< 1226450489 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | hmm... w3m just displays it inline, just like AnMaster asked < 1226450725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mscs.dal.ca/~selinger/md5collision/ < 1226451759 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rargh < 1226451772 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is called the . args thingamagig in Scheme? < 1226451775 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can find sum tutorial < 1226451980 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-7.html#%_sec_4.1.4 < 1226452031 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankyouz < 1226452442 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1226453022 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1226453022 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try pattern-matching for the pi calculus. < 1226453576 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1226453581 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1226453583 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rec: expects either an identifier followed by an expresion, or a (possibly dotted) sequence of identifiers followed by a body in: rec < 1226453587 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What has science done! < 1226454642 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1226455292 0 :adu!n=ajr@pool-72-83-119-137.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1226458521 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1226458652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBye" < 1226459444 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora Nomic has a People's Bank of Agora, where people can deposit their assets in exchange for coins. The exchange rate goes down by 2 coins every week the Bank has some of that asset on hand. < 1226459495 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I determined that in theory, the exchange rate should plummet to 0 weekly. It hasn't actually done this, but in theory, theory and practice are the same. Therefore, I feel leet. < 1226459723 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1226460192 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1226460198 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone answer my question the other day? < 1226460312 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like no < 1226460374 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1226460405 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :efficiently executing boolean expressions < 1226461042 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need correct key??? Anyone else in here ever been in #chrome? < 1226461539 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1226461595 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in meat. < 1226463773 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bow chicka bow wow. < 1226463805 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH < 1226463938 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1226464919 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1226466240 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1226469171 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo my program triggers a virus scanner... < 1226469213 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HACKER D: < 1226469398 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1226469435 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotta figure out some way to prevent nod32 from screwing with this program... < 1226469455 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a simple mail server in Java and it keeps interfering and trying to scan fictional messages < 1226470879 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1226471186 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-071-029.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1226472014 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1226472089 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | actually no, i really do have a turkish prison < 1226473224 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1226474059 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226474560 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1226474643 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1226476643 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1226476799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1226476800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1226479601 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Unisex." < 1226480065 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-071-029.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1226490926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kind of sucks that there isn't a complete pgp in js impl < 1226491287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1226492026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1226492028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the topic < 1226492366 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1226493689 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | EgoBot is certainly the limiting factor in speed here. < 1226493908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one is not bad either. < 1226494471 0 :AquaLoqua!n=anonym@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1226496452 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1226496592 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dana" < 1226497318 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1226497431 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1226497620 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1226497758 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1226498988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1226500501 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-85-133.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1226500584 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop < 1226502101 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-34-158.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1226503025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1226503143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1226506828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1226507114 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1226507150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1226507210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb me < 1226507425 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226507497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye hiato < 1226508053 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1226508218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ehird < 1226508365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb Hiato < 1226508384 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1226508391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol < 1226508421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION destroys the pattern of greetings.
< 1226508568 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a good destroys the pattern of greetings to you too, oklopol! < 1226508589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1226508891 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226509000 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1226509235 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1226509389 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1226510504 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226510697 0 :ehird_gobo!i=5b697b3c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b1e376fd9452c445 JOIN :#esoteric < 1226511329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i got over the hurdle. < 1226511341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tripped shortly after, 54.8 meters < 1226511369 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you run (like run-run, for real) the whole time? < 1226511369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough for today, i've set a deadline on success for sunday, so i'm not really in a hurry yet. < 1226511392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i occasionally trip, and have to rise up again < 1226511414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't do anything fishy. < 1226511421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trip = fall on my knee < 1226511452 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, okay. < 1226511479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly that graceful, my jumps are way too high to be speed-optimal, and i fall on my knees like every 6 jumps. < 1226511503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am technically running, i can show you a vid once i master this. < 1226511529 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great. < 1226511578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. reading time -> < 1226511789 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with µ recursive functions on Scheme is that you have to compose every goddamn functions < 1226511799 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's annoying, because Scheme can't do that naturally3 < 1226511836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: use a concatenative lang, composing is the most natural thing in the world for those < 1226511862 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's only one function left to do, and I don't want all the rest to go to waste. < 1226511889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think function composition is so very unnatural in Scheme either. < 1226511924 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just write it as a function? < 1226511928 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can't do something like (s s), where s is the successor function < 1226511942 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can? < 1226511942 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance. < 1226511959 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can try, but it will tell you that you can't feed procedures to +. < 1226511991 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's supposed to do (lambda (x) (s (s x))) or something? < 1226512013 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fortunately, µ recursive functions don't really need to do that for all functions. < 1226512049 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for two schema < 1226512058 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Substitution and recursion < 1226512064 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest just fit in. < 1226512103 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But man was it annoying. < 1226512112 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad #scheme is here. < 1226512113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always write a macro to turn (c f g) into something that returns the composition of f and g. < 1226512122 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's what I did. < 1226512124 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1226512136 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Substitution is pretty much function composition < 1226512151 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess it doesn't really need to be a macro if it just takes functions and returns their composition. < 1226512199 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1226512218 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that remain to do is to make the recursion schema return a function instead of a value. < 1226512236 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something annoying is that with recursive functions, everything is a function. < 1226512245 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in the end, I don't actually get a number. < 1226512265 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to apply something to it, because the constant function is C(x,y,z,...) = 0 < 1226512275 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, it doesn't work with the schema. < 1226512290 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICP exercise 1.42 is the procedure 'compose' for that, actually. < 1226512326 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1226512357 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I do that, I'll do the actual language, where you can input either a number or a string that will be godelized < 1226512369 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that will be annoying < 1226512370 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1226512420 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should fix jitfunge's mycology regression. < 1226512436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far through mycology does jitfunge get? < 1226512461 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it prints "GOOD: ..." lines, followed by "GGOD: 0! = 1", then "BAD: 7! != 0" and a ^G character. < 1226512482 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to do mycology cleanly up to "BAD: k reflects" (because I haven't done k at all yet). < 1226512514 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what's up with GGOD there. < 1226512589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program "001p 01g!. 01g7+!. 01g7+!!. a, @" prints out "1 0 1" like it should, so the bug is less obvious. < 1226512632 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I first tried the program "0!. 7!. 7!!. a, @" but noticed that it gets compiled into "printnum(1); printnum(0); printnum(1);" basically. < 1226512632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like memory corruption < 1226512766 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology is annoyingly complicated to test; I'd like to get a smaller test case. < 1226512788 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs underload.b98 and the 99bob Underload program just fine, and life.bf too, so it's not completely broken. < 1226512896 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'smaller'? Up to that point it's probably 10 lines or so :-P < 1226512958 0 :AquaLoqua!n=anonym@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1226513008 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still already 384 lines of output with jitfunge's "-d" flag; I'd like something that generates only one or two compiled sort-of-functions so I can just disassemble them and see what goes wrong. < 1226513038 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can try just removing stuff from the beginning onward < 1226513071 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should. < 1226513091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With any luck it won't then crash any longer. < 1226513208 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1226513214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the 14 first lines of mycology cause the same thing. < 1226513474 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1226514241 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-122-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226514557 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-071-029.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1226514843 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least I did get a small test program: "1:$#@ #$_1.a,@" prints out 1, even though it really shouldn't. < 1226515289 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | how would i know? < 1226515528 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is this in? < 1226515612 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1226515641 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1226515667 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doitle2: that's Befunge code < 1226515667 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-122-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226515681 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jitfunge is, I think, C, if that's what you meant < 1226515746 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1226515953 0 :ehird_gobo!i=5b697b3c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4bc9b90c5b89d0eb JOIN :#esoteric < 1226515959 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's installing lilo!!! :)) < 1226515971 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1226515981 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Installing gobolinux on a mac/ < 1226516003 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is it an active project? < 1226516010 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1226516012 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression it was old < 1226516016 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1226516017 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old as in not updated < 1226516018 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003 - present < 1226516020 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, cool < 1226516027 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's 26 people in the irc channel for what that's worth < 1226516121 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's its status package-wise < 1226516164 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume it needs its own packages so that it can use that fancy directory hierarchy < 1226516190 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1226516197 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good < 1226516200 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has firefox 3, kde 4, etc < 1226516207 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it has 3 packages ;-) < 1226516212 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had a release a few months ago < 1226516213 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1226516216 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://recipes.gobolinux.org/r/ < 1226516231 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 package updates in 17 days < 1226516233 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not bad. < 1226516285 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1226516285 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1226516316 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It installs everything from source? < 1226516323 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Underflow" < 1226516329 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it also has precompiled packages, but yes. < 1226516334 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a portage/portfile-style solution < 1226516339 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's like Gentoo in that respect < 1226516351 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gobolinux.org/index.php?page=packages < 1226516352 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary packages < 1226516363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1226516364 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about package-specific options like Gentoo, does it do anything like that? < 1226516372 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. < 1226516382 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-122-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226516421 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be the main advantage of installing from source, to me < 1226516444 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. < 1226516450 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it compiles everything & its dependencies into a chroot < 1226516456 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before putting it into the system tree < 1226516507 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226516556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_gobo: you alive yet? < 1226516566 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've been talking, have I not? < 1226516569 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still on the livecdf. < 1226516571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1226516572 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to configure lilo < 1226516573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ok < 1226516576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how broken is your computer atm? < 1226516578 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know those kernel vesa strings < 1226516580 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like vga=791 < 1226516585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1226516588 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are mean < 1226516588 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the one for 1680x1280 :-P < 1226516603 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that simple, I don't think < 1226516603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_gobo: I don't know off by heart < 1226516608 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 7 plus minus 8? < 1226516613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: -1 < 1226516613 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can get the 1600×1200 one < 1226516614 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It specifies more than just resolution < 1226516619 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not 1600×1280 < 1226516620 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah < 1226516621 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1226516623 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1600×1200 vs 1600×1280 < 1226516626 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit :-P < 1226516655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, hibernate actually works on this version of Ubuntu < 1226516689 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LINUX: INNOVATION < 1226516700 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_gobo: TBH I'm not sure if it supports non-4:3 resolutions < 1226516703 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1226516705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_gobo: it almost worked before, just it wasn't as fast and it got the screen res wrong < 1226516708 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: waaaaaaaaat ;_; < 1226516711 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just leave it blank < 1226516716 0 :AquaLoqua!n=Administ@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1226516718 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1226516725 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_gobo: I could check what my laptop has for 1400x1050 but I'm feeling lazy :-P < 1226516742 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1226516751 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1226516763 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1226516821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_gobo: it seems there's a longer format, try video=1600x1280-32@60 < 1226516822 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know the way of finding out those numbers < 1226516830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing 32 and 60 with your color depth and refresh rate < 1226516837 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that works < 1226516843 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i'll just omit it < 1226516843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... probably < 1226516846 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to set in the kernel which frame buffer to use < 1226516852 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One uses the vga= syntax, the other that one < 1226516857 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any supports both < 1226516858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, and ok < 1226516860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I could be wrong < 1226516873 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the truth: vesafb only does the vga=X mode thing. < 1226516880 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes sense, since it only uses the VESA functions. < 1226516890 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The others are more flexible. < 1226516891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a different one does the longer mode string < 1226516918 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, by the way, AnMaster (if it was you I was asking about Unlambda), the answer to the multiple arguments problem I had is currying. Just thought I'd let you know (though I know you know that already :P ) < 1226516923 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backup copy of /dev/sda in /boot/boot.0800 The Master Boot Record of /dev/sda has been updated. < 1226516925 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reboot time < 1226516965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a table of numbers, it seems all the resolutions that supports are 4:3 ones < 1226517010 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the card might well support modes that are not listed in some table. < 1226517108 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions has a longer table of "Linux video mode numbers", wtih 1440x900, but it doesn't have the 1680x1280 one either. < 1226517142 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1226517160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found a pdf on vesa.org < 1226517162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look there < 1226517203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it seems to be down < 1226517214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it often makes sense to use the chipset-specific frame buffer instead of vesafb; those let you change modes on runtime and everything. And of course X (if not using the fbdev driver) doesn't much care. < 1226517250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you access vesa.org from where you are? there seems to be something wrong with it < 1226517274 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1226517279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1226517282 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the wayback machine < 1226517291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it index pdfs? < 1226517304 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so < 1226517304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think they've had time to actually define any fancy modes yet; it's, what, 2008? Maybe some time during the next decade. < 1226517401 0 :M0ny!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-4-45.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1226517505 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, that was a funny jitfunge bug; when adding the 'IF' operation it didn't clear the constant-folding-stack, so something like 1#$_ would add "push 1" to the op list, then "if", then see the $ (since it branch-predicts true always) and remove the "push 1" because it thought it was discarding a constant. < 1226517541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1226517611 0 :ehird_gobo!i=5b697b3c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-22f10cb62c4d4329 JOIN :#esoteric < 1226517615 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite working yet. < 1226517659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite working yet either: http://zem.fi/~fis/mycout.txt < 1226517667 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GOOD: , wo works" < 1226517677 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1226517677 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wo-wo-works! < 1226517702 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to add a note to the readme: the interpreter is not meant to stutter < 1226517723 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD: , wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorks! < 1226517850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rather impressive that I get "wo works" out of the code "skrow , :DOOG",,,,,,,,,,,,, < 1226517870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1226517923 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1226517943 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's again something more complicated, since isolating that piece of code doesn't break it. < 1226517959 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One would hope not :-P < 1226517970 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I just run the 14 first lines of mycology, the output is correct. < 1226518060 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1226518123 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er... if I *don't* redirect the output to file, the beginning is also correct (the missing "0 1 2 3" in the beginning is there and no stutter) but the last line is "EAD: k reflects" instead of "BAD: ...". < 1226518141 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1226518168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sounds very very like memory corruption < 1226518209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under gdb it segfaults after "GOOD: : duplicates". < 1226518211 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not surprised, considering what he's doing < 1226518224 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1226518225 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a helpful backtrace: < 1226518225 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) bt < 1226518226 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#0 0xf7fb503b in ?? () < 1226518226 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 0x00000000 in ?? () < 1226518228 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That project should never have been undertaken :-P < 1226518268 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: try running with and without debugging symbols, and with different degrees of optimization, etc. Should be fun ;-) < 1226518338 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny how -- despite how utterly buggy it seems to be -- it still runs underload.b98 and the 99bob program, as well as life.bf. < 1226518429 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are you sure there's not a typo or something somewhere? ;-) < 1226518437 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in 99bob < 1226518441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Substituting the -O3 flag with -ggdb did nothing, but it's funny how I get different output from "build/jitfunge mycology.b98" than "build/jitfunge mycology.b98 | cat". < 1226518483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: step up to the point where it segfaults, checking the backtrace every now and then < 1226518486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it goes mad, there's the bug < 1226518582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 99bob output is (according to diff) identical to what I get from cfunge. < 1226518594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, when redirecting to a file, anyway. :p < 1226518603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably something mycology does that causes corruption < 1226518609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the corruption doesn't strike instantly but later on < 1226518670 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think 0xf7fb503b is in one of my generated functions; O < 1226518811 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm. < 1226518822 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The segfault is just stack underflow. :/ < 1226518861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's handled properly by the SIGSEGV handler, I think, it's just that gdb doesn't like it. I can "cont" past it just fine. < 1226518880 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, I was hoping for a big red arrow pointing at a piece of code and saying "here's your bug". < 1226518882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb always catches signals < 1226518890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the code handles them correctly < 1226518905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly there's a don't-break-on-segfaults option, I don't know < 1226518919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: does Mycology test stack underflow, by the way? < 1226518943 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to pop from empty stack quite many times, assuming these signals are correct. < 1226518955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't surprise me < 1226518962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does < 1226518962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any Funge programmer knows that's a ready source of zeroes < 1226518971 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right there at the top < 1226518973 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: empty stack pops zero < 1226518987 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't pop from the empty stack at all in fungot. < 1226518988 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: to. why he is the generall challenger, i come to know your heaviness.' ' in night, and let driue at me; for ( as we terme it) his friends, his state vsurp'd, his realme a slaughter-house, his subjects to oppression and contempt, and any thing that you should beare me on your shoulders < 1226518992 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1226518993 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp < 1226518998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1226518998 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc < 1226519010 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh cool, you coded that < 1226519024 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1226519027 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was your fault for suggesting it? < 1226519032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot who mentioned it. < 1226519038 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my fault < 1226519042 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't remember whose < 1226519104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it wasn't a big thing. It's just a fixed list, I didn't add any list manipulation commands. < 1226519114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably should've made ^reload to reload it, though.) < 1226519217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, my job was the 59999th job on the CIS cluster (since the last reboot, probably). I'm sure they have a prize for whoever gets the 60000th job. < 1226519258 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure they don't. :-P < 1226519277 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, I put in way more than 10000 jobs on the TCS cluster over the summer. < 1226519293 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !" < 1226519299 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe I didn't get anything just because I was an intern... < 1226519313 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you just didn't hit the right round numbers. < 1226519323 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I hit 200000 < 1226519423 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, they *should* have something. Maybe a script that automagically prints a fancy diploma to the closest printer. < 1226519684 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-151.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1226519854 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I'm not too surprised jitfunge doesn't play nice with valgrind. < 1226519863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ehird? < 1226519867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: neither am I < 1226519886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get "vex x86->IR: unhandled instruction bytes: 0xFF 0xFF 0xFF 0x0" out of it. < 1226519903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that sequence of instruction bytes make sense on x86? < 1226519955 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sound like it < 1226519962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might, but I doubt it. < 1226519984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would raise SIGILL if it didn't < 1226519998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGILL < 1226519999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1226520005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with SIGILL? < 1226520011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me think of SIGKILL < 1226520014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than the fact it means you just came across corrupted machine code? < 1226520021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sig ill as in unhealthy < 1226520050 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xff00 would be inc dword [eax] but 0xff 0xff is not really anything. < 1226520051 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is unhealthy, it's food that's not meant for digestion... or something < 1226520119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got sigill once already (with some jumps in the middle of instructions) but I suspect some other valgrind-related complicity is causing this one. < 1226520157 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226520175 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226520194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226520210 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226520235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under valgrind, it tries to execute some of the data I have there after the RET in the code. Not quite sure why. < 1226520492 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1226520507 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-122-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226520519 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1226520819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1226520833 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226520949 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Underflow" < 1226521339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style agora < 1226521339 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: agora < 1226521345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: give me some more agora-nonsense < 1226521346 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ( c) a player < 1226521352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: more? < 1226521352 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the cotc's report includes a list of succession.) < 1226521360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, fungot, that one made more sense < 1226521360 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this rule. however, in the next week, < 1226521373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: the suspense is killing me! < 1226521373 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the player so appointed is herein referred to unambiguously in that currency. this rule. < 1226521675 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1226521701 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226521777 0 :warrie!n=Peggy@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1226522487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1226522618 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-122-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226522697 0 :gobo!n=gobo@91.105.123.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1226522699 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ping < 1226522706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1226522712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi person who is almost certainly ehird < 1226522718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are things? < 1226522724 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost a-ok. < 1226522730 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interwebs should work on reboot, just need to: < 1226522735 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. fix ansi art bootup weirdness < 1226522739 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. update EVERYTHING... < 1226522745 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. get a resolution that doesn't hate kittens < 1226522751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ansi art ~= ascii art? < 1226522754 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. make it look nice, etc, salt to taste < 1226522757 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, vesa art < 1226522758 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1226522761 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1226522762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1226522769 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :control character art for the bootup sequence is all garbled < 1226522815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1226522831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that when I was running knoppix in a VM on here, the bootup sequence was garbled but it worked fine after tthat < 1226522833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1226522861 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1226522931 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reboot tym < 1226523082 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1226523260 0 :ehird_gobo!i=5b697b3c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cc369471c34f329e JOIN :#esoteric < 1226523263 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Woop < 1226523263 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woop < 1226523281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Juffo-wup. < 1226523283 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1226523364 0 :ehird_gobo!i=5b697b3c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-60ea0c196125771e JOIN :#esoteric < 1226523371 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis great this. Now just to get it working working < 1226523390 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1226523635 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1226523646 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226523749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1226524767 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1226524964 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226525029 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226525227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1226525227 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1226525227 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1226525227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1226525229 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1226525230 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1226525230 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1226525230 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1226525354 0 :_ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1226525368 0 :ais523|direct!n=ais523@sm01-fap05.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1226525387 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.123.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1226525391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|direct: what happened? < 1226525395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the bouncer < 1226525398 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1226525402 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ais523 seems to have gone missing < 1226525403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh... is rutian ok? < 1226525406 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bouncer's spouting errors < 1226525410 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at me < 1226525413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_X < 1226525415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what errors < 1226525425 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:29] <-psyBNC> Wed Nov 12 21:29:32 :User ais523: cant connect to irc.freenode.net port 6667. < 1226525427 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:29] <-psyBNC> Wed Nov 12 21:29:36 :User ais523 () trying irc.freenode.net port 6667 (). < 1226525434 0 :ais523!n=ais523@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1226525434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1226525437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1226525438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should work now < 1226525444 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226525452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Operation timed out < 1226525453 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226525457 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is your computer fixed now? < 1226525465 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1226525472 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1226525508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wb me. < 1226525510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not quite. < 1226525527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ais523 < 1226525532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you type pipe on a standard uk keyboard < 1226525537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift-backslash < 1226525543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1226525543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said earlier; did you not receive that? < 1226525549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ or not < 1226525553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does shift-2 give you? < 1226525556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1226525565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange... < 1226525571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, us layout is probably closer to this apple keyboard < 1226525571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1226525582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz its a US keyboard... :~ < 1226525583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1226525583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::~ < 1226525587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you ask, do you have the wrong keyboard layout? < 1226525594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so. < 1226525615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a preference somewhere to change it < 1226525622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1226525623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1226525633 0 :_ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1226525686 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226525745 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226525791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye ChanServ < 1226526078 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.123.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1226526350 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1226526350 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r01jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1226526393 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1226526393 0 :thutubot!n=thutubot@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1226526393 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1226526393 0 :jayCampbell!n=jay@209.66.100.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1226526403 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-071-029.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1226526573 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Fix this. < 1226526579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix what? < 1226526583 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X. :P < 1226526588 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The resolutions are borked. < 1226526594 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put in a Modes line but its still at 1024x768 < 1226526596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about X < 1226526615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one good thing about Ubuntu, they've got really good at auto-detecting the stuff X needs atm < 1226526649 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can assure you that every distro is pretty terrible with macs :-P < 1226526651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try asking in a channel which does know < 1226526654 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am. < 1226526655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a #x? < 1226526658 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're talking about other things. < 1226526661 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(#gobolinux) < 1226526665 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X, related. Ironically < 1226526833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often you can get by with the preferencesies thing of your desktop environment, if you have one. I think at least Gnome and KDE have some sort of display preferences thing. < 1226526883 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, 'cept its capped at this res < 1226526885 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024x768 < 1226526889 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be getting 1600x1280 < 1226526892 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I need drivers. < 1226526894 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But which? < 1226526904 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what sort of chipset you have there in that thing? < 1226526918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I had that problem I had to download the package for my chipset < 1226526929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I have a different chipset to you, though, so you'll need a different package < 1226526931 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wish I knew. < 1226526942 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the Internets probably know. < 1226526944 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's nvidia. < 1226526946 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lspci" usually knows too. < 1226526947 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1226526948 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be. < 1226526956 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M56P [Radeon Mobility X1600] < 1226526958 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, or ATI. < 1226526990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ATI drivers for Linux are binary blobs, AFAIR < 1226526998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ATI that's so new, there's the open-source rather new radeonhd, or alternatively the binary-only fglrx. < 1226527000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means probably they don't work on 64-bit, unless they special-cased that < 1226527014 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gobolinux is 32-bit < 1226527015 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no worries. < 1226527030 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, OS X Tiger is 32-bit. < 1226527033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see which of the packages fizzie mentioned is in gobolinux's package manger, and install it < 1226527043 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XF86-Video-ATI 6.9.0-r1 < 1226527045 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks reasonable. < 1226527054 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1226527058 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radeonhd is there. < 1226527067 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226527071 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs it
< 1226527071 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you want to be adventureous. < 1226527075 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLEEDING EDGE IS AWESOME < 1226527079 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has disconnected
< 1226527113 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-071-029.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1226527124 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RADEONHD is still very much work in progress. At the time of this writing, radeonhd has the following major limitations: NO support for 2D & 3D acceleration, no support for Xvideo. Suspend & Resume is pretty much untested. Often it just works, but your milage may vary." says my man page. < 1226527135 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... That's shit. < 1226527136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I seem to remember they had some sort of 2D acceleration going on by now. < 1226527159 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd is probably the best source of info re that driver. < 1226527181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if the old radeon driver supports the newer R500-or-newer ATI chipsets at all. < 1226527202 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this really "new"? December 06 is when I got it/. < 1226527234 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RV530/RV560 Radeon X1600/X1650/X1700" is mentioned in the radeon driver, so maybe that one will also work. < 1226527264 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile: XF86-Video-RadeonHD is part of the Xorg-Driver meta recipe, but no version of Xorg-Driver could be found. Do you want to install XF86-Video-RadeonHD separately? [Y/n] < 1226527272 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude. Compile. These are hard questions. TELL ME WHAT TO DO ;_; < 1226527282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest yes < 1226527288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile tries to guess dependencies < 1226527292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and asks the user for confirmation < 1226527294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems < 1226527300 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what a "meta recipe" is; your Linux is so strange. < 1226527301 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it doesnt guess < 1226527305 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just some weird metarecipe stuff < 1226527308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1226527315 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Considering it has an entirely new filesystem structure and no "package manager" to speak of... < 1226527318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it says gobolinux allows installation even without dependencies being present < 1226527322 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The filesystem IS the package manager) < 1226527324 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gobolinux.org/ < 1226527342 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, restart X time, maybe. < 1226527354 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1226527357 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't I have to configure xorg.conf < 1226527368 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably depends what you have there. < 1226527369 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1226527383 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOGOGO < 1226527384 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1226527461 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.123.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1226527465 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey now THIS is nice. < 1226527477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it working? < 1226527483 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You bet. < 1226527488 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the anti-aliasing is, um, nice. < 1226527500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screenshot, so we can all see what ehird's new second OS is like? < 1226527512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, probably you want kde3 rather than 4 atm, 4 is a bit unfinished IMO < 1226527514 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure thang, as soon as I figure out how to take a screenshot. < 1226527529 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I can't install KDE packages without kde4, obviously < 1226527534 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to it being the newest repo version < 1226527546 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it that radeonhd now? < 1226527547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bits that are there in kde4 are nice, but the bits that are missing are missing < 1226527551 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah < 1226527579 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fonts are a ... bit oversized. < 1226527581 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I looked, the old "radeon" driver had no support for things newer than R400, but it seems they've added those R500/R600 cards too nowadays. < 1226527584 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's grasped the 100dpi thing yet. < 1226527607 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08463/snapshot1258.png big screenshot < 1226527624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: strange website to put it on... < 1226527631 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: default startup page :P < 1226527641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, xs233.xs.to < 1226527668 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1226527672 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xs.to is an imagehosting service. < 1226527674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1226527686 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, those fonts are huge. < 1226527690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, looks good, although obviously the anti-aliasing doesn't look right in a screenshot < 1226527697 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can set the DPI in xorg.conf, but that thing also is probably somewhere in them preferences. < 1226527699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an option to globally shrink fonts somewhere < 1226527707 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1226527775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a good idea to tell it the real DPI of the panel -- although optimally it should be clever enough to figure that out by itself -- so that things that care, like Gimp, know it. < 1226527790 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to set mouse accelleration to <1x
< 1226527794 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toooooooo faaaaaaast < 1226527839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have quite a slow mouse speed by default < 1226527841 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs subpixel hinting
< 1226527863 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delicious. < 1226527868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: with a dpi that high you'll have to stare really hard at the screen to figure out which of the 4 options works best, won't you? < 1226527877 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1226527893 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DPI is high enough that Full is obviously the best option. < 1226527905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant stripe order < 1226527909 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1226527912 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously RGB < 1226527912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a lot of staring to work out what it was on my screen < 1226527920 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: almost certainly rgb. < 1226527933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1226527938 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the screen size there, then? < 1226527944 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here? < 1226527945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1280*800 < 1226527947 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1680x1280 < 1226527975 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant physical size; but right, you said 100 DPI. Somehow I read that as a hypothetical example or something. < 1226528014 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1226528016 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21" < 1226528026 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d290d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c732aa15e4a6389a JOIN :#esoteric < 1226528033 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Next up on #esoteric: Someone gets the brilliant idea to take that out of context) < 1226528045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo < 1226528052 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRR < 1226528059 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523 < 1226528061 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HOW DO I STOP THE RESIZE CONTROLS FROM APPEARING ON MAXIMIZED WINDOWS < 1226528065 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS DESTROYING MY FITT'S LAW < 1226528075 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This 24" 1920x1200 screen has (well, if I believe what the driver says) 94 DPI, which is a reasonably nice combination. < 1226528083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: if you're on KDE, it has an option for absolutely everything I think < 1226528087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to find it < 1226528088 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :120dpi here, i think. < 1226528096 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Whatever happened to reasonable defaults? < 1226528100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on KDE 4, I couldn't find the options at all) < 1226528101 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, this is Linux. < 1226528130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it seems that maximised windows don't have resize handles any more on this version of Gnome, they used to < 1226528144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I even used them on occasion < 1226528178 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION changes all system fonts to helvetica because bitstream is the scourge of the earth
< 1226528194 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat. < 1226528195 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Helvetica. < 1226528205 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, it's non-free. < 1226528219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that doesn't mean a Linux version doesn't exist < 1226528230 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure feel freedom-enhanced with this. Free by default! < 1226528242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone has the same love of helvetica you do... < 1226528271 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said that. < 1226528284 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's kind of sad that there are like 3 fonts on this system, and they're all free, and they're all pig-ugly. < 1226528288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not today, I'm pretty sure you implied you did years ago though < 1226528301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what sort of package choice does gobolinux install by default? < 1226528311 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More barebones than Ubuntu. < 1226528317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not many packages, it seems relatively likely that they only installed just enough fonts to get the thing working < 1226528323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have more as options < 1226528324 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System stuff, openoffice, browser, irc client, etc < 1226528325 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about it < 1226528338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you install the IRC client yourself? < 1226528387 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; a shitty circa-2002 one came by default. < 1226528395 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"KSirc" < 1226528409 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_ CTCP: VERSION Konversation 1.0.1 (C) 2002-2006 by the Konversation team < 1226528413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, presumably it's so people can get help on a newly installed version < 1226528439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I have a newer Konversation than ehird_, it seems < 1226528450 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, that's expected. < 1226528477 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sound on this; that's annoying. < 1226528492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a prefectly good set of characters in the rom, why use fonts :o < 1226528511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: there are about 6 different options for sound under Linux, IME about 3 or 4 of them work on any given system < 1226528515 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet the oklotalk OS will be like colorforth except moreso < 1226528517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE4 autoselects one that works which is nice < 1226528521 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I put Freespire on my laptop, sound worked, but there was no way to control the volume < 1226528521 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, but drivers, yo. < 1226528523 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1226528533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know colorforth, but if it's mentioned two more times, i will look at it < 1226528538 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha, freespire < 1226528540 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: colorforht < 1226528542 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorforth < 1226528543 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorforth < 1226528545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the two colorforths ehird now says don't count) < 1226528558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(damn my slow typing) < 1226528585 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorforth < 1226528586 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorforth < 1226528590 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's not "now" any more < 1226528592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard colorforth mentioned before, but I don't know what it is < 1226528593 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's after now. < 1226528597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should look at it too < 1226528607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's easier to wait here and hope someone will tell me what it is < 1226528625 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: colorforth is a magical unicorn. < 1226528649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it's some kinda gui for forth, but i have no idea really. < 1226528655 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1226528660 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an OS written in assembly and forth < 1226528664 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the assembly is like 100 lines < 1226528666 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest is forth < 1226528669 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written by chuck moore < 1226528671 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creator of forth < 1226528671 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1226528675 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's literally colorforth < 1226528678 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, Freespire only sucks when you realize that you've been using Ubuntu for a while and all your settings are on Ubuntu and you're too lazy to transfer stuff and also when printers don't just work, but due to some boot record mixup or something you're unable to boot to Ubuntu < 1226528679 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of : and ; and stuff < 1226528681 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use colours. < 1226528689 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: freespire sucks because it's linspire < 1226528697 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA Lindows < 1226528706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that does sound interesting < 1226528709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: "too lazy to transfer stuff"? just copy across all the dot directories < 1226528725 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wanted Freespire to be somewhat distinct < 1226528743 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you possible conform to the linux masses :D < 1226528760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... it sucks because it doesn't have your settings, you could easily copy your settings but you want it to be different so you don't? < 1226528829 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@kitten ~]sudo InstallPackage KDE < 1226528831 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPGRADE TIME < 1226528831 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely thinks that he should never have switched from Windows to Linux
< 1226528839 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kitten < 1226528839 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1226528845 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION upgrades his kitten.
< 1226528899 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funny thing is, GoboLinux is pretty much exactly what any distribution I made would be like. < 1226528903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: why? < 1226528919 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOUSE YOU HAVE A SCROLLWHEEL USE IT < 1226528919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i switched to linux, then back, all that changed is now i know linux is basically the same os as windows. < 1226528926 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES ITS A FANCY 3D ONE BUT GODDAMN >:( < 1226528930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to think it was something much more awesome < 1226528933 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There are a lot of Windows-only programs I like < 1226528934 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: from a user perspective, maybe < 1226528936 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but internally, way different. < 1226528952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very primitive os. < 1226528960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how you look at it < 1226528967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: ah, ok < 1226528967 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny thing is, at this point in time, Linux is working better than Windows, and SL does not work well on Windows for me for some reason < 1226528982 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not the sort of thing I entered into using Linux on a regular basis knowing < 1226528982 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This might seem out of nowhere but has anyone ever played Sysop 3 on a BBS? < 1226528992 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1226528993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: I thought sl was just a silly program that showed a picture of a steam train, to punish people for typoing "ls" < 1226528996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1226529005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doitle2: I expect someone has, I haven't though < 1226529010 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize that installers would break on my Windows partition, and I didn't realize that SL would work better on Linux < 1226529012 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SL = second life < 1226529013 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SL == Second Life < 1226529013 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume < 1226529020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed... < 1226529030 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@kitten ~]sl < 1226529030 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desktop logs snapshot1.png < 1226529037 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no steam locomotives here < 1226529058 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to make money and my phone line is damaged and I can't afford the service call to get it fixed... I'm a terrible Sysop < 1226529082 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doitle2: You missed the 80s. Sorry to be the bringer of bad news. :-P < 1226529104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doitle2: who are you, anyway? I don't think I've seen you around here before < 1226529105 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly, I wasn't old enough to run my own BBS back in the 80s so I'm getting to experience a lost art < 1226529106 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, GoboLinux can auto-merge config files for new versions. < 1226529115 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it sane to get irritated when one's economics professor states that the "70" in the Rule of 70 was derived by trial and error, when the Rule of 70 is clearly purely mathematical in nature, and not an estimatation based on economic observations/ < 1226529127 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: i dunno lol < 1226529128 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I joined maybe... 4-5 days ago after playing around with some BF and then joinin #bf and being redirected here < 1226529131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: it rather depends on what the rule of 70 is < 1226529136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1226529142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!Hello, then! < 1226529143 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, then! < 1226529150 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEONE FIX MY MOUSE WHEEL < 1226529153 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: say hi to Doitle2 < 1226529153 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: :D < 1226529164 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.marteydodoo.com/2007/06/08/wireless-mighty-mouse-on-ubuntu-linux/ < 1226529165 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho < 1226529166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (hi Doitle2)S < 1226529166 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Doitle2 < 1226529174 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_70 < 1226529239 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that bot interperet BF code? < 1226529250 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not does that exist, if not if not... Could I make one... hmm < 1226529255 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doitle2: fungot interprets bF < 1226529255 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: for a new order of succession, that player < 1226529258 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is writen in befunge < 1226529266 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot is written in thutu (string rewriting language) < 1226529268 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and interprets underload < 1226529273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bots that interpret BF code aren't all that hard < 1226529275 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot is written in ruby, and talks nonsense. < 1226529276 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: lame :P < 1226529281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha. < 1226529286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, fungot talks nonsense too! < 1226529286 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: elements: grafty < 1226529288 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: yes, you are pretty lame < 1226529288 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: 3.2.2 < 1226529293 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: what < 1226529294 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: 1 pgimeno: bf < 1226529296 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: shut up < 1226529296 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: it's loosely based on Sonata form < 1226529301 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (optbot)S < 1226529302 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot < 1226529302 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: but blame my .bashrc for some of that < 1226529302 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot: ok :) < 1226529306 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. < 1226529321 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1226529321 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | their own stack, own loaded fingerprints, position, delta, etc.... < 1226529328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need bots for more esolangs in here, really < 1226529334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot did loads of them when it was around < 1226529334 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1226529352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm we only have Underload and Brainfuck < 1226529368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... also fungot can run raw Funge as it has an eval command, but only fizzie can use it because it isn't sandboxed in any way < 1226529368 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: message to the < 1226529370 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226529376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss < 1226529376 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss < 1226529385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot runs underload too; although doing underload is not significantly harder than brainfuck in Befunge, especially if you do what I did and use the STRN fingerprint. < 1226529386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: spout some Shakespeare-like nonsense at me < 1226529386 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cam. euen he, your wife, is she drown'd? queen. i see no sense for't, but some defect in her did quarrell with the noblest grace she ow'd, and put vp my yron dagger. answere me like men: when griping griefes the heart doth wound, then musicke with her siluer sound, because musitions sound for siluer pet. pratest to, what say you? < 1226529386 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is offended to learn that quite possibly, the rule of 70 was in fact initially derived by trial and error
< 1226529387 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lenox. and that set together is noddy for my paines: i pray thee fnord them, with a quietness of spirit, life, honour, truth, and everything in readiness for fnord fnord i will have forty moys, or i: yet, you rogue! < 1226529401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bard was so fond of fnords. < 1226529405 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gobo comes with nano but not vi... < 1226529408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: because people didn't know how to logarithmise 2 < 1226529451 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One version of) NetBSD comes with "ex" with instructions for "here's how to mount /usr in advance if you're such a wimp that you need vi instead of ex for config-file editing". < 1226529488 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex is a crazy bitch < 1226529506 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<==goes to read new Fine Structure < 1226529511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if you're such a wimp that you need vi instead of ex for config-file editing" < 1226529523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the sort of attitude designed to repel people from Linux, I think < 1226529526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1226529531 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it wasn't written exactly with those words. < 1226529543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just my interpretation. < 1226529566 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's called a joke, I think < 1226529589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have bundled a full GUI with the config file < 1226529602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written in INTERCAL < 1226529652 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets scared: He's starting to like linux
< 1226529658 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For an actual desktop OS :P < 1226529689 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it will piss me off soon enough., < 1226529730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, all OSs annoy me, it's just a case of sticking to one I can learn to get around < 1226529739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1226529743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu-proposed is nice as when it annoys me I can normally fix it < 1226529745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: night < 1226529752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I can't I can wait for someone else to often < 1226529773 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, some day, firefox and emacs will merge. < 1226529781 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then grow a desktop environment. < 1226529784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1226529786 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a kernel, and a bootloader. < 1226529791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: I've decided that emcas was in fact originally intended to be an OS not an editor < 1226529796 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, you'll go out to the store < 1226529797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emcas? < 1226529800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs < 1226529802 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and buy a Firemacs < 1226529810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Extended Magic Computer Algebra System? < 1226529810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1226529813 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that it has finally grown physical hardware. < 1226529815 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226529815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our work-workstations switched from SuSE into Ubuntu recently; following the hipness. < 1226529824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny bacronym IMO < 1226529847 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226529849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite bacronym for Emacs is ESC Meta-Alt-Ctrl-Shift-... < 1226529852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is that a funny backronym for FBI? < 1226529854 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs is a very old piece of software with no future < 1226529866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hahah < 1226529870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no < 1226529876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the one for emcas < 1226529879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep? yes. -> < 1226529881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the typo of emacs < 1226529913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also it is a nethack reference < 1226529916 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: how come nobody calls _you_ out for your opinionated, unjustified statements < 1226529917 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1226529921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you understand it < 1226529930 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw i agree. < 1226529933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, also you are wrong < 1226529943 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: see? they do < 1226529947 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh joy, AnMaster noticed your prescense < 1226529958 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: i think you should just kick AnMaster forever. < 1226529960 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wrong how? < 1226529960 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss. < 1226529970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, because editor choice is subjective < 1226529979 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1226529981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually a very very vague slashem reference that took me about 10 seconds to get after I was told it was there < 1226529982 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said nothing about editor choice < 1226529990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I even know a few people who use ed daily < 1226529999 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure, how does that make me wrong? < 1226530000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no nethack too < 1226530010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, NetHack EM existed iirc < 1226530020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got merged into normal nethack < 1226530026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around version 3 or so < 1226530027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1226530027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a patch, not a different version < 1226530033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah maybe < 1226530033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and IIRC it was called the wizard patch < 1226530077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok < 1226530078 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how AnMaster would react to gobolinux. < 1226530081 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit, I just alerted him to it < 1226530088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I like it, but I see a few issues < 1226530092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general idea I like < 1226530105 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which issues? It's been working fine for me. < 1226530105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I dislike the dir hiding kernel module < 1226530129 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Get rid of the filesystem cruft, as long as you don't get rid of the filesystem cruft." < 1226530130 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1226530131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Slash'EM is a combination of SLASH and the Wizard Patch. < 1226530132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but other than that I think it got some very good idea < 1226530141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I haven't personally tried it however < 1226530148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can't be any more specific < 1226530158 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye all < 1226530182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and to me it is just an alternative package manager < 1226530184 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1226530188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I know < 1226530194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, I haven't personally tried it < 1226530224 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't. < 1226530239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an alternative directory structure < 1226530241 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a decluttering of the filesystem layout that happens to let you have no package manager. < 1226530245 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's a regular distro besides. < 1226530254 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really a one-trick pony. < 1226530261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders about a reverse-symlink gobolinux, which works exactly the same except that the symlinks are the other way round
< 1226530273 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That would kind of defeat the point, though. < 1226530277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1226530280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? what's the difference? < 1226530280 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1226530285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cleanup scripts would work just as well < 1226530288 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you benefit because the physical layout is like that < 1226530294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how, exactly/ < 1226530296 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you can't have two versions simultaneously in the traditional layout < 1226530304 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you have two version dirs linking to /usr/bin/prog < 1226530306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different names < 1226530306 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't < 1226530312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoconf-2.6 < 1226530313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoconf-2.5 < 1226530315 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So, essentially, you defeat the point of gobolinux. < 1226530317 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent. < 1226530318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: well how does it deal with that normally, given the symlinks are needed? < 1226530324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it links one and not the other < 1226530325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, was just making a point < 1226530332 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It just symlinks the active version. But the point is, /Programs is a permanent store. < 1226530335 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No "active" concept. < 1226530336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd end up with one in the old tree and one in the new tree, dormant but runnable < 1226530347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better still: hardlinks! < 1226530364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need some way to find the other end of a hardlink that's more efficient than scanning the entire filesystem < 1226530367 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there's no actual reason to do it the reverse way < 1226530369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or the other 2+ ends) < 1226530379 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the symlinks are only there for legacy programs which can't handle a different layout. < 1226530383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to demonstrate that the idea isn't so different < 1226530392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardlinks break separate / /usr and so on < 1226530394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I use < 1226530397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: no, not at all, they're also there for the PATH < 1226530401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I put everything but / and /boot on lvm < 1226530403 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: overlay mounts < 1226530404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for finding shared libraries < 1226530410 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is the reccomended solution for gobolinux < 1226530414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, hardlinks still doesn't work that way ;) < 1226530422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: I don't think you can do hardlinks across filesystems is AnMaster's point < 1226530422 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sure < 1226530424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or you mean unionfs? < 1226530425 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1226530435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1226530439 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes OS that uses RDF as a filesystem.
< 1226530440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think you should be able to, that's an FS implementation deficiency rather than anything semantic < 1226530448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does gobolinux work with /usr on LVM? < 1226530454 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no idea. < 1226530456 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it. < 1226530457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1226530468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I will if I get a computer to try it on < 1226530470 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I'm using binary packages and it's still taking hours to update KDE4. < 1226530475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or virtual box I guess < 1226530477 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because of the myriad dependencies. < 1226530481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's nothing in /System/Links/Executables (which /usr is a symlink to) but symlinks on gobolinux < 1226530491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so putting it in a separate filesystem would be kind-of silly < 1226530495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, and that is an issue < 1226530502 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its not < 1226530505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since I use read only mounted / < 1226530505 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :symlinks take up 0 space < 1226530507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for security issues < 1226530510 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put the actual LINKED files in the right place < 1226530515 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :security issues lol :D < 1226530521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :security reasons* < 1226530522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typoed < 1226530529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: actually, one interesting point that gobolinux's explanation page didn't cover is how to simulate a read-only /usr < 1226530531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I am paranoid < 1226530537 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really want to see the person AnMaster has in his head attacking his computer < 1226530538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, read only / you mean < 1226530538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr is designed so it can be, after all < 1226530541 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he must be really, really clever < 1226530542 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fast < 1226530546 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and invincible < 1226530549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true < 1226530551 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have the fastest supercomputer to crack things < 1226530551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, I mean read-only /usr, that's entirely possible < 1226530555 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is working for the government < 1226530559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah < 1226530559 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO DID 9/11 WAKE UP SHEEPLE < 1226530562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think /var exists? < 1226530568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed < 1226530587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do that on gobolinux you'd somehow have to have all the executables on a different filesystem < 1226530609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1226530618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and that is the second downside kind of < 1226530620 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ask #gobolinux. < 1226530623 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster too. < 1226530624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think even overlay mounts solve that < 1226530633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I will, because I think it would be interesting to have a solution < 1226530634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I will if I plan to install it < 1226530640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm planning to go to bed < 1226530645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really need to < 1226530652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see this solved, rather than point to it and say haha < 1226530669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok < 1226530711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my guess is you can't < 1226530720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, make a solution then! < 1226530723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also the separate / and /usr doesn't work well < 1226530729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can figure out < 1226530733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on gobolinux or in general? < 1226530734 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's just because you like seeing things other than the solution you use fail < 1226530737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, on gobo < 1226530747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since / contains the stuff needed to mount the /usr < 1226530748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, exactly, you'd separate / and /Programs instead < 1226530751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including lvm and such < 1226530761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those would just be symlinks to the /Programs < 1226530763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on lvm < 1226530767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...catch-22 < 1226530769 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a /System FYI. < 1226530773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah < 1226530778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that solves it I guess < 1226530783 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@kitten ~]ls /System < 1226530783 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel Links Settings Variable < 1226530785 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no libs, though < 1226530788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1226530792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't help < 1226530794 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the kernel, /boot, modules, etc. < 1226530798 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :startup scripts < 1226530799 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :et al < 1226530813 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of people have a "read-only shared /usr from NFS" setups; I'm sure someone has had time to think about it. < 1226530818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, needs what other distros call the statically linkd /sbin/lvm < 1226530824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gobolinux's answer to that is "it's 2008, have you never heard of a LiveCD?" < 1226530836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm... that's not very good on remote servers I suppose < 1226530836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that made no sense < 1226530865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I asked in #gobolinux but nobody's answered yet < 1226530867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I didn't see that answer in #gobolinux? < 1226530881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I was referring to the mount being not on /usr thing < 1226530884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1226530903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I guess you could do it with a messy initramfs < 1226530905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, it makes no sense with respect to the read-only /usr thing < 1226530914 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#gobolinux just slowed down XD < 1226530928 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: iirc, initramfs IS the gobolinux solution to that crap < 1226530944 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with that,. < 1226530953 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except they seem to call it squashfs < 1226530970 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://squashfs.sourceforge.net/ < 1226530975 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1226530982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1226530988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqashfs is something else < 1226530992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squashfs* < 1226531000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a compressed read only fs < 1226531004 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1226531005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used on installcds and such < 1226531026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like busybox, but for filesystems? < 1226531037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, afaik kernel can't use it for initramfs. which is a compressed ext2 image iirc < 1226531038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/install CDs/install floppy disks/ < 1226531045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC! < 1226531050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I think it's great being able to put busybox on a floppy disk < 1226531056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I IRC too, so does everyone in this channel < 1226531058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hahah < 1226531065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1226531070 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is squashfs initrd support. < 1226531075 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gobolinux installer defaults the filesystem to reiserfs, it was released in 2008-04 < 1226531075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh ok < 1226531077 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was rather amusing :) < 1226531084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes. < 1226531089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use ext3 or xfs < 1226531092 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's in the mainstream kernel, but it exists. < 1226531093 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using ext3, yes. < 1226531097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: I've been waiting several months for an opportunity to make that joke < 1226531107 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, surely reiser's corporation will carry on maintaining it. < 1226531113 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I suppose they'll change the name :-P < 1226531125 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might as well call it BabyKillerFS < 1226531127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what reiserfs version? < 1226531131 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dunno. < 1226531133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1226531145 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i am actually using lilo instead of grub < 1226531146 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-O < 1226531152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I got some old installs still using reiser, since back in 2004 or so < 1226531153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1226531156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fragmentation < 1226531164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavy fragmentation < 1226531173 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits to be asked why lilo, not grub
< 1226531174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, weird, why not grub? < 1226531181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or elillo? < 1226531183 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: EFI < 1226531190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh isn't that elilo then? < 1226531195 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, rEFIt < 1226531195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of lilo < 1226531199 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1226531204 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lilo with 0 timeout < 1226531204 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1226531209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Description: Linux boot loader for EFI-based systems such as IA-64 < 1226531210 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rEFIt, the boot manager thingy < 1226531210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1226531212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1226531219 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boots it with bios emulation < 1226531220 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mbr < 1226531222 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that sort of crap < 1226531230 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so lilo picks it up and boots into linux immediately < 1226531237 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grub requires a patch to work with refit, apparently < 1226531250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, linux supports EFI < 1226531266 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's all very nice on paper. < 1226531281 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be even nicer if it meant something in practice, but it doesn't, and this is the only sane setup you can get < 1226531284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it is incomplete? < 1226531290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1226531296 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know; I know that you can't get 2d accelleration with efi < 1226531306 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't even want to bother trying to coerce it into working < 1226531308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what? that made no sense < 1226531353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRUB 2 should do EFI quite well; at least that's what they've been saying. Not sure if I'd dare to use that thing just yet, though. < 1226531393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1226531394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1226531420 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upgrade faster, KDE. :~ < 1226531536 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPGRADED < 1226531563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tried archlinux btw? < 1226531580 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, don't feel any particular inclination to < 1226531584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm probably too manual for you < 1226531589 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes it unique? < 1226531592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like a binary gentoo in certain ways < 1226531603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it on slower systems < 1226531606 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the advantages are.... < 1226531611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i686 optimised < 1226531615 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is gobolinux < 1226531616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot of gui stuff < 1226531618 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even support i386 < 1226531620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :traditional < 1226531634 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how traditional=good < 1226531642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, it is a matter of taste < 1226531653 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a matter of masochism < 1226531655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got a fast package manager ;P < 1226531664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blazing fast < 1226531666 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has gobo; it's called ext3 < 1226531668 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably stuck with this Debian, since I happen to like it and know rather well how to use it. < 1226531674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well you said KDE took long < 1226531676 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1226531676 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc < 1226531684 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that was just the downloading. < 1226531689 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fact that it has 5000000 dependencies anyway. < 1226531691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah right < 1226531701 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Asleep.) < 1226531705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night too < 1226531752 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. Stupid CMake and its "you have to build me with myself" fetish. < 1226531823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh? < 1226531835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean it bootstraps itself < 1226531836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1226531841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes quite long < 1226531856 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just built yourself with autotools, so shut up, you don't have to do it again. < 1226531858 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shoots cmake
< 1226531877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think it builds a stripped down version < 1226531889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat like stage 1 gcc < 1226532523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1226532526 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1226532538 0 :_ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1226532593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1226532596 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1226532607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I'm about to miss my train, gtg... < 1226533113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what's this i hear about boolean evaluation? < 1226533132 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i can't figure out how to do it efficiently < 1226533155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n) with respect to what? < 1226533192 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the size of the hash table < 1226533220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you repeat the problem? < 1226533252 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hash table that maps items to lists of tags < 1226533262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rephrasing, preferably, as i recall not understanding what you wanted when reading the first time) < 1226533300 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to return all the items whose tags make a boolean expression evaluate to true < 1226533302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and you want to find all items that have a certain boolean expression in the tags true? < 1226533309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops :) < 1226533394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the expression may vary? < 1226533407 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1226533475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't we discuss this once before? possibly without finding a solution < 1226533489 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so... < 1226533490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we = someone on this channel, at least < 1226533580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm isn't it NP-complete just to find out if there _are_ any hits < 1226533629 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP-complete? < 1226533641 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious algorith is O(n) < 1226533644 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n is number of items < 1226533651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the expression size < 1226533680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say the items have _all_ possible combinations of tags on/off < 1226533735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then finding the hits requires minimally solving SAT for the expression < 1226533757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not essentially easier than brute force search i think < 1226533774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means O(n) in the hash table size may be optimal for that case < 1226533833 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do search engines do it then? < 1226533835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming there is no essentially better SAT solving algorithm, a famous problem indeed) < 1226533868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they rarely allow arbitrary boolean expressions do they? < 1226533875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google doe < 1226533875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1226533881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NOT A) and B or (NOT C) < 1226533902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if the expression is much smaller than log of the hashtable size < 1226533949 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it would usually be for a web search i should think :D < 1226534002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. so this is essentially how to design part of a search engine... < 1226534002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your tags are rather rare, you can have just indices for those items where A, B, ... are true, and then you can do "(not A) and B" by taking the set-difference of B true and A true. < 1226534022 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: won't work < 1226534125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it would be a good idea to search relevant literature. < 1226534163 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what your garden-variety search engine does, though; for example postgres's tsearch2. The documents are turned into lists of words, and then it keeps an index which tells you which documents contain what words. < 1226534179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is no obvious solution, but google is obviously doing it, then there are probably research articles and/or patents < 1226534209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had someone from Google explain their general architecture to me (as a visiting lecturer), but I've mostly forgotten it. < 1226534279 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would expect them to start with the frequency of each word and then generate a search strategy based on starting with the rarest words < 1226534301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps even indexing pairs of words < 1226534353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/i would expect them/my first idea to do such a thing would be/