00:03:03 um there are two? 00:03:34 two whats? 00:03:48 zeers with palindromes 00:03:59 * oerjan zees only ze fizzie 00:04:25 i'm talking about {fizzie, FireFly} 00:04:30 FireFly is also a zeer 00:04:48 but a bit short on palindromes 00:05:02 and z's for that matter 00:05:03 z = sleep I assume 00:05:40 oerjan: nick palindromes are a temporary meme, please keep up. 00:06:08 yes, and you agree length 1 is short, right? 00:06:19 in fact i do 00:06:45 but sometimes i'm too stupid to realize other's aren't stupid, and explain myself. 00:06:52 *others 00:06:56 that was close :| 00:07:04 DARN 00:09:34 also the "oerjan: and z's for that matter" did kinda hint you didn't understand me. 00:10:40 well i didn't understand that part 00:14:01 how many notes does it take to have a melody? 00:14:36 3 00:14:51 I've seen 2-note melodies. 00:15:33 oerjan, ehird: Fight to the death. 00:15:45 k 00:16:06 no way 00:16:16 ehird always wins those fights 00:16:34 the empty melody has no notes 00:16:50 -!- Dewi has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 00:16:57 it's used as the base case for many inductive music proofs. 00:17:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3 00:18:08 oh that thing 00:18:46 the point of that was not to play the empty melody, he had some ridiculous idea about using the audience as a modern music instrument 00:18:54 afaik, guess i could just read it 00:20:39 yeah that's the idea 00:20:53 stupid non-mathematical stupidity 00:20:55 sleep -> 00:21:16 i postulate that 4'33" only qualifies as music if you're fucked up in the head. 00:23:37 i hear - notes - 00:24:37 I like 4'33". 00:33:36 it's better than most rap 00:34:13 it's better than most music, as there's infinite music. 00:34:23 prove. 00:35:00 lament: one note played once. one note played twice. 00:35:02 repeat forever. 00:35:11 there you go. a tiny segment of the infinite music that exists. 00:35:13 that's not music, that's a bunch of notes. 00:35:21 s/one note/one melody/. 00:35:58 1) is the same melody played 2398475987897 times really "music"? 00:36:14 2) is this music really different from the same melody repeated 2398475987898 times? 00:36:31 lament: if we accept 4'33" as music (implicit in the 'better than most music' I said), then it's still music if repeated for any amount 00:37:52 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:46:31 ehird: you are so brainwashed. 00:46:34 ehird: you're part of the haskell cult. 00:48:15 ehird: also your argument strategy is peculiar to say the least 00:48:31 which argument 00:48:38 instead of responding, you just copy what i said to a bunch of unrelated people? 00:49:08 not only it's impolite, but it only proves my point 00:49:21 can you think for yourself and not bring the haskell cult into this? 00:50:22 xahlee, to be sure, raises some valid points in that essay 00:50:29 although he mostly talks about scheme and only mentions haskell in passing 00:50:59 1] IRC is public, I copied it because it was amusing 2] i see 3] I wasn't intending to discuss it 4] wrong 5] k 00:51:35 i have no idea what those numbers correspond to. 00:51:42 lines. 00:51:47 which lines? 00:51:52 yours 00:51:57 from [00:48:38] instead of responding, you just copy what i said to a bunch of unrelated people? 00:52:25 ok. 00:53:49 keep in mind that, assuming you're brainwashed, it's very hard for you to detect that - that's the nature of brainwashing 00:54:31 you're an excellent troll, lament. fyi I don't like haskell all that much. 00:54:48 i had years of practice. 00:58:09 also i kinda like xah lee's style 00:58:16 (the calling everyone a fuckhead part) 01:00:04 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 01:10:24 -!- metaphysician has quit ("Oh Noes!"). 01:18:05 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 01:31:08 -!- metaphysician has joined. 01:43:22 -!- Dewi has joined. 02:31:07 -!- Sgeo has joined. 03:40:31 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 03:45:59 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 03:59:43 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:36:33 hird 04:36:34 .. 04:36:36 ehird 04:36:49 ohord 04:52:44 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 05:20:36 G'night all 05:21:18 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:54:36 -!- DarkPants has joined. 05:55:05 -!- DarkPants has quit (Remote closed the connection). 06:06:41 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Connection timed out). 07:53:48 -!- oklopol has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:22:53 lament: you're a fuckhead 08:45:36 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 08:45:52 -!- oklopol has joined. 08:46:38 oklopol! :D 08:49:08 :D 08:50:07 ok-lopol: Hey, you have the nickname-palindromitis also. Why is it that you just point it out in others? 08:50:39 fizzie: i have pointed it out in myselves too 08:51:10 Oh. I must have missed it. 08:55:50 it was my great palindrome bit. but don't worry, i'm going to keep doing it until everyone thinks "palindrome" means "letter". 08:56:11 and burrows-wheeler is one confusing little pecker. 09:00:27 -!- Slereah has joined. 09:12:57 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 09:17:05 -!- ais523 has joined. 09:59:59 -!- oklopol has quit ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"). 10:15:04 -!- Dewi has quit (Network is unreachable). 10:29:26 -!- Corun has joined. 10:37:58 -!- Mony has joined. 10:41:34 hey, i'm back :D 10:44:13 -!- oerjan has joined. 10:46:27 wb Mony 10:46:33 :) 10:59:23 -!- oklopol has joined. 11:12:01 i love noodles :) 11:12:11 oklopol: I already knew 11:12:58 you did? 11:12:59 cool. 11:13:13 so ais523 i didn't hear your summer plans 11:13:22 I didn't realise I had any 11:13:39 does your university stuff end during summer 11:13:46 yes, it does 11:13:47 plans? who needs plans? 11:13:47 or is it 365/80 for you? 11:13:53 but I find it hard to plan so far ahead 11:14:17 80? 11:14:35 yes, i couldn't tell ppl my plans, but i can easily ask other people's plans :) 11:14:46 365 weeks a month, 80 days a week 11:14:47 oerjan: yes i predicted when he dies. 11:15:11 ah. 11:15:32 the answer is I'm almost always working on something, but during the holidays it normally isn't university-related 11:15:59 oklopol: if he works like that no way he'll live until 80 11:16:47 oerjan: better to overestimate. 11:28:14 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 11:38:50 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 11:43:44 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 11:48:29 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 11:54:21 -!- ais523 has joined. 11:56:09 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 12:03:51 -!- jix has joined. 12:49:26 -!- jix has quit ("..."). 12:53:54 -!- jix has joined. 14:01:07 hi ais523 14:01:47 -!- ehird has quit ("Caught sigterm, terminating..."). 14:01:58 -!- ehird has joined. 14:02:32 hi ais523 14:06:38 doo doo 14:06:45 who indeed lives 14:07:38 hi 14:19:06 argh, Simulink is calculating the absolute value of a number as being negative 14:19:11 there is no way that works, at all 14:19:30 I think it must be using some sort of fuzzy maths 14:40:58 -!- Hiato has joined. 15:01:38 -!- ais523 has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"). 15:07:11 what was the number 15:08:03 oh, he's gone. 15:10:51 -!- ais523 has joined. 15:11:06 wb ais523 15:11:10 wb me 15:19:53 but why would a number say such a thing? 15:20:22 http://waferbaby.com/setup/2009/02/13/_why <- why the lucky stiff is on LSD again. 15:22:41 sounds a bit like me 15:22:46 (only draws better) 15:23:35 i loved the ljofol reference 15:26:52 i loved the ghost thing 15:27:41 i loved all of it. 15:28:07 i love you 15:28:18 me too. let's get married. 15:28:33 we probably should 15:28:50 in california. 15:38:19 -!- Slereah has joined. 15:48:59 ho hum 15:49:25 hum ho? 15:50:02 hum ho hum 15:50:05 a hum ho. 15:50:25 ehird's hummin a ho 15:50:49 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 15:53:01 yes. 15:53:35 what's the square root of seven in unary? 15:53:42 can you show me a picture 15:55:27 455454 15:55:27 and do you brits like cold tea? i think it tastes rather interesting. 15:55:36 we like tea in general 15:55:41 well duh 15:55:46 but 15:55:48 i mean relatively 15:55:51 to other teas 15:56:30 dunno 15:56:32 we like it probably 15:56:36 maybe not as much 15:57:04 well how about you know when it's solid 15:57:12 do you eat tee leaves? 16:00:03 not really 16:00:10 by which I mean no 16:00:21 by which you mean..? 16:00:55 no 16:01:31 hmm. i'm not sure i'm going to accomplish anything saying random things on random ...medias. 16:01:45 should probably stop using double plurals and start reading or something. 16:02:10 and oh my god RuralHack is crazy, #philosophy is awesome 16:02:41 RuralHack? 16:03:11 oklopol: ic, some mystic crazy fuck? 16:03:45 well. look. 16:03:51 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 16:04:13 [16:03:51] the bot doesn't have the appropriate functional relationships for consciousness 16:04:13 NaN is actually talking about another crazy fuck, who you probably know, called DanFredriksen 16:04:19 oklopol: I think they're _all_ crazy fucks 16:05:06 erm 16:05:11 "to lie to others you have to lie to yourself?" 16:05:12 what 16:05:45 everyone pretty much tunes him out. 16:05:50 mentally or /ignorily. 16:06:23 oklopol: they're all batshit. 16:06:42 well, the whole concept of philosophy is pretty much distinguishing the identical 16:06:46 so ofc they're batshit 16:07:17 oklopol: NaN is in ##christian 16:07:21 of course the bot has to differ 16:07:24 yes, he's religious 16:07:28 anything else would be admitting the nonexistance of the soul 16:07:44 admits it's an irrational belief though. 16:08:23 man, ruralhack is retarded 16:09:10 oklopol: whuz the fancy name for the philosophy "things are just how they physically are goddammit stop being stupid" 16:09:11 yes! he's fun to watch when you're really. 16:09:12 *tired 16:09:20 not just when you're tired, when you're really, too 16:09:33 yeah, really and tired 16:09:48 discount me with your ManWordzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 16:10:09 oklopol: does he just type, forever? 16:10:32 yes 16:10:53 oklopol: how do you make him stop 16:11:10 -!- ais523__ has joined. 16:11:12 well i'm starting to think he may be a bot, at least a sentence generator, there must be an operator there too though. 16:11:18 you can't stop him. 16:11:19 hi ais523__ 16:11:23 -!- ais523__ has changed nick to ais523_. 16:11:28 we're watching a mad person in ##philosophy. called ruralhack. 16:11:28 he leaves when he wants to. 16:11:32 he's mad. 16:11:45 wow, that was a surprising moment to get a kernel panic 16:11:55 -!- ais523 has quit (Nick collision from services.). 16:11:59 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 16:12:17 I have no idea why that happened... 16:12:31 kernel panic. what's kernel panic? 16:12:46 oklopol: the OS getting so insane all of a sudden it doesn't even know what's gone wrong 16:12:51 the whole computer freezes up 16:13:03 and on my laptop, it flashes capslock and scrolllock to show that something's gone wrong 16:13:04 i think he knows 16:13:05 [16:12:23] It makes me cry you hate yourself so much that you act as if you are not life 16:14:25 ais523: i see. what oses do that? 16:14:38 all the major ones do, or can do 16:14:42 this was on Linux 16:14:50 and it didn't even leave any info in the logs to show what had gone wrong 16:15:06 kernel panics are bugs. 16:16:26 -!- ais523_ has joined. 16:16:37 18:15… RuralHack: Thank you for letting me rant <<< he stopped. 16:17:41 wait 16:17:43 he didn't. 16:20:09 [16:20:03] go ahead ehird... sorry for interrupting 16:20:11 I stopped him 16:20:13 hell yeah 16:20:54 -!- FireFly has joined. 16:20:56 :) 16:25:42 -!- ais523_ has quit (Remote closed the connection). 16:32:19 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 16:32:41 omg mathematica is crap 16:32:48 it is using all my memory just to load a wav 16:33:11 lül 16:33:30 ais523: gawd why does it suck so much 16:33:34 ehird: I've told you about its inefficiency several times 16:33:42 I know 16:33:46 but it's just loading a freaking wav 16:34:14 it is 86MB 16:34:16 but STILL 16:34:50 Mathematica manages to be a computational order slower than other things for no good reason at all, somehow 16:35:51 it has to load this wav EVENTUALLY... 16:38:13 ehird: if I were to guess, it's doing the equivalent of not using a StringBuilder 16:38:40 oklopol: gawd, now there's a guy who doesn't see why I'd get up in the morning if I think life has no purpose 16:38:41 how cliche 16:38:48 heh 16:41:06 ehird: cdials: no, I do it by my own free will because I want to. conciousness has no justification apart from itself, so the continuation of itself is the only logical course. <<< listen to all these wackjobs with their big philosphical words! 16:41:31 oklopol: i was attempting to communicate with the lower life form of "philosophical fuck". 16:41:34 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 16:41:38 :) 16:41:40 [16:41:02] I believe the chief end of man is to glorify God by enjoying him forever. 16:41:45 thanks for that, we couldn't have guessed. 16:41:51 why would a christian think that. 16:44:24 my brain is rotting. 16:45:11 :) 16:47:24 That makes God sound like some sort of a drink. 16:47:33 "Enjoy god every morning!" 16:48:16 oklopol: do you ever feel like you're just repeating yourself all the time when talking to them 16:48:47 [16:48:42] drdrdrd 16:48:49 best insight in hours 16:52:47 oklopol: i tried to fit the word conciousness as many times as I could in that sentence 16:56:21 -!- Slereah has joined. 17:02:48 [17:02:32] i'm pretty sure this argument in history has only been had seventy billion times. 17:02:48 [17:02:41] clearly having it one more time will get somewhere 17:02:51 Time until kick: 3 seconds 17:03:21 kick on #philosophy? 8| 17:03:30 i have my doubts. 17:03:32 :D 17:03:42 i have a two hour argument this morning there 17:04:09 this dude was trying to convince me statistics are crucial for learning a language. 17:04:14 XD 17:04:43 (wait a sec) 17:07:18 well, that's fine, except i was talking about how in my opinion it would make more sense to create bots that learn simple artificial grammars, and bots that use a simple-to-parse language and try to do something sensible with the semantics, instead of just starting to feed a generic AI statistics about english and trying to get it to speak it. 17:07:26 (i was interrupted, sorry.) 17:08:18 and told him about a hundred times i was not interested in having an argument about how children learn language, and that i agreed with him about the statistics argument anyway. 17:08:29 :D 17:09:23 and the dude just kept on telling me how his child understood pronouns, and that convobots shouldn't be designed intelligently, but they should be made to understand any language, based on what they're given as input. 17:09:36 oklopol: here's an artificial grammar for you: 17:09:38 and i told him i agreed with that as well. 17:10:01 when you add the fact i cannot stop arguments, because, you know, i'm retarded, it was one painful discussion. 17:10:28 missed the whole lecture, fortunately i learned after the lecture i had still understood more than others, it seems. 17:10:49 oklopol: expr = verb | verb ' ' verb. verb = [adegklnopstuyz]+ 17:10:55 er 17:10:57 "so, did anyone get at least some sense out of this?" *silence, i wave my hand in midair* 17:11:46 oklopol: expr = verb | expr ' ' verb | expr '. ' expr | '"' expr '"' | expr expr. verb = [adegklnopstuyz]+ 17:12:03 postfix, ofc. 17:12:31 agelo "polget" na 17:12:32 -!- sebbu has quit (Connection timed out). 17:12:35 i haveno idea what that says 17:12:37 but it looks nic 17:13:13 "polget" is a quotation, ofc. 17:13:22 [ofc it has first-class functions] 17:13:43 ofc 17:13:48 quotations are verbs consisting of the composition of everything in the quotes. 17:13:54 but they also reference the verbs inside. 17:14:09 agelo was a name, so as a singleton it's (\x. x agelo) 17:14:15 err, or rather 17:14:17 it pushes itself 17:14:26 na is 'says', I guess. 17:14:28 it should be 17:14:30 "polget" agelo na 17:14:33 so you can compose "agelo na" 17:14:37 to mean 'Agelo says...' 17:15:07 oklopol: elegant? 17:15:33 so 17:15:34 err 17:15:40 (wait.) 17:15:53 first of all 17:15:59 i thought you said elephant 17:16:04 sentences (a. b) just run a, clear the stack, then run b. 17:16:06 but umm elegant, let's see 17:16:07 haha 17:16:26 oklopol: quotations should nest, actually 17:16:33 make it alternating " and ' 17:16:36 determined by whitespace 17:17:15 "'"polget" "agelo na"' agelo na" agelo na 17:17:16 -> 17:17:26 ((polget) (agelo na) agelo na) agelo na 17:17:33 i want to make my cool convobot. 17:17:40 which means 17:17:53 Agelo says, "Agelo says, "'Polget' and 'Agelo says'."" 17:18:18 sure 17:18:30 oklopol: put my grammar into it. and make it invent words for how people behave. 17:18:38 hah. 17:18:52 like, it'd just recognize patterns in what people say, and learn them as words 17:19:02 and if people said patterns along others, it'd associate them 17:19:07 i don't think i'd constrain its capability to invent words. 17:19:15 wut 17:19:17 that wasn't constraining 17:19:24 i mean 17:19:27 "yes" 17:19:29 ;) 17:19:32 :D 17:21:11 (need to bbl now ->) 17:25:49 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 17:32:27 -!- ais523_ has joined. 17:33:31 oh my god this word generating algorithm is amazing. 17:33:49 goauoeaoko 17:34:03 is that even pronouncable? 17:34:08 it ends with oko, anyway, so it's forgiven 17:34:09 yes 17:34:24 wait. I have u down as a consonant. 17:34:45 oooaep 17:34:50 ok, triple vowels is a bit excsesive. 17:35:44 ais523_: "gaotolootaaney" 17:35:49 best word ever. 17:36:21 actually, double is ugly no matter what. 17:36:29 it should just be cvcvcvcv or vcvcvcvc 17:36:33 double o works, double a doesn't 17:36:57 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 17:37:30 ais523_: i'd prefer oo to be a separate letter 17:37:32 that is, u. 17:38:19 ais523_: "sakogakasepude" 17:38:22 best word ever? 17:39:00 no 17:39:54 >>> random_word() 17:39:54 'lapol' 17:39:59 this is clearly oklopol's native tounge 17:40:33 'nakutapupu' <- pronounced 'nahcootahpoopoo'. 17:42:10 eyoyanaka <- e, o and a are short there 17:42:17 (all vowels are short apart from u) 17:42:20 (where u = oo) 17:47:21 the alphabett: danepokupytz 17:58:45 -!- Hiato has joined. 18:00:49 -!- ais523 has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"). 18:00:54 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 18:20:15 i always used to think there was a C+ 18:20:20 there's C and C++, so there must be a C+! 18:20:22 (Note: i was like 6) 18:23:01 hah 18:53:50 -!- oklopol has quit (Connection timed out). 18:54:03 -!- oklopol has joined. 19:20:34 -!- sebbu2 has quit (No route to host). 19:27:46 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 19:32:18 -!- sebbu has joined. 19:34:52 oklopol: 19:34:53 [19:29:12] hello, what if time runs backwards and we feel it runs forwards ? 19:34:59 hilarious 19:36:09 :D 19:51:58 [19:51:32] Excuse me, all this arrogance has given me diahrea, im going to go take a hot steamy shit, brb 20:01:45 -!- kar8nga has joined. 20:06:37 oklopol: have you written tga files? 20:06:41 got a weird bug 20:07:10 nope 20:07:13 ;< 20:07:52 not sure i've even really used them. 20:07:56 well okay i have 20:07:58 but you know. 20:08:03 wait, Asztal has 20:08:09 what hasn't he 20:08:10 he ripped off my haskell lib and gave it tga :P 20:08:14 ping to Asztal 20:08:33 I thought I'd read some tga files, but upon closer inspection it turns out those were tiff files instead. 20:08:37 Asztal: drag your asz in here and tal us about tga 20:15:03 hello 20:15:32 oklopol: ehird's decided to do something with tga 20:15:40 because he things libpng is too complicated 20:15:46 *Asztal: 20:15:48 no, I don't 20:15:49 and now he needs your help, it seems 20:15:53 I think that using a library is no fun. 20:17:52 indeed it isn't 20:18:04 my code for it was pretty short (I didn't bother with endianness) : http://paste.pocoo.org/show/104330/ 20:18:49 Asztal: ic, I didn't use pallettes 20:18:55 hmm, I suppose I do kind of bother with endianness 20:19:17 but ... that's pretty much my cod 20:19:18 e 20:19:23 so wtf doesn'tit work o_O 20:19:39 I didn't do palettes either (not sure what that 32 is there for) 20:20:15 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:20:33 Asztal: wait wait, some of those are _words_? 20:20:34 oshi 20:21:01 aha :) 20:21:05 ehird: how did you not notice that? 20:21:10 from the spec you linked me? 20:21:17 reading TGA? 20:21:19 how fun 20:21:23 magic. 20:21:24 AnMaster: writing. 20:21:28 ah 20:21:31 Asztal: fputs("\0\0\2\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0", file); 20:21:31 _write_little_endian(file, img->w); 20:21:32 _write_little_endian(file, img->h); 20:21:32 fputs("\24\0", file); 20:21:33 is my header 20:21:34 ehird, png is a lot more interesting 20:21:37 as in complex 20:21:38 writing's easier as you don't have to worry about compression 20:21:42 also why do you need to write tga? 20:21:45 and I'm at a loss to why that doesn't work 20:21:52 AnMaster: because he doesn't want to write png, yet wants graphics output 20:21:54 AnMaster: I don't care what you think is interesting, and because I want to 20:22:06 mhm 20:22:07 I suggested RAW but he couldn't read it 20:22:11 what is it that you are outputting? 20:22:19 images 20:22:21 ais523, ah, what about .rgb? 20:22:53 AnMaster: never heard of it 20:22:53 also a fun format is .xpm :D 20:23:01 although it's possibly a different name for .raw 20:23:08 the header is the right length, I checked 20:23:17 so my values are screwed up somehow, or the data 20:23:20 ais523, actually there are two, semi-incompatible variants of .rgb, flightgear used to use the more uncommon one 20:23:34 more uncommon = less common 20:23:34 which was a pain to save in gimp, you had to manually select type every time 20:23:51 Uh, that \24 there is octal, isn't it? 20:23:59 While you probably want 24-as-decimal. 20:24:00 ehird, more common -> less uncommon? 20:24:10 AnMaster: yes 20:24:18 ais523, ok that is silly 20:24:22 why not just use "more" 20:24:38 fizzie: ups/ 20:24:41 I mean, they're both correct 20:24:45 rather than one's better than the other 20:24:50 I thought that's what you meant by the -> 20:25:01 "more uncommon" --AnMaster 20:25:08 "say 'less common'" --me 20:25:13 ais523, ehird seemed to suggest I should use "less common" rather than "more uncommon" 20:25:22 err, yes 20:25:23 so I wondered if that was symetrical 20:25:28 because more uncommon is a double negative. 20:25:35 ehird: since when was "more" a negative 20:25:36 should "more common" be replaced with "less uncommon" 20:25:49 ais523: err, well, you know what i mean 20:25:52 ehird: no I don't 20:25:54 ais523, since ehird said it 20:25:55 more uncommon sounds awkward. 20:26:04 try "rarer", you can collapse it into one word 20:26:04 less common is ... less uncommon. 20:26:05 ehird, then you should use less uncommon too 20:26:14 no 20:26:17 you shouldn't 20:26:17 in instead of more common 20:26:17 ehird doesn't do deMorgan's laws 20:26:40 oerjan, indeed 20:26:58 I'm surprised he don't know about that 20:27:18 err, I'm talking about language. 20:27:21 and what sounds awkward. 20:27:36 "awkward" sounds awkward. 20:27:43 ehird: the problem is that nobody here agrees with you, not even the other native English speakers 20:27:58 and looks even worse 20:28:08 ais523: you think "more uncommon" is better than "less common 20:28:09 Awkward sounds "to the direction of awk". 20:28:09 "?!! 20:28:26 fizzie: yes, it's the opposite of sedwards 20:29:21 I'd say "more uncommondededer." 20:29:57 i asked someone who isn't on crack and they can confirm that you're all on crack. 20:30:14 but is "more uncommon" less uncommon than "less common"? 20:30:17 wait, wait 20:30:19 Being not on crack, how would they know? 20:30:21 "It might be LSD or heroin." 20:30:27 ok, so there is SOME AMBIGUITY here 20:30:32 but I don't think no drugs is a possibility 20:30:53 only heroes do heroin. such as the taliban. 20:31:06 Would think the taliban use talidomide. 20:31:17 I'd say "more uncommondededer." <-- :D 20:31:24 Oh, wait, it's with an 'h' in english. 20:31:28 * oerjan should note he is on neither, he just hasn't eaten yet 20:31:36 fizzie: wouldn't you say "more of them uncommons" 20:31:48 I just might, if you keep that up. 20:31:55 * AnMaster has eaten and is on no drug 20:32:17 ehird, also I agree with ais523 on this question 20:32:40 I could gather that, by the fact that you've both been arguing about it with me and saying the same stupid things. 20:32:52 ehird, but you seem to think that "more uncommon" is more unenglish? 20:32:54 ehird: nobody but you thinks they're stupid 20:33:05 ais523: yes, well that's their problem. 20:33:20 AnMaster: you don't count, i saw you make a grammatical error just a while ago 20:33:22 besides, "not uncommon" is more of a double negative than "more uncommon", and yet it's quite common 20:33:34 oerjan, you mean "more unenglish"? that was just a joke. 20:33:38 or what do you mean? 20:33:44 no, I'm surprised he don't know about that 20:33:51 oerjan, typo 20:33:59 that's what they all say 20:33:59 missed es 20:34:07 doesn't -es = don't 20:34:28 oerjan, Actually you made an error too. You forgot to use a capital at the start of the sentence. 20:34:29 :P 20:34:39 is this the tragedy of the uncommons, i wonder 20:34:48 oerjan: I doubt it 20:35:10 oerjan, Is that like uncyclopedia? 20:35:30 I mean... wikipedia -> uncyclopedia, wikimedia commons -> uncommons 20:35:39 yeah right probably that 20:36:28 use the destructive uncommons licence for things you want _no one_ to have 20:36:37 creative/destructive? 20:36:41 that is not very ... opposite. 20:36:54 it isn't? 20:36:54 ehird: I think it is 20:36:57 ehird, no that would be less uninlogical 20:37:18 so... in ehirdland, "creative" is not the opposite of "destructive", and more is a negative 20:37:20 what next? 20:37:26 s/more/"more"/ 20:37:38 ais523, maybe he will say that uninlogical doesn't exist next? 20:37:39 :D 20:37:46 the opposite of creative would be uncreative. SHOCK HORROR. 20:38:04 ehird: that's a negative, not an opposite 20:38:08 what's the opposite of "less than"? 20:38:18 somehow I think you're going to say "greater than or equal to", based on that reasoning 20:38:22 AnMaster: also, i don't do capital punishment sentences 20:38:37 oerjan, uh... 20:38:39 what? 20:38:50 AnMaster: it was a pun 20:38:53 oh 20:39:00 "capital punishment" = "killing people to punish them for a crime" 20:39:04 well yes 20:39:06 I know that 20:39:07 if you don't know that definition, the pun makes no sense 20:39:08 Those are opposites of different senses of creative; here's irrefutable proof from wordnet: 20:39:11 Antonyms of adj creative 20:39:14 2 senses of creative 20:39:16 Sense 1 20:39:19 creative (vs. uncreative), originative 20:39:19 ais523, I *know* that. And I don' get it 20:39:21 Sense 2 20:39:22 don't* 20:39:24 creative 20:39:26 INDIRECT (VIA constructive) -> destructive 20:39:33 see, indirect 20:39:39 its not an opposite 20:39:40 AnMaster: it's a reference to the capital letter complaint earlier that you made against oerjan 20:39:44 it's the opposite of a related word. 20:39:46 The two senses being: 1. (13) creative, originative -- (having the ability or power to create; "a creative imagination"); 2. (3) creative -- (promoting construction or creation; "creative work"). 20:39:52 -!- sebbu has quit (No route to host). 20:39:54 It's the opposite of creative in the second sense. 20:40:01 ais523, oh I thought it was something far fetched based on *pun*ishment 20:40:02 ... 20:40:26 AnMaster: you were punning the wrong word? 20:40:31 AUGH! 20:40:46 * AnMaster waits for a joke about type punning next... 20:40:54 AnMaster: well it was that too, obviously 20:41:03 sigh 20:41:04 (Even the Principia Discordia uses the creative/destructive pair of opposites.) 20:41:08 AnMaster: but my last comment wasn't even a pun, it was just designed to look like one 20:41:34 lol @ punishment :D 20:42:00 since i'm only halvway through my meal, don't expect my puns to make complete logical sense 20:42:04 *f 20:42:42 hm what is type punning 20:42:45 fizzie, ah yes indeed 20:43:04 oerjan, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_punning 20:43:09 meal male lame ...leam 20:43:28 it is stuff like: *((float*)&myint) 20:43:29 :D 20:43:36 actually don't do that one 20:43:43 there are less error prone ways to do it 20:44:04 like unions, in practise every compiler supports "not accessing with same member" because everyone is doing that 20:44:29 your mom is pretty error prone 20:44:39 that was very oko 20:44:40 ... 20:44:52 what the heck does that have to do with the word "pun" 20:45:03 oerjan, nothing 20:45:15 oerjan, ask oklopol I guess 20:45:30 yeah askme 20:45:32 *ask me 20:45:32 what are joke? 20:45:42 oklopol: what the heck does that have to do with the word "pun" 20:45:44 ais523, ? 20:45:54 AnMaster: it's a reference to something ehird said ages ago 20:45:59 ais523, that sounds like more unbad grammar to me. 20:46:05 that is more like ehird defines it 20:46:15 unbaddishment galore 20:46:25 doubleplusungood grammar? 20:46:40 ais523, 1984 reference right? 20:46:42 yes 20:46:45 anyway, I'm going home 20:46:46 I haven't read the book but... 20:46:49 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 20:46:49 ais523, cya! 20:47:20 oerjan: well you know, using another meaning of a variable in a sentence. 20:47:31 hm... 20:47:36 eh 20:48:42 err 20:48:47 wikipedia just broke for me 20:48:48 no CSS 20:48:57 on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stride_of_an_array 20:49:14 hm now it works 20:53:43 -!- sebbu has joined. 20:57:53 -!- ehird has changed nick to ehird|away. 20:59:53 [19:29:12] hello, what if time runs backwards and we feel it runs forwards ? 21:00:01 * oerjan has considered that before 21:00:07 or was it later? 21:04:05 I didn't see that one going! 21:04:28 I will 21:07:40 One can argue that in a global sense time doesn't "run" one way or another, but that we perceive time as running one way due to causality. So, if time was running the other way because of causality, we would perceive it that way because of causality; whereas if it "ran" opposite of causality by some definition, that's irrelevant because causality is how we describe the direction of time. 21:07:52 -!- ehird|away has changed nick to ehird. 21:08:20 That is to say, there is no reasonable definition of time for which that can be true. 21:12:06 i think it assumes there is some "real" time which our consciousness moves along, and asks whether this could correspond with backwards travel in the sense of physical causality 21:13:33 i.e. it assumes a soul/matter dichotomy or similar 21:13:36 * oklopol suggests reading the bible 21:13:50 * oklopol joined ##christian and #jesus today 21:14:13 * oklopol is trying new things... ircwise 21:14:14 another possibility to make sense of it: imagine if our universe is a simulation inside another, which is running backwards relative to the outer one 21:14:50 * AnMaster invites oklopol to ##flyingspaghettimonster 21:15:07 oklopol, also wth "##christian" but "#jesus" 21:15:14 the latter one should be ##jesus 21:15:21 according to freenode channel naming guidelines 21:15:32 -!- fungot has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:15:32 -!- fizzie has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:15:35 yes, and this should be ##esoteric 21:15:38 so? 21:15:44 oklopol, that is true 21:15:48 we should do a group request 21:15:58 * oerjan swats AnMaster -----### 21:16:10 then we could have cloaks like * [oklopol] (n=nnscript@esoteric/oklopol): Ville Salo 21:16:12 ;D 21:16:26 :| 21:16:31 stop that you fuckers 21:16:31 oklopol, what? 21:16:35 * oklopol changes ident 21:16:37 stop what? 21:16:43 YOU REVEALED HIS NAME! YOU ASSHOLE! 21:16:43 nnscript as ident? 21:16:45 oh I SEE 21:16:48 -!- oklopol has quit ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"). 21:16:50 yes a mirc looser 21:16:55 that is what the ident said 21:16:56 also 21:17:02 real name != ident 21:17:11 -!- oklopol has joined. 21:17:18 oklopol, fail, ident is same 21:17:21 still nnscript for ident 21:17:27 heh 21:17:35 i meant real name. 21:17:44 * [nick] (ident@host): GECOS/Real name 21:17:44 AnMaster: yes, i meant real name. 21:17:50 oklopol, then say that 21:17:56 oklopol, also clog has it now 21:17:57 I bet 21:18:00 i said you little pecker 21:18:09 it's been revealed before, right? 21:18:15 * [AnMaster] (n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster): AnMaster <-- much better :D 21:18:18 or maybe not on channel 21:18:34 I think you are correct Ørjan Johansen 21:18:35 ! 21:18:43 i don't care about people mentioning it. 21:18:44 i am not trying to hide my real name 21:18:46 * [oerjan] (n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no): Ørjan Johansen 21:18:46 i care about them seeing it 21:18:48 oerjan, indeed 21:19:12 would i choose a nick based on it if so... 21:19:19 oerjan, nor am I, I just care that any causal observers won't find out with a random whois, my name is easy enough to find anyway... 21:19:22 *shrug* 21:19:57 THIS LINE IS FOR EASIER GOOGLING. OKLOPOL'S REAL NAME REVEALED IN CLOG! Tags: oklopol, real, name, clog, esoteric 21:20:17 lament, :D 21:20:18 lament: shouldn't you have the name in that line too? 21:20:24 or 21:20:26 oh good point 21:20:34 The name is in today's log, if anyone's interested. 21:20:41 true 21:20:42 Just scroll up a couple pages. 21:20:49 trues. 21:21:06 lament: i don't think clog is on google properly, i've had trouble searching, only a few pages show up 21:21:14 but i could just disconnect the internet if i wanted people not to see it. 21:21:19 it's not like i'm not in control. 21:21:26 oerjan: :( 21:21:31 oklopol: your secret is safe 21:21:44 your secret is safe with the world 21:21:44 :D 21:22:07 my name is not a secret, i just don't like you using it. 21:22:15 Don't mention oklopol's name in vain. 21:22:20 something like that. 21:22:22 hah 21:22:50 loli slave 21:22:59 my parents are perverts 21:23:11 and they probably wanted a girl. 21:23:27 hm 21:23:30 lament, what about your name 21:23:35 your nick is a word 21:23:37 harder to google 21:23:47 olle silva 21:24:08 oerjan, hittade du på det? 21:24:24 självklart 21:24:26 aha 21:24:35 hittade på vad 21:24:44 anagrammet 21:24:50 på nätet? 21:24:52 åhå 21:24:59 oklopol, err.. va? 21:25:07 "hittade på" == made it up 21:25:18 lol 21:25:23 oklopol, what did you think? 21:25:31 a nuance of find 21:25:38 rather embarrassing. 21:25:38 * AnMaster googles "nuance" 21:25:45 not that i know swedish, but still. 21:25:56 oklopol, well "hitta" is "find" 21:26:00 i know. 21:26:06 it's not like you had to learn it in school or something 21:26:08 i thought it sounded a bit curious. 21:26:13 ah 21:26:33 well "hitta på " == "make up" 21:26:44 well i was pretty much a top student in all languages. 21:26:46 norwegian is "finne på", same structure and meaning of parts 21:27:02 -!- ehird has changed nick to ehird|away. 21:27:19 oerjan, yeah I figure you Norwegians can understand Swedish better than we Swedes can understand Norwegian 21:27:20 :/ 21:27:33 AnMaster: please don't translate things twice to me after i fail. 21:27:57 oklopol, you mean like "hitta på" <=> "make up" 21:27:58 i'm a sore loser especially when there's no competition. 21:27:59 :D 21:28:10 yep, all swedish culture comes to norway, little goes the other way 21:28:31 strange... why would it be like that, oerjan? 21:29:00 -!- ehird|away has changed nick to ehird. 21:29:39 not sure, maybe norway is smaller means we need to take from where we can find it 21:29:58 oerjan, you have oil... 21:30:08 yes a mirc looser 21:30:09 i mean in population 21:30:12 I get the feeling you've never used mirc. 21:30:12 you lucky bastards, got lot of money from it 21:30:17 ehird, I have... 21:30:24 horrible 21:30:26 mirc's a fine client, it's shit like hydraIRC that suck 21:30:26 s 21:30:37 ehird, mircscript is worse than apple script.. 21:30:42 uhh, who cares 21:30:46 i'm talking about the actual client 21:30:46 well 21:30:54 ehird, the client is bad too 21:30:54 IMO 21:31:13 anyway I have no interest to discuss subjective stuff with you 21:31:20 you just never change your mind 21:31:35 (I don't often, but I sometimes do) 21:31:38 yeah, how dare I not be convinced by amazing arguments like yes a mirc looser 21:31:44 i'm so stubborn 21:31:52 ehird, it wasn't an argument 21:31:56 it was a random comment 21:31:57 ... 21:32:31 i'm at least one mirc looser than you. 21:32:50 oklopol: maybe by amirc he meant american 21:32:58 an american that is looser? 21:33:02 oklopol: yes, let's try and bury the quarrel in puns :D 21:33:40 yeah we can be like the messengers of luv 21:34:07 we have nothing to loose 21:34:43 hm we won that one fast 21:34:58 did I mention AnMaster is an idiot? 21:35:04 oerjan: now you can go some mor 21:35:05 e 21:35:55 -!- ehird has quit ("Caught sigterm, terminating..."). 21:37:13 i think i'll have to loose that challenge 21:37:32 oooooooooooo 21:37:41 -!- ehird has joined. 21:38:02 eek, playing loose and fast with o's seems to have caused them to procreate 21:38:19 probably that's what happens 21:38:21 i mean 21:38:23 happened 21:38:48 i have to be now. 21:38:48 -> 21:39:20 we should all be more. 21:43:53 I am a retard 21:43:59 fputs("\0 21:44:01 spot the error? 21:45:17 missing "); 21:45:27 Deewiant: how about the fact that it WON'T PRINT ANY CHARACTER 21:45:31 and also, fputs writes zero-terminated strings. 21:45:34 exactly. 21:45:40 ehird: stuff that doesn't compile generally doesn't do much 21:45:46 but yeah 21:45:50 shush, there was string after it 21:45:53 zero-terminated strings are idiotic. 21:46:01 idiotic like a hamburger. 21:46:15 should I feel bad about trolling ##christian? 21:46:16 ich bin ein hamburger 21:46:25 yeah, like a hamburger. I guess. (?) 21:46:28 or was that a jelly donut 21:46:30 Deewiant: exactly. 21:46:59 OH YEAH MY TGA KIND OF WORKS. 21:47:56 * oerjan drops Poe's Collected Laws on ehird |====| 21:49:39 Transient Global Amnesia always works as far as anyone can remember 21:51:09 hmm. how curious this is. 21:51:27 ah. 21:51:28 but of course. 21:51:39 but off course. 21:51:52 *butt 21:52:09 * oerjan needs to start typing slower than he thinks 21:52:18 -!- fizzie has joined. 21:52:22 blergh 21:52:27 too many sites offers openids 21:52:33 I never use openid 21:52:39 yet I have like 5 different ones 21:52:42 from different sites 21:52:50 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 21:53:00 what's a good way to notate homophonic music in ascii? 21:53:03 now all I want is like a um, openid manager... you know like a old style key ring app 21:53:09 i mean 21:53:13 i know what the possibilities are 21:53:22 to connect all these openids in some web-2.social way 21:53:24 there's tab notation, there's lilipond-style text-based format 21:53:28 *lilypond 21:53:31 AnMaster: or just... ignore them> 21:53:41 ehird, that works too, but is less sarcastic 21:53:42 you're only meant to have 1 openid. 21:53:44 but those possibilities suck, so my questios really is 21:53:46 *question 21:53:56 lament: invent your own. 21:53:59 yes 21:54:01 that's my question 21:54:16 lament: a number and then some ----'s 21:54:16 lament: base it on rotation. 21:54:17 ehird, err, a lot of sites I do have normal logins on apparently also provide openid based on that login, Not my fault. 21:54:20 everybody loves rotations. 21:54:26 I don't use *ANY* openid 21:54:29 bsmntbombdood: you mean in tab notation? 21:54:30 AnMaster: they are not offering an openid. 21:54:36 AnMaster: they are accepting openids. 21:54:40 lament: i don't know what that is 21:54:42 ehird, err wrong 21:54:48 oh. 21:54:50 I misread. 21:54:57 yes, you're only meant to use one. 21:55:09 ehird, for example it turned out I could use https://launchpad.net/~anmaster as an openid... saw that just now 21:55:10 you can even put it on multiple lines and make it polyphonic 21:55:17 same for several other sites 21:55:35 AnMaster: you would be an idiot to use launchpad as an OpenID. who wants to delegate their online identity to them? 21:55:37 bsmntbombdood: what would the numbers mean? 21:55:47 lament: the pitch 21:55:47 ehird, that is true... I wouldn't use it 21:55:52 I don't use ANY openid 21:55:56 since I trust no one 21:55:59 that's only the third time you've said that 21:56:00 congrats. 21:56:12 ehird, I was just reinforcing my argument or something ;P 21:56:22 AnMaster: so why are you using electricity 21:56:30 anyway, if you are just meant to have one openid... 21:56:34 how do you know the electricity company isn't monitoring your secret files 21:56:36 why do so many sites provide it? 21:56:50 most people are idiots. 21:56:51 ehird, through an UPS? 21:56:57 yes. 21:57:02 how? 21:57:17 ps you can host an openid yourself, yknow. 21:58:05 ehird, well ps, I don't own any domain I know I will have in 20 years, while an encrypted backup of a keychain that is refreshed every week and for which I know the password... 21:58:20 for some reason I trust that more :> 21:58:28 20 freaking years? 21:58:41 i somehow very much doubt the www will be around as it is now in 20 years. 21:58:43 ehird, hey, long now foundation is even more extreme 21:58:55 er, no. 21:59:01 totally different. 21:59:09 ehird, true 21:59:18 why do I have to use relevant arguments? 21:59:27 it is like boring, + not fair when you don't anyway 21:59:36 erm, I do use relevant arguments. 21:59:42 always? 21:59:44 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 22:00:00 way more often than you, at least. 22:00:01 use elephant arguments 22:00:08 if people disagree, stomp on them 22:00:20 i disagree. 22:00:31 * Deewiant stomps on lament 22:00:35 arousing 22:00:36 * AnMaster stomps on Deewiant 22:00:40 * oerjan stomps on lament |_|_|_|_| 22:00:45 holy shit, stomp orgy. 22:00:47 ouch 22:00:49 * AnMaster stomps on the elephant 22:00:52 darn too slow 22:00:55 it's all my wildest fantasies come true 22:00:56 * Deewiant stomps on the argument 22:00:59 oerjan, what? 22:01:09 * oerjan stomps on AnMaster |_|_|_|_| 22:01:22 Always wear a hard hat on IRC :) 22:01:27 i didn't notice everyone else started before i finished the foot 22:01:28 * AnMaster stomps on oerjan 22:01:45 oerjan, that was a foot? 22:01:48 get a room 22:02:06 an elephant foot, naturally 22:02:14 really? 22:02:27 looked line some glasses side by side 22:02:30 no, virtually 22:02:46 oerjan, more unvirtually you mean. 22:03:04 * oerjan stomps on AnMaster some more for disagreeing |_|_|_|_| 22:03:09 * AnMaster dodges 22:03:49 hm this foot is too small and easily dodgeable 22:03:54 also that was a less uninstopdededers 22:04:01 |_|_|_|_| |_|_|_|_| |_|_|_|_| |_|_|_|_| 22:04:07 uninstompdededers* 22:04:16 * oerjan uses an apatosaurus foot this time |__|__|__|__|__| 22:04:17 lament, no luck 22:04:21 also afk for a bit 22:04:26 * AnMaster leaves the room 22:04:33 patosaurus!!! 22:04:48 'patasaurus!!! 22:05:10 petasaurus!!! 22:05:20 PITAsaurus 22:06:01 Asztal: er, your routine produces upside down images 22:06:02 I'm pretty sure 22:07:00 ehird: aw o+ au!j >|oo| hay+ 22:07:08 what 22:08:05 * oerjan carefully moves away from the ehird black hole 22:08:39 and by that i mean you seem particularly dense 22:09:41 :( 22:10:26 hint: it was a comment on your previous one 22:10:39 vut 22:10:48 Asztal: er, your routine produces upside down images 22:10:58 was your text meant to be upside down 22:11:01 I tried to read it lik ethat 22:11:17 well within the limits of ASCII 22:14:31 -!- FireFly has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 22:15:21 ehird: odd, I don't really remember 22:15:33 I probably only tried it on symmetrical images :D 22:17:12 Asztal: in fact, it flips it horizontally too 22:17:14 well 22:17:17 it swaps x and y coords 22:17:21 impressive 22:17:26 in a 100 px image (99,0) is the top left. 22:17:48 -!- jix has quit ("..."). 22:21:14 -!- FireFly has joined. 22:21:54 * oerjan swats FireFly -----### 22:22:58 :< 22:23:00 :<< 22:23:56 what <-- didn't you once claim that was my typical comment. Fail. 22:23:58 hah, i knew they were legs 22:24:03 no way you have two mouths 22:24:27 heh 22:25:52 ehird, idea: unless performance critical just flip the image afterwards? 22:26:03 i'd prefer to output a correct tga 22:26:05 not hard to fix 22:26:11 what <-- didn't you once claim that was my typical comment. Fail. 22:26:19 I've been saying "what" for years 22:26:36 it doesn't mean "what?" it means "i seeeeeee". 22:29:05 oh 22:29:40 * oerjan notes certain things take on a completely new meaning then 22:29:57 ehird: aw o+ au!j >|oo| hay+ 22:29:57 what 22:30:00 vut 22:30:09 exactly 22:30:09 ehird, no it means "what" in that context 22:30:25 ehird could've been confused by oerjan telling him he's dense. 22:30:37 AnMaster: I know what I meant, thanks. 22:31:30 ----------------------------- 22:31:30 | | | 22:31:30 | | | 22:31:30 | | | -------------- 22:31:30 | | | | 22:31:32 | | | | 22:31:33 -------|--------------------- 22:31:35 | 22:31:37 | 22:31:39 | 22:32:01 What's that? A gigantic swatter? :< 22:32:04 a lisp cons cell. see http://labs.aezenix.com/lispm/skins/common/images/cons-chip-80.jpg 22:32:12 Ah, well, close one 22:32:15 it can probably swat flies too, though 22:33:32 sleep -> 22:34:45 more like swat elephants 22:38:20 I think TGA has two bits in the header you can set to flip the TGA in x or y 22:39:06 | 8 | 2 | X Origin of Image. | 22:39:06 | | | Integer ( lo-hi ) X coordinate of the lower left corner | 22:39:06 | | | of the image. | 22:39:06 | | | | 22:39:09 | 10 | 2 | Y Origin of Image. | 22:39:16 | | | Integer ( lo-hi ) Y coordinate of the lower left corner | 22:39:17 | | | of the image. | 22:39:18 ? 22:39:19 oh 22:39:20 | | | Bit 5 - screen origin bit. | 22:39:30 | | | 0 = Origin in lower left-hand corner. | 22:39:31 | | | 1 = Origin in upper left-hand corner. | 22:39:32 doesn't help for the other problem 22:40:08 didn't help either 22:47:28 ehird, a cons chip 22:47:28 ? 22:47:30 details? 22:47:36 sure, it's a lisp machine 22:47:45 ehird, wow, one cons cell per chip? 22:47:45 an MIT CONS, to be specific 22:47:49 AnMaster: er, no. 22:47:55 that's just the logo of the machines. 22:47:55 ah right 22:47:59 I see 22:48:02 righ 22:48:04 right* 22:48:09 hi comex 23:03:04 Has anyone here played around with WireWorld? 23:03:35 i want a lisp machine 23:03:42 bsmntbombdood: ditto. 23:03:53 we should design one on an fpga 23:03:56 fuck yes 23:04:02 that would be pretty fucking #esoteric 23:04:05 and awesome 23:04:07 yes 23:04:12 end the scourge of computing slums 23:04:13 or whatever 23:04:25 bsmntbombdood: y'know, now I cannot die until that is done. 23:04:31 i have temporary immortality! 23:05:46 as opposed to spatial immortality 23:06:26 spatial immortality is provided by formalin 23:06:45 ah. 23:07:58 from this we conclude that the clue to full immortality is to find a way to transport formalin faster than light. 23:22:04 so how do you do gc in hardware? 23:23:13 bsmntbombdood: iirc, you don't 23:23:20 you offer the neccessary hooks for the language to do it 23:23:27 how do you facilitate fast gc in hardware 23:23:35 bsmntbombdood: you don't actually run lisp on the hardware -- you still compile -- just it's an instruction set suited for lisp 23:23:41 also, I'm not really sure 23:23:46 hooks into finding objects, or something like that 23:26:10 you can probably make continuations nicer with hardware support 23:26:56 yes 23:27:09 bsmntbombdood: look up 'orthogonal persistence' 23:27:19 it's totally suited to a lisp machine 23:28:52 14:56:22 chat bots are stupid 23:28:52 14:56:35 please stop talking about them 23:28:53 14:56:38 everyone 23:28:53 14:56:40 in the world 23:31:29 hmmm 23:31:46 if the operating system supports it, you can do copying gc without copying 23:32:10 a modern lisp machine would totally make me stop hating computers 23:32:17 goddamn x86 23:41:02 so bsmntbombdood. have it on my desk by tomorrow 23:41:15 kay 23:41:20 woot 23:49:08 from this we conclude that the clue to full immortality is to find a way to transport formalin faster than light. <-- :D 23:51:39 It's just Logic, Sir 23:52:12 and a little bit of special relativity. 23:52:56 O, Wise Oerjan, would you please describe the logical steps to teach that conclusion. 23:52:58 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit ("'night everybody"). 23:54:06 * AnMaster prods oerjan 23:54:21 s/teach/reach/ 23:54:35 Why, to get full immortality we must naturally have both temporal and spatial immortality, as mentioned above. 23:55:03 Also, formalin allows us spatial immortality, also above. 23:55:21 oerjan, yes, indeed, but you got temporal immortality due to wanting to complete a Lisp Machine 23:55:29 ... that was me. 23:55:30 Not I 23:55:36 well true 23:55:44 also, it was temporary 23:55:45 "you" in the generic sense here 23:55:45 not temporal 23:55:47 oerjan was punning 23:55:49 ehird, oh right 23:55:54 AnMaster: "you" cannot be generic there 23:56:01 so where did you end up faster than light 23:56:04 "but you gain temporal immortality" would be valid 23:56:09 ehird, more less unyous 23:56:11 AnMaster: #esoteric 23:56:38 ah of course... #esoteric explains it 23:56:39 ... 23:56:41 duh 23:57:01 By special relativity, space can be converted into time by a suitable change of speed. For full conversion, however, faster than light travel is necessary. Q.E.D. 23:58:08 oerjan, right 23:59:23 ehird, you still like small talk right? 23:59:30 Smalltalk, yes. small talk, no. 23:59:33 Visual Smalltalk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VistaSmalltalk 23:59:37 basically 23:59:40 -_-