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What is not apperant is when the quoted lines where sent. 12:49:15 but 12:49:21 umm 12:49:22 :< 12:50:50 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 12:50:53 Anyway, I just searched for a substring of that in the logs, and found just that exact message, and the quoted lines from a while ago. 12:59:27 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:20:51 But the possibilities for intentionally misinterpreting it were there, and you senselessly wasted them! 13:22:30 yes! 13:46:57 -!- FireFly has joined. 13:58:01 "According to Arnold Kim, in the latest Snow Leopard seed QuickTime Pro features are baked right in to regular old QuickTime, just like they should have been all along." 13:58:12 Did it take Apple that long to realise that QuickTime "Pro" was a laughing stock? 13:58:13 Sheesh. 14:00:30 -!- _0x44 has joined. 14:00:55 04:46:31 MizardX: why would you interpret that correctly, when you could just as well misinterpret it to ask when my message was sent? 14:00:56 04:46:36 just wondering. 14:01:00 he is not awesome enough. duh. 14:08:41 -!- impomatic has joined. 14:08:50 Greetings... :-) 14:11:49 There's an anonymous comment on my blog with the code for a BF Joust warrior that scores 277 (of a possible 300) - http://tr.im/frhp 14:33:34 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 14:53:37 what does GL_2(R) mean 14:54:02 should be something trivial from linear algebra 14:54:06 i just don't remember what. 14:54:41 Lie Group? 14:55:26 -!- impomatic has quit (Client Quit). 14:56:00 found it 14:56:03 thanks 14:56:20 i think GL_2(R) is just an example of a lie group 14:57:29 -!- jix has joined. 15:38:43 Hm, interesting.. 15:41:57 "Be warned that the code 16, when used as the destination of a mapping, actually causes a kernel panic on keypress -— as I’ve found out the hard way. " 15:42:01 I am going to map 15:42:02 "End" to that 15:45:02 * ehird remaps [] to () and vise versa 15:46:49 sheesh, SBCL is ridiculously fast 15:53:57 oh man, emacs gets like 50x better when you disable the beep 15:58:58 -!- Sgeo has joined. 16:03:09 -!- gzou2000 has joined. 16:10:54 #macosx: Masters of stating the really fucking useless obvious. http://pastie.org/386081.txt?key=ur8hitumxmju7heqzjkong 16:22:49 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 16:25:26 CL-USER> (expt (exp 1) (* pi (complex 0 1))) 16:25:27 #C(-0.9999999999999825d0 1.8725351415038922d-7) 16:25:34 One day I will find a language that does this properly. 16:30:52 any language that knows math 16:31:11 oklopol: what does J say 16:31:18 the same ofc 16:31:26 well 16:31:41 any language that doesn't get euler's identity right is worthless. 16:31:43 doesn't look like the exact same wrong result, but should be the same operations 16:31:48 umm... yeah sure 16:31:50 :) 16:32:05 oklopol: why do you LIE 16:32:55 python gives the exact same wrong result 16:33:19 what about JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ 16:33:21 anyway the problem is while j knows its rationals, it doesn't know anything about reals, not even the nice ones. 16:33:32 ehird: i tried before saying anything 16:33:32 o 16:33:34 j is dum 16:33:38 because i was like J CAN SO DO THAT 16:33:43 but then i realized 16:33:44 even haskell gets it wrong 16:33:45 why could it 16:33:55 oklopol: well why couldn't it, it could just hardcode it. 16:34:22 i think of haskell as a pretty low-level language, not sure why, maybe it's the bounded integers exist thing 16:34:36 whut 16:34:40 haskell is really high level :| 16:34:50 plus nobody likes/uses the bounded integeeeeeeers 16:35:40 i'm not sure why it feels low-level, but for some reason j feels higher-level to me, just less sophisticated. 16:35:50 do realize this has nothing to do with reason 16:35:55 have you tried mathematica 16:36:04 i have a hunch it gets it right :) 16:36:30 (if you do it right, that is, it probably does float stuff too) 16:36:36 * ehird triez it 16:37:46 FIRST ATTEMPT: 16:37:47 In[10]:= (E ** (I Pi)) + 1 16:37:48 Out[10]= 1 + E ** (I \[Pi]) 16:37:59 SECOND: 16:38:00 In[11]:= N[(E ** (I Pi)) + 1] 16:38:01 Out[11]= 1. + 2.71828 ** (0. + 3.14159 I) 16:38:06 how lovely and USELESS 16:38:19 I WANT A NUMBER, MATHEMATICA 16:38:21 A FUCKING NUMBER 16:39:00 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:39:12 hello ais523 16:39:15 i hate mathematica now. 16:39:24 16:38 FIRST ATTEMPT: 16:39:25 16:38 In[10]:= (E ** (I Pi)) + 1 16:39:26 16:38 Out[10]= 1 + E ** (I \[Pi]) 16:39:27 16:38 SECOND: 16:39:29 16:38 In[11]:= N[(E ** (I Pi)) + 1] 16:39:31 16:38 Out[11]= 1. + 2.71828 ** (0. + 3.14159 I) 16:39:32 god i hate excel 16:39:33 16:38 how lovely and USELESS 16:39:43 what does excel say 16:39:56 (We're putting euler's identity into a bunch of calculamators to see how they handle it) 16:40:09 i try to get a function from the list, and it says "btw this here formula isn't finished yet, so there's a parse error, why not start over?" 16:40:14 ehird: mathematica's all pattern matching, so it fails on anything that hasn't been coded into it 16:40:17 and you know 16:40:19 erases it. 16:40:23 ais523: youve said 16:40:27 but how come N[] didn't work 16:40:47 % bc 16:40:48 (e^(i*pi))+1 16:40:49 2 16:42:17 hmm right 16:42:20 excel doesn't know complexes 16:42:27 excel is too UNCOMPLEX. 16:42:33 python: 16:42:33 >>> exp(1) ** (pi * 1j) 16:42:34 (-1+1.2246467991473532e-16j) 16:42:44 -!- Hiato has joined. 16:43:06 ; SLIME 2006-04-20 16:43:07 i'm not sure how i managed to forget pressing the function list button like 10 times. 16:43:08 (^1)^0j1p1 16:43:08 _1j1.22465e_16 16:43:09 CL-USER> (defun calculate-e-to-the-power-of-i-times-pi-plus-one () 16:43:09 0) 16:43:09 CALCULATE-E-TO-THE-POWER-OF-I-TIMES-PI-PLUS-ONE 16:43:11 CL-USER> (calculate-e-to-the-power-of-i-times-pi-plus-one) 16:43:13 0 16:43:15 Fuck yeah common lisp 16:43:16 j = python 16:43:37 well 16:43:39 ^0j1p1 of course 16:43:44 i just mentally copied what you did 16:43:59 :D 16:44:05 (expt (exp 1) (* pi (complex 0 1))) = (exp (* pi (complex 0 1))) ofc 16:44:19 yah indeed 16:44:20 CL-USER> (exp (* pi (complex 0 1))) 16:44:21 #C(-1.0d0 1.2246063538223773d-16) 16:44:28 oklopol: how come you think in common lisp 16:44:29 :D 16:45:09 that one i thought in math 16:45:39 so you know trigonometry, huh, ehird 16:45:59 oklopol: stop mocking me :P 16:46:06 actually 16:46:11 i was more like asking 16:46:18 if you actually knew what that identity means 16:46:29 it means euler had some awesome drugs. 16:46:33 because while it's trivial, it would mean you know at least some basic math 16:46:36 right 16:46:41 perfect answer :P 16:46:42 because while it's trivial, it would mean you know at least some basic math 16:46:44 haha fuck you :D 16:47:26 well it *is* trivial, after you know the nontrivial stuff it's built on :P 16:47:54 hmm why do I like common lisp 16:47:55 it sucks 16:47:56 :\ 16:48:12 :\ 16:48:17 ... well it's lisp, and it's really fucking fast 16:48:23 and emacs+slime kind of reminds me of lisp machines. 16:48:38 -!- _0x44 has left (?). 16:48:47 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 16:48:54 hi miggey. 16:49:06 do you like lisp machines? 16:49:24 who doesn't 16:49:29 even other language fanatics like lisp machines 16:49:31 so these games where you're like a hacker and you know try to hack stuff, they exist right? 16:49:38 because they can implement their own language on top of lisp. 16:49:42 oklopol: see: Uplink 16:49:45 because i was thinking making rootquest. 16:49:52 hahaa 16:49:52 no not like uplink 16:50:05 more like virtual machine, try to hack to root on it 16:50:13 iirc that exists 16:50:24 yes, it's called a virtual machine 16:50:36 just grab any OS you like, and try to hack it 16:50:39 :) 16:50:43 that's a bit different 16:50:48 i recommend DOS 16:50:49 :P 16:50:59 DOS would be very hard to hack from the outside 16:51:03 and do realize i don't actually believe you can leave loopholes in code except on purpose 16:51:03 given that it has no clue how to open ports 16:51:13 ais523: erm, DOS has 0 security 16:51:16 because i'm a lunatic, as you should know. 16:51:21 ehird: yes, but also 0 network capability 16:51:25 without third-party software 16:51:37 so? 16:51:38 so you can put anything you like in the network cable, it'll just go la la la I can't hear you 16:51:43 you're using a virtual machine 16:51:48 you have physical access 16:51:50 game over 16:51:52 for any system 16:52:29 outside = via network, usually 16:52:35 well true 16:52:35 *from the outside 16:53:28 but anyway, the problem with rootquest is while it's simple to implement, it might take a while to make a virtual os in python, and i don't really have any tie 16:53:29 *time 16:53:36 it's just i have tons of ideas for loopholes! 16:53:42 I hate LOOP 16:53:45 CL-USER> (defun range (start end) 16:53:46 (loop for i from start below end collect i)) 16:53:51 that is so un lisp. 16:54:01 they are cunning, although admittedly the coolest holes are stolen from actual systems 16:54:14 like wut 16:54:52 yes it's not the prettiest thingy 16:55:19 I want acooke to release his malbolge geneticizer 16:56:02 http://www.acooke.org/ that's one dense home page 16:56:30 wow cool 16:56:56 that's how it should be done, when you add content, just find a way to fit it on the same page 16:56:56 ps. [note added later] i deleted the lisp code when updating the OS on my computer. before that i had generated a properly punctuated "Hello world", but never saved the code. so i guess this will remain the only non-trivial malbolge program.... 16:56:58 agh 16:57:00 :( 16:57:21 oklopol: ps you should remap [ to (, ] to ) and vise-versa, it's awesome 16:57:29 three tap smilies. lisp. 16:57:36 will remain the only non-trivial malbolge program? 16:57:57 wait i don't understand. 16:57:59 that was written in like 2003 dood 16:58:04 map [->( and ]->) 16:58:06 before anyone else wrote a program in malbolge 16:58:07 what 16:58:16 oklopol: you know how typing [ and ] is one keypress 16:58:19 but ( and ) need shift? 16:58:22 yeah i know, well i guess i didn't, but you know i know now that you told me. 16:58:23 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"). 16:58:25 swap () and [] 16:58:27 it's awesome. 16:58:45 -!- gzou2000 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 16:58:46 i'm assuming qwerty here. you probably use FINNVAK or something 16:59:02 [ and ] need shift too. do realize our virtual mouths have a different tooth structure 16:59:15 ah. 16:59:20 what doesn't need shit i mean shift 16:59:28 they don't need shift in my palmtop 16:59:37 do {} need shift 16:59:39 well. umm. 16:59:43 everything needs shift :< 16:59:47 even <>? 16:59:52 <.,-'+´¨ 16:59:57 your life must sck :[ 16:59:58 those i can get without shifting 16:59:59 suck :{ 17:00:01 suck :( 17:00:05 I have to get used to this 17:00:14 oklopol: i guess > = shift- yes 17:00:27 -!- gzou2000 has joined. 17:01:39 i love how SLIME does an animation when you start itu p 17:03:44 -!- gzou20001 has joined. 17:04:40 -!- gzou20001 has left (?). 17:08:20 -!- gzou2000 has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 17:11:47 oklopol: is oklotalk dead? you seem to like j more now 17:11:57 :D 17:12:32 yes j replaced it completely, sorry, it's gone. 17:13:07 oklopol: are you sure :< 17:13:12 not entirely sure 17:13:16 just somewhat 17:13:21 CL-USER> (setq googolplex (expt 10 googol)) 17:13:26 *hangs* 17:13:31 why won't my grades come to me 17:13:33 can j do THAT 17:14:01 i have five grades pending atm 17:14:18 10^10^100 17:14:19 _ 17:14:29 j kind of has an infinity fetish 17:14:33 oklopol: j's integers are bounded yknow 17:14:35 it doesn't have bignums 17:14:39 did you know that? 17:14:44 i did not :| 17:14:50 well 17:14:54 in fact i did 17:14:54 oklopol: enter 9999999999999(lots of 9s here) 17:14:55 hit enter 17:14:56 see _ 17:14:57 cry 17:15:02 i just didn't, like, understand it 17:15:10 i mean 10^10^100=inf already says that 17:15:14 was it too traumatic :< 17:15:14 oh but. 17:15:27 fuck. 17:15:27 10^10^x:100 17:15:27 |limit error 17:15:27 | 10 ^10^x:100 17:15:44 oklopol: oklotalk back on the cards again? :D 17:16:00 yeah, i put it back on my todo list just now 17:16:05 hah 17:16:06 *haha 17:16:29 but, time to prove my algebra is boolean now 17:16:36 ~> 17:16:44 (five fucking courses) 17:16:48 (:|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||) 17:16:53 :< 17:16:55 byee 17:19:02 ais523: do you like lisp? 17:19:05 common lisp that is 17:19:18 it depends on what you mean by "like" 17:19:21 I'm highly impressed by it 17:19:38 I think it was an excellent idea 17:19:41 and a great language at the time 17:19:45 but not today? 17:19:52 I also think that nowadays, various lisp-based languages have overtaken the original 17:19:58 still a great idea, though 17:20:01 also, common lisp was circa 1980s FYI 17:20:09 yep, pretty old 17:20:16 so you think lisp derivatives > lisp? 17:20:22 not all of them 17:20:24 but some of them are better 17:20:30 like 17:20:46 well, technically prolog is a lisp derivative 17:20:57 you think prolog is better than lisp? 17:20:59 weirdo. 17:21:08 and most functional languages were at least inspired by Lisp 17:21:13 WOO HOO LEOPARD DOWNLOADED 17:21:15 \ o / 17:21:23 I think Haskell was indirectly inspired by it, for instance, even though they aren't all that similar 17:21:32 very indirectl 17:21:33 y 17:22:10 via Miranda via ML via ISWIM 17:22:14 and none of them actually were based on lisp 17:22:16 just in the same genre 17:22:23 in conclusion, haskell has almost nothing to do with lisp 17:22:38 well, many of them would never have been come up with if their authors hadn't seen lisp 17:22:52 I mean, even Underload was inspired by Lisp to some extent 17:22:56 the whole 17:22:57 eval 17:22:59 thing 17:23:04 hi comex 17:28:29 * ehird burnz leopard 17:28:36 * ehird mauled by peta 17:29:00 I would be so amused if Apple were set on by animal rights activists who missed the fact that the version names were just codenames 17:29:17 "New Leopard mac!" 17:29:19 "omg fur is murder" 17:34:27 CL-USER> (defun calculate-epsilon (&optional (current 1.0)) 17:34:27 (if (= (+ 1.0 (/ current 2.0)) 1.0) 17:34:29 current 17:34:31 (calculate-epsilon (/ current 2.0)))) 17:34:33 CALCULATE-EPSILON 17:34:35 CL-USER> (calculate-epsilon) 17:34:37 1.1920929e-7 17:34:39 CL-USER> (format t "~f" (calculate-epsilon)) 17:34:41 0.00000011920929 17:34:43 NIL 17:34:45 cool stuff 17:35:18 ah, keep halving a number x until 1+x is indistinguishable from 1 17:36:03 yep 17:36:08 the floating point machine epsilon 17:36:16 i.e. "smallest number greater than zero" 17:36:26 except not really 17:36:31 since comparisons are handled differently 17:36:43 no, it's the smallest number that makes a difference to 1 17:36:47 well, yes 17:36:50 the smallest number that makes a difference to 10 is 10 times as large 17:36:56 yes 17:36:57 due to the way floating-point works 17:37:02 floating point is weird-ass 17:37:19 I'd never use it for anything serious tbh 17:41:58 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 18:13:49 LEOPARD BURNED! 18:13:54 See you guys post upgrade 18:14:05 I hope it goes more smoothly than my average upgrade 18:25:12 -!- Hiato has joined. 18:44:24 -!- gzou2000 has joined. 18:51:26 Ran in to some trouble, :[ 18:51:28 *:( 18:51:32 Let's try that again... 18:51:34 what went wrong? 18:54:41 ais523: It displayed a warning sign on my tiger drive and said I had to reformat the drive so it could boot from it before installation. 18:54:47 Except it was already in the right format. 18:54:55 strange... 18:55:03 So now I'll ask #macosx wtf happened. 18:59:09 ugh, #macosx is so irritating 18:59:17 people just talk about boring life crap and ignore all questions 18:59:24 get a fucking social channel 18:59:33 hmm... my computer's busy updating dpkg, it always amuses me when that happens 19:00:21 1.1920929e-7 corresponds with 23 bit mantissa. (+ 8 bit exponent and 1 bit sign = 32 bit IEEE float) 19:02:10 <#macosx> Blah blah blah fires in australia fires in australia fires in australia fires in australia fires in australia fires in australia fires in australia what's mac os x? 19:02:15 >:| 19:03:20 * ehird consults on Olde Wise Oracle Apple.com 19:03:40 0 results found for 'reformat leopard install' 19:04:10 Only installation option may be Erase and Install <-- that, I think 19:04:21 When installing Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, the only available installation option may be Erase and Install. An alert may appear during installation, such as "You can not install mac os x on this volume with out changing your installation settings...". 19:04:22 YES, that 19:04:37 Use Disk Utility from the Leopard installation DVD to verify and repair the destination drive (choose it from the Utilities menu while started from the Leopard DVD). 19:04:38 Grrrr 19:04:40 I did that 19:05:39 Let's try it anyway 19:06:35 LET'S GOOOOOOO 19:06:42 Bye guys breaking my machine --------> 19:10:24 -!- kar8nga has joined. 19:32:39 -!- gzou2000 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:34:48 -!- olsner has joined. 19:36:39 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 19:48:11 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 19:49:11 -!- sebbu has quit (No route to host). 19:49:12 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 21:45:30 -!- ehirddit has joined. 21:45:37 Leopard is w o w. 21:45:50 This is _excellent_. 21:46:00 Hooray. 21:46:03 hi 21:46:05 it worked? 21:46:17 Yep. All upgraded. 21:46:35 All my settings and files are technically gone, but I'll fish out what I need from /Previous Systems/. 21:48:15 This is nice. Okay. Better get stuff I need set up. 21:49:06 Hmm, Time Machine, should set that up sometime. 21:49:19 Although not backing up has worked fine for however many years I've been using computers. 21:50:32 ... it thinks I live in Cardiff. 21:53:07 iChat still doesn't do MSN. So, Adium download go. 21:53:53 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 21:54:40 "“Adium” is an application which was downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to open it?" 21:54:42 Umm, yes. 21:56:56 Think I'll give Mail.app another try. Maybe they made it less crap. 21:57:26 It is far worse than gmail. 21:57:27 oh, the middle button is at the default of open dashboard. I almost forgot how retarded that default was. 21:57:34 lament: thought so. 21:57:38 gmail's a bit slow though. 21:57:43 so's Mail.app. 21:58:06 Is it? I never had that. 21:58:28 search is very slow with a couple thousand messages in your inbox 21:58:46 ah. I mostly search the Agora/B mailboxes and they have like 7,000 messages each 22:00:31 lament: is time machine good? 22:00:45 never tried it 22:00:48 time machine's just a good interface to one of the tried-and-true backup methods, I think 22:01:02 good interface is almost everything 22:01:02 it's basically rsync with a less insane syntax, which is needed 22:01:08 ais523: pretty much 22:01:14 it just scans the HD every 5 minutes or so 22:01:19 and transfers a diff to an external HD 22:01:27 then integrates with a bunch of apps to let you drag & drop from the past 22:03:14 It only took 30 minutes to install, BTW. 22:03:21 The problem was I think I didn't have enough free space on the disk. 22:03:31 -!- comex has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:03:33 So I had to expand it and then it let me install. 22:03:42 -!- comex has joined. 22:03:47 wb comex 22:04:35 Mibbit is so ugly. 22:04:50 So is your FACE! 22:05:03 :( 22:10:21 So! 22:13:47 Hrm, it seems all they did to Mail was make it look prettier. 22:13:49 How disappointing. 22:14:37 Wonder how you restore the iTunes library. 22:16:39 Can't copy my music because there's not enough free space x_x 22:16:45 * ehirddit deletes the OS and crap from old system 22:17:46 Hrm. 22:19:42 Grr. That didn't work. 22:20:57 That did. Good. 22:26:34 -!- kar8nga has left (?). 22:28:16 I should get an IRC client. 22:32:13 * ehirddit fishes out textmate serial from old HD 22:32:56 If only it were that simple. 22:34:16 Meh, it'll be in my email. 22:34:19 Gmail search, go! 22:34:42 T'was easy, that. 22:37:38 yay, textmate 22:42:15 I can tell you're all highly interested. 22:47:09 I'ma get myself a proper IRC client. 22:47:59 My computer has no IRC client, I believe. 22:48:10 kerlo: does it have telnet? 22:48:11 Oh, it has ChatZilla, which I don't use. 22:48:18 Yes, it has telnet. 22:49:14 Let's give Linkinus a try, maybe it's less crashy these days. 22:49:15 HOKAY. 22:49:20 “Linkinus” is an application which was downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to open it? 22:49:24 This will get annoying quick. 22:49:32 I should disable it or something. 22:49:43 --> 22:49:44 -!- ehirddit has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"). 22:55:26 Helllooooooooooo! 22:55:32 :) 22:55:44 ais523? Hellloooooo? Anyone? 22:56:03 hi 22:56:14 * ais523 was wondering about staying silent to see ehird get increasingly more frantic 22:56:27 :D 22:57:21 Yes, Linkinus does seem to work much nicer on Leopard. 22:57:48 OK, that's IM, IRC and editing sorted out. 23:00:06 -!- ais523 has quit. 23:12:04 fungot: Hii 23:12:05 ehird: group located on or off), 23:20:24 fungot 23:20:25 comex: when a player: in any way grant legal status to that office. 23:22:35 http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/winme_b3_42.gif 23:22:41 Click that link and you can now cry! 23:22:48 ^style 23:22:48 Available: agora* alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp 23:22:49 ^style irc 23:22:50 Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) 23:25:56 Spaces are nice. Now I have to have 4 times as much stuff to die. 23:26:46 -!- Corun has joined. 23:26:52 Hi Corun! 23:28:19 Bye Corun. 23:30:48 Hai 23:33:10 fungot. 23:33:11 comex: http://mumble.net/campbell/ scheme/ plt/ collects/ net/ ipv4/ tcp_ecn.) 23:37:08 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 23:37:12 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:44:53 "Recently i wrote my own operating system (POPS) and reinvented the wheel invented by Bill Gates many years ago…" 23:45:54 Bill Gates invented the wheel? 23:46:03 Yes. Also, operating systems. 23:47:07 Bad idea, he had it sweet with the wheel 23:47:14 But now everyone blames him for windows. 23:51:02 maybe he's talking about crappy operating systems? 23:51:21 although i guess gates didn't invent those either 23:51:27 Heh. 23:53:26 t klama klama klama klama klama zo si si 23:53:34 Oops. 23:53:35 no parse 23:54:37 "zo si si" is confusing. 23:54:50 The final "si" erases "zo si". 23:55:18 Wait, I think it only erases the "si" before it. 23:55:58 This is the important part: in "zo si", the "si" is denatured. 23:56:02 => confusing 23:56:04 Yeah. 23:56:27 i mean 23:57:11 in fact i just don't know how the erasers work regarding pedantic grammar treatment 23:58:57 After you've lexed a sentence, the first thing you do is handle zoi, and the second thing you do is handle zo.