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(I can do bitshift with multiplication and division, but bitwise or and and xor still evade me) 02:53:59 Anyone have an ideas on how to do the bitwise in bf (even using multiplication division etc) 02:56:37 aside from the really long way <.< 02:57:02 (ergo seperating out every bit, checking each bit and then putting it all back togeather again) 03:06:25 -!- moozilla has joined. 03:06:37 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_algorithms 03:06:52 ? 03:08:43 bitwise or and and xor 03:09:21 yes bitwise 03:09:23 not boolean 03:09:43 it was just a fun sentence to parse 03:09:56 heh thanks 03:11:20 or and and and xor 03:11:40 I only had 2 ands 03:11:46 or and and xor 03:11:54 that needs commas 03:11:57 or, and, and xor 03:12:07 but with three ands, you don't need commas 03:12:07 comma are writers :) 03:12:18 "or and and and xor" is perfect english 03:12:30 jayCampbell: | && ^ ? 03:12:34 hah perhaps so 03:13:24 pikhq & && | && ^ 03:13:40 :) 03:14:45 guys 03:14:50 does > return true/false or 0/1? 03:14:55 in C 03:15:22 true/false, where true=1 and false=0. 03:15:24 I think 0 and 1 03:15:24 :p 03:15:49 ok. 03:15:52 in C 0=false and >1=true 03:16:10 you can't do that in some languages (its a nice shortcut though) 03:16:25 right 03:16:35 -!- metazilla has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:16:39 not sure what negative values are treated as 03:16:41 foo where bar had had had had had had had had had had been the correct response 03:17:20 ok you can stop now chase 03:17:26 Foo, where Bar had had "had," had had "had had." "Had had" had been the correct response. 03:17:29 I was already done 03:17:35 but now you force me to continue on 03:17:36 i just needed to know what i asked. :P 03:17:40 Chase-san They're cast to unsigned first. 03:17:43 im not programming in c. 03:18:00 I don't program in c either 03:18:01 ruby's idea of false keeps making me grumble 03:18:14 which is ruby's idea? 03:18:17 nil right? 03:18:18 I used to though :/ 03:18:21 t/nil 03:18:24 or wa that lisp 03:18:29 thats lisp 03:18:33 ruby is true/false?? 03:19:27 nil and false are false 03:19:50 -1, 0, empty lists, empty strings .. are all true 03:20:16 makes sense 03:20:26 basically only useful for checking failed hash matches 03:20:28 nil being a non-value 03:20:30 and false being false 03:20:34 everything else being a value 03:20:36 thus true 03:20:39 I am trying to come up with a neat way to optimize loops in my bf interpreter, but all I can think of is a type of Artificial Nueron, but I don't feel like implimenting that. :( 03:20:41 yes 03:21:17 except "everything else being an object" 03:21:33 everything is an object yes 03:21:36 even nil! :o 03:22:02 i think you're more correct then, value 03:22:15 false and nil are the only non-true concepts without a value 03:22:35 hm value isn't even the right word, because they're both valid right-handers 03:22:40 yeah 03:22:40 anyway 03:22:50 they're just falsey 03:23:11 earlier i typed: cat = cats.pop.pop 03:23:30 the most unintentionally poetic line of my year 03:23:43 it just rolls off the tongue 03:24:23 cats equals cats pop pop 03:24:49 chigga chigga mow mow 03:28:42 woggle woggle bow out 03:32:07 hem 03:34:31 random question, how do you guys get motivated to work on something you don't really want to work on 03:36:51 quit, honestly 03:36:57 meh 03:37:06 wish things we're that simple 03:37:52 decide you're doing it for other reasons 03:38:02 just do one step at a time 03:38:07 break the task down into smaller steps 03:38:20 determine a reward if you finish 03:38:31 collaborate 03:38:41 redefine the scope of the project 03:38:46 I think Ihave read that website 03:38:50 hee 03:39:02 they're true 03:39:18 how do you get motivated to do those things? 03:39:18 see what sticks 03:39:24 xD 03:39:30 why do you think you want to do the project? 03:39:43 do you really want to want to want to? 03:40:03 i want to want to want to quit smoking 03:40:15 but no more 03:40:49 heh, not helpful but kay 04:03:19 -!- Chase-san has left (?). 05:20:06 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 05:57:04 mΓΆrn 06:03:19 g'pie -> 06:12:02 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Ex-Chat"). 06:14:19 -!- metazilla has joined. 06:14:21 -!- moozilla has quit (Nick collision from services.). 07:07:55 -!- GregorR has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 07:08:30 -!- GregorR has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:14:37 -!- oerjan has joined. 08:20:54 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving"). 08:28:55 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("Unisex."). 09:11:17 -!- metazilla has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 09:11:33 -!- Mony has joined. 09:13:03 pl()p 10:19:47 -!- sebbu has joined. 11:03:09 -!- Leonidas` has changed nick to Leonidas. 11:39:38 -!- Slereah2 has joined. 11:53:42 -!- Pyramidhead has joined. 11:59:19 http://www.redbubble.com/people/butcherbrand/clothing/424598-6-love-machine-9000 11:59:23 Hey >:| 11:59:42 Someone violated the copyright registered trademark patent of the Love Machine 9000 >:| 11:59:45 -!- Pyramidhead has changed nick to Slereah. 12:12:28 Pyramidhead: sux 12:12:57 earlier i typed: cat = cats.pop.pop 12:13:00 hah 12:13:22 better than cats.pop.poop 12:15:25 POP POP 12:15:41 popcorn. made from cats. 12:15:56 Nah. 12:16:02 It's pop music, made by cats. 12:16:14 Like "Cat-fu fighting" by Kawaii Kenji 12:16:21 corny pop music, or is that redundant? 12:19:26 It's like 12:19:31 The meow mix song 12:19:36 Meow meow meow meow 12:19:36 Meow meow meow meow 12:19:43 meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow 12:19:45 -!- Slereah2 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 12:19:46 deep lyrics 12:20:07 Well, the translation is much more deeper. 12:20:12 "I like chicken" 12:20:16 "I like liver" 12:20:21 Or something 12:20:33 i c a cat food commercial? 12:20:59 ... 12:21:04 You never heard the meow mix song? :o 12:21:26 http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=5JuVHCJVYf4 12:21:38 Come on, it was even on the Simpsons! 12:22:24 now i have 12:22:29 i don't watch television 12:22:43 *Neither do I 12:22:49 But I still watch the Simpsons 12:22:52 ON THE INTERNET 12:23:20 also, those weren't cats singing 12:23:31 HOW DARE YOU CALL THEM LIARS 12:23:41 YOU HAVE A LOT OF CHUTZPAH 12:24:23 i have a lifetime subscription of that 12:24:49 maybe 12:28:47 i refuse to be taken in by catfood commercials unless they're narrated by _real_ cats 12:29:01 i don't want to fooled, no sir 12:29:05 *be 12:29:26 gah that typo was... 12:29:47 something to tell my grandchildren, if i expected to have any 12:43:01 Cats will tell your grand children 12:57:20 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 13:00:18 -!- jix has joined. 14:01:28 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 14:36:19 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Remote closed the connection). 14:56:47 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 16:09:56 -!- Leonidas_ has joined. 16:10:27 -!- Leonidas has quit ("Coyote finally caught me"). 16:10:37 -!- Leonidas_ has changed nick to Leonidas. 16:34:11 Hi ais523 . 16:35:08 hi ehird 16:41:42 I don't trust canned cat food that isn't made from food cats eat in the wild. 16:41:57 I still want to find the roach and spider bits in rat gravy cat food. 16:42:00 I'm sure Tia would love it. 16:42:18 -!- ehird has quit (Nick collision from services.). 16:42:45 -!- _ehird has joined. 17:36:28 <_ehird> a 17:36:32 -!- _ehird has changed nick to ehird. 17:41:46 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:42:22 -!- Judofyr has joined. 17:58:03 random brainfuck code generators tend to create ABBA as their first recognizeable output, fyi 17:58:14 several million iterations later 17:58:34 ABBA? 17:58:43 Like... Dancing Queen? :o 18:00:33 ABBA like.... Mony Mony Mony, must be funny 18:05:22 -!- oerjan has joined. 18:08:05 jayCampbell: haha, why? 18:08:27 optbot! 18:08:30 optbot? 18:08:35 +ul (thutubot, you here?)S 18:08:35 thutubot, you here? 18:08:37 bah 18:08:39 someone restart it 18:08:56 wherefore art thou, optbot? 18:10:53 ehird, to test bf interpreters .. bff4 is fast but has poor bounds checking f'rinstance 18:10:59 lots of segfaults 18:11:21 this is for the genetic breeding harness 18:11:58 jayCampbell: i mean 18:12:01 jayCampbell: why do they produce abba 18:12:17 near the front of the alphabet 18:12:33 true 18:12:35 but why abba in particular? 18:12:37 as soon as you hit A, print, increment, print, print, decrement, print 18:12:48 ah 18:12:53 as opposed to the operations required to print QWERTY 18:13:02 jayCampbell: surely A should be printed first 18:13:40 it especially pops after sort|uniq 18:13:47 since the output of so many of these runs is identical 18:14:01 infinite stream of nulls is common 18:14:49 in the end i'll probably base this on the python bf interpreter so the harness doesn't have to boot a separate interpreter process 18:15:05 and i'll be able to add in cycle and output limits 18:16:35 trying to decide whether to make the programmer create his fitness tests in bf 18:16:53 seems .. mean 18:20:53 jayCampbell: how does your generator work? 18:21:01 just pick +-,.<> or loop? 18:21:10 and then stick those in, for a loop stick [, random prorgam, ]? 18:21:16 and then stop randomly? 18:26:59 basically 18:28:51 the last batch had no input and a loop depth limit of 1 18:44:34 if nothing else, i'm going to brute force useful snippets that use no looping 18:44:56 dictionary words, large numbers 18:45:19 if that works out i'll try feeding known inputs and make loopless utility functions 18:45:24 jayCampbell: i'm going to write a copy of that 18:45:27 btw, have you tried bff? 18:45:35 its not as fast as bff4 but it's fast 18:45:35 the desktop one? 18:45:42 not yet 18:45:46 it's good. 18:45:47 i use it. 18:46:25 fast boot is more important than fast execution in this case 18:46:50 one of the high level language implementations might give me better overall speed 18:46:56 jayCampbell: http://swapped.cc/bf/ 18:48:20 how well does it handle malformed programs 18:48:31 jayCampbell: well, I believe 18:48:47 use the makefile that comes with it 18:49:29 jayCampbell: 18:49:29 % time (echo '['|./bff) 18:49:30 bff: no matching ] 18:49:30 (; echo '[' | ./bff; ) 0.00s user 0.00s system 77% cpu 0.006 total 18:51:06 definitely fewer segfaults 18:51:27 come on ABBA 18:51:48 jayCampbell: you may also consider loops with matching <>, then you can calculate the bounds of tape used 18:52:48 i won't care unless its output is interesting 18:53:17 it can't swamp my machine in the 1 second max i give it 18:53:43 i mean to avoid segfaults 18:53:50 true 18:54:17 or supply exactly enough input to satisfy the reads 18:54:47 jayCampbell: how do you handle timeouts? 18:54:48 but the joy of this was just mashing random characters together 18:54:50 just run it for <1 second? 18:54:59 yeah, thread kill 18:55:05 jayCampbell: ah, multithreaded 18:55:06 that makes sense 18:55:12 you can probably run 30 brainfuck programs for 1 second at once 18:55:16 maybe up to 100 18:55:37 i'm threading once just for the timeout 18:56:15 but yeah, this is way easier than constructing random but valid perl 18:56:45 * ehird writes program 18:56:56 jayCampbell: do you do it deterministically, or just random? 18:57:56 bf, just random 18:58:29 perl, random action, which sometimes means adding matching braces or parens or etc 18:59:28 -!- fungot has joined. 18:59:46 today's is ruby wrapping bf/bff 18:59:56 master = Thread.current 18:59:56 slave = Thread.new { 18:59:56 system "echo '#{program}' | ./bff |head -c1000 >outputs/#{m} 2>/dev/null" 18:59:56 master.wakeup 18:59:56 } 18:59:56 sleep 1 18:59:58 system "killall bff" 19:00:00 slave.kill 19:02:35 fungot! 19:02:36 oerjan: it has gone down already ( my thermometer has run out of " dogface" advocates atheism. is the same as 19:03:11 fungot: how terrible! 19:03:12 oerjan: no man, i'm feeling a bit overall-confused, been implementing oklotalk a bit too oriented towards java's excuse for oo. i learned over the course of two hours. 19:04:02 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:04:06 hi Sgeo 19:04:16 hi ais523 19:04:19 fungot: i'm sure oklopol wouldn't recommend that 19:04:19 oerjan: sounds quite interesting 19:13:12 ais523, hi 19:13:16 ais523, see /msg 19:13:20 I have done 19:16:47 summary of the discussion: is setting SIGPIPE to ignore a good idea? 19:18:01 'y,a, 19:18:11 is a Funge-98 program that does what the yes command does 19:18:19 if I pipe that into head, should it exit? 19:19:15 ais523: yes it should. 19:19:25 yes, it should detect the reflect and exit 19:19:25 that's what I think too 19:19:35 nope, that program doesn't detect reflections 19:19:37 but it should exit anyway 19:19:44 exactly 19:19:45 why should , reflect when writing into a blocked pipe? 19:19:47 it should exit with an error 19:19:52 wanna know why? 19:20:17 because both python and ruby do it 19:20:20 -e:1:in `write': Broken pipe (Errno::EPIPE) 19:20:22 and 19:20:23 Traceback (most recent call last): 19:20:23 File "", line 1, in 19:20:23 IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe 19:20:46 "These instructions will act as r does, should the standard output fail for any reason." 19:20:47 from 19:20:49 http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/doc/funge98.html#Stdio 19:20:51 so 19:20:57 well, it should reflect 19:21:05 no the interpreter shouldn't exit 19:21:10 ais523, :P 19:21:16 is that standard output failure? 19:21:22 ais523, see what I linked 19:21:23 and yes 19:21:42 ais523, so doing anything else would break the specs too 19:21:47 something I'm not prepared to do 19:22:22 I had the linked page open before you linked it, by the way 19:22:25 ais523, also both of ehird's examples,seemed to throw exceptions 19:22:35 and ok, that's interesting 19:22:35 yes 19:22:40 an IOError 19:22:43 since the IO, to stdout, failed 19:22:49 which you could catch right? 19:22:49 just like a read from stdin fails after EOF 19:22:52 AnMaster: yes. 19:23:02 ehird, think of reflect as funge exception then 19:23:13 then reflect 19:23:19 yes and that is what the specs say 19:24:23 ais523, so in summary, that yes program should have been: 19:24:33 'y#@,a#@, 19:24:39 :) 19:25:40 or. 19:25:41 'y#@,# a, 19:26:07 slightly harder to read 19:26:28 and longer, and less useful 19:26:44 ais523, both those examples are equally long 19:26:59 from a golfing point of vew 19:27:00 view* 19:27:07 'y,a, is much shorter 19:27:13 ais523, well but it is buggy 19:27:21 and also correct, that's how you'd write it in C 19:27:31 ais523, well, but see http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/doc/funge98.html#Stdio 19:27:32 :P 19:27:45 personally I think writing to a closed pipe isn't output failing 19:27:47 ais523, I'm not going to change cfunge in a way that breaks the spec 19:27:50 that's completely against the UNIX philosophy 19:27:51 ais523: yes it is 19:27:53 ummm 19:27:55 it's output succeeding, just going nowhere 19:27:57 your unix philosophy is broken 19:28:04 * AnMaster agrees with ehird 19:28:04 and the program that writes is closed in order to save time and processor cycles 19:28:04 since that is exactly how it behaves 19:28:07 :D 19:28:20 AnMaster: how the fuck did you get off my ignore list? 19:28:21 ehird: are cat file.txt | head and head < file.txt identical? 19:28:27 ais523: yes. 19:28:32 ehird, no clue, I guess you unignored me 19:28:35 no, they aren't, in your interpretation 19:28:36 I certainly didn't change anything 19:28:39 AnMaster: i'm not that idiotic 19:28:54 ehird, well I didn't change ident or anything 19:28:57 because the second one, standard input to head clearly works correctly 19:28:59 maybe a bug in your client or something 19:29:14 the first, standard output from cat, according to you, stops working when head ends 19:29:19 it doesn't, it's just that cat is SIGPIPEd 19:29:20 AnMaster: no, i was ignoring you via nickname. 19:29:24 which is the reason SIGPIPE works 19:29:30 ehird, well my nick is still the same 19:29:34 as you can see 19:30:53 ehird: clearly you have been sleepunignoring 19:30:54 ais523, and no cat file.txt | head and head < file.txt aren't identical. One only uses bash/shell, the other invokes cat 19:31:12 ais523, and no cat file.txt | head and head < file.txt aren't identical. One only uses bash/shell, the other invokes cat 19:31:15 ^ not really fucking obvious 19:31:22 to a tedious degree. nope 19:31:39 they're different, the latter one doesn't have a "c" for instance. 19:31:40 but they have the same effect 19:31:53 oklopol, correct too 19:31:54 whereas in the first one 19:31:59 it's the *first* character 19:32:00 depends on your implementation of cat :) 19:32:16 (no, all implementations of cat start with "c", actually) 19:32:20 jayCampbell, hm where have I seen that name before... 19:32:30 AnMaster: he's a b player. 19:32:33 are you my one science fiction fan? 19:32:33 nomic. 19:32:34 oh 19:32:52 ehird, ah I think I may have had a look at their website once before 19:32:54 jayCampbell: AnMaster only ever played one nomic, me/ais523/ihope (defacto founders)'s IRCNomic 19:32:54 so probably 19:33:02 he wasn't very good at it (imo.) 19:33:08 so i dunno how he's seen your name 19:33:10 ehird: just on the opposite side of the big argument to you 19:33:20 ais523, thanks 19:33:25 ais523: i wasn't talking about that 19:33:26 actually 19:33:27 oklopol: doesn't the standard C implementation of cat start with # 19:33:38 i was talking about how he would oppose every change that wasn't utilitarianly sensible 19:33:45 to the highest degree 19:33:50 ais523, um? It could start with /* I guess 19:33:56 I was wondering about that 19:33:59 followed by BSD or GPL one 19:34:01 or // if it was C98 19:34:04 s/one/header 19:34:07 ais523: just on the opposite side of _every_ argument, Miss Sophie 19:34:07 ais523, C99* 19:34:11 does the standard C implementation of cat have a particular licence? 19:34:14 ais523: no the *name* of every cat starts with a "c" 19:34:15 and ok 19:34:17 some cats buffer all their input, which can allow more execution to happen than head jayCampbell, hm 19:35:07 why does all discussion on this channel turn to cats these days? 19:35:08 you'll see it when guys try to reimplement the standard unix command set in scripting languages 19:35:24 jayCampbell, I know head foo.txt is best ;P 19:35:42 catz 19:35:47 files are old fashioned anyway 19:35:47 like cat, but mangles output 19:35:53 to lolcats 19:35:58 AnMaster: har har har 19:36:09 -!- Judofyr has quit. 19:36:24 jayCampbell, hm? 19:36:27 oerjan: why does all discussion on this channel turn to wondering why all discussion turns to things these days these days? 19:36:41 *on this channel 19:37:07 ^bf ,[.,]!oh dear, it seems BF has no way to handle SIGPIPE 19:37:07 oh dear, it seems BF has no way to handle SIGPIPE 19:37:11 oklopol: why does every snarky comment end up containing stupid typos these days? 19:37:24 oerjan: that makes no sense without a typo 19:37:28 please correct it. 19:37:34 *on this channel 19:37:43 better? 19:37:50 :O 19:37:52 no! 19:37:58 you need to have a typo 19:38:08 but that was your typo too 19:38:19 *typos or brainos 19:38:21 hmm. 19:38:22 ^bf ,[.,]!oh dear, it seems BF has no way to handle SIG <-- what about it? 19:38:33 oerjan: approved. 19:38:38 AnMaster: BF cat programs seem to work fine 19:38:40 brainfuck isn't funge-98 19:38:42 and yes 19:38:53 ais523, so they are unrelated 19:38:58 say you're writing a BF interp in funge-98, would you handle reflection in , 19:39:10 ais523, you would have to in your , yes 19:39:29 how many people check , for reflections in Funge programs 19:39:30 err 19:39:32 your . 19:39:35 does Mycology, for instance 19:39:38 and no, it's , in Befunge 19:39:57 ais523, well, I don't know who checks it, but I'm not going to break the specs 19:40:06 I fully agree with ehird there 19:40:13 oh noes! 19:40:22 the universe is collapsing! 19:40:26 i'd break the spec if the spec is wrong. 19:40:32 oerjan: stop making a scene! 19:40:34 whew 19:40:34 well the spec isn't wrong 19:40:43 does Mycology check for reflections from , 19:40:54 ais523, don't know, but if it doesn't it is it's own issue 19:41:05 oklopol: it was just an apparent agreement between AnMaster and ehird. fortunately it was overrated. only AnMaster thought they agreed. 19:41:32 ais523, nothing is going to make me break the spec on this issue 19:41:35 yes, which is actually a higher level of disagreement. 19:41:39 also it would break various fingerprints 19:41:40 so the universe still exists, for the time being. 19:42:24 just don't blink 19:42:40 the universe will collapse if oerjan blinks? 19:42:45 wow, I didn't know oerjan could do that... 19:42:48 too late. are we in a new universe now? 19:42:58 ais523, no, common misunderstanding 19:43:07 it will collapse the wave function thingy 19:43:19 ah 19:43:23 indeed 19:43:25 when he *opens* his eys 19:43:28 eyes* 19:43:42 my dad's scientist friend said the world actually *oscillates* between the wave form and the particle form. 19:43:58 oklopol, when you blink? 19:43:59 http://www.mezzacotta.net/singles/collapse_a_wavefunction.php 19:44:22 AnMaster: when you blink too, pretty much all the time. 19:44:27 oerjan, what if you had javascript off when you clicked and nothing happened? 19:45:08 AnMaster: it requires javascript? 19:45:15 oerjan, yes 19:45:24 ah yes of course 19:46:21 what if you click both buttons simultaneously 19:46:38 AnMaster: i think that means you change from Fermi-Dirac statistics to Bose-Einstein statistics, as your cases then become indistinguishable 19:46:51 Not sure that that sort of decision is one where there is actually random stuff going on in the brain 19:46:54 try using it to make a laser 19:47:42 oklopol: i think that means you dad's scientist friend is not _particularly_ clever 19:47:46 *your 19:47:50 snarky comment again 19:49:26 or wait the cases are indistuingishable in Fermi-Dirac statistics too, it's just swapping the cases which isn't 19:50:24 ehird: but if you click both buttons simultaneously and nothing happens, that should prove it's Fermi-Dirac 19:50:50 since two identical cases cancel 19:51:37 http://web.petrsu.ru/~alexk/list_of_publications/ <<< dunno if he's clever, but i find this an impressive list 19:51:41 now excuse me while i go recalibrating my death ray 19:52:15 SCIENCE 19:52:40 oklopol, those seem to be biology/medicine 19:52:43 half of that is parapsychology afaik, but i think there's some serious stuff too 19:52:58 oh that too 19:53:00 well 19:53:10 I wouldn't trust that person 19:53:27 2.5 Kaivarainen A. Application of Hierarchic Concept of Matter and Wave-Particle Duality Model for Explanation of "Biological" and "Informational" Fields Emergency (paper). Proceedings of the Second Annual Advanced Water Sciences Symposium October 4-6, 1996 Dallas, Texas, USA. 19:53:31 wave-particle duality 19:53:33 that's it 19:53:46 This sounds a lot like pseudoscience 19:54:13 he believes in ghosts, homeopathy, and that speed of light is not the maximum attainable speed. 19:54:24 dunno, i can't raed his writings 19:54:24 oklopol: he's an idiot 19:54:26 *read 19:54:35 ok, so the last one could be true if all the physics we know is wrong 19:54:41 DON'T YOU KNOW GHOSTS ARE REAL OKLOPOL? 19:54:44 and the former is ... 19:54:45 well, it's stupid 19:54:48 but it's ... fine 19:54:54 but homeopathy is provably bullshit 19:54:57 What happens when a ghost dies? 19:54:59 ehird, ghosts could be true if everything else we know are wrong as well 19:55:05 and yeah 19:55:06 Slereah: rebirth. sheesh. 19:55:07 Does it make a ghost ghost? 19:55:07 I agree ehird 19:55:28 AnMaster: Well, what about reasonable (i.e. not creation-science nonsense) christian scientists? 19:55:42 they believe in similarly silly stuff, I don't think it makes their _science_ any less reasonable 19:56:13 but um yeah that guy sounds like a crackpot 19:56:21 Evidence for mobility of immunoglobulins domains obtained by spin-label method. 19:56:26 immunoglobulins, man 19:56:48 Well, I'm no doctor 19:56:54 So I won't say anything about this 19:57:05 But I AM BATMAN 19:57:22 hard to say anything really, i don't understand a word of that. 19:58:04 immunoglobulins sounds like it could exist 19:58:20 a swedish scientist recently contacted him about a theory of his about the form of the electron 19:58:38 Is it shaped like a mystical symbol? 19:58:39 said he had made the exact same conclusion in his experiments 19:58:39 == antibodies, says wp 19:58:58 you have been educated stupid 19:59:27 AnMaster: Well, what about reasonable (i.e. not creation-science nonsense) christian scientists? <-- I don't know enough about them to be able to answer that question 19:59:31 http://timecube.com/ 19:59:41 Old 19:59:43 jayCampbell: careful, AnMaster will whine for days if you talk about timecube 19:59:53 not old, classic and pertinent 19:59:54 That's because he's educated stupid 20:00:04 * AnMaster borrows oerjan's frying pan 20:00:10 hey! 20:00:11 * AnMaster slaps jayCampbell ----### 20:00:24 that's not the frying pan that's the flyswatter 20:00:28 oerjan, oh 20:00:44 This is the frying pan ===\__/ 20:00:45 that explains why it was so light 20:01:04 * AnMaster borrows the frying pan too and use it on jayCampbell ===\__/ 20:01:09 * ===\________/ 20:01:17 oh noes 20:01:23 * AnMaster gives oerjan the frying pan and the fly swatter bacjk 20:01:24 back* 20:02:09 bulked again ===\/\/ :( 20:02:22 ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 20:02:31 * ais523 hits oerjan with a smiley :) 20:02:48 _ __________=__ 20:02:48 \\@([____]_____() 20:02:48 _/\|-[____] 20:02:48 / /(( ) 20:02:48 /____|'----' 20:02:49 \____/ 20:02:51 my :------------D's make more damage 20:03:03 is that a gun? 20:03:06 You have a thin penis 20:03:07 hard to say without the spaces 20:03:09 8======D 20:03:26 Slereah: you have a strange nose 20:03:41 you never should have abandoned fixed width fonts 20:03:51 i never abandoned them 20:03:52 * oerjan hasn't 20:04:01 and i never will 20:04:24 non-fixed size fonts make no sense 20:04:27 then your irc client is eating spaces 20:04:28 they should be killed. 20:04:31 yes. 20:04:44 my irc client sucks, it's a naughty irc client. 20:04:53 that's all i'm sayin 20:04:56 ................................................_,,,,-------,,,__ 20:04:56 ........................................,,;:#ggg@@g;,..........‘`=-, 20:04:56 ..................................,,;$#^`````*#@@@g;,.............’=-, 20:04:56 ...............................,/$`................``#@@@#g,...............‘\, 20:04:56 ........................._,;f`.......................,$@@@@#g,..............“\, 20:04:57 ....................,/*&gp..+,_..................%*#@@@@g;,............’\, 20:04:59 ................,./_`”>’.....`#$$#x;,............,%@@@@@#g;,..........`\ 20:05:01 ..............,/ (.............`\....`\”*=,``\.......*&*%@@@@@g;,..........\ 20:05:03 ...........,/...,^=*#q,_,/`\.......`~..`-.......g$@@@@@@@#g,........| 20:05:05 ........../,;p8jq;,_..........;.........................`%@@@@@@@#g;....| 20:05:07 ........,/.f,,,,_..`*8r-,.....;......................,&@@@@@@@@@#./ 20:05:07 Slereah: so... did you read any of the physics articles? 20:05:09 ......./.,$ `\,...`.-...&..../........................`%@@@@@@@@$#/ 20:05:11 .....,/,$--__........`\..../............................#$@@@##@@@@/ 20:05:13 ...,/\...`’t-,__,;>`..../.........................................;`=””=.`;@#* 20:05:15 . <-- You are here 20:05:15 .,/....`”~--~`’’....-`...................................,--”,~#-,.._*”` 20:05:17 (..........................................................,....`””......,;` 20:05:19 .`\,_.....................................................&`*-,,_-”` 20:05:21 .......`-,_................................................./ 20:05:23 .............\..................................................|. 20:05:25 No I did not 20:05:27 I'm watching Batman 20:05:40 Treasure ------------------ > X 20:05:45 what's that. 20:05:47 I'm Batman, watching 20:05:49 Slereah: is that in latin-1, some of the chars don't come out properly and my client's set to utf-8 20:06:06 Iunno 20:06:25 lament : Actually, in this movie, Batman is watching an old love interest 20:06:28 It's pretty creepy 20:09:32 heh 20:10:00 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 20:11:19 -!- olsner has joined. 20:14:53 you never should have abandoned fixed width fonts <-- who would have done that? 20:15:12 The jewish plot 20:15:20 AnMaster: Me. 20:16:09 ehird: you're stuppit i hate you :< 20:16:16 i hate you too oklopol 20:16:23 ah, how romantic 20:16:26 i hate you always one more 20:16:56 ais523: "MARRY ME OKLOPOL BECAUSE YOU ARE STUPPID AND HATEWORTHY LIKE ME" 20:18:34 anyway whatever it was Slereah posted above is just odd 20:18:43 what was it supposed to be? 20:18:43 facepalm 20:19:03 the lines doesn't even match up 20:19:09 facepalm. 20:19:29 It's not a facepalm 20:19:36 looked like one in this font. 20:19:37 http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Grieving_Jew 20:19:37 oh well 20:19:43 heh 20:19:52 Slereah, what is it with you and yews? 20:20:05 yews 20:20:09 poor trees 20:20:10 D: 20:20:16 Yitler. :'( 20:20:37 Godwin's law. 20:20:42 (variant) 20:20:47 AnMaster: Shut up, yazi. 20:21:13 hang on, this is IRC, how do I lock the thread? 20:21:16 Yodwin's law 20:21:20 ----------------------------------------- THREAD LOCKED ----------------------------------------- 20:21:22 there we go 20:21:25 YEWS 20:21:25 now to talk about something else 20:21:35 ais523: yeah, silence the TRUTH ABOUT YAZIS 20:21:36 ehird: stop resurrecting dead threads in a new thread 20:21:42 * ehird waits 5 years 20:21:44 BUMP 20:21:45 YEWS 20:22:01 +ul (a):*:*:*:*:*:*(:)~^S 20:22:01 ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ...too much output! 20:22:05 YUDEN 20:22:24 -!- Mony has quit ("Join the Damnation now !"). 20:23:02 +ul (Yews)S 20:23:02 Yews 20:23:05 YEWS 20:24:13 your yoke is not funny 20:24:38 I'm no funny egg 20:25:13 eggs don't have yokes, they have yolks 20:25:21 Close enough 20:25:34 oerjan, what? I use a yoystick not a yoke 20:25:35 when I fly 20:25:56 on yoyous occasions, i assume 20:25:57 Slereah, yoke is a control found in aircrafts 20:26:14 oerjan, nah I'm just a flightsim fan 20:26:27 I did not know that 20:26:27 so I do it even if it isn't a yoyous occasion 20:26:28 yews yews yews yews yews 20:26:34 Godwin! 20:26:39 Yodwin 20:26:42 that's not the orginal meaning of yoke 20:26:54 yokes are for yaks and yoxen 20:27:01 (Yews ):S 20:27:08 +ul (Yews ):S 20:27:08 Yews 20:27:14 Man I'm no good at this 20:27:17 +ul ((yews )S:^):^ 20:27:17 yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews ...too much output! 20:27:18 oerjan, hm 20:27:29 :D 20:27:30 ehird 20:27:33 I <3 U 20:27:36 oerjan, http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Ayoke 20:27:39 why thank you 20:27:39 brb 20:28:01 oerjan, seems it have lots of meanings 20:29:11 yep 20:33:23 wb ais523 again 20:34:01 you do a lot of wobbling 20:35:46 routers here are either dodgy, or paranoid, I think 20:36:00 it normally takes me about 5 mins to convince them I'm allowed on the network 20:36:18 why not both? 20:40:51 ais523, hm report the issue? 20:41:15 AnMaster: he is afraid it'll work as well as the doors 20:41:35 to who? 20:41:38 the University? 20:41:46 btw, the Door is broken again, physically this time 20:43:17 maybe try an exorcist this time 20:43:28 probably we need a door engineer 20:43:40 * ais523 is amused at how badly you can mess up a door, I mean it's only a door... 20:44:44 ais523, the door is broken? How did you get in then? 20:45:14 there are three doors, all of which lead to different problems 20:45:16 there is the Door, the main one 20:45:21 which is broken atm 20:45:37 then there's the back door, which lets people out any time of day but only in during working hours, that's the one I got in via 20:46:00 and then there's the basement door which needs a swipe card to get through in either direction, and most of the time it isn't configured to let anyone through 20:46:55 and then there are the two doors guarded by a knight and a knave 20:47:31 I haven't found those yet, but if I do, I should be able to get through easily, I've read most of Smullyan's stuff 20:47:51 ais523: unless they are the xkcd kinds 20:48:03 I don't know the xkcd kind of knight/knave door 20:49:13 ais523: there is a third person 20:49:16 who stabs people who ask tricky questions 20:49:21 also, there is no way out. 20:49:27 ah, ok 20:50:04 anyway, the question "If I asked you if this is a safe door to go through, what would you say?" is a good trick to solve most of the puzzles of that nature 20:50:23 hmm 20:50:25 and isn't even exactly a tricky question, people do that sort of thing in RL on occasion 20:50:28 hah 20:50:30 that works 20:50:34 you always get the right answer, right? 20:50:37 yep 20:50:42 clever, cleve. 20:50:42 r 20:50:43 because if they would lie, they lie twice 20:50:47 yeah. 20:50:56 i always thought of really complex solutions to those 20:51:28 http://xkcd.com/246/ 20:55:37 http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0327.html 20:58:11 http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0565.html 20:59:28 -!- ab5tract_ has joined. 21:00:09 http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=807#comic 21:10:24 http://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/7b9gb/be_careful_what_you_wish_for/c066k4b 21:25:32 -!- ais523 has changed nick to ais524. 21:28:52 oh no, an increment! 21:29:13 -!- ais524 has changed nick to ais523. 21:29:13 what can this mean? 21:29:18 whew 21:29:31 -!- comex has changed nick to ais20c. 21:29:40 sorry, I accidentally got trapped in a room with some unary operators 21:29:46 good thing I didn't hit the bitwise-NOT 21:29:54 -!- ais20c has changed nick to comex. 21:30:30 a hex! burn the witch! 21:36:16 And what do you burn apart from witches? 21:39:00 books, small animals, yews... 21:40:16 the occasional orca 21:40:35 CDs of open-source operating systems, mostly 21:41:16 that's something everyone can agree on 21:42:45 Heh. 21:42:47 Yews. 21:49:11 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 22:11:38 -!- oerjan has quit ("Et cetera, et cetera"). 22:18:41 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 22:32:38 ;) 22:32:57 Psognosfove 22:33:02 oklopol: what are you winking at out of the blue? 22:33:30 It's a gay signal, ais523 22:33:41 He's signaling his presence to the gay male, psygnisfive 22:33:59 in just two characters? that's pretty golfy 22:34:01 * psygnisfive licks oklopol 22:34:57 gay golf? that's a new one 22:35:22 Let's do a "Hello, sailor!" in gay golf 22:36:58 I don't think you could get much shorter than oklopol's ";)" though 22:37:22 i just read 3 pages of random bash content, and you made me laugh more without even trying. 22:37:27 Isn't there an unicode penis character? 22:37:31 oklopol: bash is working again? 22:37:47 don't know about again, but it's working, yes 22:38:17 it was broken for ages 22:38:45 THE STONE AGE? 22:39:00 Bash is pretty infuriating on one point 22:39:10 The number one quote is incredibly lame 22:39:19 link i'm too lazy 22:39:27 http://bash.org/?top 22:39:43 8| 22:39:56 we've done that multiple times in here, often for multiple pages. 22:40:15 didn't know that was on top 22:40:25 And it is lame 22:40:27 LAAAAME 22:41:22 the next ones are pretty good 22:41:37 They're okay 22:41:45 For some reason, the top quotes are meg 22:41:48 meh 22:43:51 dunno, those are at least theoretically funny, although i didn't exactly laught at them; most of bash it complete utter bullshit that makes me want to eat coal and poop diamonds 22:44:25 Well, then again, is there any moment when you don't feel like that 22:45:51 hmm, good point 22:45:59 but for different raisins 22:46:57 Raisins 22:47:38 yeah i like raisins 22:48:10 ohh looks like it's time to sleap 22:48:11 -> 22:57:38 http://shup.com/Shup/78118/screencap-Unnamed-document-4-Inkscape-108104145651.png 22:57:48 for http://www.bigzaphod.org/taxi/ 22:58:15 Aw :D 22:58:15 Adorable 22:58:26 Much better than that lazy bird logo by that talentless hack 22:58:30 YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE 22:58:40 i did the COW linked from there too 22:58:41 Most esolangs lack a good logo 22:58:47 this happens when i'm in boring conference calls 22:59:02 who's next 22:59:41 a languages logo should not have a larger file size than its compiler, documentation and all known example code 23:02:04 hee, sean posted the logo already 23:02:56 Slereah: Much better than that lazy bird logo by that talentless hack 23:02:56 [22:58] Slereah: YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE 23:02:58 Slereah: meeeeee 23:02:59 :D 23:03:01 but i LIKED IT 23:03:23 I tried to make a real logo 23:03:31 From the silhouette of a mockingbird 23:03:35 But I am also talentless :( 23:03:50 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:04:00 inkscape makes it easy 23:07:40 jayCampbell: its townsberg 23:07:42 not townsville 23:07:43 :( 23:08:00 DELETE THIS PICTURE, IT IS WRONG 23:08:18 yes 23:11:53 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving"). 23:22:35 doh 23:22:50 who's to say it's not BOTH 23:22:58 get the townsville mayor on the line 23:23:33 Townsvilole is the sister city of Townsberg 23:23:40 But they program in Brainfuck 23:23:54 http://shup.com/Shup/78119/screencap-CDocuments-and-SettingsjayDesktop3code-programming-language-logo.svg-Inkscape-108104152316.png 23:24:07 i was going for Jeans and wound up with American McDonald's 23:24:32 What is that logo? 23:24:45 yours for a modest fee 23:25:09 for http://www.bigzaphod.org/3code/ 23:25:19 can't help but round out this guy's esolang logo collection 23:25:32 Why would I want to own the logo of a language you made up? 23:25:40 not mine 23:33:55 jayCampbell: did the townsville people vote obama or mccain? 23:34:01 or Mayorpopple The Third 23:34:12 Comedy option: Ron Paul 23:34:47 Ron Paul didn't run. 23:35:01 The comedy option is this : http://www.objectivistparty.us/ 23:40:33 Slereah: write-in ron paul, DUH 23:40:38 but yes, objectivist party is hilarious 23:53:43 -!- ab5tract_ has quit. 23:55:56 So. Who here is able to vote in the US, and who voted? :-P 23:56:25 I'm not even in the US 23:56:28 Nor I.