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03:31:03 <GregorR> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30234793&l=8428a&id=1055580469
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04:11:41 <psygnisfive> we should have an #esoteric facebook group
04:23:09 <GregorR> psygnisfive: Oh, that's who that is :P
04:23:19 <GregorR> psygnisfive: I got a friend request and was about to send a message "Uh, do I know you?"
04:24:00 <GregorR> bsmntbombdood: Is the debris shaped like a large piece of plastic, glass and metal?
04:24:54 <Asztal> there's already a http://www.facebook.com/groups.php?ref=sb#/group.php?gid=2410064537
04:25:34 <Asztal> uh, two '?' in a URL? is that even a valid URI?
04:31:26 <Asztal> yeah, I just checked... I thought URI fragments were far more restricted :(
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05:42:03 <kerlo> GregorR is on Facebook?
05:42:47 <kerlo> Hey, I do recognize that face.
06:00:33 <GregorR> I don't recognize that nick ...
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06:32:53 <Vendan> Whee! SNUSP interpreter, made in Second Life
06:32:55 <Vendan> http://files.vendaria.net/snusp_sl_001.png
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15:25:23 <Slereah> The Kool Aid man is here D:
15:26:03 <psygnisfive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcMHAM0cUbY
15:26:11 <Slereah> Did you look desperatly for it while in Fronce?
15:27:19 <oerjan> they probably have it but l'Academie Francaise has demanded they call it something french
15:27:59 <psygnisfive> "we do not have ze yellow here.... eeeeeh zey are sweess!"
15:28:56 * oerjan realizes yello is not a soft drink
15:29:13 <psygnisfive> oerjan, did you watch that video i just linked to?
15:30:26 <Slereah> Although it does make me thirsty for a good old Duff.
15:31:31 <psygnisfive> the video will basically just confuse the fuck out of you
15:31:59 <Slereah> http://img.lulz.net:8080/src/1229358859089.jpg
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15:37:31 <oerjan> a veritable snorgasbord
15:38:06 <psygnisfive> that unifies old timey with esoteric programming
15:38:29 <Slereah> It already exists, psygnisfive.
15:38:54 <psygnisfive> we can build an analytical engine and then dress up in old timey outfits!
15:39:25 <oerjan> yeah but where do we get the steam-powered death rays?
15:40:34 <kerlo> I prefer to call her Lady Ada.
15:40:40 <psygnisfive> then use it to calculate the plans for a deadly corpuscular wave projector!
15:40:54 <kerlo> Lada Ada the Lovelace Lady.
15:41:32 <kerlo> Or the Countess of Lovelace if you so prefer.
15:41:35 <oerjan> also, afaik the analytical engine has _not_ been built.
15:41:50 <Slereah> oerjan : There's a program simulation
15:41:57 <psygnisfive> Lady Ada Countess Lovelace is how her name would've been said
15:42:16 <psygnisfive> i believe. british titles are weird in how they're used
15:42:32 <psygnisfive> they're preposed before the last name when reading someones full name
15:44:13 <psygnisfive> how do we know the government hasnt constructed dozens of these calculating machines and used them to tabulate thousands of units of data about the citizenry?!
15:44:38 <Slereah> But they used regular calculating machines
15:45:34 <Slereah> What would you say about a jolly old round of rogering?
15:45:51 <psygnisfive> oh splendid idea my good fellow, splendid idea!
15:46:46 <kerlo> I have the honour to remain, Madam, Your Majesty's most humble and obedient servant!
15:47:34 <psygnisfive> http://community.livejournal.com/steamfashion/374499.html
15:47:46 <psygnisfive> that guy with the cyberpunk hair? i want his outfit
15:47:48 <oerjan> kerlo: Watt. specifically, his steam engine.
15:48:30 <oerjan> well you don't want to come too early
15:48:38 <psygnisfive> alexander had hes little steam striven ball, be it a toy, and the venicians were using steam turbines for centuries before watt
15:48:56 * oerjan sometimes doesn't believe himself
15:53:03 <oerjan> that's what i thought i was just dreaming
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16:59:22 <ehird> Who wants to join my 'never check the return result of malloc()' club?
17:00:27 <ais523> ehird: they aren't here, their clients crashed
17:00:45 <ehird> ais523: Their IRC clients use all their fucking memory?
17:00:47 <ehird> They have bigger problems.
17:01:06 <ehird> Also, I assume YOUR irc client gracefully recovers from out of memory, ey?
17:01:18 <ehird> (Exiting is not a recovery.)
17:01:25 <ehird> (Exiting in that case = crashing.)
17:01:40 <ais523> actually, it depends on the OS
17:01:52 <ais523> checking malloc's return value is pointless on Linux nowadays unless you're doing very big allocs
17:02:03 <ais523> because it's more likely to return a false value or kill your process than it is to return null
17:02:36 <ehird> as far as I'm concerned, if there isn't enough memory to run my program, then that's the rest of the system's problem
17:03:59 <ais523> some programs can recover sanely on out-of-memory
17:04:11 <ehird> ais523: yes, about 3 of them.
17:04:13 <ais523> by not doing whatever was using the memory
17:04:16 <ehird> most of the time, it's not worth the trouble
17:04:21 <ais523> ehird: Perl is one, if you compile it with special flags
17:04:32 <ehird> ais523: it shouldn't, though
17:04:49 <ehird> sure, you CAN go into StrippedDownMode, but if the computer has no memory left, I doubt using your program will be possible anyway.
17:06:22 <ais523> ehird: just think about what's using the memory, and don't
17:06:30 <ais523> for instance, say you're trying to open a file and it doesn't fit in memory
17:06:42 <ais523> it would be graceful to just not open that file and let people continue editing the other files they have open
17:06:52 <ehird> ais523: yes, that is one of the rare cases
17:06:53 <ais523> or at least give them a chance to save them
17:07:03 <ehird> I'm talking in general, here
17:07:09 <ehird> the regular memory that your program uses for stuff
17:07:24 <ehird> don't even bother wrapping it, it doesn't even buy you anything, it's such an edge case
17:40:55 <oerjan> yes, hindley-milner is a good idea. if you can pull it off.
17:42:06 <ehird> grrrrrrrrrrr the next person that calls a language unreadable
17:42:08 <ehird> will eat my fucking toes
17:46:53 * oerjan doesn't find Unreadable on the wiki
17:47:28 <oerjan> of course it would take something to beat the competition
17:48:21 <ais523> whitespace-encoded Unlambda would take quite some reading
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17:50:34 <Slereah> Well, whitespace is already unreadable.
17:50:47 <ehird> I decree that foobar.
17:51:03 <Asztal> you just need good syntax colouring.
17:52:20 <ais523> there are editors to syntax-colour Whitespace
17:52:27 <ais523> but even with syntax colouring, Whitespace is hard to read
17:58:42 <psygnisfive> whitespace can surely be trivially ciphered into something more readable
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18:04:49 <oklorol> well isn't it just a stack thingie
18:05:42 <ais523> the ok and the use of several os have been pretty much the only stable part of oklorol's nick
18:05:54 <ais523> although I still think of them as oklopol, probably because that's the most common one
18:06:13 <psygnisfive> did you know the piraha change names every few months?
18:06:14 <oklorol> well i agree with psygnisfive, "rol" just doesn't work that well.
18:06:50 <oklorol> yes, but could've been a typo.
18:07:24 <oklorol> i know you don't. it was a pretty surreal joke.
18:07:56 <psygnisfive> and not necessarily like.. "I am now Bob!"
18:08:06 <psygnisfive> "You dont feel like a Jack any more.. you're more of a Bob."
18:08:47 <oklorol> DO THEIR SOULS CHANGE TOO?
18:09:51 <oklorol> are they trying to make up for that with all the names?
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18:12:07 <oklosol> i should probably do something soon
18:12:16 <oklosol> been awake for 12 hours, done nothing yet :-)
18:15:13 <psygnisfive> im probably going to go to bed for another hour or two
18:16:18 <psygnisfive> oklokok and oklohol. its what you use to oklofok
18:17:16 <oklosol> oklohol sounds more like an alcoholic beverage to me.
18:23:17 <oklosol> hmm. actually i think i'll just sleep a mo
18:28:08 <kerlo> oklosol is a solution.
18:28:22 <kerlo> Wait, no, it isn't.
18:28:36 <kerlo> It's a suspension of fine solid particles or liquid droplets in oklopol.
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21:55:11 <ais523> ehird: I'm reading through the happy-hour PAM and other useful programs thing you linked earlier
21:55:18 <ais523> I especially like the block-device version of /dev/null
21:55:25 <ehird> cdrewind is brilliance
21:55:33 <ehird> http://www.brendangregg.com/Specials/cdrewind
21:55:36 <ais523> in theory, you could use that to test mke2fs or similar programs which work best on block devices
21:55:40 <ais523> and yes, I like it too
21:55:57 <ais523> hmm... mightn't it cause the CD to always be the right way up when you take it out of the drive?
21:56:06 <ais523> it's annoying to take out a CD and see it has an upside-down logo
21:56:15 <ais523> it's like the thing rotates inside the drive
21:56:31 <ehird> my cd blunder is putting it in wrong side up
21:56:46 <ehird> this imac could do with a little form over function in that area, there's no eject button...
21:56:59 <ehird> i got it ejected once from the os, I don't recall how
21:57:07 <ais523> /dev/notrandom is kind-of fun
21:57:18 <ais523> also, I have 5 ways to eject on here
21:57:19 <ehird> i like how it consists of infinite bleeps
21:57:23 <ehird> to simulate catting /dev/random
21:58:03 <ehird> does it delay every few seconds like random?
21:58:04 <ais523> eject button, Fn-F10, eject from command-line, eject icon on Nautilus that's utterly ripped off from Mac OS X, right-click and choose eject
21:58:17 <ais523> (that's one of Mac OS X's better ideas, though, I'm glad Ubuntu shamelessly stole it)
21:58:44 <ehird> i'm pretty sure every gui environment since the macintosh has stolen from it :P
21:58:46 <ehird> except maybe plan 9.
21:59:12 <ais523> but this was a newish idea they stole, not an old one
21:59:15 <ais523> also, what about Smalltalk?
21:59:26 <ehird> well, I was about to say the macintosh stole wholesale from xerox parc.
21:59:59 <ehird> and they did both the Alto and Smalltalk
22:00:09 <ais523> I think it's a bad idea for much the same reason as gvim, by the way
22:00:15 <ehird> Much later, in the midst of the Apple v. Microsoft lawsuit in which Apple accused Microsoft of violating its copyright by appropriating the use of the "look and feel" of the Macintosh GUI, Xerox also sued Apple on the same grounds.
22:00:20 <ais523> I like vi, but think gvim is kind-of missing the point
22:00:29 <ais523> and yes, that is brilliant
22:01:18 <ehird> ais523: the sam editor for plan9 is basically multi-document ed
22:01:20 <ehird> it has a top command pane
22:01:23 <ehird> and little file windows
22:01:42 <ehird> the file windows are just for seeing what you're doing :P
22:01:51 <ehird> iirc, ken thompson uses it as his main editor
22:02:53 <ais523> I've edited with sed before now
22:03:02 <ais523> ed is similar but more interactive-friendly
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22:04:46 -!- Ilke has set topic: YOU'RE AWAKE MOTHERFUCKER??? GET A REAL LANGUAGE! GET LAID! GET OFF THIS CHANNEL DIPSHIT.
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22:07:35 <ehird> what a sad fucker :)
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22:07:54 -!- ais523 has set topic: Logs are here: `wget http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/08.12.29 -O - 2> /dev/null | grep 'logs >>>' | sed 's/.*logs >>> \(.*\) <<<.*/\1/'`.
22:08:00 -!- jkele has set topic: ehird sad is your momMOTHERFUCKER!!! GET A REAL LANGUAGE! GET LAID! GET OFF THIS CHANNEL DIPSHIT.
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22:08:10 -!- ais523 has set topic: Logs are here: `wget http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/08.12.29 -O - 2> /dev/null | grep 'logs >>>' | sed 's/.*logs >>> \(.*\) <<<.*/\1/'`.
22:08:13 <ehird> hahaha, what a fucking retard
22:08:18 <ais523> also, yay for a client that stores topic history
22:08:37 <Slereah> jkele No such nick/channel
22:08:45 <ais523> well, we have the whois data
22:08:48 <ehird> woah, wait, "ehird sad is your mom"?
22:08:50 <ais523> and jkele = Ilke, pretty obviously
22:08:57 <ais523> given the identical whois
22:09:01 <ais523> and behaviour similarity
22:09:13 <ehird> the previous troll.
22:09:16 <ehird> who came in 3 seconds before him.
22:09:18 <ais523> cheriire@cpe-76-87-77-169.socal.res.rr.com
22:09:21 <ehird> and did the same thing.
22:09:32 <ais523> may as well preserve the whois for the logs, in case anyone decides to google it or whatever
22:09:36 <ehird> now the question -
22:09:37 <Slereah> Yes, but I was mostly looking for where he hangs out
22:09:44 <ehird> where did he come from, why did he do that, and who is he?
22:10:02 <ehird> i really can't think why you'd do that, i mean, it's just a stupid little channel that nobody really cares about
22:10:04 <ais523> it's someone who at least knows a bit about what the channel's for
22:10:08 <ais523> given what he put in the topic
22:10:22 <Slereah> His mom was raped by Brainfuck
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22:10:31 <ehird> klslss: not you again
22:10:40 -!- klslss has set topic: EHIRD WILL SUCK MY BALLS AND HIS MOM's! Slereah will do the same because he's a opwhore! REST OF YOU FUCKWITS GET A REAL LANGUAGE, LEARN A REAL LANGUAGE AND STOP BEING WUSSIES FROM START TREK!.
22:10:41 <ehird> and why are you targeting this tiny place.
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22:10:57 <Slereah> He is on no other channel.
22:11:03 <ehird> ahahahahahgahahahahahahaha
22:11:03 -!- ais523 has set topic: Logs are here: `wget http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/08.12.29 -O - 2> /dev/null | grep 'logs >>>' | sed 's/.*logs >>> \(.*\) <<<.*/\1/'`.
22:11:10 <Slereah> A sockpuppet just to troll our little place?
22:11:12 <ehird> how old are you, log-reading troll?
22:11:18 <ehird> can't be much more
22:11:56 <Slereah> Well, here's one for our log reading troll then.
22:11:57 <Slereah> http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Argh/1221655091974.jpg
22:12:05 <ais523> Slereah: what's that a link to?
22:12:14 <ehird> ais523: don't click.
22:12:16 <ais523> I'm obviously not planning to click on it given content
22:12:17 <Slereah> ais523 : Something you'd better not click
22:12:32 <ais523> oerjan: don't click on the above link
22:12:38 <ais523> I know you aren't here, but IIRC you logread
22:12:47 <ehird> EVERYONE: don't click on the above link.
22:12:58 <ais523> Slereah: just don't paste that sort of link in
22:13:06 <ehird> I subtract the troll from EVERYONE
22:13:47 * ais523 wonders if the troll actually deduced the logs from the topic
22:13:52 <ais523> by running the resulting program
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22:14:38 -!- klslvoeoe has set topic: you can subtract your mom from my dick because she's old and you're a stupid fuckface! now LEARN C or say perl! stop being esoteric asswads.
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22:15:00 <ehird> How can someone know what C and Perl is and be so absolutely fucking braindead?
22:15:08 -!- ais523 has set topic: Logs are here: `wget http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/08.12.29 -O - 2> /dev/null | grep 'logs >>>' | sed 's/.*logs >>> \(.*\) <<<.*/\1/'`.
22:15:20 <ehird> i wonder why he thinks we even care.
22:15:22 <ais523> do we have any live ops?
22:15:33 <ehird> he'll give up eventually.
22:15:42 <ehird> unless he's I_RULE in disguise.
22:15:54 <ehird> which is...very possible
22:16:00 <ais523> well, telling freenode might help stop them trolling other channels that care more
22:16:09 <Slereah> Maybe he comes from /prog/ :o
22:16:10 <ehird> freenode don't do that kind of thing.
22:16:32 <ehird> I_RULE claimed to have been "harrassed and threatened" by me over /msg in #freenode, they just told him to ignore me.
22:16:36 <ehird> (Of course, the whole thing was made up.)
22:16:47 <ehird> for specific channels, they tell you to take it up with that channel's op
22:17:10 <ehird> alive: lament, fizzie.
22:17:25 <ehird> ~exec sys.stdout('pew pew pew')
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22:18:01 -!- Slereah has set topic: NO LIVE OPS!!! get with the program! Python!.
22:18:05 <ehird> Hey, he stopped insulting our mothers.
22:18:06 -!- ais523 has set topic: Logs are here: `wget http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/08.12.29 -O - 2> /dev/null | grep 'logs >>>' | sed 's/.*logs >>> \(.*\) <<<.*/\1/'`.
22:18:28 -!- ehird has set topic: NO DEAD OPS!!! get out of the program! Brainfuck! http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
22:18:32 <Slereah> I'm shocked that this man would claim that C is a real language.
22:18:49 <ais523> C and Perl are pretty different in philosophy...
22:18:55 <ehird> with c you can be a real man.
22:18:57 <ais523> and both are arguably esoteric
22:19:02 <ehird> and allocate memory with your huge manly manliness.
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22:19:05 <ais523> although not as esoteric as most of the stuff we discuss here
22:19:06 -!- jkvkasas has set topic: BRAINFUCK IS NOT WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS OR USES! you fucking cunts, learn a real language!.
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22:19:15 -!- ais523 has set topic: Logs are here: `wget http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/08.12.29 -O - 2> /dev/null | grep 'logs >>>' | sed 's/.*logs >>> \(.*\) <<<.*/\1/'`.
22:19:18 <ehird> does he realise we just do this for fun?
22:19:28 <ehird> "BRAINFUCK IS NOT WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS OR USES! " -- sounds like an enterprise idiot
22:19:42 * ehird waits for his delayed topic-response.
22:20:02 <ais523> ehird: can you easily bring back optbot?
22:20:07 <ais523> 'twould seem to be the perfect response
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22:20:29 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Rule: You must violate this rule..
22:20:30 <Slereah> He can be programmed to hunt him down with his laser.
22:20:30 <ais523> besides, nobody's forcing anyone to use BF
22:20:48 <ehird> we're not doing this for a paycheck, you retard.
22:20:56 <ais523> ehird: two log links? optbot cares about them even more than I and oklosol do
22:20:56 <optbot> ais523: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Rule: You must violate this rule.
22:21:08 <ais523> oh, you've only given it one line of input
22:21:10 <optbot> ais523: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Rule: You must violate this rule.
22:21:15 <ehird> are you so insecure that you can't deal with a bunch of people - many of whom, in fact, I believe have been "laid" - messing around with computation?
22:21:16 -!- optbot has quit (Remote closed the connection).
22:21:19 <ehird> The answer, is yes.
22:21:47 -!- optbot has joined.
22:21:47 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I doubt it's like that.
22:21:52 <ehird> I think it is, optbot.
22:21:53 <optbot> ehird: sounds pimpcash
22:21:58 <ehird> Yes. Very pimpcash, optbot.
22:21:58 <optbot> ehird: really isn't? damn :\
22:22:04 <optbot> ehird: just as long as it doesn't involve smurfs. FOR MERCY'S SAKE, NO SMURFS
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22:22:08 <ehird> optbot: okay, okay, no smurfs.
22:22:09 <optbot> ehird: d(4/b(4))-4/4 = 80
22:22:09 -!- KVDLWW has set topic: THEN WHAT DO YOU CARE ABOUT? USE A REAL LANGUAGE! SERIOUSLYT! AND IF YOU'RE USING BRAINFUCK AS A HOBBYIST, YOU CAN START OFF BY GETTING a different hobby like maybe going out and getting laid like NORMAL PEOPLE?!.
22:22:11 <ehird> optbot: say hi to KVDLWW
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22:22:15 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | no.
22:22:33 <ais523> troll: how do you think we implement BF, if not in real languages/
22:23:03 <ehird> Dear anonymous coward troll: Why don't you go get laid like NORMAL PEOPLE, instead of trolling an IRC channel?
22:23:03 <ais523> well, in reality we implement it in esolangs
22:23:03 <ais523> but that's because we're us
22:23:05 <ehird> After all, the two are obviously mutually incompatible.
22:23:08 <ehird> Just as with esolangs, right?
22:23:40 <Slereah> Like, actually not caring.
22:23:46 <ehird> Because he's an idiot.
22:24:39 * ais523 deplores the current decline in the quality of internet trolling
22:24:46 <ais523> trolls used to actually be good back decades ago
22:24:52 <ais523> and not be recognised as trolls for weeks
22:24:54 <Slereah> Yeah, where are the 50 Hitlers?
22:24:59 <ehird> Heck, I'd prefer the GNAA or 4chan to this moron.
22:25:10 -!- Slereah has changed nick to Epic_Fail_Guy.
22:25:11 <ais523> then, when the conversation got interesting and bizzare, you got the YHBT. YHL. HAND.
22:25:37 <ehird> Epic_Fail_Guy: no, you have to start 100 clones and spam the channel with "FUCK"
22:25:39 -!- Epic_Fail_Guy has changed nick to Slereah.
22:25:53 <Slereah> ehird : I used to have a program like that
22:26:00 <ais523> Slereah: what's the point?
22:26:10 <ais523> all IRC networks ban clonebots nowadays anyway
22:26:25 <ehird> ais523: I've ran clonebots in #esoteric-blah for an okoplay.
22:26:33 <ehird> they spammed fast and weren't banned
22:26:37 <ais523> that was only 2 of them, not hundreds
22:26:43 <ehird> i had another variation
22:26:56 <ais523> hmm... there should be a mode on channels meaning "this channel allows clonebots and spamming"
22:27:09 <ais523> hmm... maybe a +trolling/-trolling mode too
22:27:21 <ais523> not entirely sure what would happen if a troll came in and it was turned off
22:27:29 <ehird> It ought to be noted that despite the pseudo-mathematical styling of this formulation, it is mathematically equivalent to saying "Sometimes people make comparisons involving Nazis or Hitler," and thus means pretty much nothing.
22:27:34 <ehird> -- Encyclopedia Dramatica on Godwin's Law
22:27:55 <ais523> ehird: it actually means "the longer a thread gets, the more likely it is that someone will make a Godwin comparison"
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22:28:01 <ais523> but that comes to much the same thing
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22:28:16 -!- kskskssldlld has set topic: /quit fuckers.
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22:28:19 <ais523> there are some bizzare potential counterexamples, say the law would be false if the first message in a thread had a 50% chance of mentioning hitler
22:28:21 <ais523> but none of the others did
22:28:27 -!- ais523 has set topic: Logs are here: `wget http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/08.12.29 -O - 2> /dev/null | grep 'logs >>>' | sed 's/.*logs >>> \(.*\) <<<.*/\1/'`.
22:28:42 <ehird> gee troll you sure are making our lives hard
22:28:48 <ais523> kskskssldlld: you're doing it wrong, if you want to quit someone else from IRC you type /quit name into your client, not into the topic
22:28:52 <ais523> besides, fuckers isn't in here atm anyway
22:29:09 <ehird> i like the part where he's getting more and more lazy
22:29:14 <ehird> right now I long for the days of me sucking balls.
22:29:39 <ais523> ehird: that sounds wrong
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22:30:45 <ehird> alexholowczak: hi, are you the troll?
22:30:51 <Slereah> The spamming program is not on Partyvan.
22:30:54 <ais523> he knows me from another channel
22:31:00 <ais523> he's never seen a troll, so he came to watch
22:31:00 <Slereah> Maybe it was on Patriotic Nigra.
22:31:11 <ehird> alexholowczak: be braced for topic profanity.
22:31:16 <ehird> he'll be back in a minute...
22:31:20 <alexholowczak> (22:30:38) ehird: alexholowczak: hi, are you the troll? <- What would you have done if I said "yes"? :-P
22:31:37 <ehird> alexholowczak: commended you for having actually said something in the channel :P
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22:31:46 <ais523> and Judofyr isn't the troll either
22:31:52 <ehird> or... maybe he is!
22:32:02 <alexholowczak> ehird: Yes, I know that IRC has a reputation for not having anything happen... ever.
22:32:04 <ais523> either that, or being very clever with proxies
22:32:23 <Judofyr> gah. Colloquy won't let me see what you write!
22:32:24 <ehird> alexholowczak: this troll delivers messages by coming in with a dsfkjsdfkj-style nick, setting the channel, and parting again
22:33:05 <ais523> well, you can see what we're saying now
22:33:53 <Judofyr> I can read the raw IRC-stream, though
22:34:07 <ehird> alexholowczak: he'll be back
22:34:12 <ehird> he was away for quite a bit last time
22:34:14 <ais523> alexholowczak: trolls aren't used to people reacting intelligently, we must have confused them
22:34:40 <ehird> quick, ais523, talk about computation
22:34:40 <Judofyr> good IRC client for mac, anyone?
22:34:55 <ais523> Judofyr: ehird should know one, he used one for ages
22:34:59 <ehird> http://limechat.net/mac/
22:34:59 <ais523> and probably still does
22:35:02 <alexholowczak> Somebody poke me if the troll returns... Indeed it may not be your priority... But it'd be appreciated. :-P
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22:35:14 -!- VKDKAKKE has set topic: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA get a realLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LANGUAGE.
22:35:15 <ehird> alexholowczak: he's back
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22:35:30 <ehird> like... retarded fireworks!
22:35:40 -!- ais523 has set topic: Logs are here: `wget http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/08.12.29 -O - 2> /dev/null | grep 'logs >>>' | sed 's/.*logs >>> \(.*\) <<<.*/\1/'`.
22:35:58 <ehird> for some values of intelligent
22:36:06 <ais523> he insulted BF earlier, but not on any particularly insightful grounds
22:36:24 <ehird> alexholowczak: it's worse because he's shown a cursory knowledge of the existence of C, Perl and brainfuck
22:36:25 <ais523> he's just jealous of a channel where you can do this:
22:36:30 <Slereah> Hey, guy, what do you think of Lazy K?
22:36:31 <ais523> ^bf ,[.,]!Look at this!
22:36:38 <ais523> you can't easily do that with C
22:36:42 <alexholowczak> Yes, but by doing it by insulting a programming language is... not usual.
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22:36:55 <ais523> help, we're being invaded by troll-watchers
22:37:02 <ehird> .c printf("hello world\n"); /* don't tempt me ais523 */
22:37:05 <ais523> casmith_789: how long until the whole of the rest of the channel turns up?
22:37:21 <ehird> we should have people come in and fake trolling
22:37:23 <Slereah> He's a valuable asset to this communauty.
22:38:15 <ais523> ^bf >,[>,]<[.<]!Playing around with BF is fun.
22:38:15 <fungot> .nuf si FB htiw dnuora gniyalP
22:38:19 <casmith_789> I'm worried - is that programming language I see c?
22:38:25 <ehird> casmith_789: that was :-P
22:38:29 <ais523> ehird pasted a line of C above
22:38:30 <Judofyr> brb, switching to LimeChat :-)
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22:38:32 <ais523> but there isn't a Cbot in here
22:38:42 <ehird> ais523: I was threatening to add that to botte.
22:38:51 <ais523> ehird: it would be hard to get it working correctly
22:38:54 <Slereah> Hey, guy, why don't you take up Python?
22:38:59 <ais523> although writing .c #define NULL argv would be fun
22:39:06 <ehird> ais523: not really, import standard headers, wrap in main(void) { ... }
22:39:15 <ehird> int main(void) { ...; return 0; }
22:39:25 <ehird> and run in sandbox
22:39:28 * ais523 waits for AnMaster to wonder wtf is going on
22:39:42 <alexholowczak> Slereah: He's someone who I know... Who always goes on about how great python is.
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22:39:53 <ais523> Perl vs. Python is one of the big Holy Wars
22:39:59 <ais523> just like emacs vs. vi
22:40:06 <ais523> or 1tbs vs. BSD-style indentation
22:40:08 <Slereah> So I'll just go PYTHON ACKBAR >:|
22:40:22 <ehird> Judofyr: limechat is written in ruby FWIW :P
22:40:41 <ais523> looks like time to go home, anyway
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22:40:44 <ehird> hmm on further inspection the site says that
22:40:50 <ais523> you'll have to have fun troll-watching on your own
22:40:55 <ais523> AnMaster: someone mentioned xlq
22:40:55 <ehird> AnMaster: we have a troll.
22:41:02 <ehird> ais523 pinged you for some reason
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22:41:10 -!- JKLELVE has set topic: befunge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ftw! and its not some stupid python vs perl flame war! it's about being rational on what languages can be used and what hobbies you people need to revaluate!.
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22:41:23 <ehird> Isn't this guy anti-eso/
22:41:30 <Slereah> Everyone <3 Befunge, ehird
22:41:34 <ehird> AnMaster: apparently I suck balls!
22:41:37 <ehird> alexholowczak: He log watches, duh.
22:41:43 <ehird> http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.01.03
22:41:43 <AnMaster> ehird, report to opers and/or chanops
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22:41:47 <ehird> AnMaster: there are none, stupid
22:41:56 <ehird> also, freenode oeprs don't deal with cahnnel-specific thngs
22:42:00 <ehird> lament is never here
22:42:09 <ehird> besides, he'll tire soon enough
22:42:11 <Judofyr> Camping is probably the framework for you guys: http://github.com/why/camping/tree/master/lib%2Fcamping.rb
22:42:15 <ehird> meanwhile, he's amusingly idiotic
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22:42:19 -!- jvkelfoe has set topic: report?! LOLOLOLOL suck it up and accept the fact i'm right here! esosteric languages suck monkey balls!.
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22:42:22 <ehird> Judofyr: i love camping, it's ridiculous
22:42:30 <AnMaster> ehird, yes he is, he made a zen comment just a few a weeks ago
22:42:33 <ehird> troll: like we'd dignify you with a reporting.
22:42:41 <ehird> AnMaster: whatever
22:42:42 <Judofyr> in my local repo I've manged to get it below 3k
22:42:51 <ehird> he's been here for hours XD
22:42:52 <fizzie> Maybe I should do at +t, then.
22:43:06 <AnMaster> anyway going afk again, studying for test
22:43:10 <Slereah> Maybe he'll talk to us for reals :D
22:43:11 -!- ehird has set topic: TAKE THIS | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
22:43:16 <ehird> and force him to USE MESSAGES
22:43:23 -!- ehird has set topic: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
22:43:58 <AnMaster> and he can even edit access list it seems
22:44:07 <Judofyr> ehird: hm... I can't see when other talks in other channels, though :/
22:44:11 <ehird> fizzie has been an op since like 2003
22:44:13 <ehird> Judofyr: yes you can
22:44:17 <ehird> and comes on the console
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22:44:32 <fizzie> 00:44:20 [freenode] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- The KEEPTOPIC flag has been set for channel #esoteric.
22:44:32 -!- iivkee has set topic: +t? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA no this is what you do, type /j #C.
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22:44:43 <ehird> that's a chanserv thang
22:44:44 <fizzie> I have no idea what that does.
22:44:47 <ehird> Judofyr: it's just like colloquy
22:44:50 -!- ehird has set topic: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
22:44:52 <fizzie> Freenode is so confusing!
22:45:00 <ehird> /mode +t #esoteric :P
22:45:16 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o fizzie.
22:45:21 -!- fizzie has set channel mode: +t.
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22:45:28 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: -t.
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22:45:43 -!- VKEKWEKW has set topic: what it does is YOU CANT CHANGE THE FUCKING TOPIC YOU FUCKING CUNTS WASTING TIME ON LANGUAGES THAT HAVE 0 VALUE {}.
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22:45:48 <fizzie> Heh, modelocked to not have +t. Freenode, how silly you are.
22:46:00 <AnMaster> fizzie, keep topic means the topic will be restored after a netsplit or such
22:46:03 -!- Slereah has set topic: Woooo, ghost blowjob!.
22:46:14 <AnMaster> fizzie, do you have +s in flags?
22:46:16 -!- ehird has left (?).
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22:46:24 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +t.
22:46:25 <AnMaster> then you can change the modelock
22:46:40 -!- fizzie has set topic: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
22:46:40 <ehird> fizzie: add +t to the modelock, then.
22:46:44 <AnMaster> he uses the same ip all the time
22:46:48 <fizzie> Yes, that sounds like a good idea.
22:47:03 -!- fizzie has set channel mode: +b *!n=checker@c-68-55-8-210.hsd1.md.comcast.net.
22:47:09 <fizzie> Let's start with something that exact.
22:47:15 <fizzie> At least there's something to evade.
22:47:21 <ehird> fizzie: I like our new permanent topic.
22:47:31 <ehird> nooooooooooooooooooooo
22:47:37 <ehird> trollwatching is fun.
22:47:40 <ehird> he's used a different ident.
22:47:46 <ehird> hey troll, come troll #esoteric-SANS-FASCISM
22:48:17 <AnMaster> changing the topic is censorship
22:48:18 <fizzie> It's a fair chance he'll bother evading at least that particular ban.
22:49:24 <ehird> troll please come back with a different ident
22:49:26 <ehird> i miss you already.
22:49:42 <ehird> you scared him away
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22:50:05 <Slereah> Why hello, man who's ehird
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22:50:23 <ehird> won't need him for a while
22:50:25 <Slereah> Just ban him, he's not dedicated to entertain us.
22:50:39 <ehird> he is my new lover.
22:50:43 <fizzie> See, you got what you asked for. And it was even a different IP.
22:50:54 <ehird> he's so dedicated<333
22:51:10 <AnMaster> it is way out of my scrollback by now
22:51:12 <Judofyr> I got 4-5 WEP-encrypted networks ATM
22:51:17 <ehird> AnMaster: he came in and asked if anyone was ther
22:51:23 <ehird> he changed the topic to tell us to get laid
22:51:29 <ehird> then he started doing this, basically.
22:51:37 <AnMaster> ehird, wonder why he started doing that
22:51:42 <ehird> AnMaster: he wants us to use real languages, like C and Perl, apparently
22:51:50 <ehird> and wants us to change our hobby to 'getting laid'
22:51:57 <ehird> whereas he's content himself with 'trolling IRC channels'
22:52:04 <AnMaster> ehird, well we do use such languages, to write interpreters in
22:52:14 <ehird> ais523 already said that,
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22:53:47 <fizzie> I can understand the "you should use real languages" thing, but he/she seems so uncommonly... intense about it.
22:54:36 <ehird> AnMaster: from #chess
22:54:41 <ehird> ais523 invited him to troll watch
22:54:53 <ehird> fizzie: he desperately cares that we are all laid
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22:55:34 <Slereah> Well, mister troll, send me a picture and I'll see if I can give you some loving
22:55:50 <AnMaster> hm, if I pull this lever on the office chair I'm in I do tilt backwards, so I guess that means that I'm almost lying back, thus "getting laid"
22:56:16 <ehird> troll, let's have sex. then we'll -both- lose our virginity!
22:56:25 <AnMaster> ehird, thanks, I prefer those jokes
22:56:43 <Slereah> ehird : Hey, we can share him.
22:56:49 <Slereah> Are you more of a top or a bottom?
23:02:02 <fizzie> I would assume trolling would be more "fun" somewhere where people would take it more seriously. Trolling esoteric language enthusiasts about their tastes in programming languages is like trying to annoy a duck by pouring water on it (i.e. you need to do it a whole lot).
23:02:28 <Slereah> He does not have the dedication or strength of a nigra.
23:02:42 <ehird> i think Slereah is actually a troll
23:03:18 <Slereah> Sure, I may talk about gay sex.
23:03:26 <Slereah> But only for the eyes of augur.
23:03:29 <AnMaster> fizzie, you verified that scientifically? About the duck I mean.
23:04:40 <ehird> Judofyr: ITYM sex in the city space shuttle
23:05:01 <ehird> for the hopeless outsiders: http://hackety.org/2007/08/10/myCompleteListOfSubstitutePhrasesForTheActWeNowKnowToBeMonkeypatching.html
23:05:02 <fizzie> Actually I spent a whole lot of time to think of a better simile, with no luck; had to go with the "like water off a duck's back" idiom.
23:05:09 <AnMaster> ehird, huh, what is a "city space shuttle"?
23:05:19 <ehird> AnMaster: I think it parses as ((sex in the city) space shuttle)
23:05:31 <AnMaster> ehird, that doesn't make much sense
23:05:42 <Judofyr> more like, Attempting To Exercise Just A Fraction Of The Lawlessness And Lack Of Discipline Which We All First Learned From Why The Lucky Stiff
23:05:42 <ehird> _why doesn't make much sense
23:05:53 <AnMaster> ehird, unless "sex in the city" was a name or such.
23:06:45 <AnMaster> hm googling seems to indicate it is a movie or something such, so ok, I guess that parsing would make sense then
23:06:57 <Judofyr> still, I think _why is a genius!
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23:07:15 <fizzie> (Curiously in Finnish it's "kuin vesi hanhen selästä", lit. "like water off a geese's back"; I'm not sure why they've used a bit different waterfowl there.)
23:07:51 <ehird> typography is annoying
23:07:59 * oerjan wonders if this means the same as norwegian "som vann på gåsa" (also goose)
23:08:26 <fizzie> oerjan: Like water off a duck's back; yes, I think it's the same thing.
23:08:34 <AnMaster> fizzie, well that exists in Swedish too, except it uses goose instead
23:08:42 <AnMaster> "som att hälla vatten på en gås"
23:09:04 <fizzie> The Nordic countries seem all to be very goose-friendly.
23:09:20 <fizzie> It's a duck in English.
23:09:20 <AnMaster> doesn't something similar exists for there
23:09:37 <oerjan> no, we just have intensive knowledge in how to torture geese, and know that water doesn't work
23:09:59 <AnMaster> fizzie, that depends on what it is in Denmark and on Iceland
23:10:25 <oerjan> Judofyr: already mentioned
23:10:26 <AnMaster> Judofyr, that is what oerjan said
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23:11:10 <oerjan> danish: "som at slå vand på en gås"
23:11:35 <AnMaster> oerjan, ok, then geese is in clear majority even if Icelandic (sp?) use something else
23:12:16 <AnMaster> maybe geese were more common here? And ducks more common in UK?
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23:12:48 <oerjan> we are just a giant petroleum platform in the north sea, with a giant hedge fund
23:13:20 <AnMaster> oerjan, wait what, I visted Oslo this summer, looked at Fram and such things...
23:13:31 <fizzie> It's done with mirrors, I guess.
23:13:58 <oerjan> that's our park area, it's inside the platform
23:14:15 <AnMaster> fizzie, must be a lot of mirrors then, because I traveled by train from Sweden to Olso, and we seemed to travel for several hours through wilderness
23:14:25 <AnMaster> I guess they did it when passing through one of the mirrors
23:14:54 <fizzie> Yes, then they run the train in a circle and use their anti-gravity thingamajicks to keep you from noticing.
23:15:04 <AnMaster> you know, like just a km or 2 on the edge of Sweden, then through a long tunnel, and somehow using mirrors to make it not look like the tunnel was that long
23:15:07 <fizzie> It's the simplest way!
23:15:17 <oerjan> AnMaster: the wilderness is just CGI
23:15:18 <AnMaster> fizzie, you still need a tiny strip of land there
23:15:34 <AnMaster> oerjan, well it can't be before the first tunnel I think
23:15:50 <AnMaster> so I'd say there is a tiny strip of real norway there
23:16:00 <fizzie> They do have a "wild goose chase" in English; I'm not sure we have an equivalent one here.
23:16:00 <ehird> norway -does- -not- -exist-
23:16:19 <oerjan> um the train windows are actually plasma screens
23:16:34 <AnMaster> oerjan, oh? really? They put them up during the travel then?
23:16:44 <AnMaster> or somehow faked the view when inside Sweden?
23:16:56 <oerjan> they're just programmed to show a camera view while in sweden
23:17:07 <fizzie> AnMaster: "a lengthy or useless pursuit or task whose execution requires inordinate resources and circuitous execution" is the wikipediaic definition.
23:18:11 <fizzie> And actually the interwebs tell me the Vietnamese water-duck idion is literally "like pouring water on a duck's head", instead of back. Their methods for animal torture are obviously different.
23:19:17 <AnMaster> fizzie, we don't specify a part in Sweden
23:19:23 <AnMaster> we just talk about the duck in generic
23:19:37 <fizzie> AnMaster: At the bottom of http://www.cjvlang.com/Birds/duck4.html
23:19:42 <AnMaster> same for that Norwegian phrase oerjan used.
23:20:04 <fizzie> AnMaster: The Finnish variant mentions the back, like the English one.
23:20:15 <oerjan> and the danish doesn't either
23:20:29 * oerjan fails at guessing how to find the icelandic equivalent
23:23:55 <oerjan> ah, "að kasta vatni á gæs"
23:25:14 <fizzie> That's not in wiktionary's "Icelandic idioms / similes" lists, but those aren't very long anyway. Sounds goose-ish, anyway.
23:25:40 <oerjan> well i started by translating water and goose with wiktionary
23:25:47 <oerjan> then googled the combination
23:28:48 <oerjan> http://www.ms.is/Islenska/Fernuflug/Fernuflug-II/ordtok/ has it
23:29:42 <oerjan> skvette is the norwegian verb too
23:30:50 <oerjan> oklosol: feeling particularly bright today?
23:30:53 <fizzie> I shouldn't be too surprised if they had something more common with a vaguely similar meaning; they are such purists. Well, maybe they don't mind idioms so much.
23:31:16 <oerjan> those are all good icelandic words
23:31:34 <AnMaster> oerjan, Swedish has skvätta, which is close
23:31:47 <oerjan> (stökkva instead of skvetta was also mentioned)
23:34:20 <AnMaster> they son't just use -son style names, they use -dóttir too
23:36:15 <oerjan> moreover, they don't inherit them
23:37:14 <oerjan> i've heard/read this weird story about an icelandic woman who moved to swedish but was allowed to keep her -dóttir name
23:37:25 <oerjan> the problem occured when she got a son...
23:37:41 <AnMaster> but you can keep your name when you move
23:37:55 <AnMaster> I can't imagine it not being the case
23:38:00 <oerjan> yes. as i said the problem happened when she got a son.
23:38:33 <oerjan> and the government insisted he had to have her surname
23:38:42 <AnMaster> oerjan, what happened in the end?
23:39:04 <oerjan> i don't remember, it may be a fake anecdote for all i know
23:39:26 <AnMaster> oerjan, it may be real, sounds like usual Swedish gov
23:39:41 <AnMaster> incompetent if you want to put it nicely
23:40:15 <oerjan> the nothing is possible unless there is a rule allowing it kind, i assume
23:40:36 <ehird> AnMaster: can't be more incompetent than the uk
23:40:54 <AnMaster> ehird, I think around the same level probably
23:41:00 <oerjan> i expect that's global, at least in those countries that _have_ rule by law
23:41:07 <ehird> AnMaster: almost impossible
23:41:11 <ehird> do you guys have cctv everywhere?
23:41:56 <AnMaster> ehird, no but we have the FRA law and the IPRED law, though those met a storm of protests in media so the gov is finally starting to retreat
23:42:21 <ehird> ah, intellectual property.
23:42:31 <ehird> AnMaster: what about a national, required ID card scheme?
23:42:49 <ehird> AnMaster: a required government-assigned identification card for every citizen
23:42:56 <ehird> "fascism" is an understatement
23:42:59 <AnMaster> ehird, that you have to carry on you!?
23:43:08 <ehird> the gov is pushing it for 2012
23:43:10 <AnMaster> ehird, how the heck would that work for child?
23:43:30 <oerjan> AnMaster: they just tattoo it on, duh
23:43:31 <ehird> AnMaster: i'm not sure it applies to minors
23:43:38 <ehird> AnMaster: but, delegated to the parent
23:44:01 <AnMaster> ehird, well no we don't have that, not yet at least
23:44:10 <fizzie> Maybe they could stick an implant in, that'd be the neat.
23:44:13 <ehird> proposal: the id card is chip-implanted into their brains
23:44:23 <ehird> it allows for easy termination of dissenting citizens!
23:44:54 <AnMaster> ehird, you know this sounds like 1984 somehow
23:45:09 <ehird> It _is_ an instruction manual, right? :-)
23:45:30 <ehird> AnMaster: we also require ISPs to censor the internet
23:45:55 <fizzie> There is a crazy crank Finnish page about how the current Finnish ID card (which has a chip in it for RSA signatures or some-such, but is in no means obligatory) is a tool of the devil, the mark of the beast.
23:46:16 <fizzie> It's at http://www.varo666siru.net/ and has some English and Swedish content too.
23:46:25 <AnMaster> ehird, I think the gov makes our ISPs block child porn sites, optional though, but with a loaded gun pointed at those who disagree
23:46:51 <ehird> AnMaster: The centralized UK provider that handles the block blocked this page recently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer [you might not want to click]
23:47:02 <ehird> there was a load of hoohah about it recently
23:47:07 <fizzie> "When a person has this chip in them, they can be located in any part of the world and by a press of a button, be activated! This chip is microscopically small; it is of the size of the tip of an ordinary syringe needle."
23:47:11 <ehird> in that it's not actually illegal
23:47:32 <ehird> AnMaster: the album cover.
23:47:44 <AnMaster> ehird, never heard of it, *loads page with tor*
23:47:47 <ehird> [NSFW, NMS (Not Mind Safe)]
23:48:17 <fizzie> "The Bible says that at some point this ”biochip” will be offered to all people. It is better to die than to receive a mark that makes a human being a robot."
23:48:49 <ehird> fizzie: where is this chip put?
23:49:47 <AnMaster> fizzie, sounds like a mild version of time cube
23:49:53 <fizzie> "Under the skin." And the current chip in the ID card is a "prototype" for it.
23:49:59 <AnMaster> oh damn, now I got eh... started...
23:50:17 <ehird> fizzie: Ah. So it doesn't actually exist. AnMaster: Me? :P
23:50:36 <fizzie> ehird: Oh, no, it already exists, it's just not yet forcibly installed in everyone.
23:50:44 <fizzie> "Today at least 6,000 people in Sweden have taken that mark and they are being followed all the time.Their location can be displayed on a TV screen any time."
23:50:51 <fizzie> (I'm not sure what Sweden has to do with this.)
23:50:53 <ehird> fizzie: I mean, an under-the-skin chip exists?
23:51:15 <fizzie> Yes. It's a CIA project. Or something.
23:51:21 <fizzie> It's a bit confusing, to tell the truth.
23:51:28 <ehird> Ah. So it doesn't actually exist.
23:51:29 <AnMaster> fizzie, how is it related to 9/11?
23:52:03 <oerjan> under-the-skin chips probably exist, for medical uses
23:52:23 <fizzie> "Manipulated by the chip, one person became like a Nazi of former times, a superman bubbling over with zeal. When the stimulus was further slightly increased, everything was over."
23:53:10 <fizzie> Anyway, this text was from a "an abridged version of a 3-hour speech of Dr. Colin Sanders, D. Sc. (Tech), USA"; and that site is collecting all kinds of stuff that says "micro-chip" in it as "evidence" that the Finnish government is planning some dastardly thing like this too.
23:53:45 <ehird> On December 20, 2007, Scorpions played at a concert for the elite of Russia’s security forces in the Kremlin. The concert celebrated the 90th anniversary of the founding of the Cheka - predecessor of the KGB. Members of the audience included President Vladimir Putin.
23:53:51 <ehird> -- about the band with the censored colour
23:53:55 <oerjan> if you believe literally in Revelation then you'd have to believe something like that
23:54:11 <ehird> oerjan: if you literally believe in any part of the bible you have to be a crackpot by obligation...
23:54:46 <oerjan> oh there are probably sections that are literally true
23:54:59 <oerjan> maybe not a whole book though
23:55:12 <ehird> oerjan: name one :P
23:55:21 <fizzie> Some parts of that page make me think it's parody, though. (My translation this time) "There are also rumours of so-called blue tooth, that would be used in the EU area [for passport/identification/etc]" which sounds too much like a joke, given... well, you know, bluetooth.
23:55:45 <ehird> i bet the bears mauling the teenagers who called the guy baldie is true
23:55:48 <ehird> it's too good not to be
23:55:56 <ehird> fizzie: that's not much of a stretch for a crackpot
23:56:02 <oerjan> ehird: i didn't say i could say which are true.
23:56:54 * oerjan used that story to make a Jehovah's Witness give up on him once, ihrc
23:57:22 <fizzie> The basic gist seems to be that all kinds of (medical or other) implants make it possible to control (via satellites!!1) you like a robot.
23:58:17 <fizzie> (Gene-tweaked grain is also somehow related.)
23:58:30 <ehird> i want a jehovah's witness to bother m
23:58:37 <ehird> I'd come out with The Origin of the Species
23:58:43 <ehird> and ask if I could help them
23:59:18 <fizzie> We used to get them semi-regularly (not more than something like once/year, though) in the university student village.