< 1241740846 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1241740854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wut < 1241740948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1241740954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a bsd with binary pkgs? < 1241741013 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them < 1241741022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? Even Open? < 1241741029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you still have to use ports, though? < 1241741035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose there may be frontends < 1241741042 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=pkg_add&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD%20Current&arch=i386&format=html < 1241741054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1241741059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does bsd have anything similar to lvm? < 1241741060 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww < 1241741067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: wha < 1241741068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1241741078 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it was total skill that my eww was exactly as long as your comment < 1241741083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w at < 1241741172 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing. btw mah raytracer. http://67.223.225.106/tasd/ < 1241741189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : On the twelfth day, the LORD created cheap VM creation. And it was good. <<< No, that was on the zeroth day. You don't seriously think he would run us without sandboxing? < 1241741277 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has been discovered a new and wonderful form of poetry! :o < 1241741290 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its esoteric in its delightfulness :x < 1241741293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1241741323 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, you dont like my inelegant use of the there+passive? dont give me your grammar nazism! < 1241741344 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apostrophe. DISQUALIFIED < 1241741346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the poetry. < 1241741351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he meant angkor wat. that's where it was discovered, right? < 1241741360 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1241741378 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the discoverers were eating soup from that very area when the reporters arrived < 1241741380 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were like < 1241741382 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241741385 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1241741405 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a text in language A. spell check it as if it's language B. then translate the text from language B into language A. < 1241741436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thhhe, were eating poetry < 1241741436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : drinking tea from that < 1241741437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : discover < 1241741439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : e < 1241741441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : r < 1241741443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : s < 1241741445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : area where it was discover- < 1241741447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -ed < 1241741449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1241741451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVANT GARDE < 1241741458 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-c-c-c-c-c-poetry breaker < 1241741461 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh very, ehird < 1241741464 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very avant garde :p < 1241741466 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1241741469 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Together lord. < 1241741469 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The oil problem is, lead away I switch languages in Misheard 2000 (wedge mouthguard does automatically hen I switch keyboard lay-outs), mouthguard bugs me bolt the facet that dinner table slow is note supporter Bi the game crazier, Belause {name} mouthguard haircut bone install. And let me count ouch, that is far point of attachment. < 1241741488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that's far too coherent for that process surely < 1241741494 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1241741504 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was English-as-Dutch -> English < 1241741514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241741516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so similarish words < 1241741517 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there were preexisting similarities < 1241741555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I KILL THE < 1241741555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE SHOULD JAPANESE < 1241741556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you try < 1241741558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(view monospaced) < 1241741596 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont be racist ehird < 1241741607 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you left out koreans and other slanteyes < 1241741607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: hey that's just one strand of reading! < 1241741609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try other swoops < 1241741619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE you SHOULD KILL THE JAPANESE < 1241741622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE I SHOULD try JAPANESE < 1241741622 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I love having a monospaced IRC client < 1241741628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1241741630 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but :\ reading it horizontally doesn't make sense < 1241741634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE you SHOULd try JAPANESE < 1241741635 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have a double meaning < 1241741641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: yeah I tried that at first < 1241741658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're gonna have to slap the dirty little Jap < 1241741677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey I used to be a < 1241741677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SPIRAL< < 1241741678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : then I < 1241741686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm all about meaningless furor as art. < 1241741727 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spiral, you say? http://www.onemanga.com/Uzumaki/ < 1241741727 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaningless führer < 1241741734 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(start at chapter 1) < 1241741759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean english führer < 1241741781 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1241741791 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same guy who made Enigma of Amigara Fault < 1241741995 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241742034 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241742301 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone ever tried to read finnegans wake? < 1241742385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first few pages < 1241742430 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its less comprehensible than the dutch-english thing from above < 1241742448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241742454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :riverrun, past Eve and Adam's < 1241742477 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk! < 1241742486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three quarks for muster mark < 1241742531 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heaven hell murray gell-man < 1241742539 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who i would guess has read the thing full through < 1241742613 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fwomp. < 1241742646 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brékkek Kékkek Kékkek Kékkek! Kóax Kóax Kóax! Ualu Ualu Ualu! Quaouauh! < 1241742770 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've flipped through it < 1241743115 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnegan's Wake wiki, by the way: http://www.finnegansweb.com/wiki/index.php/Page_3 < 1241743142 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annotated with wiki tools < 1241743152 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1241743165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analyzing it destroys it. < 1241743215 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: beat you by two and a half years on that point :P http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=202042&cid=16540372 < 1241743257 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... it's been a long time, internet. < 1241743269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006 ain't long ago < 1241743281 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels like it < 1241743288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. I was an idiot in 2006. < 1241743313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :started netting in '98. so... about 9 years to become unstupid < 1241743587 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im listening to a reading of finnegans wake < 1241743589 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrrr < 1241743593 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is read with an irish accent < 1241743595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrg < 1241743615 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and im almost willing to believe that if this was read with a very thick accent, itd actually be readable < 1241743642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea: Finnegans Wake... sung! < 1241743691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*70s sort of rock, think Led Zepplin* Riverrun, past Eve and Adam's yeah/From swerve of shore to bend/Of bay, brings us by/A commodius vicus/Of recirulation back to Howth Castle/aaand Enviro-ons < 1241743693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*solo* < 1241743700 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe joyce was just illiterate and couldnt spell :o < 1241743866 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnegans wake is very reminiscent of the output of a markov chain model of english sentences < 1241743922 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could construct some sort of grammatical model of english and have it generate random sentences that are wake-esque :o < 1241743967 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a CxG model < 1241744058 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1241744554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://toastytech.com/guis/winvistawin101.png < 1241744581 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck < 1241744595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Windows 1.01 Vista! < 1241744603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1.0 < 1241744612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no 1.01 < 1241744822 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241744826 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241744841 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1241744867 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file:///home/gregor/codu/public_html/imgs/win3plusplus.png < 1241744873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: FAIL < 1241744874 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241744900 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8 < 1241744981 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241744990 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, so that was stupid. < 1241745003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers if you could use compiz-fusion + dmenu for a minimalist environment < 1241745016 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what wsa stupid? < 1241745019 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/imgs/win3plusplus.png // what I meant to link. < 1241745023 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: file:///home/gregor/codu/public_html/imgs/win3plusplus.png < 1241745024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:07 GregorR: file:///home/gregor/codu/public_html/imgs/win3plusplus.png < 1241745049 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehehe < 1241745060 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, go look at http://codu.org/imgs/win3plusplus.png :P < 1241745064 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw. clicky link clicks nowhere < 1241745065 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was relevant to http://toastytech.com/guis/winvistawin101.png < 1241745071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toasty tech has shit like that too, yeah < 1241745077 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/var/www/ ftw < 1241745093 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: This is just my hg clone < 1241745127 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241745131 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Moka5 thingy for Win 3.1 < 1241745132 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, that is, that file:// path is just an hg clone < 1241745136 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know how legal it is < 1241745143 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Moka5"? < 1241745155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MokaFive LivePC Engine makes use of VMware Player as a virtualization platform, but includes additional features such as automatic updates of virtual machines, streaming and caching of virtual machine images, integrated backup, hardware-accelerated 3D graphics support, and zero install when running from a USB drive.[1] < 1241745156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1241745199 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that people are supposed to see as weird in my screenshot is that it's Firefox and bash running on Windows 3 :P < 1241745217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1241745221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not too interesting :P < 1241745223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been there done that < 1241745223 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And being in NT351 < 1241745224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, see nthat. < 1241745225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*seen that < 1241745236 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, you people are too smart :P < 1241745462 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241745466 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241745496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, it seems likely that Arch is the distro for m < 1241745497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1241745510 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORLY? I've never tried Arch. < 1241745518 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Summarize its advantages in one IRC line :P < 1241745553 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Using Debian as a base for comparison if necessary) < 1241745577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it doesn't mod upstreams much, large amount of user-contributed packages, friendly & big community, it's minimalist, and yet you can still install big glob suites with one command, the package manager seems alright, and it has 64-bit binaries and all that < 1241745604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared with debian: mods upstreams less, seems to be generally more oriented to fixing things at upstream instead of patching downstream < 1241745622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is generally more minimal < 1241745643 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Debian makes sometimes-significant modifications to upstream, meaning that sometimes the Debian version is actually quite a bit different than upstream. < 1241745654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241745661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind value-add stuff, I just don't want it by default < 1241745662 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example: netpbm sucks on Debian, I always install it manually :P < 1241745672 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, my example is a value-subtract. < 1241745677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1241745684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upstream's for me, and arch is similar enough to debian that I can probably just use it as a lean, mean Linux universe machine < 1241745691 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okidoke. < 1241745708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it in a vm if you want < 1241745730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: oh, and rolling release, which I don't actually care about < 1241745738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolling release works better when you don't mod upstream ofc < 1241745748 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1241745764 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of curiosity, does Arch work on any non-x86alike platforms? < 1241745777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i686 and x86_64 only, it seems. < 1241745800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: The only things I'd consider running a non-x86 on is embedded stuff, though. < 1241745809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for embedded stuff I wouldn't use a full linux distro :-) < 1241745813 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, just curious. < 1241745817 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Angstrom = Awestrom < 1241745920 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chrome 3D button disappeared < 1241745921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Oh, and, Arch uses a BSD-style init. < 1241745921 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1241745925 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1241745930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Runlevels, you understand. And whatnot. < 1241745938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc/rc.conf pointing to shit in /etc/rc.d/. < 1241745943 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's interesting. < 1241745944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's simple. I like that. init.d is confusing. < 1241745955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/FAQ#Q.29_What_exactly_is_this_.27BSD-style.27_init_framework_I_keep_hearing_about.3F < 1241746036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Arch's community seems to generally prefer throwing text around instead of big anti-unix environments. < 1241746041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can work with either, but minimalism is nice. < 1241746049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if I _do_ need something to fill up that 12GB ram. < 1241746070 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i has a 12 gb of ram < 1241746082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: mine's faster ;-P < 1241746099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: competing against my own rig is hard, don't make me :P < 1241746231 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what to put on this new box < 1241746245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Arch? :-P < 1241746249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a BSD. < 1241746258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Well, a linux helps, for the LVM alignment stuff. < 1241746261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to do that on BSD. < 1241746365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /.\0/,\,0,\,1//.\1/,\,1,\,0//,\,/.//.//.0.1.1.0 < 1241746365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I'm not sure where you'd put the mechanical HD, though. /home would put dotfiles on it defeating the point. ~/stuff as the mechanical HD is a bit inelegant. < 1241746365 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01101001 < 1241746413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /.\0/,\,0,\,1//.\1/,\,1,\,0//,\,/./.0.1.1.0 < 1241746414 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.0.1.1.0.1.0.0.1 < 1241746416 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ~/media, with symlinks at ~/music, ~/porn, ~/movies < 1241746431 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241746435 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241746444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what about source code? it's not media, but do you want to hammer the SSD with those writes? I guess it's just me being paranoid :-P < 1241746456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I'm generally suspicious of symlinks, it may be the best solution in that case. < 1241746460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*while I'm < 1241746487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,1,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\//***/.//.0 < 1241746487 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01101001 < 1241746503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,1,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\//*******/.//.0 < 1241746503 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01101001100101101001011001101001100101100110100101101001100101101001011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001 < 1241746519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. Bye. bsmntbombdood: if you want to ask me something or whatever, do it in /msg so it sticks out tomorrow :P < 1241746545 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean you don't have a script to show you highlights in a different window? < 1241747014 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a script? < 1241747428 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241747547 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION boggles < 1241747657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\//***/.//.0 < 1241747658 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01001 < 1241747663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\//****/.//.0 < 1241747663 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01001010 < 1241747998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/+\\+\/=\\=.\\0-\/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\//****/.//++.0.1 < 1241747998 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==01001010-0100101001001 < 1241748079 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the quickest way from 0 to Sha1 sum in C? < 1241748109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/+\\+\/=\\=.\\0-\/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\/\/=\\=\/+\\+\//****/.///-/\\\\///0/1//1/\*/++.0.1 < 1241748109 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/++01,,==0101001001010010100100101001001 < 1241748117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erp < 1241748170 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1241748178 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241748188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/+\\+\/=\\=.\\0-\/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\/\/=\\=\/+\\+\//****/.//++.0.1 < 1241748189 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++01-010-01001-01001010-0100101001001 < 1241748284 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\/\/+\\+\/=\\=.\\0-\/\/=\\=\/+\\+\//****/.//++ < 1241748285 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++0-01-010-01001- < 1241748297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\/\/+\\+\/=\\=.\\1-\/\/=\\=\/+\\+\//****/.//++ < 1241748297 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++1-0-01-010- < 1241748365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\/\/+\\+\/=\\=.\\1-\/\/=\\=\/+\\+\//****/.///+\+///-/\//++ < 1241748378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\/\/+\\+\/=\\=.\\1-\/\/=\\=\/+\\+\//****/.///+\+///-/\/\//++ < 1241748379 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10010 < 1241748392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\/\/+\\+\/=\\=.\\1-\/\/=\\=\/+\\+\//****/.///+\+///-/=/++ < 1241748393 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1=0=01=010= < 1241748417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\/\/+\\+\/=\\=.\\1-\/\/=\\=\/+\\+\//****/.///+\+///-/=/++.1 < 1241748418 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1=0=01=010=01001 < 1241748424 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to do? < 1241748428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fibonacci < 1241748448 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O < 1241748496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\/\/+\\+\/=\\=.\\1-\/\/=\\=\/+\\+\//****/.///+\+///-/\\\\/++.1 < 1241748496 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100101001001 < 1241748510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\/\/+\\+\/=\\=.\\1-\/\/=\\=\/+\\+\//****/.///+\+///-/\\\//++.1 < 1241748510 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0/01/010/01001 < 1241748514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241748565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /!/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\/\/+\\+\/=\\=.\\1-\/\/=\\=\/+\\+\//!!!!/.///+\+///-/\\\///0/1//1/*/++.1 < 1241748566 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/*/**/***/***** < 1241748591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /!/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\/\/+\\+\/=\\=.\\1-\/\/=\\=\/+\\+\//!!!!!!!!!!/.///+\+///-/\\\///0/1//1/*/++.1 < 1241748591 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/*/**/***/*****/********/*************/*********************/**********************************/*******************************************************/***************************************************************************************** < 1241748649 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: huh? < 1241748783 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: What's the least-overhead SHA-1 library. < 1241748816 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I want to toss one into something I'm writing, without also including MD5, SHA-bleh, MD4, MD-insecure, ...) < 1241748823 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy-paste the code from the SHA submission < 1241748869 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I ended up doing :P < 1241748871 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s lame though :P < 1241749548 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1241749583 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241750026 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we don't know how to do infinite loops in ///, it does seem like it is much easier to do computations involving bounded looping < 1241750069 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAIN B BUS UNDERVOLT < 1241750194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there are other obstacles, that should be enough to allow the equivalent of primitive recursion < 1241750310 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a programming language that is literally impossible to program in. < 1241750349 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already have those < 1241750363 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :astrosteve: 700zm means that a spellbook is either cancellation or < 1241750365 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241750371 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid c-p < 1241750373 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dangermouse.net/esoteric/ < 1241750533 0 :WangZeDong!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1241750607 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-95-111.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1241750746 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I'm not sure that even in real life I could talk the way ehird types. I don't speak in series of phrases; I say entire sentences at once. < 1241750758 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not. You know how unreliable introspection is. < 1241750781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all, _my_ introspection is utterly flawless. < 1241750999 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're a self-improving artificial intelligence. < 1241751015 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION locks oerjan in a Yudkowsky Box and submerges him under ten feet of seawater. < 1241751035 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this won't block sound all that well. < 1241751036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GACK* *SPUTTER* ... < 1241751075 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. I'm not allowed to let you out until this emergency meeting I've called concludes that it's safe to do so. < 1241751096 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything will be very expeditious; you should be on dry land within 15 minutes if everything goes well. < 1241751194 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241751227 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241751747 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, details? < 1241751756 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm putting it up on the wiki now. < 1241751761 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1241751991 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/ShaFuck < 1241752022 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so stupid it's stupid! :P < 1241752088 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to bruteforce a Hello world? < 1241752102 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, some programs might not even be writable in that < 1241752107 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1241752115 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is SHA-1 160 bits? < 1241752117 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1241752136 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Oh, because the SHA-1 sums of 1024 bytes may or may not cover every possibility, right. < 1241752148 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I chose such a large number in hopes that it would be "enough" *shrugs* < 1241752178 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of sha-1 sums might result in code that would be valid if it were not for comments < 1241752185 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easing the comment restriction might help < 1241752229 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easing the comment restriction would make it trivial. < 1241752235 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would just have to find eight sequences. < 1241752462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(8/256)^20 ~ 8e-31 < 1241752560 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, that IS an interesting statistic :P < 1241752591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, something like several million years to find a single legal program with a current CPU? < 1241752600 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1241752604 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241752641 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241752667 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241752702 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241752798 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241752832 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241753327 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be easier if I interpreted every 3 bits as a BF operation? That way everything would hash to valid BF, and it would be a problem of finding isomorphic BF ... which is probably still totally impossible :P < 1241753481 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are we talking about? < 1241753501 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/ShaFuck < 1241753532 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it should then be possible to find actually syntactically correct programs < 1241753580 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, then it would be /im/possible to find /non/-syntactically-correct programs :P < 1241753593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still have to match [] < 1241753604 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touché < 1241753610 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1241753622 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's _that_ difficult to write in < 1241753635 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor, deluded bsmntbombdood :P < 1241753652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: as currently written, the main problem is the comment prohibition < 1241753665 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there are still other ways of nopping < 1241753679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no < 1241753697 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other ways of nopping, but even they would be nearly impossible to find. < 1241753716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is it takes millions of years to find a program whose SHA-1 contains only bf commands < 1241753735 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only (8/256)^20 sequences are valid /at all/. Even finding one that's valid would take millenia. < 1241753748 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like he said :P < 1241753751 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use the ascii-encoded brainfuck, sure < 1241753768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the new 3 bit suggestion < 1241753788 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would still be nigh-on impossible, because those nopping isomorphisms are still pretty darn rare :P < 1241753818 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling you will be able to get it down to ~60 bits of complexity per block < 1241753830 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Feel free :P < 1241753845 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you will be able to produce shafuck at a rate of like 1 instruction per week < 1241753854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think any program which contains [] has a hard time being a nop < 1241753938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now 20 bytes = 160 bits, which isn't divisible by 3 < 1241753979 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but discarding one bit, 53 commands < 1241753999 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, yes, discarding the last bit. < 1241754011 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, I didn't agree to that, I'm just presenting it as a thought experiment :P < 1241754043 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6/8)^53 ~ 2.4e-7, so it's not that hard to find something not containing [] < 1241754058 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it would probably be more interesting to use something like md5 or even md4 < 1241754073 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More interesting as in more possible to write. < 1241754080 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241754081 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wasn't aiming for something that could actually be written :P < 1241754093 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use sha1, your only option is brute force < 1241754105 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That we know of ;) ) < 1241754115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you probably want to avoid ., as well, for most building blocks < 1241754141 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely. < 1241754157 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a PITA to make nops out of +-<>, it's almost impossible to make nops out of .,[] < 1241754166 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how many different combinations of 21 +'s and 21 -'s are there? < 1241754169 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, it is impossible to make nops out of ,.) < 1241754170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4/8)^53 ~ 1.1e-16 < 1241754197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with +-<> the whole becomes a kind of vector problem < 1241754226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add something to a number of cells, shift some amount < 1241754244 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two with opposite shifts can nullify < 1241754280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then linear algebra to find something which +- only one cell < 1241754300 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to make it complicated < 1241754302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should be possible with enough of those < 1241754311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, this is not making it complicated < 1241754333 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Actually it is, you can just /run it/ to see what it modifies :P < 1241754349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er i'm not talking about single programs < 1241754357 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1241754368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about using linear algebra to combine blocks into something with a simpler effect < 1241754369 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you wanted them to be clean /within/ a single chunk. < 1241754370 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1241754392 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrr < 1241754412 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many combinations of 21 +'s and 21 -'s are there? < 1241754430 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought that was rhetorical. < 1241754432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have <> then those cancel, you know < 1241754470 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: no, given that you have an easy upper bound for complexity < 1241754485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 over 21, or 42!/(21!*21!) iirc < 1241754487 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like 21! I'd guess, but I don't know. < 1241754496 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently oerjan knows :P < 1241754510 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Uh, 42/21 is 2 :P < 1241754512 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the log_2 of that? < 1241754517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is factorial < 1241754540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over is not division, but binomial coefficient < 1241754547 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1241754568 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, 38.9 < 1241754665 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :160 - log((2 * 42!/(21!*21!))) = 120 bits < 1241754687 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ 3 bits for the instruction < 1241754699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and given control over +-<>, you can probably find a program that contains only those plus a single .,[ or ] < 1241754743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think this might be doable < 1241754964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4^52 * 53)/(8^53) ~ 1.47e-15, so that is somehow slightly easier than a pure +-<> program - this cannot be right < 1241755076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe it is < 1241755177 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the long story short is "you're screwed" < 1241755185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1241755263 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is a bit of programs to search for < 1241755411 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 680,272,108,843,537 sequences. < 1241755448 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's only 7 days at 1 BILLION sequences per second :P < 1241755475 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At a more reasonable 1 million sequences per second, that's 22 years. < 1241755477 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only 50 bits < 1241755486 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy sauce with dedicated hardware < 1241755504 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND you only have to do it 8 times, and you can then just compose blocks < 1241755546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure about that 8 times < 1241755561 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you need to add some sort of chaining of blocks to prevent that < 1241755591 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Note that this concept is only pseudotractable IF I make it use 3-bit operations, which I'm not going to. < 1241755592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1241755599 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: With 8-bit operations, it's not even remotely tractable. < 1241755605 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1241755621 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's kinda dumb not to allow comments < 1241755635 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I did allow comments, it would be trivial! The whole idea is for it to be IMPOSSIBLE :P < 1241755640 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1241755652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, if you allow comments it becomes trivial yeah < 1241755715 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(248^19 * 20)/(256^20) ~ 0.042 < 1241755728 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stupid to make it completely impossible < 1241755732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's to search for something equivalent to a single command < 1241755742 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more interesting just to require an immense, but practical computational load to write < 1241755779 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: And you think that the 3-bit variety is immense but practical? < 1241755790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you used 3 bits plus chaining, it might become just about right? < 1241755798 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chaining"? < 1241755819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood's word < 1241755823 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: so the same block has a different meaning depending on where you put it < 1241755837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it means so that you cannot append found blocks easily < 1241755854 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would do that by ...? < 1241755876 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a block that hashes to '+nopnopnopnop...', '-nopnopnopp...' etc, you can just put them together without any work < 1241755905 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Yeah, but I still find it EXTREMELY unlikely that you'll ever find those :P < 1241755927 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't find such a block < 1241755932 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every nop in BF takes two operations < 1241755961 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: We've already been over that, they're claiming it's (just barely) tractable, I'm not convinced. < 1241755991 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ascii version isn't < 1241756003 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Right, yes, the 3-bit version) < 1241756021 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually, you could get an odd-numbered nop, but it will erase some part of the memory < 1241756035 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about this: The hash of each 1024-byte block is taken to be the hash of everything in the file up to and including that block? < 1241756058 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, something like that < 1241756059 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more fun < 1241756084 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I made it 4-bit, with the fourth bit allowing comments, that would be waaaaaaaaaay too easy, right? < 1241756120 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do that and only use 60 or so bits of the hash, and you have system that trivial to interpret but very hard (but still possible) to write < 1241756123 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like hash cash < 1241756176 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, the whole joy was that it was just plain impossible to write X-P < 1241756178 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joy for me X-P < 1241756230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if the fourth bit _disallowed_ comments instead? < 1241756250 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not interesting if it's impossible < 1241756267 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm going to sleep one way or another. < 1241756269 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO TAKE THAT < 1241756663 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1241756710 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-12-191.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1241757847 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241757867 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241757874 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241758172 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1241760597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1241762708 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, about that sonic computer. < 1241762728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computer that uses Sonic for computation? < 1241762732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spiffy. < 1241762742 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'night... time to think up a new precedence system for Agora < 1241762756 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No precedence. < 1241762759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NONE! < 1241762770 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, a computer that uses sound for computation. < 1241762773 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone's a winner! < 1241762773 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure what the game state would devolve to after that) < 1241762787 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots and lots of Paradox wins, I expect < 1241762819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'd get Canada to win by paradox somehow. < 1241762832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1241762838 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I a member of Canada's basis? < 1241762856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you Canadian? < 1241762859 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241762870 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up the Wikipedia article on phonons... time to boggle < 1241762870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then yes, you are. < 1241762883 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moot point unless you can get Canada to join Agora, though. < 1241762889 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders /// code to escape stuff < 1241762909 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replace / and \ with a and b, replace a and b with \/ and \\. < 1241762931 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'll want to have guards as well. < 1241763003 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /#\//a//#\\/b//a/\///b/\\//#//it's #/#/#\#\ < 1241763004 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's < 1241763014 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION applauds < 1241763020 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's not required to be a player to win < 1241763030 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though getting Canada to be a person would be tough < 1241763048 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /#\//a/d/#\\/b/d/a/\//d/b/\\/d/#//it's #/#/#\#\ < 1241763049 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddddit's < 1241763055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, we could probably get the definition of "player" changed. < 1241763061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person, though? < 1241763076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's already a non-first-class person, right? < 1241763167 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /##\//a/d/##\\/b/d/a/\//d/b/\\/d/#//it's ##/##/##\##\ < 1241763167 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddddit's < 1241763176 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr. < 1241763360 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /##\//a/d/##\\/b/d/a/\//d/b/\\/d/#//it's ##/##/##\##\ abba < 1241764268 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1241764925 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241765015 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1241766103 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241768294 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohnoslashes < 1241768418 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sonic computers reminded me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay_line_memory#Acoustic_delay_lines which are an awesome idea... I mean, just compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mercury_memory.jpg with a boring DIMM memory chip. < 1241768629 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got back from Star Trek < 1241768973 0 :WangZeDong!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-47-98.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1241769109 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241769599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1241769600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1241770015 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241771584 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1241772394 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1241772523 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241773170 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241773594 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-7-207.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1241774320 0 :WangZeDong!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241774988 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/0905.0740 < 1241776613 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html < 1241777062 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-136-138.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1241777163 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1241777229 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello mona < 1241777300 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spèce de scélérat < 1241777319 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: rotfl < 1241777327 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toi-même < 1241777338 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'est pas vrai ! < 1241779093 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241779175 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241779433 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i just got back from Star Trek < 1241779439 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1241779442 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: And is it as godawful as the commercials make it out to be? < 1241779446 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1241779450 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was wonderful < 1241779452 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some respects < 1241779455 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured it couldn't be that bad. < 1241779459 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plot was thin < 1241779466 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it takes place in an alternate universe < 1241779474 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1241779476 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241779478 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that aside < 1241779487 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vision of the star trek universe is quite nice < 1241779836 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat66.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1241779844 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1241779857 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know which was the first 2D programming language? < 1241779877 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge i suppose < 1241779878 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was Befunge < 1241779928 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1241780171 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange that Befunge wasn't mentioned on usenet until 1996 < 1241780226 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an eso mailing list < 1241780237 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which probably saw most of the discussion < 1241780255 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Mailing lists. < 1241780283 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was invented in 1996 < 1241780297 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Later the Befunge Mailing List evolved into the Esoteric Topics Mailing List, and the word began to be used to describe this kind of language. " < 1241780310 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language < 1241780394 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.sange.fi/archive/ goes only as far back as 2001 < 1241780468 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=funge-list has a tiny amount of stuff < 1241780477 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now reading about Biota from 1991 < 1241780516 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to check if Corelife (April 1993) was predated by any other 2D languages. < 1241780525 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the wiki puts it: "Befunge was preceded in 1991 by a similar but less featureful language Biota, which was designed for experiments in self-reproduction. It was followed soon after, in 1994, by another similar language, Orthagonal, the design of which was spurred by a discussion on alt.folklore.computers." < 1241780576 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it was predated by Biota and possibly Befunge, depending on the month Befunge was released. < 1241780613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Original document September, 1993" says the Befunge-93 spec in Catseye. < 1241780737 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's pretty recent then < 1241780738 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:Calamari has a broken link to a partial archive of the befunge mailing list < 1241780745 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because this september is still going on < 1241780750 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rimshot* < 1241780750 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's all I can find < 1241780800 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs archives should be on the web. < 1241780851 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks :-) < 1241780889 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess Corelife was the second 2D programming language :-) < 1241780894 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the forum, of course, but that's recent: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/forum/subback.html < 1241780922 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The broken link is (was?) a pkzipfixed former broken zip; it was talked here on http://tunes.org/~nef//logs/esoteric/05.11.17 -- I guess it's gone dead again. < 1241780929 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People use that forum? < 1241780933 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, that's how I found it. < 1241780955 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i can upload those maillist archives, if somebody need them. < 1241780957 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we can poke calamari about it if he shows up. < 1241780978 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtve: What do you have? < 1241780999 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i was a subscriber since almost the begining :) < 1241781022 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then please do :-) < 1241781034 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, noted, will do it in a few days. < 1241781052 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather have it on more machines than just yours, it'd be a shame to lose them to a drive crash or something ;-) < 1241781128 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, a bitrot becomes a real problem. i can't find many interesting things on the web which were there, i'm sure. < 1241781151 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, http://esoteric.sange.fi/archive/current is a collection of spam. :p < 1241781172 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually hmm, I've got some FBBI patches which are older than the stuff on sange.fi, I wonder where I got them from < 1241781175 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of offers for millions of dollars. < 1241781216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scratch that, they were from 2003, not the 2000 I thought. < 1241781222 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of interesting things are already on the wiki, but archives do have their value. < 1241781255 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archives give you a linear view of history, wikis give you a flat view of the current state. < 1241781274 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate bitrot :-( < 1241781280 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Looks like both 2006 and 2007 are also all spam. < 1241781292 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF COMMERCIAL!! Why is there a commercial for Emerald Nuts that implies a grizzly death of the three main characters shortly after the commercial ends >_< < 1241781323 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been archiving stuff I find interesting so it isn't lost forever. < 1241781619 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/ShaFuck < 1241784185 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Proclamation of invalidity!" < 1241784576 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, mooz's Befunge pages are gone < 1241784719 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they in the web archive? < 1241784725 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1241784735 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no pics/downloads, of course < 1241784786 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... some pages have pics / zips archived too. < 1241784847 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtve: Exactly how slow is http://frox25.no-ip.org/~mtve/code/eso/bef/chess/ supposed to be? (Or, what interpreter can run it) < 1241784877 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty fast, any sane interpreter should run it well. < 1241784901 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less then a second to response afair < 1241784909 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCBI and FBBI are both going at 45 minutes on the first move, tkbf93 segfaulted :-P < 1241784919 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have other -93 interpreters. < 1241784938 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I asked mooz about that stuff, and he said he has an archive in some non-public place. < 1241784942 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, maybe i forgot something :) i have my own interpreter somewhere near to that < 1241784975 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so you do < 1241784994 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually a link from that page < 1241785009 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the C one offers fast response < 1241785013 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see how it breaks the standard ;-) < 1241785025 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@aurorum10-0.aurorum.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1241785033 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to write it as strict as possible afair < 1241785082 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, Mycology likes it < 1241785104 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what's going on... will have to look into this at some point < 1241785109 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1241786072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241786092 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_r600_700_guide, usable 3D for ATIs "should be just a matter of weeks" < 1241788364 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3efa00-140.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1241788378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1241788381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokoko < 1241788386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokkokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1241788392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1241788396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241788398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have failed < 1241788413 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert harakiri < 1241788450 0 :MizardX-!n=MizardX@aurorum10-0.aurorum.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1241788573 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koko kokko. < 1241788589 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1241788591 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1241788769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :koko kokkoko? < 1241788789 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kokki kokkaa kakkaa < 1241788816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kokoo kokko kokoon. < 1241788829 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we did the kokko-thing here already, though. < 1241788839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we somewhat did. < 1241788885 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho koko kokko < 1241788885 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :koko kokkooko kokkoko kokkoo kokko kokkokokkookkokkokoo < 1241788898 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1241788898 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1241788901 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show cho < 1241788902 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1241788929 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo koko kokko < 1241788930 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :koko kokko oko kokko ko kokko o kokko kokko kokko okko kko ko o < 1241788938 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were those two functions of dubious usefulness. < 1241788941 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show choo < 1241788941 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]+32[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1241788960 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much the same except with a space added between repetitions. < 1241788968 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using syntax elements from both C++ and Haskell feels a bit weird. < 1241789001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just love how C++ uses << and >> for streams < 1241789006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not strictly syntax thing < 1241789016 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitshift the output stream, yes. < 1241789117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true, i guess "hello world" >> cout would be more logical, because right argument tells how much ~ where to shift < 1241789137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how much) ~ (where), that is < 1241789198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cin >> variable makes sense at least < 1241789218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway strongly typed operators are a pretty stupid idea anyway < 1241789223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anywaywayawyw < 1241789237 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose the streams overload <<= and >>= with something fancy? < 1241789252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? < 1241789263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it, not that i've checked < 1241789281 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1241789291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually << and >> already have those semantics < 1241789301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they could just be the same thing < 1241789351 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I don't think they are, though. < 1241789429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure why they would be < 1241789527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cho ososo < 1241789531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho ososo < 1241789532 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ososososoososoo < 1241789535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo ososo < 1241789536 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ososo soso oso so o < 1241789577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo ososo soso oso so o < 1241789577 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ososo soso oso so o soso soso oso so o oso soso oso so o so soso oso so o o soso oso so o soso oso so o soso oso so o oso oso so o so oso so o o oso so o oso so o oso so o so so o o so o so o so o o o o ... < 1241789582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaningful! < 1241789820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was a reverse choo, you could say "o so", and your "meaningful" would be meaningful < 1241789867 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho >,[>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1241789867 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>],[>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>][>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>]>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>],]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>]]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>][<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>]<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>]]>[[.>]<[ ... < 1241789925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what does that do < 1241789935 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which < 1241789940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program < 1241789945 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which program < 1241789951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the* progarm < 1241789952 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about fungot's one < 1241789952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*program < 1241789953 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: meet is simple enough.) indent all of the tail of the list. :p < 1241789967 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I gave to ^cho is cho's source < 1241789979 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What came out; who knows < 1241789991 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It indents all of the tail of the list, I guess. < 1241789991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it's cho's source, i just saw it < 1241789997 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure fungot knows what it's speaking of. < 1241789998 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: on dit fnord, en kerro miten, mutta liittyy fnord ja fnord ilman siihen fnord fnord fnord" < 1241790007 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1241790014 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Stop with the Finnish gibberish. < 1241790014 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice job on ooe on c.l.s. btw this is called " robotron" < 1241790016 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1241790016 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp < 1241790040 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's from #douglasadams@ircnet; we have occasionally lapsed into Finnish there. < 1241790098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suomi fnord fnord kieli < 1241790110 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fnord fnord < 1241790111 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but i don't really know enough about s48's internals to see where i can < 1241790135 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To fnord a fnord you need intimate knowledge of s48's internals. < 1241790181 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How is fnord formed < 1241790181 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i'll go going to work on srfi 44 seems too complicated for too little gain. < 1241790198 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How fnord get fnord < 1241790199 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: pretty much. although regular continuations don't do fnord? ( although i find sdl a bit distasteful. but not enough to actually volunteer to write it < 1241790210 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should make it take the trailing parts of the comment it's replying to as a context, but that would mean I'd have to map back from strings to tokens in a reasonable time. < 1241790726 0 :tombom!i=tombom@82.26.198.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241790924 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1241791086 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1241793205 0 :jix!n=jix@p5B263E8C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241793336 0 :okloduk!n=nnscript@a91-153-122-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1241794126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show cho < 1241794127 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1241794135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show choo < 1241794135 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]+32[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1241794172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you don't turn [-] into set 0? < 1241794174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1241794220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I think esotope-bfc needs a plugin architecture! ;P < 1241794238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you could easily write new optimisations, possibly in some DSL. < 1241794247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe pattern based... < 1241794283 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I only run-length-encode consecutive <>+- (and there's that bug). I don't have a "set" instruction in the bytecode, either, although I guess I could easily have one. Should probably fix at least the bug. < 1241794298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1241794332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm not saying you should implement esotope-bfc in befunge. Just that [-] is so common and easy to do < 1241794349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly [-]+ into set 1 and such < 1241794379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he should write a semi-optimising one in scheme. Just doing the basic stuff. < 1241794399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, why the name "esotope"? < 1241794500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, by the way, I have some other ideas: What if some code snippet is reused a lot. Maybe add an "size optimising" option that tries to "factor out" common code into separate functions < 1241794518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the code snippet is long enough that is < 1241794539 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1241794550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also opens the questions of intrinsics in an extended mode of course. But maybe that is a bad idea... < 1241794575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241794583 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1241794622 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241795011 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1241795035 0 :okloduk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1241795432 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1241795743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what do you think about a DSL like this for an optimising bf compiler: < 1241795745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :match: { loop: { '-', move : (store myvar count), '+', move: (is_equal? -myvar count) } } replace: { set: { offset: (var myvar), value: {get_cell 0}}, set: { offset: 0, value: 0}} < 1241795760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to match [->>>+<<<] into a "move and set old to 0" < 1241795773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/into/and change into/ < 1241795793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs some work < 1241795819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like: the syntax there is a horrible mix of python dicts and scheme) < 1241795975 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Thanks to mtve, some old messages from the Befunge mailing list, includes info on -96 and -97: http://frox25.no-ip.org/~mtve/tmp/bef_maillist_0_520.txt < 1241796023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1241796025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmp < 1241796026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241796028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION saves < 1241796044 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked him about it and he said it saves stuff forever :-P < 1241796053 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more copies is always a good thing :-) < 1241796084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does it contain 97 versikn? < 1241796087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :version* < 1241796119 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It has messages from -96 and -97 where they discuss Befunge. < 1241796123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1241796125 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the -96 and -97 standards. < 1241796130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the specs are in there? < 1241796139 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not since the last message is from June. < 1241796142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1241796146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if -97 ever had a finalized spec. < 1241796169 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that also has stuff on BeGlad and the like, which is interesting. < 1241796170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I also got most of Visual Befunge for Windows actually working." < 1241796171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1241796173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wow < 1241796176 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic might be interested in that stuff, too. < 1241796185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, um why? < 1241796191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he implement some interpreter? < 1241796199 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it's similar to Core Wars. < 1241796202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1241796209 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, at least. < 1241796214 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read any of that yet. < 1241796215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does it explain the team id thing? < 1241796228 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the first thing I grepped for, actually :-) < 1241796230 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, it doesn't < 1241796233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1241796239 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it does, just not under that name < 1241796243 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like said, I haven't read any of it. < 1241796282 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chronefunge: Subject-singularity Time-Travel Befunge! < 1241796288 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris Pressey's idea, originally. < 1241796297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PS. Competition: smallest self-listing prog (but not f****n' emptiness)" < 1241796298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241796311 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks very similar to TRDS. < 1241796346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1241796353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sine in befunge-93? 96? < 1241796359 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sine? < 1241796377 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, an impl of it < 1241796379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2. sine function < 1241796379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241796385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1. postfix calculator < 1241796386 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like -93. < 1241796388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems interesting too < 1241796396 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see chess.bef? < 1241796409 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://frox25.no-ip.org/~mtve/code/eso/bef/chess/ < 1241796434 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why FBBI and CCBI both infinite-loop on it but his Bef93 interp doesn't < 1241796457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, might be due to reflecting on something in 98? < 1241796467 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: In 93 compatibility mode, of course :-P < 1241796475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, don't know then < 1241796527 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I don't either. < 1241796536 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't looked into it in detail yet. < 1241796675 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Befunge-96 all IPs had the same stack < 1241796680 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. shared < 1241796707 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g and p were deprecated, that's interesting < 1241797245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real life needs lazy evaluation... < 1241797278 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Visual Befunge - http://members.home.nl/wimrijnders/bef.htm < 1241797352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no screenshots? < 1241797362 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I just thought of something: Are you sure that you want to have longs as < 1241797362 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the coordinates? I can't imagine anyone having a befunge program more than < 1241797363 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :65000 x 65000." < 1241797368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any vm set up atm. So testing it will be highly messy < 1241797373 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does fungot exceed that? < 1241797374 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that pesky exponential growth!! i'm having too much fun with this guy < 1241797380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the stack? yes < 1241797383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ul < 1241797394 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, Funge-Space. < 1241797407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes the ul stack... in funge-space < 1241797421 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's stored in Funge-Space? < 1241797433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241797440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it grows into negative funge-space < 1241797447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far into it < 1241797452 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1241797453 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure what I set the ^ul stack limit to, it might go below -32768. < 1241797503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that I don't use many far-off coordinates. The ^bf tape is at some row, columns [0, 999] or something equally small. < 1241797591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1241797592 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supported commands: addinterp bf_txtgen daemons delinterp fyb help info kill userinterps 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf16 bf32 bf8 bfbignum boolfuck c chiqrsx9p cintercal clcintercal cxx dimensifuck echo forth glass glypho hello kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor rot13 sadol sceql sh slashes test trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl yodawg < 1241797600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen a < 1241797603 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :39 +++++++++++[>+++++++++>+>><<<<-]>--.>-. [22] < 1241797605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen a < 1241797608 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :39 ++++++++++[>++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>---.>. [95] < 1241797610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241797615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that could be much shorter? < 1241797622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen a < 1241797625 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :39 ++++++++++[>++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>---.>. [18] < 1241797634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the >><< bit I mean < 1241797640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen a < 1241797643 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :39 ++++++++++++[>++++++++>+>><<<<-]>+.>--. [35] < 1241797644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen A < 1241797647 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :35 ++++++++[>++++++++>+>><<<<-]>+.>++. [59] < 1241797650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen A < 1241797652 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :35 +++++++++++[>++++++>+>><<<<-]>-.>-. [33] < 1241797657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241797667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it adds a newline? < 1241797668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241797716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "Get and Put Discouraged in favor of Get-Left, Get-Right, Put-Left and Put-Right" < 1241797723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't some of those in TOYS? < 1241797724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1241797727 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, as I said, g and p deprecated. < 1241797731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241797739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you didn't say anything about TOYS < 1241797740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241797744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was my question < 1241797746 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, "get left/right hand" are stated to have been based on get-left / get-right in Befunge-96. < 1241797759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes... < 1241797767 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They may or may not be the exact same commands. < 1241797774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One-shot Stringmode - Looks useful. <-- is this ' I wonder... < 1241797786 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1241797791 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1241797794 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1241797797 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Grep for 'Edit #2 - Dec 19 1996 Chris Pressey, Cat's-Eye Technologies. < 1241797799 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virut attacked me AGAIN < 1241797801 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You'll find a Befunge-96 spec. < 1241797804 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this time it should be dead for good < 1241797806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1241797809 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :removed all EXE's and DLL's < 1241797812 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Includes descriptions of directives. < 1241797815 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and proceeding with safety to the remaining ones < 1241797827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, \o/ \o/ \o/ < 1241797844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, clean reinstall duh < 1241797847 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Also those instructions. And yes, ' is "One-Shot Stringmode". < 1241797849 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not exactly < 1241797853 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"clean" reinstall is a full format < 1241797859 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would call it "half-clean" reinstall < 1241797889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, full format was what I meant < 1241797903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only keep plain text files, stuff you can manually inspect < 1241797907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1241797911 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can't do a full format < 1241797916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not run as administrator < 1241797917 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much stuff on my hard disk to sort them < 1241797918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the future < 1241797920 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1241797942 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP either offers omnipotent admin or cantdoanything guest < 1241797974 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I have a better antivirus < 1241797976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. I'm pretty sure it has a mode in between called "normal user" or such, instead of "limited user" < 1241797980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe I misremember < 1241797994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that "power user" too < 1241797995 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, on XP SP2 there's either "Admin user" or "Normal/Limited user" < 1241797998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was not very secure < 1241798008 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Grep for "Edit #3", it's from 1996-12-31 and is the final Befunge-96 spec :-) < 1241798021 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've FINALIZED the Befunge-96 spec (because, uh... it's about 2 hours away < 1241798021 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 1997... and anything after that would have to be called "Befunge-97". < 1241798039 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, XP says that there's either "Computer Administrator" mode (Admin mode basically) or "Limited mode" < 1241798045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, I'm 100% sure "power user" mode < 1241798067 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha, holistic deviancy < 1241798072 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best idea ever < 1241798075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the user management thing found in one of them *.msc files < 1241798075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1241798089 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either Power User or Can't-do-Anything-Useful-Other-Than-Use-Apps-Dammit User < 1241798092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hahaha, holistic deviancy <-- in 96 draft? < 1241798097 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: In 96 final < 1241798103 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: What's the FIRST Befunge spec < 1241798103 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't in Edit #2. < 1241798104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241798106 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: 93. < 1241798118 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Drafts do count. < 1241798123 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :93. < 1241798125 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1241798132 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...There's no Befunge-92?! < 1241798136 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I must go BACK IN TIME! < 1241798137 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to my knowledge. < 1241798152 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think -93 came "out of the blue" when Chris released it. < 1241798154 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could be wrong. < 1241798196 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is there any esoteric language that's "top at the moment" here right now? < 1241798200 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Befunge < 1241798203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;$I rand6.bf 42 18 < 1241798203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :; that was a compiler directive to include another .bf source < 1241798204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1241798211 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris sez "I don't think there will be any more major changes" -- 1997-01-23 < 1241798214 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much for that. < 1241798225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, are you going to add a 96 compat mode to ccbi? < 1241798234 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, if it's simple to do. < 1241798245 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't looked at that in enough detail to be able to say if it is :-) < 1241798248 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is there a tutorial on the mess of commands that's called Be(a)funge? < 1241798254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe, if it's simple to do. <-- hey, that's my comment < 1241798256 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No tutorial. < 1241798258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241798271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, what the hell is the "(a)" there for < 1241798288 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1241798294 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there is a Befunge-93 tutorial < 1241798307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, you put the "(a)" there. What did you mean with it < 1241798307 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Befunge-9[678] tutorial. < 1241798363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * $C command constant < 1241798365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is nice < 1241798381 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;$C @ 0 < 1241798384 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops! < 1241798385 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1241798398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stack by a particular extentible null command" < 1241798406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what an "extentible null command" is yet < 1241798414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sound like one not defined by the spec? < 1241798418 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not telling! < 1241798419 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1241798435 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241798444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, about what? < 1241798448 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the (a) < 1241798451 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I want to implement BF for the C64 < 1241798461 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :93 can be done. < 1241798463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it was you being confused then < 1241798473 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241798473 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1241798477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm not so sure, but I suspect 98 could be done. < 1241798477 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C64 doesn't have enough memory for 96. < 1241798478 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh < 1241798482 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 98. < 1241798489 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You break my project. < 1241798494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, um, limited memory of course < 1241798498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1241798503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you remove the 32 bit max it works < 1241798505 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Whatever you assume, I added (a) to make a sentence that I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT MEANS < 1241798508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241798508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :min < 1241798531 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doh, there is already a BF interpreter for the C64 < 1241798533 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lose fingerprints without 32, though. < 1241798542 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a bit of a shame. < 1241798545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, actually you could do it < 1241798550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since funge-space would be sparse anyway < 1241798554 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a birthday demo for Martin Wendt, a true C64 fanatic. It's a multicolour brainfuck interpreter, using the screen RAM for data and code, meaning that you see the code execute and modify itself! < 1241798557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just will get OOM rather fast < 1241798559 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the BF interpreter xD < 1241798568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you can manually do 32-bit numbers with 8 bit ones < 1241798571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have to < 1241798599 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, 80*25 = 2000 * sizeof bytes for a Befunge-93-sized program < 1241798620 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C64 with BASIC FEATURES ON has ~38911 bytes of free memory < 1241798632 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC FEATURES == everything BASIC offers < 1241798642 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you turn BASIC off you get even more memory < 1241798654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, there is an OS with a webserver and web browser for C64 < 1241798656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1241798663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is impossible < 1241798665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hard. < 1241798672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Food time -> < 1241798675 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Where to download it because I am wondering since forever < 1241798682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, download what? < 1241798686 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contiki! < 1241798689 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C64 OS < 1241798690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1241798693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google? < 1241798694 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also GEOS but duh < 1241798700 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, i don't even need it so nah < 1241798714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care a lot about C64 < 1241798728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it is history, and not very interesting history < 1241798832 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1241798845 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also own an Amiga but I don't own hardware to transmit data between PC and Amiga < 1241798851 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Amiga is just... too new for me < 1241798852 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1241798855 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not enough limits < 1241798957 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: DIdn't you work on a DOBELA interpreter? < 1241798965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, he finished it iirc < 1241798966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241799027 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what??? < 1241799050 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...actually, yes, yes he did < 1241799068 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Augh, not only for Linux only, but also 64-bit < 1241799072 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's NO WAI I can test it < 1241799101 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...did I use a very old meme just about now? < 1241799198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none that I know of < 1241799206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though "WAI" sounds meme-y < 1241799213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, but why can't you test it < 1241799247 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Linux < 1241799258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, you could install qemu and emulate 64-bit in case you only have a 32-bit CPU < 1241799260 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure if my Core 2 Quad is 64-bit < 1241799263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and installing linux is easy < 1241799277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, core 2 quad is most likely 64-bit < 1241799281 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already wasted 3 hours today installing XP < 1241799282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 100% sure of intel cpus < 1241799292 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Core 2 Quad IS an intel CPU, doh < 1241799294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, agreed. installing windows is wasting time < 1241799303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, yes... that was what I said < 1241799309 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241799311 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NO WAI is from the same meme as O RLY and YA RLY, thought that you should know < 1241799364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, last time I checked installing linux usually took way less < 1241799372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:14 asiekierka: Core 2 Quad IS an intel CPU, doh < 1241799375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like, uh, 30 minutes? < 1241799378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuuuupid < 1241799400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, good evening < 1241799406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning! < 1241799416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not even in UK is it "morning" now < 1241799420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "afternoon" < 1241799429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ehird time is objectively right. < 1241799431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:34 Deewiant: ehird: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_r600_700_guide, usable 3D for ATIs "should be just a matter of weeks" < 1241799433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am aroused < 1241799446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open source hardware specifications are the best kind of porn! < 1241799455 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Last time I checked installing my favourite distro of Linux usually took about the same time < 1241799495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, which distro is that... < 1241799501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably pclinuxos or something xD < 1241799505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Mandrakeiva! < 1241799507 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Actually, it's SuSe. < 1241799508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, and why aren't you dual booting then already < 1241799512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1241799513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl suse < 1241799514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suse... < 1241799516 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? < 1241799520 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1241799522 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am used to it < 1241799522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Fedora except crappier! < 1241799533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I used suse lots of years ago. And ehird's summary was perfect < 1241799548 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am used to it and I don't want to waste time to learn a bunch of different stuff < 1241799549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went back to slackware after < 1241799592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm having a bit of cognitive dissonance here < 1241799601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain knows I shouldn't like Arch < 1241799605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my mind knows I like it < 1241799611 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: It might work on BSDs too :-P < 1241799613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure it's dangerous to hav ethem out of sync < 1241799666 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it not only might but should work on BSDs and Solaris, though I haven't tested it < 1241799667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:42 Deewiant: "I just thought of something: Are you sure that you want to have longs as < 1241799667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:42 Deewiant: the coordinates? I can't imagine anyone having a befunge program more than < 1241799669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:42 Deewiant: 65000 x 65000." < 1241799670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hohohohohohoho < 1241799675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did we find the 96/97 specs? < 1241799689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes. The mind must be allowed to win, or you risk going mad. And not a good kind of mad (like esolang crazy/mad), but the gibbering lunatic kind of mad. < 1241799695 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 2009-05-08 17:19:35 ( Deewiant) AnMaster: Thanks to mtve, some old messages from the Befunge mailing list, includes info on -96 and -97: http://frox25.no-ip.org/~mtve/tmp/bef_maillist_0_520.txt < 1241799695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, we found 96 at least. < 1241799713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OTOH, I think that consciousness and the mind is merely a byproduct of the brain's process. < 1241799721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the mind thinking something the brain doesn't might cause a metaphysical quantum rip ;-) < 1241799732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so quickly make the brain think the same < 1241799742 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtve said he's digging up more stuff so with any luck we'll have the full archives online sooner or later. < 1241799743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? I'm the mind, I don't have control over it < 1241799755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh hm. < 1241799785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, great < 1241799826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The h "Holistic Deviancy" command pops a value off the stack and uses it as the < 1241799826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holistic Deviancy value for the current program counter (and ONLY the current < 1241799826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC), throughout the entire program. < 1241799827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241799833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is "Holistic Deviancy value" < 1241799836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Forgive me, I've taken the drastic step of subscribing all of you to this < 1241799836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :list, as you've been kind enough to take some interest in Befunge. " < 1241799838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1241799838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1241799840 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Read the next paragraph. < 1241799841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says a bit below < 1241799844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very nice. < 1241799889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, like storage offset, except it offsets the value instead of position? < 1241799890 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't a high-volume list when only that message was there, so I don't think it's very not-nice. < 1241799911 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Kinda. < 1241799946 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storage offset only applies to commands that mess with funge-space; that, as I understand it, applies to execution as well. < 1241800005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is no reflect 180 degree < 1241800005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :operator; but one can be simulated with T@.) < 1241800006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241800008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241800011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like THAT < 1241800013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasty < 1241800021 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. 1H1)G.@ prints 2. < 1241800040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol, it's fun watching people come up with inferior keyboard alternatives to a very mouse operation (clicking links) < 1241800044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, err won't the G turn into a H by then? < 1241800052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it only affect fetches and such? < 1241800055 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, )G becomes 0H. < 1241800066 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is exactly what I intended. < 1241800072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1241800075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1241800083 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Except that H puts the holistic deviancy on stack; you want 'h' instead? < 1241800092 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, right you are. < 1241800103 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gone for a few minutes -> < 1241800328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of limited-memory systems, the TI-86 has mooz's rather nice interpreter/debugger, and that thing has 96 KB of user-accessible RAM. Of course that's befunge93 only. < 1241800420 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge93 isn't much of a memory hog. < 1241800472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As if. < 1241800481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to buy 12GB of RAM to run my befunge-98 mission-critical programs < 1241800485 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, CCBI manages to use 1484 K. < 1241800583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From srcc!crocus!pangea.ca!befunge-request Sat Jan 04 05:02:14 1997 < 1241800585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241800592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241800597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also rather little (can't really remember how little) of RAM that's really designated as "working RAM", since all programs the user installs (and other variables) are stored in the RAM too. Although you can add string variables to the VAT and use their contents as working RAM, and there's some free space you can use if you don't call the ROM function-plotting routines. < 1241800599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't THAT old is it < 1241800603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mailing list < 1241800608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1997? < 1241800611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1241800618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't they have MX records by then? < 1241800626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that got to do with anything < 1241800629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an mbox < 1241800639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh not !-bang path in routing < 1241800650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that too, I think < 1241800660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm pretty sure that is even older < 1241800668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure there's a reason for it < 1241800674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1241800711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Before I make the commitment to design a fully Befung-ctional system for the Mac" < 1241800717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "Befung-ctional" I wonder < 1241800733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional befunge. < 1241800740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a fully functional Befunge" < 1241800743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a fully Befung-ctional" < 1241800749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sound similar < 1241800755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1241800773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such things are easier for native speakers as usuak < 1241800775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usual* < 1241800780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I got an idea for Befunge playing SimCity. Why not envision a Befunge program as a road map of a < 1241800780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :city? Each cell is part of a line of cells in one row or one column, so why not structure them < 1241800780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way?" < 1241800781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1241800786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1241800802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1241800808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that post uses pascal syntax < 1241800815 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1241800819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for describing certain things < 1241800845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: unsurprising < 1241800851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS's official applications language was Pascal < 1241800854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until later on < 1241800878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1241800886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they were different posts < 1241800889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not related < 1241800898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: still could have been a macci < 1241800898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1241800904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241800910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, in 1997 you could use one of: < 1241800912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- windows 95 < 1241800923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- a buggy, hell on earth to configure linux or some sort < 1241800923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway it seems to be describe some kind of run-length compression of funge-space using "streets" < 1241800925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of < 1241800931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- a stable, even more hell to configure bsd < 1241800942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- a quite buggy but easy mac os < 1241800944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err no < 1241800949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty shit choice < 1241800952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it was talking about Modula-2 too < 1241800958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1241800962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't even remember what type of language that was < 1241800967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: first OO < 1241800983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there was NT too < 1241800985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure < 1241800987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1241800990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modula-3 was the first oo < 1241800997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modula-2 was niklaus's pascal successor < 1241800999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, sure < 1241801003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, aha < 1241801011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but that was just windows 95 that's buggy in different ways < 1241801015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has a rubbisher interface < 1241801019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about Solaris? < 1241801024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241801025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SunOS < 1241801026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back then < 1241801028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1241801036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can't afford a Sun box! < 1241801040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things cost *thousands* < 1241801049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1241801082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, found 97 spec yet? < 1241801085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think NT was quite hard to get vs 95 < 1241801090 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Haven't looked. < 1241801101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, in 1997 your best choice was probably a BSD or MacOS < 1241801111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former if you hate yourself :-P < 1241801130 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: In 1997, many would still use DOS. < 1241801131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: how's the order < 1241801146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: True, but probably not by choice... < 1241801156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, wait. < 1241801161 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I used DOS more often than Windows in those days. < 1241801166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could buy a NeXT box in 1997, couldn't you? < 1241801178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, those cost multi thousands too. But if you could afford it, that'd be sweet nectar. < 1241801187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you could, NeXT started in late 80s < 1241801193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wouldn't it have been even more obscure than SunOS? < 1241801201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1997 I was a slackwareist, and it wasn't all that bad, really. < 1241801206 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even break it very many times. < 1241801208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hey, TBL used it to make the web. < 1241801214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was more known then than now. < 1241801223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be kind of like using a BSD today, probably. < 1241801230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on the desktop that is) < 1241801233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, somehow "then than now" just sounds funny < 1241801242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if you say it without context < 1241801248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1996: After NeXT < 1241801248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple Computer announced an intention to acquire NeXT on December 20, 1996 < 1241801262 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeGlad: short for Befunge Gladiators < 1241801264 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The _asm_exec_ram memory range on TI-86 (which is the main place for both code and data for the currently running application) is 9000 bytes; that's rather luxurious, given that the 80x25-byte Befunge93 space only needs 2000. < 1241801266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, forget that < 1241801271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, spec of it? < 1241801284 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was at http://www.cats-eye.com/funge/doc/97/beglad-97.html, according to Google. < 1241801309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cell = Record < 1241801309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Command : Whatever < 1241801309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Next, Prev : ^Cell; < 1241801309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : End; < 1241801316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember what ^ was in pascal < 1241801322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointer? < 1241801322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't coded pascal for *YEARS* < 1241801323 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointer? < 1241801328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that might be it < 1241801341 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more pointy than a *. < 1241801345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'know, Apple were gonna buy BeOS instead of OS X etc. But the CEO said something like "I have Apple by the balls and I am going to squeeze", iirc, so uh that didn't work out :-) < 1241801347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1241801361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be apocryphal I think i heard it on reddit < 1241801388 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't that alternative C++ syntax (SPECS) adopt ^ for pointers because it's more pointy than the old *? < 1241801396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1241801397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPECS is nice. < 1241801460 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the rationale ("^ is more pointy") is not in the specification, though. At least explicitly. < 1241801471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241801471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, err "cabbagepatch variable"? I'm pretty sure I saw it in the -96 spec, but I don't want to loose the location I'm at in the file atm < 1241801500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1241801510 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Err, are you on a single-tasking OS or something? < 1241801515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the first trefunge mention < 1241801518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's called emacs < 1241801525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can open the same file twice in emacs < 1241801525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I don't know what that term means < 1241801526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1241801538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: whoosh! < 1241801546 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-12-132.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241801559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : No results found for "cabbagepatch variable". < 1241801560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1241801579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean: "cabbage patch variable" -> No results found for "cabbage patch variable". < 1241801590 0 :jix_!n=jix@p5B263E8C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241801593 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241801593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean like that < 1241801620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right you can of course get different views of same file in emacs < 1241801629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right found what it meant < 1241801638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Deewiant: fact is however I was using less < 1241801642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so emacs is irrelevant here < 1241801655 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't talking about emacs, I was talking about your OS < 1241801658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^Zup enter /cabbage < 1241801663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, more work < 1241801664 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK less doesn't delete the file while it's viewing it < 1241801664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241801672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, so you'd rather have me do it :-P < 1241801692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you forgot gnu less supports --self-destruct < 1241801704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't have to eat the paper < 1241801705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1241801738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I was hoping you would happen to remember it < 1241801759 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of an alcoholistic delta command. I can see it now: not < 1241801759 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only does the actual number added to each command change, but the program < 1241801759 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :counter weaves around, occasionally hitting things and saying "ow" and < 1241801759 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry, policeman, I'm drot nunk and I spasn't weeding!" < 1241801781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spasn't weeding? I wasn't having spasms while on weed. < 1241801785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right? < 1241801793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this is not trefunge < 1241801798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 3D funge < 1241801808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with collision detection??? < 1241801884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you could add that to a fingerprint in 98 < 1241801899 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of -96 could be a fingerprint in 98. < 1241801905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1241801920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything could be a fingerprint in 98 < 1241801922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh yes this is fun 3D funge < 1241801934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Each pane can have a different instruction on each side. The Program Counter < 1241801934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would follow in a straight line along the surface of the pane. If a pane was < 1241801934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blocking its way in front of it, it would turn upwards and follow it. If there < 1241801934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was no pane to walk onto, it would 'fall' over the edge and either go downwards < 1241801934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :round the corner, or flip upside-down onto the other side of the pane. < 1241801937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241801950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To help you visualise this, imagine a rubik's cube with Befunge instructions drawn on the edges." < 1241802001 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1241802052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hi. I don't get IWC today. Care to provide "IWC explained"? < 1241802068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once i've read it < 1241802190 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's worried about Death of Being Stared At Angrily By A Giant Frog < 1241802206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow so he didn't disappear for good after all < 1241802225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes. But it seems to be referencing something from popular culture < 1241802229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have that feeling < 1241802235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have no idea what it is referencing < 1241802236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your feelings suck < 1241802262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Head Paradox, too, i expect < 1241802267 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1241802274 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1241802367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reboot" < 1241802618 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1241802652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, seems asiekierka disliked your interpreter btw? < 1241802667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie is a fickle person. < 1241802668 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he can't run it I'm not surprised :-P < 1241802699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you could run it even on a sparc I think. Just use qemu's support for emulating other architectures. < 1241802727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming qemu works on non-x86 (which iirc it does) < 1241802738 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you can run it on anything if you emulate, that's the whole point of an emulator. But then you're not really running it on the environment the emulator is running in. < 1241802812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll write my own browser. Why? Indeed, why. < 1241802842 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge is NOT good for: < 1241802843 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Writing an OS. < 1241802843 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Writing a reasonably-sized program. < 1241802843 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Speed-sensitive applications. < 1241802845 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just about anything. < 1241802853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Existing. < 1241802861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't think there is a specific reference anyway, diaries are everywhere in fiction < 1241802870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-96 is a bizarre, half-formed, misfeatured, brain-damaged < 1241802870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard that appears to have been written at 3:00 in the morning. The < 1241802870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard itself was written by Chris Pressey, and appears on his site < 1241802870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see question 5). Do not write in it! Do not bother to implement it! < 1241802875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right. But it seemed more than that < 1241802891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's probably a trope < 1241802897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, do any of you write a diary in real life? Or know someone who does. < 1241802915 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1241802915 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that it took 4 months for people to completely dismiss -96... I'm not going to implement it :-P < 1241802923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems rather uncommon outside fiction... < 1241802928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Blogs. < 1241802939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have pretty much replaced diaries for TEH NU GEN. < 1241802945 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Anne Frank made one, i hear < 1241802956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is less private. a diary is not public like a blong < 1241802958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pfft, like a dirty jew could be clever enough to write < 1241802959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pull the other one < 1241802959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blog* < 1241802964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they couldn't even figure out vowels < 1241802976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though they do have a similar use < 1241802980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: kids are less private. there are probably blogs with details that would be considered only suitable for a diary years ago < 1241803005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... that's probably true < 1241803160 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#if __BORLANDC__ < 1241803171 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the memories. < 1241803208 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C compilers back then were a pile of incompatibilities < 1241803216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1241803216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried PCC (a shareware compiler), but then I realized it is < 1241803216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing STRING.H. I tried Microsoft Quick C, but it does not < 1241803217 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seem to support srand() and rand() commands. < 1241803225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCC was shareware? < 1241803272 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the pcc you're thinking of. < 1241803287 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.desmet-c.com/ < 1241803296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol@not supporting rand < 1241803321 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I support Ayn Rand all the way < 1241803370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so there is some stuff discussing 97 but where is the 97 spec? < 1241803378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on the list as far as I can find < 1241803378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs Slereah. < 1241803379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard. < 1241803388 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you ask me? If it's not there it's not there. < 1241803405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, maybe you found it? < 1241803452 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNGINOMY: The practice of fully naming fungoids (Cartitoribefungoid is the < 1241803453 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :full name for Befunge-93, and it looks like Befunge-97 will be < 1241803453 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cartispheribefungoid. Both implementations are Cartefungoids - Cartesian < 1241803453 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grid space.) < 1241803453 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNGINOMINOMY: The process of coming up with words like "funginomy." < 1241803482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well, this is really sick, but I had a thought.. < 1241803482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a form of encapsulation, making sure that any PC that enters that < 1241803482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :block of code has to do it through the right port (which will global-shift < 1241803482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it correctly) or get fucked up. Otherwise someone could hit it slightly off < 1241803482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and end up skipping vital steps of your process." < 1241803486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure of the context < 1241803487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet < 1241803494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this sounds extremely weird < 1241803505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cartitoribefungoid? < 1241803508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an awesome name for -93 < 1241803520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's -98? :P < 1241803524 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laheybefungoid < 1241803529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241803538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not very funge-soundin < 1241803538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1241803545 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe cartilaheybefungoid < 1241803554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241803555 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I guess it is Cartesian. < 1241803631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1241803634 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Grep for `Here's the list of "what it all means."`, list of very short names/descriptions for Befunge-97 instructions at the time < 1241803637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shark programming language < 1241803652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this might be the start of the idea of storage offset < 1241803658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not 100% sure yet < 1241803660 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :80,25-Cartefinitoribefunge-93. < 1241803696 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Storage offset-related ideas were hashed quite early there, I think. < 1241803715 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody said that a new thread should access relative to where it was born < 1241803729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, any idea of what the thread where you can find this in: < 1241803730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we leave it for "Befunge-97" or perhaps "Befunge-97: The Director's Cut" < 1241803730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("The Truly Twisted Compile?") :-) < 1241803734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1241803741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is that thread about. I can't figure it out < 1241803759 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>Goddess, that's sick. But I think it's sufficiently befunged. < 1241803763 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the context < 1241803765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes < 1241803771 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can work your way back can't you? < 1241803782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I tried but I can't find the start of that thread < 1241803810 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if befunge is to be multiple-PC'ed, you could have the "global" < 1241803810 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :attributes affect only particular PC's (eg, have them as fields in < 1241803810 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC structs). That way, a "global increment" would only affect a particular < 1241803810 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC. < 1241803833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you lot import it into a mail client? < 1241803834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an mbox... < 1241803841 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1241803858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm I guess I could try to open it in mutt < 1241803881 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@99-196-16-139.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241803886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except this mutt is set to work on maildir style mailboxes by default < 1241803906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads the docs < 1241803983 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha, a Java Befunge-93 interpreter which uses strings as indices into a hash table for infinite space < 1241803990 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /*NEED AN OBJECT FOR A KEY ANYWAYS..WHY NOT A STRING?*/ < 1241803999 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return new String(String.valueOf(_x) +","+ String.valueOf(_y)); < 1241804004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEED UPPERCASE COMMENTS..WHY NOT USE TWO-DOT ELLIPSES? < 1241804007 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe because it's a bad idea? :-D < 1241804022 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way he creates 6 strings in one line < 1241804028 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to index a hash table < 1241804060 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: From the mouth of Christopher Lahey himself: cartinfinilahebefunge < 1241804068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Beautiful. < 1241804076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.christopherlahey.com/ ey < 1241804086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ASP.NET Development" < 1241804087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :":-( < 1241804093 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christopher James Lahey < 1241804110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, googling suggests it's not the same person < 1241804128 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting, his name is pronounced /lehi/ < 1241804136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1241804138 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where it's from < 1241804138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laheyyyyyyyyy. < 1241804139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1241804140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241804144 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stress on the first syllable, too. < 1241804152 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hawaii, maybe? < 1241804156 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or thereabouts < 1241804166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hawai'i, y'mean? < 1241804194 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Hawaiʻi < 1241804217 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway: "As prescribed in the Hawaii Admission Act that granted Hawaiian statehood, the federal government recognizes Hawaii to be the official state name." < 1241804231 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off to sauna -> < 1241804262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy Finns ;) < 1241804264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the glottal stop is implicit. Got it. :p < 1241804286 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, before that, pasting this: < 1241804287 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thought on Quantefungoids (Quantum Mechanics): < 1241804287 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about T is like a subatomic particle decay? That is, the PC is split < 1241804287 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :into two PC's (or ip's if that's your cup of tea), one going (relative) < 1241804287 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left, one going right. All delta-commands either PC further encounters are < 1241804290 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listened to IN MIRROR SYMMERTRY BY BOTH PC's. Yes, Quantefunge could be < 1241804292 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first programming language ever to implement spooky action at a < 1241804295 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distance!!! < 1241804317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From: "Chris Pressey" < 1241804318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 < 1241804320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1241804327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241804368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hah indeed < 1241804376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watercooling uses such creepy terms. "Fill and bleed". < 1241804405 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody written a program in ShaFuck yet? :P < 1241804438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats GregorR -----### < 1241804452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what is ShaFuck? < 1241804454 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, don't get mad at me for YOUR incompetence. < 1241804455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: describe? < 1241804459 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/ShaFuck < 1241804463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find sha1(x)=y(bf prog) < 1241804465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :program is x? < 1241804471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when y is interpreted as binary < 1241804473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data < 1241804483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1241804501 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wrote an interpreter and everything! < 1241804508 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nobody's written any code! :( < 1241804511 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not even me :P ) < 1241804543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntax is a little awkward to get just right, you see < 1241804550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, err does it mean interpreter tries to calculate the corresponding program for a sha1 sum? < 1241804577 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If by "calculate" you mean "just run", then yes. < 1241804627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I meant finding a string corresponding to the sum < 1241804645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your 1024 byte program is a string < 1241804646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1241804648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter calculates < 1241804651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sha1(prog) = bf < 1241804654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1241804655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and runs bf as brainfuck, comments not allowed < 1241804657 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there's no math to that. You take the sum, and interpret it as a string. < 1241804665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you haven't realized yet, it's a bit hard to write a program for < 1241804666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1241804671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes that way it is < 1241804681 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "hard" you mean "quite literally impossible within the lifespan of the universe" :P < 1241804681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just didn't figure out which direction it was done < 1241804687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: http://codu.org/eso/ this page is funny < 1241804709 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to work great, but I can never align it right now >_< < 1241804725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a geocities page < 1241804742 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does your FACE. < 1241804745 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 2L :P < 1241804777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, why are you using two layers, it would be easier to just put it inline < 1241804820 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a different color. It would actually be a fair PITA to put it inline. Plus that makes copy/paste useless. < 1241804851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, you need an extra newline before FYB, and then one before ORK < 1241804858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and several before Glass < 1241804878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that it looks fine in konqueror < 1241804895 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah, the problem is that certain browsers were displaying the boldness weird. I'm fixing it now to just not use bold (why did I not do that in the first place? :P ) < 1241804916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION configures the most expensive Mac possible: $87,247. < 1241804918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free shipping! < 1241804927 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, fixed. < 1241804931 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Lawl < 1241804937 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That'd better come with free blowjobs. < 1241804960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, ah you added the missing newlines < 1241804966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, it's an Xserve with $49,995 "Alliance" Apple support, a service part kit, a $18,999 Promise VTrak E-Class 16x 450GB SAS RAID subsystem (7.2TB), an unlimited managed systems remote desktop kit, < 1241804968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bold worked just fine though < 1241804969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the display adaptors, < 1241804971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWO power supplies, < 1241804971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I could see < 1241804978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dual-channel 4gb fibre card < 1241804981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a quad-channel of the same < 1241804983 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, the problem is that /some browsers/ made bold lines take up more space, so things got wonky. < 1241804991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 1TB 7.2k rpm ones with a raid card < 1241804992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 128GB ssd < 1241804994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, those are buggy IMO :P < 1241804999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24GB (6x4GB) ddr3 ecc ram < 1241805000 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yarly X_X < 1241805008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2 x 2.93ghz quad core Nehalem xeons < 1241805018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All for the LOW LOW LOW price of $87,247! < 1241805065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's practically free. < 1241805103 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minus all that price :P < 1241805108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1241805112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a bit of price from free. < 1241805248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This Auction is for 3 x Apple power Mac G3 400Mhz, 128 Ram" for £1.04 on eBay. < 1241805256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn selling shit on ebay is stupid :-P < 1241805308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was trying to find the most expensive mac possible and the least expensive mac possible) < 1241805332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1.56 to $87,247. Apple's covered all the market. < 1241805374 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat67.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1241805492 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1241805556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Best quality organic fertilizer, bovine based" < 1241805621 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "dung" < 1241805634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: sssh < 1241805658 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, you can buy far more expensive computers than that. < 1241805668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Not macs < 1241805681 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: My point being that they haven't "covered all the market" < 1241805682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the singlemost expensive computer you can buy from apple.com < 1241805687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1241805700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: They've covered about 99% of it, then, at least :P < 1241805711 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have some info about CoreLife now, the second 2 dimensional programming language: http://corewar.co.uk/corelife/ < 1241805722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure supercomputers like the RoadRunner can count as (a) one computer (b) a market of any kind < 1241805723 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Predates Befunge by a few months < 1241805730 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody should reimplement that in JS. < 1241805879 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CoreLife in JS, that'd be great :-) < 1241805918 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just submitted it to reddit to see what kind of comments it gets. < 1241805972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Biota < 1241805984 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Timeline_of_esoteric_programming_languages < 1241805998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he knows < 1241806005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power Mac G3 for $1.04? Hot damn. < 1241806009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, 3x. < 1241806014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Three of them! < 1241806019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to upgrade his PII router. < 1241806021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1241806021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And yeah, it only has one bid, but 22 hours to go < 1241806025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect one of < 1241806033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) seller refuses to give < 1241806037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) price shoots up < 1241806039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c) miracle happens < 1241806067 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241806068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Allow me to try to make an absurdly expensive PC... < 1241806075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorting ebay sections by "Price + P&P: lowest first" is a nice way to prey on people's innate disability to recognize what things are worth < 1241806101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants 4^2 cores < 1241806101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2x MAC OSX CDROMS V10.2" < 1241806103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWO of them! WOW! < 1241806129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: With 2 x Nehalems, just enable hyperthreading = 16 threads at once < 1241806143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You definitely want to work in multiples of Xeon Nehalem 3.2ghzs < 1241806145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said cores. < 1241806149 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not threads. < 1241806151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1241806152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1.6k per CPU < 1241806162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's from newegg < 1241806164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. If we're talking expensive, we're going with Intel. < 1241806169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and xeon < 1241806176 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless AMD decided to make chips out of gold?) < 1241806177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the i7 of same speed is just $1k < 1241806178 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i fell asleep too early and wake up right now (2:10 AM here). :| < 1241806180 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1241806185 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (as a reply that should be done 6 hours ago) oh well, you know tkbf93? :p < 1241806190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117179 < 1241806201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Get 4 of them. < 1241806207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 16 cores < 1241806213 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I have a copy of it :-P < 1241806215 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get more if there's a motherboard that can handle it. < 1241806224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, for each one, get a Megahalems from Prolimatech: http://www.prolimatech.com/products/megahalems.html < 1241806232 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: And it segfaulted on chess.bef :-P < 1241806232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's not on newegg, but it costs about $80 iirc < 1241806233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO < 1241806239 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes, that sucks :p < 1241806246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So yeah, pretty expensive heatsink < 1241806253 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that was my first attempt to golf < 1241806261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$320 for 16 cores and you still need to buy fans :-) < 1241806267 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Is it 64-bit clean? I didn't try 32-bit, maybe that's the reason? < 1241806282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'll help you find some megaexpensive ram, ey? < 1241806287 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i cannot remember all the detail now. < 1241806289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1241806295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: /msg < 1241806397 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1241806424 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Looks like it uses just int so it should be safe < 1241806434 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hmm it seems to have growable (singly-linked) stack at least < 1241806464 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Ah, I was wondering what Z was :-) < 1241806495 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241806505 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you're closing the file only when you exit you might as well have made that exit(0)... < 1241806536 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: anyway that was a holy crap. i could write better thing now... in terms of length of program. ;) < 1241806541 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241806556 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see lots of rooms of improvement now < 1241806626 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: if you want to see more horrible thing, see http://hg.mearie.org/angolmois/file/angolmois-1.0/angolmois.c < 1241806687 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: < 1241806688 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00manifest.i@angolmois-1.0: no match found < 1241806694 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1241806707 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try this: http://hg.mearie.org/angolmois/file/22549e0cee7a/angolmois.c < 1241806708 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hg.mearie.org/angolmois/file/a49bf45b49ef/angolmois.c < 1241806716 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, 1.0 < 1241806717 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1241806726 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more recent de-obfuscated version is quite readable. but 1.0 was horrible. < 1241806735 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CRC: 72fb6a0c] < 1241806736 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241806767 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the name esotope is a portmanteau of esoteric and isotope, popped from my head someday. < 1241806804 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and DSL idea is good, but that could need heavy canonicalization that is yet not good in current phase. anyway thanks for suggestion. < 1241806810 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241806851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I got the idea from the optimiser DSL "oil" found in ick < 1241806984 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most "standard" computer < 1241806984 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages (like, C and Perl) really are Unefungoids. < 1241807045 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: with "x" set-delta commands? :p < 1241807061 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like j < 1241807069 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1241807070 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Befunge-97 spec is there < 1241807080 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Edit #2 (rough) - Jun 5 Chris Pressey" < 1241807099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1241807106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241807107 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I thought, directives contain = < 1241807109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, same file? < 1241807113 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1241807124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241807137 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew I wasn't thinking just about Mini-Funge :-P < 1241807182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, don't have time to read it right away, going afk for a bit. I guess I will put them cut out specs (and the original file) up somewhere, with permission from the person you got the file from < 1241807189 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some nice multithreaded instructions there < 1241807214 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funky blocking is provided by Y "Merge Threads". < 1241807218 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funky blocking :-D < 1241807220 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: back to the angolmois, it has an embedded font; it parses game data file itself and generates all the surfaces on the fly. i wasted my time a lot 5 years ago, and never want to do such thing more XD < 1241807228 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241807229 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... time to go, it's a quiz night :-( < 1241807239 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1241807249 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Befunge-97, any existing command (see Appendix A) can be redefined in < 1241807249 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of three ways: rebinding it to another existing Befunge command with B < 1241807249 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bind Command", defining a routine with D "Define Routine", or defining it < 1241807249 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a runtime library call with L "Bind Library Call". < 1241807314 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Library calls look like just implementation-dependant FFI < 1241807318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, five different types of wrapping you can select from. < 1241807441 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Monefungoid: like a Unefungoid but only capable of going one direction < 1241807441 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the IP can't move backwards.) 6502 Assembly language is a monefungoid. < 1241807441 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I considered Polariziunefungoid but discarded it for obvious reasons.) < 1241807442 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1241807526 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: FWIW that's not the latest version, he updates it later but only links to his now-defunct web site. < 1241808134 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, queuemode got added to Befunge-97 < 1241808197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1241808631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Me and pikhq's megarig is currently at $22,790.56 for CPUs, mobo, RAM, CPU coolers, thermal compound and graphics cards < 1241808634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mega-rig < 1241808638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're nowhere near done :-) < 1241808651 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that mostly RAM? < 1241808660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: $6,239 of RAM. < 1241808661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128GB. < 1241808666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... only DDR2, though, but... < 1241808674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 CPUs of 4 cores each. < 1241808675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's 128GB. < 1241808683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had to buy a $553 expansion card for the mobo to support more CPUs and RAM < 1241808684 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where'd you find a mobo with 8 sockets? O_o < 1241808687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RAM is in 32 sticks < 1241808690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Nope, 4 sockets < 1241808694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an expansion card using two pci x16 < 1241808697 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1241808699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That gives more RAM and CPU sockets < 1241808701 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xeon? < 1241808703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As hypertransport slots. < 1241808704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1241808706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD's more expensive < 1241808707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opteron. < 1241808709 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241808710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Intel only do dual motherboards < 1241808712 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"back in 30 minutes or so" < 1241808740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most Expensive CPUs As Power Goes Upwards: Intel AMD < 1241808757 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1241808857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: we just spend $141.96 on RAM fans. < 1241808866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four of them, to cool our 32 RAM sticks. < 1241808877 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1241808887 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many decibels do you estimate that thing is at? < 1241808889 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :400? < 1241808904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I bet it's going to hit 100. < 1241808905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So far, probably about 60dB or thereabouts < 1241808917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the air can only handle 180dB or so) < 1241808928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 8 CPU fans, 4 RAM fans, and 2 stock graphics card fans < 1241808935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the RAM fans are horribly noisy from a review < 1241808941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: We have 8 of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103056 < 1241808942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241808948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure they'd fit, but we can just mod them if not, right? < 1241808954 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stock GPU fans? Go custom < 1241808959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Can't < 1241808965 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaddya mean can't < 1241808969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Money can buy". < 1241808969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's a GTX 285 < 1241808972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only been out since december < 1241808977 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what < 1241808979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, VGA coolers top out at around $50 on newegg < 1241808982 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just mod them < 1241808982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: nothing supports it < 1241808983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked < 1241808986 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need "support" < 1241808993 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cooler supports up to the X1300 or so < 1241808993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True enough. < 1241808996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we don't care about $50. < 1241808999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah./ < 1241809002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$50 isn't worth it. < 1241809003 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It fit just fine, after removing a bit of the heatsink < 1241809005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are bigger fish. < 1241809006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're spending more on SATA cables. < 1241809007 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1241809013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And stock GPU coolers are really fucking loud anyway ;-) < 1241809028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, who are these "we"? < 1241809029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume we'll max out the onboard SATA and the RAID card, right?) < 1241809034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird and I. < 1241809038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Me and pikhq trying to build the most expensive computer, ever. < 1241809043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're spending $6k just on RAM. < 1241809043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241809047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch! < 1241809057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128GB. < 1241809058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so pikhq, we have processors, motherboard, cpu expansion card, RAM, ram fans, CPU fans/heatsinks, thermal compound and video cards. < 1241809072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, I think we should go buy some expensive harddrives < 1241809075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look at hard drives, you look at RAID cards? < 1241809076 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IODrives < 1241809081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not the loudest one? < 1241809084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look at hard drives < 1241809085 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For RAID cards I recommend Areca < 1241809095 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: We don't have spare PCI slots any more. < 1241809097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: comes with the deal < 1241809097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241809098 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're on the high end of things < 1241809100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn < 1241809102 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PCI expansion cards? < 1241809104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: THe ramsans go into pci < 1241809105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, AND just do IBM RoadRunner but with twice as many CPUs. That will be more expensive I bet < 1241809111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's not a computer < 1241809114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a cluster < 1241809122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway < 1241809126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our 8 CPUs are using two PCIe, the GPUs are using two more, and we have another PCI slot for the RAID. < 1241809127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll find the most expensive SATA harddrives < 1241809127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1241809138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably an SSD, mayb < 1241809138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1241809148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, SSD with ram cache? < 1241809156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL WAT < 1241809158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: < 1241809159 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some absurdly speedy 1.5TB drive. < 1241809159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :147GB hd < 1241809162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15k RPM < 1241809165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL WAT? < 1241809167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SCSI* < 1241809168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$359.99 < 1241809172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <3 < 1241809175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most expensive single harddrive on newegg < 1241809178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, internal. < 1241809179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1241809180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it SAS? < 1241809180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEt's look at the... < 1241809181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOLID < 1241809182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STATE < 1241809184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISKS < 1241809186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1241809188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1241809190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1241809192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPENSIVE < 1241809192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241809194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISKS < 1241809196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: $799 < 1241809198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel X25-E < 1241809200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Something like 64GB < 1241809205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1241809206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64GB < 1241809210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How many sata slots do we have? < 1241809212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1241809213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1241809214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many < 1241809217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1241809218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1241809218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1241809219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1241809220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1241809220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because this is epic. < 1241809221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1241809221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 on the mobo, dunno on the RAID. < 1241809221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1241809223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1241809226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fuck off < 1241809227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1241809238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK, so $6,392 of SSD madness. < 1241809249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A whopping 512GB of storage. < 1241809261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get an SATA RAID card and stick a 2TB drive on there. < 1241809268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah hm < 1241809269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1241809270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1241809270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i < 1241809270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a < 1241809270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : g < 1241809270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : o < 1241809270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : n < 1241809272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a < 1241809274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : l < 1241809276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For best viewing experience please use a monospace font.) < 1241809278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs < 1241809285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Maybe we should fill EVERY SLOT with a SATA RAID card. < 1241809289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fill those cards with X25-Es < 1241809301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'mean, instead of the graphics card? < 1241809302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: y/n < 1241809306 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I approve. < 1241809306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No no no < 1241809311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1241809313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you get SATA raid things < 1241809313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in < 1241809315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They go direct into SATA < 1241809322 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Oh*. < 1241809324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1241809330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can right? < 1241809338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. < 1241809338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1241809348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the top single areca raid card is $1,599 < 1241809351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes up a pci x8 < 1241809355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I loathe to lose graphics cards < 1241809355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spiffy. < 1241809359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, um, we'll use onboard video, right? < 1241809364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1241809369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we want two of them. < 1241809373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god. < 1241809374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq? < 1241809376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a fan. < 1241809379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fucking RAID card. Has a fan. < 1241809380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241809386 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve. < 1241809388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This RAID card. Is the most powerful RAID card on the planet. < 1241809390 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gahs this library is very unfun to install. < 1241809396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# This file is part of SEP's set of GNU make rules for painless compilation < 1241809396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# This file overrides defaults that are incorrect for the SUN4 architecture < 1241809402 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYSLIB= /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/egcs-2.91.66/libg2c.a -lm < 1241809402 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Interesting that your HDs are so cheap < 1241809413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That line is not making this very painless. < 1241809420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, pikhq, < 1241809422 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found some things that cost 2000 € < 1241809429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internal Connectors 6xSFF-8087 < 1241809430 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're just rare < 1241809434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those the harddrive thingies < 1241809455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq? < 1241809459 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Wikipedes < 1241809463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanna know how many HDs can go in one of these cards < 1241809469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're still filling the sata ports with x25-E < 1241809469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1241809474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we'll fill these raids with them too < 1241809498 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a SAS connector. < 1241809511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So we can't connect SATA drives? < 1241809515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... is there an adaptor? < 1241809519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can buy 6 adaptors, you see. < 1241809521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so you are trying to make it as loud as well? < 1241809528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's just a bonus. < 1241809528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as loud as possible as well* < 1241809531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241809535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cost takes precedent. < 1241809537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*predecence < 1241809540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*precedence < 1241809542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how much would replacing this with passive cooling cost < 1241809546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or water cooling < 1241809546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SATA drives can be hooked to SAS controllers. < 1241809550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: $infinity for passive cooling. < 1241809551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not the other way around. < 1241809558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$-something for water cooling < 1241809564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok, go for replacing it all with water cooling then! < 1241809567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1241809568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minus. < 1241809570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would cost less. < 1241809575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't beat $1,119 on fans and heatsinks for the CPUs. < 1241809576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Alright. < 1241809582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SFF-8087 is something you can connect four SATA drives into, I think. < 1241809583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So one card holds 6 drives? < 1241809583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure? < 1241809592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So we need 12 more drives. < 1241809611 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least there exists a four-port SFF-8087 connector; I'm not sure if they all are like that. < 1241809612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: $15,980 on storage. < 1241809618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure the power supply can handle it? < 1241809626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we'll have two < 1241809626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can get a PCI RAID card, right? < 1241809627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or four < 1241809632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: these are pci < 1241809637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816151053 < 1241809640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're getting two < 1241809641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pay attention < 1241809643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And each does 6 drives < 1241809644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said "PCI x8". Which is PCIe. < 1241809647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1241809652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, mhm, you can't fit them inside the case then right? Unless you are using some weird server case with a backup power supply < 1241809653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1241809655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal PCI. < 1241809659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!= < 1241809660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCIe. < 1241809662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in those cases it is for power supply < 1241809666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is PCIe. < 1241809668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: RAID cards + SSDs currently total to $19,179.98 < 1241809674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'll find the most expensive regular PCI raid card < 1241809693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think we may need to invent a new kind of mathematics to calculate this price < 1241809698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omegad. < 1241809705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how much IDE shit does our mobo have? < 1241809707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None? Some? < 1241809712 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes, if it is that "ARC-1680IX-24 PCIe x8 SAS RAID Card" card you can connect 24 drives in it. Four to each SAS connector. < 1241809715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can buy SATA←→IDE adaptors, right? < 1241809715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 IDE connector. < 1241809719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: WOW. < 1241809720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REALLY? < 1241809723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Yes. < 1241809724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN MORE! < 1241809725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can. < 1241809735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :56 SSDs. < 1241809737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OMG. < 1241809738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's $44,744 < 1241809752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHA < 1241809754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what OS will you use? I bet window would be the most expensive OS to use on it < 1241809759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No way man < 1241809762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think enterprise < 1241809765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But pikhq. < 1241809766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG. < 1241809768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :56 fucking drives. < 1241809769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: RHEL. < 1241809777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, RHEL is expensive? < 1241809779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue < 1241809779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: :D < 1241809779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, pikhq? Find the most expensive SATA to IDE cable, please. < 1241809785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then we'll add one more SSD in to it, you see. < 1241809787 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Thousand or so a seat. < 1241809797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Two SSDs, you mean. < 1241809802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, using windows would be cheaper indeed... < 1241809803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You said one IDE port. < 1241809804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One IDE handles two drives. < 1241809806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1241809807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1241809808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know. < 1241809812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, find two adaptors, pikhq? Or one. < 1241809813 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "Charged" < 1241809813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1241809816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just find the adaptors we need. < 1241809817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Nice. < 1241809825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Will you buy THIS rig for us? < 1241809827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's currently at... < 1241809845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at what < 1241809848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: $70,016.52 < 1241809853 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :schweet < 1241809854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no way are we done. < 1241809859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Go find that adaptor, boy. < 1241809863 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gotta be mostly disks? < 1241809863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll find a regular PCI raid card. < 1241809867 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Searching. < 1241809871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: $44k of SSDs < 1241809873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the ram is $6k < 1241809875 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, we're spending some $6,000 on RAM. < 1241809885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the processors are $14k, bsmntbombdood < 1241809889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eight four-core opterons < 1241809897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Those RAID cards each have an external SAS slot as well. < 1241809902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Enclosures*. < 1241809903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1241809907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: let's figure that out later < 1241809911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET THAT ADAPTOR BITCH :P < 1241809919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is looking < 1241809932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what CPU < 1241809935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey pikhq, we only have one PCI slot right? < 1241809938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:11 ehird: eight four-core opterons , AnMaster < 1241809940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1241809943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241809955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure you can't do more? < 1241809964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1241809966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we calculated < 1241809971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmm. Not worth it. $269.99 is the most expensive raid thing for PCI < 1241809978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure we can find a better use < 1241809978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the most expensive mobo might not be the one that allows the most expensive equipment! < 1241809983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1241809983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1241809984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it is worth it < 1241809987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it adds another ssd < 1241809989 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what mobo? < 1241809992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so a cheaper mobo might result in a higher total cost < 1241809995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813151085 < 1241809998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: We know, goddamn. < 1241810000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've played with permutations < 1241810003 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: This mobo supports the most CPUs. < 1241810003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241810005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the most RAM. < 1241810010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, most PCI cards? < 1241810013 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: unnacceptable < 1241810016 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got 32 freaking RAM slots. < 1241810017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what < 1241810029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there are no PCI raid cards < 1241810029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1241810031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: found that adaptor? < 1241810031 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1241810036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a motherboard that supports more than one CPU slot. < 1241810037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Not yet. < 1241810043 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1241810043 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were using xeons ? < 1241810048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: turned out cheaper < 1241810048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1241810051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to only being able to have 2 procs < 1241810067 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't go for money...go for performance without hinderance from money < 1241810071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No no no. < 1241810072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're going for money. < 1241810074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the goal. < 1241810085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can do performance tomorrow :P < 1241810086 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1241810098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what form factor is that mobo O_o < 1241810105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also very high performance. < 1241810112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: We have a PCIe expansion card for the 4 more CPUs < 1241810112 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and opterons are NUMA < 1241810120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got 4 GB per core. < 1241810123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, NUMA > SMP < 1241810135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's a hypertransport card. < 1241810146 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's it? < 1241810150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD has a freaky way of doing Hypertransport via PCIe slots. < 1241810151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: dude < 1241810153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 128GB in total < 1241810156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Largest DDR2 stick. < 1241810156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wow < 1241810166 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only ddr2 memory? < 1241810166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128GB. < 1241810169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yes < 1241810171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's most expensive < 1241810175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4GB ddr2 is highly expensive < 1241810178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1241810179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one stick < 1241810181 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's retarded < 1241810182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$194.99 < 1241810189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, bsmntbombdood, we're going for PRICE. < 1241810190 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-41-227.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1241810201 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trivial to go for price < 1241810211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've spent over an hour on it. < 1241810212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is. But we're doing it, you globmonkey. < 1241810216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: found that adaptor? < 1241810228 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm looking for it. < 1241810235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, I'll look < 1241810260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, they're all the wrong way around < 1241810268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hey hey < 1241810269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: we can go < 1241810272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sata → usb → ide < 1241810277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure < 1241810287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :)))) < 1241810292 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: buy a ramsan < 1241810295 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, no... < 1241810298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yep < 1241810302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found sata→usb < 1241810304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and usb→ide < 1241810305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can go USB -> SATA, though... < 1241810309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*What*?!? < 1241810311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: "contact for price" < 1241810313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes no sense. < 1241810313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yep < 1241810315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=ide+sata+adapter&x=0&y=0 < 1241810318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll down a bit < 1241810321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nippon Labs USB-SATA USB to IDE/SATA Adapter w/ power - Retail < 1241810323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the final connection < 1241810327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1241810327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SABRENT USB-DSC5 Serial ATA (SATA) or IDE 2.5" and 3.5" to USB 2.0 Cable Converter Adapter - Retail < 1241810328 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? < 1241810329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila < 1241810336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SATA→USB→IDE < 1241810339 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you even considering usb or pata for anything? < 1241810344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: shut up < 1241810347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're getting x25-Es < 1241810348 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow as shit < 1241810348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're expensive < 1241810352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we want two more drives < 1241810356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we need to put IDE shit < 1241810356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much was that x25-E? < 1241810358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the ssds only do sata < 1241810361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: $700 or so a pop < 1241810365 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get 32 x25-es and raid 10 them < 1241810366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we can do two more of them with these adaptors < 1241810370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to beat. < 1241810376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: STFU, we're getting 56 of them already < 1241810380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with IDE we can get58 < 1241810381 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1241810391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: shall I add those adapters? < 1241810405 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a sec. < 1241810421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found the normal IDE->SATA adaptors. < 1241810429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241810430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wrong way around < 1241810437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a sata drive and want to plug it into ide < 1241810441 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1241810444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can do this by going via usb < 1241810446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDE->SATA. < 1241810451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241810454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the way you do the diagram? < 1241810455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1241810463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how much is it? < 1241810466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via USB may be more expensive < 1241810475 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241810476 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1241810476 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241810476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200373 ? < 1241810483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just plain silly. < 1241810486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ours is more expensive < 1241810489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$39.98 for each drive < 1241810494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, more so than what we've been doing previously. < 1241810495 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1241810500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fine. < 1241810504 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1241810531 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get external sata->sata raid cards can't you? < 1241810534 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200196 Also, this one is $26.99 per drive. < 1241810542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we now have $46,342 in SSDs < 1241810543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nice. < 1241810553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1241810559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. That's just $26.99. Oh well. < 1241810566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: want the current total? < 1241810586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Processors, motherboard, CPU card, RAM, RAM fans, CPU fans/heatsinks, thermal compound, RAID cards, IDE to SATA adapters, and drives < 1241810587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200156 This is $30 per drive, though. < 1241810589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Sure. < 1241810599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I'll add that then total < 1241810610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1241810611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here goes < 1241810643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH STORAGE: $72,674.41 < 1241810647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITHOUT STORAGE: $26,332.41 < 1241810653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's JUST the ssds missing) < 1241810654 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how do you define "computer"? < 1241810660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how many GB < 1241810670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 3712GB < 1241810670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Single system. < 1241810672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about 3TB < 1241810672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1241810680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's if you RAID 0, of course < 1241810683 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: go on < 1241810685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64GB per disk and 58 disks < 1241810695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, RAID 1 them. More *wasted* money then < 1241810702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1241810717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK, I think we need some optical drives now? < 1241810724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(RAID 1 does make sense, just not for *THAT* many drives) < 1241810729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To burn and rip the family photos / music albums. < 1241810733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, on this family PC. < 1241810734 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there those SATA multiplexers? < 1241810739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 3000 AD. < 1241810739 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Definitely. < 1241810743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bluray burner? < 1241810747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think maxing out storage any further sux < 1241810750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's $44k already < 1241810751 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816102107 < 1241810753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost like cheating < 1241810753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about floppy? < 1241810757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you get at least two < 1241810766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what does that buy us < 1241810775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks good, I just don't know what it does :-) < 1241810779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it looks a bit too external < 1241810796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does the mobo actually have onboard video? < 1241810797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: We'll get the best fucking floppies in the universe. < 1241810798 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241810801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes. < 1241810803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a server board. < 1241810803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241810814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$329.99 for the most expensive bluray burner < 1241810818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how many can we fit? < 1241810819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait. < 1241810820 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get 8 of those with your mobo, so 96 drives < 1241810823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've maxed out the slots, haven't we pikhq? < 1241810824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827248014 Most expensive internal burner. < 1241810829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1241810831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1241810832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$329.99 < 1241810833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=13-151-085-S02&ISList=13-151-085-S01%2c13-151-085-S02%2c13-151-085-S03%2c13-151-085-S04%2c13-151-085-S05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16813151085&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=TYAN%20S4985G3NR%20SSI%20MEB%20footprint%20Server%20Motherboard%20-%20Retail <--- *three* ethernet ports? < 1241810834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's PCI SATA slots. < 1241810842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about case < 1241810843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. < 1241810843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah. < 1241810846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just tell me how much free we have ;-) < 1241810853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 PCI slot. < 1241810862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK, so only one burner. < 1241810866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we need any adapter shit? < 1241810868 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The external SAS slots on the RAID cards. < 1241810875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1241810876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 3. < 1241810885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :989.97 on burners < 1241810885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not bad < 1241810903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each SAS slot is 4 SCSI slots. < 1241810905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1241810908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. < 1241810909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SATA. < 1241810917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1241810919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 9 burners? < 1241810925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241810929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we need an adapter for the PCI slot thing, pikhq? < 1241810933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The non-RAID one. < 1241810936 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully you are considering how to package this stuff < 1241810939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Just a sec. < 1241810946 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do need some sort of case < 1241810949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pikhq: case, what about case? < 1241810949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: One absurdly massive case. < 1241810952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1241810956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They make large enough cases. < 1241810956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biggest case in the universe < 1241810957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, yes I said that about a minute ago before < 1241810959 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/case/a full rack/ < 1241810963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1241810966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1241810969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put it in a cardboard box < 1241810974 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816102107 < 1241810976 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use that < 1241810978 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's perfect < 1241810979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MADE OF GOLD. < 1241810994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: have you got the adapter? < 1241811009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I kind of feel like we should cut back on storage, you can grow the price there pretty much unbounded < 1241811011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241811012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet; will soon. < 1241811062 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i think you could arrange that external raid controller in a tree < 1241811075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: see, that's the thing < 1241811079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have pretty much infinite storage < 1241811083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for pretty much infinite dollars < 1241811086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the challenge? < 1241811088 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241811091 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i said < 1241811091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just free ... anti-money < 1241811092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816102080 < 1241811101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other components, now that takes skill to waste money < 1241811105 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more interesting if you have to consider performance < 1241811111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, it's a RAID card, but it can be used for JBOD. < 1241811160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for the most expensive floppy drive < 1241811193 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2U is pretty good for 12 drives isn't it? < 1241811220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do you think we should cut back on the storage? < 1241811223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really is cheating < 1241811239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Replace those with those 2TB SATA drives. < 1241811251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2TB drives aren't expensive < 1241811251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can at least have really silly stats while cutting back. < 1241811252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1241811259 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cutting back". < 1241811260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1241811263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think we should avoid spending much on storage < 1241811270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$44k just on drives doesn't take any skill < 1241811273 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get more expensive hard drives than the x25-e anyway < 1241811281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, priciest internal floppy is $7.99 so meh < 1241811285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's cut back on storage. < 1241811287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We still want the RAID cards. < 1241811290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1241811301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we'll go for the most expensive non-solid-state drive. < 1241811301 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241811314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully that should only add a few thousand. < 1241811318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2TB SAS card I think. < 1241811334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 per RAID card, and the onboard SATA wouldn't be used... < 1241811338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION picks regular SATA drives. < 1241811341 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816102113 < 1241811347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1241811351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP LINKING TO IT bsmntbombdood < 1241811355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storage is cheating. :P < 1241811358 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a different one! < 1241811372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 2TB regular speed drive, or 300GB 10k RPM drive. The latter is a velociraptor. < 1241811375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say the latter, because: < 1241811378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still big. < 1241811381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10k fucking RPM is loud. < 1241811381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And. < 1241811384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll need. < 1241811388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fucking. Lot. < 1241811389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of... < 1241811392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HARD DRIVE FANS. < 1241811394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: y/n < 1241811397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$229.99 a pop < 1241811413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's $13,339.42 in storage. < 1241811432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think we'll need a fan per every 2 harddrives. We are putting these under load, right? < 1241811442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1241811450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :300GB 10k drive. < 1241811453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241811477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$29.99 for a hard drive enclosure < 1241811480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we want fans too < 1241811518 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822332012 < 1241811523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: $22.99 for the most expensive HD cooler with a fan < 1241811526 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you could find an hdd more expensive than that < 1241811531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$29.99 for the most expensive full stop, so not a big loss < 1241811534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a FAN! < 1241811538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's ADJUSTABLE! < 1241811557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: $1,333.42 on harddrive cooling. < 1241811560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo... < 1241811575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817122110 < 1241811597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm going to find the most expensive, highest-voltage power supplies. < 1241811598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two of them. < 1241811599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more. < 1241811604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, yeah, more. < 1241811610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Uh... issue./ < 1241811616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :58 harddrives. They need power. < 1241811622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many can one power supply do? < 1241811623 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1241811628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We will need an awful lot of power supplies. < 1241811629 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget UPSs < 1241811633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wanna cut back on storage? < 1241811637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, actually less drives? :-P < 1241811645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can actually get this thing to POST < 1241811660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. My. God. < 1241811663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iStarUSA IS-2000R4H1UP 2000W Redundant 1U Server Power Supply - Retail < 1241811663 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, it's going to be hard to power < 1241811666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1,285.99 < 1241811674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were saying? < 1241811685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ... even so... < 1241811690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a bunch to power 58 drives. < 1241811693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, it won't fit in a case. < 1241811694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we're getting the 10U rack case? :p < 1241811699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck, I mean, 58 drives won't fit in a fucking case. < 1241811700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But. Um/ < 1241811701 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are going to have trouble getting the psu physically close enough to the drives < 1241811706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Exactly! < 1241811711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need less drives, pikhq. < 1241811720 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need one of the rackmount drive bays! < 1241811727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need less drives too. < 1241811728 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only practical way to do it < 1241811732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817147073 < 1241811737 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you don't need to cut down on drives < 1241811738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing doesn't seem to have many ports < 1241811746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Bah. < 1241811751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Give us a rackmount drive bay then. < 1241811755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of that tricky RAID stuff. < 1241811757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've handled that. < 1241811779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm searching for cases. < 1241811781 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much did you spend on it? < 1241811783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: noo! < 1241811784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to :-P < 1241811791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: $3,199 in RAID cards. < 1241811796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, $139.99 extra < 1241811800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the bluray adapter RAID card thing < 1241811808 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: those raid bays are $4,500 each < 1241811809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Srsly, I can find a case. :-P < 1241811814 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need several of them < 1241811815 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1241811821 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more expensive < 1241811827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ... hmm. We can do that later. < 1241811830 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. There's *actually* 9U cases. < 1241811850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One. < 1241811851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, total cost so far? < 1241811855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what about the case < 1241811856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: $thousands < 1241811858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811165161 < 1241811859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our case. < 1241811867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it come with case fans? < 1241811869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need case fans. < 1241811880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure the case is large enough? < 1241811886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all those 58 harddrives < 1241811889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: We're putting the drives in external RAID rack mounts. < 1241811893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241811899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from the 10 for the SATA/IDE. < 1241811903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that isn't "one unit" thing for one computer then < 1241811905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241811907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure we can fit 10 + an adapter. < 1241811908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: stfu < 1241811913 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it be a rackmount case? < 1241811919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: hell no! < 1241811921 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4-post racks are expensive < 1241811922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of how heavy this will be < 1241811981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the case is too small I think. And how would you mount the mobo in it < 1241811989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not too small! < 1241812002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 4U rackmount case alone can handle 24 disks. < 1241812008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, checked dimensions? < 1241812009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just 8 CPUs, some RAM, some RAM fans, some gigantic CPU fans and heatsinks and 10 drives. < 1241812019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they hotswap. < 1241812019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 35" x 24" x 23" < 1241812022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Bitch. < 1241812024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and the board? < 1241812032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude. < 1241812035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big do you think mobos are? < 1241812038 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, the biggest rackmount cases newegg has are 4u < 1241812044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't know in inches < 1241812044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 16" x 13" < 1241812054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cm makes more sense < 1241812056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's < 1241812068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the case is 88cm x 60cm x 58cm < 1241812085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I just can't estimate distances in inches < 1241812090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is why I asked < 1241812097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah. But. That's big, okay? :P < 1241812104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1241812113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :88 cm wide? deep? high? < 1241812121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241812135 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that case is too cheep < 1241812137 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811152124 < 1241812141 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even that is more expensive < 1241812141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811165161 says "Dimensions 35.44" x 24.22" x 23.63""? < 1241812143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241812147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: We need something we can fit shit in. < 1241812147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241812148 0 :oklopol!i=oko@84-155.adsl.lpoy.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1241812148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1241812149 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241812156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread that < 1241812190 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, that 9u case is _insulated_ < 1241812191 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lofl < 1241812195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1241812203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it doesn't matter if our computer burns < 1241812208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it gives the POST beep, we've won < 1241812222 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1241812225 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's retarded < 1241812230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1241812231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taht's our goal < 1241812255 0 :okloduk!i=oko@84-155.adsl.lpoy.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1241812407 0 :okloduk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241812431 0 :okloduk!i=oko@84-155.adsl.lpoy.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1241812466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we're done here. < 1241812478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. We could go further but I've lost interest :P < 1241812487 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$80,000 is enough. :p < 1241812544 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is absolutely no practical use for this system < 1241812552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow I think we should go for "most powerful gaming computer ever". Then post a sale for it on an overclocking forum... plus a markup of a few hundred dollars. < 1241812556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch the purchases roll in. < 1241812560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be in the money. < 1241812579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO < 1241812591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Yes there is. < 1241812595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stick Xen on it. < 1241812600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simulate a cluster. < 1241812601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1241812606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1241812607 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1241812632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: cheaper to buy a cluster < 1241812638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1241812647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But significantly less impressive and noisy. < 1241812648 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wont' be able to utilize all those drives < 1241812665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, I beg to differ. < 1241812672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blu-Ray disk *dumps*. < 1241812678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1241812680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Dude, it's just 16TB. < 1241812691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: You could get a bloody porn collection that big, easy. :P < 1241812694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, bloody porn. < 1241812699 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean the size < 1241812727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: watch 58 vids from the porn collection without buffering all at once. < 1241812728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1241812732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPEED < 1241812742 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Blu-ray vids. < 1241812747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1241812749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blu-ray porn dumps. < 1241812770 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile Gentoo in an hour. < 1241812772 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't be able to get the full speed capable < 1241812784 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 4 processors and a single mobo < 1241812798 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to split that up over multiple servers < 1241812799 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 chips. < 1241812811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you underestimate how freaking speedy Hypertransport is. :p < 1241812812 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the buses are the bottleneck < 1241812827 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, yeah, at this point HT is actually a bottleneck. < 1241812835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that's actually damned impressive) < 1241812859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1241812862 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the drives attached to? < 1241812863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the Opterons do hyperthreading? < 1241812869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: SATA, IDE, and various RAIDs. < 1241812870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, hyperthreading is an Intel thing. < 1241812872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two RAIDs, that is. < 1241812874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. They do more CPUs. < 1241812894 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: What is "a RAID" and what is it attached to < 1241812895 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess you can't saturate the whole hypertransport bus with just two PCIe 8x cards. < 1241812904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A PCIe raid card, Deewiant. < 1241812906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two of them. < 1241812911 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1241812914 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 2*2000 MB/s in one direction. < 1241812925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: around $3k in total I think < 1241812927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the onboard SATA. < 1241812931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I doubt is in the northbridge. < 1241812965 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many drives per card? < 1241812984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they're SAS cards driving SATA cards... A lot. < 1241812995 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16, I think? < 1241812996 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough to saturate the PCI-E bus? < 1241812999 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 24. < 1241813011 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: If I remember the model right. Six four-port interfaces. < 1241813023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those PCIe cards are on a PCIe 4x slot. < 1241813030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(physically 16x). < 1241813037 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it 8x? < 1241813054 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the motherboards only offer 4x on those two slots. < 1241813056 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I haven't been following very closely. < 1241813061 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. < 1241813067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the 16x slots are being used for hypertransport) < 1241813069 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's only a GB/s then. < 1241813080 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 drives will saturate that easily. < 1241813087 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then you definitely can't fill the whole hypertransport bus with disk activity. < 1241813108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the PCIe bus will be filled instead. < 1241813118 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1241813123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241813198 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./../include/mat_inc_d.H:13:22: error: iostream.h: No such file or directory < 1241813198 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is some annoyingly old code, I guess. Does removing "-pedantic" let it even a modern GCC find the silly " automagically imports std::" versions of C++ headers? < 1241813228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1241813231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lvcreate's failing < 1241813254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wait < 1241813259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem not to have device-mapper. < 1241813265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I need to modprobe something < 1241813273 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modprobe device-mapper < 1241813282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apparently I don't have that module. < 1241813285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is on a LiveCD. < 1241813289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1241813292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to set up an LVM setup to install to. < 1241813293 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Googling for that just finds people complaining about why their Hello world doesn't compile, and people telling them to use "using namespace std". < 1241813296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it is in a package. < 1241813298 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's "dm_mod". < 1241813304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1241813305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works. < 1241813315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LVM: so intuitive it's unintuitive < 1241813322 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't realise; I've got the DM modules compiled in. < 1241813342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What do you need to do to have that loaded every time on bootup? I forget the file. < 1241813349 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(easier than futzing with the initramfs to only have the modules I need to boot) < 1241813377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241813406 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can put "dm_mod" in /etc/modules, that works in many systems. Although I guess it should be automagically loaded by udev or something; I've certainly never had to manually modprobe it. (Though maybe it autoloads only if it finds LVM volumes or something.) < 1241813413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I have /dev/sda1 = /boot and /dev/sda2 = physical volume of /dev/osdrive with /dev/osdrive/root, /dev/osdrive/home < 1241813420 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my root filesystem is on LVM. < 1241813433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1241813433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So is mine. < 1241813439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I will probably ... hm. < 1241813439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1241813447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then putting dm_mod in /etc/modules does nothing. < 1241813450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my real SSD, I'll only have /boot and a physical volume of /dev/osdrive containing /dev/osdrive/root. < 1241813454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I actually need LVM for that? < 1241813462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The guide here suggests so < 1241813475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, but LVM is sexy. < 1241813489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/02/20/aligning-filesystems-to-an-ssds-erase-block-size/ < 1241813497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really seems to imply that LVM is needed to do the alignment. < 1241813498 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Live migration of disks = Mmm. < 1241813516 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1241813531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing is going to be horribly slow; putting SSD-tuned settings into a VM writing to a mechanical HD :-) < 1241813561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION creates ext4 filesystems on the two osdrive things. < 1241813575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what do you think I should use for my 1gb /boot? < 1241813576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ext2? :-P < 1241813580 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GB? < 1241813581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't exactly need journaling on it < 1241813586 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure that's enough? < 1241813586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's what the blog post has < 1241813596 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't mean it's a good idea :-P < 1241813598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good enough for Theodore Ts'o, good enough for me. ;-) < 1241813604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ext3. < 1241813614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What does journaling buy me on /boot? < 1241813615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't need it, but it's a good idea. < 1241813616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1241813617 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel developers probably have good reason to have a big /boot. < 1241813623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: True 'dat. < 1241813631 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I still think that's excessive. :-P < 1241813640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: If you're writing to it when you crash, you haven't fucked it up. < 1241813644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1241813664 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, mount that sucker with ordered; /boot is something you really don't want going. < 1241813680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/boot isn't very vital. < 1241813692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't boot? Stick in livecd, put kernel on there. < 1241813693 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of sucks to find it broken when you reboot. < 1241813703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I'm just saying it's not valuable < 1241813709 0 :okloduk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241813716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the "stripe-width=32" will do anything on the olde-style-aligned /boot. < 1241813718 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not performance-sensitive either < 1241813723 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's no point in not journaling < 1241813728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh but there is. < 1241813730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less writes to the SSD. < 1241813737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, that's barely anything :-) < 1241813740 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't worry about that. < 1241813747 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking that way will just get you into trouble :-P < 1241813751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll omit stripe-width. It's just /boot. < 1241813754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, totally. < 1241813761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to keep reminding myself that it's a fuckin' drive, it'll last years dammit. < 1241813772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst case, SECURE ERASE the bugger and copy contents back on. < 1241813778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just so long as you don't have swap on it. < 1241813789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm gonna have 12GB of RAM. No swap for me. < 1241813796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodie. < 1241813804 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Besides, SSDs are supposed to be better with SMART and such, knowing much more precisely when they're going to break. < 1241813815 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that's the case in practice yet, though. < 1241813818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd _slow_ me down... on the SSD, contribute to further wear and tear. On the mechanical HD? Iiiiiiiiiiiiiii'll geeeeeeeeeettt baccccccccccccck tooooooooooo yoooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuu. < 1241813825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And their failure mode consists of "Uh, you can't write there." < 1241813830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1241813834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSDs are really resilient. < 1241813869 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the firmware, I guess. < 1241813873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, /arch/setup time. < 1241813882 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this on-a-compact-flash-card system, and I haven't even bothered to think about anything flash-specific on it, even though the write-cycle-handling thing is probably something really really primitive compared to an actual "SSD drive" type of product. (Well, except putting everything that's going to be written more often than daily into tmpfs.) < 1241813891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's assuming that you're completely out of write cycles. < 1241813907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Pfft, I'm going to have lots of stuff being written on /. < 1241813915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything but /tmp and /home/ehird/media, probably. < 1241813928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, linux will have fully working TRIM support when I get this. < 1241813931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it won't be a big deal. < 1241814045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^, the Arch install program let me make the LVM setup just fine. < 1241814061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to manually edit fstab for /tmp, ofc. < 1241814070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not on this install. < 1241814088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you said you need a guide for LVM? < 1241814091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit was easy. < 1241814174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, my HD isn't liking this alignment stuff it's doing. < 1241814180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Krrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnkcluckcluckcluck. < 1241814206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alignment stuff is for SSDs. ;) < 1241814211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No duh. < 1241814212 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or RAIDs) < 1241814213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is practice ;-) < 1241814218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a VM. < 1241814225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1241814228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the HD backing the VM storage isn't liking its antics. < 1241814246 0 :oklopol!i=oko@84-155.adsl.lpoy.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1241814284 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsurprisingly, doing SSD alignment on an HD isn't very smart :-P < 1241814300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not going to hurt anything, I imagine. Just be slow... which the VM already is, right? < 1241814319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt my HD is the bottleneck < 1241814517 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1241814623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1241814633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends on what you do with it exactly < 1241814684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://station-mir.ginnungagap.in.ua/fb2.png ← Thus proving that all tiling WM users really just want a framebuffer console. < 1241814752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if there was a good framebuffer web browser, I would use a framebuffer console. ;p < 1241814760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: elinks < 1241814769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you can even make it display graphics iirc < 1241814790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elinks doesn't do framebuffer. < 1241814796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be Links2. < 1241814803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just run it as a normal console app? < 1241814803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which doesn't even support CSS2. < 1241814814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it doesn't handle graphics. < 1241814828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or complex Javascript. < 1241814831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: just add a handler to run a framebuffer graphcis display when you choose an image < 1241814840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sheesh, that's not very framebuffer < 1241814845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I run currently is based on Gecko. < 1241814851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebKit ftw < 1241814859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not very framebuffer"... < 1241814859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... < 1241814896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not very "graphical" either. < 1241814916 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the longest time I used a framebuffer console for just about anything; I guess the web going so multimedia was the major issue. < 1241814958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the bit about my graphics card not handling widescreen via VESA. < 1241814960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray for WMs and graphics and mice. < 1241814970 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could theoretically speaking run Firefox or something using the directfb GTK backend. < 1241814980 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you're replacing X. < 1241814988 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For no good reason. < 1241815014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apart from X sucking, you mean. < 1241815023 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, only for the web-browser, and at least switching between the console and the "fake-X" would be faster. < 1241815061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Arch seems to build its own kernel except with a binary. < 1241815062 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly my framebuffer-console-using days were back when my display hardware was a Matrox G400 card, which worked pretty nicely with matroxfb; I certainly wouldn't want to be stuck with vesafb. < 1241815087 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also mplayer had that G400-specific video acceleration, obviating the need for Xv.) < 1241815119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Gxxx-specific, anyway. It wasn't just the 400. < 1241815125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, the main reason not to use the framebuffer aside from multimedia web stuff is vesa-fb sucks. < 1241815126 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1241815128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1241815140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And because non graphical environments suck. < 1241815152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you're just dumb. < 1241815157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. :) < 1241815202 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hey, they're bringing Scheme back: http://www.cs.hut.fi/~scheme/course-description.html < 1241815204 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a framebuffer is very much a graphical environment. < 1241815219 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nice. < 1241815219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bad graphical environment. < 1241815220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not an exceptionally complex one. < 1241815224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is mostly used for text. < 1241815236 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilja's there, unsurprisingly; he's a Haskell guy < 1241815238 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1241815264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, GNU/Arch/LVM/FakeSSD/BSDinit/ls/cp/RichardStallman'sBlood bootup is go. < 1241815265 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which might explain why lazy evaluation is explicitly a goal, too < 1241815279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand it work... < 1241815283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... No. No it did not. < 1241815294 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder if I'll register for that < 1241815295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It cannot find ze /dev/mapper/osdrive-root. < 1241815301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's the file thing? modprobe? < 1241815305 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, laziness is in "latter part of SICP" too. < 1241815319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha. Ha. Ha. The kernel rescue ramfs console has no ls. < 1241815321 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: If your root is on LVM, it's the initrd's responsibility for getting things loaded. < 1241815325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has cat though! < 1241815339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And it failed. It don't know shit about no /dev/mapper/blah. < 1241815353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know. If it's some Arch thing, then I definitely don't know. < 1241815371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know about Debian's initrd, since mkinitramfs or whatever has always built me a working one. < 1241815373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just... Linux. :-P < 1241815380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pvscan < 1241815388 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the initrd contents are very distro-specific. < 1241815399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably boot up the live cd. < 1241815399 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least somewhat distro-specific. < 1241815411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Debian's initrd has LVM stuff in it. < 1241815415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no pvscan on the ramfs < 1241815419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should googol < 1241815425 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Gentoo requires you to use genkernel --do-lvm < 1241815427 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, so I've assumed, since it works. < 1241815430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241815436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. :) < 1241815438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah. < 1241815463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: after reading that ssd alignment article, do you think LVM is needed? It seems to be but I can't figure out why < 1241815469 0 :oklopol!i=oko@84-155.adsl.lpoy.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1241815475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1241815483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But LVM is sexy. :p < 1241815494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to avoid it unless I need it for alignment :P < 1241815499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll ask tedts'o. < 1241815809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1241815818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the X25-M assumes 20GB of writes a day < 1241815828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you go over that it enables some sort of slowing down thing to extend its life < 1241815837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1241815842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine many people actually write over 20gb/day... < 1241815867 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "slowing down" probably means "only 50 times faster than an avergae HD" < 1241815869 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/gae/age/ < 1241815874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah :P < 1241815965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI THERE YOU RIGHT ABOUT THE BLOCK SIZE I DONT KNOW ANY THING ANY THING ABOUT ERASING A BLOCK BECAUSE LESS BLOCKS SHORTANS THE SSD OR FLASH MEMORY SOO THE SSD AND FLASH MEMORY NOW ARE USEING 1 MB TOO 4 MB BLOCKS NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUD AND BESIDES THE SSD AND FLASH MEMORY CAN LAST OVER 150 YEARS AT 24 7 OPERATION THE FUTURE SSD AND FLASH MEMORY MAY HAVE INFINT READ WRITE < 1241815968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— a comment < 1241816026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, there's a key just to the left of the "a" key. Hit it. Second, here's a 1st grade basic spelling book. < 1241816047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, hell, just to cover everything, here's a grammar textbook, too. < 1241816048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1241816081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Try rapping that comment. It's designed for it, I mean "ANY THING ANY THING"? "SOO"? < 1241816084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so filler to fit beats. < 1241816091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO < 1241816092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI THERE! YOU RIGHT ABOUT THE BLOCK SIZE < 1241816093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DONT < 1241816098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KNOW ANYTHING ANYTHING < 1241816105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, it's meant to be yelled. < 1241816106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABOUT ERASING A BLOCK BECAUSE... < 1241816108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[chorus] < 1241816117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LESS BLOCKS SHORTANS THE SSD OR FLASH < 1241816121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEMORY SOO THE SSD AND FLASH MEMORY < 1241816126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW, ARE USEING 1 MB TOO < 1241816131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 MB BLOCKS -- NOT THE OTHER WAY < 1241816133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[verse] < 1241816136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AROUND, AND, BESIDES < 1241816139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE SSD AND FLASH MEMORY CAN LAST < 1241816140 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1241816143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OVER 150 YEARS AT 24 7 OPERATION < 1241816150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE FUTURE SSD AND FLASH < 1241816153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEMORY MAY HAVE INFINITE WRITE < 1241816156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[repeat chorus] < 1241816160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the SSD Cube Rap. < 1241816171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the time cube? < 1241816172 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's not INFINITE but INFINT. < 1241816175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly, pikhq. < 1241816177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Right you are. < 1241816183 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1241816266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFINT is the int-typed constant for the +inf float value. < 1241816274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241816278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So infint write life? < 1241816280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of writes. < 1241816286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1241816291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do you get +inf in C, again? < 1241816295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like MAXINT, only bigger. < 1241816303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a float < 1241816307 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241816317 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.0f/0? < 1241816322 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that Gene Ray, Doctor of Cubic has gone racist of late < 1241816325 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1e99999? < 1241816336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So int infint = (int)(1.0f/0); < 1241816337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's NAN, not +inf. < 1241816338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh? < 1241816343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you sure? < 1241816343 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Incorrect. < 1241816347 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0/0 is NaN. < 1241816351 0 :tombom_!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1241816353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the macro INFINITY in . < 1241816354 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0 is +inf, -1/0 is -inf. < 1241816362 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how about 1/-0? < 1241816362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, really? < 1241816367 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: -inf. < 1241816370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shakes a fist at floats < 1241816387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % cc -x c /dev/stdin < 1241816387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(void){printf("%i\n",(int)(1.0f/0));return 0;} < 1241816389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin: In function ‘main’: < 1241816389 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so +0 and -0 separates in that cases < 1241816391 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those* < 1241816391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin:1: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ‘printf’ < 1241816393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin:1: warning: division by zero < 1241816395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % ./a.out < 1241816397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2147483647 < 1241816399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in the future, SSD & flash memory will be able to handle 2147483647 writes. < 1241816401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming 32-bit. < 1241816414 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1241816418 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why signed? < 1241816427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFINT. < 1241816429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not INFUINT. < 1241816434 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1241816468 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1241816508 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M' sxat'. < 1241816512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone used vmware? < 1241816519 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually "INFINITE" is defined rather funnily in C99: it expands to (float-typed) constant expression "representing positive or unsigned infinity, if available"; if there is no infinity, it expands to a float constant that overflows at translation time, and therefore forces a diagnostic. < 1241816522 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh. < 1241816539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How are its linux-guest video drivers etc? < 1241816550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parallels' don't install, I've had flakiness with VirtualBox's. < 1241816557 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not bad, though I don't recall them handling 3D. < 1241816588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you think they could handle the latest kernel and Xorg and etc? :P < 1241816588 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, VMware's video drivers are part of X. < 1241816594 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1241816601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of X. ;) < 1241816616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's nice. < 1241816625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do you still have to pay for the version that lets you OMG CREATE YOUR OWN VM? < 1241816638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but you can get a 30-day free trial for that. < 1241816649 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And after that, you can use the player. < 1241816652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hee. < 1241816665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: with Parallels you just had to give a unique email address and reactivate < 1241816669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I noticed Debian installing a xserver-xorg-video-vmware (as a part of xserver-xorg-video metapackage) recentlyish. < 1241816673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :penguinofthegods+youreallfuckingmorons@gmail.com, yum. < 1241816714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: :) < 1241816733 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VMware server is also sort-of freewareish, and it can create VMs. I'm not quite sure what it lacks; probably quite a lot on the GUI and graphics-emulation side. < 1241816756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh. You can't get VMWare Workstation for OS X. < 1241816766 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also have no idea whether you can run vmware-server-created VMs with the player.) < 1241816798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: vmware server wants 5 billion personal details from me >_< < 1241816802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll try qemu. < 1241816808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can emulate regular vga < 1241816842 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qemu emulates the VMware SVGA "card". < 1241816863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-vga type: "vmware" VMWare SVGA-II compatible adapter. Use it if you have sufficiently recent XFree86/XOrg server or Windows guest with a driver for this card." < 1241816883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also emulates a Cirrus noname card, which I use. < 1241816888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, goddamn qemu is slow :-) < 1241816893 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, too. < 1241816902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemu is actually doing emulation. < 1241816916 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there kqemu for OS X? < 1241816939 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"preliminary ports to FreeBSD and MS Windows". < 1241816940 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not. < 1241816947 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no KVM either, of course. < 1241816954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beh I < 1241816956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ll try virtualbox < 1241816973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :User Mode Linux would be the fastest way to have a linux VM, I think. < 1241816983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't it just patch up the kernel so it can be run as a userspace executable? < 1241816992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that's what the name implies to me it should do. < 1241817048 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much, yes. But it's a bit rough around the edges. I used UML for my virtual web-server before switching to Xen. < 1241817063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you virtualize your own server? < 1241817079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, VirtualBox is fast. < 1241817094 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that it's easier to play with snapshots and restoration and things like that. < 1241817104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a webserver? :P < 1241817129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God damn VirtualBox is fast < 1241817149 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; the web server was a single LVM logical-volume snapshot, so I could just discard it if it went bad. < 1241817203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirtualBox uses hardware virtualisation. < 1241817225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's fast. ;) < 1241817241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does Parallels. < 1241817244 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian has a "virtualbox-ose-guest-x11" package if you want to run Linux+X guest in the VM; I'm not sure what other distributions include it too. I guess it does improve the integration a bit. < 1241817244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But virtualbox is faster. < 1241817254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does improve it a lot < 1241817268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't I try Arch before? I love it < 1241817328 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241817425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern electronic-rock music, inaugurated in the early 1960s, is, and always has been, a joint enterprise of British military intelligence and Satanic cults. On the one side, the Satanists control the major rock groups through drugs, sex, threats of violence, and even murder. On the other side, publicity, tours, and recordings are financed by record companies connected to British military intelligence circles. Both sides are intimately entwined with the < 1241817428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biggest business in the world, the international drug trade. < 1241817606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oooh, link? < 1241817612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Miscellaneous/satanic_roots_of_rock.htm < 1241817615 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, can you do flock(2) advisory-locking on a filehandle that's actually an open(2)ed directory? I don't quite see why not, but I've been surprised before. < 1241817637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Clearly, the Beatles' album was dedicated to Satanist Aleister Crowley (pictured to left). It was released 20 years, nearly to the day, after Crowley's death in 1947, and its title song began with the lyrics, "It was twenty years ago today..." The album's cover featured a picture of Crowley." < 1241817646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://station-mir.ginnungagap.in.ua/fb2.png ← Thus proving that all tiling WM users really just want a framebuffer console. <-- wow, url for download? < 1241817664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dvtm < 1241817666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds that hilarious < 1241817668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1241817669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/dvtm/ < 1241817678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to do the multi-split thing you have to put a dvtm in a dvtm < 1241817682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can tile while you tile < 1241817698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Beatles. Picture of innocence. < 1241817702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARNING: MEME DETECTED! EVACUATE CHANNEL! < 1241817717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am the Walrus". Need I say more? < 1241817735 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu's new screen-profiles thing looks rather curious; ran into it when testing a diskless husk of a computer with Ubuntu live-cd-on-a-USB-stick. < 1241817739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the Walrus, whereby "am" I mean "take" and "the Walrus" I mean "heroin". < 1241817752 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1241817757 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "simple little tunes". < 1241817764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Someone's* only listened to one album. < 1241817809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... Wow. Claiming that the Beatle's popularity was a hoax? < 1241817812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow never knows is the most simple tune ever < 1241817814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1241817815 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone cranked the crazy up to 11. < 1241817849 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to X11. (Because that's obviously the pinnacle of crazy.) < 1241817865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1241817899 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they claim Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band was dedicated to the promotion of psychedelic drugs. < 1241817920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong album; that would be just about every late-career album *but* that one. < 1241817933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241817958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgt. Pepper's was merely dedicated to pschedelic rock. < 1241817967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/psch/psych/ < 1241818007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvtm is just wow < 1241818007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241818070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, LSD was 100% legal at the time. :p < 1241818091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(made illegal in '67 or '68...) < 1241818126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Late '66, rather. < 1241818136 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( < 1241818139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'71 for the UK) < 1241818300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you should have forced me to get arch working, dammit :-D < 1241818310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't you get it working? < 1241818317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1241818319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant earlier. < 1241818325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a ruddy good distro. < 1241818338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why? Then you would have hated it because I forced you to do it I bet ;P < 1241818390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True :P < 1241818404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, it's nice. < 1241818410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should totally use apt though/ < 1241818414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241818415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/$// < 1241818428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only ever had one issue with it's package manager. < 1241818435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't had any. < 1241818437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like apt ;-) < 1241818439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good :) < 1241818448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they fixed it < 1241818451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although pacman's probably second-best. < 1241818452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every binary distro should use apt; it's freaking awesome. < 1241818500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially with such features as debootstrap... < 1241818524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so very easy to set up a Xen VM running Debian...) < 1241818530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran into some issue about pacman complaining that it couldn't upgrade bash because "/usr/share/man/man1/bash.1.gz already exists". I haven't seen that bug for months though < 1241818548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they fixed it < 1241818587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I guess you will get the occasional issue with arch. since it is so bleeding edge usually. < 1241818603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like bleeding edge. < 1241818606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually easy enough to fix, and the irc channel is very friendly and helpful < 1241818610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm using ext4 for everything but /boot! < 1241818618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just declared stable in... december? < 1241818619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1241818638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, the "AUR" thing has virtualbox-additions as a package. < 1241818655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was thinking more about "gcc 4.3.3 in stable less than a week after it was released" < 1241818667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tip for AUR: use yauort < 1241818670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think gcc releases are generally conservative in themselves < 1241818671 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaourt* < 1241818676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catchy name. < 1241818681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I love tab complete :P < 1241818683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, forgot to change hostname. < 1241818685 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1241818691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1241818695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the vm < 1241818697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay: change hostname, add user account, install sudo, passwd -l root. < 1241818699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241818726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh. What happened to man passwd < 1241818738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magick. < 1241818739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh locale issues < 1241818742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1241818748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :passwd - ändra användarlösenord < 1241818749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny < 1241818759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why I have the man page in Swedish at all... < 1241818778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pacman -Sy sudo, la la la la la < 1241818786 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iwonder how safe it is raid0 ssds < 1241818797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now I changed things in a different way < 1241818801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is even crasier < 1241818804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazier* < 1241818805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : passwd - Axndra anvAxndarlA9|senord < 1241818813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how that could happen < 1241818814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: It should be fine. You considering it? I'd just buy the $600 160GB one if so; it'll be cheaper overall probably < 1241818822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's not as if OS drives need an awful lot. < 1241818835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should say: "passwd - Ändra användarlösenord" < 1241818854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or better, in English < 1241818856 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: just curios < 1241818867 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two raid0 drives are faster than 1 big one... < 1241818884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I highly doubt it would be possible to notice the difference with an SSD> < 1241818888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/>$/./ < 1241818890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: No seeking. < 1241818893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1241818898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a matching command to su < 1241818900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for group < 1241818904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1241818905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sg < 1241818905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sg < 1241818907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1241818908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1241818910 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: read/write bandwidth is doubled < 1241818913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I just never noticed it before! < 1241818919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't use it a lot < 1241818929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I know about sgid binaries, like nethack < 1241818930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it'd probably end up more or less unnoticable for the cost < 1241818934 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1241818944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack is setgid? < 1241818945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1241818951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoreboard files? < 1241818956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241818956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1241818958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1241818961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgid games < 1241818968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1241818971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaourt isn't in arch :-D < 1241818978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I have to do what it does manually to get it < 1241818980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is in AUR < 1241819005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so what you do is, get that manually and build it, then use yaourt for all future AUR package installs < 1241819009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1241819011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including updating yaourt < 1241819021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need base-devel won't I < 1241819039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember what language yaourt is in < 1241819041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1241819044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1241819046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need makepkg binary < 1241819047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well do it < 1241819049 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://hothardware.com/News/Intel-SSDs-RAID-0-A-Case-Study-In-Speed-Take-2/ < 1241819051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :year < 1241819054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yeah < 1241819057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is rather simple to build it anyway < 1241819067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as normal user create a directory < 1241819067 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241819071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd into said directory < 1241819085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget or otherwise download the PKGBUILD and any other patch files listed at the AUR web page for it < 1241819088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then makepkg -c < 1241819090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: The question is whether it is noticable in 90% of regular usage cases < 1241819095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*noticeable < 1241819102 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: who cares, it's fast as shit < 1241819116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: So's our $80k system < 1241819119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you will have a *i686.tar.gz (replace i686 with x86_64 or such if that is what you use) < 1241819128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading the wiki for it AnMaster < 1241819130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wiki page < 1241819130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you do sudo pacman -U thispackagefile < 1241819138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where that is that tar.gz < 1241819141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, good :) < 1241819155 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't even need to install it the first time? < 1241819159 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ask it to install itself < 1241819165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I didn't know that < 1241819170 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you need to do is get the binary working < 1241819173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Yaourt < 1241819175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two ways < 1241819180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy way is to install it via pacman < 1241819188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But meh @ that < 1241819201 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend archlinuxfr < 1241819205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you? < 1241819205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why. < 1241819211 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easiest. < 1241819221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it's just a few commands to install yaourt < 1241819240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's a one-time thing; no sense cluttering the repo list < 1241819243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, installing a package from source on gentoo is *even* easier < 1241819243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241819251 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUR updates are more painful than non-AUR. < 1241819259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: If you really have the cash, RAID 0 some of the X25-*E*s. < 1241819259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that's true < 1241819261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Bah, fine. < 1241819267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: That'll be superfast. < 1241819271 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1241819284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really have the cash, we speced a $80,000 machine. < 1241819286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241819293 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a completely useless machine < 1241819311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, can I see the full component list of it please < 1241819312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's useful for regular computing tasks as well as the crazy shit :P < 1241819319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, but I can give you one. < 1241819319 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably far better to get 4 $20,000 machines or, I dunno, 80 $1,000 machines. < 1241819331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err? < 1241819344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Here: < 1241819348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://pastie.org/472570.txt?key=gzff3jen8qjjkn1gx7brlg < 1241819352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :native language joke detected < 1241819356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't include a power supply or case or well a lot of things < 1241819356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1241819357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a joke < 1241819360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's how far we got < 1241819367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we got bored since it was trivial to spill money on the rest < 1241819369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't finish it? < 1241819372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1241819374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see last line < 1241819381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What does archlinuxfr contain apart from yaourt, then? < 1241819382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :300GB VelociRaptor ($229.99) x 58 = $13,339.42 < 1241819386 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got bored. < 1241819389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you go SSD? < 1241819394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but that came to $44k < 1241819397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we decided it was stupid < 1241819399 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't know how to query Pacman for that. I'm fairly sure I've got something else from it, too. < 1241819401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can grow pretty much unbounded with them < 1241819415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: so how are AUR upgrades harder? < 1241819416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can grow unbounded with disks too < 1241819418 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Though we'd need a less beefy PSU for them. < 1241819428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would actually matter with such a system. < 1241819428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;( < 1241819429 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1241819432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but we just scaled down so it wasn't so much cheating < 1241819449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the case isn't there < 1241819455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor is the power supply < 1241819458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241819458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we. got. bored. < 1241819460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241819461 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: For one thing, each AUR package is update-checked separately, instead of just checking a database timestamp (or hash? Not sure how it works) < 1241819461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could in principle have infinite storage, daisy-chaining external SAS RAID units. < 1241819461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1241819472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, exactly < 1241819474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the latency would suck < 1241819481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can easily spend 5 gajillion dollars in storage < 1241819483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be horrendous. < 1241819487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's harder to spend it on, say, CPUs < 1241819487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : We could in principle have infinite storage, daisy-chaining external SAS RAID units. < 1241819487 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could do it. < 1241819489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooh < 1241819492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and graphics cards < 1241819496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And get several exabytes. < 1241819503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTM here I come! < 1241819507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How to run a turing machine: Daisy chain them as you go. < 1241819514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: :D < 1241819514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in principle!) < 1241819519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latency is so low that they'll have time to come in tomorrow and do it at their leisure. < 1241819521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1241819522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so high < 1241819526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I said that two seconds before! < 1241819529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on this side) < 1241819532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO < 1241819533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I thought of it before, though < 1241819537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wasn't at the keyboard < 1241819538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hard to know < 1241819552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: about 3-4s brain-to-start-typing latency there < 1241819575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was thinking of it as soon as pikhq mentioned it. " We could in principle have infinite storage, daisy-chaining external SAS RAID units." < 1241819601 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is completely pointless < 1241819608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241819609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1241819626 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bus bandwidth and that < 1241819644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"error: could not register 'archlinuxfr' database (unexpected system error)" ← pretty cryptic error for "you didn't run me as root" < 1241819646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, read the context kay? < 1241819652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'm now imagining a freaking massive data center, filled with nothing but disks and a single system, hooked up to it via 8 SAS cables. < 1241819654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: How ironic < 1241819656 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't put more than 10tb/server < 1241819657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed. < 1241819661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed again < 1241819663 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yaourt uses sudo automatically. < 1241819669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW < 1241819670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW < 1241819670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: We realise this. < 1241819672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW < 1241819674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um what < 1241819676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: MAKE IT STOP!! < 1241819677 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Or su, not sure which. < 1241819681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Automatically sudoing is the devil. < 1241819682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, sudo < 1241819684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: We're joking about means to create a UTM, man. < 1241819684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1241819691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it tells you in advance iirc < 1241819693 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read somewhere that it actually tries both. < 1241819698 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1241819700 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeew. < 1241819704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is very clear with what it does < 1241819714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just shouldn't. < 1241819721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, then it wouldn't work < 1241819727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you shouldn't build packages as root < 1241819733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... what? < 1241819737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyever not? < 1241819747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, building as normal user is recommended < 1241819747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's exactly what I intend to do. < 1241819751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O Why? < 1241819753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then installing as root < 1241819757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, search me < 1241819762 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Malicious PKGBUILDs. < 1241819763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses fakeroot anyway < 1241819768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is no obvious reason < 1241819772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, so I only use all my home. Awesome. < 1241819778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but makepkg uses fakeroot! < 1241819780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like all my valuable data is on there or anything. < 1241819785 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about fakeroot. < 1241819792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to use it as root. < 1241819798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretends to be root. < 1241819799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway IMO it should just su to a temp user < 1241819807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, don't you agree? < 1241819812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1241819812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fails if it does anything actually unsafe. < 1241819815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1241819820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaourt is written in Bash. < 1241819826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it internally does "su - package-builder" < 1241819828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1241819829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran "yaourt" and I watched each line of help scroll by individually, one by one. < 1241819833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how slow it is :-) < 1241819833 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I thought Portage was bad. < 1241819834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1241819836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it was fast for me < 1241819845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Portage is written in Python, with attempts to rewrite it in C) < 1241819848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, um... portage does change to a different user. < 1241819851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Runing [sic] yaourt as a non-privileged user requiers[sic] some entries in sudoers file:" < 1241819861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hey they were french! < 1241819861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I was describing how fakeroot works. < 1241819863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tells you how to make pacman be sudoable by everyone, pretty much) < 1241819866 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time yaourt --help >/dev/null -> 0.13user 0.38system < 1241819868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So by default it doesn't do that < 1241819876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not what Portage does for its sandboxing. < 1241819879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: VM, yo. < 1241819881 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241819883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, similar results on my P3 even < 1241819894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ehird's computer suck badly we see, < 1241819895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1241819898 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point was that that is a long time. < 1241819901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. My virtual computer sucks. < 1241819902 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.4 seconds to output a string? < 1241819904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, portage sandboxes in two ways < 1241819907 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Jeeze. < 1241819912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, 1) change to different user < 1241819915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) LD_PRELOAD < 1241819920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there a command that decides between yaourt and pacman automagically? < 1241819920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to be extra secure < 1241819929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: should just do as macports: chroot < 1241819937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically. < 1241819955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well you could write a module to do that I think < 1241819966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Uh... Portage isn't much better. < 1241819968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put the base libraries and all the packages' dependencies into a build directory, chroot in, su to low-powered user that still has rights to the whole chroot, build & install package < 1241819969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, however that needs to mirror stuff in the chroot < 1241819971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo emerge --help 1.29s user 0.16s system 98% cpu 1.463 total < 1241819973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go out of chroot, copy files over < 1241819989 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I was not comparing to Portage. < 1241819997 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows < 1241820004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was < 1241820012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was curious < 1241820014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:58 ehird: hmm, is there a command that decides between yaourt and pacman automagically? < 1241820016 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses /me < 1241820019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ! < 1241820023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# time pmerge --help &>/dev/null < 1241820023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real 0m0.187s < 1241820023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user 0m0.148s < 1241820023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys 0m0.034s < 1241820024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1241820026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo pacman -S xorg < 1241820028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkgcore for the win! < 1241820031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1241820036 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ldc --help-hidden is over three times as long, and outputs in 0.00 seconds. < 1241820041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 21:58 ehird: hmm, is there a command that decides between yaourt and pacman automagically? < 1241820056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean like install deps for AUR packages when needed from the normal repos? < 1241820062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yaourt can do that < 1241820068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that too, but also, 'foo -S packagethatsinmainrepo' < 1241820069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also < 1241820073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'foo -S packgeinaur' < 1241820073 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1241820074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both work < 1241820080 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yaourt has a pacman-compatible interface. < 1241820083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, again yaourt can already do that < 1241820084 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some additions. < 1241820094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like slowterface. < 1241820105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why isn't yaourt the official pacman? < 1241820105 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing I've found that pacman can do that yaourt can't is output a help string for a specific command. < 1241820108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what in "interface" implies fast. < 1241820132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, interface is something slow. Like 200 baud serial. < 1241820133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241820141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as well) < 1241820159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think the big peaks and valleys are a result of high erase/re-write latency of MLC flash. You don't see that with SLC actually." < 1241820161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's true. < 1241820164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not what Anand told me :P < 1241820177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Anand? Nand? andand? < 1241820184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anand. anandtech.com < 1241820193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out what logical operation anand would be < 1241820197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a nand + and? < 1241820199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An and, obviously. < 1241820206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see wut i did thur < 1241820220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEME WARNING? < 1241820229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1241820230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anand < 1241820231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An and < 1241820233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241820234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1241820238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" see wut i did thur" < 1241820242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has meme warning? < 1241820242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a meme. < 1241820245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a cheesy phrase. < 1241820246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1241820251 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241820254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Cheddar? < 1241820265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See what I did cheddar? < 1241820268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that doesn't work. < 1241820280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true, cheddar is too dry I guess. < 1241820304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know the *English* names of other cheeses < 1241820308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly < 1241820327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1241820328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even American "cheese"? < 1241820338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :American sleaze. < 1241820362 0 :nooga!n=nooga@c139-44.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1241820364 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyh < 1241820371 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiotic problem < 1241820462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what creeps me out? Seeing CPUs. Too fucking small parts, dammit! < 1241820613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? I have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf < 1241820694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1241820704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm garlic < 1241820732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241820739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, latest X11 doesn't need it < 1241820745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto config stuff < 1241820747 0 :oklopol!i=oko@85.131.26.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241820760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: strongly garlic flavoured bread + butter + cheddar < 1241820761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241820764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, agree? < 1241820771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take that silence as a yes < 1241820843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's about blackjack and hookers with that? Y'know what, screw the bread. And the blackjack! < 1241820911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" <-- heuristics detected popular culture reference but not found in database. < 1241820912 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241820925 0 :oklopol!i=oko@84-155.adsl.lpoy.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1241820926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Futurama. < 1241820933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1241820981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another one of those shows that Fox thought "Oh, it's good! Cancel it!" < 1241820988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what does the game blackjack have to do with it. < 1241821006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Quoting Bender. < 1241821011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1241821017 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, channeling, rather. < 1241821019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what was the original context for it < 1241821034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bender likes gambling. < 1241821038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241821039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about it. < 1241821043 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Consider reading curl -I slashdot.org on occasion. < 1241821043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean "channeling"? < 1241821054 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not quite a quote. < 1241821063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what does -I do? < 1241821066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He never said anything about bread, specifically. ;) < 1241821073 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Consider reading curl --help. < 1241821073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, true < 1241821086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from what google tells me) < 1241821093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when googling for the exact phrase) < 1241821112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -I/--head Show document info only < 1241821113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241821122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, right that one is old < 1241821130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-Fry: Sweet justice! Sweet, juicy justice! < 1241821135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen other ones for other clients < 1241821149 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't depend on client, it varies by timestamp. < 1241821155 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it changes every minute or something. < 1241821167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, more than that < 1241821170 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, if you know of it, haven't you ever seen 'X-Bender'? < 1241821176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every single request < 1241821182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not that I remember < 1241821192 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241821196 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241821202 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it a couple of times, then, until you do, and you will have. < 1241821203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I knew they did strange things in their headers. But I never really cared about it < 1241821212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-Bender: Nothing like a warm fire and a super-soaker of fine cognac. < 1241821214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1241821215 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1241821216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a "strange thing". < 1241821237 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just serve up random Futurama quotes in X-. < 1241821241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-Fry: That doesn't look like an "L", unless you count lower case. < 1241821245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is futurama too? < 1241821246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who does? < 1241821251 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: /. < 1241821252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never watched futurama < 1241821253 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah. < 1241821257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ah. < 1241821267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You should; it's brilliant. < 1241821269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, rebus time? < 1241821279 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think it was that brilliant, actually. It was OK. < 1241821284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well maybe, I don't have a tv currently < 1241821291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't had for over a year < 1241821300 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not currently aired. < 1241821302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor a TV card < 1241821306 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, TV won't help. < 1241821310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I don't do pirate copies. < 1241821315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BitTorrent or DVDs. < 1241821324 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No love for VHS? < 1241821337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, actually I still have a VHS player somewhere. Just no TV < 1241821341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use it with < 1241821368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Actually, Comedy Central recently started a new season. So, never mind. < 1241821377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this VHS player is so old it has a *wired* remote < 1241821382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in a cable for the remote :D < 1241821395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's from the 1980s iirc) < 1241821446 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1241821450 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newegg shipped my stuff < 1241821498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway buying the DVD would require me to figure out how to use a non-data dvd in my computer < 1241821506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess mplayer could handle it < 1241821514 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a matter of putting it in the drive and pointing a player at it. < 1241821530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but mplayer has arcane syntax for doing that sort of stuff < 1241821537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like mplayer cdda://1-2 < 1241821542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it was for cd < 1241821542 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use a GUI. < 1241821551 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer smplayer myself. < 1241821557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, xine is messy. kmplayer is confusing. < 1241821558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:12 AnMaster: ehird, latest X11 doesn't need it < 1241821558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:12 AnMaster: auto config stuff < 1241821559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1241821565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes. it uses hal and dbus < 1241821572 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's right, X11 no longer needs a conf < 1241821579 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still make one, of course. < 1241821581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241821630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's nice. < 1241821638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still use the config because 1) I already have a working one and I don't see a point in learning a different system 2) X auto config by hal had issues with my joystick before. < 1241821658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's easy to do with mplay. < 1241821662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer dvd:// < 1241821663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :issues == refused to let me use it for anything < 1241821664 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer, rather. < 1241821687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to use axis 8 and 9 for mouse in X, and button 27 for click in X. The rest is left to the flight sim < 1241821697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works just fine with the good old joystick driver in X < 1241821725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1241821729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :axis 10 and 11 < 1241821731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 8 and 9 < 1241821747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 and 9 are... uh, the two wheels on the throttle I think < 1241821767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many axises (axes?) to remember < 1241821780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have it in the config for the flightsim :) < 1241821852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is "Super Audio CD"? < 1241821862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1241821887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I saw some crazy cds recently. You know those old mini-format cds? < 1241821896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they were discussed in here recently < 1241821914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while mentioning that they broke slot-style cd drives < 1241821926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I saw one just last week < 1241821931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This autoconfig thing is so awesome that it doesn't let me move my mouse. < 1241821934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A SACD is not a CD. < 1241821937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I make it generate a skeleton xorg.conf? < 1241821980 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is physically a DVD, IIRC. < 1241821991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, really? I saw this phrase oh the cover of a music cd: "OBS! Denna Super Audio CD går även att spela på en vanlig CD-spelare." <-- "Observe! This Super Audio CD can also be played on a normal CD player" < 1241822006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how that works then < 1241822032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hybrid: The most popular of the three types, hybrid discs include a "Red Book" layer compatible with most legacy Compact Disc players, dubbed the "CD layer," and a 4.7 GB SACD layer, dubbed the "HD layer." It is not uncommon for hybrid discs to carry the "Compact Disc Digital Audio" logo to show that the disc is CDDA-compliant."' < 1241822037 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's clever. < 1241822045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1241822047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1241822068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a DVD player in a computer play the super audio layer in it? < 1241822077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that there is absolutely no Linux support for SACD. < 1241822081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1241822084 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With software support, yes. < 1241822085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: would you happen to know? < 1241822094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, really sure? < 1241822096 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software support is rare. < 1241822118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and SACD uses 96 kHz to 192 kHz audio; most sound cards can't handle it) < 1241822118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really sure. < 1241822122 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: xorgconfig, or whatever it's called? < 1241822133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wouldn't it need a different laser type? < 1241822141 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, google for one < 1241822154 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: As said, the SACD layer is physically a DVD. < 1241822159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1241822179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't seem to use PCM sound at all; it's a one-bit delta-sigma encoding thing with 2822.4 kHz sampling rate. < 1241822199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SACD is DRM'd, and it has yet to be cracked. < 1241822202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I highly doubt humans can distinguish better sampling than a CD. < 1241822203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1241822208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, agreed < 1241822224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was just interested in the music on it. that was all < 1241822228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1241822228 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: In some cases, humans can distinguish 48 kHz. < 1241822232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd quality is good enough for me < 1241822236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But *that* is soley because of poor ADCs. < 1241822244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADCs? < 1241822250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. DAC. < 1241822252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analog Digital converter? < 1241822254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1241822259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that makes more sense < 1241822261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck... Most people can't distinguish 128kbps MP3s from CD quality. < 1241822263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that includes you < 1241822277 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I can. < 1241822285 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infallopedia says that SACD's quality is comparable to a 20-bit PCM format and a 192 kHz sampling rate. Though it's not exactly the same thing. < 1241822288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heck... Most people can't distinguish 128kbps MP3s from CD quality. <-- Depends on what music. For some types of music the difference is more noticable < 1241822290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Show the double-blind ABX test results, please. < 1241822291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :192 kbps MP3s are quite a bit more difficult to distinguish, though. < 1241822298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Otherwise you're talking shit. < 1241822310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You first. < 1241822311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1241822315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "Your search - Infallopedia - did not match any documents." < 1241822318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I fully admit I cannot distinguish them. < 1241822323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it was a portmaneuver < 1241822324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you meant wikipedia < 1241822329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1241822339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure if it was an existing joke of wikipedia < 1241822344 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes; it's the only infallible thing around here. < 1241822344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uncyclopedia < 1241822355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a nick for wikipedia < 1241822356 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious that it's not a term that's in use. < 1241822359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have no xorgconfig. < 1241822361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's in sbin. < 1241822369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why do you want it < 1241822371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1241822373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it auto configures < 1241822375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to generate a skeleton xorg.conf < 1241822375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241822378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can modify it < 1241822379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you don't need it. < 1241822387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mouse doesn't work, AnMaster. < 1241822388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you do it by editing HAL config < 1241822392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1241822393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. How? < 1241822399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to use the vboxmouse driver. < 1241822408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it uses evdev < 1241822413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241822414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nice :-P < 1241822416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a different driver < 1241822416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1241822419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be hard < 1241822425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: don't ask me. I compiled xorg without hal support < 1241822432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be fine with evdev if I could use the mouse < 1241822436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :becuase I hate hal. With a passion. < 1241822445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love hal. < 1241822447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it wouldn't allow the nice integration thingy < 1241822453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why < 1241822454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on < 1241822454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so workitude. < 1241822455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :earth < 1241822466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"workitude"...? < 1241822478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: (1) I don't care about the integration thingy (2) Because it's never broken for me, ever, and it means I do a lot less configuring. < 1241822512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why do you want "vboxmouse" if you don't want the integration bit < 1241822518 0 :okloduk!i=oko@84-155.adsl.lpoy.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1241822519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241822520 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I just got spam with the title "Stop sendingme this crap". < 1241822522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because I Cannot Move My Mouse. < 1241822524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does lsusb show your mouse? < 1241822527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just stays there. < 1241822534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, just two root hubs. < 1241822535 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if spam senders take titles from messages they receive? < 1241822536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it PS/2? < 1241822542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok PS/2 I guess hm < 1241822542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's virtual. I don't know < 1241822553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it has to fake it to the guest *somehow* < 1241822553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I dmesg? < 1241822562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no. Try gpm instead < 1241822566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1241822567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or even better < 1241822567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS/2 mouse < 1241822573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from dmesg|grep -i ps/2 < 1241822591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 8.075700] PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 < 1241822591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 8.093979] PNP: PS/2 appears to have AUX port disabled, if this is incorrect please boot with i8042.nopnp < 1241822591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 8.132103] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice < 1241822593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that? < 1241822605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but also: < 1241822609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't have a PS/2 mouse, I do have a PS/2 keyboard though) < 1241822625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psmouse serio1: ID: 10 00 64<6>input: ImExPS/2 Generic Explorer Mouse as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input5 < 1241822630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241822630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed that out by hand :P < 1241822660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, try #xorg < 1241822664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they deserve it < 1241822677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did they ever do to you? < 1241822687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, begin using HAL for auto config dammit! < 1241822693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what they did < 1241822698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that! < 1241822700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck xorg.conf. < 1241822701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :traitors to true UNIX-kind < 1241822709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er... HAL is more unix than the old system. < 1241822716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do one thing, do it well, use it everywhere. < 1241822727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, traitors to true-"what UNIX was in practice"-kind < 1241822729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1241822737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1241822738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not UNIXy in any form. < 1241822753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :traitors to true-ICCCP-kind? < 1241822758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spelling?) < 1241822768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1241822774 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot, signed up for a Scheme course. < 1241822786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Have you read your SICP today? < 1241822789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241822790 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1241822791 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Maybe I should do it too. < 1241822796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICCC-kind < 1241822798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I meant < 1241822813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Read SICP < 1241822820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: International Christian Chamber of Commerce? < 1241822820 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The IRC channel they mention is kind of quiet. < 1241822822 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's the course book, so I might, partly. < 1241822827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nter- Client Communications Conventions < 1241822829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241822831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inter- Client Communications Conventions < 1241822832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: *insert /prog/snake* < 1241822833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1241822834 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only chapters 3-5 for the course, though. < 1241822837 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've been meaning to learn a Lisp anyway, so I figured I might as well do it thus. :-) < 1241822847 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1241822856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well read 1-2 then! < 1241822858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can never have enough < 1241822859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>SICP<<. < 1241822860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it must have been mentioned in that "unix haters handbook" you love to refer to < 1241822880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm pretty sure UNIX-HATERS would be aligned with a HAL-like system more than duplicate, incompatible configurations < 1241822895 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "the material to read for the exam are the chapters 3-5 of SICP"; I guess chapters 1+2 could be relevant for the homeworks, though. < 1241822897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, only if HAL worked < 1241822906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old system works better in practise < 1241822910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's called bugs, not design deficiencies. And it works for me. < 1241822911 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I did the old Scheme course, but this one seems to be the Extended Edition. < 1241822916 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can bring the coursebook to the exam." < 1241822920 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ho-ho < 1241822923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so you can move your mouse now? < 1241822924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1241822934 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, SICP isn't very useful in that sense, I guess, so it makes sense. < 1241822948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: In case you haven't realised, VMs are not the typical use case of Linux. < 1241822956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, it'll just be flicking a switch somewhere < 1241822966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have no idea where < 1241822968 0 :okloduk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1241823027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can xorg deal with a partial xorg.conf? < 1241823030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., just specifying one thing? < 1241823053 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why not < 1241823072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, unknown < 1241823082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"procedural abstraction, data abstraction, functional programming, concurrency, streams and lazy evaluation, programming language interpreters, logic programming, register machines and machine language programming"; that's a rather wide-ranging list; though it's pretty directly from the book. < 1241823091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but you need to turn off HAL to define any input devices at all iirc < 1241823094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is all or nothing < 1241823100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you can tell HAL to ignore the mouse < 1241823102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now THAT is stupid. < 1241823121 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure you can tell HAL to ignore the mouse. < 1241823141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, read (short) http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.5-upgrade-guide.xml < 1241823152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it describes the differences to between classical and HAL < 1241823261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, my keyboard is dead too, it seems. < 1241823309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I only had troubles with HAL. < 1241823335 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had no troubles with HAL. < 1241823344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditto. Apart from this minor VM-related one. < 1241823368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would call "keyboard and mouse not working" rather "major" < 1241823381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... in Yet Another Virtual Machine. < 1241823386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very major < 1241823495 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minix ftw < 1241823510 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's smaller than my unix flavoured kernel < 1241823523 0 :okloduk!n=nnscript@84.250.47.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241823524 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does something... unlike mine kernel ;p < 1241823550 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got stupid problem < 1241823630 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing SADOL editor, which should highlight parameters called by function under cursor < 1241823659 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've got problem finding proper AST node using cursor coordinates < 1241823717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION so loves when non-Swedish websites misses åäö when mentioning Swedish things resulting in hilarious results < 1241823732 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Resulting in results < 1241823732 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"When you get sad stop being sad and be awesome instead." < 1241823750 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :insulting re insults < 1241823768 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1241823790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a piece of music called "Förklädd gud" (translation: God in Disguise) was written as "Forkladd gud" meaning something like "traveled grease god" < 1241823806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the latter is gramatically incorrect. < 1241823808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241823827 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh < 1241823829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kladd isn't grease really hm. grease is "kladdig" though < 1241823840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kladd is more like sticky/greasy/messy < 1241823862 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe2ffa00-68.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1241823865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syrup is "kladdig" too < 1241823868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an example < 1241823875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway the result was hilarious < 1241823893 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :TraveledGreaseGo < 1241823900 0 :TraveledGreaseGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1241823905 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, ehird, can you at least support bayes becoming active so it doesn't get deregistered?> < 1241823911 0 :TraveledGreaseGo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :TravelGreaseGod < 1241823926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1241823931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd mess with quorum. < 1241823939 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing < 1241823945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for you maybe < 1241823959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow another one in same site: "öron" (translation: ears) was changed to "oron" (translation: the worry) < 1241823962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1241823975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oron öron < 1241823977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worry of ears < 1241823980 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1241823988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err < 1241823992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1241823996 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :superkabel ;D < 1241823998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oron över öron" < 1241824003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be that < 1241824012 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moron over moron? < 1241824014 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pah < 1241824019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :över meaning over, that being the correct preposition to use in there in Swedish < 1241824041 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even latin has such a phenomenon in only a few cases < 1241824052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, what phenomenon? < 1241824120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, ö is not o with dots in Swedish. The difference is as large as between v and w or, a and e in English < 1241824129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is what you meant < 1241824140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a completely different letter in the alphabet < 1241824152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronounced completely differently < 1241824190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ö < 1241824191 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1241824199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ö#Letter_.C3.96_in_Scandinavian_languages to be specific < 1241824214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, the same is true for a vs å and a vs ä < 1241824223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are three totally different letters < 1241824227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with totally different sounds < 1241824251 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sounds? < 1241824254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Å#Scandinavian_languages < 1241824275 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The short version represents IPA /ɔ/. < 1241824277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, wikipedia says: "In Swedish, Ö is pronounced [øː] (e.g. "öl"), [œ] (e.g. "kött") or [ɶ] (e.g. "dörr")." < 1241824278 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's sure helpful < 1241824281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1241824298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, I can't make a recording atm. People sleeping in next room. < 1241824301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe tomorrow < 1241824303 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1241824328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ä#As_an_independent_letter < 1241824344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1241824360 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe2ffa00-68.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1241824398 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm removing support for multiple players, it just makes everything 10 times more complicated < 1241824401 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ugly < 1241824423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, what esolang? < 1241824476 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an esolang < 1241824479 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just being off-topic :p < 1241824539 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is the first real-w-orld thing I've written in haskell < 1241824541 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't tell ehird) < 1241824551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, he reads logs you know < 1241824556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also here. < 1241824557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you already highlighted him ;P < 1241824560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and that < 1241824569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm well aware of comex's haskell incompetence. < 1241824593 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep, it's a joke < 1241824607 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@81.191.155.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241824640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The configuration of dvtm is done by creating a custom config.h < 1241824640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (re)compiling the source code. < 1241824641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1241824653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dwm. < 1241824663 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same in Polish...: łącze -> link, lacze -> flat tires < 1241824667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, it's not hard to parse an ini. < 1241824668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I haven't used dwm < 1241824674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it does the exact same. < 1241824678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1241824678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that dvtm = dwm for framebuffer. < 1241824706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we need awesome vtm < 1241824707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1241824710 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :robić łaskę -> to show mercy, robić laske -> to do a blowjob < 1241824715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and tmonad < 1241824734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://grx.no/kb/2008/08/17/notes-on-setting-up-arch-linux-in-virtualbox-with-awesome-wm/ < 1241824738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should be helpful. < 1241824742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: now -that'd- be overkill. < 1241824761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, with a plugin architecture of course :P < 1241824774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably going to use pekwm < 1241824798 0 :okloduk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241824994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can mix layouts in one window? < 1241825004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pekwm isn't tiling < 1241825019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in dvtm < 1241825026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241825057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just run dvtm in dvtm. < 1241825068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1241825068 0 :TravelGreaseGod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1241825077 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn! < 1241825104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TravelGreaseGod it was a non-exact translation anyway < 1241825122 0 :TravelGreaseGod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I just thought it sounded funny :P < 1241825135 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys, i've got such thing < 1241825137 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbg: parsing "+12" < 1241825138 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbg: ["+", (0,0), [1, (1,0)], [2, (2,0)]] < 1241825165 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x,y) are coordinates of node in text field < 1241825227 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'd like to be able to find a node which has specified coordinates without traversing the tree every time < 1241825267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forgets how to unmount a loopback mount < 1241825284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo umount . says it's busy... < 1241825309 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to map the tree, somehow < 1241825331 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why doesn't my del key work in ghci < 1241825340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: because ur doin it rong < 1241825379 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it inserts '~' < 1241825384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correct way to say "traveled grease god" would be "berest smörjgud" < 1241825386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1241825393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that is a lossy translation too < 1241825398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1241825411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loosy? lossy? losy? I can never remember that < 1241825415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lossy < 1241825417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1241825513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though actually "berest" is more like "well-traveled" < 1241825532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "for" is more like "yesterday I traveled somewhere" < 1241825627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241825652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway important hint for the future: Should you ever need to write a Swedish name, song title or other word: Don't drop any dots. In the best case it will look rather silly. In the worst case it will either be incomprehensible or mean something totally different. < 1241825714 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1241825726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hi < 1241825732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1241825747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you might want to read the scrollback over silly dropping dots and rings from Swedish words < 1241825760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the reason GregorR is now known as TravelGreaseGod < 1241825771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1241825782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it is hilarious < 1241825846 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehhh < 1241825898 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;'pc < 1241825905 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my cat walks on my keyboard < 1241825934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still wonders how they managed to name SATA < 1241825946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems - a little too close to something :D < 1241825961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: am I missing something < 1241825988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: an N, possibly < 1241826009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Santa? I see. :P < 1241826015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1241826022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ehird -----### < 1241826023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think he was thinking of satan < 1241826031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats AnMaster -----### < 1241826044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits oerjan o=========E < 1241826053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, AnMaster _is_ satan < 1241826058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241826061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trident proves it < 1241826065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, fire poker != trident < 1241826076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see three prongs, q.e.d. < 1241826092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, err my fire poker dowstairs *does* have three prongs < 1241826101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is a fireplace in this house < 1241826137 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always good to have for tormenting souls, i guess < 1241826141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact two of them, and the fire poker at one of them has two prongs, and the fire poker at the other one has three prongs < 1241826145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it varies < 1241826158 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1241826236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha < 1241826241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there still? < 1241826245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241826248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is even more hilarios at same site < 1241826255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hilarious < 1241826261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"önskekonsert" -> "onskekonsert" < 1241826287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning? < 1241826295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former means "wished for/dream concert", the second means "evil concert" < 1241826306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err concert or concerto in English? < 1241826322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241826330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, both exist. < 1241826337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1241826351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does both mean the same? < 1241826355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`no < 1241826356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how do you unmount a loop back? < 1241826367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends on how you loop mounted it < 1241826380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount -o loop < 1241826381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount -o loop /file /directory < 1241826384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just umount < 1241826385 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a concerto is probably a concert that's been too much in italy < 1241826391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was in the dir < 1241826402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, should work the same? < 1241826410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umount . obviously fails < 1241826419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah like that < 1241826420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1241826429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if you used losetup and then mount you would need to umount then use losetup to remove it < 1241826454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with -o loop it is just umount < 1241826462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use SATA for solving SAT, then you're really on thin ice < 1241826471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, SAT being? < 1241826479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :satisfaction problem < 1241826481 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1241826487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is this a pun < 1241826496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a school test in the US, i think < 1241826506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for "hell frozen over joke" < 1241826509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: continuation of previous < 1241826510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis. < 1241826523 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more common of the two college entrance exams. < 1241826536 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell is not frozen over, we have spring here in trøndelag now < 1241826538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :school test in UK too < 1241826541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ... < 1241826548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different though < 1241826558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Different test. < 1241826565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241826572 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241826573 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Norway < 1241826611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hah < 1241826643 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1241826645 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been there < 1241826661 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in A (with this tiny circle upon) < 1241826668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarious < 1241826676 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less than an hour's drive from trondheim, and just before our airport < 1241826706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also the north-south trains pass through it, obviously < 1241826707 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, trondheim < 1241826711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, with godsexpeditionen too! < 1241826713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241826714 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that stupid statue < 1241826724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what stupid statue? < 1241826731 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure we have many :D < 1241826746 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one with this "viking" near the water < 1241826750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: has your comp arrived yet? < 1241826761 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: newegg says they shipped it < 1241826767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :near the water? huh, i don't recall that < 1241826775 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1241826778 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1241826783 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is of course a viking on the central square < 1241826794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being a depiction of the city's founder < 1241826827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit over the top, really tall < 1241826868 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.trondheim-photos.com/?k=view_photo&u=statues-5 < 1241826872 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one < 1241826891 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ups work on the weekends? < 1241826899 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i've got it on my photos < 1241826934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm not sure where that is < 1241826948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably one of the newly built areas < 1241826958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(given the building) < 1241827017 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The words "central square" reminded me of a thing that's not really especially funny, but I'll mention it anyway; there was at the central-most spot in Lieksa (a tiny "city" of about 13k people nowadays, pretty close to the Finland-Russia border) this: http://zem.fi/g2/d/1033-2/img_2707.jpg -- the website URL would be, if translated to English, "www.connectiontonature.com". < 1241827058 0 :amca!n=amca@CPE-121-208-82-97.qld.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1241827180 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit