modified to _sound_ like flies, so should be treated like it
< 1222034896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my networking setup has become even *more* bizarre.
< 1222034901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got 3 VLANs going.
< 1222034913 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read that as networking soup
< 1222034935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is bridged to the Internet, one is routed into VPNs, and one is my personal LAN.
< 1222034955 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this somehow seemed rational at the time?
< 1222034962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does.
< 1222034982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though half of it is an excuse to play with VLANs.
< 1222035010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which aren't that hard to set up in Linux, actually.
< 1222035038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Half of your face is an excuse to play with VLANs
< 1222035040 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh burn
< 1222035065 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you burned?  coffee too hot?  hm, coffee...
< 1222035306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slurps loudly
< 1222035372 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do not have coffee right now
< 1222035402 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does, although not top quality
< 1222035478 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am considering coffee in the near future.
< 1222035521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you're british, so maybe it was tea...
< 1222035593 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not in prescence of tea either although i do like tea
< 1222035600 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean... tea is nice...
< 1222035631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is
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< 1222035918 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm
< 1222035922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: should i get some tea or coffee?
< 1222035938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES
< 1222035990 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i hate languages that have || and && returning booleans
< 1222035996 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should return one of their two arguments damnit
< 1222035999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222036013 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION switches oerjan to C
< 1222036015 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: should i get some tea or coffee?
< 1222036027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3
< 1222036122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i don't have any tea (well, less than about 10 years old), you cannot have it either
< 1222036134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interestin
< 1222036134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1222036138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only fair
< 1222036178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly 15 years
< 1222036372 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you prefer coffee or tea
< 1222036409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i drink far more coffee
< 1222036603 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not the question
< 1222036609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1222036736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this coffee is not particularly good...
< 1222036766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with good coffee, it's more even
< 1222036812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it depends how my stomach is feeling
< 1222036929 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll go for tea soon... quite tired and feel like being warmer
< 1222036977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOO! DAMN YOU! LETTING ME SIT HERE WITH MY AWFUL COFFEE
< 1222037058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's put it this way
< 1222037065 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's gonna be far worse coffee out there
< 1222037069 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you HAVE coffeee
< 1222037071 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*coffee
< 1222037074 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that bad, surely
< 1222037113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think just hot water would have been an improvement :D
< 1222037132 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah. yes. likely.
< 1222037136 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1222037137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1222037138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I misread)
< 1222037144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well...
< 1222037148 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's coffee, isn't it?
< 1222037156 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, sure there are different goodnesses
< 1222037158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically, yes
< 1222037162 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not like coffee can be a terrible thing.
< 1222037353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after careful deliberation, i have now poured out the coffee and replaced it with cold water
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< 1222037429 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that must be pretty bad coffee...
< 1222037446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nescafe Gold, actually
< 1222037623 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep it for emergencies.  apparently this wasn't one.
< 1222037635 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4174519.stm
< 1222037667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read it before, i think
< 1222039181 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have decided on tea!
< 1222039184 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think.
< 1222039206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whateve
< 1222039216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if i care
< 1222039276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may the fleas of a thousand camels descend upon your nether regions
< 1222039292 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll send you some tea D:
< 1222039342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
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< 1222042651 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222045207 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1222045341 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, tusho.
< 1222045344 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye, tusho.
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< 1222046306 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222046806 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1222047036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1222049410 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1222053240 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222053977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1222055289 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | *goran*?
< 1222058273 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222059360 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1222059360 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ELIZA not ELIZa
< 1222059364 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1222059364 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | it could be that your terminal shows unknown characters as ?
< 1222065142 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster
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< 1222070399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1222071214 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
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< 1222071736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits cherez with a flyswatter.
< 1222071753 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stay, dammit. I know your Internet connection is stable...
< 1222071759 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sentiment is not appreciated.
< 1222071762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, it's hooked right next to mine.
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< 1222074972 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: damn you, i've highlighted you about both mips and hydra, and you haven't responded, but you have time to play with optbot like 24/7
< 1222074972 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Ello.
< 1222075276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, there?
< 1222075297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, where is "UNDEF: D says 1/0 is inf (NaN or +infinity)" defined to be one of those two values
< 1222075900 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ieee 754 should have an exception for where the result is simply not *perfect*
< 1222075925 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way you could actually use it even if you're doing math
< 1222075963 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying there isn't one, my ieee 754 knowledge is limited to wikipedia, which didn't list the exceptions
< 1222076074 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: IEEE 754 says it's +inf, and practically all floating point arithmetic uses approximately that
< 1222076087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does FPDP say it uses IEEE 754 anywhere?
< 1222076099 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it doesn't
< 1222076116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, issue: Erlang throws an exception at inf or nan
< 1222076121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very very irritating
< 1222076125 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catch it
< 1222076132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, sure I will
< 1222076136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reflect?
< 1222076141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but will mycology handle that?
< 1222076146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why reflect?
< 1222076168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, since I can't know if it was inf or nan that IEEE 754 would have produced?
< 1222076180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1> 1/0.0.
< 1222076181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :** exception error: bad argument in an arithmetic expression
< 1222076181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     in operator  '/'/2
< 1222076181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        called as 1 / 0.0
< 1222076210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a badarg exception
< 1222076212 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can't you do if y == 0 then push whatever else push x/y
< 1222076237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, sure for division, but what about other stuff, you can get inf by multiplying enough
< 1222076238 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, push x/y `catch` if x == 0 push nan else push signbit(x) * inf
< 1222076239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1222076239 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1222076256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222076261 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it throws an exception if you get floating point infinity by multiplication? O_o
< 1222076275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it throws an exception if you get inf or nan
< 1222076280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1222076377 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you do 1e200 * 1e200 what do you get?
< 1222076398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, syntax error. doesn't like that syntx
< 1222076402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks
< 1222076434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah had to make those 1.0e
< 1222076439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4> 1.0e200 * 1.0e200.
< 1222076440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :** exception error: bad argument in an arithmetic expression
< 1222076440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     in operator  */2
< 1222076440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        called as 1.0e200 * 1.0e200
< 1222076455 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1.0e100 * 1.0e100 works?
< 1222076473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6> 1.0e100 * 1.0e100.
< 1222076473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.0e200
< 1222076493 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1222076506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes very strange design choice
< 1222076618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so what would you do?
< 1222076670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could resort to using a linked in driver (a module coded in C that is loaded into erlang) but that seems quite complex.
< 1222076701 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably catch the exceptions and figure it out
< 1222076737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm and I'm unable to find a copy of the IEEE 754 specs (for free at least)
< 1222076810 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need the specs
< 1222076818 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of stuff there that you don't have to care about
< 1222076843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, to know if I should treat it as nan +inf of -inf
< 1222076858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they all generate the same exception
< 1222076873 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0/0 is nan
< 1222076876 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :others aren't
< 1222076884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, n/0 too?
< 1222076889 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222076889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just 0/0?
< 1222076889 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | hello
< 1222076891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222076900 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia has this level of info
< 1222076906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDEF: E says asin(2) is nan (actually complex: NaN) <-- from cfunge output
< 1222076912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1222076930 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about division there
< 1222076935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, true
< 1222076938 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cases like that are easy
< 1222076941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all the other operators
< 1222076948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ can be either +inf or -inf
< 1222076953 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1222076960 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not nan :-P
< 1222076975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't think of some good heuristics for finding out what inf
< 1222076982 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I done told ya
< 1222076988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1222076991 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for division anyway
< 1222076997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes for division I can see
< 1222077003 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inf + n = inf!
< 1222077029 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x + y = -inf if that throws and y < x
< 1222077036 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1222077038 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 0
< 1222077041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1222077056 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if x = -inf and y is like 100
< 1222077060 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222077063 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x can't be -inf
< 1222077070 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it would have thrown previously :-P
< 1222077079 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see i'm missing context yes.
< 1222077094 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although
< 1222077098 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's symmetric, how can there be a constraint on y but not x
< 1222077109 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets not
< 1222077113 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible that you get the bit pattern for -inf pushed on the stack via other means
< 1222077121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah not in efunge no
< 1222077136 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be, why not
< 1222077138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, since they are type tagged tuples
< 1222077139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222077157 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what happens if I do 00A (if A was the floating point addition instruction, can't remember)
< 1222077190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, undefined by FPDP
< 1222077195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will reflect actually
< 1222077221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you know about that C compiler for Lisp machines? NULL not 0x0 for example and so on
< 1222077230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think efunge is something like that but for befunge :P
< 1222077249 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NULL == 0x0 in C
< 1222077259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, implementation defined
< 1222077263 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether the machine null pointer has value 0 or not is
< 1222077272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 0x0 is used in pointer context however it is indeed true
< 1222077280 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the implementation should always convert it
< 1222077288 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like it is guaranteed that '1' == '0' + 1
< 1222077296 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the charset might be different
< 1222077302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, depends on if you do int i = 0; char * = (char*)i;
< 1222077302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then no
< 1222077320 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might actually still work
< 1222077326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222077329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char *foo
< 1222077330 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but char* x = *(char**)&i; won't
< 1222077361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh and g/p will handle the tuples correctly. And any instructions like normal +-*/% will pop a dummy value instead
< 1222077386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is undefined what they will do on floating point values in FPDP
< 1222077388 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's somewhat annoying
< 1222077404 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oh well
< 1222077412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh? using normal + on two floating point numbers in befunge make no sense
< 1222077426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you use unions to store them
< 1222077455 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, hmm
< 1222077455 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1222077458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything that doesn't care if it is an int or not, use pop(), anything that needs an int use pop_int
< 1222077462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means g and p will work
< 1222077465 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have to p a floating point before g works?
< 1222077475 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you do 000p 00g and get 0 as floating point
< 1222077501 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess not
< 1222077503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that would be undefined. You would need to use the FPDP functions to create such a floating point number
< 1222077534 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, somewhat limiting but can't be helped I guess
< 1222077545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked Mike about this in an email, and he said ok basically :P
< 1222077557 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:56:38 AnMaster: Deewiant, oh? using normal + on two floating point numbers in befunge make no sense <<< what, no polymorphism?
< 1222077558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, waiting for email client to load
< 1222077563 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology might use 0 to push floating point 0
< 1222077574 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you run into problems that might explain it
< 1222077577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that would reflect. And you invoke undefined behaviour
< 1222077584 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or then it might not, I don't know
< 1222077600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh, haven't checked mail for two days
< 1222077610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for about 500 mails to be downloaded
< 1222077623 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o you get a lot of mail
< 1222077632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, 70% is spam
< 1222077637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest are mostly mailing lists
< 1222077642 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a lot of spam then :-P
< 1222077652 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you still get a lot of mail, even with only 30% :-P
< 1222077653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually around 60% is spam
< 1222077687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what do you expect from lists like <projectname>-commits and such :P
< 1222077703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: [Crossfire-cvs] SF.net SVN: crossfire:[9912] maps/trunk/quests
< 1222077724 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I'd read such through gmane :-P
< 1222077736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, are you a developer on those projects though?
< 1222077753 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I were I'd read through gmane
< 1222077873 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, something is starting in this classroom so I'm off ->
< 1222077910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, only thing he said was: "However if you cannot use standard functions to duplicate these numbers on the stack or read/write these numbers in funge-space, you may need to augment (add another fingerprint maybe) the extension to provide this ability."
< 1222077926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dup/swap/put/get/store with s/fetch with ' all works
< 1222077956 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to write like a ping pong in befunge
< 1222077965 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not aware of all the fingerprints
< 1222077975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, using the NCRS or TERM fingerprint you should be able to do it I guess
< 1222077983 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a list?
< 1222078002 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of fingerprints + short descriptions
< 1222078010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TERM is basic terminal functions like moving cursor to another line and such, while NCRS is more or less full blown ncurses interface iirc
< 1222078026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge has TERM but not NCRS so I don't know the NCRS details very well
< 1222078031 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i was thinking like 3d
< 1222078071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, hm, could be done I guess (rendering 3D image as ascii art or whatever) but it would be too slow to be usable
< 1222078091 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking like not ascii art
< 1222078101 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an awful way to draw stuff
< 1222078103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is the 3DSP fingerprint to handle some vector operations on signle precision floating point vectors/matrices
< 1222078112 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1222078113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, then nothing remotely portable
< 1222078124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RC/Funge got some "windows handler" thing
< 1222078127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but iirc it is very basic
< 1222078142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably not usable for anything more than basic dialogs
< 1222078191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, you could render images using TURT I guess (turtle style like Logo)...
< 1222078198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that have issues too
< 1222078217 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what isses?
< 1222078219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like cfunge and ccbi don't implement the "display in window" only the "save to file" variant
< 1222078220 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*issues
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< 1222078234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rcfunge that got render to window blocks until you close the window
< 1222078247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need the user to close the window every time you drawn to it
< 1222078265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, and it is still 2D so any 3D you would need to implement yourself
< 1222078303 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have we never met before? i implement everything myself
< 1222078387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, well I can't think of a sane way to do it. Nor of an insane one
< 1222078409 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sane way to do the 3d calculations yourself?
< 1222078409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know about that old glfunge thing, it used opengl for something iirc, but don't remember what
< 1222078419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, no, sane way to display it
< 1222078423 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sane way to draw textures and shit using turtles?
< 1222078437 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was commenting the latter thing, that it's 2d.
< 1222078438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, well you could draw it using TURT, but displaying it...
< 1222078472 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about displying it i have nothing to say, because it's you who has any idea about these fingreptinrts
< 1222078477 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typoed a bit there
< 1222078479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said the show to user command (that far from all implement) blocks until the window is closed in all interpreters I know
< 1222078484 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is There A List?
< 1222078495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, not any complete no
< 1222078499 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1222078502 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be done
< 1222078505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can certainly find lists of what each interpreter implements
< 1222078515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone needs to maintain it
< 1222078522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since new are added all the time
< 1222078555 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can find them, the question is will you find them for me :)
< 1222078569 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i'll make my own "draw ip's to screen" fingerprint
< 1222078579 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can create befunge code to move the ip's around
< 1222078609 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a part of the codespace would be visible at any point, and only ip's would be seen
< 1222078625 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be simple with threads to make something outta that
< 1222078682 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fruit flies are everywhere :<
< 1222078695 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should throw those kebab remains away...
< 1222078707 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've sat there for like 2 weeks
< 1222078755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, also the speed would be horrible. cfunge is the fastest interpreter out there. With -O3 -march=k8 -m64 it can manage something like 12000 instructions per second at best on my 2 GHz AMD64. Of course it depends on what funge instruction. I calculated that using a befunge 93 program that implements game of life
< 1222078767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait more than 12 000
< 1222078775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got the 0s mixed up
< 1222078784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 000 iirc
< 1222078794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was
< 1222078809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that doesn't work out
< 1222078820 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you optimize parts that aren't self-modifying?
< 1222078828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, no I don't.
< 1222078834 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge is one of the best languages for compilations
< 1222078837 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*compilation
< 1222078843 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can always compile it better
< 1222078845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could JIT it
< 1222078850 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, definitely
< 1222078862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the issue is then you tie yourself to a specific instruction set
< 1222078865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like x86 or ppc
< 1222078886 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a pseudoassembly
< 1222078891 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd use a pseudoassembly
< 1222078893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, thinking of LLVM?
< 1222078906 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because i don't know what that is
< 1222078922 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it's a program of some sort
< 1222078924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Level_Virtual_Machine
< 1222078946 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking just making everything myself :-)
< 1222078954 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simpler
< 1222078964 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a programmer, not an installer!
< 1222078977 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i gotta be going
< 1222078998 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm is like something you can then compile to something real?
< 1222079030 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's something i probably couldn't do, as real things are full of annoying details, especially x86
< 1222079076 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm leaving, you can answer my ponderings while i'm gone if you wish ->
< 1222079293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklofok> llvm is like something you can then compile to something real? <-- yes
< 1222079298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also a JIT for it iirc
< 1222079371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm byte code is more or less platform independent. You can then either interpret it (it JITs it) or you can compile it into machine code and link it to a binary
< 1222079410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm can also optimize the byte code.
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< 1222083868 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1222084516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "UNDEF: N says -0 is 0.000000 (-0)" <-- hm???
< 1222084609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE distinguishes positive and negative zero
< 1222084637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well nowhere does it say FPDP requires IEEE floating point actually
< 1222084667 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which might be why it's UNDEF?
< 1222084714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no it is undef because comparing floating point is tricky in befunge
< 1222084727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because floating point equality is, with epsilons, too tricky, and without them, poorly defined, and because rounding with I is too inaccurate, results of calculations will be UNDEF. The precisely correct answer will follow, to 6 decimal places: the calculated result can be compared to it."
< 1222084803 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "precisely correct" here will mean IEEE, then; as said, it's "poorly defined".
< 1222084841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well even in cfunge they don't match in the last decimal place. Nor in CCBI iirc
< 1222084845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all of them anyway
< 1222084869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you don't need to resort to the IEEE explanation in this case: -0 is -0 in the mathematical sense, too.
< 1222084963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to have sense to have a signed 0
< 1222085036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes 1/0 come out the right infinity
< 1222085097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and 1/0 makes even less sense to me
< 1222085099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some transcendental functions are discontinuous at 0
< 1222085103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222085151 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also very common in floating point representations, which tend to be of the sign-mantissa-exponent variety often, no matter how much sense it might fail to make make.
< 1222085158 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make-make.
< 1222085215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_(dwarf_planet)
< 1222085364 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-231.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222085484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_zero
< 1222086646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in CCBI they all match down to the last decimal place, except in FPSP of course. :-)
< 1222086682 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders exactly how you define "poorly defined" again
< 1222086705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you use higher precision internally then?
< 1222086706 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : "This sentence is not poorly defined"
< 1222086711 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the best definition
< 1222086725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be, could be
< 1222086726 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the only one that differs is the last one, 2^-4 or something, anyway
< 1222087057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway I can't make my FPDP IEEE conformat for non-finite maths since it will be a hell to handle if one of the operands already are inf or nan
< 1222087059 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222087087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since FPDP doesn't say it have to be IEEE 754 conforming I can get away with that
< 1222087092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222087223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222087237 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222087296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, for example inf+(-inf) seems to be nan in my tests
< 1222087304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi
< 1222087312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1222087324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also inf+-inf is NaN IIRC
< 1222087327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else could it be?
< 1222087342 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.68.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222087355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, except in erlang any result of nan or inf is an exception, very irritating
< 1222087365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make FPDP really painful
< 1222087367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1222087371 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HI
< 1222087373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ugh
< 1222087373 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1222087373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi tusho
< 1222087375 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222087385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 won by 4 seconds
< 1222087386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222087389 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1222087391 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i didn't.
< 1222087393 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1222087394 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he didn't
< 1222087398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, check logs
< 1222087402 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: inf-inf is nan, that's correct
< 1222087416 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i think you've forgotten: the logs go by our own clients
< 1222087422 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what does your client say?
< 1222087425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did you send your hi
< 1222087427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that's an unworkable rule as we have different clocks
< 1222087435 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that unworkable
< 1222087437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let me open up the log to get the seconds, this thing only shows the minutes by default
< 1222087438 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as our clocks are not that different
< 1222087448 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's a better solution than the tunes.org logs
< 1222087454 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that removes the reflex time altogether
< 1222087455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m�n sep 22 11:44:14 UTC 2008
< 1222087457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check that it match
< 1222087462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my clock is set using ntp
< 1222087466 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so is mine.
< 1222087468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can calculate difference against it
< 1222087480 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    <message id="ESLMBSD1ZX1" received="2008-09-22 12:44:16 +0100">m&#xE5;n sep 22 11:44:14 UTC 2008 <span class="encoding error">incompatible encoding</span></message>
< 1222087484 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah colloquy logs as xml :|)
< 1222087502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it should be 0 IMO ;P. Anyway I don't plan to make my FPDP IEEE 754, it is undef. and mycology does try to depend on 0 being a fpdp 0 too
< 1222087503 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I am 1hr,2sec ahead of anmaster
< 1222087514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, that was utc timestamp
< 1222087518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222087520 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222087521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 2 secs are probably irc lag
< 1222087521 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1222087525 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1222087527 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my clock is correct
< 1222087527 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1222087531 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's assume ais523's is too
< 1222087535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222087556 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    <message id="BZGL80B1ZX1" received="2008-09-22 12:42:36 +0100"><span class="member">ais523</span>: HI</message>
< 1222087562 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1222087563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:42:36
< 1222087565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: and you?
< 1222087572 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1222087574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I pasted it in-channel
< 1222087576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1222087577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m�n sep 22 11:46:16 UTC 2008
< 1222087582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it not come through?
< 1222087582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you did not ais523
< 1222087584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(stupid connection problems)
< 1222087585 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222087589 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ais523
< 1222087593 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my clock is = AnMaster's
< 1222087598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less
< 1222087603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 2 seconds, which could be irc lag
< 1222087611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely
< 1222087631 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is sync'd to time.euro.apple.com
< 1222087632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Mon Sep 22 2008] [12:42:47] <ais523> hi tusho
< 1222087634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os x does it by default
< 1222087636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Mon Sep 22 2008] [12:42:51] <tusho> ais523: HI
< 1222087640 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    <message id="BZGL80B1ZX1" received="2008-09-22 12:42:36 +0100"><span class="member">ais523</span>: HI</message>
< 1222087648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Mon Sep 22 2008] [12:42:52] <ais523> also, ugh
< 1222087652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Mon Sep 22 2008] [12:42:53] <tusho> er
< 1222087653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not important
< 1222087655 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your send time is
< 1222087655 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop that
< 1222087656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Mon Sep 22 2008] [12:42:53] <AnMaster> and hi tusho
< 1222087660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Mon Sep 22 2008] [12:42:55] <tusho> hi ais523
< 1222087661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, se.pool.ntp.org
< 1222087664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Mon Sep 22 2008] [12:43:05] <AnMaster> ais523 won by 4 seconds
< 1222087665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: STOP FLOODING
< 1222087683 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, point is, I beat you by 11 seconds
< 1222087684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I only pasted 7 lines, and my round-trip ping time is 33 seconds so your "stop that" came far too late
< 1222087687 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give or take a second or so
< 1222087692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, because our clocks are obviously different
< 1222087698 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fine
< 1222087699 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1222087700 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster:
< 1222087702 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do your thing again
< 1222087712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/exec -o date -u
< 1222087723 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: try again
< 1222087724 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222087724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m�n sep 22 11:48:43 UTC 2008
< 1222087727 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: paste his line from the logs
< 1222087731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: our clocks are within 1s of each other
< 1222087731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I did that with intention
< 1222087744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I don't want to freeze up the computer again to open the logs, my #esoteric logs are massive
< 1222087744 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably irc lag
< 1222087744 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1222087750 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222087752 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's clocks
< 1222087754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are within 1s
< 1222087757 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, point is, i beat you
< 1222087761 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222087762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: mine and yours, I was CTCP TIMEing you
< 1222087763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intentionally*
< 1222087766 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1222087770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, also since you use a script it doesn't count
< 1222087773 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no
< 1222087774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not when I join
< 1222087782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just when he does
< 1222087794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and you are such a bad looser you can't even admit you loose
< 1222087796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1222087797 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1222087799 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won
< 1222087803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just checked it and i won
< 1222087810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and...that makes me a sore loser?
< 1222087816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> and no, I don't want to freeze up the computer again to open the logs, my #esoteric logs are massive
< 1222087819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, try log rotation
< 1222087827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rotate each month
< 1222087846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I never plan to delete any of the logs in question, and they're easier to grep if they're all one file
< 1222087856 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not just tail the log
< 1222087858 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get his message
< 1222087859 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or grep
< 1222087868 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep 'mån sep 22 11:48:43 UTC 2008' esoteric.log
< 1222087872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway
< 1222087874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I could do that easily enough but that would involve going through the filesystem to find the log
< 1222087876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you CTCP TME'd
< 1222087877 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough
< 1222087881 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TIME
< 1222087882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used Konversation's open-log command
< 1222087890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which takes a while on a large log
< 1222087894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is tailed, but to 1MB
< 1222087899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which still takes a while to open
< 1222087903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does?
< 1222087906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1222087945 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, a new crop of isitchristmas.com sites
< 1222087971 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://isitbirthday.com/ -> http://isitafuckingirritatingbrowser.com/ -> http://www.isbushgone.com/
< 1222087997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how long is this "while"?
< 1222088006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the amount of lag in the IRC network and that one's own messages aren't really in a fair fight, I don't see any other way of resolving "who was first" disputes than a trusted third party, like the tunes.org logs.
< 1222088010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe about 10 seconds
< 1222088018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Konversation spends a while rendering everything in the log though
< 1222088021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: er...
< 1222088022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like URLs and so on
< 1222088023 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point is
< 1222088025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reaction time
< 1222088026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how long does it take to load KDE?
< 1222088031 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast we can type and get it entered
< 1222088043 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, we compare when we sent at -this- end
< 1222088045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since
< 1222088045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -bsh /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkdecore.so.4.2.0
< 1222088046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5M    /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkdecore.so.4.2.0
< 1222088054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably about 90 seconds while the rest of the computer's loading, as I use Gnome by default, it's much faster if loading KDE's the only thing I'm doing
< 1222088056 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-b?
< 1222088057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that indicates that just one library is larger than that 1 MB tail
< 1222088070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok you got a slow computer
< 1222088082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's rendering that's the problem, not physically loading the file
< 1222088088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, du --help
< 1222088093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: *have
< 1222088106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that I hit enter startx to KDE is fully loaded: maybe 15 seconds or so
< 1222088108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on ths computer
< 1222088120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 3.5.x
< 1222088121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does your computer run KDE by default?
< 1222088140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't start X by default. but it is the default when I enter startx
< 1222088142 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so what, the actual size as opposed to the disk usage?
< 1222088152 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 seconds? lol
< 1222088155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes that is the effect of it
< 1222088158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I normally use ls -l to determine the size of a file
< 1222088164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, sure but the computer is a few years old
< 1222088166 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this imac takes 40-60 seconds to boot up from power button to the gui :P
< 1222088170 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's due to the use of EFI and such
< 1222088175 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to the BIOS
< 1222088183 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but then you get it in bytes and reading 13857624 isn't easy enough
< 1222088188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah well I can beat that, from grub to login prompt it takes 10 seconds
< 1222088189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: -H
< 1222088194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1222088198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe -S
< 1222088199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's not fair.
< 1222088201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an option for that anyway
< 1222088206 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i am talking about from bootup to full gui syste
< 1222088206 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m
< 1222088207 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I always want du --si which I think only du supports :-)
< 1222088210 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :40-60 seconds
< 1222088214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well bios to grub takes about 14 seconds
< 1222088214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1222088221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 + 10 + 15
< 1222088230 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wanna measure that?
< 1222088231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls -l --si squeak.image
< 1222088231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxr--r-- 1 ais523 ais523 17M 2008-08-10 21:18 squeak.image
< 1222088232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that includes bios
< 1222088234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :39 seconds
< 1222088236 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn x on by default, use a stopwatch
< 1222088240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I don't reboot a lot
< 1222088241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1222088244 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you can't get to a login prompt in 35 seconds.
< 1222088250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I don't use kdm
< 1222088254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bootup is really slow due to all the crap I have installed
< 1222088257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have xdm or kdm installed tusho
< 1222088259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so impossible
< 1222088259 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The iBook seems to take a long long long long long time to boot to OS X login screen, but usually I just wake it up from sleep.
< 1222088266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :login then startx is the only way on this system
< 1222088269 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then don't try and give your own measurements, because it's not a fair comparison
< 1222088277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, how so?
< 1222088294 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because i am talking about an automated process from the initial electrical turnon to a login screen, how long that takes
< 1222088297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, loading full KDE would take longer than loading xdm
< 1222088300 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this mac is the fastest i've ever seen
< 1222088308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're going for unfair comparisons, sudo su takes me about 5 seconds on here, which is the time it takes me to type my sudo password
< 1222088309 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has tons of daemons and apps running at startup
< 1222088327 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh yeah??? well my 'true' runs in -3ms!
< 1222088332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tusho, not everyone /has/ an automated process from initial turnon to login screen
< 1222088336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well I measured time to grub (14.2 seconds) and grub to console login prompt (10.1 seconds) about 2 weeks ago
< 1222088340 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course.
< 1222088345 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can't give their times :P
< 1222088349 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's an irrelevant comparison
< 1222088354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so adding those you get 24.3 seconds
< 1222088363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can add time for startx
< 1222088370 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OS X starts the full system (like KDE) before login prompt
< 1222088387 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess for a fair comparison with a linux system you'd have to make an automatic login for the test
< 1222088391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it doesn't load a lot of stuff before login
< 1222088407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether Gnome or KDE is faster
< 1222088409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like battery menu when I tested
< 1222088413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess KDE, based on my experiences with both
< 1222088421 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kde is faster, ironically
< 1222088439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so in fact linux is at disadvantage here
< 1222088448 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how?
< 1222088451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since my measurement will include load time to full desktop
< 1222088458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not only login prompt
< 1222088462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a lot less code to load
< 1222088479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: okay, make 'startx' your login shell or something then
< 1222088479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222088490 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it would be fair
< 1222088501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, why isn't measuring each section and adding them up fair?
< 1222088506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to see that
< 1222088527 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because of the time taken to transition from each section
< 1222088550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, that is user type type time yes to enter password and such, but I don't see how that is relevant?
< 1222088572 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not what i meant.
< 1222088598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, then what *do* you mean?
< 1222088630 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i said
< 1222088637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it makes no sense
< 1222088694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you refuse to explain it, *shrug*
< 1222088788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A _true_ scotsman wouldn't need an explanation
< 1222088804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and as ais523 said:
< 1222088805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> and tusho, not everyone /has/ an automated process from initial turnon to login screen
< 1222088810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222088815 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then they are irrelevant to the comparison.
< 1222088825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and you can give relevant times by adding up all the automated sections
< 1222088852 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not valid when every second makes a difference
< 1222088904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well then we can't know if your measurement is that exact either
< 1222088911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the whole thing is pointless anyway
< 1222088919 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is.
< 1222088922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i measured it.
< 1222088933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well a human isn't that exact
< 1222088980 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am good at counting seconds manually, besides, i'll redo it with a stopwatch later
< 1222088998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What _was_ your measurement, then? I only saw that "40-60 seconds" figure.
< 1222089005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well I used a stopwatch, but even so it may be a second or so off
< 1222089014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because humans aren't that exact
< 1222089019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in pressing buttons either
< 1222089023 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i forget, it was a while ago
< 1222089033 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, but 1s doesn't make all that much difference
< 1222089037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5s does
< 1222089100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my timings: 14.2 seconds from power button to grub prompt, 10.1 seconds from selection in grub to login prompt on console, 15.3 seconds from startx to "loading KDE dialog" closed
< 1222089174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grub doesn't use a timeout at all so that is irrelevant, + the all boot entries are password protected (oh yes bios is password protected too), not a lot of security, but something is better than nothing
< 1222089188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know bios pass is easy to crack
< 1222089194 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone has my hardware they're fucked, i figure
< 1222089211 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to stick a floppy linux distro in and read from the disk
< 1222089222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, depends on the boot order you set
< 1222089234 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but as you said - bios password is easy to crack
< 1222089235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've seen a bios password cracked, the person did it by shorting out a capacitor on the motherboard temporarily
< 1222089244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the BIOS forgot what the password was
< 1222089245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, indeed, but it require some knowledge
< 1222089260 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: true, true
< 1222089268 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really care though, my priority is not letting it get stolen
< 1222089274 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or letting anyone near it who i don't want to be
< 1222089284 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i have autologin on and all that stuff because of the aforementioned reasons
< 1222089306 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i am hideously environmentally unfriendly because i just boot this from standby after the night
< 1222089312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, oh and timings on my laptop would be impossible you would say since I need to enter password for harddisk encryption at boot there
< 1222089315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than actually leaving it on, i guess
< 1222089393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1222089515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I special case {0, 0} to work around the "using 0 as FPDP 0" bug in mycology now. But I hope you fix it
< 1222089590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what floating point number does all-bits-zero correspond to?
< 1222089616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, he hopes it means 0
< 1222089626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I was wondering what it actually meant
< 1222089631 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it corresponds to 0 in IEEE-754
< 1222089631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, except in efunge floats from FPDP are tagged tuples
< 1222089635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that fails
< 1222089641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i think you are correct
< 1222089646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I am correct
< 1222089648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE-754 is a good standard to adhere to
< 1222089650 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: like POSIX!
< 1222089664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, certainly, but it is undefined in FPDP
< 1222089669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you ask me FPDP should mean IEEE-754
< 1222089673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so well you can't expect anything sensible
< 1222089676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a mike riley fingerprint
< 1222089681 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surprised it HAS a specification
< 1222089699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe, but consider efunge a Dethstation 9000 if you want
< 1222089712 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I'm doubting Deewiant cares about dethstation 9000s :D
< 1222089714 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deathfunge e^i*pi.
< 1222089715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that makes you happier
< 1222089721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you've never seen a true Deathstation 9000, efunge is more like a Deathstation 2 by comparison
< 1222089727 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care about deathstation 9000s
< 1222089728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, probably
< 1222089733 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r02jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222089742 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a similar system (i.e. not literally one) - my programs won't work
< 1222089744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pikhq
< 1222089756 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume a modern system - unix-like or not - for my sanity
< 1222089769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what about gcc-bf?
< 1222089779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've expended a lot of effort on trying to make it not a Deathstation
< 1222089787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure to what extent it's succeeded
< 1222089788 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if it's not too much work
< 1222089791 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that is amusing
< 1222089797 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS is not
< 1222089797 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a deathstation 9000 funge interpreter would easily break mycology since it tries to test UNDEF stuff to see what they do
< 1222089800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I even made int 32-bits, because everyone seems to assume it is nowadays)
< 1222089816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hmm... some of it's undefined, some's just unspecified
< 1222089841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, for instance, you can imply from the spec that # across the right edge either hits or jumps over the left edge of the program, for instance, nothing else
< 1222089894 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly
< 1222089969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok not that bad. but I plan to make efunge do unusual but kind of sane stuff
< 1222089990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I did contact Mike Riley about it
< 1222090003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the IEEE bit, but the type tagged tuples bit
< 1222090026 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just an implementation detail
< 1222090040 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he specifically say that it's ok for "00A" to reflect, for instance
< 1222090057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://rafb.net/p/9NkK4p98.html
< 1222090074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 00A does reflect, you need to load a fingerprint first if you want it to do something
< 1222090083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, :D
< 1222090133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I can special case 00 in the pop double code, but I can hardly do it in all cases
< 1222090148 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so he's saying "my spec sucks, do what you want"
< 1222090156 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't he just write stuff properly :-P
< 1222090158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the format is {double, <actual value>}{double, dummy}
< 1222090170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, then I wouldn't have been able to implement it
< 1222090183 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would have been fine as long as it has well-defined behaviour :-P
< 1222090188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can you p a FPDP tuple onto the playfield, g it back, and have it still work?
< 1222090193 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1222090193 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :related: http://tusho.net/mkry/
< 1222090195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in efunge?
< 1222090196 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if ais523's seen that
< 1222090196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes that works
< 1222090199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant and AnMaster have though
< 1222090200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes I have
< 1222090221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can you p a FPDP tuple onto the playfield, then run into it with the IP and have an appropriate command happen?
< 1222090223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, same for swap/dup on stack and such
< 1222090225 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what about $ in FPDP, will it pop one FPDP value or two
< 1222090232 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1222090240 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you need one or two to pop one value*
< 1222090241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no because the internal representation is undefined in the spec
< 1222090255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it will pop one cell
< 1222090259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I store it in two cells
< 1222090267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that one cell is a dummy cell
< 1222090268 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictly speaking even that is UNDEF
< 1222090279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well ccbi will pop one cell too
< 1222090280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could reason on the basis that if you have 2^64 different floating point numbers and p them all onto the playfield, all possible commands have to end up there somewhere
< 1222090281 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which again makes the FPDP spec as it currently is rather useless
< 1222090292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could search the playfield to find the one that was y, for instance
< 1222090293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why do you need to know the internal format of the numbers?
< 1222090295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then run into it with the IP
< 1222090300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interface functions are there for a reason
< 1222090307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that would be ridiculous, but I don't seen any reason why it doesn't work in theory
< 1222090313 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: now I'm just thinking about how to pop a single value, which is evidently impossible without invoking undef behaviour
< 1222090340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it says two cells, so $$ will do it obviously
< 1222090348 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no it doesn't say that anywhere
< 1222090349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since $ operates on cells on the stack
< 1222090360 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be one cell or 64 cells
< 1222090363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it *used* to say it
< 1222090383 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You can use "I$", I think.
< 1222090400 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, true.
< 1222090405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it used to say it back at the webarchive days
< 1222090406 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-085-016-236-180.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222090412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm 99.99% sure about that
< 1222090433 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: or did it say it or something like "A (ah al bh bl -- ch cl)" which makes little sense on its own :-P
< 1222090451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well iirc it said two cells
< 1222090467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember it having two-word things in the title at some point, like that example above
< 1222090470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway efunge won't have FPSP since erlang only got it's "semi-IEEE" floating point
< 1222090482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang will throw and exception on inf or nan
< 1222090484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the main issue
< 1222090500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any inf or nan
< 1222090512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: even quiet NaN?
< 1222090515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so that violates the specs
< 1222090526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it doesn't claim to be conforming
< 1222090530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as there are two sorts of NaNs, quiet and signaling, only the signaling one throws an exception
< 1222090532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not sure how it violates
< 1222090533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ok
< 1222090542 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it throws an exception on 1.0e200 + 1.0e200
< 1222090546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally, NaNs can carry a payload too)
< 1222090575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes that and 1.0/0.0 also throws an exception (and no it is not integer division, that would be the "div" operator")
< 1222090577 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, special NaNs would be the main reason why being able to mess with the bit representation directly would be handy
< 1222090578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1222090619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1./0. being signaling NaN would strike me as a reasonable implementation choice
< 1222090627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so that's a similar behaviour for the wrong reason
< 1222090680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any nan or inf. And well it doesn't claim to fully conform to IEEE 754
< 1222090695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I understand
< 1222090710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what floatlib.i does in such cases
< 1222090716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't conforming fully to IEEE754 either
< 1222090728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author said that the only reason it resembles IEEE754 was that it was convenient
< 1222090828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well erlang does use floating point of the system, it just checks after each operation for any of those conditions
< 1222090842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also it seems to turn -0 into 0 at least in output
< 1222090869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does it exception on underflow?
< 1222090876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the result of 1.0e-200 / 1.0e200?
< 1222090878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1> (0.0 * -1) =:= 0.0.
< 1222090878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1222090890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2> 1.0e-200 / 1.0e200.
< 1222090890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0
< 1222090909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it's trying to do floating point like maths, I think
< 1222090915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be a bad idea in programming
< 1222090943 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: works well for haskell
< 1222090953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well efunge is bignum. Mycology handles that, but that other test suite (Fungus) locks up on it
< 1222090955 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but erlang was designed by programmers
< 1222090957 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not mathematicians
< 1222090963 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell was designed by mathematicians
< 1222090969 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so erlang doing floating point like maths is probably bad
< 1222091063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so the floating point in Haskell is not fully IEEE 754?
< 1222091079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It has different types.
< 1222091087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1222091088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl, going to make some food
< 1222091089 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For IEEE 754 and mathematical.
< 1222091297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: not without some extra libraries i think
< 1222091301 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222091303 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CReal
< 1222091312 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1222091328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be
< 1222091347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway Double in ghc is IEEE
< 1222091441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CReal is for the ffi, i guess
< 1222091494 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not necessarily different in practice
< 1222091669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm they are in lambdabot
< 1222091832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait, maybe CReal really is unbounded, that was a lot of digits for pi
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< 1222092293 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it was discussed on #haskell just two days ago.  clearly i've been away too long...
< 1222092742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i was confusing it with CDouble and CFloat
< 1222094064 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CReal is in an external library
< 1222094095 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's Ratio for precise fractions
< 1222094113 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's Double and Float which are mostly IEEE 754
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< 1222094245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to put efunge's FPDP aside for now until he figures out a cleaner way to code some stuff in it.
< 1222094950 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1222097069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what should FIXP B (acos) do on non-valid input?
< 1222097073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not reflect it seems
< 1222097105 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, I guess you can reflect
< 1222097150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what does CCBI do?
< 1222097165 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just casts the NaN that comes out to an integer
< 1222097185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what (int)nan() is anyway
< 1222097191 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 0
< 1222097198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1222097212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well mycology doesn't like that you reflect on nan from B in FIXP
< 1222097243 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does mycology test invalid B?
< 1222097262 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently
< 1222097266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: T says tan(35) is 0.7002
< 1222097267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: aaaa***B reflects
< 1222097267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: B says acos(0) isn't 90
< 1222097267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: 01-B reflects
< 1222097274 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait
< 1222097287 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't test invalid B
< 1222097293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I made it push 0 on NaN:
< 1222097294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: B says acos(1) is 0
< 1222097294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: B says acos(0) isn't 90
< 1222097294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: B says acos(-1) isn't 180
< 1222097294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: 3aaa***J reflects
< 1222097298 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of that is invalid, or?
< 1222097298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me
< 1222097306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is the messages totally different?
< 1222097311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unrelated to the BAD ones?
< 1222097324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having matching GOOD/BAD confuses
< 1222097325 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaa***B is acos(1)
< 1222097346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222097363 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the reflections, it evidently gives the exact code
< 1222097416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaa*** that is 10000
< 1222097417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222097426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but it is in degrees
< 1222097428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eait
< 1222097430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1222097430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1222097443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1222097488 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acos :: [-1,1] -> [0,360) for FIXP :-P
< 1222097508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parentheses didn't match up they way they should
< 1222097571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes AnMaster is not referring to the [0,360)
< 1222097628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, to my code
< 1222097642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it multiplied too early
< 1222097661 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1222097673 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222097826 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1222097844 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222097922 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :degrees are ugly
< 1222097996 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :angles expressed on a scale from zero to random in base random with randomly created characters in a sentence written in a natlang, could this get any worse
< 1222098008 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it could
< 1222098038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The angle is 49823y4pcnq283yn4p9cq283y5p9q235.
< 1222098070 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, random base that happens to be the convention :)
< 1222098180 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't actually just hate physical objects artificially created for a specific purpose, like i said earlier, i also hate backwards-compatibility, and all kinds of conventions
< 1222098205 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, conventions that aren't perfect, but are used because of backwards-compatibility
< 1222098212 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't hate *all* conventions
< 1222098268 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm out of stuff to read :<
< 1222098273 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean stuff i have to read
< 1222098289 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fun
< 1222098354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to read Ulysses.  now!
< 1222098369 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't make me! sadly.
< 1222098410 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i only like reading computer/math related books
< 1222098413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tragic, isn't it.
< 1222098433 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sounds like tragedy, yes, not sure what book that is
< 1222098442 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1222098452 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222098470 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it wasn't a shakespearean masterpiece of great tragedy
< 1222098490 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | yes 00 false
< 1222098574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | MistyRoses are Red, Violets are Blue
< 1222098726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1222098745 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222098843 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what I missed
< 1222098845 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> ok
< 1222098847 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> oerjan, as for [) I do know what it means, though I don't know the English name for it
< 1222098849 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Disconnected ().
< 1222098884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't get that last one.  many have spoken since.
< 1222098901 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster
< 1222098911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-open interval
< 1222098965 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should that be semi-
< 1222099011 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :demi-open
< 1222099025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say semi-, I think
< 1222099075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says half-
< 1222099146 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interval_(mathematics)
< 1222099164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just received an email saying that the doors won't work again for a couple of weeks...
< 1222099194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why?
< 1222099201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just crazy
< 1222099208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upgrading the computer system that validates our swipe cards
< 1222099210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where will you chat on irc from?
< 1222099225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how can that take more than a few days!?
< 1222099234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :various other places, there are a few open-access labs I can go in sometimes
< 1222099236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not weekends though
< 1222099248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wifi tends to carry, sometimes that helps when it isn't raining
< 1222099384 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222099480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1222099482 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster
< 1222099558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sucks
< 1222099594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1222099599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my connection atm
< 1222099623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still ais523 how can that take more than a few days!?
< 1222099629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that went through or not
< 1222099630 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes.  i think pikhq took the flyswatter, i'm afraid.
< 1222099645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't ask me
< 1222099651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't have a clue either
< 1222099659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask?
< 1222099676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some huge bureaucratic thing
< 1222099680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably involves more than one department
< 1222099690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's September so there are new students
< 1222099693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, still ask, asking doesn't hurt
< 1222099704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my card seems to be mysteriously working anyway
< 1222099710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so with any luck it won't affect me...
< 1222099715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm at what level are you studying currently?
< 1222099755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a fourth-year student, MEng Electronic and Computer Engineering
< 1222099819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEng?
< 1222099825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Master of Engineering
< 1222099831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222099832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a qualification that generally requires 4 years to get
< 1222099843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1222099854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :universities vary about whether it's a 1-year upgrade from Bachelor of Engineering, or if it's awarded all in one go
< 1222099862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my course is an all-in-one-go one
< 1222099871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222100165 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1222103165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1222103724 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222103936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1222103938 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster
< 1222103944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is up with my connection today
< 1222103948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it is rock solid
< 1222103977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how goes gcc-bf btw?
< 1222103985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still doing other things
< 1222103994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone else wants to finish the tricky parts I'd be grateful
< 1222103994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1222104006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I wouldn't manage it :P
< 1222104010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I need to figure out exactly what the build system is before even being able to upload it in a form that others can use
< 1222104033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? how do you currently build it then?
< 1222104042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a whole load of shell scripts
< 1222104046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thar call each other
< 1222104056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also I assume it is against last gcc? gcc 4.3.x
< 1222104057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rely on me having set up everything by hand first
< 1222104060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or?
< 1222104068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's against the version of the source in the Ubuntu repos
< 1222104077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no clue what one that is
< 1222104084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.2.3
< 1222104092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1222104123 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that under gpl3?
< 1222104127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222104131 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah.
< 1222104208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like the resulting programs are GPL3, though
< 1222104216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just a mix of LGPL and 28 different BSD-style licences
< 1222104222 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was considering contributing to gpl3
< 1222104224 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrr
< 1222104226 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to gcc-bf
< 1222104242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part of it I haven't done isn't gpl3
< 1222104245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's currently "unspecified"
< 1222104256 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, once it'sdone
< 1222104257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'll decide on a licence for it later
< 1222104273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gpl3 code is gcc, and the code that goes into it
< 1222104276 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though allow me to suggest BSD or MIT or the Eiffel Public License
< 1222104283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newlib has a crazy permissive licence
< 1222104291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bf-ld can be anything really as I wrote it all myself
< 1222104303 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Eiffel Public License is pretty esoteric
< 1222104305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as does libbf, but that will almost certainly be BSD
< 1222104310 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like BSD or MIT, but shorter
< 1222104503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is the code that won't be gpl3?
< 1222104507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :library stuff?
< 1222104510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222104521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but didn't you say you would use newlib?
< 1222104524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stuff that's linked into the resulting program
< 1222104530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I do
< 1222104540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's libbf as well which fills in gaps in newlib
< 1222104544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I/O and filesystem
< 1222104550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which the OS normally takes care of
< 1222104552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1222104563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's the assembler/linker, which is an important part of it
< 1222104570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing that by hand in Perl and haven't chosen a license yet
< 1222104580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl, huh?
< 1222104581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why perl
< 1222104586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regexen
< 1222104632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, things like hash-tables built into the language are nice for doing linking
< 1222104655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn the connection is failing again
< 1222104656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222104657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222104673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seem to still be connected
< 1222104673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge lag
< 1222104686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but how will you be able to call that from inside the bf program?
< 1222104693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't
< 1222104695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the linker
< 1222104702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, *blink*
< 1222104703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally speaking you don't call the linker from inside the resulting executable
< 1222104713 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster thinks you are writing gcc in bf, ais523
< 1222104720 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or he doesn't know what a linker is.
< 1222104729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know what a linker is
< 1222104744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not doing shared libraries if that's what you're wondering about
< 1222104778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm writing the code such that I could make it a bytecode compiler with a brainfuck-based VM, rather than compiling directly into brainfuck, if I wanted to
< 1222104798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second version would make it possible to compile files into executables then run the executables from inside the brainfuck program
< 1222104803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be nice
< 1222104924 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222104976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I'm getting quite good at standing on one leg and balancing a laptop on my knee, whilst swiping for a door with the other hand
< 1222104986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1222104988 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster
< 1222105020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/Gjgh1u98.html
< 1222105022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and first thing tomorrow I'm going to call the ISP and complain (they have closed the call center for the day)
< 1222105057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wtf :P
< 1222105057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way it works is that I compile everything into asm, both the program and the standard libraries
< 1222105080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then statically link the program and the required parts of the stdlib together
< 1222105087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then assemble the result into a single brainfuck program
< 1222105092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, the filesystem isn't executable
< 1222105124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm and it isn't the real file system?
< 1222105132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's a fake filesystem
< 1222105142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code for it is surprisingly readable as it has pretty much nothing to do with brainfuck
< 1222105150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works using malloc
< 1222105155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to allocate space for the files
< 1222105158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is it possible to bundle data files on it?
< 1222105170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some programs need to read data or settings files and such
< 1222105176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not atm, but I hope it will be eventuall
< 1222105179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/y/
< 1222105182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1222105190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no technical reason why not, just haven't written that part yet
< 1222105196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm how does that code work, if it is C I would like to read it
< 1222105205 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, I'm getting quite good at standing on one leg and balancing a laptop on my knee, whilst swiping for a door with the other hand <<< elaborate
< 1222105219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I often carry a laptop out of this room to get something to eat
< 1222105224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is then getting back into the room again
< 1222105232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the door is weighted, and needs to be pulled open
< 1222105241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will only open within a few seconds of swiping a card
< 1222105254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm not strong enough to hold my laptop in one hand safely
< 1222105280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? need to body build ;) or get a macbook air ;P
< 1222105292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just watch out so you don't cut yourself ;)
< 1222105327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: my solution is to balance the card on my laptop, walk to the door, then stand on one leg, balance the laptop on the other leg with my left hand for support, swipe the card with my right hand, drop the card on the laptop, open the door with my right hand, then as it swings shut hold the laptop with both hands, put my left leg on the ground and hook the door with my right leg
< 1222105336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically this is the simplest method I've found
< 1222105371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could fold the laptop, carry it under one arm
< 1222105379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the folded state
< 1222105397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, might disconnect you for a moment though ;P
< 1222105415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I like to do it seamlessly so you lot don't realise what's happened unless I tell you
< 1222105421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1222105422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it makes an interesting topic of conversation
< 1222105441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1222105473 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much does your laptop weigh / how weak are you?
< 1222105507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: it's actually pretty heavy
< 1222105538 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 2 kg
< 1222105541 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1222105554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://code.eso-std.org/gcc-bf/libbf/libbf.c
< 1222105555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: probably
< 1222105575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that + newlib = standard library for gcc-bf
< 1222105607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that it's untested and probably buggy
< 1222105666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you should allow optionally making using of PSOX! *ducks*
< 1222105688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually the code's designed so that's a possibility, not planning to work on it atm though
< 1222105713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what's the #if PASS == 0 and such stuff for?
< 1222105723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to generate lots of separate .o files from one .c
< 1222105730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the linker only links the ones you need
< 1222105735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than all of them
< 1222105741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pretty esoteric, but why not use separate C files?
< 1222105746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to emulate the usual semantics of UNIX linkers
< 1222105769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I just didn't think of using separate C files, also some of the functions reference each other so having them in the same file is neater
< 1222105782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides many of the functions are so short that separating them would be overkill
< 1222105792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's some boilerplate like the headers that's the same for all of them
< 1222105796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I believe glibc have more or less one function per file
< 1222105803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly some static functions as wlel
< 1222105804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well*
< 1222105812 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe glibc functions tend to be long
< 1222105816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, true
< 1222105820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but libgcc has everything in four or five files
< 1222105830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, large files?
< 1222105836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222105848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: my build process compiles each function in libgcc three times
< 1222105862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with different word sizes
< 1222105889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way if I'm missing a function, I get not just the 8- and 16-bit versions, but the 32- and 64-bit versions too
< 1222105895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, extern void __brkpos;
< 1222105896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1222105908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I read the comment
< 1222105909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the double underscore should warn you that something's up there
< 1222105910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still wtf
< 1222105922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and void is the right data type, brkpos is literally 0 bytes long
< 1222105959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way comp.lang.c told me that I was talking nonsense
< 1222105963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it works, so I don't care
< 1222105965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, isn't double underscore used for "compiler internal variables/functions"
< 1222105971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, exactly
< 1222105973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like gcc's __builtin_foo()
< 1222105976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think that is?
< 1222105982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing a compiler here, after all...
< 1222105985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true
< 1222106000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for tusho to make a snarky comment
< 1222106002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but does the C standard define this reserved "namespace"?
< 1222106006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does
< 1222106010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222106021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double underscore followed by anything, or single underscore followed by a capital letter
< 1222106030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and one underscore? Seems to be libc stuff a lot of the time
< 1222106042 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Fed up of arguing with AnMaster, I wish I could /ignore him but then I'd miss out on half of #esoteric.
< 1222106043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both defined in both standards, but the first is used in C89 more and the second is used in C99 more
< 1222106050 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a particularly good half... but a continuity-making half.
< 1222106059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :single underscore is not defined by the standard as such
< 1222106063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION say the same about tusho 
< 1222106071 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's "says".
< 1222106072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for capital letters
< 1222106078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, thanks
< 1222106099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's become a sort of pseudonamespace that tends to be used neither by implementations nor by user programs
< 1222106110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's in libc, though, the only legitimate reason I can think of is that it's linking to something in asm
< 1222106123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so it is mostly used by libraries then?
< 1222106131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference between C identifiers and asm identifiers on most systems is that the asm version of a C identifier has an extra _ at the start
< 1222106135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by who?
< 1222106140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libraries normally
< 1222106149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really stuff like _var shouldn't be used by anyone, it's just confusing
< 1222106157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a C program can use it under some situations, but why?
< 1222106166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need
< 1222106170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(exception: _ is in the user namespace, and quite commonly used as a macro name, by gettext, for instance)
< 1222106170 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222106186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think valgrind headers sometimes use triple underscore
< 1222106189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check
< 1222106212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in that case most likely they're interfacing with compiler internals in the asm
< 1222106218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus two underscores from the internals, one for asm
< 1222106226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also one and two
< 1222106233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in various places
< 1222106243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, valgrind's linking against the user program
< 1222106255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1222106256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it uses names like __vg_replace_malloc in implementation namespace
< 1222106266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl sorry
< 1222106267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid clashes with user program identifiers
< 1222106269 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for standards questions like extern void, you might want to ask comp.std.c
< 1222106296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to check that you don't clash with any well-known compiler than it is to check with any program anyone's ever written
< 1222106308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I know about comp.std.c, mostly they don't like questions so much
< 1222106317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they prefer complaints about tricky bits in the standard
< 1222106325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like asking why gets is still there, for instance
< 1222106328 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222106336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas comp.lang.c answer questions about what's allowed in programs
< 1222106819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<GiovanniZero> What's more eco-friendly than keeping servers in the garden? <antifoidulus> Have you even considered the possibility of sentient tomatoes?
< 1222106840 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATTAAAACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOES!
< 1222106842 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATTAAAACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOES!
< 1222106860 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY'LL BEAT YOU, BASH YOU, SQUEEZE YOU, CHEW YOU UP FOR LUNCH!
< 1222106870 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND FINISH YOU UP, FOR SUPPER OR LUNCH
< 1222106873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the context, though
< 1222106887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sentient tomatoes would be so much more eco-friendly than a server in the garden
< 1222107094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm I don't think any mainstream newsgroup or irc channel would like what you are doing
< 1222107101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too esoteric
< 1222107110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, gcc-bf?
< 1222107114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222107118 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nah, see, there are people with senses of humour
< 1222107124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes us :)
< 1222107124 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those people like it just fine, if amusedly
< 1222107130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: however... you're not in that set
< 1222107134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i can tell
< 1222107140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I know about channels like ##c and such
< 1222107149 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :##c is not mainstream
< 1222107152 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the bullshit fringe
< 1222107159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc-bf isnt humorous, really
< 1222107164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I *do* like gcc-bf
< 1222107172 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-148-172.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222107174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why you would think I don't
< 1222107241 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set = people who have a sense of humour
< 1222107254 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AnMaster in set) -> false
< 1222107294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would you say I have humor?
< 1222107306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different people have different senses of humour
< 1222107313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have one but it's incompatible with tusho's
< 1222107316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes I agree
< 1222107316 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1222107316 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, people with a _good_ sense of humour
< 1222107327 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just about everyone in #esoteric has one
< 1222107334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Mony
< 1222107337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well good is subjective
< 1222107350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like your sense of humor
< 1222107358 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: since I am in #esoteric, i can objectively say that an #esoteric-esque sense of humour is a good one
< 1222107361 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do not have one...
< 1222107366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't call one is better than the other
< 1222107373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/call/say/
< 1222107409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you are just trolling, it is so pathetic
< 1222107412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1222107417 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no I am not trolling
< 1222107426 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disagreeing with you != trolling
< 1222107429 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not liking you != trolling
< 1222107434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, agreed
< 1222107435 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accusing me of trolling without basis == trolling
< 1222107443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but saying that "good" is objective
< 1222107447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is false
< 1222107452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the way you act is trolling
< 1222107463 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in #esoteric, it can be objectively said that an #esoteric-esque sense of humour is good
< 1222107468 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relative to #esoteric
< 1222107471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calm down you two, you're both reasonable when you're on your own
< 1222107473 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you will note you are in
< 1222107479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: disagreed on that point.
< 1222107480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just something bad seems to happen when you end up in the same channel together
< 1222107485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes but you can't objectively say what an "#esoteric-esque sense of humour" is
< 1222107495 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, i can: it's the sense of humour most of #esoteric have
< 1222107514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and then it isn't same as you certainly, I see lot of humor that you seem to ignore
< 1222107524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you just don't notice it is humor
< 1222107527 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore != i didn't find it funny
< 1222107541 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore == everyone spamming the channel with 'lol' is annoying
< 1222107542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, but I disagree that most have same humor as you
< 1222107564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<everyone> lol
< 1222107569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, :D
< 1222107665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as far as I can tell libbf.c's malloc() will experience rather bad memory fragmentation, though I'm not sure
< 1222107701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's plenty of memory to spare
< 1222107706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not all that many files likely created
< 1222107708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 16 MB you said
< 1222107714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222107716 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 MB is plenty
< 1222107717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite a lot really
< 1222107724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to store all my data on floppy disks
< 1222107731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I appreciate how big a megabyte is
< 1222107734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but will it be used for other stuff than file system that sbrk?
< 1222107741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbrk's used for all malloc
< 1222107749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sbrk is used by malloc
< 1222107752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things use malloc
< 1222107763 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally speaking you don't sbrk stuff directly because there's no way to give it back
< 1222107772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err glibc uses mmap for large allocations
< 1222107779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does openbsd's libc
< 1222107782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: this is newlib I'm talking about
< 1222107787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I checked all its dependencies
< 1222107787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah right
< 1222107789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmap wasn't in them
< 1222107791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the general case then
< 1222107804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually hacked my linker to return all the dependencies it needed
< 1222107859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, one think I wonder how you solve in gcc-bf is function pointers. Do you use some global jump table?
< 1222107867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a huge outer loop
< 1222107870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222107875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually all looping's done like that
< 1222107903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all labels, instead of being label: are more like ip=16; break; case 16:
< 1222107952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw.... I thought about what you said about pointers being slow in gcc-bf... How fast is gcc-bf generally?
< 1222107965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, it's vary variable
< 1222107967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that is very hard to answer of course
< 1222107969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/vary/very/
< 1222107977 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glacial, probably
< 1222107989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically addition and subtraction can be done very fast as long as it's all in registers
< 1222107994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can assignment
< 1222107997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else is slow
< 1222108009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and computational-order-slow, for that matter
< 1222108015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cfunge's funge-space is quite heavy on pointers....
< 1222108020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other parts too
< 1222108030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I changed the function-call interface
< 1222108034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to put arguments in registers
< 1222108036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs it, really
< 1222108038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no! it won't run cfunge in negative time!
< 1222108042 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fix it immediately!
< 1222108072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: AnMaster is actually more intelligent and multi-track-minded than you give them credit for
< 1222108083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I was just thinking since ais523 asked me about cfunge deps in relation to gcc-bf before (he asked, I didn't even consider it).
< 1222108088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not before that is)
< 1222108095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just idle speculation
< 1222108103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering about what gcc-bf could run in theory
< 1222108108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what it can run in a reasonable time
< 1222108110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it may take a huge amount of time to even do hello world
< 1222108110 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he's annoying, that's what
< 1222108111 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1222108125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hello world has huge stdio overhead
< 1222108134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you write the POSIX version it can be done pretty quickly, I think
< 1222108140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since even the setup of funge space pre-allocates a lot of more cells than really needed (20 000 by default iirc)
< 1222108141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, using write() rather than printf()
< 1222108155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean cfunge under gcc-bf doing hello world?
< 1222108159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that would be insanely slkow
< 1222108162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/k//
< 1222108163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1222108183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually cfunge initially allocates #define FUNGESPACEINITIALSIZE 150000 cells
< 1222108203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is tuned for mycology there, yes I know tusho will make fun of it, no I don't care about him
< 1222108221 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'm not going to make fun of it so that your sentence was a waste of typing
< 1222108223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also what posix version of hello world?
< 1222108223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the main problem I'm finding with gcc-bf is that it throws all the common knowledge about optimisation out of the window
< 1222108224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1222108230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the one that uses write rather than printf
< 1222108234 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and solely for that reason)
< 1222108236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222108248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes I guess so
< 1222108278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be still faster with __builtin_dot and __builtin_comma or whatever I decide to call them when I get round to writing them
< 1222108286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if you do manage to compile cfunge under it (and even get it to output it's help) I would really really like to know how large the binary was
< 1222108292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other six BF commands are probably best avoided
< 1222108297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what do you mean "binary"?
< 1222108310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck programs are text...
< 1222108314 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: __builtin_output, __builtin_input
< 1222108316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true, wrong word
< 1222108317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :program
< 1222108322 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__builtin_move_left, __builtin_move_right
< 1222108323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, good idea
< 1222108325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222108328 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__builtin_increment
< 1222108331 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__builtin_decrement
< 1222108335 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, for the lulz:
< 1222108340 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__builtin_loop_start
< 1222108342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__builtin_loop_end
< 1222108344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, that could mess up the program if you did it the wrong way
< 1222108350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the loop ones?
< 1222108350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222108355 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but __builtin_ is pretty dangerous anyway
< 1222108358 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it'd be funny
< 1222108361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally, with an early version which just linked and output dummy executables, I got autoconf to configure C-INTERCAL to cross-compile to brainfuck, and it correctly identified the default output filename as a.b. I was very impressed.)
< 1222108365 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they'd work kind of like setjmp
< 1222108368 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in their interface
< 1222108375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, the other ones could mess with register state or memory pointer too
< 1222108376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1222108381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: as I said, the other 6 are probably best avoided
< 1222108382 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well yeah
< 1222108384 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1222108388 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're esoteric, though
< 1222108393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :move_left and move_right would actually be worst of all
< 1222108395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ,.+- are probably the least dangerous
< 1222108399 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(void) { __builtin_increment(); __builtin_loop_start(); printf("hello world!\n"); builtin_loop_end(); return 0; }
< 1222108401 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D :D :D
< 1222108401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they would basically cause all of memory to no longer exist
< 1222108411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, __builtin_ is ALWAYS dangerous territory
< 1222108415 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's best to expose as much as possible
< 1222108424 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because some crazy soul will write a program that uses them and it will WORK
< 1222108428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ and - would be safe, you could give it an argument saying where the pointer should be at the time
< 1222108437 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: possibly you should have __asm__ too
< 1222108443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have __asm__
< 1222108447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the library I linked
< 1222108449 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use the register stuff in the __asm__ syntax to avoid register clobbering
< 1222108453 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does it do brainfuck, though?
< 1222108457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, it does ABI
< 1222108460 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1222108465 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you should have a brainfuck __asm__
< 1222108465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that reminds me, what is the syntax for that strange __asm__
< 1222108465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ABI will probably have a literal-brainfuck opcod
< 1222108467 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like __bf_asm__
< 1222108469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/e/
< 1222108473 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, good
< 1222108484 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could implement __builtin_move_left yourself
< 1222108485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it takes either 3 or 4 args, separated by colons
< 1222108490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    "lea (%1), (%%mark)\n"
< 1222108490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    "\tloloop.32 %0\n"
< 1222108491 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just by using the ABI thing to do "lit ["
< 1222108491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that
< 1222108494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "<"
< 1222108496 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff like that
< 1222108517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first is the asm you want, the second describes the outputs, the third describes the input, and the fourth tells it what registers are clobbered
< 1222108533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's typical ABI that you're quoting there
< 1222108557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also I can (from reading libbf.c) see plenty of ways to make programs that would break gcc-bf in subtle ways
< 1222108565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that's actually an ABI template, so % becomes %, and %1 and %0 are replaced
< 1222108568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: examples?
< 1222108585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that signal stuff looks suspect in pass 15 for example
< 1222108594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it *may* be safe, not sure how it is used
< 1222108601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all done with newlib's simulated signals
< 1222108618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so IOW it doesn't have to be reentrant or anything like that that's normally important with signals
< 1222108633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no way to get a signal other than raise or abort
< 1222108676 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222108702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, am I right to guess that in gcc-bf a program with many small functions (non-inlined, maybe because they are recursive or whatever) will be a lot slower than a program with a few large functions?
< 1222108758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if recursive, yes; if not, probably not all that much because although using the call stack is moderately slow looping and goto have overhead just as function calls do
< 1222108782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally, gcc translates all flow control to goto or one of three types of function call internally)
< 1222108797 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even if?
< 1222108800 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work?
< 1222108803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computed goto?
< 1222108818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if is done by computed goto, yes
< 1222108829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, really? how strange
< 1222108845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does gcc optimise tail recursive functions btw?
< 1222108845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always in a conventional form, though
< 1222108863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which corresponds to goto *(x ? &&label1 : &&label2)
< 1222108874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it can do, it needs special patterns in the machine description for a sibling call though
< 1222108913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm gettimeofday() returns a constant... what should then be used for srandom()?
< 1222108928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also cfunge would lockup forever if gettimeofday() never changes
< 1222108933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been wondering about that too, about the only thing I can think of is asking the user
< 1222108945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I've been wondering if gettimeofday should increment the time every time it's called
< 1222108946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since it uses a loop to check the granularity of gettimeofday() in HRTI
< 1222108949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent that sort of lockup
< 1222108971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple enough, I could just use a static variable holding the fake time
< 1222109052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is what cfunge does first time HRTI is loaded http://rafb.net/p/EAxpoX15.html
< 1222109077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I can hack it to get that to work easily enough
< 1222109086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, though HRTI wouldn't work at all under gcc-bf for various other reasons
< 1222109091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is more than one possible set of bogus data to return from gettimeofday()
< 1222109094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is time measure
< 1222109109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well incrementing by one every time could work
< 1222109175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "  (void) tz;"
< 1222109177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1222109195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: usual trick to tell warning-generators that you aren't using the variable
< 1222109204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that particular idiom's recognised by pretty much all lintalikes
< 1222109211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since this needs gcc anyway what is wrong with __attribute__((unused))
< 1222109220 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a lot longer.
< 1222109222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like doing it portably, besides it's faster to type
< 1222109226 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus why be unportable when it's unneeded
< 1222109233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: snap
< 1222109239 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222109275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as if (void)tz; translates into any code anyway on any sane compiler
< 1222109282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indee
< 1222109284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed*
< 1222109306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc-bf's insane and it doesn't even translate into any code on that
< 1222109361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, don't "shared" parts of gcc remove it before?
< 1222109381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think it's probably removed in RTL
< 1222109383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh computed goto how will that work in gcc-bf?
< 1222109393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can
< 1222109403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't* just jump to a specific place in the code
< 1222109403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the whole thing's basically a massive switch statement, so very easily
< 1222109412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, really? for every address?
< 1222109423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for every possible break in program flow
< 1222109438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what if you used computed goto to go elsewhere?
< 1222109448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the program's broken into cases at every label, if, goto, loop and function call
< 1222109458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computed goto can goto any label it likes
< 1222109471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :void _exit(int rv)
< 1222109471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{
< 1222109471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (void)rv;
< 1222109471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  goto *(void*)0;
< 1222109471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1222109477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each label is a place that program flow could potentially be transferred to
< 1222109488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, exit goes to the start?
< 1222109495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't start at 0!
< 1222109508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loops never do in brainfuck
< 1222109535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that is one weird function by normal standards
< 1222109539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for case 23.... isn't that true for lots of other functions too? sqrtl, tanl, sinl, cosl, asinl and so on
< 1222109557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge check that they exist and fall back to double variants
< 1222109562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... hm
< 1222109578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's to do with which functions are used by newlib, and which ones aren't
< 1222109581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newlib needs fabsl to exist
< 1222109597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my library is just like gcc; it implements bits of C99 but not all of them
< 1222109606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, case 24 says old style prototype, but I don't see that. All I see is a modern varargs prototype: "int fcntl(int fd, int cmd, ...)"
< 1222109611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not oldstyle+
< 1222109615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/+/?/
< 1222109626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise, it implements the bits that newlib needs
< 1222109633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I don't get that warning on case 24
< 1222109640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are you actually trying to compile that code?
< 1222109654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no I was reading your comemnt
< 1222109656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of it doesn't make any sense on any platform other than gcc-bf
< 1222109659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comment*
< 1222109661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes
< 1222109663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" n.b. old-style prototype as we don't know how many arguments we're getting and thus need to force an unprototyped call "
< 1222109664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was old-style once
< 1222109666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I changed it
< 1222109671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes it is varargs
< 1222109673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and forgot to update the comment
< 1222109683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it was using old-style argument type-punning
< 1222109689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like lots of the old BSD interfaces did
< 1222109705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually it turned out to be varargs
< 1222109710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm I don't see any calls to functions to handle varargs stuff in there
< 1222109716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironic really because I never use the third argument
< 1222109717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like va_start va_end and such
< 1222109743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ... is needed though so it passes args on the stack
< 1222109758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :varargs calling conventions are different on most architectures from the non-varargs version
< 1222109773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/include/gentoo-multilib/amd64/fcntl.h:extern int fcntl (int __fd, int __cmd, ...);
< 1222109786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird to use __ in parameter list
< 1222109786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's a ... in newlib's .h too
< 1222109794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not at all in a system header file
< 1222109802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if the user does #define fd before including it
< 1222109808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... right
< 1222109815 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222109822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :header files can't mention any user-namespace stuff at all other than what they're meant to be defining
< 1222109832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(splint actually gives a warning about this on its strictest mode...)
< 1222109849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm does opening /dev/null work?
< 1222109866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if it doesn't exist and you don't specify O_CREAT
< 1222109874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no directory structure, no special filenames
< 1222109879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I mean a null device node
< 1222109885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no device nodes
< 1222109888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222109890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdin/out/err are special-cased
< 1222109901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else is a regular file, all chars but NUL allowed in filenames, no directories
< 1222109920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, all files are owned by root, nosuid, noexec, permissions 644
< 1222109929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, am I right in my understanding that gcc-bf will have one very advanced security feature?
< 1222109941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the inability to do anything BF can't do?
< 1222109968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mandatory NX on the data and write protected code?
< 1222109974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that mprotect() can't change it
< 1222109975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222109996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could make it sound enterprisy :)
< 1222110000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mandatory NX on data, mandatory NR/NW on the code
< 1222110022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoyingly gcc requires executable stack to implement nested functions
< 1222110029 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounding like a crazy esoteric code wizard who can code something like gcc-bf is sometimes better than sounding enerprisey
< 1222110032 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*enterprisey
< 1222110032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I decided to not implement that because they aren't part of standard C anyway
< 1222110033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah hm
< 1222110061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes. Except I have seriously considered adding JIT using llvm or similiar to cfunge
< 1222110075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only thing blocking that is 1) time 2) LLVM is C++
< 1222110095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I may write the bytecode version some time in which the program is stored in the same memory as the data
< 1222110104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only the VM would be unreadable and unwritable
< 1222110107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would be even slower :D
< 1222110122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the memory would be "nonexecutable", but the VM could execute it so there wouldn't be a problem
< 1222110134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I don't think it would be slower by a factor of more than n^2 or so
< 1222110138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway it would be an optional cfunge feature if I did it
< 1222110153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n^2.. haha
< 1222110162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: luckily gcc-bf runs in polynomial time, I think
< 1222110178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe
< 1222110265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which column in ps aux is the memory usage that would be relevant for gcc-bf?
< 1222110287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
< 1222110287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid    11814  0.2  0.5  18080  7948 pts/4    T    20:03   0:00 build/cfunge -S mycology/mycology.b98
< 1222110302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably all of them added together
< 1222110305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from PID
< 1222110316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CPU and memory percent
< 1222110320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1222110328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so VSZ + RSS?
< 1222110332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1222110338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in what units? 18080 + 7948
< 1222110340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entire OS is inside the program too
< 1222110353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm not sure if it will fit with mycology inside 16 MB RAM
< 1222110393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cfunge wasn't coded for that memory limited systems
< 1222110406 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16MB of ram is not memory limited.
< 1222110417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I've fit an entire Linux distro into 16 MB disk space, 64 MB RAM
< 1222110424 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a gui app running on a fully-featured OS, sure.
< 1222110425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I had to take bits out to fit Python on there
< 1222110431 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for an esolang interp, no, 16MB is luxury
< 1222110436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, fully featured? As in Linux?
< 1222110444 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Or Windows or OS X.
< 1222110445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you *are* looking for a fight
< 1222110470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :119890 * 8 bytes for 64-bit cfunge to hold mycology
< 1222110478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's in kilobytes
< 1222110500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, 26MB is a bit too much
< 1222110502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm
< 1222110507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, debug info I bet
< 1222110515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why can't you have infinite memory
< 1222110517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, gcc-bf doesn't support debug info
< 1222110518 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. that of the BF host
< 1222110532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it does, but you can't take pointers to stuff outside the first 16MB
< 1222110542 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1222110545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it pretty hard to use with regular C programs
< 1222110551 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps have an extension thing:a
< 1222110553 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a composite type
< 1222110555 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1222110560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it gets down to 17 MB without it
< 1222110562 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16mb + one byte
< 1222110563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is
< 1222110565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is 64-bit funge remember
< 1222110570 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__mem(1, 1)
< 1222110582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is
< 1222110589 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__mem(multiples of 16 for base offset, value)
< 1222110590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how much of that is on the stack?
< 1222110594 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addresses memory at offset+value
< 1222110609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, most is the hash table on the heap, which have lots and lots of pointers
< 1222110611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get 16MB for the stack, and another 16MB for heap + bss + initialised data + rodata combined
< 1222110619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I use a memory pool to allocate the cells from
< 1222110622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the program itself doesn't count
< 1222110636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get 16 million basic blocks there
< 1222110646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is easily enough for anything I'm likely to be able to think of
< 1222110654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, remember my pointers are 64 bits
< 1222110663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on x86_64
< 1222110663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, mine are 32 bits
< 1222110671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually they're 26 bits
< 1222110676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but padded to 32 for sanity reasons
< 1222110687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and only a tiny fraction of the memory is on the stack
< 1222110691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally C likes sizeof(void*) to be an integer
< 1222110696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically arguments + local variables
< 1222110702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, pity
< 1222110707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be fast to access the stack, though
< 1222110711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have much on it
< 1222110725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I pass pointers to stuff on the heap
< 1222110734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also what about static const arrays?
< 1222110743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're in the same memory storage as the heap is
< 1222110744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use one large such to look up fingerprint function pointer in
< 1222110814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually I don't think I use all that memory, but the initial hash table size is on the large size, I found that it helped performance quite a bit in mycology
< 1222110839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe I can just reduce the numbers a bit, I don't think performance is likely to be very important here...
< 1222110856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1222110864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me build a x86 build
< 1222110869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubling the speed of your program is pointless when the interpreter's making it worse by several factors of n
< 1222111013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my normal build is 2.5 MB binary with debug info and 160 KB after strip, with an -Os x86_32 build I got 79 KB after strip
< 1222111042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should get a buildable-by-someone-else version of gcc_bf up sometime
< 1222111051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can have a go at running what I've done so far
< 1222111052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
< 1222111053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid    13331  4.0  0.3   6780  5400 pts/4    T    20:17   0:00 build_32/cfunge -S mycology/mycology.b98
< 1222111063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is *without* changing the initial alloc size
< 1222111074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf-gcc -o works fine atm (and is equivalent to bf-gcc -S apart from the output filename)
< 1222111085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those numbers look tenable
< 1222111091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well 32-bit pointers
< 1222111095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tells a lot doesn't it?
< 1222111103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge is extremely pointer heavy
< 1222111111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 32-bit ints too
< 1222111116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's also extremely int heavy
< 1222111122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I used that in the last 64-bit build
< 1222111125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least native-int-size heavy
< 1222111129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1222111129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't make a lot of difference
< 1222111142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, code that pointy isn't going to go well with brainfuck
< 1222111147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as brainfuck doesn't like pointers or anything similar
< 1222111160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well a hash library is pointy by definition kind of
< 1222111189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried to reduce pointers there
< 1222111198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :special case the hash library code
< 1222111235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... if I wrote a funge interp from scratch in brainfuck, I could take advantage of the infinite memory to not bother with hashing
< 1222111254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, from using a void* pointer in the nodes to point at the data to contain the data directly in the record
< 1222111261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you said 16 MB
< 1222111263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not infinite
< 1222111274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I was talking about brainfuck in general not gcc-fb
< 1222111277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fb/bf/
< 1222111281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you do have infinite memory
< 1222111283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also you wouldn't want to write a befunge-98 from scratch, it is *hard* the first time
< 1222111291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there are such a lot of pitfalls
< 1222111298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a lot easier the second time with efunge
< 1222111300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc-bf has infinite memory but it doesn't have infinite addressable memory, so the infinite memory is a bit pointless
< 1222111305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then I hit several of those pitfalls
< 1222111309 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't use mycology for testing it's a lot easier ;-P
< 1222111327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but it doesn't test everything
< 1222111336 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit?
< 1222111352 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of hard to test every possible valid befunge-98 program :-P
< 1222111358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, kk ..... k       v ...... kt        kq
< 1222111366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ;P
< 1222111371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh kkk too
< 1222111388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what does o do again?
< 1222111389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it means you can do like MS: Rig the POSIX test
< 1222111395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, output to a file
< 1222111396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kkkt is bad enough to think about, anyway
< 1222111398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i reads from a file
< 1222111406 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#tkkkt
< 1222111410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they are voluntary
< 1222111415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, gah
< 1222111424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222111428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: probably worth having something on the stack beforehand
< 1222111436 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y#tkkkt
< 1222111440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah
< 1222111441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh!
< 1222111445 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1222111449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about
< 1222111453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>yt
< 1222111459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1222111493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fork bomb for funge
< 1222111494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222111499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact
< 1222111502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a single t is
< 1222111505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or yt
< 1222111525 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1222111529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I just ran #tkkkt in debug mode in ccbi
< 1222111536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh what happened?
< 1222111536 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'm doing
< 1222111538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, y#tkkkt
< 1222111539 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence the "argh"
< 1222111546 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashed :-/
< 1222111548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it went into an infinite loop at the first k
< 1222111553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ais523: leason: Set your ulimits!
< 1222111560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :busyloop by the feel of it as everything else on the computer stopped responding
< 1222111570 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if I only knew what caused the crash
< 1222111582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it doesn't crash in cfunge
< 1222111588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and it's certainly worth setting ulimits when compiling gcc-bf, several times the resulting code, which runs during the compilation, turned out to have infinite recursion
< 1222111593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what does it do in cfunge?
< 1222111595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, all it does is hit my ulimit after about 2 seconds
< 1222111613 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a stack overflow crash
< 1222111625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which ulimit does it hit?
< 1222111626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well you store the stuff on the stack?
< 1222111639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, -m
< 1222111663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with is 256 MB
< 1222111663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that one do?
< 1222111669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever used it
< 1222111673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max memory size         (kbytes, -m) unlimited
< 1222111677 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so what, you think I should allocate k's stack frame on the heap? :-P
< 1222111677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't understand the docs for it
< 1222111685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, -m is "max resident set size" on my computer
< 1222111716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah right
< 1222111719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm
< 1222111760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, huh
< 1222111786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have no idea what that means
< 1222111797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wait it hit -v first actually
< 1222111799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got both set
< 1222111808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-v was 300 MB
< 1222111814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, -v is one of the ones I normally set when I have a hunch that something might hit ulimit
< 1222111820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally I set it quite low, though
< 1222111834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually what happened to be exact was:
< 1222111835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could not create IP, possibly out of memory?
< 1222111835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things may be broken now, continuing anyway.
< 1222111835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unexpected error.
< 1222111857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what logic I used for that
< 1222111882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and the 25 MB, those include libraries I think
< 1222111888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if I set -v low enough I get:
< 1222111900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./cfunge: error while loading shared libraries: libdl.so.2: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory
< 1222111910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was for 10 MB
< 1222111913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on -v
< 1222111926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that could explain the huge memory usage
< 1222111932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ncurses and such for example
< 1222111960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222111968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it seems cfunge does *not* handle most errors gracefully really:
< 1222111971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ncurses may be a lot simpler on gcc-bf
< 1222111974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ( ulimit -v $(( 15 * 1024 )); ./cfunge -S test.b98; )
< 1222111974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge: /home/arvid/src/cfunge/trunk/src/ip.c:199: ipListDuplicateIP: Assertion `index <= (*me)->top' failed.
< 1222111982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it needs terminal move
< 1222111985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I get it working there at all
< 1222111993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, all I use from ncurses are the low level terminfo bits
< 1222112006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use the high level dialog functions
< 1222112018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what happens if you try to write to /dev/full inside cfunge?
< 1222112023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a useful device to know about
< 1222112039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well using o, it should refelect
< 1222112054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the issue is that it doesn't handle realloc/malloc errors gracefully all the time
< 1222112061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many people take the possibility of reflecting o into account?
< 1222112063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tests
< 1222112074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I certainly do reflect on it in some cases
< 1222112076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, handling realloc/malloc errors can often be done simply by wrapping realloc and malloc
< 1222112082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also you do when you code since o is optional
< 1222112084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant when writing Funge programs
< 1222112095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes
< 1222112099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you need to check with y if i and o are implemented
< 1222112159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ( ulimit -v $(( 13 * 1024 )); ./cfunge -S test.b98; )
< 1222112159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malloc: Cannot allocate memory
< 1222112159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't create funge space!?: Illegal seek
< 1222112159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1222112169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just try bouncing filenames off them to see what happens
< 1222112173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think I know what that was. :D mmap failing
< 1222112206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it seems at least 11 MB alone in the 64-bit build is needed to load the libraries and the binary
< 1222112229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the libraries and binary aren't in memory for gcc-bf
< 1222112234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no problem to worry about there
< 1222112259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed and on linux the libraries will be shared with other apps
< 1222112263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapped into memory
< 1222112274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas gcc-bf statically links everything
< 1222112277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just one copy of each libary
< 1222112280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :library*
< 1222112280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there is no more than one program per universe
< 1222112304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right. Does ick have issues with dlopen/dlclose btw?
< 1222112316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't do, it doesn't notice them itself
< 1222112323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will have no idea if you're using them or not
< 1222112330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right
< 1222112478 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222112496 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222112500 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222112542 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222114208 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1222114425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I need your help with an issue
< 1222114432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it?
< 1222114437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a sec for link
< 1222114458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, read the comments on http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=18937
< 1222114467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I haven't got any response
< 1222114473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :care to sort it out?
< 1222114497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the *direct* link is needed since it is a program that downloads, not a human
< 1222114502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which comment?
< 1222114504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that person doesn't seem to understand it
< 1222114507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one by Claudio?
< 1222114513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, exactly
< 1222114519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand his situation better than you do, probably
< 1222114528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I need *direct link to tarball*
< 1222114531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else works
< 1222114532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is more than one download site for c-intercal
< 1222114536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's suggesting you link to the other one
< 1222114541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what one?
< 1222114549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a direct link to the tarball again
< 1222114571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it will be fetched by a program, not by a human like he seems to assume
< 1222114590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.intercal.ukfsn.org/download/ick-0-28.tgz and http://intercal.freeshell.org/download/ick-0-28.tgz are the two download locations for C-INTERCAL 0.28
< 1222114597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, select one
< 1222114605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is *permanent*
< 1222114616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is maybe neither of them are
< 1222114626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should persuade tusho to host a permanent version
< 1222114629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also it was over a month since I responded to him and he didn't reply
< 1222114635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what an arse" is my feeling
< 1222114645 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what an arse" who
< 1222114656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw if you expect C-INTERCAL download locations to be permanent, you are obviously unaware of the history; many versions were never distributed over either HTTP or FTP)
< 1222114669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some were done as shars over usenet, others were distributed as patches to other versions
< 1222114675 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, AnMaster is calling Claudio an arse?
< 1222114677 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck you too AnMaster
< 1222114677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222114678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the link will be fetched by wget basically (actually curl iirc)
< 1222114689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what about using a redirection service?
< 1222114690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so I need a link *which works for that*
< 1222114692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get a tarball
< 1222114713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, couldn't http://intercal.freeshell.org/download/ick-<version>.tgz provide that?
< 1222114714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand what you need, I'm just trying to explain you might not be able to get it
< 1222114716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems natural
< 1222114730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or you could use the sourceforge mirror system :)
< 1222114740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that for cfunge *exactly for that reason*
< 1222114741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sourceforge... now there's an idea
< 1222114761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and it is the only bit I use the cfunge project on there for really
< 1222114790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it should be perfect for mirror network
< 1222114811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe I'll move to eso-std.org when I'm convinced that tusho won't move everything around every 10 seconds
< 1222114825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sf.net seems sane to me
< 1222114833 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know me. I'll move it around as soon as AnMaster updates his thing to use it
< 1222114837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also why didn't he bother to respond I tried to ask what he meant?
< 1222114848 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: people have lives
< 1222114852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he tends to be busy, I think
< 1222114870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yet another reason to use sf.net, I think they changed download link once the last 5 years :P
< 1222114894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from dl.sourceforge.net/project/filename to download.sourceforge.net/project/filename
< 1222114900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1222114919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes http://downloads.sourceforge.net/cfunge/cfunge-0.3.2.tar.bz2
< 1222114924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to be dl subdomain
< 1222114951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and that redirects to some mirror
< 1222114968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: evil idea: use Debian's version of the original source
< 1222114976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um huh?
< 1222114979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's mirrored all over hte place
< 1222114981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that permanent in any way?
< 1222114985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1222114992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bundled in the dpkg
< 1222115000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with a Debian-specific diff
< 1222115001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no way I'm extracting that
< 1222115027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I do odd stuff already: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/c-intercal/c-intercal/PKGBUILD
< 1222115042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick at least used to break at -j2 or higher
< 1222115046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's less than a page of odd stuff
< 1222115085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact that looks positively sane
< 1222115111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about the gentoo version: http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=157803
< 1222115130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(odd that Claudio didn't comment on http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=228563)
< 1222115139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better, but still too short
< 1222115151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222115154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw config.sh is named configure again in -1.29, you'll be glad to know)
< 1222115330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IMHO, the major.minor.major version is asking for trouble. What will happen if
< 1222115330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upstream decides to add a micro version component? I think the Gentoo version
< 1222115330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should follow major.minor (i.e., 28.0, even if this is boring)."
< 1222115332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw ^
< 1222115368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I actually have incomplete plans somewhere for a complete Debian-legal version mangling scheme
< 1222115375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even got hold of the source to dpkg to check
< 1222115381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh?
< 1222115383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even 28.0 won't handle the version numbers for the alphas
< 1222115395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1.29 = alpha for 0.29
< 1222115400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly -1.0.29
< 1222115407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe even 1.-3.0.29
< 1222115411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure yet
< 1222115621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well we will just skip alphas then
< 1222115640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is tempted to release a version of C-INTERCAL with a version number like "fish" to annoy everyone
< 1222115653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just make versions C-INTERCAL programs
< 1222115654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't, though, that would be evil
< 1222115657 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :short ones
< 1222115658 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one line ones
< 1222115660 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, "fish" :-D
< 1222115700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222115784 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1222115986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, better yet: make the version fish and the *codename* 0.29
< 1222115988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222115995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222116003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's had various codenames at various stages
< 1222116007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh?
< 1222116010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1.29 is a good one, though, as it's pretty obvious what it means
< 1222116021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was called 1.29 at one point, because I wasn't sure if it was a bugfix release or not
< 1222116023 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX (and metafont) have that funny version numbering, where the version number approaches pi (or e for metafont) by adding one digit to the end of the version number; TeX is currently at 3.1415926. But maybe that's too user-friendly since it's just a monotonically increasing number.
< 1222116042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes I know
< 1222116057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't latex at 2e soon?
< 1222116076 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure most people know, but since the topic was version numbering...
< 1222116214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also I thought it was clc that did negative?
< 1222116226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222116232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clc does negatives using decimal, though
< 1222116238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty easy to translate
< 1222116245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas C-INTERCAL is lexicographic
< 1222116278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so 1.-94.-2 is?
< 1222116289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.598
< 1222116326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can you contact Claudio and explain why *direct link to tarball* is needed, since he now added an offending text at the top of http://intercal.freeshell.org/download/ about that
< 1222116335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I hope you can do it soon
< 1222116349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I will just give up on it, it needs a stable link
< 1222116358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if that means it has to be source forge
< 1222116360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think he's pretty much pointing out that a stable link is unavailable via his servers
< 1222116404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well gentoo will mirror it to it's own servers if the ebuild get accepted, but they will fetch from the original
< 1222116415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, while archlinux won't mirror source
< 1222116421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that case just point Arch at the Gentoo servers and you're done
< 1222116449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, doesn't work since old mirrored files are cleaned out when the corresponding ebuild is removed
< 1222116465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when it is updated the link will suddenly get invalid overnight
< 1222116477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's always a risk
< 1222116485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well why not sf.net?
< 1222116500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a reason *against* using them for mirroring
< 1222116520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for code or website hosting sure, but their mirror system is way way more stable
< 1222116564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can use them for that if you like
< 1222116578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you need to register the c-intercal project there then
< 1222116580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, INTERCAL was never really based on practicality
< 1222116584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you are the maintainer
< 1222116591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and upload new releases
< 1222116606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you don't want distributions to include packages?
< 1222116609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that correct?
< 1222116614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1222116629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well Debian rarely seem to have a problem, they even found some of them without hints
< 1222116641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems strange that distros demand a stable download link
< 1222116645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that is due to them hosting it themselves
< 1222116652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just update the link whenever it changes?
< 1222116653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, *source based distro*
< 1222116662 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ais523's job is to make INTERCAL as difficult as possible to work with in any way
< 1222116667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what package managers are good at, isn't it?
< 1222116670 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are asking him to do exactly the opposite
< 1222116679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: actually, yes, I get criticised on a.l.i if I make it too easy...
< 1222116692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly I've gone too far letting it build without manual tinkering
< 1222116693 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just rot13 the tar.gz
< 1222116699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I read a.l.i, it is dead basically
< 1222116701 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever you use
< 1222116709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lots of people read it, hardly anyone writes there though
< 1222116712 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody'll get it to work
< 1222116720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, dead :P
< 1222116723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: .pax.lzma, I'm thinking, with .pax.bz2 and .pax.gz versions too
< 1222116726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way anyone can read it
< 1222116729 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and rot13 it
< 1222116741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and I don't write because I don't have access to anything but readonly newserver
< 1222116746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: INTERCAL doesn't necessarily have to be difficult, but it does have to be different
< 1222116758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so using a POSIX standard format when nobody else does = win
< 1222116769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> Deewiant: .pax.lzma, I'm thinking, with .pax.bz2 and .pax.gz versions too <-- gentoo's unpack ebuild command handle them all
< 1222116769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222116776 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comp my irssi runs on doesn't even have pax
< 1222116783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's upward-compatible with tar
< 1222116785 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has access to a write newserver
< 1222116787 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(google)
< 1222116790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular tar can read pax-encoded files
< 1222116793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it doesn't know it
< 1222116805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU tar can even create them
< 1222116814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ type pax
< 1222116814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pax is /usr/bin/pax
< 1222116815 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have pax on this os x system
< 1222116818 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what if it contains stuff like over-255-char filenames or whatever pax supports that tar doesn't?
< 1222116833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets mapped to files with long complicated names that don't clash with anything
< 1222116839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get a tar-suitable version instead
< 1222116840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, idea: use ar not tar
< 1222116844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since tar is for tape
< 1222116848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: doesn't preserve directory structure
< 1222116854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked into that when tusho suggested it, though
< 1222116854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, argh true
< 1222116876 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: make an ar which contains ars which are named according to directory
< 1222116884 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so foo/bar/baz becomes foo.a -> bar.a -> baz.a -> files
< 1222116891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting idea
< 1222116891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1222116907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, care to write an unpacker script for then ;P
< 1222116911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think .pax is perfect, it doesn't actually require any extra effort from people but they don't realise it
< 1222116920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and yes that sounds good
< 1222116936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, was there any comments on CREATE on a.l.i?
< 1222116941 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I think people will just try tar xf and be happy when it works :-P
< 1222116955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I was going to tell them that that's what they should do
< 1222116962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think they'd guess even without/
< 1222116968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nop
< 1222116971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would google
< 1222116973 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some wouldn't even notice that it's pax and not tar
< 1222116988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? really?
< 1222117004 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll just see "XXXX.XaX.gz" and use tar xzf :-P
< 1222117023 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something occurred to me on the bus today: Stereotypical black guy = valley girl | sed 's/like/motherfucker/g'
< 1222117037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what? XD
< 1222117046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri Sep 12 17:17:02 CEST 2008  ais523@bham.ac.uk
< 1222117047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun Sep 14 11:12:25 CEST 2008  Alex Smith <ais523(524\)(525)x)@bham.ac.uk>
< 1222117053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, Google is really unhelpful at determining how to unpack a pax
< 1222117056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ what is up with those escape codes?
< 1222117059 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: comments
< 1222117061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nested comments.
< 1222117061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no escapes at all
< 1222117062 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: comments
< 1222117062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the darcs messages
< 1222117064 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is trying to break your mailer
< 1222117064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a valid email address
< 1222117065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1222117066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1222117067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just has nested comments in
< 1222117080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah does any modern email client handle it
< 1222117081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no spambot I know of is capable of handling them
< 1222117088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222117095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, far from all humans too
< 1222117095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, Thunderbird can handle comments but not nested comments, I've heard
< 1222117095 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: There was the world's most stereotype-conformant black guy on the bus today. It was ridiculous. It's like he went to racist websites and adopted every stupid stereotype they had. And yeah, that's the equivalence.
< 1222117147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it seems darcs pull locked up
< 1222117152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc the utility of a complicated comment syntax with nested comments and escapes for the comment delimiters in email addresses is somewhat suspect
< 1222117173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, protecting against spambots?
< 1222117175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it shouldn't have
< 1222117186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it's partly spambot protection, and partly just because I can
< 1222117198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I pressed y for the last patch and then nothing
< 1222117203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the latest version the cfunge stuff is broken as I haven't redone the built process for it
< 1222117216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: try killing and restarting the connection?
< 1222117223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, trying...
< 1222117225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same issue
< 1222117238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it used to have some output
< 1222117247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does once it's downloaded
< 1222117255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does that when it has network problems
< 1222117270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries --verbose
< 1222117277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alex Smith <ais523(524\)(525)x)@bham.ac.uk>**20080914091817]
< 1222117277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diffing dir...
< 1222117279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it stops
< 1222117298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, I've never known it to crash there before
< 1222117325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as I moved everything to different places using the wrong commands I could understand if it got a bit confused, but darcs is good at that sort of thing
< 1222117372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it seems to be swap trashing?
< 1222117375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try a clean unpack myself
< 1222117423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked for me from clean
< 1222117468 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that's an awfully quiet bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147346
< 1222117498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recreates a tree 3 patches from the end, then tries pulling the last 3
< 1222117503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what AnMaster's doing I think
< 1222117513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1222117522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying make clean and such now
< 1222117539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it worked
< 1222117539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked fine for me
< 1222117549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what that was, then
< 1222117554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it worked after make clean and removing cfunge build tree in there
< 1222117617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work cross-compiling yet
< 1222117636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to tell automake to build with native compiler rather than cross-compiler even in a cross-compilation build
< 1222117657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm
< 1222117668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah wait
< 1222117674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are three flags
< 1222117680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--host --build --target
< 1222117683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for gcc
< 1222117686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know taht
< 1222117694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't know how Automake handles that situation
< 1222117708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc isn't automake-based IIRC
< 1222117712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh?
< 1222117718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just autoconf
< 1222117721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1222117730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half the makefiles there seem to be generated dynamically as it is
< 1222117733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would think they would use their own stuff
< 1222117746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc-bf even has a Perl script which edits one of the makefiles
< 1222117752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiles once, edits the makefile and recompiles
< 1222117754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, haha
< 1222117757 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they started using autoconf and realized what crap it is before they got to automake
< 1222117761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eugh why?
< 1222117762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the makefile isn't even there to edit before the first compile
< 1222117783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it is better than maintaining the files by hand
< 1222117786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because the makers of gcc in their infinite wisdom didn't forsee that an 8-bit system would need 64-bit emulation libraries
< 1222117794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like cmake or scons beat both however
< 1222117810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though cmake kind of sucks if you build shared libraries
< 1222117814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has issues there
< 1222117833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I had my idea for my own make system
< 1222117838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'll call aimake if I make it
< 1222117838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, haha
< 1222117846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't need any input at all
< 1222117851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh?
< 1222117857 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :runs gcc on every file in the current subdirectory?
< 1222117858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it analyses all the stuff in your directory structure and works out what to do itself
< 1222117866 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222117876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does things like hook into ldd and analyse calls to open to work out dependencies
< 1222117879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to see the efunge build system?
< 1222117881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 2 lines:
< 1222117889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{['src/*'],[{outdir, ebin},warn_obsolete_guard,warn_untyped_record,warn_unused_import,warn_missing_spec_all]}.
< 1222117889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{['src/fingerprints/*'],[{outdir, ebin},warn_obsolete_guard,warn_untyped_record,warn_unused_import,warn_missing_spec_all]}.
< 1222117894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emakefile
< 1222117915 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the fingerprint .spec files
< 1222117921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a Makefile wrapper of 7 lines to have a make all target and clean
< 1222117929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not part of build system
< 1222117932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are maintainer scripts
< 1222117935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coded in bash
< 1222117956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the spec files just describe the fingerprints
< 1222117971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're native build helpers
< 1222117979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/VS8txA72.html
< 1222117980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that
< 1222117981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ?
< 1222117987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sort of thing that can be expressed in Automake which for some reason doesn't realise that they shouldn't be cross-compiled
< 1222118000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's data for a native build helper
< 1222118003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah
< 1222118010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably idiotism.oil is the same in C-INTERCAL
< 1222118015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, .spec?
< 1222118017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's quite a bit more complicated than those .spec files
< 1222118019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean?
< 1222118024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, as .sepc
< 1222118025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fingerprint specifications
< 1222118028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ep/pe/
< 1222118028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spec*
< 1222118035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in terms of the effect it has on the build
< 1222118036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well extension reuse :P
< 1222118055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: C-INTERCAL has plain-text documentation for many of the example programs, with extension .doc
< 1222118063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes indeed
< 1222118063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason things keep assuming it's MS-Word files...
< 1222118071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we were here first!
< 1222118091 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.doc is much older than MS Word
< 1222118151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway the bash scripts that process those .spec files are large
< 1222118161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they contain here documents with parts of the file
< 1222118186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/LekfKu32.html
< 1222118190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to generate the fingerprint list
< 1222118194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops still says cfunge
< 1222118199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the efunge version actually
< 1222118204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ported them to efunge :(
< 1222118208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)*
< 1222118257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cfunge ones are similiar but make use of more of the fields in the .spec files
< 1222118536 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, http://tusho.net/blog/ redesign launched
< 1222118654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad
< 1222118659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is that some genuine data on your blog/
< 1222118718 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 'genuine data'?
< 1222118731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, something other than testing
< 1222118736 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222118737 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap
< 1222118739 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the dates are wrong
< 1222118740 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD
< 1222118776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you refresh you will see that there has been actual posts there regularly since its startu
< 1222118777 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p
< 1222118787 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1222118788 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i broked it again
< 1222118817 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, if you refresh *now*
< 1222118859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1222118884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://bzr.kuonet.org/efunge/b98/files
< 1222118897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that feature branch is ready to merge into trunk soon
< 1222118898 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, admittedly there was a 10 day gap after nazi dinosaurs
< 1222118905 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nazi dinosaurs have that big of an impact, you know?
< 1222118909 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they count for like 10 posts on their own
< 1222118943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222118953 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ a nazi dinosaur's work
< 1222118987 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222118987 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222119017 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haldo.
< 1222119070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pikhq
< 1222119178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, mention a mail client for linux that supports your email address please
< 1222119183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any at all
< 1222119192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netcat
< 1222119202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah, mutt? pine?
< 1222119213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try GNU mail, to see if it works
< 1222119289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, GNU mail works just fine
< 1222119297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you escape the parens from bash when invoking it
< 1222119313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any GUI one?
< 1222119319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least ncruses one?
< 1222119362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evolution failed
< 1222119371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, mutt?
< 1222119371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it managed the nested comments, but the \) fooled it
< 1222119380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have mutt over here
< 1222119383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, report a bug :)
< 1222119386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pine?
< 1222119398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: presumably they'll claim that escaping \ in the To address is a feature
< 1222119415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is against the specs?
< 1222119421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delivery to the following recipients failed.
< 1222119421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       "ais523(524\\)(525)x)"@bham.ac.uk@adf.bham.ac.uk
< 1222119430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you have to escape \ to put it into an email address
< 1222119443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that's weirder breakage than I was expecting, in that bounce message
< 1222119463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is I was using \ as an escape character, not as a character in the address
< 1222119480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well is that allowed?
< 1222119488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do the specs say?
< 1222119498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pine handle it
< 1222119502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handles*
< 1222119504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think you're getting what's going on here
< 1222119513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to insert a literal \ in an email address you have to type it as \\
< 1222119519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah
< 1222119526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well pine handles your
< 1222119526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, if you want to insert a literal ) you have to type it as \)
< 1222119552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I tried and as soon as I stopped editing the field it stripped the comment
< 1222119553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :properly
< 1222119571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done pine!
< 1222119588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pine is curses based if you don't know
< 1222119588 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pine ftw
< 1222119598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never cared much about liceses
< 1222119600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I assume you do
< 1222119605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pine is good for me
< 1222119610 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I use gmail.com
< 1222119611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222119617 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(e-mail_client)
< 1222119622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The successor to Pine.
< 1222119722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, mutt fails
< 1222119732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To: "524)(525)x" <ais523@bham.ac.uk>
< 1222119741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or maybe not
< 1222119744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1222119746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another interesting breakage...
< 1222119755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that may be correct
< 1222119765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's extracted the text of the comment and is using it as the realname
< 1222119772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting thing to do with the comment, I suppose
< 1222119806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if I enter the full "Alex Smith <ais523(524\)(525)x)@bham.ac.uk>" it works
< 1222119810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      To: Alex Smith <ais523@bham.ac.uk>
< 1222119819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was when I just entered ais523(524\)(525)x)@bham.ac.uk
< 1222119822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I got the other one
< 1222119826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking the realname from the comment is quite clever, really
< 1222119835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in other words, most decent email clients succeed
< 1222119846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tried on Outlook Web Access; it wouldn't even let me send)
< 1222119863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1222119950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, file a bug against evolution
< 1222119967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and put yourself on CC on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147346
< 1222119973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with that email*
< 1222119975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222120001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bug creates legal issues according to U.S. law since e.g. a trademark in a
< 1222120001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :company's email address cannot be protected by the (tm) comment correctly.
< 1222120012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1222120034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hehehe?
< 1222120036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my
< 1222120048 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's an amusing joke
< 1222120050 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222120055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$.==1 || $.==4 and print $.==1?"[[\n":"]]\n"
< 1222120061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/4/3/
< 1222120071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, intercal? perl? line noise?
< 1222120081 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is obviously not intercal
< 1222120082 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is perl
< 1222120086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl
< 1222120090 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | my program is provably correct
< 1222120092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite readable for Perl, too
< 1222120095 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1222120096 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win topic is win
< 1222120104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well line noise
< 1222120112 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahh
< 1222120112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you ever /seen/ line noise?
< 1222120115 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you joked that perl was line noise
< 1222120122 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, it's as funny as it was in 1990!
< 1222120129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahahahahahhahahaha
< 1222120152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Perl ;)
< 1222120158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes really
< 1222120163 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahahaha! you repeated the same joke!
< 1222120166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen as in on ocilocope
< 1222120169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err spelling
< 1222120172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The e-mail address you entered (ais523(524\)(525)x)@bham.ac.uk) didn't pass our syntax checking for a legal email address. A legal address must contain exactly one '@', and at least one '.' after the @, and may not contain any commas or spaces. It must also not contain any of these special characters: \ ( ) & < > , ; : " [ ], or any whitespace.
< 1222120172 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my, your comedy is truly the highest quality in the world
< 1222120191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what website?
< 1222120199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and send an email complaining
< 1222120201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the bug
< 1222120204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugzilla.mozilla.org
< 1222120218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, file a bug against bugzilla (use your normal email for now)
< 1222120219 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1222120220 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1222120236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this will be fun :)
< 1222120243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I'm just going to utterly fail to be able to file the bug due to the infinite regress involved
< 1222120259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, revert to normal email for now?
< 1222120264 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 'normal email'
< 1222120266 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his email address is:
< 1222120272 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523(524\)(525)x)@bham.ac.uk
< 1222120274 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using another would be dishonest
< 1222120278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1222120287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no clearly that email address is contrived
< 1222120295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have to move to another one after a year or so anyway
< 1222120296 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what?! you mean that one is dishonest?
< 1222120301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just contrived
< 1222120303 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected more from you, ais523...
< 1222120309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comments are pretty accurate for a programmer like me, after all
< 1222120321 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I wonder what email ais523 will switch to...
< 1222120325 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd never use a hosted solution
< 1222120327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I'm going to file bugs for all websites I use, from now on I will use nested comments when I register
< 1222120331 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll probably have to set up postfix on rutian
< 1222120341 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what domain...
< 1222120343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should it faill I will register with comment free email and file a bug
< 1222120344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222120344 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably eso-std.org
< 1222120355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you never know, I have working email on Normish
< 1222120356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, qmail!
< 1222120358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs
< 1222120365 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: now THAT is playing with fire...
< 1222120375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes I prefer netqmail)
< 1222120385 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how does a djb know what a license is?
< 1222120397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well public domain works
< 1222120401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is good software
< 1222120405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if you would care anyway
< 1222120417 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: until recently it wasn't licensed like that
< 1222120425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, very true
< 1222120427 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :djb's position on licenses is fundamentally flawed and i'm not risking myself legally like that
< 1222120435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and thus until recently I used postfix
< 1222120438 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus on principle i don't want to support software licensed like that
< 1222120449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I had tried qmail out and noted how much better it was
< 1222120453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: so this is why you exclusively use programs licenced under GPL3, right?
< 1222120461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222120470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, i use things licensed with licenses that aren't completely broken
< 1222120476 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate the gpl3, but i wouldn't argue it is completely broken
< 1222120494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: for ages CLC-INTERCAL's licence agreement was given in source form and had to be compiled in order for you to read it
< 1222120506 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is brilliant
< 1222120506 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222120509 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably legally invalid
< 1222120511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222120515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's just BSD3 anyway
< 1222120527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some trivial variant of it
< 1222120532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could compile it in your head
< 1222120559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I fear it may have been written in CLC-INTERCAL
< 1222120563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is written in itself
< 1222120574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um isn't it in perl?
< 1222120577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they supply a pre-compiled version in ICBM so you can get started
< 1222120577 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no
< 1222120582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ICBM interpreter is written in Perl
< 1222120584 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its written in itself,
< 1222120590 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using its perl ffi
< 1222120591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah
< 1222120593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1222120598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL is written in CLC-INTERCAL, and compiles to bytecode
< 1222120607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Perl programs are to interpret the resulting bytecode.
< 1222120607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, byte code of what?
< 1222120611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the program you compiled
< 1222120615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, argh
< 1222120622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or of the compiler, for that matter
< 1222120636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, writing an intercal compiler in intercal is pretty hard I bet
< 1222120642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much harder than in C
< 1222120646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way way harder
< 1222120650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a different set of syntax for the compilation than for the main programming
< 1222120656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler's nothing but CREATE statements
< 1222120661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, huh, that's cheating ;P
< 1222120666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bytecode has lots of features, like COME FROM, that make it easy to compile into
< 1222120669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICBM is the compiler?
< 1222120674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, ICBM is the bytecode
< 1222120804 0 :CO2Games!n=CO2Games@75-173-245-211.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222120836 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1222121148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is the compiler then?
< 1222121164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the byte code interpreter?
< 1222121166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are various compilers
< 1222121173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of which are written in IACC
< 1222121180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IACC?
< 1222121185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the compilers itself compiles IACC into ICBM
< 1222121195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a Perl program interprets the ICBM
< 1222121203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is *worse* than C-INTERCAL
< 1222121207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :/
< 1222121209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said it wasn't!
< 1222121223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the IACC compiler is written in IACC and compiles IACC to ICBM.
< 1222121237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other compilers compile CLC-INTERCAL, and other related languages, to ICBM, and are written in IACC.
< 1222121239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, bootstrapping it must have been a hell
< 1222121246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ICBM interpreter is written in Perl.
< 1222121256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, that's what I think too, probably
< 1222121279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they should write an ICBM -> C compiler in IACC :D
< 1222121283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1222121289 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.68.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222121289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however compiling iacc.iacc into iacc.io (where io is the extension for ICBM) probably isn't ridiculously difficult by hand as it's all CREATE statements
< 1222121306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... let me type that again so tusho can see it
< 1222121309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the IACC compiler is written in IACC and compiles IACC to ICBM.
< 1222121315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other compilers compile CLC-INTERCAL, and other related languages, to ICBM, and are written in IACC.
< 1222121318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ICBM interpreter is written in Perl.
< 1222121330 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not the best time. Sorry.
< 1222121354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the odds are that anyone but them and Claudio Calvelli really have the faintest idea of how CLC-INTERCAL works internally
< 1222121377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does anyone but you understand the internals of ick?
< 1222121381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly don't
< 1222121381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1222121387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all I didn't even write some of them!
< 1222121391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah true
< 1222121401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Joris keeps sending patches to various parts of it, usually the optimiser
< 1222121414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did Claudio Calvelli alone write CLC?
< 1222121418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1222121428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was clc released
< 1222121431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no patches?
< 1222121434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I submitted bug reports now and again
< 1222121439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they didn't come with patches
< 1222121458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one came with a patch described in English, but Claudio had to translate it to Perl, so that doesn't count
< 1222121490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you understand the internals of clc?
< 1222121495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to any degree at all
< 1222121497 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1222121504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, to some extent
< 1222121510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not nearly as well as Claudio does, though
< 1222121525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and the opposite is true for ick I guess?
< 1222121527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to port it to DOS once but gave up
< 1222121532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he knows it somewhat)
< 1222121536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, haha
< 1222121540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how much Claudio knows about C-INTERCAL's internals
< 1222121544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222121554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess he knows a bit, but am not sure as to the extent
< 1222121576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had to correct him on the details of CLC-INTERCAL's C-INTERCAL emulation mode from time to time, so not the details
< 1222121598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does ick offer clc-emulation?
< 1222121604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes to some extent
< 1222121611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the features are just impossible to emulate in a compiled language
< 1222121615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and others I never got round to writing
< 1222121624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of the emulation is buggy
< 1222121625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1222121637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it tries
< 1222121641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I the emulation is buggy the other way too?
< 1222121647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly
< 1222121657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again CLC-INTERCAL doesn't support some of C-INTERCAL's newest features
< 1222121679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they use different syntax by default, but each can emulate the other's syntax more or less perfectly
< 1222121687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have an idea for how to handle memory leaks in the compiler itself. Not sure how esoteric it would be
< 1222121696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pretty strange" for ick though
< 1222121707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't matter, any idea no matter how sane is esoteric when applied to the C-INTERCAL source
< 1222121714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to how you have to contort it to make it fit
< 1222121715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Boehm-GC
< 1222121717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222121727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't handling memory leaks!
< 1222121731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just pretending they don't exist
< 1222121732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it isn't?
< 1222121736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, I don't think it would help
< 1222121736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry
< 1222121740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, really?
< 1222121744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the memory leaks aren't actually harmful
< 1222121756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as C-INTERCAL allocates all the memory, then deallocates it all with basically no allocations involved
< 1222121759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the way it works
< 1222121772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly that's why fixing them's a low priority
< 1222121786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the optimiser is definitely free from leaks as that's generated code, i hope
< 1222121790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ i / I /
< 1222121808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cfunge have no memory leaks or fd leaks. Some fingerprints do leave still allocated (and reachable data) and FILE and SOCK offers the ability to leave open fds around
< 1222121829 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleah
< 1222121835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this you can use to debug *befunge scripts* in valgrind
< 1222121839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found that useful
< 1222121848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found a fd leak in fungot some time ago for example
< 1222121849 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that would just add to the pipe.
< 1222121850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just write your own befungegrind
< 1222121859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh very hard
< 1222121863 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1222121870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is so self modifying
< 1222121875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that matter, if INTERCAL had a memory-allocation statement, simply NEXTING FROM it would let you track all the allocations and deallocations
< 1222121888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IFFI doesn't have NEXT FROM gerund, though
< 1222121888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and the only issues are FILE and SOCK fingerprints basically
< 1222121891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should add that
< 1222121893 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: NEXT FROM is post-come-from?
< 1222121899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no
< 1222121904 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i mean
< 1222121905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's COME FROM but saves a return address
< 1222121907 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222121909 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway.
< 1222121910 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleah
< 1222121914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before the thing it comes from
< 1222121923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1222121927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can next from it, change things, then drop back to exactly where in the code you were
< 1222121939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and yes I guess you could add it to IFFI, it is not like anyone else realistically even can implement it ;P
< 1222121950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be so hard on yourself
< 1222121952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very very specific to ick and patched cfunge
< 1222121956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't exactly all that difficult
< 1222121971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, really? Well I guess CLC could implement it
< 1222121973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should find another C-compatible Funge-98 interp and patch that too to demonstrate
< 1222121988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, rc/funge is always threaded iirc
< 1222122006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, apart from that there aren't any good ones iirc
< 1222122016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'll just patch a bad one then
< 1222122017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ccbi would work
< 1222122023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I don't know D, though
< 1222122027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to learn it first
< 1222122029 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you wouldn't have to
< 1222122033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C <-> D interface hm
< 1222122034 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just copypaste his fingerprints and interface to c
< 1222122038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's simple
< 1222122040 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use extern
< 1222122042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you have to insert something around the main loop
< 1222122044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and ccbi also always concurrent
< 1222122048 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, but that wouldn't be too hard
< 1222122048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wouldn't work
< 1222122055 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could figure it out by trial & error and reading what he's got
< 1222122058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also just disabling t would likely be fine
< 1222122062 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D isn't taht weird
< 1222122063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could alter the code to make it reflect
< 1222122064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm
< 1222122077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as there's only one thread it doesn't matter that the interp is threaded
< 1222122090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yep, I believe ccbi use a table of function pointers
< 1222122098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so simply removing the t entry should should do it
< 1222122110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ask Deewiant to be sure
< 1222122141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders concurrent efunge. It would be way way more fun if it didn't have to be synced
< 1222122164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, is it possible to implement MVRS but not t i or o=
< 1222122166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1222122186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he is sleeping
< 1222122298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, efunge may be not be deathstation 9000 but I'll try to make it deathstation[9|0] at least ;P
< 1222122324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is 0 a list, or is that unusual head-tail syntax?
< 1222122349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's 9 followed by an infinite number of 0s, that's easy to express in Prolog (although it sends the interp into an infinite loop if you try)
< 1222122358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also easy to express in Haskell where it actually works
< 1222122358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you would normally write [9, 0] there for the list, but you can construct lists like that yes
< 1222122360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of compex
< 1222122368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Prolog it would be [9|[0]]
< 1222122378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I believe those would do the same in erlang
< 1222122378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the thing after the | is a list itself
< 1222122380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check
< 1222122397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait
< 1222122400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1> [9|0].
< 1222122400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[9|0]
< 1222122400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2> [9|[0]].
< 1222122400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[9,0]
< 1222122406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was wrong
< 1222122408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1222122421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lets make it deathstation{9, 0} ;)
< 1222122426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even better
< 1222122497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lets make it deathstation<<9:4/unsigned-big, 0>>.
< 1222122497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;)
< 1222122503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, :D
< 1222122515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you laughing at now?
< 1222122526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6> <<9:4/unsigned-big, 0>>.
< 1222122526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<144,0:4>>
< 1222122532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bitstring
< 1222122535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a binary
< 1222122542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a binary must be whole bytes
< 1222122553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while a bitstring can be sub-byte size
< 1222122586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think it 9 encoded in a nibble as unsigned big endian followed by 0
< 1222122601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that doesn't work
< 1222122613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the bit syntax is sometimes *too* powerful
< 1222122626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 4 may be bytes or bits not sure
< 1222122649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bits
< 1222122676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1222122677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7> <<9:5/unsigned-big, 2:3/signed-little>>.
< 1222122677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<"J">>
< 1222122688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J is 74
< 1222122688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no it doesn't make sense)
< 1222122692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1222122694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that helps
< 1222122707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is slightly worried that they could calculate that in their head
< 1222122715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hahaha
< 1222122721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did?
< 1222122722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1222122725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is 65
< 1222122729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so @ is 64
< 1222122731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and J is 74
< 1222122733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm ok
< 1222122740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember those details
< 1222122745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what has @ got to do with it?
< 1222122750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ comes before A
< 1222122756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and?
< 1222122784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so @ + (position of letter in alphabet) = (ASCII code for that capital letter)
< 1222122800 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdfdhg
< 1222122816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, tell me if you think this makes sense: 15> <<9:5, -2:3>>.
< 1222122816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<"N">>
< 1222122836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first is 5 bits the next is 3 bits
< 1222122837 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fhg
< 1222122843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, N is 78
< 1222122856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is 00101110
< 1222122861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do TURKEY BOMB in it
< 1222122867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but almost ;)
< 1222122877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-2 in 3 bits is 110 so that makes sense
< 1222122892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 in 5 bits is 01001 which makes less sense
< 1222122916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not entirely sure where that N comes from
< 1222122933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what would you get it to?
< 1222122954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1222122954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01001110?
< 1222122960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I set the wrong bit
< 1222122964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you add them after each other
< 1222122964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1222122966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 01001110='N'
< 1222122966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17> 2#01001110.
< 1222122966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :78
< 1222122970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's right
< 1222122971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1222122977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I simply screwed up translating 'N' into binary
< 1222122981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1222122993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a syntax for extracting individual bits too?
< 1222122998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, write mingle, now!
< 1222123001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sure I:1
< 1222123010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me show you
< 1222123053 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh.
< 1222123061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<a:15, b:15, a:14, b:14, a:13, b:13, a:12, b:12, a:11, b:11, a:10, b:10, a:9, b:9, a:8, b:8, a:7, b:7, a:6, b:6, a:5, b:5, a:4, b:4, a:3, b:3, a:2, b:2, a:1, b:1, a:0, b:0>>
< 1222123064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was easy
< 1222123068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and way more readable than tusho's
< 1222123078 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blearearerh.
< 1222123090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming I've got the syntax right
< 1222123095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be something like that even if I haven't
< 1222123097 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1222123143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222123162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222123162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1> MyBin = <<9:5/unsigned-big, -2:3/unsigned>>.
< 1222123163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<"N">>
< 1222123170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2> <<FirstBit:1,Tail/bitstring>> = MyBin.
< 1222123170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<"N">>
< 1222123176 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222123176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3> {FirstBit, Tail}.
< 1222123176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{0,<<78:7>>}
< 1222123176 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222123181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1222123184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> 1> MyBin = <<9:5/unsigned-big, -2:3/unsigned>>.
< 1222123184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> <<"N">>
< 1222123184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> 2> <<FirstBit:1,Tail/bitstring>> = MyBin.
< 1222123184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> <<"N">>
< 1222123184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> 3> {FirstBit, Tail}.
< 1222123185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> {0,<<78:7>>}
< 1222123185 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1222123202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to write a function that interated over it
< 1222123204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a sec
< 1222123218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urk
< 1222123220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> <<a:15, b:15, a:14, b:14, a:13, b:13, a:12, b:12, a:11, b:11, a:10, b:10, a:9, b:9, a:8, b:8, a:7, b:7, a:6, b:6, a:5, b:5, a:4, b:4, a:3, b:3, a:2, b:2, a:1, b:1, a:0, b:0>>
< 1222123222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what are you trying to do now, select?
< 1222123224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5> <<a:15, b:15, a:14, b:14, a:13, b:13, a:12, b:12, a:11, b:11, a:10, b:10, a:9, b:9, a:8, b:8, a:7, b:7, a:6, b:6, a:5, b:5, a:4, b:4, a:3, b:3, a:2, b:2, a:1, b:1, a:0, b:0>>.
< 1222123224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :** exception error: bad argument
< 1222123231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, :0 doesn't work
< 1222123244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also lower case = atom
< 1222123244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the first bit called then?
< 1222123254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upper case = Variable
< 1222123263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and same case syntax as Prolog I see
< 1222123264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um that defines how many bits that field have
< 1222123271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the index of the bit
< 1222123278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, how do you extract one bit then?
< 1222123299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well you could so A:1, B:1, C:1 and so on, or you could do a tail recursive loop of some sort
< 1222123313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would do a tail recursive loop
< 1222123317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extracting head bit every time
< 1222123326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe two head bits
< 1222123332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then adding each to an accumulator
< 1222123338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are trying to separate them
< 1222123345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are building you want the reverse
< 1222123358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in both cases you want a tail recursive loop
< 1222123376 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ha, my version is more readable then
< 1222123396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you want to join them? one bit from each?
< 1222123405 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he wants to mingle.
< 1222123426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I don't remember what that meant
< 1222123433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: alternate bits in the two numbers
< 1222123440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right
< 1222123470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQ mingle RSTUVWXYZ1234567 = RASB(etc)
< 1222123531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite
< 1222123536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got the arguments the wrong way round
< 1222123542 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1222123543 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1222123549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARBSCT and so on
< 1222123654 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222123682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can you give me two numbers to test on and the result
< 1222123685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32-bit ones please
< 1222123703 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222123732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :65535 $ 0 = 2863311530
< 1222123739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a nice simple one to start off with
< 1222123749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, input is 16 bits and output 32?
< 1222123754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in INTERCAL
< 1222123761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although doing it with more bits gives the same answer
< 1222123770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7> mingle:mingle(65535, 0).
< 1222123770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2863311530
< 1222123793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://rafb.net/p/WZOfED60.html
< 1222123795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64280 $ 64280 is 4294901760 IIRC
< 1222123814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok there may be a bug then:
< 1222123820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait typoed
< 1222123826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that definition looks right
< 1222123828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes
< 1222123830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9> mingle:mingle(64280, 64280).
< 1222123830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :62977023
< 1222123832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very Prolog-like
< 1222123832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure?
< 1222123846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that answer is far too low to be correct
< 1222123853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, some bug then
< 1222123863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, need to sleep though soon
< 1222123910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe it's treating the numbers as signed or something like that and getting confused?
< 1222123912 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222123954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what endian?
< 1222123963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, default is big endian in erlang binaries
< 1222123970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it matters but...
< 1222123992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could matter if it isn't being abstracted away
< 1222124008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try 0x1234 $ 0x4321
< 1222124011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and give the result in hex, please
< 1222124018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16#1234
< 1222124021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean
< 1222124023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222124095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14> io:format("~.16B~n", [mingle:mingle(16#1234, 16#4321)]).
< 1222124095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :48B07084
< 1222124119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I get different results if I put /native in the mingle/2 (the wrapper function)
< 1222124128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that probably is the problem
< 1222124135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me reinstall C-INTERCAL to check what the answer should be
< 1222124137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16> io:format("~.16B~n", [mingle:mingle(16#1234, 16#4321)]).
< 1222124137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B0488470
< 1222124140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, with native
< 1222124140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I uninstalled it to test the build process
< 1222124235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however maybe it should in fact be /little not /native, don't have any big endian system to check on
< 1222124247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is /little
< 1222124283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the actual answer is 0x120d0e21 according to C-INTERCAL
< 1222124294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, huh
< 1222124298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes sense, it fits in with what I know about mingling
< 1222124309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what may the issue be then?
< 1222124324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19> io:format("~.2B~n", [mingle:mingle(16#1234, 16#4321)]).
< 1222124324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10110000010010001000010001110000
< 1222124335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, give me bit pattern for icks result
< 1222124365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10010000011010000111000100001
< 1222124376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that makes no sensed
< 1222124379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sense*
< 1222124402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hey I get that using /big
< 1222124412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost
< 1222124416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10010000011010000111000100001
< 1222124422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22> io:format("~.2B~n", [mingle:mingle(16#1234, 16#4321)]).
< 1222124422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1001000101100000111000010000100
< 1222124425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is big
< 1222124427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread
< 1222124427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, #esoteric blocks colours, doesn't it?
< 1222124433 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1222124434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1222124443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is with every other bit in bold
< 1222124480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes right, doesn't explain the result I got
< 1222124494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bold bits spell out 4321, the unbold bits spell out 1234
< 1222124497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mine
< 1222124661 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't see the bold, ais523
< 1222124670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: AnMaster can, I sent it to him in /msg
< 1222124704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's result is right when written backwards in middle-endian
< 1222124708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't really make sense at all
< 1222124939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, moving back here
< 1222124953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the problem is that the bits come out in the wrong order, backwards to be precise
< 1222124959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222124965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just get the solution with bits backwards, then reverse the bits pairwise
< 1222124968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1222124971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fully backwards?
< 1222124977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pairwise backwards
< 1222124977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh pairwise
< 1222124982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first pair, then the second, then so on
< 1222124991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is there a way to avoid doing it in pairs I wonder?
< 1222124992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can easily generate pairs the other way round to make it truly backwards
< 1222124996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1222124997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just swap the arguments for that matter
< 1222125003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that would be more effective
< 1222125015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think you mean "efficient" not "effective"
< 1222125023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lists:reverse() wonder if there is a reverse for binaries too?
< 1222125027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my solution was effective (i.e. it worked) just not efficient (i.e. it wasn't fast)
< 1222125040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bit-reversal is one of INTERCAL's strong points, most languages aren't nearly as good at it
< 1222125049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is decent, though, once you know the tricks
< 1222125058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah
< 1222125062 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder...
< 1222125063 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this operator
< 1222125069 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x<<1)~x
< 1222125089 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1010 = 1011
< 1222125090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: for each 1, it looks to see if there's a 1 to its left
< 1222125092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and returns the result
< 1222125101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeragh
< 1222125105 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha, that is great
< 1222125108 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any practical applications?
< 1222125110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you get the set of digits to the left of 1s
< 1222125125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, arithmetic's all about this sort of thing in practice
< 1222125130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ~ now again? bitwise not?
< 1222125133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: select
< 1222125134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1222125136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222125138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ais523
< 1222125140 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the C meaning
< 1222125148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: bitwise not only takes one argument, though
< 1222125149 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait
< 1222125151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(X bsl 1) bnot X
< 1222125153 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, i mean
< 1222125154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly
< 1222125156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it was INTERCAL select because you gave it two arguments
< 1222125160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222125163 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1111 ~ 0000 = 1111
< 1222125168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that confused me too
< 1222125169 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1111 ~ 1010 = 0101
< 1222125173 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the operator i'm talking about
< 1222125180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what happens when the first arg isn't 1111?
< 1222125182 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last argument is a pattern: for every 1, that bit is NOT'd in the left argument
< 1222125184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwise xor?
< 1222125187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwise xnor
< 1222125191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the complement of xor
< 1222125192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ARGH
< 1222125194 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for every 1 in the second argument, the bit at the same position is NOT'd in the left argument
< 1222125196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what tusho's trying to describe
< 1222125202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my dyadic ~
< 1222125202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222125210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no
< 1222125219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just bitwise XOR that tusho's described
< 1222125222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is called ^ in C
< 1222125226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222125226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a perfectly good name already
< 1222125227 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1222125227 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1222125228 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222125231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1222125236 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the op is (x<<1)^x
< 1222125238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(X bsl 1) bxor X
< 1222125239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222125243 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does THAT do, apart from what it says
< 1222125244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in erlang
< 1222125245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (x << 1)^x is INTERCAL xor
< 1222125245 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, anything useful
< 1222125251 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it? bahhahaha
< 1222125255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that INTERCAL xor does a rotate not a select
< 1222125260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/select/shift/
< 1222125268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in the top bit of x << 1 gets copied to the bottom bit
< 1222125275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of a bitshift with carry
< 1222125287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does have uses, the implementation of greater-than for instance
< 1222125289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is an x86 instruction for it iirc
< 1222125295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is one of the great triumphs of INTERCAL-72
< 1222125299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROT or something like that
< 1222125301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, lots of machines have rotate instructions
< 1222125307 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is this
< 1222125315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is what?
< 1222125322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no mainstream high level languages seem to offer it
< 1222125322 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1222125325 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm making up a silly thing
< 1222125326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strange
< 1222125328 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x>>(x<<1)
< 1222125348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: destroys the sign bit and copies it from the bit above it, if signed
< 1222125354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/above/below/
< 1222125361 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is great
< 1222125368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, moves?
< 1222125371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if unsigned it's boring, it's just x & ((1 << (bits-1))-1)
< 1222125385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ?
< 1222125391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you said copy
< 1222125394 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's returning 0 for me, always
< 1222125399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't it move the whole number one step?
< 1222125403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: whoops, I misread it
< 1222125408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I calculated (x<<1)>>1
< 1222125423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you wrote always returns 0 with a positive argument
< 1222125428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is undefined with a negative argument
< 1222125431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just stupid
< 1222125440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, undefined with negative? how so?
< 1222125449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: shift a negative amount
< 1222125458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention the overflow if the argument happens to be INT_MIN
< 1222125543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222125552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would shift the other way obviously
< 1222125569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that defined in C/
< 1222125573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nop
< 1222125580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I know of
< 1222125802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually I was wrong, for lists access at head is more effective
< 1222125816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for binaries reading at head and writing at tail is most efficient
< 1222125849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/effective/efficient/
< 1222125862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh yes
< 1222125875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :effektivt in Swedish
< 1222125887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is closer to the former
< 1222125893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the confusion
< 1222126046 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222126382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you think the result was elegant btw?
< 1222126387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I do
< 1222126390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I have to go home now
< 1222126392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"9"
< 1222126486 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta ask him about that quit message
< 1222126496 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number 9 has been bugging me for weeks
< 1222126506 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be in my head every time i close my eyes
< 1222126512 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which ->
< 1222126787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1222126795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as well)
< 1222128876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1222133062 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
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< 1222133253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1222133745 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
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< 1222135953 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to come up with a very simple set of Thue rules that are... Thue-complete.
< 1222136011 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that any Thue program can be converted into a Thue subprogram under these rules that runs with just as much nondeterminism, just as quickly.
< 1222136113 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And after doing that, I want to engineer bacteria that rewrite strands of nucleic acid according to those rules.
< 1222136342 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me on a test: "Client, server, and circuit are NOT the three hardware components of a network, because client and server are properties of the software, not hardware. However, that was probably the anticipated response"
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< 1222141690 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | afk eating cake and drinking coffe
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< 1222146852 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222147514 0 :HanDongSeong!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"염장"
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< 1222151679 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :puzzlet
< 1222152256 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1222163290 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | how would the code for C-INTERCAL be compiled on that? you would need to convert to tri-graphs right?
< 1222163924 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly speaking i don't get the topic
< 1222165071 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trigraphs are a relatively rare C feature to cope with systems whose character sets do not include the characters C needs. For example you can write "??/" to get a "\", so you can use "??/n" as a newline in a string constant.
< 1222165166 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC does those when called with -trigraphs or -std=c<something>.
< 1222165186 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I assume the topic is about some system with a limited character set, or something.
< 1222165238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An EBCDIC system, it seems. Not unsurprising.
< 1222165291 0 :kar8ng1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1222165378 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember there being an amusing snippet about trigraphs in the GCC documentation, but can't seem to find it now.
< 1222165463 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1222166772 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1222167757 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So, how much do you love noodles?"
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< 1222172807 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1222172846 0 :kar8ng1!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222172949 0 :kar8ng1!n=kar8nga@k-237.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222173173 0 :kar8ng1!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1222173586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes the topic
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< 1222175038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222175049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1222175060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i absolutely won that one
< 1222175066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1222175076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I didn't start typing until after you'd finished
< 1222175076 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joined 2008-09-23 13:03:37 +0100
< 1222175079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sent message two seconds later
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< 1222175889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm I think I managed to implement the select operator in erlang too
< 1222175902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got some tests? the ones I tried seem to work
< 1222175937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't have tests offhand but I can just try putting some random big numbers into intercalc
< 1222176038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'#12345$#12345'~#58990 is CXIII (or 113)
< 1222176046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a random test case I used on INTERCAL
< 1222176049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*INTERCALC
< 1222176079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um that would be select(mingle(12345, 12345), 58990) ?
< 1222176094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222176104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7> intercal:select(intercal:mingle(12345, 12345), 58990).
< 1222176104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :807
< 1222176105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222176107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222176114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5> io:format("~.2B~n", [intercal:select(2#11100, 2#10101)]).
< 1222176114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :110
< 1222176120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is correct I think?
< 1222176131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's correct
< 1222176142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet I get 807 for your instead of 113
< 1222176146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... try with a number more than 16 bits long
< 1222176162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1> intercal:mingle(12345, 12345).
< 1222176162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1032975
< 1222176166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1222176175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something really simple like intercal:select(2#11001100110011001100, 2#1010101010101010101010)
< 1222176184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: let me check, I calculated it but the answer came out in Roman numerals
< 1222176227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25165122525 is the actual answer from the mingle
< 1222176234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wtf :/
< 1222176240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9> io:format("~.2B~n", [intercal:select(2#11001100110011001100, 2#1010101010101010101010)]).
< 1222176240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1010101010
< 1222176246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that select looks right
< 1222176251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my guess is it's mingle playing up again
< 1222176267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw select uses big endian, didn't work otherwise
< 1222176282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should just be some option to use maths-endian
< 1222176305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm? There is native too
< 1222176312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the mingle:
< 1222176314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10> io:format("~.2B~n", [intercal:mingle(12345, 12345)]).
< 1222176314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11111100001100001111
< 1222176325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 12345 in binary?
< 1222176338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11> io:format("~.2B~n", [12345]).
< 1222176338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11000000111001
< 1222176353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that mingle's wrong
< 1222176370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm having problems figuring out wtf it's done to the bit order
< 1222176379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all your versions of mingle seem to output the right bits in the wrong order
< 1222176398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is the same one that we thought worked yesterday
< 1222176404 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222176405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222176408 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1222176413 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222176435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you said it should be 25165122525?
< 1222176446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222176448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10111011011111101010100101111011101
< 1222176453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't even close
< 1222176454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I typoed
< 1222176458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roman numerals are hard to read
< 1222176468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer should definitely have 1s and 0s in pairs
< 1222176495 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@d11-83.rb.gh.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222176517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\C\C\L\IdclxiiCCLXXV in CLC-INTERCAL format
< 1222176526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I can't work that out
< 1222176528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL format requires a fixed-width font and is two lines high
< 1222176531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use some spread function as an intermediate, that just intersperses 0 between all bits
< 1222176543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll use tty.i and a debugger, at least that will get the output in decimal
< 1222176577 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then mingle(x,y) = 2*spread(x) + spread(y)
< 1222176592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C1: Expression is 0xf000fc3
< 1222176595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that was hex
< 1222176602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's what C-INTERCAL does
< 1222176604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 2* and + could easily be done with bit operations instead
< 1222176607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it does it with bit operations
< 1222176613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which is 1111000000000000111111000011
< 1222176618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and different
< 1222176625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that last answer is the right one I think
< 1222176627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*closer* to mine but not that close
< 1222176634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11111100001100001111
< 1222176638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was my result
< 1222176647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :251662275 in decimal
< 1222176657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I know how I misread it
< 1222176664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accidentally read lx as 51 rather than 6
< 1222176676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and likewise LXX as 52 rather than 7
< 1222176682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, my Roman Numerals have got rusty...
< 1222176682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mingle gives 1032975 not 251662275
< 1222176693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's outputting the bits in the wrong order
< 1222176701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes...
< 1222176714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but wrong order *how* this time?
< 1222176716 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: LX is 60, LXX is 70
< 1222176737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, it would be so much easier if the bits were separate colours so we could track them...
< 1222176743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ESOTERIC NEWS BULLETIN
< 1222176743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes, I know, I was referring to the span of digits
< 1222176751 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIS523 RESIGNS AS MAINTAINER OF C-INTERCAL
< 1222176753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you have a paste for that mingle code?
< 1222176754 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha
< 1222176756 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CITES "ROMAN NUMERAL PROBLEMS"
< 1222176757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines beepy music in the background
< 1222176769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sure it is Erlang
< 1222176777 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APPARENTLY ERIC S. RAYMOND, THE ORIGINAL WRITER, IS TAKING OVER
< 1222176780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: nah, I was working on the build system further this morning
< 1222176791 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN AN UNRELATED NOTE, C-INTERCAL USAGE DROPS 70% GOING TO CLC-INTERCAL.
< 1222176792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it now works with -j2 (and presumably with -jN for all N)
< 1222176799 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USERS CITE "ESR" PROBLEMS.
< 1222176799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i mean a link
< 1222176802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, http://rafb.net/p/lrtTEi50.html
< 1222176808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think it works on cross-compile
< 1222176810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU FOR WATCHING. WE'LL BE BACK IN A FEW HOURS.
< 1222176812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*da-da-DA-duh!*
< 1222176820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a cross-compiler here but not an ARM processor to run the results on
< 1222176820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my select is uggly yes
< 1222176861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually I like that select
< 1222176880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be optimised by exploiting the fact that Acc1 is always 0, though
< 1222176889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah no it isn't
< 1222176894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, numerically 0
< 1222176900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but presumably its length matters?
< 1222176905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, problem is knowing the length yes
< 1222176915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to know how much to extract at the end
< 1222176921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch erlang is harder than i hoped
< 1222176932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, seems size() returns whole bytes only
< 1222176955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better way would maybe be incrementing a number to record number of bits
< 1222176963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd like to fix mingle first
< 1222176993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh?
< 1222177032 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: might be just AnMaster's code...
< 1222177044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh <<>> is a kind of bit field record syntax, i guess
< 1222177050 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1222177058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it is binary/bitstring syntax
< 1222177060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse the fact that it's obscure and impossible to read
< 1222177065 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1222177075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious version would just be the first one you pasted, with mingle(T1, T2, <<H1:1, H2:1, Acc/bitstring>>)
< 1222177083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like it should work, but IIRC it didn't
< 1222177092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe I should install Erlang to test stuff
< 1222177094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         a    b    c    d    e    f    g
< 1222177094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct: 1111 0000 0000 0000 1111 1100 0011
< 1222177094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         ae   f    g    bcd  ae
< 1222177094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Mine: 1111 1100 0011 0000 1111
< 1222177099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my analysis
< 1222177119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on nibble-basis I think
< 1222177146 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is "I'm curious, How many redditors listen to NPR (at least one show per day)", a self.reddit post, #1 on reddit.
< 1222177153 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a link to anything. It's just a bunch of people answering a question.
< 1222177160 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it #1 on a site supposed to be links to interesting stuff?
< 1222177176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not nibble-basis at all, it's swapped the first 16 bits with the second 16 bits, but left-justified for some reason
< 1222177189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I pad to the right with 0s (note this is not normally a mathematically sensible operation):
< 1222177202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct: 1111 0000 0000 0000-1111 1100 0011 0000
< 1222177216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours:   1111 1100 0011 0000-1111 0000 0000 0000
< 1222177223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222177230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why is it padding /rightwards/?
< 1222177235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that changes the value of a number
< 1222177245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and numbers don't intrinsically have a particular number of bits
< 1222177257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endianness maybe?
< 1222177265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's using some endianness on the level of bytes?
< 1222177278 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which conflicts with the one inside bytes
< 1222177280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it would have to be middle-endian to swap 16-bit blocks
< 1222177284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing is middle-endian nowadays
< 1222177292 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet erlang is
< 1222177294 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for no reason
< 1222177298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the one of the PDP computers was the most recent to do that
< 1222177304 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=erlang%20middle-endian
< 1222177325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could that :16/little-unsigned qualifier be messing things up?
< 1222177332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the default is big
< 1222177337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the default is indeed big
< 1222177339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unsigned
< 1222177349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, however it didn't work at all with big before
< 1222177352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries again
< 1222177365 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUXI
< 1222177369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so you put Int1 and Int2 as little-endian but the _result_ is interpreted as big
< 1222177374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the final Acc)
< 1222177377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... now big endian
< 1222177377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my guess
< 1222177382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works for this
< 1222177389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24> io:format("~.2B~n", [intercal:mingle(12345, 12345)]).
< 1222177389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1111000000000000111111000011
< 1222177410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, doesn't make any sense though :P
< 1222177428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you have :32/little-unsigned on the result pattern
< 1222177440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads Erlang from the Ubuntu repos
< 1222177442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the docs too
< 1222177471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, erl -man erlang for example for that module, for language ref http://www.erlang.org/doc/reference_manual/part_frame.html
< 1222177544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the docs it should work even with no endianness specifier at all
< 1222177545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is this correct then:
< 1222177546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :29> io:format("~.2B~n", [intercal:mingle(16#1234, 16#4321)]).
< 1222177547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10010000011010000111000100001
< 1222177561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes it does now
< 1222177565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since big is default
< 1222177662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/h1LInl74.html
< 1222177693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think up a sensible way to calculate 16#1234 mingle 16#4321
< 1222177708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 0x1234 0x4321
< 1222177717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16# is just the base
< 1222177723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know
< 1222177731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all INTERCAL calculators take input in decimal though
< 1222177738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I simply used bash to convert to decimal in the end
< 1222177739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can do each hex digit pair separately
< 1222177748 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222177755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :39> 16#4321.
< 1222177755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17185
< 1222177755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :40> 16#1234.
< 1222177755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4660
< 1222177765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C1: Expression is 0x120d0e21
< 1222177770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or in bash: echo $(( 0x1234 ))
< 1222177777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I used the bash echo method
< 1222177794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :120D0E21
< 1222177795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1222177858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I think my last mingle works now
< 1222177880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42> intercal:select(intercal:mingle(12345, 12345), 58990).
< 1222177880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :113
< 1222177887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was your original one too
< 1222177899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have a go at the other three INTERCAL-72 operators as well if you like, to finish the set
< 1222177914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't really understand how they work
< 1222177934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, using lowercase letters for bits:
< 1222177934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I implemented select from http://esolangs.org/wiki/INTERCAL#Expression_syntax
< 1222177986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :V2#abcdefghijklmnop is <<p|a,a|b,b|c,c|d,d|e,e|f,f|g,g|h,h|i,i|j,j|k,k|l,l|m,m|n,n|o,o|p>>
< 1222177989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where | means bitwise or
< 1222177996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and V is intercal's unary OR operator
< 1222178000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the 16-bit version
< 1222178017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're overloaded in INTERCAL, there's both the 16-bit version and the 32-bit version, which follow the same pattern
< 1222178023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222178056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so the last bit is used to or the first bit?
< 1222178065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222178073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and placed in the topmost bit of the result
< 1222178077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each bit is used exactly twice
< 1222178082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :topmost == last?
< 1222178091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers don't really have first and last bits
< 1222178095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :topmost == most significant
< 1222178098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true
< 1222178107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which end of the number the most significant bit is at in Erlang
< 1222178177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3> <<H:1,_/bitstring>> = <<2#10000000>>.
< 1222178180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4> H.
< 1222178180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1222178211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so p is unchanged at the end then?
< 1222178226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222178239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait indeed
< 1222178245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get p|a in the most significant bit and o|p in the least significant
< 1222178279 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should be easy if erlang has ordinary bit operations on bitstrings
< 1222178301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could use a higher order function
< 1222178302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you have bitshift and such on numbers
< 1222178316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks on a binary
< 1222178317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about or, and and xor
< 1222178350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well exists on integers but not on full binaries
< 1222178370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could convert it into a list I guess
< 1222178373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right maybe no use for bitstrings then
< 1222178376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is easy enough
< 1222178423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well the bit you extract at the head of the binary is a number
< 1222178434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bxor or such would work on that
< 1222178469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, Irregular Webcomic's presidential election is _really_ improving now
< 1222178546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you just need to rotate, and then use an integer bit operation with the original number
< 1222178559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, of course oerjan is an accomplished INTERCAL programmer
< 1222178580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so knows what e's talking about here, yes, that's a good way to describe it
< 1222178613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is bit shift but not bit rotate
< 1222178632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is easy to do with bitstrings i presume
< 1222178635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit rotate's easy enough to implement with bitmasking and shifts
< 1222178643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with pattern-matching bitstrings it's still easier
< 1222178729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it would be rather inefficient. rotating like that. Erlang got single assignment. but the tail in the binary can still work without copies thanks to it just being a pointer into the binary.
< 1222178737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotating would for various reasons upset that
< 1222178754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for more info I suggest reading http://www.erlang.org/doc/efficiency_guide/binaryhandling.html
< 1222178757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it's a linked list sort of thing?
< 1222178768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pointers to single bits of memory are likely to be less efficient than copying a single 32-bit integer
< 1222178771 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ESOTERIC NEWS BULLETIN: Erlang takes over a day to do a trivial task done in other languages in a few minutes even for people who don't understand it, even though it has special data structures for strings of bits and such.
< 1222178772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not a bitstring no, Erlang have Lisp style lists too
< 1222178782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using [H|T] syntax
< 1222178786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that efficiency guide is presumably for large binaries
< 1222178798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: there is a wtf here, but you've completely mistaken where it is
< 1222178800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm true for that part.
< 1222178812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: either erlang or AnMaster, I'm guessing
< 1222178813 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1222178813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm not sure what oerjan meant
< 1222178816 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, where is it?
< 1222178829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: <ais523> AnMaster: pointers to single bits of memory are likely to be less efficient than copying a single 32-bit integer
< 1222178842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is true yes
< 1222178850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not a wtf with Erlang, it's a wtf due to generalising documentation without thinking about the edge cases
< 1222178862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes indeed
< 1222178872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: however - it's taken over a whole day
< 1222178880 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to write a function that is what, 10 lines or something now?
< 1222178887 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still doesn't work? even though it's doing something really simple?
< 1222178893 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really make me think well of erlang...
< 1222178893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took several months to get the C versions of the INTERCAL operators right
< 1222178904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and working efficiently
< 1222178909 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: efficiently isn't a goal here
< 1222178914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, Erlang doesn't have a ternary type
< 1222178915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes it is
< 1222178920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1222178921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote my c one in like 5 minutes after I clarified everything
< 1222178925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1222178930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll have to general-case the bases other than 2, just like C-INTERCAL does
< 1222179003 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so you think that it's OK for erlang to cause this much hoo-hah over implementing mingle even though it has a special bitstring type thing with pattern matching designed for stuff like this, even though I wrote a C version in 5 minutes (mostly starting doing it manually then realising I could generate it) after getting exactly what it does
< 1222179040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I wrote an Erlang version (with the wrong syntax) in about 3 minutes, and could have fixed it easily
< 1222179053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what's wrong with rot1(Int) -> <<X:15, H:1>> = <<Int:16>, <<R:16>> = <<H:1, X:15>, R.  if i got the syntax right
< 1222179054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster wanted to use a loop for some reason, I think he's invented a bignum mingle
< 1222179057 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so it's just more "AnMaster is terrible at erlang"
< 1222179073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that looks more or less right, any mistakes in it are due to me not knowing Erlang
< 1222179091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes it should work with a few changes for bignum
< 1222179139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what would your definition of rot13(Int) be, by the way?
< 1222179181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just replace 15 and 1 by 13 and 3 or possibly the other way around
< 1222179185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and well it works for 16 bit integers sure. :)
< 1222179206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was actually wondering how much you would redefine the function
< 1222179211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to suit the change in name
< 1222179238 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ints are not character strings...
< 1222179246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it would be rot13_16 or something, since you operate on 16 bits there
< 1222179249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1222179250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, i don't know erlang
< 1222179255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not necessarily an integer, it's just called Int
< 1222179258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char* Int;
< 1222179260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of thing
< 1222179263 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can the part after : be a variable?
< 1222179280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, strings are a list of integers. or a binary
< 1222179285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both work in output routines
< 1222179295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it can then it would be easy to write a general one
< 1222179296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes it can
< 1222179390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2> "abcd" =:= [$a, $b, $c, $d].
< 1222179390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1222179435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang doesn't have pattern guards like haskell does it?  might be nice for a rot13 function
< 1222179460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it have guards
< 1222179493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(A) when is_integer(A) and (A > 100) -> A*A.
< 1222179503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not very useful function)
< 1222179558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, now that's neater in Prolog: foo(A,Rv) :- is_integer(A), A > 100, Rv is A*A.
< 1222179607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually you can use , there iirc, but with and it is more readable IMO
< 1222179625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :; for or
< 1222179629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, for and
< 1222179632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog uses , for and and ; for or too
< 1222179637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can write out the words
< 1222179643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so common though that nobody ever does
< 1222179657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(A,Rv) if is_integer(A) and A > 100 and Rv is A*A.
< 1222179664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just looks like a long run-on sentence, anyway
< 1222179668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the symbols are more usual
< 1222179684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wouldn't work, iirc that will be (is_integer(A) and A) > 100
< 1222179693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does in Prolog
< 1222179693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will cause issues since true > 100 makes no sense
< 1222179701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and and or have lower precedences than anything
< 1222179726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it does
< 1222179758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true is larger than 100, this is defined to make sorting in list with mixed things easier
< 1222179762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :number < atom < reference < fun < port < pid < tuple < list < binary
< 1222179771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently
< 1222179780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C true is normally less than 100, not always though
< 1222179790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true is an atom
< 1222179794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 100 a number
< 1222179808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can compare strings to integers in C too
< 1222179818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance "true" > 100 is almost certainly true
< 1222179821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a good idea, though
< 1222179830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but that will be the first char's value
< 1222179836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it won't
< 1222179843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be *"true" > 100
< 1222179855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's comparing the integral value of the pointer to the number
< 1222179864 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are likely to get a warning for that anyway.
< 1222179871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1222179874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes no sense
< 1222179889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://rafb.net/p/0OeXKS19.html
< 1222179920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- - <-- something went wrong in the paste there
< 1222179921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so and and or are operators in Erlang
< 1222179923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be --
< 1222179928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're keywords in Prolog
< 1222179961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, operators yes, but you can't make a function called or.
< 1222179975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, in Algol 68 you can call a function anything
< 1222180008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you may be able to by quoting it, depends on if it treats functions at atom names or as something else
< 1222180024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you *can* make atoms that doesn't start with a lower case char
< 1222180031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to use single quotes
< 1222180045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in algol 68 you got to choose whether you quoted the keywords or the identifiers or both
< 1222180048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'This is a Valid erlang Atom'
< 1222180054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, in Prolog you can have arbitrary atoms too
< 1222180063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is kind of confusing, so normally not used
< 1222180069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use the same syntax as strings for things that don't start with lowercase letters
< 1222180078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but atoms and strings are freely coercible so it doesn't matter
< 1222180094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the compiler/interp will just pick one depending on which it feels would work better
< 1222180100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> atom_to_list('This is a Valid erlang Atom').
< 1222180100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a Valid erlang Atom"
< 1222180166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(atom_to_list/1 is from the erlang module, which contains BIFs, that is built in functions, some of them are "auto imported" and thus doesn't need the module specifier erlang:)
< 1222180298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you know of any systems which need cflags set in the environment to be able to compile?
< 1222180353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well depends. If I want to compile a 32-bit binary on my 64-bit multilib system then yes
< 1222180361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to pass -m32 then
< 1222180372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about the C-INTERCAL build
< 1222180376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the moment it configures twice
< 1222180388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well doesn't automake have some AM_CFLAGS or such if you want to add custom ones?
< 1222180391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once with the settings you give, for the stuff it ends up with
< 1222180405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and once with a blank environment for the OIL compiler and other things only used during the build
< 1222180426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way cross-compile works, it builds a OIL cross-compiler that runs natively and then cross-compiles everything else
< 1222180452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that hurts
< 1222180462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way?
< 1222180468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to think about
< 1222180476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems "pretty weird" ;P
< 1222180477 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Configure twice, build once, like that old old saying goes.
< 1222180487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: thanks
< 1222180538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.eso-std.org/c-intercal/configure.ac, http://code.eso-std.org/c-intercal/buildaux/buildconfig.ac and http://code.eso-std.org/c-intercal/buildaux/Makefile.am, if you're interested in how the build system works at present
< 1222180549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I know that need custom LDFLAGS though
< 1222180553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that some*
< 1222180553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I think it's more streamlined and nicer to use than even Automake at default
< 1222180567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember the details but pretty sure I read about that once
< 1222180568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think Automake even pays attention to LDFLAGS
< 1222180573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dnl Yes, that is a valid email address. If your mailer doesn't support nested
< 1222180574 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dnl comments, then get a better mailer.
< 1222180576 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if gmail does?
< 1222180579 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try.
< 1222180624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, dnl is the second most insane idea for making comments work in a language I know, after INTERCAL's
< 1222180628 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error
< 1222180629 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The email address "ais523" is not recognised. Please fix it and try again.
< 1222180654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo
< 1222180656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should complain
< 1222180661 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1222180667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think its using the comment as a name
< 1222180668 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec
< 1222180692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1222180697 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1222180710 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222180713 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222180809 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, soon tusho.net will be an openid
< 1222180832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what do you think of my build process by the way?
< 1222180837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you said <<p|a,a|b,b|c,c|d,d|e,e|f,f|g,g|h,h|i,i|j,j|k,k|l,l|m,m|n,n|o,o|p>>, so creating a list with p added at the start then taking every pair in it should work or?
< 1222180840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't understand it.
< 1222180843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, it should
< 1222180848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's way neater than gcc's
< 1222180852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at theirs
< 1222180859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it claims to be written in autoconf, but it isn't really
< 1222180875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses autoconf macros for a few things like options, most of it's written directly in shell script though
< 1222180942 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, someone just claimed http://intertwingly.net/ looks like 1996 :D
< 1222181276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, 1996 was new like ten years ago
< 1222181323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I'm getting more spam in German
< 1222181359 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i love that spam
< 1222181371 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read it out loud and imagine an old german guy with a moustache and glasses saying it
< 1222181373 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hilarious
< 1222181425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4> intercal:unary_or(16#1234).
< 1222181425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6974
< 1222181429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does that seem right?
< 1222181458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222181464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222181471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, was that output in decimal?
< 1222181481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give the output in hex, then I can try to work it out in my head
< 1222181486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got this spam in "norwegian" today.  i _really_ wonder if spammers actually get hits on this insanely badly translated stuff...
< 1222181494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222181500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what was it, BabelFish norwegian
< 1222181508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 1B3E
< 1222181517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that.
< 1222181539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, should be 367C I think
< 1222181569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was worse was it tried to claim to be from the university (some phishing stuff)
< 1222181587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just do it to avoid spam filters
< 1222181588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why phishers are so bad at spelling
< 1222181592 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put the actaul content in an attached image
< 1222181598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would think it would be a bit of a giveaway...
< 1222181608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't just spelling, but horrible grammar too
< 1222181611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... idea
< 1222181620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the images that are attached to spam as CAPTCHAs
< 1222181629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way the spammers end up fighting an arms war against each other
< 1222181634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 367C is 1B3E but with an extra 0 bit at the end
< 1222181636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1222181676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: show your code?
< 1222181687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sec
< 1222181706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/fvPJUc40.html
< 1222181743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: oh that may be it.  i read my mail on nvg through an xterm so i don't see attachments automatically
< 1222181744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do you mean by taht?
< 1222181747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that
< 1222181765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: spammers obfuscate their attached images to stop anti-spam systems detecting them
< 1222181772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222181778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you use the spammer's own technology to stop spam
< 1222181789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by either making their CAPTCHAbots detect the anti-spam
< 1222181799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else having captchas which are too hard for the spammers to crack
< 1222181801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he means
< 1222181805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine the obfuscated images
< 1222181807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be one or the other as it's the same problem from opposite sides
< 1222181808 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put them on websites
< 1222181810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as captchas
< 1222181814 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, the website spammers
< 1222181818 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will have to break those
< 1222181821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you somehow meant the spammers would directly have to decrypt their own images or something.
< 1222181822 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that we can steal the breakage
< 1222181823 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to detect their spam
< 1222181825 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR
< 1222181828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they won't be able to break it
< 1222181829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, each other's images
< 1222181831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it comes to the same thing
< 1222181832 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and website spam will drop
< 1222181832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but right, as captchas somewhere else
< 1222181845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're different breeds, is the problem
< 1222181847 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :email & website spammers
< 1222181851 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your thing can kill the latter
< 1222181854 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the former will just keep going
< 1222181863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think the email spammers would win?
< 1222181870 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1222181872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: when spammers break captchas
< 1222181873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of people would like it if you could kill website spam at a stroke
< 1222181875 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they never reveal HOW...
< 1222181876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1222181882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I think the website spammers would win
< 1222181890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as there's a limit to how ingenious captchas could get
< 1222181891 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but you'd have to tell websites things like
< 1222181898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any idea why you want an ending 0 bit there
< 1222181902 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ch!ea p via.gra www.cheapviagracialis.inFo
< 1222181902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to make sense
< 1222181912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: why not?
< 1222181913 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... is not good user experience, nobody wants to enter that on a website about kittens
< 1222181921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what's the capital F on the TLD for?
< 1222181928 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: avoiding OCR
< 1222181934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: getting the punctuation and spacing and everything right will just annoy the user
< 1222181941 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll just not do it
< 1222181953 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ash3yda7' is about as much as they'lle nter
< 1222181963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen how silly some captchas are at the moment?
< 1222181966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that cat-captcha
< 1222181967 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222181969 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people complain
< 1222181970 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the time
< 1222181973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably easier for computers than humans
< 1222181977 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapidshare fixed their cat-captcha
< 1222181982 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after people exploded into RAGE
< 1222181988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they weren't the only people using it I think
< 1222181990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat captcha?
< 1222181992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got quite popular once
< 1222181993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat-captcha?
< 1222182000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a captcha
< 1222182001 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except
< 1222182002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION joins oklopol in confusion
< 1222182004 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some letters have cats printed on top of them
< 1222182005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: AnMaster: lots of distorted letters as usual
< 1222182008 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to only enter the ones with cats on them.
< 1222182013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you only type the ones with faint images of cats printed on them
< 1222182014 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the cats kind of overlap other letters
< 1222182017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they don't even look like cats.
< 1222182018 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're faint.
< 1222182019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are ones with dogs printed on them instead
< 1222182026 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222182027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222182028 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't enter them
< 1222182033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they aren't even drawn with lines, just with dots forming a pattern
< 1222182036 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much the stupidest thing ever, which is why they fixed it
< 1222182049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps one of vjn's domains should be just about captchas
< 1222182058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ironic thing is that they hardly obfuscated the letters themselves
< 1222182060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like those puzzles
< 1222182068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of thing may be too hard for humans
< 1222182077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... captchas
< 1222182079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as I said, most likely easier for computers than humans
< 1222182088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeha
< 1222182088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah*
< 1222182106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as for your unary or, why on earth are you using a loop?
< 1222182115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you test that unary or on 0x1234 in intercal or?
< 1222182117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it pretty hard to figure out exactly what's going on
< 1222182123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I did it in my head
< 1222182138 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainman!
< 1222182142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what do you suggest using instead? To be usable with bignum
< 1222182142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unary or and and are the easiest of the operators to do in one's head
< 1222182149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the wrapper isn't bignum
< 1222182149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: bignums don't have a top bit anyway
< 1222182153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I plan to extend that
< 1222182165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's kind-of hard to see what the operators would do
< 1222182176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I thought top bit set rounded upwards to whole byte :)
< 1222182204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1222182210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you make that whole pair of bytes it'll be quite similar to INTERCAL's dynamic typing
< 1222182220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the way typing actually works in INTERCAL is that there are two data types
< 1222182229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most operators have fixed prototypes
< 1222182242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but select returns either 16-bit or 32-bit depending on how many 1 bits are in its rightmost operand
< 1222182286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(N.B. C-INTERCAL doesn't actually do all that, but cheats; there's a case in INTERCAL-72 that messes up in C-INTERCAL by design, as a result, and is far too ingrained to fix)
< 1222182339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if you read that file you will see that the "private" functions should work for any binaries. and the wrappers are fixed size
< 1222182348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a plan behind that yes
< 1222182349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I did
< 1222182358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you planning to invent bignum INTERCAL, though?
< 1222182379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, remember the ICAL fingerprint Mike Riley made?
< 1222182393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, did it forget to specify the bitwidths?
< 1222182399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, now efunge have bignum cells so...
< 1222182406 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: NIETCRLA would have a bignum mode
< 1222182416 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my hypothetical INTERCAL interpreter, see if you can get the name)
< 1222182418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think it assumed fixed size cells
< 1222182426 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pronounced nyet-cur-lah)
< 1222182432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I do, it's one of the possible variants on 64 bit middle-endian
< 1222182434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in fact efunge is the only bignum befunge-98 that I know about
< 1222182438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's quite a powerful encryption
< 1222182443 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: correct
< 1222182460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so thus i need bignum versions
< 1222182467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the problem is that many idiomatic INTERCAL expressions only work with fixed-size cells
< 1222182508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		DO .5 <- '?"'&"':2~:5'~'"'?"'?":5~:5"~"#65535$
< 1222182508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		     #65535"'~'#65535$#0'"$#32768'~'#0$#65535'"
< 1222182508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		     $"'?":5~:5"~"#65535$#65535"'~'#0$#65535'"'
< 1222182508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		     "$"':5~:5'~#1"'~#1"$#2'~#3
< 1222182511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well if I did it for cfunge it would end up as 32-bit or 64-bit depending on compile time options. You mean programs won't work then?
< 1222182524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: look at all the hardcoded constants in the above
< 1222182533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm
< 1222182539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's greater-than
< 1222182563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original syslib version
< 1222182572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually ICAL do seem to specify bitwidth
< 1222182578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I later determined that part of the code was redundant, but everyone had been too confused to work it out)
< 1222182596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however I would like to make bignum versions anyway, bignum intercal would be fun
< 1222182600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that INTERCAL has 16-bit and 32-bit data types, pretty much no matter what it's working on
< 1222182616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do make bignum INTERCAL, I suggest that you have a bignum consisting of all 1s
< 1222182618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever
< 1222182629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you can mingle with a bignum consisting of all 0s so as to get alternating 1s and 0s
< 1222182632 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: NIETCRLA would also have C-INTERCAL and CLC-INTERCAL modes, because I'm crazy like that
< 1222182634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that be kinda pointless though
< 1222182634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that would probably be possible in haskell
< 1222182634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222182640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep
< 1222182648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. I like the name ITRALCEN better
< 1222182652 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if you can work THAT on out...
< 1222182654 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one
< 1222182656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, have one bignum like that
< 1222182659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however erlang doesn't have infinite lists since it wasn't made by mathematicians :P
< 1222182665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be able to do something like that in order to get most expressions to work
< 1222182672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, MAX_BIGNUM btw
< 1222182689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you have half the characters backwards, alternating between the two sides
< 1222182695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simple to make that kind of infinite bignum work
< 1222182699 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, just like this
< 1222182708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will have a finite amount of data at any point, and the normalization of representation is simple
< 1222182714 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL -> take the first and second letter -> type them -> put the cursor between them -> repeat with rest of strong
< 1222182715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically just cut it into blocks
< 1222182725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leftmost block repeats
< 1222182725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: comes to the same thing, just a differnet way to describe it
< 1222182731 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN ITEN ITRCEN ITRALCEN
< 1222182733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, that would work I think
< 1222182746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that looks vaguely like the Latin motto for something
< 1222182754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222182757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1222182758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just missing a couple more vowels to work visually
< 1222182821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9> io:format("~.2B~n", [intercal:unary_or(16#1234)]).
< 1222182821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1101100111110
< 1222182821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11> io:format("~.2B~n", [16#367C]).
< 1222182821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11011001111100
< 1222182839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so are you sure about that last 0?
< 1222182845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222182905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222182923 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222182923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222182965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, sorrt about that
< 1222182967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Tue Sep 23 2008] [15:14:05] <ais523> yes
< 1222182969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Tue Sep 23 2008] [15:14:29] <ais523> what's unary_or(1) with your implementation
< 1222182982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1222183047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sec
< 1222183050 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, intercal or, (x<<1)|x?
< 1222183063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 14> io:format("~.2B~n", [intercal:unary_or(1)]).
< 1222183063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10000000000000000000000000000001
< 1222183063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: pretty much, except it's a rotate not a shift
< 1222183073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are you rotating in the wrong direction?
< 1222183080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be ...0000000011
< 1222183085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah hm
< 1222183125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda x:[a|b for a,b in zip(x,x[1:]+x[:1])]
< 1222183153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: using addition for or?
< 1222183165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> (lambda x:[a|b for a,b in zip(x,x[1:]+x[:1])])([1])
< 1222183166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1]
< 1222183175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm using | for or
< 1222183197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought [a|b was the start of a list comprehension
< 1222183198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it may have looked like a haskell list comprehension
< 1222183199 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222183218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the result of the zip, there
< 1222183342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I worked it out by hand and I guess I'm rotating wrong yes
< 1222183425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing endbit to the other end didn't work hm
< 1222183464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> [((a,b),"==>",zip(a,b)) for a,b in [(lambda r:([r() for i in xrange(10)],[r() for i in xrange(10)]))(lambda:int(__import__("random").random()*50))]]
< 1222183464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(([5, 17, 0, 21, 30, 46, 11, 34, 21, 13], [35, 37, 12, 26, 28, 45, 5, 21, 0, 38]), '==>', [(5, 35), (17, 37), (0, 12), (21, 26), (30, 28), (46, 45), (11, 5), (34, 21), (21, 0), (13, 38)])]
< 1222183472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the *least significant bit* should be used to or the most significant right?
< 1222183490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222183496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the result should be in the most significant
< 1222183506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222183513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the least significant should also be used to or the second-least-significant with the result in the least significant
< 1222183522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, you were right
< 1222183522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm sure that answered your question in a confusing way
< 1222183522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me
< 1222183537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I know what zip does
< 1222183544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the [1:] [:1] I was wondering about more
< 1222183552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about whether it was working
< 1222183557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sorry for giving you wrong advice
< 1222183561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you were right all along
< 1222183565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll run it through ick
< 1222183569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or intercalc
< 1222183571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1222183575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l[:i] means the list up to i, exclusive, l[i:] means from i up, inclusive
< 1222183577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1222183605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, 1000....00001 for #V1
< 1222183626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222183629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I remember why unary or is such a pain to use
< 1222183634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check my #1234 too
< 1222183645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 16#1234 in decimal, again?
< 1222183663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4660
< 1222183683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer's 6974 in decimal
< 1222183686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what you got?
< 1222183691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if my or work then it should be trivial for xor and and
< 1222183695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, I cheated and used wimpmode to speed things up a bit)
< 1222183706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6974 yes
< 1222183714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so it is right all along
< 1222183721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need two wrappers by the way, for 16-bit and 32-bit or
< 1222183733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you look at the length of the bit field to work out which to use, I suppose
< 1222183751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well the loop variant works for any given size of binary
< 1222183754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tusho.net/blog/ <- yay pagination works!
< 1222183764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I need *two wrappers* is what you mean
< 1222183768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Google> "Did you mean tsusho MARY?"
< 1222183782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, that's what I said
< 1222183787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1222183810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Google> "Did you mean tsusho MARY?" <- what
< 1222183812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I could make a bignum one, just need to find out how large binary is needed
< 1222183822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I was trying to find the documentation for MKRY
< 1222183827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google didn't know where it was thuogh
< 1222183830 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho.net/mkry
< 1222183899 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tip - if you want something I made, tusho.net slash name-of-thing should work well in future :P
< 1222183918 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, my blog is the first result for tusho blogs but not tushob log
< 1222183919 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tusho blog
< 1222183939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably Google doesn't know about MKRY because you didn't link it anywhere
< 1222183953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except there should be a link from ircbrowse, but maybe it's nofollowed
< 1222183973 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ircbrowse won't link it
< 1222183975 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll just have the URL
< 1222183987 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'll link to it from my blog
< 1222183991 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to index it
< 1222183991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ircbrowse links URLs IIRC
< 1222183997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you like the pagination, by the way?
< 1222184012 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's more than 20 pages (more than 50 posts) it'll be like this:
< 1222184015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, nice and simple
< 1222184025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... 457 458 459 460 ->
< 1222184104 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://tusho.net/blog/mkry
< 1222184108 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google should pick it up sometime or other
< 1222184131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I so hope you get a comment on that written by some non-#esotericer
< 1222184144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i probably will, but it'll be "lolwut"
< 1222184168 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1222184175 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changes the footer a bit to link to tusho.net
< 1222184236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my last version is http://rafb.net/p/q0Ns9N24.html
< 1222184294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prediction was correct, i didn't get it.
< 1222184294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you say "32-bit" in your spec for the unaries but mention no bitcount anywhere for them
< 1222184303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push '.'s?
< 1222184316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, look below
< 1222184316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, pushes the ascii value of '.' a few times?
< 1222184331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, line 47
< 1222184335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just once according to the stack thingie
< 1222184347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually there's an ellipsis
< 1222184355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the code was common so I abstracted it out :P
< 1222184366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for the truth to appear
< 1222184374 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: its obvious,ehehehehe...
< 1222184384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'd suggest removing the 32-bit restriction from the docs, if you've removed it from the code
< 1222184404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I didn't it was just abstracted out into the code at line 47
< 1222184409 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: mikeriley says 'ehehehehehhhhehehehehe' a lot
< 1222184411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does things like this
< 1222184419 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehehehehehehhe,,,,i don't know........
< 1222184420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, didn't,*
< 1222184422 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1222184425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his fingerprints are never well specced
< 1222184429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, spotted it now
< 1222184431 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're always as obscure and hard to understand as MKRY is
< 1222184444 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each one pushes 3-15 copies of what they say
< 1222184448 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C pushes 3-15 ','s to the stack
< 1222184452 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D pushes 3-15 '.'s to the stack
< 1222184456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i didn't realize it was a joke of some sort :)
< 1222184458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, arguably the internal functions should be documented too ;P
< 1222184460 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and E pushes 3-15 e/h (randomly chosen each time) to the stack
< 1222184470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you efficiently and easily construct mike riley sentences
< 1222184476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222184479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222184540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw would you say that GCC's error messages for syntax errors often are a bit cryptic and don't point out where the error really is?
< 1222184550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes, sometimes they're useful though
< 1222184554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why did you want the spec? do you want to implement an intercal version?
< 1222184568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I had: "./intercal.erl:41: syntax error before: '('"
< 1222184572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to remind myself of what it was
< 1222184578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I think that is a bit less specific
< 1222184589 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah was it mentioned?
< 1222184594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: INTERCAL's error messages are really non-sepcific
< 1222184597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, I just remembered it
< 1222184600 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222184601 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222184605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true, they are worse
< 1222184611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the line number they give is normally the line after the error, but not always
< 1222184627 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear... i've sacrificed a bit of lynx usability
< 1222184634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paginator is all scrunched together with no spaces
< 1222184634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have you done?
< 1222184638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well in erlang's case the errors are mostly not ordered after line numbers
< 1222184645 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll just have to put the spaces back in but wrap them with <span class="space">
< 1222184648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can display:none them
< 1222184654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a lot of the time it is the third error or so pointing out where the issue really was
< 1222184659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be confusing
< 1222184676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this'll be ugly, though...
< 1222184676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since the first few are generally along the lines of "function used not defined"
< 1222184710 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222184768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb oerjan
< 1222184782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<p id="footer"><a href="/">tusho.net</a><span class="space"> </span><span class="pagination"><span class="space"> </span><span class="current-page">1</span><span class="space"> </span><a href="http://tusho.net/blog/page/2">2</a><span class="space"> </span><a class="next-page" href="http://tusho.net/blog/page/2" title="→">→</a></span></p>
< 1222184787 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is sure darn ugly :D
< 1222184798 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, it works nicely in lynx now
< 1222184804 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and isn't exactly unsemantic
< 1222184806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've seen worse, though; one system I used to program in simply told you if there was an error or not
< 1222184808 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are, after all, spaces.
< 1222184821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when there was I used to find its location using binary search and comments
< 1222184878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wtf was that system?
< 1222184889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some intercal dialect?
< 1222184890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: scripting language for a game
< 1222184890 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | huh?
< 1222184895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wtfish
< 1222184899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, good timing optbot
< 1222184899 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Probably
< 1222185009 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITRALCEN would give detailed, precise and helpful error messages
< 1222185017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than just about any other compiler out there
< 1222185028 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about as INTERCALLY as the incredibly obscure, unhelpful ones of most INTERCAL compilers, I think
< 1222185051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In http://rcfunge98.com/rcsfingers.html#ICAL wtf is the "n" argument to R?
< 1222185081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of entries deep to resume
< 1222185091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in INTERCAL you can return from a procedure other than the one you're currently in
< 1222185109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R is equivalent to 1-F1R, if it helps
< 1222185112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> more than just about any other compiler out there <-- have you seen clang or icc? They show the code in the errors/warnings and underline the relevant part of the line
< 1222185121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know how you would beat that
< 1222185127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um
< 1222185129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean
< 1222185130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Python?
< 1222185136 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python uses an up arrow on the right spot
< 1222185139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes I know several other languages do that
< 1222185141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Perl, which uses a ^ underneath?
< 1222185142 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a pretty basic diagnostic...
< 1222185143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :javac iirc
< 1222185144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too
< 1222185145 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, i would beat that
< 1222185148 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's what i said
< 1222185149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, how?
< 1222185164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: except you said Python and I said Perl...
< 1222185167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :icc sometimes even make suggestions for how to fix iirc
< 1222185175 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so does ghc, but its suggestions are useless
< 1222185182 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine would use its semantic analysis tools to suggest how to fix
< 1222185184 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not just based on the error
< 1222185188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but based on the code and the error
< 1222185192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222185202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would actually be pretty interesting
< 1222185207 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, because of the tons of help it gives you it'd probably be more useful to run it as a g ui
< 1222185212 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you could expand/contract the warnings & errors
< 1222185213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it shouldn't need the code at all, it should be able to make the program work correctly from a copy of the sepc
< 1222185215 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid a flood of info
< 1222185216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spec
< 1222185223 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hahahah, well no not quite :P
< 1222185261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there languages like that, you tell it what you want to do, and it figures it out
< 1222185277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least have been ideas of that
< 1222185283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: arguably Prolog is like that to start with
< 1222185291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really you have to know the internals to use it properly, !
< 1222185293 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: declarative ones
< 1222185301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm interesting
< 1222185316 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITRALCEN is pretty much the other side of intercallyness as opposed to the compilers of today
< 1222185339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: as opposed to typical INTERCAL compilers or typical programming language compilers?
< 1222185350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's precise and helpful and featureful and everything, trying to surpass even conventional languages, and yet the language itself is still very INTERCALLy so it's helping you with tons of detail... to code an awful, awful wreck
< 1222185351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, are you going to implement it?
< 1222185357 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, sometime
< 1222185363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1222185364 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't got all the details sorted out in my head
< 1222185367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I have plans for something like that too
< 1222185367 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to first
< 1222185370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, fair enough
< 1222185371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :called PRACTICAL
< 1222185376 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but that's a different language
< 1222185378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Feather!
< 1222185381 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you've told me about
< 1222185387 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, mine isn't "easy intercal"
< 1222185389 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of sinister
< 1222185393 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's polite, helpful, and all that
< 1222185395 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it's driving you insane
< 1222185404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's calmly and politely helping you to code *in INTERCAL*
< 1222185410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I've had a huge revolutionary idea to revolutionise INTERCAL expressions the same way its flow control is actually really nice
< 1222185438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also thinking about what a dedicated INTERCAL IDE would be like
< 1222185451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided it would leave certain features locked until you got enough experience points to be able to use them
< 1222185454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you need some animated icon that pops up bubbles like: "You seem to be writing a hello world program, do you want help?"
< 1222185458 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: exactly!
< 1222185461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could call it... hmm.... Clippy!
< 1222185469 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ITRALCEN included an IDE it would syntax highlight EVERYTHING
< 1222185479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you type and move your mouse tooltips would go into excruciating detail
< 1222185481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually mine was going to too
< 1222185487 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tons of panels to the side letting you analyze and refactor your code
< 1222185493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except syntax highlight not based on syntax
< 1222185493 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :full integration with the compiler! project support!
< 1222185504 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd KILL YOU because it would be so over the top and you WOULD BE WRITING INTERCAL
< 1222185510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the highlight instead showed how often you'd used that particular construct
< 1222185514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, :D
< 1222185520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for instance if you use a variable a lot its name becomes bright green
< 1222185522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd probably be a more horrifying experience than the bare bones tools for INTERCAL of today
< 1222185528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas it's a dull red if it's the only time you've ever read it
< 1222185537 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hah
< 1222185547 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like heat vision for INTERCAL!
< 1222185564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is that that would actually catch lots of typos
< 1222185570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed
< 1222185573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, you could make it just work on character neighbours
< 1222185580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it would be language agnostic
< 1222185596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like a Markov chain, but instead of generating nonsense it checks to see how much Markov-sense your code makes
< 1222185608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the whole thing's flourescent green you've cut-and-pasted too much
< 1222185620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that tool would have saved me several hours on a RL project once
< 1222185622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, kate can be set to pop up auto completion based on existing words in the document
< 1222185624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fairly well
< 1222185631 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so can every editor ever
< 1222185631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I accidentally duplicated part of a table of constants
< 1222185635 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim can do that
< 1222185637 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIM!
< 1222185644 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does it in one line of vimrc
< 1222185644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and?
< 1222185646 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact
< 1222185649 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even have to enable it
< 1222185650 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's there by default
< 1222185656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make a VID which is like vi, but worse
< 1222185661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's a genius idea
< 1222185683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :known as teco?
< 1222185690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not exactly hard
< 1222185693 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi is nice
< 1222185695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, actually it may be enabled by default in kate
< 1222185696 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes i mean bill joy vi
< 1222185780 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, my bad posture is starting to be uncomfortable
< 1222185784 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all these years...
< 1222185827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: according to the CotC website you're still supine
< 1222185835 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222185873 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i may need a new chair
< 1222186603 0 :kar8ng1!n=kar8nga@m-186.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222186653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be porn of it, but google definitely does not index it.
< 1222186677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :index what?
< 1222186690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer porn
< 1222186704 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :human+computer, to be exact
< 1222187240 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-085-016-233-006.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222188232 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222188933 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you mentioned that dnl was crazy
< 1222188936 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do?
< 1222188955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discards everything up to the next newline, including the newline
< 1222188997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a cross between comment and line continuation
< 1222189002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can generate them at runtime
< 1222189007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can lead to chaos on occasion
< 1222189021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh...
< 1222189848 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-72-160.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222190004 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222190031 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1222190135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Mony
< 1222190419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222190435 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222190435 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222190694 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And I invented doors, no joke!"
< 1222190894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO2Games: no you didn't
< 1222192384 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CoE: CO2Games did not invent doors.
< 1222192630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222192949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes I wonder about dnl, # comments work in configure.ac too
< 1222192966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: # is even weirder in m4
< 1222192972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh?
< 1222192974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it echos everything from the # to the end of the line into the output
< 1222192978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without interpreting any of it
< 1222192984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so # comment dnl comment 2
< 1222192991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually copies # comment dnl comment 2 into the output
< 1222192992 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray!
< 1222192996 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tusho.net/ is now an openID
< 1222192998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1222193018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even people who like m4 more or less outright admit it's an esolang
< 1222193025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that will result in a bash comment
< 1222193033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I'd say so
< 1222193039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yet GNU use it?
< 1222193046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for autoconf
< 1222193048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1222193071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true, but why?
< 1222193092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why m4?
< 1222193094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :history I think
< 1222193099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoconf used to be all written in sh
< 1222193107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1222193111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to maintain
< 1222193118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, exactly
< 1222193128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used m4 to automate the process of generating configure scripts
< 1222193137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's apparently simple to start with
< 1222193149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a case of writing substitutions for each command
< 1222193165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of depth to it though, in that over time you discover increasingly weird ways to abuse its evaluation engine
< 1222193183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and power m4 users sort of actively encourage that sort of thing
< 1222193185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes I wrote a few autoconf macros myself
< 1222193188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible
< 1222193201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be to someone with your personality, I imagine
< 1222193221 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m4 sounds lovely
< 1222193226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that supposed to mean?
< 1222193234 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you only like boring, sane things
< 1222193245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: different people have different styles
< 1222193262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tend towards things which are relatively sane and work more or less the same way each time
< 1222193273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as a result your programs tend to be saner than most of the people's here
< 1222193279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yet I code befunge?
< 1222193283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably tusho thinks this is a bad thing
< 1222193294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, befunge is sane for an esolang
< 1222193299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever but sane
< 1222193299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1222193301 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah befunge is pretty pedestrian
< 1222193347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and I would like Feather if you ever got it done ;P
< 1222193359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure?
< 1222193364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have headaches just thinking about it
< 1222193368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably that's why I never get it done
< 1222193372 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah AnMaster thinks he likes feather
< 1222193377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's brilliantly elegant despite the headaches, though
< 1222193383 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suspect he'd ravage every single part of it if it was actaully made
< 1222193417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I like thinking about the weird parts of core funge
< 1222193419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like k over k
< 1222193421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such
< 1222193433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the edge cases *are* fun
< 1222193439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in m4 those sorts of interactions are what you do to actually run programs, normally
< 1222193465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, (ab)using edge cases?
< 1222193475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222193478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222193481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't think it's abuse so much in this case
< 1222193501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are tricks involving dynamically changing the syntax of the language to do stuff, but they tend to be looked down upon
< 1222193517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my autoconf macros didn't really use edge cases
< 1222193531 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, pavatar works too!
< 1222193540 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222193541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well Feather would change the language
< 1222193542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the point
< 1222193555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feather would change everything
< 1222193561 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pavatar.com/check?hp=http%3A%2F%2Ftusho.net%2F <-- it wurkz
< 1222193565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from its own point of view it can change the universe
< 1222193567 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for someone to ask what that is, they always do
< 1222193572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I suspect the universe could have other ideas
< 1222193582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, could you even make any meaningful programs in Feather without changing the language?
< 1222193626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, quite probably
< 1222193641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally speaking you don't change the language as such but add features to it
< 1222193641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wouldn't be fun of course
< 1222193647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hm
< 1222193650 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should make all the core primitives modify the actual language, by changing the expression you're evaluating into its result
< 1222193654 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then EVERYTHING would modify it
< 1222193663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those features seamlessly interoperate with the other features that other libraries had added
< 1222193682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, for instance, you can load a debugger after the fact, and then step through the code up to the point you're at at the moment
< 1222193688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like JIT debugging but even crazier
< 1222193693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well how can you add features that require external communication? that is not included in "turing complete". For example file io, calling external code. or whatever
< 1222193719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I may be wrong since you failed to explain how feather actually works ;P
< 1222193726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking a lot about that
< 1222193734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hello world program in feather please?
< 1222193747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can't write anything in Feather yet, not even a NOP, really
< 1222193753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm
< 1222193773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but output would ideally have to be rewound as you went back and redone as you went forwards
< 1222193775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably cached
< 1222193780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what language do you plan to implement feather in? or the boot strap feather in
< 1222193793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not sure, I was discussing this with tusho a while back
< 1222193802 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps squeak
< 1222193804 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for the irony
< 1222193807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably eventually C but I want to start with something functional
< 1222193808 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or non-irony
< 1222193808 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1222193841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional should be easier
< 1222193851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda has all the right features, actually, but is a pain to program in]
< 1222193861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if I know the language (and/or plan to learn it, like scheme (which I plan to learn when I get time)) I could probably help with parts that need to be done
< 1222193886 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes down: Fork Feather at nearest oppertunity
< 1222193908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the main problems with Feather is I feel it needs an interp before it can be properly specced
< 1222193918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see what's impossible and what's merely implausible
< 1222193921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implausible I can do, sometimes
< 1222193923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand
< 1222193962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what are the features you need of unlambda?
< 1222193974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very first-class functions, call/cc
< 1222193975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about it
< 1222193994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and that kind of prevents a lot of the IO stuff
< 1222193996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sane and preferably extensible way to interface with the user would be nice, too
< 1222194000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, scheme or some other lisp maybe then?
< 1222194012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ideally call/cc should rewind output
< 1222194023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, Scheme is near the top of my list of potential languages for this atm
< 1222194067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, rewind output could be hard, what if the output is sent to something like a printer?
< 1222194076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very common these days ;P
< 1222194094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my intended semantics are to just do nothing if output is rewound and then the same output is reoutput
< 1222194106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the output is rewound and different output comes out, just print the new output
< 1222194123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be closest to what the user expects, I think
< 1222194203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feather should clearly be written in Coq or Agda
< 1222194219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh btw didn't you ask some time ago about languages that can seralize functions? And that unlambda was one of them
< 1222194228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that someone else
< 1222194239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underlambda is defined to be able to serialise functions
< 1222194239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can scheme do it?
< 1222194247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... interesting
< 1222194256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no technical reason why not but it might be inefficient
< 1222194261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, erlang can seralise functions
< 1222194275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly if you're using the Lisp method of storing in a list and using eval to call, it's trivial
< 1222194276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it could compile to Parrot
< 1222194279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it is used internally in between distributed erlang nodes
< 1222194281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however lambdas tend to be better
< 1222194292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that a genuine language yet?
< 1222194299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 4> term_to_binary(F).
< 1222194299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<131,112,0,0,3,129,1,213,76,172,89...>>
< 1222194302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where F is a fun
< 1222194321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the resulting serialisation doesn't mean anything to anyone but Erlang?
< 1222194352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed. Erlang of same major release even
< 1222194371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which happens every few years or so iirc
< 1222194371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's enough for Underlambda, anyway
< 1222194383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it can deserialise the result back into a function again
< 1222194391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no idea
< 1222194414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Underlambda's great in that you can merely serialise a continuation if you happen to want to save an image)
< 1222194579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazy Bird perhaps?  although it may not have continuations
< 1222194600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuations are very very important to the way I plan to implement Feather
< 1222194624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I was thinking about writing my own language in C, merely implemented to optimise continuations for the unusual use they'll see in a Feather program
< 1222194749 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazy Bird doesn't have continuation.
< 1222194775 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I can't think of a way to do it.
< 1222194792 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly because I still don't know what it is
< 1222194801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: Does it have c?
< 1222194804 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1222194811 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then not unless you do CPS.
< 1222194815 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPS?
< 1222194832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: it basically involves never ever returning from a function
< 1222194837 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: parrot is the perl6 VM.
< 1222194847 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE FUNCTION OF NO RETURN
< 1222194847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead you give a function pointer as an argument saying where to transfer control after the function runs
< 1222194851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> presumably it can deserialise the result back into a function again
< 1222194852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222194855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get rid of the call stack
< 1222194859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it is a fun() style fun
< 1222194859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't need it
< 1222194870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is a MFA style fun it is just a reference
< 1222194882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MFA style fun = fun mymodule:myfunc/2
< 1222194883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such
< 1222194894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more or less like a C function pointer
< 1222194905 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by the way, do you have any idea how to make scp -r handle deletes too?
< 1222194917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not off the top of my head
< 1222194922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scp is likely the wrong tool to be using
< 1222194930 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i use instead, then?
< 1222194935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could delete the entire tree at the other end then scp
< 1222194942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would come to the same thing
< 1222194943 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1222194956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that ouch, you're overwriting all the files over there anyway
< 1222194961 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1222194965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's /why/ it's the wrong tool to be using)
< 1222194965 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does rsync do deletes?
< 1222194969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1222194979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my friends uses svn for that purpose, strangely enough
< 1222195008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat of a subversion
< 1222195051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it does if you give it the right command line option
< 1222195060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--delete iirc
< 1222195072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it removes files that doesn't exist on the target side
< 1222195075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and heh oerjan
< 1222195085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err which doesn't exist on source side*
< 1222195089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh
< 1222195112 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets an evil idea - make his homepage FOAF instead of HTML and use an xml stylesheet to show it to browsers - like http://hublog.hubmed.org/foaf.xml
< 1222195116 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does evil idea
< 1222195143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foaf?
< 1222195162 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :File Ond af file?
< 1222195204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foaf-project.org/
< 1222195209 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :person metadata & relationship thing
< 1222195227 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hublog.hubmed.org/foaf.xml is a foaf file
< 1222195272 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially, if I do that, tusho.net will be the most semantic homepage evar
< 1222195292 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have YADIS directing to my openid, a Pavatar header, ...
< 1222195338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: OpenSearch?
< 1222195350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no search on my site, though I might add it to my blahg
< 1222195373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about microformats?
< 1222195395 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unneeded, microformats are for HTML, all the info will be in the FOAF profile
< 1222195405 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since tusho.net is just going to be my identity page
< 1222195411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no microformats on tusho.net
< 1222195413 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1222195415 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no microformats on tusho.net/blog
< 1222195418 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't see any that i could use
< 1222195563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> ais523: unneeded, microformats are for HTML, all the info will be in the FOAF profile <tusho> no microformats on tusho.net/blog <-- that is because it is html there will be no microformats?
< 1222195572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<!doctype html>"
< 1222195587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "*tusho gets an evil idea - make his homepage FOAF instead of HTML and use an xml stylesheet to show it to browsers - like http://hublog.hubmed.org/foaf.xml"
< 1222195590 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideas do not apply themself immediately.
< 1222195593 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*themselves
< 1222195637 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns foaf
< 1222195755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1222196322 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray
< 1222196325 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#foaf are helpful
< 1222196329 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: almost all done
< 1222196330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1222196344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite rare to get helpful channels nowadays for some reason
< 1222196346 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222196357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the ones I'm in tend to be helpful
< 1222196362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably why I stick around in them
< 1222196369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even #esoteric is helpful sometimes
< 1222196375 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, RDF and FOAF are both good usecases of XML, and also very easy to use
< 1222196379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot can give some amazing advice
< 1222196381 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i think is excellent
< 1222196386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it isn't here right
< 1222196387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now
< 1222196391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to ask optbot instead.
< 1222196392 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. this is church numeral stuff.
< 1222196519 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot's secrets are revealed at last!
< 1222196519 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Why isn't ` apply? :-P
< 1222196593 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out how to use foaf:based_near
< 1222196593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously optbot isn't written in Unlambda, then
< 1222196593 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the thing you told Deewiant
< 1222196719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes I tend to ask programming questions in esoteric
< 1222196728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because no one asks: "why to you need that"
< 1222196732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1222196740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sometimes we do
< 1222196744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but normally afterwards
< 1222196751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1222196752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and out of curiosity rather than pointing you to a better way
< 1222196764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if there is a better way, we'll let you decide if you want to use it
< 1222196765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course because the whole point is doing it in weird ways
< 1222196794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I still like the idea of bignum intercal but I don't think I would be able to implement it
< 1222196795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I came here and said "I'm writing a machine-code program, but I want all the characters in it to be printable", nobody would bat an eyelid
< 1222196801 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222196808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1222196827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I have done that
< 1222196841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the concept of a self uu-decoding application
< 1222196852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to distribute uudecode over Usenet to people who don't have it
< 1222196856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222196860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a DOS version though, I don't think you can do that in ELF
< 1222196869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can't they access ftp?
< 1222196875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almsot certainly
< 1222196886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but again, why care if there are better ways?
< 1222196896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almsot? typo for almsort?
< 1222196897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1222196919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for almost
< 1222196935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1222196949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point is to try to figure out what almsort would be!
< 1222196966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc that was how befunge was created, befunge being a typo)
< 1222196990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a typo for what?
< 1222197033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The word "Befunge" started life as a typographical error for the word "before", typed by Curtis Coleman at 4AM on a BBS chat system."
< 1222197040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge#Etymology
< 1222197043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that always confused me
< 1222197048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's apparently typo
< 1222197058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but befunge and before are pretty different to type
< 1222197070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare ung and or
< 1222197074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, dvorak? (not sure if that matters=
< 1222197075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1222197080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was a non-QWERTY keyboard?
< 1222197084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would you say = was an easy typo for ) and ?
< 1222197090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is*
< 1222197097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on this keyboard
< 1222197104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, on a Swedish keyboard it is
< 1222197114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := is two keys away from ) and doesn't need shift on a UK layout
< 1222197123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, I think it must be some non-UK/US layout
< 1222197146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift:  !"#¤%&/()=?
< 1222197147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal: 1234567890+
< 1222197172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see how that is easy to typo on a Swedish keyboard
< 1222197200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!"£$%^&*()_+
< 1222197205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :top row on a UK keyboard, with shift
< 1222197215 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~!@£$%^&*()_+
< 1222197225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US keyboards are !@#$%^&*()_+ IIRC
< 1222197234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you include the first char before 1 then it is
< 1222197238 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvorak doesn't look very plausible for before -> befunge either
< 1222197239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :§
< 1222197241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shifted
< 1222197242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :½
< 1222197245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬ is shift-backquote for me
< 1222197246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird one
< 1222197251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and backquote's to the left of 1
< 1222197269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it isn't even in ASCII (nor is £ for that matter but I can understand why that's on a UK keyboard)
< 1222197283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:KB_Sweden.svg
< 1222197300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and back quote is ` you mean?
< 1222197304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a dead key
< 1222197306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222197306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shifted
< 1222197311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a live key here
< 1222197312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`````
< 1222197317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comes in useful when typing Unlambda programs
< 1222197328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well don't do that on Swedish keyboard then
< 1222197338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see the link I posted
< 1222197343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done
< 1222197343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty bad for programming really
< 1222197350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with altgr-7 {
< 1222197358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most programming languages are US/UK-keyboard-centric
< 1222197364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although APL needed a keyboard of its own IIRC
< 1222197370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222197375 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Finnish keyboard is identical to the Swedish one, just to add one more point of data.)
< 1222197376 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is the http header to tell a browser to display the file, not download it?
< 1222197381 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. for xml with a stylesheet
< 1222197385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, erlang works pretty well, a few uses for altgr only
< 1222197387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1222197388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like $
< 1222197393 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I've made my dead keys undead.
< 1222197395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although IIRC it's different in IE for no apparent reason
< 1222197398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tuples {}
< 1222197402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not all the blocks :)
< 1222197426 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it content-disposition?
< 1222197435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be
< 1222197438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, application/xml+xhtml iirc?
< 1222197439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although isn't that for MIME type?
< 1222197440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait xml
< 1222197442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not xhtml
< 1222197443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222197447 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, no, you misunderstand
< 1222197447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :text/xml maybe then?
< 1222197460 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :safari & firefox etc see "application/xrds+xml" and think "lolwut? best download"
< 1222197465 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to keep that mime type - it is correct
< 1222197468 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tell the browser to display it
< 1222197474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222197476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content-disposition: is at least the one people use to do "forcedly download this file instead of displaying", so I guess it could work the other way around too.
< 1222197478 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1222197480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe content-disposition is the mime type browsers think it ought to be
< 1222197484 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content-Disposition: inline
< 1222197488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, got some example site where it works?
< 1222197492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222197493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that looks good
< 1222197495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, useful one
< 1222197502 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and "Content-Disposition: attachment" for the "download it you stupef browser" one.
< 1222197505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I wonder how to set that in lighttpd config
< 1222197514 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: stupef
< 1222197514 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222197525 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muphry's Law!
< 1222197528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, what happens if you put a META HTTP-Equiv in an HTML file saying it isn't actually HTML after all?
< 1222197550 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beh. Despite Content-Disposition: inline, my browser insists that downloading it is a good idea.
< 1222197561 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1222197561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, logically it should cause an infinite loop
< 1222197568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't being set
< 1222197569 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222197575 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no
< 1222197585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since it will not read the HTTP-Equiv since it isn't html
< 1222197593 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<html><meta http-equiv=content-type value=text/plain><p>hello world</p></html>
< 1222197597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it will see that it is html from the server headers
< 1222197597 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should display the source in text/plain
< 1222197605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I know my http & html specs correctly
< 1222197608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it will see that it really was
< 1222197609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1222197614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well that is boring
< 1222197619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and non-logical
< 1222197619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you so have to try that now
< 1222197622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it's logical
< 1222197624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a real webserver
< 1222197627 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you determine content type by:
< 1222197630 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. check header
< 1222197636 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. if header says html, check html head
< 1222197641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. if the head mentions something, it's actually that
< 1222197642 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. use that
< 1222197650 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how you can use value=application/xhtml+xml
< 1222197654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, on 3 *it should backtrack to 1*
< 1222197655 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though your server says text/html
< 1222197656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet you it doesn't actually work in practice with text/plain
< 1222197664 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then you couldn't use Content-Type _at all_
< 1222197668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no actual money, though
< 1222197673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm not certain
< 1222197683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, um I set my webserver to serve them as application/xhtml+xml... if the extension is .xhtml
< 1222197683 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Header onsuccess set Content-Disposition inline
< 1222197686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that should work...
< 1222197692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not everyone controls their host
< 1222197703 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but is it at least genuine monopoly money?
< 1222197704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, php then header().
< 1222197709 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
< 1222197716 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks AnMaster 
< 1222197719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you can run php
< 1222197725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used that trick a few times
< 1222197726 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I can. Will I unless needed? No,.
< 1222197731 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, it works for other headers.
< 1222197745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well of course, and you could actually use ruby or whatever instead
< 1222197755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I could use .htaccess, because this works:Header onsuccess set X-Pavatar http://tusho.net/avatar
< 1222197761 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore so should this:Header onsuccess set Content-Disposition inline
< 1222197764 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Firefox still renders the page "<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" value="text/plain"></head><body><p>foo</p></head></html>
< 1222197766 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I should fix the problem, whatever it is.
< 1222197767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" as HTML.
< 1222197772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, interesting
< 1222197775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Report a bug :P
< 1222197783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think fizzie's results may be right
< 1222197792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some things which can't be set in an http-equiv
< 1222197807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :content-type with arbitrary values seems to be a good candidate for that treatment
< 1222197824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can do http-equiv=content-type, value=text/html; charset=foo.
< 1222197831 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, http://www.w3.org/RDF/Validator/ARPServlet.tmp/servlet_34128.png is pretty.
< 1222197838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed
< 1222197884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I was born at an early age"?
< 1222197897 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH DUH
< 1222197899 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1222197900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222197908 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to sync the .htaccess, hah
< 1222197912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HTML spec is pretty vague about metadata. For HTML 4.01, "User agents are not required to support meta data mechanisms. For those that choose to support meta data, this specification does not define how meta data should be interpreted."
< 1222197927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for xhtml?
< 1222197929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: [citation needed]
< 1222197934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D
< 1222197960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah
< 1222197961 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content-Disposition: inline
< 1222197962 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it still downloads
< 1222197975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should at least link it
< 1222197985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Fact citation needed]
< 1222197994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, "Warning: implode() [function.implode]: Bad arguments. in /home/tusho/www/tusho.net/id/MyID.php on line 1569"
< 1222198013 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What did you do?
< 1222198016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, oh and http://tusho.net/id/ gives a directory index
< 1222198027 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah fuck.
< 1222198029 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What went wrong now...
< 1222198031 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1222198032 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh.
< 1222198034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, http://tusho.net/id/ gives a directory index, it was listed in that image. so I clicked in MyID.php
< 1222198039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, then I got that message
< 1222198040 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes okay, shut up, I'm fixing it
< 1222198051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it seems now they have a page [[w:Wikipedia:Citation needed]] to link people to
< 1222198057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hmm... it seems now they have a page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=Wikipedia:Citation_needed to link people to
< 1222198078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why doing it through search?
< 1222198080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an xkcd comic
< 1222198087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: my client does that automatically
< 1222198088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also I seen that before
< 1222198105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean wikipedia using it on that page
< 1222198109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1222198137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tusho.net/id/ -> "Internal Server Error"
< 1222198138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun tusho !
< 1222198147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXTERNAL SERVER ERROR
< 1222198151 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hi. Which part of "Shut up, I'm fixing it" did you not understand? Love, tusho.
< 1222198168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Love? Between you and AnMaster?
< 1222198175 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sarcasm, more like.
< 1222198181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is a bad citation
< 1222198183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real one was
< 1222198186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> yes okay, shut up, I'm fixing it
< 1222198191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and it was a different problem :P
< 1222198201 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Same problem.
< 1222198203 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a problem in the fix.
< 1222198228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"phpMyID is NOT compatible with Suhosin or other hardened PHP systems (Debian users take note)." <-- wtf, I wouldn't run php without Suhosin on a server
< 1222198242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does Suhosin do?
< 1222198258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://www.hardened-php.net/suhosin/
< 1222198301 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it works fine with suhoshin.
< 1222198311 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, if you read, it tells you why
< 1222198316 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suhoshin disables a core feature that is needed to do openid
< 1222198318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, their site has a dotted underscore on every instance of "PHP" which pops up a tooltip saying "Hypertext Preprocessor"
< 1222198365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for SQL and URL too
< 1222198367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222198393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't really the repetition that got me so much, but the fact that the tooltip is wrong
< 1222198422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does PHP stand for then?
< 1222198441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it may be "PHP Hypertext Preprocessor" nowadays, not sure though
< 1222198452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it used to be?
< 1222198457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personal Home Page
< 1222198461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1222198477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor" according to Wikipedia
< 1222198479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm almost right
< 1222198524 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Can't really find much from the XHTML spec either -- I mean, the legal syntax is there, but it doesn't seem to say much about the semantics of meta.
< 1222198538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222198590 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In contrast, HTML 5 draft does specify that if there is a http-equiv="content-type" thing, it must consist (case-insensitively) of the literal string "text/html;", then optional spaces and "charset=encoding"; it can't be used to change the type to something non-HTML.
< 1222198612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously, if it isn't HTML it doesn't conform to the HTML 5 spec
< 1222198647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of it this way: would it make sense to specify in the spec for INTERCAL, say, "If an INTERCAL program contains the string BLUE HAIR NOW, it is actually not an INTERCAL program"?
< 1222198667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.  Definitely.
< 1222198681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the spec would then be contradicting itself
< 1222198686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a nice almost-paradoxy thing that should optimally cause something more interesting than just working the way common sense says it does.
< 1222198744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is perfectly appropriate for an INTERCAL spec, within limits.
< 1222198775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... retrograde comments would be really useful
< 1222198785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which allow you to comment backwards to the start of the program
< 1222198792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can put anything you like before them
< 1222198797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one in a program is the only one that counts
< 1222198805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the others are commented out
< 1222198867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err, parsing would be painful :/
< 1222198874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1222198881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scan backwards for the first comment delimiter you find
< 1222198885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then discard everything before that
< 1222198888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a preprocessing phase
< 1222198895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hm
< 1222198987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that leaves only the question of keyword.  i suggest EXTERMINATE
< 1222199128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with optional hyphens
< 1222199217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this channel what DnD what alignments would you say the different people here have?
< 1222199223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/what/was/
< 1222199237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the first occurrence)
< 1222199258 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually by default it will replace the first occurrence only since you didn't add the 'g' modifier.
< 1222199266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the first appearance by default, you have to do something like s/^(.*)what/$1was/ to get the second
< 1222199277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed, but I wanted to be extra clear
< 1222199323 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: <msg id="lua"><![CDATA[function x() print ('abc') end]]></msg>
< 1222199323 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: 'if' is a function
< 1222199345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: in lua?
< 1222199345 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: except copy-on-write, but that just delays the blit
< 1222199359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... that was probably me who said that
< 1222199363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when discussing how fork() works
< 1222199367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: your wisdom is beyond compare
< 1222199368 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could not infect OpenBSD boxes with it, though
< 1222199384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that combination makes sense
< 1222199389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: you only run on Linux then?
< 1222199390 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also the world's best imperative language.
< 1222199399 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222199402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is obviously C
< 1222199405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs
< 1222199411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenBSD is secure against everything, even optbot's wisdom
< 1222199411 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lament
< 1222199421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: anything to add to this?
< 1222199422 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: its only as difficult as it might be that i only just learned it
< 1222199455 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is definitely chaotic here
< 1222199457 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fnord fizzie damned if i know
< 1222199478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: but are you good or evil?
< 1222199479 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fnord these fnord i learned the term. people usually don't stop.
< 1222199506 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Or neutral?
< 1222199507 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: every language an fsa recognizes can easily be poked to change their habits, even in fnord stores.
< 1222199522 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have many fnord stores around here. :/
< 1222199538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the evil word (albeit defectively), the answer should be obvious.
< 1222199549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you should so fill up fungot with logs from #nethack
< 1222199550 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course, but i
< 1222199567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: "Warning: implode() [function.implode]: Bad arguments. in /home/tusho/www/tusho.net/id/MyID.php on line 1569" still
< 1222199579 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hmm, maybe I should also be there too if it's that good.
< 1222199579 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't load that page then, it's an internal page, so shut up
< 1222199579 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is 'if' a function ?
< 1222199580 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: chicken has something like that
< 1222199582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not linked anywhere
< 1222199585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah ok
< 1222199594 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tusho.net/id/ is my OpenID.
< 1222199605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MyID.php is phpMyID, an OpenID implementation.
< 1222199613 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're accessing it directly so it's not getting the config
< 1222199628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what username and password should I put in there?
< 1222199632 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mine.
< 1222199640 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't know it, well, why are you trying to log in as me?
< 1222199645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1222199649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a login just for you
< 1222199666 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put tusho.net in an OpenID box, it gets, from the headers, a link to http://tusho.net/yadis
< 1222199669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: wasps
< 1222199669 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's go start a flamewar to cure your boredom),
< 1222199672 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which contains a link to http://tusho.net/id/
< 1222199684 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it uses that as my openid server
< 1222199689 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's how i can login as tusho.net
< 1222199729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: YOU ARE A RUBBISH BOT! HAH! EAT FLAMES,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,eheheheh...
< 1222199730 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: has scheme only 26 levels of recursion
< 1222199749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I doubt it
< 1222199749 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: LIES
< 1222199749 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: feel free to type the slash.
< 1222199750 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i dont know
< 1222199758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I doubt it/
< 1222199759 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why don't you try it out with some language settings might convert ( quote red)
< 1222199797 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tusho.net/
< 1222199806 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ an xml file rendered via xsl generating html
< 1222199818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a box has in the vicinity of London subway stations like a banana
< 1222199818 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no ignorance at all, really
< 1222199820 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoorah for advanced semantic web technology
< 1222199889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: is your web page sentient yet?
< 1222199894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw I think we all are more or less chaotic in here, or we wouldn't like esolangs ;P
< 1222199900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, but approaching it
< 1222200087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all chaotic by AnMaster's standards, but AnMaster is positively lawful compared to most of us
< 1222200100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I say you are lawful in certain ways
< 1222200104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely
< 1222200105 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1222200109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, agreed
< 1222200117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty lawful in some ways and chaotic in others
< 1222200120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably everyone is
< 1222200123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1222200203 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tusho.net/ now looks pretty cool, too!
< 1222200219 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now just to add my IM accounts and i'm done
< 1222200234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, does the openid have to be an url?
< 1222200241 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222200248 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222200248 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1222200250 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an http uri
< 1222200259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah no uri then?
< 1222200276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://openid.net/get/ says "URI" under "Roll Your Own"
< 1222200287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1222200289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1222200301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I want urn: OpenID ;)
< 1222200301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222200313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http:// uris are uris
< 1222200315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is a URI
< 1222200318 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just has other constraints too
< 1222200322 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it couldn't validate urn: openids
< 1222200324 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is it has to communicate
< 1222200328 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it can validate that you are you
< 1222200339 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(specifically, that you own the openid you entered)
< 1222200728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what happens if you ever change domain?
< 1222200736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will that block the accounts you have?
< 1222200742 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes.
< 1222200743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't.
< 1222200743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer normal username and password then
< 1222200755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything expires.
< 1222200760 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Username and password are no more durable.
< 1222200762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also.
< 1222200767 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your OpenID doesn't have to be in the same place.
< 1222200767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes they are
< 1222200774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm?
< 1222200779 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can change as long as the URI containing the pointer to it stays the same.
< 1222200781 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I set my PGP key to a two-year expiry
< 1222200788 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't expect to control my email address beyond then
< 1222200797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, yes I have 3 years
< 1222200803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could switch from a livejournal ID, say, to myopenid.com, to a self-hosted one
< 1222200805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep the same URI
< 1222200811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I will add a new id and revoke the old id, on the same key
< 1222200813 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as that URI stays up
< 1222200815 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you change the location it points to as a openid
< 1222200819 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most services let you do that
< 1222200824 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you login with an openid and create an account
< 1222200830 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later, you can associate a different openid with that
< 1222200834 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then login with that instead
< 1222200835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm...
< 1222200845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accounts on each servers, but only one login.
< 1222200858 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, it'd be a hassle to change them all, but hopefully that URI doesn't change often enough for that to be a problem...
< 1222200865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what about fallback login with user/pass
< 1222200870 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1222200879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although yes, most services allow that too.
< 1222200890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, because I think I will control my user/pass way better than a openid
< 1222200895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an openid can change
< 1222200902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a domain get sold
< 1222200903 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? It's all your obligation.
< 1222200904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1222200910 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A domain gets sold if you let it expire yourself.
< 1222200921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I may not have the money
< 1222200927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point
< 1222200931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows
< 1222200932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Fine, so switch your openid on things just before the domain expires.
< 1222200945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no I just prefer normal user/pass
< 1222200951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a nice idea yes, but..
< 1222200954 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. "It's better because it's better."
< 1222200963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, eh?
< 1222200968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like the openid idea
< 1222200969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222200973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it have some flaws
< 1222200979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the one I mentioned
< 1222200983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the ones you're mentioning, though.
< 1222200996 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1222200998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it is *one* of the flaws
< 1222201007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, involving a third party is another
< 1222201018 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third parties are not involved.
< 1222201028 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you explicitly do so by using an openid host.
< 1222201042 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice: Undefined variable: commenter_portrait_url in user/themes/tusho-blogs-2/post.php line 52
< 1222201047 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Aware.
< 1222201049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes but the majority of the users don't have their own servers or their own domains
< 1222201060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So then they have to use a third-party, just like they would have to for any service.
< 1222201089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, not if the site they want to login on uses user/pass
< 1222201098 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes - the third party is the site.
< 1222201106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no that is the second party
< 1222201113 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a year ago reddit's database got hacked.
< 1222201118 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out they stored passwords in plaintext.
< 1222201122 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So everybody's password was stolen.
< 1222201129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did it so they could offer a 'forgotten your password' feature.
< 1222201129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well that would affect *one* site
< 1222201136 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, third parties are more trustable than second parties.
< 1222201155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and forgotten your password should reset pass to a random string
< 1222201159 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know i'd trust an established openid host by the company that created openid and is endorsed by tons of people & organizations
< 1222201167 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over some random site I want to use.
< 1222201187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, a company can go bankrupt
< 1222201197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have server issues and be down when you need to login
< 1222201199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything can fail.
< 1222201205 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a question of what fails the least.
< 1222201212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while user/pass just depends on the site you want to login on
< 1222201221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't block logging in on other sites
< 1222201266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much less damage done
< 1222201277 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am too busy to continue this, as always I'll point you to #openid for further discussion.
< 1222201290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, a hacked password affects *one* site
< 1222201298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always use different passwords for different sites
< 1222201299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always
< 1222201305 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#openid
< 1222201317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there was that big controversy in the US recently where someone 'hacked' Sarah Palin's email, by guessing the answer to her password reset question IIRC
< 1222201320 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just looove it when AnMaster does something in direct ignorance of my last message one message after)
< 1222201332 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It was a guy from /b/, incidentally.
< 1222201337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'm not surprised
< 1222201348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but it would not affect all her other services. Only her email
< 1222201361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, while with openid it would allow access to *many* services
< 1222201371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... OTOH, OpenID would prevent there being easily guessable reset questions in the first place
< 1222201379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's all a matter of balances everywhere
< 1222201386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, reset option shouldn't be easy
< 1222201401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it was
< 1222201429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should require sending to your email which I admit is hard for an email account, but then I suggest a phone call is needed from the isp to the customer to reset pass for that
< 1222201434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the only sane way for email
< 1222201463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not voip phone but real landline phone
< 1222201494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that'd fuck me over a few years ago, then
< 1222201500 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, i agreed to being 13 or over...
< 1222201514 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was incredibly shy (even more so than now) and, er, my voice was obviously not 13 :P
< 1222201515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm?
< 1222201533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well no solution is perfect
< 1222201545 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a solution is don't forget your password.
< 1222201552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I'm sure that could be explained for a human
< 1222201581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well people can still fire off the password reset questions even if the account's password is forgotten
< 1222201591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as many times as they like, often...
< 1222201593 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because they're trivial for anyone
< 1222201611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some places I've had to set up reset questions
< 1222201616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they let me pick my question
< 1222201623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes that sucks
< 1222201624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I made it hard, obscure and without context
< 1222201634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i make my question 'what is your mothers maiden name'
< 1222201638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they force you to
< 1222201638 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer iudfshsdiufhlsdfijaklsdhaksehu3iqey2378hny78qwjycd89asi8dmnuqwe
< 1222201644 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222201645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was something not very important, so I designed it so my family could guess it and nobody else could
< 1222201650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, just in case...
< 1222201658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I hope that isn't the real one ;P
< 1222201667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: depends on my entropy at the time...
< 1222201673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah right
< 1222201674 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you seed my random-finger-basher the right way...
< 1222201675 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222201692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the security questions normally have restrictions on them
< 1222201695 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Gmail has a sneaky feature in that the password reset question is only enabled if the account has not been used for five days; so if you actively use your account, no-one can use the reset feature; and if you really forget the password, you just have to wait a few days.
< 1222201708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means the right answer doesn't get through their weak-password-detector
< 1222201760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, actually that is rather predictable, a human will distribute about half the key presses on the left and the right side, and on average every other key press alternate between right and left side iirc
< 1222201770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not perfectly but on average
< 1222201774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what-everrrrrrrrrrrrr
< 1222201824 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you still need the keyboard layout ;-)
< 1222201835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also two key presses after each other tends to be different keys
< 1222201842 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error loading stylesheet: An unknown error has occurred ()
< 1222201845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helpful
< 1222201856 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: more so than "Error: no error"
< 1222201889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and repeating the key like abab is rather common
< 1222201913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> and the answer iudfshsdiufhlsdfijaklsdhaksehu3iqey2378hny78qwjycd89asi8dmnuqwe <-- no 'aa', but a few 'abab style repeats
< 1222201920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'abab'*
< 1222201921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sruq894ue98tjmf98ujirkuioaua89w4k09e8rsah7ye8a95jye6897hyyujmriouj89048dk89es7kru8txinjcv dhjkzsu98ra7ik8sdiopufjdnvm hsektufy978
< 1222201938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, more random in that aspect ;)
< 1222201951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still quite a few abab style
< 1222201956 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just "head -b100 < /dev/urandom"
< 1222201966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| uuencode if you want it printable
< 1222201982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use head of urandom then filter it through tr
< 1222202326 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any ideas why http://tusho.net/ doesn't render?brb
< 1222202348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/quAcgw35.html
< 1222202363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I get "Error loading stylesheet: (null)" in firefox
< 1222202365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Konq I get all the text
< 1222202367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing else
< 1222202370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no formatting or anything
< 1222202375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a list of text, one after another
< 1222202404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<?xml-stylesheet href="foaf.xsl" type="text/xsl"?>
< 1222202410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, does that file exist? work?
< 1222202445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... are you using XSLT to convert FOAF into XHTML?
< 1222202457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, validating the style sheet gives "no doctype found, will only check well-formedness"
< 1222202463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then "document is well formed"
< 1222202772 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1222202786 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm... are you using XSLT to convert FOAF into XHTML?
< 1222202786 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222202789 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no it's an xsl problem
< 1222202791 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not xml syntax
< 1222202815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes very likely
< 1222202832 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh i already knew all that
< 1222202832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I just tried to check the basics
< 1222202835 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222203201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xsltproc gives rather better error messages than browsers, IIRC; at least that (or some other command line tool from libxslt or something) was what I used when writing a relatively complicated html-with-xsl thing few years back.
< 1222203257 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XPath error : Undefined namespace prefix
< 1222203257 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmlXPathCompiledEval: evaluation failed
< 1222203257 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :runtime error: file foaf.xsl line 47 element value-of
< 1222203257 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XPath evaluation returned no result.
< 1222203258 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oicccccccc
< 1222203268 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1222203272 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH NAMESPACE PREFIX YOU FUCKER
< 1222203273 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1222203274 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222203276 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line 47
< 1222203280 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        <dt><xsl:value-of select="foaf:OnlineChatAccount/@rdfs:label"/></dt>
< 1222203283 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1222203285 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdfs
< 1222203288 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1222203342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoorah
< 1222203342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tusho.net/
< 1222203374 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ possibly the most semantically advanced URI for a personal homepage evar
< 1222203404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A FOAF document processed via XSLT into XHTML and in the headers a Pavatar header and a YADIS pointer (also gives YADIS via Accept header)
< 1222203408 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the YADIS contains a link to my openid.
< 1222203412 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beat that.
< 1222203455 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that picture in the corner?
< 1222203459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what is the olb tag for?
< 1222203467 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my avatar
< 1222203480 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Protip - when faced with unknown schemas, go to the namespace URI
< 1222203483 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(xmlns:olb)
< 1222203492 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://purl.org/vocab/bio/0.1/olb
< 1222203495 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One-Line Bio
< 1222203499 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for foaf:Persons.
< 1222203506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you like answering oerjan but why not try to act decent towards me too?
< 1222203513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could help :P
< 1222203523 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oerjan's question wasn't answerable by trivial research on his own
< 1222203525 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours was
< 1222203529 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222203551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, in this case sure, but I noticed that if ais523 asks something googable you respond
< 1222203560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while that isn't true if I ask
< 1222203562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still wondering what the picture _is_
< 1222203567 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222203574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of)
< 1222203574 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i can show you the entire picture if that might help
< 1222203585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ask Googlable stuff on IRC all the time, I'm better at using IRC than I am at using Google
< 1222203586 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye
< 1222203598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes I wonder what it is too
< 1222203599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://tentaclerapture.com/uploads/AccountPictures/a0c941ca5f6d27efb1008e61f473813f.jpg
< 1222203603 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figure it out from that.
< 1222203604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asking someone who knows is more reliable than asking a search engine that's being manipulated by thousands of people across the world
< 1222203617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope it's not related to the site name...
< 1222203630 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no :P
< 1222203638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, agreed
< 1222203715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm what is that site you linked about, the main page is just an anonymous login page heh
< 1222203743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: All the information that is wished to be exposed about that site is on the front page.
< 1222203749 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will note the footer includes a reference to some forum software.
< 1222203757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes?
< 1222203759 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you tell what it is yet
< 1222203766 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's all you're getting, then
< 1222203768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222203781 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that black hole is my chair
< 1222203785 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look behind it
< 1222203787 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should give some context
< 1222203790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, but if it was a link to phpBB would it be related to the site using it?
< 1222203795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cloicks
< 1222203797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clicks*
< 1222203801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no
< 1222203804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<a href="phpbb.com">C-INTERCAL</a>
< 1222203805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just tells you that it is a forum
< 1222203814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*<a href="http://phpbb.com">C-INTERCAL</a>
< 1222203817 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: googlebomber!
< 1222203821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, doesn't say what the forum is about
< 1222203826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see something that _might_ be part of a guitar
< 1222203827 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it doesn't
< 1222203833 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, the front page is all the info you're getting
< 1222203840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was more info wished to be exposed, the front page would include it
< 1222203842 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: corect
< 1222203844 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*correct
< 1222203849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: corrected
< 1222203858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, who are "we"?
< 1222203858 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bump in the top-left is a television
< 1222203869 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I never used the word 'we'.
< 1222203881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah misread than
< 1222203882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and the bottom-right thing, which my av comes from, is an imac box
< 1222203883 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with stuff on.
< 1222203888 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But 'we' would be the members.
< 1222203920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and what is that site above since you are a member. Really bad style not even saying "invite only forum about <foo>" on the main page or such
< 1222203941 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Can't you grasp the concept of "We don't want to tell you anything, go away"?
< 1222203946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the concept that the main page conveys.
< 1222203953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and that is bad style IMO :P
< 1222203971 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but your world of good style conflicts with human nature.
< 1222203981 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, the want of secrecy.
< 1222203994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the guitar I can see, but apart from that nothing
< 1222203999 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-26-23.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222204003 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe ais523 knows what it is due to discussions I've had with him of the development of a custom piece of software for it.
< 1222204004 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222204014 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: top left bulb is a tv
< 1222204018 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottom right thing is an imac box with stuff on it
< 1222204031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what sort of lights did you use?
< 1222204033 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that part of it, blown up, looks neat.
< 1222204040 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: photo booth glow effect
< 1222204044 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was dark at the time
< 1222204047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you should have copied the photo elsewhere first
< 1222204051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid this discussion
< 1222204060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was spur of the moment
< 1222204063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a http://secretwebsite.invalid, why link it?
< 1222204068 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was messing with photo booth
< 1222204070 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1222204071 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean
< 1222204073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about tr.com
< 1222204077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222204079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because that's where the image was conveniently
< 1222204090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i linked to a file incidentally on the secret site
< 1222204099 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, i'm all for it being linked to
< 1222204100 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusion is fun
< 1222204114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: shall we move this conversation over to ##a-cow?
< 1222204131 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222204384 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O
< 1222204396 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that secret too :D
< 1222204400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222204414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be, as I linked it here
< 1222204428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true
< 1222204477 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there is any language where word duplication is the usual means of negating
< 1222204550 0 :Slereah2!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-26-23.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222204584 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's a really really good idea.
< 1222204600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Usenet
< 1222204602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's tripling
< 1222204613 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm?
< 1222204628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die and so on
< 1222204631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know they love him really
< 1222204646 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222204659 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222204670 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt.lucas-arts.star-wars.jar-jar-binks.die.die.die
< 1222204683 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1222204693 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt.fan.starwars.jar-jar-binks.die.die.die
< 1222204697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say the evidence is - inconclusive :D
< 1222204749 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall there is alt.fan.swedish-chef.bork.bork.bork or something close
< 1222204769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may be the trope starter
< 1222204790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :context.noun.verb.verb.verb is pretty common, iirc
< 1222205272 0 :kar8ng1!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222205563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1222205823 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who has IE
< 1222205832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sitting next to a computer with IE installed
< 1222205845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't mind waiting 10 mins or so for it to log in, I'll try
< 1222205849 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how badly does tusho.net fail in it?
< 1222205850 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222205868 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wait
< 1222205871 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a friend can check
< 1222205878 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsurprisingly it fails in lynx
< 1222205881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've started logging in now, thoughh
< 1222205885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you check in w3m, perhaps?
< 1222205886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it workes in Epiphany over here
< 1222205887 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have it here
< 1222205888 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't compile
< 1222205895 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the friend can't do it with IE anyway
< 1222205909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w3m tries to download
< 1222205918 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsurprised
< 1222205937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAARGH!
< 1222205938 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, w3m is unlikely to contain an xslt implementation :P
< 1222205948 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAARGH?
< 1222205956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\?/!/
< 1222205967 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: esplain :O
< 1222205979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, first, unexpectedly, it works perfectly in IE7
< 1222205991 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wow
< 1222205991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as well as in Epiphany
< 1222205995 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O
< 1222206006 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I have a lot more respect for IE7 than I did a minute ago...
< 1222206013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second, they've set up the computers here so now there are no roaming profiles
< 1222206021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all computers have temporary settings which are lost on logout
< 1222206027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, they 'upgraded' to Word 2007
< 1222206031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bad sign
< 1222206036 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with word 2007?
< 1222206041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably Microsoft forced it on them though, there's far too close an agreement
< 1222206045 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard a lot of good things about it and the negative things have been very vague
< 1222206055 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. i like the idea of the ribbon
< 1222206057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it encourages people to save in formats they can't use, for one thing
< 1222206061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the ribbon, it's missing the point
< 1222206063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of toolbars
< 1222206071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ribbon replaces menus adequately
< 1222206079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you don't have quick access to the things you need
< 1222206089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one line of toolbar is enough, you can find everything else on the menus
< 1222206098 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nielson had the ribbon as one of the best UI innovations of recent years
< 1222206100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ribbons you just get giant menus you can't hide and no toolbars
< 1222206124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm most annoyed at the compatibility breakage, really
< 1222206164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Word keeps getting "cleverer" and "cleverer"
< 1222206173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the point it becomes almost unusable due to all the things it's doing automatically
< 1222206174 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :docx sucks, indeed
< 1222206189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like Smart Tags
< 1222206490 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I am
< 1222206748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the profiles thing is annoying because it means I have to live with XP's interface
< 1222206757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else reset it to Windows 95's every time I log in
< 1222206767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I'll just stick to Linux, it's less hassle
< 1222208664 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
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< 1222208882 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222208973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1222209738 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222211299 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1222211876 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose you're here any longer, but does http://zem.fi/g2map/index.cgi/Travel/2007/Lieksa happen to work in IE? I'm a bit surprised if it does, since I didn't really test it with that at all. (Wrote that thing last summer for some GPS-synchronized photos, haven't bothered to take more.)
< 1222211895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would look suspicious logging on this late to test one website in IE
< 1222211903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try some time later for you if you like
< 1222211930 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you feel like it. It's nothing important, though.
< 1222211946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that cases I'll try iff I remember
< 1222211953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/cases/case/
< 1222212024 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I only have IE6 on Wine, but suffice to say that it doesn't seem to work.
< 1222212077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working in IE6 would be even more surprising than IE7.
< 1222212151 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that if it does happen to work in IE7 you'll fix that?
< 1222212247 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could, although I doubt anyone stumbles upon it, probably not very many (if any) links to it. I think using the Google Maps Javascript stuff gets me some free portamability, since some mouse-click events are registered with GEvent.addListener() which probably does IE-support-magic.
< 1222212315 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And actually now that I look at the Javascript, there's even some "if (window.addEventListener) { addEventListener(...) } else { attachEvent(...) }" type code, which might mean I've made some half-assed attempts to make it work.
< 1222213259 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222214220 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lolwut@those directions
< 1222214237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222214296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"9"
< 1222214910 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The longer descriptions at the image pages are more... verbose.
< 1222214952 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the one with the short description "mailboxes" has a long description: "Mailboxes. Lowercase 'a', lowercase 'b'... uppercase 'C'? Why? Why?! OHGAHGHGHAGH WHAT DOES IT MEAN!! AN ARMY OF SNEEZING WANGS STALKS MY NIGHTMARE ...really, there wasn't that much to see."
< 1222214981 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep is necessary now. Already 02am in this time zone.
< 1222216737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222217709 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1222218263 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My discovery of the day: Chocolate + maple = good
< 1222221917 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION won in a shoppa match (in Worms)
< 1222228090 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | and it does actually have goto :P
< 1222231301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My discovery of the day: CengageNOW sucks balls.
< 1222231335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The homework in my calc III class is done via it...
< 1222231340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, it is currently down.
< 1222232597 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-98-89-121.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222235316 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-122-224.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222235893 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"
< 1222236110 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222237109 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1222239928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1222240572 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1222243199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1222243754 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222244121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is recursion. It is perfectly normal and no cause for alarm.
< 1222244254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Re topic, what has goto?
< 1222244254 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's not monospaced.
< 1222244270 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Blame your IRC client for the font, not me.
< 1222244270 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ello!
< 1222244276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Well hey there!
< 1222244276 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Then I let go :-P
< 1222244287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't, we like you!
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< 1222246100 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1222247637 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222248527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1222249690 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | where a pointer of some sort travels through the whitespace, constrained by black pixel walls, with other color pixels being instructions.
< 1222253060 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222253181 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-26-23.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222254716 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.68.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222254794 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta love the phrase 'AN ARMY OF SNEEZING WANGS STALKS MY NIGHTMARE'
< 1222254809 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222254882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: AN ARMY OF SNEEZING WANGS STALKS MY NIGHTMARE
< 1222254898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1222254904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just read the logs
< 1222254916 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222254920 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had said that i love the phrase
< 1222254925 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not that they did, in fact, stalk my nightmare
< 1222254933 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave you new information
< 1222254938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222254946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/g2/v/Travel/2007/Lieksa/img_3488.jpg.html hahahaha "Beware of crazy people skiing without snow." :D
< 1222254964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wang = jaw or jawbone
< 1222254986 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. a slap, a blow
< 1222255002 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wang#Etymology_2, I assume
< 1222255005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are these chinese people?
< 1222255025 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiktionary never comes up when i google
< 1222255049 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't google :P
< 1222255085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the fourth google page
< 1222255115 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/g2/v/Travel/2007/Lieksa/img_3499.jpg.html
< 1222255116 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOOOOOOOOOM
< 1222255127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like portals
< 1222255128 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for TIME
< 1222255370 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So, how much do you love noodles?"
< 1222255567 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should've tried to find that same tree, though. But I didn't have the sign picture as a reference when taking the new one.
< 1222255641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does an army of sneezing wangs still stalk your nightmare?
< 1222256070 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it has receded. The source was http://isometric.sixsided.org/_/i_have_horrible_allergies/ -- doesn't seem to be too googlable, thanks to the text-in-pictures thing.
< 1222256241 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: reminds me of storygen
< 1222256775 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaiz
< 1222256781 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Mathematica well?
< 1222256798 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 does
< 1222256799 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda
< 1222256861 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a function that transforms a function into the computation of its error?
< 1222256874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno lol
< 1222256901 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a*b -> ((Da/a) + (Db/b) + (Da*Db/a*b)) *ab
< 1222256927 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried looking for "error" in the help, but all I get are error functions.
< 1222257023 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propagation_of_error
< 1222257026 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that shit
< 1222258151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ayeh! The pain!"
< 1222258357 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite an esoteric language - http://www.gameroo.nl/games/light-bot
< 1222258450 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The whole notion of significant digits is heavily flawed"
< 1222258457 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you physics professors >:|
< 1222258639 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222258658 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are you there?
< 1222260760 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-72-160.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222260815 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
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< 1222265897 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222266072 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1222266072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1222266165 0 :ihope!n=Peggy@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1222266578 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Do you like Lua ?
< 1222266578 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: And it's cheap!
< 1222266608 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, are u sure ? ;)
< 1222266608 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: is it just like that?
< 1222266615 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1222267363 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222268196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, are you a random bot or do you actually try to make sense? ;P
< 1222268197 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: This is, to quote Marimite, my way of ``running away'' from exams :P
< 1222268212 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that made sense
< 1222268213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, are you trying to avoid my question?
< 1222268214 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a few of them is alright
< 1222268219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes more or less
< 1222268221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D
< 1222268257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he may be saying that it is his way to relax, to turn his brain off
< 1222268262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, are you male or female?
< 1222268262 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hard to say if something is a euphamism
< 1222268285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1222268288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hes saying that genders don't matter to him
< 1222268292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222268294 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor relationships
< 1222268298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you are right
< 1222268307 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: and yet you're cheerful?
< 1222268307 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: speaking of drugs, i need caffeine
< 1222268311 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1222268313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his solution is drugs.
< 1222268316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1222268317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is bad
< 1222268320 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222268324 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: we're gonna have to put you in rehab
< 1222268325 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: to allow pushing several in one row
< 1222268331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222268336 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: no, you can't take drugs any more sorry
< 1222268336 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what is your complaint
< 1222268347 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: drugs are bad for computer programs mmkay
< 1222268347 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I dunno. :|
< 1222268352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and that explains why he is talking nonsense sometimes. Some drugs make you act weird
< 1222268359 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: no, i'm pretty sure artificial programs in memory shouldn't take drugs :D
< 1222268360 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: can i try?
< 1222268363 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: NO DAMNIT
< 1222268364 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: smalltalk is pretty cool.
< 1222268371 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: yes i can see you are an expert at it
< 1222268371 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: then i realized it actually was elp!
< 1222268377 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_____________________o
< 1222268381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elp is?
< 1222268385 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: what is elp
< 1222268385 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well the ones with a computational agent, a turtle, are the ones people usually make, simple to invent, usually tc, not at all nice to program
< 1222268397 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like he's back on the drugs
< 1222268411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, actually he may be speaking of Logo
< 1222268413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turtles
< 1222268417 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222268419 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is elp
< 1222268426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, now that I can't answer
< 1222268453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders
< 1222268478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, maybe a drug?
< 1222268533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, so were you talking about Logo there?
< 1222268534 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah.
< 1222268567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, That reply would had made sense for a statement, but I asked a question...
< 1222268567 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "nats"?
< 1222268577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, definitely drugs I think...
< 1222268892 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: (define (foo x) (+ x x))(foo 10)
< 1222268892 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: There's a family name in my family that hasn't been used for, oh, ten generations or so.
< 1222268954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, what name is that?
< 1222268954 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's wrong with this one?, (define (fib n) (+ (fib (- n 1) (- n 2))))
< 1222268977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, sorry don't know lisp really
< 1222268978 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: unsafe functionality in PSOX: Things like opening files
< 1222269008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, for any PSOX discussion I suggest talking to Sgeo
< 1222269008 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it was actually me not understanding git that made me take so long
< 1222269083 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: (let ([x 42][y 18])(+ x y))
< 1222269083 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: (Kipple note) Since kipple buffers input, you will have to send all of the input and then an EOF command.  See !help eof
< 1222269180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help eof
< 1222269183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222269190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, What is Kipple?
< 1222269191 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's why we should use artificial intelligence to do it for us. :-)
< 1222269196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1222269198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab
< 1222270089 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222270099 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-26-23.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222271290 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | oh
< 1222272205 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were these groups of old guys proselytizing with their little green fairytale books on campus today. On the way from my bus stop to my building there were three, which is ridiculous because it's one block.
< 1222272220 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I told the first one to fuck off, and neither of the other two bothered me.
< 1222272222 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I been marked?
< 1222273073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fuck! AnMaster told ais523 to rotate HIS logs, look at THIS:
< 1222273074 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r----- 1 root adm 1.5G Sep 24 15:16 /var/log/apache2/access.log
< 1222273086 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, files are there to be there!
< 1222273754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, need to be rotated too
< 1222273761 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1222273771 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of logrotation, it's just battling against the real problem
< 1222273775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inferior tools & filesystems
< 1222273789 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the file represents the accesses to the webserver.
< 1222273792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222273793 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has never been a problem
< 1222273797 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly, we just tail it to check stuff
< 1222273801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or occasionally grep it
< 1222273807 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably nowadays we'd have to tail|grep, but whatever
< 1222273812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's fine, really
< 1222273818 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it did surprise me when seeing a file that big :D
< 1222273831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you want to keep logs forever?
< 1222273842 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: when I don't I'll cut the file
< 1222273864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, another good reason for log rotation: compressing old log files
< 1222273866 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I am very fond of preserving ephemera
< 1222273882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that is true, but we have tons free
< 1222273895 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not _tons_ but still
< 1222273901 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1222273907 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual log rotation is mostly silly to me
< 1222273910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I guess it is fine then
< 1222273923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're google... sure, do it
< 1222273925 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll probably use up 10gb+ logs a day anyway
< 1222273932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rutian is extremely low activity, i can archive logs manually no problem
< 1222273966 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to open the access log in vim
< 1222273977 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, think its trying to load the whole thing.
< 1222273979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb.
< 1222274009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, most text editors do that
< 1222274025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's a bit silly, really
< 1222274029 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big files exist...
< 1222274032 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1222274037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi circa 1970
< 1222274039 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't
< 1222274040 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1222274043 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it is
< 1222274051 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite snappy
< 1222274052 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nice
< 1222274063 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222274066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has only loaded up to august :P
< 1222274084 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only reason these logs are so big = the Counter
< 1222274090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes 3 http requests every .5 seconds
< 1222274094 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of whether you click or not
< 1222274102 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't exactly design it for high traffic...
< 1222274110 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ for.*//
< 1222274222 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rotate my irc-logs monthly so that if I know approximately when something was said, I can "grep foo freenode/#chan/2007-0[6-9]*" for it.
< 1222274236 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For active channels the grep-time is a bit big otherwise.
< 1222274238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think this is kind of a case for putting logs in a database
< 1222274249 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :date-based is just ONE of the ways you might wanna search logs...
< 1222274256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much work for so little benefit, I think.
< 1222274258 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222274259 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222274268 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222274271 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1222274334 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.68.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222274634 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222274649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523
< 1222274677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1222274691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any gcc-bf news?
< 1222274695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222274698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :busy in RL, ish
< 1222274707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222274713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also trying to help tusho out of a huge amount of trouble e's got emself into in Agora
< 1222274741 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing that can be done save if the ratification was retroactive and thus the message's claim of identity was never a lie
< 1222275126 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-26-23.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222275714 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-10-94.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222276517 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1222276517 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1222276756 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222276770 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-26-23.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222276951 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222276981 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-26-23.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222277289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :away for the evening
< 1222277290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya
< 1222277317 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1222277578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1222278028 0 :CO2Games!n=CO2Games@75-173-245-211.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222278393 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222280512 0 :tusho_!n=tusho@91.105.117.163 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222280706 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1222280710 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1222280711 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tusho
< 1222280723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello underscore
< 1222280733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has said hi to the rest of tusho_ already
< 1222280795 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222280898 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoh
< 1222280909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1222281026 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah!
< 1222281220 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hih !
< 1222281803 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :höh
< 1222281810 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h€h
< 1222281817 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :häh
< 1222281829 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hµh
< 1222281832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hŷh?
< 1222281833 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huoh
< 1222281902 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hèh
< 1222281928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hẹh
< 1222282026 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h&h
< 1222282180 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this, a language based on commands inside pairs of h's?
< 1222282204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an ad-hoc meme that lasts a few minutes
< 1222282206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they happen
< 1222282481 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222285140 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222285527 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1222285650 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222287629 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222287630 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1222287636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222287671 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1222288118 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1222288122 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1222288125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye Mony
< 1222288139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, does anyone remember Mony doing anything here but saying hi and goodbye
< 1222288149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and occasionally joining in pointless memes like that h.*h thing above?
< 1222288154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I mind
< 1222288157 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-09-24 16:30:08 ( Mony) optbot, are u sure ? ;)
< 1222288158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a bit unusual
< 1222288158 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: D:
< 1222288185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider optbot another pointless meme, really
< 1222288185 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, here we go
< 1222288186 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok
< 1222288186 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-09-03 20:52:23( Mony) does anyone got a good tutorial about the PE Format ?
< 1222288190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1222288201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is something substantive, at least
< 1222288219 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all for this month, though :-P
< 1222288644 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222288644 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1222288686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222288690 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1222288968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, as for that discussion we had a while ago about answering the question vs. asking wtf someone is doing:
< 1222288985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone on comp.lang.c asked how to load Notepad from a CGI script, without the script waiting for it to finish
< 1222289009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even think of an eso reason why that is even a remotely good idea...
< 1222289013 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222289138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: simple
< 1222289143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did something similar a while back
< 1222289147 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason is
< 1222289148 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a CMS
< 1222289152 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on flat files
< 1222289155 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1222289162 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your site copy
< 1222289166 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it links to
< 1222289166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, someone actually did give the correct answer (system("start notepad"))
< 1222289173 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://local-copy/edit?page=foo
< 1222289175 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then
< 1222289178 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your local copy
< 1222289182 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that runs notepad on the cms file
< 1222289186 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and redirects immediately back to the page
< 1222289195 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for you, you can click 'edit' on the site copy, and get a notepad window pop up
< 1222289254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... that's clever
< 1222289258 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222289262 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with mine it opened textmate
< 1222289273 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i actually like, mostly
< 1222289277 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from haskell & lisp
< 1222289281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, there's an eso reason for everything!
< 1222289281 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it sucks at, so i use emacs
< 1222289288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: to be honest, though, i doubt that person had that in mind
< 1222289293 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do something that clever, then you don't use notepad.
< 1222289308 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps for staff to edit it
< 1222289315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although staff would generally prefer wysiwyg, really...
< 1222289601 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-63-238.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222289935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1222290260 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notepad is a nice program
< 1222290278 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it opens fast and has an evenly-spaced font by default
< 1222290291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: no it doesn't open fast on large files
< 1222290303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it doesn't open at all on large files
< 1222290304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this the hard way
< 1222290312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, that's right, used not to
< 1222290320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they fixed that some time around XP, or possibly Vista, though
< 1222290325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm? it suggests using word pad instead
< 1222290326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1222290334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was with older versions
< 1222290354 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it doesn't, wordpad will work for the rest of the cases, except you need to change the font, and it takes about half a second more to open
< 1222290431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IME Wordpad used courier new for text files by default
< 1222290471 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to, yes
< 1222290475 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have vista now.
< 1222290484 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses Arial
< 1222290487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1222290489 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arial?
< 1222290491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did they change that?
< 1222290495 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea
< 1222290496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Arial, in Vista?
< 1222290496 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... vista deprecated arial
< 1222290499 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of
< 1222290505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: actually XP deprecated arial, for Verdana
< 1222290507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1222290514 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: verdana is awful, though :P
< 1222290515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Vista deprecated Verdana for Calibri
< 1222290517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC
< 1222290522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verdana is worse than Arial
< 1222290524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1222290527 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is when i open wordpad, it uses arial.
< 1222290533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's alright if you compress it to 90% width
< 1222290536 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verdana is just awful awful awful
< 1222290538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Calibri?
< 1222290539 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously
< 1222290544 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: calibri is a new font
< 1222290548 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with cambria and consolas
< 1222290550 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and others, i think
< 1222290554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made by MS for vista
< 1222290556 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222290557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there's 6 of them IIRC
< 1222290559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all starting with C
< 1222290561 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made by $type_foundry for MS for vista
< 1222290565 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all fonts are equal up to evenly-spacedness
< 1222290573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1222290575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: even Wingdings?
< 1222290579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Lucida Password?
< 1222290581 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine microsoft making a font...
< 1222290582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1222290589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: MS Sans Serif
< 1222290596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calibri is Office 2007 default, too; can't remember which one came first, Office 2007 or Vista.
< 1222290597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't all that bad actually for on-screen use
< 1222290600 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WHY DID YOU HAVE TO REMIND ME!!!
< 1222290608 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: some fonts you need to learn to read, yes, i guess that's another difference
< 1222290608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible for printing ofc
< 1222290617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, tusho: Ms Comic Sans ;D
< 1222290620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Lucida Password can't be read at all
< 1222290624 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222290624 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft did not make comic sans.
< 1222290625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it maps every printable character to *
< 1222290634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, who made then=
< 1222290635 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i guess i'm wrong, but only a little bit.
< 1222290640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/
< 1222290646 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: vincent connare
< 1222290648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :additionally
< 1222290651 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comic sans is not bad
< 1222290653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just most uses
< 1222290657 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :overwhelmingly mot uses
< 1222290658 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*most
< 1222290663 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for comics and similar... it's fine...
< 1222290665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it's for.
< 1222290671 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was designed for microsoft bob's interface text, heh
< 1222290675 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's not bad, it's just useless ;-)
< 1222290679 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which was all in speech bubbles)
< 1222290683 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: if you don't make comics or similar, sure.
< 1222290685 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222290688 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean actual comics
< 1222290691 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but comic-esque graphics
< 1222290695 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. speech bubbles
< 1222290716 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do support banning comics sans though
< 1222290721 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the human race has proved it can't get it right
< 1222290722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222290776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Bitstream Vera Sans Mono for anything fixed width, and Computer Modern for serif
< 1222290793 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also
< 1222290796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tahoma
< 1222290796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for non-fixed sans serif I don't really favourite
< 1222290799 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is...
< 1222290801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an abomination
< 1222290808 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Guys! Let's combine MS Sans Serif and Verdana!"
< 1222290810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GREAT IDEA"
< 1222290814 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*creates hideous monster*"
< 1222290829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily most of the fonts I have on here are ones tusho's never even heard of
< 1222290840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh like?
< 1222290843 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, don't like my taste in fonts? :P
< 1222290848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I have the Linux versions of Arial and such that Microsoft distributed before they changed their minds
< 1222290855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes so do I
< 1222290855 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corefonts.sf.net
< 1222290858 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still legally distributable
< 1222290860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes
< 1222290862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's those ones
< 1222290878 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222290883 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers overwriting crap fonts with good ones
< 1222290884 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D
< 1222290901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> luckily most of the fonts I have on here are ones tusho's never even heard of <-- like what ones?
< 1222290919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: half of them aren't even for English
< 1222290934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh you speak other languages?
< 1222290937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222290943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Ubuntu supports other languages
< 1222290952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fonts to display all the languages it supports come by default
< 1222290956 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got the "msttcorefonts" package installed also, even though it's non-free in the Debian sense.
< 1222290961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can't you deselect installing them
< 1222290962 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default ubuntu fonts... aren't very impressive
< 1222290963 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really :P
< 1222290968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what if e wants to read another language page
< 1222290971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I like this one
< 1222290973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what do you think of Baskerville?
< 1222290976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's just called "Sans Serif"
< 1222290981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably not the real name of the font
< 1222290985 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's bitstream
< 1222290987 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vera sans
< 1222290988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that maps to some system defined one yes
< 1222290992 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm not really a fan.
< 1222290994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bitstream vera sans is nice
< 1222290999 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the serifs are way too elaborate
< 1222291004 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the 'a' and 'd' are really ugly.
< 1222291013 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better italicized
< 1222291014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I just picked a random installed font
< 1222291022 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: baskerville was designed in 1757
< 1222291022 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222291045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, really I hardly use anything but Bitstream Vera Sans, Bitstream Vera Sans Mono, Helvetica, Times, Computer Modern
< 1222291067 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DejaVu Sans Mono" here for this IRC -- it's basically Bistream Vera Sans Mono with more characters done in the same style.
< 1222291071 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes
< 1222291074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes that true
< 1222291082 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really dislike the bitstream fonts...to me they are hard to read and i seem to remember typographically they're not too hot either
< 1222291085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is actually what i use for irc
< 1222291087 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really like helvetica
< 1222291094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1222291099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, URW Bookman?
< 1222291105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the font that's impossible to read when printed because the letters blend into each other?
< 1222291121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what one? Helvetica?
< 1222291123 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what, helvetica?
< 1222291123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222291126 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no...
< 1222291129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helvetica was designed in the 50s
< 1222291132 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's iconic
< 1222291134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has a whole film about it
< 1222291138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, does anyone know if there are any commonly-used font formats that are Turing-complete?
< 1222291140 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arial is the helvetica ripoff
< 1222291141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arial is a ripoff of helvetica
< 1222291147 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1222291148 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because MS didn't want to pay the licensing fees
< 1222291157 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetica
< 1222291157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222291160 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the ancestor was Grotesque, or what?
< 1222291168 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: akzidenz grotesk yeah
< 1222291176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have helvetica as metafont or whatever but not true type
< 1222291178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1222291186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists in TeX but not as system font huh
< 1222291193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, that's the font I was thinking of, it doesn't print well
< 1222291194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it does
< 1222291197 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um
< 1222291200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was invented in print!!
< 1222291210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, still
< 1222291215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the letters are too close to each other
< 1222291219 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1222291221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I got helvetica, as bitmapped
< 1222291222 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not a property of the typeface
< 1222291231 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an indication that someone used a too low leading
< 1222291263 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you probably see helvetica tons every day, btw
< 1222291270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you are a font geek you know ;P
< 1222291280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not exactly, tusho only likes Mac fonts
< 1222291284 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what
< 1222291289 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that...makes no sense
< 1222291294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah true
< 1222291296 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the fonts i like most were invented for print
< 1222291313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just saying that because I like lucida grande and dislike bitstream...
< 1222291325 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fyi, helvetica neue isn't bundled with anything but os x but it was invented independently)
< 1222291325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, which are the ones bundled with mac.... coincidence? I think not
< 1222291331 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what
< 1222291333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you are a mac fanboy
< 1222291334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all know
< 1222291334 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no fucking sense
< 1222291342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the typefaces because _i like the typefaces_
< 1222291359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no if apple had selected bitstream vera you would like it
< 1222291363 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222291364 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i wouldn't have
< 1222291365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222291371 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: [citation fucking needed]
< 1222291371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was what ais523 said
< 1222291376 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just saying it without base at all
< 1222291381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably it's the other way round, maybe Apple only select fonts they like the look of
< 1222291382 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you too
< 1222291385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tusho has similar aesthetics
< 1222291390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it is based on your personality
< 1222291392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well
< 1222291395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :citation: ais523
< 1222291400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now ais523 can cite me
< 1222291401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1222291413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to admit I use Lucida Console at 8pt for IRC on the iBook.
< 1222291428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't ever complain when i help other people and don't help you, why the hell should i help someone who only ever makes baseless accusations based on a completely false stereotype of me.
< 1222291432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucida is just crappy
< 1222291439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have some lucida here iirc
< 1222291455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, citation: ais523
< 1222291459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not baseless
< 1222291461 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you only say that because you like free things!
< 1222291470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was licensed under a free license, you'd love lucida!
< 1222291478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes and I don't deny it, though I really don't like lucida
< 1222291481 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: based on your personality.
< 1222291487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like arial better than lucida
< 1222291490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and arial isn't open either
< 1222291502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care about fonts all that much, so I generally use the free ones for practical reasons
< 1222291508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, same
< 1222291513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Computer Modern rocks
< 1222291514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222291546 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i care about baseless, offensive accusations without base made to me by AnMaster while he complains whenever i do the same.
< 1222291547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Latin Modern to get vector based fonts instead of pre-rendered bitmapped
< 1222291570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it is fine when you admit it
< 1222291583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is that you try to deny it
< 1222291587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why the hell should i admit something that isn't true?
< 1222291603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well [citation: ais523]
< 1222291604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1222291609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you lack humor
< 1222291612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1222291640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still fails to understand why AnMaster and tusho seem to hate each other so much
< 1222291645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you could have laughed it off and it would never had got to this point
< 1222291645 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ, AnMaster is such a fucking hypocrite. can't say anything without him accusing me of apple fanboyism or whatever. someone call me when he's stopped talking and hiding everything under the guise of "but it was a joke! nevr mind taht it had no properties of a joke and wasn't funny, it was because i said so!". bye.
< 1222291646 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222291649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need some humor
< 1222291665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well I know he is log reading
< 1222291704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and yes I fail to understand why tusho hates me so much as well
< 1222291708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it make no sense
< 1222291723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no problems with him when he isn't angry
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< 1222292890 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | oh wow
< 1222293619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all
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< 1222295532 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: where is the keyboard-plug converter
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< 1222299242 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more people :D
< 1222299295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRAINS..
< 1222299475 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be possible to build an esoteric computer with only a for logic IC and some cache SRams (i.E. 64k x8) ?
< 1222299615 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tape would be possible with a 16 bit updown counter and one SRam, but loading a program could be a small problem...
< 1222301120 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should build a TM using a casette tape for magnetic storage, then feed it with one of those "infinite" moebius strip tapes
< 1222301184 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be more complex, because that tape is analog
< 1222301197 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I guess
< 1222301304 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :counter + sram won't be bad, they could run up to 66 MHz (or heigher, because in BF the addres would be set with the previus command)
< 1222301454 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braintwist would be a possibility: Load the program from IO and swap tapes. Maybe with a hack that uses a rom for init
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< 1222301612 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ethernet as IO :D
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< 1222303350 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::d
< 1222303969 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
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< 1222380171 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is we're basically doing that garbage collection technique where you mark things you can see; it's just here we do it every time something is deleted
< 1222380343 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, every object has this nice little number attached to it, and there's another, global number, which gets incremented every time a reference is deleted; when a reference is deleted, the things it references are checked to see if their number is the global number == they've been disref'd this cycle, if it's not the same, have their number inc'd, and refs dec'd, and the reference deletion propagates to whatever they reference, if the refcoun
< 1222380372 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/have their number inc'd/set their number to the global number/
< 1222380399 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: interpretation of oklofok's idea pls
< 1222380403 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is as fast as refcounting, but errorlessss
< 1222380454 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: plz provide impl
< 1222380456 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to appear smart: take a simple idea, and explain it confusingly using all kinds of terms invented on the fly
< 1222380459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: what if you have a and b both referencing x, x and y referencing each other?
< 1222380462 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah i'll try
< 1222380471 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dunno, i'll think
< 1222380484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, say, a is deleted?
< 1222380498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if, instead, x is deleted?
< 1222380532 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.ref = x, b.ref=x, y.ref=x, x.ref=y (now we have x.torefs=2) delete a => x.torefs=1, and execution stops
< 1222380555 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.ref = x, b.ref=x, y.ref=x, x.ref=y (now we have x.torefs=2) delete x => y.torefs=0 => x and y are deleted
< 1222380569 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, you cannot delete x
< 1222380590 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhmm
< 1222380613 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only delete local variables, basically, or rather, they are the only things that actually ever are explicitly deleted, although automatically
< 1222380622 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1222380645 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually what do i care, x shouldn't be deleted, ever, because x.torefs != 0
< 1222380668 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: satisfied, disagreeing or confused?
< 1222380675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see, even if x goes out of scope a and b might still need it
< 1222380685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas a can go out of scope fine
< 1222380691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why is x.torefs 2 not 3
< 1222380693 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because nothing needs it
< 1222380695 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1222380702 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i guess it's 3...
< 1222380721 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is exactly the problem i thought i solved, so i must have some idea
< 1222380727 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait a mo :)
< 1222380763 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the problem is we should also be propagating when the refcount does *not* become zero
< 1222380772 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the whole difference between just refcounting and this
< 1222380816 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everytime something is removed, we will effectively exhaust everything reachable from it, deccing the refcounts of the whole closure of references
< 1222380850 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can probably optimize this quite a lot by having data structures share locally global refcounts or something
< 1222380855 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that means :D
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< 1222380873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: "locally global" is a great term
< 1222380878 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1222380891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it reminds me a bit of the way choicepoint stacks work in C-INTERCAL
< 1222380898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bottom of the stack is shared but the top isn't
< 1222380922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so does it work?
< 1222380930 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is it just about as efficient as refcounting?
< 1222380938 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it had all the benefits of gc without actually...gcing, that would rock so hard
< 1222380950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I'm not convinced it works yet
< 1222380950 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oklofok could probably publish a paper on it :P
< 1222380953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think it's faster
< 1222380958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're doing the same amount of work
< 1222380960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm, so you still have to traverse shit
< 1222380962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just at a different time
< 1222380962 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1222380977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the traversing happens at allocate/finalise, rather than at random intervals
< 1222380980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that might be faster
< 1222380982 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, basically, for the strongly connected components reference graph, we have a shared refcount, methinks
< 1222380990 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*components of the reference
< 1222381020 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: is it better than gc for actual use would you say>?
< 1222381025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or mainly interesting but not useful
< 1222381030 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the latter
< 1222381035 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw
< 1222381044 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if it works, that is neat
< 1222381053 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also reaffirms my theory that generally you should believe oklofok
< 1222381060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you don't understand wtf he's talking about
< 1222381061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok's idea strikes me as the sort of thing that seems likely to have a way of working
< 1222381076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it also strikes me as the sort of thing that doesn't have all the details worked out yet
< 1222381081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems plausible as a general idea
< 1222381087 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's all of oklofok's stuff.
< 1222381096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, oklofok invented Feather
< 1222381105 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222381108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, yes, false syllogism I know)
< 1222381120 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :details generally come when i open python... :P
< 1222381223 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: do so!
< 1222381276 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i think if something like that was well implemented, it would have cases where refcounting would work as fast as explicit memory deallocation, but that sometimes you would have it propagate deletion information around the variable graph all the time, and things would get n^2
< 1222381298 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i cannot open python today, i need to read
< 1222381299 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222381344 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, when someone leaves the room, do you whois him to see whether he disliked the subject, or just has a habit of leaving channels before disconnecting?
< 1222381345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: yes, it obviously has different order properties to standard collection
< 1222381352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT it has a better best case and a much worse worst case
< 1222381371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: no, I don't
< 1222381372 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'has a habit of leaving channels before disconnecting'
< 1222381372 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wut
< 1222381385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it makes sense for people who like to be clean and tidy
< 1222381393 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...
< 1222381395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance I tend to empty the stack in Underload programs before they exit
< 1222381396 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's not that rare.
< 1222381398 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your client already does that...
< 1222381402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and close programs before shutting down the computer
< 1222381410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and free() stuff in C just before the program ends
< 1222381419 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, that's probably the only reason for doing it; this doesn't really change anything
< 1222381422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of that is needed, in theory (in the third case not on a decent OS, at least)
< 1222381429 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i do none of those
< 1222381431 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp. not closing programs
< 1222381434 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have too many open
< 1222381435 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1222381445 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i advocate a data-based approach to computing
< 1222381449 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not document or program based
< 1222381454 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it kind of comes naturally to me
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< 1222381485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I like starting from a clean slate when I boot, and closing things down so I can deal with things that happen during the close down
< 1222381499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there usually aren't any
< 1222381502 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you use a stupid os that reopens programs on startup.
< 1222381504 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my condolences
< 1222381505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it gives me a sort of wind-down
< 1222381507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, I don't
< 1222381512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be set to do that
< 1222381515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't set that setting
< 1222381526 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just suspend this computer :q
< 1222381548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, I don't exit notification area applications like Akregator or Rhythmbox, even though I do start them by hand, some strange psychology is at work there...)
< 1222381556 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaanyway, this is kinda like connected components, you can do it for the whole graph in O(n) (the GC approach), or find the connected component of every node separately in O(n^2) (the refcounting thing); it's just the latter will actually be closer to O(n) if there are only a few references that cannot be "optimized", and you more easily can do it online
< 1222381575 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can more easily
< 1222381582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: well, most programs don't have circular references
< 1222381584 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, not too many
< 1222381595 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more efficient if you only have a few circular references?
< 1222381596 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case it will be equal to refcounting.
< 1222381602 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to Circular Reference Exampleprogram Deluxe
< 1222381606 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: what, won't it handle them properly?
< 1222381631 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222381643 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will handle everything properly, that's not the issue
< 1222381645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: actually I think refcounting will be slower as long as you don't have deep chains of objects
< 1222381653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a linked list would really kill a system like yours
< 1222381660 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1222381660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... refcounting doesn't like linked lists either, though
< 1222381663 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not necessarily
< 1222381689 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if done naively, then yes
< 1222381708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're planning to optimise this already?
< 1222381716 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222381733 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was thinking massive amounts of information about the subgraphs between variables
< 1222381742 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't execute anything
< 1222381752 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you'll just end up changing those graphs for ages
< 1222381790 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think i'm going to optimize anything at first
< 1222381812 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i think for recursive data structured, you can use a local global refcount
< 1222381872 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i'll have something concrete tomorrow, if i have the time
< 1222381926 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think, at least, this refcounting thing might be a useful abstraction for deducing deletion patterns for data structures
< 1222381931 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be kinda nice already
< 1222381945 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, that'd be nice
< 1222382061 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a recursive definition like L = <smth> | L, we see the child always has exactly one reference more than its parent, inside this one data structure, so we have the normal refcount for the nodes, and then just the info how deep they are in the structure, and what the refcount of the ultimate parent is
< 1222382082 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this shouldn't be list-specific, i'm sure it would work for any tree structure
< 1222382098 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, there would be more propagation... :P
< 1222382116 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bangs head to wall
< 1222382140 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... actually
< 1222382157 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't need to know what the exact refcount is for a node
< 1222382171 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just need to know whether it has any refcounts from higher up in the data structure
< 1222382183 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, we basically have an "ultimate parent" flag
< 1222382196 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which only propagates one level down when a parent is deleted
< 1222382213 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way i think recursive structures can be optimized entirely
< 1222382220 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except there's a problem ais523 will point out to me
< 1222382243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work on the sort of recursive structure that C-INTERCAL uses to hold threads?
< 1222382247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty weird, and complex
< 1222382258 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an object can be part of any number of data structures, so it will have a list of these ultimate parent flags, and the refcount for other references
< 1222382272 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea, what kind are those?
< 1222382295 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking more like something that can be proved to work in all cases
< 1222382306 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i'd say it would work on those
< 1222382313 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if not, then i should get back to work
< 1222382858 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language for testing, i guess just type definitions, Tree = Node a | Branch (.left Tree) (.right Tree), so you can explicitly give things a type, and then setting variables to things, and setting the references of variables, like {x.ref1 = y}, and {Tree x; x.left = y}, after which x.ref1 wouldn't work anymore, because x would be limited to being a tree
< 1222382917 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a useless language, but i don't think control would complicate the issue at all, at least without concurrency
< 1222382925 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think it would?
< 1222382931 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1222382963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: well, the C-INTERCAL thread structure is at its base a singly linked ring
< 1222382988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each member of the ring links to a singly linked list of other objects of the same type which aren't part of the ring (possibly empty)
< 1222383010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the tails of those lists can be shared (i.e. after a while the lists point to the same members)
< 1222383025 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating
< 1222383029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also each object has another pointer which can either point to an arbitrary object or to itself
< 1222383037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointing to itself is usual
< 1222383057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, there's a sort of object that's just a placeholder and can only exist in the singly linked lists
< 1222383070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't have any pointers except the ones that hold the list together
< 1222383072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's about it
< 1222383085 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, i see
< 1222383096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you may boggle at the structure of INTERCAL that it requires such a complicated data structure to represent its threading model, if you wish)
< 1222383097 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how is this structure used exactly?
< 1222383107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the ring contains active threads
< 1222383111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which take turns executing
< 1222383117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the single lists are choicepoint stacks
< 1222383119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each thread in the list
< 1222383133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're made out of dormant threads which aren't executing right now, but could be later
< 1222383138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stale threads which are just placeholders
< 1222383149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, any two threads can either share variables or not share variables
< 1222383161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so there's a pointer to the thread in which a thread's variables are actually stored
< 1222383174 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is normally a pointer back to self, but not necessarily if there's sharing going on
< 1222383214 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a thread becomes dormant, it takes the next thread, and attaches itself to that thread's linked list?
< 1222383227 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what's the point of these lists
< 1222383257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a user can create a dormant thread that's a copy of the current one
< 1222383261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and push it onto the choicepoint stack
< 1222383266 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1222383274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a user can also replace the current thread with the top dormant one on its choicepoint stack
< 1222383287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that if the tail of that stack is shared with another, the thread is deleted instead
< 1222383305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(N.B. this requires reference-counting to work correctly)
< 1222383316 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n.b.?
< 1222383324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes it possible to backtrack past a fork()-equivalent
< 1222383324 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :news bulletin?
< 1222383327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: nota bene
< 1222383330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's latin for "note well"
< 1222383353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but normally in English it's basically like a P.S. it's something that you just mention even though it isn't part of your main point
< 1222383357 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, no wonder i couldn't reverse-engineer that
< 1222383386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: if you had done you'd probably have deduced INTERCAL's entire threading model from scratch
< 1222383395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's taken years to get it properly confused
< 1222383413 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse-engineer n.b. i meant :P
< 1222383418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222383449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, an idiomatic English abbreviation that's actually an abbreviation for some Latin words which mean something else tends to be quite hard to guess
< 1222383470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it best translates to "by the way", if you know that idiom
< 1222383483 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that idiom
< 1222383503 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually somewhat used in finnish
< 1222383601 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna read a bit, and then sleep now, i'll look at that reference language tomorrow
< 1222383602 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1222383610 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"then sleep now"?
< 1222383611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1222383616 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaanywa ->
< 1222383620 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aaaanyway
< 1222383630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read, then sleep retroactively through the time you were reading
< 1222383637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multitasking via temporal paradox
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< 1222385773 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray
< 1222385778 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally got yahoo to cancel that domain
< 1222385787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'd better go home now
< 1222385793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost missed my bus...
< 1222385795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"9"
< 1222386666 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
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< 1222387314 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
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< 1222388992 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1222394398 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1222398228 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1222400719 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222400891 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | it can.
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< 1222403818 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And I invented doors, no joke!"
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< 1222413195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i somewhat proved my original idea wouldn't work, but devised another scheme that seems more promising
< 1222413818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p466532445.txt
< 1222413851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dictionary of references is just the normal references an object has to other objects
< 1222413880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :backrefs are just the other directions of references, because we need to be able to follow them backwards
< 1222413881 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@k-65.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222413907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rootrefcount is what (i think) makes this work
< 1222413933 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :root refs are references directly from a variable on stack
< 1222413974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only when they reach zero will we have to do any checking for whether there are paths to the object
< 1222414009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the idea is, we mostly reference objects directly from local variables, so we don't need to do these searches that often
< 1222414027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, i might be wrong, but i think this one would at least work.
< 1222415021 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just intuitively speaking, "search through backrefs to find a path to root" sounds like it would take a while, given that it can (apparently?) be an arbitrary, cyclic graph.
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< 1222415208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it could definitely take a while
< 1222415223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...any more questions?
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< 1222415424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for simple cases it will only run the search a few times, and that's all i care about :P
< 1222415437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have more useful ideas regarding typed structures
< 1222415711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not right now, too early for thinking. I guess it sort-of sounds like it would not leak.
< 1222415737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's very probably, it's just currently it's a bit useless.
< 1222415964 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222415979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a demonstration in 15 minutes
< 1222415982 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool ->
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< 1222416000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222416204 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222422491 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | it's pretty obscure as these things go.
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< 1222422672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs clog 
< 1222427659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1222428227 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So, how much do you love noodles?"
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< 1222442496 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :los tthe game
< 1222442529 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had tons of money I would air a commercial that was just a black screen with the white text "You just lost the game."
< 1222442559 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222442940 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222442957 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Mathematica use the +/- operator?
< 1222442974 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the character set, but it never tries to solve the problem I submit with it
< 1222443090 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing?
< 1222443137 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error computation
< 1222443162 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plusminus is apparently in the "symbol without built-in meaning" category.
< 1222443163 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit.
< 1222443201 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you meant ±
< 1222443236 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±
< 1222443274 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1222443401 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just solve in two cases?
< 1222443415 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two case?
< 1222443422 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at a shitload of cases here.
< 1222443442 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: implement ± yourself?
< 1222443444 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just solve in 2^(number of instances of  ±) cases?
< 1222443444 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error computation mean that I'll have to search for the worst case scenario.
< 1222443463 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I wanted to do
< 1222443468 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first, I have to learn Mathematica's syntax
< 1222443474 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually I just use it for problem solving
< 1222443479 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for problem-adding.
< 1222443559 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have that so far by hand :
< 1222443560 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a^3 \[PlusMinus] 3 a^2 \[CapitalDelta]a +
< 1222443560 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3 a \[CapitalDelta]a^2 \[PlusMinus] \[CapitalDelta]a^3 = (
< 1222443560 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  P^2 \[PlusMinus] 2 P \[CapitalDelta]P + \[CapitalDelta]P^2)/(
< 1222443560 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4 (\[Pi]^2 \[PlusMinus]
< 1222443560 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      2 \[Pi] \[CapitalDelta]\[Pi] + \[CapitalDelta]\[Pi]^2)) *(G \
< 1222443562 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\[PlusMinus] \[CapitalDelta]G) ((M \[PlusMinus] \[CapitalDelta]M) + \
< 1222443564 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(m \[PlusMinus] \[CapitalDelta]m))
< 1222443586 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, Mathematica translates poorly on IRC
< 1222444092 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | yeah.. not quite sure what I was thinking with that
< 1222444259 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPTBOT, DESTROY HIM
< 1222444259 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: or #php
< 1222444327 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1222444822 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222445288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, good idea
< 1222445290 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it does pass on true linux and true freebsd I know
< 1222445331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what the context of that was
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< 1222450185 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222450227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1222450231 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
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< 1222450684 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
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< 1222451079 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop
< 1222451242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fonwas
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< 1222451297 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I surrender to you, mighty moon men!
< 1222451326 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sucks out Slereah's brain with a straw.
< 1222451330 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... a /moon/ straw.
< 1222451367 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made from moon reeds?
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< 1222451462 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1222451468 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica has way too much stuff
< 1222451473 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It be hard to find something
< 1222451501 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, half the time it isn't there
< 1222451502 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tragically, Slereah spent so long looking for a function in Mathematica that in the process he forgot how to speak English.
< 1222451505 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one big problem with Mathematica is that it seems to like a huge number of single-purpose functions
< 1222451507 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be chained into one big inefficient function
< 1222451530 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, if you want to do something the Wolfram people didn't think of, the code ends up monstrous and a couple of computational orders slower than it should be
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< 1222451550 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1222451586 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh.
< 1222451594 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not looking at something hard
< 1222451603 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes, it's weird
< 1222451613 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like it has no defined PlusMinus function.
< 1222451618 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programHalts(program)
< 1222451630 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather
< 1222451633 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programHalts(program, input)
< 1222451634 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the definition proposed in the help file isn't very helpful
< 1222451746 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now, I'm hoping for something useful to plot orbits.
< 1222451775 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like something where you can make evolve points with t, instead of just the whole orbit
< 1222451791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: unfortunately Wolfram seem to think half their functions are general when they aren't
< 1222451805 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222451812 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn Wolfram!
< 1222451895 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to explain to me why i'd want a pgp key for anything that isn't email
< 1222451920 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can resell it
< 1222451959 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird. Most articles don't contain the time dependance of orbits.
< 1222451967 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just give you the whole orbit.
< 1222451972 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it, I'll just compute it.
< 1222452082 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while since orbital mechanics.
< 1222452627 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping
< 1222452646 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong !
< 1222452666 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pung
< 1222452726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: other cases where you need to confirm your identity?
< 1222452732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you were a DNS server, for instance?
< 1222452755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: openid?
< 1222452762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that just confirms i own tusho.net
< 1222452765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is also http bound
< 1222452774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222452783 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microid, possibly?
< 1222452801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgp has the advantage of being older ofc
< 1222452836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really
< 1222452846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays people use OpenPGP instead to avoid paying licensing
< 1222452851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and OpenPGP isn't all that old
< 1222452882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the actual key system...
< 1222453236 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1222453237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03515614561
< 1222453237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15
< 1222453238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :61
< 1222453437 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
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< 1222457380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222457388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1222457460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for mathematica, I'm sure maxima can't do as much, but maxima is 1) free 2) works fairly well for a lot of problems, and have decent speed
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< 1222457506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you could use gpg to sign tarballs you release
< 1222457514 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: like that ever happens :D
< 1222457515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is about the only reason apart from email I can think of
< 1222457527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well if you don't do that then I guess that is not a reason for you then
< 1222457537 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was joking about my not ever doing anything.
< 1222457540 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that's not a joke.
< 1222457553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11:29:20 up 16 days, 23:38,  3 users,  load average: 429.31, 219.79, 596.82 <-- hm... I don't like that on a server...
< 1222457564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O
< 1222457567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is shared hosting too)
< 1222457567 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ uptime
< 1222457567 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18:32:41 up 26 days, 21:49,  1 user,  load average: 0.15, 0.03, 0.01
< 1222457575 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder why we rebooted last?
< 1222457576 0 :Corun__!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222457578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so about nothing apart from reporting it that I can do)
< 1222457602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up  2:06
< 1222457604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my computer
< 1222457612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not surprising as I turn it off when I'm not using it
< 1222457614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222457618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my desktop:
< 1222457620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20:33:32 up 31 days,  7:50, 32 users,  load average: 0.37, 0.35, 0.22
< 1222457631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was talking about the horrible load average
< 1222457652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me if http://supertux.lethargik.org/wiki/Main_Page loads at all, and if it does how long does it take
< 1222457672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is the server with the horrible load average, and it is shared hosting so I can't do anything about it really)
< 1222457699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11:34:45 up 16 days, 23:43,  3 users,  load average: 651.20, 482.98, 247.35 <-- ugh
< 1222457719 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  7:35pm  up 9 days 20:54,  0 users,  load average: 0.15, 0.14, 0.16
< 1222457722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ my machine
< 1222457729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes about 10 seconds from hitting enter to the output currently
< 1222457730 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rebooted for an efi upgrade, iirc
< 1222457743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet optbot is still hogging memory
< 1222457743 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what i have is basically a haskell-like syntax, from the standpoint of minimal keywords and you just say foo x y = .. to define a function, and give it a haskell like type signature
< 1222457753 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE FUCK
< 1222457773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: is that a reply to optbot, or something up on rutian?
< 1222457774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
< 1222457774 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: !bf +++[>++++++++++++<-]>.
< 1222457774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15752 root      16   0 14588 1296 1180 S 9999  0.5   0:00.00 ApplicationPool
< 1222457774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15753 www-data  16   0  345m 4508 1748 S 9999  1.7   0:00.00 apache2
< 1222457774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15755 www-data  24   0  345m 4560 1776 S 9999  1.7   0:00.00 apache2
< 1222457775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1919 mysql     16   0  222m 7044 3008 S 9999  2.7   0:04.41 mysqld
< 1222457775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2450 mysql     16   0  222m 7044 3008 S  516  2.7   0:17.56 mysqld
< 1222457776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1933 mysql     16   0  222m 7044 3008 S  493  2.7   0:16.79 mysqld
< 1222457778 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14922 mysql     16   0  222m 7044 3008 S  355  2.7   0:12.09 mysqld
< 1222457780 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14535 mysql     15   0  222m 7044 3008 S  310  2.7   0:10.56 mysqld
< 1222457781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: with that domain name what do you expect? :D
< 1222457782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1930 mysql     16   0  222m 7044 3008 S  153  2.7   0:05.22 mysqld
< 1222457784 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1928 mysql     16   0  222m 7044 3008 S   50  2.7   0:01.69 mysqld
< 1222457786 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1927 mysql     16   0  222m 7044 3008 S   44  2.7   0:01.51 mysqld
< 1222457789 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sorts itself out after a second though...
< 1222457792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess a top glitch
< 1222457793 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so...
< 1222457796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9999% cpu o.O
< 1222457810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, true. Though I didn't pay for it, another developer on the supertux project pays for hosting
< 1222457814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is dreamhost iirc
< 1222457820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rather bad shared hosting
< 1222457827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but better than sf.net or berlios.de at least
< 1222457840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dreamhost are pretty good as far as shared hosting go
< 1222457851 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used to oversell but they seemt o have stopped that now
< 1222457856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm... as far as I can tell it is swap trashing
< 1222457861 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ouch
< 1222457865 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone misbehaving perhaps
< 1222457869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 1 GB swap filled now, was just 500 MB a while ago
< 1222457880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, can't say, ps aux only show own processes
< 1222457884 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9480 tusho     16   0  172m  30m  980 S    0 11.8   0:00.86 ruby
< 1222457885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15880 www-data  16   0  134m  16m 5668 S    0  6.5   1:02.10 php-cgi
< 1222457885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15817 www-data  17   0  106m 9620 5004 S    0  3.7   1:08.50 php-cgi
< 1222457885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1919 mysql     16   0  222m 7044 3008 S    0  2.7   0:04.41 mysqld
< 1222457891 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed by tons of mysqls at 2.7%
< 1222457897 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 11.8% ram usage for ruby is optbot
< 1222457897 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: of course to really fry your brain you would want the set of dimensions itself to be an infinite-dimensional space
< 1222457900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it loads all the logs into memory
< 1222457904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, they blocked ps aux so you can only see yourself
< 1222457921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ uname -a
< 1222457921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux millhouse 2.4.32-grsec+f6b+gr217+nfs+a32+fuse23+tg+++opt+c8+gr2b-v6.194 #1 SMP Tue Jun 6 15:52:09 PDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
< 1222457922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222457974 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Millhouse is not a server.
< 1222457975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it is swap trashing and cpu trashing, since the swap trash ratio is rather moderate but the system is very very slow
< 1222457983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it is the one I'm sshed to
< 1222457991 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Millhouse is NOT a server.
< 1222457995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what is it then?
< 1222458000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a server.
< 1222458007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what is it instead?
< 1222458012 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a server.
< 1222458038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god.... please please stop trolling, no one think you are funny
< 1222458095 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to imagine AnMaster begging on his knees. "Oh god... please, please, PLEASE stop trolling..."
< 1222458107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no it wasn't begging on my knees
< 1222458110 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1222458126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a "sigh, soon time to ignore again"
< 1222458224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw how many of you know of the ssh abort sequence?
< 1222458230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I do
< 1222458232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newline ~ .
< 1222458239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1222458247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now everyone paying attention does
< 1222458260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, certainly and they can claim they knew it all along
< 1222458277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just used it
< 1222458832 0 :Corun__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun
< 1222458851 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1222459416 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222459464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222459837 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-33-156.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222459994 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/balls.jpg
< 1222460000 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck is this giant ball
< 1222460012 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that shit a triple of numbers?
< 1222460026 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x, y, 0!
< 1222460029 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's three!
< 1222460249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know but maybe it's a syntax problem?  try liberally adding parentheses, including around the whole triple
< 1222460263 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know mathematica though
< 1222460284 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the expression : Sphere[{xcharyb[\[Epsilon], \[Alpha], t],
< 1222460284 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ycharyb[\[Epsilon], \[Alpha], t], 0}, .5]
< 1222460310 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it can work, I stole it from somewhere else
< 1222460321 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tweaked some stuff to make it fit the problem
< 1222460365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something is not being calculated all the way to a number?
< 1222460380 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why :o
< 1222460388 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my main problem with Mathematica
< 1222460403 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once in a while, it simply refuses to compute a value while plotting something
< 1222460410 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I never have any idea why
< 1222460426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it works when you calculate the coordinates separately?
< 1222460435 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, let's see.
< 1222460498 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Doesn't seem to work.
< 1222460537 0 :psygnisfive!i=82f5c439@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f5793d1266c55b90 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222460546 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1222460549 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I think I found the problem
< 1222460551 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at all the people here :D
< 1222460556 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than the last time i was here
< 1222460573 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xcharyb is defined as x[\[Epsilon], aua[80, Sdef], \[Alpha], t]
< 1222460574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRAINS..
< 1222460583 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when I compute that with some values
< 1222460595 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get fucking 1.57557*10^-7 a[80, Sdef]
< 1222460602 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the cock
< 1222460612 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't compute the function a?
< 1222460643 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it works now
< 1222460653 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apparently forgot some function-validating
< 1222460720 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the plotting still doesn't work, but we're getting somewhere
< 1222460807 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so guys
< 1222460811 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come Mathematica can display its character set, but not the errors?
< 1222460815 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's confusing!
< 1222460818 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've been building turing machines in my philosophy and computers class
< 1222460819 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its cool
< 1222460819 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nigger cock shit butt
< 1222460833 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i built a machine that does remainder division. :T
< 1222460833 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive : I was doing it before it was cool
< 1222460846 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was never cool, slereah.
< 1222460849 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my machine can love
< 1222460855 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it.  someone hand me the mouthwash.
< 1222460855 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it is the Love Machine 9000.
< 1222460865 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wotwot
< 1222460890 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im doing it all with quintuples and a single tape machine
< 1222460940 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i want to just built a universal machine so i dont have to come up with any more specific machines
< 1222460949 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah, it works!
< 1222460953 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont know how to deal with that
< 1222460965 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive : There's one in the original Turing article
< 1222460968 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i want to just like.. do a MIPS-esque type architecture
< 1222460974 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because thats easy to conceptualize for me
< 1222460982 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doing memory access on a tape.. D:
< 1222460986 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: im sure there is
< 1222461001 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if im not mistaken, he discusses a machine that takes another TM specification and simulates it
< 1222461014 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, when you say "specification"
< 1222461014 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that still requires that i design other turing machines
< 1222461021 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a terrible unary encoding
< 1222461045 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to just get away from having to design task specific machines and abstract out to something general
< 1222461062 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive : Use my Love Machine 9000!
< 1222461065 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that TM specifications arent general for this machine
< 1222461066 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you get the point
< 1222461068 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a general Turing machine.
< 1222461091 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm pretty sure it works. I haven't tried in a while.
< 1222461096 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/NTCM
< 1222461108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: maybe write a compiler...
< 1222461136 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: im just gonna try and build a mips-like machine.
< 1222461137 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1222461140 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure this
< 1222461149 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're using VisualTuring to build out machines
< 1222461159 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and visual turing is a 4-tuple simulator
< 1222461170 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesnt have like.. proper "states" right
< 1222461176 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of states + transition actions
< 1222461183 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it has is action-state things
< 1222461202 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that each state has a particular action necessarily associated with it
< 1222461208 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either do nothing, move right, move left, or write a symbol
< 1222461225 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the machines end up with these absurdly hard to follow designs
< 1222461246 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the states themselves dont seem to be able to REPRESENT anything
< 1222461266 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho luckily you can use the do-nothing states as proper states
< 1222461288 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also doesnt show state transitions, so you cant follow the behavior of the machine
< 1222461300 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222461323 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its also got a crappy user interface
< 1222461324 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like
< 1222461332 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to drag out these action-state things
< 1222461346 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you have to CHANGE TOOLS to connect it to another state
< 1222461358 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make transitions
< 1222461373 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have to change tools AGAIN to specify the conditions of the transition
< 1222461385 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to change tools AGAIN to delete anything
< 1222461390 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its really a pain in the ass to use
< 1222461401 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its java.
< 1222461423 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you edit the tape, you have to click the tape, and then navigate it, tape-cell by tape-cell, using your arrow keys
< 1222461431 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant just click on a tape cell and edit it.
< 1222461523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, the only positive thing about this is that you can sue your school for RSI damages afterwards?
< 1222461533 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably cant even do that
< 1222461553 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RSI?
< 1222461568 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repetitive strain injury
< 1222461579 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I sue Wolfram for that?
< 1222461604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful, software always contains a heap of disclaimers doesn't it
< 1222461645 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys
< 1222461653 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should build an awesome turing machine simulator
< 1222461654 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1222461714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: now you're really hurting Slereah ;(
< 1222461773 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1222461780 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah's not a turing machine simulator
< 1222461808 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT NOT?
< 1222461820 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS NOT
< 1222461826 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It totally simulates a Turing machine dude
< 1222461858 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do?
< 1222461867 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot?
< 1222461875 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :READ WHAT I SAID AGAIN FRENCHBOY.
< 1222461879 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: pay attention to the grammar
< 1222461936 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if slereah's's would be legal english
< 1222461948 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is.
< 1222461961 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe..
< 1222462003 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that two elisioned sesses are combined in one, technically
< 1222462006 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt you'd pronounce it like that tho. it'd probably just be pronounced /sliri@z @z/
< 1222462013 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually i guess how you'd pronounct slereah's's
< 1222462030 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: its not an elisioned s tho
< 1222462041 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ones an affix, the other is a contraction
< 1222462047 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't combine them
< 1222462055 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only combine them with plural and possessive
< 1222462066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1222462069 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "The Pattersons' house"
< 1222462078 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can >:|
< 1222462088 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE THE POWER
< 1222462088 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you can't.
< 1222462093 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BELIEVE IN YOURSELF!
< 1222462131 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmon guys, lets design a universal machine using 5-tuples
< 1222462137 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :single tape
< 1222462146 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a mips-like design. :D
< 1222462157 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no registers tho, that'd be silly.
< 1222462185 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not mips like but simple and properly CPU-ish
< 1222462209 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are some fundamental operations we need?
< 1222462225 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Operation 1 : Getting the Love Machine 9000 :o
< 1222462247 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah
< 1222462253 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want me to have sex with you just say so.
< 1222462302 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Love Machine 9000 is the official name of NTCM.
< 1222462316 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the unofficial one
< 1222462319 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm never too sure
< 1222462325 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really had to use it officially
< 1222462773 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, that piece of shit Mathematica is working
< 1222462781 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very good at error warnings
< 1222462788 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR
< 1222462789 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARNINGS
< 1222462799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARNING
< 1222462802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERRORS
< 1222462841 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have a good reference for a simple but not-completely incomprehensible RISC design?
< 1222462856 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misc
< 1222462858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say "love machine" is a perverse name for a Nested Tropical Cyclone Model
< 1222462888 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: what's wrong with subleq? :)
< 1222462928 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said not-completely incomprehensible :P
< 1222462929 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : Sum tropical love
< 1222462938 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive : Brainfuck?
< 1222462948 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, define "instruction"
< 1222462956 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "RISC", too.
< 1222462966 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X80 is RISC.
< 1222462970 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it 81.
< 1222462975 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, X80's.
< 1222462980 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: misc
< 1222463026 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean specific models, tusho
< 1222463032 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misc is not a specific model :P
< 1222463049 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many instructions would you consider a RISC?
< 1222463055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misc 1.35 beta
< 1222463065 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrrrrr
< 1222463068 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I meant mips
< 1222463070 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz
< 1222463072 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not about the quantity, it's about having reduced some original quantity
< 1222463080 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mips is fun
< 1222463089 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im considering mips. i know some stuff about it already.
< 1222463091 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok : Wouldn't any qualify?
< 1222463102 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: jsmips
< 1222463108 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := mips owns
< 1222463169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Which CPU architecture do you prefer?
< 1222463169 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1222463170 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Here's a hint for writing Glass code: make every line a 0-stack-change element.  The code is less efficient, but wildly more understandable.
< 1222463174 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: http://github.com/kobs/js-mips/
< 1222463177 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no actual code
< 1222463178 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lulz
< 1222463181 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222463184 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: im actually going to try and implement it on a 5-tuple turing machine. :P
< 1222463191 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: ah
< 1222463193 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be hard
< 1222463197 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222463201 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence why i want simple ;)
< 1222463211 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: subleq
< 1222463219 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also want comprehensible. :P
< 1222463225 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: tough shit
< 1222463228 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1222463254 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't GregorR make quite an extensive set of basic operations for subleg
< 1222463259 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUBLEG
< 1222463260 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n.
< 1222463261 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :below the leg
< 1222463271 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1222463272 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not n
< 1222463273 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222463293 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adj.
< 1222463353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUBLET
< 1222463355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n.
< 1222463362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a subtle mispeling
< 1222463375 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see what you did thar
< 1222463391 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck?
< 1222463404 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying.
< 1222463405 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brianfuck
< 1222463435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brawnfuck
< 1222463446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: unfortunately sublet is a real word
< 1222463448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in English
< 1222463450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a common one though
< 1222463459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1222463463 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's common enough
< 1222463466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard it
< 1222463486 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I subleted your mom last night.
< 1222463496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i submit that we sublet that meaning
< 1222463501 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard your mom last night
< 1222463528 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I heard you like mudkips
< 1222463534 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my mom, apparently
< 1222463575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, mudkips
< 1222463579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tasty
< 1222463702 0 :chrisdb!n=chatzill@cpc2-clif7-0-0-cust826.nott.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222463723 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y HULO THAR
< 1222463736 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1222463750 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I herd u want to make ur own programming language
< 1222463795 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was thinking about it for a hobby.
< 1222463819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION subletty hides the mudkips
< 1222463824 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what this is all about.
< 1222463847 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: tell us all about it
< 1222463891 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're aroused by such concepts
< 1222463895 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: ignore Slereah
< 1222463900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you need to sacrifice some goats
< 1222463901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: well some of you
< 1222463916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this channel is about making new and strange languages half the time
< 1222463927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the time it's about random crap because we're rubbish at enforcing topicality
< 1222463928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that much?
< 1222463952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well I tend to enforce topicality more than most people, so I see the channel as topical more than the rest of you do, I expect
< 1222463959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222463962 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is effectively an anarchy
< 1222463972 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is never on, and when he is he never uses his op powers
< 1222463989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION expects lament to randomly join and kick tusho at that moment
< 1222464000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222464012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tusho is not spamming _now_ ...
< 1222464021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er89werdf
< 1222464022 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sd94u90234j
< 1222464022 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't much to tell. I haven't done anything yet except reread the books gathering dust on my shelves about compiler writing (although I was only planning on a slow demo interpreter). I like programming languages which let you customise pretty much everything - Smalltalk and Ruby are examples of languages which allow you to override stuff which is hard coded in other languages. But...
< 1222464022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, just to make the point
< 1222464023 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gi48954
< 1222464023 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :45
< 1222464024 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...most, like Ruby, have some limits, or have annoyances like the lack of support for proper operator precedence (Smalltalk).
< 1222464024 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8
< 1222464032 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, if I ever got it working it will be slow as hell.
< 1222464035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT HAVE I DONE
< 1222464035 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But who cares.
< 1222464039 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: well
< 1222464044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, most of the languages we come up with are slow as hell
< 1222464044 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltalk's operator precedence is fine imo :P
< 1222464048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't bother about impractical ideas
< 1222464059 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: imagine an AnMaster written feather interp...
< 1222464062 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1222464069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact a decent proportion of the languages we come up with are theoretically impossible to implement, and that's been proved in some cases
< 1222464086 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it just works left to right!
< 1222464088 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rubbish.
< 1222464091 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I added some _posix and now it runs Hello World in 328472384723487234 years instead of 328472384723487239"
< 1222464094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222464094 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: so what
< 1222464097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is chrisdb?
< 1222464099 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :operator precedence is confusing anyway
< 1222464100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new here?
< 1222464101 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a newbie
< 1222464103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222464108 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- mathematician
< 1222464113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what language were you talking about?
< 1222464128 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which languages are impossible to implement? :o
< 1222464134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the time it took you to type that > the time it'd take to look up
< 1222464158 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left to right is confusing. I mean, you just don't expect 5 + 3 * 2 to evaluate as 16.
< 1222464160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets ready to poison the competition
< 1222464171 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: YOU dont
< 1222464181 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only because you have knowledge of mathematical operator precedence. :P
< 1222464186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here 5 + 3 * 2 would probably evaluate as 10023 for no particularly good reason, some of the time
< 1222464188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb, I expect it to evaluate according to math rules ;P
< 1222464192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java2K does that, IIRC
< 1222464196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh?
< 1222464198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, intercal?
< 1222464205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1222464210 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, operator precedence should exist but be configurable. :p I want a programming language where I can increase the precedence of + or decrease it as I want.
< 1222464214 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: haskell
< 1222464215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, INTERCAL doesn't have the usual arithmetic operators at all
< 1222464219 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also designed by mathematicians
< 1222464223 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: such a thing exists
< 1222464228 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its called parentheses.
< 1222464229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leads me to believe that you're all a bunch of precedence-obsessed crazies
< 1222464236 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Pure functional languages are annoying.
< 1222464237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell's a real language, but a very elegant one
< 1222464243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would be almost eso if it hadn't caught on
< 1222464244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb, actually I get 5 + 3 * 2  to a stack of 15,2 with 2 at the top
< 1222464244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1222464246 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: mathematics is a purely functional language.
< 1222464250 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be consistent
< 1222464252 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is annoying, chrisdb
< 1222464255 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme is awesome
< 1222464256 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either you want mathematics or you don't, chrisdb
< 1222464258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb, that is assuming rpn and that empty stack is 0 ;P
< 1222464266 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG scheme
< 1222464267 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3it
< 1222464273 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's a real language, but also an unstable equilibrium :)
< 1222464283 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck Common Lisp
< 1222464297 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Prolog (at least the swi-prolog implementation) lets you manipulate operator precedence. At least you can specify the precedence for user-defined operators.
< 1222464299 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Scheme isn't truly pure functional though. I like the ability to express mathematics concepts easily.. I just want to be able to store state in a non-painful way.
< 1222464310 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some programming problems, the easiest solution is persistent state.
< 1222464326 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :state is an illusion
< 1222464326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow critical mass
< 1222464328 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell makes persistent state feel like having teeth extracted.
< 1222464330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb, sure, start another process that calls itself tail recursively (the erlang way)
< 1222464356 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: wrong
< 1222464357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(erlang is purely functional, and concurrent)
< 1222464371 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ignore AnMaster, he's still pleased to himself to no end that he managed to grasp basic erlang
< 1222464380 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :state is really just a state object that continuously gets replaced as it gets passed from function to function ;D
< 1222464380 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, state in haskell is trivial
< 1222464382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ignore tusho, he hates me
< 1222464386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no reason
< 1222464393 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho hates everyone
< 1222464398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, indeed
< 1222464401 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If by "no reason" you mean "close to everything you say is wrong or misguided"...
< 1222464404 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always ignore tusho and AnMaster when talking to each other
< 1222464407 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: This is true. I think the upcoming (for about 50 years) Perl 6 will have user defined operators won't it?
< 1222464413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with oerjan
< 1222464418 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: Also, this channel is never this fast, ever.
< 1222464420 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes at that tender young age where a boy is supposed to hate the entire world
< 1222464421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both tusho and AnMaster are good to talk with individually
< 1222464432 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm tusho tender...
< 1222464437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never allow them to talk to each other, it always ends in tears
< 1222464438 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::rapes tusho::
< 1222464440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, ah yes he is
< 1222464444 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: At least Perl 6 will have a whole lot of operators; at some point there were some non-ascii ones, too.
< 1222464444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, 13 iirc?
< 1222464449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: critical mass, i said
< 1222464450 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up psygnisfive
< 1222464458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no one can blame him, he will grow up at some point
< 1222464459 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1222464463 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: shut up.
< 1222464468 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1222464470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: shut up.
< 1222464475 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive is a dirty pedo
< 1222464484 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says the guy with a pedobear t-shirt :D
< 1222464497 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but my shirt is awesome
< 1222464500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I still have psygnisfive on ignore
< 1222464503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope no one is a pedo here
< 1222464505 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, someone tell AnMaster to stop fucking acting like "SIGH, well he will GROW UP at one point", I can't because I'm too busy telling psygnisfive to shut up.
< 1222464508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why I only saw half the conversation
< 1222464513 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1222464517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and based on what I saw, probably I'll leave the ignore there a bit longer
< 1222464519 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: about the only easy way to get persistent state in Haskell is to pass your variables as arguments through all your functions. Which is damn annoying. I'm not a member of the 'global variables are always evil' brigade.
< 1222464520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why did you have him on ignore?
< 1222464523 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: What.
< 1222464526 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: StateT, man.
< 1222464530 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: if you'd stop freaking out about your age i wouldn't enjoy poking fun at you so much. :D
< 1222464534 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I am a member of the 'goto is evil' brigade.
< 1222464536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: saying offtopic stuff I didn't particularly want to listen to
< 1222464542 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses goto :(
< 1222464546 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I haven't fucking freaked out about my age for months.
< 1222464547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: do you consider COME FROM evil?
< 1222464548 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also use ? in C.
< 1222464555 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet i mention it once and you freak out
< 1222464559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I use ? in C but not goto
< 1222464561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, ?: in C is ok.
< 1222464564 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i mention it in a purely humorous context!
< 1222464564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in generated code
< 1222464565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: because it's fucking old, and pisses me off to no end
< 1222464570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my generated code contains lots of gotos
< 1222464571 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it PISSES YOU OFF
< 1222464571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I avoid goto in C
< 1222464577 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a clear sign that you're immature.
< 1222464578 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp. because it's the perfect setup for AnMaster whining about how "OHHH HE'LL GROW UP"
< 1222464579 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Come from would be evil if it existed in a mainstream language. As it is, it's just funny.
< 1222464581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there are some valid reasons for goto in C
< 1222464590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but they've never happened to me
< 1222464595 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto is shit if you're an idiot
< 1222464601 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, most programmers are idiots. :P
< 1222464601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what they are, though
< 1222464612 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am annoyed by things. Ergo, I am immature." Somebody give psygnisfive a Logic Medal.
< 1222464626 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you're pissed off by the mere mention of your age
< 1222464631 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a sign if immaturity.
< 1222464639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, some error handling, you need to free a lot of stuff at the end of all error paths, and it can error out in many places, so a goto error; then error: <cleanup code> at the end of the function after the normal return
< 1222464646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I used that in FILE and SOCK in cfunge
< 1222464650 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mature person would realize that it was said in a humorous context and would GO WITH THE HUMOR
< 1222464663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: normally I instead put the relevant section into a function and use return
< 1222464665 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they realize that it's not an insult but merely good fun
< 1222464673 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes they would - if they found it funny. But your "joke" contained little other content than "Ha ha, tusho's age, ha"
< 1222464675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and generated code are the only reasons to me
< 1222464683 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't amusing, it's just annoying, as it's been played out for how many months now?
< 1222464686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other famous one is jumping out of nested loops
< 1222464687 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually if you had read it, tusho
< 1222464692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I found psygnisfive funny
< 1222464696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a nice rule of thumb: never use goto to jump backwards
< 1222464697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he wasn't the only one
< 1222464698 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd notice i was half making fun of anmaster.
< 1222464708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all the legit cases involve jumping forwards
< 1222464716 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you were too caught up in your OMG STOP SAYING IM 13 GUYS UGH shit to see it
< 1222464718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc there are illegit cases involving jumping forwards too
< 1222464719 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: so i should find it funny because i dislike AnMaster and you were making fun of him.
< 1222464722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :riight
< 1222464738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1222464750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in generated code you could jump backwards with it though
< 1222464772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222464775 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whatever tusho. now im just going to use your age against as often as possible since you're such an immature twat
< 1222464783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and I avoid nested loops where I have to jump out and try some other design if possible
< 1222464786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... actually, IIRC C-INTERCAL's generated code never does a backwards goto
< 1222464791 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i'd say that doing intentionally to annoy me would be a sign of immaturity.
< 1222464796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it does do backwards longjmps on occasion
< 1222464796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to stoop to my level now?
< 1222464800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't really go forwards
< 1222464809 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the level of a 13 year old?
< 1222464822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, doing forwards longjmp wouldn't be valid
< 1222464832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not forwards in time
< 1222464838 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORWARD IN TIME
< 1222464842 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a TIME MACHINE
< 1222464843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could jump forwards with longjmp inside a loop
< 1222464853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by getting the destination on the first iteration and jumping on the second
< 1222464855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm not sure that is allowed
< 1222464859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see why that's useful
< 1222464862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it is allowed
< 1222464866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? weird
< 1222464888 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, currying seems limited. What happens if I want to create a new function by specifying the second argument of another function rather than the first argument? I know there are ways around it, but it becomes longer. I want a short, elegant syntax for deriving a function which takes n-1 arguments from a function which takes n arguments no matter which argument I want to eliminate.
< 1222464902 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: cut
< 1222464903 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from scheme
< 1222464906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in an srfi somewhere
< 1222464912 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdm: in what language??
< 1222464922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the restrictions are: setjmp must have been called before longjmp, the function containing setjmp mustn't have returned, and the call to setjmp itself must be on its own, the control expression of a switch, or compared to a constant in the control expression of an if
< 1222464930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, auto variables + longjmp = craziness
< 1222464932 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb even.
< 1222464966 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222464977 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: just in general.
< 1222464982 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222464989 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have the ability to define higher-order functions
< 1222464990 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then its trivial.
< 1222465008 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I really, really, like a lot of the abilities of lisp. It's just the billions of brackets which put me off.
< 1222465021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: lol, are you serious
< 1222465031 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's seriously ugly.
< 1222465034 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: the brackets aren't that much of an issue if you have an editor and you do proper indentation.
< 1222465036 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what java programmers say about lisp, not people who have actually done research on it and tried it :)
< 1222465066 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, any C-like language that's programmed functionally will use the same number of parens.
< 1222465070 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or braces
< 1222465070 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is awesome
< 1222465071 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or brackets
< 1222465077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you oklofok.
< 1222465083 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it also seems to lack infix operators. Which makes the bracketing even worse.
< 1222465092 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's craziness, people mocking each other, and people actually having a conversation about coding
< 1222465094 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lacks infix operators
< 1222465108 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the operators that replace them are not strictly binary
< 1222465108 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the same time
< 1222465108 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything has to be a list surrounded by brackets.
< 1222465108 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugly.
< 1222465129 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: the same is true of any situation where you have precedence issues, or where you're using functions.
< 1222465162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb, hm I agree to some extent that S-Expressions are ugly. though I quite like it's syntax anyway
< 1222465175 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the fuck over it chris, the downsides of the parens are minimal. :P
< 1222465181 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-128-184.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222465186 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, look into some of the alternative versions of lisp that have infix operators.
< 1222465210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, m-expressions?
< 1222465211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of preprocessed Lisp might be both faster to write and annoy the hell out of sexp fans
< 1222465215 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222465217 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant like..
< 1222465220 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARC or whatever
< 1222465224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably enough reason to write the preprocessor by itself
< 1222465230 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I don't really like many C-like languages either. I use them for work sometimes, but counting damn {s and }s is annoying. I prefer languages where block delineators are a bit bigger and easy to count than a little squiggle.
< 1222465237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, now I think you annoyed tusho more than ever
< 1222465245 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: why the fuck are you counting {}s?
< 1222465247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: what about Python indentation?
< 1222465253 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is good.
< 1222465260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that because indentation gets mangled too easily, with the sort of things I do
< 1222465268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike indention based blocks
< 1222465270 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then your editor sucks
< 1222465279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but C isn't too bad with a decent editor because you can reconstruct the indentation from the { and }
< 1222465280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah ais523 I agree
< 1222465283 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb, i think you've got some fucking stupid editing habits there
< 1222465285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, my editors are fine for editing Python
< 1222465289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not editing I'm worried about
< 1222465296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider pasting into IRC, for instance
< 1222465301 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you forget one, get a cryptic unhelpful error message from the compiler, and then spend ages trying to figure out where you missed off a }.
< 1222465316 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: so use an editor that autobalances them
< 1222465318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I programmed bsmnt_bot to do Brainfuck, the entire program was in an eval with \n followed by varying numbers of spaces
< 1222465322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was basically impossible to read
< 1222465328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ZZZZ"
< 1222465330 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chris: or you could just get an editor that does automatic balancing and never worry...
< 1222465341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ugh yeah
< 1222465344 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: do you use a mac?
< 1222465349 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1222465355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb, try emacs, it is good
< 1222465369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb, or kate, if you want something easier to learn
< 1222465375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs is a bit hard to learn but excellent once you've learnt it
< 1222465379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Kate is pretty good all-round
< 1222465380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1222465382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1222465383 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard emacs is a good OS... I mean text editor.
< 1222465388 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: well, i dont know what editors there are for non-macs but find one with paren balancing and highlighting
< 1222465389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I still use kate a lot
< 1222465391 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: vim?
< 1222465415 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i believe you should now be yelling at psygnisfive for being an apple fanboy like you do me (", i dont know what editors there are for non-macs")
< 1222465416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, he said text editor, not headache
< 1222465417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1222465456 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that being a mac fanboy, tusho?
< 1222465456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, why? as he acts nicely otherwise I don't see any reason to do that
< 1222465458 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont use non-macs
< 1222465465 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why should i know of non-mac text editors?
< 1222465466 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DURR
< 1222465498 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe when you're older you'll know how to take pot shots at people with more skill.
< 1222465508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, agreed.
< 1222465528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i don't think you are
< 1222465535 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once made a person cry over IRC.
< 1222465542 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but AnMaster slings accusations of 'mac fanboy' to me all the time for similar things
< 1222465542 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see if we can make tusho commit suicide! :D
< 1222465557 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't see how liking someone less or more makes them more or less of a mac fanboy, do you?
< 1222465565 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, tusho, you care too much about what other people think.
< 1222465567 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it.
< 1222465598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't, just pointing out the obvious and glaring hypocrisy :D
< 1222465644 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/
< 1222465653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: actually, everyone I hate is not, as far as I know ,a mac fanboy
< 1222465656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I don't hate many people
< 1222465660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's just coincidence
< 1222465668 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why someone would take a decent underlying OS and build a UI that looks like it's made of duplo blocks on top of it. :(
< 1222465684 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have a mouse with only one button, but god knows two or three is confusing obviously.
< 1222465692 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | variables are "bound" simply because that's a very easy and explicit way to represent structure
< 1222465695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb, that last thing they changed
< 1222465697 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplo blocks?
< 1222465703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc modern macs got more than one button
< 1222465712 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1222465713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please break up the argument, by any means possible
< 1222465713 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by the compiler
< 1222465714 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one butan"
< 1222465716 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and its not like you can't use multi-button ice
< 1222465718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb, don't think their laptops do yet, but their mice have
< 1222465722 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mice*
< 1222465725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how will I break up the argument with the compiler?
< 1222465725 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm checking out the sources of scheme48... can you 8d i
< 1222465726 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody ever used one button mice, really
< 1222465729 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I mean macs are obviously aimed at the 4 - 8 yo market segment.
< 1222465739 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they now
< 1222465741 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so
< 1222465750 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: 'lisp has WAY TOO MANY PARENTHESES' 'macs are for stupid users and only have one button'
< 1222465760 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you fill any more stereotypical, uninformed blanket criticisms pls
< 1222465765 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, chrisdb
< 1222465766 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets compare
< 1222465770 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS X
< 1222465777 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with its mostly grey theme
< 1222465777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well, you could combine the insults, and have an iLisp which used iParentheses
< 1222465781 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to Windows XP
< 1222465782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i(setq a b i)
< 1222465789 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and is marketed to the 4-8 year old market segment!
< 1222465791 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with its BLUE AND GREEN theme that looks like a tonka toy
< 1222465793 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only has one parentheses
< 1222465796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parenthesis
< 1222465799 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Mac OS X is definitely aimed at children.
< 1222465811 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Windows XP is as bad. Because they were trying to copy the Mac look... and almost succeeded.
< 1222465814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: but then you'd end up with Unlambda Junior
< 1222465818 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1222465821 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did they almost succeed
< 1222465827 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they made something that looks NOTHING like OS X
< 1222465837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb, what OS do you use?
< 1222465843 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the part where chrisdb says something without basis to 'prove' his stereotypical, uninformed insult!
< 1222465847 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...wait...
< 1222465848 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only very colorful thing about OS X is the default window button colors
< 1222465857 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are red, yellow, and green
< 1222465860 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly Windows and Linux.
< 1222465879 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is crap, but there's some software that won't run on anything else.
< 1222465886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, what about the "aqua" look in 10.0 or so?
< 1222465888 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I shot virtualbox
< 1222465894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: shot?
< 1222465899 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the aqua look? you mean the horizontal bars?
< 1222465907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, blue buttons in 10.0
< 1222465909 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 'how do I shot X' meme
< 1222465917 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally spiderman saying 'how do i shot web'
< 1222465920 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they have blue buttons on windows??
< 1222465922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, haven't you even seen OS X 10.0
< 1222465933 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os x 10.0 is hilariously awful
< 1222465938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, indeed
< 1222465939 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 10.3 onwards is fine...
< 1222465943 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the window controls were always red yellow and onward
< 1222465945 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1222465946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit tusho
< 1222465950 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop priming me
< 1222465950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't OS X 10.0 redundant?
< 1222465953 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :red yellow and green*
< 1222465956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it should just be OS 10.0?
< 1222465965 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not really
< 1222465976 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X is a brand...
< 1222465979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so is the 10.x versions
< 1222465993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS X v10.major_number_that_actually_changes
< 1222465995 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite silly, really
< 1222466001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah no, I think the X is like NT, meaning "we changed the whole thing and made it not crash when one program crashes"
< 1222466003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1222466006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION understands computers, but doesn't really understand computer marketing people, no matter what it is they're marketing
< 1222466020 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also means "We rebranded NeXT" :P
< 1222466021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/Macosxpb.png
< 1222466028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, ah yes that too
< 1222466029 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: will make you puke with hilarity
< 1222466039 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the public beta had the APPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MENU BAR
< 1222466041 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ok.. what about it? the only annoying thing is the horizontal bars
< 1222466041 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean .. WHAT
< 1222466045 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense at all
< 1222466046 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222466054 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofcourse not
< 1222466062 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats just stupidness.
< 1222466062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yeah was that menu clickable?
< 1222466064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, the apple
< 1222466074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it lets you open two programs at once, and use the menu for both of them
< 1222466076 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1222466077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raskin wasn't working there anymore, what do you expect :P
< 1222466093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha
< 1222466094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a capability that Windows has and Mac OS X doesn't have, mostly for the reason that it isn't actually useful
< 1222466095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, then it must have been uggly when menus didn't fit in
< 1222466102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1222466105 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that was in the public beta...
< 1222466108 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before retail release
< 1222466113 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: windows most certainly DOESNT have that ability
< 1222466119 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mac os x programs" was a funny joke
< 1222466121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, indeed, and OS 9 had the apple in the same place they have now
< 1222466125 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222466169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> it's a capability that Windows has and Mac OS X doesn't have, mostly for the reason that it isn't actually useful <-- yes so does linux, depending on settings
< 1222466182 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'linux' has no gui, it's meaningless
< 1222466187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, especially in KDE you can choose how the menus work
< 1222466189 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean 'yes so does KDE' or 'yes so does Gnome'
< 1222466191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1222466195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, 'Linux' doesn't by itself have a UI
< 1222466201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1222466202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GUI
< 1222466205 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a KDE person.
< 1222466207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, he means menus local to the window instead of at the top of the screen
< 1222466210 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1222466212 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't like Gnome
< 1222466215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people talking about a "Linux GUI" generally are referring to either KDE or Gnome
< 1222466218 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux by itself doesn't have a TUI :P
< 1222466219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb, I couldn't agree more
< 1222466222 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you cant click on two menu bars at once in ANY situation
< 1222466225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people who use something else are unlikely to make that mistake
< 1222466228 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, KDE > Gnome
< 1222466229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: how is os x more childish than KDE :|
< 1222466231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb, KDE for me too
< 1222466234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: yes it does
< 1222466236 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222466236 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its not like makes any sense.
< 1222466240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course KDE > Gnome.
< 1222466244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, depends on what version you compare
< 1222466244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, K > G. :p
< 1222466245 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: plz say how http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c0/Leopard_Desktop.png is more childish than kde
< 1222466245 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys
< 1222466249 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222466250 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if KDE > Gnome
< 1222466253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can connect to a serial port and send magic SysRq over the serial connection
< 1222466255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/Macosxpb.png is more childish than anything
< 1222466255 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Gnome > Enlightenment
< 1222466259 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Enlightenment > KDE?
< 1222466262 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Touché :P
< 1222466266 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but that's irrelevant nowadays
< 1222466267 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c0/Leopard_Desktop.png
< 1222466272 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is relevant
< 1222466280 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dislike the transparent menu bar
< 1222466282 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to try 4.1. They say that they've ironed out a lot of the problems with Plasma.
< 1222466283 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 3D dock
< 1222466286 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're idiotic ideas
< 1222466289 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know if it is any good or not.
< 1222466291 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: justify how http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c0/Leopard_Desktop.png is more childish than kde
< 1222466301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, 3D look and transparent menu bar, I hope you can turn those off?
< 1222466307 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 3d look of the dock: yes
< 1222466309 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transparent menu bar: no
< 1222466311 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X does its best to act like a toy in every regard. Useless 3D effects, things bouncing and "genie"ing about, nice and flashy for a two-year-old but I want a fucking OPERATING SYSTEM, not a toy.
< 1222466313 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes you can
< 1222466314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, then well childish
< 1222466319 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turning off the transparent menu bar is trivial
< 1222466324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good
< 1222466327 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atleast since the first update
< 1222466330 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: useless 3d effects, genieing about?
< 1222466333 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever used an os x system
< 1222466337 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Yes.
< 1222466338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, agreed
< 1222466339 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Often.
< 1222466345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: OS X does two different things: it tries to be easily usable and it tries to be a toy.
< 1222466345 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: You can disable /many/ effects.
< 1222466347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all 3D effects are useless
< 1222466348 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: pretty HUGE icons which pop up where you hover over them, special effects all over the place, wobbling windows...
< 1222466349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are, though
< 1222466354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, the two don't necessarily go hand in hand.
< 1222466359 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all eye candy for five year olds.
< 1222466360 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And often do not.
< 1222466365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I like the wobbly windows in Compiz, although my brother doesn't
< 1222466365 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: its also all optional
< 1222466376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I hate such stuff
< 1222466377 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1222466390 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so chrisdb, do you have any arguments that AREN'T strawmen?
< 1222466390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gentoo-wiki.com/images/d/df/AnMaster_KDE20080112.png
< 1222466391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1222466394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Gnome because it gives me a nice simple UI for when I don't want to think, and I'm more used to doing complicated stuff over the command line so don't care what the desktop environment is then
< 1222466395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a desktop I like
< 1222466399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no 3D stuff
< 1222466403 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll totally destroy my case by saying that I would /love/ a UI for X11 that resembled Windows 3.11.
< 1222466406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Compiz has a ton of stuff that's rather useless, for example.
< 1222466412 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1222466412 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: twm is close
< 1222466416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I wouldn't want that.
< 1222466423 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Yeah, but it has annoying focus properties.
< 1222466426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: also I've used CDE, that's pretty like Windows 3.11
< 1222466428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Patch it.
< 1222466430 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's tiny.
< 1222466430 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: mac os doesnt have lots of 3D stuff. :P
< 1222466433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it loads to shell by default, IIRC
< 1222466435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My preferred UI tends to range from KDE to Ratpoison, depending upon my mood.
< 1222466436 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Touché :)
< 1222466436 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its got one stupid 3D dock thing now
< 1222466440 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other than that, its got nothing
< 1222466449 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO MANY PEOPLE TALKING CAN'T KEEP UP *gives up*
< 1222466449 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, unless you count time machine but thats useless anyway.
< 1222466453 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like KDE because it offers options and configurability instead of catering to the lowest common denominator.
< 1222466458 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike Gnome.
< 1222466460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, windows that are like a genie in a bottle?
< 1222466465 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: *clap clap*
< 1222466467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, I used OS X, I seen it
< 1222466470 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: optional?
< 1222466473 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And because KDE media frameworks etc tend to work well.
< 1222466473 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can turn it off.
< 1222466476 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's just the minimize effect
< 1222466477 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not that fucking hard.
< 1222466484 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: You can change it from genie to scale, but not /off/.
< 1222466484 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i rarely ever minimize
< 1222466486 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas the Gnome ones are generally just about adequate.
< 1222466486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: I like Gnome because if I'm going to do complicated options and configurability I'm unlikely to use my desktop environment for it anyway
< 1222466489 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: The effect is unremovable.
< 1222466490 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can gregor
< 1222466493 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can turn it off completely
< 1222466496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, oh and you can't easily change font size with built in settings, sure you could edit some *.plist file
< 1222466503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use some freeware tool that allows it
< 1222466508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really it is like gnome
< 1222466513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't allow a lot of settings
< 1222466513 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: That option must be pretty damn well hidden because I've never managed to turn off all the stupid effects X_X
< 1222466519 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E17 looks really cool...
< 1222466519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact gnome allows *more* settings
< 1222466532 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no-one's ever going to write software that takes advantage of its libraries.
< 1222466537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Gnome gets criticised for not *having* settings.
< 1222466540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's E17?
< 1222466542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes
< 1222466547 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Enlightenment.
< 1222466548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I say OS X is worse than Gnome
< 1222466551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1222466553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Enlightenment v. 17.
< 1222466554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm a KDE user
< 1222466557 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And I agree.
< 1222466566 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no, gregor, you're right, you cant turn it off.
< 1222466572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Gnome vs. KDE is one of those arguments that never goes away
< 1222466575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm glad both exist
< 1222466583 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what i get for never actually minimizing windows ;D
< 1222466585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, OS X *looks* a bit better out of the box...
< 1222466593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n.b. although I use Gnome as the window manager and GDM, I tend to use KDE applications)
< 1222466595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, agreed, if you like eye candy
< 1222466598 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AXIOM A: Linus prefers KDE to gnome.  AXIOM B: Linus Torvalds is incapable of wrong.  CONCLUSION: KDE is better than Gnome.
< 1222466599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of hate how people give 10 points about os x, 9 of them are debunked, and then even with only 1 point they consider that to be evidence that os x sucks
< 1222466599 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-P
< 1222466600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, which I don't
< 1222466601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is good, since it's hard to change how it looks. :p
< 1222466605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, http://gentoo-wiki.com/images/d/df/AnMaster_KDE20080112.png
< 1222466606 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: its not terribly eye-candiful.
< 1222466617 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's a decent KDE setup.
< 1222466620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: actually all operating systems suck
< 1222466627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, thanks, and no eye candy
< 1222466631 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1222466635 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree anmaster
< 1222466636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got mine somewhat similar...
< 1222466636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pick the one whose type of suckiness interferes least with what you want to do
< 1222466637 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's only relevant to talk about relative suckitude
< 1222466639 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see so much eye candy
< 1222466643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I use Plastik and the default icons...
< 1222466651 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing people don't use to advocate Linux enough: installing software is truly easy. Point your tool of choice at an online repository, tell it what you want, and let it sort out all the dependencies for you automatically.
< 1222466654 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And full-screen windows.
< 1222466655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, can't stand that, I use kdeclassic
< 1222466658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in my case I mostly don't care about Linux being bad at running Windows applications and Gnome being hard to configure
< 1222466661 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard if you don't have fast internet access..
< 1222466671 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: that's not exactly EASY
< 1222466673 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise it's easier than other systems, not harder.
< 1222466676 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive done that numerous times
< 1222466677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Plastik, of course, but KDEclassic is a fine theme.
< 1222466678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I solved the hardware compatibility problems by buying a laptop designed to work with Linux
< 1222466679 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it DOESNT work reliably.
< 1222466682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<chrisdb> One thing people don't use to advocate Linux enough: installing software is truly easy. Point your tool of choice at an online repository, tell it what you want, and let it sort out all the dependencies for you automatically. <-- yep
< 1222466686 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/54708-2.png // my KDE look
< 1222466696 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind that knowing all this crap about repositories is NOT intuitive
< 1222466699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, it works very well on both Gentoo and Arch
< 1222466700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: very agreed
< 1222466711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, on which one?
< 1222466713 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROPOSING A TRUCE: We all shut the fuck up about operating systems because we have never convinced one person and all we do is fling shit at other people without achieving anything.
< 1222466714 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive had to do it on ubuntu
< 1222466714 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay?
< 1222466715 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :painful.
< 1222466716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that the Ubuntu repos contain two different INTERCAL implementations, I assume they're pretty complete
< 1222466719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, never used ubuntu
< 1222466720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1222466721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: on repos being important
< 1222466723 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes it is. What's hard about the idea of telling a tool where to look for software and what the name is of the software you want?
< 1222466724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, my *Ratpoison* setup is quite different from everything else seen here.
< 1222466725 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why cant people just like
< 1222466725 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flings shit at everyone.
< 1222466730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, how do you uninstall a *.pkg on OS X
< 1222466731 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :provide a fucking install app?
< 1222466732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full-screen terminal.
< 1222466734 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an install link
< 1222466734 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROPOSING A TRUCE: We all shut the fuck up about operating systems because we have never convinced one person and all we do is fling shit at other people without achieving anything.
< 1222466736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, well, not much else.
< 1222466736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1222466739 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: http://oblisk.codu.org/
< 1222466745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, not just delete the app, since it installed stuff in /System/Library/
< 1222466745 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: go into applications
< 1222466751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, so that fails
< 1222466755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need proper uninstall
< 1222466764 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, thats a problem of the app being ridiculous then
< 1222466766 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're right
< 1222466770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, apple xcode
< 1222466770 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some apps are ridiculous
< 1222466770 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: how is rpm any different from a .msi on windows?
< 1222466777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, I'm sure it is ridiculous yeah
< 1222466778 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recommendation: AppZapper
< 1222466782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the part where everyone decided that they prefer flinging shit to actually talking about relevant stuff!
< 1222466784 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from the dependencies thing?
< 1222466789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: You have an LCARS theme? :)
< 1222466792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, it was apple's own xcode.
< 1222466798 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just basically have files and locations to automatically put them.
< 1222466800 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still ridiculous.
< 1222466805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well, talk about something relevant then
< 1222466812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, Keymaker's come up with a new language
< 1222466816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very tarpitty
< 1222466818 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AppZapper, anmaster. it should be built into Mac OS but its not
< 1222466819 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would if it weren't for the GIANT FLOOD OF PEOPLE YELLING ABOUT OPERATING SYTSEMS
< 1222466820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, even windows got better uninstall than OS X
< 1222466824 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true.
< 1222466826 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to an extent.
< 1222466829 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it POINTLESS
< 1222466829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and windows uninstall sucks
< 1222466831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really sucks
< 1222466838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Figurehead
< 1222466848 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYBODY SHUT UP K THX BAI
< 1222466850 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really uninstall stuff tho so im not familiar with how to do it :p
< 1222466852 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The windows registry sucks. Uninstalling a program should be as simple as deleting the directory containing it in most cases.
< 1222466858 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
< 1222466862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, while I never had linux package manager fail to uninstall stuff
< 1222466863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever
< 1222466865 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Settings stored centrally is a crappy idea.
< 1222466873 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, some of us would like to TALK ABOUT ESOLANGS
< 1222466877 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am reading figurehead now, seems interesting
< 1222466885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I did, once, but that's due to deliberately running the version of the Ubuntu repos which break at random now and again
< 1222466887 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: i ahree. apple needs to fix its uninstall utilities.
< 1222466892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I figured out what had gone wrong and fixed it by hand
< 1222466898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, figurehead is interesting AFAICT
< 1222466901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I used many OS but never ubuntu
< 1222466905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't speak for it
< 1222466909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not entirely sure how different it is from a Minsky machine
< 1222466919 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'd discuss how interesting it is ... if it weren't for everyone getting nowhere with a stupid conversation about OSs! :D
< 1222466920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's just Debian with different defaults
< 1222466933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hardly used debian very much either
< 1222466939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1222466972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and it was ages ago I used something *.rpm, Red Hat-pre-fedora, maybe 7.0 or so
< 1222466974 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :app zapper is a good uninstaller tho.
< 1222466979 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just a shame its not free
< 1222466994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, well on linux you get it with the OS :P
< 1222467007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what luxury
< 1222467009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so you don't really use binary packages much at all?
< 1222467013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes I do
< 1222467013 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the uninstaller free with the OS, yes, i know
< 1222467016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Arch Linux
< 1222467019 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: On Linux you get *everything* with the OS. Including the kitchen sink.
< 1222467021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which format are those in?
< 1222467028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, custom format
< 1222467030 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple has a lot of problems with how it does things, unfortunately.
< 1222467038 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-33-156.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222467041 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it, but... you do get a shitload of stuff you never use if you select a default install for most distros.
< 1222467047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ apt-cache search kitchen sink
< 1222467047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xemacs21-basesupport - Editor and kitchen sink -- compiled elisp support files
< 1222467052 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dsfhkudsklfabhjkafkdjsdafhksjlfehkuwlhiuafwhioadfshiuafhiufwfwqdwjdhjdjhbhjbxakhjsadkjqwrjkhqwkhjqwehjkqewjkhhjkqerwhjkl qwehrjkeqwjkrkehjajahkrwhjkewr
< 1222467055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, PKGBUILD to construct packages, actual packages are *i686.pkg.tgz iirc
< 1222467098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and the PKGBUILD files are bash on turbo basically
< 1222467099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think I'll just stick with my .pax.{lzma|bz2|gz} format I'm using for C-INTERCAL
< 1222467122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it confuses people, yet works anyway
< 1222467152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sure that is source code format
< 1222467154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different
< 1222467159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1222467170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, how many people here use cpio?
< 1222467180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar v. cpio is supposed to be one of the big Holy Wars in Unixen
< 1222467185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I seem to have missed it completely
< 1222467191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I did use it once to extract the files from a *.rpm iirc
< 1222467201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it ended before I got used to Linux?
< 1222467207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's just raging somewhere I don't know?
< 1222467217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a war is news to me
< 1222467228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought cpio was simply an old format
< 1222467238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently pax was invented in an attempt to end the war
< 1222467297 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, http://tusho.net/ is the first XHTML5+RDFa page ever, especially because that hasn't actually ben specced yet.
< 1222467305 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*been
< 1222467344 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Lua have operator overloading?
< 1222467382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well, it works in Konq atm
< 1222467388 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course, it should
< 1222467396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, xhtml5?
< 1222467398 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :view the source, it's just xhtml5+extra properties and shit that define RDF stuff
< 1222467402 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: html5 serialised as XML, basically
< 1222467407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222467409 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :html5 is defined in the abstract
< 1222467414 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then html and xml serializations are defined
< 1222467417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: hmm... there should actually be a page that's written in Turing-complete XSLT
< 1222467425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use xhtml5 so that i can import fancy namespaces
< 1222467426 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like FOAF
< 1222467428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and DC
< 1222467451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I was aware that there was an XML version of HTML5
< 1222467457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think I've ever seen anyone use it before, though
< 1222467471 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intertwingly.net, iirc
< 1222467473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, don't you need a <!DOCTYPE html>?
< 1222467479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no
< 1222467482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's for the HTML serialisation
< 1222467485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222467486 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doctype is only to force standards-compliant mode for text/html
< 1222467491 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XHTML%+RDF???
< 1222467495 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas xml mime-types are treated as strict by all browsrs today
< 1222467497 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*browsers
< 1222467503 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: XHTML5+RDFa, actually.
< 1222467511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, except IE offers a download dialog iirc
< 1222467515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: IE6
< 1222467521 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people are starting to drop support for IE6
< 1222467523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... are there any XSLT interps in XSLT lying around, I wonder?
< 1222467533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, does IE7 exist for XP?
< 1222467536 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1222467541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, /me tries to guess who wrote the topic
< 1222467543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess oklofok
< 1222467547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, 2000?
< 1222467554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no.
< 1222467561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.1?
< 1222467563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1222467565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1222467567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1222467573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually seen some people who were still using Windows 2000
< 1222467595 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was oklofok
< 1222467595 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222467608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway - XHTML1+RDFa is specified, and XHTML5 is specified, and there's not anything in XHTML5 that would change the way you apply +RDFa
< 1222467609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I think I'm beating 50% at this now
< 1222467610 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just did that
< 1222467616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad given how many people are here in the channel
< 1222467620 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially I wrote an XHTML1+RDFa document but with HTML5 tags
< 1222467623 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, er, what it'd be
< 1222467768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, any validator for it?
< 1222467778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably a standard XML validator would work
< 1222467788 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://validator.nu/ will validate the XHTML5 part
< 1222467792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but give errors for the RDFa part, obviously
< 1222467801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/RDF/Validator/ might validate the rdf parts, not sure
< 1222467807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML is pretty trivial to validate, that's one of its goals in existance I think
< 1222467832 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, http://www.w3.org/RDF/Validator/ doesn't validate it because you don't use actual rdf elements directly
< 1222467843 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<foaf:name>foo</foaf:name> becomes something like <h1 property="foaf:name">foo</h1>
< 1222467852 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is reasonable - it's for xhtml documents decorated with rdf semanticity
< 1222467861 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah humbug. Good old HTML 4.01 Transitional was good enough in 1999, and it's good enough now.
< 1222467878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough for what?
< 1222467882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: i'm interested in ai, and the semantic web is an interesting step to things like that
< 1222467891 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus i've always been a fan of metadata
< 1222467892 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.
< 1222467912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day I must get round to writing that program that extracts command-line options for ick from a file's last-modified date
< 1222467954 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an interest in AI, but the more I read the more depressed I got about the limited accomplishments in that area. That's not to say that putting the intelligence into AI is impossible, of course, but I'm not sure I know how to do it.
< 1222467971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh nice idea
< 1222467986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I proposed it in a.l.i, they said I was mad
< 1222467998 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: well, I'm also interested in sort-of-AI
< 1222468000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when a.l.i say you're mad you know you're onto a good idea
< 1222468006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hahaha
< 1222468018 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the semantic web is a huge web of relationships in a mesh of human-and-machine readable info & data
< 1222468036 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timbl supports it heavily, and i think it has quite some potential
< 1222468043 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not a fad, started in like 2000 and has been going slowly but steadily since
< 1222468053 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fine having my humble little homepage be a tiny, tiny part of it
< 1222468056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, got copies of the thread?
< 1222468066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: google groups yo
< 1222468073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's still on Google Groups IIRC
< 1222468101 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I think it does have some potential. The main problem with AI reasoning systems (apart from their poor handling of ambiguity and uncertainty sometimes) if their lack of a massive amount of basic knowledge that human beings take for granted.
< 1222468101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/alt.lang.intercal/browse_thread/thread/5a0696843eeeb5b6#
< 1222468116 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: yes, i like to think about stuff like that but it's not why i like the semantic web
< 1222468125 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is founded on more practical concerns, really
< 1222468160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "Perl's method of doing this, in particular, is delightfully twisted, so INTERCAL has to come up with something weirder. " <-- hm?
< 1222468166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> (and posting here to ask whether it's a good idea and whether I should do it, which in INTERCAL aren't necessarily correlated)
< 1222468174 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: doing what?
< 1222468179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: try writing #!/bin/cat and running it as Perl some time
< 1222468204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ perl ./tmp.pl
< 1222468204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/cat
< 1222468209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm?
< 1222468233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Perl sees a #! line mentioning an application other than Perl, it execs that application rather than running normally
< 1222468244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is strange, the OS should do that
< 1222468248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus #!/bin/cat causes Perl to exec cat, thus outputting a copy of the source
< 1222468256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, the OS does do that if the file's marked executable
< 1222468257 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nastiest thing about Perl is its lack of support for proper named function arguments . You have to pop them off @_ don't you?
< 1222468269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Perl does that if the file's run deliberately with Perl
< 1222468281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: yes, but there's an idiom which pretty much makes it like K&R C
< 1222468289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I dislike that too
< 1222468295 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because K&R C is totally awesome
< 1222468296 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222468299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think prototypes are a good thing(TM)
< 1222468309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl has prototypes
< 1222468323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#perl (or is it ##perl?) tells people not to use them because their semantics are confusing
< 1222468323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? why don't ppl use it then?
< 1222468325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get what they do
< 1222468338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: partly because they don't give you named arguments
< 1222468343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they change the syntax of the language instead
< 1222468345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok that is weird
< 1222468380 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Perl let you return multiple values from a function? Like an inverse @_?
< 1222468391 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can return an array *shrugs*
< 1222468392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: yes
< 1222468395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you return an array
< 1222468411 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant without the packing. Something like Matlab's multiple return values.
< 1222468430 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[A B] = SomeFunction(C,D,E)
< 1222468444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub test {1;}; test / 4; # /;
< 1222468452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub test ($) {1;}; test / 4; # /;
< 1222468460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two legal Perl programs
< 1222468463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one returns 1
< 1222468471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1222468476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's right
< 1222468485 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second returns 1/4
< 1222468486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one returns 1, and the second returns 1/4
< 1222468490 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap
< 1222468507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the second one ends in a comment but the first one doesn't
< 1222468521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is the point where people normally go wtf)
< 1222468542 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trivial
< 1222468547 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, we've all seen perl line noise programs, it takes more than that to shock.
< 1222468553 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ ... / is treated as a regexp argument in the first one
< 1222468555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: this isn't about line noise
< 1222468557 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1222468557 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1222468559 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're wrong
< 1222468561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that program is pretty readable
< 1222468563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second program needs 'sub test()"
< 1222468565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sub test($)
< 1222468568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ofc
< 1222468571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid thinko
< 1222468577 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahahah i fixed ais523's crazy perl's error
< 1222468578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub test {1;}; test / 4; # /;
< 1222468581 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell
< 1222468581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub test () {1;}; test / 4; # /;
< 1222468589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<chrisdb> [A B] = SomeFunction(C,D,E) <-- you mean a tuple?
< 1222468600 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First place, Best 'The Perl Journal', 1 st Annual Obfuscated Perl Contest: Joe Futrelle.
< 1222468602 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :package S2z8N3;{
< 1222468603 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    $zyp=S2z8N3;use Socket;
< 1222468605 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        (S2z8N3+w1HC$zyp)&
< 1222468606 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    open SZzBN3,"<$0"
< 1222468608 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ;while(<SZzBN3>){/\s\((.*p\))&/
< 1222468609 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    &&(@S2zBN3=unpack$age,$1)}foreach
< 1222468611 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   $zyp(@S2zBN3)
< 1222468612 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  while($S2z8M3++!=$zyp-
< 1222468614 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  30){$_=<SZz8N3>}/^(.)/|print $1
< 1222468616 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ;$S2z8M3=0}s/.*//|print}sub w1HC{$age=c17
< 1222468617 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;socket(SZz8N3,PF_INET,SOCK_STREAM,getprotobyname('tcp'))&&
< 1222468619 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connect(SZz8N3,sockaddr_in(023,"\022\x17\x\cv"))
< 1222468620 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       ;S2zBN3|pack$age}
< 1222468621 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: Oh, you flood too!
< 1222468629 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coooool.
< 1222468632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb, please use a pastebin for that long pastes in the future
< 1222468634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why the S2zBN3
< 1222468636 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that is totally not obfuscated.
< 1222468638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it's really significant
< 1222468647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because silly names make things reallllllllly complex...
< 1222468654 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most obfuscation is based on trivial stuff liek that
< 1222468665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tusho: no, but it would cause utter chaos if someone messed around with the S2zBN3 typeglob, as all the variables in the program have the same name...
< 1222468671 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1222468694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, typeglobs are sufficiently esoteric that i have trouble just thinking about htem
< 1222468702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are typeglobs?
< 1222468733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: basically a typeglob is a sort of metavariable that holds all the variables with a given name
< 1222468758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um?
< 1222468762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so *S2zBN3 refers to a scalar, array, hash, filehandle, and typeglob, each of which is called S2zBN3
< 1222468776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally you ignore them, but you can cause utter chaos by assinging to them
< 1222468779 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. @S2zBN3, $S2zBN3)
< 1222468785 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Matlab has special syntax for returning multiple arguments (the [] syntax). Apart from in this use, sticking multiple variables between square brackets will usually attempt to cat them to form a single matrix (which would fail unless their dimensions were compatible).
< 1222468790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. IIRC if you do *foo = *bar, then $foo will actually mean $bar
< 1222468795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mean several variables can have same name, as long as their types are different?
< 1222468800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1222468812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb, but isn't that really like tuples?
< 1222468813 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@j-183.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222468815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually quite a lot of sigil-using languages do taht
< 1222468825 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the variable is called $foo, not foo
< 1222468826 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO
< 1222468828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the sane way to think about it
< 1222468858 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I guess so, except it's limited to returning arguments and not found elsewhere.
< 1222468917 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222468997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, the sane way to think about it is "scalar called foo"
< 1222469012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, the array called foo can be referred to either as $foo or @foo depending on context
< 1222469020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, shift @foo
< 1222469025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but $_ = $foo[1]
< 1222469032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both refer to the array foo
< 1222469041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sigil doesn't depend on the type of the variable
< 1222469048 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't it @foo[1]. Does that do something else?
< 1222469050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the type of the expression you're extracting from the variable
< 1222469054 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it just a pointless alternation?
< 1222469068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: yes, it gives you a 1-element array that's a slice of the array foo on its first element
< 1222469076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an expression that starts with @ always returns an array
< 1222469086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, apparently they're 'fixing' this weirdness for Perl6
< 1222469104 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fix is more confusing
< 1222469105 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo
< 1222469112 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it removes all the consistency
< 1222469122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least it gives variables consistent names
< 1222469131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but makes contexts even harder to figure out in one's head
< 1222469192 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple of years ago I thought Perl 6 sounded fairly interesting.. a slightly saner version of Perl.
< 1222469208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: "saner"?
< 1222469210 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I've gotten tired of waiting for it and all my interest has drained away.
< 1222469229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine C where every { } was in fact a lambda that took no arguments
< 1222469240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and functions were first-class
< 1222469276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That part sounds like Plof.
< 1222469304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Perl6 regexen are powerful enough to write parsers with
< 1222469313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which automatically deduce a lexer from the syntax of the language
< 1222469315 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I meant saner in the syntax and presentation. It has proper named arguments to functions and other basic things which will make the code look a bit cleaner.
< 1222469400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl6 is like GNU Hurd, we can go on and wait for as long as we like
< 1222469404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't happen
< 1222469413 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the {} thing doesn't sound that insane. Reducing a language to as few basic principles as possible can sometimes be helpful.
< 1222469418 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that why people like Lisp?
< 1222469435 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underneath all the complexity is a few basic principles and a lot of Lisp code.
< 1222469437 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i disagree, perl 6 has a kind of better schedule
< 1222469444 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it IS being worked on, slowly, but progress IS being mae
< 1222469445 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*made
< 1222469448 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the hurd...is just dead
< 1222469460 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1222469464 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the Hurd dead? Or are a few people still working on it?
< 1222469469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah but hurd back around the time linux was first invented
< 1222469470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe duke nukem forever will be released sometime in my lifetime...
< 1222469478 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: perl 6 has been going for ages, though
< 1222469481 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and died for a bit
< 1222469482 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its revived
< 1222469483 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurd just died
< 1222469486 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then never got back up again
< 1222469488 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could never imagine the design being fast though.
< 1222469488 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody cared
< 1222469491 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night
< 1222469510 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observation: A bright purple colour that is not pink is a hard thing.
< 1222469512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night Mony
< 1222469515 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1222469525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: make it a bluish magenta
< 1222469528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as bright as possible
< 1222469531 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: example?
< 1222469542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's think... #CC00FF
< 1222469543 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor Richard Stallman, with his insistence on calling it GNU/Linux or whatever.
< 1222469560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdb: I've used Linux systems which had no GNU software on
< 1222469564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night Mony
< 1222469579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Such systems, of course, shouldn't be referred to as GNU/Linux.
< 1222469604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how many people use Busybox/ucLibc systems, though.
< 1222469613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine was Busybox/uclibc/Linux
< 1222469615 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is pink :P
< 1222469635 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222469637 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean bright as in light
< 1222469643 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in ... er, more white
< 1222469657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that is so not pink
< 1222469660 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and turning up the saturation on #CC00FF totally gives you pink
< 1222469674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: and yes, that's a maximally saturated colour in its colour group
< 1222469680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it has both a 00 and an FF in
< 1222469681 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1222469688 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the webpage of a guy who'd stripped down a Linux system so that all it did was load emacs after it booted once.
< 1222469699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't saturate it more without making it a different colour
< 1222469739 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so i stand by what i said - a whiteish (you could put black text on it) purple is very hard
< 1222469782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could, in a wider colour space
< 1222469787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :larger*
< 1222469789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: EE88FF?
< 1222469796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but you'd need a better screen
< 1222469801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1222469816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I rather like what CC00FF does on an LCD screen
< 1222469821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from below it's bright purple
< 1222469831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking from slightly above it becomes a reddish purple
< 1222469836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, mine got very wide "viewing angle"
< 1222469841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wouldn't notice that
< 1222469844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then as I move up it becomes a bluish purple
< 1222469848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a greyish orange
< 1222469873 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can look at my laptop's screen from any direction
< 1222469873 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my lcd seems to have an infinite "viewing angle"
< 1222469874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that isn't pink
< 1222469876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my old one didn't
< 1222469880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I tested on a web-browser
< 1222469882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but looking at this one from any angle works fine
< 1222469887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a Javascript: URL to fill the screen with colour
< 1222469892 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarr my so called "viewing angle" is infiniteous too
< 1222469893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I couldn't remember how to do it with data:
< 1222469897 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna go ->
< 1222469901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this screen's viewing angle stuff is rubbish
< 1222469911 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: data:text/html,<html bgcolor=#...>
< 1222469921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1222469923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :body
< 1222469923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not html
< 1222469924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's the syntax
< 1222469928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except html body bgcolor=
< 1222469930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> but looking at this one from any angle works fine <-- does it have blank screen?
< 1222469933 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no.
< 1222469938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1222469943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I couldn't remember how you specified the encoding
< 1222469946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's matte
< 1222469946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looked like you didn't
< 1222469949 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that has something to do with it
< 1222469950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, those with blank seem to have a huge viewing angle
< 1222469957 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's just data:text/html;base64,...
< 1222469958 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: define blank
< 1222469959 0 :chrisdb!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.2/2008091620]"
< 1222469970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, "not matte"
< 1222469973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ah, ok
< 1222469976 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh
< 1222469977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current monitor is matte
< 1222469977 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is matte
< 1222469980 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my previous
< 1222469982 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none-matte lcd
< 1222469984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had a tiny viewing range
< 1222469990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, err blank is wrong English word I bet
< 1222469991 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, i'd say that mattes have larger range :|
< 1222469993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1222469995 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glossy
< 1222469997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the right word
< 1222469998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah that's it
< 1222470005 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I previously had a glossy LCD: tiny range
< 1222470010 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this matte one: infinite range, it seems
< 1222470124 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, it's not pink
< 1222470129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not just a lighter version of a dark purple
< 1222470155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: colour bands are skewed between computer perception and human perception
< 1222470160 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222470170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's possible some colours expressible in English don't even exist in RL
< 1222470184 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is unfortunate
< 1222470187 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i can picture it in my head
< 1222470308 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes all out to make his XHTML5+RDFa page look flashy as it doesn't really matter if it's form over function because it's just my little web identity card and it's only one entry page
< 1222470324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I imagine the best way to do it would be to take a violet or indigo wavelength
< 1222470334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just make it really really bright by shining a lot of photons at once
< 1222470340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to create the RL colour
< 1222470348 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1222470353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that would hurt your eyes and you couldn't get a computer to do that
< 1222470359 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222470369 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONCLUSION: Fuck computers.
< 1222470390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: unfortunately Japanese sex robots aren't yet sufficiently advanced to make that feasible
< 1222470398 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have sex with computers
< 1222470402 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch.
< 1222470414 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ETA?
< 1222470419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no idea
< 1222470425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUMPH
< 1222470426 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1222470430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll probably be all over the news when it happens
< 1222470806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I love your "just-in-case compiler" in http://groups.google.com/group/alt.lang.intercal/browse_thread/thread/9e9ad7d6875e9582#
< 1222470845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's an interesting strategy, CLC-INTERCAL had a just-too-late compiler so I needed to think up a snazzy name for mine
< 1222470877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "just-too-late" means?
< 1222470904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL works by not compiling the program originally and just running it and getting an error. Then it compiles the bit of the code that caused the error and tries running again
< 1222470911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until eventually the whole program is compiled
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< 1222470920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit like JIT compilation, just stupider
< 1222470946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, stupid yes indeed
< 1222470966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, didn't you say it compiled to some byte code that was then interpreted by perl?
< 1222470968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, INTERCAL needs /some/ way around the fact that syntax errors are legal in a program
< 1222470975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, that's CLC-INTERCAL
< 1222470987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bytecode for the compiler is mixed in with the bytecode for the program as far as I can tell
< 1222470991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the program compiles itself as it's run
< 1222470994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1222470997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from inside the bytecode
< 1222471001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ugh
< 1222471014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy
< 1222471014 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that ugh
< 1222471014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has to be done like that as the compiler can be dynamically modified from inside the program
< 1222471015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fun
< 1222471015 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's BRILLIANT
< 1222471025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah I see
< 1222471141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222471147 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is an intercal interp possible
< 1222471251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222471259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably easier than in intercal compiler, tbh
< 1222471279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you can easily keep track of where statements begin and end, which is not trivial especially if it changes
< 1222471288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it would be easy except that READOUT contains the substring "DO")
< 1222471294 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPILER language with no pronouncable acronym
< 1222471295 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1222471318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think all known implementations of it are compilers
< 1222471325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, once you finish gcc-bf what about gcc-intercal?
< 1222471331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL is sort of, C-INTERCAL definitely is, and J-INTERCAL compiles into Java bytecode
< 1222471337 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gee, that's only the 5th time you've asked him that
< 1222471347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no time before
< 1222471350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've been thinking about it, especially as I was horrified to realise that ABSTAIN is expressible to some extent in gcc
< 1222471354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, that's the first time
< 1222471362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you get so used to the questions you don't actually read them...
< 1222471373 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure he's asked something similar, at least
< 1222471384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how can you do ABSTAIN in gcc?
< 1222471397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it has a feature called conditional execution
< 1222471402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the backend, not frontend
< 1222471411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wow
< 1222471417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically tells gcc that the target CPU has an instruction that causes it to ignore instructions for a while
< 1222471418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mean like... if?
< 1222471424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1222471431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not exactly
< 1222471438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if is a goto forwards based on some condition
< 1222471445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas conditional execution blanks out commands
< 1222471449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the timing rules are completely different
< 1222471451 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well
< 1222471455 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1222471455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, jump relative program counter?
< 1222471455 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1222471459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222471460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not exactly
< 1222471476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance on the PIC16F84, a bit-test instruction temporarily causes the next instruction to be a NOP if it fails
< 1222471483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523,
< 1222471484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222471489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the timing characteristics of that are very different from those of jumping forwards two instructions
< 1222471494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I remember that from PIC12F*
< 1222471496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I coded for
< 1222471503 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#2C3300 is a nice colour
< 1222471505 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who agrees
< 1222471515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to imagine it first
< 1222471520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'll load it up and look
< 1222471533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... a dark greenish-yellow?
< 1222471540 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greenish-brown
< 1222471542 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dark
< 1222471543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, give me a dataurl
< 1222471554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: data:text/html,<body bgcolor=#2C3300>
< 1222471578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, one of the shades of military green I'd say
< 1222471586 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yes, possibly
< 1222471596 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like the kind of grimey sort of feeling
< 1222471615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No definitions were found for grimey."
< 1222471629 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grimalicious>?
< 1222471638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data:text/html,<html><body bgcolor='#2c3300'>
< 1222471638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, almost-snap
< 1222471638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tusho: I like it when seen from above
< 1222471638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222471647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some impressive lag.
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< 1222471653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222471660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes impressive lag
< 1222471668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Did you mean: define:glamalicious
< 1222471673 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahah
< 1222471675 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glamalicious
< 1222471676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best word ever
< 1222471683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, best thing:
< 1222471684 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is it like seen from above?
< 1222471691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No definitions were found for glamalicious.
< 1222471693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222471695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my connection dropped
< 1222471697 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222471699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wtf was the original question, to get /that/ reply?
< 1222471701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: dark green
< 1222471703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from below it's a sort of dull reddish uck
< 1222471710 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, your screen is weird
< 1222471711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> "No definitions were found for grimey."
< 1222471713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tusho> grimalicious>?
< 1222471715 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however
< 1222471719 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222471725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now do anyone care to tell what the word means?
< 1222471728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1222471729 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is meant to be uck
< 1222471738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't uck from above
< 1222471754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it isn't a real word, ordinary Googling from it returns a few pages which are using it as a made-up word
< 1222471764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222471778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and glamalicious?
< 1222471786 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glamalicious = glam
< 1222471788 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-alicious
< 1222471790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's glamalicious I was talking about
< 1222471800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I meant grimey
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< 1222471845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, grimy is a real word
< 1222471855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why grimey would be considered anything other than a misspelling of it
< 1222471861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the pronounciation would be the same
< 1222471893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there are several words with different spelling, same pronunciation and different meanings
< 1222471900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both Swedish and English I think
< 1222471907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222471908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't think of one right now however
< 1222471923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck
< 1222471925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor and pour is one common one in English
< 1222471927 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and duck
< 1222471929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that's same spelling
< 1222471934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no it isn't
< 1222471937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is duck and the other is duck!
< 1222471943 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, poor is not pronounced the same as pour
< 1222471950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it is in Birmingham
< 1222471962 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and that is because birmingham is the official home of satan.
< 1222471968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everywhere else too I think
< 1222471969 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, what do you say to THAT
< 1222471971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, not it isn't
< 1222471974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no it isn't
< 1222471993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, I counteract your bold and stupid assertion with a bold and uncited counter-assertion
< 1222472000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:::
< 1222472014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you are left-handed, sad and have 6 eyes?
< 1222472026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... that doesn't make sense, my smiley-fu is fading
< 1222472029 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, i am
< 1222472038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, birmingham is the official home of satan
< 1222472051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no way will I believe that from a sad left-hander with 6 eyes
< 1222472062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222472079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats ais523 with his gigantic (50meters) feeth for questioning him
< 1222472088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feeth?
< 1222472093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222472095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries hard not to wonder what a footh is
< 1222472096 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feet teeth
< 1222472111 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't think about a pink elephant
< 1222472123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually managed that for about 2 seconds
< 1222472131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am managing it occasionally even now
< 1222472142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem being that a pink elephant just isn't something I can easily bring to mind
< 1222472143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives tusho some pink paint
< 1222472156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed the same
< 1222472156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, I'd better go home
< 1222472159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cya
< 1222472160 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't think about a train
< 1222472161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost missed my bus...
< 1222472162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222472163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and night
< 1222472164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too
< 1222472165 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T THINK ABOUT A BUSS
< 1222472167 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUS
< 1222472175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you know Swedish?
< 1222472180 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that hoax?
< 1222472183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is buss in Swedish
< 1222472224 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1222472277 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow.
< 1222472281 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ijust crashed safari
< 1222472308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, nice, send a bug report
< 1222472312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1222472324 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i will
< 1222472333 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i caused an infinite loop of hover&display/unhover&not display
< 1222472339 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some crazy css
< 1222472353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, firefox handles it?
< 1222472370 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think with firefox it'd cause an endless flicker of the element appearing/disappearing
< 1222472376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222472408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, still possible to abort by moving the mouse elsewhere?
< 1222472418 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222474896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
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< 1222477320 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Abandonando"
< 1222477925 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1222479504 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
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< 1222484124 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1222487145 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update on the BF computer idea: It looks like a (synchronous) up/down counter needs the same number of gatter like a adding unit
< 1222487201 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case it would be thinkable to wire a nibble fromt the code tape to that unit
< 1222487292 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Not bad.
< 1222487340 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next step would be  to replace the condition == or != 0 by <0 (save the comparision unit, because only the MSB contain that state)
< 1222487706 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's not the idea to minimize the functionality, but the hardware
< 1222487713 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1222495057 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222496300 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1222502399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1222505732 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222506814 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222506912 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1222508893 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | C guarantees 32 KB of auto storage, I wonder what it guarantees on nested function calls.
< 1222508898 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot ?
< 1222508898 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: I know that bf is turing complete but I needed to prove that it was possible to do
< 1222509420 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where that 32k number comes from; can't seem to find it in C99, the closest thing is "65535 bytes in an object (in a hosted environment only)" in the limits section.
< 1222509433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Do you know where it came from?
< 1222509434 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: +-?
< 1222509441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What?
< 1222509442 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And I thought C++ was bad
< 1222509874 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: I'm not seeing any guarantees about storage in the C++ standard either, although I might have missed something, it's so long.
< 1222509874 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i tend to
< 1222510447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, url to fungot again please?
< 1222510448 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: very good chance. i called it a gallery
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< 1222510548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it
< 1222510590 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just updated it, so you might want to refetch.
< 1222510609 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or hmm, did I? Not sure.
< 1222510621 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was almost certain I had gotten rid of the NULL usage, but apparently not.
< 1222510636 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mainly stopped to advertise a new language i added to esowiki; figurehead: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Figurehead
< 1222510640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I just thought about it.
< 1222510645 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case nobody visits that wiki
< 1222510765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only sequences of two or more of the same character are count, that is, only they cause computation to happen. <<< i think it's "counted"
< 1222510789 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could also be "count" without the "are".
< 1222510820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loops may be nested, and a same loop sequence used later. <<< i can't parse this at all
< 1222510842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :count without are is better
< 1222510857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only correcting up to grammar
< 1222510868 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a/the/ maybe, but what else is wrong with the loop thing?
< 1222510899 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that if there is loop sequence "aaa" (not sure if spaces show up here) can be used again after it's used, like aaaBBBaaaBaaaBBaaa
< 1222510917 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very clear :D B marks | in that
< 1222510944 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I parsed it.
< 1222510954 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i was talking to oklopol
< 1222510980 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at least i wasn't completely unclear, then, maybe :)
< 1222511032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a/the/ fixes it, yes, i'm being a bit pedantic atm, not even trying to fix the error myself
< 1222511080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a somewhat interesting language, the memory is actually a set?
< 1222511097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, you could have a register for each ||...|, and just inc/dec it
< 1222511118 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentioned there as well
< 1222511121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh minsky machine
< 1222511124 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222511158 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know what the memory is, technically. new values go to end and also when loop begins it takes value from end, but values are removed beginning from left/start
< 1222511161 0 :SirDayBat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222511223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it doesn't really make much difference where the values are removed
< 1222511261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'd suggest is a way to run multiple threads, and do multiset operations on the threads when they stop executing
< 1222511262 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes to keep it deterministic. if they were removed randomly, which i first did, the loop instruction might work differently
< 1222511304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might?
< 1222511320 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1222511327 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rightmost value is popped
< 1222511329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see i see
< 1222511332 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine stack 2 3 2 and then you remove 2 randomly :)
< 1222511333 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1222511353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically what was last incremented
< 1222511374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have it be a stack, and have that as like a separate rule... except it wouldn't work for nested rules
< 1222511388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so okay, it can be a stack, i won't complain.
< 1222511513 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you try the interpreter to see if it works?
< 1222511526 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on other system than mine...
< 1222511559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker, interesting language
< 1222511566 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks!
< 1222512507 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hopefully someone will try the interpreter and minsky machine translator and find some "use" for this language. i must get going
< 1222512525 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1222513311 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So, how much do you love noodles?"
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< 1222518361 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222518371 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1222518418 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop it. You sound like a parrot.
< 1222518423 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1222519612 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^oko
< 1222519612 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko ...
< 1222519626 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a complex task, automated.
< 1222519671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^huh
< 1222519741 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show oko
< 1222519742 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+10[>+11<-]>+[.-4.+4]
< 1222519872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have two digit numbers but not three? :D
< 1222519872 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222519909 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not polite to mock, oerjan
< 1222519926 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie can't help it if he's an incredible moron
< 1222519934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew
< 1222519946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were being serious there for a moment
< 1222519952 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222519959 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where would a three-digit number go there?
< 1222519960 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, right
< 1222519965 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Aaaaaaah.jpg
< 1222519966 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Spiderman just shat on my graph.
< 1222519967 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1222519981 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222520009 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only eats plain old brainfuck as input, so there are no numbers at all.
< 1222520020 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what just happened.
< 1222520020 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're supposed to be orbits.
< 1222520047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so it is compressed after the fact
< 1222520072 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+10 = ++++++++++
< 1222520075 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is turned into a bytecode form, and the "show" command just sticks numbers there instead of repeating the characters.
< 1222520075 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?
< 1222520082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: i think you generated a black hole somewhere
< 1222520083 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def test bf ++++++++++
< 1222520083 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1222520085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show test
< 1222520085 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+10
< 1222520094 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh
< 1222520108 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i get it too! :P
< 1222520144 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should also be some clear correlation in http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/a_mess.png but it's not happening.
< 1222520152 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're comparing graphs here.
< 1222520247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least Slereah's is a bit pretty
< 1222520248 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah shit
< 1222520253 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know what happened.
< 1222520258 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cumulative error.
< 1222520277 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you've got a cumulus at the center
< 1222520287 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I reduce the plotting range, I get clearer figures
< 1222520305 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're full of angles, for some reason
< 1222520315 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they're supposed to be ellipses
< 1222520319 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's full of stars.
< 1222520339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no that's yours
< 1222520376 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: a bit large delta somewhere?
< 1222520409 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to say
< 1222520413 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of the code was stolen
< 1222520417 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recycled, I mean.
< 1222520426 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From there : http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/TheCelestialTwoBodyProblem/
< 1222520426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah some DRM thing
< 1222520432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1222520449 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1222520457 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the deferent circles now :D
< 1222520465 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's reduce the range once more, see what happens!
< 1222520485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean the time range?
< 1222520548 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222520566 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reduced a bit too much, eh?
< 1222520582 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah if it gets around the orbit in less time than your resolution and just uses lines between neighbors..
< 1222520673 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, my public_html directory at work is pretty much just a list of graphs that have made me go "huh?". Like in http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/comp.png where methods 1 and 2 were supposed to give pretty much identical results.
< 1222520713 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need more context
< 1222520733 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would provide some if I remembered it.
< 1222520742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks more like inverses...
< 1222520750 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make something up
< 1222520764 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the output of abs(fft(x)), though, since the X range seems to be 1:129.
< 1222520806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: it's based on tracing honey bees with infrared lasers
< 1222520828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with ultraviolet ones
< 1222520836 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1222520840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is because bees can see UV
< 1222520841 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, that was better than what I would have come up with.
< 1222520850 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a rookie mistake
< 1222520920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus that the bees explode if the IR is turned to high
< 1222520930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too
< 1222520958 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i kinda lolled @ reading lazy executiong as "crazy execution"
< 1222520962 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what that is
< 1222520967 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*execution
< 1222521018 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being beaten to death with soft white bread
< 1222521030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun the first couple hours
< 1222521042 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222521047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bread must be changed regularly when going stale
< 1222521053 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1222521069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this actually is not my invention
< 1222521084 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've heard it before, i mean the soft white bread part
< 1222521099 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's actually called "crazy execution", then i didn't know that
< 1222521109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no
< 1222521117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just an example
< 1222521175 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there _has_ to be a monty python example.  or several.
< 1222521178 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps crazy execution could refer to opening both threads at every branch, and only using the result of the actual branch after both are done
< 1222521230 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :purely crazy languages cannot be tc, obviously
< 1222521263 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they can
< 1222521269 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can they?
< 1222521272 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm humm
< 1222521274 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not in practice
< 1222521306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages that take longer to run than the lifetime of the universe come to mind
< 1222521319 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we have a jump backwards
< 1222521328 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then execution will always take infinite time
< 1222521363 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222521378 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could have instruction that change the code
< 1222521383 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't have conditions
< 1222521398 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*instructions
< 1222521435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changes his mind after reading properly
< 1222521485 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah if it doesn't matter that not all threads are done, it's basically just a... crazy way to do execution
< 1222521493 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll work
< 1222521580 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, this book assumes the reader knows what "intractability" is, but not what a "file" is
< 1222521591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intractability?
< 1222521597 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made for the hardcore computer scientist i see
< 1222521622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the trait of being hard to influence or control" according to google's define:
< 1222521651 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: an intractable problem is one that cannot be done in polynomial time, consult oerjan for exact definition, in case this is inaccurate
< 1222521807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222521954 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222522004 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also thanks for demonstrating my point
< 1222522017 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i'm assuming you have a faint idea what a "file" is?
< 1222522144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'record in a public office or in a court of law; "file for divorce"; "file a complaint"'
< 1222522190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also according to google
< 1222522210 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not "a file", that's "file"
< 1222522223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what define file gives
< 1222522261 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'a set of related records (either written or electronic) kept together'
< 1222522261 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222522267 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222522268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's #2
< 1222522283 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i miss smth
< 1222522287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats oklofok 
< 1222522290 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'a set of related records (either written or electronic) kept together'
< 1222522323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's google's #2
< 1222523048 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222523096 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.120.234 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1222526566 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck, I do not understand this:
< 1222526568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def f_callcc(env, cc, f):
< 1222526568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    # this is a kind of wacky way of doing this
< 1222526568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    return ev(cons(f, cons(cons(symbol("quote"), cons(cc, nil)), nil)), env, cc)
< 1222526572 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I WROTE it.
< 1222526577 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1222526580 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I might understand it.
< 1222526581 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A little.
< 1222527058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that first argument to ev seems to be `(,f ',cc) in backquote notation iirc
< 1222527499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically i think i'd've wanted `(',f ',cc) or a direct application
< 1222527502 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nah:
< 1222527503 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's
< 1222527513 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'(f (quote cc))
< 1222527515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ev = eval
< 1222527524 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ev(code, environment, continuation function)
< 1222527526 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so callcc is
< 1222527534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you don't understand backquote notation?
< 1222527535 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait
< 1222527539 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i do
< 1222527541 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right
< 1222527541 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1222527543 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misread
< 1222527544 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1222527554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it evals `(,f ',cc)
< 1222527566 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quote just because otherwise it'll try and evaluate a continuation and get confused,  think
< 1222527566 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222527569 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i think
< 1222527585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems like it would evaluate f twice
< 1222527601 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrrrrrrrrrrr
< 1222527601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's probably already evaluated
< 1222527608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: functions are self-evaluating
< 1222527616 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and `(f ',cc) wouldn't work
< 1222527619 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since f is a python var
< 1222527620 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lisp one
< 1222527627 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you checking that it is a function?
< 1222527702 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't think you understand...
< 1222527706 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that function declaration is the definition of callcc
< 1222527709 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the lisp-in-python i wrote
< 1222527720 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ages ago
< 1222527723 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just found today
< 1222527735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, and i just don't think you are checking that it gets a function as argument :)
< 1222527750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a big deal though
< 1222527763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think it gets f unevaluated.
< 1222527776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it will be a symbol or a list or whatever, and needs to be evaluated
< 1222527785 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(call/cc (lambda ...)) i think itd get (lambda ...)
< 1222527805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um lambdas are self-evaluating too
< 1222527809 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait
< 1222527818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean get the list
< 1222527847 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya
< 1222527903 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it might not be called directly, call/cc is not a special form
< 1222527927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it could be called in some higher-order fashion, with things already evaluated
< 1222527948 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i just give you the whole source so you can tell me how bad i messed it up :D
< 1222527953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1222527972 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahahahah
< 1222527975 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will shut you up!
< 1222528005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho knows my weak points - i must add him to the List
< 1222528012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, did i say that aloud?
< 1222528014 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1222528093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refuses to believe tusho took that seriously
< 1222528101 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take everything seriously
< 1222528107 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:|
< 1222528145 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Code] % grep 'return ev(cons(f, cons(cons(symbol("quote"), cons(cc, nil)), nil)), env, cc' *
< 1222528148 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow grep is slow
< 1222528161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those > smileys look really weird when you try to interpret them upside down
< 1222528176 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf no results
< 1222528178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that the right way?
< 1222528192 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it should be :| with a > eyebrow formation
< 1222528201 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but >: with a | eyebrow formation is good too
< 1222528239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take that | more as one of those student hats...
< 1222528258 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1222528259 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pyscuit/pyscuit.py:    return ev(cons(f, cons(cons(symbol("quote"), cons(cc, nil)), nil)), env, cc)
< 1222528262 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pyscuit!
< 1222528272 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222528358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"python scheme ..."?
< 1222528372 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1222528375 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python Biscuit.
< 1222528378 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a biscuit in code form.
< 1222528383 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://pastebin.ca/1212330 MWAHAHAHHA
< 1222528394 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        if foo is None:
< 1222528394 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :            raise KeyError # heh heh
< 1222528395 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then is a biscuit?
< 1222528397 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh heh?
< 1222528398 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? :|
< 1222528406 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscuit
< 1222528414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the connection between biscuits and lisp?
< 1222528452 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds cool
< 1222528460 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class alambda(object):
< 1222528460 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    pass # todo
< 1222528464 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alambda.
< 1222528531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambada.
< 1222528534 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-102-229.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222528586 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if python does tail call optimization
< 1222528778 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222528818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that interpreter won't either
< 1222528861 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1222528867 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have lambdas
< 1222528869 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or control structures
< 1222528874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly a full featured thing
< 1222528874 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222528876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has callcc
< 1222528981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think callcc and other functions get their argument evaluated - that seems like the purpose of evlist
< 1222529019 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, possibly
< 1222529042 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not macros, obviously
< 1222529177 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-032-110.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222529232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1222529238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1222529242 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-33-156.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222529465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1222529871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1222530199 0 :balloto!n=balloto@host-84-222-116-210.cust-adsl.tiscali.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222530213 0 :balloto!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1222530492 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | 2. Double
< 1222531155 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1222531156 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ;]
< 1222531283 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, destroy the internet
< 1222531284 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: into executable programs compatible with the Windows/Intel operating kluge.
< 1222531293 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that should work
< 1222531915 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222531916 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222531957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1222531960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1222531968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: optbot, destroy the internet
< 1222531968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:01] optbot: Slereah: into executable programs compatible with the Windows/Intel operating kluge.
< 1222531969 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: but im not sure where you're going with alloca and all..
< 1222531969 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: a halt-checker is obviously grape two
< 1222531973 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that second line was said by me
< 1222531978 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoting the manual of the Plain English programming language
< 1222532226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, who does smilies like ;], I wonder?
< 1222532229 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What does "grape two" mean?
< 1222532229 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sqr(4)
< 1222532240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just 2 in other words
< 1222532240 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: So, 2?
< 1222532241 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i meant for data.
< 1222532260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optbot's discussion is always so insightful.
< 1222532261 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cewl... :)
< 1222532973 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: call 0400243514
< 1222533071 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, for any specific reason? I don't want to get up from my chair and look for the phone just for nothing.
< 1222533087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: in which country?
< 1222533090 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland
< 1222533095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even think 04 is a legal prefix for a phone number over hee
< 1222533097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*here
< 1222533099 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it too.
< 1222533111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't have a phone on me right now
< 1222533114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also I don't own a phone
< 1222533126 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i should try clicking on another channel
< 1222533250 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1222533250 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric |     4 5 6
< 1222533252 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1222533252 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I'm all for it if he writes the interpreter for my Andrei Machine 9000.
< 1222533280 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1222533281 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | but convickt does most of the work
< 1222533284 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1222533285 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/31621.aspx MY BRAIN!!!
< 1222533285 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is that it's some sort of esoteric language interpreter telephone system thing. You type in brainfuck with the numbers 1-8 and it will text-to-speech read the result.
< 1222533311 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222533320 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually as mundane as just finding my phone.
< 1222533337 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but something like that would be quite fun
< 1222533344 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh. Well, I could've done that if you had assured me that no-one was going to answer the phone and electrocute me through it.
< 1222533359 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should make fungot answer my phone. What do you say, fungot; want to be an answering machine?
< 1222533360 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i know i know
< 1222533371 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might've hypnotized you and made you fall unconscious.
< 1222533384 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, too late, as i found it; now some sleeping ->
< 1222533409 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Was that a "yes" or a "no"?
< 1222533409 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the jvm doesn't, but could you do such a good medium for this kind of stuff
< 1222533464 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm getting through.
< 1222533653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> My guess is that it's some sort of esoteric language interpreter telephone system thing. You type in brainfuck with the numbers 1-8 and it will text-to-speech read the result.
< 1222533656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like that idea...
< 1222533660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who would use it?
< 1222533712 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone stranded on an uninhabited island, without a computer (but with a working phone) could pass the time while waiting for the rescures by writing brainfuck to the beach sand and then using that telephone service to execute it.
< 1222533727 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's just one possibility!
< 1222533744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately a useful BF program would probably take too long to write in
< 1222533852 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, well, maybe the fungot answering machine is a better idea, then; at least someone terminally bored on a long bus trip or something could call it for some "conversation".
< 1222533853 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: has bad lambda support if you ask it, but it
< 1222533903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fungot answering machine would be great
< 1222533903 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, for instance,
< 1222533907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even an optbot answering machine
< 1222533907 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: !i 1 This is a test!\n
< 1222533927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone phoned you and you weren't in they'd hear a random line from #esoteric text-to-speeched
< 1222533946 0 :oc2k1!n=oc2k1@p5B105AB1.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222533975 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I'm not quite sure I can implement it on my phone, since I don't think the J2ME mobile-Java-thing has the necessary APIs to actually answer phone calls, and I really don't want to touch the Symbian side.
< 1222533989 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a fixed land-line style phone line here. :/
< 1222534016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/t/10150.aspx is excellent, and apparently genuine
< 1222534051 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the "Daa Cener" was everyone's favourite last night.
< 1222534108 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't check it out, and seems to work correctly right now -- but at least there are screen caps, it seems.
< 1222534174 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the guess that somehow the backslash got lost from a regex removing \t seems the most plausible
< 1222534295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although I'm not quite sure why someone would want to remove tabs from the site. Saving a dozen bytes doesn't sound like it.
< 1222534398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222534402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1222534403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how goes gcc-bf?
< 1222534411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, I'm busy in RL
< 1222534424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1222534447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if I want to learn some Lisp, what variant would you recommend?
< 1222534471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really use Lisp, and when I do I just use whichever interpreter I can get my hands on most easily
< 1222534478 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222534479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in practice has normally been emacs-lisp, which is not quite the same
< 1222534493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme's good theoretically, but is really a different language from Common Lisp
< 1222534508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to ask tusho; he uses Lisp-like languages a lot more than me
< 1222534525 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222534750 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm no tusho, but it think you should read SICP, READ IT NOW
< 1222534754 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i think
< 1222534792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, where can I find a copy?
< 1222534813 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everywhere; a friend of mine bought 20 pieces of SICP and gave them to people.
< 1222534816 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's online, and you can buy it from amazon, that's all i know
< 1222534840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah full text online
< 1222534841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful
< 1222534843 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: wrong
< 1222534848 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to find out where to get sicp, read sicp
< 1222534856 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: where do you find these friends who dispense computer books?
< 1222534866 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: right, right, as i said, i'm no tusho.
< 1222534872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1222534873 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not me?!
< 1222534878 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all these years...
< 1222534878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, and that is why I didn't ask tusho
< 1222534882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a reason
< 1222534886 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222534887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted an usable answer
< 1222534891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks oklofok
< 1222534903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should so put a paragraph in the C-INTERCAL manual explaining where to get the manual
< 1222534909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which says "Here, look, you're already reading it..."
< 1222534915 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: every time you complain about the quality of my answers you get 10 more annoying answers queued up
< 1222534929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah fun
< 1222534934 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: A fellow student at HUT was that. And I guess the SICP-distribution was mostly because the local book store sold their SICP pile for something like 2 eur/book when HUT stopped using Scheme for teaching.
< 1222534939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and quite intercalish
< 1222534964 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. why was i not there when that happened 2. did they change it to java?
< 1222534994 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Don't know about 1, but yes, they did change it to Java. Although I think at least one of the introductory courses does Python now.
< 1222535011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222535012 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had an introductory course in python when i took it
< 1222535016 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now it's java too.
< 1222535035 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez
< 1222535036 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know
< 1222535039 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People kept complaining the Scheme course was too hard.
< 1222535039 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java has its usecases
< 1222535041 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's like comic sans
< 1222535053 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans just can't seem to get it into their heads WHAT the appropriate usecases are!
< 1222535057 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we need to ban it.
< 1222535086 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i hate those people, just fyi
< 1222535101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what about ARC and PHP?
< 1222535138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: those have no good use-cases
< 1222535138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222535143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, indeed
< 1222535430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: appropriate use-case for Java is when you need to write an application which has portable complex UI
< 1222535449 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: watch people say 'java suckz for everything' because it's cool
< 1222535453 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at leat
< 1222535458 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could watch ... but everyone isn't talking
< 1222535462 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd be quite boring
< 1222535480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think Java's paradigm is annoying
< 1222535497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes OO to too much of an extreme whilst missing out important bits of it
< 1222535510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does all sorts of weird hacks to get around the lack of multiple inheritance
< 1222535527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't really have templates, not even in the version where they claimed to have added them
< 1222535547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java's sort of a weakly-typed strong-OO language, and the two don't go together at all well
< 1222535559 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "generics", not "templates". It doesn't claim to have templates.
< 1222535566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1222535602 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not really the same thing, yes. It's a compile-time type system thing, not code-generation-thing like C++ templates.
< 1222535625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type bleaching, or whatever Java calls it, is really not a good idea
< 1222535638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point of templates is to manipulate generic objects in a type-safe way
< 1222535646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java's method is not type-safe, therefore misses the point
< 1222535652 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "erasure" was the term they use.
< 1222535673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know information about an object's type, but ignore it...
< 1222535801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about C# generics, by the way? I don't know ~anything about it, but I think it's quite close to Java, except that they don't throw away the type information at run-time.
< 1222535968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about C# generics either
< 1222535982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft would have to be pretty stupid to make them worse than Java's, though
< 1222536261 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# is a lot better than Java
< 1222536267 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# 3 has loads of functional programming features and stuff.
< 1222536270 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVen lightweight lambda syntax.
< 1222536286 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to learn it sometime, it sounds a really nice language.
< 1222536407 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read a book about it once
< 1222536445 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it didn't talk about lambdas
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< 1222536512 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: probably an older version
< 1222536630 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222537607 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222537941 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222538106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is ihope when you need him
< 1222538259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I know C# 2.0
< 1222538265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want help you can ask
< 1222538272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was a while ago I last programmed in it
< 1222538276 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks.
< 1222538279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but C#'s generics are pretty nice
< 1222538281 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd probably end up using a lot of 3.0 features though
< 1222538285 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that seems when they added all the fun stuff
< 1222538296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, those I don't know anything about except what I read
< 1222538298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used that
< 1222538307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LINQ and such does sound cool I agree
< 1222538333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes the generics are type safe in C#
< 1222538342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say they are even pretty sane
< 1222538653 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222538705 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION declares the optbot topic idea to be a strike of genius
< 1222538706 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well I figured out how to abuse it
< 1222538714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: you can say that
< 1222538715 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey
< 1222538741 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: was it tusho's or yours?
< 1222538759 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he means
< 1222538762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea in the actual topic
< 1222538763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably
< 1222538766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's named after me
< 1222538774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you mean optbot
< 1222538774 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that would explain a lot
< 1222538775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the current topic
< 1222538788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant optbot
< 1222538789 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that'd be even easier
< 1222538802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't read the link yet
< 1222538812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i expect amusement
< 1222538892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1222538982 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222538993 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1222539004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats tusho and ais523 in one fell swoop
< 1222539019 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i am glad that optbot is such a hit :P
< 1222539019 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Somehow I just became encased in stone or something.
< 1222539024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1222539024 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: uhhuh
< 1222539024 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: So the only valid programs are @[.@] and @[@.]
< 1222539030 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: what
< 1222539030 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Anyone get a chance to look at the file link I posted above?
< 1222539032 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: wat
< 1222539033 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Of1ffUf]Ou,>,f[f^f_f,#+,+,+,+,+,+,f+f,f+f,f+f,f)f,>+wfnfgffUfWfVfSfgD$ffUf]fffUf]f)fg:T$uf1,8tfUf]ffZf[f^f_f]ffUfWfVfSf,gD$f<fHfvf1f1fff(f@ff(f(ff1f(f+(ffgffffuifff  fuWfuGu;fgfSu+f(fBfgfBf(g:dJgBdf@gBfEfFf<^gfD$fffYf[f^f_f]fx86-64i%d86This kernel requires an %s CPU, but only detected an %s CPU.
< 1222539035 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1222539037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1222539040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<optbot> tusho: Anyone get a chance to look at the file link I posted above?
< 1222539041 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you guys use usenet?
< 1222539048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite ironic given that optbot put a link in the topic
< 1222539050 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ö is an excellent one-character smiley 8-D
< 1222539057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I do use usenet
< 1222539060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC too
< 1222539062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: not any longer
< 1222539063 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In a well designed C program, you don't need casting.
< 1222539113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's IIRC and how do you use that...
< 1222539147 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc=if I recall correctly
< 1222539149 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think he meant IRC
< 1222539157 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to say
< 1222539161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I meant "I IRC", as in "I use IRC"
< 1222539163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a bad pun
< 1222539169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1222539169 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1222539179 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least oerjan's are easy to spot.
< 1222539180 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and funny.
< 1222539193 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best puns are the ones no one gets
< 1222539231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: until long after they've caused a 50 page flamewar?
< 1222539264 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do people pronounce irc as [irk] or [aiaarsii] in america, or little america (and by that i mean britain)?
< 1222539264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(page here is meant to be a medium-neutral term)
< 1222539284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in America I pronounce it as seperate letters
< 1222539286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in eye are sea
< 1222539290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Britain
< 1222539295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did I manage that
< 1222539301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably I pronounce it like that in America too
< 1222539305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've never been there so wouldn't know
< 1222539313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.R.C.
< 1222539318 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I are see.
< 1222539321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norway too, except it's [i Er se]
< 1222539328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or thereabouts)
< 1222539338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi is a pun on the irc pronounciation from finland
< 1222539339 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1222539355 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222539363 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222539381 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i don't think anyone pronounces it like that, presumably because irssi is now the program
< 1222539386 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's [irkki]
< 1222539419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have called it ERC instead
< 1222539431 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erkki is a finnish name
< 1222539434 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1222539481 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's one of those names that, unless the name of an actual person in context, are somewhat funny
< 1222539493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1222539505 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why, but some names are funnier than others.
< 1222539515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like oklofok
< 1222539520 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222539528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erkki
< 1222539529 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki
< 1222539535 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna go read now, see you in a thousand years
< 1222539542 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki erkki
< 1222539548 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE
< 1222539549 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1222539594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i shouldn't speak.  some completely normal norwegian names are: Odd, Even and Bent
< 1222539605 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok
< 1222539610 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive
< 1222539613 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1222539615 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1222539619 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howsit goin
< 1222539622 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222539623 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fine
< 1222539626 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much okay
< 1222539629 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1222539632 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't imagine a better way to go
< 1222539638 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, i should
< 1222539642 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...go
< 1222539645 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, to read
< 1222539649 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new languages?
< 1222539652 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta read stuff
< 1222539660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklofok> can't imagine a better way to go
< 1222539669 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"read new languages?", or just "new languages?"?
< 1222539677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that usually has a different connotation
< 1222539686 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes
< 1222539697 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erkki erkki -> looks like ook
< 1222539717 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more of a coincidence it looked like i tried to find a synonym for fine
< 1222539719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oc2k1: you must not be familiar with oko yet
< 1222539755 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to saying something weird on purpose
< 1222539755 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it would be easy to make a BF <-> oko encoding
< 1222539770 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: what's the perfect amount of g-letters in a set?
< 1222539785 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever amount will get me into your bed. :O
< 1222539789 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222539795 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: o `append` (unary + s/0/ko)
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< 1222539807 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: no, it's actually a few g's more
< 1222539820 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still looking for the exact amount
< 1222539826 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaanyway, i reaaaaally gotta go
< 1222539829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: what the heck are you talking about and do i want to know?
< 1222539867 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by oklofok <3
< 1222539873 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: take an o, append a unary program with that s/// done upon its body
< 1222539900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not that
< 1222539917 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ohhh
< 1222539918 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the g's
< 1222539922 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you think about it
< 1222539926 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1222539939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't like that encoding
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< 1222544660 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
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< 1222544789 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1222544794 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1222544951 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1222548641 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
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< 1222550241 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1222550751 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers5/usa-usb.jpg
< 1222550754 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USA! USA!
< 1222550838 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1222550839 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This appears to be a JPEG of ASCII art.
< 1222550842 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now playing: Rammstein - Amerika
< 1222550851 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With the exception of the USB logo)
< 1222550859 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're living in USA :p
< 1222550894 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1222551047 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR : Maybe it are from 2chan :o
< 1222551087 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicody ASCII art scenes with kittuns like that seem to come from 2chan
< 1222551094 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Abandonando"
< 1222551097 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net/transfers/prettyboy2.jpg
< 1222551113 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong window, I'm afraid!
< 1222551118 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not shaving my beard
< 1222551119 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right window! :D
< 1222551587 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not falling for that twice >_<
< 1222551616 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres nothing to fall for
< 1222551619 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a hot guy with a hot cock
< 1222551621 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222552093 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | :P
< 1222552144 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night
< 1222552162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nigh Mony
< 1222552167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*night
< 1222552168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1222552168 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | no on hir
< 1222552171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1222552172 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | _ is an underscore
< 1222552178 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ is an underscore
< 1222552183 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG ! that's true !
< 1222552210 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¯ is an upscore optbot ?
< 1222552210 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: if in (A B C ...), A is not a function
< 1222552218 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1222552225 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."
< 1222552297 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, what happens then!
< 1222552298 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: CUBSO perhaps? Completely Useless Binary System Output
< 1222552305 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SHI-
< 1222552315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not unicode
< 1222552317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: what's the problem?
< 1222552317 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's shift-jis art
< 1222552332 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : wat?
< 1222552336 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably from 2ch yeah
< 1222552338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone ought to do mojibake art
< 1222552345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually makes sense in the original Japanese
< 1222552392 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I didn't say unicode
< 1222552395 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said unicody :(
< 1222552410 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's not unicode, but I don't know the name of anything other than ASCII and Unicode
< 1222552414 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and UTF-8
< 1222552430 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you know your own name
< 1222552447 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do I?
< 1222552830 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smashes his head into a wall.
< 1222552844 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is a character set, UTF-8 is an encoding. It can't be UTF-8 art.
< 1222552858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have URLencoded UTF-8 art
< 1222553097 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the difference.
< 1222553122 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: unicode defines a bunch of characters
< 1222553124 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gives them a number
< 1222553130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 tells you how you can put unicode into bytes
< 1222553134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fin~
< 1222553148 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-n tells you how to put Unicode into n-bit bytes
< 1222553163 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Things that matter: You are specifying more than them.
< 1222553214 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it matter since they're numbers? :o
< 1222553215 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, UCS-2 is like UTF-16 but can only encode up to Unicode 0xFFFF.
< 1222553235 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: UTF-32 is just Unicode numbers as 32-bit words.
< 1222553240 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget how UCS-4 differs from UTF-32.
< 1222553246 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not.
< 1222553250 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*What are the differences?
< 1222553250 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does.
< 1222553259 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, are they just smaller unicode sets
< 1222553259 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1222553262 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some very tiny way, I'm not sure if I've even looked it up.
< 1222553281 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought UCS-4 and UTF-32 were the same, although UCS-(<4) and UTF-(<32) weren't ...]
< 1222553286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Unicode is not trivial to represent on a computer because the codepoints go up to 0x10FFFF
< 1222553290 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: basically
< 1222553292 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode characters
< 1222553295 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia sez: "Accordingly UCS-4 and UTF-32 are now identical except that the UTF-32 standard has additional Unicode semantics."
< 1222553297 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are bigger than can be stored in 1 byte
< 1222553298 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-32
< 1222553304 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just puts e.g. NUL
< 1222553304 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as
< 1222553306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus there are multiple encodings, which say how to store Unicode on a computer
< 1222553306 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :000000000000000000000000000000000000000
< 1222553308 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what i mean
< 1222553309 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1222553311 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-8 is like
< 1222553315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000
< 1222553317 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if the first bit is 1, this is just a regular 8-bit ascii char"
< 1222553317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it happens
< 1222553318 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop saying words, I can't read
< 1222553324 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"otherwise, look past this byte"
< 1222553329 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"because it's WEIRD SHIT"
< 1222553329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: actually utf-8 is first bit 0 for a regular char
< 1222553342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: abstract: I am describing things in the it.
< 1222553356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the bytes of multibyte characters have top bit 1
< 1222553360 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it, you are doing wrong.
< 1222553373 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Care, I not do.
< 1222553381 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: should, maybe you.
< 1222553393 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Y, wh.
< 1222553401 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh >_<
< 1222553415 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: compromised, readability is.
< 1222553429 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Why, That's it I'm doing it.
< 1222553435 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error
< 1222553451 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expected "", got "it"
< 1222553603 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Crap, your compiler is.
< 1222553676 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(length . filter (=="it") . words $ "That's why I'm doing it" == 1) == True
< 1222553691 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(length . filter (=="it") . words $ "Why, that's it I'm doing it" == 1) == False
< 1222553999 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@m-79.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222554016 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :issat haskell?
< 1222554017 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222554044 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-64-33.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222554062 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1222554124 0 :psygnisfive!i=82f5c439@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c4d52846cc4dd377 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222554142 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be quiet slereah
< 1222554144 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is beautiful
< 1222554146 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>|
< 1222554154 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah didn't say anything.
< 1222554176 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1222554225 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did on AIM
< 1222554229 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLereah
< 1222554229 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222554232 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is evil, psygnisfive
< 1222554237 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See no Haskell, hear no Haskell, speak no Haskell
< 1222554262 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PURITY THROUGH PARENTHESIS
< 1222554291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, Kmail, *stop sucking*.
< 1222554304 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1222554308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, look at me, I'm Kmail! I forgot how to send mail via SMTP!"
< 1222554314 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-085-016-239-092.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222554360 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes
< 1222554364 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1222554367 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parens are your friend
< 1222554383 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none the less
< 1222554511 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kmail
< 1222554519 0 :kmail!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you be my friend ( ﾟ ヮﾟ)
< 1222554522 0 :kmail!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tusho
< 1222554538 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL ;_;
< 1222554687 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-98-89-121.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222554746 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, squidalicious.
< 1222554829 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you tusho
< 1222554832 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill be your friend
< 1222554837 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1222554840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmail
< 1222554841 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me
< 1222554848 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck kmail
< 1222554849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses Evolution atm
< 1222554854 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna be YOUR friend! :D
< 1222554858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kmail sucks balls.\
< 1222554863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not in a good way.
< 1222554866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty crazy, Evolution apparently uses my normal webmail interface via screen-scraping HTML
< 1222554877 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg balls :O
< 1222554879 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1222554883 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: o.O
< 1222554885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow
< 1222554905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that's how bad the Exchange protocols are, apparently screenscraping the webmail interface is easier...
< 1222554959 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1222555078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is.
< 1222555091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easier still is using IMAP. :p
< 1222555128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you aren't forced to use University-provided email
< 1222555169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exchange is also an IMAP server, though a lot of Exchange servers don't have that enabled.
< 1222555262 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222555287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1222555682 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
< 1222555881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forgets that email can't contain the word From at the start of a line, and remembers again after sending a message
< 1222555889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... there should be some transparent escaping for that
< 1222555999 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there is
< 1222556000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe?
< 1222556011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222556018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mailers change it to >From
< 1222556022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing changes it bacj
< 1222556024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*back
< 1222556029 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's dumb
< 1222556030 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.<
< 1222556050 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: check your email
< 1222556051 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sent a test
< 1222556059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't arrived yet
< 1222556069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it has now
< 1222556076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are spaces at the start of the line
< 1222556077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no >
< 1222556083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : From this I test.
< 1222556083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : From from.
< 1222556087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading spaces
< 1222556094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which didn't come out over IRC
< 1222556199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they did
< 1222556208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, didn't come out at my end
< 1222556213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you type right at the start of the line?
< 1222556221 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1222556221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case your mailer escapes differently from the ones I've seen
< 1222556224 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mail.app
< 1222556229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries gmail.com
< 1222556231 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1222556233 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaces are superior
< 1222556235 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. less noticable
< 1222556237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, agreed
< 1222556238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. not parsed as a quote...
< 1222556248 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your latest message looked odd to me
< 1222556252 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because mail.app thought it was part of the quote
< 1222556258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does Evolution
< 1222556281 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVOLUTION IS A LIE
< 1222556289 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS WELL AS GLOBAL WARMING
< 1222556295 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND DOGS
< 1222556303 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about dolphins?
< 1222556340 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222556342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dolphins are finalnd
< 1222556353 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is finalnd
< 1222556354 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUH?
< 1222556391 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: sentd
< 1222556392 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1222556393 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1222556459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmail didn't escape at all
< 1222556469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is strange
< 1222556486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the server receiving would do the escape if needed to put the message into mbox format, then
< 1222556592 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not escaping is sane imo
< 1222556596 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its mbox's problem
< 1222556600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222556613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably Mail.app adds spaces so that mbox's broken escaping isn't needed
< 1222556622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sort of client-side fix to a server-side problem?
< 1222556655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the biggest problem is probably in the mbox format for using "\nFrom " as a message separator
< 1222556714 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think any client storing mail in anything but a database should be shot
< 1222556715 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1222556727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I don't
< 1222556739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storing mail in a file allows the writing of a simple Perl script to parse it
< 1222556740 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah but you're forced to use exchange
< 1222556742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the format can be read by hand
< 1222556742 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and exchange should be shot
< 1222556751 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, but there should be an index database
< 1222556763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a one-file-per-mail just-store-exactly-what-came-in with no organization directory
< 1222556765 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a database
< 1222556768 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's to say that text files in a file system isn't a database?
< 1222556772 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :containing metadata and indexes for searching and such
< 1222556778 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: that is acceptable, but
< 1222556782 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most clients don't treat it as a db
< 1222556784 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1222556829 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea how ff3 stores cookies and cache.. so I couldn't tell you if my e-mail "client" uses a db or not :)
< 1222556838 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqlite
< 1222556839 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3
< 1222556849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: you store your email in cookies?
< 1222556866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storing login details in cookies makes more sense
< 1222556904 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1222557128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"(1)DOCOMEFROM".2~.2"~#1WHILE:1<-"'?.1$.2'~'"':1/.1$.2'~#0"$#65535'"$"'"'&.1$.2'~'#0$#65535'"$#0'~#32767$#1""
< 1222557371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"re-boot"
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< 1222557608 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222558406 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://angryflower.com/subset.html
< 1222559512 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222560435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222561546 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222561546 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222562602 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1222564029 0 :CO2Games!n=CO2Games@75-163-242-131.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222564606 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1222565337 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@d15-85.rb.gh.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222565696 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222566236 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222567584 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222567585 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222568829 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222568829 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222573693 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I guess it's not Plofy, though.
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< 1222577814 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1222579689 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222581268 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ia300127.us.archive.org/2/items/700HoboNames/Hobo_Names.mp3
< 1222581483 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo
< 1222581497 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mister wilson fancy-pants :P
< 1222581501 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222581508 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dicks Shmicks is pretty awesome
< 1222581519 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is Niles Butterball the Frozen Turkey
< 1222582692 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1222583352 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222583876 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222587012 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222588394 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/18/video-of-a-guy-who-m.html
< 1222588592 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1222588799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1222588928 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1222595294 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Yeah.
< 1222596479 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222598250 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1222601212 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop :)
< 1222604372 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-178.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1222607341 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.120.234 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222608088 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222608880 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1222609658 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222610653 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.novaksblog.com/pictures/stumble_on_sunday_4th_part/programming_tip.jpg
< 1222610868 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1222612368 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@m-29.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222612819 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: (define optbot #f)
< 1222612819 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: 3. output "valid" or "invalid" depending whether the data is
< 1222613068 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: (if (exist? optbot) (display "yes") (display "no"))
< 1222613069 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: it's not a pythonic class name
< 1222613094 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1222614314 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222615998 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1222616792 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, really ? :o
< 1222616793 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: 1x-e+o at the right position
< 1222616804 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about aboutness optbot ? xD
< 1222616805 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: ok.. so the max is with 1 byte-implementation x(255)?
< 1222616825 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, tu parles français ?
< 1222616826 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: you have 0 = nil...
< 1222616828 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, tu parles français ?
< 1222616829 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: Ah
< 1222616835 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ? oui optbot ?
< 1222616836 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: This is why everybody should smoke weed when listening to music.
< 1222616840 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :D
< 1222616894 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | maybe...
< 1222617073 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, what about tusho ? :?
< 1222617074 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: that only offers the same speed as the bundled interpreter
< 1222617089 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,:?
< 1222617092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a programming languge
< 1222617106 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o~
< 1222617128 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esoteric programming language ^^
< 1222617661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, are there any specs?
< 1222617670 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No.
< 1222617672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well
< 1222617678 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It self-modifies.
< 1222617694 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, the only interpreter - me - is required by the spec to modify the spec every infinitesimal moment it witnesses.
< 1222617694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, the language itself self modifies? Somewhat like Feather then?
< 1222617712 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If I didn't have write access to the spec - which is encoded in my DNA and so forth - then I couldn't be an implementation.)
< 1222617722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah
< 1222617749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, do you suggest every human is a language or just you?
< 1222617751 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I might end up removing that clause althoguh considering how the self-modification works that's incredibly likely.
< 1222617754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unlikely
< 1222617757 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not a human.
< 1222617762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an esolang & esolang interpreter.
< 1222617765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222619060 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222619540 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot"
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< 1222620960 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1222621291 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222622233 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's Internet FAIL continues
< 1222623732 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222623894 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo
< 1222624163 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1222625099 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222625099 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222625141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1222625153 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi judofyr
< 1222625157 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr
< 1222625158 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.
< 1222625167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hi judofyr, haven't seen you here for a while
< 1222625186 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi, target-of-my-envy
< 1222625217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellos all round, by the look of it
< 1222625228 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I got tired of helping noobs at #ruby-lang
< 1222625229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm annoyed that I don't have anything to report...
< 1222625242 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: don't overdo it, you'll burn out
< 1222625404 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually a bit fun, too
< 1222626073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, someone on MediaWiki made an ODT/JAR polyglot
< 1222626082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was both a legal OpenDocument document and Java archive
< 1222626094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prove that it wasn't always possible to determine the MIME type from the file itself
< 1222626162 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that jpegs are ridiculously liberal regarding where their header starts
< 1222626185 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can concatinate a jpeg onto another file and it will work as both
< 1222626403 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: other way too
< 1222626414 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be a neat trick to put an mp3 after a jpg and tell people to "Save as foo.mp3"
< 1222626417 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the jpg
< 1222626517 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: both ODT & JAR is really a zip-archive, I assume?
< 1222626531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222626540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ODT can be a flatfile too but is normally a zip-archive
< 1222626550 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they both ignore files they don't understand..
< 1222626563 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1222626707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1222626714 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could one make documentation and code together in by that method
< 1222626728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++ uses 400 MB for each file when compiling this project
< 1222626730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is crazy
< 1222626739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the project is a game, wesnoth)
< 1222626745 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make an official compatibility requirement between ODT and JAR?
< 1222626750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is RAM
< 1222626755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 btw
< 1222626759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1222626783 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi *
< 1222626797 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are you doing the super-duper C++ types thing?
< 1222626808 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code + documentation sounds awesome!
< 1222626813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, no clue, I'm just an user trying to compile a game I like
< 1222626817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that game happens to use C++
< 1222626839 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: well, there is already Javadoc, which can go in the JAR
< 1222626851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact C++ is using more ram than virtualbox currently
< 1222626856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is crazy
< 1222626866 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, user-guides, tutorials should go together with the code
< 1222626866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since virtualbox use 500 MB RAM
< 1222626885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the computer_ai.cpp btw
< 1222626891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222626922 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should not*
< 1222626938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why javadoc?
< 1222626939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why java?
< 1222626942 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as, in the *.class files
< 1222626948 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they got .jar :P
< 1222626989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222626989 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222627007 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222627012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr, I tend to use doxygen rather than javadoc, but I don't code in java at all
< 1222627024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh edoc too
< 1222627031 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only do Java for work.
< 1222627032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but edoc is kind of slightly crazy
< 1222627056 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the point was that you can have a file which is both a .jar and a .odt
< 1222627057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is probably the most weird "generate documentation from source comments" system out there
< 1222627069 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the jar-file IS the documentation too
< 1222627072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr, well yes of course both are zip
< 1222627082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222627094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Microsoft's ooxml or whatever it was called also zip?
< 1222627138 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222627140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222627147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jar/odt/docx polygot!
< 1222627148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D
< 1222627154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OOXML is sufficiently badly specified that it can't really be calculated
< 1222627158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible idea in every possible way
< 1222627163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at what office 2007 does is one way to get some sort of clue
< 1222627178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222627197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I hear the standard's about 7500 pages once all the corrections are applied
< 1222627218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but what about a jar/odt/docx polygot?
< 1222627223 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just write the file in Office 07, OO.org and compile the code, then merge all the zips
< 1222627224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably possible
< 1222627227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let the user select what format they want to open it as
< 1222627248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the jar would contain a viewer for the same document as an applet or whatever
< 1222627251 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.odtx!
< 1222627260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr, .jodtx
< 1222627261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even
< 1222627272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or .jadtx
< 1222627287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm doesn't jadetex? exist. quite close to that ;)
< 1222627299 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a great way to bundle documents, though
< 1222627312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr, you mean in many formats?
< 1222627319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... what other ZIP-pased formats can we polyglot with it?
< 1222627324 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :create it as a jar-file which detects if you have Office or OO
< 1222627328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should put a Makefile and some sources in there
< 1222627332 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222627348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well sure, but you would have to extract it first
< 1222627365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well I don't know, but what about spreadsheet formats? or such
< 1222627369 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222627371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but a .zip archive with Makefile and/or configure script is reasonably common
< 1222627373 0 :oc2k1__!n=oc2k1@p5B1066F7.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222627402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could probably select the zip encoding to create valid brainfuck
< 1222627409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222627412 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it opens the file using the installed program
< 1222627415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably with suboptimal compression then
< 1222627416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not valid INTERCAL though
< 1222627421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you could get it to start DONOT
< 1222627423 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes away.  He may be some time.
< 1222627424 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.jodtxbf
< 1222627481 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222627487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222627493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr, I don't know that for sure
< 1222627500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just speculation
< 1222627503 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1222627504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it might be possible
< 1222627523 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a .odtx is actually a nice idea
< 1222627531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't, it's a horrible idea
< 1222627539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with ais523 
< 1222627552 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction: it's a nice hack
< 1222627555 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like hacks
< 1222627562 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I*
< 1222627565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a horrible hack
< 1222627577 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.5"
< 1222627580 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no, no
< 1222627588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOXML is horrible enough that it I don't like thinking about it
< 1222627588 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's spelled: beautiful!
< 1222627594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's called OXML nowadays
< 1222627599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they dropped the "Office" from the name
< 1222627613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as long as they don't try to get that as a standard...
< 1222627614 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222627622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they are
< 1222627625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was ISO who changed the name
< 1222627629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ugh
< 1222627631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still ugh
< 1222627634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it's going to become an ISO standard
< 1222627640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I hope they say no again
< 1222627645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as the editors finish applying all the 2000 or so pages of changes
< 1222627653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they said yes the second time, in controversial circumstances
< 1222627656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 4 countries appealed
< 1222627658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and were ignored
< 1222627691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1222627706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH everyone is ignoring the resulting standard
< 1222627708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Microsofy
< 1222627710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Microsoft
< 1222627736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least MS have to follow it now IMO
< 1222627743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't plan to
< 1222627749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why?
< 1222627750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in the current version of Office
< 1222627758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are supporting ODF, though, in a service pack
< 1222627765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't ask me, I'm not Microsoft
< 1222627771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my guess is that it's because it's too difficult
< 1222627772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222627797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they could have selected to use odf with custom extensions instead or something
< 1222627802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be MS style
< 1222627809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just plain odf would be better
< 1222627816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how long is the odf standard?
< 1222627818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, that's what they should do
< 1222627823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: much shorter then the OOXML standard
< 1222627826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll download it and have a look
< 1222627874 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222627965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :738 pages
< 1222627983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ODF 1.1
< 1222627987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the current version
< 1222627996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that's still a lot
< 1222628002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/22154/OpenDocument-v1.1.odt
< 1222628005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1222628009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's full of examples
< 1222628020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C99 standard is 552 pages
< 1222628025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has to define all the attributes needed for 3 different sorts of documents
< 1222628037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so slightly bigger than C99 seems reasonable IMO
< 1222628043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think C99 standard is huge
< 1222628052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the scheme standard is way way smaller
< 1222628055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than OOXML, though.
< 1222628069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read that one version was like 50 pages or so
< 1222628071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scheme standard is famous for being small, i think
< 1222628081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was until the latest versions...
< 1222628090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 thousand-something pages and counting...
< 1222628103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 2000?
< 1222628110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original version of OOXML was 6000 pages
< 1222628116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000 was the number of pages of /corrections/ that were suggested
< 1222628126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn.
< 1222628191 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point?
< 1222628199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what?
< 1222628200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOXML?
< 1222628203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good question...
< 1222628219 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6000 pages? is that actually necessary?
< 1222628226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not, as ODF is a lot shorter
< 1222628228 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things, they created a math markup language...
< 1222628232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For *no good reason*.
< 1222628236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm*
< 1222628240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that ODF relies on a whole lot of established standards, which is fine
< 1222628248 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222628250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas OOXML re-invented most of ISO, by the look of it
< 1222628258 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the alternatives weren't created by Microsoft...
< 1222628275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a standard entirely created by one company is suspicious
< 1222628313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also have 3 different ways of specifying a table.
< 1222628336 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway has chosen to use ODT, PDF & HTML for all official papers : -)
< 1222628364 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty awesome
< 1222628366 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of which is also a vector graphics format.
< 1222628377 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2007/12/norway-mandates-html-pdf-odf
< 1222628394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: I knew about Norway, it's not the only country doing that
< 1222628405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although #esoteric has sufficiently many Norwegians that perhaps it's the most relevant here
< 1222628428 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, really?
< 1222628444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is Norwegian IIRC
< 1222628451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boo!
< 1222628458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from somewhere I remember there was another
< 1222628465 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves
< 1222628475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I knew that one
< 1222628481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... is there a third, or is my memory playing up?
< 1222628481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple
< 1222628487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1222628503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of the other countries that have adopted ODF...
< 1222628509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's South Africa
< 1222628537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> Among other things, they created a math markup language... <-- mathml iirc?
< 1222628542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1222628544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222628549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MathML is a separate standard
< 1222628551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ODF uses
< 1222628552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that exists
< 1222628556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OXML has its own math markup
< 1222628558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that nothing uses
< 1222628561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK
< 1222628562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1222628567 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OXML uses it...
< 1222628567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember what it was called
< 1222628586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: actually all the equations in the original OOXML standard were JPEGs
< 1222628595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, feel free to laugh, I am
< 1222628617 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, JPEG <3
< 1222628626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JPEG is not very good for equations...
< 1222628649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and hard to edit
< 1222628655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222628669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I stick to LaTeX
< 1222628687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ODF is actually pretty good, I wrote a pro
< 1222628689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so much more awesome for documents than even odf
< 1222628694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance OpenOffice's macro language is rubish
< 1222628697 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurry images are so cute!
< 1222628699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,I wrote a pro//
< 1222628713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wrote a program that just parsed the .ods file directly
< 1222628718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't too hard to figure out
< 1222628720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ods?
< 1222628727 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spreadsheet?
< 1222628728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spreadsheet format from ODF
< 1222628732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222628735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1222628742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.odt for documents, .ods for spreadsheets, .odp for presentations
< 1222628744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for text I prefer LaTeX or even LyX
< 1222628751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much much nicer to edit
< 1222628761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ODF compiles to LaTeX
< 1222628764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not perfectly
< 1222628769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think LaTeX is turing complete
< 1222628771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that right?
< 1222628778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised
< 1222628785 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LaTeX is very nice
< 1222628785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it got stdio too
< 1222628785 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222628789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the ICFP entries last year was written in TeX
< 1222628799 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222628805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
< 1222628808 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1222628810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :icfp results yet?
< 1222628811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I used a non-esoteric latex program that generated a natbib style file
< 1222628811 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbbbbbbbbbbbbb
< 1222628815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I'll check
< 1222628816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it was indeed coded in latex
< 1222628830 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I think so. there was something at reddit a few days ago
< 1222628836 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet ais523 won
< 1222628837 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222628837 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tex != latex
< 1222628843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, they are
< 1222628845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't win
< 1222628850 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what place were you
< 1222628859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know yet
< 1222628863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.icfpcontest.org/results/
< 1222628866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me for asking instead of googling, but my system is already swap trashing so I don't want to start a browser: what is ICFP?
< 1222628866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can look at the same time I do
< 1222628877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the ICFP contest is a programming contest
< 1222628881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run every year
< 1222628890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah, what is special with it?
< 1222628903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just relatively famous
< 1222628908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and attracts quite a lot of entries
< 1222628915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nothing like obfuscation or such?
< 1222628926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222628929 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't a Java-team win something?
< 1222628932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are strict time limits
< 1222628935 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won*
< 1222628945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they set a task description
< 1222628963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have prizes for the best entry within 24 hours and the best three entries within 72 hours
< 1222628967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, was it the mars rover one?
< 1222628969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222628971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1222628972 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes the IRTC was still running (yes, I know that has nothing to do with programming)
< 1222628972 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-145-199-109.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222628974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this year
< 1222628992 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1222629019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I was eliminated at Lightning-8 and Final-9
< 1222629048 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX: http://sdh33b.blogspot.com/2008/07/icfp-contest-2008.html
< 1222629050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ouch
< 1222629071 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses Perl for network access, though
< 1222629093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they haven't put up all the details of the trials yet though
< 1222629136 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overall winner: Team Smartass wins again. Java is the programming language of choice for discriminating hackers.
< 1222629158 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top 10 languages: Top 10 languages: Java, C++, Java, Haskell, Haskell, C , C++ , C , C++, C++
< 1222629169 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauce: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/735fx/live_from_icfp_2008_icfp_programming_contest/c05jyov
< 1222629213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was such an obvious contest to use imperative languages on, thouhg
< 1222629222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's meant to encourage functional programming...
< 1222629454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so you didn't even reach the top 10?
< 1222629472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222629474 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'even' :-P
< 1222629477 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which team?
< 1222629478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you expect me to?
< 1222629484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: I entered as ais523
< 1222629490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there wasn't anyone else in my team
< 1222629619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222629629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I expected it as your app was good
< 1222629631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222629641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc you showed me some code from it
< 1222629651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, so were many of the others
< 1222629659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get some excellent programmers entering the ICFP contest
< 1222629692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222629901 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-98-89-121.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222629959 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@k-174.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222630047 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1222630284 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222630312 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222630337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklo[plfko]*
< 1222630352 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklocop
< 1222630479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklo.*
< 1222630502 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1222630643 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222631008 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fdsfsfs
< 1222631053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1222631064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is an oklocop like a netcop?
< 1222631074 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been doing the same on here thing since 3pm and it is terminally boring
< 1222631079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1222631282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: typing random letters into a channel?
< 1222631287 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222631287 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222631289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come over to ##nomic and start up a conversation
< 1222631298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murphy's there
< 1222631589 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION enforces murphy's law
< 1222631708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches oklocop fail.  at the worst possible time.
< 1222631780 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already did, ais523 clearly set up for a better pun than mine
< 1222631799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I wasn't setting up for a pun
< 1222631801 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm interesting, a grounded recursive acronym:
< 1222631803 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i had all the ingredients, murphy = law, cop = law, but i kinda blew it
< 1222631816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'TTC - Stands for "The TTC Company"'
< 1222631816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but referring to someone who was genuinely called murphy that both me and tusho know
< 1222631825 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i basically just said "lol pun elements! look i found them myself"
< 1222631840 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i know that
< 1222631850 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you ! ->
< 1222631852 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"
< 1222632251 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222632587 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1222632592 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ne regrettons pas le passé, ne nous préoccupons pas de l'avenir : le sage vit dans le présent."
< 1222632682 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1222632686 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony is French? :o
< 1222632840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mais oui
< 1222632860 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This changes EVERYTHING!"
< 1222632871 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am too.
< 1222632873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've been discussing his quit messages before :)
< 1222632881 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't there.
< 1222632904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one was a new one i think
< 1222634203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1222634209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox is using 500 MB ram
< 1222634216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with one page open
< 1222634218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a simple one
< 1222634227 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.0 I guess?
< 1222634275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah
< 1222634277 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suggests 3.0
< 1222634317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah except the downside: there is as far as I know yet no 1.5 style theme for it
< 1222634354 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://webdesigns.ms11.net/winstripethemes.html ?
< 1222634371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they ported it to 3.0?
< 1222634382 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I googled that, is that it?
< 1222634384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well was some time ago I last checked
< 1222634401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "almost" I think
< 1222634405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use winstripe yes
< 1222634420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1222634422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"winestripe"
< 1222634430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, which haven't been updated
< 1222634438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it is an adaption
< 1222634470 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was linked from https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3479
< 1222634470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linstripe seems good
< 1222634485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however doesn't look exactly the same
< 1222634499 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, meh... my favoured theme doesn't exist for 3.0 either, but oh well
< 1222634515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, thanks a lot
< 1222634516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the advantages of a good browser outweigh those of a good theme IMO :-P
< 1222634537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I include "usable" in "good"
< 1222634548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I argue both 2.0 and 3.0 themes are "not usable"
< 1222634570 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've tried all the existing themes, then?
< 1222634576 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222634579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "standard themes"
< 1222634580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1222634585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo
< 1222634592 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to use them
< 1222634594 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly don't
< 1222634596 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never have
< 1222634606 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in the days of 0.4 I guess
< 1222634606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well 1.5 standard theme rocked
< 1222634610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is what I use
< 1222634618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hehe I used opera back then iirc
< 1222634657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not
< 1222634660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :konq possibly
< 1222634802 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-145-221-145.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222634954 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-98-89-121.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222635030 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssssss
< 1222635040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what happened to thunderbird 3.0 btw?
< 1222635092 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean what happened? :-P
< 1222635113 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in development, alphas are out AFAIK
< 1222635126 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the firefox 3 theme is usable & fine btw.
< 1222635130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also /me uses webkit nightlies
< 1222635377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah
< 1222635400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you forgot an important word there
< 1222635414 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: let me guess
< 1222635415 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'not'
< 1222635431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<tusho> the firefox 3 theme is usable & fine btw" << add "IMO", it is subjective, not some universal "truth"
< 1222635449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine that you like it
< 1222635450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't
< 1222635461 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if we follow that route then everything everyone says has to end in IMO because everything humans say is subjective to themselves, IMO
< 1222635463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is completely subjective
< 1222635488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, depends, some things are objective. Like the speed of light
< 1222635491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather relative
< 1222635497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is absolute of course
< 1222635507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything else is relative it
< 1222635515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's still IMO in that "it's what I've heard"
< 1222635518 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and believe"
< 1222635530 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-085-016-239-092.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222635550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, interesting, but don't you agree certain things, like taste, is more subjective than other things?
< 1222635570 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: did you recognize that was i say was subjective?
< 1222635573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you did. so there's no need to mark it
< 1222635641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222635988 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: green
< 1222635995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ...
< 1222636014 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: purple
< 1222636028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: sky blue-pink
< 1222636038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: buffer overflow red
< 1222636145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: polka-dot
< 1222636234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: corduroy
< 1222636250 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaa
< 1222636254 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1222636254 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win
< 1222636262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you win?
< 1222636264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why?
< 1222636268 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game
< 1222636271 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you just lost
< 1222636273 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because I won it
< 1222636291 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatev
< 1222636313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey!
< 1222636316 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatev is MY WORD
< 1222636328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not
< 1222636350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222636400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not mine either
< 1222636401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whatev
< 1222636523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph those explanations all miss the point
< 1222636549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not because the word is cool, it's because you care _so_ little you don't bother to finish it...
< 1222636599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed
< 1222636605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe
< 1222636607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indee
< 1222636797 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's finally on no. 11
< 1222636825 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A short version of the word whatever that lazy/stupid people use cause they THINK it sounds cool, but it's not. Only time it was cool is when Erin used it, and when she stopped it was deemed uncool.
< 1222636829 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the crap
< 1222636830 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222636861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION votes no. 11 up
< 1222636874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders who Erin is
< 1222636884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some person who defines cool, obviously
< 1222636886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not enough to google it
< 1222636894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I doubt you could find that by googling
< 1222636936 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indee
< 1222636986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaa
< 1222637002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indee is a record company
< 1222637037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff
< 1222637056 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: why the vocalization?
< 1222637061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ds
< 1222637077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: why the consonance?
< 1222637088 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b
< 1222637117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now where did i put that flyswatter...
< 1222637179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chases after tusho ---##
< 1222637187 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats flyswatter
< 1222637191 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gulp*
< 1222637197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes
< 1222637199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares at oerjan blankly
< 1222637228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what shall we now do with the quit/join spammers, i ask you
< 1222637235 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222637235 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.120.234 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222637237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222637237 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.120.234 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222637242 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222637244 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.120.234 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222637246 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how predictable
< 1222637254 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222637256 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.120.234 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222637258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: before you said that, did we have any quit/join spammers?
< 1222637267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally
< 1222637272 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its throttled
< 1222637274 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1222637299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls ais523 being one
< 1222637325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, that isn't deliberate, it's my connection messing up
< 1222637331 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1222637333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's not much I can do about it apart from not joining the channel
< 1222637338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he means unintentional ones
< 1222637400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intentional ones, we ban.
< 1222637427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would, if lament were around
< 1222637447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't fizzie an op too?
< 1222637475 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you an op?
< 1222637481 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so
< 1222637494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you an op?
< 1222637495 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you installed mandrake, right?
< 1222637565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: You are an op.
< 1222637565 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222637565 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I actually did it because I couldn't understand parts of Turing's article
< 1222637593 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1222637613 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222637662 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: prove it
< 1222637668 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use your opular powers to kick me
< 1222637693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a popular ower
< 1222637716 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1222637723 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, lament ... do we have ops that actually do things
< 1222637723 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222637754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've seen actual spammers handled
< 1222637757 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't I already ban you once when you said you wanted it? Or have I just been imagining things again?
< 1222637782 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: knowing tusho, that seems extremely statistically likely
< 1222637806 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you did, yeah.
< 1222637810 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all we got out of that one was few minutes of pointlessness, unsurprisingly.
< 1222637840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait a minute, shouldn't that have _increased_ signal to noise ratio?
< 1222637845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it was fun! i was the brother that doesn't exist.
< 1222637863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were the brother?! Shocking!
< 1222637870 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shi-
< 1222637871 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222637883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right.  i think i remember that.  not that you were banned first though...
< 1222637891 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: better ban me now...
< 1222637893 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for impersonation
< 1222637906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you impersonate someone who doesn't exist?
< 1222637908 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222637922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes
< 1222637925 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222637936 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Judofyr could use a swatting
< 1222637947 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was done twice actually
< 1222637951 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same brother-routine each time
< 1222637954 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once by lament once by fizzie
< 1222637957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks tusho in the stomach, causing him to throw the swatter up at Judofyr 
< 1222637976 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow
< 1222637989 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme is like a esoteric languange http://paste.pocoo.org/show/86466/
< 1222637993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION places a large net in the middle of the situation, causing it to become a lot more confusing and amusing
< 1222638016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: that doesn't look all that eso to me
< 1222638196 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: I would expect more of Scheme than that: (html (head (title "My Title) ) (body (h1 "My Site") (p "Welcome!")))
< 1222638207 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we're talking :-)
< 1222638232 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: its my first program with Guile
< 1222638239 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: but can you define html, head, title, body, h1, and p, in two lines? :-)
< 1222638258 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I demand method_missing!
< 1222638269 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: very easy
< 1222638269 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: nice! I've always wanted to try Scheme..
< 1222638270 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have something like
< 1222638275 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if Scheme can do that
< 1222638280 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(run-html `(p "hello" ,(+ 2 2)))
< 1222638283 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parse it as lists
< 1222638290 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, yeah.
< 1222638294 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially write a mini interp
< 1222638301 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: if it's two lines and very easy, just do it live ;-)
< 1222638397 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played with the idea to use a Java API to parse the DTD in JRuby in order to generate Ragel code which generated C which should be used in Ruby, so you can't do stuff like body { title "Hello!" }
< 1222638455 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :validating & generation XML on-the-go :-)
< 1222638465 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generating*
< 1222638494 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | dang!
< 1222638506 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1222638508 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good reaction
< 1222638510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: you've been very brief lately
< 1222638511 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: at least i haven't managed to mess anything yet
< 1222638521 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: yet.
< 1222638522 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I get it.
< 1222638524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: that's debatable, look at fungot for instance
< 1222638524 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fnord fnord __ a____.
< 1222638525 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's a lot cleaner than common lisp, though.
< 1222638536 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, fungot xDD
< 1222638537 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you can't return the value
< 1222638543 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best line yet
< 1222638644 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fnord you, fungot
< 1222638645 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: include() is pretty fnord.)
< 1222638650 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1222638849 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI, I failed :(
< 1222638877 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, fungot: help him!
< 1222638877 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's a fnord... so far they seem to have this kind of meeting, never mind
< 1222638878 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah found it
< 1222638909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot seems a bit paranoid to me
< 1222638909 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yet euclid's proof is considered one of the controls in a gui
< 1222638941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think fungot might be Gene Ray in disguise
< 1222638942 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so if we can get riastradh to beat you about the irc protocol
< 1222638942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fungot> oerjan: yet euclid's proof is considered one of the controls in a gui
< 1222638942 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ' re already dead".
< 1222638944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf?
< 1222638968 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you mean it isn't?
< 1222638988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: not in Win32, anyway, not sure about other GUIs
< 1222638993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe fungot is too coherent for that
< 1222638993 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: paradigm sounds better though :)
< 1222639047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is it about you and fnords?
< 1222639048 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: before the copypasta. i bet you someone will make a brainfube.
< 1222639051 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222639194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfube?
< 1222639689 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok my extended http://paste.pocoo.org/show/86468/
< 1222639712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: typo on line 20
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< 1222660094 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I'd hate thinking code all the time...
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< 1222681694 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I'll pastebin it so someone can explain the math behind it.
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< 1222690923 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1222690959 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ko
< 1222690964 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need ais523
< 1222690966 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give him to me
< 1222690976 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222691134 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATLAB <3. The function "logspace(x1,x2,n)" returns n logarithmically spaced points in the range [10^x1, 10^x2]... except as a special case, if x2 is pi, the range is [10^x1, pi] and not [10^x1, 10^pi].
< 1222691170 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: f
< 1222691176 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is even implemented by special-casing: if d2 == pi || d2 == single(pi); d2 = log10(d2); end
< 1222691230 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's full of this kind of stuff that's obviously done so that old MATLAB code doesn't break.
< 1222691256 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lolled
< 1222691275 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i hate backwards compatibility
< 1222691292 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another example: in normal expressions, && is a short-circuiting logical and, while & always evaluates both sides... except that in a "if foo & bar; ..." statement, and only there, the & operator is also short-circuiting.
< 1222691302 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1222691303 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_______<
< 1222691340 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just awful
< 1222691342 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"PJIRC @ http://webirk.dy.fi"
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< 1222691354 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webircs <3
< 1222691479 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> if fprintf('foo!\n') | fprintf('bar!\n'); fprintf('ha ha, confused you!\n'); end
< 1222691482 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo!
< 1222691485 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha, confused you!
< 1222691487 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> if ~~(fprintf('foo!\n') | fprintf('bar!\n')); fprintf('ha ha, confused you!\n'); end
< 1222691490 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo!
< 1222691493 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar!
< 1222691496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha, confused you!
< 1222691508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The magic falls of if I add a not-not in front. (MATLAB uses ~ as unary logical not.)
< 1222691522 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1222691554 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also none of the help pages for &, | or "if" document the insanity. At least "help logspace" mentions the pi thing.
< 1222691601 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I did assume a typo when I saw it there. "LOGSPACE(X1, X2) generates a row vector of 50 logarithmically equally spaced points between decades 10^X1 and 10^X2.  If X2 is pi, then the points are between 10^X1 and pi."
< 1222691657 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that sounds like an examples
< 1222691659 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*example
< 1222691675 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's nothing else it could sensibly be
< 1222691696 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw. that's a pretty weird function even without the pi thing
< 1222691698 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50?!?
< 1222691723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The three-argument form takes the number of points as the third argument.
< 1222691735 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1222691740 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's 50 because it's a "sensible" amount of points if you're using it like plot(logspace(x1, x2), ...).
< 1222691756 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely, that doesn't make it any less ugly.
< 1222691983 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does matlab suck altogether?
< 1222691998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not completely, but it's definitely not pretty.
< 1222692013 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you solve a set of equations?
< 1222692028 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say X = 2Y, Y = 35Y^2 - X
< 1222692033 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1222692044 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird example
< 1222692052 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what its use was
< 1222692147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like this: (not your example, though)
< 1222692149 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> A = [1 2 3;.3 .1 .2;.7 .8 .9]; y = [2;4;6];
< 1222692149 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> x = A\y
< 1222692149 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x =
< 1222692154 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   15.8889
< 1222692154 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   -4.7778
< 1222692154 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   -1.4444
< 1222692169 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That solves Ax = y.
< 1222692268 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it.
< 1222692318 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel like explaining a bit?
< 1222692416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to use another notation, the previous one solved the set of equations {1*x1 + 0.3*x2 + 0.7*x3 = 2; 2*x1 + 0.1*x2 + 0.8*x3 = 4; 3*x1 + 0.2*x2 + 0.9*x3 = 6}.
< 1222692430 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving x1 = 15.8889, x2 = -4.7778, x3 = -1.4444.
< 1222692493 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1222692509 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linear algebra (read: matrices) is what people usually use MATLAB for; it doesn't really do symbolic manipulation at all. Or maybe a little bit, but not much. It's no Mathematica (or Maple).
< 1222692520 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were literally solving Ax = y <=> x = y/A, it looked incorrect.
< 1222692533 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1222692577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A\y" is pretty close to "inv(A)*y" except that it's computed differently.
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< 1222692605 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it does the "sensible" thing (least-squares solution) if you give it a non-square matrix A, which would correspond to over- or undetermined system of equations.
< 1222692730 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is some symbolic equation-solving, though.
< 1222692738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> t = solve('x=2*y', 'y=35*y^2+x');
< 1222692738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> [t.x t.y]
< 1222692738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans =
< 1222692738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[     0,     0]
< 1222692738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ -2/35, -1/35]
< 1222692759 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm reading it right, it seems to say that {x=0, y=0} and {x=-2/35, y=-1/35} are solutions for that.
< 1222692817 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to be pretty desperate to use MATLAB for symbolic algebraisms, though.
< 1222692818 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solving from strings representing the equations isn't terribly elegant
< 1222692839 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's sort-of bolted in and not part of the core functionality.
< 1222692949 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATLAB:
< 1222692955 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORT-OF BOLTED IN AND NOT PART OF THE CORE FUNCTIONALITY.
< 1222693045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mess it is, yes.
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< 1222694508 0 :oklogod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting way to express large numbers: "For example, it can be shown that there are 33, 665, 406 possible expressions over the numbers 1, 3, 7, 10, 25, 50, but only 4, 672, 540 of these expressions evaluate successfully, which is just under 14%."
< 1222694852 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkj%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
< 1222694869 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`̀̀̀̀̀̀`~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~```̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀``̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀
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< 1222696036 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`````````
< 1222696036 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`
< 1222696042 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`````
< 1222696051 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀
< 1222696056 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1222696058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bold
< 1222696064 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀bold̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀
< 1222696202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀�
< 1222696657 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ẇ
< 1222696673 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ẇ ẇ ẇ ẇ with a dot on top
< 1222696678 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ẇ ẇ ẇ ẇ, ẇ ẇ ẇ ẇ ẇ
< 1222696679 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ẇ ẇ ẇ ẇ with a dot on top
< 1222696680 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ẇ ẇ ẇ ẇ, ẇ ẇ ẇ ẇ ẇ
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< 1222698088 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222698130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1222698138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wooble wants to steal your madscientistness
< 1222698141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i renominated you
< 1222698143 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :##nomic ->
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< 1222698540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi
< 1222698546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1222698580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm overengineering another assignment, this time C++ (introductory)
< 1222698591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, overengineering
< 1222699037 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just as a warning, i want to show you some ideas about muture in the near future, and i may even be hoping for you to help me implement it.
< 1222699051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... if I have time, I may help
< 1222699056 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muture is the declarative language i was creating, if you recall the levenshtein example
< 1222699062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to have a concrete target to aim for that isn't too difficult
< 1222699070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike something like Feather which keeps running away when I think about it
< 1222699085 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222699098 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muture is very, very declarative.
< 1222699098 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1222699124 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it turns out, it actually encompasses the concept of heuristic function for the searches quite neatly
< 1222699128 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i didn't even realize before
< 1222699143 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muture's basic tool is the "make as great as possible" operator >>
< 1222699162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... will it have a "make equal" operator?
< 1222699168 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1222699168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can express that in terms of >>
< 1222699173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but might not want to for optimisation reasons
< 1222699179 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222699183 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization
< 1222699184 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfffffft
< 1222699190 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "make equal" is optimized.
< 1222699205 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, you cannot create more of these operators, they are kinda high-level
< 1222699217 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the language is not meant to be that flexible in terms of types and such
< 1222699222 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have lists, and numbers
< 1222699230 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and functions, of course, but no lambdas
< 1222699255 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are very neat optimizations you can do, of which i hope to be able to show a few examples soon
< 1222699279 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the levenshtein example, if i'm not mistaken, should actually directly "compile" to the imperative version everyone knows
< 1222699289 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive
< 1222699325 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the use of a technique i like to call "memoization structure optimization" (invented on the fly)
< 1222699338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I know what memoization is
< 1222699342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how does it apply to structures?
< 1222699356 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is, you don't have to have a generic memoization
< 1222699372 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would use a two-dimensional array for levenshtein
< 1222699394 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also usually you couldn't actually memoize something like this
< 1222699425 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the minimum or maximum of a recursed case may not always lead to the minimum / maximum of the global case
< 1222699480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm RPN... what is non-reverse polish notation?
< 1222699488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: like RPN but backwards
< 1222699492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put the operator at the start
< 1222699501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222699506 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, except both have operators in the same order
< 1222699517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 + 3) * 4 in infix is 2 3 + 4 * in RPN or * + 2 3 4 in Polish
< 1222699519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocop: *operands
< 1222699528 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was a mental typo
< 1222699550 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttt, i'm in quite a hurry, actually.
< 1222699555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can think of RPN as a stack, but I can't create any mental reference frame for Polish...
< 1222699571 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go buy some shoes, although i'm not actually going to buy shoes but food ->
< 1222699582 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can you for infix?
< 1222699621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocop, you mean "normal" notation? Then well it is possible to think about it, though in certain ways RPN make more sense
< 1222699622 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also polish notation is what you use when using functions in, for instance, erlang.
< 1222699632 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus(minus(1,2),multiply(45,6))
< 1222699670 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when you know the arities of functions, you don't need the parens
< 1222699670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1222699676 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya ->
< 1222699681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blink*
< 1222699685 0 :Corun_!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222699705 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho will explain
< 1222699707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocop, You do use parens in Erlang, and I never seen mentioned that it was optional
< 1222699718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to test in an erlang shell
< 1222699724 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocop: i am not going to explain things to AnMaster
< 1222699725 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1222699728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i value my sanity, yo
< 1222699749 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant, you don't need, coinceptually
< 1222699757 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*typofix
< 1222699768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think oklocop means that functions are normally written in prefix notation, in all languages
< 1222699772 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222699772 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1222699775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in prefix notation
< 1222699779 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know the arities of all functions
< 1222699781 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can omit parens
< 1222699782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the arity is known the parens are redundant because you can deduce them from the arities
< 1222699786 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ * 5 2 / 1 0
< 1222699795 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :closest to that is lisp
< 1222699796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes except most languages doesn't allow omitting them
< 1222699799 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+ (* 5 2) (/ 1 0))
< 1222699806 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dfhsu akaesthilru2314892u18902412349u89234
< 1222699808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think perl does
< 1222699810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>CONCEPTUALLY<
< 1222699814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes agreed
< 1222699816 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl doesn't.
< 1222699819 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocop said conceptually, then i did.
< 1222699820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1222699826 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :third time's the charm?
< 1222699839 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it doesn't, except on top-level.
< 1222699845 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i need to go :P
< 1222699846 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1222699848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocop, cya
< 1222699868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes then the notation makes sense
< 1222699927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: actually I think Perl functions work without parens polish-style if you tell it the arities via prototypes
< 1222699935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl prototypes change the syntax of the language like that
< 1222699942 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oklocop said perl
< 1222699943 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me
< 1222699947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1222699953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, AnMaster said it first
< 1222699953 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you do this with prototypes and perl:
< 1222699960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus times 5, 2 divide 1, 0
< 1222699967 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning
< 1222699972 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus(times(5,2), divide(1,0))
< 1222699978 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not... then not really parenless polish notation
< 1222699984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be plus times 5, 2, divide 1, 0
< 1222699987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it does work
< 1222699989 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222699990 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1222699991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the division by 0
< 1222699997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh
< 1222699998 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1222700016 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw http://trixter.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/the-diskette-that-blew-trixters-mind/
< 1222700147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: nope, it doesn't work
< 1222700150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checked
< 1222700152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity, really
< 1222700153 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwww
< 1222700158 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make for some great eso code
< 1222700166 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make tons of little functions out of prototypes
< 1222700174 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then write the whole program as one parenless expression full of calls to them
< 1222700183 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222700188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could possibly even get it readable
< 1222700189 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1222700190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ought to work
< 1222700196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the Perl parser isn't good enough to figure it out, I think
< 1222700200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if
< 1222700202 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  equals
< 1222700205 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    plus 2, 2
< 1222700207 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    3
< 1222700211 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  print "yay"
< 1222700212 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1222700213 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1222700215 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pastebins
< 1222700249 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://rafb.net/p/6vYIPP46.html
< 1222700829 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222700836 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun
< 1222701119 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1222701251 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222701256 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-33-156.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222701466 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Perl's parser really keeps track of the exact arity when parsing code, just some overall "style" of the function. If I do "sub plus ($$) {...}" and try to call it like "print plus 1, 2, "\n";" it just complains about too many arguments to plus, since it has parsed it to be print plus(1, 2, "\n"); The prototype just helps it recognize "plus" as a function.
< 1222701951 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone
< 1222701952 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE
< 1222701953 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write
< 1222701954 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a name generator
< 1222701956 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for software
< 1222702061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, that's what I think too
< 1222702229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: quick come up with a name
< 1222702236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what?
< 1222702269 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a name
< 1222702280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acciacatura
< 1222702287 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too long
< 1222702297 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that he just morphed ais523 into a program
< 1222702298 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1222702690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523(#short);
< 1222702691 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222702697 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-33-156.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222702989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm if you tell me for what I could _try_ to help
< 1222703008 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: telling you what it is could produce a name that makes sense
< 1222703011 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will not do :D
< 1222703021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Innovation Software Inc.
< 1222703022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1222703066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah :P
< 1222703075 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a piece of software
< 1222703077 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will tell you that
< 1222703080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right hm
< 1222703085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YourSQL?
< 1222703097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would that be YouSQL?
< 1222703103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, Your
< 1222703120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CheeSQL.
< 1222703148 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said it was sql :P
< 1222703150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like cheese, except databases.
< 1222703155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1222703164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well you didn't say that it wasn't
< 1222703165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1222703174 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm kind of looking for something meaningless :-P
< 1222703179 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION types random letters
< 1222703184 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aretea
< 1222703192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAsTnRm
< 1222703196 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh I like aretea
< 1222703217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, AreteaSQL?
< 1222703220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no doesn't sound good ;)
< 1222703224 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: IT'S NOT SQL :-P
< 1222703226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah ok
< 1222703233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so what is it?
< 1222703240 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: MAGICAL
< 1222703250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah....
< 1222703257 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-170.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222703263 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka: you'll see, probably, maybe
< 1222703265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what about.... Rouge?
< 1222703271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that got magic ;P
< 1222703273 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've picked aretea
< 1222703277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1222703284 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to type and such
< 1222703294 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | probably ``releases the stream" would be better because java does not distinguish much between the reference and the object it refers to
< 1222703297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, does it exist?
< 1222703299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check with google
< 1222703307 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did.
< 1222703315 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a restaraunt and a World of Warcraft player.
< 1222703325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah probably no issue then
< 1222703345 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, this program controls a World of Warcraft bot player that owns a restaraunt in-game
< 1222703347 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-|
< 1222703348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, or you could call it: ThisIsNotSQL
< 1222703357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1222703427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARAWAD: Recursive Acronym With A Difference
< 1222703443 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a ripoff of PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor
< 1222703460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222703465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNG = Unix is Not Gnu?
< 1222703476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even UNR, Unis is Not RMS
< 1222703481 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That needs Gnu = GNU's Not UNG
< 1222703492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, heh
< 1222703503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix*
< 1222703505 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU's Not GNU's Not GNU's Not GNU's Not GNU's Not GNU's Not GNU's Not GNU's Not GNU's Not ... Unix is Not GNU's NOT ...
< 1222703512 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's brain explodes
< 1222703525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well I'm sure you could create that list in Haskell ;P
< 1222703540 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222703541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still thinks infinite lists in a programming language seem rather weird
< 1222703555 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ung = ["unix", "is", "not", gnu]
< 1222703560 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu = ["gnu's", "not", ung]
< 1222703577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess it uses references
< 1222703584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1222703587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're thinking way to low level there
< 1222703587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just lazy evaluation
< 1222703588 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses thunks
< 1222703594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah, ok
< 1222703596 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x is actually a 0-argument function returning x
< 1222703600 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how it does the laziness
< 1222703602 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ... complex
< 1222703604 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1222703607 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my example is invalid
< 1222703608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only bothers to calculate a particular element of the list when you try to find out its value
< 1222703609 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs to be
< 1222703615 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :["unix", "is", "not"] ++ gnu
< 1222703617 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise illtyped
< 1222703639 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> let ung = ["unix", "is", "not"] ++ gnu; gnu = ["gnu's", "not"] ++ ung
< 1222703639 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> gnu
< 1222703640 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :["gnu's","not","unix","is","not","gnu's","not","unix","is","not","gnu's","not","unix","is","not","gnu's","not","unix","is","not","gnu's","not","unix","is","not","gnu's","not","unix","is","n(...)
< 1222703671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Prelude?
< 1222703672 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222703672 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be
< 1222703678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which library is loaded
< 1222703679 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu ++ ["'s", "not"] ++ ung
< 1222703680 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc
< 1222703681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude's the standard one
< 1222703685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222703690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like stdio and stdlib, etc, in C
< 1222703718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it is not an infinite string though
< 1222703725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess strings aren't lists in haskell
< 1222703729 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they are...
< 1222703733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1222703733 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type String = [Char]
< 1222703741 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> let ung' = ung' ++ ["is", "not"] ++ gnu'; gnu' = gnu' ++ ["is", "not"] ++ ung'
< 1222703742 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> gnu'
< 1222703742 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Exception: stack overflow
< 1222703749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222703759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it tries to evaluate that all at once
< 1222703763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it has to
< 1222703770 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to pretty-print it, it needs to get the first element
< 1222703780 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the first element is the first element by one level of indirection...
< 1222703825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true
< 1222703836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no function to flattern a list?
< 1222703843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to be more esact
< 1222703845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exact*
< 1222703848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy enough to write
< 1222703853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably foldl (++)
< 1222703854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no function to lazily flattern a list
< 1222703856 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :concat
< 1222703862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be a lazy flatten
< 1222703866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222703871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl's the one that works lazily IIRC
< 1222703875 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, foldr
< 1222703877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could use that to generate a valid such string
< 1222703879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1222703879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1222703882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr (++)
< 1222703885 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foldl.com/
< 1222703886 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foldr.com/
< 1222703899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: are those about Haskell?
< 1222703907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, wonder who registered those
< 1222703912 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're exactly about foldl and foldr :-P
< 1222703914 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: same perosn
< 1222703915 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*person
< 1222703922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously
< 1222703923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1222703932 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they'd be good candidates for an art gallery
< 1222703940 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oliver steele, according to whois
< 1222703947 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wall with "foldl" and "foldr" in text, below them a screen with the respective site on a touchscreen
< 1222703952 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with big text for clickery, ofc)
< 1222703960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a postmodern statemenet about...
< 1222703962 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something
< 1222703963 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222703971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, about functional programming?
< 1222703977 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222703979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is far too surface
< 1222703983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about, um, the human status
< 1222703984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222703998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, shouldn't the word "lists" be there somewhere
< 1222704016 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, on foldl.com and foldr.com?
< 1222704019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, why did someone bother two register /two/ domain names for that?
< 1222704024 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not
< 1222704027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, in the "about" bit
< 1222704028 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :registering domains is EASY
< 1222704033 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no
< 1222704037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just can't appreciate good art...
< 1222704039 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-|
< 1222704041 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222704046 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fold.com was probably taken?
< 1222704062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: but expensive
< 1222704065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, certainly I can, but that depends on what sort of art you prefer. I even like some modern art, but I prefer classical stuff
< 1222704065 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what
< 1222704068 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPENSIVE? domains?
< 1222704081 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222704082 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, £4 a year is very expensive
< 1222704159 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i was just taking the piss, but i guess that's a bit silly of me since I like this: http://www.qotile.net/blog/wp/?p=564 (Note: Websites background is designed to destroy your eyes with its crazy animation.)
< 1222704193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I got gif animation repeat turned off)
< 1222704230 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1222704232 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a shame
< 1222704234 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great
< 1222704237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a while it just stops
< 1222704241 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then starts up again for no reason
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< 1222704318 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentlemen.
< 1222704480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbolge_Unshackled  <-- hm, ais523.... gcc-malbolge but for that turing complete version?
< 1222704491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: aargh
< 1222704515 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon, we'll get our programming project
< 1222704520 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have an unclean urge
< 1222704534 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to hand in, with the C version, a Scheme version and a Python version.
< 1222704538 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for lulz
< 1222704553 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly some more efficient functional language
< 1222704559 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Ocaml or something
< 1222704575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... anyone know a good guide on Ocaml?
< 1222704583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my university project for this year's Ocaml-based
< 1222704585 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope one exists!
< 1222704598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge IS tc
< 1222704603 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although really, our programming projects are usually really low level
< 1222704608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah yes by IO
< 1222704609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: original Malbolge definitely isn't
< 1222704616 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why they teach us so little of it
< 1222704616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has limited storage, thus is a finite-state machine
< 1222704619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malbolge-T may be
< 1222704622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not part of the spec
< 1222704626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes it is
< 1222704628 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1222704633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory's listed to 59049 10-trit words
< 1222704634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay
< 1222704640 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222704647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge is 'turing complete beyond memory constrains'
< 1222704653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka...all real-life systems ever
< 1222704681 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Jesus TC?
< 1222704687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it's arguable whether 59049 words is enough to do anything useful
< 1222704703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Malbolge, that is
< 1222704711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easily enough for many other more practical languages
< 1222704724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also I have basically no idea how to compile into Malbolge
< 1222704779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nor have I really
< 1222704783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but should be possible
< 1222704858 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | probably ``releases the stream" would be better because java does not distinguish much between the reference and the object it refers to - Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
< 1222704915 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1222704915 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | !lostkng look
< 1222704921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have no manual topics in HERE mister
< 1222704922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:(
< 1222704923 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1222704947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a game of Lost Kingdoms going on in #esoteric?
< 1222704965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I never got past the bit with the animal that eats you and which seems impossible to attack
< 1222704983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor did I ever bother to finish reverse-engineering Lost Kingdoms back to the original source so I could see how to solve it
< 1222705065 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ask the author?
< 1222705105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, boring
< 1222705117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, reverse engineer heh
< 1222705130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a common phrase in English
< 1222705135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck should be pretty hard to reverse engineer...
< 1222705137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I meant
< 1222705138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222705141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least compiled ones
< 1222705142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have the source to BFBASIC
< 1222705159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so by analysing BFBASIC to see how it generates code I may have a shot at decompiling Lost Kingdoms
< 1222705164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah...
< 1222705173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I can't be bothered, though
< 1222705177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, except they ran some optimiser over it iirc
< 1222705203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that change +-- into - and such
< 1222705216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, probably
< 1222705220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's less important
< 1222705224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decoding the program flow helps
< 1222705229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and extracting strings would particularly help
< 1222705235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a lost-kingdoms-like program
< 1222705450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does gcc-bf optimise away ++-- and such?
< 1222705459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will do in a postprocessing pass
< 1222705464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think that can be generated in the first place
< 1222705477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does optimise away ><, which can be
< 1222705943 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222706227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do you handle -c option?
< 1222706233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is object files not executables
< 1222706269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some custom format?
< 1222706274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it outputs in asm
< 1222706278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a .o extension
< 1222706291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what asm format? ?
< 1222706296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my own
< 1222706301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1222706306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of gcc-bf's processing is done in asm
< 1222706315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it converts to brainfuck right at the end
< 1222706410 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222706423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho was halfway through a sentence in query and left...
< 1222706426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the problem is
< 1222706431 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.120.234 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1222706667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, network issues I guess
< 1222707140 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who
< 1222707141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me?
< 1222707236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222707283 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222707455 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-102-229.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222707507 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1222707762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Mony
< 1222707767 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222709182 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222710838 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@ti211310a341-2089.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222710890 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1222711113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ backtraces are very hard to read IMO
< 1222711116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just consider:
< 1222711117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::basic_istream<char, std::char_traits<char> >& std::getline<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >(std::basic_istream<char, std::char_traits<char> >&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >&, char)
< 1222711133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are worse ones
< 1222711139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that gives all the information you need
< 1222711153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but it takes like 10 seconds to find the function name
< 1222711157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that
< 1222711173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the function name
< 1222711211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >& <-- isn't that same as std::string&
< 1222711220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be easier to read
< 1222711262 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nontrivial to get that
< 1222711267 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible, probably
< 1222711280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, depends, it could store that in the debug info
< 1222711297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I already used -ggdb3 I obviously didn't bind binary size ;P
< 1222712029 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222712135 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why Marsh is the greatest grocery store: Because it's the only place where you can buy Food Club brand bleach.
< 1222712147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1222712195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a good evening to you, Mr. ais523
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< 1222713581 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222713746 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1222715069 0 :psygnisfive!i=82f5c439@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-63219e2193c96ef8 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222715512 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222715550 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1222715570 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm currently looking for (v)servers running Debian with root access via ssh, located in Germany. If possible, the server should be free."
< 1222715581 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vps/dedi, with root access, in germany... for free
< 1222715583 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahah :D
< 1222715669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free as in speech, maybe
< 1222715677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you don't deny the holocaust
< 1222715692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearlyfreespeech.net allows stuff like holocaust denialists i believe
< 1222715705 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then it is probably not in germany
< 1222715712 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not :P
< 1222716194 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1222716415 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1222717675 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222717675 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1222717884 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=899&uid=swg21086803
< 1222717887 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notes error: 'Document has too many paragraphs - it must be split into several documents'
< 1222718299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this that OOXML standard you were discussing earlier? >:)
< 1222718315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps it's that European Constitution thing...
< 1222718336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or whatever it's called now)
< 1222718439 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's not an example.
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< 1222718736 0 :oc2k1__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222719275 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222719517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders who the heck Viramakarita is.
< 1222719549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the links are in french, and seem to be that quote or similar
< 1222719598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: have you heard about him/her?
< 1222719657 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/it
< 1222719670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm could be
< 1222719686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just lost the game
< 1222719687 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so did you
< 1222719689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing k by c gave one link, in english
< 1222719704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i avoid losing the game by rejecting the rules
< 1222719725 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible
< 1222719730 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 1. You are playing the game
< 1222719734 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no getting out of that
< 1222719736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with Oerjan
< 1222719744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game deludes its players into thinking everyone is playing
< 1222719750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those of us who aren't playing know better
< 1222719752 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: look, the game doesn't actually make sense
< 1222719755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can't make people play
< 1222719757 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows that
< 1222719759 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not delusion
< 1222719762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called "but it's funnier this way"
< 1222719788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rejecting the rules can be funny if you do it high-brow enough
< 1222719802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, write a philosophic tome on the concept
< 1222719810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but you didn't
< 1222719892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, vikramacarita gives more hits
< 1222719981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i alluded to it, which is obviously funnier than reading a 600 page tome
< 1222720115 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If rule 1 of the game is that you're playing the game, that's a null rule: If you're not playing the game, you're not following its rules, so the fact that one of its rules is that you're playing the game is irrelevant. If you are following the rules, you're playing the game, so the fact that a rule says you're playing the game is redundant.
< 1222720129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i believe you missed the part where I said "everybody knows that"
< 1222720155 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to respond to individual lines out of context :P
< 1222720483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah finally: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikram%C4%81ditya
< 1222722261 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1222723720 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders
< 1222723736 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking up aretea/ is a bit annoying, I could do _aretea/ but that's just security via obscurity
< 1222723738 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f
< 1222723824 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1222724121 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222724894 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | In which case you could just do @load quote again!
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< 1222725676 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@load quote
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< 1222728225 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun
< 1222728769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222728772 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels a lot later than it is
< 1222728842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you're in Europe, not in one of those places that just changed out of DST
< 1222728845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1222728860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think there are some aren't there)
< 1222728990 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its 22:56
< 1222728995 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like 23:30
< 1222729014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 23:56 here if that helps :D
< 1222729034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:57 by my clock
< 1222729172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, now it's 23:59
< 1222729212 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayeeh!  it all zeroed out!
< 1222729312 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Happy tomorrow.
< 1222729344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you (:|>*
< 1222730756 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1222730848 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile http://www.sshkeygen.com/ is still up
< 1222730881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1222730886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone uses it?
< 1222730903 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope not
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< 1222731747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
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< 1222735380 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1222736963 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1222746495 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | you could make a one-instruction instruction set that was turing complete, but you couldn't make a real computer to use it, so who cares)
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< 1222769822 0 :irc.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | (my dad can't hear that high a tone i think :P but neighbour might've woken up)
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< 1222774661 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://store.xkcd.com/
< 1222774667 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should get the Linux shirt :o
< 1222774670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Slereah
< 1222774679 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi.
< 1222774692 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it would be considered cheating in programming exams
< 1222774700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do what?
< 1222774738 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bunch of useful stuff on the penguin, apparently
< 1222774811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not clear enough to see what data's there
< 1222774819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my guess is it's mostly POSIX shell commands
< 1222774865 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1222774873 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be nice. I really suck at it.
< 1222775007 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. I really hate the online stuff that won't send you your password
< 1222775013 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always about generating a new one.
< 1222775021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: it doesn't know your password
< 1222775021 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it, I'll just write it down.
< 1222775023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for security reasons
< 1222775032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it generates a new one
< 1222775040 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but putting it on a post-it might also be bad security.
< 1222775057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the database will only store a hash of the password
< 1222775063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the password can be checked, but not retrieved
< 1222775065 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But damn, that's what I'm gonna do
< 1222775085 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired of generating new passwords for the shit I almost never use
< 1222775091 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like paypal or Steam
< 1222775282 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I do love, though, is the current euro-dollar exchange rate :D
< 1222775404 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel richer than a lion if that lion was rich
< 1222775648 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-181-100.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1222782560 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222782602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho
< 1222782614 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1222782625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go in an hour or so, btw
< 1222782628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll be back later
< 1222782983 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1222782985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1222783005 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
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< 1222783653 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1222783829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222783840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222784034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222784048 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222784081 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/31/35/31_35_mm_bjs_reaction.html
< 1222784100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION apologises for all the quit/join spam
< 1222784112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what's that?
< 1222784112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I sent a ping to myself about 20 seconds ago and it hasn't returned yet, no idea if any of you can see this then
< 1222784112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1222784184 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222784190 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a news article with an unfortunate/possibly-intentional headline
< 1222784295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1222784348 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222784390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you know how traceroute works?
< 1222784394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my connection problems remind me of that but with the IRC connect sequence
< 1222784396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly the way they sequence DNA
< 1222784400 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222784400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stopping at a random point and seeing what the value is at that point
< 1222784412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, half the time I manage to stay online long enough to see your paste
< 1222784428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other half I lose my connection during the connect sequence
< 1222784574 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222784574 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1222784593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success
< 1222784614 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 left the chat room. (Success).
< 1222784616 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably a record for bad connection quality for me
< 1222784618 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I've done pretty badly in the past
< 1222784623 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: what do you want the version string to be
< 1222784624 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I like your quit message
< 1222784626 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1222784630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's going to see this line anyway, probably, so I may as well write whatever I like
< 1222784634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222784635 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see it
< 1222784642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1222784648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now pick a VERSION reply
< 1222784649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what is the version string in this context?
< 1222784654 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTCP VERSION reply
< 1222784654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1222784660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it a short esoprogram
< 1222784665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1222784669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[[-].,] or something like that
< 1222784672 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1222784676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1222784679 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about 'netcat'
< 1222784686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will think you're the fastest typer ever
< 1222784686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't like lying about that
< 1222784691 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1222784695 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[[-].,] it is
< 1222784708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when people CTCP version me and get "netcat" 30 seconds later, it's because I replied with "netcat"!
< 1222784726 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olol, it listens on 31337 by default
< 1222784732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222784737 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell this program was written by 31337 irc users in 1999
< 1222784740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many other programs use that particular port?
< 1222784746 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and loads.
< 1222784772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately port 523's a bit too low to be usable
< 1222784779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 415523 is too high
< 1222784794 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bouncer name?
< 1222784800 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about
< 1222784811 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy fluffy puppy irc bouncer
< 1222784817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that idea
< 1222784822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but put flourescent in there somewhere
< 1222784834 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy fluffy flourescent puppy irc bouncer
< 1222784891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222784899 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222784899 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222784949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my pings aren't returning again...
< 1222785095 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see that
< 1222785284 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222785297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222785297 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-3-51.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222785304 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222785304 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1222785346 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... fifth attempt lucky
< 1222785348 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_:
< 1222785352 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg me a bouncer pass
< 1222785359 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't be tmp, but it won't help people impersonate you
< 1222785442 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222785442 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222785488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'm giving up for a couple of hours or so, it isn't worth trying to stay connected under these conditions
< 1222785493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully I'll be back later, and I'll use an entirely different connection then
< 1222785499 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: tch
< 1222785500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, self-ping time was 38 seconds just then
< 1222785504 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll leave your password as puppy then,
< 1222785514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, say it in the channel, will yo?
< 1222785517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to change it now
< 1222785523 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't help people actually impersonate
< 1222785526 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't nickserv
< 1222785527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes
< 1222785529 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's to get connected at all
< 1222785529 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long it will last remains to be seen
< 1222785529 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success
< 1222785535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't know where to put the password
< 1222785537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not that useful
< 1222785736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222785932 0 :ais523!n=ais523@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222785933 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222785937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1222785940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am testing the bouncer
< 1222785946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray.
< 1222785968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you are now disconnected
< 1222786025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222786036 0 :ais523!n=ais523@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222786036 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222786059 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222786287 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222786307 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.120.234 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222786319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222787097 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
< 1222787106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``````````
< 1222787115 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀à̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀a
< 1222787833 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222787840 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-3-51.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222788162 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222788173 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-3-51.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222788354 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222788368 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-3-51.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222788445 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222788790 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222788791 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222788832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I'm on a different connection this time
< 1222788836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope for the best...
< 1222788840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i set up the bouncer
< 1222788848 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be worth using for futureproofing?
< 1222788854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1222788864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might just be better never to go into the Library again if I want a reliable connection
< 1222788876 0 :_ais523!n=ais523@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222789019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1222789022 0 :_ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1222789026 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222789030 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was manual)
< 1222789047 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ya read me?
< 1222789059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1222789063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just identifying
< 1222789065 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray
< 1222789073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not set up properly yet
< 1222789075 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: create an artificial network drop to test that?
< 1222789080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me finish setting it up
< 1222789080 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say "going now" before you do
< 1222789082 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1222789084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ok, dropping the network now
< 1222789084 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll test pinging you after that
< 1222789092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222789093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 2
< 1222789094 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 3
< 1222789095 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 4
< 1222789097 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 5
< 1222789101 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 6
< 1222789102 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 7
< 1222789103 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 8
< 1222789105 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 9
< 1222789105 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1222789106 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 10
< 1222789108 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end.
< 1222789109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, it reconnected
< 1222789116 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did it tell you about my pings?
< 1222789116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw 8 9 and 10 in realtime
< 1222789123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others came in a batch
< 1222789127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1222789128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably being replayed
< 1222789129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray
< 1222789147 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you have an @eso-std.org hostname now
< 1222789148 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1222789156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better
< 1222789159 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222789165 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers settin' up sum of dat bouncer for himself
< 1222789185 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think i'd need to recompile
< 1222789187 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, i'll do it later
< 1222789188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222789192 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.120.234 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222789193 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops.
< 1222789206 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.. I wonder how it'd handle like 5000 messages overnight?
< 1222789213 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Probably just lag my irc client for a few seconds sending them all
< 1222789231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I want to test something
< 1222789233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab
< 1222789248 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo
< 1222789248 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar
< 1222789250 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baz
< 1222789254 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monkey tone
< 1222789259 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... lots of monkeys
< 1222789267 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of monkeys
< 1222789268 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of monkeys
< 1222789269 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of monkeys
< 1222789275 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1222789288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it remembers my identifiedness between connects
< 1222789290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason not to reidentify though just in case
< 1222789292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi tusho
< 1222789302 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, it doesn't disconnect from the server
< 1222789303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this way I always win at the hi tusho game
< 1222789306 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never saw you leave
< 1222789308 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, you do
< 1222789308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have no way to know whether I'm online
< 1222789313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222789313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i do
< 1222789319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how?
< 1222789321 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't respond to ctcps when you're offline
< 1222789323 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a feature apparently
< 1222789326 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i have no idea why...
< 1222789329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1222789342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably so you don't ping people and think they're online
< 1222789365 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1222789373 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222789381 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: disconnect for a minute will you? Wanna test if it sets away.
< 1222789457 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: seems not
< 1222789478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you get it to hide my IP on disconnect easily?
< 1222789492 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm... i think so
< 1222789493 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1222789502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way it would be an anonymising bouncer, as well as a connection-sustaining bouncer
< 1222789509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's easy to anonymise you may as well
< 1222789512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it isn't I don't mind)
< 1222789516 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, it is, a sec
< 1222789539 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gonna disconnect the bouncer to add me as an admin so I can set that, you'll have an outage of a few minutes, OK?
< 1222789543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1222789548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222789633 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1222789695 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | help ps kill i eof flush show ls
< 1222789711 0 :ais523!n=ais523@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222789845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222789860 0 :ais523!n=ais523@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222789867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1222790538 0 :ais523!n=ais523@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222790553 0 :tusho!n=tusho@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222790587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222790886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... does anyone here know OCaml?
< 1222790903 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1222790907 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222790908 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i know people who know it
< 1222790910 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1222790917 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :veeery little
< 1222790918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'll just have to learn it this afternoon, then
< 1222790976 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1222790982 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@d11-110.rb.gh.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222790985 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here's a general overview from what i know
< 1222791025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like Haskell, except it's strict, there aren't any typeclass thingies (floating point is +. instead of + - ugly things like that, because of it), it has OOP-style classes, and various other differences.
< 1222791027 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's fast.
< 1222791028 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really fast.
< 1222791037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast enough for system tools, i don't think an os would be much of a stretch
< 1222791070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty similar information to what I know about it
< 1222791091 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.ocaml-tutorial.org/?
< 1222791094 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"like Haskell except it's strict" :-P
< 1222791099 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not pure
< 1222791108 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means, to me, that it's very unlike Haskell.
< 1222791109 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy who wrote that is a crazy ocaml programmer guy
< 1222791110 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.
< 1222791113 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: whatever
< 1222791129 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: and the same to you.
< 1222791236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: on my OS, the programming tutorials are stored in the repos
< 1222791239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't even need to use the Web
< 1222791247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ocaml-tutorial isn't an official one
< 1222791253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried the official one once, it kind of sucked
< 1222791279 0 :Corun_!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222791369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, w3m even works with the mouse
< 1222791384 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shocking.
< 1222791388 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1222791390 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you said without
< 1222791390 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1222791399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to using it without
< 1222791406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way better than most graphical browsers at keyboard use
< 1222791628 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, pigs are now officially referred to as 'pre-bacon'.
< 1222791654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222791664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... OCaml claim to have half the performance of C
< 1222791670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty impressive for a functional language
< 1222791683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can believe it too, it's effectively decompiling the programs into the imperative equivalent wherever that makes sense
< 1222791685 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222791701 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all
< 1222791706 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What beats OCaml:
< 1222791713 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell
< 1222791715 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-)
< 1222791717 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc, ats, g++, java, lisaac, ghc, fortran, lisp
< 1222791720 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: uh, no
< 1222791721 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not haskell
< 1222791726 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is !GHC#
< 1222791728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unsafeGHC#
< 1222791752 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the situation in that regard is better on the 4-core side
< 1222791761 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: but, have you looked at ATS? it's much worse
< 1222791766 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222791769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATS appeared out of nowhere
< 1222791770 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and made me lol
< 1222791774 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's full of C
< 1222791782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP's last on that list?
< 1222791788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should enter some esolangs
< 1222791792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's full of crap
< 1222791793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and challenge the bottom of the scale
< 1222791793 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what
< 1222791797 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't take them
< 1222791804 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ruby isn't even _on_ that list
< 1222791805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1222791806 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby's not on the list, probably because it was too slow ;-P
< 1222791816 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably for the best
< 1222791816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby will be on the list eventually
< 1222791817 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222791822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the programs haven't finished running yet
< 1222791824 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can still look at the old one which had a lot more langs
< 1222791825 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all
< 1222791828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oooh bur
< 1222791829 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n
< 1222791833 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ruby is at the bottom of /that/ list.
< 1222791838 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well
< 1222791839 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby 2.0
< 1222791839 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarv
< 1222791840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo
< 1222791841 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;o
< 1222791842 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit over twice as slow ar php.
< 1222791845 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ar/as/.
< 1222791847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, they said they aren't putting langs there with more than a couple of timeouts
< 1222791848 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, uh, in 2054...
< 1222791849 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222791851 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-3-51.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222791853 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1222791853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1222791856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Ruby was timing out on a couple of the projects
< 1222791905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I reckon I could get way below either of the C implementations there using gcc-bf, once it's finished
< 1222791928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... #esoteric is one of those places where doing badly at benchmarks is a sport
< 1222791951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one of these days we'll get a hello world which takes over 24 hours to run
< 1222791979 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quad-core benchmarks, with all the unsafeGHC# entries set to a weight of 0: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all&xfullcpu=1&xmem=0&xloc=0&binarytrees=1&chameneosredux=1&fannkuch=0&fasta=1&knucleotide=0&mandelbrot=1&meteor=1&nbody=0&pidigits=1&regexdna=1&revcomp=0&spectralnorm=0&threadring=1&calc=calculate
< 1222791985 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: been done
< 1222791986 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's some url
< 1222791993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a person on everything2.com
< 1222791995 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1222792000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had an md5 of the string hello world
< 1222792003 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it randomly generates strings
< 1222792005 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and prints it out if it matches
< 1222792010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's cheating
< 1222792010 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why md5
< 1222792013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant a genuine version
< 1222792016 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: cuz it was in 2000 or something
< 1222792024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe by chaining together esocompilers
< 1222792025 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: the md5 is still pointless
< 1222792032 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just plain randomizing would be just as slow :-P
< 1222792038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is hugeurl.com down?
< 1222792044 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so
< 1222792049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity
< 1222792057 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hugeurl.wiggy.net/ exists
< 1222792059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I can agree with Deewiant to some extent
< 1222792185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google confirms that hugeurl.com used to exist
< 1222792192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays it's a 403 though
< 1222792309 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222792434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, SKI doesn't work in OCaml, it must have decent typing
< 1222792500 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure, hindley-milner
< 1222792544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is always annoyed that combinators don't type properly
< 1222792560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not those ones, anyway
< 1222792585 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although hmm, do you mean specifically Ix -> x, Kxy -> x, Sxyz -> xz(yz)?
< 1222792589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, those ones
< 1222792596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they type
< 1222792597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sii doesn't
< 1222792613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it requires the infinite type 'a -> 'a -> 'a -> ...
< 1222792630 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1222792638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the Haskell and OCaml interps I have give pretty different error messages for that situation, but both are useful
< 1222792733 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure the fix-point combinator can be defined in ocaml somehow, though, so that's not such a big loss ;-)
< 1222792796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... OCaml doesn't allow things to be defined in terms of themself, at least not variables
< 1222792805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let a = [1] @ a;; is an error
< 1222792807 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need 'let rec'
< 1222792809 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC
< 1222792814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ofc
< 1222792823 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no, not 'ofc' :-P
< 1222792832 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think such is somewhat annoying
< 1222792833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it doesn't work
< 1222792838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This kind of expression is not allowed as right-hand side of `let rec'
< 1222792858 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug
< 1222792887 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it recognizes that that would loop infinitely?
< 1222792980 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222792987 0 :CO2Games!n=CO2Games@75-163-236-8.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222793300 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222793313 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-3-51.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222793362 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why are you learning it?
< 1222793382 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-102-229.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222793405 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop :)
< 1222793411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1222793414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Mony
< 1222793425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: my project for this year will probably be written in OCaml
< 1222793431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least interface with OCaml code a lot
< 1222793432 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, OK
< 1222793433 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1222793436 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ephemist or ephemerist?
< 1222793440 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is correct
< 1222793448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard the first word
< 1222793458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the second would presumably mean "someone who specialises in ephemera"
< 1222793465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a pretty strange meaning to be saying in the first place
< 1222793478 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222793481 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ephemerists are those who like ephemera and often like to preserve it
< 1222793482 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your project?
< 1222793498 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222793503 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-3-51.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222793507 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an ephemerist in that i absolutely hate things expiring so i try and preserve info as much as possible...
< 1222793516 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think perhaps ephemist is more correct
< 1222793518 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1222793542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocop: it's to do with hardware synthesis
< 1222793579 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ephemist gets basically no results
< 1222793582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ephemerist gets a ton
< 1222793583 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[google]
< 1222794135 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222794137 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222794191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: university stuff?
< 1222794196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222794558 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222794648 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222794653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much lag eso-std.org gives u
< 1222794654 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1222794662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 seconds worth
< 1222794666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't really that accurate
< 1222794669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222794693 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i mean
< 1222794695 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference between
< 1222794696 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you -> server
< 1222794699 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222794699 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you -> bouncer -> server
< 1222794710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on how approximately en route the bouncer is
< 1222794714 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1222794720 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course, our pings will always be immediate
< 1222794723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone's been filling the Internet with duff routing information again, it may even be quicker
< 1222794727 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since psyBNC will respond to them directly
< 1222794730 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as we're on the same server
< 1222794735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, of course
< 1222794748 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no freenode involved there
< 1222794757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1222794763 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.*//
< 1222794807 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: silly wabbit, why not d$?
< 1222794827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Perl
< 1222794840 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there has to be a sed->perl compiler using perl regexps
< 1222794846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is s2p
< 1222794850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never looked at its source though
< 1222794856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a2p too
< 1222794858 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, then say your corrections are in s2p
< 1222795518 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a stunning break from tradition, this project is going well.
< 1222795563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222795570 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1222795573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222795581 0 :ais523!n=ais523@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222795582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222795595 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1222795598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the * glob ignores .files
< 1222795621 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "rm -rf ~/my-aretea/*" will work fine
< 1222795630 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since all the important stuff is in a dot-directory
< 1222795636 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so, i'm uneasy actually doing that...
< 1222795657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a [] glob to whitelist various first characters
< 1222795661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in [a-zA-Z0-9]
< 1222795666 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1222795672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/my-aretea/[a-zA-Z0-9]*
< 1222795679 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely i'll just let the user easily use it to clear the cache
< 1222795691 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of manually doing it
< 1222795745 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-16-118.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222795819 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys
< 1222795829 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guiz
< 1222795830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Slereah
< 1222795835 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that website, with the programming language in plain english?
< 1222795841 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The terrible one
< 1222795846 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme find it
< 1222795854 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.osmosian.com/
< 1222795866 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE GUI WHORE
< 1222795877 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222795937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What if I'm not happy?
< 1222795940 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try chocolate cake."
< 1222795945 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a nice big cup of YOUR LANGUAGE SUCKS ASS
< 1222795967 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222795972 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the purchasing stuff can't even work
< 1222795980 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :card number + expiry + name + email
< 1222795984 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to know the card type and such...
< 1222796010 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1222796011 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they say
< 1222796011 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  var calfilelocation="cal-3037.zip";
< 1222796011 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  var samplefilelocation="sample.zip";
< 1222796560 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@i-197.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222796612 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :farewell ais523
< 1222797456 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222797573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I see the case of something that you CANNOT do but are privileged to
< 1222797573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do as something like if the government granted you a license to
< 1222797573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :operate a faster-than-light vehicle powered by a perpetual motion
< 1222797574 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :machine on public roads.]]
< 1222798200 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho : You could try it for all cards:
< 1222798263 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the "What language is it written in? Plain English".
< 1222798277 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and not in Assembly.
< 1222798287 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since all processors are in Plain English.
< 1222798318 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He conjured a Plain English compiler from space and wrote Plain English in it.
< 1222798411 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.osmosian.com/page04.png
< 1222798420 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What our customers could be saying, if held at gunpoint.
< 1222798741 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It should be noted that all this functionality is embodied in a single, stand-alone, native-code executable less than one megabyte in size."
< 1222798751 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feh! I could create ten languages in less space than that!
< 1222798846 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how they think Noam Chomsky would somehow benefit from a programming language with keywords from English
< 1222798928 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he meant Nim Chimpski
< 1222798931 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nim_Chimpsky
< 1222799071 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1222799820 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language is the Hitler of programming language D:
< 1222799878 0 :oklocop!n=nnscript@234-36.adsl.lpoy.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222799918 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^oko
< 1222799918 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko ...
< 1222799936 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^oko
< 1222799936 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko ...
< 1222799939 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222799940 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: just mentally replace 'kludge' and 'whore' with 'system'
< 1222799941 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^okoko
< 1222799974 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^o
< 1222799976 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1222799985 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't send spaces :(
< 1222800028 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they did anything since the last time I visited
< 1222800270 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222800456 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1222800468 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-psyBNC: Tue Sep 30 17:47:30 :connect from sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk
< 1222800469 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-psyBNC: Tue Sep 30 17:47:30 :User ais523 logged in.
< 1222800479 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies.
< 1222800486 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's been here forever
< 1222800501 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: no
< 1222800504 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's on a bouncer
< 1222800506 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on eso-std.org
< 1222800509 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i am also on
< 1222800748 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222801150 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222801151 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222801756 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1222801894 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo optbot
< 1222801894 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot optbot
< 1222801895 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: What you're saying is roughly equivalent to "I student."
< 1222801895 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarball#Tarbombs
< 1222801896 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: yes there is, foof? it strikes me as something that works for a certain amount of experience in building software.
< 1222801897 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: there are two things it's good at
< 1222801897 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: not at all
< 1222801898 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you can change it
< 1222801898 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: i was being sarcastic
< 1222801899 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: possibly
< 1222801899 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: yeah, that in perl multi dimensional arrays are flattened because it suited the author best at the moment
< 1222801900 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: GOOD - www. redirects to www.www
< 1222801907 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: fungot: You guys have the best conversations
< 1222801908 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ok that's insane
< 1222801908 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: testing it, that is
< 1222801915 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Heh!
< 1222801915 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: i'm sure there's foo-in-jvm for some useful values of foo
< 1222801918 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1222801921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: JVM for OS!
< 1222801921 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: anyway
< 1222801926 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: anyway. fungot your opinions?
< 1222801926 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: and flip the accept/reject states
< 1222801926 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: keymaker probably wanted a c version faster than list? because smalltalk has it?
< 1222801933 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that makes no sense
< 1222801933 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: " calculus".
< 1222801938 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CALCULUS"
< 1222801940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I rather like the idea of a JVM OS
< 1222801945 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: been done
< 1222801955 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jnode.org/
< 1222801961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it should have a #esoteric twist
< 1222801972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as be portable to a huge number of different windowing systems, despite being an OS
< 1222801979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1222801980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a sort of abstraction inversion
< 1222801994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should try to model all sorts of low-level stuff but access it through high level Java stuff
< 1222802000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jnode is disturbingly useful looking:
< 1222802001 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jnode.org/screenshots/jnode-0.2.7/5.png
< 1222802004 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs swing and everything
< 1222802016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the classic example is implementing threading constructs in ADA)
< 1222802018 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an inside-out software hierarchy!
< 1222802042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, on jnode presumably Swing and AWT would be the same
< 1222802051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Swing /is/ the native windowing system...
< 1222802061 0 :oc2k1!n=oc2k1@p5B1052B0.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222802073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWT is probably unimplemented
< 1222802076 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if not, mapped to swing
< 1222802083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapped to Swing would be my guess
< 1222802095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, someone new has joined the channel, and we're discussing Java
< 1222802097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will never do!
< 1222802115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not _that_ new
< 1222802121 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oc2k1 is not new
< 1222802126 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :few days
< 1222802128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Uleibheist> Your comment is subject to review, and will normally be included below: the review is simply to exclude unacceptable language (such as Java).
< 1222802132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I hadn't noriced
< 1222802137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: where's that from? :-)
< 1222802139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I probably got that nick wrong
< 1222802146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Claudio Calvelli's IRC nick I think
< 1222802150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I probably typoed it as it looks wrong
< 1222802179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more specifically it's from the CLC-INTERCAL guestbook
< 1222802265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the preferred GUI toolkit for INTERCAL?
< 1222802289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at a guess, GTK, or possibly Win32 API, as it interfaces most easily with C
< 1222802293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, and Befunge
< 1222802303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't have GUI toolkit bindings really
< 1222802323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so INTERCAL has a good C interface?
< 1222802326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but AFAIK there are no real INTERCAL GUI programs
< 1222802334 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-35-164.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222802339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: C-INTERCAL allows linking of INTERCAL programs with C programs
< 1222802348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i C
< 1222802352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all very simple, you write COME FROMs and other INTERCAL-like flow commands in the C program
< 1222802360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it Just Works
< 1222802370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you follow the instructions, anyway
< 1222802376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tell you not to do a huge list of things that could break it
< 1222802383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because C doesn't really like cross-function gotos
< 1222802401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222802415 0 :Corun_!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222802421 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would smash the stack....
< 1222802435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1222802440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're interested, http://code.eso-std.org/c-intercal/src/ick_ec.h is the source
< 1222802443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't smash the stack
< 1222802457 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun
< 1222802459 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222802463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it longjmps out of as many functions as it can safely jump out of without losing data, then calls the function you're jumping into and gotos the relevant line
< 1222802484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all nice and transparent to the user, except it makes something of a hash out of all the variables on the stack
< 1222802522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.eso-std.org/c-intercal/src/ick_ec.h is the kind of code I wish I could write so I could write all day
< 1222802533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took ages
< 1222802542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the only pieces of code I think I ever pseudocoded beforehand
< 1222802545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make sure it was right
< 1222802577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily it works great in a debugger so long as you set suffficiently many breakpoints and don't try to single-step past any of the longjmps
< 1222802594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically when you encounter a longjmp, you hit c and hope you remembered to set a breakpoint on the other side
< 1222802611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the longjmps are in the associated .c file, though, not the .h
< 1222802625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .c file handles the INTERCAL end of things, the .h handles the C end of things
< 1222802639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers renaming ick_ec.h to ick_ec.i just to get the symmetry perfect
< 1222803036 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1222803036 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1222804283 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in another unexpected turn, the project is still going well, and i managed to tweak a bit of it without the whole thing falling down just now
< 1222804297 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder when my brain was replaced...
< 1222804323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, it's just that the laws of physics were repealed last week
< 1222804328 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222804330 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a scam, i suppose?
< 1222804331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of scam involving a Fountain...
< 1222804337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not repealed, amended
< 1222804339 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never liked fountains anyway
< 1222804349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the strong force
< 1222804360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they were fully repealed, but people conform to them anyway mostly due to custom
< 1222804368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1222804388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that's not actually a change.  we always did that.
< 1222804404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going against them gets you some funny looks and a 3-in-20 chance of being hunted down by a pack of vigilante ninjas
< 1222804441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ninjas are not a problem, unless they disobey the laws too, which would be hypocritical.
< 1222804469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they're ninjas, there's no way to tell if they disobey the laws or not
< 1222804515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well even better, that means they'll be occupied hunting down each other
< 1222804565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why there's only a 3-in-20 chance
< 1222804571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222804640 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-16-118.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222804652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway another trick is to only break the laws in such a way that it looks like they haven't been broken.
< 1222804665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very useful
< 1222804692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that this is the laws of physics we're talking about, couldn't you break the laws in such a way that they actually hadn't been broken?
< 1222804740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing the past is highly dangerous, as you should well know
< 1222804778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi
< 1222804784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1222804834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hemskt mycket hej
< 1222804864 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry...
< 1222804872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mac's fan went on full blas, it does that sometimes
< 1222804876 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only stops when i restart
< 1222804878 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit weird
< 1222804882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably should get it checked out
< 1222804885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, didn't want it to catch fire
< 1222804902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you will be surprised to know we didn't notice
< 1222804909 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you didn't
< 1222804913 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the bouncer
< 1222804913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did
< 1222804918 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 did
< 1222804921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because -psyBNC told him.
< 1222804925 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since he's on the same bouncer
< 1222804940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psychic powers now... let me call those ninjas
< 1222804940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho's motivation for configuring a system which makes us both appear to be always online, except to each other, is clearly to confuse #esoteric
< 1222804966 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its easy to figure out if we're online
< 1222804967 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping them
< 1222804996 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1222805002 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw everything that happened when i was gone
< 1222805002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and happy Australian Mailman Reminders Day, everyone!
< 1222805006 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since my bouncer told me about it
< 1222805009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, you're only doing it to ESCAPE MY MIGHTY FLYSWATTER
< 1222805017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ha, last time i said that AnMaster yelled at me because i just made it up
< 1222805028 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i told him that it was simple, i linked him to mailman reminder day definitions
< 1222805029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's become something of a tradition, though, I think
< 1222805035 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: can i be on your bouncer too
< 1222805036 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then said it was the ones from australia
< 1222805043 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocop: sure.
< 1222805049 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i want to, but i want to know whether i have the opportunity!
< 1222805055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Happy+Mailman+Reminders+Day&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
< 1222805061 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopod
< 1222805062 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocop: it makes you connected forever
< 1222805066 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if your internet connection goes down
< 1222805067 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1222805069 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you reconnect
< 1222805073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it spews to you all the lines that you missed
< 1222805074 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i've licked bouncers before
< 1222805075 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you were gone
< 1222805075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first hit: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2004-April/016708.html
< 1222805082 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopod: yes but most don't do the latter
< 1222805087 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed they don't
< 1222805089 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but AnMaster took issue with the 'australian' modifier
< 1222805092 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they all should
< 1222805093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1222805095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, the Python mailing lists had us beaten by years
< 1222805104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well it happens 12 hours earlier in Australia
< 1222805107 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopod: unfortunately since it just slams it back at you, they all are from the same timestamp
< 1222805109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a day before for us here in the UK
< 1222805110 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who cares about timestamps
< 1222805126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: get it to send you the messages retroactively?
< 1222805138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ha
< 1222805144 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best would be to have it a specific protocol
< 1222805146 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just an irc server
< 1222805151 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it can send the right time
< 1222805177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/search?query=tag%3Amailman
< 1222805181 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1222805182 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/search?query=tag%3Amailman
< 1222805183 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1222805183 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap
< 1222805186 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is where i discovered it
< 1222805193 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i consider it my duty to spread it everywhere
< 1222805195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh _those_ reminders.  i get a couple from Agora
< 1222805211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chris-lamb.co.uk/2008/02/01/happy-mailman-day-sun/
< 1222805213 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: BRINGS YOU BACK
< 1222805213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought this was about physical mailman :D
< 1222805214 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAY BACK
< 1222805218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mailmen
< 1222805244 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plural of the program mailman is mailmans
< 1222805248 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222805251 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the plural of computer mouses is mouses.
< 1222805263 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-16-118.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222805301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way
< 1222805306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on the latter)
< 1222805317 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222805320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tusho's just trying to teach AnMaster bad English, I reckon
< 1222805321 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way
< 1222805333 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222805346 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1222805347 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just how i use it
< 1222805350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1222805351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there once were three mice who lived in three hice
< 1222805354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m4wrap(`this is how to do a quit message')there's something hidden at the start of this line that none of you can see
< 1222805356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1222805360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when I quit you'll be able to see it
< 1222805362 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i can see it!
< 1222805365 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: m4wrap(`this is how to do a quit message')there's something hidden at the start of this line that none of you can see
< 1222805367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you can't
< 1222805369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait until I exit
< 1222805372 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1222805374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the m4wrap will triggerr
< 1222805381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until then you have no way of knowing its there
< 1222805381 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION exits ais523 
< 1222805392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(N.B. if this fails please set your IRC client to parse m4)
< 1222805506 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, ais523 is still crazy.
< 1222805534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1222805535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
< 1222805606 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222805695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mailman+day
< 1222805709 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222805851 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would do something as crazy as setting their IRC client to parse m4?
< 1222805900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the answer should be obvious
< 1222805900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wrong channel
< 1222805916 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also opt to set your brain to parse m4.
< 1222805929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that isn't physically possible, have you /seen/ m4?
< 1222805949 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the little bit I've run across in autoconfy things.
< 1222805950 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, that'd explain alot of the behaviour of people in this channel
< 1222805971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus, olsner was enlightened.
< 1222805972 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo-something has probably done that
< 1222805998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I imagine that oklopod could quite possibly mentally calculate m4
< 1222806017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, oklopod is programming-the-noun
< 1222806018 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly has an idea for an #esoteric slogan
< 1222806024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: go on
< 1222806025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: sez the thue-in-mod_rewrite
< 1222806029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bringing madness to a planet near you"
< 1222806040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I like that, actually
< 1222806040 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he'd recite an m4 implementation in BF, more likely
< 1222806041 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1222806042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which planet?
< 1222806045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye Mony
< 1222806047 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, oklopod could trivially do it, probably
< 1222806047 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1222806051 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ne regrettons pas le passé, ne nous préoccupons pas de l'avenir : le sage vit dans le présent."
< 1222806059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION concludes that Mony must be some form of modern art
< 1222806072 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: bah, that was trivial once I got my compiler done
< 1222806074 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have not quite decided that yet
< 1222806141 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curiously though, sed turned out to be the language of choice for writing the compiler
< 1222806168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, oklopod has become one of the pod people
< 1222806198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a cross between Monet and money
< 1222806249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I have a Thue-without-certain-punctuation-marks-to-sed compiler written in sed somewhere
< 1222806317 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't wanna dissappoint you, but i don't know what m4 is.
< 1222806330 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's like an airplane or something.
< 1222806346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopod: it's a programming language which would be an esolang if less widespread
< 1222806354 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1222806354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: let's just say it's probably a planet _very_ near you
< 1222806359 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i think i've heard about i
< 1222806360 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1222806381 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll look
< 1222806382 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later
< 1222806383 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today
< 1222806384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopod: try running the m4 command on your computer
< 1222806390 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he uses windows
< 1222806405 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::))))
< 1222806429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh in that case m4 is the name of a motorway
< 1222806437 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who me some m4 plx
< 1222806450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a gun
< 1222806456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopod: who you?
< 1222806476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show you, maybe?
< 1222806482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at m4
< 1222806485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but try this:
< 1222806500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m4wrap(world!
< 1222806505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :)Hello, dnl
< 1222806508 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopod: it's the language you write configure.ac and sendmail.conf files in
< 1222806522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sendmail.conf is written in m4?
< 1222806525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains a lot
< 1222806538 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, one common package for *generating* sendmail configuration files is written in m4
< 1222806547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also explains a lot
< 1222806549 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222806550 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sendmail config format is worse... *much* worse
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< 1222806605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, i have plugins working
< 1222806611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to think about m4, think of the C preprocessor
< 1222806613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except recursive
< 1222806623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that after something was expanded, it checks for macros again
< 1222806632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then think about a crazy quoting scheme
< 1222806638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and commands which do illogical things
< 1222806640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get m4
< 1222806677 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea: Modified brainfuck: [] is only a if construction and the code tape is an endless loop. Maybe it is also possible to remove the recursion of [] so only a single if(0)goto next if instructions remains...
< 1222806678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, m4 has built-in commands to change its own syntax, which people normally end up using
< 1222806698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oc2k1: I think that one's been had before
< 1222806722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oc2k1: Hm.
< 1222806723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you like, take a look at http://code.eso-std.org/c-intercal/pit/sort.i
< 1222806723 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that TC?
< 1222806729 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you cycle the code.
< 1222806734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's INTERCAL not Brainfuck
< 1222806735 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycling =
< 1222806736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the same idea
< 1222806746 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,],[.
< 1222806749 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be an echo program
< 1222806750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing but nested computed ABSTAINs and a loop enclosing the program
< 1222806752 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a cyclic brainfuck
< 1222806769 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,. would be an echo program
< 1222806774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oc2k1: yeah
< 1222806775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1222806776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have
< 1222806778 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222806778 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1222806779 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1222806783 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oc2k1: you need nested loops
< 1222806784 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in BF
< 1222806786 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for tcness
< 1222806792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: how nested?
< 1222806796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually wondering
< 1222806798 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not sure
< 1222806801 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[....]]
< 1222806805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think dbfi has 4 nested loops
< 1222806805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 2 enough, for instance?
< 1222806810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oc2k1: what
< 1222806812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean like
< 1222806813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it must be at most 4 then
< 1222806815 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[foo[bar]baz]
< 1222806821 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1222806824 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,. doesn't terminate on EOF
< 1222806837 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222806853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[.
< 1222806854 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would work
< 1222806859 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[.,[.,[.,(etc)
< 1222806867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: you created an infinitely nested set of loops there!
< 1222806875 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you bet
< 1222806887 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infinite cyclic brainfuck with []=if echo program is ,[.
< 1222806986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     define(`divert', `ifelse(`$#', `0', ``$0'', `builtin(`$0', $@)')')
< 1222806991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's from the GNU m4 manual
< 1222807000 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be possible to write a BF interpreter with a single loop and if constructions. In that case the nested loops won't be nessesary for turing completenes
< 1222807008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explaining how to define the divert command not to trigger on random occurences of the word divert inside the text you're operating on
< 1222807031 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oc2k1: no
< 1222807033 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't
< 1222807052 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a single, program-wide loop + ifs = not turing complete as far as I know
< 1222807058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with things like infinite nested ifs like ,[.,
< 1222807059 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1222807060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[.
< 1222807066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho:  http://code.eso-std.org/c-intercal/pit/sort.i
< 1222807074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a single, program-wide loop + ifs
< 1222807076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as you wanted
< 1222807082 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, and?
< 1222807091 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can sort.i perform any computation a turing machine can do with unlimited memory?
< 1222807102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe Joris was working on a compiler to compile arbitrary INTERCAL programs into that form
< 1222807129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so you think that cyclic brainfuck where [] = if and no infinite [] stacks is TC?
< 1222807132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know because e sent me a feature request asking me to fix the way ABSTAIN interacted with array dimensioning
< 1222807132 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really, really doubt it
< 1222807138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: so do I
< 1222807153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe not
< 1222807160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the INTERCAL version corresponds to nested []
< 1222807166 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1222807171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there must be some limit to the nesting
< 1222807175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all of them are ifs
< 1222807176 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@m-73.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222807176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not whiles
< 1222807179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a loop surrounding
< 1222807180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read it
< 1222807188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll get some idea of how it works
< 1222807197 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know INTERCAL.
< 1222807203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: it's rather trivial to rewrite a finite state machine as a single loop + ifs.  this gives you the core of a turing machine.
< 1222807212 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course
< 1222807218 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the non-core bit thats hard...
< 1222807231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1222807238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I think you can do it using variables to hold the location in the program
< 1222807241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's right
< 1222807242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it is not the rest is just the infinite tape
< 1222807248 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1222807261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you have a BF tape with every other cell empty
< 1222807270 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's easy to simulate this language with regular BF...
< 1222807274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use the distance from the pointer to the "empty" cell set to 1
< 1222807281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to record where in the program you are
< 1222807283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from there, it's easy
< 1222807284 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wait no
< 1222807287 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to copy
< 1222807288 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1222807305 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone can write a bf interp where [] is forbidden, {} is if, and the program is cyclic...be my guest
< 1222807307 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love to see it
< 1222807314 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1222807316 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bf interp
< 1222807319 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the modified language
< 1222807320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf to that language compiler?
< 1222807331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just compile across a BF interp in BF
< 1222807338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm..  dbfi is BF in BF, is it?
< 1222807339 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222807353 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222807359 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1222807360 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either
< 1222807364 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf -> language compiler
< 1222807367 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a program written in that language
< 1222807369 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that interprets bf
< 1222807375 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ala dbfi
< 1222807401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ofc it's trivial
< 1222807409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the case statement structure I'm inventing for gccbf never loops
< 1222807413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just uses [] as ifs
< 1222807416 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1222807425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just do the program as a case statement in a loop
< 1222807436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or nested case statements if you have more than 256 commands
< 1222807464 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only disadvantage is that looping have to be emulated by running the full program n times
< 1222807556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oc2k1: not really, my case statement is quite optimised
< 1222807567 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1222807650 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but coding could be very hard, because each recursive if state ment hast to be emulated  by non recursive ones
< 1222807663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're allowing any number of nested ifs
< 1222807670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not whiles apart from around the whole program
< 1222807726 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that requires a stack counter ... waste of hard/software
< 1222807754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1222807756 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoop de doo?
< 1222807758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't
< 1222807761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a program counter
< 1222807763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly a waste at all
< 1222807766 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ais523 is right
< 1222807770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically the switch in a loop paradigm
< 1222807788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be used in any language, more or less, to convert the program into ifs surrounded by a loop
< 1222807793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even brainfuck
< 1222807799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not Malbolge, though
< 1222807851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	PLEASE DO .6<-"&!8$.5'"~'#0$#65535' DO .8<-"?!8$.5'"~'#0$#65535' DO .5<-!6$#0'~"#32767$#1" DO .7<-'V.7$".6~#32768"'~"#0$#65535"
< 1222807856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up writing that 16 times
< 1222807861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unrolled loop to do addition
< 1222807877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was easier and faster than figuring out how to localise the addition loop amongst the rest of the program...
< 1222807890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc (1)DOCOMEFROM".2~.2"~#1WHILE:1<-"'?.1$.2'~'"':1/.1$.2'~#0"$#65535'"$"'"'&.1$.2'~'#0$#65535'"$#0'~#32767$#1" is shorter
< 1222807903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that has a loop in so isn't allowed in the TRY AGAIN paradigm
< 1222807916 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1600/2h6yet5bk6.jpg
< 1222807926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: what's that?
< 1222807941 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: amusing.
< 1222807951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, the above is actually a golfed version to get it into the Slashdot sig limits
< 1222807952 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i explained it to you i'd have to transcript the whole image
< 1222807962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I just noticed its possible to save one character
< 1222807964 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it wouldn't be as funny :-P
< 1222807971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc (1)DOCOMEFROM!2~.2'~#1WHILE:1<-"'?.1$.2'~'"':1/.1$.2'~#0"$#65535'"$"'"'&.1$.2'~'#0$#65535'"$#0'~#32767$#1" is shorter
< 1222808013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is annoyed that tusho doesn't know how to read INTERCAL
< 1222808024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL is one of the easier esolangs to read someone else's program in...
< 1222808039 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, yea right
< 1222808045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, honestly
< 1222808047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: agreed?
< 1222808093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should add INTERCAL to anagolf
< 1222808117 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :golf is dead, long die golf
< 1222808128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't
< 1222808132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anagolf is still going
< 1222808140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and codegolf even added a new problem a few months ago
< 1222808142 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but slowly
< 1222808149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which given the speed codegolf goes at is lightning-fast
< 1222808203 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the codegolf stuff is just too difficult
< 1222808212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't, really
< 1222808215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just harder than anagold
< 1222808217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anagolf
< 1222808223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the individual programs are hard to right
< 1222808228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*write
< 1222808231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hard to write golfily
< 1222808247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m going to make the bold promise that we’ll have a new challenge next Friday, but I’ve said that before so we’ll see if it actually happens!
< 1222808247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[next post]
< 1222808247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it only seems like 236 yesterdays ago when we added the Tower of Hanoi challenge!
< 1222808253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ codegolf.com in a nutshell
< 1222808329 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222808370 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.blue.sky.or.jp/grass/
< 1222808378 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(has english docs scroll down)
< 1222808403 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006-2007... how did we not find out about this?!
< 1222808446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did
< 1222808451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember it from somewhere
< 1222808466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly there
< 1222808474 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Grass
< 1222808477 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1222808483 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks interesting
< 1222808551 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-16-118.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222808595 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222808640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh... Perl needs zip as an operator
< 1222808695 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy:
< 1222808710 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222808713 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, not as easy as i was thinking
< 1222808715 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because perl sucks
< 1222808717 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1222808758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sierpinsky carpet anagolf challenge is the first time I've seen an anagolf challenge and thought "hmm, that would be easy in Matlab"
< 1222808769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhahaha
< 1222809093 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1222809138 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That machine would have a problem: I't impossible to  init the memory, but if the memory is et to valid values it may work
< 1222809364 0 :slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-16-118.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222809376 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1222809383 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you guys call a name vs human readable name
< 1222809385 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is
< 1222809394 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name='FooBarBAZINATOR!', ???='foobarbazinator'
< 1222809403 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name='Oh Em Gee', ???='oh_em_gee'
< 1222809410 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222809448 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking 'id'
< 1222809463 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. superego
< 1222809470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har
< 1222809561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :identifier
< 1222809595 0 :slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222809601 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-16-118.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222809611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aka...id
< 1222809652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: also known as ... identifier
< 1222809669 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1222809694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you taking things seriously again?
< 1222809867 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1222809919 0 :ais523_!i=93bc93ac@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8b29dff8f02e74c0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222809919 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1222809941 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my Internet connection is malfunctioning badly...
< 1222809945 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone see this?
< 1222809963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN YOU HEAR ME?????
< 1222809968 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: did you get my email? I sent you one to see if my email was working
< 1222809973 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1222809975 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1222809981 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why no bouncer?!
< 1222809988 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously this connection works
< 1222809990 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just very slowly
< 1222809994 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1222810000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time dilation is a bitch
< 1222810003 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: my laptop's connecting to the router fine
< 1222810009 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the router itself seems to have dropped off the internet
< 1222810011 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: no email from you
< 1222810018 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't even ping Google
< 1222810020 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oh dear
< 1222810022 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, are you on a different computer then?
< 1222810066 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222810068 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a Windows computer
< 1222810070 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm on Mibbit
< 1222810071 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on IE
< 1222810087 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't even work on "FrontMotion Firefox", whatever that is
< 1222810095 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Help|About says it's Mozilla Firefox
< 1222810122 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.frontmotion.com/Firefox/fmfirefox.htm
< 1222810126 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be for mass deployment
< 1222810191 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I sent you another email, or tried ti
< 1222810193 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to
< 1222810197 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get either?
< 1222810204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall check.
< 1222810221 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: No.
< 1222810240 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr
< 1222810244 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"let's go pen" -- you
< 1222810245 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obviously this works
< 1222810245 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut
< 1222810251 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: reference to the Fight Arena
< 1222810256 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was before my connection went mad
< 1222810419 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is bad
< 1222810423 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I can't leave this room
< 1222810429 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, not if I want to be able to get back in again
< 1222810436 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they announced that they fixed the door
< 1222810443 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course at that moment it stopped working altogether
< 1222810449 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily there were some people in the room at the time
< 1222810455 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it opens from the inside
< 1222810458 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm the last one left
< 1222810468 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so once I leave the room there'll be nobody here, and no way to get back in
< 1222810535 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, obviously there can't be such a thing as a Web-based ssh client
< 1222810598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls nvg had one at one point
< 1222810610 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't be very secure...
< 1222810612 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for connecting to nvg though
< 1222810691 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1222810691 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1222810691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only connect to http ports?
< 1222810697 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1222810705 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my main laptop connects to the router but not beyond that
< 1222810716 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, it can't do DNS queries
< 1222810725 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if I enter IPs the data seems to go to /dev/null
< 1222810751 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this computer can connect to the Web, but not to the UNIX system I sometimes use here
< 1222810751 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they taught us what /dev/null is today at the university.
< 1222810761 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has no useful programs on for Internet stuff other than ping
< 1222810766 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I can't install software on it
< 1222810810 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... this thing has telnet on
< 1222810815 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not ssh
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< 1222810863 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: could you set up telnet on eso-std.org, or is that too insecure, do you think?
< 1222810872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too insecure
< 1222810876 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222810877 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be sending your pwd in the plain...
< 1222810878 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so
< 1222810880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls nvg disabled telnet years ago
< 1222810900 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1222810903 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telnet became obsolete in 1995. :-P
< 1222810917 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, so did Windows then
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< 1222810937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows was obsolete before it came out.
< 1222810944 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I think I will risk leaving this room
< 1222810953 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I'll go to a completely separate lab that's open until midnight
< 1222810954 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you in a while
< 1222810955 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1222810970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous last words
< 1222810986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows was obsolete before it came out: Apple Lisa (then Macintosh)
< 1222810989 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other unices too
< 1222810993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt they'd be too nice as a desktop OS
< 1222810999 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x11 is painful enough today...
< 1222811014 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, by other unices i mean non-linux ones
< 1222811017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the lack of linux then
< 1222811033 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also..
< 1222811033 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amiga
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< 1222811291 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1222811295 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | (9:09:13 PM) zmnszctzs: i dont think it runs out of possibilities it has a mapping to train maybe you see the fragments will need to perfect that is the sentence
< 1222811513 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zmnszctzs, that was one helluva nick
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< 1222811522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a bot
< 1222811526 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait
< 1222811527 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its oklopod's bot
< 1222811528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt it
< 1222811543 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1222811553 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite.
< 1222811575 0 :oklopod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna fuck off now, if you know what i mean (you don't, btw.) ->
< 1222811595 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1222811678 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Still alive?
< 1222811678 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the whole point of the at command: telling the parser where the pointer ends up
< 1222811687 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Right, right, just checking.
< 1222811687 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: interface and behavior, that is
< 1222811823 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1222812464 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1222813286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1222814013 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1222814031 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is taking his time
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