00:00:48 I do think I have absolute pitch. 00:01:13 then just write this program, it's very easy 00:01:18 -!- nooga_ has changed nick to nooga. 00:01:21 Okay. 00:01:22 you can find sources for tone generation 00:01:43 tons of ways to do it, you can be high level and do midi, or low level and do sine waves + sdl 00:01:53 Or use JavaScript and piano sounds. 00:02:00 or that. 00:02:09 a.wav, asharp.wav, b.wav, etc 00:02:10 :D 00:03:27 I could confuse myself by having asharp.wav and bflat.wav as different pitches. 00:03:42 Or I could shut up about alternative tunings. 00:04:51 if you have absolute pitch that can tell A# from Bb 00:05:00 in whatever sane temperament 00:05:11 then you're a fucking genius and should probably work as a piano tuner? 00:05:43 I'm sure distinguishing them is relatively easy in 19-tone equal temperament. 00:08:24 Wait, A# and Bb are different? 00:08:49 In some tunings, yes. 00:09:17 If your piano has only one key between A and B, go ahead and use it for both A# and Bb. 00:10:17 * warrie tries to see if Python can easily do MIDI 00:15:46 does anyone remember the recent tool that generates grammars based on example sources? 00:19:37 never heard of it, but now I want to see it! 00:19:55 warrie: if you want to you can build your own synth system 00:20:06 using an audio device 00:22:29 Sounds easier to use MIDI or something. 00:22:55 get the value of the 12th root of 2 00:23:03 then, 440Hz = A-4 00:23:14 to go up an octave, *2 00:23:24 to go up a semitone, * 12th root of 2 00:23:41 down is just dividing instead of multiplying 00:24:36 * Sgeo wants to transplant a conversation into here 00:26:18 wow. google calculator gave me the answer. 00:26:19 12th root of 2 = 1.05946309 00:26:49 A computer chip that can receive things sent from the future 00:27:09 that would be hot. 00:27:38 char wormhole_recv(char slot) 00:27:50 and wormhole_send(char slot, char data) 00:28:00 as low level functions 00:28:08 This is what I really like about Google Calculator: http://www.google.com/search?q=%281+month+*+1+lunar+month%29%2F%281+month+-+1+lunar+month%29+*+once+in+a+blue+moon 00:29:42 The fact that it defines "once in a blue moon" somehow that should make sense to be from that but doesn't? 00:30:28 Why is a blue moon = (month-lunarmonth) / (month*lunarmonth)? 00:30:52 A blue moon is the second full moon in a calendar month, I believe. 00:33:46 something like that 00:34:07 heh 00:36:13 So, what things can be done on a system like what I described 00:36:25 Future IMs, Perfect Password Cracker 00:37:39 finding out your test results 00:38:06 That would be under Future IM/Email 00:38:37 Evacuations of buildings that could easily give false positives but never false negatives 00:40:43 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:41:52 wormhole_recv: receive a message from the future. wormhole_send: send a message to the past, but doesn't always send what you give it. 00:43:49 MizardX, why would you do that? 00:44:02 easier to implement :) 00:44:09 rofl 00:44:16 any other reason? 00:44:19 no 00:45:02 There's also the Pime Taradox issue: Someone might right a function like this: 00:45:18 wormhole_send(wormhole_recv()+1) 00:45:55 To prevent random lightning strikes as the resolution, the chip should randomly, on wormhole_recv, through some sort of trap or exception like PimeTaradox 00:45:57 I guess it just keeps destroying the universe until it finds a fixed point or something 00:46:06 The possibility of this needs to be controllable, I think 00:48:04 I prefer my model: Assuming I haven't extrapolated too wildly, every quantum circuit has a fixed point. The wormhole gate pretty much just tells you what it is. 00:48:26 That involves quantum compution though 00:48:31 Which is a bit mind-bending 00:48:55 Yes, but once you bend your mind once, it should stay that way. 00:51:37 I think you said my way was more poweful? 00:52:04 * Sgeo doesn't know the limitations or benefits of your quantum system 00:56:10 I think I did say your way was more powerful. 00:56:18 http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p342611616.txt ;) 00:56:44 can't you have a hot spare? 00:57:30 warrie: did you write the program yet? 00:58:04 Nope. 00:58:36 MizardX, don't tell me you're actually trying to implement this.. 00:58:39 i wonder if there's any benefit to such a program, though 00:58:48 i.e. whether it would train absolute pitch or not 00:59:13 MizardX randomly takes a number, or receives something from the past 00:59:31 absolute pitch would be ridiculously useful for writing music you hear down 00:59:53 I'm sure it would be as effective as flash cards for anything else. 01:00:00 i'm not. 01:00:19 I mean, not if you don't already have absolute pitch; that seems to be established well enough. 01:00:49 * jayCampbell pitches an absolute fit 01:01:59 ..grr 01:02:13 warrie: if you already have it, what does "training" it do? 01:02:31 * Sgeo wants new OotS 01:02:43 with flashcards, when you're shown an unknown word twice, you might not know the word, but you would be able to tell that it's the same 01:02:58 i'm not sure if "underdeveloped" absolute pitch works like that 01:03:13 * Sgeo abuses his TLL computer to peak at the new OotS 01:03:15 Ooh! 01:03:30 lament: I'm quite familiar with G, having listened to Bach's "Little" Fugue in G minor many times. 01:04:20 oh, that fugue is nice 01:04:27 -!- kt3k has joined. 01:04:53 but if you can remember one note, then you just need to measure the interval from it to the note you hear, which is relative pitch and very easy 01:05:17 But that takes two steps. 01:05:31 but if you heard the same fugue played in f#, would you notice? :) 01:06:28 I imagine so. 01:06:33 nice 01:07:26 i feel kinda dumb not having absolute pitch, so if it can be trained that would be nice 01:08:02 There's a piano at school that seems to be shifted in pitch a bit, though by less than a semitone, I'm guessing. 01:13:44 -!- kt3k has quit ("CHOCOA"). 01:13:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonal_memory 01:13:53 "Tonal memory may be used as a strategy for learning to identify musical tones absolutely. Although those who attempt the strategy believe they are learning absolute pitch, the ability thus learned is generally not musically relevant[3], and their absolute tonal memory declines substantially or completely over time if not constantly reinforced." 01:14:06 i believe that's what the flashcard program would do. 01:14:34 http://www.aruffo.com/eartraining/research/articles/meyer99.htm 01:14:52 although that paper is from 1899 so who knows 01:18:58 damn, so you can't develop absolute pitch if you don't have it :( 01:19:35 and if you know G because you listened to a fugue in G a lot, that would be tonal memory, not absolute pitch 01:21:48 How am I supposed to know if I have absolute pitch or not, then? 01:22:49 absolute pitch means you perceive pitch as one of the characteristics of the note 01:23:06 without any relationship to other notes (including ones you have memorized) 01:24:34 like, blue is blue because it's blue, not because it's different from green in a certain way 01:26:56 well, I don't have absolute colour :( 01:26:57 at least relative pitch can certainly be trained, and it's arguably much more useful 01:27:13 How do you falsify absolute pitch? 01:28:38 good question! 01:29:35 wikipedia gives no hints 01:29:51 other than hypersensitivity to the pitch being correct 01:30:06 i.e. you should notice when a piece is playing in the wrong key 01:30:59 "the tasks of identification (recognizing and naming a pitch) and discrimination (detecting changes or differences in rate of vibration) are accomplished with different brain mechanisms." 01:31:16 does that mean absolute pitch is visible on EEG? 01:32:25 http://www.zainea.com/absolpitch.pdf 01:32:29 Being unable to turn it 01:32:29 off, many possessors of AP perform dramatically poorer at 01:32:30 judging whether a melody and its transposed counterpart 01:32:34 are the same 01:33:28 Does it count if I can remember the key a piece of music is in? 01:33:50 what do you mean? 01:34:04 can you tell the key, by listening to the music? 01:34:53 you don't need perfect pitch for that 01:35:57 jayCampbell: what do you need? 01:36:09 If you played me "Amaranth" on the piano, I could tell you whether it's in the same key as a certain YouTube video of it. 01:38:28 since you have musical training, i think with absolute pitch you ought to guess the note pretty much all of the time 01:38:56 Some people have AP for only a single tone – often their 01:38:56 tuning note – and fail to show the automatic and rapid 01:38:56 identification found in true AP possessors (hence, this is 01:38:56 termed ‘quasi-AP’). They are able to obtain high scores on 01:38:56 standard AP tests by calculating tone names from their 01:38:58 one internal referent. It is only when reaction times are 01:39:01 collected that they can be distinguished from true AP 01:39:03 possessors. 01:39:13 heh! falsifiable via reaction time :) 01:39:54 it's easier for me to recognize or hum an E than other notes 01:40:25 -!- warrie has changed nick to Warrigal. 01:40:27 maybe i'm a quasi, i think i recognize other keys as being shifted from E 01:40:34 There, now G's in my nick. 01:41:05 er, good job 01:42:27 Everybody knows that people with "G" in their nick are substantially cooler than the rest. 01:43:14 Actually, the letter A is what makes a nick cool. 01:43:24 So everybody who's spoken recently except... GregorR, I guess. 01:43:47 You're exempt, though, because Gregor is an actual name. 01:44:09 a's cancel each other out though, having two is like having none. 01:44:45 In that case, I'm also exempt, because "warrigal" is an actual word. 01:44:47 :( 01:45:33 * Sgeo isn't cool? 01:46:39 It's all about pronounceability, or pronuncibility, or whatever that thing's called. 01:47:53 Should I assume your "g" and "e" are pronounced the same way as in your real name? 01:48:14 The "g" in Sgeo is pronounced the opposite from my real name 01:49:02 Is the "e" a short e, a long e, a long a, or something else? 01:49:25 Suh Jee Oh 01:49:43 That makes it a long e. 01:53:17 Well, installing the fancy thingy that's supposed to make Python make noise failed. 01:53:21 You do it, lament. :-P 02:14:51 Another use (of the TLL computer): Instant downloading of any size file 02:17:38 Instant cracking of hashed passwords, although I supposed that's not needed with the Perfect Password Cracker 02:32:12 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("I'm a thaasophobic."). 02:44:47 -!- at_deckards_hous has joined. 02:46:38 What Perfect Password Cracker? 03:03:53 -!- at_deckards_hous has quit (Connection timed out). 03:41:52 Hrm ... nethack starts, but seems stuck >_> 04:03:51 -!- Asztal has quit ("."). 05:00:49 -!- moozilla has joined. 05:04:18 -!- metazilla has joined. 05:04:19 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:04:42 -!- metazilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:04:54 -!- moozilla has joined. 05:21:46 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:21:56 -!- moozilla has joined. 05:22:47 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:40:32 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit. 06:03:06 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 06:22:25 ais523, 06:23:07 i implemented your reversible brainfuck but i have no idea how it attains reversability 06:23:09 -!- Slereah has joined. 06:31:22 ais52, nevermind, it just clicked 06:32:11 that would be a good eso-challenge 06:32:38 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 06:33:41 create a brainfuck program that reverses another program's run 06:50:54 Hrm ... sounds halting-problem-ish. 06:51:24 it's worse 06:51:54 if my program prints integers starting from 0 and going up, should the reversed program print them from infinity going down? 07:24:58 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 07:35:07 -!- Judofyr has joined. 07:46:09 -!- decipher has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 07:51:33 -!- decipher has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:09:27 ais523 is the one to talk to about proofs 08:11:07 i just flipped a couple lines of code 08:13:16 -!- Judofyr has quit. 08:18:52 -!- oerjan has joined. 08:44:58 -!- Dewi has quit ("bbl"). 08:45:42 -!- Corun has joined. 08:53:12 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 08:55:54 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving"). 09:54:52 you don't need absolute pitch for writing anything you hear down 09:55:12 it only helps in that you don't need to hit a random piano key to get the relative in context. 09:55:23 02:04… lament: if you have absolute pitch that can tell A# from Bb <<< A# and Bb aren't different in any sane tuning. 09:56:02 makes no sense to have those two different, they simply have no conceptual difference. 09:57:09 and you definitely shouldn't make a.wav, asharp.wav etc., at least if you press the keys yourself, it's trivial to learn to recognize a certain ".wav", that has nothing to do with recognizing the pitch. 09:57:29 things -> 10:00:57 oklopol: a# and bb are different notes 10:01:11 they just happen to fall on the same pitch in 12-note equal temperament 10:02:16 but a violinist, say, is able to play them more correctly (closer to natural harmonics) 10:03:53 the difference is that a# is the note a fifth up from d#, and bB is the note a fifth down from f 10:04:10 what are their mathematical definitions? i go by 440*2**(n/12) for all purposes 10:04:11 the circle of fifths is actually a straight line of fifths 10:04:35 it goes in the direction of increasing sharps, in the opposite direction of increasing flats 10:04:38 both directions are infinite 10:04:57 oklopol: that _is_ 12 note equal temperament 10:05:18 ohh 10:05:25 yes, okay, now i get it, of course 10:05:30 but with 12 note equal temperament, we turn the straight line into a loop 10:05:39 you mean A# and Bb are different notes in C scale. 10:05:42 yeah, true. 10:05:42 by approximating the true pitches with one of 12 discrete choices 10:06:12 my point was exactly that they aren't different if you consider the whole set of scales. 10:06:29 they're different 10:06:42 they correspond to different frequencies, if you start at C and go up or down in fifths 10:06:52 yeah, and Ab in D scale is different than Ab in C scale 10:07:16 my point is A# and Bb don't have a fundamental difference, except in a certain scale 10:07:24 um 10:07:29 they're completely different notes 10:07:43 in 12-note equal temperament, they happen to fall on the same pitch 10:08:07 i'd like to see the math here. 10:08:22 sure 10:08:27 octaves are powers of two 10:08:58 fifths are powers of ummm 10:09:55 what are they powers of? :) 10:10:11 some rational number, anyway 10:10:24 hmm. i'm not sure you understood i do know A# and Bb are different notes, and that my point was just that they are also another two different notes if you start the scale of fifths from, say, D? 10:10:27 the interval ratio of the note up a fifth from a root note is 3:2 iirc 10:11:20 anyway i'm not interested in getting these ratios right, that's just adding an uninteresting complication to an otherwise nice system. 10:11:55 no, they will be the same if you start from D, provided that you arrived to D by starting at C first :) 10:12:08 umm 10:12:15 i mean they won't be the same 10:12:21 the D scale will not be correct then. 10:12:26 so no, you shouldn't start from C then 10:12:34 if you do, why not just use equiscale. 10:12:39 just as crooked 10:12:54 thing is 10:12:59 tonal music is built on the cycle of fifths 10:13:07 we choose an arbitrary pitch as the centre 10:13:25 in indian music, they don't even have fixed note frequencies, they just tune to whatever 10:13:40 as long as there's the center, other notes are defined in terms of it 10:13:49 unless you don't want to be tonal 10:13:56 which you don't have to be, of course 10:14:18 then you can just take the octave and divide it into N equidistant pitches, for example 10:14:28 or simply choose a set of N random frequencies as your "notes" 10:14:32 or do whatever 10:14:41 yes, and my point is, if you stick the fucking C in the middle all the time, and play in say D major, and then start telling A# and Bb are different, that's just bullcrap, that's just a random distinction. it's only helpful if you're actually playing in the scale your circle of fifths is tuned on 10:14:50 but if you're tonal, you have to follow the circle of fifths 10:14:57 12 is the only one that makes sense 10:15:11 no, that's not true 10:15:13 read wouter's article on the subject 10:15:24 12 is the most natural 10:15:29 perhaps 10:15:41 chinese classical music has 5 notes per octave? 10:15:52 they manage 10:15:56 anyway, i'm not at all interested, and you're not showing me the math, so you're basically saying nothing -> 10:16:08 they do? nevaheard, link something to me while i'm gone 10:16:13 because i don't believe you :P 10:16:15 the math is that the notes in a fifth are in a 3:2 ratio 10:16:15 !! -> 10:16:24 and no matter how many such ratios you put in a line 10:16:30 you will never get to a ratio that's a power of 2 10:16:47 i.e. no amount of fifths will ever add up to the same note modulo octave 10:16:56 i.e. the circle of fifths is not a circle at all 10:16:58 no offense, but i have a lecture in -1 minutes, and i can't leave if you're talking, so... :D 10:17:11 minute of silence, please? we can talk later 10:17:20 (not that i'm interested!) 10:17:20 i told you the math :) 10:17:28 yeah, and i asked 10:17:31 but i'm an idiot 10:17:34 that's no excuse 10:17:38 I GO! 10:17:39 -> 10:18:24 * lament goes to sleep 10:30:54 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 10:44:22 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 11:09:28 lament: yeah true i was wrong, of course D scale would be the same as C, the point is not that, the point is exactly what you said, we just choose an arbitrary subset of the circle of fifths. 11:10:36 anyway the system is still stupid, splitting evenly is better 11:10:41 back to lecture -> 12:09:17 -!- Sgeo has joined. 12:17:51 -!- Mony has joined. 12:18:46 plop 12:32:45 -!- Corun has joined. 13:16:40 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 13:17:53 hi oklopol 13:25:49 hi 13:26:17 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 13:26:38 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 14:20:08 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Ex-Chat"). 14:36:15 fizzie, any progress on jitfunge? 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(Also away right now, must transport self to another place.) 16:03:57 cya 16:04:53 -!- jix_ has joined. 16:14:17 -!- LolaCL has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 16:16:07 -!- LolaCL has joined. 16:31:38 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:16:52 hi ais523 17:17:01 hi 18:19:26 oklopol: sure, 12-tone equal temperament has a ton of advantages, which is why everyone is using it 18:19:38 oklopol: but you shouldn't confuse it for "reality" 18:19:56 i.e. just because A# = Bb in equal temperament, doesn't mean it is "really so" 18:21:16 -!- kar8nga has joined. 18:24:35 lament: i can't admit i'm wrong, so i have really nothing to say here! 18:25:24 and the differences aren't purely theoretic 18:25:46 my hearing is nothing special but i can certainly hear the difference between an equal-tempered major third and a "real" major third 18:25:54 i realized what the truth was once i realized there's also G### etc. 18:26:07 yeah 18:26:20 the number of sharps and flats grows up to infinity 18:26:47 although it only rarely gets to 2 in actual music, and almost never to 3 18:27:00 in fact 18:27:15 some composers just disregard the whole thing and assume equal temperament 18:27:17 how many sharps do you need before in a non-equal-tempered scale you end up back on the scale you started on 18:27:48 an infinite amount? 18:28:02 oklopol: I'm not sure 18:28:18 after all, a true sharp is + a certain frequency 18:28:19 (3/2)**m = 2**n 18:28:30 if it's something like that, then you'll never end up on the scale 18:28:35 it probably depends on the exact ratios 18:28:53 yes that's very probable :D 18:28:57 ais523: the pythagorean tuning, which i read about this morning, has 3/2 and 2 18:29:02 need to take teh dog out 18:29:18 oerjan: that's for fifths and octaves, isn't it? 18:29:22 yes 18:29:23 I'm wondering what it is for sharps 18:29:47 ais523: just jump in fifths? 18:29:57 gcd(12, 7) = 1 18:29:59 ais523: when you go up by 7 fifths, you reach the sharp of the original 18:30:02 dog -> 18:30:03 ah, yes 18:31:02 chopin's fantasia impromptu 18:31:08 is in c# minor 18:31:28 and then the middle portion is in the major of the same key 18:31:31 also, they used 5/4 (iirc) for major third in some tunings, which is neither pythagorean nor equal-tempered 18:32:17 but instead of writing it in c# major, chopin wrote it in Db major 18:32:19 lament: the wp article said that major thirds were dissonant with pythagorean tuning, so was not used in european music after 15th century or so 18:32:30 which makes no sense at all, other than as a shortcut 18:32:35 *that tuning was 18:32:45 and because pianists are more used to reading Dbmaj than C#maj 18:32:52 and because they correspond to the same keys on the piano 18:33:09 so actual composers totally disregard this theoretical bullshit :) 18:33:54 oerjan: which article? 18:34:17 erm 18:35:54 pythagorean tuning? 18:36:15 this pic is nice 18:36:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Music_intervals_frequency_ratio_equal_tempered_pythagorean_comparison.svg 18:36:25 lament: that was it 18:36:49 aha, i see 18:36:57 "Because fifths in Pythagorean tuning are in the simple ratio of 3:2, they sound very "smooth" and consonant. The thirds, by contrast, which are in the relatively complex ratios of 81:64 (for major thirds) and 32:27 (for minor thirds), sound less smooth." 18:36:58 second last paragraph of Method section 18:37:05 yes 18:37:13 yeah, 81:64 does not sound like it would be nice :) 18:37:41 when you think too much about it, head explodes 18:38:00 there're all these true intervals and none of them are compatible with each other 18:38:57 say you're playing in C major 18:39:08 and you want to play the G chord 18:39:19 is the D the note a fifth above G, or a second above C+ 18:39:23 s/C+/C? 18:41:07 * lament doesn't know the answer 18:41:28 9/8 does not seem like it would have any close simpler fractions... 18:41:47 i think it should be the second above C 18:41:50 so the second probably _is_ two fifths up 18:41:53 because C is your tonal centre 18:42:13 oh, good point, it is 18:43:18 er no 18:43:21 fifth is 3/2 18:43:41 3/2 * 3/2 / 2 = 9/8 18:43:49 er, right 18:44:51 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_intonation 18:46:26 so G major is a bad example, but good examples are only a tiny bit more complicated, like going from C major to D minor 18:47:00 at that point you have to make a choice of whether to stay in C major and have a D minor chord that sounds wrong, or switch to a whole new set of intervals 18:47:20 hmm 18:47:44 i can clearly hear a few notes being wrong in the just intonation. 18:48:01 -!- Corun has joined. 18:48:20 if you play C major on the guitar 18:48:21 oklopol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enharmonic explains why you would want to use both A# and Bb in your notation, even with equal temper, because you want a scale to have all base letters different 18:48:28 assuming the guitar is tuned correctly 18:48:32 the E will sound off 18:49:00 so some guitarists actually detune the E and make it a just major third above C 18:49:05 which makes C major sound nicer 18:49:11 the problem of course is that all the other keys are fucked 18:49:25 if you stay in one key, though, it's better 18:49:36 so these difficulties are definitely not just theoretical 18:50:47 ugh, just intonation sounds ugly 18:51:08 how's the piano tuned? 18:51:12 equal 18:51:18 ah okay 18:51:26 well makes sense then that i find that most natural 18:51:28 almost everything is tuned equal 18:51:29 yes 18:51:41 but major thirds definitely sound wrong :) 18:51:54 they're not "calm" enough 18:52:19 in the comparison thingie, just intonation had a pretty hideous major third 18:52:39 unlike equal, which had, well, major third :| 18:52:44 but i should look more into this. 18:52:53 i've never really cared about this 18:53:10 which is why i don't know anything 18:53:23 anyway, see you must watch series. 18:53:25 -!- Corun has quit ("Leaving"). 18:53:37 -!- kt3k has quit ("CHOCOA"). 19:23:13 -!- olsner has joined. 19:43:43 -!- Corun has joined. 20:02:44 -!- kar8nga has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:02:45 -!- kar8nga1 has joined. 20:03:16 -!- jix has joined. 20:05:09 -!- Mony has quit ("Hey Hoy let go !"). 20:17:43 -!- jix_ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 20:54:39 -!- Corun has changed nick to Terrorist. 20:54:45 -!- Terrorist has changed nick to Corun. 21:14:36 hi ais523 21:14:56 hi, btw I'm in a large argument in another channel atm so probably won't be paying attention for a while 21:15:23 ais523, ok 21:28:55 Maybe you should imply that you had sexual national congress with the mother of your opponent. 21:34:31 * oerjan notes that "sexual national congress" has only one google hit, which is fake 21:34:42 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:35:22 although it sounds like a rather large event 21:40:06 Python 3000 is ready! The official release may not come until tomorrow, but Barry has tagged the source and is preparing the release. We've been waiting for this release for almost nine years. The earliest reference I can find is a message from Guido to python-dev in Jan. 2000. 21:40:25 ^ cool. 21:55:04 -!- kar8nga1 has left (?). 21:56:07 yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. 21:56:35 lament: why are you yaying? 21:56:50 python 3k 21:56:55 ah, ok 21:57:01 I don't know much about python versions 21:57:21 it's something akin to perl 6 21:57:28 oh 21:57:32 I'm not sure if that's OK or oh dear 21:57:34 except not quite as ambitious, which is why it's actually out after 9 years 21:57:35 rather depends on what it's like 21:57:57 it's basically python, just with some compatibility-breaking changes 21:58:44 hm 21:59:08 ais523, well I made progress with the bf optimizing, but the code is too messy 21:59:18 so I probably won't make it too smart 21:59:24 it is a nightmare to maintain. 22:00:18 ais523, also the way the code currently looks it would be possible to change the emitting code to generate something else 22:00:22 very localized to one file 22:00:30 cervix 22:00:31 so generating bf could be done 22:00:34 .D 22:00:36 :D* 22:00:59 it wouldn't be very optimised though I don't think 22:01:04 you'd have to deoptimise it back into the original 22:01:05 ais523, true 22:01:11 http://www.python.org/ftp/python/3.0/ 22:01:20 ais523, however it could optimize lost kingdom slightly 22:01:43 ais523, like dropping some non-needed [-], changing order of some stuff 22:01:44 and such 22:01:54 so it would slightly optimize it yes 22:02:56 today, KIDS, we follow ehird as he tries to get a mathematica trial WITHOUT WAITING 2 BUSINESS DAYS FOR PEOPLE TO MANUALLY READ HIS REQUEST 22:03:01 Silly ehird! 22:03:18 ehird : Download it negro 22:03:47 Slereah: I was about to follow your advice, but I saw the all-important condition of being back so I won't, being white. 22:03:59 (I tried to. Mathematica 7 hasn't made its way anywhere yet.) 22:04:13 Why do you need seven? 22:04:20 I mean, 6 is cool and all 22:05:17 Slereah: I am a magical faery 22:05:19 That is why. 22:05:37 You faery. 22:06:21 hey ais523, i don't suppose your trial would work on a totally different OS and without a new key? :P 22:06:33 ehird: no, it wouldn't 22:06:38 damn 22:06:55 oh well, time to see if wolfram acknowledge the existence of 1 FAKE STREET 22:07:18 maybe ais523 could ask mister Wolfram. 22:07:18 that's one fake street name 22:07:23 They're buddies! 22:07:31 "Hey dude, I proved your machine" 22:07:37 "Can you like give me a Mathematica?" 22:08:27 Your Mathematica product trial request has been submitted and will be processed within three business days. In the meantime, you can explore all the latest features and complete documentation. 22:08:27 Want help getting started with Mathematica? The Wolfram Mathematica Learning Center jump-starts the process with links to video screencasts; free online Mathematica seminars and presentations; "how-to"s and step-by-step examples; in-depth tutorials; thousands of free, ready-to-use models and demonstrations; and much more. 22:08:27 If you have any questions about your Mathematica product trial, please contact us. 22:08:47 Slereah: apparently the only mathematica thing ais523 got from it was a year trial 22:09:18 Well, then again, with his prize money, he could buy a bunch of Mathematica I guess 22:09:27 Not that much, really. 22:09:29 Like 12. 22:09:57 Slereah: I believe he's said he used it to pay expenses :P 22:10:08 "Hookers and blow"? 22:12:43 sounds like ais alright. 22:28:39 proto to implement the wormhole: 22:28:47 return dummy value that stores expresions its used in 22:28:53 when yu're forced to eval it, e.g. print out 22:28:56 evaluate it 22:28:56 umm 22:29:02 the tll is actually just lazy evaluation 22:29:06 except it's given to you pre-evaluation 22:29:07 XD 23:09:55 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 23:11:54 -!- Dewi has joined. 23:19:20 -!- Judofyr_ has joined. 23:19:52 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 23:37:11 pgimeno: you should make mandelbrot in paintfuck 23:37:12 <<