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00:07:49 <ehird> :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :```@`|ii!H
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00:09:43 <ehird> note: infinite loops will lock it up
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00:10:54 <ehird> ````si`k``s.H``s.e``s.l``s.l``s.o``s. ``s.w``s.o``s.r``s.l``s.d``s.!``sri``si``si``si``si``si``si``si``si`ki
00:11:21 <ehird> ```d.v```s``si`kv``si`k`d`..`.c`.s`.``.``.s`.``.`v``s``sc.```s``sc.```s``sc.d``s``sc..``s``sc.v``s``sc.```s``sc.```s``sc.```s``sc.s``s``sc.```s``sc.```s``sc.s``s``sc.i``s``sc.```s``sc.k``s``sc.v``s``sc.```s``sc.```s``sc.s``s``sc.i``s``sc.```s``sc.k``s``sc.```s``sc.d``s``sc.```s``sc..``s``sc..``s``sc.```s``sc..``s``sc.c``s``sc.```s``sc..``s``sc.s``s``sc.```s``sc..``s``sc.```s``sc.```s``sc..``s``sc.```s``sc.```s``sc..``s``sc.s``s``sc.```s``sc..``s``sc.```s
00:11:21 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
00:11:24 <ehird> ``sc.```s``sc..``s``sc.```s``sc.vv
00:11:47 <oklopol> i don't think it's "witty", i think your primary asset is you look at the big picture; of course that doesn't always apply, but from thinking up examples of the kind of behavior (which i'm not going to share), that one sounds the closest.
00:11:57 <ehird> oklopol: wow, that's some delayed reply
00:12:01 <oklopol> *the kind of behavior i mean
00:12:24 <oklopol> my brain works slowly and concurrently.
00:12:41 <ehird> ``r```si`k``s``s`kk`si``s``si`k``s`k`s`k``sk``sr`k.*ir``si``si``si``si``si``si``si``si``si`k`ki
00:13:09 <lament> doesn't lambdabot have an unlambda plugin?
00:13:17 * ehird removes printf debugging
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00:13:39 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
00:13:53 <oerjan> lament: it didn't have an interpreter for that plugin to call last i checked
00:13:53 <ehird> don't do that then
00:14:04 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
00:14:12 <ehird> lament: how often do you start a line with
00:14:13 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
00:14:39 <oklopol> lament: all lambdabots esolang interps cause broken pipes ime.
00:14:41 <lament> `To be or not to be, that is the question' -- Shakespeare
00:14:42 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
00:14:52 <ehird> lament: don't use ``faggot quotes'' :-P
00:16:58 <ehird> ``ci`c`````@i`k|eii!abc
00:16:58 <lament> `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
00:16:59 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
00:17:06 <ehird> ```ci`c`````@i`k|eii!abc
00:17:28 <ehird> ``ci`cX + e makes programming unlambda a sinch.
00:17:33 <ehird> lament: you have to put an extra ` in front.
00:17:44 <ehird> it's to confuse people
00:17:47 <lament> so the first ` is not part of the unlambda program?
00:18:05 <ehird> ````ci`c`@|i!hello
00:18:15 <ehird> nothing but d is lazy
00:18:38 <ehird> i'm gonna add a time limmit
00:18:42 <ehird> so you can do infinite shtuffs
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00:21:10 <ehird> ``sii terminates in my interp
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00:22:05 <ehird> miscalculated the timeout
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00:22:59 <ehird> oerjan: link to your archive mirror?
00:23:36 <oerjan> oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/unlambda-mirror
00:25:04 <ehird> ````sii``si``s`k`d`r`.!`.l`.a`.i`.v`.i`.r`.t`. `.t`.s`.e`.'`.c`. `.,`.a`.d`.b`.m`.a`.l`.n.Ui
00:25:20 <ehird> Come to think of it, that'll generate enough output to excess flood in 10 seconds.
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00:25:29 <ehird> Stack space overflow: current size 8388608 bytes.
00:25:29 <ehird> Use `+RTS -Ksize' to increase it.
00:25:43 <ehird> So um hey guys :) :) :)
00:25:54 * ehird limits output to 2500 charz
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00:27:18 <ehird> ````sii``si``s`k`d`r`.!`.l`.a`.i`.v`.i`.r`.t`. `.t`.s`.e`.'`.c`. `.,`.a`.d`.b`.m`.a`.l`.n.Ui
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00:29:29 <ehird> ````sii``si``s`k`d`r`.!`.l`.a`.i`.v`.i`.r`.t`. `.t`.s`.e`.'`.c`. `.,`.a`.d`.b`.m`.a`.l`.n.Ui
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00:30:20 <ehird> ````sii``si``s`k`d`r`.!`.l`.a`.i`.v`.i`.r`.t`. `.t`.s`.e`.'`.c`. `.,`.a`.d`.b`.m`.a`.l`.n.Ui
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00:32:04 <ehird> ````sii``si``s`k`d`r`.!`.l`.a`.i`.v`.i`.r`.t`. `.t`.s`.e`.'`.c`. `.,`.a`.d`.b`.m`.a`.l`.n.Ui
00:32:23 <ehird> ah. I see the problem.
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00:32:56 <ehird> ````sii``si``s`k`d`r`.!`.l`.a`.i`.v`.i`.r`.t`. `.t`.s`.e`.'`.c`. `.,`.a`.d`.b`.m`.a`.l`.n.Ui
00:34:14 <lament> north love american man boy dog association?
00:34:14 <ehird> lament: program's fault.
00:34:16 <ehird> ````s``s``sii`ki`k.*``s``s`ks``s`k`s`ks``s``s`ks``s`k`s`kr``s`k`sikk`k``s`ksk
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00:34:41 <ehird> let's try that again
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00:35:03 <ehird> ````s``s``sii`ki`k.*``s``s`ks``s`k`s`ks``s``s`ks``s`k`s`kr``s`k`sikk`k``s`ksk
00:35:37 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
00:37:04 <ehird> * = continuation, ofc.
00:38:18 <ehird> it does one prog at a time
00:38:37 <lament> ``.``.`.`.`.`.`.`.`.`.i
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00:40:03 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
00:40:50 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:40:51 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:40:51 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:40:53 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:40:57 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:41:01 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:41:05 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:41:05 <ehird> ... and the result?
00:41:09 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Result: <terminated>
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00:41:31 <ehird> Tightening up output limits a bit.
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00:41:38 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:41:39 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:41:43 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:41:47 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:41:51 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Result: <terminated>
00:42:42 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:42:42 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:42:43 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:42:45 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:42:49 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:42:53 <unlambda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Result: <terminated>
00:43:03 <ehird> In this context, I think c is non-functional. You can put a continuation thingy in the middle of an expression, and it can "reach out" around it.
00:43:51 <ehird> Do you guys want me to leave this up overnight?
00:44:07 <ehird> oerjan: what was that a duh to
00:44:50 <ehird> Tough, you're getting it.
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00:45:34 <ehird> Fuck that, there's no cabal-install in ubuntu repos.
00:45:37 <ehird> Yer not getting it.
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03:06:12 <ski__> (lament : you called ?)
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07:10:09 <icefox> Have any of you guys played with the BF Joust Hill?
07:11:04 <icefox> Saw it on http://retrocode.blogspot.com/2009/02/bf-joust-hill.html and been messing around with it for a few hours and was looking for some more information
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07:53:31 <icefox> bsmntbombdood: has the code for any of the joust[0-9] been posted anywhere?
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09:22:20 <MizardX> I completely loose against joust6,joust12,woggle_050109_1,woggle_050109_2 and comex_241208_2... and completely win against everyone else... With completely, I mean 20-0 or 19-1.
09:22:26 <MizardX> comex_241208_2 because of time :P
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11:57:29 <KingOfKarlsruhe> i should send a SNUSP Hello World! program to http://www.roesler-ac.de/wolfram/hello.htm
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12:23:09 <icefox> MizardX: When I run my program against joust12 I get a -1. The only time I see -1 is when I write a program without matching brackets. Is there another case?
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14:34:21 <ehird> icefox: yes, the joust0-9 code has been posted
14:34:24 <ehird> I'll dig it up in a bit
14:34:25 <ehird> <Sgeo> My dad's taking the computer away, so bye all
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14:41:02 <ehird> icefox: http://pastie.org/382513.txt?key=bwmridu9i0kak8xgu2gycg
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15:22:04 <ehird> hg repo for a small one-file interpreter? ah, the overengineering stage :-)
15:23:09 <ehird> ... It occurs to me I'm sitting in #corewars and haven't ever played corewars.
15:24:10 <ehird> KingOfKarlsruhe: major changes? if so, wow
15:26:37 <AnMaster> wow that was one crazy bug, was using kate, had several files open, switched to another tab, used ctrl-f to find something, started typing, and the text ended up in the tab I was in before this one...
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15:47:43 <ehird> Google groups lets you subscribe to a usenet group via mail as daily digest & per-25 email digest, but not one-email-per-message.
15:47:59 <ehird> That's kind of silly. I want to use usenet groups like mailing lists.
15:50:17 <ais523> it used to have one-email-per-message, I think
15:50:27 <ehird> Why did they stop? Server load?
15:50:37 <ais523> could explain why emails via a.l.i seem to be delayed a day for me
15:50:59 <ehird> I'm sure some usenet provider offers mailing lists for newsgroups, but probably for $$$.
15:51:05 <ehird> (and they all suck compared to Google Groups...)
15:51:15 <ehird> paid ones are better than google groups
15:51:39 <ehird> ais523: ... I just realised. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.lang.intercal/topics
15:51:48 <ehird> There were only like 20 posts in 2008!
15:51:57 <ais523> it's a strange newsgroup
15:52:01 <ais523> people hardly ever post
15:52:05 <ais523> but it's known to have a lot of readers
15:52:10 <AnMaster> ehird, just use your own usenet client :)
15:52:15 <ais523> whenever people post "is this newsgroup dead" you get a lot of people saying no
15:52:29 <AnMaster> ais523, also I get lot of spam on a.l.i on the server I read it on
15:52:30 <ais523> it's effectively become the C-INTERCAL and CLC-INTERCAL new version announcement mailing list
15:52:30 <ehird> AnMaster: I use gmail for all mail. Newsgroups are just mailing lists run by dinosaurs.
15:52:38 <ais523> AnMaster: there's a lot of spam on a.l.i even on Google
15:52:45 <ais523> although I think they filter out some of it
15:52:57 <ais523> ehird: Usenet has the advantage of not being centralised
15:53:04 <ehird> ais523: yes, I'm just being flippant
15:53:13 <ehird> at least, I am if I remember what flippant means correctly.
15:53:26 <ehird> no, apparently not
15:53:33 * ehird feels his memory slipping
15:54:07 <ehird> but, yes, there's no reason to treat usenet differently from mailing lists bar binary groups
15:54:21 <ehird> and using binary groups is fundamentally different anyway
16:03:19 <AnMaster> I have a long list of items to find and a huge list of files to find it in. But I want to find all entries in the first list that are NOT in any of the files
16:03:40 <ais523> I think grep has an option to do that
16:04:01 <ais523> actually, that's the reverse of what grep does
16:04:07 <ais523> you can find files that don't contain an item
16:04:14 <ais523> but not items that aren't contained in a file
16:04:20 <ais523> although grep and for should do it between them
16:04:21 <AnMaster> well it is the latter that I need
16:05:11 <AnMaster> ais523, would be painfully slow because the list of files is too much to fit into cache at once
16:05:42 <ehird> grep -v inverts the pattern
16:05:44 <AnMaster> ehird, no... read what the question was
16:05:47 <ais523> ehird: nope, that's not what AnMaster's asking for
16:05:57 <ais523> he wants something like grep -q
16:06:03 <ais523> but with multiple different things to search for
16:06:13 <ehird> AnMaster: use fgrep
16:06:15 <ais523> so you could grep -q each of them individually, but that would be massively slow
16:06:17 <ehird> unless you really need a regex
16:06:30 <AnMaster> ehird, that doesn't give me a list of search terms not found in any of the files.
16:06:33 <ais523> hmm... it's only a few lines in Perl
16:06:39 <ais523> AnMaster: how many search terms are there?
16:06:48 <ehird> AnMaster: nor does it supply you with a pony
16:06:55 <ehird> get a supercomputer.
16:07:10 <ehird> unless you can wait like a week.
16:07:56 <ehird> I'm bringing the unlambda bot back because I want to.
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16:08:16 <ais523> for x in searchtermlist; do grep -q $x filelist || echo $x; done
16:08:20 <ehird> ````si`k``s.H``s.e``s.l``s.l``s.o``s. ``s.w``s.o``s.r``s.l``s.d``s.!``sri``si``si``si``si``si``si``si``si`ki
16:08:23 <ais523> but that's likely to be too slow
16:08:37 <AnMaster> maybe tokenising the data I want to grep and importing it into a sql database (I know all strings I want to search for a whole words) and then using some sort of sql search would be faster
16:08:43 <ais523> because it reads each file once for each search term
16:09:09 <ais523> AnMaster: if you're going that crazy, why not cat together all the files first, then just search in the resulting massive file?
16:09:23 <ehird> ```ci`c`r`.!`.d`.l`.r`.o`.w`. `.,`.o`.l`.l`.e`.Hi
16:09:50 <AnMaster> ais523, well maybe, though the sql one was (half) a joke...
16:09:50 <ais523> AnMaster: what do you mean by "whole word"
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16:10:04 <AnMaster> ais523, space, or other non-alphanumeric
16:10:06 <ais523> I think I might know how to do this in Perl, which is designed for that sort of thing
16:10:07 <unlambda> ****************************************************************************************** Result: <terminated>
16:10:17 <ais523> AnMaster: hmm... that'll be slower as you'd need to regex match to find word boundaries
16:10:21 <AnMaster> ais523, such as a ( after the word counts as delimiter.
16:10:24 <ais523> or do some other complicated thing
16:11:01 <AnMaster> ais523, in fact anything that can be a valid C delimiter around a C symbol
16:11:07 <ais523> how important are the delimiting semantics to you? would you be willing to compromise slightly to search faster?
16:11:10 <AnMaster> (such as a variable, function, macro name or so)
16:11:24 <AnMaster> yes I'm searching 1 GB of C source. Correct.
16:11:39 <ais523> just out of interest, what exactly are you trying to do?
16:12:09 <ehird> you probably don't need to do this
16:12:11 <AnMaster> ais523, find a list of symbols not used in a certain huge C source set
16:12:12 <ehird> in fact, almost certainly.
16:12:19 <ehird> AnMaster: what are you trying to achive
16:12:36 <ais523> hmm... maybe he wants to see which parts of a library he can remove, on the basis that nobody at all is using them
16:12:43 <ais523> and has copies of all the source anywhere that uses the library
16:12:47 <AnMaster> ais523, 1) library exporting lots of functions 2) application using it 3) some could go static, figure out which ones.
16:12:57 <ehird> talk about overengineering
16:13:02 <ehird> do you really need to do this?
16:13:08 <ais523> AnMaster: mightn't compiling it and using nm work?
16:13:18 <AnMaster> ais523, hm maybe... interesting idea
16:13:25 <ehird> you mean REALLY OBVIOUS idea?
16:13:28 <ehird> You didn't try that? Sheesh.
16:13:38 <AnMaster> then I could nm the application and diff the lists
16:13:48 <ehird> How did you think of that.
16:14:08 <ehird> That was sarcasm, Alanis
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16:14:43 <ehird> Interwebs meme. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironic_(song)
16:14:48 <ehird> (It's ironic because it's not ironic.)
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16:20:17 <AnMaster> now it would be nice to see which of those symbols are used in more than one file in the library, which is smaller (and the list is also smaller, just around 700 entries, on around 80 MB source code) so *tries to work out how to find out that*
16:21:23 <ehird> err, duh, that's ``civ
16:21:43 <ehird> the ``ci`c(EXPR) trick is really useful, though
16:22:01 <ehird> ````ci`c`@|i!hello
16:22:06 <AnMaster> fun GNU grep has an option "--mmap"
16:22:23 <ehird> is ```ci`c`@|i a well-known unlambda cat?
16:22:24 <ehird> I haven't seen it before
16:22:29 <ehird> I think all the others are much longer
16:22:37 <ehird> BTW, this is the haskell unlambda interp I wrote yesterday
16:22:46 <ehird> code was clean until I hooked it up to IRC (custom stdin/stdout...)
16:22:49 <ehird> now it's ugly, but meh.
16:22:51 <ais523> that's a pretty clever cat
16:23:01 <ais523> what's the shortest sii-based one?
16:23:14 <ehird> it's hard to loop in unlambda without c
16:23:17 <ehird> with c, it's trivial
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16:23:30 <ais523> hmm... what do @ and | do again?
16:23:40 <ehird> `@X reads a char, if at EOF, does `Xv
16:23:43 <ehird> otherwise, does `Xi
16:24:01 <ehird> where Y = the current character
16:24:22 <ehird> but yeah, for looping just do (``ci`cX), where X is v whenever you want to stop, and the function you want when you want to continue
16:24:26 <ehird> then you can just apply that as you want
16:24:32 <ehird> kind of cheating, but useful
16:24:49 <ais523> that's not cheating, except that it doesn't let you pass information out
16:24:55 <ais523> without messing with a third continuation
16:25:17 <ehird> you need an extra `
16:25:22 <ehird> ` is just the prefix, to confuse people
16:25:33 <ehird> ais523: what i mean is, continuations for control flow feels like cheatin
16:25:34 <ais523> and it makes discussing unlambda pretty tricky
16:25:45 <ehird> since it's not as "pure" and hard as ski
16:25:54 <ais523> ehird: Unlambda never was pure
16:26:03 <ehird> still doesn't mean you shouldn't aim for purity
16:26:18 <ehird> i love that program
16:26:28 <ehird> it can be shortened though
16:26:29 <AnMaster> wow, find lib -name '*.c' -exec grep -Fof non-shared_common.txt {} + | awk -F: '{print $2" "$1}' | sort -n | uniq | cut -d' ' -f1 | uniq -d
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16:26:42 <ehird> for one, it doesn't actually use any properties of d
16:26:52 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
16:27:05 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
16:27:08 <AnMaster> then I use comm to find what entries it didn't find
16:27:16 <ais523> Slereah2: why do you dislike it so much?
16:28:06 <ais523> Slereah2: being eager lets you mess about with continuations, though
16:28:13 <AnMaster> ehird, can you make it not output as many lines?
16:28:15 <ehird> you can have continuations in a lazy language, ais523
16:28:25 <Slereah2> ais523 : I still don't know what continuation is, though
16:28:25 <ais523> ehird: I know, but you can't mess about with them as easily
16:28:27 <ehird> AnMaster: because it's useful to see more output on most programs
16:28:31 <Slereah2> (Don't try to explain, no matter)
16:28:45 <ais523> if you've never come across continuations, your programming experience is incomplete
16:28:55 <ais523> AnMaster: I don't see what I'm meant to say in reply
16:28:58 <Slereah2> ais523 : I'm a scientist damn it!
16:29:01 <ais523> it looks like a typical UNIX piped command
16:29:05 <Slereah2> All we do is crunch numbers :o
16:29:07 <AnMaster> ais523, I just thought that line was rather cleaver
16:29:41 <ehird> it wasn't cleaver, it wasn't clever either
16:29:43 <ehird> what was clever about it
16:29:45 <ais523> ````sii```sii`@|!hello
16:29:47 <ehird> it was a typical boring unix pipeline
16:30:09 <ais523> this reminds me of a time when I had to do something at University
16:30:16 <AnMaster> ehird, no it was using a rather interesting way of using uniq
16:30:18 <ais523> the lecturer had given us a C program to do some text processing task
16:30:22 <ehird> AnMaster: maybe if you've never used uniq.
16:30:25 <ais523> and it wasn't a very interesting or efficient one
16:30:39 <ais523> so I set it running, and wrote a UNIX pipeline that did the same thing while it was running
16:30:39 <AnMaster> ehird, I have used it, but yeah I know you hate me, just say that instead.
16:30:42 <ais523> and the pipeline finished first
16:31:04 <AnMaster> ais523, did you tell the teacher about that?
16:31:11 <ais523> yes, but I don't think he was listening
16:31:14 <ehird> WOW I DON'T THINK YOUR PIPELINE IS CLEVER I MUST HATE YOU ;________;
16:31:31 <AnMaster> ehird, no, I know you hate me from before :P
16:32:02 <ehird> I still think that should be `d(interpreter source code to produce continuation)
16:33:05 * ehird considers adding "load program from URL"
16:33:11 <ehird> since UL programs tend to be so big
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16:40:45 <AnMaster> anyway the custom unclean IO wouldn't be an issue really? Couldn't you keep it in a separate file?
16:40:57 <ehird> That's not what I meant.
16:41:04 <ehird> I meant that it was hardcoded to use stdin/stdout.
16:41:13 <ehird> So I had to make that customizable, and the code got ugly because I just hacked it in.
16:42:24 <AnMaster> wouldn't it just require replacing the IO monad with some other custom monad?
16:42:41 <AnMaster> I mean in the main interpreter
16:42:46 <ehird> It'd really be nice if you didn't pretend to know Haskell.
16:43:17 <AnMaster> I just notices how easy this would be in an OO language
16:43:42 <ehird> It'd be easy in Haskell except I did it in 3 seconds because I was lazy, and OOP is braindead.
16:43:50 <ehird> But do feel free to keep trolling...
16:44:15 <AnMaster> ehird, well when lament did it you didn't act that way
16:44:25 <ehird> No, I did, I said he was a troll.
16:44:33 <ehird> But his trolling is funnier/less annoying.
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17:11:53 * ehird resumes copyright infringement process.
17:12:11 <oklopol> well enough irc for today.
17:12:12 <ehird> some people would call it
17:12:15 <ehird> unpausing a torrent
17:12:18 <ais523> ehird: if you're going to infringe copyright, don't tell me
17:12:27 <ais523> because I'd have to try to stop you somehow, and I have no idea how
17:12:28 <ehird> does it hurt your ears or something
17:12:35 <ehird> try hacking into my router
17:12:39 <ehird> the admin password is on default
17:12:48 <ehird> you could crack the wep key easily
17:13:06 <ais523> ehird: that would require being in range of your router
17:13:16 <ais523> which would imply deducing where you live
17:13:21 <ehird> welp, good citizens must make sacrifices.
17:13:21 <ais523> and that would be really creepy
17:14:53 <ehird> I think google knows my address to some degree of accuracy
17:15:06 <ehird> whois contains my full address, obviously
17:15:21 <ais523> generally speaking it just tells you the ISPs address, doesn't it?
17:15:35 <ehird> additionally, has the landline phone number
17:15:42 <ehird> there you go, now you can stop me
17:16:28 <ais523> oh, I have to whois eso-std.org, rather than your real IP
17:17:19 <ehird> <Torrent> 105 days remaining
17:17:30 <ais523> that's a ridiculously big torrent
17:17:33 <ais523> or a rather slow connection
17:17:45 <ehird> ais523: no, just a ridiculously unpeered one. on the bright side, you have a lot of time to stop me
17:18:05 <ehird> grr, uploading at 250KB/second and downloading at 10...
17:18:21 <ehird> i'm pretty sure they shape traffic
17:18:24 <ais523> ehird: the problem may not be unpeering, but the levels at which peering's happening
17:18:35 <ehird> well, yes, it's improved now
17:18:39 <ehird> now it'll only take 2 days ...
17:19:10 <ehird> did you know that finding dual layer dvd-rs is really hard?
17:19:18 <ehird> well. in a small town.
17:22:35 <ais523> it's big enough for me to have heard of it
17:22:39 <ais523> although not to remember much about it
17:23:07 <ehird> "Hexham is the administrative centre for the Tynedale district"
17:23:44 <ais523> IIRC it was quite important historically
17:24:09 <ehird> It's rather boring nowadays.
17:24:45 <ais523> hexhamshire used to be a county
17:24:56 <ehird> That's one silly name.
17:25:02 <ais523> although it was downgraded in 1572
17:25:20 <ais523> apparently Henry I created it to annoy the Bishop of Durham
17:28:27 <ais523> hmm... seems Microsoft are re-changing UAC to need a UAC prompt to change the UAC settings
17:28:37 <ais523> that can only be a good thing, the previous version was like having a world-writable /etc/sudoers
17:30:54 <ehird> ais523: I think the idea was to protect users from themselves.
17:31:15 <ais523> the problem was that malware could just get root by turning off the setting that said it couldn't
17:31:43 <ais523> which should have been pretty obviou
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17:34:42 <oerjan> as opposed to the world government
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17:37:13 <ehird> they come and they go
17:37:15 <ais523> hmm... is there a standard GNU/BSD shell command for doing date math?
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17:55:51 <ehird> Gmail should offer their search as an api
17:55:57 <ehird> that'd be fun for doing statistics
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18:11:05 <ais523> bleh, wikidot.com not only needs JS to register a user, it doesn't accept nested comments in emails
18:11:25 <AnMaster> ehird, didn't they use to do that?
18:11:34 <ehird> I said gmail, not google
18:11:36 <AnMaster> I still have a google api key around from then
18:11:50 <ehird> ais523: former sucks, latter is... understandable :P
18:12:22 <ehird> i wouldn't call it a bug.
18:12:54 <ehird> i bet the same rfc also says something like all applications must display a pony on startup.
18:13:29 <ehird> one day you'll get a sense of humour
18:13:39 <oerjan> <ehird> I still think that should be `d(interpreter source code to produce continuation)
18:13:42 <AnMaster> ehird, well your joke simply wasn't fun
18:13:51 <ehird> AnMaster: so ignore it
18:14:01 <oerjan> your interpreter doesn't reify continuations, alas
18:14:48 <oerjan> ehird: it would be fairly easy if you made continuations a datatype similar to UL, but then they wouldn't be functions
18:15:12 <ehird> except in underload
18:15:16 <ehird> obligate interps to be written in unl
18:16:11 <oerjan> hm maybe you could pass continuations as a tuple of a function and a source string
18:16:39 <ais523> why not make continuations into actual code?
18:16:47 <ais523> a continuation is just a lambda which quits the program once it finishes running
18:16:49 * AnMaster should make a language that can be used on irc except there is no way to find out where input is supposed to begin, since it would use every symbol. Wait.... That would be unefunge + finding a new use for the 2D or higher instructions
18:16:54 <ais523> and that's expressible in unlambda
18:16:58 <oerjan> ais523: his problem is how to print them
18:17:06 <ehird> it was a joke about d
18:18:03 <oerjan> sorry, since i made that unlambda continuation notation i've been thinking someone should make an interpreter actually using it...
18:18:20 <AnMaster> oerjan, Today I refrain from making any comments about whatever it is IWC is about today.
18:19:14 <AnMaster> ehird, no, read the line again.
18:19:26 <ehird> you mentioned what it was about, thus mentioning whati t was about
18:19:35 <oerjan> ehird: no, that's a metacomment
18:19:50 <AnMaster> yes I did before sending the line
18:20:02 <ehird> also, I've thought of a way to compile unlambda fast.
18:20:20 <oerjan> he mentioned mentioning, but he didn't mention :D
18:20:23 <AnMaster> if I had said "Today I refrain from making any comment about IWC" it would have been what you said
18:20:51 <ehird> "Today I refrain from making any comments about whatever it is IWC is about today." "whatever it is IWC is about today."
18:21:02 <ehird> You referenced it, which counted as a comment about it, in the wider scope.
18:21:11 <ehird> You're wrong, this is tedious, conversation over.
18:21:12 <AnMaster> that means what the comic strip contains
18:21:13 <ais523> ehird: the fastest way to compile Unlambda is to bundle it with an interpreter
18:21:20 <ais523> presumably, you mean make the resulting program fast?
18:22:03 <ehird> AnMaster: Step 1. Learn English Step 2. Understand what your sentence actually says Step 3. Realise you're wrong Step 4. Don't mention it because this s boring
18:22:13 <AnMaster> ehird, well what does ais523 and oerjan think?
18:22:18 <oerjan> hm it may be ambiguous
18:22:20 <ehird> You forgot step 4.
18:22:26 <ais523> AnMaster: I haven't been paying any thought to it
18:22:29 <ais523> and probably won't start
18:22:31 <oerjan> depends on how you parse it
18:22:36 <AnMaster> oerjan, maybe. but you could interpret it the way I did
18:23:22 <AnMaster> oerjan, so if ehird just for once could admit that...
18:23:36 <ehird> AnMaster: you say admit like it's impossible you're wrong
18:23:50 <ehird> funny, I recall you say that about me all the time
18:24:01 <AnMaster> ehird, in this case I'm quite sure that I'm right or the parsing is ambiguous.
18:24:10 <AnMaster> this is after analysing the line carefully.
18:24:32 <ehird> oerjan: gee, I only said that minutes ago when I told him not to mention it.
18:24:38 <AnMaster> oerjan, well I agree with that
18:24:47 <ehird> he's very attentive.
18:25:57 <AnMaster> I just realised there is no way to get past your stubbornness, that is all :)
18:26:44 <oerjan> ehird: it is not hypocritical just because he is stubborn too
18:27:26 <oerjan> in fact you have to to be bickering as you do
18:27:30 <ehird> sure it is, the previous sentence constituted "you're so stubborn", except with the Intellectual Booster(TM) In The Right SarcastiSmiley addons.
18:28:32 <ehird> I wonder if he'll go away if I annoy him enough.
18:29:24 <AnMaster> also at least I don't go into a part/join cycle like you do whenever ais523 agree with whoever disagrees with you.
18:29:28 <ehird> I think you underestimate how much I can annoy people.
18:29:48 <AnMaster> seen that immature behaviour a few times from you.
18:29:57 * ais523 agrees with AnMaster to see what happens
18:30:12 <AnMaster> ais523, probably won't work now, just to prove I'm wrong
18:30:23 <ehird> i love how you think I care <3
18:30:28 <AnMaster> ais523, and it usually takes at least a few screens of arguing before he does it.
18:31:19 <ehird> it must suck not to know how stupid you are.
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18:31:53 <AnMaster> Well, I'm afraid I really can't understand how that feels for you ehird.
18:32:04 <AnMaster> since I never been in that situation.
18:32:27 <ehird> are you sitting there in your chair, giving yourself a high-five for your razor sharp wit
18:32:36 <ehird> i agree, that wit is pretty sharp. shame it's not funny
18:32:41 <oerjan> my virus scanner found something other than a cookie :(
18:32:43 <AnMaster> ehird, in fact, no. I was reading some scheme source code.
18:33:20 <ehird> AnMaster: come now, you should read something more to your ability, say a book of nursery rhymes. I can do this all day, btw.
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18:33:52 <ais523> also, my virus scanner's never found anything, I only installed it because the University rules said I had to have one
18:34:06 <oerjan> "Trojan horse Generic12.BJXH" it says
18:34:11 <AnMaster> ehird, well so can I, alas we are in different timezones, so that means I have to give up an hour before you. + it is already dark outside since a few hours.
18:34:19 <oerjan> in chatham's puzzle connection?
18:34:44 <oerjan> ok it's not a game i've run recently
18:34:59 <ais523> Generic12 is a pretty weird name for a trojan...
18:35:20 <oerjan> downloaded it a long time ago, but the scanner hasn't found anything before. might be a false positive.
18:35:38 <oerjan> otherwise, the file must have been changed by something else
18:36:26 <oerjan> the virus scanner is still running, we'll see if it finds it anywhere else
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18:36:41 <AnMaster> oerjan, or it wasn't detected until recently
18:39:46 <oerjan> however i've definitely played that puzzle before
18:40:03 <oerjan> so if there were a trojan why hasn't it spread
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18:45:57 <ais523> oerjan: there would be no point for it to spread to other programs on your computer
18:46:00 <ais523> as you're already infected
18:46:05 <ais523> besides, trojans don't spread, by definition
18:46:54 <ais523> not sure what it's doing there, if anything
18:47:36 <oerjan> i guess i'll download the collection again, there are some new puzzles
18:47:38 <ais523> Google's never heard of it, which is strange
18:47:55 <unlambda> * ** *** **** ***** ****** ******* ******** ********* ********** *********** ************ ************* ************** *************** **************** ***************** ****************** ******************* ******************** ********************* ********************** *********************** ************************ *******
18:47:55 <unlambda> ****************** ************************** *************************** **************************** ***************************** ****************************** ******************************* ******************************** ********************************* ********************************** **********************************
18:47:56 <unlambda> * ************************************ ************************************* ************************************** *************************************** **************************************** ***************************************** ****************************************** ******************************************* ******
18:47:57 <unlambda> ************************************** ********************************************* ********************************************** *********************************************** ************************************************ ************************************************* ************************************************** **
18:48:01 <unlambda> ************************************************* **************************************************** ***************************************************** ****************************************************** ******************************************************* ******************************************************** *******
18:48:05 <unlambda> ************************************************** *************************************** Result: <terminated>
18:48:23 <unlambda> ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
18:48:23 <unlambda> ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
18:48:24 <unlambda> ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
18:48:25 <unlambda> ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
18:48:29 <unlambda> ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
18:48:33 <unlambda> ****************************************************************************************** Result: <terminated>
18:48:53 <unlambda> ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
18:48:54 <unlambda> ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
18:48:55 <unlambda> ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
18:48:56 <unlambda> ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
18:49:00 <unlambda> ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
18:49:04 <unlambda> ****************************************************************************************** Result: <terminated>
18:52:26 <unlambda> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
18:52:48 <ais523> ehird: I suggest you reduce the maximum amount of output somewhat
18:53:05 <ehird> ais523: nah, a lot of programs only start giving interesting output after a bit
18:53:09 <ehird> plus, it's flushed out quickly
18:53:15 <ehird> Slereah2: it's just * * * *
18:53:19 <ehird> the number of spaces increase
18:53:24 <ais523> "only start giving interesting output after a bit"?
18:53:33 <ehird> like the counting programs
18:53:35 <ais523> only the first line of that's interesting, probably only the first half of the first line
18:53:38 <AnMaster> ais523, "outputs garbage at the start"
18:53:44 <ais523> as for counting programs, just use / rather than newline
18:53:51 <ehird> it looked nice in the irc display
18:53:56 <ehird> plus, you have /ignore, use it
18:54:08 <ais523> I may do, although not yet
18:54:08 <AnMaster> ehird, not really, was quite weird, and not at all well formatted
18:54:13 <ais523> my ignore tolerance is pretty high
18:54:20 <ehird> AnMaster: looked nice to me.
18:54:25 <AnMaster> each fills around 3 wrapped lines
18:54:26 <ehird> plus the code is nice
18:55:01 <ehird> ```.*`cd``@|`cd!hello world I am testing
18:55:02 <unlambda> *h*eh*leh*lleh*olleh* olleh*w olleh*ow olleh*row olleh*lrow olleh*dlrow olleh* dlrow olleh*I dlrow olleh* I dlrow olleh*a I dlrow olleh*ma I dlrow olleh* ma I dlrow olleh*t ma I dlrow olleh*et ma I dlrow olleh*set ma I dlrow olleh*tset ma I dlrow olleh*itset ma I dlrow olleh*nitset ma I dlrow olleh*gnitset ma I dlrow olleh*gnitset
18:55:14 <ehird> Cute and incomprehensible.
18:55:18 <AnMaster> ehird, there is this thing calling "running a program locally", should that not work there is also "joining another channel", to do that you do /join #esoteric-spam or whatever channel you want
18:55:41 <ehird> AnMaster: complain about fungot too, if you're so upset by it ignore it
18:55:42 <fungot> ehird: uninterned symbols, pairs, procedures, and so am i to know if it's his older thing or something? random numbers, perhaps.
18:56:13 <AnMaster> ^bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[.]
18:56:13 <fungot> 222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222 ...
18:56:29 <ehird> yes, most unlambda programs output a lot more than one line
18:56:33 <ehird> and thus one line isn't useful
18:56:40 <ehird> did someone take away your /ignore?
18:56:54 <AnMaster> ^bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++...>++++++++++.<...
18:57:13 <AnMaster> seems it uses . for \n unless I miscounted
18:57:22 <ehird> ```.*`cd``@|`cd!* * * * * * * * * * *
18:57:23 <unlambda> *** *** ** * ** * *** * ** * * ** * * ** * * *** * * ** * * * ** * * * ** * * * ** * * * *** * * * ** * * * * ** * * * * ** * * * * ** * * * * ** * * * * *** * * * * ** * * * * * ** * * * * * ** * * * * * ** *
18:57:23 <unlambda> * * * * ** * * * * * ** * * * * * *** * * * * * ** * * * * * * ** * * * * * * ** * * * * * * ** * * * * * * ** * * * * * * ** * * * * * * ** * * * * * *
18:57:24 <unlambda> *** * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * **
18:57:26 <unlambda> * * * * * * * *** * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * **
18:57:30 <unlambda> * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * *** * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * * ** *
18:57:34 <unlambda> * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * Result: <terminated>
18:57:35 <ehird> oh god so pretttttttttttyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
18:57:37 <ais523> ^ul ((````ci`c`@|i!^ul )SaS(:^)S):^
18:57:37 <fungot> ````ci`c`@|i!^ul ((````ci`c`@|i!^ul )SaS(:^)S):^
18:57:38 <unlambda> ^ul ((````ci`c`@|i!^ul )SaS(:^)S):^ Result: v
18:57:39 <fungot> ````ci`c`@|i!^ul ((````ci`c`@|i!^ul )SaS(:^)S):^ ...bad insn!
18:57:40 <unlambda> ^ul ((````ci`c`@|i!^ul )SaS(:^)S):^ ...bad insn! Result: v
18:57:40 <fungot> ````ci`c`@|i!^ul ((````ci`c`@|i!^ul )SaS(:^)S):^ ...bad insn!
18:57:41 <unlambda> ^ul ((````ci`c`@|i!^ul )SaS(:^)S):^ ...bad insn! Result: v
18:57:42 <fungot> ````ci`c`@|i!^ul ((````ci`c`@|i!^ul )SaS(:^)S):^ ...bad insn!
18:57:43 <unlambda> ^ul ((````ci`c`@|i!^ul )SaS(:^)S):^ ...bad insn! Result: v
18:57:43 <fungot> ````ci`c`@|i!^ul ((````ci`c`@|i!^ul )SaS(:^)S):^ ...bad insn!
18:57:45 <unlambda> ^ul ((````ci`c`@|i!^ul )SaS(:^)S):^ ...bad insn! Result: v
18:57:45 <fungot> ````ci`c`@|i!^ul ((````ci`c`@|i!^ul )SaS(:^)S):^ ...bad insn!
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18:58:08 <ehird> AnMaster: that's funny, kind of like how you whined at me when I set up a botloop of fungots
18:58:08 <fungot> ehird: no idea what it is, and at the moment
18:58:11 <ehird> oh wait, not at all like that.
18:58:23 <ais523> ehird: you know I can't resist botlooping any new bot which joins
18:58:28 <ehird> AnMaster: no, I quit it.
18:58:32 <ehird> before people started complaining.
18:58:35 <ehird> you know, like fizzie does.
18:58:39 <AnMaster> ehird, not :D then, rather: you are a hypocrite
18:58:51 <AnMaster> since you got irritated when fizzie quit your loop
18:58:56 <ehird> umm I believe I was just calling you out for hypocritical actions there
18:59:04 <ais523> I agree that ehird should have quitted the loop when e did
18:59:07 <AnMaster> ehird, yes, but you always do that
18:59:18 <ais523> now, to get fungot's output to be legal Underload
18:59:19 <fungot> ais523: fnord fnord already runs with fnord classpath so it would be
18:59:32 <ehird> I sure would like a conversation with a sentient being once in a while. Any in here?
18:59:46 <ais523> ehird: well, there is evidence for that
18:59:55 <ehird> Yes, for all users but one.
19:00:01 <ehird> I think the name starts with an A.
19:00:21 <AnMaster> ehird, I understand you wouldn't see one when you met one. I mean due to not being sentient yourself.
19:00:35 <ehird> Wow, didn't you use that retort a few minutes ago?
19:00:45 <ehird> I guess your brain operates in batch mode, on the occasion that it does.
19:01:17 <AnMaster> ehird, actually, I have to change option then, you are sentient, or you wouldn't pattern match that well.
19:01:44 <ehird> Huh. The bot recognizes sentience. Interesting.
19:01:56 <AnMaster> which bot? fungot or unlambda?
19:01:57 <fungot> AnMaster: what if it's not beautiful, it's probably a useful idea to send parsed requests from the same language on another layer? nice additions to the base level, have fun with.
19:02:13 <fungot> Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* lovecraft pa speeches ss wp
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19:03:44 <ehird> the bot named "AnMaster".
19:03:44 * oerjan swats FireFly -----###
19:04:15 <ehird> No, I'm fairly sure.
19:04:30 <ais523> personally, I think it's just ehird being contrary for no good reason
19:05:01 <ehird> yes, because I'm the only one who does that. certainly AnMaster never does.
19:06:34 <AnMaster> ais523, I believe it is related to his age. Aren't they supposed to be that when they are in their lower teens (is that a Swedishism or an Englishism?)
19:06:57 <ais523> why don't we all discuss esolangs for once?
19:07:23 <AnMaster> ais523, just seems ehird prefers to attack me instead. Sigh.
19:07:46 <ehird> I'm going to assume that AnMaster knows he's being hypocritical to the max degree.
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19:08:04 <ehird> Also, that referencing my age to win an argument probably won't work on anyone with sentience.
19:08:27 <ehird> wtf, i think this unlambda program is Life
19:08:35 <ehird> or ... some automaton
19:09:02 <AnMaster> ehird, don't worry, it is just a natural part of life. You will get past it in a few years. :)
19:09:33 <ehird> I wonder if I should do like AnMaster does and ignore AnMaster and then paste the successful ignore message as flamebait.
19:09:44 <ehird> Oh wait, I have a brain. drop that idea.
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19:10:02 <AnMaster> also it wouldn't work on me. It only works on you.
19:10:55 <ehird> Hm. lament: Is deliberately trolling to elicit a flamewar bannable yet?
19:11:05 <ehird> I direct you to "It only works on you.".
19:12:30 <AnMaster> ehird, Probably not: after all, you are still here. Now I really need to programming. Have a nice evening.
19:12:46 <ehird> You accidentally programming with your brain.
19:12:59 <ehird> But thanks for leaving just to make me happier. I really appreciate the thought.
19:15:53 <oerjan> i for one can see no difference between AnMaster and ehird as far as bannability is concerned.
19:16:20 <ehird> banning us both would work, I'd come back with a proxy under a different name and he likely wouldn't.
19:21:48 <ais523> ehird: we could still tell it was you just from the style
19:22:18 <ais523> well, if it was sufficiently different, you wouldn't argue with AnMaster-like opinions, so everyone would be happy
19:23:00 <ehird> Yes, agreeing with idiots tends to make everyone into idiots and idiots among idiots generally are happy.
19:23:20 <ais523> AnMaster is not an idiot
19:23:24 <ais523> regardless of what you think
19:23:38 <ehird> Dayum, what's this new subjectivity I hear about? I don't believe in it.
19:23:39 <oklopol> oerjan: sorry, since i made that unlambda continuation notation i've been thinking someone should make an interpreter actually using it... <<< my subtle cough interp used an equivalent one
19:24:20 <AnMaster> I never considered ehird an idiot. Just as very annoying.
19:24:39 <ehird> I never said you considered me an idiot. I said you were an idiot.
19:24:58 <AnMaster> ehird, that is your subjective opinion
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19:25:25 <ehird> In a world where everyone has to start every sentence with "IMO" because humans have lost the ability to realise that what people say is not always in the context of objective fact...
19:25:32 <ehird> ...everyone is AnMaster.
19:28:27 <ehird> that doesn't even class as a joke.
19:28:45 <ais523> ehird: it isn't a joke, just an observation
19:28:48 <ais523> and quite an interesting one
19:28:56 <ais523> ofc, knowing AnMaster it might have meant to be a joke, but i don't think so
19:29:08 <ehird> No, I'm pretty sure that was meant as a joke.
19:30:22 <ehird> oerjan: Har har har that is so funny the 50th time
19:30:40 <oklopol> oerjan: i for one can see no difference between AnMaster and ehird as far as bannability is concerned. <<< i do.
19:30:44 <oerjan> erm this time it actually fit
19:31:01 <oklopol> they'd have completely different reasons for being banned.
19:31:03 <ehird> oklopol: lemme guess, I'm bannable he's not?
19:31:32 <ehird> (and if you asked that before ais523 implied that if it was a joke, it was awful ...)
19:31:46 <ais523> ehird: I don't think AnMaster would lie about such things
19:31:49 <ais523> jokes are no laughing matter
19:32:03 <oklopol> ehird: no, objectively speaking you both are very bannable, you're very stubborn and tend to insult people just for the fuck of it 24/7, and AnMaster is... very AnMaster.
19:32:21 <ehird> OK, know what? I'll come back when AnMaster's gone and we're actually discussing something
19:32:23 -!- ehird has left (?).
19:32:23 <oklopol> (people = AnMaster, mostly)
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19:32:55 <AnMaster> but you are correct, I wouldn't lie about that. Nor would I actually lie about anything really, unless it is a matter of life of death or such. (Like if someone was pointing a gun at you...)
19:33:02 <oerjan> also, disappears once someone other than AnMaster actually says something bad about him...
19:33:14 <AnMaster> oerjan, yes I mentioned that above.
19:33:17 <ais523> I rarely lie, except in contexts where people expect lying to be appropriate
19:33:23 <ais523> such as certain games where lying is part of the game
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19:33:41 <AnMaster> ais523, well ok, but I don't like such games
19:33:49 <oerjan> AnMaster: wait, it's _you_ who are supposed to have the short attention span...
19:34:16 <oerjan> he claims it's you. that may confuse me sometimes.
19:34:58 <AnMaster> oerjan, I'm the guy who can edit 20 C files each 2000+ lines at once and still manage to keep track of which function was where, even when the files lack a consistent function naming scheme.
19:35:03 <oklopol> i occasionally lie accidentally, like, explain something incorrectly, and don't bother to correct it.
19:35:15 <AnMaster> (of course, I wouldn't remember the next day)
19:35:35 <AnMaster> oklopol, well I guess that could happen, but I try to correct it if I see I made an error.
19:36:20 <oerjan> ais523: i don't manage to play such games...
19:36:32 <AnMaster> oerjan, actually, that "disappears once someone other than AnMaster actually says something bad about him..." is not exactly what I mentioned. ehird hasn't rejoined to make a one line comment and then part again, yet...
19:36:39 <AnMaster> but maybe he will do that soon.
19:36:52 <AnMaster> of course he is reading logs all the time
19:37:07 <oklopol> the problem is i care very little about actualy facts about specific people, i prefer having conversations about more general stuff, using myself only as an example
19:37:12 * AnMaster waits for: * ehird joined <ehird> No I don't read logs! * ehird parted
19:37:14 <ais523> yep, ehird left ##nomic in a huff and hasn't rejoined since, but apparently logreads it anyway
19:37:37 <AnMaster> oklopol, hm? How is that a problem?
19:37:50 <oklopol> except in irc, but that's quite a different persona.
19:38:05 <oklopol> AnMaster: the point is if i accidentally lie, i don't see any reason to correct it.
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19:38:14 <oklopol> because it's not about me, it's about the facts
19:38:39 <AnMaster> oklopol, hm so if you lie about the facts, you don't correct it?
19:39:04 <AnMaster> or only if you lie about yourself.
19:39:44 <oklopol> the kind of facts i'm talking about you cannot lie about. more like "this courses material could be considered not very suitable for university for reason X"
19:40:16 <oklopol> (i rarely talk about anything other than my own education nowadays)
19:40:17 <oerjan> yeah it's just as sure as 2+2=5
19:40:47 <AnMaster> oerjan, at these temperatures we have now it is more usually 2+2=3 though...
19:41:06 <AnMaster> I mean, not even in Swedish summer we reach 2+2=5
19:41:15 <AnMaster> you would have to go to south Europe for that.
19:41:22 <oklopol> AnMaster: if i tell someone i went to the shop the day before, but i actually went there two days ago, i will not correct it, i'll just make sure it doesn't come up i lied.
19:41:29 <AnMaster> (and that wasn't a lie, but a joke)
19:41:30 <oklopol> because that would just clutter the conversation
19:42:22 <AnMaster> oklopol, what if the discussion was about having an alibi for someone you saw in the shop?
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19:45:49 <oerjan> AnMaster: the IWC forum discussion for the current comic is - disturbing
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19:46:39 <oklopol> oerjan: why would you engage in conversation about iwc right when ehird is not here to witness it :P
19:46:50 <AnMaster> oklopol, you forgot he is log reading.
19:46:57 <ais523> what's the whole IWC meme anyway?
19:47:19 <ais523> well, it seems to have become a meme even if it wasn't
19:47:26 <oklopol> AnMaster: i try my best not to consider logreaders.
19:47:33 <AnMaster> ais523, I just happened to comment on IWC before oerjan read it a few times.
19:47:36 <oklopol> i don't like to be talking to anyone who happens to be watching.
19:47:37 <oerjan> ais523: AnMaster just likes to discuss the comic...
19:47:45 <oklopol> i'm talking to whoever is active here.
19:48:57 <oklopol> oerjan: "AM: butt i liek talk oerjan bout a iwc! HRD: lol he not speak anyway... AM: oh i sory if he don care then i'll not speak no mores :|"
19:49:54 <oklopol> oerjan: and because you contradicted that for the first time right after ehird's departure, i felt like it was statistically important enough to mention.
19:49:55 <AnMaster> oerjan, hm I agree. Very disturbing...
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19:50:19 <AnMaster> oklopol, there is no way I would talk like that.
19:50:31 <AnMaster> also wondering why that book joined again... without ehird.
19:50:41 <oerjan> impomatic: but AnMaster just unsummoned him
19:50:43 <AnMaster> maybe he took it offline to be able to talk through it?
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19:51:12 <oklopol> `````````````````.c.a.n. .i. .u.n.l.a.m.b.d.a.?i
19:51:14 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
19:51:19 -!- unlambda has quit (Remote closed the connection).
19:51:24 <AnMaster> oh I see. he want to cycle spam it
19:51:30 -!- unlambda has joined.
19:51:48 <oklopol> ````````````````.c.a.n. .i. .u.n.l.a.m.b.d.a.?i
19:52:08 * oklopol knows his way around this one
19:52:17 <AnMaster> oklopol, cycle spam = 10 JOIN 20 PART (or quit) 30 GOTO 10
19:52:19 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
19:53:00 <oklopol> AnMaster: oh he added an irc extension? basikell is advancing quickly.
19:53:53 <oklopol> AnMaster: it's a reference to something you didn't see
19:54:13 <oklopol> but seriously, i have to go now. i mean like at this mo.
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19:55:25 <oerjan> AnMaster: http://augustss.blogspot.com/2009/02/regression-they-say-that-as-you-get.html
19:55:54 <AnMaster> hm that page layout looks extremely familiar....
20:04:20 <AnMaster> oklopol, Because you just used -> of course...
20:04:52 <AnMaster> and you have already used it twice without a matching <- today
20:05:12 <AnMaster> I fail to interpret that smiley
20:05:42 <AnMaster> oerjan, logical, if "->" is "out" or "away", then "<-" would be "in" or "here".
20:05:43 <oklopol> took me a while to understand that given that it made absolutely no sense :P
20:05:57 <oklopol> but yeah i generally assume people can sense my returns without a sign.
20:06:43 <AnMaster> oklopol, hey how do you expect me to mindread over IRC?
20:06:52 <AnMaster> oklopol, I consider <- and -> as refcount
20:06:58 <oerjan> same way as anywhere else
20:07:15 <AnMaster> oerjan, well not over long distance internet :P
20:07:19 <ais523> AnMaster: there's only one oklopol, you don't have to refcount him
20:07:56 <impomatic> Hmmm... codegolf.com does well on programming reddit, but anarchy golf gets voted down :-(
20:08:14 <oerjan> ais523: but what if someone throws him in the garbage?
20:08:35 <ais523> anarchy golf looks unprofessional
20:08:47 <ais523> because there's so much crazy stuff going on behind the scenes there hasn't been time to polish the interface
20:09:20 <oerjan> you'd think all those libertarians would like it, no?
20:09:39 <AnMaster> codegolf.com looks professional IFF "Connection timed out" is considered to look professional.
20:09:54 <AnMaster> Though I admit that the firefox "Connection timed out" DOES look professional.
20:10:22 <oklopol> "oh my god they must have sommuch usserz!"
20:11:13 <oklopol> i don't actually know what causes connection timed out in general.
20:11:14 <oerjan> what about sammich users?
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20:11:40 <oklopol> i mean i don't know what causes it in general.
20:11:42 -!- unlambda has joined.
20:12:01 <oklopol> (i'm assuming anything that makes to connection time out, but how should i know.)
20:12:09 <ais523> AnMaster: unlambda is ehird's bot
20:12:19 <ais523> and ehird has been known for bot shenanigans in the past
20:12:23 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
20:12:30 <ais523> probably ehird doesn't even ened to logread
20:12:34 <ais523> because the bot's logging
20:13:24 <AnMaster> isn't that some sort of marshland feature?
20:13:45 <ais523> AnMaster: sort of, yes
20:13:52 <ais523> do you only know about bogs from wargames?
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20:14:11 <oerjan> adders, to be specific
20:16:15 -!- unlambda has quit (Remote closed the connection).
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20:16:32 <AnMaster> since it didn't include a quit reason
20:28:24 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
20:32:49 <oerjan> just to confuse people
20:32:57 <oerjan> and that's the official explanation
20:33:30 <oerjan> well, ar figgle boof nybble grip grop
20:34:06 <AnMaster> Slereah2, it use it as an activator char
20:34:23 <AnMaster> <oerjan> well, ar figgle boof nybble grip grop <-- what?
20:34:53 <Slereah2> Mup Da Doo Didda Po Mo Gub Bidda Be Dat Tum 4chan meme usually (but not always) used as the black version of fgsfds. Muhfuggen bix nood
20:35:17 <oerjan> sometimes i have to wonder if AnMaster _is_ a bot...
20:37:06 <oerjan> <AnMaster> <oerjan> well, ar figgle boof nybble grip grop <-- what?
20:37:22 <AnMaster> oerjan, So how do you feel about your ar figgle boof nybble grip?
20:38:14 <oerjan> well it's quite nice but i wish it had a chrome finish
20:38:43 <AnMaster> oerjan, Is it because you wish it had a chrome finish that you came to me?
20:39:51 <oerjan> because in 1635, Art van Goorpuddle invented the prewashed gnarl pusher
20:40:08 <oklopol> it's a bit weird, <author X> doesn't joke *that* much in <book Y>, but for some reason, every time it's mentioned that there's a timer overflow issue (Y2K, CD-rom, unix and msdos timestamps etc), he makes a joke, "every extra 88 years help" "so you should start preparing for the 2136 problem as early as possible".
20:40:15 <AnMaster> oerjan, I see... Well, are you sure that this is so?
20:40:34 <oklopol> the book has like 20 of them
20:40:56 <oerjan> well why else would they use the trapezoid dumplings?
20:41:20 <AnMaster> oerjan, When did you first know that else would they use the trapezoid dumplings?
20:41:26 <oklopol> and also about cd's lasting 100 years, "check back in 208X to see how well the first batch did"
20:41:42 <oerjan> when i was a little kid
20:41:43 <oklopol> AnMaster: i think that one was about msdos
20:42:03 <oklopol> they used a 65536 counter for storing the amount of seconds in a day
20:42:09 <AnMaster> oerjan, Can you elaborate on that?
20:42:41 <oklopol> and something just as stupid for years/months/days, 88 years was what would've been saved using unix's way
20:42:41 <AnMaster> oerjan, Are you annoyed that I ask that?
20:43:08 <oerjan> oklopol: um, 86400 > 65536
20:43:45 <oerjan> so exactly which seconds did they leave out?
20:43:52 <AnMaster> oklopol, btw, on Linux x86_64 the time_t is 64-bit, not 32-bit
20:43:58 <AnMaster> so this computer will have no issues.
20:44:22 <oklopol> probably whatever roundoff gave em
20:44:36 <oklopol> it was "accurate to +-2 seconds"
20:44:46 <oklopol> so. you can estimate at least
20:45:11 <AnMaster> oerjan, I would appreciate it if you would continue.
20:45:38 <AnMaster> oerjan, Do you really think you are sure I would?
20:45:38 <oklopol> AnMaster: i know that. probably if i read the modern unix part of the book, he'd say "so remember to update your computer before the year 29289376427324!".
20:46:00 <oklopol> in fact i should probably read it just to confirm that.
20:46:08 <AnMaster> oerjan, if you haven't figured it out, I was feeding what you said to an eliza style bot and pasting the replies back :P
20:46:59 <oklopol> x = tanenbaum, y = modern operating systems
20:47:03 <AnMaster> oerjan, when did you figure it out
20:47:20 <oerjan> <AnMaster> oerjan, So how do you feel about your ar figgle boof nybble grip?
20:47:25 <oklopol> AnMaster: yeah, he's the third most famous operating systems dude.
20:47:57 <AnMaster> oerjan, at that point I was actually making it up myself, I started using emacs' M-x doctor at the next line.
20:47:58 <oerjan> AnMaster: it's german for christmas tree
20:48:03 <oklopol> at least i consider him that, of course i'm a bit biased (read: ignorant) when it comes to stuff like this
20:48:07 <AnMaster> oerjan, I see. then it makes no sense.
20:48:27 <oklopol> AnMaster: tanenbaum is the author of minix
20:48:57 <AnMaster> but I didn't know the author of it
20:49:08 <AnMaster> I heard about it, how Torvalds began using it and so on
20:49:22 <oerjan> some say ignorance is bliss, others say ignorance is bias
20:49:49 <oklopol> anyway back to reading overflow jokes ->
20:49:53 <AnMaster> oerjan, just wondering, was that supposed to be a joke?
20:50:41 <oerjan> AnMaster: random rambling, nothing to see here, mock on
20:50:46 <AnMaster> oklopol, someone really needs to design an OS using some bignum scheme for date and time.
20:51:15 <oerjan> hm actually it means "fir tree" originally
20:51:26 <oerjan> (and should have a double n)
20:51:57 <AnMaster> oerjan, hah at the very last comment in the IWC forum thread for today's comic!
20:52:08 <oerjan> AnMaster: someone not including any ordinary humans, i say
20:52:35 * oerjan checks if there's a new comment
20:53:51 <impomatic> Is there a website that covers esoteric operating systems?
20:53:54 <AnMaster> this day of the week really sucks when it comes to web comic. Only the daily ones update on sat.
20:54:01 <oerjan> <AnMaster> oklopol, someone really needs to design an OS using some bignum scheme for date and time.
20:54:17 <AnMaster> oerjan, just to prevent that joking author yes
20:54:23 <oerjan> AnMaster: also, Buck Godot
20:55:15 <AnMaster> oerjan, I mean xkcd and darth and droids are offset so one of them update every weekday
20:55:46 <Mony> http://www.geekologie.com/2009/02/07/bacon-chart-2.jpg
20:56:03 <oerjan> D&D did that on purpose
20:56:17 <Mony> why did you say that ?
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20:57:03 <oerjan> Mony: he left in a huff
20:57:40 <oerjan> + a bit of side comments
20:58:32 <oerjan> AnMaster: you're all set for converting to islam i see :D
20:58:52 <AnMaster> oerjan, oh? Actually I like pig in other forms
21:07:07 <AnMaster> oerjan, about that web comic you mentioned, is it good?
21:07:54 * oerjan panics as someone asks him a taste question
21:08:39 <AnMaster> I have also considered starting reading Order of the stick, read a few of it, but haven't had a lot of free time.
21:09:45 <oerjan> i don't have the foggiest idea whether the things i like are "good" or not
21:10:37 <AnMaster> oerjan, so what web comics do you like?
21:11:39 <oerjan> ok it's probably good, really, it's by Phil Foglio
21:11:59 <oerjan> same as half of Girl Genius
21:12:36 <SimonRC> though Foglio's earlier career is showing through in the GG artwork a bit too much for my tastes
21:12:59 <oerjan> even more so in Buck Godot, i think
21:12:59 * AnMaster reads xkcd, IWC, Darth and Droids, sqrt(-garfield), UF
21:14:06 <AnMaster> oh and I used to read DM of the rings, but that one finished.
21:14:14 <oerjan> AnMaster: also Freefall
21:14:24 <AnMaster> (I think I began reading it about one month before it finished or so?)
21:14:52 <SimonRC> it's for the scifi, honest, no the furry
21:14:54 <oerjan> mind you i got to most of my webcomics from this channel
21:14:55 <AnMaster> "Sci-fi furry serial. New comic on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays."
21:15:08 <SimonRC> AnMaster: furry is singular BTW
21:15:33 <SimonRC> it definitely leans more to the sci-fi side
21:15:34 <AnMaster> I just copied that line from google
21:15:40 <oerjan> AnMaster: actually freefall is _not_ anything to do with fetishes and such
21:15:42 <oklopol> http://www.geekologie.com/2009/02/07/bacon-chart-2.jpg <<< finally a chart that's not annoyingly hard to follow.
21:16:21 <oerjan> i'd say Buck Godot and Girl Genius are much more fixated on such...
21:16:42 <AnMaster> ok I just checked that website, and the comic there makes no sense at all
21:16:47 <Deewiant> SimonRC: what were you referring to, then?
21:16:56 <oerjan> AnMaster: freefall today?
21:17:20 <oerjan> AnMaster: freefall is a long story, also it's (in)famous for going _very_ slowly
21:17:42 <AnMaster> I'm not up for archive reading atm
21:17:52 <AnMaster> so short story arcs is what I currently want
21:18:02 <AnMaster> Yes I read the whole IWC archive once upon a time
21:18:26 <oerjan> AnMaster: in today's comic an old adversary finally gets a bit of comeuppance
21:18:31 <SimonRC> Deewiant: I meant Foglio's earlier pornography career means most of the women in GG have much cleavage and most of the men great muscles.
21:18:52 <SimonRC> AnMaster: for short arcs, try bruno the bandit
21:18:52 <Deewiant> SimonRC: yes, that's what I was referring to as well :-P
21:19:03 <AnMaster> oerjan, why does one person fall asleep?
21:19:10 <SimonRC> arcs are multiples of 6 days; many early ones just 6 days
21:19:20 <SimonRC> AnMaster: it makes perfect sense in context
21:21:04 <SimonRC> AnMaster: specifically, Florence is a (biological) AI fitted with some kind of deactivation mechanism triggered by the blue remote. and the manager in the background has had his tongue stuck to the crygenic pipe for several strips
21:23:08 <oerjan> AnMaster: he deserved it, too
21:23:25 <SimonRC> on another topic altogether... A google ad made me click today: http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/imgad?id=CP7U7u-Gm7q4YBDUAxgxMgimBzKu44bkzA
21:23:41 <AnMaster> oerjan, it seems a bit too complex to understand the comic
21:23:46 <SimonRC> it goes to this rather entertaining scam-like thing: http://www.therichjerk.com/
21:23:58 <oerjan> AnMaster: yeah it's not gag-a-day
21:23:59 <SimonRC> AnMaster: typically one starts from the beginning of the archives
21:24:21 <AnMaster> oerjan, that is what I prefer. Or gag every few days. I'm fine with short story arcs of maybe a week or so
21:24:39 <AnMaster> SimonRC, yes I did that with IWC... and you know it took me 3 days of doing nothing else.
21:25:14 <SimonRC> AnMaster: you don't have to catch up quickly
21:25:17 <oerjan> see also, tv tropes *duck*
21:25:18 <oklopol> that guy is not better than me.
21:25:37 <AnMaster> oerjan, oh yes I hated his annotations when archive reading
21:25:38 <SimonRC> oerjan: 300 firefox tabs and counting...
21:26:06 <SimonRC> there are worse comics for annotation
21:26:19 <AnMaster> oerjan, in fact I have to forcefully limit myself to a recursion depth of 2 on tvtropes
21:27:14 <SimonRC> many comics that are by 2 people have 5 times as much text below the comic as in it.
21:27:34 <SimonRC> fucks up your following of the storyline
21:27:41 <oerjan> also maybe i should mentioned some _finished_ comics i've read: 1/0, Narbonics, A miracle of Science
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21:28:02 <AnMaster> SimonRC, yes indeed, I never read such a comic
21:28:20 <AnMaster> oerjan, oh I read a few of Narbonics once, didn't really like it
21:28:25 <AnMaster> read about 50 strips or so iirc
21:28:46 <SimonRC> oerjan: done, done (but not the annotated repeat), done, done
21:28:58 <oerjan> i liked narbonics, but i dropped the new one by the same author (Skin Horse)
21:29:23 <oerjan> it felt sort of boring
21:29:55 <oerjan> also, it had the bad sense of having comments on the same page, i got stuck on them... :D
21:30:09 <AnMaster> oerjan, 1/0 I haven't heard of, and google just gives unrelated results, about binary computers...
21:30:53 <oerjan> AnMaster: um it's the first hit
21:31:13 <SimonRC> AnMaster: it's a slightly-anvilicious-yet-lampshaded work on have absolutely no forth wall
21:31:16 <Deewiant> AnMaster: http://www.google.com/search?q=1%2F0
21:31:32 <AnMaster> Deewiant, cached results I assume
21:31:50 <oerjan> http://www.undefined.net/1/0/
21:31:56 <SimonRC> if you ignore the Monotheist Message in the 500s and 600s its good
21:32:04 <AnMaster> because first result is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero, then www.bbc.co.uk/go/homepage/i/int/sport/worldtop/4/-/news/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7844592.stm
21:32:34 <AnMaster> Deewiant, yes you don't get same result at all google servers at the same time point
21:33:02 <AnMaster> ugh that comic needs javascript?
21:33:09 <SimonRC> for my daily dose of the sick and twisted, I also read SMBC (since PBF and TPLIF are kaput)
21:33:22 <SimonRC> AnMaster: for the navigation, alas
21:33:25 <oerjan> oh Triangle and Robert
21:33:50 <SimonRC> oerjan: yeah, TnR is another good bit of no-forth-wallery, with crap art
21:33:57 <SimonRC> Deewiant: the parking lot is full
21:34:12 <AnMaster> SimonRC, I feel no need for "sick and twisted"
21:34:17 <oerjan> the crappy art is actually turned into a plot device
21:34:22 <AnMaster> but what does does abbreviations mean?
21:34:27 <SimonRC> TPLIF is the one that did the world-adopts-language-consisting-entirely-of-"chicken" joke
21:34:28 <oklopol> what does it mean not to have a fourth wall
21:34:38 <AnMaster> oh I used to read dinosaur comics
21:34:53 <SimonRC> PBF is Perry Bible Fellowship
21:34:57 <AnMaster> and you don't really need to read archive
21:35:04 <oklopol> oerjan: the crappy art is actually turned into a plot device
21:35:23 <oerjan> oklopol: well through the lack of fourth wall
21:36:25 <oklopol> oerjan: i wasn't sure at first whether not having a fourht wall meant what it means or that they *don't* break it.
21:36:32 <oklopol> because it's hard to understand negations.
21:36:42 <oerjan> hm i looked a bit at Dinosaur Comics but it didn't hook me
21:36:49 <SimonRC> the fourth wall comes from theatre, accoring to TVTropes
21:36:53 <oklopol> i don't understand dinosaur comics
21:37:11 <SimonRC> oklopol: it's an exercise in restricted artform
21:37:15 <oklopol> i don't think i've understood even one strip, and i've read lots of them.
21:37:30 <oklopol> SimonRC: i understand the concept, i don't understand the jokes.
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21:40:19 <kerlo> Consensus is that Freefall is the best one, I believe. :-P
21:40:31 <AnMaster> <oklopol> SimonRC: i understand the concept, i don't understand the jokes. <-- I think it is often funny
21:41:00 <AnMaster> no way I accept any furry comic as the best one
21:41:23 <oerjan> it's not furry! except for the main character.
21:42:07 <kerlo> xkcd suffers from xkcd syndrome.
21:42:08 <AnMaster> <oerjan> it's not furry! except for the main character. <-- bash.org time?
21:42:22 * oerjan doesn't read bash.org either
21:42:23 <AnMaster> kerlo, what? beeing too geeky?
21:42:24 <AnMaster> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/
21:42:39 <AnMaster> oerjan, that isn't a web comic. it is a irc quote database
21:42:52 <kerlo> "Hey, look! I can put a sarcastic statement in a speech bubble and call it a comic strip!"
21:42:57 <AnMaster> oerjan, as far as I know it dominates
21:43:04 <oerjan> i sort of figured it was quotes, from the links i've seen
21:43:14 <kerlo> s/in a speech bubble/between quotation marks/ if you want irony.
21:43:29 <kerlo> There's no point in having a comic strip if you're just going to have one character saying something.
21:43:32 <kerlo> Slereah2: Freefall.
21:43:56 <AnMaster> kerlo, saw that duck rotation recently?
21:44:13 <AnMaster> kerlo, and you claim it is bad?
21:45:32 <oerjan> IWC has more or less turned into a small webcomic empire, with Darths & Droids and Mezzacotta's 4 comics...
21:45:34 <kerlo> The Drake equation one was particularly bad, I think.
21:45:48 <oerjan> (for various values of "comics")
21:46:00 <kerlo> "You know, Frank Drake once said something that isn't quite right. He admitted it afterward, but still."
21:46:05 <kerlo> If I'm not mistaken.
21:46:28 <AnMaster> and that must have been in the tooltip or?
21:47:04 <kerlo> http://xkcd.com/384/
21:48:32 <kerlo> Not so much "he admitted it afterward" as "it was a rough guess that he expected everyone would forget about".
21:48:53 <AnMaster> kerlo, I don't require it to be perfect every day
21:49:34 <AnMaster> kerlo, just remember it inspired youtube to add the "audio preview" for example
21:49:50 <AnMaster> no idea if they still have that
21:49:51 <kerlo> Being influential doesn't mean I like it.
21:50:12 <AnMaster> kerlo, and I happen to like it :)
21:50:49 <kerlo> How often does it preach about DRM?
21:51:27 <kerlo> I love hearing that DRM sucks, since it isn't obvious and Slashdot doesn't exist.
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22:12:30 <oerjan> en flyvende flue fløj?
22:15:05 <AnMaster> also I did start archive reading that freefall, not too bad so far, (131 comics done so far if I interpret the url format correctly)
22:15:18 <AnMaster> iwc took a lot longer. bloody annotations
22:19:58 <AnMaster> oerjan, btw, "a flying fly flied" except that is a lot more confusing in English
22:20:30 <AnMaster> oerjan, was that a correct translation of what you said?
22:21:03 <oerjan> assuming what i said was correct
22:21:24 * oerjan cannot guarantee that, not being danish
22:21:35 <AnMaster> what would it be in Norwegian?
22:22:03 <AnMaster> Well closer to Danish than Swedish I think
22:22:04 <oerjan> admittedly not very different :)
22:22:19 <oerjan> ei flygande floge flaug
22:24:01 <oerjan> one word in common with swedish
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22:27:34 <ehird> oerjan, SimonRC: yeah, 1/0 is great, the religion part was kind of ridiculous though
22:27:52 <ehird> <AnMaster> no way I accept any furry comic as the best one
22:28:17 <ehird> If "furry" means "has anthropomorphic animal characters", then there's a lot more than webcomics you have to disregard...
22:29:45 <Slereah2> <`∀´> Corean webcomics superior nida
22:30:35 <ehird> oerjan, SimonRC: After reading 1/0 I went onto Tailsteak's site, it had some anti-gay marriage stuff and I was like :'(
22:32:05 <Slereah2> You can marry me, in the eyes of Satan
22:33:51 * oerjan wonders if norway has any registered satanist ministers with marriage rights
22:37:07 <ehird> Yay my copyriht infringement is going speedily
22:37:35 <Slereah2> STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM!
22:38:25 <ehird> But Apple's Leopard price is crazily overinflated
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22:46:46 <Slereah2> What's bringing you here mah boiii?
22:47:47 <alex89ru> The smell of esoteric lead me here
22:50:17 <Slereah2> You need an extra ` at the beggining
22:50:54 <kerlo> ``a`b`c`d`e`f`g`h`i`j`k`l`m`n`o`p`q`r`s`t`u`v`w`x`yz
22:50:55 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
22:51:08 <kerlo> ``a`b`c`d`e`f`g`h`i`j`k`l`m`n`o`p`q`r`s`t`u`v`w`x`yzz
22:51:11 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
22:51:19 <kerlo> ``a`b`c`d`e`f`g`h`i`j`k`l`m`n`o`p`q`r`s`t`u`v`w`x`yzs
22:51:20 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
22:51:27 <kerlo> ``a`b`c`d`e`f`g`h`i`j`k`l`m`n`o`p`q`r`s`t`u`v`w`x`yzssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
22:51:29 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
22:51:53 <kerlo> ``bssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
22:51:55 <unlambda> expecting "s", "k", "i", "v", "d", "c", "e", "@", "|", ".", "r", "?" or "`"
22:52:26 <Slereah2> Hm. That char doesn't display.
22:52:55 <Slereah2> ```````````.<.`.V..>. .n.i.d.ai
22:59:13 <alex89ru> eso. languages like this one :
22:59:17 <alex89ru> http://esolangs.org/wiki/2-ill
23:00:12 <alex89ru> 2-ill seems only to allow to move around through cells
23:00:20 <kerlo> alex89ru: it has input and output, too.
23:00:48 <kerlo> I think I would define a language as a function whose input is a string.
23:01:28 <oerjan> alex89ru: consider something like Backflip or Smetana/Smatiny though
23:03:10 <oerjan> hm actually smatiny had output too
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