00:06:13 i don't get it 00:06:20 00:05 ImInYourMonad: data Pointer x = Cell x (Pointer x) | End x deriving(Show) , that is a a tree, bad rep of a pointer? 00:06:26 i hate newbies making BF interps badly,. 00:09:10 00:09 ImInYourMonad: Gracenotes: ok i had 2 questions in one, 1. should i use Parsec? 2. if i dont, how cna i use < and > for my own purpose? 00:09:18 does he know how to write an interpreter? 00:09:27 he doesn't know much at all. 00:09:37 lament: ah, is he an idiot? 00:09:43 no, he's just new 00:09:44 I got that impression, wasn't sure. 00:09:49 same thing. 00:15:26 he's in my monad 00:17:53 perv 00:19:45 00:18 tromp_: from 9th instruction on, there's no more appending to the data? 00:19:50 about http://esolangs.org/wiki/BCT#Example 00:19:52 is he right 00:19:53 ? 00:22:51 "The Software was not designed to operate after December 31, 1999" - dmd backendlicense.txt 00:34:47 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:36:51 lament: kudos on your... creation 00:44:32 Robdgreat: Try "abomination" 00:46:07 I was being kind 00:46:27 not to mention I have a special appreciation for such musical novelties 00:46:45 abomination is a good thing 00:47:15 fair enough 00:48:39 you guys suck 00:48:49 lament: what, I like it 00:51:37 hey I like it too 00:58:18 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 01:02:41 err that ofortuna thing? 01:03:10 yes 01:03:14 i see. 01:03:34 it's only funny if you know what o fortuna is i guess :P 01:06:50 i see. so what is it? 01:07:29 oklopol: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Carl_Orff-Carmina_Burana-O_Fortuna.ogg 01:07:58 how is it funny? 01:07:59 err yeah i know it's that thing 01:08:15 lament: I'm pretty sure gregorr was joking when he came up with it 01:08:16 ... 01:08:18 i just assumed it was something else too because... it's not that funny :P 01:08:27 ehird: i'm pretty sure he wasn't 01:08:39 lament: GregorR never doesn't joke. 01:08:40 oklopol: i'm not sure why it would be funny 01:08:53 lament: you're wrong. 01:48:25 06:07:39 hm, fast integer square root in C... anyone knows anything good? 01:48:27 The quake one. 01:48:33 Fast invert square root I think it is called. 02:05:19 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 02:48:42 I wasn't joking. 02:48:45 I do think it would be good. 02:49:06 Although (re: lament) I was thinking more about swing-like lounge (e.g. Sinatra-style), but yeah. 02:50:41 Or rather, I was joking in that it would obviously be a parody, but I think it would be a good parody :P 03:14:43 -!- Sgeo has joined. 03:28:50 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 03:33:51 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 03:41:50 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 04:36:40 -!- Slereah has joined. 04:48:35 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 05:05:21 -!- zzo38 has joined. 05:06:32 -1 interleave 0 makes -2/3 is that correct 05:08:21 I made a unlambda compiler into JavaScript http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/esoteric/unlambda/unlambda/htm but probably some thing are missing, such as continuations called from the outside? 05:08:46 that's pretty important 05:09:36 Yes I know that, but I'm wondering how that is supposed to be implemented. 05:10:13 You look at the source-codes and see what you think about that! I tried to make it compatible with many JavaScript interpreters, instead of only modern versions of Mozilla or such thing as that 05:10:18 GregorR: oh, that sort of lounge 05:13:36 Please tell me if you found anything else missing in the Unlambda compiler into JavaScript 05:14:12 Oops the URL is wrong it is supposed to be http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/esoteric/unlambda/unlambda.htm 05:23:21 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 05:29:02 Oops the URL is wrong it is supposed to be http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/esoteric/unlambda/unlambda.htm 05:29:58 Which you like better Forth or Lisp? 05:31:35 How can I make a continuation called from the outside to be compiled into a Javascript codes 05:31:46 What is the best way 05:37:53 -!- zzo38 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:43:02 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit. 07:34:14 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 07:44:35 -!- impomatic has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:10:43 -!- impomatic has quit ("mov.i #1,1"). 08:25:25 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("Client Excited"). 08:32:52 -!- tombom has joined. 09:19:57 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 09:41:26 Relative amount of chatter caused by the noisiest people, at any particular time-of-day (in Finland's timezone, EET/EEST) over the years 2006-2008: http://zem.fi/~fis/test5.png (test6.png for absolute values). 09:46:50 What is interesting is that for most people there's a definite time when they're not talking much (presumably sleeping), but oklopol and oerjan never sleep. 09:47:06 Conclusive proof of their roboticness? You decide. 09:48:43 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 09:52:24 ;) 09:52:49 so 09:52:59 why are the stripes in a different order from the nicks 09:53:57 -!- Slereah has joined. 09:54:23 For reasons of cosmic importance. 09:54:37 also you could have the overall shape be how much talk actually happened. 09:54:47 That's the test6.png. 09:54:51 you would probably see me and oerjan are just relatively awake. 09:55:01 It's not as good a conclusion. 09:55:06 right great minds 09:55:46 it seems this time is exactly where i need improvement 09:55:55 so i will now flood for 20 minutes straight 09:56:09 no actually i think i'm gonna buy me something nice -> 09:58:22 Also test7 is actually test5 but with a 30-minute hamming window instead of a 30-minute rectangular window for the activity-estimation. 10:04:19 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 10:09:44 is the newest xkcd crappy too? 10:10:24 i have a hard time telling, once i learn to love the characters, anything goes 10:13:04 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 10:13:27 xkcd is always terribler 10:14:50 your nick is tasty 10:14:58 what 10:15:37 hello i'm oklopol i say things that make no sense. 10:16:56 fizzie: could you somehow make test6 show me and oerjan not ever sleeping too? 10:17:08 also i guess i could've used a "never" back there 10:17:33 oklopol: The day before yesterday a speech synthesizer said to me: muskottikukan masennus juustouttaa enteellisesti pikkuisilta. 10:18:02 that's a beautiful sentence 10:18:24 especially "muskottikukan masennus" 10:18:35 oklopol: It continued with: Nahistivatko keihäänheittäjät muistioiden tavoin lamatilaa? Ennakkotilausten virkapaikat läiskäyttelevät lupsakkaasti geofysikaalisilta. 10:19:48 "läiskäyttelevät lupsakkaasti", awesome :D 10:20:17 lacks some integrity when you combine them tho, although i've seen worse 10:20:20 Supposedly the content was some random nonsense, but maybe there was a personality of some sort involved somewhere. 10:20:55 anyway turns out "rektio" isn't "rection" in english, but "case government", at least according to this one online dictionary 10:21:09 this is not good because i had a great erection pun. 10:21:41 also random content generated by what, where? 10:22:17 i mean that's apart from the "case government" errors, that's pretty perfect. 10:23:10 I don't know what generated it; it was just a speech synthesis evaluation test I was asked to listen to and fill. 10:23:32 well was it good? 10:24:03 It was better than what I thought it would be, but not very natural. 10:24:20 I think I kept one of those files at http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/mp3.mp3 10:24:39 (Since someone on another channel said "mp3s or did not happen".) 10:24:52 hmm 10:25:20 well the voice sounds pretty natural, just not the... whaddyacallit :) 10:26:16 It's some sort of HMM-based synthesis, where they use the speech recognition speaker adaptation stuff to mangle things so that you can feed it speech, and then the synthesized output will sound like the same person. 10:26:20 i think the main problem is all words are stressed pretty much equally 10:26:30 yeah i assumed 10:26:56 because that sounds like sampled clips from a real human 10:27:08 Well, as far as I know it's actually not. 10:27:14 except it is still very close to the canonical computer voice 10:27:25 so that's would be a clue to the other direction 10:27:57 fizzie: maybe it's recorded clips from a commercial speech synhesizer? 10:28:03 *synthesizer 10:28:57 also i guess i forgot completely about the shop. 10:29:07 It shouldn't be concatenative synthesis (i.e. recorded clips) at all. At least in the strict sense of recorded waveforms. Certainly it's based on speech that a real person has spoken, though. 10:29:29 I don't know the details, it's not my project. I think the web-evaluation was part of the http://www.emime.org/ project. 10:29:50 Given that their goal is "personalised speech-to-speech translation, such that the a user’s spoken input in one language 10:30:00 is used to produce spoken output in another language, while continuing to sound like the user’s voice", at least they don't aim low. 10:30:10 ha 10:30:11 :D 10:30:45 could be useful in a movie where bond needs to know armenian. 10:31:24 anyway the shop, which i guess would be mcdonalds in this case -> 10:35:44 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 11:49:50 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 11:57:35 So, regarding xkcd. 11:57:54 If lack of correlation implies lack of causation, then correlation implies causation. 11:58:11 Where "implies" means "suggests" more than "logically requires". 11:58:44 -!- Jophish has joined. 12:01:26 yeah that's not true 12:01:47 at least not in any real sense 12:07:29 -!- jix has joined. 12:24:07 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:25:47 But I'm surprised that the glagolitic capital letter spidery ha was free-for-taking at ..ws. Would have thought someone had already used it. 12:26:02 O_o 12:33:39 What is interesting is that for most people there's a definite time when they're not talking much (presumably sleeping), but oklopol and oerjan never sleep. 12:33:44 * oerjan cackles evilly 12:33:54 bots don't cackle. 12:34:04 true that. 12:34:07 * oklopol goes back to sleep 12:37:21 also, tusho = ehird 12:38:23 Well, yes, but a silly Perl script can't be expected to know that sort of stuff. 12:39:20 also, the colors on the graph and on the descriptions don't match 12:40:01 hm oklopol already implied that 12:40:32 Sure they do, they're just in a different-ish order. Namely, reversed. 12:41:12 except "Others" 12:41:15 yeah, it's an iq test to know whether the colors or the nicks are out of order 12:41:43 i assume Others is really at the bottom :D 12:41:58 If you must know, the ordering is such that all "others" go to an array index 0, while array indices 1..N correspond to the top-N noisiest people, with index 1 being the noisiest; then I draw indices 0..N from bottom to top, but the nick-list in the "sensible order" for indices 1..N, and then 'Others' separately just so that it doesn't look like a nickname. 12:42:53 but should i trust the colors or the order? 12:42:58 The colors. 12:43:00 Trust the colors. 12:43:00 colors 12:43:07 you know, the colors. 12:43:16 trust them 12:43:57 Green is not an enemy, like a well-known Windows media-player vizualization name says. Or something like that, anyway; I just remember the Finnish translation. 12:44:12 ("Vihreä ei ole vihollinen.") 12:46:14 actually the absolute graph shows that oklopol and i are not really constant, we just are in phase with the channel. 12:46:55 but then so is everyone to a degree 12:47:12 Since it seems to have confused a lot of people, I just flipped the nickname ordering to match the colors. (Unfortunately at the same time I got the more curvaceous hamming-windowed graphs there.) 12:48:51 of course evil rumors will claim that we still have completely messed up sleeping rhythms. 12:49:26 Hmm. I, myself, prefer not sleeping. 12:49:30 ;p 12:50:48 pikhq: wait a minute, by the graph you are not supposed to be here now 12:50:50 While at it, I special-cased ehird and tusho together, so they passed anmaster and achieved the coveted red graph-color. 12:51:35 which gave bsmntbombdood a slot, i see 12:51:51 Yes, and his shape is rather different from the others. 12:51:53 I screw things up by talking at truly random times. 12:52:01 Well, unless you count "Others". 12:52:34 i say we ban that "Others" guy for constantly spamming 12:52:51 I concur. 12:54:28 Hmm. Your script was set up based on who talked most in here? Nice work... 12:56:18 Also, I'm surprised to see that I still register on that... I've not exactly talked that much in here recently. 12:56:39 it's 2006-2008 12:56:45 Ah. 12:57:03 Well, then. 12:57:26 If you want some raw underlying numbers, http://zem.fi/~fis/test5.txt has the total-number-of-lines-in-my-2006-2008-logs. 12:57:55 You can just take #9 and largers ranks to know who to ban to get rid of that annoying "Others" guy. 12:58:26 * pikhq gleefuly bans GregorR. 12:58:57 Fizzie, too. 12:59:09 this is not good because i had a great erection pun. 12:59:18 Wow. 12:59:24 finns are not allowed to do that, only japanese 13:00:08 pikhq: are you shocked and disturbed? 13:00:11 * pikhq goes to consume breakfast, for he has stayed up for it 13:03:12 While at it, I special-cased ehird and tusho together, so they passed anmaster and achieved the coveted red graph-color. <-- ? 13:03:14 context? 13:03:30 21:34 AnMaster: comex, that doing stuff like in http://www.int80h.org/strlen/ is counter productive 13:03:30 get it in your head 13:03:30 THIS IS #ESOTERIC <-- sure 13:03:42 but he seemed to actually want to optimise 13:04:00 AnMaster: Context was http://zem.fi/~fis/test5.png 13:04:23 hm 13:04:36 fizzie, so you combined ehird/tusho. Ok 13:04:47 but what has that got to do with me 13:04:59 + that graph is cool 13:05:12 You used to have the red color; since the nick-list is sorted by the total number of lines seen in the analyzed logs. 13:05:25 fizzie, the scale 0-24: what does it mean? 13:05:41 Hours; it's a time-of-day thing. Hours in EET/EEST, specifically. 13:06:02 fizzie, this is average over day during a period of x months? 13:06:24 During the years 2006-2008, yes. 13:06:27 right 13:06:45 Well, sum, not average, but it's about the same thing since I still haven't added any Y axis scale in there. 13:06:50 makes sense then. Was wondering why some of us were a lot quieter during some months first. 13:06:51 ;) 13:07:26 fizzie, what about you, you are in "others"? 13:07:38 it's a well known fact that we nordics hibernate during winter. 13:07:59 AnMaster: no, his data were removed for security 13:08:11 oerjan, the scale was 0-24, that would imply a 2 year period. and there was only one such point with less activity 13:08:19 so that wouldn't make a lot of sense 13:08:21 Actually I'm deep down in the others, #17; that's in test5.txt at the same directory. 13:08:41 ah but one of the winters was particularly hot 13:08:56 global warming destroying our traditions! 13:09:06 fizzie, hm bsmnt would have the largest line count? 13:09:13 or how do you mean it is sorted? 13:09:32 oerjan, oh right 13:10:03 Well, the colored strips are drawn from bottom-to-top, so I had to flip the nick list ordering from the natural one to match that. So ehird talks the most, you're second, and so on. 13:10:09 hm 13:10:28 it looks like oklopol have about same activity all the time? 13:10:44 Yes, I made a half-hearted joke-attempt about that (and oerjan) already. 13:10:58 There's also test6.png which has the absolute counts, not relative, if you want to see the actual shape of combined activity. 13:11:22 hm 13:11:26 seems my uni career is starting a steep downhill slope. 13:11:34 i almost failed another course today :| 13:11:35 That test5 is more of a "relative percentage of all channel activity at that time of day" thing. 13:11:52 oklopol: Another of your "almost didn't get a 5" failures? 13:11:59 yes :< 13:12:42 i mean i got an email this morning that it was 4/5 because i had explained simulated annealing vaguely, which is a given, because it's a trivial concept. 13:13:08 then, later, i got another email saying he reread it and decided it was a 5/5 13:13:20 -!- Slereah has joined. 13:13:22 but it was a close call 13:13:30 hah 13:13:40 it's a slippery slope 13:14:00 oklopol, I don't know how your system works in Finland, but what is the lowest score for passed? 13:14:17 40%-50% 13:14:28 i think that's a pretty standard university scale 13:15:01 the score above passing is then interpolated onto 1-5 13:15:11 in our system 13:15:45 wth 13:15:49 my mouse gone mad 13:16:04 come sane mousie! 13:16:04 at some locations at the table it wiggles on screen 13:16:16 as in, move 1-2 pixels up/down randomly 13:16:23 sometimes my mouse does the craziest things 13:16:26 even though I'm not touching it 13:16:32 then i realize my left thumb is on the pad 13:16:34 at other positions on the table it works fine 13:16:40 oklopol, I don't use a laptop 13:16:43 so not likely 13:16:47 neither does my mom 13:16:49 no touchpad here 13:16:50 no wait, she does 13:16:58 Here's the total channel-activity from 2003 to end-of-2008, with "one pixel == one day" X axis scale, and Y values taken from line counts in a 30-day surrounding window: http://zem.fi/~fis/test8.png 13:17:11 :D 13:17:35 30 days sounds a bit much, is it at least biased? 13:17:47 well okay 13:17:57 peaks are very visible so i guess it's fine 13:18:11 No, it's just a square window; I left my hamming window in another script. :p (The one doing time-of-day graphs.) 13:18:47 now that's a hamming window? 13:19:22 ... 13:19:23 *what's 13:20:17 oh that's a hamming window 13:20:31 i guess i might've been able to guess it was 13:20:43 maybe the "that's" was because i did know 13:21:08 oklopol: your momma so fat, she uses a desktop for her laptop 13:21:17 :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 13:22:57 fizzie: could you perhaps make it show more nicks? i mean the pre-me's are pretty gray. 13:23:05 fizzie, "and Y values taken from line counts in a 30-day surrounding window" <-- I haven't taken any course in statistics, so what is the reason for that? 13:23:17 probably that it'd be more smooth. 13:23:35 fizzie, what is test7? 13:23:45 it's test5 13:23:47 but smoother 13:23:58 with separate tusho 13:23:59 wait 13:24:00 no 13:24:05 yeah 13:24:29 either 5 was changed, or i'm seeing things again 13:24:32 not only that I think 13:24:46 oklopol, maybe different source data span? 13:24:48 Yes, I accidentally updated test5 with the smoother-looking Hamming window stuff when combining tusho and ehird. 13:24:55 Other than that it should be the same stuff. 13:25:23 And yes, the windowing is for smoothing; typically per-day activity varies quite a lot. 13:25:42 fizzie, test.png? 13:25:43 from this graph we deduce that AnMaster has been present here all since 2003, although he didn't talk that much 13:25:50 :) 13:26:04 yeah i was too polite to say that 13:26:08 Making him quite possibly the oldest regular. 13:26:11 oerjan, I was an idler in the beginning, but I don't think since 2003. more like 2005 13:26:16 oh. 13:26:19 olkopol: test8h.png has that Hamming window. 13:26:25 i thought it was just an anomaly. 13:26:30 Things really exploded recently, it looks like. 13:26:33 It is also an anomaly. 13:26:34 probably is 13:26:39 I wonder what caused that. 13:26:50 LHC? 13:26:53 ehird? 13:27:00 with separate tusho 13:27:13 Try #esoteric. Now with separate tusho included! 13:27:22 anyway, I haven't been here since 2003 13:27:26 I had dialup in 2003 iirc 13:27:33 fizzie: MORE NICKS!! 13:27:36 I got adsl during 2005 or so 13:27:44 So did I. Didn't stop me from being on IRC since '98. 13:27:47 and started using freenode during 2006 13:27:54 or around there 13:27:55 also i demand oklo* be counted as me. 13:27:58 (and I was 8 at the time. *8*.) 13:27:59 maybe in late 2005 13:28:02 not 100% sure 13:28:25 oklopol: I couldn't figure out more suitably different colors, so that's why there are so few nicks. 13:28:35 pikhq: i like your "look how geeky i am!" attitude :D 13:28:58 Bweheheh. 13:29:12 God, I did a lot in '98. 13:29:22 list 13:29:29 That same year, I got into science fiction, programming, and got my current nickname... 13:30:00 fizzie: there are algorithms for that 13:30:25 when i was 8, i just had sex and did drugs 13:30:26 I also met my best friend & current roommate via the Internet... 13:30:37 That same year. 13:30:40 pikhq: the one you've never talked to? 13:30:46 :D 13:30:55 oklopol: No. I moved in with my current roommate ASAP. 13:30:56 would be a cool best friend 13:30:58 I don't remember what test.png was, possibly 2009 jan-feb with some parameters; test2 is test but with absolute counts instead of relative; test3 doesn't exist; test4 is a query of mine; and then we enter the current testX range. 13:31:04 I 13:31:17 I've talked with *him* on a near-daily basis ever since meeting him. 13:31:59 pikhq: i hope he's a real geek too, because you're losing your geekiness points as we speak. 13:32:29 He implemented Dimensifuck. 13:32:35 ah okay, then i guess it's fine 13:32:47 And is a far better coder than I. 13:33:40 also is he here? 13:33:48 my memory is too fuzzy 13:33:51 Nah, though he's shown up a couple of times. 13:34:01 He doesn't IRC much. 13:34:12 i wish i didn't either 13:34:32 ...then maybe i wouldn't fail so much at uni 13:34:49 * oerjan actually laughs at xkcd, despite what you said 13:35:03 i liked it 13:35:29 (btw do you like me bragging about my uni stuff? i first decided to keep it to myself, but then i thought maybe this would fit my irc character better) 13:35:39 (i'm open for requests) 13:37:03 well, maybe i'll do it every now and then. everyone likes a random fluctuation. 13:38:03 email.png is a really complicated MIME message I once received; eso.png is some sort of old gnuplot activity graph, maybe; font00l.png and font00h.png is a small bitmap font; http://zem.fi/~fis/moves.png is a distribution of game lengths of a board game AI tournament; screen.png is my screen status-line; ti86.png would have a long explanation; tmp.png is fungot source. 13:38:03 fizzie: works for me too, 13:38:28 fungot: Yes, I'd assume your source would "work for you". 13:39:07 Why did I repeat the URL for moves.png? That was completely accidental. 13:39:15 * oklopol wants long explanation 8| 13:39:29 What, seriously? 13:39:36 well duh 13:39:39 i want to know everything 13:39:57 I, uh... let's see if I can find the other, accompanying picture first. 13:40:23 i have a hard time not asking personal questions from each and everyone here all the time, and you think i don't want to hear a spänking story 13:40:49 fungot: silent all of a sudden? 13:40:50 oerjan: that's actually the name egg is so cute about japanese culture ( and product packaging) is the basis library. i want to 13:40:54 -!- jix has quit ("..."). 13:41:43 what is fungot doing!! 13:41:44 tombom: differ for understanding that line of thought. primarily to encourage ordered thoughts about things like rfc 822 address parsing, spool handling, etc.) 13:41:50 * oerjan now wishes he had a spänking story to tell 13:42:49 oklopol: http://zem.fi/~fis/slide3pic3.jpg is the accompanying picture. 13:43:09 oklopol: Do you still want the story too? 13:43:34 :o 13:43:36 oh definitely 13:44:25 what the heck is spank anyway? 13:44:30 *spänk 13:44:41 Okay, so we have this university course S-89.3510 "SignaaliProsessorit ja ÄäneNKäsittely" (transl: "DSPs and sound processing"), colloquially called "SPÄNK". 13:45:26 The main project-work of the course is to take one of the DSP dev-kits we have, and write some code on it; there's a list of preselected topics that are allocated with some scheme I've already forgotten. 13:46:15 In any case, our topic was a DSP-based echo effect box. However, course grade is partially based on how impressive a demonstration you can make for your project for a demo-day event arranged at the end of the course. 13:46:49 oerjan: also "spänk" is how you pronounce "spank", if that wasn't obvious 13:47:15 Since we couldn't think of anything very impressive to do with an echo box, we decided to rig a TI-86 calculator to the DSP board so that you can, in real-time, control the echo effect parameters using the calculator. 13:47:51 ti86.png is a screenshot of the control app; I don't really remember what the sliders do, but probably they adjust some delays and amplification constants. 13:47:57 god i'm an idiot 13:48:33 of course they are sliders, the numbers are a direct giveaway 13:48:38 And in slide3pic3.jpg we're trying to make the damn thing to work; at the left side there is an oscilloscope, that's how desperate we were. 13:49:40 The DSP board had a really really advanced programmable serial input controller thing; on the other hand, in the TI-86 there's just two wires you can toggle really slowly. They weren't exactly designed to be interfaced together. 13:50:01 heh 13:50:06 Oh, and we spent about three days fiddling with it before it turned out that the speaker cable I had cannibalized for this use was faulty. 13:50:51 That's a TI TMS320VC5416 DSP chip on that board in the picture. 13:51:23 When you press the enter key in the calculator, it shows a spiffy little animation about the whip spanking, and uploads the slider positions. 13:51:44 We had a webcam connected to my laptop, and the laptop connected to a projector, so we could demo out the calculator controls. 13:52:33 fizzie: Didn't it have an image of the chip next to the whip? 13:54:50 ineiros: Hmm, maybe? I don't have a screenshot of it, just the z80 source code where the picture is given with .db pseudo-instructions. 13:55:25 clearly what was missing here was a _real_ whip as input device. 13:55:43 Hmmh. Wii Whip. 13:55:49 ineiros: You might be right, since the images have symbolic names TextImage, WhipImage and ProcessorImage. 13:55:51 Interesting game ideas. 13:56:19 fizzie: I think the processor image was taken from the slides. 13:57:01 fizzie: They had that nice SP�NK-logo in the corner. 13:57:25 ineiros: How do you remember this stuff? 13:57:51 fizzie: I don't know. I only seem to remember some random collection of trivialities and none of the important stuff. 13:57:58 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 13:58:40 fizzie: https://noppa.tkk.fi/noppa/kurssi/s-89.3510/luennot/esittely.pdf 14:02:05 -!- nice has joined. 14:02:33 -!- nice has changed nick to nice_ka. 14:02:42 ineiros: Right you are. I dumped the picture with a bit of Perl: http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/processor.txt 14:03:10 ineiros: the seventh archduke of sachsen-coburg-gotha had the same problem 14:04:06 Yes, there was that "AAH!" added. 14:04:24 oerjan: Haha. 14:08:07 The lecturer was quite spanking-oriented, if I recall right. 14:10:55 oerjan: Do you have a reference for that, sounds like an interesting piece of trivia? :P 14:13:12 Hm, Wikipedia page of "Saxe-Coburg and Gotha" gives the place a population density of: Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character "," /km² (Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character "," /sq mi) 14:14:54 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 14:18:47 -!- nice_ka has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 14:21:19 Okay, so: out of the four sliders, sliders 1 and 2 control the gains of the comb filters (basically amount of echoing and the style of it), slider 3 is the ratio between direct pass-through sound and echo-effecty, and slider 4 controls the frequency of the four blinking leds on the DSP board, which do the usual 1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1, 2, ... blink sequence. 14:21:29 I think we ran out of ideas there for the fourth slider. 14:22:11 (The DSP board has four dip-switches and four leds for primitive IO, but we didn't want to limit ourselves to that, hence the whole TI-86 control thing.) 14:26:55 Meh, you had to go and remind me of one of the few courses here where you really got your hands dirty. Figuratively speaking, of course. 14:27:15 -!- zzo38 has joined. 14:28:05 Also one of the few courses where an oscilloscope is involved. 14:28:21 Yes, there is a severe lack of oscilloscopes in the computer science curriculum. 14:28:33 Want to come and play with my oscilloscope some day?-) 14:28:47 How can you make even an oscilloscope sound dirty? 14:29:12 In fact I did think about building something where a 'scope might've been handy; but then I remembered I suck at all electronicsy stuff. 14:29:14 It's a skill. 14:29:33