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The rest is subject to garbage collection and reallocation. 09:31:34 so? 09:32:19 To speed up calculation, store every number to be used in some collection. :) 09:54:45 -!- DH__ has joined. 09:55:27 -!- DH__ has left (?). 09:55:35 -!- DH__ has joined. 10:07:02 http://www.makelinux.net/kernel_map 10:07:05 cool 11:35:29 -!- FireFly has joined. 12:01:16 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 12:41:45 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:51:13 -!- MizardX has quit ("Bittifying"). 14:01:28 02:01 comex: well, at least you're trying to be nice to goethe 14:01:32 itym /query ehird 14:02:11 AnMaster: nice page apart from the "ISRAEL IS AWESOME" link in the bottom right. 14:02:19 ehird, indeed 14:02:28 ehird, I didn't notice that link before btw 14:02:43 I was so busy looking at the interesting map 14:02:54 i should put like, a link supporting pedophillia in the corner of all my highly interesting technical documents 14:03:01 then nobody will criticize any part apart from that one 14:03:14 hah 14:04:26 http://linuxdriver.co.il/israel/hamas_and_press <- hamas are evil, black and wear green headbands. 14:04:28 ic 14:04:41 also, their children are shaped like elongated eggs 14:07:58 hi ais523 14:08:29 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:09:20 -!- Judofyr has joined. 14:09:27 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 14:20:43 AnMaster: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linuxdna-supercharges-linux-intel-cc-compiler 14:22:40 ehird, AMD here 14:22:53 doesn't icc work for amd? 14:22:59 ehird, yeah but it is slower than gcc 14:23:01 on amd 14:23:02 ah 14:23:18 ehird, it isn't like Intel have any interest in making it good on amd... 14:23:22 true 14:23:27 AnMaster: that's pretty bad, since gcc is one of the slowest compilers... 14:24:07 ehird, slowest as in compile time or generating slow code? Or both? 14:24:12 latter 14:24:22 although gcc(1)'s execution time is pretty dismal, I don't know how that compares to others 14:24:34 ehird, iirc clang is a lot faster. 14:24:41 but of course it is far from ready yet 14:24:44 yes, clang(1) is faster 14:24:49 tcc is way way faster btw... 14:24:58 but it only does basic constant folding iirc 14:25:00 but, gcc's generated code pales in comparison to the vast majority of other compilers, iirc 14:25:04 (mostly commercial) 14:25:07 ehird, true 14:25:20 it is a bit better in recent versions however 14:25:43 I mean, compare GCC 3.4 to GCC 4.3 for example... 14:25:57 I only have 4.0.1 14:26:12 because that's what comes with Apple's latest devtools, and I could upgrade it manually but I wouldn't get apple's mods 14:26:28 and I don't feel like finding out if it'd break something 14:26:46 I have 3.4.6, 4.1.2, 4.2.1, 4.3. 14:26:56 AnMaster: incidentally, I experienced an insanely bad bug in my gcc yesterday 14:26:59 as in major breakage 14:27:08 maybe if I give you a console log you can explain it? 14:27:10 it's very simple 14:27:10 I mean, only archlinux would make a compiler hit stable a few days after it was released... 14:27:20 ehird, sure 14:27:22 tell me 14:27:30 and file a bug after checking the last gcc ;) 14:27:34 4.0.1 is kind of old 14:27:41 it's almost certainly not a gcc bug 14:28:04 ehird, also llvm-gcc uses apple mods. llvm-gcc is on 4.2.1 currently iirc 14:28:35 apple have heavily invested in llvm so I'm not surprised 14:28:39 indeed 14:28:49 ehird, so what is this bug you hit? 14:28:53 AnMaster: http://pastie.org/404648.txt?key=kjkf82sgtymwyt44eapphq 14:29:00 warning: your eyes will pop out in shock at the WTFiness 14:29:02 key? 14:29:04 huh 14:29:17 oh, I set it as a private paste so it doesn't show up in the recent pastes list 14:29:35 hm 14:29:43 AnMaster: but yeah, surely the cpp can't be THAT horrifically broken?!?! 14:29:50 err 14:29:57 ehird, something is wrong yes. 14:30:07 terribly wrong.. 14:30:12 maybe (haven't checked) cpp standalone defaults to --traditional or something? 14:30:21 what's the opposite of --traditional? 14:30:34 also, this works on a recent version of gcc/linux, so I doubt that 14:30:48 ehird, don't know, and don't remember if the exact option name was that. Was just trying to come up with a hypothesis 14:31:01 * AnMaster checks man page now 14:31:32 yeah I looked 14:31:37 but couldn't find anything relevant 14:31:50 the person who tested it on linux thinks it's apple shipping a broken gcc 14:31:59 but I find it hard to believe their gcc team is that incompetent 14:32:15 ehird, my cpp does it correctly 14:32:19 4.1.2 14:32:21 * ehird nod. 14:32:29 $ cpp --version 14:32:29 cpp (GCC) 4.1.2 20070214 ( (gdc 0.24, using dmd 1.020)) (Gentoo 4.1.2 p1.1) 14:32:36 ... 14:32:38 that's your gdc cpp 14:32:40 ? lol 14:32:43 ehird, no 14:32:48 "( (gdc 0.24, using dmd 1.020))" 14:32:54 ehird, the same version string is appeneded to all of gcc 14:32:55 -_- 14:32:57 ah 14:33:00 extremely stupid yes 14:33:03 AnMaster: you're meant to install gdc separately :P 14:33:21 ehird, hm? Just turned on the d useflag for GCC 14:33:28 right, that's wrong 14:33:35 you're meant to have a separate gcc called gdc 14:33:46 ehird, I do, but all are built at once 14:33:47 it seems 14:33:51 *shrug* 14:33:51 weird 14:34:27 ehird, I mean it builds g++, gcc, gfortan, gdc, whatever-the-objc-one-is-called 14:34:44 --enable-languages=c,c++,d,objc,treelang,fortran 14:34:49 mm 14:34:49 according to gcc -v 14:34:56 oh well, gdc is obsolete anyway 14:35:11 ehird, yeah, so is this gcc and your mom :P 14:35:33 except that's literally; the creator of the d language has said about as much and the last release was in 2070 14:35:35 *2007 14:35:57 +/- 63 years 14:36:17 quite 14:37:40 btw, did you know gdb includes large part of binutils in the source tarball? 14:37:52 no, but I am not surprised. 14:38:21 ehird, and that gcc has it's own modified copy of libtool included? 14:38:25 wow, #macosx is so pointless to be in. it's all random chatter about bullshit and cannabis, and not one bit of os x talk 14:38:29 for internal use during building 14:38:43 i know this because I left it on when going to sleep so I have a full nightsworth of logs. 14:38:55 AnMaster: O_O 14:39:05 ehird, well, that is because everything just works on OS X, so they have nothing else to talk about ;P 14:39:23 ha 14:40:35 ehird, oh and that gcc use autoconf but not automake. 14:40:48 that's not surprising 14:40:58 gcc's fucked up enough that automake would probably be impossible 14:41:14 yeah 14:41:27 it's enough to make kernighan disown C... 14:41:30 ehird, actually some parts of it use automake 14:42:03 libjava, libstdc++ and a few other 14:42:07 but nost most parts 14:42:18 which reminds me that I was going to write an article on how to kern Han characters and sign it Brian W Kerninghan 14:42:45 ehird, that pun is too bad even for me to say it... 14:42:49 :) 14:43:05 err that was not grammatically correct, was it? 14:43:52 i think it might be technically correc 14:43:52 t 14:43:55 but it was very awkawrd 14:43:56 *awkward 14:44:04 'that pun is too bad for me to even say it' would be more idiomatic 14:44:08 and yes, I know that's less logic 14:44:08 al 14:44:33 err that wouldn't be the same 14:44:38 it is 14:44:54 it's one of the most ridiculous idioms 14:45:06 the first one implied it was so bad it was even worse than my bad jokes :P 14:45:12 so does mine 14:45:22 it's just an unintuitive idiom 14:45:54 hmm ok... it *seems* to mean that it is so bad that I would never say it (and not implying in any way that I make bad jokes) 14:46:13 well 14:46:24 AnMaster: try 'that pun is too bad for even me to say it' 14:46:35 hm ok 14:49:22 Even pun, that too bad is, for me to say it is. Even. 14:49:40 I hope I didn't miss any words. 14:50:25 pun bad too is me say even for 14:51:32 ehird, another cool thing: valgrind itself doesn't use system libc, but has it's own one that it uses internally. And then I'm not talking about redirecting malloc() and such... 14:51:36 the original, "that pun is too bad even for me to say it...", seemed fine to me 14:51:46 AnMaster: O_O 14:51:54 Asztal^_^: 'even for me to' is bad 14:52:01 ehird, iirc it can't use system libc since it need to do stuff before libc is loaded 15:05:23 aaabdeeefhiimnnooooprsstttttuvy. Now the letters are more ordered. 15:05:23 ehird, for more info see docs/internals/why-no-libc.txt in the valgrind source tarball 15:05:23 i'd use valgrind if it supported my platform 15:05:23 ehird, yeah, but porting valgrind isn't easy 15:05:23 considering it does all sort of strange tricks 15:05:23 mm 15:05:23 Darwin/x86 is marked "high" in valgrind's "porting plans" priority table. Dated Feb 1, 2007. Lacking suitably interested people, I guess. 15:05:23 Heh 15:05:23 ehird, maybe you could help! 15:05:23 AnMaster: I'm not too hot on the internal details of Darwin/Mach 15:05:23 true 15:05:24 ehird, hm it would probably be harder than porting to other *nix on x86 since you can't reuse the ELF stuff even 15:05:24 yes 15:05:24 doesn't valgrind work on freebsd iirc? 15:05:24 i think so 15:05:24 though iirc it works better on linux 15:05:24 it still saddens me that we even need tools like valgrind, being able to leak memory shouldn't be something you can do by accident... 15:05:24 On the other hand: "There are experimental ppc32/darwin and x86/FreeBSD ports for Valgrind 2.X. They could be made to work with 3.X with some effort." 15:05:24 ehird, or use uninitialised variables? 15:05:24 I've followed a "with some effort" pointer before, fizzie. That way lies madness. 15:05:24 or have tread race conditions 15:05:24 thread* 15:05:24 AnMaster: what the fuck is an uninitialized variable anyway 15:05:24 variables store a value 15:05:24 from a theoretical point of view, an uninitialized variable is just ridiculous 15:05:24 ehird, in C it is like this: int foo(int bar) { int quux; return quux + bar; } 15:05:24 yes, well, that's C for you 15:05:24 i presume it made sense in the 70s 15:05:24 ehird, true. Valgrind is for languages like C and C++ 15:05:24 and gets() also made sense in the 70s... 15:05:24 which are still used 15:05:24 ehird, no way gets() made sense even back then 15:05:24 sure it did 15:05:24 explain please... 15:05:24 if you didn't listen to the program when it told you to enter up to 30 characters you got fired 15:05:28 because your job was to operate the programs 15:05:32 hah 15:05:44 there weren't any malicious users 15:05:47 it's like trying to break your toaster 15:05:50 you can do it, but who does 15:06:13 if they were network connected I'm sure we would have lots of toaster hackers... 15:06:25 now THAT'S some criminal activity I could get into 15:06:28 because then you can break someone else' toaster... 15:06:39 "i pwnt ur toaster" 15:06:46 "now it burnz all your bread. and ur hand." 15:06:46 someone else's? 15:06:48 or what 15:06:49 "HAHAHAHAHAHA" 15:07:13 I'm sure spammers would hack toasters to burn viagra ads to all bread. 15:07:32 should just burn the viagra into the bread. 15:07:32 fizzie, you got a dangerous mind... 15:07:41 "Now you've had a sneak peek, why not buy some more?" 15:07:50 -_- 15:07:56 anyway. 15:08:01 "someone else's"? 15:08:03 AnMaster: I'm more worried about the unholy scramjet-equipped cyborg pigeons, an abomination against nature. 15:08:06 or how do you say that... 15:08:08 someone else's is valid syntax. 15:08:19 ehird, really? it looks very weird 15:08:25 not to me 15:08:28 hm 15:08:33 what looks odd to be is omitting the s after s' 15:08:33 SEP field is the Somebody Else's Problem field. 15:08:42 ehird, true that looks worse 15:08:50 my brain doesn't mentally parse the invisible s 15:08:58 ehird, but trying saying it out loud? 15:09:02 with the s 15:09:02 yet most style guides recommend it 15:09:05 AnMaster: sure, you repeat the s 15:09:09 "Joneses" 15:09:17 Come to think of it, I haven't seen any programmable-image toasters, just boring fixed-image ones. Certainly in 2009 it should be possible to read toast-pictures from an USB stick or something. 15:09:22 ehird, sure, but to me it seems weird after "else" 15:09:29 shrug 15:09:36 which isn't a noun or pronoun (sp?). 15:09:37 "elseses" 15:09:49 also, it's a (pronoun*) 15:09:54 Elsifs. 15:09:56 pointer dereferencing is implicit 15:10:10 also scramjet is fun... 15:10:30 "Things you should know: the Illuminati is run by reptilian astral entities known throughout history as Djinn, Nagas, Sheti, Angels/Demons, Dragons, Drucul etc. that rule the higher echelons of Freemasonry and do foul sex&torture rituals usually with young children getting eaten. They'll probably stage terror attacks soon, then will come an American union(WW3 too) & a staged alien invasion w/Draconian-saviours! Get storable food, support Stewart Swerd 15:10:31 low, Alex Jones, Dr.Deagle & David Icke!" 15:10:33 — Youtube 15:10:38 Thanks for the info. 15:10:51 how much shorter travel time for Europe-US could you get with a scramjet aircraft? 15:10:55 compared to a Concorde or such 15:11:01 AnMaster: scramjet cyborg pigeon? 15:11:05 they travel faster than light. 15:11:16 before you start talkin' physics, they're an abomination against nature, remember? 15:11:18 ehird, not those, I mean a scramjet aircraft 15:11:24 oh. those are boring. 15:11:32 ehird, still they are quite fast 15:11:53 anyway scramjet cyborg pigeon aren't an abomination against nature. unholy scramjet-equipped cyborg pigeons are 15:11:59 there is a important difference there 15:12:19 scramjet cyborg pigeon are just dead. 15:12:43 pigeons* 15:12:46 15:08 ehird: AnMaster: I'm more worried about the unholy scramjet-equipped cyborg pigeons, an abomination against nature. 15:12:47 i said unholy 15:12:53 ehird, AnMaster: scramjet cyborg pigeon? 15:12:55 not there 15:12:55 :P 15:13:03 sure, but I missed the abomination part too 15:13:13 before you start talkin' physics, they're an abomination against nature, remember? 15:13:22 that implied they were 15:13:22 and i said unholy before 15:13:36 ehird, ah so you just forgot a word then there 15:13:39 right 15:14:35 Hmm, this "introduction to AI" course programming-assignment/AI-tournament thing is proving to be rather popular this year too. 36 groups already registered. 15:15:02 fizzie: wait, finns doing AI? shit. shit. robot invasion soon. 15:15:09 stealing food and securing house -> 15:15:54 ehird, you sould like Randall... 15:16:11 we share common safety instincts 15:16:42 ehird, well in his case it is those velicoraptors or whatever the name was. 15:16:46 We already had this tournament thing last year, and all we got was a couple of Java classes that play a board game. Your fears might be exaggerationary. 15:17:01 fizzie: but _oklopol_ might be in this one. 15:17:03 Calicoraptors. They are more tasteful. 15:17:04 do you see? 15:17:11 Calicoraptors. They are more tasteful. <-- ? 15:18:30 I was partially referring to the (according to WP) US term for this cat-colorization: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tortie-flame.jpg -- but you can interpret it as you like. 15:19:57 I'm not sure what to make of the summary. It says "Tortoiseshell Cat. -- tortoiseshells have no white fur" but the cat in question does have some white. Unless it's just an overexposed photo, but I don't think so. 15:21:36 http://zem.fi/~fis/abominations.txt -- my 'cut'-based approach for separating the speaker's nickname didn't really understand a CTCP ACTIONy comment, but on the other hand it looks much more hilarious that way. 15:22:04 :DDD 15:22:17 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:23:00 ehird: You are the undisputed abomination-leader, though. 15:23:15 wait, what? 15:23:19 I abomin all the time. 15:23:25 oerjan: http://zem.fi/~fis/abominations.txt. 15:23:26 A happy accident. 15:24:23 oerjan, Hello 15:24:24 oh well. 15:24:35 hi there 15:24:51 oerjan, read IWC? 15:25:03 x_x 15:25:18 ehird, I was asking first this time... That is much better 15:25:26 AYEEEH 15:26:42 i see kyros's logic is impeccable as usual 15:27:33 indeed a good summary of what I was going to say 15:27:55 also a good summary of the annotation, i see 15:28:15 well, given a certain leap in logic 15:28:24 er, i mean 15:28:38 it stands to reason that's also a good summary of the annotation. 15:28:52 er 15:28:54 what? 15:29:33 i think you really need to work on your logic :D 15:31:22 it stands to reason that I don't 15:32:12 X = it stands to reason that X. 15:32:12 well then we agree 15:32:14 In X. 15:32:58 ehird: it stands to reason that you have not understood today's IWC. 15:32:59 ehird, X therefore Y, Y therefore X 15:33:35 it stands to reason that it stands to reason 15:33:57 '??җ??Ati???ը?k?֣?"H9?[Ä>??\GF?4?<$F?` 15:33:57 y`W???׃?? 15:33:58 ??r%??3?hD?????T?????4?U?Ž5`?$?9aAEY?3c??jl¨jWq?? G??=?JL???49W?,户??͎x?k??m@5s????]??C?ʪBɊ׌?b5\??I??kNfK? 15:34:01 lI??? 15:34:03 ~??ސ˺??R=??J?!s?u??(]I$[?"h`f??S????X* ?0≞?]%??CGL???ϼJ??݅?n?5?E'E?????' 15:34:06 Gc?'?(?J˿X???L???OLY?W?T??V?R$D*?8g??89f??Z?#u?YAs ?JydZWǵ"?3??-?\?"??? 15:34:07 hm mezzacotta hall of fame is picking up again 15:34:09 don't dump binary data on irc... 15:34:09 o&?#!v???>?~?ڑ?n? ?|<=??G????:[}???????????4'Rnl???G??l?UrbfV??Xqɘ????,?wb?u?Iv???o???`#J???#?N?.?DS»q?,u0???F?h"????(F?6?ރ????i?????;???????L?3?>? 15:34:12 ehird, stop it 15:34:13 V???[Y?ރ0o?f 15:34:15 ...stands to reason. 15:34:16 I meant to put that before but failed. 15:34:17 ah 15:34:21 Oh honestly, get yourself a decent client :P 15:34:28 Surely it could filter out garbage? 15:34:28 i assume that contains some unicode 15:34:33 ehird, actually it did 15:34:34 also, that's longer than I intended. 15:34:39 but it was still spammy 15:34:42 my terminal font is smaller, see 15:35:31 ehird, fun thing to annoy users with default irssi settings: /exec -o echo -e \\007 15:35:39 adjust for your client syntax 15:35:45 :P 15:36:04 don't know if +c filters that 15:36:08 that'd be a nice flooding script 15:36:11 +c filters colours and bold and such 15:36:19 just tack a bunch of \\007s on to your regular flood message 15:36:24 ehird, did your client beep? 15:36:28 no 15:36:31 good 15:36:33 I also need a new computer. What should I get? 15:36:35 but it's a gui one 15:36:41 so it's unlikely to react to terminal codes 15:36:41 ehird, mine filters it 15:36:47 -!- oklopol has quit (Connection reset by peer). 15:36:50 +c filters all non-printable-unicode 15:36:51 a black hole. that should have maximal information density. 15:36:51 I think 15:36:54 well, apart from things like \1 15:37:00 ehird, hm certain mirc versions *did* beep on \007 iirc 15:37:11 also \\007 is just to escape it to echo... 15:37:16 (and bash) 15:37:29 well, mirc emulates a terminal pretty much 15:37:35 including the select-is-copy behaviour 15:37:53 ehird, +c doesn't. I saw a box saying [0722] in what you pasted above. Which is not printable 15:38:06 Hm. 15:38:17 ab 15:38:22 See anything there? 15:38:25 I guess \7 isn't copyable./ 15:38:26 yes: ab 15:38:30 har har 15:38:50 "want" is to "need" as "theory" is to "fact" ... once you start getting technical, they're all the same :P 15:38:53 and no, byte 7 isn't copyable 15:39:13 err that was ambiguous 15:39:14 necessity is the mother of death, as i might say more often. 15:39:15 anwyay 15:39:16 anyway* 15:40:52 "want" is to "need" as "theory" is to "fact" ... once you start getting technical, they're all the same :P 15:41:01 that kind of thinking is unscientific and ultimately destructive 15:41:17 also, their children are shaped like elongated eggs 15:41:21 but are they kosher? 15:41:39 oh lawd 15:41:52 maybe not put the israelis on that idea 15:43:00 * oerjan has no clue whether that is grammatical 15:45:45 think so 15:46:10 wow, #macosx is so pointless to be in. it's all random chatter about bullshit and cannabis, and not one bit of os x talk 15:46:22 let me guess, you're going to 15:46:26 take "bullshit" literally 15:46:30 c/d 15:46:31 maybe it means cannabis in some foreign language 15:46:39 WRONG! 15:46:46 Ah yes, the veritable "Macosx plant". 15:46:49 er what's c/d? 15:46:53 confirm/deny 15:47:15 yay, i managed to comply without understanding 15:49:32 07:05:47 it's like trying to break your toaster 15:49:32 07:05:50