< 1240272010 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :créme dementhe < 1240272020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crème < 1240272020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wut < 1240272056 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nut < 1240272069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem is that I do i = (*r)++; but when we return we try and use that as a primitive when it's not; we need the interpreter, but that's lost :-( < 1240272485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish." < 1240272488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— tunefs(8) < 1240272496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(section BUGS) < 1240272509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reads better with s/cannot/can't/ as in bsd < 1240273767 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240275539 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eigen eigen eigen eigen eigen. < 1240275567 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be so selfish < 1240283889 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The only thing I know is that I know nothing" < 1240285378 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1240286471 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The only thing I know is that I know nothing" < 1240288684 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240288735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1240290708 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.192.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240290778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1240290783 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1240294615 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1240297277 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh eigen, eigen, eigen, I made it out of clay." < 1240297526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And about instruction dispatchers, I think mooz wrote something in ASM where each instruction-handling block was a fixed power-of-two-size, so it didn't even need a table lookup; it was just "relative jump to playfield[ip] << x". < 1240297648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a well-known addendum to that tunefs quote: "Actually, you indeed can tune a fish; usually at a canning factory." < 1240298702 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@82.182.180.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240300799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1240300800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1240300957 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1240300961 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1240301182 0 :tombom!n=tombomp@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1240301490 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1240302135 0 :DarkPants!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1240302211 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1240302221 0 :DarkPants!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GreaseMonkey < 1240302538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1240304011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240304020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tunefs? Or tune2fs? < 1240304265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tunefs; at least my tune2fs man page is rather boring. < 1240304299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's this "BUGS: We haven’t found any bugs yet. That doesn’t mean there aren’t any..." < 1240304414 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not the the tunafish pun. That's in at least FreeBSD tunefs(8) man page, probably in many others too. < 1240304480 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in Solaris 10, even though it has a tunefs tool. Maybe they're too serious for that sort of stuff. < 1240304802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240304825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you use t much in fungot? I forgot. < 1240304826 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dark one:... but none have found him and his fellow titans were ousted from mount olympus. ( macmillan illustrated animal encyclopedia) < 1240304876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I doubt fungot will gain much from this change, since it actually use so many fingerprints. < 1240304876 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: any small object that is stored in a little squeamish sometimes..." " interesting point, nobby. i rushed to its deadly brink. i think-" ( dining with a unicorn horn rule is if it ain't broke then don't fix it. < 1240304999 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use t never, because any blocking read would anyway block the other threads, and I don't want to busy-loop either. < 1240305012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240305067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well this won't help you much, it just avoids allocating much of the fingerprint opcode stacks until it is actually needed. < 1240305088 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could do some sort of "whenever we have something interesting to do, fork a thread for it and let the other IP busy-loop and poll for input; when there's nothing going on, just do a blocking read" logic, but it sounds awfully complicated. < 1240305104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm down to ~310 malloc() and ~60 realloc() calls for a mycology run now. < 1240305124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of those are due to glibc internals < 1240305150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in: glibc allocates for IO or network stuff internally < 1240305167 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's mycology? < 1240305171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240305176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you have missed that < 1240305186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering how often it has been discussed in here., < 1240305194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,$/../ < 1240305200 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1240305205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1240305214 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: http://iki.fi/matti.niemenmaa/befunge/mycology.html FYI. it is an extensive funge-98 test suite. < 1240305229 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you care about malloc calls in a test suite? < 1240305238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240305264 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you are reducing allocation for performace < 1240305281 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is also a practical performance test for funge interpreter... and i recommend you to look up previous logs < 1240305287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I care about reducing memory waste. The time is the same (since glibc malloc() allocates in chunks from the kernel, and the syscall overhead isn't as large) < 1240305299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say something to the effect of "Mycology is not very representative of real-world Funge workloads", were there any real-world workloads to speak of. < 1240305334 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: of course not an representative of typical funge program, i agree. < 1240305338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed I had an unreasonable number of pointless malloc() calls before for fingerprints < 1240305348 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a* < 1240305356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 * 2 per ip in fact < 1240305372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm down to at most 26 per ip, and only when it is actually needed. < 1240305399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though they are actually realloc of null pointers < 1240305436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the code is much less complex now too as a bonus. < 1240305478 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm confused < 1240305659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about what < 1240305967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, tracking exact bounds add almost 0.008 seconds of overhead (wall clock). Of course IO is a way larger overhead. Around 0.03 seconds compared to redirecting to /dev/null < 1240306006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if -f is used for fully buffered stdout (instead of the default line buffered) the difference to > /dev/null is closed to 0.15, but still... < 1240306008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl! < 1240308968 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"X-Chat -> http://xchat.org <- At least when I quit I don't look like a lamer" < 1240315549 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240316937 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-044-005.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240316997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm I have a test program here that CCBI and cfunge prints different things for (rcfunge segfaults). And I forgot why I wrote it, and I forgot to document it... < 1240317002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HTRF"4(n 1 0aaaaa****- #v L 'b,a, @ < 1240317002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : @,a,a' < < 1240317005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the entire program < 1240317034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge prints a followed by a newline and exits, CCBI prints b < 1240317039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and newline and exits) < 1240317049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if this signifies anything < 1240317070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it means ccbi didn't reflect < 1240317073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that < 1240317100 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does cfunge reflect < 1240317107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I have no clue what it tests even! < 1240317113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check in gdb < 1240317137 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're passing a negative number to L < 1240317139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, because the value is negative it seems < 1240317140 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what L does < 1240317142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why it reflects < 1240317151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code comment says: /// L - Forth Roll command < 1240317171 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1240317184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, rcfunge segfaults. < 1240317239 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you add '0 to the TOS instead of printing a or b < 1240317251 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or in addition to, whatever < 1240317253 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. what's left on the stack < 1240317272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um? You mean checking what is on stack after? < 1240317283 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is that CCBI just converts it to unsigned and sees it as trying to roll from way below where the stack ends < 1240317286 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1240317327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last rcfunge2 prints b instead of segfaulting btw < 1240317337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just noticed I had an outdated version < 1240317342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway lets see < 1240317407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. add '0 where? < 1240317427 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the TOS, to see if it's still 1 or if it's 0 or something else < 1240317442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't adding a . be better? < 1240317448 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever < 1240317509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cat tests/frth-test.b98 < 1240317509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HTRF"4(n 1 0aaaaa****- #v L .'b,a, @ < 1240317509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : @,a,a'. < < 1240317517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ other/ccbi/ccbi_linux/ccbi.64 tests/frth-test.b98 < 1240317517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 b < 1240317527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ build/cfunge tests/frth-test.b98 < 1240317527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 a < 1240317532 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, so it's like I said < 1240317540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240317551 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you put another . there you'll get 0 1 b < 1240317570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well empty stack == 0 so I expect to get that in the end < 1240317585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ build/cfunge tests/frth-test.b98 < 1240317585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 0 a < 1240317588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ other/ccbi/ccbi_linux/ccbi.64 tests/frth-test.b98 < 1240317588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 1 b < 1240317589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hewh < 1240317590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh* < 1240317595 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toldya so < 1240317597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1240317604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ~/funges/interpreters/rcfunge2/funge tests/frth-test.b98 < 1240317604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 b < 1240317609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a bit strange though < 1240317610 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1240317648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway I'll just document this properly, and include it, since it did cause older versions of rcfunge to segfault it might be useful to someone else in the future < 1240318433 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240318784 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240319026 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1240319536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, seems Mike Riley retconned what should happen to "L should act like forth -roll with a negative argument" < 1240319562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual I'm implementing the version that was around when I originally did the implementation. < 1240319572 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, interesting, such a thing exists < 1240319606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, however I consider this undef, it was last time I looked. < 1240319863 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmh, it's not in forth-79 nor -83 < 1240319910 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor in the 1994 ANS Forth standard < 1240319925 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i wondered that -roll is even in the standard < 1240319933 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i cannot find any information about it < 1240319939 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't* < 1240319949 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not in GNU Forth either. It seems to be a bit unstandard. < 1240319960 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Factor. < 1240320002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is in PFE -- http://eckhart.stderr.org/doc/pfe-doc/ -- too. < 1240320022 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I saw that, but it says "no info". < 1240320059 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no normal ROLL there. < 1240320088 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, yes there is: http://eckhart.stderr.org/doc/pfe-doc/words/w-core-0161.html < 1240320094 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just under the [ANS] category. < 1240320104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is equally undescriptive in the documentation. < 1240320117 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wonder how I managed to miss that. < 1240320127 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I F3'd repeatedly and saw only two ROLLs. < 1240320133 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-ROLL and CS-ROLL) < 1240320144 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't accidentally search for "-roll", did you? < 1240320150 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I did. < 1240320167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, even -rot seems not to be in the ANSI standard. < 1240320210 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that roll rotates n+1 items came as a bit of a surprise to me. < 1240320257 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't in Factor. < 1240320268 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Does it in HRTF? < 1240320277 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRTH < 1240320283 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, right. < 1240320284 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it does, or n, or whatever. < 1240320295 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the details but it's not a constant value. < 1240320414 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only example in the current FRTH spec is "Example: n543210a-L will leave a stack of: 2 3 4 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 1" but that refers to the rather vaguely defined -ROLL word. < 1240320459 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it makes sense; it rolls in the opposite direction < 1240320482 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it does in Factor, although for a constant size of 4. < 1240320486 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but "4 roll" rotates the 5 topmost items in Forth. < 1240320500 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1240320505 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 roll" is a no-op, though < 1240320522 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw that in one of the standards I just browsed through. < 1240320561 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've just been reading this one draft. < 1240320567 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is not a reliable source. < 1240320634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Draft of X3.215-1994, that is; and in here "1 roll" equals "swap". < 1240320666 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was in the 79 or 83 where 1 roll was a nop. < 1240320676 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can have changed, of course. < 1240320703 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 roll is a swap in GNU Forth, FWIW: "roll x0 x1 .. xn n – x1 .. xn x0 core-ext “roll”" < 1240320728 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange change, if change it be. < 1240320764 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forth.sourceforge.net/standard/fst83/fst83-12.htm#roll says 0 roll is a nop. < 1240320802 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/lnmaurer/web/forth/Forth-79.pdf says 1 roll is a nop. < 1240320982 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it certainly seems they've decremented (or incremented, depending on your viewpoint) it between those two standards. < 1240321154 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is upset about A!!CT
< 1240321201 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also upset about one of the people from A!!CT always talking to be about his issues with the founder of A!!CT < 1240321205 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1240321226 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think.... I want that last line scrubbed from the log :/ < 1240321256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one google for something like that? Even quoted, Google just wants to find matches of "a CT" this-or-that. < 1240321299 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there search engines that do handle that sort of thing properly? < 1240321359 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google code search :-P < 1240321429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did think about using that. < 1240321450 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your search - "A!!CT" - did not match any documents. < 1240321450 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1240321504 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240321774 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still can't believe that his map of RSTV is still around
< 1240321800 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, geocities is owned by Yahoo!, so I should still be able to get to it < 1240321896 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.geocities.com/sgeo_sgeo/Pool2.JPG a pool I built < 1240321907 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.geocities.com/sgeo_sgeo/Ute.bmp a very broken norn < 1240321913 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A!!CT, RSTV... it's like a whole other vocabulary. < 1240321981 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably only 6 people or less have heard of RSTV.. or at least what I'm referring to when I say RSTV < 1240322042 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're willing to install Active Worlds, I can show you RSTV < 1240322093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related to the first screenshot, I do remember a magazine article about Active Worlds back in the 1990-something when it was being introduced. I don't think I'm interested enough for installation, though. < 1240322101 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have some sort of virtual reality hobby or something? < 1240322111 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this sort of thing < 1240322112 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240322154 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a VRML model of Helsinki city centre once; I wonder if it still exists. < 1240322173 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1240322181 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240322197 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been in and loved Cybertown, Active Worlds, and Second Life < 1240322240 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been to There, Worlds.com, vSide, Kaneva, IMVU, and at least one that I remember had a grafitti wall but forgot everything else about < 1240322257 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _hated_ IMVU < 1240322373 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen IMVU banner ads; the rest I don't think I've even heard of. < 1240322403 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You haven't heard of Second Life? < 1240322482 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i42.tinypic.com/e5ques.png I'm the reason that sign exists < 1240322575 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, SL, yes. And I think the Cybertown name rings a bell, but I couldn't say anything what it is. < 1240322602 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of those, I think I've heard only of Second Life. < 1240322662 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Had you been diligently reading MikroBitti, you would've seen a featured article about Active Worlds (I think it might even have been alphaworld at that time) at some point in 1995 or so. < 1240322676 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MikroBitti was always crap. < 1240322697 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Cybertown is a VRML Blaxxun-based community < 1240322738 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That IVN basically killed when they bought it. When it was free, it was very popular. Then Blaxxun went bankrupt, IVN bought Cybertown, required a $5/month subscription, and now it's practically dead < 1240322779 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alphaworld rings a bell, though. < 1240322814 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Alphaworld apparently was the old name of Active Worlds. Alphaworld is now the name of the original Active Worlds world. < 1240322875 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On June 28, 1995, AlphaWorld was renamed Active Worlds" --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Worlds < 1240325332 0 :oklokol!n=nnscript@sparkgw.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1240325337 0 :oklokol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i saw this glio. < 1240326191 0 :oklokol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a magnificent glio. < 1240326972 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240327293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1240327431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :E=mc^2/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1240327487 0 :jix!n=jix@92.116.153.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240327503 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240328079 0 :okloduk!n=nnscript@sparkgw.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1240328143 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240328771 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240329149 0 :oklokol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240330625 0 :okloduk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1240331102 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240331158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:55 fizzie: Do you have some sort of virtual reality hobby or something? < 1240331169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly he was abused at a young child and this is his only method of escape < 1240331173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1240331176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:07 fungot: AnMaster: any small object that is stored in a little squeamish sometimes..." " interesting point, nobby. i rushed to its deadly brink. i think-" ( dining with a unicorn horn rule is if it ain't broke then don't fix it. < 1240331176 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but it feels like... < 1240331180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sometimes/ossifrage/ < 1240331414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: your mind is going. you can feel it. < 1240331415 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: buried in the slums are clean. because of my rivals in the big bro' this job before security and the chocobo's personality. < 1240331428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1240331428 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7* fisher ic irc lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp < 1240331433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style alice < 1240331433 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll) < 1240331437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fuddlepup < 1240331439 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 24. because they can be marked with certainty: whereas affirmative propositions ( that is, with a tassel, and was fnord him with his umbrella. " who can have patience with a man that's got no more fnord than they, for all you have to hire the fitting on the fnord back, my little dear! it took me a full month to come," he said, with a glass in its eye, dressed in gown, bands, and wig, was fnord a pig on the charge of fnor < 1240331476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder alice in wonderland is so scary, with all those fnords < 1240331493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1240331558 0 :tombom_!n=tombomp@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1240331927 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@4.88.166.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240332242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:05:43 eiz: how did ESR ruin the jargon file? < 1240332242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:06:10 Hang on, I'm eating here < 1240332246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNINTENTIONAL ICE BURN < 1240332333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, that's an easy question to answer. He's added things to the Jargon File that are true of him and only him. < 1240332351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than making it a, well, Jargon File. < 1240332386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Careful pikhq or esr will go GANDHICON ON YOUR ASS < 1240332393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in for a fisking! < 1240332427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. Amtahma Gandhi -- The anti-Gandhi. < 1240332438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240332466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A master of agressive compliance. < 1240332468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hitler, on the other hand, will be reincarnated at least dozens of times as a sensitive, easily hurt pile of flesh in a realm called Naraka and tortured in specific ways (such as having his bones and organs smashed into thousands of pieces and reassembled) for many trillions of years, but eventually, when all of the bad karma that caused his evil character has been burned away, he'll get a chance to go back to good old Earth." < 1240332471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— http://shii.org/afterlife < 1240332542 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240332542 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tombom < 1240334082 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "(Ranked from worst to best treatment of unbelievers) " < 1240334100 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would the Atheism one be put as the most? < 1240334117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's put as the best. < 1240334126 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but why? < 1240334139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There's some bias at work here: Shii is a buddhist, so he views the snuffing out of the soul as a good thing. < 1240334148 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1240335666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this consciousness thing is getting kinda old anyway. < 1240335686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like conciousness :< < 1240335691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*consciousness < 1240335733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRAINS.. philosophically < 1240335767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1240335828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1240335848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what if i was a vegetarian cannibal who only ate other people's hair and nails < 1240335869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1240335874 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can parse that in two ways < 1240335875 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1240336048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not vegetarian, those are still animal products < 1240336101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not vegan < 1240336104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically if you _were_ a plant, you could be a vegetarian cannibal... < 1240336140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can be vegetarian, or are you saying there's not term for ppl who don't eat meat but drink milk < 1240336142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1240336194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is vegetarian < 1240336200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vegetarian = no meat < 1240336203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vegan = no animulz < 1240336204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarrr < 1240336209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fake vegetarian = no meat unless it's from a fish < 1240336218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vegetarians also often err what you said. < 1240336232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FISH AREN'T ANIMALS < 1240336302 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but well fish are pretty stupid, unlike most animals people eat < 1240336335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure most fake vegetarians would eat cockroaches too < 1240336356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you know braindead cats etc < 1240336358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logically, we should endeavor to kill as few animals as possible per meal. so, eat more whales! < 1240336362 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and women < 1240336378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: that's very offending, could you kick yourself? < 1240336410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: would braindead women count as vegetables? < 1240336435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm good point < 1240336458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all a vegetarian cannibal would have to do is kill the brain first < 1240336476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1240336478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1240336480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1240336480 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the only thing wrong with that is that this entire conversation, as well as everything else, is distracting me from doing homework < 1240336489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what homework < 1240336490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mad scientist vegetarian cannibal might put the brain in a jar < 1240336500 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English < 1240336505 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic Writing Skills :/ < 1240336510 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an essay due today < 1240336518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think the brain needs to be somewhat functional and in the body for the human to be a vegetable < 1240336526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*or him to be a < 1240336535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: and you where from where? < 1240336537 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds - backwards. < 1240336548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240336548 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what? < 1240336552 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :skip my correction < 1240336573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: country < 1240336581 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USA < 1240336581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or residence < 1240336588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right < 1240336694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how's it backwards? < 1240336733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the brain has to be dysfunctional < 1240336748 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's a given, but i think it needs to be somewhat functional. < 1240336768 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik they don't call dead people vegetables. < 1240336773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the life-supporting bits < 1240336810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right i guess you could just have a fake brain for that, and jarrify the actual mergfh < 1240336814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a rerun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken < 1240336837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1240336839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mike is a word < 1240336842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean? < 1240336848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh like microphone maybe. < 1240336898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this client has automatic correction, it's main use is to teach me new words. < 1240336933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On the first night after the decapitation Mike slept with his severed head under his wing.[1]" < 1240336934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1240337007 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240337023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww < 1240337039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: ban ehird he's being sentimental < 1240337045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240337065 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that cannot be ehird, must be his good twin < 1240337093 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FQh1ehArYs < 1240337187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually that's one of ehird's noticeable qualities. for instance there was this one story about a rabbit who died and ehird was all like waaa waaa that was kinda sad < 1240337199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was half joking you know oklopol < 1240337211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really traumatized like 100% of the time :p < 1240337212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like huh must be gay cuz i just laughed at the bunny and peed on it. < 1240337226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was crying at your terrible abuse of the peeing bunny. < 1240337229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sth < 1240337244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: maybe I was crying that we never got to see the bunny's guts < 1240337245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considered that? < 1240337258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. so stop making assumptions, okloPEE. < 1240337260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, tbh i shed some tears cuzza that < 1240337263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too < 1240337276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like < 1240337277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :live bunny < 1240337281 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunny skeleton < 1240337292 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not show the good parts? < 1240337319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1240337444 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good twin, i'm sure this has been explored somewhere... < 1240337518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1240337528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just rarer than evil ones < 1240337541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilTwin < 1240337589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it quite obvious it's rarer considering it's a joke on evil twins? < 1240337598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i'm assuming it is < 1240337615 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M SEEING A TVTROPES LINK. < 1240337621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1240337625 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BWAHAHAHA < 1240337635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it crashed my firefox < 1240337640 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, don't worry, it's harmless < 1240337646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curse you, firefox < 1240337647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm on ubuntu) < 1240337672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i would have gotten away with it too, if not for that meddling firefox < 1240337692 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can i get IE on ubuntu, i'm getting kinda tired of this crap? < 1240337725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wouldn't _know_ but doesn't think so
< 1240337757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, but umm < 1240337759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to < 1240337837 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, bye all < 1240337845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1240337847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's your computer being shitness < 1240337848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1240337858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah yeah probably, i have ubuntu < 1240337860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240337908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's probably because of ram littleness. < 1240337918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yar < 1240337922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cpu old/shitness < 1240337927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and components not being frenz < 1240337943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mary had a little ram < 1240337950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you'd think it could like say "i can't open anymore shit" and not like just crash < 1240337953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that, anyway < 1240337970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i suppose it's because nobody has a computer old enough to test on < 1240338031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, because on new computers it's really hard to open enough windows to crash the browser. < 1240338052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay it is in that the gui actually becomes a bottleneck for easy usage, but anyway. < 1240338054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm not saying it's that < 1240338071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: eh, beats windows, prolly. unless its one of the fucked up hw combinations that work well on windows and not on linux < 1240338085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there aren't many of those < 1240338117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never had a computer i've tried two different oses on < 1240338147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't touch hardware :) < 1240338246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol: eh, beats windows, prolly. unless its one of the fucked up hw combinations that work well on windows and not on linux <<< what exactly was this in reference to? < 1240338249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kinda dumb atm < 1240338267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well I used to have a computer where linux did the crashy crash and windows sailed like... well it was shit but not like linux < 1240338275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: turned out the hardwares just hated each other < 1240338288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and windows happened to step on their toes in a way different to linux < 1240338291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just happened to make them not crash < 1240338302 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1240338366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway, you're absolutely right in that ubuntu and firefox would work much better if i had a more recent computer. < 1240338417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they work well enough, so i'm going to keep using this thing, and just calling ubuntu a loser < 1240338422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flawless logic if you ask me < 1240338446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAWLESS LIKE A MUSHROOM < 1240338489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAWLESS LIKE A FLOOR < 1240338579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95% of teens would cry if they saw the Jonas Brothers at the top of a skyscraper about to jump. Copy and paste this EVERYWHERE if you are in the 5% that would shout 'Jump assholes < 1240338584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw this fine thing on youtube < 1240338596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they were kinda gay on south park so i thought what the heck. < 1240338616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what i was going to say was < 1240338627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube comments are kinda stupid, why do i always read them? < 1240338635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because an ! < 1240338692 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i didn't understand that < 1240338697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!! < 1240338705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that's just more nonsense < 1240338710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on in here.... < 1240338745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1240338783 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: probably some unicode thing, we just see !'s but it's really an encoded jpg or something. < 1240338886 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuh-uh you're just wolping me :| < 1240338993 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240339036 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been informed if i don't attend a shoppe now, it will be too late for me. < 1240339146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION invents nice Forthy control structure
< 1240339166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: NEED invert IF r> drop THEN ; < 1240339166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ist NEED ." T" ; < 1240339168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: isf invert NEED ." F" ; < 1240339170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: torf dup ist isf ; < 1240339192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"true torf" prints T, "false torf" prints F, "anything torf" prints nuthin' < 1240339247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i mentioned, I love >r and r> < 1240340249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1240341155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I just realised: 1d funge is concatenative < 1240341271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1240341847 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1240341963 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240343326 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240343811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For one, I own a netbook, a MSI Wind to be exact. 2GB Ram, 1.6Mhz Atom" < 1240343817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE POINT SIX MEGAHERTZ < 1240343950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Mhz/Ghz/, I assume. Atom's slow, but not *that* slow. < 1240343957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ofc. < 1240343971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 2GB of ram seems a bit excessive for 1.6ghz, too. < 1240343979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1240343994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 2.5GB RAM and 2.2ghz and when one struggles the other does too, so they're pretty well matched. < 1240343997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ghz/mhz/, i assume < 1240344002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240344004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1240344009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't < 1240344018 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR should really fix his client < 1240344040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1240344071 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....................wtf? < 1240344171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1240344182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to mount /tmp in ram unless it gets big and then switch to drive < 1240344187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on lunix < 1240344246 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My intuitive (lame) answer would be tmpfs + mount-bind + unionfs, but there's probably a smarter/better way *shrugs* < 1240344273 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmpfs + unionfs with a script. < 1240344279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a custom FUSE filesystem. < 1240344319 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, tmpfs + unionfs exist as-is :P < 1240344326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm zipping around http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/09/04/four-tweaks-for-using-linux-with-solid-state-drives/ to fig out how to make my upcoming ssd worknicely < 1240344351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee... noatime, tmpfs, ff cache in /tmp, noop scheduler < 1240344377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/02/20/aligning-filesystems-to-an-ssds-erase-block-size/ ← now how do I do this with ext3... < 1240344398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1240344403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people put /boot in a separate partition < 1240344413 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: long story. < 1240344481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh... when will intel release TRIM support? < 1240344496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those tweaks + TRIM support probably = love < 1240344503 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Some bootloaders can't handle partitions that are too big, or reading data past a certain point on the partitions, or certain filesystems, so /boot is made a separate partition, at the beginning of the drive, in a supported filesystem, of a small size, etc. < 1240344514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ah. so it's a workaround for lilo. < 1240344518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that shit < 1240344533 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a workaround for BIOSes that don't support too large partitions. < 1240344534 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt highly that LILO has any of those limitations. < 1240344536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1240344536 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or GRUB. < 1240344546 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's mainly BIOSes with bootloaders that use only BIOS calls. < 1240344558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also very handy if you've got root in LVM; bootloaders don't support LVM yet. ;) < 1240344569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how I'll get Factor on the ssd and not on it at the same time, i.e. I want work/ to be on the big hd and the system to be on the ssd < 1240344569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240344571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1240344585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/local/factor/ since ~/local/ = /aux/ehird-local or whatever < 1240344598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then ln -s ~/src/factor-work/ ~/local/factor/work < 1240344613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy peasy < 1240344627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really want TRIM support though < 1240344673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why the noop scheduler? < 1240344681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't remember seeing that one for ages < 1240344710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: see http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/09/04/four-tweaks-for-using-linux-with-solid-state-drives/ < 1240344719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadline is another option but a lkml post sez that deadline can be really slow under heavy load < 1240344722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 second fsync < 1240344722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1240344737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah seems noop is always there < 1240344772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the thing is that cfq optimizes for avoiding moving the head or w/e < 1240344778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is meaningless on an SSD and so just wastes time < 1240344785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, while still being fair < 1240344791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1240344794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes cfq is best for disk of course < 1240344798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and deadline would work if not for the unusability under load < 1240344801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, noop < 1240344816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION examines how big his tmp folders are
< 1240344825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure deadline was made for normal spinning disks too < 1240344829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum... < 1240344833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 gigabytes < 1240344836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.0K /tmp < 1240344836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :756K /private/tmp < 1240344837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1240344838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.0G /var/folders < 1240344841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240344844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/var/folders? < 1240344849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: os x thang. < 1240344850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think /var/folders contains some big stuff < 1240344851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240344855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not really /tmp < 1240344857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like a cache < 1240344859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, worrying < 1240344861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, /var/tmp can grow big on some *nix < 1240344877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.6M /var/tmp < 1240344901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: apart from /var/folders that's just 2.3MB < 1240344905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, usually not a good idea to make it tempfs either, since fhs iirc declares it not to be temporary temporary, rather persistent temporary (not cleaned out on boot automatically) < 1240344907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1240344908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have no problem with losing 2.3MB RAM for performance < 1240344916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm sure there's an fstab thing to fix that < 1240344917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hm < 1240344924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume the 5g doesn't happen on the linux stuff < 1240344933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anything under 100MB is just fine to lose :P < 1240344938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that'll be great < 1240344957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends. Gentoo use /var/tmp/portage for compiling packages in. If you decide to use openoffice instead of openoffice-bin I guess it could hit the 5 GB mark easily :P < 1240344957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noatime helps a lot sez ted ts'o < 1240344970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well then I'd reconfigure that < 1240344971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes noatime is good for normal drives too < 1240344987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to use my big hd -- since writing 5GB to an ssd will have a quite big impact until TRIM < 1240344992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not huge impact < 1240344998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRIM? < 1240344998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll accellerate it a bit < 1240345007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ATA TRIM; do you know how ssds work? < 1240345015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to overwrite data in a block they have to copy it, modify it, then put it all back < 1240345020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you write a lot of data, it slows down < 1240345024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't know how ssds work, but I do know how flash works. I have used cf cards < 1240345032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with TRIM, they'd mark blocks that are just that file and nothing else < 1240345034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as free < 1240345036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at delete-time < 1240345047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240345051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus making it go fast for way longer < 1240345057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even tho they're still really fast worst-case anyway) < 1240345059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in writing to a cache line without fetching it first? < 1240345071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like is done for write-combining memory < 1240345072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hm? < 1240345089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what i mean is that when you use an ssd for a while it runs out of free blocks < 1240345100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so has to copy a block, rewrite it and put it back most times you overwrite < 1240345104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fast, but slower than just writing a new block < 1240345114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ssd and journaled file systems wouldn't work nicely together < 1240345115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since TRIM would mean more blocks are marked free on delete time, it'd help a lot < 1240345116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect < 1240345118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they do < 1240345125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard ones? < 1240345133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1240345137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the only usable SSDs are intel's and the ocz vertex < 1240345149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the intel X25-M (best one): http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/03/01/ssds-journaling-and-noatimerelatime/ < 1240345154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr basically no journaling overhead < 1240345155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the standard fs:es < 1240345167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he uses ext4 there < 1240345172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ext3 would be more or less the same there < 1240345204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway unless you need the access time to be accurate for files/directories I recommend noatime for *all* partitions < 1240345215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they are not on ssd < 1240345230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I never really trust fs timestamps < 1240345238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Changing them is just one 'touch' away < 1240345248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer in-file metadata when I can control the format < 1240345260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that needs more deliberate rewriting and can be version controlled < 1240345266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true. But unless you assume someone is malicious it can be useful for trivial stuff like auto deleting unused files in /tmp < 1240345304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more or less needed on servers where you will have uptime in the range of half a year - a year < 1240345311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True enough/ < 1240345317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/$/./ < 1240345325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how often you reboot your desktop it may be needed there too < 1240345346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually init scripts clear out /tmp on reboot, and since you plan to use tmpfs for it anyway < 1240345363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: any idea about http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/02/20/aligning-filesystems-to-an-ssds-erase-block-size/; it tells you how to do an alignment thing with ext4, can ext3 do that? < 1240345405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, and, what fs would you recommend for /home? plain text (inc. code), document files, music, long high-definition video files (multi-gb ofc)... so really a whole range of stuff < 1240345417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but not really any OS stuff; apart from e.g. binaries of programs I'm working on and what not < 1240345433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the os i'm pretty sure I'm going with ext3, since it's popular < 1240345588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's lvm btw < 1240345623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1240345626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LVM < 1240345638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, an outdated technology, 2.6 kernels use LVM2 < 1240345639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1240345659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is a flexible Logical Volume Manager 2 < 1240345666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's LVM2 then < 1240345668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1240345669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning you can resize partitions on the fly and such < 1240345672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and create new < 1240345674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without rebooting < 1240345680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah. so, most distros have that then? < 1240345681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd assume? < 1240345685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on fs you may need to unmount or not first < 1240345691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As it turns out, if you are using ext4, there is a way to tell the file system that it should try to align files so they match up with the RAID stripe width. (These techniques can be used for RAID disks as well)." < 1240345694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand that < 1240345699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have yet to see a GUI frontend to LVM < 1240345702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it mean that aligning to raid stripe width is useful on non-raids? < 1240345708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: right but do distros ship with lvm < 1240345725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, usually the kernels support it yet. But usually it isn't the default way to install < 1240345738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also you need at least /boot on a non-lvm partiton < 1240345750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use initramfs/initrd < 1240345771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1240345775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what about the raid-y question thing < 1240345791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wish to skip initramfs/initrd then /sbin and /etc must be on non-lvm too < 1240345813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway lvm (which implies lvm2 99% of the time, I was just nitpicking...) is very useful < 1240345814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it < 1240345823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for RAID-y thing < 1240345823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240345827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1240345839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it doesn't make sense to me < 1240345846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1240345865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can tell it's obviously right, I just dunno what i'm meant to do to get a simple ext3 ssd setup that's all aligned and shit :) < 1240345885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you need aligning for non-RAID? < 1240345903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 'cuz of how ssds' blocks work, see http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/02/20/aligning-filesystems-to-an-ssds-erase-block-size/ < 1240345915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I wouldn't go for ext3 personally, but either ext4 or xfs. But I don't know how well xfs works on SSD. < 1240345941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My experience is exclusively based on rotating storage technology usage. < 1240345961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ext4 blowing up on badly written apps scares me :) < 1240345971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't wanna trust that shit to an experimental fs < 1240345978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whutz wrong with ext3 AnMaster? < 1240345985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, only if you crashed in the middle of that app running < 1240346014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it is a bit slow and over time it does get fragmented, and there is no defragmentation tool for it either. < 1240346026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Fragmentation means nothing on SSDs, < 1240346030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah true < 1240346032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot that < 1240346032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accessing any point is as fast as accessing any other. < 1240346058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit slow? I'd think SSD speed offsets that, but with the noop scheduler I'd expect ext3 to be... well, not slow. < 1240346067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Unless you mean cfunge-optimization kinds of slow. :-) < 1240346071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well you might want to tune the journal thing to only journal metadata (unless that is the default, I forgot) < 1240346083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like journaling < 1240346087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no I meant slow in a more usual sense < 1240346092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm. < 1240346100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes but writing all data twice is going to wear out the disk twice as fast. < 1240346110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic < 1240346116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: see http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/03/01/ssds-journaling-and-noatimerelatime/ < 1240346121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems not to matter much < 1240346126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, OS drives generally don't see big files < 1240346147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes, default ext3 is painfully slow, but journal_data_writeback and dir_indexes give it a steroid pump" < 1240346155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1240346192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is there a way to bind mount ~/.*? < 1240346195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, all dotfiles < 1240346205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unionfs? < 1240346207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1240346208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be useful as config files are tiny and apps wouldn't have to hit the slow mechanical HD < 1240346213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can it match on something like that though < 1240346216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just a directory < 1240346221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, unknown < 1240346223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1240346224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean < 1240346229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :custom fuse driver < 1240346231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :union mechanical and ssd to ~ < 1240346235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put dotfiles in /aux/ehird/dotfiles < 1240346237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes something like that < 1240346244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that would work if not for apps managing their own dotfiles < 1240346247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting them on the wrong drive < 1240346247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know if it will work < 1240346268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc unionfs can do some stuff to decide where the files will go. But I don't know to what degree. < 1240346289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1240346297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway ext4 issues were precisely because apps were changing their dotfiles a lot < 1240346308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd just be nice to have apps start up without bothering the noisy, slow (yet big) mechanical monster < 1240346332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should only hear that thing if I open a document/media file :-P < 1240346398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just get enough ram to put most stuff in cache? < 1240346409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you can get quiet spinning disks < 1240346416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Uh, do you think 12GB is enough? :-P < 1240346423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, you can, but at the cost of speed. < 1240346449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The drive I'm getting is 7500rpm... and it's going in a copper enclosure + the case is lined with acoustipak to dampen the noise; I really doubt I'll hear anything. < 1240346449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. You know about "acoustic management" that most modern disks have? < 1240346452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240346461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use hdparm to put it in quiet mode < 1240346472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you don't care about cfunge performance level anyway < 1240346473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a 5400 rpm will always be quieter than a higher one < 1240346479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 5400 rpm is just too slow for me < 1240346490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: think I should spend $10k to get 7 x 160GB SSDs in a RAID? >:D < 1240346493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ joke, obviously < 1240346517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how large will that SSD you decided to buy be? < 1240346521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 160 GB < 1240346529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would cost a lot yeah < 1240346536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It is not the cheapest drive. < 1240346547 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1240346552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1240346587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The prices for the 160GB Intel X25-M are like $500-$900. Really pricey drive, but the CPU, the RAM and the drive are really what matter... < 1240346654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION examines his current drive.
< 1240346661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's an Intel. < 1240346666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. I'm planning on just spending $200 to double to quadruple almost all the stats of my system... < 1240346682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "Why 250k and not 256k? I can’t tell you — sometimes the LVM tools aren’t terribly intuitive." <-- That captures the essence of LVM tools very well. < 1240346683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It does not help that I have an unhealthy obsession with getting this thing silent. < 1240346701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but LVM is very good. Just the tools are a bit "baroque" as it says. < 1240346704 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh. Well, that's going to be very expensive. < 1240346712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You have no idea. Take a guess. < 1240346716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's an i7 machine too. < 1240346723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if you plan to use lvm you _will_ need to read a tutorial < 1240346727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: :-D < 1240346742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, you know you guys said you've seen fans on RAM? When would that be neccessary? < 1240346742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and bookmark some reference docs! < 1240346756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fast enough ram I guess. < 1240346760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about, say, 6 of these... http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=745 < 1240346762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1240346782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't claim to be an expert on it < 1240346785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that I saw it. < 1240346786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be a bitch if that'd need a fan. < 1240346797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyhoo, take a guess. < 1240346812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the fact that they have some sort of heat-sinky thing (the red metal thing... < 1240346819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure there is enough space between the ram slots < 1240346822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for it to fit < 1240346825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah, but that's just for 3 of them. < 1240346832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 might get a lil' hot. < 1240346840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, read what I said instead? < 1240346845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1240346854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at the mobo now < 1240346855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and three could get hot too. I don't know. < 1240346870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The moboroborama: http://www.endpcnoise.com/e/images/asus_p6t_deluxe.jpg < 1240346895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stange... I've got something that looks very like a phishing email < 1240346896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you need physical measurements of the RAM and the mobo and some math < 1240346901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: $1,000 and up. < 1240346907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's from and reply-to a correct address at Birmingham Universit < 1240346909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*University < 1240346911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wish! < 1240346916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's telling me a username/password, rather than asking for it < 1240346921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: forged from < 1240346924 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And up". < 1240346924 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1240346925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest looks very suspicious, though < 1240346933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's very vague. < 1240346935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: reply-to the same address? they'd never get my reply... < 1240346941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: true enough < 1240346944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point being that it's more than you really need. < 1240346954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know from can be forged, after all I've done it myself in the past < 1240346975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given $1,000, I'd probably end up with a couple terabytes and a minimum of 8 cores... < 1240346978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most disturbing is that they put my email in initcaps < 1240346980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Getting even a mid-end machine silent is expensive enough. < 1240346982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing Bham.Ac.Uk is just weird < 1240346992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, might as well go upwards-compatible while I'm at it. < 1240346995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody writes top-level domain names like that! < 1240346996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, terabytes of what? RAM? :P < 1240347006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about the received from headers and such? < 1240347017 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, though I'd also have quite a bit of RAM. < 1240347025 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use hard drive space *that* much. < 1240347044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Mm; I'm going for a 1TB main hd. As I said, upwards compatibility; since, as I also said, silencing a mid-end machine is already up there price-wise. < 1240347055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even with my habit of ripping DVDs, it's hard to fill my 500G HD) < 1240347061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I suspect it'll all be internal University < 1240347076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ever seen the size of a blu-ray rip? < 1240347078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, hell, I guess if you've got the money to spend, might as well... < 1240347090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about stripe width I don't think ext3 can do that. < 1240347092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. Blu-ray. < 1240347093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it never left bham.ac.uk < 1240347103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd make it easy to fill the hard drive. < 1240347107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah. < 1240347110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, still strange < 1240347117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You also need ridiculous CPU to play those things. < 1240347124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 3GHz for a single-core machine, I read. < 1240347129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a mid-range graphics card. < 1240347131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that it's legit, but very incompetent < 1240347141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Single-core? They still make single-core chips? < 1240347145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :P < 1240347147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, it's the sort of message that I'd ignore both ways round < 1240347152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : But, hell, I guess if you've got the money to spend, might as well... <-- ... go for IBM RoadRunner? < 1240347158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah. < 1240347163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm going for the Radeon HD 4850; which is probably mid-high-end or something. Only cuz it's the best one that I could find passively cooled. < 1240347167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wow, the HTML mart is bad < 1240347170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*part < 1240347185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :

 

< 1240347186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, Deewiant said the only faster cards ATI make are and the 48{70,90}. < 1240347191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<--- a representative sample < 1240347191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you're far pickier than I am with computers. < 1240347191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's Word that is. < 1240347208 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to be a generation behind. Cheaper. :p < 1240347209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I know, I've spent hours dewording html before now < 1240347231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick's to first use Tidy's auto-deworder to remove the worse bits, then a whole load of Emacs regexps < 1240347232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is out of order too. Unless can be put at any place except the start. < 1240347239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: More like "my current computer mostly fulfils my needs, but I get really irritated when it doesn't, and hw more powerful than you need runs high loads smoothly" < 1240347241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it looks very out of order to me < 1240347242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That is, < 1240347252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's quite a lot of effort just for one nbsp < 1240347254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A workload that'd max out a 2-core 2.2ghz system will be just a blip for a 4-core 3.2ghz system. < 1240347265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So if you max out your system quite a lot... < 1240347274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I should specify, my main reason for being a generation behind is budgetary concerns. < 1240347283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, man I'd love an IBM Roadrunner though. Think of how fast you could compile openoffice on it. On and how fast cfunge would run. < 1240347295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually cfunge wouldn't currently gain anything from it :/ < 1240347298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could get use out of much more expensive hardware if I had it, I just don't have the cash. < 1240347299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is single threaded. < 1240347309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm considering hiring the guy who handled Disaster Area's finances for this. < 1240347329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some bits could be made parallel < 1240347346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you could make t multi-threaded, just sync it up < 1240347353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm falling rather far behind, though. < 1240347365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a single-core chip. < 1240347365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB < 1240347366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* 14 USB 2.0 ports (6 ports at mid-board, 8 ports at back panel) < 1240347372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that wouldn't gain anything, since it would be lock step, you couldn't even run two ips in the same tick at once. < 1240347372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of a use-case for 14 USB ports. < 1240347375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my AMD processor isn't with AM2. < 1240347378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be 100% lock step < 1240347398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have a Single core Sempron 3300+ < 1240347401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :single* < 1240347403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Special Features < 1240347403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Multi-language BIOS < 1240347405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ASUS MyLogo 2 < 1240347407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. < 1240347410 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single core Sempron 2800+. < 1240347411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume mylogo lets you replace the BIOS hugeimage, right? < 1240347412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multi-language BIOS? < 1240347413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240347414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So set it as a totally black one. < 1240347416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1240347418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen it < 1240347424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a nice and simple way to get this computer's stats? < 1240347426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd just get the "Press DEL" etc at the bottom of the screen. < 1240347431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be the nice. < 1240347434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was using a Dell recently. And entered BIOS setup. And it asked what language I wanted < 1240347436 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liek cpu & ram < 1240347439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the BIOS settings menu < 1240347443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Klingon. < 1240347446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I max out my CPU regularly. < 1240347448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not an option iirc < 1240347453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Gentoo, after all. < 1240347465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I use gentoo too. But I use openoffice-bin < 1240347474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with IBM Roadrunner I could compile it myself :D < 1240347493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently using 35% of my CPU. (Up to 200%) < 1240347503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've used 2.03GB out of 2.5. < 1240347515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have 28GB free of my 221GB HD. < 1240347519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah. < 1240347526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the main culprit atm for CPU usage is Safari. < 1240347531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It always uses like 70% of CPU. < 1240347543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Support Disc < 1240347543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drivers < 1240347546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASUS PC Probe II < 1240347548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASUS Update < 1240347550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASUS AI Suite < 1240347552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anti-virus software (OEM version) < 1240347554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Image-Editing Suite < 1240347558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wished my mobo came with an image-editing suite and an antivirus < 1240347560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a suite for artificial intelligence! < 1240347563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a major job running, so I'm currently using 1% of my CPU. Gleee. < 1240347576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb → < 1240347596 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should fix that
< 1240347934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lzma -9 away! :p < 1240347983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know a nice chess ai library? < 1240348288 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-041-244.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240348444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 22:14:00 up 5 days, 2:08, 15 users, load average: 0.25, 0.10, 0.02 < 1240348448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox is running < 1240348454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is KDE 3.5 and konq < 1240348460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have a single core < 1240348499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15:14:53 up 2 days, 19:49, 11 users, load average: 1.20, 1.03, 0.62 < 1240348509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got lzma -9 running. < 1240348529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Ratpoison & Xulrunner. < 1240348532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single slower core. < 1240348621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 GHz x86_64 here < 1240348711 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5:18 up 27 days, 2:22, 7 users, load averages: 0.75 0.72 0.67 < 1240348755 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 GHz dual core here. but i don't know why LA is somewhat high. < 1240349034 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-32-45.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240349337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, they ruled that turnitin is fair use < 1240349337 0 :sebbu3!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-9.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240349353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gives me a very good reason not to assign copyright on the things I hand in to them like the University want < 1240349770 0 :sebbu3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1240349800 0 :sebbu3!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-83-221.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240349901 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what you're talking about, but good for you! < 1240349953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TurnItIn is an anti-plagery site. < 1240349972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess his uni wants students to assign copyright to the university. < 1240349988 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1240350010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems like something that couldn't really stand -- contracts under duress don't really stand up in court all that well. < 1240350014 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240350027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's xulrunner doing < 1240350034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a web browser. < 1240350046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what browser < 1240350049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, I'm using it for Conkeror. < 1240350061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm feeling more GUI-inclined, it'll be Firefox instead. < 1240350072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why ratpoison instead of stumpwm? < 1240350085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not bothered switching to stumpwm yet. < 1240350220 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240350257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that Ratpoison isn't really actively developed any more, so I'll probably switch over to stumpwm sometime soon. < 1240350299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You're just too faux-hardcore for floating windows. :P < 1240350340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating windows?... < 1240350361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ratpoison is a tiling window manager. < 1240350370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes... < 1240350370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ No floating windows < 1240350375 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1240350384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kay... < 1240350526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.endpcnoise.com/e/images/psm-5000.jpg This cooler looks like bread. < 1240350562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably costs some bread. < 1240350582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, $24 _is_ an amount of money... < 1240350589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1240350593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just for wimpy mini-ITX cases. < 1240350597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Nexus PSM-5000 is a passive full copper SkiveTek heatsink for Intel Pentium M processor and it is perfect if you want to create a single fan solution in your psile case. The interiour design of your Psile allows you to cool your Pentium M using only the internal case fan that is inlcuded in the package of your psile case. " < 1240350972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Woman rams someone's car in road rage incident, floors the accelerator and spins her tires until they light her car ablaze, then refuses to get out of the car and tells everyone to "fuck off" as flames engulf the car. She was burned alive." < 1240350974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— reddit < 1240351003 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1240351049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A modern day Thích Quảng Đức! < 1240351090 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite. :-P < 1240351123 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, I can't infer what exactly she was protesting against, if anything. < 1240351161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Other cars! < 1240351190 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1240351203 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1240351211 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240351292 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240352151 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1240352205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, you can mount zip files in Ubuntu Jaunty < 1240352215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were supposed to be able to in earlier versions, but I never got it working < 1240352244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh < 1240352252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know anything about filesystems? < 1240352304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all that much < 1240352307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a small amoutn < 1240352309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*amount < 1240352318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1240352329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume there's some sort of zipfs or whatever on the loopback device, that's the obvious way to implement it < 1240352347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1240352348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general < 1240352359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1240352370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a bit of the details of how ext3, FAT, and tar work < 1240352372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about it < 1240352390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1240352414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just trying to figure out how to do http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/02/20/aligning-filesystems-to-an-ssds-erase-block-size/ without LVM or ext4 < 1240352427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it with LVM. < 1240352433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LVM is very, very nice. < 1240352434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: y < 1240352443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it looks scary and I don't want a separate /boot partition < 1240352469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not all that scary, and if you *insist* on not having a seperate /boot partition, check out GRUB 2. < 1240352483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRUB 2? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! < 1240352552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That doesn't solve ext4, anyway. < 1240352574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, -E stripe-width is valid for ext2 and ext3. < 1240352584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: really? yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay < 1240352589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but does it align to the width? < 1240352599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what kernel is ubuntu 9.04? < 1240352625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6.28, IIRC < 1240352631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1240352639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ uname -a < 1240352641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux dell 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:57:59 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux < 1240352657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty recent kernel, actually, just 4 days old < 1240352688 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Pretty sure. < 1240352700 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That option is meant to make ext2 on RAID faster. < 1240352714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ATA TRIM was committed on april 6th < 1240352718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: will that kernel have it? < 1240352744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of TRIM < 1240352749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1240352754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will a patch that recent be in that kernel < 1240352757 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 days old but it's based on a Linux much older than that! < 1240352767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be, it might not be < 1240352773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: so, no then < 1240352774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different patches go through the system at different speeds < 1240352778 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the 2.6.28 would indicate that < 1240352785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fix for an = via == typo would go through pretty quickly, for instance < 1240352790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a major feature addition probably wouldn't < 1240352794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1240352798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the ocz vertex supports trim < 1240352815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OCZ YOU MAY GET $$$ FROM ME IF INTEL DO NOT GET THEIR SHIT TOGETHER < 1240352851 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The X25-M supports TRIM < 1240352857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: WHAT? < 1240352873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the articles I've read say that the hardware could do it but the firmware doesn't support it, Deewiant < 1240352889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is TRIM, anyway? < 1240352898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: second < 1240352908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1240352946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:16 ehird: AnMaster: ATA TRIM; do you know how ssds work? < 1240352947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:16 ehird: to overwrite data in a block they have to copy it, modify it, then put it all back < 1240352949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:16 ehird: so if you write a lot of data, it slows down < 1240352951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:17 ehird: with TRIM, they'd mark blocks that are just that file and nothing else < 1240352953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:17 ehird: as free < 1240352955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:17 ehird: at delete-time < 1240352972 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://communities.intel.com/message/11911;jsessionid=C561787359D1A280372F19A61E8EE881 < 1240352974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1240352975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:18 ehird: AnMaster: what i mean is that when you use an ssd for a while it runs out of free blocks < 1240352978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:18 ehird: and so has to copy a block, rewrite it and put it back most times you overwrite < 1240352980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:18 ehird: which is fast, but slower than just writing a new block < 1240352982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:18 ehird: since TRIM would mean more blocks are marked free on delete time, it'd help a lot < 1240352990 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Maybe it's new, since that was posted only two days ago < 1240352991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: do you have an SSD hard drive, then? < 1240352999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: future tense < 1240353000 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's just planning on getting one < 1240353002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1240353008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure ext4 does that no matter what the filesystem < 1240353012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well, that's awesome < 1240353020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ext4 does that no matter what the filesystem? < 1240353021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL WAT :D < 1240353022 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Intel's SSDs are awesome < 1240353025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although obviously the optimisation isn't nearly as useful on other filesystems < 1240353033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, optimising deletion of large files < 1240353044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, no, TRIM is basically unused < 1240353068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OK, do you know if you can get the kernel to do TRIM shit without compiling your own? < 1240353084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a kernel module, or in main kernel, I wonder? < 1240353086 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't, and I don't care, for two reasons < 1240353092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: main < 1240353098 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firstly, I don't have such a drive AFAIK < 1240353103 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secondly, I always compile my own < 1240353103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, filesystems are normally in modules < 1240353113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IT'S NOT A FILESYSTEM! < 1240353115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a drive issue < 1240353117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1240353123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's vaguely fs-related, thoguh < 1240353282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, is /tmp = /var/tmp? < 1240353304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240353311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp is wiped every reboot < 1240353316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/var/tmp is wiped less often < 1240353316 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp is temporary, /var/tmp is not < 1240353317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's /var/tmp for < 1240353324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Untemporary temporary < 1240353325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR < 1240353327 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1240353335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :temporary stuff that you might want to persist a bit, but you don't mind the system deleting if it runs out of disk space or whatever < 1240353339 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for less temporary temporary stuff < 1240353342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like /tmp on Windows < 1240353356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, so /tmp should be in tmpfs, but /var/tmp should not. < 1240353360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240353360 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1240353373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION asks #linux about TRIM.
< 1240353445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:37 ivantis: What is a PHB? < 1240353507 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240353701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that PHB as in pointy-haired boss, or some other expansion of the acronym? < 1240353720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Former. < 1240353742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Following the lead of other open source projects, the Clojure project requires contributors to jointly assign their copyright on contributed code. The Contributor Agreement (CA) gives Rich Hickey and the contributor joint copyright interests in the code: the contributor retains copyrights while also granting those rights to Rich Hickey as the open source project sponsor. < 1240353746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Download and print out the Contributor Agreement < 1240353749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you hope to contribute via Clojure's Google Code projects (clojure and clojure-contrib), specify your Google Code username on the agreement. Please specify the name/email you use on the Google Group as well. < 1240353752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sign the agreement < 1240353754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send your signed agreement via postal mail to: < 1240353756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rich Hickey < 1240353758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.O. Box 316 < 1240353760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pleasantville, NY 10570-0316 < 1240353762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So to contribute to Clojure... < 1240353765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you have to fax or mail a copyright assignment form. To the USA. < 1240353768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1240353780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:42 Guest60476: how do you run bin files? < 1240353789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems ##linux isn't very intelligent. < 1240353795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod a+x them and type the filename into a prompt < 1240353798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know, it /might/ work < 1240353802 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/intelligent/knowledgeable/ < 1240353812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it doesn't, probably nothing else will, unless you happen to have an emulator handy < 1240353830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in this case, it would have < 1240353836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:43 Guest60476: Acd201: qt-sdk-linux-x86_64-opensource-2009.01.bin < 1240353848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH he should use a package manager < 1240353864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Untemporary temporary HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR <-- as I said before < 1240353868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1240353872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just didn't read that < 1240353887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I was mocking the concept of untemporary temporary. < 1240353889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I didn't see. < 1240353929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: apart from /var/folders that's just 2.3MB < 1240353929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, usually not a good idea to make it tempfs either, since fhs iirc declares it not to be temporary temporary, rather persistent temporary (not cleaned out on boot automatically) < 1240353929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : iirc < 1240353929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I have no problem with losing 2.3MB RAM for performance < 1240353929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: I'm sure there's an fstab thing to fix that < 1240353932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1240353943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what you meant with that reply though < 1240353947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never said /var/tmp < 1240353953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant setting /tmp broke that < 1240353956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to tmpfs < 1240353975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok more context: < 1240353976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, /var/tmp can grow big on some *nix < 1240353976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.6M /var/tmp < 1240353976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: apart from /var/folders that's just 2.3MB < 1240353976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, usually not a good idea to make it tempfs either, since fhs iirc declares it not to be temporary temporary, rather persistent temporary (not cleaned out on boot automatically) < 1240353976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : iirc < 1240353982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. I meant /tmp then < 1240353984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1240353995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You were remarkably unclear; and stop whining about it, honestly. < 1240354014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was crystal clear, but it is pointless to disucss that with you < 1240354026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I was so crystal clear that I couldn't understand you. < 1240354032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/I was/You were/ < 1240354116 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think the DMD bug I want fixed is in the 9643-line expression.c. < 1240354132 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't narrow it down as much as I'd hoped. < 1240354134 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240354136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I hope that file is auto generated. < 1240354140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not it is way too long < 1240354141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why? < 1240354143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with big files. < 1240354145 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It isn't. < 1240354150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it is harder to manager < 1240354151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manager* < 1240354155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manage* < 1240354156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1240354159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Splitting up atomic units makes no sense. < 1240354169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true. But then the design is wrong. < 1240354178 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW this isn't atomic in any sense of the word. < 1240354183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Uh huh. < 1240354195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Sure, but AnMaster meant it's inherently too large. < 1240354195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anything over 2000 lines in a single file is hard to manage in my experience when it comes to C < 1240354196 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This file, as one might guess from the name, implements the semantics of every type of expression in D. < 1240354203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other languages has different inherent limits < 1240354212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Bullshit. < 1240354228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I disagree < 1240354241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what recent nvidia cards are like. < 1240354253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it could be split into expression/foo.c expersion/bar.c and so on I guess. < 1240354265 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it certainly could. < 1240354282 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :69774 lines in 76 files. < 1240354301 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of which 61830 are in the 46 .c files. < 1240354330 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes for a mean of 1344 lines per C file. < 1240354338 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/C/.c/ < 1240354342 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are C++, not C. < 1240354440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240354577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:52 manpoole: i used a weird cpu temp to display 17 C would the be close to the normal tmep of a processor? < 1240354614 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Ein Amerikaner? < 1240354615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, amongst my updates for today is a suggested update to Finnish hyphenation in OpenOffice < 1240354623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally when it updates languages, it updates them all at once < 1240354626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not this time < 1240354632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Wut? < 1240354662 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: My guess is he can't read Celsius < 1240354686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more interesting, I'm going to have to run updates twice in a row < 1240354693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Maybe he's using a pentium 386 or something < 1240354698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the updates was for update-manager, which apparently isn't updating something it should < 1240354706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those could probably run at 17c < 1240354722 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they can't. :-P < 1240354746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What about http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/KL_Intel_i386DX.jpg < 1240354754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 mega hertz! < 1240354799 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And? Doesn't mean it runs at 17 C :-P < 1240354807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is finnish we're talking about. hyphenation is actually ai-complete there, so it's a separate project. < 1240354812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1240354816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really/ < 1240354824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1240354843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**SETTING: It is 2038. A stark room filled with thousands of computers. Eliezer Yudkowsky sits at a terminal.** < 1240354847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./ai_server start < 1240354850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./ai_terminal < 1240354858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I highly doubt that it runs at lower than room temperature. < 1240354861 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A word can be hyphenated differently depending on its meaning, without changing its spelling. < 1240354872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does, that's either impressive cooling or a cold freaking room. < 1240354876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that is bad < 1240354878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am an AI more intelligent than any human. What do you demand of me? < 1240354881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you mean i was accidentally right? < 1240354888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : We humans are in a dark age. < 1240354892 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, that was accidental? :-P < 1240354899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : There is one problem we cannot solve -- important to millions of people. < 1240354903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And it is? < 1240354906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you knew me that well < 1240354906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed it was just oerjan oerjanising < 1240354912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Please help us hyphenate Finnish text. < 1240354914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~FIN~ < 1240354916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not surprised he was right by accident < 1240354918 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1240354942 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm struggling to come up with an example although I know I'm right. < 1240354975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the best way to copy multiple gbs of data really quickly between local computers is. < 1240355040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1240355049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OCZ Vertex firmware upgrades require that you wipe your drive. < 1240355055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this is so for the X25-M? < 1240355068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is, no worries. Before upgrading I can always just copy it all to the 1TB HD. < 1240355068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit of a ridiculous restriction, having to wipe your drive to upgrade its firmware < 1240355072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s only 160GB max. < 1240355099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'd imagine physically putting both the HDs inside the same computer and using dd would be pretty fast < 1240355099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: theoretically there's probably a norwegian example as well < 1240355102 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant: you mean i was accidentally right? <<< you didn't know ä and a are a separate character with nothing in common in finnish? < 1240355104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what dd was designed for as well < 1240355110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*after all < 1240355116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if you don't mind disconnecting the drive, SATA and rsync. < 1240355120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, rsync. < 1240355122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: BZZT < 1240355123 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, "kaivosaukko". Can be either "kai-vos-auk-ko" ("opening of a mine") or "kai-vo-sauk-ko" ("well otter") < 1240355129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Note: it does not have to be realtime < 1240355136 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Theoretically probably? :-P < 1240355138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One option I was considering is a huge flashdrive. < 1240355144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copy it over bit by bit. < 1240355145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait what was being talked about < 1240355147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB flashdrive that is < 1240355151 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well doesn't matter. < 1240355151 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, "penisland" < 1240355160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dumb. The network is probably faster. < 1240355183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HYPHENATION-. < 1240355186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you use rsync instead of dd. ;) < 1240355187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not umlaution! < 1240355191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a USB cable will almost certainly be faster than a USB cabel < 1240355193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cable < 1240355194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Last time I copied a lot of data over ethernet, it took something like an hour to copy 11GB. < 1240355200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: LOL WAT < 1240355205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: usb cable = infinitiest infinity? < 1240355205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*USB pendrive < 1240355215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in the cable will be faster than the pendrive < 1240355218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:05 Deewiant: Ah, "kaivosaukko". Can be either "kai-vos-auk-ko" ("opening of a mine") or "kai-vo-sauk-ko" ("well otter") < 1240355221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you only have to copy over USB once, not twice < 1240355222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well otter :D < 1240355232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a USB flash drive is slower than that... < 1240355233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Firewire would be faster < 1240355235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do otters often live in wells? < 1240355240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO BAD NOTHING DOES FIREWIRE < 1240355244 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit that that's a bit of a ludicrous word. :-P < 1240355246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I thought it meant like, a healthy otter < 1240355249 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it illustrates the point. < 1240355252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, might I recommend trying to get gigabit Ethernet? < 1240355254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But an otter living in a well is fine too! < 1240355257 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, specifically the water kind of well. < 1240355258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suspect they're different words in Finnish < 1240355286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Too lazy to get gigabit ethernet. < 1240355304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, my 'net can't benefit from it and this is just a one-time copy. < 1240355304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get terabit ethernet! Or preferably, petabit! < 1240355311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Migration of crap from imac to new box) < 1240355320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't really want to try and remove the HD for obvious reasons) < 1240355327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. it's really fucking hard to get into an imac) < 1240355339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST LIKE OS X AMIRITE GUYS < 1240355345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At a bare minimum, use rsync instead of dd. < 1240355350 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's significantly faster. < 1240355354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: for a one-time copy? < 1240355366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly it's faster the second time < 1240355366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1240355372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd is more raw, no? < 1240355385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rsync's the easiest way to copy data while preserving permissions, modification time, etc. < 1240355391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fortunately for us, flash based storage has access times nearly as fast as RAM" ← I thought this said nearly twice as fast as ram and was like WAT < 1240355400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually, the old intended program for that was cpio < 1240355414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it lost a war against tar, which does something entirely different < 1240355420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because cpio can also do the same as tar < 1240355452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: dd copies every fucking byte of the filesystem. Unless you've got a full filesystem, dd is one of the slowest ways to get stuff off the drive. < 1240355472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant dding files, silly pikhq. < 1240355473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Or if you have a particular reason for keeping the exact same filesystem. < 1240355478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a drive file. < 1240355480 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, that's just dumb. < 1240355489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how big the files are! < 1240355509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Largest file on here... probably a few hundred meg. < 1240355510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how fast cp -rp as root would be? < 1240355514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE a gig. < 1240355516 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you want to preserve permissions. < 1240355519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cp -R is slow as fuck < 1240355525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i've trouble thinking of a norwegian example which isn't equally ridiculous < 1240355528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't surprise me < 1240355531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i have < 1240355534 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or modification times, or ownership, or... < 1240355547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the famous example in English is "coworker" < 1240355553 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ridiculous is fine < 1240355556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though cow-orker doesn't make a whole lot of sense < 1240355561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people like saying it anyway < 1240355565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who orks cows, duh. < 1240355568 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's an orker < 1240355568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, exactly < 1240355575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: someone who orks < 1240355582 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kor-sanger: choir singer, kors-anger: cross regret < 1240355583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orking 4 up, 3 down < 1240355584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking. esp. in the manner and style of orcs (rough, brutal, noisy & crude) < 1240355586 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cow orker [Usenet] n. fortuitous typo for co-worker, widely used in Usenet, with perhaps a hint that orking cows is illegal. < 1240355587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Urban Dictionary < 1240355590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure the phrase is defined, but the joke is common enough that it tends to come up a lot anyway < 1240355603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, cow orkers are people who fuck cows in the manner and style of orcs. < 1240355605 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears not to be. < 1240355681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/oczvertexfollowup_033009020937/18688.png ← Damn, the X25-M is fast. < 1240355685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally fast. < 1240355703 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1240355704 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also too expensive for you. < 1240355720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wuzzat supposed to mean < 1240355730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kiddies aren't allowed X25-M's? :P < 1240355738 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what you said when I first pointed you to those graphs :-P < 1240355759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that was when I was still blinded by reason and account balances. < 1240355768 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1240355770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have since seen the light. The platinum-plated light. < 1240355801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you’ve read anything about Windows 7 Starter Edition, your first reaction was probably the same as mine: Is Microsoft nuts? This ultra-cheap edition is intended for use on netbooks, but its biggest restriction sounds like a complete deal-breaker: it only runs three applications at once. " < 1240355803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahahaha < 1240355821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you didn't know the 3-app-at-once limit? < 1240355822 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point of that article was, of course, that it isn't a deal-breaker. < 1240355829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope < 1240355831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw how much do you interact with fingerprint manager in IFFI? < 1240355831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been discussed for years on the Interenet < 1240355831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's wrong < 1240355838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not a lot, I don't think < 1240355840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, for windows 7? < 1240355841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I replace is the main loop < 1240355844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *might* have broken IFFI again. I don't think so though < 1240355846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests
< 1240355849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: pretty much ever since 7 was announced < 1240355859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP Starter had the same restriction, but it wasn't intended for netbooks < 1240355862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they didn't exist at the time < 1240355876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Netbooks are becoming more powerful, really. < 1240355881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the really cheap version for selling to countries that couldn't afford anything more powerful < 1240355889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon s/(notebook|laptop)/netbook/ in the lexicon. < 1240355890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and netbooks becoming more powerful is missing the point < 1240355917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the really cheap thing misses the point, since they just pirated it instead. < 1240355931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and have no trouble opening three full-featured programs as well." < 1240355938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people let Microsoft tell them this shit? < 1240355986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:19 rob327: [root@hahainyourface ~]# python < 1240355986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:19 rob327: Segmentation fault < 1240355990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah well, ha ha in your face. < 1240355992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it still works < 1240356071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1240356075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what? < 1240356085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sad. Not funny < 1240356091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1240356105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pathetic attempt at being funny there ehird. < 1240356113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I understood this happened < 1240356116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still pathetic < 1240356136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you're talking about, but the general structure seems to imply shit, so I'm just going to ignore it. < 1240356182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why is he trying to start python as root? < 1240356198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1240356252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :superpython < 1240356266 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mooooore extra for yooooou < 1240356268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240356273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna go now. < 1240356425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy earth day, says google < 1240356476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:24 bmc: apt isnt a package format < 1240356477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:24 bmc: and it does support rpm < 1240356478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:25 bmc: apt is just a wrapper/frontend for dpkg or rpm < 1240356480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that true? < 1240356563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: imo earth day should be established only once there is an alternative for it. < 1240356574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: just pretend bmc is AnMaster, then you should immediately see that it's a laughable idea that no one in their right mind would think of < 1240356580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1240356594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey now I use statistical correlation like all the best AIs < 1240356627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only celebrate that which is a minority < 1240356642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is a frontend for dpkg < 1240356645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: BEING ALIVE DAY < 1240356649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the package format is *.deb < 1240356653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1240356658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://familycrafts.about.com/library/spdays/bljuly20th.htm < 1240356660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik it doesn't work for rpm < 1240356709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: err what about that < 1240356718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: an alternative :D < 1240356734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :earth day? I heard about earth hour, but not earth day < 1240356736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by alternative i meant an alternative for earth < 1240356747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although no one likes the place really, it has no atmosphere < 1240356758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon isn't one yet, well, will never be < 1240356762 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1240356776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are better ones at hand < 1240356821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION twiddles thumbs while waiting for adsl modem to arrive
< 1240356828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a doorstop router until then :D < 1240356846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also even if there's an alternative for earth, earth would have to contain less than 50% of humanity in order to be celebrateable. < 1240356867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what about easter < 1240356878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's easter about? < 1240356879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 99.314159% of humanity are christians < 1240356889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not celebrating chriatianity. < 1240356892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: jesus dying then resurrecting and going "lol j/k guys" < 1240356898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not very... minority? < 1240356903 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, it just feels that way < 1240356908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has it happened many times? < 1240356913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: good point :D < 1240356930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you could have an earth day if it was formally about some event related to earth < 1240356961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you cannot just assign a day for earth per se, until earth contains less than 50% of humanity. < 1240356966 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is absolute truth. < 1240356989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what about people living on mars < 1240356991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can they celebrate earth day < 1240356992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : like 99.314159% of humanity are christians <-- No. It is is more like 25-30% or such iirc < 1240357002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the largest one though < 1240357005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :314159 < 1240357011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it's obvious I was hyperbolerizing < 1240357015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240357021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a marker for it < 1240357028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about ^ < 1240357031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about ‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽ < 1240357039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 99.314159%‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽ of humanity are christians < 1240357040 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hard to say, i have given this less thought than i should've. < 1240357065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Christian share of the world's population has stood at around 33 per cent for the last hundred years. < 1240357084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that means they have one third right? < 1240357098 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :333333333333333 < 1240357098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok 33% then I was slightly off < 1240357100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1240357102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you were more off < 1240357107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe god assigns portions of people to religions based on the accuracy of their beliefs. < 1240357112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1240357119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a pitty it wasn't 66.6666666666666666666% < 1240357120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1240357132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what if the majority of people become atheists < 1240357135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that god offing himself < 1240357150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1240357154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, god of atheists take care of it. < 1240357156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are your questions so hard < 1240357163 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask something simple like you know bunnies. < 1240357168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: bunnies? < 1240357173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunnies. < 1240357176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1240357177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunnies. < 1240357178 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're simple creatures. < 1240357187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can attest to that, being one. < 1240357194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, how are "bun" and "bunnie" related? < 1240357194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240357194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just illustrating what i meant by simple. < 1240357196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1240357198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i just say that < 1240357198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all I guess < 1240357200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1240357204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: bunny. < 1240357207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a y. < 1240357214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I missed the s rather < 1240357221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-y becomes -ies in most English plurals, bunny -> bunnies is one of them < 1240357221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly bunnies are tasty in buns < 1240357227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: did you miss all 4 of them? :D < 1240357228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes I know < 1240357228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's an Easter reference? < 1240357238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunnie < 1240357239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how rabbits ended up associated with Easter anyway
< 1240357250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bunnies." "bunnies?" "bunnies." "ah, bunnies." "bunnie?" < 1240357257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, and what about eggs... < 1240357268 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1240357274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eggs are even more connected with easter, at least around here. < 1240357279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240357279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's a south park episode about it < 1240357281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't make a lot of sense either. < 1240357283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's less complicated < 1240357288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: doesn't mean it's true < 1240357296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's better than the truth. < 1240357300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and witches of course. But I guess that is pretty much specific to Sweden. < 1240357307 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever the truth is < 1240357311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and go google it if you are interested in it, < 1240357315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of easter witches before < 1240357315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,$/./ < 1240357321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :witches are associated with halloween over here < 1240357356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, first hit on google (haven't checked accuracy with more than a glance): http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1889922_1890008,00.html < 1240357377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is no halooween here. Well it has been imported in recent years. < 1240357382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halloween* < 1240357419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, rather we have "All saints" at the same point. Same origin iirc(?) < 1240357429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's a lot bigger in the US than in the UK < 1240357435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and isn't all saint's the day before or after/ < 1240357491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe, I'm not religious. < 1240357508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reasks ssd q in ##linux again
< 1240357524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that times article is wrong < 1240357553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time < 1240357554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not times < 1240357565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The tradition is said to come from the old belief that witches would fly to a German mountain the Thursday before Easter to cavort with Satan." <-- Not a German one. One on an island in the Baltic sea, slightly north of the much larger island "Gotland" < 1240357566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the times is a uk newspaper < 1240357574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah right. < 1240357595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Times was founded by John Walter on 1 January 1785 as The Daily Universal Register" < 1240357596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an awesome name < 1240357600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE DAILY UNIVERSAL REGISTER < 1240357614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1240357626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how is that related to um a newspaper... < 1240357638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "universal register" sounds like something that is a part of a UTM < 1240357642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than a newpaper < 1240357659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, Universal register... Would be a turing complete register < 1240357660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in the old sense, i assume < 1240357660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alone < 1240357661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1240357664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no instruction set! < 1240357666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a registry of going-ons < 1240357666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240357670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1240357673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :universal meaning that it doesn't just cover a town, I assume < 1240357677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still I like my interpretation better < 1240357739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, the april 20th intel x25-m firmware update doesn't wip < 1240357739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1240357741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike the old one < 1240357743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no DOS either < 1240357744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just boot up a cd < 1240357768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how computable a single (bignum) register for both code and data would be
< 1240357769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1240357770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bizarrely, according to the synthetic HD Tach benchmark, the new firmware slows the read and write speeds by ten per cent." < 1240357771 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1240357771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On the other hand, CrystalDiskMark shows that the write speed doubled from 35MB/s to 70MB/s. It was a similar story in ATTO Disk Benchmark, where the write speed also jumped forward." < 1240357783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a bignum is equivalent to infinite memory < 1240357798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes but you could only operate on the whole register at once < 1240357824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus to modify data you would have to modify the code too < 1240357827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a side effect < 1240357848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how this would work (if at all) but I don't think I ever saw this idea before. < 1240357853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's testing the 80gb x25m and not the 160gb one < 1240357856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why < 1240357866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I need your help here. ^ < 1240357882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there are self-modifying programming languages around < 1240357890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really just depends on how powerful your modification mechanisms are < 1240357896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes befunge for example... < 1240357902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge doesn't force it < 1240357905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1240357911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any that does force it hm? < 1240357915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's just increment/decrement, and you don't have an IP or anything else separate, it's obviously non-TC < 1240357916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the program at once < 1240357927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... or is it? < 1240357928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it bit be bitwise operations only! < 1240357933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1240357940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, must be with just increment/decrement < 1240357946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can only have one program that's an infinite loop < 1240357964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err depends on how program is read < 1240357965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are obviously at least two different non-terminating Turing-compatible programs < 1240357977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: stored in MSB downwards < 1240357985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: this is bignums < 1240357988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have an MSB < 1240358000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they have a highest currently set bit though < 1240358001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1240358002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but either you either have a separate instruction pointer to record where in your program you are < 1240358004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you want to call it < 1240358020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the bignum needs to store the entire state, including the program location < 1240358044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think there should be no separate IP and always the 8 lowest bits will be used for selecting instruction to execute. < 1240358048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1240358065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only operations are the INTERCAL bitwise ones :D < 1240358078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly with some other absurd one added to make it TC if it isn't < 1240358100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :issue is I can't think of any good ones < 1240358101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be interesting < 1240358116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some of the INTERCAL operations take two arguments < 1240358121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I seriously doubt it would be TC without mingle < 1240358137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I take consolation in: < 1240358148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few hobbies more expensive than my upgrade. < 1240358151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, say, cars. < 1240358161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why use powerful massively-upgraded computers? < 1240358167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been trying to stay low-end as much as possible < 1240358170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well maybe the binary operations could be implicitly using bit-interleaved numbers < 1240358171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this laptop is more or less bottom of the range < 1240358177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm upgrading because this system limits me < 1240358182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that would be utterly pointless on a mingle! < 1240358187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: this system doesn't limit me! < 1240358190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Going a bit higher in spec to make the upgrade worth it, then making it silent, costs a lot anyway. < 1240358190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes obviously < 1240358196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what ways are you limited? < 1240358197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So...; also, it may not limit you. < 1240358199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not me < 1240358201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1240358206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm interested, rather than critical < 1240358219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, the only resource I've really found has caused me problems in the past is disk space < 1240358238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run many applications at once; you tend to stay minimal and use things like w3m, I don't; I mess with large amounts of data a lot; I hate waiting for a computer to realise I've done something < 1240358243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so lets say it takes the top half and the lower half. half here meaning "half of the range to the currently most significant set bit" < 1240358244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on < 1240358246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/sda6 111713482 64038606 41998712 61% / < 1240358251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I may as well buy something futureproof < 1240358254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: -h plz < 1240358258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for mingle that is < 1240358265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on < 1240358266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/sda6 107G 62G 41G 61% / < 1240358277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :107GB? lawl < 1240358292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, that's wrong < 1240358297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have a 100G hard-drive, do I? < 1240358299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was only about 20 < 1240358307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused
< 1240358310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my / is 0.7 GB and contains 230 MB data. < 1240358314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 20GB? < 1240358316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No way. < 1240358318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I use many paritions < 1240358323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partitions* < 1240358324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I had an 80GB HD in the early 2000s. < 1240358331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have an old Dell with a 20 GB harddrive. < 1240358334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Getting a new 20GB drive would be a marvel. < 1240358337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently so < 1240358341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's taking up all the space? < 1240358343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your HD is 700mb? < 1240358344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe backups, I suppose < 1240358348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it has a "designed for windows 98 sticker" < 1240358348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or entire Linux distributions < 1240358349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no < 1240358353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my / partition... < 1240358357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: backups on the drive? < 1240358358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwat < 1240358362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my harddrive is 350 GB < 1240358376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: backups of other things < 1240358377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my / partition is 700 MB < 1240358383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have backups of things here elsewhere, obviously