< 1237161945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, SIFR seems to do absolutely nothing here. < 1237161970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah well. Means that things won't find a way to fuck with my font setting. < 1237162001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Actionscript inside of each Flash file then draws that text in your chosen typeface at a 6 point size and scales it up until it fits snugly inside the Flash movie. " <-- Why not do it in INTERCAL instead. Really it would make perfect sense for an esolang. But for this?... < 1237162020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a nice serif font with thin lines; rather nice to read at a decent DPI) < 1237162020 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sIFR does nothing with noscript, either, but still. < 1237162035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have noscript. Just AdBlock... < 1237162046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use both noscript and adblock plus < 1237162055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have no flash or java plugins < 1237162059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noscript doesn't work with Conkeror. < 1237162080 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sIFR runs fine under other extensions like AdBlock"; that shouldn't be related. < 1237162091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, mhm < 1237162096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why do you use that? < 1237162109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mouseless browsing. < 1237162113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1237162144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's XULrunner based, so just about everything works anyways. < 1237162147 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conkeror is emacs for Firefox. < 1237162157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs for Gecko, rather. < 1237162160 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure why that would elicit a "why" from AnMaster. < 1237162169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not been a Firefox extension for a couple of years. < 1237162170 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's rather more Firefox than just Gecko < 1237162176 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <3 the future. < 1237162180 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway; sIFR is not the stupidest thing I've seen (I mean, it's not like placing body text in an image, for example; and they strongly advise against using it for body text, anyway), just silley. < 1237162184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's XULrunner. < 1237162194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, agreed < 1237162198 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is Gecko with the ability to load arbitrary XUL... < 1237162206 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do things by pulling little computer programs across the world < 1237162232 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon we'll have intelligent agents running around! < 1237162269 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: wut < 1237162270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox use xulrunner... < 1237162288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, duh. read what he said above < 1237162300 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:09 SimonRC <3 the future. < 1237162301 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:10 SimonRC: We do things by pulling little computer programs across the world < 1237162302 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I repeat: wt. < 1237162304 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1237162306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is crystal clear... < 1237162307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1237162309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night btw < 1237162313 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, it is? < 1237162333 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, we live in the future < 1237162343 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fairly sure we live in the present, SimonRC. < 1237162350 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fairly sure indeed. < 1237162358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, no. You are a ghost. You don't live < 1237162363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lived in the past. < 1237162367 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/the future/The Future/ < 1237162370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: By the way, we've been pulling little computer programs across the world for stuff since at *least* the invention of Javascript. ;) < 1237162379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed. < 1237162387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably longer, if you count, say, UUCP. < 1237162390 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I metalive. < 1237162398 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not certain, but I think I was thinking this before Munroe made a comic about it < 1237162405 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never metalive I didn't like. < 1237162414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, I chose to ignore that pun and instead point out that is not valid grammar. < 1237162436 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will now metakill you. < 1237162468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why is "I never meta I " supposed to be funny? It is a rather lame pun IMO. < 1237162539 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, how do the licensing terms go; if I have a copy of OS X, can I use some of the bundled fonts on a different computar? (I'm not sure I want to, just hypothetically speaking.) < 1237162546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer* < 1237162564 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, I meant CANTOR-UPPER. < 1237162565 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not sure. There's no DRM or anything; I don't think anyone cares. < 1237162588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that made no sense. < 1237162604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is noway near "computer" when you pronounce it < 1237162604 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think there is anything in the EULA or whatnot. < 1237162620 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So it'd just be standard copyright law; if you're using it on another computer you own, fair use, probably. < 1237162626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Assuming the computer in question supports TrueType or OpenType, yeah. < 1237162640 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he means can as in legally < 1237162642 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is it allowed" < 1237162645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, what if you use it in a document and that cause it to be bundled... < 1237162655 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, all fonts let you bundle them in PDFs and whatnot, I think/ < 1237162661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, say a document with the entire UTF-8 chart :D < 1237162665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most any sane one, at least. < 1237162673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so end user can extract it all < 1237162677 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay; if that's the truedness, there's some form of common sense left. < 1237162681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be legal? < 1237162683 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've done it < 1237162688 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used a converter of .dfont -> .ttf, iirc < 1237162691 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it worked fine < 1237162693 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Called "fondu" < 1237162702 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No DRM or anything; one command line invocation and an upload < 1237162707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, fun fact. Typefaces are not subject to copyright. < 1237162707 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I have it from reputable sources that you also download QuickBASIC copies of dubious legality. < 1237162714 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Really? < 1237162721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost: sounds a bit cheesy < 1237162723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what are they subject to then? And is that US only? < 1237162726 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then why was Arial ever created? < 1237162730 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The *computer code* describing them can be. < 1237162731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, augh < 1237162747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost: Novel and non-obvious designs can be patented. < 1237162756 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helvetica is pretty "obvious"... < 1237162762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1237162834 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a side note, does anyone actually use Zapfino? < 1237162836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opentype contains parts under patent < 1237162837 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's utterly unreadabl < 1237162838 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1237162863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other countries have typeface copyright. < 1237162870 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I'm not sure "file" is correct here: "Monaco.dfont: MS Windows icon resource" < 1237162874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah; mostly the hinting algorithms, IIRC. < 1237162876 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Does Europe? < 1237162879 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :-D < 1237162884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, others == non-US or? < 1237162884 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monaco is love. < 1237162892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Others == non-US. < 1237162904 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unfortunately, just before the project was completed, Siegel wrote a letter to Zapf, saying that his girlfriend had left him, and that he had lost all interest in anything. Thus Siegel abandoned the project and started a new life, working on bringing color to Macintosh computers, and later becoming an Internet design expert. " < 1237162905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, who cares about US? < 1237162906 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XDD < 1237162908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1237162920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry; hard to get out of US-centric phrasing sometimes. < 1237162920 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, I know you take pride in your rabid hate of the US (because IT'S POPULAR or something). < 1237162926 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of us don't. < 1237162951 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Zapfino? Unreadable? < 1237162962 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehm, yes. < 1237162984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it looks like calligraphic text. Rather readable, though probably not the best for long works. < 1237162997 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's hard for me to read… < 1237163015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X specific? < 1237163021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find it here < 1237163027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OS X builtin font. < 1237163033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screenshot? < 1237163040 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :entirely separate from os x < 1237163044 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bundled with OS X < 1237163054 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying "OS X specific" is Wrong; I don't know of any OS X only fonts. < 1237163061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Zapfino.svg < 1237163063 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Geneva < 1237163079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice < 1237163088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :readable for being a calligraphic one < 1237163089 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, but try reading text in it < 1237163103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, It would be good for logos or such < 1237163108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for long works no < 1237163125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost: Calligraphic fonts aren't meant for long works... < 1237163128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why so many variants there < 1237163131 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1237163135 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even for titles. < 1237163143 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it has over 18,000 ligs < 1237163145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you select which one? < 1237163148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, wow.... < 1237163150 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and manually < 1237163152 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1237163156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XeTeX. ;) < 1237163164 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1237163166 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,400 ligs < 1237163169 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still insane < 1237163172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1237163186 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'ma download MacTeX < 1237163194 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it still use that ugly iInstaller crap, I wonder. < 1237163254 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh lord, FTP. < 1237163259 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, why FTP. < 1237163275 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, an HTTP mirror. < 1237163281 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :700KB/sec. Most excellent. < 1237163283 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you Germany. < 1237163296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, what is wrong with ftp.... < 1237163301 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything < 1237163318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, passive ftp works fine in my experience < 1237163337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from it's connecting back to the initiator of the connection for the transfer link, it's a decent protocol. < 1237163343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a bit overengineered, though. < 1237163345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed < 1237163358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, parallel transfers are nice though < 1237163360 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's completely insecure in every way, and for passive basic file downloads it has 0 advantages compared to HTTP < 1237163362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true. < 1237163366 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And several disadvantages < 1237163370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as? < 1237163380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, apart from connect back? < 1237163395 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: have you ever _used_ FTP/ < 1237163397 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1237163403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, I have < 1237163408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for both up and download < 1237163424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have. < 1237163427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works well, apart from the insecure bit and separate data channel. < 1237163429 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the server software required for it is bit too large... < 1237163433 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-29-186.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1237163445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, err. ISS is a bit insecure. Lets drop http < 1237163456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, there are small FTP servers. < 1237163457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1237163460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp(1) is a rather nice program. < 1237163484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed. I prefer sftp though mostly. For security < 1237163488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Uh, ftpd probably comes in under a megabyte. < 1237163492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, yeah. < 1237163528 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Implementing HTTP server is probably smaller task than implementing FTP server... < 1237163533 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least with FTP you can, on host C, transfer data between servers A and B without things going through C. < 1237163549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, "probably"? < 1237163549 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is horribly complicated due to historical raisins, though. < 1237163549 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1237163561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I managed that with scp iirc < 1237163584 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it very unlikely that scp can do it. < 1237163592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sftp can, scp can't. < 1237163595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, maybe sftp then < 1237163596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1237163623 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do it with sftp, then? < 1237163655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sftp foo:bar baz: < 1237163672 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION boo < 1237163676 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, had to fill my ghost quota. < 1237163690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, so what was the issue you had with ftp? < 1237163696 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Whooooo < 1237163700 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOAOOAOOOOOO < 1237163702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never answered what apart from separate control channel < 1237163712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sftp/scp/; sorry. sftp is a ftp-style program, and current scp programs are just sftp frontends. < 1237163713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That writes to local file "baz:" here. < 1237163720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really?!? < 1237163726 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and current scp programs are just sftp frontends." < 1237163728 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what? < 1237163731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1237163738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. That was an epic thinko. < 1237163745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not < 1237163753 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WAS DUMB. < 1237163759 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1237163779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, still. I'm waiting for an answer < 1237163779 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoy infuriating you by withholding it. :P < 1237163779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to avoid answering the question < 1237163780 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOAOAOAOA < 1237163799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, well I just think it means you can't think of any rational reasons < 1237163800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1237163804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your loss < 1237163809 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's your prerogative < 1237163879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that comment made me even more sure about what I just said < 1237163892 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get "Permission denied, please try again. Permission denied, please try again. Permission denied (publickey,password,hostbased)." for a two-host scp thing. That is a bit strange. < 1237163893 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you haven't realised yet, I really don't care what you think about me. < 1237163908 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gawd, MacTex is 1GB… I don't even know how that's possible… still in awe < 1237163915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, I think you do actually. Just are afraid to admit it < 1237163926 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hahahaaha; you wish, maybe < 1237163944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, you feel insecure in yourself < 1237163960 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you show all the signs of not caring what I think about you; therefore you are insecure and secretly desire my confirmation but are too scared to seek it" < 1237163969 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm sure. Solid reasoning there. < 1237163993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, except you don't "show all signs of not caring". You rather try to show that but fail. < 1237164001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is very different < 1237164023 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're opening up my heart and showing me my deepest desires. It would be heartbreaking if it wasn't bullshit. < 1237164064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, Yes you are scared to admit it. The more you deny it, the more you prove it. ;P < 1237164083 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a ghost. I am not a ghost. I am not a ghost. I am not a ghost. I am not a ghost. I am not a ghost. I am not a ghost. I am not a ghost. < 1237164086 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you have to believe I am. < 1237164110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, Um, how does that follow logically < 1237164126 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1237164129 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X is true. Evidence: You are denying X many times." < 1237164137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say everything was opposite of what you said. < 1237164171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, also just ask random $person with a tinfoil hat! The gov denies it so it must be tru! < 1237164173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true!* < 1237164176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1237164184 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9/11 was an inside loeb < 1237164190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loeb? < 1237164207 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]([]P -> P) -> []P < 1237164219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, ...? < 1237164225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell I see < 1237164228 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Löb's_theorem < 1237164235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no < 1237164239 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes. < 1237164241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Löbs theorem in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings. < 1237164242 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1237164243 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no < 1237164249 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see what you asid < 1237164254 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you forgot the apostrophe < 1237164275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, my irc client did < 1237164282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click fail < 1237164352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is a paraconsistent version in Carl Hewitt [2008]." <-- ? < 1237164359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth does that mean < 1237164367 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have a dictionary? < 1237164384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not here, and parents are sleeping in the room with it < 1237164386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no < 1237164403 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your computer blocks all dictionary sites? < 1237164404 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How queer. < 1237164418 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the gay ones, obviously < 1237164421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, that was a result of your curse before < 1237164428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you typoed it < 1237164452 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T'was no typo; was the speak of thine ghosts. < 1237164472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, well that made it misfire < 1237164483 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have an extravolutionary version of the language communicasystem; for extra extrapossibilities with which to extrapolate. < 1237164486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now it blocks me googling for anything you mentions < 1237164489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for life < 1237164490 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie appears to be fluent in it while alive; though. < 1237164496 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe he is a ghost. < 1237164504 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Wikipedia mentioned paraconsistent, not I. < 1237164515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, directly or indirectly < 1237164520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it affects this < 1237164522 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Everything. < 1237164527 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can never use Google. < 1237164539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, not for the word "everything" no < 1237164550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is only literal phrases like that < 1237164554 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD. Intel. x86. x86_64 < 1237164557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I already know that word < 1237164558 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge. < 1237164560 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge. < 1237164561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those < 1237164564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it won't affect < 1237164567 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can never look up info about them < 1237164568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only unknown ones < 1237164576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, wrong. Only unknown words < 1237164600 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is particularly arbitrary. < 1237164605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, plus due to the misfire it is time limited. Lasts about 1-1.5 weeks in average :/ < 1237164620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, well if you haven't typoed it, it wouldn't have misfired < 1237164634 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this sentence is true, then AnMaster is cursed. < 1237164638 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logical bomb in your face. < 1237164662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, fail to see the logical bomb there... < 1237164676 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry's_paradox < 1237164762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. That is just a false statement due to the A then B not being a casual connection < 1237164780 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you didn't read the article. < 1237164826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the whole yet. But false was the wrong word. The right word would be: logical nonsense not connected with the real world. < 1237164849 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, uh, keep reading. < 1237164918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In formal languages, we sometimes interpret "If X then Y" as a material conditional. On this reading, it simply means "Y, or else not X". Here we would read the sentence as "Santa Claus exists, or this sentence is false". On this reading, Curry's paradox is simply a variant on the liar paradox. However, in natural language this is not usually what we mean by "If X then Y". For instance, "if 6*7=42, t < 1237164918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hen the moon exists" is true as a material implication, but is generally not considered true in natural language, because the moon's existence does not seem to be related to this fact of arithmetic." < 1237164920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, ^ < 1237164935 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1237164970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words. the claim describes a non-existent causal connection. < 1237164978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or: logical nonsense < 1237165121 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modusPonens :: (p -> q, p) -> q < 1237165159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, natural language isn't an exact science < 1237165164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages* < 1237165175 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shush, I'm doing logics in mah type system. < 1237165187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, well not abov < 1237165190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :above' < 1237165191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1237165195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you said it < 1237165200 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, a proof of the above proposition: < 1237165203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh this kbedor < 1237165205 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modusPonens (f, x) = f x < 1237165206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboard* < 1237165244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, as I said. Why would it be related < 1237165252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to prove to me there is such a connection first < 1237165262 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making a cheap joke. < 1237165263 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chill. < 1237165297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, I mean I think this paradox is rather lame. It forgets about this think called "false claim" even "lie" < 1237165310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much of a paradox < 1237165320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you enter garbage you will get garbage back < 1237165325 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, I don't think you understood it. < 1237165331 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: care to explain it to him? < 1237165394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, < 1237165418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try telling someone on the street < 1237165441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if this sentence is true, then you must give me all your money" < 1237165447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what reaction you get < 1237165461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bweheheh. < 1237165477 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because going up to a random person on a street is an environment of complete logic and formal reasoning. < 1237165488 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happens to be the most retarded reasoning I've heard today, though. I'll give you that. < 1237165525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, of course, sanest to observe that there is nothing compelling anyone to give you money, therefore the sentence is quite false. < 1237165535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, Yes it is the same because natural languages allow this thing called lie. You have to prove your "if A then B" really is a connection that exists < 1237165551 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you actually look at the formal language section < 1237165563 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please relieve the strain from my being and explain it to him < 1237165564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, natural languages isn't a formal language < 1237165579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, and you said it in natural language first < 1237165638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say it in Lojban. < 1237165643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, so tell me, why do you think the initial assertment: if true then P is valid? < 1237165643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1237165665 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan; I'm tired of this idiot, plz take him < 1237165681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying if you put in garbage you get garbage back < 1237165687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try being practical < 1237165709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I don't know lojban < 1237165759 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Practical or logically correct. < 1237165763 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take the latter. < 1237165776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer to combine them < 1237165786 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You let the former take precedence, evidently. < 1237165791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a down to earth approach < 1237165800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually gives useful results < 1237165817 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might think you less of an idiot if your only argument wasn't "that's wrong, ask a random person on the street" < 1237165833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, I have given a lot of other arguments < 1237165845 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the ether, maybe—certainly not here. < 1237165848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that one was mostly a joke < 1237165866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, ........ read scrollback < 1237165874 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did; maybe you're hallucinating. < 1237165898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, I told you that you need to verify your claims are relevant before you use them < 1237165914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if pink then blue < 1237165936 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try making logical sense; or don't because I can't be arsed, you're clearly not interested in actual logic more than fuzzy human intuitive belief bullshit < 1237165937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what does that mean? does it make a lot of sense? No 1) it is out of context. < 1237165965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) even if it was in context, how could you know that this implication is really true < 1237165994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic is a useful tool only when you put useful input into it < 1237166009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just feed it random data you will get garbage back < 1237166033 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. < 1237166036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, clearly you fail to see you need to verify the initial assertions to be able to extrapolate from them < 1237166038 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you actually understand what you'r esaying? < 1237166042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, yes < 1237166046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't I see < 1237166054 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should read the article very carefully again. < 1237166066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, I did. And you saw I quoted a bit ? < 1237166078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For instance, "if 6*7=42, then the moon exists" is true as a material implication, but is generally not considered true in natural language, because the moon's existence does not seem to be related to this fact of arithmetic." < 1237166082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read that again please < 1237166097 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you missed the bit that came next. Anyway, fuck off, this is boring and you clearly have no grasp of logic whatsoever. < 1237166108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1237166125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, lets say you are coding in prolog < 1237166136 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not. Interested. < 1237166136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and listing initial "facts" or whatever < 1237166160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then don't those facts also have to be true for the problem you are trying to solve < 1237166163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be useful? < 1237166174 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you miss where I said not interested? < 1237166174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only build your your axiojms < 1237166177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :axioms* < 1237166186 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're an idiot; you completely misunderstand Curry's paradox, and I am tired of talking. < 1237166187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your axioms are false... tough luck < 1237166198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, good thing you are writing then < 1237166204 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curry's paradox has nothing to do with defining axioms whatsoever. Go. Away < 1237166490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest a system with three truth values: true, false, EPARADOX (fatal error) < 1237166494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1237166515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, ;Å < 1237166517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P* < 1237166526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is glad he was afk < 1237166586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do you agree that if you enter false initial "facts/axioms" in a theorem prover you will get a useless result back? < 1237166593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes or no < 1237166602 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1237166604 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nothing to do with curry's paradox < 1237166614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the wikipedia page it seems to be that < 1237166631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if foo then bar. Well sure. If that connection actually holds. < 1237166636 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you explain curry's paradox to him… < 1237166642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it doesn't. Tough luck < 1237166704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no tonight my dear, i've got a headache < 1237166708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not < 1237166709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now a really interesting paradox is Russel's paradox for example. < 1237166722 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curry's paradox is a generalization of russell's paradox. < 1237166759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, well I have been discussing this in the context of the natural language case. Which is what we begin with. < 1237166775 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural language doesn't excuse you from using logic < 1237166803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but natural language is well known for not being a formally well defined language < 1237166872 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By your logic, all representations of logical formula in natural language suddenly lose their attachment to logic because you change '->' to 'implies'. < 1237167014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : For instance, consider the following sentence: < 1237167014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : If a man with flying reindeer has delivered presents to all the good children in the world in one night, then Santa Claus exists. < 1237167014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine that a man with flying reindeer has, in fact, done this. Does Santa Claus exist, in that case? It would seem so. <-- sounds probable yes. But it *could* be someone else doing it. It would need further investigation. Such an event would be circumstantial evidence. Not proof < 1237167021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, ^ < 1237167042 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, remember when I said I don't give a shit that you're logically illiterate? < 1237167046 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what hasn't changed? < 1237167072 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1237167082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, the fact that this is not really a paradox in natural languages. Just a nonsense statement < 1237167093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hasn't changed < 1237167184 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to bed. < 1237167189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1237167190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1237170476 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-101-128.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1237170933 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1237171139 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1237171343 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1237171667 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1237171672 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1237171685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's alive! < 1237171696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BWAHAHA) < 1237171796 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1237172821 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-101-128.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1237173842 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1237176754 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1237179646 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1237180241 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"lol" < 1237182309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1237182455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1237190399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1237190400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1237191660 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-123-180.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1237191958 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bbl - storm" < 1237192293 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1237192983 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1237193415 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1237195577 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1237196087 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1237196096 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1237196107 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural language quantifiers are AWESOME. < 1237196112 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just feel you should know this. < 1237197913 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit" < 1237199684 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1237200211 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-84-20.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1237200821 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1237200960 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-44-150.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1237201319 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1237205956 0 :Dewi!n=dewi@124-171-157-47.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1237210443 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1237211015 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1237212088 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1237212151 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-127-9.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1237214339 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1237216174 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1237216436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1237216485 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1237216563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1237216840 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1237216865 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody is ever actively on #anagol even though some names are listed < 1237216872 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that? < 1237216919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too popular a channel < 1237216922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes people talk < 1237216940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of people leave their IRC clients on to read what people said when they're not away, for channels that aren't logged < 1237216941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that < 1237216949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some of them will have away set in /whois < 1237217023 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried whois shinh and stuff like that but I'm not sure if that means they are away or not < 1237217208 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1237217261 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried various names with whois command but I can't see anything about away, is there some code for being away that I forgot about? < 1237217270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shows up if they are away < 1237217285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My IRC client says shinh hasn't talked for 59 hours < 1237217375 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my client I have to do /wii for that < 1237217392 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only get idle time for whois on myself. And if it shows up when they are away, which line does it show up on, the 311 line or the 320 line or some other line? < 1237217412 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "/wii" means < 1237217416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to ask the remote server if you want idle-time information. /wii is a common alias, "/whois nick nick" usually works too. < 1237217446 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/wii nick" => "/whois nick nick", which means "ask nick's whois-info from the server nick is on". < 1237217465 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, thanks I did "whois shinh shinh" and I got the idle time for shinh (214878 seconds) < 1237217476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of seconds. < 1237217513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you know TeX, right? How do you put a \ in the document? < 1237217516 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, the IRC server returns it in seconds I did the calculation it is approx 59.7 hours < 1237217550 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You can do $\backslash$ although it might look non-text-like since it's math-mode-fluff. < 1237217556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1237217563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a \rawcodeystylething{} block thang? < 1237217568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would work < 1237217617 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be a \textbackslash command, according to some reference. < 1237217617 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for telling me I need to indicate the name twice if I want the 317 line (although I'm not sure why the server shouldn't figure that out automatically?) < 1237217649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: IRC is weird < 1237217655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it was done this way for backwards compatibility < 1237217688 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And another place says "\char`\\", which is a piece of raw TeX, should also work. < 1237217699 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: OK. However I can get the 317 line for myself without needing to type my name twice. < 1237217703 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a large block of verbatim text, there's of course \begin{verbatim} ... \end{verbatim}. < 1237217712 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the 317 line for everyone who happens to be on the same server as you. < 1237217716 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least you should. < 1237217757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how to get GCC to generate an integer constant without $ in inline asm < 1237217757 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O. So does it do that to save bandwidth from accessing other servers when it doesn't have to? < 1237217765 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be that. < 1237217782 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a \verb=xyz= command which does xyz verbatim, but maybe \ is too extra-magical even for that. < 1237217797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a superscript/subscript combiner in unicode? < 1237217812 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can freely use any delimiter instead of = there as long as it's not in the verbatim-string.) < 1237217842 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1237217852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I only want a superscript A and a subscript E. < 1237217888 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1237217893 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1237217895 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1237217897 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1237217922 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are super/subscript numbers, and a couple of other characters too. < 1237217945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I've looked. < 1237217968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: IRC is weird <-- I know the details about why name twice if you are interested < 1237217986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't exactly what you suggested < 1237218091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is there outside of the RFC's "If the parameter is specified, it sends the query to a specific server. It is useful if you want to know how long the user in question has been idle as only local server knows that information, while everything else is globally known" explanation? < 1237218105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/jrtvbo/first-test.pdf A most delightful X∃LaTₑX (see how hard I worked on that?) output. Bring Hoefler Text (or, wait, is it embedded in the PDF?). < 1237218136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is it yes. < 1237218141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, it's 16 March. < 1237218142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 17. < 1237218150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please ignore that time-travelling document. < 1237218167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think it embeds-by-default. < 1237218181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, using a non-server name means asking the server that first nick is on < 1237218183 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I can't be sure, since I don't remember what Hoefler Text should look like. < 1237218186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so double name... < 1237218191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double nick* < 1237218213 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I fail to see how that is different from my "nick nick means ask the server nick is on" explanation. < 1237218229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well on freenode it is. Due to freenode's server hiding < 1237218233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if you screenshot, I'll tell you if it's right :P < 1237218244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you never get idle time with anything but repeating nick < 1237218255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :security by obscurity < 1237218259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1237218294 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/what_foolishness_is_this.png < 1237218310 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LªTₑX! < 1237218317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's hideous, but I suppose that's Linux font rendering thar. < 1237218323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: aha < 1237218328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X∃LªTₑX < 1237218331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we just need uppercase versions < 1237218349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It has the right shapes, so, success. < 1237218368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, that is a copyrighted image and I will sue you. < 1237218525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: there should be a combining uppercase :P < 1237218544 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are COMBINING LATIN SMALL LETTER [AEIOUCDHMRTVX]; that's a very random-sounding set. < 1237218600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is up with http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/what_foolishness_is_this.png < 1237218621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean what's up with it < 1237218626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks fine < 1237218632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is as you said hideous. < 1237218632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the bad linux font rendering < 1237218639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: try the pdf on your system < 1237218644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will probably look nicer < 1237218644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pdftex generally renders better than that < 1237218649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It renders fine < 1237218651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my system. < 1237218654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1237218654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the font, Hoefler Text < 1237218659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It demands good rendering :P < 1237218668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well Apple has patents on the important rendering bits < 1237218669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1237218676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you keep saying. < 1237218684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I even linked you some weeks or so ago < 1237218689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes you did. < 1237218715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's viewed-with-xpdf, in case it matters. < 1237218728 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1237218768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what Helvetica with serifs would look like < 1237218792 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does look rather different with, say, Evince. < 1237218800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? < 1237218844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:52 AnMaster wonders what Helvetica with serifs would look like <-- Unlike Helvetica. < 1237218854 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/evince_version.png < 1237218860 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1237218864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, that's significantly better < 1237218871 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1237218875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in I can actually read it and it looks similar to the rendering at my end < 1237218912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1237218929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about kpdf? < 1237218954 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have it on this thing. < 1237218960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1237218965 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's acroread, some version. < 1237218968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how comes pdf renders so differently? < 1237218995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the point of pdf was to render the same < 1237219002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: different font rendering < 1237219010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's how it looks on my end: http://imgur.com/74ZOM.png. It probably won't look very nice unless you have a high-DPI display with the right colour profile. < 1237219043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it looks hideous on this monitor < 1237219077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks reasonably nice on this. < 1237219108 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "reasonably nice" means I like it more than Evince, I think. < 1237219179 0 :neldoret1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :neldoreth < 1237219187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoefler Text's serifs probably would fit better on print. < 1237219196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Firefox went and crashed when I opened gnome-control-center and twiddled with the font rendering settings. < 1237219206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here know GCC inline assembler? < 1237219215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gcc's manual does :P < 1237219221 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've done it a little bit. < 1237219221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well not enough < 1237219227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read it and not found a solution < 1237219228 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I missed the question. < 1237219229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It documents it all, afaik. < 1237219230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask #gcc. < 1237219232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm trying to something like this (but with more instructions to make it useful): < 1237219233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm("leaq %[size]+%[var],%%rdx" : [var] "=m"(myvar) : [size] "i"(sizeof(myvar)) : "rdx"); < 1237219233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where myvar is a static array of fixed size. Size is known at compile time, but may vary depending on compile time options. I would expect it to generate something like: < 1237219233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaq 2097152+myvar(%rip),%rdx < 1237219233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in fact it generates this invalid (at least gas thinks so) assembler: < 1237219234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaq $2097152+myvar(%rip),%rdx < 1237219236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I get GCC to not include that first $ there? I have looked at the GCC documentation and found no way to work around it < 1237219244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the plain TEX notation $$ . . . $$ for displayed equations is not recom- < 1237219244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mended. Although it is not expressly forbidden in LATEX, it is not documented anywhere in the LATEX book < 1237219247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as being part of the LATEX command set, and it interferes with the proper operation of various features < 1237219250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as the fleqn option. < 1237219252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1237219259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: [size] instead of %[size]? < 1237219283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that doesn't substitute at all. I tried it. < 1237219294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaq [size]+myvar(%rip),%rdx < 1237219300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can't do it. < 1237219307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, maybe, < 1237219311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: < 1237219313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know! < 1237219314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1237219317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1237219319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like < 1237219326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"leaq "#sizeof(foo)"..." < 1237219329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something < 1237219333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking like cpp stringification < 1237219335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1237219337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1237219351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have a ttf of computer modern < 1237219355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't think there is a way to get the size of an object with CPP but hm... < 1237219378 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can't get sizeof() during the preprocessing; I was going to suggest stringizing too. < 1237219386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, really? how? < 1237219391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1237219394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can't" < 1237219400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread it as "can" < 1237219414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you know the ranges of sizeof()? < 1237219420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it's either 2 or 4 or 8 < 1237219422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so then < 1237219426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I dunno < 1237219427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like < 1237219436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#if sizeof(foo)==1; #define foo "1" or whatever, 'cept, you can't do that in cpp < 1237219437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I dunno < 1237219467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it depends on compile time options. It could be 2097152 or 4194304 < 1237219477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what options < 1237219483 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried the 'n' constraint instead of 'i'? Although I really don't have a clue how they differ. < 1237219490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea < 1237219493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what option? < 1237219504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-DUSE32 -DUSE64 -DARRAY_SIZE_X -DARRAY_SIZE_Y < 1237219513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Then, just < 1237219523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef USE_32 < 1237219524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two latter toggle data type < 1237219527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1237219529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two former < 1237219532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay wait < 1237219533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: < 1237219535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do this, for instance < 1237219536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two latter toggle array size < 1237219549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef USE32; #define foo #ARRAY_SIZE_X; #endif < 1237219551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever < 1237219556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1237219559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just do "blah " foo " baz" < 1237219568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sort of thing anyway < 1237219575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if that needs adding to < 1237219576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do < 1237219579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just do "blah " foo "+44 baz" < 1237219580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1237219594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :size is sizeof(datatype) * ARRAY_SIZE_X * ARRAY_SIZE_Y < 1237219621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, you'll have to do that in parts then < 1237219623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef USE32 < 1237219630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define sizeofdatatype "4" < 1237219631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif < 1237219632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1237219636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define foo #ARRAY_SIZE_X < 1237219636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1237219647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sdfk " sizeofdatatype "*" foo < 1237219650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1237219652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the idea < 1237219659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1237219662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers... < 1237219664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nopaste.com/p/aVqjYoeUbb <- the source to that LaTeX document; please excuse any noobishness < 1237219679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also excuse the wrapping; TeXShop doesn't seem to do that automagically. < 1237219686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, lack of wrapping, rather. < 1237219762 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Judging from some other latex, you can indeed escape \ with the verbatim mode, so you could write \verb=\chapter= instead of the bulkier \textbackslash{}chapter. < 1237219852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, does anyone have a HIGHLY ILLEGAL copy of the Univers font? Well, the copy doesn't have to be highly illegal. < 1237220002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh wth < 1237220007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1237220008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: stray ‘#’ in program < 1237220016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes read C99 spec < 1237220031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1237220033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1237220036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think you must do < 1237220039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(x) #x < 1237220043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1237220046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and foo(ARRAY_SIZE_X) would give "ARRAY_SIZE_X". < 1237220049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is perhaps a slight dead end < 1237220053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm hmmm. < 1237220067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are the X and Y bounded? < 1237220070 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need the double-macro thing. < 1237220074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh? < 1237220074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm? < 1237220075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do tell < 1237220084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define foo(x) #x -- #define bar(x) foo(x) -- bar(ARRAY_SIZE) < 1237220085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double macro? < 1237220091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will evaluate ARRAY_SIZE before stringizing it. < 1237220092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Aha. < 1237220095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, AnMaster, do that. < 1237220096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1237220097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1237220102 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very tricky, and I always get it wrong. < 1237220103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love^Whate cpp :-) < 1237220111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the comp.lang.c faq has some examples, anyway. < 1237220113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1237220137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, on the topic of I'm Talking About How OS X Is Awesome To Annoy AnMaster (just kidding, AnMaster, kay?): I like how Ctrl-A and Ctrl-E from emacs are available in every text input field. < 1237220166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CPP_SILLY_STRINGIFY(x) # x < 1237220166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CPP_SILLY_EVAL(x) CPP_SILLY_STRINGIFY(x) < 1237220169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that? < 1237220175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1237220180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, well, I'd call it < 1237220197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CPP_STRINGIFY_ARGH(x) #x < 1237220204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CPP_STRINGIFY(x) CPP_STRINGIFY_ARGH(x) < 1237220213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To more accurately convey the correct emotion. < 1237220242 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes people use the same name with a trailing _, but something like that anyway. < 1237220248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok < 1237220252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1237220255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That is evil. < 1237220262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not convey feminine emotion of human vitality. < 1237220264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1237220271 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"011000 100110 000101 110011 011001 010010 000000 110010" < 1237220280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Anyway, this even more simplificates it: < 1237220297 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c-faq.com/ansi/stringize.html < 1237220301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#if USE32 < 1237220307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CPP_SIZE 4 < 1237220311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#elsif USE64 < 1237220313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CPP_SIZE 8 < 1237220314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif < 1237220315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1237220333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPP_STRINGIFY(CPP_SIZE) "*" CPP_STRINGIFY(X) "+" CPP_STRINGIFY(Y) < 1237220334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1237220338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for extra definitions, I mean. < 1237220339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1237220339 0 :FireyFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1237220345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just CPP_STRINGIFY* and CPP_SIZE (as an int). < 1237220365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that would make it pass 80 columns, which look silly < 1237220373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wrap it. < 1237220380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPP_STRINGIFY(CPP_SIZE) "*" < 1237220383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : CPP_STRINGIFY(X) "+" < 1237220384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1237220396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, looks silly to have multiline inline asm expand to single line asm -_- < 1237220402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It really doesn't. < 1237220407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are the only times you use those stringifications, so assigning them a name is ridiculous. < 1237220499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1237220769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thanksants.com/ <- <3 < 1237220867 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1237221733 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-196.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1237222048 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1237222402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, uh what? < 1237222410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Look Around You reference < 1237222423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1237222425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enable javascript < 1237222444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I did enable javascript < 1237222447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I still don't get it < 1237222449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1237222453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a Look Around You reference. < 1237222462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1237222477 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get some gary gum < 1237222492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's garry < 1237222508 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you :( < 1237222801 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1237222871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1237222879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1237222896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have my note credits now? :P < 1237222912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wrong channel, and let me read email first to figure out what you're talking about < 1237222913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523. < 1237222916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1237222928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) there is no right channel that I am currently present in; I was just passing on a one-line note < 1237222933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) your cron job fired < 1237222938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although murphy beat you to it < 1237222965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, goethe was in _another_ scam secrecy contract with another group of players, plotting the same scam. < 1237222967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell < 1237222976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you entered an agreement with him, he tricked you. < 1237222980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't < 1237222985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1237222988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read wrong then < 1237222992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but again, wrong channel, your refusal to join the right channel does not make this the right channel < 1237223007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody else is talking, so. < 1237223013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a little note < 1237223211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why the hell gcc generated this code: < 1237223213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub $0xffffffffffffff80,%rax < 1237223224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with adding a bit instead? < 1237223235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less omg optimized < 1237223236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :claerl < 1237223237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1237223246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: did the stringification work out? < 1237223250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it did < 1237223255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoorah < 1237223466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any idea about that sub? < 1237223479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in a loop gcc generated: < 1237223484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub $0xffffffffffffff80,%rax < 1237223485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmp $0xa42620,%rax < 1237223489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it might change the processor flags differently < 1237223489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jne 0x41c1f0 < 1237223491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to addition < 1237223497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm... < 1237223500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of that sort of thing in asm < 1237223519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it may be subtracting %rax /from/ that large number, rather than subtracting the large number from %rax < 1237223536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, rax is a pointer to an array < 1237223558 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-1-23.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1237223560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it only uses sub if it is unrolling the loop. It uses add otherwise < 1237223573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: add $0x10,%rax < 1237223592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the sub jump is larger, but that is because it was unrolled < 1237223780 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1237224408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does some more logics in haskell typeth system < 1237224413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I forgot, I'm a ghost < 1237224416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehirdghost < 1237224418 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whooooooo < 1237224434 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahah, now I recommandeth my speakings of the ghostular enhanced communicatoungh. < 1237224550 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were supposed to wait until Easter to resurrect :( < 1237224572 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, yeah, sorry, wait, I'll remove that previous shit from the timestream < 1237224579 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done, if you still see it you're hallucinamating < 1237225007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, did you finish your bef93 in qbasic? < 1237225032 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it was too trivial that I fell asleep < 1237225044 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was before I died... < 1237225048 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times, good times < 1237225080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, why not write a befunge93 in SQL (probably with some procedural extensions) < 1237225094 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ask you s/not // < 1237225110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ehirdghost writing befunge in SQL? < 1237225117 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1237225121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, which extensions? SQL isn't actually Turing-complete without extensions < 1237225123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no it was a suggestion for something to do < 1237225124 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster wants me to, I don't see why it's interesting. < 1237225126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, neither is befunge-93 < 1237225141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I would suggest Pg/SQL < 1237225155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or whatever it is called) < 1237225182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, no I didn't "want you to", just a suggestion for something to do < 1237225185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seemed bored. < 1237225201 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dodecahedron < 1237225206 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dodecahedronasaurus < 1237225214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PL/pgSQL, if you mean the PostgreSQL thing. < 1237225222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah yes indeed < 1237225226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't remember the name < 1237225229 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just PL/SQL for the Oracle thing. < 1237225314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Image Search doesn't find any dodecahedronasaurii. :/ < 1237225337 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try "dodecadicks" < 1237225361 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=dodecadicks&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:fr:official&client=firefox-a < 1237225368 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you know, it actually exists! < 1237225378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1237225392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bits is needed to represent a 2 MB address space? < 1237225398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :31 < 1237225403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, MB? < 1237225404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 < 1237225408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1237225463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sure it isn't 20? < 1237225466 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 2^10 is a kilobyte, 2^20 is a megabyte and 2^30 is a gigabyte. < 1237225472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1237225473 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/jrtvbo/first-test.pdf <- Relinking this since everyone must see it. < 1237225474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1 MiB is 20 < 1237225477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 1 KiB is 10 < 1237225477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1237225482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 MiB is therefore 21 < 1237225488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2 MB is slightly smaller, therefore still 21 < 1237225488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what he is miscalculating then < 1237225522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I see that I made an error, but why is it only off by half... < 1237225523 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost: but you never linked it before... we were just hallucinamating that, right? < 1237225540 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's the whole A20 line stuff in the legacy-x86 world. < 1237225540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't calculated in 16 bit numbers... < 1237225543 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: Do not question me. < 1237225543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculate* < 1237225563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets see. How many bits do you need to represent 1024*512 ? < 1237225584 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10+9. < 1237225611 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean "represent all numbers in the range [0, 1024*512-1]". < 1237225654 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "represent 1024*512 different entities", more generically. < 1237225675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the latter < 1237225712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm trying to work out how I would do bit interleaving for using a z-order space filling curve to index the static funge space < 1237225721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I just can't get it straight < 1237225792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw since you know gcc quite well. How do you make gcc expand asm("leaq %[size]+%[var],%%rdx" : [var] "=m"(myvar) : [size] "i"(sizeof(myvar)) : "rdx"); to "leaq 2097152+myvar(%rip),%rdx" rather than "leaq $2097152+myvar(%rip),%rdx" < 1237225801 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wtf < 1237225803 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just told you how < 1237225806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now I worked around the issue with some ugly macros < 1237225807 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we spent ages explaining it with cpp < 1237225816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, yes but I was wondering "is there no better solution" < 1237225821 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a bad solution < 1237225826 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just stringifying some expressions < 1237225829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, it is an ugly one < 1237225833 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is ugly < 1237225837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1237225978 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it's funny how well suited haskell is to logic in the type system < 1237226025 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a funny bit of x86 trivia: the A20 gate (which controls whether the A20 line is enabled or not; if it's not enabled, the 21th bit in memory addresses is forced to be 0, wrapping the [1MB,2MB) range on top of [0,1MB) and same for 3-4, 5-6 etc.) used to be connected to the *keyboard controller*. < 1237226074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh... < 1237226088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, keyboard DMA? < 1237226131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that their keyboard controller had a spare I/O pin they could use. The keyboard controller can also reset the CPU. < 1237226400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1237226419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need to bit interleave a 9 bit and a 10 bit integers in the fastest way possible... < 1237226428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at the bithacks page fizzie linked < 1237226478 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0,1) should be valid haskell pintax < 1237226482 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1237226499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, pintax? < 1237226520 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax but with safety pins and income tax. < 1237226535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1237226550 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost: still a ghost? < 1237226553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought the [) notation looks silly < 1237226556 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION walks right through Judofyr < 1237226560 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any questions? < 1237226596 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The correct range semantics for (N..M) is including N and excluding M, anyway. See: Djikstra. They compose better. < 1237226613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, yes I know what it is for < 1237226613 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (0..N) gets you N items; fits in with array-type stuff < 1237226630 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So [X,Y) is actually useless as there's only One True Solution :P < 1237226647 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, haskell includes M. < 1237226649 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the range < 1237226649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thinks it looks silly with [X,Y) Typographically silly I mean < 1237226655 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1237226671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/thinks/think/ < 1237226683 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1237226799 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1237226916 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sq, Q prqpqsq thqt qll vqwqls qrq rqplqcqd by "q". (So, I propose that all vowels are replaced by q.) < 1237226933 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It actually works fine for everything but i, pretty much. So let's try it.) < 1237227107 0 :ineiros!n=ineiros@kosh.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1237227172 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nq? < 1237227186 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-93-123.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1237227213 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop < 1237227217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Mony < 1237227223 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yqq mqqn plqp. < 1237227245 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, true < 1237227269 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qxqctly. < 1237227369 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qqs523: Wqll yqq jqqn my pqlgrqmqgq frqm vqwqls? < 1237227415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1237227420 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1237227489 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tqlkqng wqthqqt vqwqls qs sq pqssq́. < 1237227506 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sq's yqqr fqcq. < 1237227917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you can do fast bit interleaving with SSSE3. But not with SSE3 < 1237227922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so useless to me < 1237227933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, you mean the intercal operation? < 1237227953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, almost. I'm talking about a space filling Morton curve here. < 1237227957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1237227965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which can be done with bit interleaving < 1237227969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes kind of < 1237228088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm a hillbert curve would provide better locality of reference than. Wonder how you can calculate it. < 1237228092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be worth comparing < 1237228112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err... you're using space-filling curves for the memory of your Befunge interp to avoid cache misses? < 1237228116 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1237228120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is the plan yes < 1237228123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you /sure/ that doesn't waste more time calculating than it does reading from cache? < 1237228131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and it's pretty much exactly the intercal mingle. < 1237228135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is possible. That is why I want to profile < 1237228157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't be sure if I haven't looked at it at all < 1237228188 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I jump over a bridge, will I die? I can't be sure if I haven't tried it at all < 1237228190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so I can't say I'm sure until I even tested with space filling curves. < 1237228196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm repeating myself a bit here, but: < 1237228196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2009-03-15 19:59:38] < fizzie> Notably, calculating the z-order coordinate from x, y is just a single application of the INTERCAL mingle operator. < 1237228198 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2009-03-15 19:59:54] < fizzie> Of course your silly C might lack the always-useful $ operator. < 1237228331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway it is quite possible this could differ a lot between different CPUs, if you have a very small cache you could possibly gain from it. < 1237228340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reverse < 1237228347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1237228348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is worth trying < 1237228365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and my sempron has a 128 kb L2 cache, and no L3 cache < 1237228382 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128kb? o_O < 1237228390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghost, yes it is very small. < 1237228412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Pentium 3 with twice as big L2 cache < 1237228414 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why dqn't yqq mqcrq-qptqmqsq qn q dqcqnt mqchqnq?! < 1237228429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1237228441 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rqllqyqs. < 1237228452 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: Yqq trqnslqtq, mmkqy? < 1237228454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me when you decide to make sense. < 1237228487 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you micro-optimise on a decent machine‽ < 1237228490 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, are you doing "thqs q thqng" manually or automagically? < 1237228495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't have one? < 1237228504 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: Thqnks. < 1237228525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ehirdghost will provide the money? < 1237228527 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean Qsztql_, or are nicknames excluded? < 1237228542 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Mqnqqlly, bqt nqw I'm nqt: tr qqqqq qqqqq < 1237228557 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: /nqck Qsztql_ qnd jqqn qqr qrdqr. < 1237228564 0 :ehirdghost!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :qhqrdghqst < 1237228576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1237228592 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The-artist-formerly-known-as-ehirdghost: your new name looks like a MMX opcode. < 1237228596 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, tr qqqq q wqrks tqq. Nqcq. < 1237228600 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Qt qs. < 1237228604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :DDD < 1237228612 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sq qnywqy. < 1237228669 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wandar haw at gaas wath a anstaad af q. I wender hew et gees weth e ensteed ef q. I wondor how ot goos woth o onstood of q. < 1237228677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my favourite MMX opcode is CVTTPD2PI < 1237228693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that one is SSE I think < 1237228696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I like it < 1237228716 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wndr hw t gs wth nstd f q. < 1237228718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is SSE but operates on mmx registers, instead of xmm registers < 1237228779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, why not replace non-vowels instead of vowels? < 1237228789 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qn Q-spqqk, CQBQL = CQBQL. Cqqncqdqncq? < 1237228798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1237228802 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QnMqstqr: Tq mqrq qccqrqtqly glqqk mqqnqng frqm cqntqxt. < 1237228820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest all consonants -> i < 1237228832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea if it will work out well < 1237228868 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ieiiiii, ieiiiii oie iio iiiee < 1237228874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah not very well < 1237228880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds ghostly though < 1237228887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CQBQL = CQBQL <-- was that COBOL = C.B.L? < 1237228916 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it as COBOL = CABAL < 1237228920 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cqmmqn Qrqqntqd Bqsqnqss Lqngqqgq = Thqrq Qs Nq Cqbql < 1237228925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, oh that could work < 1237228930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1237228937 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qsztql gqts q cqqkqq. < 1237228939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYBYL looked silly < 1237228952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qsztql <-- looks like a monster in nethack? < 1237228960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some A iirc < 1237228964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the name for it < 1237228970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that anyway < 1237228981 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hqy, fqrst pqrsqn thqt mqkqs q scrqpt thqt grqps /qsr/shqrq/dqct/wqrds tq qdd thq vqwqls bqck qn gqts q cqqkqq. < 1237229007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cqqkqq? < 1237229023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm too lazy to make such a script < 1237229039 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why nqt grqp /qsr/shqrq/dqct/wqrds tq fqnd qqt whqt thqt wqrd cqqld bq? Jqst s/q/./ wqqld wqrk fqr qnq wqrd. < 1237229064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true. But I think it was cookie now < 1237229089 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yqq gqt q cqqkqq. < 1237229120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not quite sure what "Qsztql" could refer to. Quetzalcoatl is the lawful archeologist god, though. < 1237229159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you tend to run into them when you are high level and near the top of the dungeon... Maybe it was Quetzalcoatl < 1237229174 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's a god, not a monster. < 1237229194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an A called couatl, maybe that. < 1237229226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in ASCII it is A, in QT mode it is some brown/pink blurry tile that looks vaguely like a brown snake with pink wings < 1237229230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1237229265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quetzalcoatl is the feathered snake. And couatl is a D&D monster that refers to that, and has the A symbol. So it's probably that. < 1237229284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about "couatl" a[4]: Monster: 'A' angelic beings: couatl, Aleax, Angel, ki-rin, Archon < 1237229297 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's an A called couatl, maybe that." < 1237229300 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, changing vowels to q's isn't really even noticeable for short words, but i have no idea what ieiiiii, ieiiiii oie iio iiiee is < 1237229302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes just saw that < 1237229303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That *is* what I'm talking about. < 1237229318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I did /msg #esoteric from in the privmsg with Rodney < 1237229321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I didn't see that < 1237229364 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. My scrqpt fqqls qn yqq gqt q cqqkqq, fqr thqrq qrq mqny pqssqbqlqtqqs. < 1237229383 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. And incidentally, why does irssi prefix a + or - to all incoming messages now that I have an irssi-proxy thing going on? < 1237229391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, still I think CVTTPD2PI is the MMX/SSE instruction with the nicest name < 1237229395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you agree? < 1237229402 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah, right. < 1237229403 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it miau? < 1237229407 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst: well why not use a markov chain, don't you just love those? < 1237229415 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://miau.sourceforge.net/faq.html < 1237229416 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: :D < 1237229442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, freenode adds +/- if you request it when you connect < 1237229448 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and miau does. < 1237229450 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, see http://miau.sourceforge.net/faq.html. < 1237229452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means identified to nickserv or not < 1237229453 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen anything else do i < 1237229454 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1237229470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, xchat enables it if available and uses it < 1237229486 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Heh, yes, I did connect with xchat to the irssi-proxy. < 1237229492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a toggleable setting somewhere? < 1237229514 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the proxy < 1237229519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes, by reconnecting. You could also make the proxy filter this so the client never sees that the server supports it < 1237229525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made another Enigma level, by the way, just for fun; it's pretty easy < 1237229529 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oo < 1237229530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again not the sort AnMaster likes < 1237229532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what type? < 1237229534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1237229537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a memory level, mostly < 1237229541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bit of forward planning < 1237229547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what is your opinion on CVTTPD2PI? < 1237229560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I generally don't have opinions on particular asm opcodes I don't know much about < 1237229568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name I mean! < 1237229574 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: irssi-proxy's a module of sorts for irssi which makes it act a bit like a bouncer. I wanted to try a non-monospaced font in IRC, but that's not very viable in a terminal. < 1237229579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks typical for bloated x86 asm opcodes < 1237229581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Convert Packed Single-Precision Floating-Point to Packed Doubleword Integers, Truncated" < 1237229584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what it means < 1237229599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the AMD reference docs < 1237229605 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah. < 1237229610 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just use miau if you want a bouncer? :P < 1237229626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CVTTPS2PI mmx, xmm/mem64 < 1237229633 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I already had irssi running, and didn't want to disconnect for this experiment. < 1237229654 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a very exciting experiment. < 1237229656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/ufepe/ais52304_1.xml < 1237229658 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to 2000 :P < 1237229673 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I like it here in 2000. < 1237229696 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wimp < 1237229725 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: enigma time < 1237229736 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Anyway, did you say I can tell this X-Chat to not enable that identify-msg thing? I'm not sure I want to do any filtering in irssi-proxy. < 1237229767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no < 1237229777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggested you would filter this in the bouncer < 1237229786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so xchat would never see that it was enabled < 1237229793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also filter any requests to enable it < 1237229794 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About instructions, I think I like the name of PUNPCKHBW. It's got, you know, punch. < 1237229817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unpack and Interleave High Bytes... < 1237229820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1237229841 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://khjeron.de/index.php?ELEMENT=300 wat < 1237229843 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. I'm not quite sure how to do it. Irssi-proxy is not a very configurable bouncer, it's rather rudimentary. < 1237229847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUNPCKHQDQ just sounds lame < 1237229871 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just greenify < 1237229874 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, xchat sux :| < 1237229881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, xchat is not a very configurable client, it is rather advanced but single minded. That is if you don't like the defaults you don't have a lot of options to change it < 1237229890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst: how are you getting on with my level? < 1237229895 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awfully. < 1237229906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if I should make it harder, probably not if you're finding it hard < 1237229910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, that should be Qwfqllq < 1237229921 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it seems that way. But this xchat is several magnitudes better than I remember it being back in, you know, 2000 or so. < 1237229926 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I suck at enigma. < 1237229930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost convinced oklofok would do it first time and think "that was boring", but then he's oklofok < 1237229945 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my back hurts, can't really concentrate < 1237229950 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I will comply if and only if fizzie and you and ais523 start filtering all messages through (tr aeiou q | tr AEIOU Q). < 1237229951 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deal? < 1237229961 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for a bit. :P < 1237229964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comply with what? < 1237229976 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually been working on this puzzle for ages now, even though i solved it pretty fast last night (my points weren't registered so i had to do it again) < 1237229978 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := continue qing. < 1237229979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what would be a nice graphical IRC client. Colloquy sure seems nice-looking, but it's just OS X. < 1237229988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: which puzzle? < 1237229989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, nah, you are free to stop it < 1237229997 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d logic 2: stronghold of sage < 1237229997 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: colloquy is pretty awful; LimeChat is nice. < 1237230008 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colloquy is buggy and crashy and underfeatured < 1237230027 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, err, graphical IRC, hm. < 1237230029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is an xchat fork called conspire. Haven't tried it. May be worth checking it out < 1237230030 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1237230056 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a grid on three faces of a cube, and you need to connect dots of same color. < 1237230067 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going strictly based on screenshots-shown-on-the-software's-web-site here. LimeChat seems like an OS X thing too. Of course one would assume that anything nice-looking is. < 1237230087 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LimeChat is OS X only, yes. < 1237230101 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :started playing kongregate since all the cool kids seem to be doing it < 1237230114 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Just use plan9. < 1237230119 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem solved. < 1237230219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use plan9 userspace on Linux btw < 1237230226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ported tools < 1237230228 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1237230230 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same < 1237230236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1237230238 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't get any of the device magic that actually makes it worthwhile < 1237230239 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or /proc < 1237230248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, but not everyone can switch to plan9 < 1237230252 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they can. :P < 1237230268 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I played the original version of that game < 1237230276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well iirc fizzie worked on some workstation owned by the university < 1237230278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that could be hard < 1237230287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst: I just got a time of 1:53 on that level, btw, that's faster than the record written in the file < 1237230292 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cool < 1237230304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, also I don't remember how the /proc of plan9 was but Linux have a /proc. Maybe different. < 1237230315 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1237230318 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan9's is far more extensiv e < 1237230320 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I'm currently at home; I think I'll stick to rxvt-unicode and irssi for chatting at work. < 1237230322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: http://swtch.com/plan9port/ < 1237230340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X too < 1237230346 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst: harder, easier, or you didn't pass it? < 1237230354 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I already have it. < 1237230359 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1237230360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, ok :) < 1237230361 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: dunnos < 1237230364 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had no stupid grass shit < 1237230366 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you know whether it's harder or easier < 1237230367 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1237230377 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was a question, answer) < 1237230380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is kongregate? < 1237230386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can guess it's a KDE program from the spelling < 1237230388 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a site with flash games < 1237230391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't konw anything beyond that < 1237230391 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you get points out of playing flash games. < 1237230395 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1237230433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Three Times Through is always possible < 1237230436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this one ends in 04? I saw 01 too. What about 02 and 03 < 1237230437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it is, but haven't proved it < 1237230439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never saw them < 1237230444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, no < 1237230447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't finished yet < 1237230448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1237230453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you having a go at it? < 1237230454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any in the style I like? < 1237230459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not yet < 1237230462 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more incentive to actually finish games, and try all kinds of stuff out; which of course is good only if you consider flash games educational, which i do < 1237230479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't know if I mentioned it. But I rather like that level "robin's wood" < 1237230481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_02 and _03 are almost finished, they just need AIs < 1237230483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot what pack < 1237230490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't, it just looks big and tiresome < 1237230498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1237230531 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: http://www.kongregate.com/games/AlexMatveev/3d-logic < 1237230532 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d logic wun < 1237230604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is there anything in your last level preventing the first two stones matching each other? < 1237230614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it's completely random the arrangement < 1237230618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally you get a mix of luck < 1237230625 0 :Hiato1!n=1@dsl-245-1-23.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1237230627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are so many oxyds to place < 1237230728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh that level is irritating < 1237230732 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i can't beat original level 7 <.< < 1237230816 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait I just did. < 1237230867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I liked "floppy floors" too < 1237230877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on easy, never tried it on hard < 1237230893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what, my level? < 1237230894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it was another level I was looking for < 1237230898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ? < 1237230900 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did the first 12 levels in about 2 minutes, then made a mistake, and closed it < 1237230916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in engima 1.0 new < 1237230921 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean i don't actually want to play atm) < 1237230932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, I was referring to the one I just pasted < 1237230950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing's forcing oklofok to play, especially as the level I just pasted is likely far too easy for em < 1237230953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mentioned some levels I liked < 1237230971 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you trying to force me to try it :P < 1237230977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there wouldn't be any point < 1237230980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there was some level that was a "who did it" iirc < 1237230984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was rather interesting < 1237231002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've done that one, it isn't really because it's just elimination and luck < 1237231017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluenigma < 1237231019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1237231045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there was one with lots of hidden tools. Split up in four screens < 1237231052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing that one recently < 1237231058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, don't remember name < 1237231064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember first room was very white < 1237231065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I tried twice and failed < 1237231071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that one < 1237231077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't remember where or name < 1237231089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both times because coffee wasn't implemented, so getting the last pair of oxyds depends entirely on luck and fast mouse movement, you need both < 1237231096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was unlucky and not fast enough anyway both times < 1237231105 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i should probably implement some coffee < 1237231120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed < 1237231132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you remember what level pack? < 1237231159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1237231166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't be one of the enigma ones because it had coffee in < 1237231182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also there are some levels in "enigma 0.92" called "Pentimino", any clue what they are about? < 1237231188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1237231191 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of coffee are we talking < 1237231191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1237231194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're about pentominos, pretty obviously < 1237231197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst: the item in Enigma < 1237231203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does nothing because they haven't programmed it yet < 1237231204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and what the *** is that? < 1237231217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: look it up on Wikipedia or Google or somewhere < 1237231223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1237231229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tetris shapes are tetrominoes, pentominoes are like that but with one more square < 1237231232 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's it meant to do. < 1237231239 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:20 AnMaster: ais523, and what the *** is that? <-- what the ass? < 1237231242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it. "tool time" in 0.92 new < 1237231255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst: it's described vaguely as "pause the game" < 1237231258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, "hel" < 1237231259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the docs < 1237231276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from looking at the levels that use it, I suspect it multiplies durations by infinity < 1237231281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your umbrellas last forever, etc < 1237231293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's limited-duration itself, or only when it's the first item on your list, or something, though < 1237231321 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's actually "heel" < 1237231328 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Slalom Skiing in 0.92-1 is hard (#17) < 1237231328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1237231378 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1237231434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst: yep, that one took me quite a while < 1237231438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a trick to it, though < 1237231463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better, it's a trick you can work out entirely on visible information, it's not like there's a hidden thing you have to find or something like that < 1237231489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : In Oxyd®, you could take a break with this item. During the break, you could analyse the whole level stresslessly. In Enigma, the cup does not have any special properties yet. < 1237231493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definition of the coffee < 1237231514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed the slalom one < 1237231537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on both easy and hard < 1237231550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it on hard, and doing it on easy can be done the same way as doing it on hard < 1237231553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :below par for easy < 1237231565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 seconds above par for hard < 1237231593 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#58 light barriers, how do you get that block?! < 1237231607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I solved it, above par < 1237231624 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: did you do salom, above par, on hard, you solved it? < 1237231626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, also the mirrors duh < 1237231632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst: 58 in which pack? < 1237231635 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, did you solve slalmon, on hard, above par? < 1237231638 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 0.92-1 < 1237231645 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1237231647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, I solved it on both, on easy below par, on hard above par < 1237231648 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can move the lasers < 1237231651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said < 1237231658 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I do not like them, Sam I am < 1237231666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, what? < 1237231671 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE NO CULTURE> < 1237231682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, what the hell are you referring to < 1237231685 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>__________< < 1237231705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a Dr. Seuss book < 1237231711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're books of nonsense intended for children < 1237231711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Your culture is not universal, you know. Although I've heard enough by cultural osmosis to understand that much. < 1237231717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are great fun to read out loud < 1237231719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1237231725 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say Green Eggs and Ham is fairly universal < 1237231734 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard that thing, don't know what it's about tho < 1237231736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did google "sam" but that returned Seattle Art Museum < 1237231737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1237231738 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sam i am thing < 1237231741 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything in English is universal < 1237231745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: google "green eggs and ham" < 1237231746 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: :P < 1237231748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the quotes < 1237231749 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think it was just the name of an episode of some series < 1237231750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ...? < 1237231753 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, we watched some sort of green-eggs-and-ham cartoonification just the-day-before-yesterday. < 1237231760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I do not like green eggs and ham. I do not like them, Sam-I-Am." < 1237231780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "automaton magic" < 1237231788 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1237231789 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it. < 1237231794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solved it below par here. and just two seconds above world record < 1237231811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 29 seconds instead of 27 < 1237231820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that level < 1237231825 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdR0LXOiEB8 I think was the clip. < 1237231831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :engima 0.92-1 #83 < 1237232019 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dark house on them am do I or there and eat if rain they anywhere eggs in Sam train are fox let asy tree be goat like see try boat good may so will box green me thank with car ham mouse that would could here not the you. < 1237232025 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/asy/say/ < 1237232028 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most zen sentence ever. < 1237232070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, did you make that up now? < 1237232081 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's the complete set of words used in Green Eggs and Ham. < 1237232086 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Eggs_and_Ham#Lexicon < 1237232097 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All 50 of them, of which 49 are monosyllabic. < 1237232111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1237232199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1237232221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, I don't think they are intended to be written together like that < 1237232230 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh really? < 1237232230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1237232248 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eggs in Sam train or fox... I think Dr Seuss is warning us from the grave < 1237232249 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are < 1237232254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, no, it is "for beginning readers" after all < 1237232257 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The eggs in any train owned by Sam are inevitably foxes! < 1237232259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 words in one sentence? < 1237232264 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh true. < 1237232285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, even an experienced reader have trouble keeping the context in such a long sentence < 1237232303 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone make a huge sentence that ends with 10 proposition :-P < 1237232304 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1237232322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, and someone made a sentence out of a single word: buffalo < 1237232324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your point? < 1237232327 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "I do not like green eggs and ham. I do not like them, Sam-I-Am." <<< wait green eggs? :D something started gnawing me about that sentence, but i could not quite put my finger on it until now < 1237232333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh make not made < 1237232334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread < 1237232337 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo with. < 1237232347 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ofc green eggs might actually mean something other than rotten eggs, i just don't know what) < 1237232361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the book, they're just like ordinary eggs, except they're green < 1237232373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, odd bird? spilled paint? < 1237232382 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the cartoon, the ham is also green, IIRC. < 1237232434 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, i've been trying to leave irc for like 20 minutes now, now seriously < 1237232435 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1237232561 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1237232634 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1237232723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://swtch.com/plan9port/screenshots/opensolaris.png <-- is that window manager gnome? < 1237232736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Solaris had some custom one < 1237232743 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not nowadays. < 1237232760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1237232769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, I still think OpenWindows was a nice one ;P < 1237232777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's certainly possible to theme Gnome to look like that < 1237232784 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that is gnome < 1237232785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could do that with other window managers too < 1237232786 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very obviously < 1237232792 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: window decoration, the style of taskbar buttons < 1237232794 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the show desktop button < 1237232798 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the desktop selector < 1237232800 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the icons next to it < 1237232805 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the icons on the desktop & their shadow < 1237232809 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the text rendering < 1237232811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I don't use default Gnome icons anyway < 1237232812 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the terminal's menu bar and icon < 1237232823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, the taskbar buttons look like unthemed Gnome < 1237232835 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's themed, just the default theme :P < 1237232904 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solaris' CDE wasn't what I'd call nice. Glrbh. < 1237232920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default theme is bluer than that < 1237232940 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1237232942 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1237232944 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1237232950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well of course you can theme it, But the icons looked gnome style. So did the applets. < 1237232954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wasn't sure < 1237232963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I remembered solaris using something else < 1237232969 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's debian's default theme at least < 1237232982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I haven't used gnome for years < 1237232997 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2005-July/msg00269.html I think I understand why gnome is shit now < 1237233033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, the linked images are 404 < 1237233043 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Because it is from 2005 and linkrot. < 1237233049 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations for noticing. < 1237233070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, did it get accepted? < 1237233075 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1237233080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that patch < 1237233082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or change < 1237233083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatecer < 1237233085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever* < 1237233087 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/facepalm < 1237233093 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm dropping this conversation thread < 1237233097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1237233099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the mail < 1237233102 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_exit(1); < 1237233103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not the responses yet < 1237233110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what the hell are you talking about < 1237233120 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me, what are we talking about? < 1237233125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2005-July/msg00269.html < 1237233127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about that < 1237233129 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_exit(1); < 1237233132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be a patch to change the theme < 1237233137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default that is < 1237233138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, they're making it-sensor visible in Enigma 1.01? < 1237233149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't do that, or at least they should give an option for invisible sensors < 1237233155 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it-sensor? < 1237233155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ?? < 1237233168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst: it's an invisible item which makes commands run when you go over it < 1237233178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also "making" implies engima 1.01 isn't released yet? I'm pretty sure it is < 1237233178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an invisible trigger, but you can't hear it and it doesn't care about stones < 1237233182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1.10 < 1237233185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1237233212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can you place it below some other tile? < 1237233225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have one floor, one stone, one item, and any number of actors on a square < 1237233231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1237233245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about those levels where you go under something that looks like a floor? < 1237233247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they work < 1237233256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are hollow stones which look the same as the floor beneath them < 1237233262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1237233267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can have an item under them < 1237233274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a floor under that (you wouldn't want to fall, would you?) < 1237233798 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sq, Qs, qnyqnq? < 1237233813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, mhm < 1237233847 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1237233848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about the things you gets with explosives. and remove with spades < 1237233854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know the name < 1237233858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hollows are items < 1237233861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1237233875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, because you can't drop an item on their square, but you can have different sorts of floor under them, and push stones over them < 1237233971 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1237234026 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1237234935 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1237235109 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-13-99.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1237235133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1237235149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what are actors? < 1237235170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in engima I mean < 1237235183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: marbles, tops, etc < 1237235188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1237235191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that aren't restricted to integer coordinates < 1237235226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I would assume they are, just integer coords == pixels instead of == tiles < 1237235235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do they really use float? < 1237235280 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary reals < 1237235638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not likely < 1237235639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's floats < 1237235646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why on earth? < 1237235662 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You were an X-Chatter, right? Do you happen to know how the "Colored nick names" thing picks colors for nicks? < 1237235663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so their physics simulations work better < 1237235673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1237235700 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it picks the most appropriate color for the personality < 1237235752 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is randomly happy < 1237235767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Do you feel purple, then? < 1237235809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament's a sort of mauve on my client, the same colour as fizzie < 1237235811 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like purple prose. < 1237235814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and FireFly, for that matter < 1237235826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's green, and qhqrdghqst's cyan < 1237235841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok is a slightly redder purple than lament < 1237235854 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've succeded in displaying a pic at my DS < 1237235856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Asztal_'s grey < 1237235857 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering, because this has decided that ais523 and AnMaster have the same color, which is non-optimal as you people so often coincide temporally. < 1237235895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I used to use xchat once upon a time < 1237235898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowdays I use ERC < 1237235905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I never used coloured nicks in xchat < 1237235911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that feature < 1237235914 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right. < 1237235924 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just hashes the nickname < 1237235929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to use three colours: "normal, highlighted, own message" < 1237235966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and I'm more a dark blue person < 1237235970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than green < 1237235974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though green is ok < 1237235975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I'm a dark blue person too < 1237235977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also cyan < 1237235986 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION transparent, like ninja. < 1237236008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarine is nice < 1237236031 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION octarine < 1237236052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, doesn't go with transparent I'm afraid < 1237236069 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the text part already has the normal-highlighted-own split, so I don't mind nicks being rather colorful. < 1237236100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I do that for all of the lines, and no nick column rainbow < 1237236132 0 :Hiato1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1237236175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, what do you think of the look of plan9 < 1237236188 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's usable but very ... well, 1992s. < 1237236191 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that color_of(char *name) is just sum of all the bytes in name, modulo amount of colors in the fixed set used for nicknames. < 1237236192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok < 1237236193 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s././ < 1237236203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, you think GTK is worse? < 1237236209 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolutely. < 1237236219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, what about QT? < 1237236228 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's so boring I could take a shit on it. < 1237236233 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get my analogy. < 1237236239 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Qt is acceptable. Sometimes. < 1237236246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, mhm. Motif? < 1237236260 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Motif I can help it < 1237236266 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For guidance on the above sentence, see oerjan.) < 1237236271 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the particular piece of code divides by sizeof (char), which is a rather silly way of saying 1. < 1237236293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, well it is a "meta" style pun I think < 1237236301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is it is supposed to sound like something else < 1237236303 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. < 1237236304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know what < 1237236307 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronounce it out aloud < 1237236310 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"motif i can help it" < 1237236325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just did. But I'm not sure how to pronounce motif in English < 1237236327 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "not if" when your nose is stuffed. < 1237236338 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You spoiled it :P < 1237236340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1237236357 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm a spoiler. < 1237236361 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (! < 1237236368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sound more like "note if" than "not if" < 1237236380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I mispronouncing motif? < 1237236388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, ? < 1237236398 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah. < 1237236400 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bad pun < 1237236419 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Here's a nice colourerer: abs (foldl xor 255 nick). < 1237236420 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* IPA: /məʊ'tif/; you do need a bit of imagination there. < 1237236427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, so is it a long or a short t in motif? < 1237236431 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1237236433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I can't really read that < 1237236439 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl xor 255 (map ord nick). < 1237236441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, err o not t < 1237236470 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colourNick nick = foldl xor 255 (map ord nick) < 1237236474 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Moo-tif", the interface of choice for cows. < 1237236483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1237236510 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Data.Char Data.Bits Test.QuickCheck> colourNick "AnMaster" < 1237236510 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :236 < 1237236511 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Data.Char Data.Bits Test.QuickCheck> colourNick "ais523" < 1237236513 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :176 < 1237236515 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect distinguishotron. < 1237236517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err so what is the difference between "note" and "not" then. It isn't "long/short" o < 1237236531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst: what is the number? selection between 256 possible colours? < 1237236536 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep < 1237236541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since motif ends up a bit like note if the way I say it < 1237236548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be hard to find 256 different-looking colours < 1237236552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1237236557 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use the standard palette < 1237236562 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get too many similar colours < 1237236577 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let colourNick nick = foldl xor 16 (map ord nick) `mod` 16 < 1237236580 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also seems to work acceptably < 1237236647 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "note" is /nəʊt/, "not" is just /nɒt/. So there's an "ou"-style diphthong in "note". < 1237236655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, ah < 1237236657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1237236658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1237236675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But yes, "motif" is closer to "note if" than "not if". < 1237236688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1237236692 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-92.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1237236719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1237236725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got an idea for the perfect OS < 1237236742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably quite different from ehird's/my < 1237236749 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I was thinking, ais523... < 1237236750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a combination of Genera, Plan 9 and QNX < 1237236751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are somewhat different from each other < 1237236769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think? < 1237236769 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, first, those are so completely different that you couldn't combine them reasonably < 1237236777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, yeah probably < 1237236777 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :secondly, QNX isn't very interesting apart from being embedded < 1237236790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, it is very stable though < 1237236798 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QNX didn't invent stability < 1237236799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about just combining the first two? < 1237236803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, that is true < 1237236807 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AnMaster: well, first, those are so completely different that you couldn't combine them reasonably" < 1237236813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, hm < 1237236817 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding random good stuff together isn't a recipe for success. < 1237236823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1237236844 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QNX does have interesting aspects. The distributedness stuff is fancy. < 1237236864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having almost everything in userspace < 1237236868 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan 9 has a distributed CPU system < 1237236870 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is excellent < 1237236877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, IPC and scheduling are in kernel, that's about it < 1237236888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1237236891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my OS is so microkernel, it even has its userspace in userspace! < 1237236898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, -_- < 1237236927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all your features are belong to userspace < 1237236945 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also something funny related to the file systemics, but I've forgotten what it was. My only QNX experiments were several years ago. < 1237236954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, same < 1237237001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/img/mirtchov/interpolate.gif <-- that's pretty < 1237237021 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like every ELER comic ever! < 1237237043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean: ELLE comic < 1237237044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1237237051 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/ < 1237237055 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody Loves Eric Raymond < 1237237097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And GIMP now supports CMYK" <-- ? Really? *looks* < 1237237365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a future version will have it < 1237238223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1237238241 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1237238245 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1237238248 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoopsie. < 1237238285 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am definitely not ready for this third-millennium gooey-IRC thing. < 1237238296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what? < 1237238342 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-13-254.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1237238363 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should make a realtime javascript raytracer. (At this point qhqrdghqst dies of unbelievable stupidity.) < 1237238383 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you press Ctrl-W? < 1237238385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst: it'll take you something like 20 years for the hardware to catch up < 1237238386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow accidentally closed this tab-or-whatever-it-is, maybe with ^w or something. I've never accidentally typed "/part #esoteric" or something. < 1237238409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accidental mouse clicks are what most commonly close tabs by mistake for me < 1237238410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ctrl-m in xchat is "move marker of last line read in channel" iirc < 1237238416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it clear window? < 1237238418 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, with TraceMonkey it'll be native-code-speed. < 1237238424 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "mvoe marker line". < 1237238428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err... why are you nickpinging me with that details? < 1237238429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/mvoe/move/ < 1237238437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what? < 1237238445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: unfortunately native speed isn't fast enough for realtime raytracing either < 1237238458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I must have misread < 1237238460 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, it's been done... < 1237238462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two things < 1237238472 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1237238474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" fizzie: did you press Ctrl-W?" turned out as " fizzie: did you press Ctrl-M?" < 1237238476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea how < 1237238476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1237238492 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1237238536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been things that you could consider real-time ray-tracing, if you want to be polite about it, in demoscene prods a long time. < 1237238572 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On June 12, 2008 Intel demonstrated Enemy Territory: Quake Wars using ray tracing for rendering, running in basic HD (720p) resolution. ETQW operated at 14-29 frames per second. The demonstration ran on a 16-core (4 socket, 4 core) Tigerton system running at 2.93 GHz.[10] < 1237238579 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a 16-core system, me. < 1237238586 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be pleasurable. < 1237238599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/16/1839231 < 1237238602 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst: Just get a couple of microwaves, then you can do another core-counting experiment. < 1237238611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that Intel and AMD are rowing over x86 < 1237238623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they end up revoking each other's licences, all sorts of ridiculous things could happen < 1237238637 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1237238641 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably they'll just find a loophole and change a minor bug to make it "not x86" < 1237238644 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1237238662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/16/1839231 <-- huh < 1237238670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that a huh? < 1237238675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because only ehird links people to things randomly? < 1237238683 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goatse.ca/ < 1237238690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1237238693 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... which is now squatted < 1237238710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, what about the cx original? < 1237238723 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: someone else owns it; it has a picture of a LEGO thing that looks like a goatse but it's SWF. < 1237238728 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safe for work that is. < 1237238729 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not flahs < 1237238731 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*flash < 1237238731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1237238739 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're trying to sell it < 1237238758 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Buy a piece of Internet history." < 1237238772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst: what happened to the picture of Bill O'Reilly? < 1237238776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it ever existed? < 1237238783 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@i-167.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1237238784 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was replaced < 1237239010 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow. < 1237239012 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrible idea. < 1237239065 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb -> < 1237239065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the horrible idea? < 1237239075 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he went to implement it immediately. < 1237239249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1237239939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1237239953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have been a really horrible one. < 1237241411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1237241426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhqrdghqst, btw do you know any good breakout game for OS X that is free? < 1237241610 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1237241872 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1237242117 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1237242163 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1237242718 0 :qhqrdghqst!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1237242833 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1237242916 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how to implement motion blur in canvas < 1237242942 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where by "motion blur" I just mean blend in some previous frames < 1237242950 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could create invisible canvases < 1237243150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just always draw N frames, but that doesn't sound very fast. < 1237243217 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by invisible canvases do you mean translucent canvases? < 1237243267 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have 5 canvases, and draw to each one in turn, changing the Z-order so that the most-recently-drawn-to canvas is at the top < 1237243291 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work :| < 1237243364 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1237243374 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just crashed firefox < 1237243377 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hung < 1237243417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use the toDataURL("image/png") or something to get the current frame as an image, then render those. But that would mean one extra PNG creation operation and N-1 extra PNG decoding operations per frame. The "pile of canvasii" approach sounds most sensible. < 1237243458 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to do a translucent draw under the assumption that it's probably faster than css < 1237243497 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since that means copying data and the other approach doesn't < 1237243498 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1237243592 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be some sort of getImageData functions you maybe could use; it still involves copying, but at least there's no PNG creation stuff. < 1237243599 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the canvas3D canvas context would make this a lot faster :) < 1237243622 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm using that < 1237243624 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1237243629 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I can't putimagedata between canvases < 1237243630 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1237243657 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH THANK GOD < 1237243663 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEONE is finally havnig hardware-accelerated 3d < 1237243708 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scratch that < 1237243711 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just setting it up wrong < 1237243891 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL HELLO THERE < 1237243898 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox is leaking memory like crazy < 1237243914 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not freeing the image datas < 1237243915 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1237243936 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'll use the overlay-canvases approach < 1237244014 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does sound simpler, at the very least. < 1237244025 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi! < 1237244303 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qoid.us/cv.html <-- don't run in a slow browser < 1237244451 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. < 1237244464 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should add friction. < 1237244515 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds more balls < 1237244522 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where by "ball" I mean "square" < 1237244537 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add friction! < 1237244541 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and drag! < 1237244631 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how slow collision detection will be < 1237244632 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not very < 1237244640 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe slow if I have 100 balls < 1237244657 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do quad tree searching it should be efficient < 1237244663 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is that < 1237244666 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1237244712 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for your thing it wouldnt be an issue since you're using squares < 1237244740 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, screw collision detection < 1237244742 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, < 1237244852 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1237244864 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1237244869 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor http://qoid.us/cv.html < 1237245097 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1237245098 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic! < 1237245105 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :collision is better. < 1237245161 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy < 1237245166 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because what if they're colliding by multiple pixels < 1237245246 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you better get a time resolution good enough for that to happen :) < 1237245250 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not happen < 1237245469 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: quad trees are one of the data structures that split R^n into hypercubes so you can check whether containing hypercubes intersect before doing the actual collision check. < 1237245474 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(glad i could help) < 1237245518 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it's not fast enough :p < 1237245522 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err actually quad tree is not one of them. < 1237245526 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can do physics faster than actually drawing < 1237245530 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, < 1237245531 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to get canvas 3d to work on beta 3.1 < 1237245535 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but guess it can be used as such < 1237245537 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok! < 1237245542 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me tell you about quantifiers :D < 1237245545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: that's shit < 1237245550 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what < 1237245550 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1237245564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof: < 1237245568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.blahbleh.com/whyiesucks.htm < 1237245576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 3d cube, with motion blur, in canvas, getting ~50fps < 1237245581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur doing it wrong, evidently :P < 1237245586 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: um, so? < 1237245589 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw that < 1237245597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and... motion blur isn't that hard? < 1237245598 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the boxes are going perfectly fast (not measuring fps) < 1237245606 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, can i can i huh huh huh < 1237245610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lbreakout2 < 1237245612 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that's drawing the cubes repeatedly for the motion blur < 1237245621 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they do collide by more than one pixel I think < 1237245623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my delay was me scraping most of the skin off the back of my foot ^_^ < 1237245633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By mistake, that is. < 1237245644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 FPS *with an encoding run going*. < 1237245663 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs pikhq with rapier < 1237245665 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you can tell me seven sentences < 1237245676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, awful idea time < 1237245682 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all learnable natural language quantifiers are conservative. < 1237245691 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWS SEVEN WORDS < 1237245709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this on 4 year old hardware. < 1237245722 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: interesting! what does that mean?` < 1237245724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canvas is still shit :P < 1237245728 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have another 7 words. < 1237245728 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly? < 1237245732 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite fast and a lot better than flash < 1237245735 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mean? < 1237245741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Less shit than everything else. < 1237245741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: compare that to SDL < 1237245751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, everything else on the web. < 1237245751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck you could script SDL with spidermonkey < 1237245754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be 39487539457345 times faster < 1237245768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to a proper programming environment, well, yeah. Canvas sucks. < 1237245777 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose Q is a quantifier, relating two sets, e.g. Q(X,Y) = |X intersect Y| > |X-Y| (== "most X are Y") < 1237245778 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I doubt it < 1237245795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, really. < 1237245798 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Q is conservative if and only if: Q(X,Y) iff Q(X, X intersect Y) < 1237245810 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really 300 trillion times faster? < 1237245813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no. < 1237245837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now. < 1237245838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil time < 1237245869 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hg.mozilla.org/users/vladimir_mozilla.com/canvas3d/ < 1237245873 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck am I supposed to compile that < 1237245877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with butts < 1237245882 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up < 1237245889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hg.mozilla.org/users/vladimir_mozilla.com/canvas3d/file/f050229f6011/Makefile.in < 1237245891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makefile.in; happy? < 1237245899 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very < 1237245950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, my evil idea is kinda related to this < 1237245960 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1237246030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoreconf&&./configure&&make&&make install? < 1237246207 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: awesome < 1237246260 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its even cooler < 1237246261 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1237246274 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all conservative quantifiers can be built up in very simple was < 1237246276 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ways* < 1237246277 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely: < 1237246284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing psygnisfive get excited about linguistics amuses me < 1237246341 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any boolean operation over conservative quantifiers gives a conservative quantifier < 1237246382 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and: Q(X intersect C, Y) is conservative, for any set C < 1237246398 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these two together produce ALL and ONLY the conservative quantifiers < 1237246413 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you start with a single conservative quantifier all(X,Y) < 1237246414 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1237246423 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some(X,Y). < 1237246486 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1237246501 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is /very/ interesting indeed < 1237246552 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1237246557 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think i don't actually know what you mean by quantifier when it comes to language < 1237246570 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :words like all, some, most, many, few < 1237246572 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the numbers < 1237246580 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1237246590 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more-than < 1237246612 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1237246619 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what quantifier would 5 be? < 1237246634 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 cats are small < 1237246641 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm righ < 1237246642 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1237246650 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5(X,Y) = |X intersect Y| = 5 < 1237246656 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== 5* < 1237246658 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeawh < 1237246660 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yeah < 1237246665 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually < 1237246666 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically < 1237246673 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5(X,Y) = |X intersect Y| >= 5 < 1237246682 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....yeah :) < 1237246723 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how would you construct most out of all? < 1237246800 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue :D < 1237246806 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most is < 1237246818 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most(X,Y) = |X intersect Y| > |X - Y| < 1237246821 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already defined most < 1237246828 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can try to reword it < 1237246834 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1237246839 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is legal in the transformation? < 1237246852 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boolean combinations of other conservative quantifiers < 1237246857 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just all(all(X),all(all(Y),all(Z))) kinda stuff? :| < 1237246868 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Q(X) -> !Q(X) < 1237246869 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1237246877 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh. < 1237246893 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q(X,Y), R(X,Y) -> Q(X,Y) op R(X,Y) < 1237246898 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for op some boolean operator < 1237246903 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right right. < 1237246908 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Q(X,Y) -> Q(X intersect C, Y) < 1237246912 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any set C < 1237246961 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all(X,Y) = X subset Y = X - Y == 0 < 1237247010 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeas < 1237247011 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill look at my references and see if they mention how to construct most from all < 1237247026 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do look, i'm not really in a thinking mood, kind of a math overdose < 1237247102 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god i want to learn chemistry < 1237247128 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1237247153 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know molecules and stuff they're very pretty. < 1237247216 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A semantic characterization of natural language determiners" is one of the papers that discusses this < 1237247241 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why don't you go look then :-) < 1237247258 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant get it < 1237247296 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have another article i can give you a copy of < 1237247310 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo exam next monday and i forgot to begin my reading journey today. < 1237247538 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have two articles for you. < 1237247551 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttt... i need to start my readings! < 1237247647 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellnowwhat.net/linguistics/quant1.pdf < 1237247649 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellnowwhat.net/linguistics/quant2.pdf < 1237247668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Trek: Some hydrogen stars go trekking. It's a gas! < 1237247713 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rimshot*