< 1238371201 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238371206 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes < 1238371308 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from Switzerland! < 1238371313 0 :oklowob!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"PJIRC @ http://webirk.dy.fi" < 1238371357 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-213.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238371397 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm < 1238371421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope this ubuntu in a vm craps out soon < 1238371427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to like it too much < 1238371440 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody know how the sample data in wav files is created? < 1238371445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pc < 1238371446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pcm < 1238371490 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.. Bah < 1238371505 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can stick different kinds of data in a .wav, though. < 1238371521 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've googled that.. I knew that I was using data type 1, eg. PCM >_< < 1238371523 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1238371547 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm going to generate the data, so I don't mind other types < 1238371551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uncompressed .wav files are pretty simple, anyway. < 1238371555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE FUCK, I like gnome < 1238371557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's happening to me < 1238371583 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You forgot to wear your velostat hat, now you're being abducted. < 1238371592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1238371605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hovika.ytmnd.com/ < 1238371628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :friend got that < 1238371634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not the author of that site) < 1238371666 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it feels like generating wavs isn't really the primary use of JS, though < 1238371689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lolwu < 1238371690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1238371691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: lolwut < 1238371717 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah < 1238371740 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though a JS sound editor would be cool < 1238371742 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is strange is: when BitsPerSample==8, wav file samples are unsigned bytes; but when BitsPerSample==16, the format seems to be signed little-endian two-byte integers. < 1238371757 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed < 1238371760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: how do you embed it? < 1238371761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data:? < 1238371771 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238371772 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of base64 < 1238371783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==data: < 1238371786 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I havn't actually played it in the browser yet :D < 1238371804 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I base64'd it and played it with mplayer, seem to work < 1238371832 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some random chippy noise, but it does get the correct length/metadata < 1238371870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chipmunk noise < 1238371946 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1238371952 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wigi says IE<=7 doesn't support data: URIs at all, and IE8 has a length restriction of 32k. That's very limitsy. < 1238371954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek DST < 1238371967 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE is IE < 1238371992 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't destroy my visions :( < 1238372000 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wikipedia article also has the following gem, in "advantages": "When fine tuning trafic volue: an embedded Base64 encoded image < 666 Byes of original data results in less then 866 Bytes Base64 data. This become more efficent then transfering this image + HTTP overhead (666 + 200 = 866 bytes)." < 1238372007 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very classy. < 1238372025 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1238372114 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238372161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's been -- http://sk89q.therisenrealm.com/playground/jswav/ -- doing that sort of stuff too. I wonder if any JavaScript demoscene prods have opted for something like that instead of just using music-in-a-file; perhaps not. < 1238372232 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238372312 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone stole my idea :( < 1238372321 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll live with it < 1238372331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those pesky time travelers < 1238372338 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do better. It's not a sound editor in there, after all. < 1238372418 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1238372475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Ubuntu-in-a-vm is working a little too well. < 1238372478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe pixies. < 1238372635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a vm with only 512mb it's sure hobbling along < 1238372649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1238373048 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nighty < 1238373065 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1238376001 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The English word "if" generally corresponds to conditional probability. < 1238376003 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bows < 1238376212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: why are you obsessed with bayesian probability logic vs natural language < 1238376530 0 :Dewio!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Dewi < 1238378153 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you should see windows xp in a vm < 1238378162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did that a few days ago < 1238378167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fast when i stripped it down < 1238378172 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the speed advantage is noticeable, to say the least < 1238378339 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap, got to 4am < 1238378342 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DST sucks < 1238378353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1238378470 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm off, laters < 1238379287 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1238379291 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238382097 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because AI and language happen to be interests of mine. < 1238386001 0 :neldoret1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1238386096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1238388332 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238388879 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1238390867 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238396479 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238397249 0 :tombom!i=tombom@82.26.199.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238397896 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238399154 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Coyote finally caught me" < 1238399167 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238399999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1238400000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1238407600 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"X-Chat -> http://xchat.org <- At least when I quit I don't look like a lamer" < 1238408796 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1238408993 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster < 1238410002 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238410495 0 :swistakm_!n=swistak@chello084010208142.chello.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1238410495 0 :swistakm!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1238418065 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1238418705 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238418883 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1238420541 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1238420581 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238420620 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238420637 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238420664 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238420771 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238420809 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238420811 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238420847 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238420847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: aww, poor cthulhu < 1238420873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ?? < 1238420881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238420884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1238420897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I agree < 1238421640 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238422383 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-65-85.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238423198 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238424103 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238424259 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238424566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1238425931 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238427295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, fizzie: There? SUBR: What should happen when stack cell count for the call or return is equal to zero? < 1238427307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does mycology test it for zero < 1238427328 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238428467 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238428609 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, catseye resurrected? < 1238428631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238428722 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238428786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: catseye has been resurrected since like 2006 < 1238429220 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1238429229 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must've been my resurrection that took longer then < 1238429297 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to see it still keeps that abominable background image < 1238429376 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a dream the other night, about a nice form on a website that presented you, after a series of questions, the open source license of your unconscious choice < 1238429735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: there's tons of those < 1238429748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, which abominable background < 1238429891 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the optical illusion, http://catseye.tc/images/backgrounds/sinewhite.png < 1238429980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: err, what is it meant to illuse < 1238429986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks just like a regular background to m < 1238429986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238430026 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry ;p < 1238430073 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be the color or the curving, yet it always made me dizzy < 1238430997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: assuming signed overflow does not occur when changing X +- C1 cmp C2 to X cmp C1 +- C2 <-- I wonder how to interpret this one... for while(n--) where I know n is >= 0 < 1238431237 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1238431259 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238431801 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is that gcc warning? < 1238431863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, yes < 1238431873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, gcc 4.2 or later < 1238432128 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why... perhaps because n = ; in the loop merges into condition check (just guessing)? < 1238432272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no < 1238432287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (n < 0) { < 1238432287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ip_reverse(ip); < 1238432287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return; < 1238432287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1238432289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then later < 1238432293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (n--) < 1238432294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : stack_push(ip->stack, stack_pop(tmpstack)); < 1238432298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my SUBR < 1238432310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that causes the warning on the line with "while (n--)" < 1238432318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n being a signed integer < 1238432358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, it seems to work anyway, just a bit confusing < 1238432445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X +- C1 cmp C2 to X cmp C1 +- C2 that would mean in this case (n--) != 0 into "n != 1-0"? < 1238432447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1238432450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1238432619 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (n-- != 0) transforms into (n -= 1, (n + 1) != 0) then it can be the case < 1238432640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238432642 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know gcc's internal well but that's only possible interpretation < 1238432792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok that transformation you suggested seem harmless in this case < 1238433351 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-1-23.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1238433857 0 :swistakm_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :swistakm < 1238434231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : __builtin_ia32_movntps(((float*)(void*)&cfun_static_space) + i*4, < 1238434231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *((const v4sf*)(const void*)&fspace_vector_init)); < 1238434236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, lovely code eh? < 1238434238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not) < 1238434243 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, < 1238434260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cast to void needed to shut up warnings about strict aliasing rules (they do not matter in this case) < 1238434348 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :movntps is for copying aligned bytes? (i'm not good at x86 assembly) < 1238434403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, WC is write combining too, and doesn't fill cache. Since I'm just space filling the static array for the commonly used part of funge space around 0,0 here... < 1238434449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Move Non-Temporal Packed Single-Precision Floating-Point < 1238434453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what it stands for < 1238434518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I don't know if I told you, but I use a static array for the most commonly used area around 0,0 in funge space, then a hash table for storing stuff outside that < 1238434522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this helped speed a lot < 1238434588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, and basically, storing 2 MB of spaces in the binary wouldn't be sane, so I fill it at startup. -ftree-vectorise vectorised the loop, but it still caused lots of L1 and L2 cache misses. Using a WC-style streaming store solved that. < 1238434592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have pure C fallback < 1238434608 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, i'm using just hash table (that's how the dict works in python) and i feel i have to add memory block for efficient storage... < 1238434628 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1238434697 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in current pyfunge space operation accounts for 50% of time or so, which is a huge bottleneck < 1238434740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, hum? I don't know how much this would actually help in python... Since some of this stuff is pretty low level. < 1238434744 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other bottleneck being command dispatch, but it is plenty of slow codes) < 1238434776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can reason about C code and often figure out what is most effective, because C is a rather thin abstraction on top of asm really. While for a high level language that is much harder. < 1238434788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you should still use profilers in both cases :) < 1238434799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since you can't always reason about either C or asm) < 1238434828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, hm gcc compiles my command dispatching into a big jump table basically. < 1238434838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is quite ok, but could be faster < 1238434841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb phone < 1238434842 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm just trying to revise storage mechanism, since pyfunge once had big bottleneck related to sysinfo's boundary calculation < 1238434961 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with respect to this current design is very inefficient, since it uses direct coordinate as key (e.g. {(0,0): 64, ...}) < 1238435141 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now pyfunge use caching and shortcut for sysinfo command, but it still takes too much time < 1238435163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1238435185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, oh boundary? I store it as two pairs of x.y < 1238435188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x,y* < 1238435203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, used for wrapping too < 1238435236 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to calculate exact boundary (as required for sysinfo)? < 1238435286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> let Cast a = Cast 3 < 1238435286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::1:4: < 1238435287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : My brain just exploded. < 1238435289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, well every time I write to funge space I have a couple of if that checks if bounds would grow. There is a known issue with shrinking bounds currently. But ccbi has that too < 1238435289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can't handle pattern bindings for existentially-quantified constructors. < 1238435291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(real error message) < 1238435308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, and thus mycology doesn't test it. in cfunge and ccbi bounds currently only grow < 1238435332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, those if compiles down to a couple of cmov btw :) < 1238435337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifs* < 1238435347 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, it seems pyfunge is correct for that case ;) < 1238435370 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pyfunge also uses inexact (only growing) boundary for wrapping, only updates to exact boundary if requested < 1238435403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, well a slow y would be a mess for HRTI test. < 1238435416 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that update takes too much, that's why i consider new algorithm < 1238435460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if I had to scan I would scan inwards from the bounds in sysinfo to find the real ones, and while I was at it also update the wrap bounds to not have to scan as much next time < 1238435476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ cache positions of non-space so I could just check next time if they were still non-space < 1238435491 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i know, and i ended up with doing update only if some put command can shrink the space < 1238435540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, hm? < 1238435552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you say scan only in sysinfo not put? < 1238435579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean invalidating cached inner bounds if a space is put in some edge cell? < 1238435584 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean invalidation < 1238435591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238435610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I assume you basically scan around the edge in a spiral inwards? < 1238435611 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and sorry for slow answer, i cannot write so fast in english...) < 1238435633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, heh I can write faster in English than my native language (Swedish). Too much IRC I guess... < 1238435653 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have to do so but not yet implemented, i'm testing with possible solutions right now < 1238435658 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238435693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: swedish and english is trivial compared to korean and english I imagine < 1238435701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I assume .kr is korean < 1238435711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh I didn't know where he was from < 1238435719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, .kr = korea < 1238435722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wasn't implying anything like that < 1238435723 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes right < 1238435723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: whois magick < 1238435763 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think that shouldn't be hard besides from nuance and idiom differences... < 1238435779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, korean and english seem really far apart to me < 1238435785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I only know the latter < 1238435861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, cache bounds, invalidate only when writing a space in an edge cell (remember fingerprint writes too!) sounds like the best way. Also update wrap bounds when you calculate new cached bounds if they grow inwards, will mean you won't have to go over so many spaces when wrapping possibly, thus reducing unneeded fetching of spaces when you are about to wrap after you have done an y < 1238435865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what I mean < 1238435909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway such a thing may be in the next cfunge release too, but not this one that I'm about to make tomorrow < 1238435945 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i should deploy such solution someday but i have one homework due to tomorrow, two homeworks due to 04-02 etc. ;) < 1238435955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1238435994 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shouldn't see mycology before 04-02... pyfunge thing took up my time too much (see hg log! ;) < 1238436464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes an internal icc header heh < 1238437818 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1238438261 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238438340 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1238438633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, mark pilgrim has an entire post, including video, about some 2006 supertux release. < 1238438649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like post-ironic blogmocking without the irony, post, or mocking < 1238439566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, guy in #haskell arguing visualworks smalltalk, which lets you view the source if you sign an NDA, is open source < 1238439567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238440302 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238440868 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238440912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just bound tons of unicode shit to keys ☺ < 1238440927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :←→↑↓↘↙↖↗ < 1238440934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ < 1238440935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :‽ < 1238440957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌃⌥⌘⇧ < 1238440969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹⁰ < 1238440972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1238440975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't do subscripts < 1238440986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☹ < 1238440989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift ones don't work < 1238440997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no blackie either → ☻ < 1238441038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The key combos are ⌃⌥(key) < 1238441047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ⌃⌥0-9 give superscript numbers < 1238441071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌃⌥- gives ☺, ⌃⌥= gives ☹ (paren keys) < 1238441080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌃⌥\ gives ‽ < 1238441091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌃⌥e = ⌃ < 1238441095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌃⌥w = ⌥ < 1238441100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌃⌥q = ⌃ < 1238441101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1238441105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e = ⌘ < 1238441108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r = ⇧ < 1238441115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, = ← < 1238441117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. = → < 1238441122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k = ↑ < 1238441124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l = ↓ < 1238441127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y ↖ < 1238441128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u ↗ < 1238441130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h ↙ < 1238441131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j ↘ < 1238441142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift-num is meant to be subscript < 1238441157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift - is meant to be ol' unicode blackie → ☻ < 1238441161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's it. < 1238441170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie would be proud < 1238441238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(λx. x) (λx. x) < 1238441254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I’ll add :: < 1238441267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For unicode haskellry < 1238441313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...nah < 1238441314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too uncommon < 1238441503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had interrobang shortcut key too, but I spent all the alphabetics to get most of the greek characters there are. Don't have that keymap in use any longer, though. < 1238441527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just pick from gucharmap when I need it, which is very uncomfortable and slow. < 1238441539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before: < 1238441540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose :: (a -> b) -> (c -> a) -> c -> b < 1238441540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose f g = \x -> f (g x) < 1238441543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After: < 1238441544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose ∷ (α → β) → (γ → α) → γ → β < 1238441546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose α β = λγ → α (β γ) < 1238441556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What did you need all Greek for, apart from unicode fauxskell? < 1238441579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder why my shift-y shortcuts aren't workin < 1238441581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' < 1238441614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought that since I had λ there, I might as well have the others too. They would be more useful in equation-writing except that there it's just simple to use LaTeX \alpha and so on. < 1238441655 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that sort of stuff work with a real house-cell implementation? < 1238441663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what? < 1238441672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean jewnicode haskell? < 1238441681 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :∷ and → in place of :: and ->, yes. < 1238441686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think everything there works with GHC if you enable unicode apart from the funky one-character ∷ < 1238441692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think the arrows work. < 1238441701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The greek stuff and the lambda does for certain. < 1238441770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://aralbalkan.com/2067 LOL WAT < 1238441774 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MzScheme didn't even do λ without a macro. < 1238441786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Tch. Haskell is the only language for enterprise uni-coding. < 1238441880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/431713.txt ← My ~/Library/KeyBindings/DefaultKeyBinding.dict. < 1238441898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ = ⌃ (control), ~ = ⌥ (option/alt), $ = ⇧ (shift). < 1238441904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patterns with $ in don’t work for some reason. < 1238441909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone wants to fix it feel free :P < 1238441927 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238442104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am addicted to ↑ already. < 1238442105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"quote" < 1238442107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ Foo < 1238442203 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's funny, this keymap does altgr-yui as ←↓→ by default. But I don't see up-arrow anywhere. < 1238442286 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, altgr-shift-u is ↑. < 1238442308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238442312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u is ↗ < 1238442313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me < 1238442319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of have "further away = more obscure arrows" < 1238442324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, and . are because of < and > < 1238442329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k and l are "above" < 1238442331 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't seem to have diagonals in this. < 1238442338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then to the left a bit we have a nice 4x4 block yuhj < 1238442345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for diagonals < 1238442372 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I first thought you had hjkl for the "obvious" arrow-directions, but seems that there were those 2x2 blocks. < 1238442383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1238442387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode needs more smiliez < 1238442416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This" keymap being XkbRules xorg, XkbModel pc105, XkbLayout fi, XkbVariant nodeadkeys, XkbOptions altwin:hyper_win,lv3:ralt_switch_multikey. < 1238442455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US Extended + that keybinding here. < 1238442468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⚇ is almost a smiley. Or ⚍. < 1238442475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK has shift-3 as £ and option-3 as #, which is back-asswards. US fixes that. < 1238442481 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Marvin < 1238442487 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ♾ is a guy with glasses on. < 1238442494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ⍥ < 1238442498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⍨ < 1238442503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it's "officially" U+267e permanent paper sign. < 1238442525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⍣ ← Butthole + Eyes < 1238442574 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :∿∿∿∿∿∿ < 1238442587 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beware of my sine waves < 1238442590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁇ ← That’s actually a separate character. < 1238442596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁈ and ⁉ too. < 1238442600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& ‼. < 1238442622 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of toyed about making a ^3d6 command to fungot which would return something like "⚄ + ⚁ + ⚂ = 10" but there are only normal six-sided die faces in there. < 1238442626 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I only knew about the double-bang < 1238442647 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dices, coolies < 1238442671 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The there's the religious dingbats, hazardous signs, chess pieces < 1238442688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a uncidoe for this? < 1238442689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unicode < 1238442692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the star < 1238442699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ERROR CORRECTION ASTERISK < 1238442719 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use "★foo" if you want to be "different". < 1238442734 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even ☄foo for maximum sillitude. < 1238442741 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's BLACK STAR and COMET.) < 1238442759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But that's not ^Isematically correct^I < 1238442764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☄semantically < 1238442772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe TIP-EX CORPORATE LOGO. < 1238442786 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⍟hi < 1238442812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⍟ DARING FIREBALL < 1238442814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, not quite. < 1238442826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DF’s logo is star-cut-out-of-circle. < 1238442831 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"†foo" is sometimes used for corrections, but for best results you'd have to be able to stick that † also to the place you're correcting. < 1238442834 0 :swistakm!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1238442840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks a bit t-like, too. < 1238442842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should make our own Unicode, with blackjack and hooker. < 1238442844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Characters. < 1238442859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ooh, maybe something like an overline, but an overstrike < 1238442865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes way above the baseline < 1238442870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it goes through the middle of the previous line < 1238442881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just pop some spaces in, put them in, and put your correction in < 1238442910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, maybe, < 1238442911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, wdrol! < 1238442912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ↑world < 1238442916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could script s// to do that < 1238442964 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up-arrow? < 1238442975 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/-/ / < 1238442988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yar. < 1238442994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ < 1238443000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knuth↑↑proudness < 1238443022 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMG knuth arrow < 1238443036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anti-knuth↓↓anti-arrows < 1238443074 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use * for small corrections, ⁑ for really bad typos, and ⁂ for just completely hopeless cases. < 1238443088 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about ideograph description sequence (IDS) to get really complex and useless ideographs? < 1238443094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heleo i am fcugking drnku < 1238443102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁂Greetings, I am here to inform you that I am currently intoxicated. < 1238443122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁑Erm. Also, Fornication. < 1238443144 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit sad that ⁂ has a funky name (asterism) but ⁑ has to get by with just "two asterisks aligned vertically". < 1238443154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASTERISM < 1238443161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s the funkay new religion. < 1238443174 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁂! I just had an asterism! < 1238443187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hawt < 1238443198 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..I read "Greek Extended" as "Geek Extended" < 1238443203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“I’ll asterism your genitals. If you know what I mean.” < 1238443205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : — Unicode < 1238443232 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes “” < 1238443249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah. < 1238443257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are bound by default. Option-[ and option-]. < 1238443261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1238443269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁂option-shift-] < 1238443274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁂option-shift-[ < 1238443278 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x⃣ ← the combining keycaps are also funky, but combining-character-rendering is always so iffy. < 1238443280 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad the alt gr mapping got all mixed up when I switched to Swedish Dvorak :( < 1238443280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :] is single quotes. < 1238443284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Woah. Awesome. < 1238443290 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_m)M!(_m)m.?]} < 1238443295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no egobot < 1238443312 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what would the code do? Crash? < 1238443331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Er, what does it do? < 1238443336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call itself a lot? < 1238443338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack overflow. < 1238443425 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1238443471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Memes” < 1238443476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : — “Memes” < 1238443481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : — “Memes” < 1238443489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so on, and so forth, and they all lived happily ever after. < 1238443519 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238443566 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1238443580 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ was alt gr+shift+U < 1238443630 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: That's what it is here too; I mentioned that. < 1238443689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lunix enterprise operation system < 1238443710 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1238443810 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238444110 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238444133 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238444141 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238444143 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238444143 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238444244 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238444244 0 :Asztal!n=moo@chunkybacon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1238444244 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238444287 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo again < 1238444450 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238444588 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238444633 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-1-23.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1238444828 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1238444977 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-213.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238445539 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238445556 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238445739 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1238446029 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1238446168 0 :neldoret1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238446179 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238446181 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238446467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1238446734 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1238446991 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1238449160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :←→↑ < 1238449164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↓ < 1238449166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a b start) < 1238449218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ϛ < 1238449837 0 :nooga!n=Freya@94.254.153.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238449868 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :developing a kernel under windows is so much pain in the ass < 1238449873 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::C < 1238450100 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238450374 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1238450856 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster_: (Re: SUBR) If a subroutine takes zero parameters then of course none are pushed onto/popped from the stack... < 1238450886 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster < 1238450887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1238451088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode seems unstable today. I didn't loose connection to any network, so it is not my bouncer as ehird likes to pretend usually < 1238451109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/pretend/think/ < 1238451126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode so needs proper symbols for correction. < 1238451192 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :㊣ - CIRCLED IDEOGRAPH CORRECT? < 1238451199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw < 1238451211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn’t Unicode have useful things‽ < 1238451216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1238451220 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burp < 1238451450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1238451475 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use ⎀ if your correction happens to be a missing "a", but you have to know in-advance where you'll be needing it, since you need to put it on the previous line. < 1238451497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238451506 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's a bit limited. < 1238451507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : developing a kernel under windows is so much pain in the ass <-- why do it then? < 1238451522 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because installing an OS is also a pain in the ass? < 1238451563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Er, it is? < 1238451567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fooled me you could have. < 1238451573 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it to be. < 1238451588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have to agree with your sarcasm there < 1238451606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed Ubuntu fully in ~20 minutes. It gets harder if you move data across, but not much: stick them on USB sticks or something. < 1238451606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never found OS installing (apart from windows) to be painful < 1238451614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, y'know, have data on a different partition. < 1238451623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes windows is painful, a lot thanks to microsoft minutes being used < 1238451631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 microsoft minutes < 1238451643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well I found installing xp in a vm quite easy. < 1238451651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took about 40 mins < 1238451653 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to repartition a hard drive, which possibly involves getting another from somewhere, and I don't consider a freshly-booted OS fully installed yet. < 1238451662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a pain with all the registering and activation thingies < 1238451665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repartitioning a harddrive is trivial < 1238451667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh well yeah < 1238451689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but windows/microsoft update is way more painful I agree than the actual install < 1238451697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1238451702 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+23E5 FLATNESS: ⏥. Certainly, that is the concept of flatness, compressed into a single symbol. < 1238451714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That’s not… well… flat. < 1238451721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s poking upwards. < 1238451731 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably have to just look at it in the right way. < 1238451733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I only reboot for kernel upgrade. I even do glibc upgrades in runlevel < 1238451741 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Become one with the flatness, you know. < 1238451741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Remember unpatched XP? Anyone on the internet could cause a dialog to pop up on your computer if they knew your IP. < 1238451744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You got one every 10 seconds or so. < 1238451753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, never had that < 1238451755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All ads for shady antiviruses and whatnot. < 1238451760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm behind NAT though < 1238451763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how was it done? < 1238451774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's a command meant to do that over a LAN < 1238451779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :messaging service or something < 1238451781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :winpop? < 1238451783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1238451784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that < 1238451785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was left open to any networkable address < 1238451797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That net-messaging thing was in wfw3.11 already, although I think you had to run a program to make it work. < 1238451822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: loads of shady sites sold tools that basically mined for ip addresses then spammed them with that < 1238451827 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Made a .bazaar/bazaar.conf which allowed me to get cfunge: it runs through Mycology in 00.01elapsed, CCBI takes 00.10 < 1238451829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marketed as "new age marketing tool", that sort of shite < 1238451840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00.01elapsed < 1238451842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1238451849 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time outputs? < 1238451855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: time varies wildly < 1238451857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1238451859 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.00user 0.00system 0:00.01elapsed 90%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k < 1238451859 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0inputs+0outputs (0major+2108minor)pagefaults 0swaps < 1238451859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00.01? < 1238451860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lunchtime doubly s—— < 1238451868 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— < 1238451872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I never seen time output that < 1238451877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two dashes = I was just shot. < 1238451886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real 0m0.003s < 1238451886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user 0m0.001s < 1238451886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys 0m0.002s < 1238451890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like that < 1238451893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.00 real 0.00 user 0.00 sys < 1238451895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(was for echo) < 1238451896 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider /usr/bin/time < 1238451898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I am sparctacus! < 1238451900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1238451902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spartacus. < 1238451905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SPARCtacus?) < 1238451905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not found here < 1238451917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what package < 1238451924 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That almost looks like the tcsh "time". < 1238451924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1238451928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time I use is the bash builtin < 1238451929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: /bin/time, maybe? < 1238451933 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: time 1.7-1 < 1238451935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not that either < 1238451936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone has an external time. < 1238451944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it's required. < 1238451952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's time is BSD time < 1238451958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses BSD minutes < 1238451963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can't find one < 1238451981 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.00u 0.00s 0:00.00 0.0% +k(k,^:k) +io +sock pf+w sig cs is what tcsh's time outputs. < 1238451984 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's http://www.gnu.org/software/time/time.html < 1238451987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol tcsh < 1238451995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: lol gnu < 1238452004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238452006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYZ GNU ECHO < 1238452007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION emerges sys-process/time < 1238452007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's featureful < 1238452015 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gives me the count of page faults and other pointless stats so I find it fun < 1238452016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1238452018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu hello < 1238452032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# /bin/echo --help | wc -l < 1238452032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :27 < 1238452033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238452034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1238452034 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solaris' external time (/usr/bin/time) is "\nreal 0.0\nuser 0.0\nsys 0.0\n" with a bit more whitespace. < 1238452051 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usage: time [-p] utility [argument...] < 1238452056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ) echo --help < 1238452056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--help < 1238452065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hah < 1238452075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, "echo" is external, in Fish) < 1238452082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah I agree gnu fails < 1238452087 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This GNU time has: Usage: /usr/bin/time [-apvV] [-f format] [-o file] [--append] [--verbose] [--portability] [--format=format] [--output=file] [--version] [--quiet] [--help] command [arg...] < 1238452088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but why the ) ? < 1238452092 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8484/dupkax.jpg how does it look like? < 1238452092 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU time also has a -v option which makes it spout over 20 lines of data < 1238452106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: my prompt is (compressed pwd) in green, where compressed = ~/foo/bar/baz becomes ~/f/b/baz < 1238452113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I prefer callgrind, cachegrind, gprof and gcov when I need such things < 1238452117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and oprofile < 1238452122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: what typeface is that? < 1238452124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238452135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole thing looks nice apart from the colours of "rad". < 1238452138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're kind of clashy. < 1238452147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the bottom of the d's tail looks odd. < 1238452150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from that I really like it. < 1238452175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the shape of the r really < 1238452182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the d issue yeah < 1238452184 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: circumsized Myriad pro < 1238452202 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's a d-tail < 1238452206 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;] < 1238452212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: This is the first time I’ve ever heard “circumsized” applied to a typeface. This is a historic moment. < 1238452224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually my manly self protection reflexes are kicking in round about now. < 1238452237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don’t do that. :-P < 1238452238 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably an artefact < 1238452249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ /usr/bin/time --help < 1238452250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: /usr/bin/time [-apvV] [-f format] [-o file] [--append] [--verbose] < 1238452250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [--portability] [--format=format] [--output=file] [--version] < 1238452250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [--help] command [arg...] < 1238452251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is usual < 1238452253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unusual* < 1238452256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a GNU tool < 1238452257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it looks like someone opened paint, selected a large block on green, and put it slightly off from the bottom of the d < 1238452328 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1238452341 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i edit it in vector form it's okay < 1238452341 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1238452361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: just fix up the colours of that there rad. Also use png or svg dammit < 1238452362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the bash builtin time is more accurate < 1238452368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three decimals < 1238452380 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh noes the inaccuracy!! < 1238452389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, for cfunge it matters. it is so quick < 1238452389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238452395 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you'd say that < 1238452398 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're wrong < 1238452404 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter, precisely because it is so quick < 1238452410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ So true < 1238452417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you get to the point that the wall clock time is 0.00s... you're done < 1238452428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you’re done well before that < 1238452428 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you have to do then is get a slower computer :-P < 1238452438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is anyone appreciating my “”‘’ quotes? < 1238452442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, cpufreq-set -g powersave ;P < 1238452443 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well no, you're not 'done', you're just 'good enough' < 1238452443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it’s quite a lot of work. < 1238452459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: This is a shit definition of “done” < 1238452466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I didn't notice those quotes even... < 1238452470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you mentioned it < 1238452476 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By 'done' here I mean there's nothing conceivable left to do < 1238452479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Crank up the font size :-P < 1238452488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fuggly! < 1238452498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…are you saying the quotes are fugly? < 1238452503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when did good typography become *fugly*? < 1238452504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no... < 1238452508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1238452509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :large font size is < 1238452512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. Now I don't have to kill you. < 1238452523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You know, 16px on screen = 11pt in print. < 1238452535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, DejaVu Sans Mono 9 < 1238452535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should probably not strain your eyes. < 1238452543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is easy to read on this screen < 1238452551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only because you’re used to it. < 1238452559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah well, let me know when you go blind ey. < 1238452559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, because low DPI < 1238452562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1238452564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel for you. < 1238452565 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually what I'm using too; I used to have it at 8 but I raised it to 9 < 1238452576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, heh... < 1238452591 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or actually hmm < 1238452593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was 10 before I got new glasses last time < 1238452595 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my size in Vim < 1238452597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I had to reduce it < 1238452604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was so large < 1238452606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1238452612 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urxvt says pixelsize=12, maybe that's 9 < 1238452627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I’m going to have to demand you use the new industry standard: ↑ < 1238452632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh I thought we were talking pixels. < 1238452641 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm fairly sure it's pt. < 1238452646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 9, that is, that Vim uses. < 1238452653 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is 12px, anyway. :-P < 1238452653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which open and free standard that is FSF supported and freely available are you referring to? < 1238452656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12px is… well, it’s still bad but I can make it out at least. ☺ < 1238452673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: My butt’s newly decreed “IRC Unicode usage application” < 1238452692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, haven't even passed through ISO < 1238452701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or IEC. < 1238452707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dude, ISO accepted Microsoft’s OOXML. < 1238452715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you still listen to them‽ < 1238452720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, your butt == EMCA?!?! < 1238452723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See that? That’s an interrobang.) < 1238452727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Mhm. < 1238452730 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"URxvt.font: xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:size=8" nowadays here. < 1238452735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit obvious isn’t it when you think about it < 1238452736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I used a ‽ on irc recently < 1238452759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://site.ringce.com/products/slammer/slammer.html ← Oh fuck I need this a few months ago, pronto. No more baseline.png. < 1238452773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baseline.png? < 1238452815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a png of (baseline size in ems converted to pixels (the size when viewed on my display))px height and 1px width with one gray pixel at the bottom. < 1238452826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can design to a baseline, see. < 1238452837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238452904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they for? baseline product I heard of but I never heard of it in what I guess (since it is you) is typography < 1238452921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The baseline is the line height, essentially. < 1238452928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: vertical size of font + line spacing. < 1238452933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238452947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I let LaTeX worry about that :D < 1238452965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LaTeX doesn’t really have enough line height by default IME < 1238452973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I'm a readability stickler to the max < 1238452973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so change it < 1238452984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'd suggest 2-3 lines per page < 1238452985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that’s not letting latex worry about it < 1238453010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 1.75em line height works best IME < 1238453019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so quite close to double spacing < 1238453078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like two columns per page layouts < 1238453092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: those are awful on screen, your eyes blit about so much < 1238453095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a book it works < 1238453108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm works well for me in either case. < 1238453130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1238453133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eyes blitting? < 1238453135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1238453152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to translate blitting as in GPUs to eyes < 1238453154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving quickly. You can gleek the meaning from context if you’re a native speaker. < 1238453162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gleen? < 1238453166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glean* even < 1238453169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gleek. < 1238453177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm no native speaker you know.. < 1238453200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my faul < 1238453201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1238453228 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably my english is even worse than AnMaster's ;] < 1238453263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes, well, I’ve tried to instill got vs has and suchlike in him so you can’t blame me < 1238453265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it is. See *my* butt's newly decreed "IRC Accessibility and Internationalisation Guidelines" < 1238453269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238453271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the english lobe of his brain is immutable < 1238453277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: _|_ < 1238453279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is < 1238453287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1238453289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) the symbol for “bottom” in computer sicence (really) < 1238453297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha < 1238453303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not joking < 1238453304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) An ASCII art picture of a butt, if you put parens around it < 1238453309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) A middle finger sticking up < 1238453309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I heard it before < 1238453315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short, 3 facets of relevance. < 1238453315 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This gubblick contains many nonsklarkish English flutzpahs, but the overall pluggandisp can be glorked [sic] from context" < 1238453318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as funny every time < 1238453321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Exactly. < 1238453365 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1238453365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is saying the line can be read even though it is confusing < 1238453367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1238453372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 100% sure < 1238453419 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Given the recent jew-knee proliferation, that really should've been ⊥. < 1238453493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why wikipedia in general looks so bad in konq, most other sites work well-ish in it < 1238453507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have a patent on the “jew” nomenclature for referring to Unicode thankyouverymuch. < 1238453507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238453507 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238453507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238453510 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238453514 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how a CURLY LOGICAL AND (⋏) differs from your garden-variety logical and. You know, besides the fact that it's curly. < 1238453553 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes a nicer pattern: ⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏⋏ < 1238453555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I would have assumed that curlyness was a function of font < 1238453572 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burp < 1238453625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have a patent on the “jew” nomenclature for referring to Unicode thankyouverymuch. < 1238453629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also fuck my irc client < 1238453638 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen ≺ (U+227A PRECEDES) used, and that's pretty much a curly less-than. I've forgotten the context; it was some sort of ranking that wasn't really an ordering. < 1238453647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1238453733 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused as to the need for both ≸ and ≹. < 1238453735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN YOU HEAR ME AM HAVE INTERNET PROBLEM < 1238453744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ and > variants? < 1238453755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes, I saw that patent thing twice. < 1238453762 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>X:S < 1238453775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ∧, not ^. < 1238453785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not curly! < 1238453796 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, I don't think there's a curly caret. < 1238453809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or ∧ but curly? < 1238453809 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But there's ≻ of course. < 1238453850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also an extra-curly <, the ⊰. < 1238453893 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238453896 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1238453902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the name for it? < 1238453911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and extra curly ≻ ? < 1238453933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "precedes under relation". And similarly ⊱ for s/precedes/succeeds/. < 1238453945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about downwards curly arrow? < 1238453962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION network trouble < 1238453962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1238453975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, we haven't noticed anything... < 1238453980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be the bouncer. < 1238453989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ƨɛƽ < 1238453991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What an odd key. < 1238453997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt-shift-; produces № < 1238454002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which then, given a number, does that < 1238454005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LaTeX has \prec and \succ for the normally curly versions, but I'm not seeing the extra-crispy, I mean, curly ones, not even in the AMS set of binary operations. < 1238454005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except when it doesn’t. < 1238454010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :№2 = ƨ < 1238454016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :№4 = №4 < 1238454022 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ekhm < 1238454026 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that for? < 1238454104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, AlgGr-shift-; == ˛ here < 1238454107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead key < 1238454112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ę yes < 1238454114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t know! < 1238454134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: This is a “dead key”, sort of. < 1238454141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :̇˙ ė < 1238454142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1238454149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, AlgGr-shift-- < 1238454150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ˛ is not dead, but that's probably because of the nodeadkeys option. < 1238454184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AltGr-n == n? < 1238454186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1238454189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like how Option-e gives ´, but with an orange background, and pressing “e” after gets you é. But you can just left-arrow away from it. < 1238454189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it deactivates. < 1238454196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AltGr-b ” < 1238454201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :’ < 1238454204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“‘ < 1238454206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1238454215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all easy on this keyboard < 1238454223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it so for you too? < 1238454223 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1238454245 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238454288 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238454373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/adcolkey.html APL keyboard < 1238454379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Now back from my pilgrimage of disconnection, < 1238454385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Option-[ “ < 1238454388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Option-shift-[ ” < 1238454536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://pastie.org/431713.txt < 1238454538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn disconnection. < 1238454622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1238454633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, all your bouncers fault btw < 1238454636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now night < 1238454714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s my connection since adium is fucking up and my bouncer doesn’t punish me for freenode’s faults < 1238454948 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"zzzz" < 1238454993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck this < 1238455196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/vrms < 1238455289 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1238455298 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238455313 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny to get a monthly vrms report bitching about the fact that I have autoconf-doc and gdb-doc installed. < 1238455333 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vrms? < 1238455338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/vrms < 1238455343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why did you install it < 1238455351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I linked to it because it was ridiculously silly < 1238455352 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "For the lulz." < 1238455367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well I hereby revoke your lulz relating to vrms < 1238455383 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I disabled the cron job, though, so it won't email me every month, but I can still run it when I feel like it. < 1238455390 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a pile of non-free stuff. < 1238455406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you lucky enough to have a gfx card with decent free drivers? < 1238455407 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly it's -doc packages, though. < 1238455417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1238455417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You’re part of a community of 4, I guess. < 1238455427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: barn < 1238455441 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the virtual richard m stallman < 1238455444 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; I have nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-dev and four nvidia-kernel-* packages in the vrms list. < 1238455447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i am just amazed that vrms was about exactly what i guessed it was :D < 1238455462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238455487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder if you can buy a 100% free computer? LinuxBIOS and all? < 1238455516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have even more -doc packages: autobook (well, technically that's not -doc), autoconf-doc, automake1.9-doc, gcc-4.1-doc, gcc-4.3-doc, gcc-doc-base, gdb-doc, ocaml-doc. < 1238455527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'unno, sounds unlikely. < 1238455542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Bloody GFDL < 1238455614 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why would vrms complain about -docs? < 1238455626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: gfdl’s “invariant sections” < 1238455646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They’re bits you can’t change; invented for emacs so that nobody could remove RMS’s masturbatory philosophical sludge. < 1238455656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka the free software manifesto) < 1238455668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is, of course, non-free. < 1238455675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, VRMS is perhaps not completely aligned with RRMS. < 1238455680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1238455683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1238455702 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238455870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck my watch is playing an early AF prank on me < 1238455892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i've set the date one day late < 1238455914 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine says 31st march < 1238455920 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always 1 day ahead :( < 1238455938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? yours is correct < 1238455947 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your timezone < 1238455954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238455963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g* < 1238455978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 28 minutes it’ll be correct! < 1238456002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn this could be a problem to fix, i may have to turn it 30 days < 1238456030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the other direction changes weekday instead of turning it backwards < 1238456090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe 24 hours backwards is easier < 1238456176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if this somehow happened when i changed to DST. it cannot have been this way for the whole month because i didn't miss my dentist's appointment... < 1238456506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nooga: This is the first time I.ve ever heard .circumsized. applied to a typeface. This is a historic moment. < 1238456514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Unicode failure < 1238456528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may be thinking of circumcised < 1238456535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er right < 1238456559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the heck would people do funny quotes in irc anyway? < 1238456596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Funny” quotes? Dear sir, read a goddamn book and tell me what quotes you see. < 1238456603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we come to the answer: pedants. < 1238456649 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, like mac users < 1238456660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nooga: This is the first time I.ve ever heard .circumsized. applied to a typeface. This is a historic moment. < 1238456662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^IExactly.^I < 1238456663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1238456673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Fix yer damn terminal, peasant. < 1238456681 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer ❝proper quotes❞. < 1238456701 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :«I prefer quotes like this, mainly to be contrary.» < 1238456716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: Dude, your quotes got enlarged with silicone. < 1238456720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’s fucked up. < 1238456810 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, »+« is a Perl 6 operator: (1,1,2,3,5) »+« (1,2,3,5,8); # (2,3,5,8,13) < 1238456814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1238456816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :« » are fine < 1238456825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: isn't it »anything« < 1238456837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not exactly anything, but most things, certainly. < 1238456837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning “emulation of vector operation”, I guess. < 1238456842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: any operator < 1238456858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the syntax is »op« < 1238456868 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can use the hyper operator with ?? ::, for example. < 1238456875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure. < 1238456877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary ops then. < 1238456912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw, is anyone appreciating my .... quotes? < 1238456914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:48 ehird: @type \f a b -> map (uncurry f) $ zip a b < 1238456914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:48 lambdabot: forall a b c. (a -> b -> c) -> [a] -> [b] -> [c] < 1238456915 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO! :D < 1238456921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Fix yer terminal! < 1238456928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/client < 1238456929 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is all so complicated. $tree.».?foo; # short for $tree.?foo, $tree.each: { .».?foo } < 1238456952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Perl 6 is pretty lame < 1238456962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think something went wrong the time i tried < 1238457019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: zipWith < 1238457026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: orite < 1238457033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just reimplmenting that perl6 thang < 1238457158 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1238457165 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238457176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, luckily irssi seems to simplify quotes on incoming, it's just a problem when i paste from the logs < 1238457219 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be detecting utf-8 and recoding it < 1238457227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1238457270 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if «this» is fine, then I prefer to quote with ‷(reversed and not) triple prime‴. < 1238457348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm irssi got only half of that < 1238457371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no reversed quadruple prime, only the right way around. :/ < 1238457373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: “And”? There’s a unicode symbol for that. < 1238457422 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Echoback (using Irssi here): < fizzie> Well, if «this» is fine, then I prefer to quote with ‷(reversed and not) triple prime‴. < 1238457425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least two i would assume < 1238457448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: that’s right < 1238457475 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get blocks < 1238457491 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :„Is this OK?” < 1238457494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: ++ < 1238457521 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode: ☑ yes ☐ no < 1238457523 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get better unicode font from somewhere... The one that I'm using doesn't even have less-or-equal/greater-or-equal. It also seemingly doesn't have any astral characters. < 1238457559 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁶⁶Aha!⁹⁹