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02:52:18 <Chase-san> Think there are simpler ways to do bitwise and bitshift operations in bf. (I can do bitshift with multiplication and division, but bitwise or and and xor still evade me)
02:53:59 <Chase-san> Anyone have an ideas on how to do the bitwise in bf (even using multiplication division etc)
02:56:37 <Chase-san> aside from the really long way <.<
02:57:02 <Chase-san> (ergo seperating out every bit, checking each bit and then putting it all back togeather again)
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03:06:37 <pikhq> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_algorithms
03:12:07 <lament> but with three ands, you don't need commas
03:12:18 <lament> "or and and and xor" is perfect english
03:12:30 <pikhq> jayCampbell: | && ^ ?
03:15:22 <pikhq> true/false, where true=1 and false=0.
03:16:10 <Chase-san> you can't do that in some languages (its a nice shortcut though)
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03:16:39 <Chase-san> not sure what negative values are treated as
03:16:41 <jayCampbell> foo where bar had had had had had had had had had had been the correct response
03:17:26 <jayCampbell> Foo, where Bar had had "had," had had "had had." "Had had" had been the correct response.
03:17:35 <Chase-san> but now you force me to continue on
03:17:40 <pikhq> Chase-san They're cast to unsigned first.
03:18:01 <jayCampbell> ruby's idea of false keeps making me grumble
03:19:50 <jayCampbell> -1, 0, empty lists, empty strings .. are all true
03:20:26 <jayCampbell> basically only useful for checking failed hash matches
03:20:39 <Chase-san> I am trying to come up with a neat way to optimize loops in my bf interpreter, but all I can think of is a type of Artificial Nueron, but I don't feel like implimenting that. :(
03:22:15 <jayCampbell> false and nil are the only non-true concepts without a value
03:22:35 <jayCampbell> hm value isn't even the right word, because they're both valid right-handers
03:23:30 <jayCampbell> the most unintentionally poetic line of my year
03:34:31 <Chase-san> random question, how do you guys get motivated to work on something you don't really want to work on
03:39:18 <Chase-san> how do you get motivated to do those things?
03:39:30 <jayCampbell> why do you think you want to do the project?
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11:59:19 <Pyramidhead> http://www.redbubble.com/people/butcherbrand/clothing/424598-6-love-machine-9000
11:59:42 <Pyramidhead> Someone violated the copyright registered trademark patent of the Love Machine 9000 >:|
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12:12:57 <ehird> <jayCampbell> earlier i typed: cat = cats.pop.pop
12:13:22 <oerjan> better than cats.pop.poop
12:15:41 <oerjan> popcorn. made from cats.
12:16:02 <Slereah> It's pop music, made by cats.
12:16:14 <Slereah> Like "Cat-fu fighting" by Kawaii Kenji
12:16:21 <oerjan> corny pop music, or is that redundant?
12:19:43 <Slereah> meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow
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12:20:07 <Slereah> Well, the translation is much more deeper.
12:20:33 <oerjan> i c a cat food commercial?
12:21:04 <Slereah> You never heard the meow mix song? :o
12:21:26 <Slereah> http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=5JuVHCJVYf4
12:21:38 <Slereah> Come on, it was even on the Simpsons!
12:22:29 <oerjan> i don't watch television
12:22:49 <Slereah> But I still watch the Simpsons
12:23:20 <oerjan> also, those weren't cats singing
12:23:31 <Slereah> HOW DARE YOU CALL THEM LIARS
12:23:41 <Slereah> YOU HAVE A LOT OF CHUTZPAH
12:24:23 <oerjan> i have a lifetime subscription of that
12:28:47 <oerjan> i refuse to be taken in by catfood commercials unless they're narrated by _real_ cats
12:29:01 <oerjan> i don't want to fooled, no sir
12:29:47 <oerjan> something to tell my grandchildren, if i expected to have any
12:43:01 <Slereah> Cats will tell your grand children
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16:41:42 <GregorR> I don't trust canned cat food that isn't made from food cats eat in the wild.
16:41:57 <GregorR> I still want to find the roach and spider bits in rat gravy cat food.
16:42:00 <GregorR> I'm sure Tia would love it.
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17:58:03 <jayCampbell> random brainfuck code generators tend to create ABBA as their first recognizeable output, fyi
18:00:33 <Mony> ABBA like.... Mony Mony Mony, must be funny
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18:08:05 <ehird> jayCampbell: haha, why?
18:08:35 <ais523> +ul (thutubot, you here?)S
18:08:39 <ehird> someone restart it
18:08:56 <oerjan> wherefore art thou, optbot?
18:10:53 <jayCampbell> ehird, to test bf interpreters .. bff4 is fast but has poor bounds checking f'rinstance
18:11:58 <ehird> jayCampbell: i mean
18:12:01 <ehird> jayCampbell: why do they produce abba
18:12:35 <ehird> but why abba in particular?
18:12:37 <jayCampbell> as soon as you hit A, print, increment, print, print, decrement, print
18:12:53 <jayCampbell> as opposed to the operations required to print QWERTY
18:13:02 <ehird> jayCampbell: surely A should be printed first
18:13:47 <jayCampbell> since the output of so many of these runs is identical
18:14:49 <jayCampbell> in the end i'll probably base this on the python bf interpreter so the harness doesn't have to boot a separate interpreter process
18:15:05 <jayCampbell> and i'll be able to add in cycle and output limits
18:16:35 <jayCampbell> trying to decide whether to make the programmer create his fitness tests in bf
18:20:53 <ehird> jayCampbell: how does your generator work?
18:21:01 <ehird> just pick +-,.<> or loop?
18:21:10 <ehird> and then stick those in, for a loop stick [, random prorgam, ]?
18:21:16 <ehird> and then stop randomly?
18:28:51 <jayCampbell> the last batch had no input and a loop depth limit of 1
18:44:34 <jayCampbell> if nothing else, i'm going to brute force useful snippets that use no looping
18:45:19 <jayCampbell> if that works out i'll try feeding known inputs and make loopless utility functions
18:45:24 <ehird> jayCampbell: i'm going to write a copy of that
18:45:27 <ehird> btw, have you tried bff?
18:45:35 <ehird> its not as fast as bff4 but it's fast
18:46:25 <jayCampbell> fast boot is more important than fast execution in this case
18:46:50 <jayCampbell> one of the high level language implementations might give me better overall speed
18:46:56 <ehird> jayCampbell: http://swapped.cc/bf/
18:48:20 <jayCampbell> how well does it handle malformed programs
18:48:31 <ehird> jayCampbell: well, I believe
18:48:47 <ehird> use the makefile that comes with it
18:49:29 <ehird> % time (echo '['|./bff)
18:49:30 <ehird> bff: no matching ]
18:49:30 <ehird> (; echo '[' | ./bff; ) 0.00s user 0.00s system 77% cpu 0.006 total
18:51:48 <oerjan> jayCampbell: you may also consider loops with matching <>, then you can calculate the bounds of tape used
18:52:48 <jayCampbell> i won't care unless its output is interesting
18:53:17 <jayCampbell> it can't swamp my machine in the 1 second max i give it
18:53:43 <oerjan> i mean to avoid segfaults
18:54:17 <jayCampbell> or supply exactly enough input to satisfy the reads
18:54:47 <ehird> jayCampbell: how do you handle timeouts?
18:54:48 <jayCampbell> but the joy of this was just mashing random characters together
18:54:50 <ehird> just run it for <1 second?
18:55:05 <ehird> jayCampbell: ah, multithreaded
18:55:12 <ehird> you can probably run 30 brainfuck programs for 1 second at once
18:56:15 <jayCampbell> but yeah, this is way easier than constructing random but valid perl
18:56:56 <ehird> jayCampbell: do you do it deterministically, or just random?
18:58:29 <jayCampbell> perl, random action, which sometimes means adding matching braces or parens or etc
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18:59:56 <jayCampbell> system "echo '#{program}' | ./bff |head -c1000 >outputs/#{m} 2>/dev/null"
19:02:36 <fungot> oerjan: it has gone down already ( my thermometer has run out of " dogface" advocates atheism. is the same as
19:03:12 <fungot> oerjan: no man, i'm feeling a bit overall-confused, been implementing oklotalk a bit too oriented towards java's excuse for oo. i learned over the course of two hours.
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19:04:19 <oerjan> fungot: i'm sure oklopol wouldn't recommend that
19:04:19 <fungot> oerjan: sounds quite interesting
19:16:47 <ais523> summary of the discussion: is setting SIGPIPE to ignore a good idea?
19:18:11 <ais523> is a Funge-98 program that does what the yes command does
19:18:19 <ais523> if I pipe that into head, should it exit?
19:19:15 <ehird> ais523: yes it should.
19:19:25 <AnMaster> yes, it should detect the reflect and exit
19:19:25 <ais523> that's what I think too
19:19:35 <ais523> nope, that program doesn't detect reflections
19:19:37 <ais523> but it should exit anyway
19:19:45 <ais523> why should , reflect when writing into a blocked pipe?
19:19:47 <ehird> it should exit with an error
19:20:17 <ehird> because both python and ruby do it
19:20:20 <ehird> -e:1:in `write': Broken pipe (Errno::EPIPE)
19:20:23 <ehird> Traceback (most recent call last):
19:20:23 <ehird> File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
19:20:23 <ehird> IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe
19:20:46 <AnMaster> "These instructions will act as r does, should the standard output fail for any reason."
19:20:49 <AnMaster> http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/doc/funge98.html#Stdio
19:21:05 <AnMaster> no the interpreter shouldn't exit
19:21:16 <ais523> is that standard output failure?
19:21:42 <AnMaster> ais523, so doing anything else would break the specs too
19:21:47 <AnMaster> something I'm not prepared to do
19:22:22 <ais523> I had the linked page open before you linked it, by the way
19:22:25 <AnMaster> ais523, also both of ehird's examples,seemed to throw exceptions
19:22:35 <ais523> and ok, that's interesting
19:22:43 <ehird> since the IO, to stdout, failed
19:22:49 <ehird> just like a read from stdin fails after EOF
19:23:02 <AnMaster> ehird, think of reflect as funge exception then
19:23:19 <AnMaster> yes and that is what the specs say
19:24:23 <AnMaster> ais523, so in summary, that yes program should have been:
19:26:28 <ais523> and longer, and less useful
19:26:44 <AnMaster> ais523, both those examples are equally long
19:27:21 <ais523> and also correct, that's how you'd write it in C
19:27:31 <AnMaster> ais523, well, but see http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/doc/funge98.html#Stdio
19:27:45 <ais523> personally I think writing to a closed pipe isn't output failing
19:27:47 <AnMaster> ais523, I'm not going to change cfunge in a way that breaks the spec
19:27:50 <ais523> that's completely against the UNIX philosophy
19:27:55 <ais523> it's output succeeding, just going nowhere
19:27:57 <ehird> your unix philosophy is broken
19:28:04 <ais523> and the program that writes is closed in order to save time and processor cycles
19:28:04 <ehird> since that is exactly how it behaves
19:28:20 <ehird> AnMaster: how the fuck did you get off my ignore list?
19:28:21 <ais523> ehird: are cat file.txt | head and head < file.txt identical?
19:28:32 <AnMaster> ehird, no clue, I guess you unignored me
19:28:35 <ais523> no, they aren't, in your interpretation
19:28:36 <AnMaster> I certainly didn't change anything
19:28:39 <ehird> AnMaster: i'm not that idiotic
19:28:54 <AnMaster> ehird, well I didn't change ident or anything
19:28:57 <ais523> because the second one, standard input to head clearly works correctly
19:28:59 <AnMaster> maybe a bug in your client or something
19:29:14 <ais523> the first, standard output from cat, according to you, stops working when head ends
19:29:19 <ais523> it doesn't, it's just that cat is SIGPIPEd
19:29:20 <ehird> AnMaster: no, i was ignoring you via nickname.
19:29:24 <ais523> which is the reason SIGPIPE works
19:29:30 <AnMaster> ehird, well my nick is still the same
19:30:53 <oerjan> ehird: clearly you have been sleepunignoring
19:30:54 <AnMaster> ais523, and no cat file.txt | head and head < file.txt aren't identical. One only uses bash/shell, the other invokes cat
19:31:12 <ehird> <AnMaster> ais523, and no cat file.txt | head and head < file.txt aren't identical. One only uses bash/shell, the other invokes cat
19:31:15 <ehird> ^ not really fucking obvious
19:31:22 <ehird> to a tedious degree. nope
19:31:39 <oklopol> they're different, the latter one doesn't have a "c" for instance.
19:31:59 <oklopol> it's the *first* character
19:32:16 <oklopol> (no, all implementations of cat start with "c", actually)
19:32:20 <AnMaster> jayCampbell, hm where have I seen that name before...
19:32:30 <ehird> AnMaster: he's a b player.
19:32:52 <AnMaster> ehird, ah I think I may have had a look at their website once before
19:32:54 <ehird> jayCampbell: AnMaster only ever played one nomic, me/ais523/ihope (defacto founders)'s IRCNomic
19:33:02 <ehird> he wasn't very good at it (imo.)
19:33:08 <ehird> so i dunno how he's seen your name
19:33:10 <ais523> ehird: just on the opposite side of the big argument to you
19:33:25 <ehird> ais523: i wasn't talking about that
19:33:27 <ais523> oklopol: doesn't the standard C implementation of cat start with #
19:33:38 <ehird> i was talking about how he would oppose every change that wasn't utilitarianly sensible
19:33:45 <ehird> to the highest degree
19:33:50 <AnMaster> ais523, um? It could start with /* I guess
19:33:56 <ais523> I was wondering about that
19:34:07 <oerjan> ais523: just on the opposite side of _every_ argument, Miss Sophie
19:34:11 <ais523> does the standard C implementation of cat have a particular licence?
19:34:14 <oklopol> ais523: no the *name* of every cat starts with a "c"
19:34:17 <jayCampbell> some cats buffer all their input, which can allow more execution to happen than head<foo.txt
19:35:07 <oerjan> why does all discussion on this channel turn to cats these days?
19:35:08 <jayCampbell> you'll see it when guys try to reimplement the standard unix command set in scripting languages
19:35:24 <AnMaster> jayCampbell, I know head foo.txt is best ;P
19:35:58 <ehird> AnMaster: har har har
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19:36:27 <oklopol> oerjan: why does all discussion on this channel turn to wondering why all discussion turns to things these days these days?
19:37:07 <ais523> ^bf ,[.,]!oh dear, it seems BF has no way to handle SIGPIPE
19:37:07 <fungot> oh dear, it seems BF has no way to handle SIGPIPE
19:37:11 <oerjan> oklopol: why does every snarky comment end up containing stupid typos these days?
19:37:24 <oklopol> oerjan: that makes no sense without a typo
19:38:08 <oerjan> but that was your typo too
19:38:22 <AnMaster> <ais523> ^bf ,[.,]!oh dear, it seems BF has no way to handle SIG <-- what about it?
19:38:38 <ais523> AnMaster: BF cat programs seem to work fine
19:38:58 <ais523> say you're writing a BF interp in funge-98, would you handle reflection in ,
19:39:10 <AnMaster> ais523, you would have to in your , yes
19:39:29 <ais523> how many people check , for reflections in Funge programs
19:39:35 <ais523> does Mycology, for instance
19:39:38 <ais523> and no, it's , in Befunge
19:39:57 <AnMaster> ais523, well, I don't know who checks it, but I'm not going to break the specs
19:40:06 <AnMaster> I fully agree with ehird there
19:40:22 <oerjan> the universe is collapsing!
19:40:26 <ehird> i'd break the spec if the spec is wrong.
19:40:32 <oklopol> oerjan: stop making a scene!
19:40:43 <ais523> does Mycology check for reflections from ,
19:40:54 <AnMaster> ais523, don't know, but if it doesn't it is it's own issue
19:41:05 <oerjan> oklopol: it was just an apparent agreement between AnMaster and ehird. fortunately it was overrated. only AnMaster thought they agreed.
19:41:32 <AnMaster> ais523, nothing is going to make me break the spec on this issue
19:41:35 <oklopol> yes, which is actually a higher level of disagreement.
19:41:39 <AnMaster> also it would break various fingerprints
19:41:40 <oerjan> so the universe still exists, for the time being.
19:42:40 <ais523> the universe will collapse if oerjan blinks?
19:42:45 <ais523> wow, I didn't know oerjan could do that...
19:42:48 <oerjan> too late. are we in a new universe now?
19:42:58 <AnMaster> ais523, no, common misunderstanding
19:43:07 <AnMaster> it will collapse the wave function thingy
19:43:42 <oklopol> my dad's scientist friend said the world actually *oscillates* between the wave form and the particle form.
19:43:59 <oerjan> http://www.mezzacotta.net/singles/collapse_a_wavefunction.php
19:44:22 <oklopol> AnMaster: when you blink too, pretty much all the time.
19:44:27 <AnMaster> oerjan, what if you had javascript off when you clicked and nothing happened?
19:45:08 <oerjan> AnMaster: it requires javascript?
19:46:21 <ehird> what if you click both buttons simultaneously
19:46:38 <oerjan> AnMaster: i think that means you change from Fermi-Dirac statistics to Bose-Einstein statistics, as your cases then become indistinguishable
19:46:51 <Sgeo> Not sure that that sort of decision is one where there is actually random stuff going on in the brain
19:46:54 <oerjan> try using it to make a laser
19:47:42 <oerjan> oklopol: i think that means you dad's scientist friend is not _particularly_ clever
19:49:26 <oerjan> or wait the cases are indistuingishable in Fermi-Dirac statistics too, it's just swapping the cases which isn't
19:50:24 <oerjan> ehird: but if you click both buttons simultaneously and nothing happens, that should prove it's Fermi-Dirac
19:50:50 <oerjan> since two identical cases cancel
19:51:37 <oklopol> http://web.petrsu.ru/~alexk/list_of_publications/ <<< dunno if he's clever, but i find this an impressive list
19:51:41 <oerjan> now excuse me while i go recalibrating my death ray
19:52:40 <AnMaster> oklopol, those seem to be biology/medicine
19:52:43 <oklopol> half of that is parapsychology afaik, but i think there's some serious stuff too
19:53:27 <oklopol> 2.5 Kaivarainen A. Application of Hierarchic Concept of Matter and Wave-Particle Duality Model for Explanation of "Biological" and "Informational" Fields Emergency (paper). Proceedings of the Second Annual Advanced Water Sciences Symposium October 4-6, 1996 Dallas, Texas, USA.
19:53:46 <Slereah> This sounds a lot like pseudoscience
19:54:13 <oklopol> he believes in ghosts, homeopathy, and that speed of light is not the maximum attainable speed.
19:54:24 <oklopol> dunno, i can't raed his writings
19:54:24 <ehird> oklopol: he's an idiot
19:54:35 <ehird> ok, so the last one could be true if all the physics we know is wrong
19:54:41 <Slereah> DON'T YOU KNOW GHOSTS ARE REAL OKLOPOL?
19:54:44 <ehird> and the former is ...
19:54:54 <ehird> but homeopathy is provably bullshit
19:54:57 <Slereah> What happens when a ghost dies?
19:54:59 <AnMaster> ehird, ghosts could be true if everything else we know are wrong as well
19:55:06 <oerjan> Slereah: rebirth. sheesh.
19:55:07 <Slereah> Does it make a ghost ghost?
19:55:28 <ehird> AnMaster: Well, what about reasonable (i.e. not creation-science nonsense) christian scientists?
19:55:42 <ehird> they believe in similarly silly stuff, I don't think it makes their _science_ any less reasonable
19:56:13 <ehird> but um yeah that guy sounds like a crackpot
19:56:21 <ehird> Evidence for mobility of immunoglobulins domains obtained by spin-label method.
19:56:26 <ehird> immunoglobulins, man
19:56:54 <Slereah> So I won't say anything about this
19:57:22 <oklopol> hard to say anything really, i don't understand a word of that.
19:58:04 <oerjan> immunoglobulins sounds like it could exist
19:58:20 <oklopol> a swedish scientist recently contacted him about a theory of his about the form of the electron
19:58:38 <Slereah> Is it shaped like a mystical symbol?
19:58:39 <oklopol> said he had made the exact same conclusion in his experiments
19:58:39 <oerjan> == antibodies, says wp
19:59:27 <AnMaster> <ehird> AnMaster: Well, what about reasonable (i.e. not creation-science nonsense) christian scientists? <-- I don't know enough about them to be able to answer that question
19:59:43 <ehird> jayCampbell: careful, AnMaster will whine for days if you talk about timecube
19:59:54 <Slereah> That's because he's educated stupid
20:00:24 <oerjan> that's not the frying pan that's the flyswatter
20:00:44 <oerjan> This is the frying pan ===\__/
20:00:45 <AnMaster> that explains why it was so light
20:01:04 * AnMaster borrows the frying pan too and use it on jayCampbell ===\__/
20:01:23 * AnMaster gives oerjan the frying pan and the fly swatter bacjk
20:02:09 <oerjan> bulked again ===\/\/ :(
20:02:22 <oklopol> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
20:02:31 * ais523 hits oerjan with a smiley :)
20:02:51 <oklopol> my :------------D's make more damage
20:03:07 <oklopol> hard to say without the spaces
20:03:26 <oerjan> Slereah: you have a strange nose
20:03:41 <jayCampbell> you never should have abandoned fixed width fonts
20:04:24 <oklopol> non-fixed size fonts make no sense
20:04:44 <oklopol> my irc client sucks, it's a naughty irc client.
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20:04:56 <Slereah> ........................._,;f`.......................,$@@@@#g,..............\,
20:04:57 <Slereah> ....................,/*&gp..+,_..................%*#@@@@g;,............\,
20:04:59 <Slereah> ................,./_`>.....`#$$#x;,............,%@@@@@#g;,..........`\
20:05:01 <Slereah> ..............,/ (.............`\....`\*=,``\.......*&*%@@@@@g;,..........\
20:05:03 <Slereah> ...........,/...,^=*#q,_,/`\.......`~..`-.......g$@@@@@@@#g,........|
20:05:05 <Slereah> ........../,;p8jq;,_..........;.........................`%@@@@@@@#g;....|
20:05:07 <Slereah> ........,/.f,,,,_..`*8r-,.....;......................,&@@@@@@@@@#./
20:05:07 <oklopol> Slereah: so... did you read any of the physics articles?
20:05:09 <Slereah> ......./.,$ `\,...`.-...&..../........................`%@@@@@@@@$#/
20:05:11 <Slereah> .....,/,$--__........`\..../............................#$@@@##@@@@/
20:05:13 <Slereah> ...,/\...`t-,__,;>`..../.........................................;`==.`;@#*
20:05:15 <Slereah> .,/....`~--~`....-`...................................,--,~#-,.._*`
20:05:17 <Slereah> (..........................................................,....`......,;`
20:05:19 <Slereah> .`\,_.....................................................&`*-,,_-`
20:05:21 <Slereah> .......`-,_................................................./
20:05:23 <Slereah> .............\..................................................|.
20:05:49 <ais523> Slereah: is that in latin-1, some of the chars don't come out properly and my client's set to utf-8
20:06:25 <Slereah> lament : Actually, in this movie, Batman is watching an old love interest
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20:14:53 <AnMaster> <jayCampbell> you never should have abandoned fixed width fonts <-- who would have done that?
20:16:09 <oklopol> ehird: you're stuppit i hate you :<
20:16:16 <ehird> i hate you too oklopol
20:16:26 <oklopol> i hate you always one more
20:16:56 <ehird> ais523: "MARRY ME OKLOPOL BECAUSE YOU ARE STUPPID AND HATEWORTHY LIKE ME"
20:18:34 <AnMaster> anyway whatever it was Slereah posted above is just odd
20:19:03 <AnMaster> the lines doesn't even match up
20:19:36 <ehird> looked like one in this font.
20:19:37 <Slereah> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Grieving_Jew
20:19:52 <AnMaster> Slereah, what is it with you and yews?
20:20:47 <ehird> AnMaster: Shut up, yazi.
20:21:13 <ais523> hang on, this is IRC, how do I lock the thread?
20:21:20 <ais523> ----------------------------------------- THREAD LOCKED -----------------------------------------
20:21:25 <ais523> now to talk about something else
20:21:35 <ehird> ais523: yeah, silence the TRUTH ABOUT YAZIS
20:21:36 <ais523> ehird: stop resurrecting dead threads in a new thread
20:22:01 <ais523> +ul (a):*:*:*:*:*:*(:)~^S
20:22:01 <thutubot> ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ...too much output!
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20:24:13 <oerjan> your yoke is not funny
20:25:13 <oerjan> eggs don't have yokes, they have yolks
20:25:34 <AnMaster> oerjan, what? I use a yoystick not a yoke
20:25:56 <oerjan> on yoyous occasions, i assume
20:25:57 <AnMaster> Slereah, yoke is a control found in aircrafts
20:26:14 <AnMaster> oerjan, nah I'm just a flightsim fan
20:26:27 <AnMaster> so I do it even if it isn't a yoyous occasion
20:26:28 <ehird> yews yews yews yews yews
20:26:42 <oerjan> that's not the orginal meaning of yoke
20:26:54 <oerjan> yokes are for yaks and yoxen
20:27:17 <ehird> +ul ((yews )S:^):^
20:27:17 <thutubot> yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews ...too much output!
20:27:36 <AnMaster> oerjan, http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Ayoke
20:28:01 <AnMaster> oerjan, seems it have lots of meanings
20:34:01 <oerjan> you do a lot of wobbling
20:35:46 <ais523> routers here are either dodgy, or paranoid, I think
20:36:00 <ais523> it normally takes me about 5 mins to convince them I'm allowed on the network
20:36:18 <oerjan> why not both? </dogbert>
20:41:15 <oerjan> AnMaster: he is afraid it'll work as well as the doors
20:41:46 <ais523> btw, the Door is broken again, physically this time
20:43:17 <oerjan> maybe try an exorcist this time
20:43:28 <ais523> probably we need a door engineer
20:43:40 * ais523 is amused at how badly you can mess up a door, I mean it's only a door...
20:44:44 <AnMaster> ais523, the door is broken? How did you get in then?
20:45:14 <ais523> there are three doors, all of which lead to different problems
20:45:16 <ais523> there is the Door, the main one
20:45:37 <ais523> then there's the back door, which lets people out any time of day but only in during working hours, that's the one I got in via
20:46:00 <ais523> and then there's the basement door which needs a swipe card to get through in either direction, and most of the time it isn't configured to let anyone through
20:46:55 <oerjan> and then there are the two doors guarded by a knight and a knave
20:47:31 <ais523> I haven't found those yet, but if I do, I should be able to get through easily, I've read most of Smullyan's stuff
20:47:51 <oerjan> ais523: unless they are the xkcd kinds
20:48:03 <ais523> I don't know the xkcd kind of knight/knave door
20:49:13 <ehird> ais523: there is a third person
20:49:16 <ehird> who stabs people who ask tricky questions
20:49:21 <ehird> also, there is no way out.
20:50:04 <ais523> anyway, the question "If I asked you if this is a safe door to go through, what would you say?" is a good trick to solve most of the puzzles of that nature
20:50:25 <ais523> and isn't even exactly a tricky question, people do that sort of thing in RL on occasion
20:50:34 <ehird> you always get the right answer, right?
20:50:43 <ais523> because if they would lie, they lie twice
20:50:56 <ehird> i always thought of really complex solutions to those
20:55:37 <Sgeo> http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0327.html
20:58:11 <oerjan> http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0565.html
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21:00:09 <ehird> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=807#comic
21:10:24 <ehird> http://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/7b9gb/be_careful_what_you_wish_for/c066k4b
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21:29:40 <ais523> sorry, I accidentally got trapped in a room with some unary operators
21:29:46 <ais523> good thing I didn't hit the bitwise-NOT
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21:30:30 <oerjan> a hex! burn the witch!
21:36:16 <Slereah> And what do you burn apart from witches?
21:39:00 <oerjan> books, small animals, yews...
21:40:35 <ais523> CDs of open-source operating systems, mostly
21:41:16 <oerjan> that's something everyone can agree on
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22:33:02 <ais523> oklopol: what are you winking at out of the blue?
22:33:41 <Slereah> He's signaling his presence to the gay male, psygnisfive
22:33:59 <ais523> in just two characters? that's pretty golfy
22:34:57 <olsner> gay golf? that's a new one
22:35:22 <Slereah> Let's do a "Hello, sailor!" in gay golf
22:36:58 <olsner> I don't think you could get much shorter than oklopol's ";)" though
22:37:22 <oklopol> i just read 3 pages of random bash content, and you made me laugh more without even trying.
22:37:27 <Slereah> Isn't there an unicode penis character?
22:37:31 <ais523> oklopol: bash is working again?
22:37:47 <oklopol> don't know about again, but it's working, yes
22:38:17 <ais523> it was broken for ages
22:39:00 <Slereah> Bash is pretty infuriating on one point
22:39:10 <Slereah> The number one quote is incredibly lame
22:39:56 <oklopol> we've done that multiple times in here, often for multiple pages.
22:40:15 <oklopol> didn't know that was on top
22:41:22 <oklopol> the next ones are pretty good
22:41:45 <Slereah> For some reason, the top quotes are meg
22:43:51 <oklopol> dunno, those are at least theoretically funny, although i didn't exactly laught at them; most of bash it complete utter bullshit that makes me want to eat coal and poop diamonds
22:44:25 <Slereah> Well, then again, is there any moment when you don't feel like that
22:48:10 <oklopol> ohh looks like it's time to sleap
22:57:38 <jayCampbell> http://shup.com/Shup/78118/screencap-Unnamed-document-4-Inkscape-108104145651.png
22:58:26 <Slereah> Much better than that lazy bird logo by that talentless hack
22:58:41 <Slereah> Most esolangs lack a good logo
22:58:47 <jayCampbell> this happens when i'm in boring conference calls
22:59:41 <jayCampbell> a languages logo should not have a larger file size than its compiler, documentation and all known example code
23:02:56 <ehird> Slereah: Much better than that lazy bird logo by that talentless hack
23:02:56 <ehird> [22:58] Slereah: YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE
23:03:23 <Slereah> I tried to make a real logo
23:03:31 <Slereah> From the silhouette of a mockingbird
23:03:35 <Slereah> But I am also talentless :(
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23:07:40 <ehird> jayCampbell: its townsberg
23:08:00 <Slereah> DELETE THIS PICTURE, IT IS WRONG
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23:23:33 <Slereah> Townsvilole is the sister city of Townsberg
23:23:40 <Slereah> But they program in Brainfuck
23:23:54 <jayCampbell> http://shup.com/Shup/78119/screencap-CDocuments-and-SettingsjayDesktop3code-programming-language-logo.svg-Inkscape-108104152316.png
23:24:07 <jayCampbell> i was going for Jeans and wound up with American McDonald's
23:25:19 <jayCampbell> can't help but round out this guy's esolang logo collection
23:25:32 <Slereah> Why would I want to own the logo of a language you made up?
23:33:55 <ehird> jayCampbell: did the townsville people vote obama or mccain?
23:34:01 <ehird> or Mayorpopple The Third
23:34:12 <ehird> Comedy option: Ron Paul
23:35:01 <Slereah> The comedy option is this : http://www.objectivistparty.us/
23:40:33 <ehird> Slereah: write-in ron paul, DUH
23:40:38 <ehird> but yes, objectivist party is hilarious
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23:55:56 <ehird> So. Who here is able to vote in the US, and who voted? :-P