< 1240099202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have to change its config. < 1240099204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's os x < 1240099205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1240099208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1240099208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vm < 1240099218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem seems to be that nothing's listening at your end on 5688 < 1240099227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a test, you might want to set up a quick netcat listener < 1240099232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course it is < 1240099236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I connected via nibbles < 1240099236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1240099237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(UNKNOWN) [91.105.116.151] 5688 (ggz) : Connection refused < 1240099240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1240099240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an error from ggz < 1240099242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not netcat < 1240099247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and good point < 1240099247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, how does it know it's ggz? < 1240099252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's in a DB somewhere < 1240099252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no, maybe not < 1240099254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in a DB < 1240099259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a massive DB of what port's what in Ubuntu < 1240099281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try it on another thing < 1240099282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1240099284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it on google.com < 1240099299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see if you get the same error < 1240099312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ nc localhost 6667 < 1240099313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :localhost [127.0.0.1] 6667 (ircd) : Connection refused < 1240099316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1240099321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme try from os x < 1240099329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % nc localhost 5688 < 1240099329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % < 1240099331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How impolite! < 1240099341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % telnet localhost 5688 < 1240099341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying ::1... < 1240099342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet: connect to address ::1: Connection refused < 1240099344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying fe80::1... < 1240099346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet: connect to address fe80::1: Connection refused < 1240099348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying 127.0.0.1... < 1240099350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection refused < 1240099352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet: Unable to connect to remote host < 1240099355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My prediction? < 1240099359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either Ubuntu's firewalling it, < 1240099361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the VM is. < 1240099368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how can I tell iptables to let that through? < 1240099373 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try < 1240099377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo ufw allow 5688 < 1240099388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an iptables command-line frontend, it's great < 1240099389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try now ais523 < 1240099401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same issue < 1240099404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes around vm
< 1240099405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still connection refused < 1240099412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you run the ufw command? < 1240099420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sudo ufw status" will tell you the firewall config < 1240099425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240099444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I has idea < 1240099447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION changes config, restarts VM.
< 1240099449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully, this will just work. < 1240099454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, let's use the official server. < 1240099465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version is the VM running, by the way? < 1240099473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The beta thing. < 1240099481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: incidentally, I wrote the AI for the latest version of Nibbles, which is in Jaunty and also Intrepid, I think < 1240099490 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1240099497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I hate that AI. < 1240099500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way/ < 1240099501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too good. < 1240099501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1240099516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's much the same as before, except that it doesn't randomly suicide like the old one used to < 1240099530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, try again. < 1240099577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No success? < 1240099587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no success. < 1240099592 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :75.159.19.254 < 1240099610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1240099615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! < 1240099615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1240099617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks coppro < 1240099619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ nc 91.106.116.151 5688 < 1240099621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is just hanging < 1240099624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can start the actual game < 1240099631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which IP do I aim for? < 1240099635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro's < 1240099738 0 :iano!n=iosgood@076-076-146-052.pdx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240099791 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the largest program ever written in an esoteric language? < 1240099795 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the conf? < 1240099799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iano: there are many autogenerated ones < 1240099802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: go to ggz < 1240099804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me and ais are there < 1240099807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ehird and I went over to the official server < 1240099811 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1240099811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is barren. < 1240099812 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean by hand < 1240099813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody else is on < 1240099814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from us < 1240099896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1240099897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I left < 1240099898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we restart < 1240099902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to change the networking stack thing < 1240099923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaah! < 1240099926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it freezes on connect! < 1240099930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: coppro: :| < 1240099947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1240099954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error connecing to server: No such file or directory < 1240099956 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nearly unplayable < 1240099956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1240099963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yeah < 1240099964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just killed the game < 1240099964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too slow < 1240099966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second < 1240099975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it's running rather slowly... < 1240099977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what's your IP? < 1240099983 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one I posted above < 1240099983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1240099984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guyz < 1240099987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I run it on rutian? < 1240099988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fast < 1240099991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, good point < 1240099996 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rutian? < 1240099998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :server Ubuntu == desktop Ubuntu < 1240100001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ehird's server < 1240100003 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240100012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: my server, dead atm but ais523 had root on it a while ago < 1240100042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :installing < 1240100064 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1240100102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, almost got it working < 1240100121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1240100127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc/ggzd/games contains no nibblse < 1240100131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have to install nibbles-server or sth < 1240100144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome-games-servers < 1240100146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240100151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should be nice and fast < 1240100155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT THAT"S A LOT OF PACKAGES < 1240100155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1240100160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gonna install X11 < 1240100165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, go for it < 1240100228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here goes. < 1240100232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just one lil' bit of config should do it. < 1240100247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's the Xorg.conf on rutian like? < 1240100254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what you put there for a server < 1240100254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1240100264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well < 1240100266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh can forward it < 1240100269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240100271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, only non-device-related stuff < 1240100316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's rutian's IP, again? < 1240100328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1240100351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :208.78.103.223 < 1240100352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works < 1240100362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will probably be slower than the ggz thing < 1240100363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1240100369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll avoid heavy ircing ;) < 1240100412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi, coppro :-) < 1240100452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :This is rutian, who cares? | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1240100475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro matic < 1240100488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall we try 2-player until coppro notices, to test the connection? < 1240100491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :earth to coppro! < 1240100492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure < 1240100501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vm lag + network lag + rutian lag < 1240100504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious. < 1240100555 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240100592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doo doo < 1240100606 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240100635 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1240100645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb coppro < 1240100647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1240100648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Any additional game arguments specific to this room < 1240100649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ExecutableArgs= < 1240100655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the arg to pass to gnibbles? :P < 1240100666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know it took settings on the command line < 1240100690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPTIONS < 1240100690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1240100690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1240100691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This program only accepts the standard GNOME and GTK options. < 1240100695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I figured it out < 1240100699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1240100701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the trick? < 1240100716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[TableOptions] < 1240100717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AllowLeave = 1 < 1240100718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#BotsAllowed = 0 < 1240100720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PlayersAllowed = 2..6 < 1240100722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AllowSpectators = 0 < 1240100724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems relevant, I guess. < 1240100726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not. < 1240100728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[LaunchInfo] < 1240100730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ExecutablePath = /usr/lib/ggz/gnibblesd < 1240100732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Set ExecutableArgs in the room file < 1240100734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1240100737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no AllowChangePreferences, or whatever < 1240100780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads the docs
< 1240100796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GGZ Community database access is not possible." < 1240100797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kill me now. < 1240100806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :owait < 1240100806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ggzgamingzone.org/ < 1240100849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admin docs < 1240100849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Server administrators can find instructions and recommendations here. < 1240100850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Server Hosting Guide: HTML, PostScript, text < 1240100852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grubby Chatbot Admin Manual: HTML < 1240100853 0 :schlangen1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1240100854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Package Dependency Graph: PostScript, PNG < 1240100856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Database design: HTML < 1240100858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :server hosting guide! < 1240100888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ggzgamingzone.org/gameservers/gnibbles/ < 1240100900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1240100902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aha < 1240100910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1240100914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these docs suck < 1240100922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just play at regular speed? < 1240100944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to < 1240100952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, GGZ's doc referred me to Gnome's < 1240100957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which referred me to a redlinked page on a wiki < 1240100962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1240100963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto < 1240100967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rejoin? < 1240100973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on which server? rutian? < 1240100988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240101082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wanted to set a description < 1240101166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: png < 1240101167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping < 1240101171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1240101179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :join < 1240101184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tabl < 1240101185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1240101298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: new table < 1240101359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no good, I didn't even figure out which worm I was before the game ended < 1240101392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? it didn't end < 1240101393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you left < 1240101397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ended for me < 1240101397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was still playing.... < 1240101400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try again < 1240101404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously must have desynced due to lag < 1240101415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, worth another try < 1240101475 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww... No nibbles here... < 1240101496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no good, there are cherries inside walls, about three target doughnuts, and I keep crashing into nonexistent objects < 1240101513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240101515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523? < 1240101519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no walls. < 1240101521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the outer ones. < 1240101524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are at my end < 1240101528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes a screenshot
< 1240101529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Methinks we need to be on the same level settings! < 1240101543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it stands to reason: if we both pick the same speed, magic! < 1240101567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Speed: finger-twitching good. Don't enable fake bonuses, don't play levels in random order. < 1240101574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting 1. < 1240101577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/Ak.png < 1240101578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kay? < 1240101584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the setting it was playing on /aren't my settings/ < 1240101591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How queer. < 1240101596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you set it to that, maybe it'll work. < 1240101599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just one more try like that? < 1240101624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1240101631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, you host < 1240101634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'll be the one with the glitches :P < 1240101658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, it just quit < 1240101660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try again < 1240101737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1240101740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have level 1 < 1240101743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I keep bashing into fake things < 1240101747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jumping around < 1240101778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh < 1240101781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm bashing into you < 1240101782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before I see it < 1240101793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1240101794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which am I? < 1240101801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're purple, and I just won < 1240101807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purple? < 1240101811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's only red and green. < 1240101813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Game over! The game has been won by ais524!Game over! The game has been won by ais524!Game over! The game has been won by ais524!Game over! The game has been won by ais524! < 1240101814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, green < 1240101818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got no such message. < 1240101819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240101821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I customized the colours for player 2 < 1240101824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is trippy. < 1240101827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they keep confusing me with the walls < 1240101832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240101841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, um why does this suck so much < 1240101846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, settings | preferences work now < 1240101850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1240101851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my guess is because nobody ever tested it < 1240101855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: set it to full speed and level 1 < 1240101859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no fake things < 1240101870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's set like that already < 1240101884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's frozen. < 1240101887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, for me too < 1240101888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEt's try the official serve.r < 1240101895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION quits
< 1240101910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to official < 1240101972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are there walls for you? < 1240101974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have the border < 1240101975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep crashing < 1240101985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get standard level 1 < 1240101999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240102000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just lag < 1240102003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 4 doughnuts < 1240102006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: question < 1240102012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you really short? < 1240102013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am < 1240102022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not atm < 1240102025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa < 1240102029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's flooding me with I-won messages < 1240102033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and glitches on the screen < 1240102036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just won, according to my Nibbles < 1240102044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about we just VNC? < 1240102047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I am so going to have to fix Nibbles some day < 1240102047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be more reliable... < 1240102053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how would that work? < 1240102061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you log in to my session and use player 2 keys < 1240102066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aha < 1240102069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which program do I use? < 1240102075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I need to find a server first! < 1240102096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: remote dekstop viewer < 1240102098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet → < 1240102101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in there < 1240102113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I was wondering about that one < 1240102118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for server
< 1240102152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system | preferences | remote desktop < 1240102174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice. < 1240102197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1240102200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what port is VNC? < 1240102208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5900 < 1240102221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"configure network automatically to accept connections" is probably Gnomese for opening the port < 1240102236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forwards
< 1240102246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't trust those things < 1240102251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forwards manually
< 1240102256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, apparently not < 1240102292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try 91.105.116.151 < 1240102325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just get a big black screen < 1240102339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no sign of being able to do anything with it < 1240102342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1240102363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ nc 91.105.116.151 5900 < 1240102365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(UNKNOWN) [91.105.116.151] 5900 (?) : Connection refused < 1240102415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1240102420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what gconf thing it is < 1240102488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try now < 1240102501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha, I just connected to myself, it's pretty < 1240102506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240102509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but srs try now < 1240102517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, trying < 1240102530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a black screen, nc doesn't work < 1240102579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1240102580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240102641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vnc TCP 5900 5900 192.168.1.159 < 1240102643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right, no? < 1240102670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here, can you configure your NAT? < 1240102678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should connect to you < 1240102687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I have no control over the router here < 1240102691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dam < 1240102699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ssh tunnel? < 1240102701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that work? < 1240102730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it could do < 1240102745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need an account on a server somewhere < 1240102758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, ais523, < 1240102773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% telnet 127.0.0.1 5900 < 1240102773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying 127.0.0.1... < 1240102775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection refused < 1240102777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet: Unable to connect to remote host < 1240102779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the fuckin' VM! < 1240102786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: firewall incantation plz < 1240102791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo ufw allow 5900 < 1240102797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figured it out before you said it < 1240102798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try now ais523 < 1240102798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can be more detailed than that if you like < 1240102814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not refused, now hanging < 1240102820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's waiting for you to confirm? < 1240102821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better. < 1240102827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nope. I'll enable that and try < 1240102844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: disconnect/reconnect < 1240102856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting connection refused again < 1240102879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1240102889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the syslog for firewall messages/ < 1240102914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nothin' < 1240102944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is weird < 1240102983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any ideas? < 1240103029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: locally connecting works < 1240103030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: put up netcat listeners on 5900 on both your main computer and VM < 1240103035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me netcat to them and see what happens < 1240103038 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sniff the connection and see if the SYN gets through? If it does, its local firewall problem. < 1240103072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% telnet localhost 5900 < 1240103072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying ::1... < 1240103074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet: connect to address ::1: Connection refused < 1240103076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying fe80::1... < 1240103076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like, and give me permission, I'll portscan you to see what happens < 1240103078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet: connect to address fe80::1: Connection refused < 1240103080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying 127.0.0.1... < 1240103082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection refused < 1240103084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet: Unable to connect to remote host < 1240103086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it's the fuckin' VM. < 1240103088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fixes
< 1240103092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone can portscan me, it's a free internet :P < 1240103101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reboots VM
< 1240103103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but I don't like portscanning people uninvited < 1240103110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and raise eyebrows when someone portscans me < 1240103122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly the University, I get portscanned whenever I connect to wireless or access my email < 1240103154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm the kind of person who runs a wireless network with zero security enabled on purpose :-) < 1240103179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try connecting now. < 1240103185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :refused < 1240103188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought so. < 1240103194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what did we do when I did nibbles? < 1240103196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks log
< 1240103203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't work, IIRC < 1240103220 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240103230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1240103234 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1240103236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiiiiiiiit < 1240103242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe os x is firewallin' it < 1240103254 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1240103315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try now. < 1240103342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did it on OS X < 1240103354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fullscreens Ubuntu
< 1240103359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc works, providing the right response < 1240103361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after you connect < 1240103365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try with vnc < 1240103365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to connect now < 1240103376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a confirm prompt up? < 1240103382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's OS X not Ubuntu < 1240103395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, should I install vnc then? < 1240103400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you have a password option? < 1240103406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user/pass that is < 1240103416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you may have to input my pass < 1240103420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I can change temporarily to let you in < 1240103429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no password option on the main connect < 1240103436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort-of got the impression that the Ubuntu method asks later < 1240103444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll install vnc if you like < 1240103446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anything in the edit connection things? < 1240103467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there isn't an edit connection thing < 1240103477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install a full vnc client, I guess < 1240103483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a connect button which asks for the IP, and what sort of connection (connect full-screen, do you want to control the remote desktop) < 1240103494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240103496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :select no to control < 1240103498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try again < 1240103513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I couldn't play, just watch < 1240103515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but OK < 1240103518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but it's a start < 1240103530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just get a black screen < 1240103539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install a full vnc client < 1240103540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/shrug < 1240103625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs a vnc client
< 1240103649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's asking for a username/password < 1240103660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, just password < 1240103663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1240103671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION changes password
< 1240103677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg me a password < 1240103692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if me's online, he'll be wondering why I just said "a password" to him...) < 1240103704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240103726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any success? < 1240103733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying atm < 1240103737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1240103745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if it doesn't work & you can edit the connection details, set username = ehird < 1240103765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I clicked "connect" and nothign obviously happened < 1240103778 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... this is starting to annoy me < 1240103787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, us? < 1240103790 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO .1120 <- "&'"¥'":1120 ~ '#0 ¢ #65535'" ¢ #0' ~ '#0 ¢ #65535'" ¢ ":1120 ~ '#65535 ¢ 0'"'" ~ "#0 ¢ #65535" is apparently a parse error :/ < 1240103793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1240103801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any luck setting the username? < 1240103805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240103814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION changes password back
< 1240103816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entire program's disappeared into a notification area icon < 1240103828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is very odd < 1240103839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and not what I expected at all < 1240103845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting it would, you know, show me your desktop < 1240103855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deiconize it? < 1240103861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the session was "opened" < 1240103868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deiconizing it just gave me the main connections list < 1240103876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right click the icon? < 1240103882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gave me a list of connections < 1240103884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boy, I want to hit someone with a usability stick... < 1240103887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: choose mine? < 1240103891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing happened < 1240103899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... >_< try another client < 1240103901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1240103913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a good option < 1240103934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is ridiculous. < 1240103944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: let's play gnibbles over irc < 1240103948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds another VNC client
< 1240103952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if only that worked! < 1240103972 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you see if that works on C-INTERCAL? < 1240103974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: left nop nop nop up nop nop nop nop nop nop right < 1240103993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: OK, I'll test it < 1240104018 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1240104087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any luck? < 1240104092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: syntax error < 1240104094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts password back to anbutt
< 1240104098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240104099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: trying now, I was just dealing with coppro's problem < 1240104101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, you know, not < 1240104110 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Okay, it's not just CLC-... now to figure out why < 1240104117 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've rebuilt that statement twice :/ < 1240104158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I get an error, "You have been disconnected" < 1240104173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: username=ehird? < 1240104180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, trying that < 1240104182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you select Control? Don't :-P < 1240104187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same error < 1240104192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there wasn't a Control setting on this one < 1240104195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the new password I gave? < 1240104198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240104228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION connects locally
< 1240104236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a vm < 1240104238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo dawg! < 1240104245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: there's a literal 0 in there < 1240104249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you meant #0, almost certainly < 1240104255 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! < 1240104271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what client you using ais523 < 1240104272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oops, I typoed the port < 1240104276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1240104291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's just doing a loading animation < 1240104298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's promising < 1240104315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect it to have loaded by now, though... < 1240104319 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yay, the statement evaluates < 1240104324 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong result though :( < 1240104324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what client? < 1240104332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtkvncviewer, the third I've tried < 1240104353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iwill try it myself < 1240104364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Expression is (((((? (((:1120 & 0x55555555) << 0x1) ~ 0x55555555)) $ 0x0) & (:1120 & 0xaaaaaaaa)) >> 0x1) ~ 0x55555555)" < 1240104383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that looks very wrong to me < 1240104400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that left-hand select appears to be selecting all 0s < 1240104422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still doing loading animation... < 1240104465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it just said "You have been disconnected" < 1240104467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just now < 1240104468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto < 1240104474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme try an os x client < 1240104581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: actually, that might be a bug in C-INTERCAL; it should have noticed that that whole part of the expression cancels out < 1240104593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly realises that it probably did notice, but didn't do anything about it
< 1240104681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1240105109 0 :jix_!n=jix@g224153078.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240105267 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What do those symbols translate to? < 1240105283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? = V\b- $ = c\b/ < 1240105285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others are the same < 1240105300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's a mix of INTERCAL and C < 1240105307 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I see that < 1240105339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you're doing anything that wouldn't work in C-INTERCAL's CLC-INTERCAL compatibility mode < 1240105352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I didn't even have to set compat mode for that, I just encoded it as Latin-1 and C-INTERCAL did the right thing < 1240105357 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::1120 is an interleaving of two one spots (call em .1 and .2); I'm trying to get (C code) .1 & ~.2 < 1240105391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting < 1240105402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the standard way would be to just translate the & and the ~ separately < 1240105405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you trying to do? < 1240105439 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :select .2 out of :1120, interleave with 0, perform unary XOR to negate it, select the result out, interleave with .1 (which needs to be selected out) and unary AND it < 1240105454 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then select the result < 1240105457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unary XOR after interleaving with 0 doesn't negate something < 1240105462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably want to interleave with 65535 instead < 1240105469 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1240105475 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes indeed < 1240105542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that people who primarily use CLC-INTERCAL tend to say "interleave", whereas C-INTERCAL users are more fond of "mingle"
< 1240105568 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy, that doesn't work < 1240105578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run it through the expression-explainer? < 1240105588 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what the problem is, thankfully < 1240105608 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I know what it should be < 1240105620 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm interleaving something with > 16 bits < 1240105625 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or mingling) < 1240105641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are correct, it's just interesting to see which people use < 1240105646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, both words < 1240105661 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use the expression-explainer if I was any good at interpreting it < 1240105670 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't have C-INTERCAL < 1240105681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, really? < 1240105692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that surprises me, it's rare to see someone with CLC but not C < 1240105721 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't found the Ubuntu packaging for C, and I'm lazy < 1240105727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo apt-get install intercal < 1240105738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a couple of versions old, IIRC < 1240105753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version: 28:0.28-4 < 1240105755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, not too bad < 1240105759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the latest stable version < 1240105771 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's just intercal < 1240105776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1240105777 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kept looking for c-intercal < 1240105800 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, now I find out I had it all along :/ < 1240105812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is to type the filename, and let command-not-found sort it out < 1240105853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ick < 1240105855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program 'ick' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: < 1240105856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo apt-get install intercal < 1240105858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ick: command not found < 1240105861 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1240105891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would be so amused if someday there's a Debian alternatives entry for intercal
< 1240105892 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is this an error? '":1120 ~ '#0 ¢ #65535'" ¢ #65535' < 1240105926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a visual inspection shows nothign wrong < 1240105954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing wrong comes up under syntax highlighting < 1240105963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the whole expression? is the statement it's in fine? < 1240105989 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I pulled that out of the other expression < 1240106005 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the interleaves is producing >32 bits, but I don't think that's possible < 1240106027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, you're only selecting 16 bits in the select < 1240106038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't see how the output could be too large < 1240106044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1240106051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, don't < 1240106056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are right < 1240106068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of the mingle bit-width hack that C-INTERCAL uses, but the expression looks right both ways < 1240106068 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm waitaminute < 1240106135 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240106305 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I run that expression analyzer? < 1240106325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either ick -Og and look at the output C code, or ick -Oy to run it interactively < 1240106567 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1240106781 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are the debugger docs? < 1240106906 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1240106909 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, how do I get it to explain? < 1240106921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the docs are behind the ? key < 1240106923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but e and a line number < 1240106926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will give you an explanation < 1240107018 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1240107071 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240107122 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1240107127 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1240107171 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right now I remember! < 1240107255 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1240107286 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :( < 1240107294 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confused coppro is confused < 1240107308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem? with the debugger, or your code? < 1240107319 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried the expression on C-INTERCAL < 1240107330 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it too is giving me an overflow error < 1240107339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you paste the expression, again? < 1240107369 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm just extremely retarded < 1240107387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you assigned the result to a 16-bit variable by mistake? < 1240107388 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was an interleave error; I was assigning a 32-bit value to a one psot < 1240107466 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1240107488 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is almost as bad as GCC's C++ error messages < 1240107529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, INTERCAL error messages tend not to be particularly helpful < 1240107555 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does C-INTERCAL accept the yen? < 1240107564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, if it's encoded in Latin-1 < 1240107569 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1240107574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it assumes CLC-INTERCAL source if it sees it in Latin-1 < 1240107577 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC is accepting my code now, but C isn't < 1240107587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you encode it in UTF-8, it interprets it as mingle because it's a currency symbol < 1240108303 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lost the Game
< 1240108313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you don't need to tell all us about it! < 1240108317 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I:( < 1240108331 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the rules, I have to :) < 1240108338 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on IRC1 < 1240108340 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is my current surrounding < 1240108355 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::8 < 1240108357 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(* < 1240108397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION never loses the game because he forcefully keeps his brain too dense to understand it
< 1240108429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NANANANANA < 1240108455 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, shiny! < 1240108487 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1240108527 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is surprised he made an easy-to-correct error in INTERCAL
< 1240108553 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1240108760 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! Addition's working! < 1240108842 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, neat! < 1240108848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is? < 1240108849 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jaunty finally got the wireless light on my computer working! < 1240108857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, interesting < 1240109236 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240109270 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1240109829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1240110114 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.166.208.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240110305 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240112225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick #esoteric poll: if you don't want to use / to delimit a regex for some reason (e.g. if it contains lots of slashes), what character do you most often use instead? < 1240112281 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIVISION BY ZERO < 1240112352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore need to sleep < 1240112354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c/browse_thread/thread/54c90bb925b9d331# < 1240112355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1240112367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a Yahoo Answers question, only programming-related and on Usenet < 1240112407 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1240112411 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: # < 1240112417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally use = < 1240112458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously /hope/ that c.l.c post was a troll, but fear it wasn't < 1240112486 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a good SO question < 1240112498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is stackoverflow that bad yet? < 1240112526 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the regex one < 1240112531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240112552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stackoverflow's weird, if you ask a popular question they interpret it as gaming the system and you get no reputation < 1240112606 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my most voted question is "Are there any good reasons why I should not use Python?" (originally "Why does Python suck?") < 1240112622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted up or down? < 1240112627 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up < 1240112632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are, of course, situations in which using Python is unwise < 1240112634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 0x00 < 1240112638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the same goes for any language < 1240112643 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, when is Python unwise? < 1240112645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: seriously? What programming langauge do you use? < 1240112650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: real-time device drivers, for one < 1240112655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not seriously. < 1240112677 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's 0x00? < 1240112687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably referring to the NUL byte < 1240112700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is used for end-of-string in C, and so it's inexpressible to many programs < 1240112718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a perfectly cromulent character in Tcl, though. < 1240112719 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assassinates C
< 1240112728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only character, apart from /, which isn't allowed in filenames on UNIX < 1240112733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yep, it's legal in Befunge too < 1240112765 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric languages tend to have less of an issue with NUL < 1240112772 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they have no string handling to speak of < 1240112777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, esoteric language interps are written in real-world langs < 1240112782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so often inherit NUL problems < 1240112787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology tests for NUL handling for that reason < 1240112788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, Tcl doesn't really use characters to delimit regex's; a regexp is just a string which happens to be passed as an argument to the [regex] function. < 1240112789 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is string handling < 1240112794 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology? < 1240112803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Befunge-98 conformance testsuite < 1240112804 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX makes extensive use of NULs < 1240112814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half the conversations in this channel are about it, I'm surprised you missed them < 1240112816 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits to be assassinated
< 1240112827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the only large commercial-feeling esolang applicationos < 1240112829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*applications < 1240112844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tbh, the only reason it's written in Befunge-98 is because it's an obvious language to write a Befunge-98 testsuite in < 1240113440 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reinstalling flash" < 1240113534 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1240114516 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ChatZilla, that explains why reinstalling flash required that you /quit :P < 1240114703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it doesn't. Firefox uses new plugins without restarting. < 1240115301 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it does? < 1240115331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1240115858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my Firefox wants me to restart whenever I upgrade a plugin < 1240115860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it lying to me? < 1240115886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, that'd be an add-on, not a plugin. < 1240115904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, I hate your distro's packaging of Firefox. < 1240115986 0 :neldoret1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1240117654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I meant add-on < 1240118172 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240118956 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240119777 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240119851 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240121415 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240121508 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240121845 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"X-Chat -> http://xchat.org <- At least when I quit I don't look like a lamer" < 1240124165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1240125282 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240125810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240126678 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240127275 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240127999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1240128000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1240131125 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240131289 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1240132623 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. looks like the lolcode project is slowing down a bit.. http://forum.lolcode.com/index.php < 1240132625 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology is commercial-feeling? News to me :-P < 1240132720 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then... that was only within a second of each other after hours of channel inactivity... < 1240132790 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happens < 1240132818 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is bored on Freenet
< 1240132819 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideas? < 1240132843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mycology is commercial-feeling? News to me :-P <-- huh? who claimed that? < 1240132844 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unleash your sinister botnet < 1240132863 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's only around 20 lines up the lastlog < 1240132880 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot who it was so you can look it up yourself < 1240132905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lastlog... as in /lastlog mycology ? < 1240132922 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in plain /lastlog < 1240132928 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably the next-to-last line in /lastlog mycology :-P < 1240132942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain lastlog gives syntax error in this client < 1240132950 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1240132950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean scrollback? < 1240132955 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same thing < 1240132962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mycology tests for NUL handling for that reason < 1240132963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mycology? < 1240132963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mycology is commercial-feeling? News to me :-P < 1240132968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is lastlog of mycology < 1240132970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of it < 1240132982 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now look at the context < 1240132995 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And you reminded me that it was ais) < 1240133125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1240133134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but tbh, the only reason it's written in Befunge-98 is because it's an obvious language to write a Befunge-98 testsuite in < 1240133135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240133837 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1138219&cid=26966727 absolutely crushed my fantasy about Freenet < 1240133884 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darknet is stupid < 1240133896 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using freenet is not illegal < 1240133915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here have any experience with jack-audio-connection-kit? < 1240133936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, not here, but I suspect it might be in for example China < 1240134062 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the developers focused on completely the wrong problem < 1240134120 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the right problem? < 1240134175 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed < 1240134202 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of both the network and the client < 1240134426 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bbs systems need work < 1240134465 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep reading that Frost is dead < 1240134542 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dosed apparentely < 1240134598 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a release on 3/13 < 1240134601 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jtcfrost.sourceforge.net/ < 1240134604 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would they do this? < 1240134655 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to see an anonymous bbs < 1240134667 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :low bandwidth, high latency ought to be easy to do < 1240134701 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does FMS count? < 1240134703 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the point where you can start making guarantees < 1240134714 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not on top of freenet i mean < 1240134810 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1240134817 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1240134856 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenet can't make any anonymity guarantees < 1240134862 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all about plausible deniability < 1240134916 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would true anonymity be done? < 1240134946 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf the dining cryptographers problem < 1240134952 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bed < 1240135366 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. One could get true anonymity (at hideous computational expense) by using protocol to solve dining cryptographers problem... < 1240135562 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to do that without requiring each participant to participate every round? < 1240135622 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, only participants can send and receive... < 1240135651 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe others could also receive, but definitely not send. < 1240135787 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I tell what Firefox profile is running? < 1240135803 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced that this "Browse Freenet!" icon is doing anything < 1240135822 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: See which profile has lock file? < 1240135844 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Or maybe peek at what files firefox has open? < 1240135895 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at bookmarks
< 1240135911 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. think this thing found where my missing bookmarks from a long time ago went... < 1240135935 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only way I can account for there being so few bookmarks < 1240136016 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Unless most of my bookmarks spontaneously DIED < 1240136085 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh < 1240136094 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bookmarks menu only shows some of the bookmarks < 1240137911 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://16systems.com/zero.php hm, social flaw with the experiment: Who'd reveal that they can break that sort of thing? < 1240138164 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1240138292 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1240139946 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1240139959 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-134-159.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240140247 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c199DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240140637 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240143772 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1240143916 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240145537 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1240147555 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1240147725 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240147890 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240147951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : quick #esoteric poll: if you don't want to use / to delimit a regex for some reason (e.g. if it contains lots of slashes), what character do you most often use instead? < 1240147978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while, but | i think, or maybe ! < 1240147989 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"? < 1240148143 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use : < 1240148146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually < 1240148184 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I use \ just to be funny < 1240148196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION greps for *.pl files
< 1240148247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my slashes interpreter uses ! < 1240148331 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also use : < 1240148799 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1240148808 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1240150210 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use # for some reason. < 1240150249 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And occasionally something like s{...}{...} in Perl. < 1240150305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the context for the question? < 1240150308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that pretty much only with the x modifier and multi-line expressions. < 1240150348 0 :iano!n=iosgood@076-076-146-052.pdx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240150417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in what situation can you choose what to delimit a regex with? < 1240150430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in perl, at least < 1240150468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like s#A#B#? < 1240150474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1240150488 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, guessed correctly, still division by zero ofc < 1240150510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well NaN < 1240150545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also vim < 1240150551 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and probably vi then) < 1240150590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*any vi < 1240150605 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed lets you do it, too. At least this sed. < 1240150647 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the s command, anyway. Maybe not for the address part. < 1240150673 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's probably for vim too < 1240150711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some prefix to know that there _could_ be an "arbitrary" character < 1240150726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and addresses don't < 1240150739 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Perl needs the 'm' there -- as in "$foo =~ m#...#" -- whereas with // you can just write it plain, when doing plain old matching. < 1240150758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: stop writing what i was about to say :D < 1240150777 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should just write faster! < 1240150788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unpossible < 1240150806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was actually going to explain this whole thing to myself, but you were too quick. < 1240150826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should take up one of those touch training games again < 1240150874 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to play one a lot, then i stopped, and now i'm typing in my normal random fashion again < 1240150876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i don't necessarily _think_ that fast :D < 1240150913 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually tell myself my slowness is because great machinery takes a while to get started. < 1240150924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep reformulating things in my head, i think < 1240150937 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's good for spelling < 1240150946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just slow < 1240150973 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: THE MILLS OF GOD GRIND SLOWLY, YET THEY GRIND EXCEEDING SMALL. < 1240150975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1240150976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what's the deal, i'm still much faster than a single finger typer < 1240150977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1240150994 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry for the shouting, it's just that it needs to be said emphatically.) < 1240151012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that from somewhere? < 1240151014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls that was the title of an agatha christie novel
< 1240151023 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It's a proverb; there's a Finnish version of it too. < 1240151038 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :answers.com has some etymotorology. < 1240151061 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should buy a proverb/idiom/word porn book < 1240151077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1240151083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-word porn < 1240151087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what that was about < 1240151095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possibly, wut, i'm not quite sure on that usage) < 1240151112 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Did I ever mention that I randombly bought from a book store the Oxford Dictionary of Euphemisms? Quite many of them seem to be about male genitalia. < 1240151129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think a book on porn proverbs would sell? < 1240151129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oxford dictionary? :D < 1240151133 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds academic. < 1240151163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those oxonians are such dicks < 1240151171 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opened a random page, and it said: "girl^1: a prostitute". < 1240151206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have that whatchacallit or whatchacallit book which is a similar one for american english < 1240151225 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"come together: to copulate". "persuade: to compel through violence or threats". < 1240151231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are example uses of them all. < 1240151269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the persuade works, girl i've never heard < 1240151273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1240151276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1240151302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whatchamacallit < 1240151302 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can come up with example uses, but i wouldn't actually say girl means prostitute, usage would just be implied. < 1240151317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, both in use tho < 1240151356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand some slangs do the reverse < 1240151385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are quite many in here that are tagged obsolete, too. "break the pale: to be promiscuous; The pale, as in paling, was a piece of wood, then a fence, then a fenced-in curtilage, and finally a district under the control of a centre with hostile natives prowling outside. ... < 1240151394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(use a word meaning "prostitute" for girls in general) < 1240151399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that uncommon among certain groups to call women whores in finland < 1240151417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the reverse of euphemism < 1240151419 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... If you broke the pale, you were somewhere where you should not have been: ... he breaks the pale, And feeds from home. (Shakespeare, The Comedy of Errors) [obsolete]" < 1240151519 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: eyephemism < 1240151520 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "thematic index" at the end of this book, and the "male genitalia" heading seems to have around 180 entries under it. < 1240151531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oklopol -----###
< 1240151538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T YOU GO SPREADING LIES < 1240151546 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eye(n) in MATLAB/Octave creates a n-times-n identity matrix. < 1240151549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION then gets the pun
< 1240151563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if i *went* to spread lies, then i couldn't tell them to you. < 1240151576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll just stay and spread them < 1240151593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have a mobile connection < 1240151671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, dysphemism exists < 1240151699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how fizzie responds to puns by saying something completely random that's inspired by the idea of the pun < 1240151718 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240151759 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pork sword", "spam javelin", "horn of plenty", "man-root"... even "thing", "thingy", "thingamajig"; anything's a penis these days. < 1240151771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people either ignore them, groan at them or continue them. < 1240151774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zombie jesus day" :D < 1240151802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, thing i've heard. < 1240151821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest not, although they are kinda guessable. < 1240151832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also spam javelin :D < 1240151962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked xkcd. < 1240151978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda trivial, but i haven't seen that addressed anywhere, and never occurred to me < 1240152038 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"spam^1: a penis; The common meat^2 imagery, from the proprietary brand of processed sweet pork (which is said to taste like human flesh). In many vulgarisms such as /spam alley/ or /chasm/, the vagina; /spam spectre/ or /javelin/, the penis viewed sexually." < 1240152233 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contrary to expections, this book hasn't really been very useful. < 1240152369 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An electronic version would be more useful; then I could have it annotate all words of IRC comments which are euphemisms. < 1240152415 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dudes < 1240152427 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try a ListLogPlot on Mathematica, it no works :( < 1240152491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematica is plotting against you < 1240152515 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say that < 1240152524 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least it's plotting logarithmically < 1240152527 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's slow < 1240152626 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"plotcock [obsolete]: the devil; 'Seven times does her prayers backwards pray, Till Plotcock comes with lumps of Lapland clay,' (A. Ramsay, 1800 -- all genuine witches pray backwards, and Lapland was their fabled homeland before being taken over by Father Christmas)" < 1240152632 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, okay, I'll put the book away. < 1240152742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you wouldn't be fulfilling your stereotype! < 1240153175 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-035-166.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240154022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what book is this... < 1240154177 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you will never know now *BWAHAHAHA* < 1240154184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless, that is, you find the logs < 1240154214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could read scrollback, but it seemed trivial to ask. < 1240154226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it < 1240154238 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also trivial to tease you < 1240154240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oxford Dictionary of Euphemisms" :D < 1240154328 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trouser Snake < 1240154423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i love how fizzie responds to puns by saying something completely random that's inspired by the idea of the pun <-- very good description of fizzie behaviour in such cases. < 1240155450 0 :fizzieds!n=fizzieds@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1240155526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lives dangerously
< 1240155531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(messes with fan settings) < 1240155544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although admittedly, just making them run at full speed isn't very dangerous < 1240155562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought smoke was coming out of the computer but it was just blowing out dust :D < 1240155775 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ackkkk." < 1240155785 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1240155937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:20 Sgeo is bored on Freenet < 1240155937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:20 Sgeo: Ideas? < 1240155944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Child porn (being the only thing Freenet has). < 1240155947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:37 ais523: quick #esoteric poll: if you don't want to use / to delimit a regex for some reason (e.g. if it contains lots of slashes), what character do you most often use instead? < 1240155948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1240155998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:45 Sgeo: http://16systems.com/zero.php hm, social flaw with the experiment: Who'd reveal that they can break that sort of thing? < 1240156005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data recovery "experts". < 1240156009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's their whole business. < 1240156030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One zero write is not enough to remove all data!" they say. "We can recover it," they say. < 1240156093 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240156390 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1240157574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, is that true? < 1240157590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's completely bullshit. < 1240157602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reputable companies don't offer to recover zeroed out disks. < 1240157640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant is it true you can't recover a zeroed hd < 1240157654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1240157708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you could, even though my brain says it's a ridiculous idea :) < 1240157735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well you look at the zeroes and some are like < 1240157738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-y zeroes < 1240157739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1240157746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might make sense on weed. < 1240157753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's one of those incorrect things i considered important and committed to my head when i was small. < 1240157784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240157809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err well from a physical perspective it makes sense they might be one-y, they aren't on an atomic scale yet. < 1240157818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from a technical perspective not so muych < 1240157819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much < 1240157929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-y zeroes < 1240157958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: also did you know if you eat snot it goes right in your brain. < 1240157971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still somewhat true to me. < 1240157977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: does that like apply to everything? < 1240157984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain is currently filling itself with toast. < 1240158013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1240158020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: by sort of true do you mean it's a true-y false < 1240158030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240158041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clevah man- < 1240158042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1240158088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does everything except south park keep vanishing from streaming sites < 1240158134 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean afaiu fox shows many of the shows that keep getting "removed due to infringement" free on their website, except only if you're american < 1240158143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in america < 1240158242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wanna know the exact data i have on hd recovery? < 1240158242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because media companies are stupid < 1240158253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to remove a file 8 times before it cannot be recovered anymore. < 1240158253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: as long as it's not X-y Ys < 1240158269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you mean your "false but kinda true-like" data? < 1240158287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess it removes a bit from each character of the file each time. < 1240158309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the real reason is that filesystems just mark the blocks as free, they don't actually erase them, ofc you can just zero out the file before deleting it) < 1240158317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard this when i was like 8; never occurred to me it might be *false*, so i spent hours and hours trying to figure out whether that meant the link was removed 8 times, which made no sense, or whether it was about how many times the actual data was removed, which i found unintuitive at the time as well < 1240158325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it was an important fact i needed to remember. < 1240158339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240158350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i wish I understood that kindsofstuff when i was la 8 < 1240158359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only started being non-stupid around 9/10 < 1240158411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. i may have been awesome when i was 6-8, but i was just as awesome when i was 8-11. < 1240158425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean on an absolute scale, not on a relative one < 1240158427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders when he'll start being non-stupid
< 1240158442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1240158457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i'm still very stupid, i'm just a bit less ignorant < 1240158493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've actually learned some media criticism over the years, although i still usually cannot spot lies, unless they are sarcasm. < 1240158504 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1240158519 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can spot lies, but there are certain things i don't understand that are kinda like sarcasm but not. < 1240158542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to explain, and unnecessary, point is i suck at certain social things :) < 1240158599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to think of an example to remember what he's referring to
< 1240158599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can we malloc mem at addr 0 so null ptrs dont' cause core dump?" < 1240158601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl xD < 1240158613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what was that about? < 1240158620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c/browse_thread/thread/54c90bb925b9d331# < 1240158623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240158624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone linked it, I forget < 1240158624 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1240158637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is your company working on X-ray equipment, or anything that might endanger a human life? " < 1240158638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, that's awesome. < 1240158638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240158654 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would suggest putting a level of interpretation on it < 1240158660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"iPhone is a success because it's code doesn't dereference null pointers." < 1240158664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmi think there may be other factors < 1240158666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that or sandboxing, same end result < 1240158680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Man, you seen the iPhone? It doesn't dereference null pointers. How fucking cool is that?" < 1240158682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sweet!" < 1240158697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah iphone is a success because it's so good at what it does. there are tons of things it actually does better than some earlier phone. < 1240158716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it makes calls better? ;P < 1240158722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think mallocat was like, malloc + cat < 1240158730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it allocates a new cat in memory...? < 1240158733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thought < 1240158748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it mallo a cat, you miscounted the "c"s < 1240158767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :portmaneuvers often drop common end/start letters. < 1240158826 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240158839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something got stuck playing "soda soda soda soda soda..." on my speakers. < 1240158847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240158848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240158851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave it on < 1240158853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's propaganda < 1240158866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i closed ff, and it stopped after a minute < 1240158906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah true < 1240158912 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was from south park's theme song, but the voice that said the soda doesn't sing in it... < 1240158943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd, I never had sound playing got stuck from website < 1240158946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :websites* < 1240158946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm internet ghosts. < 1240158957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I never had sound playing from within firefox at all :D < 1240158964 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well i use linux, it's kinda common < 1240158980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I guess it depends on what (if any) plugins you have installed < 1240158984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1240159324 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of one-y zeros... < 1240159342 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone done an esolang based only on fuzzy logic? < 1240159347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1240159349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not they should < 1240159351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love fuzzy logic < 1240159358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so unintuitive-y intuitive < 1240159362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there < 1240159365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(should) < 1240159380 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since "brainfuzz" hasn't been taken yet :) < 1240159401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, brainfuck derivatives :-) < 1240159443 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, "hotfuzz" then < 1240159459 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what the heck would fuzzy inc/dec be anyway?) < 1240159470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have one operation, ? < 1240159477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a decrement-y increment < 1240159483 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240159493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, and some fuzzy looping things and IO < 1240159503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program is executed by the decrements and the increments coming to a compromise < 1240159526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hotfuzz xD < 1240160706 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-171-213-254.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240160816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1240162057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor's new UI is nice. < 1240162273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=589 < 1240162274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=590 < 1240162275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear. < 1240162714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240162839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm a fuzzy logic language, how would you program in it? < 1240162845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By programming. < 1240162854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what I mean < 1240162898 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuzzily < 1240162925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it would be non-deterministic? Or am I confusing two different things here. < 1240162930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1240162932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are. < 1240162936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1240162978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to see some programming examples in fuzzy logic then to be able to get a feel for the language.
< 1240163007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something representative for fuzzy logic programming in pseudo code. < 1240163028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tough. :) < 1240163046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240163113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like feather then in that no one described it precisely enough for me to get a feeling of what it is like. Languages like that are like an itch (if you see what I mean). < 1240163156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm would SQL's TRUE/FALSE/NULL count as fuzzy logic? < 1240163163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1240163166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1240163171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google fuzzy logic < 1240163182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_logic < 1240163189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, and I'm reading the wikipedia page. < 1240163191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :already < 1240163223 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variables would be floating point 0..1 < 1240163233 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :operations would be MIN, MAX, NOT < 1240163233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1240163238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have it baked in < 1240163257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iano, not floating point, arbitrary precision fractions. < 1240163270 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a comparison operator < 1240163283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iano, that's too mainstream < 1240163345 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240163456 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-63-51.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1240163816 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: did you have used glfunge98's opengl interface? < 1240163886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: don't talk about glfunge98, it's a shame on fizzie! < 1240163892 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think I ever got it to work < 1240163896 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooww. < 1240163897 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if it's implemented? < 1240163954 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm working on my proof-of-concept funge editor and debugger, to be familiar to opengl < 1240163981 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i want to see how did others do. < 1240164078 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you looked at Fungus? < 1240164122 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1240164134 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have seen the screenshots < 1240164134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Deewiant: bequnge < 1240164138 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.230.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240164139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad impl, maybe a good editor? < 1240164140 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Bequnge is crap < 1240164147 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even like the editor part of it < 1240164168 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Fungus has the pretty run history drawing :-) < 1240164628 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungus looks not bad, but seems missing some features < 1240164706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the editor part of Bequnge have sound effects < 1240164711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: AWESOME. < 1240164733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that it looks like a cross between the matrix, befunge, and some educational program about space-time < 1240164756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks for editing purposes < 1240164766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares, that sounds great < 1240164819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it uses it's own fileformat too iirc, not the standard trefunge one even < 1240164824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEH < 1240164874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is badly implemented befunge-93 with some extensions (those extensions being larger size and extra dimensions, up to 105 iirc) < 1240164899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it is missing quite a few of the befunge-98 instructions < 1240164901 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a computer program that takes a number and a computer program and outputs an equivalent computer program, and another that takes the resulting computer program and outputs the number and the original computer program. < 1240164904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not >105? < 1240164916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: godel numbering. < 1240164921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no clue, and I might have misremembered the exact count < 1240164921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the equiv program is eval "..." < 1240164943 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :105 is correct, but don't know why. < 1240164944 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: lookup "Iota and Jot" < 1240164947 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure, but that's a rather inefficient way of doing it. < 1240164983 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea was to use this for steganography. < 1240164987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 10 [ 2 random-integer . ] times
< 1240164992 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Re: sound effects, http://www.purplehatstands.com/bequnge/screenshots/bequnge6.png < 1240165000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: <3 < 1240165002 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want to make it very obvious. < 1240165004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, if you have a super-tc programming language handy you could generate random programs and check if they are equivalent, and then repeat the process if not, until you find an equivalent one :P < 1240165012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that super-tc AnMaster < 1240165017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240165019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comparing functions < 1240165023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not super-tc < 1240165025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just impossible. < 1240165041 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's impossible outside of super-TC. < 1240165062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you implying impossible is tc or subtc (false ) < 1240165077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible is impossible < 1240165080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, "not possible" < 1240165116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually why is it impossible to do it for a sub-tc language in a super-tc machine? < 1240165124 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: bequnge looks like a typical IDE, which i didlike :p < 1240165133 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep :-P < 1240165151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why couldn't it be "possible". And here I mean "possible" in the same sense Banana scheme is "possible". < 1240165170 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like vim-y or emacs-y interface with minimal but helpful UI elements < 1240165173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you are completely ignorant of what super-tc actually means. it does NOT mean "can do the impossible". < 1240165176 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helpful -> important* < 1240165186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, you like both vim and emacs?! < 1240165197 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to avoid editor wars, FYI :p < 1240165202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1240165219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, emacs is best of course ;P < 1240165224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1240165275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it would allow solving halting problem. But super-tc langs do sometimes have stuff that can solve the halting problem. But why exactly is compare functions not super-tc? < 1240165294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1240165296 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: then tell us what you think "super-tc" means. < 1240165306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: a computer more powerful than a turing machine < 1240165338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't a machine able to compare two functions be more powerful than a turing machine? < 1240165353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not meaningful < 1240165359 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, um, suppose we have a Turing machine plus a halting oracle. < 1240165360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a machine that can do such a thing is not a meaningful concept < 1240165370 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is a meaningful concept. < 1240165383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1240165407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why not? < 1240165417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because… it isn't? < 1240165421 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm putting ehird on /ignore, since I already know that I'm right and I don't need to hear his arguments to the contrary. < 1240165426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you elaborate? < 1240165448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: have fun being sure of yourself < 1240165450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, sounds like a good plan. Personally I'm going afk, < 1240165469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehird is considering the sort of things that can be done in reality. < 1240165470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1240165569 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240165597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, theoretical is way more interesting. Who cares about reality... < 1240165632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who want stuff to work, I guess. < 1240165647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway I guess that means ehird discards the concept of UTMs too, since you can't get infinite tape/memory in real life. < 1240165673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun watching people jump to conclusions < 1240165677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The universe itself might be a UTM. < 1240165697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that depends on if the universe is infinite or not. < 1240165704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yeh, saying you can't get infinite shit is a rather big accusation < 1240165711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1240165761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and as far as I remember the scientists are currently betting on "finite but bloody huge", but I may be wrong there. Haven't really tracked the current development in that area. < 1240165778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Betting on it, but the jury is still out. < 1240165781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE SCIENTISTS < 1240165790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that's true. < 1240165792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hivemind consisting of many tiny little scientists, unified under one voice. < 1240165795 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than 'the crackpots'? < 1240165805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt < 1240165810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ? < 1240165811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT < 1240165822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if the universe goes under a heat death rather than a big crunch, its being unbounded in time *might* be enough to make it a UTM... < 1240165837 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not sure, having not thought about it too much
< 1240165852 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Just wondering if ehird had a point, evidently not < 1240165875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointy pointy point point < 1240165879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny bunny money < 1240165880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but is there enough matter in there to store the state? < 1240165892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh ok < 1240165907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so he is talking? I see < 1240165928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : See this? I'm so cool I only need to reference ignoring people *indirectly*. < 1240165931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, or maybe you could encode the infinite state in some other way < 1240165949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Really, the question is, can time be considered a tape or not? :p < 1240165953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Man, how can you handle my smoothness. My passive-agressivity is slick as fuck. < 1240165969 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240165972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that's an interesting idea. Hm you can't go back easily as far as we know today. < 1240166076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also wasn't there some theory that the proton might not be stable, but if so would have a enormous half life (if that is the right word for sub-atomic particles) < 1240166087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have an* < 1240166099 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erasing information = creating entropy. < 1240166109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half-life is still quite accurate for sub-atomic particles. < 1240166111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, hm... < 1240166128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right. My particle physics are a bit rusty. < 1240166130 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, if the universe cannot hold any more entropy, information cannot be erased. < 1240166153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, that is the perfect backup method! < 1240166180 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, the universe is constantly being encrypted further and further. :-) < 1240166189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, oh right true. < 1240166205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, at least no one would get your data then :D < 1240166210 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, that's a great cryptography method. < 1240166224 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: encrypted without no key? < 1240166229 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with* < 1240166229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, failed backup method turned great cryptography method. < 1240166231 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write your secret data on a little slip of paper. Put it inside a sealed time machine. Have it go forward really, really far. < 1240166238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I think it is like printing whitespace programs. < 1240166259 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's one-way encryption, all right :) < 1240166262 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just stir the contents around a bit; the way that you did so is the key. < 1240166276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, ah interesting < 1240166298 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To reverse the encryption, un-stir the contents and set the time machine to go backwards for the same amount of time. < 1240166305 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, the amount of time could be the key. < 1240166325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, wouldn't the time machine have a non-zero entropy? < 1240166348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in itself, and whatever it use for power < 1240166359 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you're getting at. < 1240166362 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: key space can be too small unless the universe expands forever < 1240166400 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no < 1240166400 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240166411 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you run a system forwards for a really long time, then run it backwards for the same amount of time, and any randomness the universe creates in between ends up coinciding, you'll end up with the original system. < 1240166416 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240166429 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i said was wrong, the amount of time should be in the exponent and not in the base < 1240166522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, for every n years run forward n years. I think you could do Hillbert's hotel in time this way (assuming universe expands forever). For every new time machine you need to place at some point in time, move every existing time machine one step up < 1240166539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is to the next second or whatever < 1240166559 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-046-253.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240166575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hilbert* < 1240166636 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1240167231 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240167878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( scratchpad ) FUNCTION: void* malloc ( size_t size ) ; < 1240167878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( scratchpad ) -1 malloc . < 1240167880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1240167882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( scratchpad ) 24 malloc . < 1240167884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALIEN: 4806833008 < 1240167886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1240167924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what language is this < 1240167927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor < 1240167930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240167968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting way to write arguments < 1240167972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack based? < 1240167975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240167980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240168018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatenative, functional-but-not-purely, by slava pestov, has a very good VM with an aggressively-optimising compiler, generational GC, a huge standard library, a portable GUI environment that hooks into $editor_you_like, and that uses files while still being a "live" environment < 1240168020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice < 1240168054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with live environment you mean closed world < 1240168059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1240168070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what do you mean < 1240168074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :live as in you can poke all around the system as one world; often this implies closed world < 1240168078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but factor isn't closed world < 1240168091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all the benefits of closed-world while not restricting you like that < 1240168105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also: very good documentation) < 1240168142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://factorcode.org/; but if you want to try it out, use the git repo: http://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Factor/GIT%20repository < 1240168148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it has several UI improvements < 1240168153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(use the bleeding-edge, not clean) < 1240168188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1240168215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, some descriptive example? < 1240168241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, sec < 1240168317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: here's the graphical tetris game from the stdlib (which contains some examples, documentation, slides from talks about it...): http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=595 < 1240168332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :114 lines of code, well-factored, with whitespace and whatnot < 1240168343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slides from talks about it? < 1240168345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1240168348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about factor < 1240168373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... tetris is in stdlib? < 1240168375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I'd be hard-pressed to come up with another environment where you can write tetris in that few lines of code using only the stdlib without obfuscating < 1240168378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did I misunderstand you < 1240168379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, not "stdlib" < 1240168386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a bundled module, as an example < 1240168390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USING: accessors combinators kernel lists math math.functions sequences system tetris.board tetris.piece tetris.tetromino ; < 1240168393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can learn factor from within itself < 1240168396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of those are stdlib ;P < 1240168402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: all except tetris.* < 1240168406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240168408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can paste the other tetris modules if you want < 1240168412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a bit scared there < 1240168412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1240168428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean what sort of language would have a tetris module in the standard library < 1240168437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway hm, graphical right < 1240168442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that could be hard to do as compact < 1240168447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=595#294 tetris.board < 1240168469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=595#295 tetris.gl < 1240168472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but if text based was allowed I wouldn't be surprised if it could be done as short < 1240168490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=595#296 tetris.piece (these are all just helper modules) < 1240168513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but that ends up not quite as compact indeed < 1240168518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=595#297 just "tetris" module < 1240168528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=595#298 tetris.etromino < 1240168531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: indeed, but < 1240168538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual logic is very compact < 1240168538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still rather terse < 1240168551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is mostly interface stuff and tetr definitions < 1240168611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, and, factor's directory is user-writable stuff, and it works in-tree < 1240168622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so put the git repo in ~/local/factor/ or whatever if you do < 1240168637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't install it in a site-wide shared location? < 1240168651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I know of < 1240168658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but that's because < 1240168662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you can rewrite all of the stdlib < 1240168665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from within the environment < 1240168669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no distros can have packages of it either < 1240168674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't hard to solve! < 1240168680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do something like unionfs < 1240168681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like that < 1240168693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the distro would make a "make-factor-instance" command < 1240168694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd do < 1240168700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ make-factor-instance ~/local/factor/ < 1240168703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because it's so malleable < 1240168719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only constant things are the VM, pretty much; and it's tiny enough that you might as well keep it there < 1240168728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and that would work as an overlay and refer to the system wide read only base for unchanged modules? < 1240168736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read only stdlib? < 1240168741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats, you just ruined factor < 1240168748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, read what I said again < 1240168754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240168763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was suggesting for space saving doing something quite like unionfs < 1240168765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's stupid, more work for something that saves a tiny bit of disk space < 1240168767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just text files < 1240168808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm linux source is almost only text files (there is an small image of tux too) yet even the compressed tarball is something like 30 or 40 MB iirc < 1240168817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, linux is huge < 1240168818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorl ess so < 1240168820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*less < 1240168825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1240168839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just measured my factor directory < 1240168851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the 80MB factor.image; which is the workspace image file and obviously can't be shared < 1240168867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetris ws pretty. < 1240168869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a few megabytes of binaries < 1240168870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1240168883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1240168890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:/Applications/Factor] % du -sh core < 1240168890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.3M core < 1240168891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:/Applications/Factor] % du -sh extra < 1240168893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12M extra < 1240168895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is tiny these days < 1240168901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# emerge -pv1 vanilla-sources < 1240168902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ebuild N ] sys-kernel/vanilla-sources-2.6.27.10 USE="-build -symlink" 49,327 kB < 1240168902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240168903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you wouldn't save all that much < 1240168905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and either i'm getting more patient or that was really easy to read. < 1240168906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's huge < 1240168912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the bzip2ed tarball < 1240168919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, well, the kernel is huge < 1240168922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1240168924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah it is quite easy to read if you go through it < 1240168932 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish they'd start using LZMA'd tarballs. < 1240168935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just saying "only text" doesn't mean a lot < 1240168945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1240168957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Text compresses very well. < 1240168963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it would save an MB or so at most. And take much longer to compress for a few seconds difference in download time. < 1240168971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think doing lzma would be worth it < 1240168984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has dialup.
< 1240168992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A megabyte is about 10 minutes of download time. ;) < 1240168992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what's id>>? < 1240169021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I calculated it, you'd save about 18MB total. < 1240169025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why don't you upgrade. It will be cheaper too, I mean dialup is per-minute but adsl is fixed cost per month usually < 1240169031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he can't get it. < 1240169035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, with lzma? Hm ok < 1240169036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't *offer* broadband here. < 1240169038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's impressive < 1240169038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1240169040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1240169041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :factor < 1240169042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240169051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that's per instance or? < 1240169054 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the US. We suck at broadband. < 1240169055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1240169058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: right; compared to the 80MB image file, saving 18MB is peanuts < 1240169063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that one instance can have multiple projects < 1240169069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lets say you have lots of users, maybe you are a university that wants once instance per student < 1240169078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: let's assume unrealistic shit < 1240169082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use it to support our arguments < 1240169084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mount the base copy over nfs or such < 1240169092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not sure, it isn't really documented < 1240169096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why is that unrealistic... < 1240169097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks
< 1240169111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, it's generic < 1240169115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it called on? < 1240169117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but won't it cost a lot to idle on irc then... < 1240169120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to check how much you save with LZMA'ing the tarball.
< 1240169131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: noooo i mean the syntax < 1240169141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: id>> is just a word < 1240169145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not know factor < 1240169147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1240169153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like an atom < 1240169155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1240169158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Uh, no. They still mean "unlimited" when it comes to dialup. < 1240169168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: id>> is just like hello or chocolate or **ANBUTT** < 1240169173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no special meaning < 1240169174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, never heard of such unlimited dialup < 1240169177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240169192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been ubiquitous since the introduction of 56k modems... < 1240169197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: weird. < 1240169213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, when I had dialup it was pay per minute thing. < 1240169216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: same with lisp < 1240169220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was years ago though < 1240169221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :id>> has no special meaning in lisp either < 1240169225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Per *minute*?!? < 1240169244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but, by convention: < 1240169246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: For every tuple slot, a reader method is defined in the accessors vocabulary. The reader is named slot>> and given a tuple, pushes the slot value on the stack. < 1240169251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well not a lot per minute, but it was per time unit you were connected yes. < 1240169253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i mean weird how they keep using X, X>> and >>X in the same document without them being about the same X < 1240169257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240169259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so "foo rows>>" is "foo.rows" < 1240169267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the setter is >>rows < 1240169274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo x rows>>" "foo.rows = x" < 1240169280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and it might have been more fine graded than minute, maybe it was per second. < 1240169296 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How very asinine. < 1240169297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: when i asked what it meant, i implicitly meant conventions too < 1240169300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what < 1240169306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: right I misunderstood at first < 1240169322 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You got ripped off rather hardcore there. < 1240169333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, nop, all ISPs were like that back then < 1240169337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're wrong. < 1240169340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remmeber checking. < 1240169342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember* < 1240169384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like that when I switched from 28k to 56k, it was the same some years later. Not sure if it was still like that when I switched to ADSL (which is unlimited indeed) < 1240169393 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By 'all ISPs' he means 'all ISPs in Sweden'. < 1240169396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240169402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck sweden < 1240169403 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was like that in Finland as well. < 1240169403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is implicit of course < 1240169413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Europe got really screwed over. < 1240169414 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Germany, I think, but not sure. < 1240169418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:27 ehird: "foo x rows>>" "foo.rows = x" < 1240169418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo x rows>>" "foo.rows = x" <<< probably+ ">>rows" here < 1240169420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*this should be >>rows ofc < 1240169422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now, the US gets screwed over with broadband. < 1240169422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: SNAP < 1240169437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*probably < 1240169439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1240169444 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was still like that when we switched to ADSL which was post-2000. < 1240169451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I think we have the upper hand nowdays. :P Go get ADSL instead of complain about bzip2 compressed tarball < 1240169454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: also, "tuples" = "classes" basically. also, it's all multi-dispatch < 1240169456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snicker* < 1240169466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: as in, instead of specializing on the magic first argument (the instance), it specializes on all < 1240169476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm I think I went ADSL in 2005 or so < 1240169483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 2004 < 1240169486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to, I really would. If the freaking phone company would offer ADSL here, I'd have it. < 1240169495 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And DSL is pretty obsolete if one wants "world-class" speeds. Fiber is pretty much only option for that :-/ < 1240169498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you used to have adsl right? < 1240169504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: ADSL2+ isn't too bad is it? < 1240169506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 meg < 1240169507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I know a lot of people in US with cable too. < 1240169510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fiber-speed, but... < 1240169521 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I used to be on campus, and before that, I was at a different house, with cable. < 1240169523 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wanna be more specific? < 1240169529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah < 1240169533 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can't remember the exact year but I know it was post-2000. :-P < 1240169534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 mbps down is enough in my experience < 1240169542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you are limited by the speed of the mirror anwyay < 1240169545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway* < 1240169548 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24Mbps is not "world-class". :-) < 1240169550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lessay python, "x.foo(y,z)" decides which foo to call based on the type of x right? < 1240169559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sure < 1240169560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: multi-dispatch generalizes it, by dispatching on every one of (x,y,z) < 1240169566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And on campus, I tended to get my 100Mbps line filled. < 1240169567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. common lisp's object system does this < 1240169572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which fits in with its (f x y z) syntax < 1240169578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it fits in with factor's x y z f syntax too < 1240169586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: multi-dispatch handles things like + effectively < 1240169594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, each number type doesn't haev to know about all the others when it gets +'d with one < 1240169601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: right, kinda like __radd__ and friends in python but less retarded < 1240169601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's defined over (first arg,second arg) < 1240169603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: 24Mbps is the fastest offered in the US, sadly. < 1240169604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1240169610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's if you've got fiber. < 1240169617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that with fiber? < 1240169617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF. < 1240169620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1240169668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and did I happen to mention that there's *maybe* 2 choices of ISP in any given area? < 1240169672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they both suck? < 1240169764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240169768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOGONS PRIDE < 1240169769 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240169775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://www.bogons.net/ ) < 1240169817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys do you think oklopol's computer from 2001 is 32 or 64 but < 1240169820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess 32 < 1240169829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just checked; LZMA instead of BZ2 saves 7 megabytes from the Linux tarball.
< 1240169852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I guess 32; he probably doesn't have IA64. < 1240169856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is that bzip2 --best vs lzma < 1240169857 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Sparc. < 1240169873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and how much longer did it take to compress it than bzip2 < 1240169883 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's bzip2 as given by kernel.org vs. lzma. < 1240169885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want you can give me commands to execute root on my cli < 1240169889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they help determining that < 1240169890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure both are on default settings. < 1240169893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, in my experience lzma takes WAY WAY WAY longer to compress < 1240169897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it took a few minutes to compress. < 1240169908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, lzma is slow at compression. < 1240169917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faster than bz2 to decompress, though. < 1240169942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I really think the kernel devs got better things to do than compress with lzma. < 1240169967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway lzma defaults to -7, try lzma -9 < 1240169967 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop talking about lzma, it's like the only well-known compression algo our compression course skipped :P < 1240169976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can save a few extra bytes < 1240169984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, for a few more minutes. < 1240170005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I don't know how bzip2 works either. I can still use it. < 1240170040 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240170057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lzma -2 gets better compression ratios than bzip2 and is as fast. :p < 1240170070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, interesting. How much better < 1240170072 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use ARJ if you want speed! < 1240170074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bzip2 is way more common < 1240170087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they would still need to provide it < 1240170092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as gzip < 1240170097 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Wonder would it be allowed to claim that whole zipcode has "Broadband access" if one household there has broadband using 10GBASE-LR? :-/ < 1240170108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why would i want to use a compression algo? < 1240170121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, err < 1240170123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1240170161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to this table I've got, lzma -2 on 2.6.11.0 provides has a compression ratio of 18.7%, lzma -3 has 16.7%, and bzip -9 has 17.8%... < 1240170166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing i might want to do with lzma is experiment with variations on it. using a program that's based on it doesn't sound very useful < 1240170211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's the one tarball that lzma -2 isn't better than bzip2 -9... < 1240170212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes and? < 1240170221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about using 2.6.28 instead < 1240170231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a sec. < 1240170430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :129 secs to compress with lzma -2, waiting on bzip2 -9. < 1240170479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION telnets to its
< 1240170528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, incompatible timesharing system? < 1240170531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240170616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, 2:12 for lzma -2 versus 2:34 for bzip2 -9. 51M for lzma -2 instead of 49M for bzip2 -9... < 1240170640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lzma -3 will take... A while. < 1240170733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'ma run the fullest lzma on it < 1240170734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahah < 1240170738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh bzip2 uses burrows-wheeler < 1240170776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dls linux-2.6.29.tar.bz2
< 1240170878 0 :fizzieds!n=fizzieds@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1240170883 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main benefit of lzma is in decompression. Decompression ends up taking about 5k of code, low memory overhead, and is almost as fast as gzip... < 1240170969 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph. i get a "guru meditation error" from dsorganize if i connect to the bouncer, so i have to annoy you with join/quittery now. < 1240170989 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that annoying < 1240171011 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1240171020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ see, that was fun. < 1240171044 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's so... noisy. < 1240171052 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6:01 to compress with lzma -3, 46M. < 1240171061 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1240171192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lzmaizes
< 1240171192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ai < 1240171194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1240171241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: don'tchu mean -a3 < 1240171241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1240171246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1240171246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240171257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, -3. < 1240171261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have a different lzma to you < 1240171280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240171303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lzma 4.32.7, Copyright (C) 2005 Ville Koskinen. < 1240171315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1240171326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You? < 1240171354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got that one now < 1240171388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that version is rather out-of-date. < 1240171393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shakes fist at Gentoo.
< 1240171495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :operation... < 1240171498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LZMA --BEST < 1240171499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now commences < 1240171518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% time lzma --keep --best linux-2.6.29.tar < 1240171528 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits a few minutes
< 1240171550 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240171576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits 7 hours
< 1240171751 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1240171873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's computer grinds
< 1240171925 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grind some lzma experience points, eh. < 1240171963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you some sorta playah? < 1240171979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compression porn < 1240171988 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have just heard the 'lingo', < 1240172015 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did 'play' that... progress quest, was it? < 1240172028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240172030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love that < 1240172056 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it? < 1240172066 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ran it under wine, i think. < 1240172118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it plays itself < 1240172125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a masturbating rpg < 1240172133 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a game where you just look at a slew of progress bars describing the progress of a hypothetical rpg. < 1240172160 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there's a screenshot somewhere. < 1240172205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240172221 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240172227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome < 1240172240 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't really browse the tubeswith this silly thing. < 1240172255 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-63-51.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1240172262 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bes/bes / < 1240172262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/ProgressQuest_Screenshot.png < 1240172312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to do anything? < 1240172317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you see details? < 1240172330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1240172331 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i love watching other people play. < 1240172349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly my game. < 1240172375 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to start it. [i guess you could make it auto-start.] < 1240172417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzieds: dude you turned into 2002-2004 again. < 1240172420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1240172425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your ds is a time machina < 1240172431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. machina. < 1240172435 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL, this commercial says "If you're allergic to Astepro, don't use it." < 1240172437 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NORLY?!?!?! < 1240172441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240172452 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's this device, it brings out the worst in me. < 1240172478 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Progress quest" sounds like the most boring game imaginable. < 1240172489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: NORLY?!?!?! < 1240172499 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YARLY!!!!!!!! < 1240172501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ice < 1240172501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bur < 1240172502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1240172504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there must be a corollary of rule 34 that says that some things are sufficiently boring that nobody ever thinks of invoking rule 34 on them < 1240172506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ice bur n. < 1240172515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Progress quest porn? < 1240172522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, compression porn < 1240172531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1240172537 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loook at that progress bar go! < 1240172541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I dunno, all those bytes collapsing into each other < 1240172546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like, I can imagine compression rape porn < 1240172549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll forcibly compress you < 1240172549 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1240172551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit! < 1240172552 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like sorting porn but more hardcore < 1240172553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally random data! < 1240172560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i...can't...do...it < 1240172562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, it's expanding < 1240172564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurrrrrrnf < 1240172565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc etc etc < 1240172568 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make something that, when the lzma-compressed version is interpreted as raw RGB data, is porn. < 1240172578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how bout some compression visualization < 1240172590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you could work that into it somehow < 1240172594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: so unzip a porn pic < 1240172600 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240172622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1240172630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1240172642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anything new and/or interesting? < 1240172684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not right now < 1240172704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's probably in the wrong format < 1240172763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also l77 tends not to have unique encodings < 1240172775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw did I mentioned I finished IftU? < 1240172777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lz77 < 1240172782 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any compression schemes that are reliably 1-to-1? That is, if you uncompress something, then recompress it, the original and final compressed versions will always be byte-per-byte identical? < 1240172801 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even if the original compressed version was a LIE :P ) < 1240172807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, null compression is like that < 1240172813 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a useful statement :P < 1240172815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lz78 is like that. < 1240172824 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1240172837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you can lie to it. < 1240172841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1240172867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lzma --keep --best linux-2.6.29.tar 686.81s user 4.91s system 95% cpu 12:08.12 total < 1240172872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, after several days of more or less constant play. It was *extremely* hard in the last few scenarios, like being unable to recruit or recall for most of them. < 1240172874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 ehird staff 44M 23 Mar 23:27 linux-2.6.29.tar.lzma < 1240172876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs 58M < 1240172883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the supplied bzip2 < 1240172889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, ok < 1240172894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unable to recruit or recall"? < 1240172895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure you can't lie to burrows-wheeler. but may depend on final encoding, transform is two-way deterministic at least < 1240172903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you at least get a few autorecalls? < 1240172909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes you did < 1240172936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had to select a few during the forth last (iirc, maybe fifth) or such then hang on to them for the rest of the time. < 1240172945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lie"? < 1240172967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: give it arbitary input and ask it to decompress it < 1240172972 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Provide input to decompress that wasn't actually produced by the d--- yeah. < 1240172975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being able to recruit a few units at the next to final one again, but having very little money or income and no villages (all those auto recruited ones were set as "loyal" though) < 1240172978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1240172982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and I was playing on easy! < 1240172996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: was it classified as a hard campaign? < 1240172998 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I want to make a file that you run it through (e.g.) gzip, and /then/ it's a plain text file :P < 1240172999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trout_tickling < 1240173000 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i think some statistical ones are like that, because they're so optimized redundancy will actually break them < 1240173001 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Modulo a header) < 1240173003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "expert" iirc < 1240173015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what was your income source? The 2-a-turn trickle? < 1240173031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think it was set to three a turn, but yeah something like that < 1240173048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the costs were still typical costs of about 18 for a rubbish unit? < 1240173050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nasty < 1240173055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually {INCOME 4 4 1} or something like that iirc < 1240173071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the only units you had then were low level undead ones < 1240173075 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"readamatings" < 1240173081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of low level elves like before. < 1240173106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, are there any official campaigns where you play as drakes? < 1240173113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :primarily, rather than as allies you pick up? < 1240173115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Northen Rebirth? < 1240173117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no < 1240173123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is only allies in NR.. < 1240173124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240173134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, then the answer is: none that I know of < 1240173176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, NR have them as a playable extra side though. Not just AI-controlled allies. < 1240173640 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240173849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :THIS! IS! RUTIAN! | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1240173998 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :THIS! IS! OERJAN'S CHANNEL! | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1240174022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU! MISSED! AN! EXCLAMATION! MARK! < 1240174058 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE! DOESN'T! HAVE! TO! BE! ONE! EVERY! OTHER! WORD! < 1240174061 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERM! < 1240174066 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE! DOESN'T! HAVE! TO! BE! ONE! ON! EVERY! WORD! < 1240174082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! THERE! DOES! OTHERWISE! IT'S! NOT! THE! TROPE! < 1240174089 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitlegf1u3pozudh8?from=Main.ThisIsSPARTA < 1240174097 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE! TROPE! IS! THIS! IS! ! < 1240174104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ptitlegf1u3pozudh8; catchy page title. < 1240174116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why the heck tvtropes are obfuscating their urls
< 1240174138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: NO! IT! ISN'T! < 1240174146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki software shitness? < 1240174165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well probably < 1240174197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a vague feeling it happens whenever an article has two titles < 1240174212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240174215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why they cannot choose one readable as main title, i don't know < 1240174255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait, the first i checked now doesn't fit that < 1240174276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoNotGoGentleIntoThatGoodNight has an alternate title, but doesn't fit that < 1240174319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's even longer, so it's not url shortening either < 1240174792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1240174939 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1240175096 0 :fizzieds!n=fizzieds@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1240175153 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1240175736 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"why is it so quiey?" < 1240176017 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :¡THIS ¡IS ¡TROPE ¡INVERSION | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1240176342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: you are completely ignorant of what super-tc actually means. it does NOT mean "can do the impossible". < 1240176364 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it means "can do anything tc can, plus at least one impossible thing" < 1240176425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed! < 1240176437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that one usually assumes turing computable == possible, by the Turing thesis < 1240176449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"being able to compare two functions" is super-tc, ehird claiming it is not is just plain wrong. < 1240176471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, yes < 1240176491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly possible to compare functions if you have sufficiently many restrictions on them to make them comparable < 1240176492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, assuming the functions are themselves computable, it's probably not even a very high super-tc class < 1240176494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but he claimed comparing two functions was super-super-tc < 1240176496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1240176524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a hierarchy of super-tc, of course < 1240176525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed. < 1240176527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240176533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about Banana Scheme < 1240176551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which describes that in an interesting way < 1240176574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would imagine comparing computable functions is somewhere in the first 2 or 3 levels < 1240176592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines a super-tc language that could solve the halting problem for itself without causing a paradox. Now that is most probably (haven't thought a lot about it yet) impossible.
< 1240176618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1240176648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or maybe this is hyper-tc? < 1240176654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proof of the halting problem impossibility doesn't care about what extra things you include, only how you can build new functions from old ones < 1240176660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyper tc == really impossible ? < 1240176699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you _could_ imagine a language that cannot build functions arbitrarily, but still super-tc < 1240176712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't think that's meaningful < 1240176739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no it isn't < 1240176758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hyper tc) < 1240176776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, any comments on this? < 1240176998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : because. it isn't? < 1240177007 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are really being trolly these days < 1240177024 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1240177051 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i _can_ see a way in which what you claim is true and a way in which it is false, but since you refuse to elaborate i have no way of knowing which meaning you are referring to < 1240177195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're wrong < 1240177209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oklopol -----###
< 1240177225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah really mature < 1240177251 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am merely estimating your maturity level, and responding similarly :D < 1240177274 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't claim to be mature. < 1240177320 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is the structure of all finite groups completely known, in some interesting way? :) < 1240177332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the fact prime sized groups are always cyclic < 1240177336 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made me think about some kinda decompositions < 1240177343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simple finite groups are classified < 1240177351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "simple" is a technical term < 1240177392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is also known as the Enormous Theorem, which should be a hint of the work that was needed to achieve it :) < 1240177394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not completely my own thinking, i heard something about decompositions on a lecture, but wasn't really paying attention because i was busy reading something else < 1240177414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8| < 1240177442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe there's a reason there's a separate group theory course even though the three algebra courses are already largely about groups < 1240177469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(largely != mostly, but still) < 1240177478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240177486 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240177493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a simple group is one that has no normal subgroups < 1240177501 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1240177512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(non-trivial ones) < 1240177518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1240177528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{e} and the group itself is always there, ofc < 1240177560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, ofc. i've done tons of work on this shit, the more you say the more my brain gets insulted :P < 1240177574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be careful when teaching me. < 1240177575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ClassificationTheoremofFiniteGroups.html < 1240177619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, since it seemed you had not heard about simple groups, i dared not assume you had heard about normal subgroups either < 1240177669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1240177699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way the course was taught normal subgroups were pretty much the most important thing < 1240177778 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1240177856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the group part of basic algebra 1 was about building up for homomorphism theorem) < 1240177863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or whatever that's called) < 1240177909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there was no theory on simple groups afair < 1240177932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i actually read it a few minutes ago, so i think i can safely say there wasn't ;) < 1240177948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to reading -> < 1240178084 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1240178570 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1240179481 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1240179518 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.166.86.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240179925 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240180066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:27 oerjan: given that one usually assumes turing computable == possible, by the Turing thesis < 1240180068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disagree. < 1240180070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:36 oerjan: you are really being trolly these days < 1240180070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're being more confrontational these days :D < 1240180090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just saying that because you're an asshole < 1240180127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I agree < 1240180130 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240180167 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how rude of you < 1240180196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1240180411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : So, Europe got really screwed over. < 1240180444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free local calls were never the custom here, i guess given that it's obvious they would do so < 1240180498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for dialup, that is, since it wouldn't be totally free per minute anyway < 1240180518 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All OOTS fans: 646 is up < 1240180596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all two of them < 1240180611 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oots got a bit too dark for me, i haven't read it since the familicide strip < 1240180617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION plays with factor's irc.client
< 1240180654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes that might be considered a spoiler
< 1240180760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :familicide? ooh, link! < 1240180762 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1240180776 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1240180783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LINK LINK LINK < 1240180829 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1240181013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/libjit-linear-scan-register-allocator/ ← like time cube for jit solutions < 1240181027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm is educated stupid!111 < 1240181260 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LibJIT has a huge .NET and Java background and huge real world experience." < 1240181272 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or does the person seem to think that LibJIT is a person? < 1240181291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240181297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain the ranting < 1240181486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*by clicking you are agreeing to our terms and conditions & privacy policy " < 1240181488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I'm not. < 1240181515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the US, you would be < 1240181529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a controversial precedent that breaking the terms of service of a website is illegal under the same rules that ban hacking < 1240181545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, they said clicking, just use they keyboard < 1240181865 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1240181865 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1240181865 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1240181865 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culmulative gc time 12ms < 1240182858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's very low < 1240182864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(total runtime 1.8s) < 1240182872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and average gc pause of 4us) < 1240182880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it didn't run out of memory very often, so didn't have to gc a lot < 1240182883 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1240182903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the benchmark is specifically designed to cause a lot of GCs < 1240182907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1240182912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, running out of memory is not what triggers modern gcs < 1240182916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case it's a generational collector < 1240182917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :culmutative. < 1240182923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very < 1240182925 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's a far better argument against EULAs. < 1240182925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like allocating terabytes in a loop, but not using them < 1240182927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1240182934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, there are lots; which in particular were you thinking of? < 1240182935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1240182937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: garbage 100 f ; < 1240182937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: garbage-loop 15000000 [ garbage drop ] times ; < 1240182938 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, it's a contract being presented under duress. < 1240182939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ garbage-loop ] time < 1240182950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second, it's a contract that no reasonable person would agree to. < 1240182963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is: 15000000 times, push an array of 100 "false" elements onto the stack, then drop it < 1240182968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"time" just reports the statistics < 1240182982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third, *you don't need a license* to use software. < 1240183004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you're copying it into memory when you run it < 1240183022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which court set that precedent again? < 1240183031 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please say it's not federal. < 1240183034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God I hate people who try to restrict digital copying. < 1240183041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S AN INHERENT PROPERTY OF THE MEDIUM, DOUCHEBAGS! < 1240183131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1240183139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the benchmark I used was actually < 1240183143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: garbage 1 2 3 3array ; < 1240183143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: garbage-loop 150000000 [ garbage drop ] times ; < 1240183144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ garbage-loop ] time < 1240183153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which runs 100x more, but makes an array of only 3 elements < 1240183256 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i stalk u, ehird （　≖‿≖） < 1240183260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also, 17 USC 117 explicitly allows you to make copies of software for running it or for backups. < 1240183279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs ← → ↑ ↓ ↖ ↗ ↙ ↘
< 1240183292 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :（　´_ゝ`） < 1240183317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: did you know if you run in every direction in a 2d world, forever, you will eventually get back to where you started. < 1240183335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: erm a finite 2d world I assume < 1240183346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wrapping at that < 1240183350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should add a third dimension to make it at least possible you'll never accidentally run back to Gracenotes. < 1240183351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no. < 1240183354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite < 1240183364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's mind boggles
< 1240183381 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean.. up n times, down n times, left n times, right n times, etc..?? < 1240183385 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a statistical probability = 1 theorem < 1240183388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if it's a Lahey-world, you'll end up back where you started no matter which way you go < 1240183394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's an irrational direction < 1240183407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're supposed to choose a random direction each step < 1240183427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is the proof simple? < 1240183439 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall if i've read it < 1240183474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i may have proved it for 1d at some point < 1240183476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dunno < 1240183487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's simple i think < 1240183509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought you menat like < 1240183518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walk forwards in any direction and you will get back to your original point < 1240183523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the world is infinite < 1240183526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: right, no < 1240183528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*meant < 1240183529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1240183533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz that would be trippy < 1240183551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what if it's a continuous random walk and you get bigger and bigger as you go < 1240183557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you ever touch your starting point < 1240183560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1240183563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could just have a size. < 1240183570 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, I didn't get back to where I started, you're just regularly placing start flags every few miles" < 1240183619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i've never done much stochastic processes < 1240183678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually happens to be one of the quadrillion things i'm interested in. < 1240183729 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random walks? < 1240183761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess these are all markov processes < 1240183764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah like hey nice weather outside < 1240183770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll go take a walk < 1240183786 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you grab your dies and start throwin < 1240183896 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is interesting. according to wiki, certain random walks will return 'home' in 1 or 2 dimensions, but are not guaranteed to do so in 3 dimensions < 1240183943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just said that. < 1240183963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'm interesting! < 1240183969 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the part about 3D < 1240183981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i didn't < 1240183989 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tis interesting that it doesn't hold in higher dimensions < 1240183992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you should add a third dimension to make it at least possible you'll never accidentally run back to Gracenotes. < 1240184013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TUPLE: point x y ; < 1240184015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ( x y -- point ) point boa ; < 1240184016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no not so much < 1240184016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 00 . ! T{ point { x 100 } { y 200 } } < 1240184019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ I don't know why but I love writing trivial examples that I already know I know how to write < 1240184020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is < 1240184023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that ! thang is a comment) < 1240184024 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it was implied. if you already got it < 1240184063 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :governed by a property, it seems, called transiency. This is in fact vewy interestingg < 1240184065 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-g < 1240184089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vwey < 1240184091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vewy < 1240184100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vewy intewesting < 1240184106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inter-westing < 1240184123 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intersexing? < 1240184206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :◔ヮ◔ < 1240184233 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: i go acquire soup nao < 1240184273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part about random walks of graphs and electrical resistance is also interesting < 1240184304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transiency <=> resistance to infinity is finite < 1240184408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if adding diodes would correspond to using a directed graph
< 1240184621 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1240184647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diodes are weird < 1240184657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, they aren't a simple "let current only in one direction" < 1240184667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are all sorts of other weirdnesses to deal with, even in theory < 1240184679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's best to think of them as being very different in the two directions, but not perfect in either < 1240184743 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, when Wendy's says "Honey BBQ chicken wings", what they mean is "chicken nuggets served in sauce" < 1240184745 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knew < 1240184917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240185012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: our electronics book had about 50 pages about different models for diodes < 1240185023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240185045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exponential-with-offset model is the best one I've seen, and easily good enough in practice for just about anything < 1240185062 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the "physically correct" one < 1240185065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, the constant-voltage-drop model is good enough in practice unless you're doing something really weird < 1240185081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some kinda derivation of it, although i understood it not. < 1240185113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely, i wouldn't know ofc :P < 1240185118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1240185125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember the book said so. < 1240185209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240185465 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric