00:02:27 <oerjan> you might want to wash it more often than once a month, then
00:10:43 <GregorR> You realize the unbelievably huge flaw in your logic, right?
00:12:20 <GregorR> Well, I'll point it out then :P
00:12:26 <GregorR> They're literal hair icicles.
00:12:34 <GregorR> The problem is that when I wash my hair I don't dry it well enough.
00:12:39 <GregorR> So the remaining water freezes.
00:15:19 <oerjan> and yes, i realized the unbelievably huge flaw in your logic, right.
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01:14:58 <Dewi> GregorR: he said 'wash', he didn't mean with water
01:15:25 <oerjan> lava cleans off everything
01:15:44 <oerjan> and definitely cures icicles
01:15:53 <Slereah_> What you want is some antimatter beam
01:24:32 <Warrigal> Everything can be cleaned using a fingernail.
01:25:20 <oerjan> although sometimes the fingernail doesn't survive.
01:26:00 <Warrigal> Radioactivity is insignificant.
01:26:10 <oerjan> i never mentioned whether the _rest_ of you survive, either.
01:26:11 <Warrigal> It'll behave just the same chemically.
01:27:10 <Warrigal> If a drop of wax gets on a piece of metal, it can be removed using a fingernail. If a drop of metal gets on a piece of wax, it can be removed using a fingernail.
01:27:18 <oerjan> lead is not unhealthy. as long as you don't lick your fingernail afterward.
01:27:53 <oerjan> oh wait i realized one thing that cannot be cleaned with a fingernail.
01:28:05 <oerjan> just the thought makes me shiver.
01:28:11 <Warrigal> But saliva dissolves chalk. I think.
01:28:22 <Warrigal> It also dissolves everything that could possibly be on something.
01:28:49 <Slereah_> What if you drop metal on metal?
01:28:52 <Warrigal> If the laptop you're using has gotten crusty, saliva will dissolve the crust.
01:29:11 <Warrigal> If a drop of metal gets on a piece of metal, you'll probably be able to remove it just fine.
01:29:19 <Warrigal> Especially if the piece of metal was dusty.
01:29:30 <oerjan> thus, always keep your laptop covered in a thin layer of saliva.
01:30:36 <Warrigal> Serious question: how come saliva seems to dissolve suckers so much more effectively than water?
01:32:48 <Warrigal> Do the enzymes just shove the sugar particles into the water?
01:32:59 <Warrigal> Or do they actually do something chemical?
01:33:12 <Slereah_> They break down some long-chained molecules, IIRC
01:33:39 <Warrigal> Do suckers contain any of those?
01:34:04 <Warrigal> I guess Wikipedia says they're "sucrose with corn syrup".
01:38:32 * Slereah_ waits for Warrigal to ask how many licks to get to the center of it next
01:40:57 * Warrigal waits for Slereah_ to stop waiting
01:41:17 * oerjan attempts to dissolve Warrigal with saliva
01:41:19 <Slereah_> THEN ASK, AND THE WAIT WILL BE OVER
01:41:53 <oerjan> Slereah_: you just claimed he was a sucker. the experiment needs to be done.
01:42:22 <Slereah_> That excuse won't work when your mom finds out!
01:51:20 <Warrigal> And I'm covered in protein, so I'm indestructible.
01:51:36 <Slereah_> Try acid, you'll see mister invincible
01:52:35 <Warrigal> I can't imagine dissolving much in LSD.
01:52:42 <Warrigal> Which, as you know, is the only acid.
01:52:46 <Slereah_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoroantimonic_acid
01:53:00 <Warrigal> Apart from amino acids, obviously.
01:53:27 <Slereah_> "The 1:1 combination affords the strongest known superacid, which has been demonstrated to protonate even hydrocarbons to afford carbocations and H2."
01:54:04 <Slereah_> "HF-SbF5 is rapidly and explosively decomposed by water."
01:54:16 <Warrigal> But proteins are made of amino acids, and everyone knows acids don't react with acids.
01:55:10 <Slereah_> Actually, it can even disolve sulfuric acid
01:56:04 * oerjan drops a bottle of antacids on Warrigal and watches his proteins dissolve
01:57:18 <Warrigal> Ah, but you've forgotten I've developed an immunity to antacids by chewing two tablets twice daily.
01:58:10 <Slereah_> I developed an immunity to bullets by shooting myself daily
01:59:18 <Warrigal> Too bad it's impossible to develop an immunity to death.
01:59:19 <bsmntbombdood> Warrigal: good luck with your Milk-alkali syndrome and/or alkalosis
02:00:08 <Warrigal> Holding one's breath is a sure cure for alkalosis. The oxygen converts to carbonic acid, neutralizing any bases in the bloodstream.
02:00:13 <Warrigal> Or there are too many bases and you die instead.
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02:09:41 <oerjan> always cover all your bases
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02:13:12 <Warrigal> How are they supposed to react with anything if I do that?
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02:14:17 <oerjan> well, basically, they cannot. but i thought that's what you wanted.
02:27:37 <oerjan> unlikely at this time, i know
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05:14:55 <GregorR> I'm thinking of making a metawiki. Basically, it acts like a wiki but directly edits files in its own directory. Maybe I've already mentioned this here :P
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06:52:17 <GregorR> I should sell Moxie to my friends who aren't willing to buy it in cases.
06:52:26 <GregorR> Then I'd be a Moxie proxy LAWL
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10:57:26 <oklofok> i was just wondering whether ehird made a mistake, which would let me lecture him about semiopen intervals.
10:58:10 <fizzie> Yes, it seemed like a curiously difficult way of saying [:5].
11:03:30 <fizzie> oklofok: Did you have some great channel suggestions to join for oh-so-interesting reading, in addition to this one here?
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11:04:24 <oklofok> anyway a clear warning sign should've been, if that was an error, that one of the reasons for using a semiopen interval is exactly so you can get continuous intervals [a, c) by catenating [a, b) [b, c)
11:05:05 <oklofok> which makes it a bit more "high-level", in some sense, because you have to do less "index-fiddling"
11:06:44 <oklofok> fizzie: the only channels i read for fun are this one, #algorithms, #ai, #proglangdesign, #haskell and #not-math
11:06:53 <oklofok> but i'm not saying any of them is that interesting.
11:07:05 <oklofok> #algorithms is really the only one where i actually contribute
11:07:12 <oklofok> oh and also #lojban, but you wouldn't care
11:08:28 <fizzie> "If you learned to speak Lojban, your communication would be completely unambiguous and logical." "Yeah, but it would all be with the kind of people who learn Lojban."
11:09:44 <oklofok> that's pretty much the kind of people i want to have conversations with.
11:10:17 <oklofok> except not so much "people who learn lojban", but "people who wouldn't be opposed to learning lojban just because the user base consists of geeks"
11:10:53 <oklofok> then again, i don't learn languages so i can use them, so wouldn't be a good argument anyway
11:11:10 <oklofok> (same with programming languages, i know tons, but i just use python :))
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11:13:07 <oklofok> anyway, somewhat sadly, this is the only channel i've followed actively since i joined freenode, dunno why, maybe it was so often on-topic when i first got here ;)
11:13:43 <oklofok> nowadays i just know all the actives, so the social porn is enough to make everything interesting
11:13:58 <oklofok> (except the unix-blah of course, nothing can make that interesting)
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11:16:08 <fizzie> Oh, I'm sure you still hang around here just because of psygnisfive's constant affections.
11:16:43 <oklofok> and he hasn't done that that much anymore
11:17:39 <oklofok> also this channel makes me feel bad i haven't gotten noprob&friends working yet, which of course is a good thing.
11:20:26 <oklofok> i wish there was an option not to erase browsing history, but just make it not suggest those things anymore when i type them
11:20:52 <oklofok> i want to visit pages i've accidentally closed, but sometimes i need to erase the suggestions because
11:22:23 <fizzie> You mean the URL bar suggestions, and in which browser?
11:24:20 <oklofok> i recently went back to IE
11:25:24 <Asztal> seems a bit of a funny time to do so :)
11:25:28 <oklofok> no one happens to know how to get IE open the "open in default browser" links in a new tab instead of new window? ;)
11:25:39 <fizzie> Well, I don't know about IE. In FF (3, anyway) the URL suggestibility is configurable, and in any case you can selectively delete only those incriminating URLs ("gifts", right...) in the history window.
11:26:07 <oklofok> fizzie: ah, let's check if ie has that
11:26:25 <Asztal> I guess it's okay if you (a) installed the ms08-078 patch or protect against it otherwise (b) don't visit any of the 6000+ infected sites
11:27:33 <oklofok> Asztal: i don't believe in viruses, or anything like that.
11:27:46 <oklofok> never had them, never protected myself.
11:28:43 <oklofok> and i have no idea what you're talking about, mind sharing?
11:29:01 <oklofok> i'm not going to install a patch, if i did, i could just as well install the new firefox
11:29:09 <oklofok> both are impossible tasks!
11:30:13 <Asztal> http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2317
11:30:26 <oklofok> i've never understood how any kind of intrusion could be possible really
11:31:19 <Asztal> apparently in this bug it's a case of removing an item from an array without decrementing the array size
11:32:02 <oklofok> that's not possible if the design is at all OO
11:32:17 <oklofok> and even if not, it isn't possible if the programmers aren't idiots
11:32:49 <oklofok> consequently, i'm not going to believe IE has that hole. therefore i'm safe.
11:33:24 <fizzie> You are not going to believe something that Microsoft admits? Well, it's good to have principles, I guess.
11:33:51 <oklofok> well okay maybe i believe it a bit.
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11:34:12 <oklofok> so IE is written in what, subleq?
11:35:04 <Asztal> C with classes, I think
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11:37:31 <fizzie> The description I've seen about the issue has sounded more like "using a dangling reference to a free'd object", but I haven't seen any details, really.
11:37:51 <fizzie> "The vulnerability is caused by memory corruption resulting from the way Internet Explorer handles DHTML Data Bindings. -- Malicious HTML that targets this vulnerability causes IE to create an array of data binding objects, release one of them, and later reference it."
11:37:55 <fizzie> It's always so very vague.
11:38:00 <Asztal> I think my description pretty much amounts to yours.
11:38:27 <Asztal> maybe I misread, though.
11:38:46 <fizzie> Not really; any sort of automatical bounds-checking will catch "removing an element from the array and forgetting to decrement size".
11:39:09 <oklofok> well cwc doesn't have that for primitive arrays
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11:39:34 <oklofok> it's just stupid, and never happens to non-noobs
11:41:04 <fizzie> IE code might not be especially pretty.
11:43:27 <oklofok> i just don't see how something as important-sounding as DHTML Data Bindings would ever be in an array without an interface in-between.
11:43:54 <oklofok> especially when such a restrictive interface, vector, exists
11:44:12 <oklofok> of course in c++ that won't always save you
11:44:23 <fizzie> I have just used Google Translate to translate the Chinese announcement from people that might've been the ones who discovered it.
11:44:34 <fizzie> "Construction certain conditions can be detected SDHTML make the release mistakes have been the target of distribution, but the release has been the target of the distribution of post-SDHTML did not return but were released to continue to use the memory of the implementation of the object, if the memory was allocated to other purposes , Will lead to SDHTML such as a memory object to the operation."
11:44:40 <fizzie> And there you have it!
11:45:24 <oklofok> well, all i get out of that is the "memory was allocated to other purposes" part, which is really obvious anyway
11:45:44 <fizzie> There release has been the target of the distribution! Did not return!
11:46:22 <fizzie> Be careful, ir might lead a memory object to the operation.
11:46:31 <oklofok> "Will lead to SDHTML such as a memory object to the operation." <<< i love this
11:46:47 <oklofok> automatic translations are so much fun
11:47:58 <oklofok> i libraried me a the c++ programming language, better start reading soon
11:51:14 <fizzie> The person grading the "Computer Networks" course referred us to http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=974 on the course IRC channel.
11:51:30 <fizzie> I'm not sure if it was some sort of a comment on the results.
11:51:37 <oklofok> you have course irc channels? :<
11:52:28 <oklofok> seriously. i'm moving to helsinki
11:52:30 <fizzie> For a few courses. Nothing systematical. I think I've been on about six of them.
11:52:56 <oklofok> most of our lectures are > 120 yo.
11:53:21 <fizzie> The TML people ("data communications and multimedia") tend to have IRC channels; the other departments less often.
11:53:42 <fizzie> Although the AI course has one, and the Scheme course used to have back when it still existed.
11:55:02 <oklofok> our basic algo courses don't even cover nondeterministic turing machines anymore, supposedly it was "too hard".
11:55:19 <fizzie> I think the "introduction to programming (Java)" thing that replaced the Scheme course also has a channel.
11:55:28 <oklofok> every year courses are dumbified a few bits
11:57:49 <fizzie> Oh, the Java thing does have an IRC channel, and even an IRC guide since the course gets a lot of new-ish students.
11:58:32 <oklofok> i guess it's an inevitability, if you want more than the <20 people in turku who are actually interested to be in the uni, you have to make courses easy enough to pass without any effort.
11:59:02 <oklofok> our student organization has an irc guide, and a channel, but that's really it
11:59:35 <oklofok> i'd love course irc channels... well, i'd love them if i wasn't the only one enthusiastic about memorizing the whole book and talking about it ;)
12:00:39 <fizzie> They are usually pretty quiet.
12:01:19 <fizzie> The AI course channel is active only during the programming project part, when people complain about bugs and what-they-think-to-be-bugs and even I-would-have-done-it-differently parts in the framework code provided.
12:01:52 <oklofok> yeah, that's also guessuble.
12:02:37 <oklofok> i'd like to talk about the actual subjects, my ideas, and stuff like that
12:03:11 <ais523> <oerjan> ais523: you there? <--- I am now
12:03:14 <oklofok> what i'd like is a university full of geeks who have no life outside studying
12:03:16 <ais523> unfortunately, you seem not to be
12:03:45 <oklofok> and a competitive atmosphere, where failing a course might make you drop off completely.
12:04:35 <oklofok> ais523: when was that highlight?
12:06:30 <ais523> oklofok: I don't know, my bouncer records comments but not timestamps
12:06:32 <oklofok> the problem is, most people in the uni think it's the partying and being with friends part that's the gist of university, and since the courses are adjusted for the majority, they don't really have much of a challenge
12:06:35 <ais523> and I can't be bothered to check the logs
12:06:47 <ais523> however, I would have replied like that even if it had been 3 days ago
12:06:53 <ais523> when was I last concious, anyway?
12:06:58 <oklofok> ais523: yes, me too, even if i saw the time stamp.
12:07:07 <ais523> I've been either asleep or programming for the last 3 days it seems
12:07:12 <ais523> asleep in the day, programming in the night
12:07:20 <ais523> making it quite hard to get to an Internet connection
12:07:36 <ais523> I did a bit more of gcc-bf, but it's mostly been TAEB (a non-eso project)
12:08:54 <ais523> it's basically a bot for playing Nethack
12:09:17 <ais523> I'm basically working away at a corner of someone else's project
12:09:23 <ais523> they put me there to avoid me causing too much damage
12:09:45 <oklofok> is it the same perl thing ehird linked?
12:10:05 <oklofok> i was assuming you started from scratch, but made it more general
12:10:06 <ais523> although I'm writing a different AI for the same framework
12:10:39 <oklofok> fizzie: i don't think ehird has contributed to the project
12:10:53 <ais523> mine AI hardly Elbereths at all, I'm trying to make it as different as possible from the existing one
12:11:49 <oklofok> was a bit of a leap of faith to think fizzie meant ehird :)
12:12:09 <fizzie> Actually I meant "E-what? I don't know what this letter might mean."
12:12:15 <ais523> unknown option --gelp - try gplc --help
12:14:16 <ais523> oh, it stands for Tactical Amulet Extraction Bot
12:14:43 <fizzie> Sounds like an euphemism for A MURDER MACHINE.
12:15:30 <ais523> wow, I'm wading through my email
12:15:42 <ais523> and actually found a spam that I didn't guess was spam from the subject line
12:16:59 <ais523> From: "Kevin Griffin", subject line: "From Kevin Griffin"
12:17:11 <ais523> the actual body of the email was blocked by my mailer settings
12:17:34 <ais523> spammers do all sorts of clever tricks to try to send mail in a way the spam filters don't pick up on its contents
12:17:46 <ais523> unfortunately, when they try that my mailer doesn't show me the contents either
12:18:02 <ais523> (this is vaguely the same technique as setting your useragent to Googlebot)
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14:20:16 <oerjan> <ais523> <oerjan> ais523: you there? <--- I am now
14:20:42 <oerjan> just wanted to point out the recent wiki madness
14:20:51 <ais523> that bad? I'm still reading email
14:22:51 <ais523> time to use bot rollback on all that, I think
14:23:05 <ais523> watch the as-yet-unreverted edits magically disappear from Recent Changes
14:24:09 <ais523> ugh, /how many/ spambots is that?
14:24:15 <ais523> I'll have to write a script first, probably
14:24:20 <ais523> or else be boring and use normal rollback
14:25:00 <oerjan> um, there were a few real edits too, last time i checked (before my ping this morning)
14:25:29 <ais523> I'll look over the edit summaries first
14:25:35 <oerjan> hm i don't quite recall
14:25:43 <ais523> but I'm opening up all anons atm
14:26:16 <oerjan> but reverting everything from bots posting that specific subject should clean up a lot
14:27:11 <ais523> luckily, it seems to be the same sets of IPs over and over again
14:27:36 <oerjan> a few of those random nonsense subjects too
14:27:55 <ais523> let me just check how to do bot rollback again, I know how to do it in theory but have never done it before
14:28:07 <ais523> so I'm going to read up on it to make sure I get it right first time
14:29:04 <oerjan> before my last edit, only article creations should be unreverted, in case that helps
14:29:37 <ais523> it's best if you don't revert for the time being
14:29:46 <ais523> for, say, 20 mins or so
14:30:03 <oerjan> ok there are just a few new ones anyhow
14:32:23 <oerjan> of course i wouldn't mind if you rolled back my reverts as well, would clean up a lot
14:32:52 <oerjan> i usually use the undo button
14:33:43 <oerjan> (actually, don't do that on Joke Language List, that was not spam)
14:33:54 <ais523> I can't double-rollbacl
14:34:05 <ais523> and I'm just rolling back stuff with suspicious edit summaries atm
14:34:18 <ais523> if someone posted a genuine FIELD_OTHER as a joke, revert me
14:34:57 <oerjan> i think there were some FIELD_MESSAGE in spams at one time
14:35:00 <ais523> I'm going to block them all next
14:35:05 <ais523> then I'll delete the spam pages
14:35:56 <oerjan> i don't think so. smjg used rvv for his revert subject, and i didn't change the undo subject
14:36:44 <oerjan> btw there are some spams that only use article section for subject
14:37:36 <oklofok> so you can revert reverts? is the whole lifetime of a wiki visible as a giant log?
14:37:51 <ais523> oerjan: got them already, thanks
14:37:57 <ais523> oklofok: except that admins can delete bits of it
14:38:10 <ais523> normally that's only for anti-copyvio, or whatever
14:38:20 <ais523> for regular spam like this normally I (or anyone else) just reverts
14:38:30 <oerjan> i did revert a copyvio the other day
14:38:31 <ais523> except I delete the edit if it was the only edit to the page, just because that's easier in that ase
14:39:58 <oerjan> (someone copied a hello world from Morgan-Mar's page, which had no license information)
14:41:34 <ais523> ok, they're all blocked
14:41:37 <ais523> now to clean up the mess
14:44:35 <ais523> oerjan: does that look OK now?
14:45:11 <ais523> all but one of the changes I reverted I hid from Recent Changes too to help unspam it a bit
14:45:23 <ais523> but I can't hide the change-revert pairs reverted by other people
14:47:40 <oerjan> missed Adjudicated Blind Collaborative Design Esolang Factory
14:47:51 <ais523> ok, what needs doing there?
14:48:05 <ehird> the easiest way to spam
14:48:08 <oerjan> rollback the last spam
14:48:11 <ehird> is to just write the spam like regular mail
14:48:26 <ehird> the spammers have not yet figured that one out yet
14:48:59 <oerjan> also, Talk:Multiprogramming
14:49:04 <Asztal> ehird: well, for me, they're trying to send me spam about revising clauses in contracts, that sort of thing
14:49:12 <Asztal> which might look like real mail to some people
14:49:23 <ehird> Asztal: Er, I think you subscribed to agora-business by mistake.
14:49:41 <Asztal> "the revised clauses are in this zip file, just open the .exe!"
14:50:12 <oerjan> Esolang:Wiki preservationhttp:/www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/De/Häufig gestellte Fragen für Entwickler
14:50:24 <ais523> that's a different sort of spam, isn't it?
14:50:46 <ais523> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Wiki_preservation <--- giving myself a link
14:51:01 <ais523> ah, I was erring on the side of not hitting anything legit
14:51:27 <oerjan> ais523: um that _was_ the link
14:51:27 <ais523> but I don't see anything amiss there, you reverted them and I blocked the,
14:51:31 <ais523> or am I missing something?
14:51:46 <ais523> oerjan: I wanted to go to the page, so I typed the URL in here
14:51:47 <oerjan> ais523: what i pasted was _just_ the link
14:51:49 <ais523> so I could click on it
14:51:56 <ais523> oerjan: I mean a link to the page
14:52:01 <ais523> or was it a different page?
14:52:06 <oerjan> Esolang:Wiki preservationhttp:/www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/De/Häufig gestellte Fragen für Entwickler
14:53:28 <oerjan> those last two were new creations
14:54:02 <ais523> and I blocked the bot already
14:54:04 <oerjan> assuming i didn't miss anything during my last revert spurt, that should be all
14:54:18 <oerjan> (i got some smjg missed)
14:54:30 <ais523> let's hope they're out of IPs or zombies or proxies or whatever they're using
14:55:37 <oerjan> nah it's probably a million host sized botnet ;(
14:55:55 <ais523> I can't blacklist edit summaries, you need graue to do that
14:56:45 <oerjan> see also smjg's message in Esolang talk:Community Portal
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18:55:47 <ehird> what did I say about pinging people in-channel about /msg :|
18:55:52 <ais523> I already did, but I've forgotten already
18:56:25 <AnMaster> ehird, wrong, it was about him not reading away log, since it affect IFFI build
18:56:36 <ais523> hmm... in theory, a change to make the build system more portable shouldn't interfere too much with something that tries to use that build system
18:56:41 <ais523> although it's nice to be updated with changes
18:56:50 <ais523> that might affect the build system I haven't really written yet
18:57:10 <oerjan> AnMaster is clearly an acronym of AMnesiac. Well, almost.
18:57:38 <ais523> y/trM/icm/ if you want the case right
19:01:00 <oerjan> AnMaster: you just forgot it
19:01:15 <AnMaster> ah something like bad memory I guess
19:01:27 <AnMaster> oerjan, also I hadn't forgot anything
19:03:44 * ais523 reverts another spambot
19:03:52 <ais523> I'm using admin bot-revert for the ones I see, as well as blocking
19:04:00 <ais523> so the edits I revert get obliterated from Recent Changes
19:04:01 <AnMaster> ais523, you too? Well for me not on wikipedia.
19:04:12 * AnMaster has spent a lot of time today editing on gentoo-wiki
19:04:20 <ais523> with any luck that might make it at least slightly useful in the face of the current massive bot attack...
19:04:31 <ehird> AnMaster: esolangs. actually,.
19:04:49 <ais523> AnMaster: I'm only a sysop, not server dev
19:04:59 <AnMaster> iirc mediwiki has something like: MediaWiki:Spam Blacklist
19:05:15 <ais523> the problem is they aren't spamming URLs
19:05:20 <ais523> we have checks for that already
19:05:26 <ais523> they're just spamming random ASCII garbage
19:05:33 <ais523> which isn't even useful to them, AFAICT
19:05:47 <AnMaster> I saw lots of that on another wiki the last few days
19:05:59 <AnMaster> would like to have a blacklist for it
19:06:58 <ehird> ais523: no it is useful
19:06:59 <oerjan> perhaps there's a url but it's put into a completely stupid form field...
19:07:02 <ehird> they check to see if the spamming works
19:07:10 <ehird> and add it to their database
19:07:19 <ehird> (like, come back a day later and check if it's still there)
19:07:29 <ehird> then sell their db of spammable websites
19:07:40 <oerjan> ais523: there _was_ that case where the url got into the article name
19:07:50 <oerjan> for that newly created article
19:07:50 <ais523> yes, but it was just a URL for another wiki...
19:08:16 <AnMaster> ehird, have you seen zuff recently btw?
19:08:31 <ehird> I killed him with a fork.
19:08:33 <oerjan> and they are not the ones spamming us?
19:08:43 <ehird> actually, just kidding
19:13:55 * oerjan notes ehird hiding a smoking beaker behind his back, with "Mr. Zuff formula" written on it
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22:08:53 <zuff> arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2008/12/18/littlebigplanet-
22:08:56 <zuff> http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2008/12/18/littlebigplanet-used-to-create-32-cell-computer-game-of-life
22:10:19 <AnMaster> I see there are severe bouncer problems today, I was speaking to ehird on what looked like the same client before
22:10:34 <AnMaster> maybe some buffer overflow or such=
22:10:46 <zuff> actually, I killed ehird a few hours ago.
22:10:50 <zuff> I'm now using his computer.
22:11:23 <zuff> I used a fork!
22:11:25 -!- zuff has changed nick to ehird.
22:11:31 <ehird> urrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggg
22:11:32 <ehird> braiiiiiiiiiiiiiiins
22:11:37 <ehird> BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS
22:11:45 <ehird> om nom nom nom nom nom nom
22:11:48 <ehird> BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS
22:11:52 -!- ehird has changed nick to zuff.
22:11:56 <AnMaster> a zombie *typing* brains on irc
22:11:58 <zuff> what have I done
22:12:12 <zuff> YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
22:12:22 <zuff> **KSSSSSSSSSSSRFFFFFFT*
22:12:24 <zuff> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
22:12:32 <zuff> YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
22:12:37 * zuff BOOF BASH BOOSH BAM
22:12:47 <zuff> I BEG FOR MERCY!
22:12:54 <zuff> DON"T EAT MY BRrY*&YA&*RRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH\
22:12:57 <zuff> uuuuuuuurhhhhhhhhhhhh
22:13:00 <zuff> braiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiins
22:13:03 <zuff> BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS
22:13:06 <zuff> WANT BRAINS NOW
22:13:15 <zuff> EAT OERJAN BRAINS
22:13:22 * zuff *SWBAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPT*
22:13:26 <zuff> om nom nom nom nom nom nom
22:13:33 <zuff> BRAIIIIIIIIIINS
22:13:45 <AnMaster> oerjan, I assume he didn't stop?
22:13:57 <zuff> AnMaster: so sorry that you're allergic to fun
22:14:15 <oerjan> this requires automated warfare
22:14:18 <AnMaster> zuff, no I'm not, I just agree with oerjan, you did too much
22:14:34 <zuff> AnMaster: oerjan was joking around far as I can tell.
22:14:39 <zuff> also, what happened to the one minute ignore.
22:14:39 <oerjan> +ul ((====\___/ )S:^):^
22:14:40 <thutubot> ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ...too much output!
22:15:09 <zuff> +ul ((((====\___/ )S:^):^)S:^):^
22:15:10 <thutubot> ((====\___/ )S:^):^((====\___/ )S:^):^((====\___/ )S:^):^((====\___/ )S:^):^((====\___/ )S:^):^((====\___/ )S:^):^((====\___/ )S:^):^((====\___/ )S:^):^ ...too much output!
22:15:23 <zuff> +ul ((((====\___/ )S:^):^)^:^):^
22:15:23 <thutubot> ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ...too much output!
22:15:24 <oerjan> fortunately zombies cannot program
22:15:33 <zuff> oerjan: shut up; I ate your brain
22:15:49 <oerjan> also, zombies are lousy at anatomy
22:16:04 <AnMaster> oerjan, ah so that is why you are missing one toe?
22:16:41 <oerjan> it's the bathtub monster from Rose is Rose
22:18:16 <AnMaster> anyone know a good music player for linux that supports cddb and isn't xine? Not Gnome
22:18:28 <AnMaster> KDE is ok, so is more lightweight stuff
22:18:51 <AnMaster> also: supports editing cddb info
22:19:01 <AnMaster> since these cds I'm listening to atm are not in cddb
22:19:19 <zuff> AnMaster: cddb is awful
22:19:22 <AnMaster> xine supports fetching cddb info but not adding and uploading
22:19:22 <zuff> use musicbrainz.org
22:19:29 <zuff> the tags are of impeccable quality.
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22:20:08 <zuff> also, don't you mean freedb?
22:20:14 <zuff> cddb is propietrary and closed.
22:20:22 <zuff> [is now, at least]
22:20:30 <AnMaster> zuff, well, whatever, I want to see the titles on this "Kända klassiska musikstycken - Skymningsljus" ~ "Famous classical music - Music for Dusk"
22:20:40 <zuff> look it up on MB
22:20:53 <AnMaster> zuff, what id or checksum is used for that?
22:21:22 <zuff> I don't recall; download their picard tagger and take a look?
22:21:25 <zuff> iirc it's foss
22:21:31 <zuff> http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardDownload
22:22:12 <AnMaster> very interesting, cd-info reports info from freedb for it
22:22:23 <AnMaster> usually xine reports it just fine
22:22:30 <zuff> I'd recommend mpd; but you'd have to rip to flac or sth.
22:22:44 <zuff> If I was a troll--which I am--I would recommend iTunes.
22:22:59 <AnMaster> zuff, I want to play from the cd
22:23:06 <zuff> iTunes can play from the CD :-P
22:23:10 <AnMaster> I have no intention to transfer it to the computer
22:23:22 <zuff> Amarok is nice.
22:23:26 <AnMaster> on another thing, it should have a NORMAL GUI
22:23:28 <zuff> A bit bloated though.
22:23:38 <AnMaster> it should just look like any GUI app
22:23:48 <zuff> you know, i'm not very inclined to help when you state your demands like that
22:23:49 <AnMaster> xine tries to look like a music player of some sort
22:24:40 <zuff> AnMaster: Why not use one of the command-line cd players?
22:24:59 <AnMaster> zuff, mplayer? hm may be worth trying
22:25:09 <AnMaster> it works but I would like to see the titles
22:25:09 <MizardX> +ul ((:^~:*a~a*~!:^^^)((.)S)):^^^
22:25:28 <zuff> AnMaster: Eh; I'd hack up a script that uses MusicBrainz and mplayer or something.
22:25:31 <thutubot> ......... ...too much memory used!
22:25:32 <fizzie> VLC does CDDB and has a "normal" GUI.
22:25:34 <zuff> Why don't you want to rip the cd?
22:25:46 <zuff> (Actually, I lie; I'd use iTunes.)
22:26:07 <fizzie> (Well, according to the feature list it does CDDB, anyway; haven't tried it.)
22:30:18 <oerjan> +ul ((:^~:a*~a*~!:^^^)((.)S)):^^^
22:30:53 <AnMaster> zuff, as for not ripping them, there are 20 of them, and I agree with thutubot
22:31:20 <zuff> AnMaster: an album ripped losslessly is about 300mb or so.
22:31:40 <zuff> Thank the lord for large harddrives.
22:31:48 <zuff> +ul (::S^)::S^
22:31:49 <thutubot> ::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^ ...too much output!
22:33:23 <zuff> +ul (:::SaS^):::SaS^
22:33:24 <thutubot> :::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^) ...too much output!
22:33:31 <zuff> +ul (:::aSS^):::aSS^
22:33:32 <thutubot> (:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^ ...too much output!
22:33:39 <zuff> Infinite quine!
22:33:59 <zuff> fizzie: hey, that's a program that writes out an infinite-length quine
22:36:49 <AnMaster> must be a great software then ~~~
22:37:02 <AnMaster> (oh yes, php has even more, and we all know it is great right?)
22:37:13 <AnMaster> [ebuild N ] media-video/vlc-0.9.8a USE="X alsa cddb dbus dvd fbcon ffmpeg flac fontconfig gnutls libgcrypt libnotify mmx mp3 mpeg musepack ncurses nsplugin ogg opengl png qt4 rtsp sdl sse stream svg theora truetype vorbis xv -a52 -aac -aalib (-altivec) -arts -atmo -avahi -bidi -cdda -cdio -dc1394 -debug -dirac -directfb -dts -dvb -esd -fluidsynth -ggi -gnome -hal -httpd -id3tag -jack -kate -libas
22:37:13 <AnMaster> s -libcaca -libsysfs -libv4l2 -lirc -live -lua -matroska -modplug -optimisememory -oss -pulseaudio -pvr -remoteosd -run-as-root -samba -schroedinger -sdl-image -seamonkey -shout -skins -speex (-svga) -taglib -twolame -upnp -v4l -v4l2 -vcd -vcdinfo -vcdx -vlm (-win32codecs) -x264 -xinerama -xml -xosd -zvbi" 16,640 kB
22:37:22 <zuff> thank you. we all needed to see that.
22:38:07 <oklofok> infinite quines are trivial
22:38:32 <oklofok> that's something one discovers the first time attempting to make a quine
22:38:53 <zuff> but it's a trivial infinite-quine-maker
22:39:02 <oklofok> well i didn't read context :)
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22:41:55 <thutubot> S(S)S((S)S)S(((S)S)S)S((((S)S)S)S)S(((((S)S)S)S)S)S((((((S)S)S)S)S)S)S(((((((S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S((((((((S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S(((((((((S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S((((((((((S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S ...too much output!
22:42:19 <oerjan> +ul (())(~(S)*:Sa~:^):^
22:42:20 <thutubot> ()S(()S)S((()S)S)S(((()S)S)S)S((((()S)S)S)S)S(((((()S)S)S)S)S)S((((((()S)S)S)S)S)S)S(((((((()S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S((((((((()S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S(((((((((()S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S ...too much output!
22:43:34 <oerjan> that's a (trivial infinite quine) maker
22:44:14 * AnMaster gets a normal portable cd player
22:44:33 <AnMaster> no not mp3, I mean portable cd player, old thing
22:44:45 <zuff> [sum] [length] di /
22:44:47 <zuff> factor is nice
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22:51:38 * zuff commits piracy
22:51:49 <zuff> **intellectual property infringement
22:53:49 * zuff rapes a thousand kittens
22:53:57 <zuff> slip of the fingers
22:56:15 <zuff> hmm, I wonder if this OS X 10.5 image will fit on the dvd-rs i have.
22:57:14 <oerjan> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
22:58:03 <oerjan> the trouble with escalation is that it escalates
22:59:06 <zuff> **eats your firstborn
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23:01:14 <zuff> woop woop, I shall have my illegal OS copy in around 20 hours.
23:01:31 <zuff> well, i'll put it off overnight
23:01:37 <zuff> so it'll be a bit longer
23:01:44 <zuff> ooh, now it's 7 hours left. that's nice
23:04:38 <oerjan> this time dilation stuff always freaks me out
23:10:00 <Sgeo> zuff, why would you talk about getting an illegal copy of an OS publicly?
23:10:10 <zuff> Sgeo: Why not?
23:10:50 <zuff> Morally, I don't give the concept of IP much weight, and Apple aren't exactly poor atm. Realistically, it's not as if they employ people to trawl through IRC logs looking for pirates to prosecute.
23:10:57 <zuff> Justification-ly, I'm bored.
23:14:06 <Sgeo> Are there ways to trash WinXP that don't work in Win98?
23:58:11 <zuff> Ooh, I should markup the USA Constitution in nice HTML and mess with its typography. But i'm not a US citizen. :P