< 1224547782 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1224548126 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1224550151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1224551001 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-23-187.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224552089 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1224552280 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1224553876 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuyqwe@bas2-toronto47-1279282763.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1224554424 0 :cathyal!n=cathy@unaffiliated/cathyal JOIN :#esoteric < 1224554454 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1224556256 0 :cathyal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1224558428 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ;) < 1224558874 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1224558874 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | there's so much room for experimental error there < 1224559224 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-23-187.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224559699 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-142-205.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1224560053 0 :ENKI-][!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1224560447 0 :ENKI-][!n=weechat@c-71-234-190-248.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1224560470 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-71-246-5-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1224560731 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1224561426 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-142-205.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1224562849 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-252-1-48-150.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224563686 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1224565208 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know how to set the storage offset in funge 93? < 1224565235 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it x y value "p" ? < 1224565279 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Funge-98, each IP has an additional vector property called the storage offset. Initially this vector is the set to the origin. As such, it works to emulate Befunge-93. The arguments to g and p are the same, but instead of pointing to absolute locations in Funge-Space, they reference a cell relative to the storage offset. " < 1224565301 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1224565310 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge-93 does not have a storage offset < 1224565326 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as long as the offset is 0 in funge-98, it works just like befunge-93 < 1224565346 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant 98 sorry < 1224565348 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 93 < 1224565355 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no idea < 1224565658 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ can set it, but not to an arbitrary value < 1224565760 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was also a dynamic fingerprint spec from Jeffrey Lee that allowed setting the haunted IP's storage offset, but I don't think that spec is implemented) < 1224566310 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1224567647 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1224568301 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1224568521 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-48-150.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224569450 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1224569607 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1224571293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0{02-u0} sets the storage offset. < 1224571367 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, with a $$ afterwards to get rid of the actual storage offset. < 1224571619 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1224571715 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1224572631 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1224573158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1224573173 0 :oklocod!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1224573399 0 :blah!n=bob@adsl-155-100-173.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1224573414 0 :blah!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1224573427 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1224573457 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!n=bob@adsl-155-100-173.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1224573727 0 :omniscient_idiot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1224575999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1224576000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1224577333 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1224579439 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1224580028 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | *show < 1224580394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed < 1224580401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, so easy enough to set < 1224580981 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1224581011 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1224582669 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1224585042 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1224585115 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1224585217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1224586560 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fyugyof druyoögh < 1224587181 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1224587208 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1224587361 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1224587386 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1224588014 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-145-206-252.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1224588072 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-48-150.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224591267 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1224592290 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1224593054 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1224593497 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi optbot < 1224593497 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: really? It looks nice? < 1224593504 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it sure does < 1224593507 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i like you, optbot < 1224593508 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: TinyWM. < 1224593524 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, it's pretty tiny < 1224593529 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not all about the size, oklocod < 1224593530 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1224593531 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot < 1224593532 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: I like your new website, but the articles are all missing. I remember reading about ESO OS, and now...? < 1224593549 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: you must be confusing me with someone else < 1224593550 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: Get all the latest offers on chocolate bar accessories! < 1224593560 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1224593687 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: How's life? < 1224593688 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: And besides... < 1224593696 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Useful response. < 1224593696 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I don't think I should really include the VARG() variations < 1224593708 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: You have no intelligence at all, do you? < 1224593709 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i don't think it's bread < 1224593716 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well spoken. < 1224594075 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Your HEAD is full of BREAD. < 1224594076 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (I'd really like to pick up keigo a bit, though. . . That looks interesting, moderately difficult, yet worthwhile) < 1224594525 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: language design job where what tell all that is not secret < 1224594544 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope that made as much sense it was intended to make. < 1224594550 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ass it < 1224594579 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was intended to make no sense whatsoever, then it did. < 1224594584 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1224594585 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1224594595 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a professional language designer nowadays, huh? < 1224594614 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm a grad student, but that does mean that I'm paid to do language research, yeah. < 1224594639 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1224594639 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1224594660 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you tell more details < 1224594676 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, what are you researching, or just something general you can't put it into words < 1224594676 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On ... what? < 1224594705 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, I'm a first year first semester, so whatever I fall into, but right now I'm working on a team designing an extensible language < 1224594706 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1224594756 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be enough to silence my curiosity for now < 1224594793 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a joint research project with IBM so I may not be able to say more. < 1224594903 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1224594909 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just i liked plof :-P < 1224594916 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof is by no means dead. < 1224594932 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that i meant, i'm interested in what you cook up. < 1224594937 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1224594955 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm sure I'll be in here bragging about any publications, but that probably won't happen 'til next year or so :P < 1224594969 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe :P < 1224595035 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, if ibm's involved, i'm pretty sure you'd know if you weren't allowed to say anything < 1224595063 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by that i don't mean "come on, tell me more", just general wonderingnessment. < 1224595111 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, google made me swear not to tell even though i'm basically just clicking "spam/not spam" buttons for them. < 1224597566 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1224599180 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol < 1224599186 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you on zbb????? < 1224599213 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you ask? < 1224599301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot < 1224599301 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Strangely the "%d" gets replaced by nothing whatsoever. < 1224599307 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone recently started a thread on that "why did you bring that book ..." sentence up < 1224599313 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/up// XD < 1224599330 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im off. class. mandarin. :D < 1224599337 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zajian < 1224599341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't me, and i haven't seen tha < 1224599343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1224599352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've been randomly browsing zbb < 1224599359 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1224599375 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill tell you how i think movement parsing should go, just not now < 1224599376 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kbye < 1224599389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya < 1224601628 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | h or H - say "Hello World" < 1224603614 0 :Nawak!i=UserID@88.82.50.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1224603627 0 :Nawak!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1224603684 0 :Nawak!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1224604176 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1224605710 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-57-180.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224607305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm idea for another fingerprint: Fungespace Query Language < 1224607305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1224607328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Deewiant ^ < 1224607343 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Why is your ident "jewbutt"? < 1224607375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I got a good idea for how to *represent* semaphores in ATHR < 1224607378 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1224607394 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1224607438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it uses a library-metaphor for mutexes, just making the library have several copies of the same book in stock < 1224607447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however implementing this would be complex for me < 1224607467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I need to write my own lock server then, and that would need to handle distributed stuff < 1224607469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1224607499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh another problem: Funge-Space bounds updates < 1224607746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks about natural language parsing
< 1224607760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSQL sounds awesome < 1224607783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FS? FQL < 1224607786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i could parse "the karma of the person who said 'indeed'" < 1224607790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fungespace < 1224607791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=fs < 1224607792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1224607797 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@user-89-108-235-210.mobile.playmobile.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1224607798 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOO! < 1224607799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"karma of person who said 'indeed'" < 1224607804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> "karma of (person said "indeed")" < 1224607808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah it does sound great < 1224607812 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone remembers my TaxiBot project? < 1224607821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gave it up yes < 1224607824 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, i'm not going back to work on it < 1224607825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> select ?person, ?karma where { ?person :said "indeed" . ?person :karma ?karma . } < 1224607828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely i could parse that, < 1224607828 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i planned to make a Taxi-like languagwe < 1224607829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1224607830 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :language < 1224607832 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but different < 1224607834 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :called Bus < 1224607851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1224607854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma of (person said "indeed") < 1224607854 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, there's a set of buses running different trails (which you set at the beginning of the program), max buses amount is 10. < 1224607856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1224607867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v1 = person said "indeed" < 1224607870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v2 = karma of person < 1224607871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1224607874 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can set commands to a different bus, but you can't move something from one bus to another, you must use a standing point < 1224607874 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why is "person" the referent in (person said "indeed"), and not, say, "indeed"? < 1224607878 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which there will be, plenty < 1224607879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?person said "indeed" < 1224607882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?karma of ?person < 1224607886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1224607899 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every bus will be a FIFO stack < 1224607899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :select ?person, ?karma where { ?person :said "indeed" . ?person :karma ?karma . } < 1224607903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because "indeed" is a quoted string. < 1224607906 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a limit of 15 < 1224607914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, Fungespace Query Language < 1224607918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: elaborate < 1224607920 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ehird, what's the language? < 1224607925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, what do you mean < 1224607928 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's FQL? < 1224607934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Trying to parse restricted English into SPARQL. < 1224607938 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the person said "indeed", which is a funny word < 1224607945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and? < 1224607949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(person said "indeed") is a funny word < 1224607958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm did I miss something had you on ignore still there < 1224607958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1224607961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you say: < 1224607961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1224607967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would look like this: < 1224607968 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here, "indeed" is the referent < 1224607970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the karma of the person who said "indeed" < 1224607980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: phrase it in the other interpretation, i'll tell you how it parses down < 1224608003 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1224608004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phrase what in the other interpretation < 1224608016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the "karma of indeed" thing < 1224608017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1224608019 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether should i make an ircREGbotXY < 1224608023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phrase it in the full english < 1224608023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like my < 1224608027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the karma of the person who said "indeD" < 1224608029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X > 2 & X < 5 & (Y > 5 | Y < 3)" < 1224608033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0"X > 2 & X < 5 & (Y > 5 | Y < 3)"S < 1224608034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1224608043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it would actually be reversed < 1224608046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the karma of the "indeed" said by a person < 1224608049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it would be a 0"gnirts" < 1224608077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no < 1224608081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: -> karma of ("indeed" said by person) < 1224608082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should use prefix notation < 1224608118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so the *position* inside the parens was what made "person" the referent < 1224608120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0"(& (> X 2) (< X 5) (| (> Y 5) (< Y 3)))"S < 1224608126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: uhh, yeah... < 1224608137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but again reversed of course < 1224608143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevertheless, i have no idea what you're talking about :P < 1224608156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone: what do you think? < 1224608169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm trying to make it so that you'll be able to: < 1224608174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :botte, what is the karma of the person who said "indeed"? < 1224608179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll reply like < 1224608181 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, is REGXY a good esolang? < 1224608184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1224608186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : person=ehird, karma=-454 < 1224608190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : person=oklopol, karma=3478234234 < 1224608190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0"(& (> X 2) (< X 5) (| (> Y 5) (< Y 3)))"S to return a list of (top of stack first) Count,X,Y,Value,X,Y,Value < 1224608196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : person=botte, karma=STACK OVERFLOW < 1224608205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so total cell count 3 * Count + 1 (for count itself) < 1224608210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming befunge < 1224608210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "said", here, refers to a complete line, actually < 1224608215 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about my karma < 1224608223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait, that wouldn't work for more than trefunge < 1224608228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since Z... < 1224608229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: So low it overflow. :P < 1224608229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1224608231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That rhymes. < 1224608246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the karma of the person for whom it's true that e happened to say "indeed" at some point < 1224608251 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So low it overflows, for the good of water flows. < 1224608262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X=$1 Y=$2 Z=$3 and so on < 1224608266 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... That didn't make any sense, but it RHYMES! < 1224608268 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1224608270 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Rhyme esolang! < 1224608279 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1224608280 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not < 1224608305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhymesssss! < 1224608318 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One problem with REGXY < 1224608320 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no I/O < 1224608350 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except if we modify either regular expressions or add a command. < 1224608362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what is the karma of the person for whom it's true that e happened to say "indeed" at some point < 1224608367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this point botte says "go fuck yourself". < 1224608430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? is it liek stuppid < 1224608442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my INTERNET IS NOT working :< < 1224608450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you could just say "what's the karma of the person who said 'indeed'" < 1224608451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1224608480 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RWLR -> RLWR... Read Left, Write Right... hmm... < 1224608550 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An useless language. ^ - input a char, put it in the current cell, and move left. If you're at 0, move to the end of the cell memory. AND v - Write the current cell, and move right. If you're at the end of the cell memory, move to 0. THIS IS USELESS!!! < 1224608565 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^vv - a simple CAT one char program < 1224608568 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically < 1224608571 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You say "a" < 1224608579 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it outputs \0 a < 1224608580 0 :M0ny!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-125-31.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224608600 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Write/Output < 1224608610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: yeah sounds pretty useless < 1224608610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: here is my current stoopid parser thingy < 1224608611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parser = ( < 1224608611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ('the ?', lambda x: x), < 1224608611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ('? of ?', lambda x, y: Of(x, y)), < 1224608611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1224608660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nice < 1224608662 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aggg no terminals. < 1224608687 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop < 1224608699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "? of ?" is pretty useful :P < 1224608705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: whaddya mean :-p < 1224608708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a of b and c of d < 1224608711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm what happened to ais523? Got any idea why the bouncer isn't connected? < 1224608716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(a, b and c of d) < 1224608718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Of < 1224608731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: FOR FUCKS SAKE AIS523 IS NOT YOUR PERSONAL IRC-BUDDY < 1224608737 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1224608737 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev bf rot13 hi rev2 fib wc ul ctcp oko cho choo < 1224608738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF THE BOUNCER ISN'T CONNECTED THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S DOING SOMETHING ELSE, OKAY? < 1224608740 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1224608744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeeeez < 1224608745 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's CTCP, OKO, CHO and CHOO < 1224608747 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show ctcp < 1224608747 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+.,[.,]+. < 1224608749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what about it < 1224608750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when did I claim he was? < 1224608752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, ais is mine < 1224608752 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show oko < 1224608752 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[>[.>]<[<]>] < 1224608754 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show cho < 1224608754 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1224608755 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show choo < 1224608755 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]+32[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1224608760 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho wtf? < 1224608760 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf?tf?f?? < 1224608760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINE < 1224608762 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo wtf? < 1224608763 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? tf? f? ? < 1224608766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: When you implied that ais523 doing something than being on irc is a total anomaly. < 1224608770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :choo choo choo < 1224608773 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ctcp choo < 1224608785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 'a of b and c of d' would be: < 1224608791 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ctcp I SEE NEW COMMANDS WERE ADDED. < 1224608792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, usually the bouncer is still connected. But that wasn't the case < 1224608799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: And(Of(a,b), Of(c,d)) < 1224608808 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ctcp rocks ... I SEE NEW COMMANDS WERE ADDED. < 1224608810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and why exactly would it be that? < 1224608811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because he /parted here when psygnisfive was talking about sex. < 1224608813 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^oko lol < 1224608813 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololo ... < 1224608815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why wouldn't it be? < 1224608820 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^oko asiekierka < 1224608820 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierkasiekierka ... < 1224608821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah < 1224608848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because it could just as well be < 1224608856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: could just as well be what < 1224608858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of(a, And(b, Of(c, d))) < 1224608864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1224608866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could < 1224608871 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a esolang < 1224608875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's why there's precedence < 1224608882 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I added cho and choo (they used to be called echochohoo and echo_cho_ho_o) back today. < 1224608887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :precedance < 1224608903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho cho < 1224608903 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chohoo < 1224608906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: stuff higher up the parser list gets chosen first. < 1224608908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo choo < 1224608908 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :choo hoo oo o < 1224608919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm ATHR will have issues for y, basically the bounds will be async updated. < 1224608930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: err what? < 1224608936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what < 1224608948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"higher up the parser list" < 1224608952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what that means < 1224608954 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, I personally don't really care much what 'y' says. < 1224608955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: < 1224608956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parser = ( < 1224608956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ('the ?', lambda x: x), < 1224608956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ('? and ?', And), < 1224608956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ('? of ?', Of), < 1224608958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1224608961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1224608962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff coming first gets changed first. < 1224608965 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that parser list. < 1224608965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chosen < 1224608970 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1224608976 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cat program looks like: < 1224608977 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ < 1224608983 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ < 1224608992 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a space between _ and $ though < 1224608999 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's bit-based < 1224609026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well issue is that you have to select at command line if you want ATHR support, there is no way to not make this utterly slow or async, And since async when ATHR isn't loaded would mess up with mycology... Well. < 1224609045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: s/well issue/the issue/ < 1224609057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "well," too < 1224609063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1224609065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the issue < 1224609069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1224609075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/to not/not to/ < 1224609080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/issue/tissue/ < 1224609089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I got an idea for semaphores: The library may have more than one copy of some books in stock. < 1224609090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/the/mother/ < 1224609094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: s/got/have/ < 1224609103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok... < 1224609117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that could be a literal "got" < 1224609117 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has control flow by... walls. Somehow < 1224609128 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you got the idea yesterday or something < 1224609150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, a 2D language where the IP reflects according to the law of physics? < 1224609167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some way to make it have a non-trivial speed, direction and so on < 1224609170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 'i thought of an idea' < 1224609186 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/5F9sTk22.html < 1224609188 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"befunge on reals", does that sound enough like "ruby on rails" to be a pun? < 1224609195 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dots = Bits < 1224609195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it doesn't < 1224609195 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1224609201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, and all cells it intersects with on the way... Well those it will execute the instruction in < 1224609215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if that isn't what you thought it is a nice idea < 1224609222 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1224609228 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing i linked to on rafb? < 1224609251 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOBELA - DOt-Based Esoteric LAnguage, a proposed name < 1224609253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "got" is fine, your mother and your face < 1224609260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, oh naming something cat is a bad idea, since that is the tool used dump files to the terminal on *nix. Like type in cmd.exe (if you use windows) < 1224609277 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't name anything "cat" < 1224609281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : A cat program looks like: < 1224609282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you did < 1224609287 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1224609288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... idiot < 1224609290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1224609290 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it works like CAT < 1224609296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he implemented cat in that language < 1224609301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah < 1224609302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1224609305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread it then < 1224609308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1224609314 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The example in rafb is a oversized version of "cat", just to show all of it's features :) < 1224609316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pretty common esolang terminology < 1224609317 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1224609321 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang's features < 1224609325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah < 1224609327 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to add? < 1224609335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew what a cat program was before knowing the util < 1224609350 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dots rotate when HITTING a wall, of course. < 1224609358 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my language calls bits "dots". Huh, weird. < 1224609368 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they do look like dots, but that's another problem < 1224609371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, I think you need mirrors < 1224609374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than walls < 1224609378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ and / < 1224609381 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're mirrors actually < 1224609385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as _ and | < 1224609387 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they move based on the dot < 1224609393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, well "90 degrees" hm :/ < 1224609394 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's not meant to be ADVANCED < 1224609404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, what if dots collide? < 1224609426 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... Well, thanks for telling me that, i think they start moving in a reverse direction < 1224609447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, I think 0 and 1 colliding should destroy each other < 1224609454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the particle and the anti-particle < 1224609456 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1224609466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, 1 and 1 or 0 and 0 I'm not sure about < 1224609483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe you want to follow electromagnetic rules? < 1224609492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 1 and 1 attach to each other creating a wall? < 1224609502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0 and 1 reflects < 1224609512 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 and 1 colliding will destroy each other < 1224609513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 and 0 would also create a wall that way < 1224609516 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1224609517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1224609522 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where should it be placed then?> < 1224609526 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the left side < 1224609526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, no doesn't work if they destroy each other < 1224609528 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the right side < 1224609532 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reflects, as in < 1224609536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, or below/above? < 1224609542 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they move in reverse directions? < 1224609545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how < 1224609546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1224609557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, no I think the wall should be between those cells :D < 1224609569 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if they collide ,. < 1224609571 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not , . < 1224609593 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it'll be like: , . | , . OR , . | ,. < 1224609600 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we must handle BOTH exceptions < 1224609618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, also those the wall need a charge. So if you have a 2x0 and it it with an 1 you get a 0 particle going in the opposite direction of the 1 < 1224609620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1224609634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you have: < 1224609643 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is getting... CONFUSING! < 1224609645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> . . <- < 1224609646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1224609651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> . . <- < 1224609652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1224609657 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just speed it up < 1224609657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they hit < 1224609658 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall we? < 1224609663 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1224609664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: /msg < 1224609664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> .. <- < 1224609668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> ** <- < 1224609668 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1224609672 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm < 1224609672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> | <- < 1224609673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1224609675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should < 1224609678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be between < 1224609679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those * < 1224609684 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1224609692 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if they collide . . it's created inbetween < 1224609695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, not in either cell, just between < 1224609702 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, , is the same < 1224609708 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,, creates something like "| " < 1224609712 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and .. does " |" < 1224609713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, no < 1224609714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1224609715 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| is a wall < 1224609715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creates < 1224609717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wall < 1224609720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between those dots < 1224609721 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE? < 1224609723 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no BETWEEN < 1224609726 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these dots < 1224609734 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 char = 1 thing to be in it < 1224609737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, you are using integer coordinates? < 1224609738 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 1 char = half a thing to be in it < 1224609746 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It all happens on the same ascii map < 1224609747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh < 1224609751 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they must move just like in ASCII < 1224609752 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1224609765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok anyway this made me get an idea for another language < 1224609774 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1224609776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically your instruction pointer is a photon < 1224609779 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting my own behavior then < 1224609781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that enters the box < 1224609797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will bounce on all walls as if they were mirrors < 1224609811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1224609820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the space is filled with some instructions < 1224609832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so each instruction that it illuminates,,, is executed < 1224609852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will allow non-trivial angles for bouncing < 1224609863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it needs a proper intersection test < 1224609871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, what do you think of this idea? < 1224609884 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1224609890 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't have physics at school YET < 1224609900 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor i wouldn't have for another year < 1224609901 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so < 1224609901 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1224609912 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/GKrMDk84.html - DOBILA (sorry for the misspell) docs v.2 < 1224609917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, the input angle to the normal is the same as the output angle, except at the opposite side < 1224609940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: < 1224609940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ / < 1224609940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ / < 1224609940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \/ < 1224609940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :------ < 1224609954 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So i added an instruction, EXCEPTIONS and the uncommented example < 1224609965 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see how it'd look like in a normal text file < 1224609973 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and any other chars are ignored, treated like space. < 1224609988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, there is an alignment error in your paste < 1224609995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the uncommented example < 1224609997 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W/where? < 1224610000 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1224610001 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1224610002 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1224610008 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any other fixes? < 1224610009 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ideas? < 1224610020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"$ - Takes up dots. When it gets 8 of dots, it outputs chars based on them, in FIFO." < 1224610028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this implies each $ is separate < 1224610035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have it's own fifo < 1224610042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the example isn't cat < 1224610045 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1224610058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, also in the commented example you got a timing issue < 1224610068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 1 and 0 wouldn't reach their $ at the same time < 1224610075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the path is longer for 1 < 1224610154 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only example i wouldn't "explain", and leave it for the interpreters, is that how _ outputs dots < 1224610158 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1224610160 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free < 1224610162 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1224610163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, another idea: have = accelerate the dots to double its current speed if particle enter horizontally, and have it decelerate to half the speed if the dots enter vertically < 1224610163 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong paste < 1224610176 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1224610180 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 commands is enough < 1224610181 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/4h4AbP70.html < 1224610191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, how do you do flow control? < 1224610193 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it NOW < 1224610203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, since that is trivially non-turing complete < 1224610208 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make it TC then < 1224610227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you need 1) flow control and 2) storage I think < 1224610233 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storage is the dots < 1224610248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, how can you store one in a "variable" to retrieve it later? < 1224610249 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You store them while they move < 1224610265 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make a command to retrieve a dot from the FIFO < 1224610278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't help as the fifo is limited in size < 1224610308 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh! < 1224610313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, anyway all you can do with # is to sort dots. < 1224610319 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1224610320 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea < 1224610373 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh < 1224610375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, ideas that may help: 1) something to flip a 0 to a 1 and vice versa. 2) have some sort of wall that when it is hit from one direction changes the way 0 and 1 reflects (for left/right) < 1224610375 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it fails < 1224610378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those could help < 1224610385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for flow control < 1224610389 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) would be enough i think < 1224610389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for memory < 1224610402 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you can flip once < 1224610407 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then flip just at the output time < 1224610424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, also for .. note they only destroy each other if traveling in opposite directions < 1224610426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they collide < 1224610438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can't have two directly after each other traveling same way < 1224610443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one traveling up and the other down < 1224610458 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have infinite space. < 1224610463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, yes and? < 1224610466 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And i'm removing "_". Its behavior was too confusing. < 1224610472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get input really fast < 1224610482 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's behavior wasn't defined < 1224610486 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1224610491 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What command should i remove < 1224610494 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from # , . $ " _ < 1224610498 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or none, even < 1224610555 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1224610556 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1224610559 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# , . can't be removed < 1224610561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, anyway you need something so that one 1 or 0 can affect another one, like | if hit from above then it will make everything that hits it horizontally go down, if it is hit from below it will everything that hits it horizontally go up < 1224610564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be useful < 1224610568 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1224610578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to allow a loop that you could retrieve data from < 1224610625 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, transporters < 1224610630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh why? < 1224610637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have flows that cross < 1224610644 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1224610647 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it allows you < 1224610648 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when hit < 1224610653 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to when another dot hits it < 1224610661 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be transported to the other transporter < 1224610669 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, it's ignored, except if \ hit from south < 1224610671 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and / hit from north < 1224610688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I leave it up to you to make it TC :) < 1224610690 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can break loops. < 1224610694 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1224610702 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can only have 2 transporters < 1224610703 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1224610703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, the | I suggested would be able to create a loop < 1224610738 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1224610742 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at 7 commands now < 1224610746 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not fixing the storage < 1224610749 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now* < 1224610758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, I think infinite space could work for that < 1224610768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming the infinite space wraps around < 1224610788 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1224610794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1224610798 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 7 commands, publishing. < 1224610809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, you could use a group of walls to create a storage loop for tos < 1224610811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dots* < 1224610815 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/MXSZBt60.html < 1224610816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :together with | < 1224610817 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here you go < 1224610818 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed storage < 1224610822 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wonder if it's TC now < 1224610826 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1224610837 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When ^ is hit west or east - behavior left! < 1224610845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, How would you generate a dot? < 1224610858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in infinite flow of them < 1224610861 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1224610866 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infinite flow of dots < 1224610873 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have an idea how to make ^ more useful < 1224610890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, also you removed _ but it is still in the example < 1224610891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1224610902 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1224610906 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i removed _? Sorry < 1224610914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems you did < 1224610922 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't meant to do that! < 1224610947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, anyway two dots that are next to each other shouldn't cause a collision unless their paths are intersecting < 1224610972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, as for "The infinite space wraps around." I don't think that actually works < 1224610981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be implementable for dots for a start < 1224610991 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/ApA5d942.html < 1224610996 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1224610998 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v6. < 1224610999 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test THIS < 1224611009 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ can stop/start the ones/zeros generators < 1224611022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, you only need one of ; and : < 1224611022 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at 10 commands so far < 1224611025 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1224611029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you could use = to convert them < 1224611033 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1224611046 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could also make it a different way < 1224611052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, also does = make the dots pass through it ? < 1224611057 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like < 1224611065 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :",= " " =." < 1224611069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1224611074 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And north/south works the same < 1224611079 0 :ais523!n=ais523@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1224611079 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do south/north and east/westy < 1224611080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1224611081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi < 1224611083 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :east/west* < 1224611084 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1224611090 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're projecting my esolang idea < 1224611095 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/ApA5d942.html - so you can catch on < 1224611115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, well I'm far from sure if that is tc or not any longer at least < 1224611121 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-244.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224611131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet ais523 could help you better < 1224611139 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1224611145 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme just finish up :/; < 1224611200 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/RIRUvV41.html < 1224611202 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : v6.5 < 1224611212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the question? < 1224611217 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this language TC < 1224611228 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, in |, i meant Dots, when hitting | north/south, are destroyed. < 1224611230 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1224611235 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this language TC < 1224611238 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, what does it lack < 1224611267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The least point and greatest point as reported by y may also be asynchronously < 1224611267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated. This may be true even if no threads have been created. If that is the < 1224611267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case, the implementation should offer a command line option for supporting ATHR < 1224611267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(async updates), and a sync update mode (using ATHR results in undefined < 1224611267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :behaviour). < 1224611271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ :/ < 1224611282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the only way I can resolve that issue in < 1224611329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: how do you plan to do infinite storage? < 1224611337 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FIFO. < 1224611343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can see, the FIFO holds infinite data < 1224611343 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1224611347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no way to find out what it is < 1224611348 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1224611350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from telling the user < 1224611363 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1224611364 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rright < 1224611368 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right < 1224611374 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't output from the FIFO without I/O... yet < 1224611411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else worked fine so far, but this is really a blocker for me, how to update bounds for funge space so it works for other stuff. < 1224611414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1224611418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Any great idea? < 1224611434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm currently trying to process demands from 5 people at once < 1224611439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and catch up on about 120 emails < 1224611446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :async works fine, but will change stuff even if ATHR isn't loaded < 1224611449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that isn't acceptable < 1224611470 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/mQHMAN57.html < 1224611474 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v7.42 :) < 1224611501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: least and greatest point on y is a very non-Befungy thing for me < 1224611509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, Fungespace is conceptually infinite < 1224611517 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? and? < 1224611517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yet they are in the core spec, mycology tests it. < 1224611518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1224611521 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the new version good < 1224611529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that practically it's finite and dynamically updated is not really relevant < 1224611541 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is DOBELA TC now? < 1224611541 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's so that you can use o to dump the non-empty part of funge-space < 1224611542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the Funge-98 spec says that space needn't be dynamically updated, although it usually is < 1224611552 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1224611565 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ZERO/ONE dots, i meant rotates instead of moves < 1224611604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: my answer now is probably, but I'd have to give it more thought < 1224611611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems reasonable that you could use the FIFO as a Minsky machine < 1224611625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use a different part of your playfield as a finite-state machine to control it < 1224611633 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but? < 1224611635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd have to implement it to be sure < 1224611641 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck. :P < 1224611647 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, we need an interpreter < 1224611655 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i don't know programming THIS WELL to make one < 1224611655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, you code one yes < 1224611669 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dies
< 1224611684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1224611702 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newscaster: IMPORTANT NEWS! Asiekierka died from a heart attack after reading that he codes his interpreter, but he doesn't know dynamic programming! Causer yet unknown. < 1224611717 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know dynamic variables very well < 1224611722 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need an array of a dynamic size < 1224611726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, still I assume you think async updated bounds in y is a bad thing when ATHR isn't loaded? < 1224611736 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each dot holding an X/Y register, and the rotation counter < 1224611740 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And move them in this direction < 1224611746 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have an ASCII map < 1224611755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it is a bad thing anyway... hm < 1224611756 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the generators, it could possibly PWN your memory. < 1224611762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is used for wrapping < 1224611763 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you could just put an : < 1224611765 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and PWNED. < 1224611779 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no, i don't know how to make one < 1224611782 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, no < 1224611782 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, yeah, of course. Something giving wrong results unpredictably is generally not a good thing :-P < 1224611799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, apart from bounds everything worked well so far < 1224611809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to consider bounds some more
< 1224611813 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so you've been lucky :-P < 1224611817 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, anyone willing? < 1224611829 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you can prove it never happens, your program is incorrect < 1224611834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well pretty well, usual amount of typo bugs and such of course. < 1224611842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I could make it sync and slower < 1224611882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, you code it < 1224611884 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/lVf6BV28.html < 1224611885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said already < 1224611889 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i don't know HOW to code it < 1224611890 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1224611896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, SOL then < 1224611900 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOL? < 1224611906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S*** out of luck < 1224611949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, and you want either a hash array or a tree structure < 1224611949 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1224611988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course : could fill memory < 1224612023 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@user-89-108-235-210.mobile.playmobile.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1224612028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, some sort of compare and exchange would work for bounds, except that is non-trivial in erlang < 1224612034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: asiekierka, and you want either a hash array or a tree structure and of course : could fill memory < 1224612040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: filling memory is a user fault < 1224612058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd want some way to discard bits if you don't already have it < 1224612060 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/DOBELA - Working on the Wiki thread < 1224612066 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1224612070 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sending them to v < 1224612079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, and you want to rate limit : to every other cell < 1224612092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, what if you want to destroy without outputting to fifo? < 1224612101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from* < 1224612106 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahem < 1224612106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait < 1224612108 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v: When hit south, destroys the dot. < 1224612113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1224612123 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1224612156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ais523: Another idea I had for another fingerprint: Fungespace Query Language < 1224612161 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1224612220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(& (> $1 2) (< $1 5) (| (> $2 5) (< $2 3)))" Using $1 and $2 instead of x/y for reasons for n-funge for n > 3 < 1224612242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the value v would mean "value of cell is" < 1224612251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like (= v 4) < 1224612283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return a list of (top of stack first) Count,X,Y,...,Value,X,Y,...,Value < 1224612291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ... are any more dimensions needed < 1224612294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1224612295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1224612307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Count,...Y,X,Value,...Y,X,Value < 1224612455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I wonder how insanely slow using a full blown database for fungespace would be < 1224612549 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the categories DOBELA could be assigned to? < 1224612555 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1224612556 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a list < 1224612627 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack-based, Unknown computational class, Two-dimensional languages, Unimplemented... < 1224612629 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything else? < 1224612638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack-based? < 1224612645 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or queue-based? < 1224612648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about that < 1224612648 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1224612673 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1224612674 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1224612675 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1224612692 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queue-based, Unknown computational class, Two-dimensional languages, Unimplemented < 1224612693 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything else < 1224612705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's queue-based and 2D < 1224612708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, year < 1224612709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it a cell automaton? < 1224612710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008, presumably < 1224612712 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008 < 1224612715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not quite < 1224612718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bully-a-lot-one < 1224612720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1224612725 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't need th ecells to be shown < 1224612730 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cells* < 1224612733 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can, though < 1224612737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, nor does RUBE does it? < 1224612743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: cellular automata don't have FIFOs < 1224612745 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1224612749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah right < 1224612751 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ais523 has a good point < 1224612764 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1224612769 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a language, right? < 1224612781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Category:Languages < 1224612785 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And category:2008 < 1224612798 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since i made it... uh... today, right? < 1224612834 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think i should make a hello world, but it's... Too easy! < 1224612841 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1224612844 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't define a thing < 1224612848 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The default direction of the dots! < 1224612850 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1224612855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I had an idea for another language, it could be 2D or 3D and would use a particle, say a photon or something else, that bounced on the perfect mirror walls, and either you would need to trace it's path, seeing what instructions in the room it intersected with to find out what instructions were executed < 1224612857 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By default, they move... east, or south? < 1224612859 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's debate! < 1224612865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, flow control by flippable mirrors < 1224612871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: seen BackFlip? < 1224612881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it will allow non-trivial paths < 1224612889 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: north-northeast! < 1224612890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1224612900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also you would have to consider refraction index of the materials < 1224612903 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have N/S/E/W < 1224612906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and so on < 1224612910 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, as generators make dots that move east < 1224612916 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: West! < 1224612919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however the photon wouldn't be absorbed < 1224612919 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :East! < 1224612924 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll fit to the generators! < 1224612928 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for Hello World to work < 1224612931 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could just make < 1224612932 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :West! So it doesn't fit! < 1224612936 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :East! < 1224612940 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah! < 1224612944 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's meand to be useful, actually < 1224612949 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hello world would be: < 1224612952 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(put an array of dots here) $ < 1224612954 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's all! < 1224612960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what do you think of this idea? < 1224612962 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how you make a Hello, World in my language < 1224612978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: relatively interesting < 1224612984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of distracted atm, though < 1224612986 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's west < 1224612987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it could also be made to have several photons, and have lamps and such < 1224612991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523|busy < 1224612993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and it could be 3D :D < 1224612994 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then $ (stringofdots here) < 1224612995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1224613018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however asiekierka didn't seem to find it interesting at all, which is odd < 1224613080 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since i don't know physics < 1224613085 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i didn't quite understand < 1224613092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, further I think instructions should be possible to place at non-integer coordinates, same for walls, flippable mirrors and such < 1224613109 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you seen Gravity? < 1224613124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, yes, but that uses different parts of physics < 1224613130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unsure how to actually handle the infinite memory < 1224613131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1224613158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, since I want this photon language to be TC < 1224613262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, I think declaring everything as some sort of list of tuples, or maybe in S-Expressions are the only sane way < 1224613263 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-254-104.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1224613266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for file format < 1224613347 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/DOBELA < 1224613349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(additem-simple Type X Y Z) < 1224613354 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here you go, a DOBELA esolang wiki < 1224613357 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki enty < 1224613359 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :entry* < 1224613363 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to add categories < 1224613372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(additem-direction Type X Y Z DirX DirY DirZ) < 1224613394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(additem-volume Type minX minY minZ maxX maxY maxZ) < 1224613401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, maybe something like that? < 1224613408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possible extra parameters in some other way < 1224613411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like colour of lamps < 1224613413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1224613461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just specific (lamp '(x y z) '(x y z) '(r b g) intensity) < 1224613463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1224613472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably in photons per second or such < 1224613478 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, my esolang is text-based, right < 1224613485 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it pattern-based < 1224613498 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1224613500 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :text-based < 1224613503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, patterns would be like regex ones I suspect < 1224613505 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1224613509 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's my language's level < 1224613511 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it low-level < 1224613513 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or high-leel < 1224613515 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :level* < 1224613534 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: computation cannot add new dots < 1224613549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops yeah an issue < 1224613553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will just have the dots you had initially, or less. < 1224613560 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can generate dotas < 1224613561 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dots* < 1224613563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to add some breeding rules < 1224613563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what about the : ? < 1224613564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can? < 1224613566 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and switch whether you do it and you don't < 1224613567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have missed it < 1224613574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: - Generates ones east by default. < 1224613575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1224613578 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can also use = or switch whenever it's zero or one < 1224613579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did miss that < 1224613581 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1224613582 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? < 1224613589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, generate one dots to the east < 1224613589 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It generates ones east < 1224613590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1224613592 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so first it's : < 1224613599 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then :. < 1224613600 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then :... < 1224613602 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1224613603 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::.. < 1224613606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, that doesn't work < 1224613611 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then :... then :.... then :..... < 1224613614 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until it's terminated < 1224613615 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1224613615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it should have a rate of every other turn < 1224613620 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1224613625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, second issue < 1224613629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, since .. is defined as # < 1224613629 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1224613629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1224613631 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this whole things is fully static < 1224613637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot see any computation < 1224613641 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no interaction < 1224613644 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::. then : . then :. . then : . . then :. . . < 1224613648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no changing the environment < 1224613653 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when they collide < 1224613654 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1224613656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ais523 suggested it may be possible to simulate minsky in it < 1224613659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just a few dots going in circles < 1224613661 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->. .<- < 1224613665 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ->..<- < 1224613666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, there is | too < 1224613667 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not when < 1224613669 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1224613675 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the first one is moving up < 1224613677 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the second down < 1224613680 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they COLLIDE < 1224613681 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1224613693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right you fixed that then ais523|busy < 1224613693 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that may mean it is self-modifying < 1224613694 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1224613694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1224613694 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it isn't TC, it's due to lack of working flow control < 1224613695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, ^ < 1224613715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1224613718 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what should i do now < 1224613728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, If I make Photon I need your help I bet working out what is needed < 1224613734 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1224613750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1224613767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| has a state which can be changed by hitting it from a certain direction? < 1224613772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yep < 1224613775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1224613778 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/DOBELA < 1224613780 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed! < 1224613781 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well *that's* computation < 1224613784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I suggested that one as a way to be able to redirect < 1224613795 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1224613801 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it TC, is it not TC... I wonder. < 1224613841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, 1) implement a interpreter for it 2) implement a TC complete language in it < 1224613842 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1224613843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1224613847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TC language* < 1224613884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, anyway what did you think of my Photon language? < 1224613893 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@user-89-108-235-210.mobile.playmobile.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1224613894 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boo! < 1224613897 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did i miss < 1224613898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, 1) implement a interpreter for it 2) implement a TC complete language in it < 1224613906 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1224613906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : err < 1224613906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : TC language* < 1224613916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, well that is your own problem < 1224613925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't expect someone else to do it for you < 1224613925 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1224613934 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a person that can do 1) < 1224613935 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1224613941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not me < 1224613947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have other things to do < 1224613951 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i'll need to wait to thursday < 1224613953 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or friday < 1224613957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like befunge and this Photon language idea I had < 1224613957 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or someone may want to do it < 1224614015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: are you unable to code? < 1224614028 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am able < 1224614035 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't know enough programming to do it < 1224614079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you are unable to code. < 1224614168 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1224614334 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello? < 1224614377 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1224614412 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1224614492 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-254-104.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1224614537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how would you represent the angle of an object in a 3D space. Say a lamp with a position (x, y, z) but what should be used for the angle it is pointing towards? < 1224614555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. A number? < 1224614564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In degrees or radians or something. < 1224614573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, relative what? < 1224614580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1224614583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polar coordinates or something sounds familiar < 1224614586 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a unit vecotr < 1224614588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vector < 1224614612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh? I'm sorry but my 3D maths are kind of rusty (ie, never existed) :( < 1224614630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vector that points to where ever the object is headed < 1224614634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1224614634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is 1 long < 1224614637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right makes sense < 1224614639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1224614656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, would that be same as normalised vector? < 1224614660 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1224614671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just trying to refresh memory there, since that sounds familiar < 1224614709 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, normalized < 1224614719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yeah normalized < 1224614724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with z or s ;P < 1224614728 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normalization is just making the length 1 < 1224614753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any-dimensional vectors < 1224614838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for rate of lamps that emit single photons and have a perfect exit direction (no spread) < 1224614841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Parameters Coordinates, Direction, Wavelength, nanoseconds between each photon < 1224614841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lamp '(x y z) '(x y z) wavelength time) < 1224614843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be sane? < 1224614861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um, make your parameters self-describing < 1224614872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coords direction wave-length (not sure for the last one) < 1224614875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that was just an example, would have numbers there < 1224614882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language < 1224614896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, file format for Photon < 1224614903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I described above < 1224614910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is either that or some sort of tuples < 1224614942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers are either integers or double (at least) < 1224614960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so either scheme-ish S-Expressions < 1224614972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tuples of some type < 1224614995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you add objects, flow control by mirrors that flip when photons hit them < 1224615001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1224615021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :refraction index should be correctly handled for objects too < 1224615040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think this language could be fairly interesting, and ais523|busy said as much above < 1224615041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1224615140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you go over the elements that do the actual computation? < 1224615146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about flippable mirrors < 1224615156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i heard something like that < 1224615164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well flipped by photons < 1224615178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and yes I plan to break the laws of physics if I have to to make it tc < 1224615182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the plan is to make it tc < 1224615187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far from all the details are worked out < 1224615190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a photon hits a certain kind of mirror, and it will rotate? < 1224615193 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Gravity is uncomputable < 1224615196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes < 1224615212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, well I think this one should be computable if you do ray-tracing < 1224615214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that sounds like computation, but it also sounds unprogrammable < 1224615228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hard to program yes < 1224615229 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there gravity? < 1224615239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you mean to act on photons? < 1224615243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My plan was: no < 1224615271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so < 1224615273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that would make it a LOT harder to implement, if not even unimplementable < 1224615285 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes not to mention it would be pointless < 1224615295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, why? < 1224615307 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity should act on the objects but not the photons ;-P < 1224615312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1224615320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, anyway I plan to make it tc and possible to implement, even if messily hard to program in and messily hard to implement < 1224615326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no real reason, just my gut talking < 1224615326 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1224615331 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the photons will catch up until the program's been running so long they're moving at light speed < 1224615339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, haha < 1224615347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The photons travel at the speed of light (for the given material). Since this < 1224615347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is too fast to be able to simulate in real time for current computers running < 1224615347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simulation at a slower speed is allowed." < 1224615352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the draft I'm *trying to write* < 1224615361 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it will be easier or harder to implement than Feather < 1224615395 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think I've figured out how to prevent Feather going into an infinite loop (as opposed to arbitrary loop) when it parses the parser with itself < 1224615415 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make the parser property of an object be the parser it was parsed with < 1224615416 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary loop? < 1224615420 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ^parser is the parser < 1224615424 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's a Feather thing < 1224615431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy: uh, just make it parse the parser with the previous parser < 1224615435 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it's a loop that runs a finite number of times < 1224615436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then parse the parser with the current parser < 1224615440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until oldparser == newparser < 1224615447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. reparse until the parsing stabalizes) < 1224615449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, lamps (single photons at a given rate, with possibly a max count), surfaces (perfect mirrors or perfect absorbers), flippable mirrors, and volumes (transparent, with a given refraction index) < 1224615450 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can retroactively change how many times it ran < 1224615452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else do I need? < 1224615471 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it's effectively an infinite loop that runs in finite time, if you ever find that it didn't run far enough you change your mind about how far it ran < 1224615480 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oldparser will never == newparser, probably < 1224615508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy: i doubt it < 1224615512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy: if you just add some new syntax, but don't use it in the parser, then it'll work immediately < 1224615524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make it parse a certain construct differently < 1224615529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but include a backwards compatibility clause < 1224615532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll immediately stabalize < 1224615536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then remove the backwards-compat clause < 1224615540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since its running on the new parser, it'll work. < 1224615591 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how do you compare functions for equality, again? < 1224615603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, you don't < 1224615606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you compare the parsetree. < 1224615612 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there is no parsetree < 1224615622 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"parser"'s a bit of a misnomer < 1224615628 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a function which maps strings to functions < 1224615633 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like eval < 1224615639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy: well, just do a dumb compare then < 1224615641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for exact equality < 1224615650 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would always fail < 1224615673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy: nope < 1224615675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about it < 1224615679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to add a mega super syntax to the parser < 1224615680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1224615685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i add it, but i also use it in the parser at the same time < 1224615686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1224615695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i write the expanded form in a guard checkign for the old parser version < 1224615705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it runs, uses the expanded form, runs it again, oh, now it uses the non-expanded shortcut < 1224615710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then next time its stable < 1224615714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then you can remove the backwards-compat guard < 1224615716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reparse < 1224615719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll work immediately < 1224615721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila < 1224615759 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#feather is taken, i see < 1224615779 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1224615788 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#feather-lang is the appropriate channel < 1224615799 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah¨ < 1224615809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been there occasionally < 1224615839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, Deewiant, oklopol: http://rafb.net/p/jap3S630.html < 1224615849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comments and suggestions please < 1224615854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same goes for anyone else < 1224615891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably want some form of stdout too, but possibly no stdin < 1224615949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you too please < 1224615957 0 :omniscient_idiot!n=boa@adsl-155-100-173.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1224615977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Make the format something like this: < 1224616016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ lamp location: (X,Y,Z) direction: (X,Y,Z) wavelength: Foo time: Foo count: Foo ] < 1224616017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1224616018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also there shouldn't be a , after time in the s-expression example, that was a typo < 1224616029 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Smalltalk? < 1224616032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is hard to parse, ideally I want something prefix based < 1224616033 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it in prolog too < 1224616035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like scheme < 1224616045 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamp(vector(X,Y,Z),direction(X,Y,Z),Foo,Foo,Foo) < 1224616045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy: Kind of a blend of lisp/smalltalk/n3/prolog. < 1224616047 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS A THING CALLED LAMP < 1224616052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT HAS THIS THING CALLED LOCATION < 1224616052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That is not hard to parse. < 1224616058 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH IS AS FOLLOWS: (x, y, z) < 1224616059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first node is the type of thing < 1224616060 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAZ A LAMP < 1224616062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of KEY: VALUE < 1224616064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple. < 1224616066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, :( < 1224616072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just s-expressions with labels. < 1224616081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1224616087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so lets make that proper < 1224616097 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Prolog is sexp too, but it uses comma not space and the first element is outside the parens < 1224616101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, was scared for a sec there < 1224616106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1224616109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it was asiekierka suggesting the prolog < 1224616114 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Prolog is based on Lisp < 1224616122 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although control flow is very different < 1224616123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy: Hi. I know prolog. < 1224616125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1224616136 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I misinterpreted what the ? was about < 1224616144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, so lets make that proper < 1224616147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, (lamp (list (list location (list X Y Z)) < 1224616148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1224616148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets go pen < 1224616152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that? < 1224616158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, because that is pig ugly and pointless < 1224616160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that isn't finished < 1224616168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so is your format IMO :) < 1224616174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ : : ] < 1224616179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple. Readable. Easily indentable < 1224616197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1224616199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ lamp < 1224616199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : direction: (X,Y,Z) < 1224616200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : foo: blah < 1224616200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : etc: baz ] < 1224616201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll leave format till later < 1224616203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok? < 1224616208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets get on with the rest < 1224616213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I have to? < 1224616248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you could just shut up instead? < 1224616256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Charming. < 1224616257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could contribute to the language < 1224616269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I could talk about things unrelated to that language in #esoteric. < 1224616269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could just ignore me I guess and go on talking format < 1224616278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1224616287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other objects are needed to make it tc < 1224616287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if I wanted to help you with your language before I certainly don't know. < 1224616292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to create storage? < 1224616312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well as I said, lets just leave format till later? ok? < 1224616348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're implying that I want an indepth discussion about it as opposed to merely glancing at it and having one opinion. < 1224616351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no intention to offend you, nor anyone else. < 1224616371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor have I had that before < 1224616382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you even talking about? < 1224616405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you seemed offended at that I wanted to leave file format for later? < 1224616411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry if I misunderstood that < 1224616600 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders about what punctuation and capitalisation for hello world programs is most important
< 1224616609 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original, in K&R, was "hello world" < 1224616613 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't seem very popular < 1224616614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!\n < 1224616625 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the one I see most often < 1224616632 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello World" also seems to be popular < 1224616634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammatically correct, elegant, etc < 1224616635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the standard one < 1224616640 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "Hello World!" is the other one I see from time to time < 1224616644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the , there seems odd to me < 1224616650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least to me < 1224616653 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello, World!" is my favourite < 1224616655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it's valid < 1224616658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? < 1224616666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what does it mean exactly there < 1224616671 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: when talking to someone, often you put their name at the end of the sentence, with a comma < 1224616672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world. < 1224616673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1224616677 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on IRC, I would say < 1224616680 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: are you listening? < 1224616687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yeah that uses : < 1224616689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1224616689 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I met ehird in RL, the English equivalent would be < 1224616694 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you listening, ehird? < 1224616696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1224616697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1224616708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1224616711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, you could start with the name too in English, couldn't you? < 1224616712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy: Addressing me as ehird IRL would be a bit weird. < 1224616714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as it's not easy to pronounce. < 1224616716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1224616754 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is for me < 1224616761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers.
< 1224616766 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's shorter than your real name, anyway < 1224616768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible yes, not that easy though < 1224616798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy: "Elliott" is quicker to say than "ehird", actually. < 1224616799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, xwrt is even shorter, is it easier? < 1224616814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true no vowels < 1224616839 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ehird is just pronounced as "e heard", or that's how I pronounce it mentally < 1224616842 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty easy to say < 1224616842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rwyt maybe? < 1224616863 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I've got good at it from thinking it so often < 1224616867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, saying a lone "e" isn't all that easy < 1224616885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy: i generally don't think your name as it takes ages to pronounce < 1224616885 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1224616892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, not in front of h < 1224616895 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I think it even though it takes ages to pronounce < 1224616897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRL I'd probably word sentences to avoid mentioning a name at all. < 1224616910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that one" < 1224616918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ POLITICALLY RELEVANT JOKE ^^ < 1224616928 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, ais523 takes even longer to pronounce then AnMaster < 1224616931 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you spell it out, like I do < 1224616942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, my nick isn't meant to pronounce < 1224616943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1224616949 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, nicks aren't, generally < 1224616951 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine definitely isn't < 1224616958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm called oklopol irl too < 1224616961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just oklo < 1224616962 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've grown to like it for all sorts of purposes < 1224616968 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you called oklofok and oklocod too? < 1224616968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now known as XMwPEhuSSj
< 1224616969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever do you mean, ay eye ess five two three pipe busy? < 1224616971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also with my irl name of course < 1224616977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also occasionally veli lasol < 1224616982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, XMwPEhuSSj < 1224616984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try that one < 1224616987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how do you pronounce oklopol, "ock lo pohl"? < 1224616991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from rng) < 1224616997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(prng rather) < 1224616998 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think it's faster to pronounce than ais523, but harder < 1224617007 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes < 1224617012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy, I think it is impossible < 1224617014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is for me at least < 1224617019 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I pronounce it like that but with a short o at the end < 1224617020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not hard < 1224617021 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish is pronounced as it's written, characters are pronounced as in lojban < 1224617024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy: yes < 1224617025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, huh? < 1224617025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not poll < 1224617026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pohl < 1224617031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for yäö < 1224617037 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklôpol, where the accent indicates a long vowel < 1224617051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well "poll" is how it's pronounced < 1224617059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: depends how you pronounce poll < 1224617063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just record the pronounciation < 1224617064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1224617064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the "p" is not aspirated < 1224617076 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is an aspirated p? < 1224617082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could pronounce oklopol easily < 1224617082 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can aspirate vowels, but consonants? < 1224617090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have an "h" after it < 1224617099 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopholl? < 1224617099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, your nick? No < 1224617103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"b" is a non-aspirated, voiced "p", in english < 1224617111 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1224617117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: record a pronounciation < 1224617118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1224617120 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a case of consonants differing slightly between languages < 1224617124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it is *easy* to pronounce "oklopol" in Swedish < 1224617130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not what you want though < 1224617139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but you may pronounce it wrong, as "o" can also be "u" < 1224617151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ah I wouldn't do it like that < 1224617156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I agree < 1224617158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a good idea < 1224617158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah then it's probably correct < 1224617182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oklo-pol" basically < 1224617338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|busy: also the emphasis is on OKlopol < 1224617343 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to think up other ways to pronounce oklopol
< 1224617350 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oklopple" would be one < 1224617379 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1224617468 0 :ais523|busy!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1224617500 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.209.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1224617502 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAUUGH < 1224617504 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my net crashed < 1224617506 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 2 hours < 1224617507 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1224617510 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, how's DOBELA, my esolang < 1224617514 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did i miss < 1224617555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an argument about how to pronounce "oklopol" < 1224617561 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1224617562 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1224617566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and AnMaster starting off a new lang < 1224617566 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going for 10-15 mins < 1224617574 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone please think whether DOBELA is TC < 1224617577 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it lacks < 1224617578 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for TC < 1224617580 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1224617580 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1224617582 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me tips < 1224617599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm preparing another draft < 1224617602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next one I mean < 1224617631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what do you call a cube based on a non-square rectangle in English? < 1224617638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember English word < 1224617644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rätblock" in Swedish < 1224617651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all sides need to be the same < 1224617657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but opposite ones need to me < 1224617657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be* < 1224617671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: cuboid < 1224617674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah thanks < 1224617682 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1224617683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean a shape made from 6 rectangles < 1224617684 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also called "rectangular prism". < 1224617687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yep < 1224617692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all corners as in a cube < 1224617699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no tilting < 1224617712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1224617722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have 6 parallelograms, so it's tilted, you get a parallelepiped < 1224617730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't a very commonly used word, but it's great fun to say < 1224617799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1224617812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, should I give refraction index or speed of light? < 1224617816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for materials < 1224617826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably refraction index < 1224617830 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh: "As of 2005, no example of a perfect cuboid had been found and no one had proven that it cannot exist. Exhaustive computer searches have proven that the smallest edge of the perfect box is at least 4.3 billion." < 1224617859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There certainly seem to be a lot of things that are not yet known. Those mathematicians ought to start getting things done. < 1224617869 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1224617874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh? < 1224617885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a perfect cuboid? < 1224617888 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they should get around to finding those odd perfect numbers too < 1224617894 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A perfect cuboid is one where the edges, face dianogals and the space diagonal are all integers. < 1224617901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1224617908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/fkwcwc/eclipple.mp3 A 3 in one deal. Correct followed by incorrect pronounciations of "oklopol" and "ehird", followed by the incorruptable "ais523". < 1224617911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is my pronouncuation of oklopol right < 1224617933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? I plan to make sure that it calculates for the different refraction you get depending the wavelength of the photon < 1224617962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eclipple? < 1224617979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1224618000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: my intentionally-bad pronounciation of oklopol < 1224618030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: are you female, or are my headphones broken? < 1224618035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/cZIzpE66.html < 1224618043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm a 13-year-old with an abnormally high voice. < 1224618049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If it looks like a girl, sounds like a girl, ..." < 1224618049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1224618053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your headphones may or may not be broken. < 1224618061 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the first one is about right < 1224618066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, huh < 1224618068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1224618068 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And quacks like a duck. (Disclaimer: didn't listen to it yet.) < 1224618070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 'about' right? :-P < 1224618082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is going to record too now
< 1224618094 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said the middle o was a long vowel, IIRC < 1224618111 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said? < 1224618128 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, someone else said :) < 1224618131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would a short o be long? < 1224618133 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okloooooppol. < 1224618135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is finnish < 1224618144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: your last l < 1224618146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is an english l < 1224618153 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his k is aspirated < 1224618155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's how a finnish child would say oklopol < 1224618160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have a raw file here < 1224618163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a finnish child! < 1224618163 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1224618166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess < 1224618169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/tmp/oklopol.raw: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 8 bit, mono 8000 Hz < 1224618172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You said something about quacking? http://filebin.ca/tkdpj/quack.mp3 < 1224618175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think you can play that? < 1224618177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just arecord < 1224618179 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like "okhlopoll" or something < 1224618182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1224618186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You could just use lame(1) to give an mp3, you know. < 1224618187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't notice it because of the l < 1224618212 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1224618219 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm pretty sure i can < 1224618252 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1224618263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Though that quack isn't very...quacky. < 1224618279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, gives me noise hm < 1224618287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Make a wav first, then. < 1224618292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no. < 1224618296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well can't figure out < 1224618296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame has an option for raw input < 1224618304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up
< 1224618307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: -r < 1224618312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it isn't raw I think < 1224618313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1224618317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Sampling rate and < 1224618317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mono/stereo/jstereo must be specified on the command line.]] < 1224618334 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jstereo? < 1224618343 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "joint stereo". < 1224618343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: joint stereo < 1224618347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the newer versiony thing of stereo < 1224618348 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1224618349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah oggenc worked < 1224618352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://omploader.org/vdXZj < 1224618354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogg file < 1224618359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, is that correct? < 1224618360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ok. lame -r -s 8 -m j foo.raw foo.mp3 for further reference < 1224618375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, noise too, that was one I tested < 1224618384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your voice is weird < 1224618390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, very bad headset < 1224618402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bad quality of recording too < 1224618408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I got a cold < 1224618413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah my voice is odd < 1224618414 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that page crashed my firefox < 1224618416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's cheating. :p (For the high frequency part, there's no real stereo, just a single channel + panning.) < 1224618423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not my problem < 1224618433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: iirc, it actually produces better quality < 1224618438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and smaller filesizes < 1224618446 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better quality for the same bitrate, maybe. < 1224618460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Um, says the person who was astonished that I wasn't going to make my site work in IE.. < 1224618464 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, AnMaster sounds so swedish :-D < 1224618478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well it doesn't crash my firefox 2 < 1224618480 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: stress on the first syllable < 1224618483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no clue why it crashes your < 1224618488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, heh? < 1224618496 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is 3.0.3 < 1224618502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, for me firefox 2 opens a download dialog < 1224618504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all < 1224618505 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you need to stress the first syllable < 1224618518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and what do I stress now? < 1224618522 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the middle one < 1224618543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if I stress the first one, it would sound English < 1224618546 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then your o's just sound all swedish but I guess that can't be helped :-P < 1224618557 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in finnish, all words have the stress on the first syllable < 1224618562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and I could say it in English I guess < 1224618608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in english the vowels would be completely wrong < 1224618614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://omploader.org/vdXZk <-- in English < 1224618630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems i can't open those < 1224618632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if ehird thinks that sound less strange
< 1224618635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i trust Deewiant < 1224618637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, normal *.ogg < 1224618643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wget < 1224618647 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1224618647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rename to whatever.ogg < 1224618647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oklopol uses windows. < 1224618648 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1224618655 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: better < 1224618658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I guess he could save it to disk < 1224618662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that was English o < 1224618664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too < 1224618666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And then how do you propose he opens it? < 1224618672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, englishy o's, I was going to say that next < 1224618675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is vlc or mplayer iirc < 1224618678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both for windows < 1224618681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other tools too < 1224618682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vlc should be able to play it < 1224618688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it just doesn't work. < 1224618693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, odd < 1224618697 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the sound is really quiet < 1224618701 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might just not hear it < 1224618705 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replay gain put +16 decibels < 1224618705 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1224618715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, really? sounded fine here < 1224618718 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used media player classic, that seemed to work. < 1224618720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a SB Live 5.1 < 1224618727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the head set really sucks < 1224618730 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's DOBELA? And how do YOU spell DOBELA < 1224618737 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spell it "do-BEE-la" < 1224618746 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: like said, replay gain put +16 decibels, and that's just analysing the sound < 1224618754 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: I spell it DOBELA < 1224618755 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do YOU spell it < 1224618757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "noise"? < 1224618767 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: uh... how? < 1224618773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: he spells it DOBELA < 1224618776 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: you probably meant something other than 'spell' < 1224618779 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1224618780 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ? < 1224618780 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1224618781 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronounce < 1224618782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway, I can replay it just fine at a moderate volume in my headset < 1224618782 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1224618784 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Augh < 1224618787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay opened in audacity < 1224618791 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1224618796 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you PRONOUNCE DOBELA < 1224618800 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is very quiet, yes. If you open it in audacity, the amplitude peaks go to something like 0.07, in the range [-1, 1]. < 1224618800 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pronounce it "do-BEE-la" < 1224618803 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just skip the aspiration and that's fine < 1224618823 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1224618827 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you pronounce DOBELA < 1224618829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie well... No clue about that < 1224618836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: doo-bee-lah < 1224618838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My voice is very high: http://filebin.ca/rbccv/aaaaaa.mp3 < 1224618839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, I don't, since I'm working on Photon < 1224618855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "high volume" or "high pitch", or both? < 1224618861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pitch < 1224618865 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: do-be-la where "be" is not pronounced like the english "be" < 1224618866 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Just like me, but proper-englishfied, and i focus on "BEE" < 1224618869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :high volume=loud < 1224618871 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1224618880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that was awesome :) < 1224618882 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pronounce it like "be" is pronounced like "bee" < 1224618884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I got a very low pitched voice < 1224618889 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: "be" as in "bet" here < 1224618889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can get down a long way < 1224618892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not up much < 1224618897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1224618906 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, Deewiant, that's also right < 1224618911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think near low C iirc. < 1224618921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is that my throat hurts now < 1224618921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was a few years ago, I almost reached it < 1224618945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, was that from encyclopedia btw? < 1224618946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1224618952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncyclopedia < 1224618958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no... i made it < 1224618960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION kicks aspell where it hurts
< 1224618962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a microphone and audacity < 1224618964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean those "A" < 1224618966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1224618967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my voice. < 1224618969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! < 1224618973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, that's because that's what i said < 1224618979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" < 1224618991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wasn't it more like aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? < 1224619009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah I thought you used uncyclopedia as a script for that performance ;P < 1224619050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm maybe I should stress the *last* syllable < 1224619055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds quite fun < 1224619060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in oklopol < 1224619061 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce it like "doobela" in Finnish; that would be something like "doo" as in the word "door", then "be" as in the word "bed", and then the "la" as in... uh, "last". < 1224619068 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err, no, don't do that. ;-P < 1224619075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why not? It sounds fun < 1224619092 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1224619097 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: american "last" is not that "la" < 1224619104 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, you can do whatever you want of course! < 1224619106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i am a mutant: http://filebin.ca/stzadm/aaaaaeriueuriuear.mp3 < 1224619107 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.209.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1224619115 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You're right, I just couldn't figure out a good example there. < 1224619116 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finished up the DOBELA wiki entry < 1224619121 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so, i'm done. < 1224619122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what about your nick? < 1224619124 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "love" < 1224619128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dee-wiant < 1224619128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1224619137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long or short e? < 1224619143 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "deviant", pronouncing "v" as "w" if you wish. < 1224619153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly, http://filebin.ca/stzadm/aaaaaeriueuriuear.mp3 gets louder the lower my voice is < 1224619160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I pronounce it as "deviant" but with w not v < 1224619174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so not a long e? < 1224619181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought it was < 1224619193 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Okay, it's closer that way. I was trying to think of words that I'd start with a "la"-like sound, but the only things that came to mind were "lament" and "lart". < 1224619203 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also, "luck". < 1224619210 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's long, yes. < 1224619229 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "lack" < 1224619232 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lack" thereof < 1224619236 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: no, that's again wrong. :-P < 1224619244 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"larder" < 1224619247 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just "lard" < 1224619264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I tried to adjust sound levels. < 1224619268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see if it helps < 1224619280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fizzie" is easy to pronounce, I think < 1224619288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I pronounce it the same way as other people < 1224619295 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's meant to be pronounced finnish-ly < 1224619298 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, "fizzy" < 1224619310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://omploader.org/vdXZl < 1224619315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what about that for your nick? < 1224619319 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: People who use that name for me in real life just shorten it to "fiz"; like "fizz" but with a shorter buzz at the end. < 1224619321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how are sound levels? < 1224619338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I need to speak low to not disturb other ppl < 1224619339 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: replaygain gives only +10 dB now. :-) < 1224619350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "turn volume up"? < 1224619354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried that one? < 1224619359 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, that's what replay gain is for. < 1224619385 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as for pronounciation, I'm not really hearing the "i" but I guess it's fine < 1224619389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah there is an option "mic boost +20 db"? < 1224619394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the mixer settings < 1224619401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that is a good idea? < 1224619418 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, and undo what you did previously to increase it < 1224619438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "turning recording level from 90% to 100% for channel mic" < 1224619440 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. So, as it turns out, DOBELA is left alone. Until someone makes an interpreter of something for it. And comparison is going to be a neato task. See you, and I hope the challenge of DOBELA TC-proving may be solved < 1224619442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was what I did before < 1224619456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ugh I just get a LOT of loud noise now < 1224619457 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so bring it to 85% and do the boost thing. < 1224619458 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1224619472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GASP! INTERPRETERS DO NOT WRITE THEMSELVES < 1224619526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, and yes, most people I've heard to say "fizzie" have done it pretty finnish-ly, when not abbreviating it. Like "fitsie", not "fisi". < 1224619532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omploaded 'fizzie.ogg' to http://omploader.org/vdXZm < 1224619534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, fizzie ^ < 1224619547 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, finnish "z" too, didn't even realize that one :-) < 1224619555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, he should write it himself, as I suggested before < 1224619559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so did you < 1224619561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he can't < 1224619564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as he just admitted he can't program < 1224619567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well < 1224619571 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: +7 dB from replay gain now < 1224619573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, everything he does is terminally uninteresting < 1224619577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wont' be written < 1224619577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, heh < 1224619595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, when I play it back it got lots and lots of noise < 1224619603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1224619606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed < 1224619624 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most albums these days get -10 dB from replay gain < 1224619626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how was my attempt at your nick btw? < 1224619629 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, I don't really have a preferred pronunciation for it. < 1224619636 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: see "loudness war" at wikipedia if you're interested < 1224619650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ugh. Well I change my headset volume as needed :p < 1224619652 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I guess I'll have to fetch my headphones and check. < 1224619686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway can't record more now without disturbing ppl < 1224619718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also if you want I could do your nick in Swedish instead (but not right now) < 1224619726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1224619741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deeeviant (stressing the second syllable) < 1224619741 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'll reiterate: "err, don't do that." :-P < 1224619751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why not? got anything against Swedish? < 1224619752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1224619761 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, swedish pronunciation in my mind would stress the last syllable < 1224619765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: "fissi" ;P < 1224619781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, depends on dialect < 1224619797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get a horribly strong "eeee" in some dialects < 1224619826 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, you're not the only one who says it like that. It's not the "finnishy" way of doing it, but as far as I'm concerned there isn't a specific correct way anyway. < 1224619827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stockholmsa for example I think < 1224619869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Well in Swedish it would have been like s, and no "buzzing z" (no idea about the correcting English word there, would be "tonande z" in Swedish) < 1224619877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except we don't have that sound < 1224619939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, would that be better? < 1224620062 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most Finnishy way has a rather peculiar 'z', it's that "ts" sound. Maybe Deewiant can describe it better. < 1224620096 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My wife uses something close to how you'd probably say "fis" when talking with her relatives. < 1224620103 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My own relatives just use the real name.) < 1224620105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: German prononuces z like that too < 1224620146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's z in IPA for what it's worth < 1224620154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1224620156 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1224620158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea about that z < 1224620158 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1224620193 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPA 'z' is "zoo", "rose"; so maybe not. < 1224620194 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not, it's tÍ¡s or something < 1224620229 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_alveolar_affricate < 1224620232 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia said simply ts < 1224620309 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, the ts-ligature thing looks funnier than just "ts with an arc above". < 1224620527 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, nobody's pronounced Asztal yet < 1224620598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ã¥stÃ¥l" < 1224620619 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'a' is the Hungarian a, which is like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Open_back_rounded_vowel.ogg < 1224620634 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ã¥stÃ¥l pÃ¥stÃ¥r att" < 1224620639 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stress is on the first syllable, and sz is pronounce like english s :) < 1224620680 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the L, I think it's probably more like the Finnish one < 1224620694 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"English s" really depends on whatever is around it; is it the IPA 's', like in "see" or "city" or "pass"? < 1224620721 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, yes, that S. < 1224620742 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have known better than to use English as a reference... < 1224620764 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'it sounds kind of like "ough"' < 1224620808 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that É’ is one weird (but cool) sound < 1224620883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found in hungarian, persian, afrikaans and some random languages + the only correct way of pronouncing english < 1224621061 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason the term "received pronunciation" always makes me think it wants to say "English pronunciation as received from God", or something. Where does the name come from, anyway? < 1224621121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :political correctness, I think < 1224621172 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The word received conveys its original meaning of accepted or approved – as in "received wisdom".[3] < 1224621185 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hum... Hum..." < 1224623228 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | In Python.... x = not x returns the opposite boolean value.... so infinity would have to have some sort of boolean value. < 1224623684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Dobela is an acronym, i thought it would be some polish word... is it that too? < 1224626612 0 :Corun_!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1224626629 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1224629357 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol < 1224629700 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. Sì, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi." < 1224630059 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1224630186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive < 1224630196 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1224630216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1224630599 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pm < 1224630689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am < 1224630921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fm < 1224631013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :md < 1224631029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(best. game. ever.) < 1224631175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oerjan: i think it's your turn...) < 1224631188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't get what md is < 1224631201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1224631204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i guess you lost. < 1224631208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1224631222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mendelevium < 1224631232 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's - a game? < 1224631243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1224631250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone says something < 1224631261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mendelevium is a chemical, isnt' it? < 1224631262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next one in turn tries to find a category the thing said is an element of < 1224631272 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finds the "next element" in that category < 1224631277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just another element if there's no order < 1224631282 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1224631286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pm => am => fm => md < 1224631298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was confused. i thought you were saying md _was_ a game < 1224631303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1224631371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case < 1224631439 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phd < 1224631612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1224631619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1224631624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1224631624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1224631640 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mac < 1224631649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oilskin coat < 1224631675 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, that was quite an obvious one < 1224631690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1224631693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, everyone knows that oko comes after o < 1224631694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phd < 1224631708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: only in one category < 1224631718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko is a language too... < 1224631738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after oko... < 1224631744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nopol < 1224631744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko is an abbreviation for a finnish bank < 1224631759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disturbing < 1224631782 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ook would be even more disturbing < 1224631802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phd would've been a bit hard to continue < 1224631812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i realized < 1224631820 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then so is oilskin coat < 1224631848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't think of any other 2-letter doctorates without cheating < 1224631904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i should have said mc instead of mac. then we could have had car, cdr, ... < 1224632014 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...mac? < 1224632045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surname prefixes < 1224632113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ask O'Sullivan over there < 1224632488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost the game < 1224632543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is there a game named "Lost"? probably. < 1224632553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1224632555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost: The Game < 1224632557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the lost franchise < 1224632560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw it in a store a while ago < 1224632566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly killed myself >:( < 1224632592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is, does it have a way to win? :D < 1224632624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: its a board game i think < 1224632626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably < 1224632628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does seem sort of against the spirit < 1224632631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you want a game called The Game < 1224632634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a game called Lost < 1224632647 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a video game as the first google hit < 1224632669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no, i was thinking: Lost, the game < 1224632678 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the comma is strictly optional < 1224632737 0 :ENKI-][!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1224632747 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1224632786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enki-Du < 1224633096 0 :ENKI-][!n=weechat@c-71-234-190-248.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1224633129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1224633130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:27:12 oerjan: mac < 1224633131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:27:21 ais523: oilskin coat < 1224633134 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed these two lines < 1224633140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is much clearer now. < 1224633194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all makes sense if you trust the little green man < 1224633280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, could you also say "green little man"? < 1224633308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly < 1224633325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow, that doesn't sound bad even though adjectives usually wanna be the last attributes < 1224633333 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1224633347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er they are both adjectives < 1224633366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually probably because "X-ey little man" is quite common < 1224633370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny little man < 1224633390 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't tell him he's X-ey. he could get angry. < 1224633396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but, for instance the canonical example, "red big balloon" is definitely wrong < 1224633447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1224633498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes adjectives just need to be in a certain order, determined by Magic < 1224633564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, the magic science is indisguishable from until psygnisfive tells us why that happens