< 1230076875 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the b nodes are different < 1230076884 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no cycle, just an infinite tree < 1230076891 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you didn't write them differently :P < 1230076906 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they correspond to the node b < 1230076914 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like deja vu, in some sense < 1230076932 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you keep saying that < 1230076945 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just recently wrote a 25 page, single spaced paper on a very closely related issue < 1230076947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why you insist on understanding this < 1230076961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1230076965 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elaborate at once < 1230076968 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1230076973 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a syntactician < 1230076982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you're a pedant. < 1230076992 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do research into natural language syntax, and syntactic theory < 1230076997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally < 1230077016 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so obviously one of the main ideas in natural language syntax is, ofcourse, syntactic trees < 1230077033 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more importantly, tree building < 1230077038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, i know it was about syntactic trees < 1230077040 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was kind of a given < 1230077047 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /tree generation < 1230077057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1230077063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give us semantic trees < 1230077068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with flowery prose! < 1230077077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some contemporary versions of tree building are ones that employ directed acyclic graphs < 1230077090 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that a single node can be dominated by more than one other node < 1230077108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dominated? < 1230077111 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1230077118 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a->b means a immediately dominates b < 1230077130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. haven't heard that term < 1230077138 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a dominates b if a->b or if a->c and c dominates b < 1230077148 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, domination is just a path in a DAG < 1230077148 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1230077157 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats really what it amounts to < 1230077164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes < 1230077172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hadn't heard the term < 1230077177 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there are some ideas being thrown around that depend on certain asymmetric relationships between nodes in a tree < 1230077189 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, asymmetric instances of a relationship < 1230077218 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you have more than one node dominating some other node, these asymmetric relationships are not total < 1230077227 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and totality is crucial for these ideas < 1230077259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting pretty abstract. < 1230077259 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but noone seems to notice this because they get caught up in conveniences of notation that conflict with their "formal" definitions < 1230077270 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok one of these relationships is called c-command < 1230077277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1230077281 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the earliest definition of c-command: < 1230077302 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a c-commands b if a and b are sisters, or if b is dominated by a sister of a < 1230077320 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a c-commands its sisters and everything below them < 1230077324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that kind of relationships < 1230077334 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. a structural relationship between nodes < 1230077340 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes right k. < 1230077359 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but imagine if a is simultaneously sister to b, but also dominated by b < 1230077380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines < 1230077389 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a and b do /not/ c-command one another, because c-command doesn't apply when one item contains the other < 1230077391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PaPba < 1230077395 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P being their parent < 1230077404 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.. < 1230077409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that doesn't really work for undirected graphs.. < 1230077413 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just ignore it < 1230077431 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we have the following notation for it < 1230077437 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[x a [b a]] < 1230077460 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the first item in the brackets is the label for the node that the brackets represents < 1230077463 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest are the child nodes < 1230077503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1230077524 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lets assume that a and b do c-command one another < 1230077531 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring containment for a second < 1230077555 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider [x a [y b [z c a]]] < 1230077565 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a and b symmetrically c-command one another < 1230077582 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1230077585 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only one of x and z directly dominated a, then it wouldn't be symmetric < 1230077592 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be asymmetric < 1230077613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually i'm not sure i understand, wait a sec. < 1230077621 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1230077626 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can just send you the paper < 1230077662 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parts that deal with this issue are relatively detached from syntax as a whole and deal with some very specific topics so youll understand it. < 1230077676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1230077708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still have a hard time seeing how this could have to do with rooting arbitrary graphs, but i'll try to find time to read it. < 1230077733 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the part that i found deja vu like is that you were representing different nodes with the same symbols < 1230077765 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that unless you specify this beforehand, it's not apparent that they're different nodes < 1230077766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. it was just sexps really. < 1230077793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sex pee < 1230077801 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one of the reasons that i wrote this paper was because similar things go on in syntax, with precisely the problems that you could expect from having a notation that can be interpreted in different ways. < 1230077827 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://www.wellnowwhat.net/linguistics/Formalizing%20Minimalism.pdf < 1230077872 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you'd explain your notation, and not have that problem < 1230077882 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but this doesnt happen < 1230077905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. < 1230077909 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like it didnt happen when you said b->c->a->b->... was a tree without first saying that each b was a distinct node :P < 1230077931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the reason i wasn't being clear was because i was sure you already understood it. < 1230077954 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well. if you start talking mathy to me, i take everything at face value. < 1230077975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, understandable < 1230077979 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i do that in generally but its especially typical when talking about these things < 1230078076 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being pedantic is always a good thing. i just didn't really feel like being more clear because my whole point was just to tell ehird what he said had definite truth in it, just not the exact truth he said it had. < 1230078092 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and damn you for linking < 1230078093 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nodes < 1230078097 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1230078097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i feel i should read it. < 1230078097 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1230078101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION edges < 1230078108 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first you should comment on my site background images < 1230078128 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wellnowwhat.net/ http://www.wellnowwhat.net/Rights_in_the_Post-Governance_Society.html http://www.wellnowwhat.net/linguistics/honors_thesis/ < 1230078151 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just post gay porn? < 1230078170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that's pretty awesome < 1230078241 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bgs? :) < 1230078250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I can generate random colours too < 1230078259 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i didnt generate these < 1230078269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: umm. < 1230078274 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're lines that keep showing up in windows < 1230078274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what page should i start on < 1230078303 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some drawing glitch in my computer's window manager or something like that < 1230078312 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you mean for this issue of DAGs and trees and such? < 1230078314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gfx card driver < 1230078319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes. < 1230078322 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not the driver actually, ehird < 1230078341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, I got similar glitches with a driver on x11 < 1230078343 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're bound to windows, in that i can drag the windows around and they follow it < 1230078348 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if i resize the windows they go away < 1230078349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1230078352 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can take screenshots < 1230078357 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just some drawing algorithm error < 1230078375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if that's written by you, i might want to read the whole of it < 1230078386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again i probably wouldn't understand it. < 1230078389 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, i wrote the whole thing < 1230078406 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah that wasn't really an "if", more like a "seeing as" < 1230078407 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might get it. its not TOO embedded in syntax, and most of what is i explain for completeness < 1230078415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: can you satisfy this amateur typographic fuck by switching to a non-monospaced font? < 1230078444 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh.. start on page 11, "Move, Multiple Dominance, and Linearization" < 1230078449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-monospaced fonts should never be used < 1230078464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah but you don't even read, you just connect objects to your brainwave < 1230078464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1230078467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use actual eyes and stuff < 1230078469 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no. i like the monospacedness. its grungy and gritty and goes nicely with the backgrounds :) < 1230078481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: fine, don't expect me to read your site :P < 1230078486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about Curlz MT < 1230078487 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont :P < 1230078488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very grungy < 1230078500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failing that comic sans could be a good substitute < 1230078540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(non-monospaced fonts should be killed) < 1230078549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: shush < 1230078605 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neverrr < 1230078733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.mathrix.org/experimentalAIT/TuringMachine.html < 1230078747 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1230078909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even people who don't think non-monospaced fonts should be killed often think comic sans should be killed. < 1230078994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curlz mt, man! < 1230079064 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oejan: truer words < 1230079207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURLZ FUCKING MT < 1230079257 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION curlz ehird's mt < 1230079263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1230079296 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/348-an-imperial-palimpsest-on-polands-electoral-map/ < 1230079698 0 :lolbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1230079986 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Now to conquer the world. In my sleep." < 1230082967 0 :Aias!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex < 1230083315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: this is a fun read < 1230083325 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1230083342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what the definitions are useful for, but i like reading them :P < 1230083498 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1230083501 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which definitions do you mean? < 1230083581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-commanding mostly, i just started. < 1230083622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of this is over my head, you constantly refer to basic things i've never heard about < 1230083626 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, that section is mostly about the implications that using DAGs for syntax trees has for attempts to linearize the nodes in the tree based on c-command < 1230083631 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basic things? < 1230083682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :merge < 1230083729 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1230083746 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1230083747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linearize... does that mean ordering? < 1230083769 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh.. yes. linearization is taking a graph and finding some total relation over the graph < 1230083801 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay good < 1230083816 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, taking some abstractly /defined/ relation, and finding that relation for some graph < 1230083832 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because graphs are basically not linearly ordered < 1230083835 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just abstract relations < 1230083855 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right < 1230083856 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if a sentence is a graph, there has to be some unique way of linearizing the words in the graph < 1230083868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1230083874 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has to be a total linearization < 1230083889 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there can't be any two words that have no relative linearization < 1230083896 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i had a crucial epiphany < 1230083902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for that < 1230083904 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every word must either come before or after some other word < 1230083914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1230083943 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if your tree has no inherent directionality, like say a Left-Right tree does, you have to do this linearization some other way < 1230083960 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one of the ideas is that you could do this using asymmetric c-command relationships < 1230083973 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah was just about to ask < 1230083990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, i did just read about it, but i didn't understand what it was about back then) < 1230083996 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1230084015 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that everyone i talk to has to ask what linearization means < 1230084016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly i wanna learn more about this < 1230084022 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1230084028 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i can teach you some syntax if you want :) < 1230084034 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres all sorts of shit like this in syntax < 1230084043 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scope is another really fascinating issue in syntax < 1230084066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm all for learning all the basics at least < 1230084086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not now of course, it's 4 am. < 1230084095 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres honestly not much to learn, in terms of the way the theory works < 1230084105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not. < 1230084265 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what you meant by linearization would've been clear if i'd understood the graph represented a sentence < 1230084297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. right now it seems like it should've been perfectly clear even without that info < 1230084314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm very tired, and i can just blame that < 1230084369 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realize now that I didn't use the word "sentence" until page 19 < 1230084370 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1230084385 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the context of syntax, trees = sentences < 1230084386 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1230084548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- < 1230084553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1230084560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was accidental < 1230084564 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it? < 1230084566 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can we know? < 1230084569 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ARE oklopol < 1230084577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was reading my book you see < 1230084582 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the keyboard < 1230084589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suddenly there were texts. < 1230084795 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of texts < 1230084823 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.malegeneral.com/dongs/src/1229957639477.jpg < 1230084908 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is this faggot < 1230084913 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In his pyjama < 1230084914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's psygnisfive < 1230084922 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, you are a faggot < 1230084948 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never behave so ridiculously < 1230084954 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or look so silly < 1230084970 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or would you? < 1230084976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes would you? < 1230085047 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1230085057 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see on your fetlife profile < 1230085061 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i have a strong desire to punch people like that in the face < 1230085069 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "Acting like a douche" is amidst it < 1230085108 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it most certainly is not sir! < 1230085120 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good heavens man, you're mad! < 1230085145 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forced orgasms (tens units, etc.)" < 1230085149 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts on top hat and saunters off hautilly < 1230085152 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, exactly ten units? < 1230085158 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tens unit. < 1230085159 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it's nine or eleven? < 1230085180 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tens = transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulator < 1230085208 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1230085212 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Public humiliation" < 1230085219 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acting like a douche could totally do that < 1230085239 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acting like a douche isn't humiliating < 1230085243 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're a douch < 1230085261 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be humiliating to those you're with. < 1230085288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a douche < 1230085310 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a douche like that tho? < 1230085317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1230085325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what kind of person that guy is < 1230085348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a happy dude < 1230085353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty happy < 1230085380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can certainly be humiliating to those i'm with < 1230085401 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But are you more humiliating than psygnisfive, though? < 1230085411 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i humiliating at all? < 1230085413 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He'll probably hang with you in his fursuit or something. < 1230085419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one, i may burst into song in pretty much any situation < 1230085422 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly do not have a fursuit < 1230085430 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOULD YOU LIKE TO? < 1230085434 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fursuiters almost always annoy the fuck out of me < 1230085444 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the ones im friends with who are hot < 1230085450 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"teabagging (joecool)" < 1230085458 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1230085461 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you only want to teabag this "Joe Cool"? < 1230085476 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what joecool is < 1230085485 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also is he the teabagger or the teabaggee? < 1230085502 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares! :D < 1230085533 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joe Cool does. < 1230085544 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Joe Cool might be the legendary Cool Dude. < 1230085557 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the backward cap and the popped collars. < 1230085594 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahah! < 1230085594 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fetlife.com/users/8385 < 1230085597 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was right! < 1230085605 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joe Cool does have a backward cap! < 1230085642 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strangely enough, he's not into teabagging Joe Cool < 1230085666 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's only curious about it < 1230085679 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It has my name on it, I wonder how it is!" < 1230087548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1230090074 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-085-219.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1230090910 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1230093052 0 :lolbot!n=lolbot@h74.17.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1230093057 0 :lolbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1230093110 0 :lolbot!n=lolbot@h74.17.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1230093155 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.fortune < 1230093155 0 :lolbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. -- Charles Anthony Richard Hoare < 1230098994 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1230105599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1230105600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1230108230 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"You only need one wheel. Bikers are just greedy." < 1230109701 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, have there seriously been no comments in the last lik 7 hours? < 1230109701 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1230110282 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1230110871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i certainly do not have a fursuit < 1230110877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither do i, forsooth < 1230110900 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1230110927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was weird < 1230113624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :merry xmas! < 1230113641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia we celebrate on the 24th) < 1230113920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that is true for Norway too isn't it? < 1230113928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1230113928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is for Sweden and Finland < 1230113934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1230113993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooo < 1230113999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ? < 1230114023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Finnish xmas song I expect? < 1230114158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooo joulu, ooooooooooo joulu < 1230114180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is that Norwegian or Finnish? < 1230114189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not norwegian < 1230114192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1230114199 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be < 1230114208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :åååååååååååå julen, ååååååååååå julen < 1230114218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might work in swedish too? < 1230114220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be same in Swedish < 1230114221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1230114267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens to some classical music, by Grieg < 1230114318 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dum dum dum dum dum dum dum, dum dum dum, dum dum dum, dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum DUM < 1230114356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah not that one < 1230114368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was "Morning mood" < 1230114392 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@pool-162-83-176-144.ny5030.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1230114397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :na na na na na na, na na na na na-na-na-na, na na na na na na na na na na... < 1230114413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "I bergakungens sal" (as I believe the original name is? This CD got English titles...) < 1230114427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Dovregubbens hall < 1230114450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1230114456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that was a Swedish variant then < 1230114491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh also Solveig's song is probably the best piece of music from the Peer Gynt suites. < 1230114594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or what do you think < 1230114608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's pretty < 1230114617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed < 1230114731 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, merry christmas < 1230114762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, God Jul! < 1230115619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god yule! < 1230115706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes off yulin' -> < 1230115756 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-159-1-123-251.w92-129.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1230116873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1230117333 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1230118706 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1230119089 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1230119090 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1230119092 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/ has entered into the holiday spirit < 1230119169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw it this morning < 1230119171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1230119188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and cya, going to visit grandparents, so away for the rest of the day < 1230119203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye and still God Jul < 1230120760 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F90BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1230120767 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1230120796 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F90BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1230123448 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1230126537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid weird europeans. < 1230126541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your stupid xmas on today < 1230127234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merry X-my-ass! < 1230127454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmas is tomorrow, freak retard. < 1230127469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are an inferior being < 1230127505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically even here it doesn't start until 5 o'clock iirc < 1230127545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's when they ring the church bells < 1230127630 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F90BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1230129770 0 :lolbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1230129969 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1230130401 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-169-5-244.range86-169.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1230130770 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng19-0-0-cust700.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1230130931 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"lol" < 1230131224 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1230132052 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F90BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1230132921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1230132952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :It's christmas eve, unless you're a wacky freak-man in one of those weird-ass European countries, in which case it's still Christmas Eve but you're celebrating today < 1230133031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm being 100% sarcastic and not sarcastic at the same time. <--- I love this line < 1230133072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure you do. < 1230134557 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :JollyRomping < 1230134639 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1230135337 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-30-172.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1230136389 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1230137067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :52M optbot < 1230137071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those logs be big < 1230137200 0 :JollyRomping!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1230137491 0 :sgt_nubbl!n=sgtnubbl@208.79.15.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1230137528 0 :sgt_nubbl!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1230140219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1230140285 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1230140303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1230140421 0 :ais523|direct!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1230140746 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spec: that's good, since it allows tunneling over P < 1230140774 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... do we have more new people here, or is cpu-jockey someone I know under a new nick? < 1230140785 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new < 1230140791 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) < 1230140794 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rainfuck) < 1230140798 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, everyone loves Brainfuck < 1230140804 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with good reason < 1230140805 0 :SirDayBat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1230140822 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking about writing a bf interpreter in asm < 1230140827 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the idea of selfmodifying code < 1230140829 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng19-0-0-cust700.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1230140829 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is easy to learn and reasonably easy to use < 1230140832 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some math tricks < 1230140858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainfuck might be interesting as well, in theory < 1230140876 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, push machine code directly proportinal to input to the stack, and jmp *esp < 1230141426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++[->++++>++++++++>++++++++++++>++++++++++++++<<<<]>>++.>>++.<+.++++++++.>----.<---.>+++++++.<<---.++++++++.<<.>>--.>--.<<<.>>+.+++.>+++.<----------. < 1230141427 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfu?G < 1230141435 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1230141445 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo near the end? < 1230141445 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRAINFUG < 1230141455 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit before the end < 1230141488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++[->++++>++++++++>++++++++++++>++++++++++++++<<<<]>>++.>>++.<+.++++++++.>----.<---.>+++++++.<---.++++++++.<<.>>--.>--.<<<.>>+.+++.>+++.<----------. < 1230141489 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is jmvc < 1230141503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is cursed. CURSED, i tell you < 1230141518 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jmvc < 1230141519 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jmvc < 1230141519 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jmvc < 1230141519 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jmvc < 1230141521 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I actually got gcc-bf to do something useful < 1230141530 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it fails at just about everything < 1230141536 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++[->++++>++++++++>++++++++++++>++++++++++++++<<<<]>>++.>>++.<+.++++++++.>----.<---.>+++++++.<---.++++++++.<<.>>--.>--.<<<.>>+++.+++.>+++.<----------. < 1230141536 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is love < 1230141537 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get as far as the hello in hello world < 1230141543 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I was doing the hello and the world differently < 1230141561 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pointers to heap work atm, pointers to stack do I think but can't be used due to a different bug) < 1230142143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++[->++++>+<<]>+>[++++++++<.>] < 1230142144 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1230142893 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,. < 1230142893 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1230143078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1230143133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,. < 1230143133 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1230143136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,,. < 1230143136 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1230143139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,,,. < 1230143139 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1230143153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +,. < 1230143162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,. < 1230143163 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1230143170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curiouser < 1230143213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf . < 1230143233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,.!? < 1230143234 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1230143238 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,. < 1230143238 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1230143254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,.! < 1230143312 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[,.]!Hello, world! < 1230143313 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1230143320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,. < 1230143320 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1230143343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,. < 1230143344 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1230143345 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,. < 1230143345 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1230143378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >+[<,.>] < 1230143378 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo, world! < 1230143385 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1230143395 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >+[<,.>] < 1230143395 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo, world! < 1230143395 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1230143410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[,.] < 1230143410 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>] < 1230143410 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have old input from somewhere < 1230143417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1230143434 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[,.] < 1230143434 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ve old input from somewhere < 1230143435 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a minute < 1230143440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit < 1230143443 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old input is the previous programs < 1230143448 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't < 1230143448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu-jockey: no, look! < 1230143450 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's old comments < 1230143454 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[,.] < 1230143454 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omments < 1230143467 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..........Hello, world! < 1230143470 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[,.] < 1230143470 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1230143470 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1230143523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1230143584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test a bit here < 1230143601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argle bargle, glop glyp glip < 1230143608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and about here < 1230143616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[,.] < 1230143617 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here < 1230143624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[,.] < 1230143625 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glyp glip < 1230143672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to write each comment over the previous ones < 1230143705 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,. < 1230143706 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :es Anthony Richard Hoare < 1230143711 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1230143718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there is no ! in the ^bf program, it takes the input from the partially overwritten line < 1230143728 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that doesn't explain my last test < 1230143732 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it does explain the other results < 1230143735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|direct: sure it does < 1230143752 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably from the youngest comment that was long enough < 1230143757 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+.,+. < 1230143757 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1230143763 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, of course < 1230143774 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++. < 1230143775 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-0.-0 < 1230143777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each comment just overwrites the line, probably terminating with zero or something < 1230143784 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'm trying to get rid of the 0 terminators < 1230143867 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[[[[.,],],],] < 1230143867 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get rid of the 0 terminators < 1230143954 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think once it reads a 0, it realises it has EOF < 1230143966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1230143986 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1230143991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you only get from the end of the bf program to the first 0 < 1230144038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those A's up there may mean you actually got past the whole line and into some other territory? < 1230144054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1230144063 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have just been a very old long comment < 1230144081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably zero outside the input line < 1230144137 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you thought the detection happened on the _output_? < 1230144140 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe < 1230144178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++[,+.] < 1230144179 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uif!efufdujpo!ibqqfofe!po!uif!`pvuqvu`@ ... < 1230144190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes it was < 1230144201 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the input is not checked for EOF it seems < 1230144210 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think once , returns 0 it always returns 0 < 1230144221 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the evidence so far points to that < 1230144225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that may be so < 1230144233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++[,+.] < 1230144234 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tp ... < 1230144241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah seems you are right < 1230144328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[,.] < 1230144328 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e and into some other territory? < 1230144340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[,.] < 1230144349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[,.] < 1230144350 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++. < 1230144362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[,.] < 1230144362 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++.,++. < 1230144371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[,.] < 1230144371 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f someone links a C program as well they should be careful if they plan to use ncurses < 1230144395 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[,.] < 1230144395 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they plan to use ncurses < 1230144403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[,.] < 1230144403 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :id3tag -jack -kate -libas < 1230144416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[,.] < 1230144416 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1230144423 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1230144426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[,.] < 1230144426 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1230144434 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[,.] < 1230144434 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1230144453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ < 1230144467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess i'm starting to be cut off < 1230144483 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>. < 1230144483 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World!. < 1230144486 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1230144528 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[>+++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++..+++.<++.<<+++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>. < 1230144528 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4ejjm6 < 1230145002 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-30-172.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1230145494 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1230147531 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1230148345 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1230148579 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1230148867 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@pool-162-83-176-144.ny5030.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1230149026 0 :mib_8oomfc!i=5b695942@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c512d0360c8afebc JOIN :#esoteric < 1230149031 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Face palm of the day: < 1230149031 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@rutian:~$ sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /var/ < 1230149035 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help. < 1230149037 0 :psygnisf_!n=psygnisf@pool-162-83-176-144.ny5030.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1230149042 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::x < 1230149090 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1230149169 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1230150746 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng19-0-0-cust700.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1230151465 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, how could that possible be difficult to fix? < 1230152303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[,.] < 1230152303 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, how could that possible be difficult to fix? < 1230152311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1230152317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice one < 1230152323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++[,.] < 1230152323 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : how could that possible be difficult to fix? < 1230152329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++[,.]!t < 1230152329 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1230152352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, hm < 1230152355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky one < 1230152358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you ehird? < 1230152381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest reinstalling packages if they will restore permissions to their own files < 1230152405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on what distro you use there may be special tools to compare permissions to that packages say should be used < 1230152417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember suse had such a tool ages ago when I used it < 1230152441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar scripts could be written easily if your distro use something like /var/db/pkg < 1230152442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1230152451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed < 1230152510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freebsd has mtree < 1230152518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for other *bsd I think < 1230152525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be used to restore it somewhat < 1230152563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :files from ports, if they are there and not in /usr/local, may need clean up in different ways < 1230152674 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, because they're all supposed to be owned by different accounts? < 1230152883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if anything would _really_ go wrong if he just set all of it to root:root < 1230152937 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a webserver would be unable to read its files < 1230152953 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1230152959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1230153073 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf -[.-] < 1230153073 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~}|{zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba`_^]\[ZYXWVUTSRQPONMLKJIHGFEDCBA@?>=<;:987654321 ... < 1230153108 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just what i needed :p my kbd layout is broken right now < 1230153318 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[.+] < 1230153318 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : . . !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ ... < 1230153955 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, that's the strangeity. < 1230153969 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The brainfuck cat input thing, I mean. < 1230153993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[,.] < 1230153993 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uck cat input thing, I mean. < 1230154036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks pretty obvious what it does now < 1230154045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[,.] < 1230154045 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty obvious what it does now < 1230154048 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1230154049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[,.] < 1230154049 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty obvious what it does now < 1230154061 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it should see the \0 at the end of the program and stop reading input there already. < 1230154083 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F90BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1230154088 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe there's an extra 1+ somewhere; it does need to skip past the ! in the "^bf ...!foo" form. < 1230154370 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an exploit in brainfuck would be cool < 1230155057 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu-jockey, look for exploits in PSOX? < 1230155064 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks for cover < 1230155090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Sgeo. there is no escape. -----### < 1230155278 0 :cpu-jockey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, i was thinking more of a precompiled interpreter in C with a known virtual address for the tape with no boundrary checks accessible over the network .. or by pigfly express < 1230156406 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1230157334 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi thar! < 1230157368 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my solution to the permissions shtuff: rebuild computer. < 1230157369 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi AnMaster < 1230157380 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rebuilding rutian; that's why I'm on mibbit--no bouncer < 1230157382 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which did you reccomend? < 1230157873 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ping < 1230158707 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1230159056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, hi < 1230159067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recommend what? < 1230159075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for rebuild: what about stuff on the system < 1230159079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you back that up < 1230159087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for me I recommended reinstalling all packages < 1230159097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or on *bsd using mtree < 1230159102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or on suse using it's fixup tool < 1230159113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think redhat has such a tool too < 1230159118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know name < 1230159123 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: recommend bouncer < 1230159128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1230159130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :znc is what I use < 1230159131 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I backed up the data beforehand, yes. < 1230159139 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: znc seemed a little, er, bloated. < 1230159141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite flexible and such < 1230159147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, makes you think of emacs? < 1230159150 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a bouncer really require a dynamic runtime plugin mechanism? < 1230159152 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean really. < 1230159190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I like znc, but does an editor need an advanced lisp based scripting language? < 1230159199 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. that's why I don't use emacs < 1230159224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, I like how znc handles multiple networks: as separate users < 1230159227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom needs a scripting language < 1230159230 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i need sleep -> < 1230159235 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That doesn't make sense. elaborate? < 1230159271 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every program requires a dynamic runtime plugin mechanism, so it can more easily use its broken implementation of half of common lisp < 1230159273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, last I checked, some bnc, not sure if it was psybnc or some other, mixed the network up, like multiplexed per user < 1230159276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what I mean < 1230159282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it make work fine in irssi or such < 1230159285 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use Freenode. < 1230159296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is a pain in GUI clients that allow you to have a tree view < 1230159303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with network and channels < 1230159307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as xchat < 1230159317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, well I use loads of networks, so for me it was a major issue < 1230159407 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flargl < 1230159410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, idea: try znc out, see what you think < 1230159412 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wipes box < 1230159415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be worth it < 1230159417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1230159418 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, once I rewipe < 1230159426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again? < 1230159429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do < 1230159432 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I haven't done it yet < 1230159438 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhoo, most likely candidate atm is ezbounce < 1230159447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, haven't tried that one < 1230159466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but well, I tried 2 or 3 before znc, and znc did all I wanted < 1230159468 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: the base ubuntu server install includes the package "laptop-detect". < 1230159469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more indeed < 1230159471 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1230159474 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, just in case you're running a server on a laptop. < 1230159475 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to know. < 1230159478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, crack < 1230159481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1230159488 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1230159504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including that package on server edition is cracky < 1230159513 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that word means what you think it means < 1230159520 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, libx11 < 1230159524 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all servers are desktops < 1230159525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, true, but it does in another channel I'm in < 1230159534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, is *vnc there? < 1230159538 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1230159544 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for ssh x11 forwarding, prolly < 1230159550 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get purge aptitude dhcp3-client dhcp3-common eject laptop-detect \ libatm1 libnewt0.52 libx11-6 libx11-data < 1230159554 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Current plan. < 1230159568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, and cracky in this case means "coder/developer was on crack when he coded/decided/* that" < 1230159576 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1230159600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dislike aptitude? < 1230159600 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dependencies in ubuntu/debian are a little strange < 1230159605 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's useless < 1230159610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? ok < 1230159612 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get autoremove does its auto-dependencierating < 1230159618 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its terminal graphical interface is crap < 1230159640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't like *.deb based very much so < 1230159647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prefers rolling-release distros < 1230159649 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the dependencies are weird - when I remove aptitude, it says that perl is now unused, and autoremove gets rid of it < 1230159654 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but debconf requires perl < 1230159658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as arch and gentoo, much easier to maintain and upgrade < 1230159658 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I then have to manually install perl again < 1230159664 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though /usr/bin/perl is still there < 1230159673 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: rolling-release is possible with debian. < 1230159674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1230159683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is /usr/bin/perl related to /etc/alternatives? < 1230159687 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you apt-get upgrade often, then dist-upgrade is just something you do every now and then < 1230159689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on debian stuff < 1230159689 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I don't think so. < 1230159707 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i think it fails to remove /usr/bin/perl because the thing that's removing it is running on it. < 1230159711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1230159716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just pure insane < 1230159725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you select packages at install time? < 1230159734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in some sort of install wizard or whatever < 1230159735 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng19-0-0-cust700.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1230159736 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: slicehost just put an image on the thing < 1230159741 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I believe so, yes < 1230159741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1230159773 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since its ssh host thing has changed, I get a nice heap of alarmism from ssh < 1230159781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got 6 cds with classical music this xmas, and a few other things < 1230159790 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(@@@@@@@@@SOMEONE IS PROBABLY MAN IN THE MIDDLING YOU AND EATING YOUR BABIES WHILE STEALING YOUR DOG@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@) < 1230159798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh I assume! < 1230159809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn I meant: "Dr. ssh I presume!" < 1230159837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very bad joke yes :P < 1230159885 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, I'm generally not going to use the ubuntu packages < 1230159888 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((for up-to-dateness)) < 1230159895 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to do ./configure && make < 1230159896 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then sudo checkinstall < 1230159904 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which runs make install, and analyzes what files it installs < 1230159911 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and builds a .deb out of that, which it adds to dpkg < 1230159921 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end result you can remove it and upgrade it cleanly using the standard tools < 1230159987 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nice. < 1230160006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another nice thing this xmas: 45-pieces screwdriver set with some of those strange variants, such as torx and such < 1230160018 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1230160037 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it's just an hour til real christmas. < 1230160039 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surreal. < 1230160043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, not here! < 1230160050 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said real. < 1230160070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is 00:06 the 25th here now < 1230160071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1230160078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches mib_8oomfc's pain < 1230160086 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1230160142 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This system is quite nicely stripped down, post-cleanup. < 1230160153 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around 145 installed packages, including the kernel, every single library, etc. < 1230160508 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % ssh eso-std.org ehird@eso-std.org's password: Linux rutian 2.6.16.29-xen #1 SMP Sun Sep 30 04:00:13 UTC 2007 x86_64 ehird@rutian:~$ < 1230160509 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woohoo < 1230160517 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speedy too! < 1230160562 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay. < 1230160565 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next up: web server! < 1230160569 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now watch AnMaster recommend lighttpd < 1230160584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like it, but I heard ngnix was good too < 1230160590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you will use it < 1230160598 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, this time I'm giving Cherokee a shot. http://www.cherokee-project.com/ < 1230160605 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It supports more of what I want than nginx. < 1230160608 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANd it's faster(!) < 1230160617 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ridiculously fast < 1230160619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.com? < 1230160629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1230160654 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, everyone uses .com < 1230160662 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's GPL < 1230160800 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's also modular, you'll like that :P < 1230160803 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uses epoll and stuff. < 1230160970 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sudo checkinstall, BAM! < 1230161044 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1230161046 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/www': No such file or directory < 1230161072 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"DRINK SOMETHING" < 1230161082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1230161096 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was called with -p < 1230161101 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not that the parent doesn't exist < 1230161103 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test -z ""/var/www/images"" || /bin/mkdir -p ""/var/www/images"" /bin/mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/www': No such file or directory < 1230161119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1230161126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm not sure of the cause < 1230161133 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like wtfening < 1230161137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the double quotes *does* look weird < 1230161149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, what about permissions? < 1230161149 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, in bash quoting that's irrelevant. < 1230161155 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, *do < 1230161157 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: permissions are fine < 1230161158 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is as root < 1230161163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount? < 1230161168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mounted read only or such I mean < 1230161175 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1230161180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace < 1230161185 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :P < 1230161188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the last resort < 1230161191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will always work < 1230161194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in such a case < 1230161206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace should easily be able to find the cause < 1230161225 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Or, I could ask #debian if mkdir -p should ever give that error < 1230161231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess it is a errno failure < 1230161236 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I couldn't, because they block mibbit. < 1230161236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it uses the wrong errno < 1230161242 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they're stupid. < 1230161245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what I mean? < 1230161253 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I doubt it.. < 1230161257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace will be the best way < 1230161261 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@rutian:~/cherokee-0.11.5$ sudo /bin/mkdir -p ""/var/www/images"" ehird@rutian:~/cherokee-0.11.5$ < 1230161264 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wfm < 1230161312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, yes something was very weird there < 1230161316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you using sudo or su? < 1230161321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you hit the error < 1230161334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was sudo I would try running that script using sudo su - < 1230161336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then run it < 1230161352 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo. < 1230161357 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll read their makefile. < 1230161360 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because I hate myself. < 1230161361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using su may work < 1230161361 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1230161369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had sudo mess up before < 1230161383 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This works without checkinstall. < 1230161386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it was with checkinstall, it might have caused it < 1230161387 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's checkinstall's monitoring. < 1230161400 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could manually 'make www'. < 1230161402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, I was comming to the same conclusion at the same time < 1230161414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does checkinstall work? < 1230161419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a LD_PRELOAD? < 1230161424 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish I knew. < 1230161427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or install to a fake root prefix? < 1230161438 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ < 1230161446 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah probably fake root < 1230161459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea what could happen if the latter: mkdir -p creates in fake root, looks in real root sees the directory wasn't created < 1230161462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes mad < 1230161465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just a wild idea < 1230161474 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test -z ""/usr/share/cherokee/icons/"" || /bin/mkdir -p ""/usr/share/cherokee/icons/"" /bin/mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/share/cherokee': No such file or directory < 1230161479 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1230161491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, what do you think of my last idea? < 1230161496 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers F-ing checkinstall < 1230161498 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: possible. < 1230161654 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what is up with it. < 1230161800 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: By the way, I can't su. < 1230161802 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can sudo su though. < 1230161897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, ubuntu fail < 1230161899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the cause of that < 1230161906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I have heard it is easy to fix < 1230161918 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1230161920 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not failure/ < 1230161924 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I specifically did it that way. < 1230161926 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For security. < 1230161937 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Root has no password, it is completely locked: you cannot log in as root.) < 1230161941 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's Good. < 1230161944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it more secure? if su already needs you to be in wheel group < 1230161950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ssh is set to deny root < 1230161959 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because it's simply: you can't log in as root, period. < 1230161962 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an extra barrier. < 1230161967 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "sudo su -" works. < 1230161973 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And doesn't involve memorizing a root password.) < 1230162159 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so how do you use strace < 1230162185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace /bin/foo < 1230162196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how to check it together with checkinstall < 1230162221 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I mean use it, once I do that. < 1230162232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is an example http://rafb.net/p/iwCj9b44.html < 1230162242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a debugging tool to see system calles < 1230162244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calls* < 1230162250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can help see what call failed < 1230162255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and figure out the cause of the failure < 1230162258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it was doing < 1230162260 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, ok. < 1230162263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like reading in the wrong place < 1230162270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as I suggested above < 1230162273 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it'll give like 50 pages of output, I bet. < 1230162292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, well for checkinstall you probably need to use trace children option < 1230162297 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1230162300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-f -- follow forks, -ff -- with output into separate files < 1230162319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace -h < 1230162324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for more details :) < 1230162332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite easy to use once you get the hang of it < 1230162362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, and IMO one of the best debugging tools for when system tools behave strange, gdb is better when you know what to look for in the source < 1230162368 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat, 50 pages of useless output. < 1230162370 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome......... < 1230162375 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, checkinstall needs my input. < 1230162378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, power of grep :D < 1230162379 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't see what it wants. < 1230162380 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME < 1230162383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1230162388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can redirect to separate file < 1230162399 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah okay, how < 1230162401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-o file -- send trace output to FILE instead of stderr < 1230162418 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@rutian:~/cherokee-0.11.5$ ls -lh yawn -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 862K Dec 24 23:46 yawn < 1230162436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace -o yawn -ff checkinstall < 1230162439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1230162442 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1230162445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace does *NOT* work across sudo < 1230162451 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did 'sudo strace' < 1230162453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to run strace on the root side too < 1230162458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, that should work < 1230162482 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, eff this. There'll be a simple thing I'm missing. < 1230162504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure, I just find strace very useful < 1230162513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a great tool when used correctly < 1230162515 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1230162537 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stick to my falutin' high-level languages. < 1230162538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb, strace, valgrind there are a few I can't live without when programming/debugging. and gdb and strace even on servers < 1230162552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you want to analyse core dumps and such < 1230162559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case something fails < 1230162733 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what to do. < 1230162743 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1230162747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well strace could work < 1230162748 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will install a bouncer while I think. < 1230162760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, try them out < 1230162764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several nice ones < 1230162771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :znc, ezbounce and so on < 1230162778 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The options as I see them are ezbounce, znc and miau. < 1230162783 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex uses miau and it seems to be buggy. < 1230162789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :miau I haven't heard of before < 1230162790 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :znc seems a bit bloated for my tastes. < 1230162794 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess I will try ezbounce. < 1230162803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I use znc? < 1230162820 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1230162825 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looked a bit bloated. < 1230162828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1230162908 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does znc offer the only reason I use a bouncer: it will log certain (not all) channels you specify, and, when you reconnect, it will play it back < 1230162917 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., send you all the messages/parts/joins/nicks/whatever since you left < 1230162921 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then erase that log < 1230162926 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apart from timestamps, you get a "continuous" window < 1230162929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, it has away log, I never checked if it can exclude channels or not < 1230162930 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really great < 1230162934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I want to log all channels < 1230162939 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does it play it back in that manner, though? < 1230162941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also has full log, again I never checked details < 1230162949 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I dont' want to log high-traffic channels like #haskell < 1230162949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, it plays it back when you reconnect < 1230162949 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1230162951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with timestamps < 1230162955 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: with timestamps? < 1230162955 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1230162960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timestamps are added to the front of the line < 1230162963 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew. < 1230162964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: < 1230162975 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like. < 1230162976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12:00] rest of line here < 1230162983 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you disable that? < 1230162987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the nick of the person in the normal place < 1230162994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, think so, but I want it that way < 1230163004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not sure < 1230163017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you probably can by /msg *away foo < 1230163020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1230163030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it uses /msg *status /msg *whatever and so on < 1230163033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that * < 1230163037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for controlling functions < 1230163037 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...really? < 1230163039 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1230163051 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not a special command, as in /quote ZnC < 1230163053 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ZNC < 1230163069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/3rKuw640.html < 1230163076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, that works too < 1230163081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1230163091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep it does < 1230163113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<*away> Commands: away [-quiet], back [-quiet], delete , ping, show, save, enabletimer, disabletimer, settimer , timer < 1230163113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1230163114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1230163119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1230163121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is auto away < 1230163123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not away log < 1230163131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks what module is the right one < 1230163145 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.znc.in/wiki/Modules < 1230163149 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate software like this. < 1230163161 0 :mib_8oomfc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our core program does nothing! You have to trawl through our huge module list and pick them out. SO ELEGANT" < 1230163178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_8oomfc, hm I actually like it that way < 1230163186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ircds where you can configure what you want exactly < 1230163197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know an ircd that even has server-server linking as a module < 1230163198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)