< 1240963205 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1240963208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi coppro. < 1240963212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You came in at exactly midnight. < 1240963230 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1240963235 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or 7PM :P < 1240963240 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1240963240 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's 1st o'clock < 1240963247 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 PM here < 1240963255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you seriously saying you can't wiggle your ears? < 1240963264 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1240963265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can wiggle them if I smile/frown. < 1240963269 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can wiggle my ears back and forth, but not up and down. < 1240963272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without that < 1240963279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I can't do back forth, only up/down < 1240963281 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can wiggle and lick my nose :P < 1240963301 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can fold my tongue length-wise. < 1240963309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, you mean back (ear -- ear) ? < 1240963311 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me either < 1240963311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1240963324 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what "ear -- ear" is supposed to mean. < 1240963329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I can fold my tongue length-wise. <-- can't do. < 1240963336 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only met one other person who can :P < 1240963339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can wiggle and lick my nose :P <-- what? wiggle your nose? < 1240963346 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are two separate talents :P < 1240963351 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can wiggle my nose, and I can also lick my nose. < 1240963358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, as for lick nose. No. But I can reach far in the other direction. < 1240963360 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1240963364 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm ginger :D < 1240963378 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND WHO'S THE BEST MUTANT HERE?! < 1240963432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh Madagascar, you are so naive. Once I have you all Iw ill escape on a ship < 1240963434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE FUCK < 1240963436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY ALL FOUND ME < 1240963445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MARTIAL LAW EVERYWHERE < 1240963451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT I'M INVISIBLE IN MADAGASCAR < 1240963455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240963456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it spread < 1240963457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did it spread < 1240963464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaccine?! < 1240963472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wikihow.com/Wiggle-Your-Ears < 1240963494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what < 1240963501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VACCINE DEPLOYED!! < 1240963505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you, Pandemic II. < 1240963518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it worked. < 1240963540 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank God Poland is safe - no one comes to this shithole < 1240963577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, I bought a load of symptoms and shit to try and kill the few people i have < 1240963633 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1240963642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, game. < 1240963645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash one < 1240963650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which explains a lot. < 1240963651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he knows, probably. < 1240963680 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1240963687 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what's the url < 1240963695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmgtfy.com < 1240963711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is the name of it < 1240963718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pandemic II < 1240963755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what was the url for the url < 1240963757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1240963777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, real url is http://www.crazymonkeygames.com/jkf6Tr/pandemic2.swf < 1240963780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, uh, you need flash. < 1240963812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, really!? < 1240963817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1240963821 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need graphical terminal < 1240963822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's a flash game? :P < 1240963842 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to find one these days < 1240964729 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my virus is called ehird < 1240964750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you don't kill anyone < 1240964763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im on the phone wit the president of madagascar < 1240964767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's shutting down everything < 1240964768 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone, in fact < 1240965882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that game doesn't make sense? < 1240965890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"buy symptoms"+ < 1240965892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1240965904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried it (of course, since it is flash) < 1240965930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from what you told me it mentioned it makes no sense from a biology point of view < 1240965937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's a game < 1240965940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not a biology lesson < 1240965952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why not realistic games. < 1240965957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what prevents that < 1240965965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a game about being an actual virus would be unbelievably difficult and not fun at all < 1240965977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok, but what about other ones < 1240965989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if realism was fun, games wouldn't exist < 1240965997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd be going out inventing our own viruses. < 1240965999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there could be both < 1240966005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: did you know, supertux isn't realistic? < 1240966018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes. I'm saying there is place for both. < 1240966019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :penguins don't look like that, they don't jump on walking snowballs with eyes and those snowballs don't fall down < 1240966021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the world isn't 2d < 1240966032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and blocks that make you big don't come out of things that you wack from below < 1240966041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny that < 1240966060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, don't be daft. Why do you think you are still short. < 1240966065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's right. < 1240966077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You thought it was all made up right? < 1240966078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well in super mario bros it's a mushroom < 1240966078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1240966087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what I get from that is, do mushrooms and possibly other drugs < 1240966089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ strong & tall < 1240966091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes both exists. < 1240966343 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if llvm would handle dynamic typing shit, the thing i'm trying to implement < 1240966416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1240966480 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wai < 1240966555 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1240966555 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1240966555 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1240966576 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240966576 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1240966576 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240966689 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1240966700 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1240967083 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt code generated by llvm slower than code generated by gcc? < 1240967089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240967101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang is more or less gcc competitive afaik < 1240967311 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh, clang is even faster < 1240967348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1240967471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But GCC doesn't need to reap my soul to be installed. < 1240967496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1240967505 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a bitch. < 1240967513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, easy. < 1240967516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get install < 1240967520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240967531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure --perfix=$HOME/local/llvm < 1240967538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a notable lack of aptitude < 1240967539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfix < 1240967548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prefix < 1240967550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1240967554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, does it work on x86_64? < 1240967573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, it's more of a bitch than I'm willing to deal with. Otherwise, I'm just misinformed. < 1240967577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :......... pikhq only if you have x86_64_magic_pixie < 1240967580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I < 1240967588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1240967589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1240967593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it does < 1240967603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid question < 1240967610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isnt < 1240967612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :docs! < 1240967620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it generates fucking machine code < 1240967635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it's not. There's code generation involved, making x86_64 involve actual *work*. < 1240967635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes but docs. And it supported it for years < 1240967662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Years. x86_64 is a rather recent architecture. < 1240967688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes, not many years. But more than one certainly. < 1240967690 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux has supported x86_64 for a few years, and it's supported x86_64 longer than it's been publicly available. < 1240967708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that's interesting < 1240967712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter I mean < 1240967719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did it manage that < 1240967723 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240967735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... cpu samples < 1240967738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from amd < 1240967739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1240967741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux devs were handed free hardware and documentation. < 1240967756 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it could be supported by 2.6.0. < 1240967794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240968132 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1240968476 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i was sleeping... sorry for too late answer. what was the question? < 1240968699 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240970236 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo-Val-Hum-Fem < 1240970257 0 :Sgeo-Val-Hum-Fem!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1240970553 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1240970574 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm src has been downloading for an hour < 1240970865 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1240971651 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240972897 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.164.185.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240974209 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either explain why the latter half of this disjunction cannot be accomplished, or explain why the former half cannot be accomplished. < 1240974344 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, here's a simpler one: < 1240974354 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a disproof of this statement. < 1240974563 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better one: < 1240974567 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This statement is false. < 1240974670 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this statement" is ambiguous, e.g. this statement is false: the pig can fly. < 1240974735 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unto itself, however, "This statement is false." would appear to be self-referential. < 1240974767 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as such unambiguous < 1240975092 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is "There is a disproof of this statement." < 1240975157 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it like to know that your simple decision has killed hundrens, and might kill millions? < 1240975208 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is this a hypothetical "you" or some "you" in particular? < 1240975248 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30461857/ < 1240975283 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hernandez wanted to keep him home from school so he wouldn't get sick, but her husband said, "We can't be afraid of what might or might not happen." < 1240975352 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't going to shoot an AK-47 into a crowd of civilians, but we can't be afraid of what might or might not happen. < 1240975511 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But Jose Luis Martinez, a 34-year-old resident of the town, made the swine flu connection the minute he heard a description of the symptoms on the news: fever, coughing, joint aches, severe headache and, in some cases, vomiting and diarrhea." < 1240975518 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are the symptoms of ALL FORMS OF INFLUENZA < 1240975560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it quite funny that people are afraid of eating pork because of this. < 1240975613 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the mad cow disease craziness was about, I didn't stop eating raw cow brains *shrugs* < 1240975616 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think "we can't be afraid of what might or might not happen" actually means anything. < 1240975635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because the flu is spread by consuming muscle tissue. Right... < 1240975643 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: Well, in particular because "might" and "might not" are so generic that in fact all events might or might not happen :P < 1240975644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Uh... Eating raw cow brains? < 1240975663 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's meaningless in that it's a patent falsehood. < 1240975664 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't seem like a very good idea regardless. < 1240975675 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But they're soooooooooooo delicious. < 1240975689 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How's PRP comin'? X-P < 1240975703 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the flavor of a raw cow brain? < 1240975714 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's raw cow brain flavored. < 1240975726 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had to describe the flavor in three words, those words would be "raw cow brain". < 1240975739 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How salty, how sweet, how bitter, how sour, how that-fifth-taste-someone-realized-existed? < 1240975742 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I IS LAZY. < 1240975751 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will infect anyone who I see on Twitter claiming you get swine flu from eating pigs < 1240975754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are you serious about eating raw cow brain? < 1240975761 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: Umami. < 1240975771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "someone" is "most of Asia". < 1240975812 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which "someone" is this? < 1240975827 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The someone that realised the existence of umami. < 1240975844 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1240975886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas we were too dumb to realise that meat is (generally) neither salty, sweet, bitter, nor sour. ;p < 1240975941 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...... it's savory. < 1240975945 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey. Scent particles are generally none of those, I believe. < 1240975963 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: "it" being the fifth taste or cow brains? < 1240975972 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both meat and cow brains. < 1240975975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, = umami. < 1240975987 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although cow brains are also a little bit sweet, and have a bitterish after taste sort of like liver. < 1240975990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't ask me why we don't use savory, English is weird as fuck. < 1240976006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'll probably end up being "savory" in another decade, anyways. < 1240976022 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sooo ... "savory" = "umami", and yet we act like its existence was discovered recently? < 1240976034 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish people would stop saying things like "SARS scare" < 1240976039 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science is stubborn. < 1240976050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... We in the west were just too dumb and stubborn to call it a flavor. < 1240976052 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all. < 1240976060 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, how retarded. < 1240976064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1240976076 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since people often make the claim that in general "women prefer sweet and men prefer SAVORY" < 1240976083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(never mind that we've got glutamate receptors on our tongue, it can't be a freaking flavor) < 1240976098 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think I know the English language." "Are you SURE?" < 1240976117 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maybe your ability to speak English comes with no knowledge whatsoever!" < 1240976296 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably "the English language" isn't defined well enough to "know" or "not know" it :P < 1240976515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thi sprak Englisc? < 1240977617 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 200 years that could be English :) < 1240977817 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sneezes and infects the channel with deathflu. < 1240977892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was English about a thousand years ago. ;p < 1240979159 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to advance yer English. < 1240979212 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Articles are closed-class, you say? Nonsense, I say! I just invented one! < 1240979486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1240980747 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240982074 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants a utilikilt. < 1240983277 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1240985523 0 :WangZeDong!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-46-173.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240986343 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240989572 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240991999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1240992000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1240992239 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1240994981 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jaypinkerton.com/2005/02/03/superman-origin-comics/ < 1240995452 0 :Slereah!n=lereah@nanpc319.in2p3.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240997607 0 :tombom!i=tombom@82.31.44.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240998462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : When the mad cow disease craziness was about, I didn't stop eating raw cow brains *shrugs* <-- you ate that before? < 1241001752 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1241003941 0 :WangZeDong!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241003957 0 :WangZeDong!n=butt@92.139.167.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241005094 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241006107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241006178 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241008497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241009277 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1241009363 0 :WangZeDong!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241009377 0 :WangZeDong!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-140-80.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1241012586 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1241013448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1241013501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1241014319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241014431 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1241014711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : When the mad cow disease craziness was about, I didn't stop eating raw cow brains *shrugs* <-- you ate that before? < 1241014723 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet he didn't stop beating his wife, either < 1241014780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that is completely unrelated. And IWC! < 1241014804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__ ___ _ ___ ___ ____ _ _ < 1241014804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ \ / / | | |/ _ \ / _ \/ ___|| | | | < 1241014804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ \ /\ / /| |_| | | | | | | \___ \| |_| | < 1241014804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ V V / | _ | |_| | |_| |___) | _ | < 1241014806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \_/\_/ |_| |_|\___/ \___/|____/|_| |_| < 1241014817 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :International Whaling Commission? < 1241014833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: irregular webcomic < 1241014846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebComic. < 1241014891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the other IWC may be more relevant to foodstuffs. < 1241014943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(giant WHOOSH courtesy of figlet) < 1241015036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, poor captain ponsonby < 1241015041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241015063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouse and everything froze, then screen went black for a few seconds, then back to normal. < 1241015066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from dmesg: < 1241015068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1106272.328198] NVRM: Xid (0001:00): 13, 0002 beef5f01 0000009f 00000308 030000d8 00000010 < 1241015080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone got any clue what might have happened < 1241015113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your monitor has zaphod beeblebrox' glasses < 1241015128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for *WHOOSH* protection, obviously < 1241015149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to start an opengl app so I suspect it is somehow related to graphic card of ndivia drivers rather < 1241015224 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe it's cosmic rays? any supernovas lately? < 1241015279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like Xid with the value of 13 there is nvidia related memory fault/invalid instruction/similar. < 1241015351 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1241015363 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION noted a science reddit recently about a new early warning facility for supernovas in the milky way, and found it amusing how some people in the comments looked forward to the next days... < 1241015459 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was that recent piece of news about the most distant gamma ray burst evar. Maybe your bits were flipped by a star that exploded some 13 short-scale-billion years ago. < 1241015497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan noted a science reddit recently about a new early warning facility for supernovas in the milky way, and found it amusing how some people in the comments looked forward to the next days... <-- looking forward why... < 1241015536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is reproducible with this program < 1241015540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I doubt it. < 1241015557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently no one must have told them that supernovas happen only every 50 years on average, and the last one in our galaxy was seen in 1630 (iirc from wp) < 1241015575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on average in a galaxy our size < 1241015638 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason my brain miscombinated ideas so that it came up with "oh, AnMaster has a reproducible supernova". < 1241015644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241015647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, crazy < 1241015661 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./supernova --galaxy=ours --at=now+1h < 1241015678 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erms, *1604 < 1241015770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that _would_ be scary. *SPOILER* there was one in the recent baby-eating aliens story < 1241015826 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--star-selection=random for the irresponsible folks, --star-selection=populated_worlds_only for the downright evil ones. < 1241015843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used it to do what yudkowsky probably considers saving humanity < 1241015910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this channel _is_ +c... < 1241015938 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :porn < 1241015957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you don't say < 1241015964 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor p < 1241015986 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic porn? now that's scary < 1241016004 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, a woman was sentenced to 9 months of jail in Norway... for a rape < 1241016004 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gödel on Russell action < 1241016022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: rule 34 < 1241016078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: this was big news in poland? you perverts < 1241016125 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, -> digg < 1241016128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION either hasn't read that or considered it nonmemorable < 1241016145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh today's news? < 1241016154 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, quite old actually < 1241016184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1241016193 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but heh, norwegian jails are like 3 star hotels < 1241016201 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they say < 1241016228 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's quite benefoicial to rape a guy by sucking his cock while he's asleep < 1241016242 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then... 9 months of free vacation in 3 star hotel < 1241016263 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think most norwegians consider that a vacation < 1241016273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be very poor for that < 1241016274 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :msut think about doing that < 1241016330 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, everyone is poor compared with you :D < 1241016348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't think you will have internet access even in norway, at least in your room. < 1241016352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cell < 1241016382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some of you here might consider that a deterrent ;D) < 1241016390 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you get something to write code on, though? 9 distraction-free months do not sound too bad. < 1241016394 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i eat bark from trees and drink water from polluted stream < 1241016411 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ride a bicycle made from garbage < 1241016415 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and and and < 1241016443 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use computer stolen from one german guy that went where he shouldn't < 1241016491 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and and and, there are sheep everywhere, but they belong to rich poles < 1241016517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those perverts! < 1241016524 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1241016722 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1,1Testing < 1241016725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1241016800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing < 1241016802 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1241016805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was better < 1241016826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1241016831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1241016847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it would have been better if selecting it actually made the text visible < 1241016891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it impossible to do spoiler hiding with irc colors < 1241016902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing < 1241016906 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a color-filtering channel, certainly. < 1241016921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly, we need spoiler characters in Unicode < 1241016927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INVISIBLE UNLESS SELECTED LATIN A < 1241016928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1241016932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe COMBINING SPOILER < 1241016966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh irssi only reverses background/foreground when selecting < 1241016978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously that won't work for this :( < 1241016984 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is probably your terminal emulator doing it, not irssi. < 1241016993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1241016998 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about tag characters? < 1241017014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :along the same line as right-to-left-override? < 1241017015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might work < 1241017067 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unicode-only mechanism for tagging certain portion of text, for example language identification. < 1241017114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well it's not going to be portable anyway if there isn't a specific tag for it < 1241017116 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the Unicode FAQ: "Should I be using those language tag characters? No. Use of the language tag characters is strongly discouraged." < 1241017119 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only one defined tag type: language tag. e.g. text here < 1241017127 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it has been deprecated < 1241017152 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in favor of html or so < 1241017176 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if there is ... and so on, it might be useful < 1241017203 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see all this Testing stuff < 1241017246 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: well you should have seen only the first one, if your client supported colors < 1241017268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and solid blocks for the others < 1241017287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, you know, the color-filtering mode is on. < 1241017294 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was "1,1Testing" there and so on. < 1241017297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1241017301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1241017320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remembering the flag backwards < 1241017369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean +c should mean _more_ colors, right? grmblgrmbl < 1241017428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stupid irssi which doesn't notice on your own text < 1241017477 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and me only doing this same stupid error at _least_ twice before :D < 1241017520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alzheimer. that must be it. < 1241017557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, oklopolio, which leads to incessant babbling < 1241017578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, where _is_ the guy < 1241018845 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1241018854 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what??* < 1241018866 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241018889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: *what???* < 1241018899 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1241018913 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it'd be bold < 1241018927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hah* < 1241018945 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since _underlined_ is underlined < 1241018950 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oh* < 1241018963 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, no ? allowed inside < 1241018990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. also, we both use irssi, i don't know how portable this is < 1241019219 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi ftw < 1241019368 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hah* < 1241019375 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1241019826 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaiz < 1241019843 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is wrong with this expression : < 1241019851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: it's only a single colon < 1241019860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't a valid expression in most languages < 1241019876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1241019884 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F[Floor[RandomInteger[BinomialDistribution[Nu, p]]*k/Nu]] < 1241019884 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set::setps: Particules[[71]] in the part assignment is not a symbol. \ < 1241019884 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> < 1241019884 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :List < 1241019901 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particules := Table[{0; En/k*i}, {i, 0, k}] < 1241019901 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F[x_] := Particules[[x]][[0]]++ < 1241019964 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Lists indices start from 1 < 1241019983 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1241019989 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one thing, anyway < 1241019993 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1241020010 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[0]] gives you the head of the expression, namely List < 1241020031 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: And what's that {0: En/k*i} < 1241020045 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, that 0; < 1241020068 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaa list? < 1241020082 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit, did I use a colon? < 1241020089 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: You used a semicolon. Did you want a comma? < 1241020094 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking qwerty keyboard < 1241020106 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{0; En/k*i} is equivalent to {En/k*i} < 1241020114 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since ; is like C's comma operator < 1241020131 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or like C's ;, I guess :-P < 1241020232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://dickensurl.com/1b34/It%E2%80%99s_my_old_girl_that_advises._She_has_the_head._But_I_never_own_to_it_before_her._Discipline_must_be_maintained. < 1241020247 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beyond that it looks good to me, if something else is messed up it's probably because of Nu/En/k which you didn't give < 1241020259 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still Set::setps: Particules[[69]] in the part assignment is not a symbol. \ < 1241020259 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> < 1241020351 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Owair < 1241020359 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, Particules[[x]][[1]]++ can't work < 1241020363 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is that link supposed to be non-broken? < 1241020368 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Yeah, I was wondering about that myself. < 1241020370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes < 1241020384 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah, my auto-linkifier missed the period at the end. < 1241020400 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you return the list incremented at x? < 1241020416 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to return Particules[[x]]? < 1241020422 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use that semicolon :-P < 1241020432 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1241020451 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particules[[x]][[1]]++; Particules[[x]] ? < 1241020454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric : < 1241020464 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It still misses it, FWIW. :-) < 1241020465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh, even with the angle brackets my autolinkifier gets it wrong too < 1241020474 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does ; do in said case? < 1241020507 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Like ; or , in most other languages. Executes the first part then returns the second. < 1241020509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i guess this channel was never meant for fine art < 1241020517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly < 1241020532 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work, though < 1241020532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should vary the target URL slightly < 1241020546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even then, though, it's likely to have a final full stop < 1241020675 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language are you using there < 1241020683 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Hmm, I think some pass-by-ref stuff has to be done for F < 1241020685 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tombom: Mathematica. < 1241020694 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1241020697 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: It works standalone, just not in a function. < 1241020775 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Can't you just program functionally, like you're meant to? :-P < 1241020796 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bees at work < 1241020803 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have no scheme here < 1241020811 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica is functional < 1241020824 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write that so that you don't try to modify the original < 1241020827 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it doesn't actually work as standalone < 1241020833 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it does < 1241020845 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[9]:= xs={{1,2},{3,4}}; xs[[1]][[1]]++; xs[[1]] < 1241020845 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[9]= {2, 2} < 1241020916 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[40]:= Particles; Particles[[1]][[1]]++; Particles < 1241020916 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :During evaluation of In[40]:= Part::partd: Part specification \ < 1241020916 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particles[[1]] is longer than depth of object. >> < 1241020916 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :During evaluation of In[40]:= Set::setps: Particles[[1]] in the part \ < 1241020916 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assignment is not a symbol. >> < 1241020917 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[40]= Particles < 1241020942 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Particules, not Particles? < 1241020953 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes < 1241020954 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the language? < 1241020958 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particules gives Set::setps: Particules[[1]] in the part assignment is not a symbol. >> < 1241020958 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Mathematica. < 1241020996 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241020996 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shrug, it works for me at toplevel scope. < 1241021016 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean lean blatmachine by stephen wolfram ? < 1241021019 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloat* < 1241021030 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1241021087 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfg < 1241021088 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I don't know. Just code it non-imperatively :-P < 1241021094 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i smell like beer < 1241021118 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it's good for your hair! < 1241021170 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rally? cool < 1241021174 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's imperative to be objective about your functional programming < 1241021174 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me take another one < 1241021194 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really* < 1241021232 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, the keyboard is weird < 1241021315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:19 Sgeo: What's it like to know that your simple decision has killed hundrens, and might kill millions? < 1241021315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't exactly fault the husband here < 1241021316 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an odd match < 1241021318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:27 lifthrasiir: ehird: i was sleeping... sorry for too late answer. what was the question? < 1241021324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: how do you handle exact bounds / wrapping? < 1241021331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1241021335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, question: where does OS X store it's font files. < 1241021345 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: counting non-whitespace cells in each lines and columns, and so on. < 1241021347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere in /System I guess. < 1241021351 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably in OSX hell < 1241021354 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe same with AnMaster's algorithm, iirc. < 1241021358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: /Library/Fonts, ~/Library/Fonts < 1241021364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah thanks < 1241021374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to convert a .dfont use fondu < 1241021378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: what license is pyfunge again? :) < 1241021387 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT. < 1241021402 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pyfunge? < 1241021407 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many funges are there? < 1241021417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I know. < 1241021435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: implementations < 1241021437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but there are some in /System/Library/Fonts too < 1241021442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as many < 1241021443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1241021444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's as may be. < 1241021454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: yay, I can wantonly steal code from it! ;-) < 1241021458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, at least, could if I knew where it was. < 1241021460 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s[x_] := x + 1 < 1241021460 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F[x_] := MapAt[s, Particules, x] < 1241021463 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1241021468 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe an iFunge for iPhone? < 1241021469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :particulars < 1241021470 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't go wrong with the successor function* < 1241021471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah it seems to be core GUI fonts, for menus and such < 1241021471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're using OSX? < 1241021473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1241021476 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ;) < 1241021480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: seems likely < 1241021494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't think about it, i think your/my brain might overheat < 1241021499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Well I'm trying to solve some bugs with an OS X system. And I was going to copy some nice fonts while I was at it. < 1241021507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the issue in question seems LDAP related. < 1241021507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1241021510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: this in combination with your comments about Windows 7 is really quite worrying < 1241021519 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain overheats all the time i'm using mac < 1241021537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yep, Macs use psychic cooling < 1241021539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys I'm going to work for Microsoft, AnMaster's working on OS X 10.7's hardware-lockdown code < 1241021545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, basically: waking up from sleep or logging in takes several minutes. System logs show lots of LDAP related errors. < 1241021551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're being paid millions < 1241021555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fans would be too noisy, so instead they channel excess heat into the user's brain < 1241021555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: How odd. < 1241021558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What did the user do? < 1241021565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say they didn't do something, they did :P < 1241021566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it drives them slightly mad, it's how the reality distortion field works < 1241021577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the account is *supposed* to sync to work place sync server. < 1241021581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Subject: Cease and desist < 1241021586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Ais 523, < 1241021587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, except it doesn't. Due to failing to connect. < 1241021593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are revealing Apple patented trade secrets. < 1241021601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We must demand you cease immediately. < 1241021602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, any idea where I can look up exact meaning of error codes for apple system daemons < 1241021602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And desist. < 1241021603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Love, < 1241021606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple Lawyers < 1241021613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: paste the error? < 1241021617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is from Console.app, right? < 1241021629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/Applications/Utilities/Consol < 1241021629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1241021631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the error is found using the system log viewer thingy. < 1241021634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1241021637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the OS X is localized < 1241021638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show it? < 1241021640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1241021641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so names doesn't match < 1241021650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah, paste the error < 1241021653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the error is in English, let me find a way to transfer it < 1241021658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Cmd-C < 1241021669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Cmd-V in a pastebin < 1241021678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, mag-heut has a massive barrier to entry < 1241021678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right... < 1241021678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what version is this? < 1241021681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.4 or 10.5 < 1241021684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 10.4 < 1241021686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAA! < 1241021692 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa < 1241021693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.4's netinfo/ldap stuff drives me crazy < 1241021698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: eh? < 1241021705 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck < 1241021705 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be even more fucked up than 10.5 < 1241021709 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran out of Mathematica < 1241021720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: you're using a trial at work? < 1241021721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1241021724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to manually type it in < 1241021728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why? < 1241021730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a pastebin < 1241021731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to register, you have to a) register via a CAPTCHA-based web form b) simultaneously, or close to it, email the admin c) reply to the activation email with actual sentences, not just a few words d) once you've passed that human-based Turing Test, you still have to post something ontopic within 24 hours < 1241021731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the url... < 1241021734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241021745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D < 1241021749 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You only get some licence per day, IIRC < 1241021756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lots of repeated: http://pastebin.ca/1407412 < 1241021759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: WAT < 1241021763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exact same message about 200 times < 1241021767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, that board is IPB 1.1.2 < 1241021767 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fuck that shit nigger, I'll finish it at home < 1241021768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it allows login anyway < 1241021770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1241021770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing's really ancient < 1241021775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oldest i've seen in the wild is 1.3 < 1241021784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.1.2 was when IPB was free, IIRC < 1241021793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had its source from the internet archive a while back < 1241021795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I tried google without much luck other than recommending re-configuring the ldap setup < 1241021798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which didn't help. < 1241021802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm < 1241021809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be useful to know what the error code meant. < 1241021810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why not just change settings at random? < 1241021821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, it'll start working then if you change things for long enough < 1241021836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Open terminal, "man DirectoryService | grep 14002" < 1241021841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, if there's a finite number of settings, each with finitely many entries < 1241021846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right < 1241021846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me what the error name is < 1241021850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait < 1241021850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : eDSOpenNodeFailed = -14002 < 1241021855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is the server down? < 1241021868 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1241021879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of Windows at the University, if the server's down it freezes for 8 minutes at login < 1241021883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hrrm... I don't *think* so. but I guess it is possible it is related to the network. < 1241021883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't really ideal for lectures < 1241021885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1241021886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, mpx3.virginska.orebro.se uses mac os x server < 1241021893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://mpx3.virginska.orebro.se/ has a stock index.html < 1241021899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that right? < 1241021901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask $user < 1241021915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't think $user knows. < 1241021927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes it seems wrong < 1241021929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err why is $user syncing to a server he doesn't know < 1241021942 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : Know what's worse? < 1241021949 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The licence is shared by everyone < 1241021962 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if someone wastes it, no Mathematica for you < 1241022008 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1241022009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because workplace set it up. And the mac support guy stopped working there so no one know how to fix anything any more. $user asked me to check out why computer was so slow at login and wake up from sleep and I traced it down to this LDAP issue. < 1241022014 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os x as a server < 1241022022 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've got balls of steel < 1241022023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reason $user asked me was she knows I'm geeky. < 1241022029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it's just unix/apache < 1241022033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some gui tools < 1241022041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple's server hardware is pretty nice, so. < 1241022048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm. < 1241022055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, this syncing isn't happening, right? < 1241022061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody's yelling from the rooftops? < 1241022063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just reomve it < 1241022064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*remov < 1241022065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1241022067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes about as much sense as running a Darwin server, which makes almost as much sense as running a FreeBSD server < 1241022073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: probably that'll annoy $workplace < 1241022086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually it seems to happen just now. It said "refreshed credentials from LDAPv3 server" in the log. < 1241022090 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're from orebro? < 1241022092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just half a minute ago. < 1241022116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if it wasn't syncing it can't annoy them any more < 1241022126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, Something like that yes. Or close to. < 1241022130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be if it would have started syncing again later < 1241022138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, however sleep still makes it lock up. < 1241022154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it *did* just sync < 1241022160 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: been there, and near < 1241022162 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241022172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm. < 1241022187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yay, bogons accept migration authority codes < 1241022192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their script just doesn't recognize it on our line :D < 1241022253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I already considered bad wlan (there are around 8 reachable networks here...) But connecting it by ethernet doesn't help. < 1241022265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: scrap all ldap config, reconfigure? < 1241022278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't copy/paste a password look for a .plist in ~/Library, it'll be in plaintext < 1241022286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tried that before I first mentioned it in channel. I don't have access to server side. < 1241022298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean on the client < 1241022298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, except it isn't set up to use either ssl or auth. :( < 1241022303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(awful) < 1241022315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it synced. Hm. < 1241022325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(... it seems my ISP is "LLU'd" < 1241022326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that is. < 1241022328 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: IPB 1.3 was free < 1241022332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :local loop unbundling, go fig < 1241022334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you sure? < 1241022342 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Quite. < 1241022365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet archive shall settl this raging dispute < 1241022384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know what local loop unbundling is? < 1241022387 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invision_Power_Board < 1241022392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it synched, without SSL or any authentication? < 1241022393 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The last free full version is Invision Power Board 1.3.1, which is not as widespread as 1.3 because of the short available time before 2.0 replaced it." < 1241022399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes... < 1241022402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be fun synching it from somewhere else for fun < 1241022405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One Year License · $69.95 < 1241022405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will give you one year license to use Invision Power Board for one installation on all current and future versions. Selecting this option will also give you discounts on many of the extras for Invision Power Board. At the end of one year your board will continue to run but will be unsupported unless you renew service. More Information... < 1241022410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 2004 < 1241022414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess 2 was out by then < 1241022414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the catalog manager thingy app in Tool Apps (%¤#%&¤ l10n) says contacts are set up to sync too. Address book thing time... < 1241022416 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: See above. < 1241022428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Tool Apps = Utilities < 1241022434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost $70? for a board? < 1241022435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what do the icons look like < 1241022438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be more helpful < 1241022440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the software < 1241022444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241022449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IPB is targeted at enterprise lackeys :) < 1241022452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Like a map, With a compass on. < 1241022452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1241022453 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_loop_unbundling < 1241022454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and businesses < 1241022458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why it was so expensive < 1241022459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't used to, but us now < 1241022464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the University just use phpBB < 1241022466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: vbulletin is more expensive < 1241022467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they need one < 1241022475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is awful, but I suppose cheap and good enough < 1241022481 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most boring area of sweden < 1241022488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: vbulletin is $100/year < 1241022494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, I disagree. < 1241022505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$180 for indefinite, though, so I don't know why people would buy a one year license < 1241022518 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: proove it < 1241022525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: directory utility < 1241022534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, my email's back up < 1241022537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I mean remove all syncing then put it back < 1241022575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I turned off all that. And removed the ldap server from the auth search path. That did temporarily solve the speed issue. < 1241022586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with login and wakeup < 1241022590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course made errors go away. < 1241022591 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1241022595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Problem exists between server and server imo :-P < 1241022604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I suspect this is on server side... < 1241022645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm different errors in the log now Let me pastebin again. < 1241022672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you can't figure it out I can connect via vnc and take a look < 1241022676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OS X comes with a vnc server) < 1241022679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1241022685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& client < 1241022770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://pastebin.ca/Ha1Dr-fT (pass: blah) < 1241022781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reason for pass is I wanted to try that feature) < 1241022789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah that totally seems like a server issue < 1241022795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can try and fix it if you want :P < 1241022795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1241022809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Reason for that is I want to try OS X's vnc :-P) < 1241022822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nah. I'll tell $user what to tell the incompetent admins at $workplace instead :P < 1241022837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os x's dev tools come with such weird things < 1241022840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wouldn't trust you with that access. < 1241022847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, such as? < 1241022855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apps that look like they were ported from mac os classic that let you tweak internal cpu registers and shit < 1241022865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one, right. < 1241022869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reggie se < 1241022880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it had a different name on classic < 1241022882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1241022885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1241022892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do remember an app like it < 1241022934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also comes with a few apps that are basically complete commercial quality stuff < 1241022945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like quartz composer (max/msp for graphics) and au lab < 1241022950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird < 1241022955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a load of bric-a-brac < 1241022970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quoth CHUD Remover.app: < 1241022970 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1241022977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are about to remove any and all CHUD files from your system. < 1241022979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How helpful. < 1241023040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1241023065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this macbook has not AltGr I just noticed. And I need to write a key that needs it on Swedish keyboards. < 1241023068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ to be specific. < 1241023073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how. < 1241023076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Use option. < 1241023078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or shit < 1241023080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift < 1241023083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or option-shift < 1241023086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gl < 1241023092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are about to remove any and all CHUD files from your system. No, this isn't a chance for you to change your mind, this is just a prediction." < 1241023092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241023097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D < 1241023113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHUD... what was it < 1241023116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1241023117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241023119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name sounds familiar. < 1241023127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like oprofile wasn't it? < 1241023139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer Hardware Understanding Development Tools < 1241023139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A set of software tools, collectively Computer Hardware Understanding Development Tools (CHUD Tools) measure software performance on Mac OS X, to aid in optimizing. Also provides hardware system benchmarks < 1241023201 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1241023323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this macbook keyboard is horribly small to type on. < 1241023327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO. < 1241023331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what model is it? < 1241023334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well tiger, I suppose 2006 < 1241023335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13"? < 1241023335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1241023345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's gonna be a bit cramped. < 1241023345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a ruler handy < 1241023353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know how to find out from inside os x < 1241023365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: system preferences → display → examine resolution :-P < 1241023393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"display" was translated to "monitors" (in plural yes) < 1241023396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1241023403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1241023404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's displays < 1241023405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1280x800 < 1241023418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 13" < 1241023421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1241023455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first item in apple menu says "2.16 GHz Core 2 Duo" btw < 1241023468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: stop making me feel inferior, that's the speed of mine :D < 1241023478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1241023514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh seems user have used both firefox 3 and firefox 2 at once. I wonder what that did to the profile folder... < 1241023541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aa! firefox on mac? < 1241023547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my unintegration senses are tingling < 1241023595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Chipset Model: ATY,RadeonX1600 ← I really wanna know why s/I/Y/ < 1241023602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes. User said "Lotus Dommino Web Access" (used at work) had issues in safari so she switched to firefox. It also had issues in firefox3... so she had to go to firefox2 when she needed to use it. < 1241023609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go figure. < 1241023619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1241023628 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://support.apple.com/kb/TA26745 < 1241023654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's not very helpful, I want to know why ATI did it < 1241023663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is because ATI chose to identify themselves as ATY in the ROM." < 1241023665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1241023666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1241023680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess Ys are cheaper :-) < 1241023688 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATI's stock symbol was ATYT < 1241023698 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ATY < 1241023704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241023714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Array TechnologY ... Todo? < 1241023723 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably ATI was taken? < 1241023734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow user has a thunderbird "in" mailbox that is over 500 MB after selecting to compress the mail box (which took several minutes) < 1241023739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, it's ATI Technologies and ATI stands for Array Technologies Incorporated < 1241023742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Array Technologies Incorporated Technologies < 1241023750 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Mine is over a gig, I think < 1241023759 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that's mail+news < 1241023762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, huh. You don't move it to other directories? < 1241023766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mine's 794MB < 1241023768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but keep all in the inbox < 1241023770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1241023778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no directories, but I do have labels :-P < 1241023785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well in thunderbird I meant. < 1241023788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similiar < 1241023796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmail works differently of course < 1241023797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my inbox is about 2k messages < 1241023799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agora is about 10k < 1241023804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b is uh 3k? < 1241023809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomicron is just a few hundred < 1241023813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so agora+b will be the bulk < 1241023817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo attachments in the inbox < 1241023821 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I used to not, but I do now so maybe it's smaller < 1241023832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have two mails in my inbox atm, the rest is in various relevant directories. < 1241023847 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inbox weighs in at 116M < 1241023856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I assume you delete messages you're done iwth < 1241023858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with < 1241023872 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inbox's subdirectories are 30M < 1241023896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I delete spam and old svn/cvs/whatever commit mailing list mails. But I keep all other, organized in a directory structure. < 1241023920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're obsessive compulsive with hierarchy because you don't have a good mail search engine < 1241023921 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The only thing I know is that I know nothing" < 1241023922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it < 1241023938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, I do have a good handling system. filters for mailing lists. < 1241023944 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, news take 1336M < 1241023956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :97% of the mail I get is from mailing lists. < 1241023965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so if you're in 500 irc channels, how many tens of thousands of mailing lists < 1241023969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, 97% of non-spam < 1241023987 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I prefer hierarchical sorting to searching < 1241023988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, less than 1000. Just 7 mailing lists. < 1241023997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Experience unmatched 3D gaming performance designed and fine tuned for ultimate entertainment. Crank up the settings and get ready to frag like you’ve never fragged before. Prepare to DOMINATE!" < 1241023999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol@ati marketing < 1241024000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I really don't like mail < 1241024013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that would play rather badly with a defragmenter < 1241024017 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241024020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wat? < 1241024034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: bad pun < 1241024038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241024039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frag. < 1241024040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. < 1241024152 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas for what DIRF should do when rerunning them due to TRDS? < 1241024154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about defragmenter... < 1241024161 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+instructions < 1241024173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about HFS+. I remember it got very fragmented pre-OS X < 1241024184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB0JodKgZ0A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgame%2Eamd%2Ecom%2Fus%2Den%2Funlock%5Fphenomiiblack%2Easpx&feature=player_embedded < 1241024195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which we overclock a cpu to 6.5ghz and have to run it at near absolute zero < 1241024198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bad I have a copy of "Norton Utilities" that includes a defragenter... Somewhere. < 1241024199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because we are batshit insane < 1241024199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241024211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for classic mac os < 1241024251 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol@ita marketing? < 1241024255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comment: < 1241024256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i hope you intel fanboys are embarresed amd just beat intels ass in overclocking and in 3d mark by alot i hope to see more than 8+ghz in the future from amd but hey man amd is getting back on it`s feet and starting to beat intel once again and the day amd owner kicks the intel owners ass will come " < 1241024271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amd are better than intel because if you run amd processors at absolute zero they can have higher ghz < 1241024278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stunning intelligence of youtube! < 1241024280 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't read youtube comments < 1241024282 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They rot the brain < 1241024289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but in the most hilarious way possible < 1241024311 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I usually get headaches < 1241024325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but they're funny headaches < 1241024335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Agreed. If we are going to argue about Intel and AMD lets at least do it with proper grammar. Technical relevance is an extra bonus. < 1241024336 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not really :-P < 1241024337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1241024359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't YOU have a liquid nitrogen/helium cooling set up at home and a wanton attitude to expensive hardware? < 1241024360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft < 1241024368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not a real enthusiast! < 1241024372 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No ideas for DIRF? < 1241024386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: wuz dirf < 1241024393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hope to see the 7ghz barrier gone soon." < 1241024395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god you morons < 1241024403 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :// 0x44495246: DIRF < 1241024405 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :// Directory functions extension < 1241024414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll be arguing for 7ghz when we're running 5 billion core computers @ 3ghz < 1241024417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ^. < 1241024421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: kay < 1241024453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm I have one of those bluetooth apple mice here. Two buttons but none visible on top. And a ball instead of a wheel. Now I just noticed that unlike most optical mice it doesn't seem to have led to light the surface. just tested by lifting it up and holding it a few mm above the surface and looking in between. < 1241024458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea how it works. < 1241024463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's a mighty mouse < 1241024469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's a different tracker technology < 1241024472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right. Didn't remember the name. < 1241024473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wired one uses regular optical stuff < 1241024479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is the tracker technology. < 1241024489 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do LVM snapshots after each DIRF operation so you can time-travel better. < 1241024491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im looking it up < 1241024498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, augh < 1241024501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: laser tracking < 1241024506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to the wired's optical trackng < 1241024511 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not even keeping track of what came out of stdin, so no. < 1241024521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so shouldn't one see a small dot from the laser on the surface? < 1241024533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I misunderstanding something < 1241024533 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You should also do snapshots of the user's mental state. And then rewrite it when TRDSing around. < 1241024540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you do < 1241024542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1241024543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't < 1241024544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1241024546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look above the power switch < 1241024549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that green light is the laser, I think < 1241024559 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't need to, TRDS affects the user's mental state heavily all by itself. < 1241024566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no it is the "power is on" light I think < 1241024572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both, I think. < 1241024575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it changes blinking pattern when out of range < 1241024580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm k < 1241024583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and the two buttons are touch-sensitive < 1241024586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one button < 1241024592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you have to lift your left finger off to right click :\ < 1241024593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sux < 1241024610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1241024620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the "laser mice" use infrared laser diodes. At least that's what infallopedia says. < 1241024627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wheel is nice for moving around big images < 1241024632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't see any surface on it that would work as touch sensitive < 1241024641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would explain why I can't right click! < 1241024645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: :-D < 1241024651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a few tries < 1241024664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the mouse is too small too. < 1241024666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my hand. < 1241024682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gawd, how big are you? do you go "fe fi fo fum"? :-D < 1241024700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, that is one thing Microsoft managed. Good mice. Microsoft intellimouse, usb. < 1241024712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haaaaaaaaate ergonomic mice < 1241024732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just like a little dip on the sides and a curved surface Like God Intended. < 1241024740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err what. It isn't that much ergonomic. Since it is a variant that works for both left and right hand < 1241024740 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This logitech I-forget-the-model-already is laser-based; although it always annoys me a bit when they compare it to "optical mice", given that's it's really not very non-optical, they've just changed the light source. < 1241024742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also low scrollwheel since I rest on it :P < 1241024744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I tend to switch a lot. < 1241024748 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there could be some testing bias there. say, if all the < infrared diodes killed the testers < 1241024759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, high scroll wheel :) < 1241024760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice < 1241024767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not if you rest your finger on it < 1241024770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to switching to it < 1241024781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then you get issues with your hands. < 1241024783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the bending < 1241024785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well 3 fingers on top of the mouse does work, but it is cramped. < 1241024817 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I don't think there's any rule saying that a laser light needs to be a tightly focused beam that would form a dot; from what I've read, the point just seems to be that you get interference effects (== better surface-tracking) whenever you have coherent light coming out. < 1241024818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol on that 6.5ghz they used ddr2 memory < 1241024841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly < 1241024850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241024865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO they should use FB-RAM < 1241024870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fully buffered) < 1241024894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it seems like that went out of fashion currently. < 1241024898 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a rather gruesome eye safety instructions text about laser-related experiments in the physics lab course manuals. It was all "this wavelength laser won't cause eye reflexes to happen so it'll cook your eyeball, whether this one just burns your retina so fast you won't have time to blink". < 1241024902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what advantages? < 1241024917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "whereas", I assume < 1241024928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fully_Buffered_DIMM < 1241024933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: AnMaster is actually a mountain in Skåne < 1241024953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's the advantage over ddr3 < 1241024959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2007 Intel Developer Forum, it was revealed that major memory manufacturers have no plans to extend FB-DIMM to support DDR3 SDRAM. Instead, only registered DIMM for DDR3 SDRAM had been demonstrated.[15] < 1241024959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241024961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tl;da < 1241024972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't ambrosia? < 1241024976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer < 1241024978 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an Intellimouse 3.0 which indeed was a good mouse, at least up to the point it developed a serious double-clicking-all-the-time syndrome (after years of use). < 1241025013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also you could combine it with ddr3 as far as I remember. < 1241025031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it comes to the speed bit and such < 1241025034 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Safe-ASCII-Love.aspx < 1241025095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: O_O < 1241025097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200904/dh.gif < 1241025100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the embarrasment! < 1241025111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OBSCURE REFERENCE BUDDIES *HI5* < 1241025129 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The color of the optical mouse's light-emitting diodes varies with each model. -- Some models' diodes even change color, cycling through colors of the rainbow for instance." Wow, that's... flashy. < 1241025137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :-D < 1241025153 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: regarding TRDS, i think that argument to chdir should be stored somewhere; mkdir and rmdir should be no-op or reflect according to its original result. (i'm not good at TRDS however) < 1241025183 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The red light in the Intellimouse was really really bright; a lot brighter than some later visible-spectrum optical mouse. < 1241025184 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: In theory yes, if you want to be accurate < 1241025190 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I don't :-P < 1241025194 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1241025194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1241025272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Backlit keyboard (British) & User's Guide (French)" — Apple store configuration option < 1241025279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All my british keyboard manuals are in french. < 1241025282 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm considering this strategy: tag every command with unsafe flag (and by default every command is unsafe); safe command is safe to execute of course. < 1241025324 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when re-executing unsafe commands it doesn't execute them at all, it just replays recorded Funge space changes and IP/delta changes, and so on. < 1241025337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well obviously the french need the instructions more, seeing as they aren't used to the keyboard < 1241025344 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was always scared to look at optical mice because I thought they used lasers :/ < 1241025362 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except some actually do < 1241025364 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though as i stated above this strategy is not compliant to spec. i'm not sure.) < 1241025391 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: If you record all the changes then that should work, yes. < 1241025411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares into optical mice < 1241025416 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and python is enough reflective to do this. :p < 1241025418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just try and fuckin' burn my iris! :| < 1241025429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1241025430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retina. < 1241025442 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches ehird get both scarred and scared. < 1241025446 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is reflective enough to burn my retina if I use a laser mouse with it < 1241025504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway you know what fb-ram is now right? < 1241025510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1241025522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why it was scrapped? < 1241025534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1241025558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Intel management messup as far as I remember when I learnt about it about a year ago. < 1241025558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FB-DIMMs absolutely kill memory latency" < 1241025560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— anandtech < 1241025585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is not correct. < 1241025592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell that to the figures. < 1241025609 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they decrease memory latency? < 1241025622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increase. :P < 1241025636 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not killing latency :< < 1241025644 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Incidentally, I tested that Logitech Whatever Illuminated Keyboard while picking up other things; it felt scissor-switchey and reasonably pleasant to write on (although all this stuff is so user-centric), although the layout was a bit strange. At least in the fi keyboard layout the backspace wasn't completely tiny; about twice the width of a normal key, maybe a bit smaller than what's common in keyboards around here (which seems to be about the width o < 1241025644 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f two adjacent keys, including the gap between them). < 1241025646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kills comex < 1241025649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's now more of you < 1241025668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hokaydokey < 1241025676 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, I'm not awfully pleased with my apple keyboard < 1241025679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you see that auroraarara thing brushed aluminium-looking one? < 1241025686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ffs, try to keep within one line. the effect of doing what you just did is tl;dr < 1241025689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looked quite nice < 1241025695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fu, I read it < 1241025697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was directed at me < 1241025700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was helpful < 1241025732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes your way of lots of linebreaks is more annoying ;P < 1241025739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do it < 1241025741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for < 1241025741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1241025888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/election97/frameset.htm ← HOLY FUCK RETRO < 1241025955 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get early warning when I'm going out. But it seems I wouldn't be very twittur-compatible. < 1241025981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew, the main isp traffic exchange thing in the uk welcomed the pirate bay verdict < 1241025984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go fuck yourselves < 1241025996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harumph < 1241026000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. < 1241026003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: where's the pyfunge src? < 1241026032 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do hg clone http://hg.mearie.org/pyfunge-0.5/ . < 1241026056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241026072 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think there is PyPI package too: http://packages.python.org/PyFunge/ maybe. < 1241026087 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that should be http://pypi.python.org/pypi/PyFunge/ < 1241026087 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Quazie < 1241026100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quazie: THE TRUTH IS OUT < 1241026115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, quasi-out < 1241026136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: do you shrink bounds as well as grow? < 1241026140 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1241026149 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it correctly handles exact bounds. < 1241026157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1241026162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: but you only store minimum bounds for the whole space? < 1241026168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not per-line/col or whatever < 1241026214 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... in fact, it doesn't shrink bounds normally, it just update the information necessary to calculate correct bounds (i.e. that per-line/col things) < 1241026224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1241026230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code looks computationally expensive. < 1241026231 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it shrinks bounds only if requested, e.g. by y < 1241026267 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is always a room for improvement, but i have no time to do it atm < 1241026306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I pretty much want to optimize for wrapping and exactness < 1241026321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :num-of-non-space cells can be calculated at y time < 1241026370 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can possible if right data structure is used. i don't think current one, dict from coordinate to non-space cells, cannot. < 1241026376 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can* < 1241026405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1241026411 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241026432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this along with the stack overflow in Data.Map is currently blocking hypha :-( < 1241026484 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not really important :-P < 1241026543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: err < 1241026545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't parse mycology < 1241026549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats pretty fuckin important :|| < 1241026551 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is < 1241026555 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not your "this" < 1241026561 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, exact bounds. < 1241026570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a correct fungespace :< But kay, I'll make them inexact for now < 1241026612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 17:36 edwardk: ehird: but Data.Map is strict except for he value < 1241026639 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Like I said yesterday, I suspect it's your code's fault. < 1241026647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1241026649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stripping it down < 1241026655 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, you're lazily loading funge space? < 1241026658 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Are you forcing the map between inserts? < 1241026659 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or plans to do so?) < 1241026662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: also, isn't insertWith' just Map.insert !$ or $! or w/e < 1241026664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: no no no < 1241026668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to make it all strict < 1241026669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1241026686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: although you could still get a stack overflow just from the map if you are only looking at it after a heap of changes < 1241026709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so i think < 1241026753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, one good thing about mac hardware though. Almost silent. < 1241026763 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: With const, it actually probably is. < 1241026767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though laptops tend to be quieter so don't know how significant it is. < 1241026792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. < 1241026843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/8gbhq/actually_facebook_no_no_i_didnt/c0974oj ← wow privatefreedom is an idiot < 1241026851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah I think the issue is partly due to wlan. It is slow with ethernet now. But not nearly as slow. < 1241026858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an1m < 1241026860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it doesn't seem to connect to the wlan before login. < 1241026862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mm < 1241026887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is due to needing to unlock the keychain first. < 1241026891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is done at login? < 1241026894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1241026903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat :: [Input] -> [Output] < 1241026903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat xs = GetChar : (let (GetCharR c : xs') = xs in PutChar c : cat xs') < 1241026904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ stream based IO is awesome (this will scare oerjan) < 1241026937 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly < 1241026956 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as type safe as monads though < 1241027033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yar < 1241027060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also no EOF handling i assume < 1241027064 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: My guess is you're building up a thunkpile of Map.inserts which is what overflows your stack < 1241027071 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241027089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah. < 1241027094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas as to a solution? < 1241027136 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Don't build up a thunkpile like that? < 1241027145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No shit sherlock < 1241027145 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seq, bang patterns, whatever < 1241027165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when waking up from sleep (system logs): http://pastebin.ca/1407508 < 1241027168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a bit strange < 1241027172 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Given that you're using crap like {-# UNPACK #-} I figured you'd know how to force a thunk < 1241027175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean for the wireless network sure, but for lo? < 1241027177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I do know < 1241027205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "mDNSResponder: Repeated transitions for interface lo0 (127.0.0.1); delaying packets by 5 seconds" seems like a very odd error to me. < 1241027216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: So do it? < 1241027231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Kay. < 1241027251 0 :Dewi!n=dewi@203-214-107-238.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1241027414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EFI is an average/cheap mobo maker at best (not to say unreliable, just average in function, and performance). They are no DFI, or ASUS, not even close." < 1241027415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL WAT < 1241027544 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200904/mandelbrot.xml < 1241027565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hot. < 1241027578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where was that idiot quote from < 1241027587 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2816&cp=2 < 1241027600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: comments of the article dissing fb-ram < 1241027626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200904/mandelbrot.xml is just some unicode stuff with #FFF and such after? < 1241027626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1241027639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: get a decent browser < 1241027645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, firefox 3 < 1241027648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1241027650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me test in safari < 1241027654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it know what xslt is? < 1241027658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure ff3 does xslt. < 1241027664 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.1b3 does < 1241027666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it does < 1241027772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah it needs javascript... < 1241027778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..................... < 1241027780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems odd for xslt < 1241027784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1241027794 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't < 1241027798 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NoScript just blocks XSLT < 1241027810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. NoScript the suck. < 1241027825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, any reason why < 1241027827 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does that make it the suck? < 1241027834 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.164.109.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241027844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what Deewiant said < 1241027844 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"+ XSLT stylesheets are regarded as active content and blocked by < 1241027844 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : default on untrusted documents and/or from untrusted origins < 1241027858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok makes sense. < 1241027973 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance that Firefox crasher a month back would be blocked by NoScript. < 1241028467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the hard thing about implementing that streamio is, um, implementing it :D < 1241028497 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh < 1241028546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> run cat < 1241028546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[GetChar,PutChar hello < 1241028547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'h',GetChar,PutChar h'e',GetChar,PutChar e'l',GetChar,PutChar l'l',GetChar,PutChar l'o',GetChar,PutChar o'\n',GetChar,PutChar < 1241028550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting there < 1241028559 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1241028571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: crazy scary old haskell IO system implemented in modern haskell < 1241028577 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1241028611 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Did you get your Befunge parser working? < 1241028631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Are you teasing me :P < 1241028642 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm asking if you even tried :-P < 1241028647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am thinking. < 1241028650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About it. < 1241028655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I code in spurts. < 1241028659 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1241028667 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly seems that way < 1241028718 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still i think befunge can be written as a linear program with jumps < 1241028734 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a befunge-to-unefunge compiler < 1241028825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/2Dqu.png < 1241028893 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever. < 1241028913 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started from "lastly" < 1241028924 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it wrong, too. :/ < 1241028932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went first → lastly → then < 1241028934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since lastly was biggar < 1241029095 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1241029113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I've ripped out all bounds code to start again < 1241029145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What's the most hugest befunge file existing? < 1241029151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, any big text file would be appreciated < 1241029207 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: mycology.b98 < 1241029224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, isn't fungot larger < 1241029225 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ' that wouldn't be very nice, i'm fnord this is always done however fnord fnord: fnord those that have feathers, and bite, and those that have feathers, and bite, and those that have whiskers, and scratch. < 1241029226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1241029227 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want big files I'm sure you can find some on your own < 1241029231 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not hardly, I don't think < 1241029232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1241029232 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt < 1241029241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is tiny < 1241029241 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even close by the looks of it < 1241029242 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ' the question is, what is the best way out of the difficulty is to place a red counter. < 1241029262 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox sez that is 23 937 bytes < 1241029270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parser shall read hamlet < 1241029270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what was the key combo to boot a mac into single user shell < 1241029271 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology is 120 198 < 1241029275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dunno. google it < 1241029308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh < 1241029310 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Largest Project Gutenberg text file is puny 32 megabytes, titled "U.S. Copyright Renewals 1950 - 1977"; although it is possible I removed the Human Genome Project books from my local mirror. (Those are split in very many pieces anyway.) < 1241029311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to parse, or not to parse, that is the question < 1241029312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hamlet isn't big enough < 1241029316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: plz to link? < 1241029320 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it looks like half of fungot is comments, so it hardly counts < 1241029321 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 15. no children are fnord no fnord are fnord all rabbis are jews. some people are unhealthy. < 1241029327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cmd-S < 1241029333 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yeah, fnord fnord to you too. < 1241029334 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: " with this you make a kind of folk who have no horror of a joke. < 1241029340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1241029340 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice* darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp < 1241029342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241029348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also go ahead and use more than one Project Gutenberg text. < 1241029367 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: If mycology already overflows your stack what do you want something bigger for? < 1241029385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11800/11800-8.txt but it is the boring. < 1241029388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No, mycology overflows my stack with bounds checknig < 1241029390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I've removed < 1241029398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I want to overflow it with just this < 1241029401 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it doesn't otherwise < 1241029401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see what the issue is < 1241029407 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1241029418 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You froze my firefox :-( < 1241029460 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :550M residential and counting < 1241029468 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, resident < 1241029472 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's rather strange; it is, after all, just 32 megs of text. < 1241029478 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :666M < 1241029479 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Residential zone. < 1241029503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, konq decided to open it in kwrite and the progress dialog had a cancel in it < 1241029506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was able to stop it < 1241029510 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"31.19 MB" in fact according to the metadata in http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/11800 < 1241029511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, file is 35 MB < 1241029515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err ok < 1241029535 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32702551 bytes; I'm not sure where 35 megs would come from. Strange rounding. < 1241029551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Hypha.Fungespace> foo <- readFile "/Users/ehird/Code/hypha/11800-8.txt" < 1241029553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun dun dun < 1241029557 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 35 to the closest 5. < 1241029567 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: huh. < 1241029570 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the powers-of-ten megabyte, yes. < 1241029572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's rather inaccurate for 0-5... < 1241029585 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it loads correctly? < 1241029587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Hypha.Fungespace> fs `seq` () < 1241029590 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: But it's not for 0-5, it's for 32702551. < 1241029590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: it's loading now < 1241029595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/ let fs = parseFungespace foo < 1241029601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may take a while < 1241029623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I misread. < 1241029635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dthat file— < 1241029638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I clicked cancel quite quickly. < 1241029639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t file < 1241029643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does cfunge < 1241029645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handle that file < 1241029649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laggg < 1241029649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1241029650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was a mistake < 1241029656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: big 35mb one < 1241029660 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second-longest book would've been 20 megabytes, "The Entire Project Gutenberg Works of Mark Twain". Much more interesting to read. < 1241029663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :load time < 1241029668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAA < 1241029671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ram < 1241029671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11800/11800-8.txt you mean? < 1241029674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my poor ram < 1241029676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1241029680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not going to try it in cfunge. < 1241029687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1241029689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just parsing < 1241029689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have more ram than me < 1241029697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but AnMaster < 1241029698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is no "just parsing" option in cfunge. < 1241029699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use haskell < 1241029700 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird had a little ram < 1241029703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is memory intensive < 1241029707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so comment out interp(foo) < 1241029733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, once I got this mac to work perfectly ;P < 1241029750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it your mac now :-P < 1241029802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no. < 1241029808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: is there a non-shit portable hashtable for haskell < 1241029811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but still. I like to try to get it to work. < 1241029811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not portable w/e < 1241029814 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge residential size went to something like 2.2 gigabytes to do that file. < 1241029822 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~/hut/lktm/gutenberg$ (echo '@'; cat ./1/1/8/0/11800/11800-8.txt) > tmp.txt < 1241029822 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~/hut/lktm/gutenberg$ time ~/inst/cfunge/cfunge/build/cfunge tmp.txt < 1241029822 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real 0m26.077s < 1241029824 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there non-shit anything for haskell? < 1241029826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: cuz maps are just too biggety < 1241029831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: _|_ < 1241029835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my middle finger is a bottom. < 1241029842 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_|_) < 1241029844 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is ass < 1241029888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean when $user is in the group "relatives". < 1241029891 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Use what AnMaster does, shouldn't be hard to write an FFI for it :-P < 1241029898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :|||||||||||| < 1241029910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so got any smaller files < 1241029912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's strange; /usr/bin/time's memory-usage-reporting does not seem to much work. < 1241029915 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~/hut/lktm/gutenberg$ /usr/bin/time ~/inst/cfunge/cfunge/build/cfunge tmp.txt < 1241029915 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24.57user 1.32system 0:26.33elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k < 1241029915 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0inputs+0outputs (0major+630781minor)pagefaults 0swaps < 1241029916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: like, 1mb-3mb would be nice < 1241029917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it loaded it in 26 seconds? heh < 1241029925 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: A 30-meg file is not exactly typical funge code anyway < 1241029927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how fast does ccbi load it < 1241029964 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll take me 2 mins to download it first < 1241029971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok < 1241030005 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't be bothered to time "just loading" properly so I'll just replace the first char with q :-P < 1241030006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: There are quite many 1-3 MB files. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/12606/12606-8.txt is 2.91 megabytes. < 1241030012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Great Speeches and Orations of Daniel Webster by Webster and Whipple" < 1241030017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems more malleable < 1241030024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the word malleable < 1241030025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so malleable < 1241030051 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I added a single line with @ for that time test; I guess you saw it happening there, too. < 1241030063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cat /dev/urandom | tr -Cd -- '-[:lower:][:digit:]\n\\/ ;",.+*[]{}^<>@`_|:%$#!'\'"${FPRINTINSTRS}" | tr -d 'mhlior' | head -n $(( 1024 * 1024 * 3 )) >> fuzz.tmp < 1241030066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1241030070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1241030080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was adapted from the fuzz test script I use < 1241030084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Hypha.Fungespace> butt `seq` () < 1241030086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go. < 1241030088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously remove "${FPRINTINSTRS} < 1241030115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the matching " at the end too yes) < 1241030134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Hypha.Fungespace> butt `seq` () < 1241030134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Exception: stack overflow < 1241030136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ < 1241030156 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge eats around 2.2 gigs of RAM and takes 35.4 s user time < 1241030161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1241030167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite a bit of ram < 1241030171 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What, is my cfunge faster? < 1241030182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how old is it < 1241030185 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be older / not optimized. Beats me. < 1241030196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Residential size was ~2.2 gigabytes here too. < 1241030196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Okay, so now I'm going to strictify it. < 1241030200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungespace BDSM < 1241030202 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No clue, really. :p < 1241030205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, exact bounds or not? < 1241030214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1241030215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not that new. < 1241030218 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine has them on. < 1241030222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1241030230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well exact bounds does have some overhead. < 1241030241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both for memory and speed. < 1241030246 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :revno: 462. < 1241030254 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCBI is still working on it at 900M; growing a lot slower than cfunge. < 1241030279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, last revision is 752 < 1241030290 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I haven't been updating this. < 1241030302 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-10-29 or so. < 1241030318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds a `seq`. < 1241030326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still overfloods in my butt. < 1241030357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changes it < 1241030367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO DYC < 1241030368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E < 1241030372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :updateFungespace p v fs = fs { space = space fs `seq` Map.insertWith' const p v (space fs) } < 1241030427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1241030432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the oddity < 1241030490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just put $!'s EVERYWHERE. < 1241030529 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1241030542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: think maybe laziness is making my tailc alls not? < 1241030548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha < 1241030554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : go fs p@(Point x y) (z:zs) = go fs' (Point (x+1) y) zs < 1241030555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : where fs' = updateFungespace p (ord z) fs < 1241030557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bet that's taking stack < 1241030564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds fs' `seq` < 1241030584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks hopeful < 1241030586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1241030592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked < 1241030601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1241030609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is the data in it correct < 1241030611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1241030619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the new fungespace, not yet evaluated, was taking up space on the stack < 1241030625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I forced it to evaluate it before going on to the next char < 1241030630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and also I had a working funge space done in less than a day in cfunge. Of course it was a lot more lines. < 1241030632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus throwing away the old value < 1241030635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and making stack space constant again < 1241030638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was basic and so on < 1241030641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't care :P < 1241030644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but enough to begin with < 1241030700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for the funge space: what did you gain by using haskell? Compared to C, Lisp, Python or whatever. < 1241030709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: A language I like. < 1241030711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure for TRDS I can see it. < 1241030727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, will each component take this long, or is the funge-space an exception? < 1241030735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and. Have you looked at hsfunge? < 1241030743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Probably; the fungespace is the thing that stores a lot of data efficiently < 1241030750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And loads very large stuff sequentially < 1241030759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not exactly Haskell's sweet spot < 1241030762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no < 1241030768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funktio's site died < 1241030798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a copy here, old one I think. < 1241030828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could tar it up and upload it. Except there is NO license info. Not in the source files. Not in any separate file. < 1241030839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How slow is it? < 1241030840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I never got this version of it to build. < 1241030849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't answer that. < 1241030899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://omploader.org/vMWxreg (hsfunge.tar.lzma) < 1241030908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you are interested < 1241030911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Deewiant is < 1241030922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lzma; didn't unpack < 1241030933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why < 1241030946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, prefer 7zip? < 1241030947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X's autoexpander doesn't do lzma; I suppose I could open a terminal :-P < 1241030968 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCBI is at 13 minutes and counting, using 1.9 gigs of RAM < 1241030969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe compress. < 1241030971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, no modules or anything < 1241030974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a clump of files < 1241030980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so less memory usage but slower < 1241030988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINGERPRINTS ALL IN ONE FILE < 1241030990 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "and counting" < 1241030991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERNAL GHC STRUCTURES < 1241030993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GAWD < 1241030994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes < 1241030996 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Could easily go to 3 gigs, who knows :-P < 1241030997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1241031002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah. < 1241031005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what < 1241031010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's awful < 1241031014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway how does one compile it < 1241031023 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc --make mainfile < 1241031023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ghc --make Main.hs -o hsfunge < 1241031028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241031032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets try that again < 1241031041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fingerprints.hs:23:7: < 1241031041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Data.Time.Calendar.Julian': < 1241031041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Use -v to see a list of the files searched for. < 1241031045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1241031048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do I do then < 1241031048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ghc --version < 1241031056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 6.8.2 < 1241031056 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That doesn't matter < 1241031065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: upgrade. even if it doesn't matter. < 1241031074 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: HsFunge is older than 6.10. < 1241031078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1241031081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I dunno. < 1241031093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err the newer ones are *hardmasked* so I'm not going to until I find out why. < 1241031094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at hsfunge's parseFungeSpace; has lol attack < 1241031097 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say 'cabal install time' but he doesn't have cabal. < 1241031105 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's so old that Data.Time.Calendar.Julian has moved since... < 1241031106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is rather different than "testing" it usually means "broken" < 1241031108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: he has cabal just not cabal-install < 1241031112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, ghc 6.10 isn't broken < 1241031115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.10.2 is out < 1241031120 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, he has Cabal but not cabal. < 1241031148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'd like to remind you that gentoo have a good history of thinking they know everything about the packages and in the process breaking them or stating incorrect things about the < 1241031149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1241031166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, examples? < 1241031170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any < 1241031181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know about gentoo's terrible relation with upstreams? < 1241031182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. < 1241031195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, [citation needed] < 1241031202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few packages refuse to fix any bugs from gentoo users because gentoo fuck up their packages < 1241031217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, You mean ion. Right. < 1241031218 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hsfunge gets through Mycology with only one bad, in EVAR. < 1241031223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, others too. < 1241031230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, You haven't heard both sides of the story for ion clearly. < 1241031232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know of Ion. < 1241031234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ion author is a whining bastard who said he'd switch to windows < 1241031238 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supports all but SOCK and TURT. < 1241031242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't listen to him < 1241031246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Ion developer has about the intelligence of a fly. < 1241031253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what other examples then < 1241031267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm sorry that i don't keep a personal log of bad things i've heard about gentoo. < 1241031269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we all agree ion author is the fault in that case. < 1241031273 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't do input from console correctly. < 1241031275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very important to me. < 1241031285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this is definitely a case of [citation needed]. < 1241031288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so it is basically rumours only. < 1241031289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1241031293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl. < 1241031294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I agree. < 1241031294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not rumours < 1241031297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just forgotten citations < 1241031307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the first person to have mentioned this. < 1241031317 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCBI is at 2.5 gigs / 19 minutes. < 1241031325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed. I think he made it all up personally. < 1241031328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1241031341 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the hashtable is just degenerating into a linked list. < 1241031344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how the heck do you load into funge-space... < 1241031346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i make up shit about gentoo to satisfy my own perversive hate about it < 1241031347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :retards < 1241031355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, um you need to resize it then and rehash < 1241031372 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't resize, the array resizes itself when it feels like it < 1241031378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the cfunge one is set up to do that once it gets too stuffed. Though it already start out pretty large. < 1241031397 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even possible to tell a D hashtable what its size should be < 1241031407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed. That is what it does too. I enabled the option to do that for the hash library that I use. < 1241031416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241031427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm able to set mine to a rather large initial size. < 1241031461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway, was your cfunge 32-bit or 64-bit? < 1241031466 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 < 1241031526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, right, changing to 32-bit cells would reduce memory usage and increase speed a lot. < 1241031531 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2648M / 23 mins < 1241031550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how do you read the input file. Or is that not a bottle neck at all? < 1241031550 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try hsfunge once this is done < 1241031564 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about this version, actually < 1241031570 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks < 1241031600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah dev-haskell/time < 1241031601 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uses a TypedInput < 1241031607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be what I'm missing < 1241031620 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tango class for reading one byte at a time, buffers internally however it wants < 1241031673 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2747M / 25 mins < 1241031699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1241031726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so stream IO I guess. < 1241031734 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amusing amount of overhead for 131 megs of data :-P < 1241031744 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah, basically. < 1241031755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, was the original file 131 MB < 1241031760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was 31.something < 1241031767 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :31.something * 4 = 131 < 1241031773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1241031790 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2830M / 27 mins < 1241031815 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the GC is scanning that AA... < 1241031845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay so < 1241031847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parser parses < 1241031851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoorj < 1241031855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need to grow bounds < 1241031858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exact bounds can go FUCK THEMSELVEs < 1241031866 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1241031866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: does mycology test for exact bounds < 1241031867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(say no) < 1241031870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet < 1241031872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1241031874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it in mycoedge < 1241031880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna pass mycology :D < 1241031908 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not but I might have to to avoid it being a major pain < 1241031968 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2945M / half an hour. Sheesh. < 1241031999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1241032007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, can you see where the overhead is < 1241032008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% runhaskell -Wall -O2 Main < 1241032010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doo doo doo < 1241032015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOOOOOOOOO DOOOOOOOO < 1241032018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dododododododo < 1241032020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DADAOOO! < 1241032022 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: How could I < 1241032027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% runhaskell -Wall -O2 Main < 1241032027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point {pX = 0, pY = 0} < 1241032028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point {pX = 74, pY = 48944} < 1241032042 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not from the code, certainly :-P < 1241032042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, um. I don't know. memory profiler? < 1241032053 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1241032057 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I profiled this it'd take 30 days < 1241032064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1241032066 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :valgrind + cfunge 462 + that 31-megabyte file: < 1241032068 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==918== Warning: set address range perms: large range [0x43f7b030, 0x4bf7b030) (undefined) < 1241032079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what the hell does that mean < 1241032082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never seen it before. < 1241032084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's still running; I'm actually more interested in the malloc statistics.) < 1241032090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me neither. < 1241032106 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3028M / 32 mins < 1241032109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think it will end up mallocing a lot in cfunge_mempool.c at least < 1241032115 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there they came: < 1241032116 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==918== malloc/free: in use at exit: 1,813,071,464 bytes in 8,257 blocks. < 1241032117 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==918== malloc/free: 16,469 allocs, 8,212 frees, 2,548,451,304 bytes allocated. < 1241032117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that much I can tell. < 1241032119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey AnMaster, Deewiant, fizzie: I parse mycology in 0.025-0.026 seconds < 1241032133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that many frees? Odd < 1241032135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including loading the file and printing out the min/max bounds < 1241032141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and startup time < 1241032143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25ms ain't bad < 1241032166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1241032167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point {pX = 179, pY = 791} < 1241032168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about doing that bit in cfunge on your system. Remember my computer is slower. So hard to compare. < 1241032171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology has 796 lines < 1241032174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the > is broken < 1241032179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have four gigabytes memory here; it's barely enough for these 32-megabyte enterprise Funge programs. < 1241032187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1241032191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It takes something like 6ms to RUN Mycology. < 1241032196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what was the book btw. < 1241032209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, differently loaded system? < 1241032212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bad compile. < 1241032212 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3086M / 34 mins < 1241032213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Feh, my enterprise befunge programs are so big I'm upgrading to 12GB of memory! < 1241032217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Wat? < 1241032219 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be growing linearly. < 1241032233 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "U.S. Copyright Renewals 1950 - 1977" < 1241032242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's just that cfunge is ridiculously fast and my code isn't. < 1241032244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wait ms. < 1241032248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241032248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1241032248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241032270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Still, that's less than 10x of your running to do my parsing < 1241032272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not baaaaaaaad < 1241032289 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCBI is about 6-7x as slow as cfunge when running Mycology with fingerprints off < 1241032295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So correct me if I'm wrong, but all I need to have accurate fast bounds is to keep the minimum point updated, right? < 1241032308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, the university people have recently updated their main shell server to something that has a ridiculous amount of power for running a couple of IRC clients; it's a dual-processor Xeon E5450 (so 8 cores) and has 64 gigabytes of RAM. (Okay, so "couple" here means "couple hundred", but anyway.) < 1241032315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: e.g. involving slowdown.b98 < 1241032328 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: For precise bounds you need to know both min and max. < 1241032332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: E5450 ... what architechture thingy < 1241032337 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : total used free shared buffers cached < 1241032338 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mem: 64315184 30313024 34002160 0 760520 25333160 < 1241032343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Right, but not per line or anything to have slowdown not slow down? < 1241032343 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowdown.b98 needs precise bounds. < 1241032355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cfunge on mycology here: 0.034s with clean env, output to /dev/null and non-exact bounds. For exact bounds add ~0.010s. For env and output to terminal it is a bit more complex, varies more. Generally the time then is something like 0.070s or so. Depends on what terminal emulator I use though. < 1241032355 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, you just need precise min/max. < 1241032361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yay < 1241032366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not too hard then < 1241032371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course turning off fingerprints make it even faster < 1241032373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUH < 1241032382 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything else except what I read from /proc/cpuinfo. < 1241032391 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turn off fingerprints just because cfunge doesn't support them all, so the comparison is fair. < 1241032430 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :40% / 37 minutes. < 1241032434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ env -i PATH=/bin:/usr/bin TERM=$TERM /bin/bash --norc --noprofile -c 'time build_fast/cfunge -F mycology/mycology.b98 > /dev/null' < 1241032434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real 0m0.021s < 1241032434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user 0m0.012s < 1241032434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys 0m0.006s < 1241032439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there I turned off fingerprints too < 1241032443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and non-exact bounds < 1241032452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ env -i PATH=/bin:/usr/bin TERM=$TERM /bin/bash --norc --noprofile -c 'time build_opt/cfunge -F mycology/mycology.b98 > /dev/null' < 1241032452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real 0m0.027s < 1241032452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user 0m0.017s < 1241032452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys 0m0.008s < 1241032456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same but exact bounds. < 1241032501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes that is quite fair. Except I should use a profile feedback build for best results ;P < 1241032599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear, now hypha is terribly slow. < 1241032599 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3300 M / 40 mins. < 1241032612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why < 1241032620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I made bounds growing actually work. < 1241032622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's just chugging. < 1241032625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's inflooping < 1241032626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241032630 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that 31M file? < 1241032632 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could actually run out of memory before this completes :-P < 1241032632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's inflooping maybe < 1241032634 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Yep < 1241032639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | x < minX fs = updateFungespace p v fs{ minX = x } < 1241032639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | x > maxX fs = updateFungespace p v fs{ maxX = x } < 1241032640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | y < minY fs = updateFungespace p v fs{ minY = y } < 1241032642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | y > minY fs = updateFungespace p v fs{ maxY = y } < 1241032644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't see much wrong with that < 1241032649 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you fixed the first character to q then? < 1241032655 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: maxY at the end < 1241032658 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Yep < 1241032659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doh < 1241032665 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i'll test with pyfunge < 1241032669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay it's instant again < 1241032678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er < 1241032682 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"qroject Gutenberg's Copyright Renewals" < 1241032684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it thinks it has 794 lines < 1241032686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1241032688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my editor is wrong < 1241032697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how many fungelines does myco have? < 1241032697 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :795 lines. < 1241032701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :794 or 796 < 1241032701 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to wc. < 1241032705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1241032706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ok, 794 is right < 1241032707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I start at 0 < 1241032707 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So probably 794. < 1241032711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember first line is 0 < 1241032716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most editors use 1 < 1241032720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: longest line is at col 179? < 1241032721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting at col 0 < 1241032722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that always confuse me < 1241032729 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: About right, yes. < 1241032740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it takes 0.026 exactly, all the time < 1241032742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, check with y output. It says "BAD" if it is wrong. < 1241032744 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You'll find it right near the start. < 1241032749 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The longest line, that is. < 1241032757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've lost the 0.001s speed gain I soemtimes had :P < 1241032759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: kay < 1241032760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Er, dude. < 1241032762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do funge yet. < 1241032765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just fungespace. < 1241032768 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a comment there saying that it has to be the longest line. < 1241032769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in a reference interpreter < 1241032774 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With fungot there's extra-confusion since the actual code is loaded at (x=0,y=100) instead of the origin. So there's an offset, plus the off-by-oneness of editor line numbers. < 1241032775 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 20. some crocodiles, when not hungry, are amiable; but some are not. " some x are not-y, and some are not. < 1241032779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, like cfunge or ccbi < 1241032784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use them :) < 1241032788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That the least point containing a non-space cell is ( -1 -1 ) < 1241032788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That the greatest point, relative to that point, is ( 180 795 ) < 1241032789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1241032797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1241032797 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice* darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp < 1241032806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is off by one since it wrote to -1,-1 < 1241032811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, hypha loads it in imperceptible time < 1241032811 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3407M / 44 mins < 1241032812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's great < 1241032817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck exact bounds for now. < 1241032818 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grows by 8M every time it decides to < 1241032819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how much ram do you have < 1241032827 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 7983M according to htop < 1241032833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do you think wrapping logic belongs in fungespace.hs < 1241032837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungespace.hs that is < 1241032838 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No < 1241032839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, almost 8 GB then < 1241032842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1241032846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 8 ramgbs < 1241032849 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it completed! < 1241032853 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2670.21user < 1241032859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes 1000-based < 1241032860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume < 1241032870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, fun < 1241032872 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it quickly starts thrashing and my mplayer process got stopped. < 1241032875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, max ram usage was? < 1241032876 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge had 613288 minor pagefaults, CCBI 875756 < 1241032886 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should try it later... :S < 1241032895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that isn't such a large difference. < 1241032896 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I missed it but I guess around 3410-3450 since I last said 3407 < 1241032900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine you fuckers < 1241032902 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yep, it isn't < 1241032903 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Now run it under valgrind to get allocation statistics. :p < 1241032904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to parse that fucking file < 1241032907 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nno. < 1241032908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er wait Deewiant how much ram did it use < 1241032911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and you said your cfunge was 64-bit cells though < 1241032917 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 3410-3450 like I said. < 1241032917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while ccbi use 32-bit ones < 1241032918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241032918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also link to it < 1241032925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Right so about 1gb more than I have < 1241032928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, in that case the difference is larger in fact. < 1241032932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LYNK? < 1241032949 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To wat < 1241032970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hueg file < 1241032974 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/lastlog gutenberg < 1241032976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to feel pitiful about my ram < 1241032980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nice I don't use irssi :P < 1241032990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what about a 32-bit cfunge build. Since 2.2 GB is more than what I have < 1241032990 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well yeah, the overhead of CCBI is obviously a lot bigger. < 1241033000 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: So do the equivalent. < 1241033002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not going to try < 1241033005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Non. < 1241033006 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: If your client can't, upgrade. < 1241033006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None < 1241033012 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Upgrade to irssi. < 1241033027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi has a gui now does it? oh no it emulates a shitty one with vt terminal codes < 1241033033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry i don't use that kind of sw :) < 1241033054 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then press pageup a few times, or whatever your client does to read lines earlier than the one you just typed < 1241033062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, even erc has lastlog < 1241033064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does xchat < 1241033069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every client I know of < 1241033105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not that filesystem irc one naturally. But all major ones. < 1241033121 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, latest cfunge, 64-bit cells: 2.2 gigs / 24.4 secs < 1241033133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and what about 32-bit cells < 1241033162 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1945M / 21.5 secs < 1241033169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, exact bounds or not < 1241033176 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The non-buggy version for me < 1241033186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turning off exact bounds would reduce it quite a bit I suspect. < 1241033200 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mem usage? < 1241033205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes and time too < 1241033216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, exact bounds / 64-bit < 1241033218 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er < 1241033220 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inexact < 1241033230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be compared to 2.2 GB one then indeed. < 1241033238 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5 gigs / 23.3 secs < 1241033246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's that ipv6 tunnel that listed ipv6 isps? < 1241033254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what < 1241033255 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inexact / 32-bit < 1241033257 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. < 1241033266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Somewhere in SixXS's pages. < 1241033288 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sixxs.net/faq/connectivity/?faq=native < 1241033317 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2271M / 21.0 secs < 1241033319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant... Could you pastebin the output from ./cfunge -f there... Because that extra memory made no sense. < 1241033323 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Inexact increases memory usage by 300M < 1241033334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you are on r753 < 1241033338 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1241033359 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pastie.org/private/6kyhirehdwzelidahsyda < 1241033361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that increase in memory usage makes no sense. Sure you didn't confuse the two options < 1241033363 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the 32-bit one < 1241033367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sixxs are down >_< < 1241033368 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Very sure. < 1241033376 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Are you sure /you/ didn't? :-P < 1241033390 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe an #ifndef where an #ifdef should be or vice versa < 1241033392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it is the opposite of the results I get when I did memory profiling on cfunge here. < 1241033395 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sixxs url worked for me just fine. < 1241033397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let me check < 1241033420 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe their IPv4 side is down. :p < 1241033461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's sixxs's magic ipv4 to ipv6 domain < 1241033463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll view it via that :P < 1241033478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipv4.sixxs.org < 1241033479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IITC < 1241033480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*IIRC < 1241033505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sixxs.net = the page describing sixxs, sixxs.org = the tunnel itself < 1241033514 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, *that* doesn't seem to answer to me. < 1241033525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: obviously, you're on IPv6 < 1241033529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's an IPv6 to 4 translator < 1241033541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Uh, I do have IPv4 connectivity too here. < 1241033545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241033548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sixxs.net.ipv4.sixxs.org/ works :-D < 1241033552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-DDDDDDD < 1241033555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1241033556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :badly < 1241033557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken images < 1241033598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, doesn't match my results. < 1241033609 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W/ever < 1241033623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for mycology: 3.336 peak ram usage with inexact bounds. 6.522 for exact ones. < 1241033631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in MB < 1241033697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, In other words: I'm unable to reproduce the bug and for now I recommend that you remove the build directory and try again on a clean checkout. < 1241033712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are sure you didn't confuse it < 1241033717 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I clean checkout < 1241033725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, sec.. < 1241033729 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I shot web?! < 1241033738 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is checkout formed < 1241033741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what about: < 1241033742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzr branch http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/bzr/cfunge/trunk < 1241033769 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They need to do way instain bzr> < 1241033794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I'm too lazy to tell you to do bzr st and revert any changed files < 1241033796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241033803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I assume you are doing out of tree build. In tree build is unsupported as noted in the README. < 1241033845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you are doing that it should just be removing build directory to get it clean < 1241033905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1241033917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who kill thier branches < 1241033917 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Default CMake settings + Release build: 2203M / 24.42 < 1241033928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because these branches can't frigth back, it was on the rss this morning < 1241033935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ? < 1241033937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1241033938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah* < 1241033939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a committer in bzr who had kill his three patches < 1241033941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241033949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my pary are with the programmers who lost his patches < 1241033950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that would be with exact bounds indeed. < 1241033952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am truly sorry for your lots < 1241033963 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toggled EXACT_BOUNDS to OFF: 2532M / 23.10 < 1241033988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, do the difference go the same way for mycology? < 1241034001 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I get mem usage for something that runs so fast? < 1241034015 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :top only samples once per second or whatever < 1241034019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, valgrind --tool=massif and do ms_print on the generated file < 1241034032 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :valgrind changes program behaviour < 1241034035 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whatever < 1241034048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what about /usr/bin/time < 1241034054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no < 1241034054 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't show mem usage < 1241034073 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.164.109.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241034088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, man page says it can with a different format string < 1241034090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check < 1241034101 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1241034103 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it can < 1241034160 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that it fails < 1241034169 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says 0 < 1241034169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just noticed that hm < 1241034185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started to look at it but then it disappeared < 1241034185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1241034188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE HORRORS OF FAST PROGRAMS < 1241034193 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "where available" < 1241034197 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not available on Linux. < 1241034199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay so I have a fungespace YAY AM HAPPY!! < 1241034200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I tried on a slow program too, so irrelevant < 1241034203 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a Ubuntu bug report about it. < 1241034206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well that leaves valgrind < 1241034209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I need to write an Interpreter data structure. < 1241034210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with massif < 1241034225 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it" being time and resource usage showing zero. < 1241034230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IZ MASSIF < 1241034243 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it's doable on Linux, the /usr/bin/time people just haven't bothered. < 1241034263 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 minutes later, pyfunge read 80% of the file and became very slow < 1241034274 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its memory is now at 1.5GB < 1241034277 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: With valgrind it's 3442744 for inexact bounds and 6785328 for exact (second column, tail -n1) < 1241034289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So is the stack stack just int** then? < 1241034291 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no, it doesn't go the same way as it apparently does < 1241034302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241034310 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Isn't it more fun to figure this kind of stuff out yourself? :-P < 1241034317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well... you said top only updated slowly right? < 1241034325 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Besides, you're Haskell so it's Stack (Stack Int) < 1241034325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Sure, I just don't like implementing basic concepts completely incorrectly < 1241034331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, maybe both use more and you managed to catch then in an odd way < 1241034333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a theory < 1241034334 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :57651 Python 0.6% 13:04.08 1 14 3183 1319M+ 188K 1311M+ 1462M < 1241034337 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, < 1241034341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, where stack = mutable array in IO, of course. < 1241034344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :them* < 1241034349 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I doubt it, for such a big difference < 1241034350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. Can you get efficient arrays outside of IO in hs? < 1241034354 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Just valgrindalyze the 31-megabyte file; it didn't take more than a minute or so to run it. < 1241034354 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ST. < 1241034361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Pure. < 1241034366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, when you throw away the old value it turns into just [x] = y < 1241034383 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's pure it copies every time since it has to be, y'know, pure. < 1241034392 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: I didn't use any --tool=massif thing.) < 1241034428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no, ghc optimizes pure shit < 1241034431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, replace that q with 'a,a,>< < 1241034437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and check after it printed a < 1241034440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you copy & change a pure data structure and throw away the old one it optimizes it to a mutation < 1241034445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then kill it with ctrl-c < 1241034450 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: With arrays? < 1241034457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that should help making sure the measurement is stable < 1241034457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's what i'm asking you < 1241034462 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I doubt it. < 1241034556 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==30334== malloc/free: in use at exit: 2,140,095,696 bytes in 8,467 blocks. < 1241034563 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ exact bounds. < 1241034590 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And 64 bit) < 1241034602 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ==30334== malloc/free: 16,941 allocs, 8,474 frees, 2,880,720,576 bytes allocated. < 1241034615 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And you tricked me, it took over 2 mins. < 1241034634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the latter being inexact ones? < 1241034640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Think I should use a slowarray or an IOarray? < 1241034646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, they're from the same run. < 1241034649 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, it takes a minute per 1000 lines and i finally get tired of it. < 1241034652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah < 1241034656 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: :-D < 1241034659 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1228000 < 1241034659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so what about inexact ones then < 1241034659 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^\Quit < 1241034660 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real 27m26.597s < 1241034660 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user 12m38.005s < 1241034660 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys 0m39.870s < 1241034672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Did you miss "took over 2 mins"? < 1241034672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, ^C^C^C? < 1241034675 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It is running. < 1241034675 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SIGINT didn't work apparantly) < 1241034678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes I did < 1241034680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1241034690 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==30687== malloc/free: in use at exit: 2,081,686,560 bytes in 8,203 blocks. < 1241034690 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==30687== malloc/free: 16,415 allocs, 8,212 frees, 2,817,066,400 bytes allocated. < 1241034702 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it parsed 1228000 of 1575000 lines < 1241034710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that is less for inexact < 1241034711 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... is there any smaller file? :p < 1241034722 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yep. < 1241034722 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: There's a three-megabyte file mentioned later. < 1241034724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so where did you get that reverse behaviour from. < 1241034728 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: htop. < 1241034730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I can't reproduce it locally. < 1241034739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok, I gues it is a htop bug or something. < 1241034757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, interesting that exact bounds doesn't have a large memory overhead. < 1241034760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAH! WHY DOES ALSA HATE ME? < 1241034766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it does? < 1241034768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat /proc/asound/cards < 1241034771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- no soundcards --- < 1241034792 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: RES = "The non-swapped physical memory a task has used" according to man top. < 1241034793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points at lspci, then points at lsmod, then points at his alsa configuration... < 1241034794 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gutenberg.org/files/12606/12606-8.txt "The Great Speeches and Orations of Daniel Webster by Webster and Whipple" is 2.91 megabytes. < 1241034794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, load the correct kernel driver then. < 1241034804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hrrm. < 1241034811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I can't explain it. < 1241034816 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me, maybe it's just the wrong value to be looking at. < 1241034824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, unless cfunge was swapping? < 1241034825 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\shrug/ < 1241034831 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't have swap. < 1241034835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1241034848 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well actually I have 256M but it's pretty much never in use. < 1241034858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, alsa "configuration"? < 1241034862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what? < 1241034865 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 of it is in use currently, probably due to these enterprisey funge apps. < 1241034866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it works out of box < 1241034870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc/asound.conf < 1241034883 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I've not touched it at all. < 1241034887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, cat: /etc/asound.conf: No such file or directory < 1241034914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you use gentoo right? What package installed it < 1241034921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alsalib? < 1241034928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, installed asound.conf? < 1241034931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241034944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not installed by a package; that's only used if you want a custom ALSA configuration. < 1241034954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah, why do you want that then! < 1241034958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf contains the default config file, which loads /etc/asound.conf. < 1241034966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it exists) < 1241035007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is your /etc/asound.conf empty then? < 1241035013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not try temporarily removing it? < 1241035017 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1241035022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one thing I tried. < 1241035023 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241035035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what did you do before it stopped working < 1241035041 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rsize=185M, vsize=232M, but it takes much after reading all the file... hmm. < 1241035048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upgrade my kernel, using the same config as my previous kernel. < 1241035054 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And reboot. < 1241035055 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, i'm testing with 12606-8.txt) < 1241035056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, is that the 32-mb file in pyfunge? < 1241035072 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1241035078 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 32MB file got very slow and i forced to terminate it. < 1241035129 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i have less than 1GB of working, not-thrashing-proof memory it became very slow < 1241035130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at his kernel config some more < 1241035136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only 32 mb, wimps! < 1241035143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1241035164 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: remember that python stores every integer as 20-byte-or-so struct in the heap... >_< < 1241035174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait python boxes integers? < 1241035180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol@python' sucking < 1241035181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1241035182 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. unlike ruby. < 1241035182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, right < 1241035203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, err doesn't it only for large ones < 1241035205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: did guido say that boxed integers were too magical or confusing or something < 1241035205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241035209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1241035212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unboxed < 1241035214 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though python 2 caches some small integers < 1241035225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nope < 1241035226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, are you using 3.x < 1241035229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all heapside < 1241035234 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, 2.6.1 < 1241035236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nobody uses 3. < 1241035240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, python 2.x has small and large integers. < 1241035245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the C API side < 1241035247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1241035248 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that some small integers are between -5 and 100, iirc. < 1241035248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long and Int < 1241035250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1241035252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small integers are just cached in an array. < 1241035255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, huh < 1241035261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: 100 is enough for everyone < 1241035267 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what the hell this program stucks after reading fungespace? curious. < 1241035283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stucks"? < 1241035286 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241035298 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why but I found that particular sequence of words hilarious < 1241035303 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what the hell this program stucks" < 1241035320 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, you're such a stucker, you would. < 1241035329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is stuck" "freezes", but I never heard "stucks" as a verb < 1241035331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = stucks < 1241035338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- what the hell this program stucks < 1241035341 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That I found more groan-inducing than anything else. < 1241035341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be stick stuck < 1241035346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stucken? < 1241035348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err no < 1241035350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stucken! < 1241035355 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i forgot english grammar for a moment. < 1241035358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stucken: a program that stucks < 1241035358 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's not valid English if you're wondering about that. < 1241035373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it "stick stuck stuck"? < 1241035379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does your program stucks? < 1241035387 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sticka, stickur, stuckade, har stöckit. < 1241035398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, meaning? < 1241035403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They surgically removed 2 feet of colon - I now have a ;" < 1241035414 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same thing in Swedish in an alternate dimension. < 1241035451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sv:"att sticka" is en:"to knit" < 1241035465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1241035465 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have had enough fun with torturing pyfunge; now i have to do some real work. < 1241035477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sv:"att sticka" is en:"to sting" (for example, a bee stinging or such) < 1241035493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there is the slang meaning < 1241035515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is "leave quickly", not the same as "fleeing" exactly < 1241035520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not too far off. < 1241035531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more controlled I think. < 1241035575 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Is it again overloaded so that it has a different declension for different meanings? Like "sticka, stickar, stickade, stickat" for the first and "sticka, sticker, stack, stuckit" for the other, or something. < 1241035621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes. < 1241035630 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. I don't understand why you people keep doing that. < 1241035637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why not < 1241035660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sort of leaving in a hurry? < 1241035685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, kind of yes. < 1241035701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are different side-meanings in it I think. < 1241035710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I may just be ignorant of them in English < 1241035720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't translate those "side-meanings" really < 1241035798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, lets say someone just pulled(right word?) a practical joke on you, then they might leave in a hurry before they have to flee I guess. This word would work in that situation. For example. < 1241035816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, flee has a lot more "panic" feeling over it. < 1241035822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1241035828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 23 skidoo? XD < 1241035833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what < 1241035835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 skidoo (sometimes 23 skiddoo) is an American slang phrase popularized in the early twentieth century, first appearing before World War I and becoming popular in the Roaring Twenties. It generally refers to leaving quickly, being forced to leave quickly by someone else or taking advantage of a propitious opportunity to leave, that is, "getting [out] while the getting's good." The exact origin of the phrase is uncertain. < 1241035862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, except it is wider than that < 1241035888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't too far off. < 1241036079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hey, you might want to do: sudo nvram boot-args="-s" < 1241036085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your mac < 1241036088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me ;P < 1241036098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Starts in single user mode every time? < 1241036103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yep < 1241036103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try < 1241036114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how to get the GUI up from there < 1241036267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. 'Twould seem that my SB Live! has stopped working. < 1241036281 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for some reason, the driver for my onboard audio didn't load. < 1241036318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exit" from the single-user shell continues the normal bootup, I think. < 1241036487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Open up the case and examine? < 1241036498 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'll reseat it next time I reboot. < 1241036520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should make pencil sharpeners that use high-RPM fans or something, so you don't have to do any work. < 1241036563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: they have < 1241036569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: awesome, I want one < 1241036577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the sheer uselossity! < 1241036586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen them used in businesses before < 1241036605 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an electronic pencil-sharpener back in third grade, actually. Very neat. I wonder what happened to it. < 1241036618 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "electric" is more correct. < 1241036643 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember it being rather awfully noisy. < 1241036644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we need a bluetooth pencil sharpener < 1241036656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was going to say USB but decided to jump to the next awesome step) < 1241036658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a FreeBSD pencil sharpener < 1241036665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a bluetooth pencil sharpener that runs freebsd < 1241036669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241036669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, compromise < 1241036670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: netbsd < 1241036675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netbsd is the toaster one < 1241036676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I meant netbsd < 1241036707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but fans are bad < 1241036714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a passively cutting pencil sharpener < 1241036730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"passively cutting"? < 1241036735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1241036744 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could use some sort of controlled acid thing. < 1241036792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lasers < 1241036795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1241036796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1241036803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyper fan-like cutting lasers < 1241036815 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lasers+ graphite? < 1241036823 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no < 1241036830 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sense many "my pencil's on fire!" yells in the future of this channel. < 1241036830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up. < 1241036845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew someone who set their "pencil" on fire. < 1241036847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask. < 1241036859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, burning the pencil into a point would be one way to sharpen it < 1241036862 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241036863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't even know how to get the GUI up from there <-- SystemStarter < 1241036871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but why do you want that < 1241036874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1241036901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: also, have you not considered simply undoing the command that forced it into single user mode? < 1241036912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope :P < 1241036917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish intel macs used openfirmware < 1241036922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway, single user mode is a bad idea: < 1241036931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, single user mode is a bad idea in general < 1241036932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your point? < 1241036936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, that means you do everything as root, which is insecure < 1241036953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and second, single user means you can't use the user system for sandboxing < 1241036965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you are kidding, right? < 1241036970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do know he was joking, right? < 1241036980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm never sure, with AnMaster < 1241036994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes of course < 1241037027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway there are uses for single user mode. Accurate profiling results for example. < 1241037039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a pain to do that though < 1241037040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the subject of breaking "pencils": http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/the-redhat-package-mangler < 1241037045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for simple profiling < 1241037053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using single user mode for profiling isn't something I even thought of < 1241037064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just use a per-application profile timer? < 1241037070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and second, single user means you can't use the user system for sandboxing < 1241037074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1241037079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can su to an user < 1241037084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in single user mode < 1241037091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but then you're stuck as that user and can't be root as well < 1241037100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does single user mode have multiple terminals? < 1241037118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sudo -s, beotch < 1241037119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, per-application is inaccurate if you are doing IO stuff. Which causes stuff to happen in kernel. < 1241037121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1241037121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ^D < 1241037124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be the only person who likes ELER < 1241037131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELER? < 1241037133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ELER? < 1241037139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody loves eric raymond < 1241037142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eric s raymond that is < 1241037153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond < 1241037168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Here's one I made [two minutes] earlier: 20:30 ehird: On the subject of breaking "pencils": http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/the-redhat-package-mangler ) < 1241037183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Everybody Loves Eric Raymond is a web comic depicting the very real lives of Richard Stallman, Eric Raymond and Linus Torvalds as accurately as comedically possible. < 1241037184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their real lives, which include living together in a house, with dynamic dimensions, without their wives or girlfriends. Also, they always wear the same clothes. And don’t move their eyes much.) < 1241037197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm seems SystemStarter is not for modern OS X < 1241037206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it may be some launchd stuff < 1241037220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes that is what I meant. < 1241037415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, single user mode has two processes: launchd and shell < 1241037417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1241037426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lanchd has pid 1 < 1241037429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241037430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is init clearly < 1241037434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :launchd = init + cron + anacron + at + ... < 1241037452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ daemontools < 1241037457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, bloated < 1241037463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, orthogonal < 1241037482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1241037486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mac os X has man init < 1241037489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no actual init < 1241037498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% man init < 1241037498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No manual entry for init < 1241037501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.4 < 1241037502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241037509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiger sux dick :P < 1241037518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1241037544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I prefer linos < 1241037547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lions* < 1241037591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you ever heard of a cat called Public Beta? < 1241037592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1241037674 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :============ < 1241037675 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Statistics < 1241037675 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :============ < 1241037675 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spent: 10105 ticks < 1241037675 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Encountered: 91516 instructions < 1241037678 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Executed: 82692 standard instructions < 1241037680 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Executed: 161 fingerprint instructions < 1241037682 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forked: 25 IPs < 1241037685 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stopped: 40 IPs < 1241037687 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Travelled to the past: 7 IPs < 1241037689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what's the io array again < 1241037690 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Travelled to the future: 12 IPs < 1241037693 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrived in the past: 20 IPs < 1241037695 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time stopped: 16 times < 1241037700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1241037705 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOArray? What? < 1241037710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell < 1241037716 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about it? < 1241037722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, mac os x by default has a serial console set up < 1241037724 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: MycoTRDS < 1241037724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241037730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what's it called :P < 1241037736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I was going wow over serial console < 1241037737 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: IOArray, like I said. < 1241037738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on OS X < 1241037739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1241037740 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Do you have docs? < 1241037744 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: :-D < 1241037746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/Mac_OS_X_10.1_Puma_screenshot.png ← i wish current os x looked like this < 1241037748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes :P < 1241037752 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Read them. < 1241037759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check /etc/ttys < 1241037761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on OS X < 1241037773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ~/.cabal/share/doc vs /usr/local/gdfgdfg/dfgdfgdfg/dfgdfgdfg :- < 1241037774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P < 1241037784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a fax one wth < 1241037969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: /usr/local/share/doc/ghc/libraries/index.html < 1241037970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely. < 1241038047 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My /usr/share/doc seems to weigh 600 megabytes; that's quite heavy. < 1241038060 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :138M here < 1241038081 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtkmm takes 43M < 1241038094 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :texlive-latex-extra-doc by itself is 100 megabytes; I wanted to look at a single manual of a single package, and, well... < 1241038106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : My /usr/share/doc seems to weigh 600 megabytes; that's quite heavy. <-- 398 MB here < 1241038113 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I just use CTAN for that :-P < 1241038120 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. Google < 1241038126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18M /usr/share/doc < 1241038126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 24M /usr/local/share/doc < 1241038127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 65M /opt/local/share/doc < 1241038128 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Google is what I usually use as well. < 1241038132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=107MB < 1241038182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I said that there was one nice thing about mac hardware < 1241038188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the low noise level < 1241038192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction: < 1241038193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two < 1241038203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the magnetic power connector is very nice too < 1241038212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is only found on laptops < 1241038218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still extremely nice < 1241038225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do you like it < 1241038228 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My iBook G4 is too old to have that piece of niftitude. :/ < 1241038236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. < 1241038251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The power cable on my iMac is sort of welded in, I couldn't get it out if I wanted to. < 1241038259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without performing surgery on it. Which I might do when I get the new box. < 1241038265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always shiny hardware to raid! Not RAID. < 1241038276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok found how to boot correctly from single user mode: < 1241038277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exit < 1241038279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is it < 1241038319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: UVector is sufficiently smart, apparently. Hoorj < 1241038362 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't resize it purely IIRC < 1241038435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, critical zero-day bug for adobe acrobat reader < 1241038450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cross-platform, and can be fixed by disabling javascript < 1241038519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1241038537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Dammit < 1241038550 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1241038580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No pure resizing < 1241038590 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, I could be wrong < 1241038598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: If you can resize them in IO, I'll just unsafePerformIO 'er up < 1241038606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just use an io array really < 1241038608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb→ < 1241038611 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use a list < 1241038841 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Performed: 263675 Funge-Space lookups < 1241038841 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Performed: 443 Funge-Space assignments < 1241038845 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than I expected. < 1241038855 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mycology without fingerprints) < 1241038905 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 22:18:36 [Finnish time] "exit" from the single-user shell continues the normal bootup, I think. < 1241040049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, aha < 1241040052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't see that < 1241040066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, except bluetooth fails to start then :D < 1241040149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you added that logging code just now? < 1241040177 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1241040228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw have I mentioned that disable tracing at compile time make no difference on my sempron but makes a noticeable difference on my old pentium3. < 1241040258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess branch prediction is not very good on the p3 < 1241040454 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't think you've mentioned that < 1241041794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I just built cfunge as an universal binary. < 1241041810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :runs on intel at least. my old mac is too old to test it (pre-os x) < 1241041834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can dual compile for powerpc and m68k though (fat binary) < 1241041836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241042061 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241042583 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine there are many games based on Conway's Life. < 1241042604 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Game" meaning "game that people play against each other". < 1241042614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that work for life < 1241042661 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One possible mechanic: each player starts with an R-pentomino; every turn, one player kills one of their own pieces, then the Life rules are applied. < 1241042677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pentomino? < 1241042678 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When a cell is born, it receives the color shared by two of its parents. < 1241042720 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-pentomino. This pattern: < 1241042721 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oo < 1241042722 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo < 1241042723 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : o < 1241042733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... so why the odd name "pentomino" < 1241042824 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pent- from Greek "five", -omino from domino. < 1241042832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... < 1241043039 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders what extensions should be made to a neural net to make it decent at his Conway's Life game < 1241043097 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, another Life game is the "intelligent cell" game. < 1241043129 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which can be found at the celebrated eminently famous clickmazes.com. < 1241043282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:49 AnMaster: ehird, I just built cfunge as an universal binary. < 1241043284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how useless < 1241043294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1241043313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, ppc macs are practically dead now < 1241043317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's generally a waste of space < 1241043324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, was just testing it < 1241043330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1241043333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't < 1241043341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR moved vps hosts again :D < 1241043341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my old first generation ibook still works < 1241043350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why < 1241043350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 10.6 may not support ppc macs < 1241043359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I know. < 1241043360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 'cuz I'm moving to the same host and they're cheap and look good. < 1241043361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1241043370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's dead. Mac users = early adopters. < 1241043372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does everyone have to upgrade < 1241043376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh damn right < 1241043377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1241043382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't distribute binaries. < 1241043389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for cfunge. < 1241043392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to < 1241043395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not any longer. < 1241043457 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tail recursion: http://g.imagehost.org/0632/snake.jpg < 1241043506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that ipv6 vps you used was w/ bytemark hosting right < 1241043516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Have you read your SICP today? < 1241043528 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read much SICP < 1241043539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err < 1241043546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no < 1241043552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what was it with < 1241043572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it was with a friend who has a dedi at softlayer < 1241043576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is in fact < 1241043577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241043579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is still up < 1241043600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bytemark seems to load quite fast from the uk (since they're a uk company) and do ipv6, so that's the main competitor to prgmr for me atm < 1241043608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so how far do you get in mycology now < 1241043622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I was brb→ until a few seconds ago. < 1241043635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't get any BADs, though ;-) < 1241043694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9440/snakeonlysf4.png < 1241043696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read your SICP. < 1241043804 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My iBook! You're saying it's dead! You monster! < 1241043834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :'( < 1241043952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: < 1241043953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : stackStack :: [[Int]] < 1241043957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which I cave in. < 1241043996 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1241044036 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1241044050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You're right though, I doubt accessing the 458743957345th element of the stack is all too common < 1241044328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: < 1241044329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this document, short stacks are generally notated left to right to mean bottom to top. The leftmost values listed in the documentation are the bottommost and the first to be pushed onto the stack. Long stacks are notated top to bottom, to mean precisely that, top to bottom.. < 1241044331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am very confused. < 1241044364 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's confusing about that? < 1241044370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Is it saying that depending on the size of the stack it reverses its terminology?! < 1241044372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :‽‽‽‽‽‽ < 1241044393 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's saying that depending on the size of the stack it's horizontal/vertical < 1241044398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1241044498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe you should learn to code befunge before you write an interpreter ;P < 1241044501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand... < 1241044509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing an interpreter is a good way to learn it! < 1241044518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing to do with coding it, just the spec is worded oddly < 1241044531 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote an interpreter for DOBELA and still can't anything besides hello worlds in it < 1241044542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You accidentally the program. < 1241044551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: and you had problems with even hello world no? :P < 1241044559 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, hello world is easy < 1241044569 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementing it was hard because the specs sucked :-P < 1241044581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Interpreter = < 1241044581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Interpreter { < 1241044582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : stackStack :: [[Int]], < 1241044585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ip :: Point, < 1241044586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : delta :: Point < 1241044588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1241044590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lah di di daaaaaah < 1241044624 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No concurrency? < 1241044629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: O. Tru. < 1241044644 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It /is/ optional, you don't have to do it < 1241044658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I plan on implementing all MKRY fingerprints. < 1241044665 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have to do it < 1241044667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1241044675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, all fingerprints possible. < 1241044676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including MKRY. < 1241044704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wrote an interpreter for DOBELA and still can't anything besides hello worlds in it <-- yes. But befunge is a rather different beast. < 1241044716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Interpreter { < 1241044716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : stackStack :: [[Int]], < 1241044717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : instructionPointers :: [InstructionPointer] < 1241044719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1241044721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1241044723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : InstructionPointer { < 1241044725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so once ATHR is finished you will implement it < 1241044725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : location :: Point, < 1241044726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1241044727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : delta :: Point < 1241044728 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: One stack stack per IP < 1241044729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1241044731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoorj < 1241044733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. < 1241044735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh. < 1241044737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a fungespace too < 1241044743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1241044771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, be aware of then (for nesting purposes, not for "is best"): MVRS > ATHR > threads by t < 1241044783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can rework this code later. < 1241044784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for "is best" you clearly have ATHR > t > MVRS < 1241044787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's nice like that < 1241044796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure you can for most languages. < 1241044801 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MVRS's official incarnation is kind of crappy, yeah < 1241044802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stackstack is initially [[]] right? < 1241044807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed < 1241044817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you are violating GPL3! < 1241044819 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, it's repeat (repeat 0) < 1241044820 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1241044823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is what it looks like in efunge < 1241044827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[]] < 1241044830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :initially < 1241044832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii < 1241044833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1241044839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Isn't there a way to tell if the stack's empty? < 1241044855 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is, which is why it can't be that. < 1241044855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I doubt that is enough code for it to be a violation though. To general < 1241044858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/463114.txt?key=uaxd3mxfem6b43an62w47a Hum di dum < 1241044870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funktio complained about not being to able to initialize to (repeat 0) because of that. < 1241044874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw n clears all item on the TOSS < 1241044875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Lawl < 1241044879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional bastard :D < 1241044894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are no multicharacter instructions in Funge." < 1241044900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell that to XHELLOZ < 1241044925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, echnically efunge has support for typed memory btw. I have plans to make a fingerprint that requires typed funge space. < 1241044942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't plan to reveal for what yet. < 1241044959 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you implement it in cfunge? < 1241044966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, in efunge, not in cfunge. < 1241044971 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1241044987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what answer did you expect ;P < 1241044991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1241044998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should use a map of instructions < 1241045005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or (foo 'x' = 2) < 1241045015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if you plan to implement IMAP... < 1241045020 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Map makes it easier to do some things < 1241045024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I. Can. Restructure :-P < 1241045029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I'll go for a map. < 1241045035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, M. E. H. < 1241045059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so did you get any good ideas from hsfunge < 1241045068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it all crap < 1241045068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm not reading it for licensing concerns ;) < 1241045079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you were, saying "OMG" and such < 1241045090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, NIH! < 1241045097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIH NIH NIH! < 1241045100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, NIH. As in I'd like to learn something,. < 1241045106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,\.$/./ < 1241045120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Egypt orders slaughter of all pigs over swine flu" < 1241045130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's order the slaughter of all humans over swine flu < 1241045130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you will have a hard time implementing most RCS fingerprints then < 1241045134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so badly speced. < 1241045166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've always had the gift of being able to interpret gibbering retards, so I don't think I'll have a problem. MKRY isn't all that vague at all IMO. < 1241045176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: ↑ does not imply I think MKRY is a gibbering retard) < 1241045180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not that fingerprint no < 1241045181 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's not so much interpretation as lack of information. < 1241045188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1241045201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, but it seems easy to deduce intent from what i've read < 1241045202 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are N different ways to do something and you just have to know the intended one. < 1241045220 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Not always. < 1241045225 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm just dense. < 1241045229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241045233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I can handle *some* ambiguity... < 1241045236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, me too in that case. < 1241045253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and TURT is insanely badly speced < 1241045261 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1241045263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even say if 0 degrees is up or down < 1241045264 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1241045268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1241045279 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H 'Set Heading' (angle in degrees, relative to 0deg, east) < 1241045292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's from the guy who brought you funge-108 < 1241045295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must have confused it then hm < 1241045307 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: TURT is from Cat's Eye. < 1241045311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he probably thinks C is underspecced < 1241045311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes! < 1241045316 0 :Quazie!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex < 1241045322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# L 'Turn Left' (angle in degrees) < 1241045322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# R 'Turn Right' (angle in degrees) < 1241045325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241045342 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, the idea of writing a disambiguated Funge isn't bad in theory since the spec does kinda suck in some places. < 1241045349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's fun. < 1241045355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah but which way do the bot start < 1241045360 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice I don't think it's smart since Funge is small. < 1241045369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, is it 0 initially < 1241045373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I mean, it's fun because it's esoteric and this kind of shit is the only reason I'm implementing it. < 1241045379 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Undefined. < 1241045386 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So don't rely on it. < 1241045393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed. < 1241045411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :direction = error "Demons fly out of your window, washing the windows API" < 1241045436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and there are various other issues are we both know < 1241045460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and it is hard to implement correctly < 1241045479 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think TURT has any important spec issues. < 1241045532 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things could be explicit but implicitness doesn't matter, it can't be misinterpreted IMO. < 1241045744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the Funge interpreter should at least provide an option for informing the user that it was told to execute an instruction that isn't implemented" < 1241045751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :` executed. < 1241045755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What code should be used? _ < 1241045763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just like the good old days in '93! < 1241045781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, TOYS do though < 1241045787 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOYS, certainly. < 1241045812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't implement it without looking at an existing implementation. < 1241045814 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: However, at least the Cat's Eye fingerprints say that they're under development. < 1241045823 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, you're not really supposed to implement them. :-P < 1241045827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes, but nothing happen. < 1241045831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens* < 1241045838 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, so? < 1241045840 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're unfinished. < 1241045841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1241045842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOYS? < 1241045849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/library/TOYS.html < 1241045859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks trivial < 1241045863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err no < 1241045879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B ('pair of shoes') pops two cells off the stack and pushes the result of a "butterfly" bit operation. < 1241045880 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing that can't be done is the butterfly op. < 1241045882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that one < 1241045892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, as I just said yes ;P < 1241045893 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And actually, even that I did find by googling. < 1241045896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how do you implement that one? < 1241045899 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's so obscure that I didn't trust it. < 1241045906 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turned out to be consensus. < 1241045911 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe because it's the only one I found ;-P < 1241045920 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Don't you have CCBI? < 1241045924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1241045928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, everyone copied CCBI < 1241045930 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ccbi -p < 1241045931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I read it the license gnomes will infect my heart. < 1241045951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err ccbi -p is abstract algorithm info < 1241045966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does ccbi2 have it < 1241045972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar.us.to[0: 88.114.245.125]: errno=Connection refused < 1241045972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused) < 1241045974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ^ < 1241045978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, TIAS! < 1241045985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: License. Gnomes. < 1241045991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241045996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "try it and see" < 1241045997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ccbi is broken on my system < 1241045999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ldc sucks. < 1241046010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1241046012 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Didn't you pull the non-regex one? < 1241046014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it does < 1241046021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes < 1241046026 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That one works? < 1241046030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, can you put it up to let me pull last < 1241046037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Until I execute a program, IIRC < 1241046038 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Which one do you have? < 1241046046 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no 'last', it's in 10 or so branches currently < 1241046054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, uh < 1241046055 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ccbi -p doesn't execute a program! < 1241046056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: < 1241046056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I telll < 1241046058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% bin/ccbi ~/Downloads/mycology/mycology.b98 [HANG] < 1241046059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell* < 1241046065 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: bin/ccbi -p < 1241046070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how do I tell < 1241046073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes. < 1241046078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why is it broken < 1241046093 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I can't see into the mind of your computer. < 1241046112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phoo < 1241046112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I know for sure you can serve git from plain http. I can accept the lower speed. < 1241046114 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: git show, for instance < 1241046122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :commit 732e49a3401df2a1bd36221f8d767e00f8553a85 < 1241046122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Author: Matti Niemenmaa < 1241046122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Date: Mon Apr 27 20:05:15 2009 +0300 < 1241046122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Remove 'private' from FIXP. < 1241046123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that? < 1241046135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is what git show says < 1241046135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'B' pops y, then x, and pushes x+y, then x-y. This may or may not be the < 1241046136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the "butterfly bit operation" requested. < 1241046137 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, the first line would've been enough. < 1241046140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you get that defn? < 1241046146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Google. < 1241046154 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and also < 1241046155 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!Befunge < 1241046164 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is when I decided that it's probably right < 1241046164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It doesn't seem very...well...bit operationy < 1241046170 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I know. < 1241046175 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence, may or may not be. < 1241046215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, still connection refused. < 1241046218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "FRTH" 0x46525448 Some common forth [sic] commands < 1241046219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sic? < 1241046226 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: FORTH. < 1241046231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, FORTH != forth < 1241046231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's Forth. < 1241046235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1241046237 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: These days, yes. < 1241046238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth != forth too < 1241046241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When being pedantic it helps to be right. < 1241046242 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's not forth, though. < 1241046258 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as indicated by the [sic] < 1241046259 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241046266 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm old-fashioned. < 1241046270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Anyway! Why is it still timeout < 1241046274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Chuck Moore calls it Forth. He is right. < 1241046286 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because you haven't told me how I export the branch you want < 1241046293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241046301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I said what git show showed < 1241046307 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you did. < 1241046312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm happy to follow the same branch < 1241046315 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know how to export only the main branch. < 1241046325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well. Do you think I do < 1241046331 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I give you everything you'll ask me how to switch branches etc. and I don't want to be your Git tutorial. < 1241046347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I actually done that before < 1241046351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of remember it < 1241046352 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, but if you really want it it's your onus to figure it out, not mine. < 1241046369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, won't it default to the main one by default < 1241046371 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, you shouldn't ping me every few minutes. < 1241046379 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There is no "main" one in Git. < 1241046385 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All branches are equal. < 1241046390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What about >1 per sec < 1241046391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, surely you have a trunk < 1241046392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that okay < 1241046393 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The default one is just called "master". < 1241046399 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, but Git doesn't know that. < 1241046401 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ? < 1241046408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so won't I track master by default? < 1241046412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Look at your irc server console < 1241046426 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: What about it < 1241046436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I /ping'd you :P < 1241046438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several times < 1241046440 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x, y) → (x+y, x-y) is the only butterfly operation I am aware of, too; the one used in FFT. I admit the "bit" word is a bit distracting there. < 1241046445 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I can't see that < 1241046450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: o < 1241046460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241046466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since TOYS is inspired by INTERCAL < 1241046472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sqqms rqght. Hqy, Q'm vqwqllqss qgqqn! < 1241046484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does "butterfly bit operation" mean anything in intercal? < 1241046493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1241046498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1241046500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was worth a try. < 1241046513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a meaning in fast fourier transforms < 1241046520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the one RC/Funge tries to implement < 1241046531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the "bit" bit doesn't make sense there though < 1241046531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What does FBBI do? < 1241046533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it FBBI? < 1241046540 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: FBBI implements only ROMA and NULL. < 1241046545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iirc FBBI doesn't implement TOYS < 1241046548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr. < 1241046563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's null? nop fingerprint? < 1241046568 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1241046590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, NULL and ROMA are trivial < 1241046643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOAL: Execute sanity.bf < 1241046663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0-0, space, ., # and @ must be implemented. < 1241046666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*0-9 < 1241046721 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241046740 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Welp, I just made a tmpdir into which I pushed, that might've worked. < 1241046770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pulls < 1241046771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NULL is not exactly "nop" in the sense that it has observable effects: it does add a r-like instruction for all [A-Z]; I used it in fungot for swapping things with FING before replacing the parts that needed that with Z instead of X. < 1241046772 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ' i don't know what. what's the good of having it all over again?' she said to herself, that she mightn't take his breath away: but, when he had satisfied himself that the flowers are always asleep.' < 1241046774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241046778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIE! < 1241046800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://pastebin.ca/1407889 < 1241046802 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It adds nop to everything, which justifies calling it a nop fingerprint, I guess. < 1241046804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get that from git pull < 1241046805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1241046817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Please read the docs. < 1241046823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that message. < 1241046823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tl;dr! < 1241046823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thx. < 1241046824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It adds a reflect; that's a strange thing to call a "nop". Well, I guess it depends on your viewpoint. < 1241046829 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: RTFMessage then if you need it RTFManual. < 1241046830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Then you don't get ccbi2. < 1241046832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sux 2 be u < 1241046836 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But the official "nop" is not a reflect. < 1241046845 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: True. < 1241046849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so I do a clean checkout Right? Easier. < 1241046851 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1241046858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Congrats; you just avoided learning something. < 1241046865 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Sorry, I killed the server. < 1241046871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1241046888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't plan to learn git < 1241046893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, tell me when you restarted it < 1241046899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"when" < 1241046899 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Maybe next week < 1241046907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, .. why < 1241046908 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Originally I actually thought it added a nop and not a reflection. A no-longer-existent version of Mycology expected that < 1241046916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you are just silly now < 1241046979 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You don't think it's worth it to read 5 lines of error message and figure it out for yourself? < 1241046992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It would be giving in to the enemy (git) < 1241047003 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc is git. < 1241047005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, 17 != 5 < 1241047009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn to count < 1241047011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Then he shall have to do without. < 1241047025 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1241047028 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You only need to read the first 5. < 1241047030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, a libc is but a speck compared to the horrors of learning one command of git. < 1241047055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try again (e.g. 'git pull '). < 1241047057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1241047062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the first 5 ones < 1241047066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what do I want there < 1241047068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1241047075 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do you get the situation? < 1241047076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Did you lose your English lobe overnight? < 1241047086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no < 1241047086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: does each IP have its own stack of instruction maps? < 1241047088 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you're on a different branch than the remote you pulled from. < 1241047095 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it asks which branch to merge with. < 1241047099 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes. < 1241047108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok. I'm used to separate directories like for svn. And bzr. < 1241047121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so I don't get what this error mean. Nor how to correct it. < 1241047125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"instructionMapStack". What an unwieldy name. < 1241047146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, opcode_stack in cfunge. < 1241047163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and which one do I want to answer here < 1241047168 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's saying that you're on a different branch and it wants to know what branch to merge with. < 1241047181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and I don't know which one you recommend. < 1241047182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe a stack is bad, if you load 4 fprints it'll take 4 "tail"s to get to a core instruction. < 1241047191 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'd go with HEAD. < 1241047221 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if that's correct, but that's what I'd try first. < 1241047224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so git pull git://tar.us.to/ HEAD < 1241047228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then? < 1241047253 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like it'll rm -rf $HOME if you do it wrong. < 1241047255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: TIAS! < 1241047257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, seems you didn't kill it at all. How nasty to claim you did it. < 1241047260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh that felt good. < 1241047269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I already did... < 1241047273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you typed that < 1241047280 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I did, but I restarted it when I realized that you need it to pull changes again. < 1241047299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, any reason why you don't publish it over plain http < 1241047305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems rather closed development model < 1241047328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how many non-deewiant committers are there? < 1241047331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none? Yes, that sounds closed. < 1241047331 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Originally I didn't know it was possible and since then I haven't bothered to set it up < 1241047345 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: IIRC you offered a patch but didn't bother ;-) < 1241047372 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So did the pull work? < 1241047431 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ^ < 1241047462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: thoughts re: stack? < 1241047485 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I didn't get your thoughts. My suggestion is the YAGNI development model. < 1241047489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why should I tell you when you act like that :P < 1241047496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 23:19 ehird: Hmm, maybe a stack is bad, if you load 4 fprints it'll take 4 "tail"s to get to a core instruction. < 1241047500 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, it's your loss if it didn't work. < 1241047503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway bzr is a lot more logical here. Acts more like you expect. < 1241047504 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes, I didn't get. < 1241047505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's not quite YAGNI as This May Slow Down Everything. < 1241047513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: FAMILIARITY IS NOT INTUITIVENESS! < 1241047515 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: May = YAGNI. < 1241047515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it seems to have worked < 1241047521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the same argument, AnMaster, Windows is more logical than Linux. < 1241047538 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Good. < 1241047553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, No. bzr is closer to what you expect from a file system and from a static web server < 1241047559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one resource per directory/file < 1241047569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You're on crack, sir, and don't understand git at all. < 1241047577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you come from the context of another VCS. < 1241047588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not git's fault. < 1241047590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't want to understand such an abomination as git no. < 1241047601 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually always expected branches to live in one directory and was surprised that VCSs don't do it < 1241047615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second by second you make me less likely to ever try and help you with anything ever again, AnMaster. < 1241047616 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVN in particular struck me as really messed up in terms of layout < 1241047620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I fully support google going for mercurial. I don't like hg. But I can live with it. < 1241047627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't too broken in semantics. < 1241047630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like git is. < 1241047632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But git eats babies after fucking them, yeah, yeah, STFU. < 1241047660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes. branches/tags/trunk is kind of messy in svn < 1241047673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is trying to be semi-CVS compatible < 1241047716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1241047723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how I should tell instructions what IP they're executing on. < 1241047730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also I managed to get by with simple git pull from several kernel.org projects < 1241047733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no issues. < 1241047734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter -> InstructionPointer -> IO (Interpreter,InstructionPointer), maybe. < 1241047742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, it's HIS fault. Obviously. < 1241047755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would assume so. < 1241047756 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, you've been pulling from my development state which means it wasn't on the master branch. < 1241047760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lolllllllllll < 1241047763 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241047765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you never told me. < 1241047768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: feel bad about yourself! < 1241047775 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Why on earth should I have told you? < 1241047783 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can find out trivially by asking git < 1241047788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I just followed your instructions. I would assume that to lead to a sensible state. < 1241047798 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The state was sensible < 1241047805 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1241047812 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall being badgered by people to serve CCBI2 < 1241047820 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I was in the middle of writing something for it < 1241047824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what? git info? No such thing. I tried many commands that seems kind of common to many VCS, including svn, bzr, darcs, hg. None of them worked. < 1241047826 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So WYGIWYGAINGW. < 1241047835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ? < 1241047838 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: git help, perhaps? < 1241047842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what you get is what you get and it's not gonna work < 1241047846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes but didn't find what I wanted there. < 1241047854 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: s/not gonna work/no good whining/ < 1241047861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I was guessing < 1241047867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I prefer ehird's interpretation < 1241047869 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: branch List, create, or delete branches < 1241047869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :closer to reality. < 1241047873 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: status Show the working tree status < 1241047879 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: show Show various types of objects < 1241047880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Oh fuck off if you're going to be so ungrateful to Deewiant < 1241047884 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: log Show commit logs < 1241047886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has NO OBLIGATION to give you a ccbi2 repository < 1241047887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how do I show what branch I pulled from < 1241047889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the url I mean < 1241047911 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it even remembers that < 1241047915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzr info | grep parent < 1241047916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn info | grep URL < 1241047919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two examples < 1241047938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the darcs one was similar iirc < 1241047943 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you have to do an explicit 'git remote add' to save the URL. < 1241047962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the manpages for git-remote, I don't know about that. < 1241047963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I just had to do git pull before without giving the url < 1241047973 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then it does. < 1241048012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah darcs was slightly different indeed: < 1241048014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs show repo | grep Remote < 1241048018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but darcs too is easy < 1241048025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to git. < 1241048038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :git may be good internally. I'm not arguing against that. < 1241048060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it need a better user interface < 1241048061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The stack stack is initially filled with infinite (infinite 0s), right? < 1241048073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no it is empty < 1241048075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I daresay the problem is with you. < 1241048089 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 2009-04-30 00:40:19 ( Deewiant) ehird: No, it's repeat (repeat 0) < 1241048089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me and Deewiant don't seem to have any issues with gi < 1241048090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1241048091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and with 95% of the other developers. < 1241048094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Rite. < 1241048099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you two right < 1241048100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, because nobody at all uses git. < 1241048110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, svn is more common < 1241048111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not a very popular DVCS, if not the most popular. < 1241048117 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ulrich Drepper uses git so it must be good < 1241048117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not gaining large amounts of traction. < 1241048127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, everyone hates it. < 1241048136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birds shit on Linus just for making git. < 1241048141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why. You are a fanboy of him? < 1241048147 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1241048159 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You broke his sarcasm detector < 1241048163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I know he is glibc maintainer. I think glibc is bloated. < 1241048164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It never worked. < 1241048180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Along with his Sense of Humour Lobe and the Intelligence cortex. < 1241048182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it did before I met you < 1241048183 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Maybe you know that people in general think he's batshit insane < 1241048196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: He's right you know, though. Everyone who likes git is inherently a fanboy. < 1241048214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I haven't really tracked the general opinions about him. So I have no clue if that is sarcasm or not. < 1241048218 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh noes < 1241048230 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, people do. < 1241048267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it's like ais523 a few days ago (yesterday? or day before that?). He quoted jwz. He didn't know jwz was one of the developers of Netscape < 1241048273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes he did. < 1241048279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I didn't < 1241048280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just didn't know that jwz meant Jamie Zawinski. < 1241048281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, go read logs then. < 1241048283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh. < 1241048284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1241048289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression you did know < 1241048294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly common knowledge < 1241048298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike ulrich drepper < 1241048299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, read logs. Before you talk < 1241048306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hypocrite < 1241048307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a metal guitarist's name btw < 1241048308 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that is relevant to anything at all? < 1241048310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Oh fuck off. < 1241048324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you always complain when I don't read fully or misunderstood < 1241048330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet you do the same yourself < 1241048332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241048341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tip of the Day: On the list of things I care about, AnMaster whining that I'm so unfair to him comes in rock bottom. < 1241048367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not "whining". I'm just stating a fact. < 1241048373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That you are a hypocrite. < 1241048381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. Yes. You're stating a fact in an incredibly whiney way. < 1241048387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1241048398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NO I'M NOT BEING WHINY! HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF BEING WHINEEEEEEEEEY" < 1241048412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, who are you quoting. < 1241048415 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is a good opportunity to sleep for some 10 hours < 1241048417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/ < 1241048421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, cya < 1241048421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Bye < 1241048447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I really regret I provided that description of how cfunge bounds work to you. < 1241048466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If you didn't have I could always have read the source and wantonly violated the GPL3. < 1241048482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well you could. I doubt you would have. < 1241048493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You think I care about copyright law...? < 1241048509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, No. I think you would have reacted in same way as for hsfunge source. < 1241048515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite early on < 1241048523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read cfunge source before. < 1241048527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's shit code but I can read shit code. < 1241048534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not since I started using inline asm. < 1241048538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't shit code. < 1241048549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can read asm, albeit slowly. < 1241048550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it isn't your preferred indention style. < 1241048555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241048570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your code would give k&r a heart attack < 1241048585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure. I'm using C99 as you very well know. < 1241048601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I'm using a different indention style yes. < 1241048616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the k&r indention style at all < 1241048621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoosh < 1241049048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, your use of that word all the time makes no sense. < 1241049063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is some compulsive behaviour. < 1241049070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's funny, because I use it to exactly mark you missing the point entirely. < 1241049077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardly surprising, then. < 1241049085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You miss your missing of the point. < 1241049114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, seems highly non-standard. Checked urban dict. < 1241049119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and google define < 1241049131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with varying number of o) < 1241049144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is onomatopoeic < 1241049151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I found out that < 1241049154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for blowing or wind < 1241049160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"joke going over your head" is highly idiomatic. < 1241049174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whoosh" is the internet-created shortening. < 1241049199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "going over your head" I know of yes. < 1241049207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how does it end up as "whoosh" < 1241049219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I see nothing large has ever gone over your head. < 1241049225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you're deaf < 1241049235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1241049254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you were in a vacuum at the time < 1241049330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you still doesn't make sense. I guess you are trying (and failing as usual) to be funny < 1241049334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1241049337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at all. < 1241049347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm forced to assume that if you < 1241049348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how ais523 can stand you. It's strange. < 1241049354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1241049356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ve really never heard the "whoosh" sound of air as something goes over your haed, < 1241049358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*head < 1241049361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you live in a faraday cage. < 1241049377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean low flying bird for example? < 1241049380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1241049388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. If that's the only thing that flies in the air in Sweden. < 1241049402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, aircrafts usually fly a lot higher < 1241049421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I don't stand under one a few meters above < 1241049487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway it isn't called "whoosh" in Swedish. I don't think I ever heard a name for it. < 1241049518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wind. then the verb is "viner" < 1241049551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for the noun, "ett vinande ljud" (a whooshing (from wind) sound I guess) < 1241049560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound,* < 1241049587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you seem to assume everyone have near native English knowledge.