< 1224893309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : about the putting the actual befunge unlambda on the bot, isn't there a fingerprint for some kinda procedures? < 1224893338 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, here i was about to get excited, until i remembered everyone is confusing unlambda and underload... < 1224893664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1224893697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really deserve a kickban for that. < 1224893717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really what the fuck is so hard about it < 1224893721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload < 1224893723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload < 1224893731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an underload program < 1224893734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i program in underload < 1224893740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is this stack-based language < 1224893747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, have you ever considered trying underload < 1224893749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1224893757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is so much cooler than drugs < 1224893772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in soviet russia, the load is under you < 1224893787 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | the rest are the same < 1224893794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((underload is)S:^):^ < 1224893795 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload isunderload is ...too much output! < 1224893800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1224893808 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arghhh? < 1224893821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((underload is )S:^):^ there was a typo < 1224893822 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is underload is ...too much output! < 1224893855 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw. almost wrote one of my underloads as unlambda when writing those sentences < 1224893871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it. < 1224893883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is really only one way to atone for this, you know. < 1224893898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must write a fully-functional unlambda interpreter in befunge. < 1224893944 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski i can do no prob; unlambda may require some though < 1224893949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thought < 1224893956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i'll consider it < 1224893963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mutters
< 1224893968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liberty has died further. < 1224893975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1224893990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US *border patrol* can now perform searches and seizures on anyone within 100 miles of the US border. < 1224894014 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That covers the vast majority of the US population... < 1224894028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1224894067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder when pirate bay starts considering founding "the planet of freedom" on mars or something < 1224894139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Covers fully 2/3 of the US population, actually. < 1224894241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely recall something about the USA having a constitution that people are fond of throwing against such things
< 1224894382 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, our current president has convinced enough of us to give it up that that doesn't happen much anymore. < 1224894491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our current President is on record as saying that the Constitution is a 'god-damned piece of paper'. < 1224894515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he meant the first word literally
< 1224894521 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like something a gold-standard idiot would say (about different paper :P ) < 1224894615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly realized "gold-standard" was _not_ a metaphor
< 1224894629 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. No it was not :P < 1224896144 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-2-101.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224902490 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-168-13.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1224902504 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1224902831 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1224903857 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1224905722 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1224907388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1224907389 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1224907459 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r01jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1224907459 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1224907819 0 :omniscient_idiot!n=boa@adsl-155-100-173.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1224909247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1224909510 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-168-13.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1224912638 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1224912791 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1224914220 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello people! :D < 1224914812 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello person! :D < 1224915001 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNQLmHKlmiE < 1224915387 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | 1 megabyte is 1024Kb < 1224915543 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1224916722 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Unisex." < 1224921599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1224921600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1224923148 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@j-184.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1224925947 0 :M0ny!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-50-174.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224925983 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop < 1224926387 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi Im a qit msg virus. Pls rplce ur old qit msg wit tis 1 & hlp me tk ovr th wrld of IRC. and dlte ur files. and email ths to < 1224926746 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1224929201 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hum... Hum..." < 1224930216 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-2-101.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224930513 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-254-104.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1224932777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I think mycouser got a bug with odd input for char input < 1224932783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -e '2\0241\n2\n11\nto be or not to be\n' | ./cfunge ../mycology/mycouser.b98 < 1224932787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that says: < 1224932794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please input a character: UNDEF: got 161 '¡39 0 '' which is hopefully correct. < 1224932800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks wrong to me < 1224932834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1224932839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens in ccbi too < 1224932935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually hm I don't have last mycology < 1224932940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION downloads last and tests
< 1224932974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah works with last < 1224934056 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1224934098 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-2-101.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224934179 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-2-101.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224934225 0 :M0ny!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-50-174.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224934547 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@k-236.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1224934778 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1224934859 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1224936044 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1224936987 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I'll do a Markov chain of my nick: ihope_ < 1224943185 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1224944213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know if there's a way to have a permanent folder in /tmp? I'd like /tmp/downloads to always be there but clean itself when /tmp does. < 1224945670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1224945676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1224945678 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1224945680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1224946007 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1224948186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523 < 1224948261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1224949399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can't test o in linear text mode: i ignores spaces, no way to know from within standard Funge-98 whether they are output to file." < 1224949402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm it is possible < 1224949406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by being clever < 1224949408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleaver* < 1224949416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and using binary input mode < 1224949419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to read it in < 1224949428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have to handle all the possible newline conventions < 1224949441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there are spaces, it won't overwrite, if there aren't it will overwrite < 1224949660 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@k-236.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1224949663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :023575320 < 1224949673 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0235753287575320235753287535320 < 1224949692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... what are you doing? < 1224949704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, lol at the topic < 1224949710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not a real lol < 1224949717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an IRC-lol that makes no noise in real life < 1224949824 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-2-101.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224949837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hummin' < 1224949849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1224949863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a bit tired, played world of goo all night < 1224949880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i did finish the game, so it was time well used) < 1224949907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no that's not a synonym for something perverted, it's a game < 1224949916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err not synonym < 1224949918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway < 1224949934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you build things out of these balls of goo < 1224949944 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i feel like what i type is falling. < 1224949965 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the right, because there's more weights there < 1224950006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*weight < 1224950012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really have a problem with my s's. < 1224950572 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1224950793 0 :M0ny!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-50-174.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224952286 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1224952286 0 :omniscient_idiot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1224952286 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1224952317 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-2-101.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224952317 0 :omniscient_idiot!n=boa@adsl-155-100-173.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1224952317 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1224954057 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1224954292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is a typed memory object. < 1224954371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :posix_typed_mem_open manages to totally fail at explain what they are and what they are meant for < 1224954375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fails* < 1224954619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail* < 1224954659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees a reference to an IEEE standard
< 1224954739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/xbd_chap03.html#tag_03_418 < 1224954799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not immensely clear though < 1224954994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah yes "fail", but I read what I had written as "posix_typed_mem_open manpage totally" instead of what I really wrote "posix_typed_mem_open manages to totally" < 1224955000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then fails would have been correct < 1224955048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, however I still got no clue what the typed memory * stuff is < 1224955071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's part of the Advanced Realtime group of options, whatever that is < 1224955144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes I know what those are, there is some useful stuff in that group, for example very exact clocks and such < 1224955167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait that one is just Realtime, not Advanced < 1224955300 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/xsh_chap02_08.html#tag_02_08_03_04 < 1224955398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/xrat/xsh_chap02.html#tag_03_02_08_15 < 1224955432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one actually gives some clue i think < 1224955509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to refer to _physical_ memory types < 1224955675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ^ < 1224955702 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1224955934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh ok < 1224956343 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1224956404 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1224956465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I read that < 1224956468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite interesting < 1224956667 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1224956667 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1224956667 0 :omniscient_idiot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1224956703 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-2-101.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224956703 0 :omniscient_idiot!n=boa@adsl-155-100-173.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1224956703 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1224956725 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1224957202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders multithreaded brainfuck
< 1224957240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfork. < 1224957262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea how to provide synchronisation in a way that fits with the language < 1224957271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfork. < 1224957283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes the name is good, but it would be shared memory < 1224957288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1224957292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying it already exists. < 1224957294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's called Brainfork. < 1224957295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ehird's trying to point out that it already exists < 1224957295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh right < 1224957298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfork < 1224957300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks
< 1224957367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the link is broken < 1224957370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the website < 1224957525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1224957631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the _web archive_ is borken too, it's time to take a break < 1224958187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it certainly times out here < 1224958203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe google's cached version of the web archive version? :D < 1224958248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, however I wonder how to do synchronisation in brainfork... < 1224958587 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | but below it? < 1224958956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Intelligence agencies, using intelligent software, can screen the contents of e-mail with relative ease]]. < 1224958963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dumb agencies need not apply as they only have dumb software. < 1224959181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i assume the tape is shared. moving the pointer to the right in one thread wouldn't make sense otherwise. although the phrasing is a bit weird. < 1224959205 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-145-211-205.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1224959233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well I would implement it as: shared thread, + and - atomic, each thread got it's own pointer < 1224959253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output would be atomic too < 1224959272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1224959274 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1224960920 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi." < 1224962098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1224962173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (o)(~:S(ok)*~:^):^ < 1224962174 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oookookokookokokookokokokookokokokokookokokokokokookokokokokokokookokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokokokokokokok ...too much output! < 1224962178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1224962201 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ( o)(~:S(ko)*~:^):^ < 1224962202 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : o oko okoko okokoko okokokoko okokokokoko okokokokokoko okokokokokokoko okokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko ...too much output! < 1224962233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better to be scared to half to death than to death half scared be to < 1224962269 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assumes that makes sense in finnish, or something
< 1224962289 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah that was an american dad quote, sometimes i like to copypaste what i hear on channels. < 1224962333 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye < 1224963044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there? < 1224963154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about that POSIX for DOS thing (DJGPP or whatever it was) someone said it didn't support fork(), well I think POSIX kind of forbids that. "{CHILD_MAX} precludes the possibility of a "toy implementation", where there would only be one process." (quote from rationale for adding pid_t) < 1224963919 0 :atrapado!n=mnh@217.168.11.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1224963985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he is not there. < 1224963997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also. < 1224964001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fork() just always fails on djgpp < 1224964002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right, I had checked /whois, it didn't say away < 1224964008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHILD_MAX is 1, presumably. < 1224964012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not allowed < 1224964017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Tough shit. < 1224964019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : {CHILD_MAX} < 1224964020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maximum number of simultaneous processes per real user ID. < 1224964020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Minimum Acceptable Value: {_POSIX_CHILD_MAX} < 1224964028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : {_POSIX_CHILD_MAX} < 1224964028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maximum number of simultaneous processes per real user ID. < 1224964028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Value: 25 < 1224964041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Embedded systems will break that rule, anyway. < 1224964049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I'm just quoting standards < 1224964066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Standards are irrelevant. < 1224964079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrelevant for what? < 1224964087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything involving the real world. < 1224964109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is your opinion < 1224964131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a good reason for standards, and if there were no standards no program would be portable, ever < 1224964146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. See, people write portable things without standards all the time. < 1224964154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called testing on multiple platforms and you have to do it anyway. < 1224964199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so if C wasn't portable, and only existed for one platform, you would need to write polygots to get it working on multiple platforms < 1224964210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C once didn't have a standard. < 1224964217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People still wrote perfectly fine programs for it. < 1224964227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed, but it got one after a while. Which helped a lot < 1224964301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you print a standard out on chocolate bars, you can eat it < 1224964304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that irrelevant < 1224964356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: True, true < 1224964360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, highly relevant, except you need a standard chocolate bar format for printing < 1224964376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well sure if you want to do some serious metaeating < 1224964377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean should be... Y4 (for Yum) < 1224964382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The point is that nobody actually gives half of a damn if DJGPP disobeys the standard by - gasp - giving the correct value. < 1224964615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Urbibus" < 1224964676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a second... < 1224964683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the command printing out the unix timestamp? < 1224964687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot think of it for the life of me < 1224964724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :date +%s < 1224964756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think it'd be easier. huh. < 1224964773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, note that %s is a commonly supported non-standard extension iirc < 1224964780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha. < 1224964781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX date may not have such a command ;P < 1224964788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Aren't standards wonderful, mmhm? < 1224964825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :122496122070678410976191059206867952173936457386 < 1224964828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a nice nonce! < 1224964828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact on a DeathPOSIX 9000 you would need to write a C program using time() to do it < 1224964849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that doesn't look like a current date... < 1224964850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to rewrite that in php. Fleargh. < 1224964854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ date +%s < 1224964854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1224961128 < 1224964858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's timestamp + large amount of random data. < 1224964861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1224964862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 16 bytesworth. < 1224964869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to justify the php thing: i have no choice, relaly < 1224964870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you plan to use it for? < 1224964879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm modifying the phpMyID openid server to use pgp for authentication < 1224964883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and using the firegpg extension to do it < 1224964888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll automatically sign the nonce that comes back < 1224964890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus proving I'm me. < 1224964918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE < 1224964922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers
< 1224964929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's just like ssh authentication < 1224964940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm.. < 1224964945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :server gives a nonce, browser auto-signs the nonce, server checks signing is correct, voila < 1224964957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ofc, it's still protected by a passphrase. < 1224964960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a gpg key. < 1224964965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I think php got functions for both time stamp and random, but I got no clue how good that prng is < 1224964974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm just going to read from /dev/random. < 1224964977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1224965492 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gasps at http://pixelcomic.net/287.php
< 1224965507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Those employing applications written in high-level languages, such as C, Ada, or FORTRAN." (http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/xrat/port.html) < 1224965509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1224965515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call C high level < 1224965519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is subjective < 1224965963 0 :kt3k!n=stibium_@FL1-122-130-193-58.kyt.mesh.ad.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1224968175 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-2-101.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1224969654 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :high level compared to assembly < 1224969659 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but low level compared to prolog < 1224969801 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1224970108 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what's to gasp at? it looks all blurry to me < 1224970156 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that there was an update < 1224970314 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, ok < 1224970338 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have known some of my comics go longer than that between updates < 1224970408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you use cfunge release or last bzr? < 1224970432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only I'm planning a new release within a few days and I would need someone to test it on OS X < 1224970437 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argon Zark once went for over a year in the middle of a fast-paced action scene < 1224970464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, what comic are you talking about? < 1224970508 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um Argon Zark < 1224970565 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it started in 1997 it has managed a grand total of 77 updates < 1224970572 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1224970602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, I usually read well updated ones < 1224970616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember for how long userfriendly have gone without an update
< 1224970630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think once or twice the *daily* comic have been late due to server issues < 1224970637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no missing comics < 1224970650 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds about right < 1224970651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irregular webcomic seems very very regular too < 1224970665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd is regular, so is darth and droids < 1224970675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those are all the webcomics I read < 1224970683 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Last" bzr, where "last" in this case means revno: 441, timestamp: Sun 2008-10-19 18:29:41 +0200. < 1224970694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, care to try out the very last? < 1224970704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been some changes that could cause issues < 1224970714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, please also report warnings, not just errors :) < 1224970742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know about a few warings in genx, but other than that there shouldn't be any assuming you aren't on gcc 4.2.x when you may get inline ones too) < 1224970748 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the total to beat though is Doctor Fun, the first comic on the web (as distinct from the first web comic), which went for 10 years exactly with no misseed updates < 1224970767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and possible one about "possible infinite loop cannot be optimised" < 1224970771 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I recommend the archives' content: like Gary Larsson without the incomprehensible ones < 1224970778 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How "within a few days" you want? I'd be using the OS X laptop on Monday next. I guess I could theoretically speaking set it up here, but I'm not sure I have electricity outlets comfortably reachable from this table. < 1224970791 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do *not* recomment the archives' form. < 1224970803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I was thinking tomorrow evening or maybe Monday evening < 1224970833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I could check the laptop still works, haven't booted it up lately. Maybe I'll try it now. < 1224970834 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry about the typing, Im' on a really crap connection here < 1224970848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1224970852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thanks a lot < 1224970868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1224970869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mod worked < 1224970874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gpg authentication with phpmyid < 1224970875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1224970879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, somehow I bet ehird won't help me checking if cfunge works on OS X < 1224970881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a hunch < 1224970887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I would have asked him of course < 1224970901 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably bst to start browsing here, I think: http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/) < 1224970914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, what is that comic about? < 1224970936 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-related single panels < 1224970946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I would help if I could compile it, which I imagine I can't.. < 1224970951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the comic still update? < 1224970952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tarball link please < 1224970954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No. < 1224970961 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1224970965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last updated 06, iirc. < 1224970987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well tarball, point is trying current bzr version, but I could export it to a tarball, will take a minute or two to fix < 1224971003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. I don't have bzr on here < 1224971005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as nobody uses it :P) < 1224971025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Do you have cmake? < 1224971028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw. Anyone who wants to test: When you click 'Login' at http://elliott.hird.name.eso-std.org/id/, it should just say 'login failed'. Does it? < 1224971030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. < 1224971030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 100% it exists for OS X < 1224971035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1224971056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omploaded 'cfunge_r455.tar.bz2' to http://omploader.org/vdjly < 1224971070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL ... PHP6 is using a backslash as namespace seperator < 1224971076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so\ncool\nman < 1224971076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, haha < 1224971088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait \n or \? < 1224971093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1224971094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why not : or . or such < 1224971099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are like the common ones < 1224971104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because the php team is a bunch of bumbling retards. < 1224971106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even / would work better than \ < 1224971143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I hope they don't get such a silly idea as prefixing it with [A-Z]:\ though.... I guess no one would be that mad < 1224971156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha < 1224971163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C:\Namespaces\NATURAL MAPPING\ < 1224971186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's pretty close to RDF (triples of URIs; base of the entire semantic web) and XML < 1224971192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nah, C:\ would be a too silly idea, no one outside this channel would think of such an idea < 1224971200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@prefix foaf: < 1224971208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a foaf:Person . < 1224971212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, foaf:Person is shorthand for... < 1224971218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1224971230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the analogy only works, though, if php code consists of multiple file paths < 1224971236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... which I wouldn't be surprised at. :D < 1224971269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It compiled. < 1224971279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway cfunge should be easy to compile on OS X, some time ago I had access to a mac and even noted it worked when generating xcode project < 1224971281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bunch of pedantic warnings, but that's just your code. < 1224971287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cmake .; make did it < 1224971293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well care to pastebin warnings? < 1224971296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't even read the readme :P < 1224971301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh :) < 1224971302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: stuff like < 1224971303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[/Users/ehird/Desktop/cfunge_r455/src/fingerprints/STRN/STRN.c: In function ‘finger_STRN_itoa’: < 1224971306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[/Users/ehird/Desktop/cfunge_r455/src/fingerprints/STRN/STRN.c: In function ‘finger_STRN_itoa’: < 1224971306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/Users/ehird/Desktop/cfunge_r455/src/fingerprints/STRN/STRN.c:242: warning: ISO C does not support the ‘q’ printf length modifier]] < 1224971310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blink < 1224971313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use q < 1224971322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, those are all the warnings apart from in genx < 1224971338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : stringbuffer_append_printf(sb, "%" FUNGECELLPRI, n); < 1224971339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1224971342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1224971355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNGECELLPRI = "q", i assume. < 1224971374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, PRId64 or PRId32 < 1224971378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on cmake option < 1224971383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so PRId64 for you < 1224971388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'll put a #warning in there to see < 1224971389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which comes from inttypes.h < 1224971394 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it "qd", probably. < 1224971400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah, there. < 1224971407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes but PRId64 is defined by standard < 1224971422 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I also only get that 'q' printf length modifier. < 1224971424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the implementation use a non-standard value for it < 1224971433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% ./cfunge examples/hello-concurrent1.b98 < 1224971433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello world < 1224971436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, funny thing is, OS X is warning about it's own headers < 1224971447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1224971451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since PRId64 comes from the system header inttypes.h < 1224971452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1224971456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's warning because you specified a shitload of overly-pedantic compiler options. < 1224971457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is defined in C99 < 1224971458 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing is that C has no module system < 1224971466 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't know where the "q" came from. < 1224971472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[./cfunge examples/pi2.bf 1.29s user 0.01s system 97% cpu 1.325 total]] < 1224971478 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure GCC is full of hacks to figure stuff like that out. < 1224971479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well the pre-processor could trace it < 1224971486 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: overhead++ < 1224971502 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what the pre-processor is meant to do < 1224971510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm true. < 1224971555 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a comment in inttypes.h where it defines the 'q': "these could be -- "ll" -- but that doesn't work on 10.2, and these do". < 1224971565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I have tested on freebsd 6.3 and Linux 2.6.(25|27) < 1224971571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, haha < 1224971587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so now I just need to: 1. Buy elliott.hird.name 2. write a FOAF document 3. ??? 4. Prophet < 1224971692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, haha < 1224971713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why .name? I thought no one used that < 1224971732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Quite a few people do; the nice thing is that it gives me elliott@hird.name < 1224971743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually going to use it for my -site-, just as a little identity thingy. < 1224971755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, how do you get one from the hird one? < 1224971764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: .name registrations are mostly at the third-level < 1224971767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1224971772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SURNAME.name for all common surnames is taken < 1224971784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can get NAME.SURNAME.name unrestricted, which also gives you NAME@SURNAME.name < 1224971794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for English ones only? < 1224971794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ofc, you can get fdfgdfgdf.name, but not, say, smith.name. < 1224971795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1224971801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Why for english ones only? < 1224971805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wondering < 1224971814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Try it, foo.name will resolve if it's reserved ;-P < 1224971830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah my surname doesn't resolve < 1224971839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I wouldn't say it's a common surname. :Lp < 1224971840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:p < 1224971847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it isn't that uncommon in Sweden < 1224971866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, buy it and resell subdomains on it for insane prices! < 1224971868 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to have mx0[1-5].nic.name doing the emails for those surname-level names. < 1224971884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You just give them a forward address, I think. < 1224971890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well not that common either < 1224971895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if my sitey-type-thingy is foobarbaz.org, then i'll just forward it to ehird@foobarbaz.org. < 1224971903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, wait. < 1224971906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can send email from it too < 1224971912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess it's kind of a proxy-servy-thingy. < 1224971919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still use your mail server, but it goes through theres. < 1224971921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*theirs < 1224971946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the telephone search thingy lists 1000 hits (max 1000 hits shown) < 1224971948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, kallasjoki.name doesn't resolve either. There's approximately ten of us in Finland, and approximately zero elsewhere. < 1224971951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very helpful < 1224971964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, considering everywhere else is Finland, that's a bit redundant. < 1224971967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not per page of course) < 1224972029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amazing how little I had to change to get phpmyid to use pgp authentication. < 1224972046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ended up touching anything outside of the one function. < 1224972073 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the freely available statistics service thing (last updated 20.10.), there's 10 people (5 male, 5 female) who currently have the surname "Kallasjoki", "less than five" (it doesn't show the exact number in that case) who used to have it but changed, and 7 who are deceased. < 1224972089 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1224972089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Just a tiny single family, then? :-P < 1224972144 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, it wasn't very many generations away when a predecessor decided to change it to "Kallasjoki" from "Kakkinen", which.. uh, is not a very good name. < 1224972160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is even a street named after someone else with my surname in this town, sadly it includes the first name too, so I can't easily claim it was named after me ;) < 1224972163 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that fi:kakka is approximately en:poop. < 1224972168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: LOL < 1224972173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poopinen! < 1224972174 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the -nen is a common diminutive suffix.) < 1224972178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahahaha < 1224972187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little Poopy < 1224972193 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, something like that. < 1224972198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best surname ever. < 1224972205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.littlepoopy.nae < 1224972206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*name < 1224972246 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's one letter away from being "kakkainen", which would have almost exactly the meaning "poopy", in the "covered with poop" sense. < 1224972274 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of people in the Lieksa graveyard with "Kakkinen" etched on their headstones. < 1224972279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm was it ehird who suggested avoiding fork() to make it easier to port to windows? < 1224972283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or who was it < 1224972311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me or Deewiant, likely. < 1224972321 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually the statistics thing says a total of 992 "Kakkinen"s in Finland -- 400 deceased, 386 former names, 206 current.) < 1224972322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the solution to the issue. < 1224972332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : int posix_spawn(pid_t *restrict pid, const char *restrict path, < 1224972332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : const posix_spawn_file_actions_t *file_actions, < 1224972332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : const posix_spawnattr_t *restrict attrp, < 1224972332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : char *const argv[restrict], char *const envp[restrict]); < 1224972338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1224972366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it is optional in POSIX < 1224972374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I would need fork() as a fallback < 1224972384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION kicks AnMaster
< 1224972405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I need something that can mess with fds to set up pipes on fd 3 and fd 4 for the child < 1224972425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either pipe() fork() and dup2() or pipe() and posix_spawn() < 1224972432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the fork() solution < 1224972451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Just put an ifdef in for windows, srsly. :p < 1224972457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll have to learn like one winapi function. < 1224972468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for PERL? < 1224972481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likely that will exist on windows anyway < 1224972484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Just learn CreateProcessExtraUltra2000Deluxe, I mean, it's just one function. < 1224972492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you forgot Ex < 1224972497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Ex was part of Extr < 1224972498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aa < 1224972501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1224972544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway I'm happily awaiting patch since I got nothing to test it on. < 1224972547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1224972554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just install VirtualBox or something. < 1224972561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and windows itself? < 1224972569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pirate it. :-P < 1224972579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do illegal stuff < 1224972588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless you feel guilt in ripping off a few precious dollars microsoft.) < 1224972591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ from < 1224972593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1224972597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ from < 1224972601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ from < 1224972603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ from < 1224972603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1224972605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ from < 1224972610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Getting the 'from' in the right place. < 1224972621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you wrapped from several times < 1224972632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proportional font <.< < 1224972639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have monospace one < 1224972644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guessed. < 1224972655 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: pervert! < 1224972668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^from < 1224972668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Old fart! < 1224972671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be correct < 1224972707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you first "^ from" was under the "a" in "of a few" < 1224972717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next one was way after the ) < 1224972742 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I agree * 2 < 1224972753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, you use a proper font for irc? < 1224972754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1224972770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me for preferring to keep my eyes happy with proper font spacing and metrics. :p < 1224972814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you are pardoned if you don't do it again ;P < 1224972897 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuyqwe@bas2-toronto47-1279282763.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1224972900 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re "Kakkinen", from what I've heard, *that* name came as a Finnishization of an old name "Gagge" -- I'm not quite sure of the spelling or meaning. I seem to recall someone saying it meant a "round, sort of a barrel-shaped person", but I can't seem to Google©®™ any good references. < 1224972942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "kagge"? < 1224972953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it may have been from Swedish < 1224972961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems likely < 1224972963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, most of the names around here are. < 1224972975 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be "Kagge" for all I know. < 1224973016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which means stomach, often in the reference to round and oversized < 1224973028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not always < 1224973032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. That sounds very likely. < 1224973041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "ölkagge" < 1224973043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1224973077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English etymology dictionary for the word 'keg' gives "Swed. kagge, Norweg. kagge, a keg, a round mass or heap. Prob. named from its roundness." < 1224973098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that too < 1224973103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little Poopy Stomach < 1224973115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, however in modern usage it is used about fat stomach < 1224973117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly < 1224973128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it may actually refer to a round container in older usage < 1224973142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand them changing the name from "a fat guy" to something else, but I *really* can't fathom why change it to "a poopy guy". < 1224973144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it is not a word I use actively < 1224973173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as I said in older usage it may actually mean a round container, for liquid iirc < 1224973181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like beer < 1224973195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since you can get fat from that, I guess that is why it changed meaning < 1224973223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as for "poopy" it may have meant something else back then < 1224973237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :little fat poopy guy < 1224973237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1224973254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, the story I told was that the name was given to some ancestor of us in a Swedish army or other, and based on the physical resemblance to a keg, in the "barrel of liquid" sense. < 1224973255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no you can't use several meanings at once < 1224973260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes i can < 1224973268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well would be fat then I guess ;P < 1224973271 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION never notivced the similarity of English cack and keg before now.
< 1224973291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cack? < 1224973299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any good reference materials for Finnish language, I don't know how recent the "kakka" thing is. < 1224973319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you manage "kk"? < 1224973353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to pronounce it I mean < 1224973354 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish is full of double-consonants. I'm not good at all in explaining pronunciation, though. < 1224973380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean Swedish use double consonants to make the vowel in front short, but we use ck not kk < 1224973383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ll though < 1224973415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and ch in one case < 1224973419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is an exception < 1224973423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :och (and) < 1224973444 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, laterals ('L') are easy to elongate. < 1224973453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since (also) is "också", not "ochså" < 1224973469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, um? We never make the consonants long < 1224973477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we make the vowels in front short < 1224973509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this means it is LR(2) or so in that aspect < 1224973510 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia "Gemination" article says you do: "In some languages, e.g. -- Swedish -- consonant length and vowel length depend on each other. That is, a short vowel within a stressed syllable always precedes a long consonant or a consonant cluster, whereas a long vowel must be followed by a short consonant." < 1224973533 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish and Japanese are mentioned in the third paragraph. < 1224973539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hrrm. Do they give any examples? < 1224973586 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically it's pronounced by simply making the pause longer. < 1224973592 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For stop-style consonants. < 1224973618 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The others ('rr', 'nn' and such) are of course trivial. < 1224973653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ones would be "stop style"? < 1224973680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p, t, k, at least. < 1224973718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn don't have any Swedish /usr/share/dict/* here and can't think of any example < 1224973724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also kk never happens it is ck < 1224973773 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And based on some Wikipedia reading, the nasal consonats are also called "stops", but those don't really count. < 1224973818 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, Finnish makes the consonant/vowel-length variation mean completely different words. Wikipedia gives the example taka "back", takka "fireplace", taakka "burden". < 1224973832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you mean tt would cause a long pause after it? < 1224973839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :attribut? No pause there < 1224973856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm short a yes < 1224973858 0 :kt3k!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CHOCOA" < 1224973861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the pause before the actual sound burst of 't' is elongated. < 1224973862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is due to double t < 1224973888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is no pause on either side of any t (except after the word) < 1224973919 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a pause *in* 't'. The vocal tract is closed there, then opened which produces the actual t-like sound. < 1224973931 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just record it and look at it in Audacity if you don't believe me. :p < 1224973951 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's called "hold" and not "pause", but anyway. < 1224973957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can't check right now due to ppl sleeping in the next room and thin walls < 1224973962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may do it tomorrow < 1224974051 0 :peek_you!n=poiuyqwe@bas2-toronto47-1242435868.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1224974158 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, the hold-time before the tongue (in case of "t") is released is made longer. < 1224974396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's actually a Wikipedia English example -- in English gemination seems to occur mostly just across words -- for geminated 'k': "black coat", which is pronounced [blæˈkːoʊt]. So there's a single geminated 'k' sound, not two distinct 'k's. < 1224975330 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1224975350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you have any idea how to list open fds for a process? from inside gdb preferred < 1224975353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems impossible < 1224975483 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1224975499 0 :Asztal^_^!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1224975511 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1224975513 0 :Asztal^_^!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal < 1224975623 0 :kwertii!n=kwertii@c-71-202-121-102.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1224975775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heres how .name works - < 1224975780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you buy a.b.name, b.name is then reserved. < 1224975786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hird.name is reserved from someone.hird.name < 1224975844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can you register b.name directly? < 1224975848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if no one got a.b.name < 1224975851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1224975853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/got/has/ < 1224975869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then people can't register a.b.name, obviously) < 1224975949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but elliott.hird.name is appealing to me mostly for the elliott@hird.name tie-in < 1224976215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.getfirepow.com/ are all these "MAKE MONEY SOFTWARE COOL" sites made with the same software...? < 1224976224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all look identical < 1224976392 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night < 1224976395 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hum... Hum..." < 1224976465 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1224976469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if I had my surname I could get whatever@thatname.name < 1224976477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, you could < 1224976483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't get hird.name :-P < 1224976487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1224976488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's reserved < 1224976506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to someone else buying .hird.name < 1224976506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1224976508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it < 1224976511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might have been me < 1224976515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i used to own elliott.hird.name < 1224976545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1224976560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how expensive are .name? < 1224976575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same cost as most domains, though sometimes a little more expensive < 1224976595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know the normal cost < 1224976597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't own any domain < 1224976611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how do you pay for them since you are too young to have a credit card hm?) < 1224976612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm, about 79 kronor a year, i think < 1224976615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i might have got that wrong < 1224976632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well if you had pasted it in Euro or whatever I could have converted < 1224976639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i converted with google :-P < 1224976644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1224976647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, in the uk there's this silly cardy thingy for people 13 and over < 1224976654 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Usually just "ls -l /proc/pid/fd/" is enough on Linux. < 1224976668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called a "cash card". which, iirc, makes withdraws fail if you don't have enough money on it < 1224976669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is? Strange, I got my card around when I got 18 < 1224976674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not a proper credit card < 1224976674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(slightly before or after) < 1224976702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I have mine fail if I lack money on my account, no credit when I don't have stuff < 1224976705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd hate that < 1224976712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm thanks < 1224976717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and on openbsd? < 1224976723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I happen to use atm < 1224976726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that - actually i don't recall if my registrar supports those cardy things atm, been a while since i registered a domain - i used the "parental overlord registers + i pay back in cash" method < 1224976746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hehe < 1224976766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually my card is only valid in the cash machines, not for shopping with < 1224976791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking about it, i believe i've only ever made one transaction with that card since i got it in august < 1224976811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(buying an album from http://warpmart.com/, I think) < 1224976839 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, openbsd's /proc probably doesn't expose that info. It's somewhere in the kernel's data structures, obviously; it's been so long since my openbsd days that I don't really remember what sort of tools there were for digging it. < 1224976850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "lsof" has a "for this pid" mode, and I think it does openbsd too. < 1224976856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still remember the looks he got when he paid for a 4 digit camera using 3 digit paper money.
< 1224976866 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks out the Intellichat thingy
< 1224976870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: LOL :D < 1224976873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that was before I turned 18 < 1224976884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I look old for my age < 1224976891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always have < 1224976897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i look way younger < 1224976905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm about as tall as a 8-9 year old < 1224976914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most guess 22. I'm 18 < 1224976922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 19 in December < 1224976936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in cm? < 1224976944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't recall. < 1224976944 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People guess that I'm around 22. < 1224976946 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually 22. < 1224976947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"short cm". < 1224976950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, haha < 1224976959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, the php \ namespace separator won over: **, ^^, %%, :>, :), and ::: . < 1224976969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is wrong with :: ? < 1224976970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> i like the smilies :) < 1224976978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's used for ClassName::STATIC_VAR, I think < 1224976982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1224976987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about . ? < 1224976996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string concatenation (inherited from perl) < 1224976999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1224977005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> ? < 1224977005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, C++ does :: for ClassName::STATIC_VAR and has no problems using additional "foo::"s for namespaces. < 1224977009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: $obj->meth < 1224977011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah < 1224977020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: except php is, as i said, run by a bunch of bumbling retards < 1224977028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um... _ ? < 1224977030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably can't make the parser do that < 1224977034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: func_name() < 1224977038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, - < 1224977046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1 - 2 < 1224977053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok < 1224977057 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :§! < 1224977062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but func-name too < 1224977066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that? < 1224977070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look that isn't a - < 1224977074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in 1-2 < 1224977078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in a name < 1224977080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can't have func-name and 1 - 2 without insane parsing shit < 1224977085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dylan did it, so does xslt < 1224977087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work. < 1224977093 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm about as tall as a 8-9 year old < 1224977093 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, in cm? < 1224977093 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: 1 - 2 < 1224977097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err you can have - in function names in many languages < 1224977100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: lol < 1224977105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure scheme got it, oh wait yeah right < 1224977106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not the same languages with infix mathematics. < 1224977108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- is a function too < 1224977149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1224977172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about " ? < 1224977173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1224977177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"string" < 1224977178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I got a good idea < 1224977179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1224977183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# comment < 1224977194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought // was commend in php? < 1224977199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is #. < 1224977202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /* ... */. < 1224977204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1224977213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ ? < 1224977221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wasn't there some language that used ' as a separator? < 1224977222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@function(errors,will,be,silently,ignored) < 1224977229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok that is silly < 1224977235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¤ < 1224977236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: its because: < 1224977242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (!fopen(...)) < 1224977245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will yell to the browser the error < 1224977248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no exception structure < 1224977251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to do < 1224977256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (!@fopen(...)) < 1224977262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is silly still < 1224977264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¤ is not on most keyboards < 1224977269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes. < 1224977269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah true < 1224977270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1224977278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not" < 1224977286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (!foo) < 1224977287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1224977290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1224977293 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¤¤¤¤¤ < 1224977296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo?bar < 1224977297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a ? b : c < 1224977303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it got the C one < 1224977307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has. < 1224977325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haz* < 1224977342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hastur* < 1224977344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what oerjan said about ' above < 1224977347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++ < 1224977354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'string without interpolation' < 1224977362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpolation? < 1224977370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"$var and \n" < 1224977383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only knew what interpolation was for images... < 1224977391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as in perl then < 1224977396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about , ? < 1224977402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not in () < 1224977407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a, b, c; works I think < 1224977411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1224977411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1224977413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (a, b) < 1224977415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| < 1224977417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or & ? < 1224977428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit | masks & fuck_yeah < 1224977440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>< < 1224977470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1224977472 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes Javaa had a good syntax for saying "If this argument to the method is null, don't call the method but just result in null".
< 1224977476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a > b && b < c < 1224977485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no I mean a>< one token with higher priority than > < 1224977523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the lexer < 1224977523 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads up
< 1224977527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1224977529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1224977530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you think it has a proper lexer? < 1224977530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1224977534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a big mass of ad-hoc c < 1224977548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'd assume lex/yacc but I guess I were wrong < 1224977554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way. < 1224977569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about +++ < 1224977572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: $foo++ < 1224977576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going now, anyway. Bye. < 1224977582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1224977586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ans < 1224977587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and* < 1224977589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++ != ++ < 1224977591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1224977595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1224977597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sees ++ < 1224977598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's it < 1224977605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but if it sees a + then? < 1224977616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it think that can't be ++ ? < 1224977622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1224977643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1224977673 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Perl supports both :: and ', but the latter one is rather rarely used. One of the perldoc pages says which language ' comes from, but I can't find it. There was some sort of sentece about "I'll use :: so C++ programmers can pretend they know what's going on -- I could've used ' so that programmers ..." < 1224977712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but perl got an amazing parser, it has to or it couldn't handle that language < 1224977725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I'd use a single : < 1224977730 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have a nagging feeling that ' is from ADA < 1224977733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why double I don't understand < 1224977740 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, perlmod. < 1224977747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :io:format() or io::format() < 1224977750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks best? < 1224977752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the first one < 1224977755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was Ada, yes. < 1224977762 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was my recollection too, but couldn't be sure. < 1224977770 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then there is the great ML-family-vs-Miranda-family debate: : for cons and :: for type annotation, or ice-versa) < 1224977774 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vice < 1224977818 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the first one is reminiscent of one of those small crazy languages, like Io or such < 1224977824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[Using :: instead of '] also makes C++ programmers feel like they know what's going on--as opposed to using the single quote as separator, which was there to make Ada programmers feel like they knew what was going on." < 1224977828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, oh? < 1224977830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy? < 1224977831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that < 1224977838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took the : syntax from Erlang actually < 1224977840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for modules < 1224977847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Module:Function < 1224977863 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably got it from Prolog? < 1224977869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess so < 1224977879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what lang is Io? I heard the name before < 1224977887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more and more recently in fact < 1224977891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two languages by that name < 1224977916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the small, crazy and nearly esoteric one that few remember < 1224977932 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some object-oriented fancy thing < 1224977936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not on esolangs? < 1224977946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Io_(programming_language) is the only one on wikipedia < 1224977953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so which one did SimonRC mean? < 1224977961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can you tell me about the small crazy one < 1224977966 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember if Io is the one with omnipresent backtracking
< 1224977973 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the list monad being everywhere < 1224977986 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: no that's Icon < 1224978019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1224978028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me about the Io one that is small and crazy < 1224978033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a link too? < 1224978050 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's a link from the new IO to the old one iirc < 1224978092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not on their front page at least < 1224978123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm cannot find it < 1224978134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://iolanguage.com/issues/browse.cgi < 1224978135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1224978143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is written in IO it seems < 1224978145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their page seems to have changed a lot < 1224978145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and crashes < 1224978184 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, no Io is the smalltalk with the source code attitude of LISP < 1224978204 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. source code is a directly-accesible tree of objects that is trivil to manipulate < 1224978211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries way back machine
< 1224978216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: not the crazy one then < 1224978231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the _really_ crazy one, that is < 1224978237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anything useful on http://web.archive.org/web/20060613184339/www.iolanguage.com/about/ ? < 1224978290 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's in the faq < 1224978332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both the links in there are to wayback < 1224978354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait i'm reading _in_ wayback < 1224978368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1224978374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find it on the new one < 1224978379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that link works < 1224978438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amalthea was from the esolang community iirc < 1224978451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? One of us? < 1224978453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1224978464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or from the older mailing list < 1224978475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1224978528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guldheden.com/~sandin/amalthea.html < 1224978534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still exists < 1224978568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1224978648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm seems to be coded in ocaml < 1224978660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably should try to learn that language one day < 1224978664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks interesting < 1224978671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o?caml that is < 1224978689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it suggests using CamlCase... < 1224978731 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite remember < 1224978741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be rather funny if it did < 1224978746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I prefer underscore < 1224978850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two ;; for ending statements!? < 1224978877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ocaml? yeah it's ugly < 1224978889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok, I don't want to learn it < 1224978907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly syntax, but nice idea/implementation < 1224978919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an improved syntax using its preprocessor iirc < 1224979008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F# the .NET language is based on ocaml and i vaguely recall (from discussions) that it has an improved syntax too < 1224979009 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Abandonando" < 1224979101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, F# is horrible, I checked it out a bit ago (just checked examples on wikipedia page) < 1224979134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1224979179 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: horrible? how?