< 1241913715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: a < 1241913879 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh no, my room stopped burning. now there's ice on the walls. < 1241913959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not an actual quote btw) < 1241914012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that would be a subverted trope, i guess by your explanation this is already at undead horse stage < 1241914132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing that basically sums up bash: < 1241914133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< robT> Name ONE thing that your windows comp can do that my MAC cant < 1241914134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< bawss> Right click. < 1241914139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of the 100 top rated quotes) < 1241914157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freaking bash.org < 1241914163 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241914311 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1241914441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First my middle clicks don't work sometimes, now my left clicks. < 1241914450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This cheapo mouse has a ~2 year shelf life. < 1241914455 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1241914585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe when I upgrade stuff, I should get a new mouse. < 1241914595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit... Old. < 1241914642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's from my first Linux box, which was old 7 years ago. < 1241914672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when I got it) < 1241914674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty much throwing out everything w/ my new box, since I don't really have much attachment to anything. It's just an imac+apple kb+crap mouse < 1241914751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got an absurdly old CD burner that I plan to keep, since I'm too cheap to bother upgrading that. < 1241914813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even DVD? < 1241914815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For shame ;-) < 1241914825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a DVD-ROM drive. < 1241914826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably going to nab some hw from this iMac for safekeeping... < 1241914838 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My CD burner does CD-Rs at 12x and CD-RWs at 4x. < 1241914839 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1241914842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., there's 2.5gb of ddr2 ram in here. < 1241914848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be useful somewhere. < 1241914857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not even a dvd burner? :P < 1241914874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, is there a typing test that does *not* involve trying to transcribe something? < 1241914886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that he is at his slowest when trying to copy text
< 1241914895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Not even a DVD burner. < 1241915049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1241916085 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241916330 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What idiot thought the new food pyramid was a good idea? < 1241916344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/camerahouse.jpg this is meant to be photoshopped-looking can someone please explain < 1241916380 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody over five can draw the old one. The new one is like "You may eat 0.05 radians of oils" < 1241916394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241916500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO < 1241916510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is that re: my image or GregorR < 1241916515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot figure out the image < 1241916526 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR. < 1241916534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1241916535 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see anything photoshoppish in that image < 1241916559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the fuck the USDA was thinking with "MyPyramid".
< 1241916626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they've got the proportions all wrong. You need to eat at least 0.5 radians of caffeine-bearing beverages < 1241916673 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's actually a circle, the normally-displayed "pyramid" section is actually like a pie slice of that, the remainder is caffeine. < 1241916684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Okay*. < 1241916692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more sensible. < 1241916745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, the USDA thinks that pyramid is simpler than the previous design. < 1241916753 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, really. < 1241916759 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because the remainder of their circle is pot. < 1241916786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241916791 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahah. < 1241916800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does it. < 1241916870 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of a balanced diet. < 1241916913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: What about moxie? < 1241916921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the remainder actually moxie+pot < 1241916924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In one < 1241916928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mot < 1241916945 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is too perfect to be considered part of the circle. It is above the circle. < 1241917366 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241917382 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241917384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is in fact the sphere. < 1241919464 0 :oklodok!n=nnscript@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe1cfa00-120.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1241919594 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@a91-153-122-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1241919612 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1241919729 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it O(n!), or worse? <<< it's (n^2)! < 1241919760 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean < 1241919760 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine < 1241919781 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea about verysort, but it's much too fast to be n!. < 1241919790 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably polynomial. < 1241919800 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that he's here < 1241920560 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1241921872 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verysort? :o < 1241922039 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1241922140 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241923019 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1241923402 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p316313563.txt < 1241923422 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just something i hacked up after a night without sleep. < 1241923457 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, sleepless nights :D yeah. how does it perform? < 1241923465 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1241923472 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm actually < 1241923484 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an answer to you, and a correction to what i said to ais earlier < 1241923494 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is at least exponential < 1241923506 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you explicitly create all the possible orders. < 1241923523 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well permutations < 1241923524 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. bogosort? < 1241923539 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even remotely similar < 1241923561 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that both are slow, bogosort is much closer to bubblesort than this one < 1241923575 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, randomly picking an order vs. generating all of them.. < 1241923590 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right bogosort, i was thinking bozosort. < 1241923618 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bogosort is somewhat similar, except the generate all permutations part isn't the pont < 1241923618 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*point < 1241923621 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the points is the points < 1241923678 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you randomly take two permutations of the list, and make them fight, which means picking a random pair of adjacent elements from both, A wins B if A's pair is in order, and B's is not < 1241923719 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this part is fairly fast, and it's probably polynomial on n!, which lead me astray earlier < 1241923747 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. Although... another alternative might be to start with a string for each letter, then continue building the permutation only if it's in order, until you reach something the length of the string < 1241923762 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. this might require a bit of book-keeping. < 1241923779 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err *led < 1241923788 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string for each letter? < 1241923799 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we sorting lists of letters? < 1241923813 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean < 1241923831 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. building up the sorted sequence < 1241923838 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an entirely different idea. sort of. < 1241923870 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. that's just depth-first search :P < 1241923898 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have [2, 1, 3], start with [1], [2], and [3]. All sorted strings of length 2, from those: [1, 3], [1, 2] and [2, 3] < 1241923914 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from those, only [1, 2, 3] survives < 1241923926 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n^2) < 1241923933 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1241923933 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1241923933 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. the interesting thing is... there is a lot of shared work here. < 1241923943 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I see that's not what you're doing < 1241923945 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's factorial < 1241923978 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least not O(n^2) < 1241923985 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it is actually O(n^n). unless you share work of course. < 1241924008 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not quite that amount, because many branches are eliminated early < 1241924036 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, yes. so how many iterations did your algorithm take for various input sizes? < 1241924066 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't checked. < 1241924080 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incrediblysort never sorts a list of size 4 < 1241924135 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevar :o < 1241924186 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well theta (minimum possible) is n!, but the probability of ever getting it sorted is pretty much 9 < 1241924188 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*0 < 1241924226 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still fond of quantum bogosort. < 1241924253 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately quantum bogosort would probably have the same time as regular bogosort < 1241924261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1241924265 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardehar < 1241924270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allow me to describe the algorithm. < 1241924281 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead < 1241924283 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do. < 1241924289 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1241924290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Randomise the list (thereby creating a universe for every permutation of the list). < 1241924299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the list is not sorted, destroy the universe. < 1241924312 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain, in detail, your process for universe selection. < 1241924328 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: you already have a quantum computer < 1241924330 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241924332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't. Multiple worlds theory. < 1241924338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241924408 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but such a check requires observation, and if it turns out the list is not sorted, you should probably give up < 1241924425 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1241924440 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :destroying the universe won't make the one universe where the list *is* sorted any more accessible < 1241924461 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: if you don't understand the theorem, just let it go, it's not worth thinking about anyway. < 1241924484 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're completely misunderstanding the idea (read: joke) < 1241924487 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: you already have a quantum computer < 1241924504 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, and even so, you can't select the particular universe where the list is sorted >:( < 1241924513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, all such universes exist simultaneously. < 1241924521 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I get it's a joke, but I don't think it's that funny... < 1241924533 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By destroying the universes that don't have a sorted list, you ensure the existing universes have a sorted list. < 1241924578 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, the existing universes have a sorted list whether or not you destroy the other ones :) < 1241924581 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1241924585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, in other words: o <-- the joke v-- You < 1241924604 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus Gracenotes < 1241924612 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the whole deal with quantum computing < 1241924621 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it. It's not that funny. < 1241924628 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me for killing it. I feel no remorse... < 1241924635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: rubbish < 1241924636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stabs Gracenotes
< 1241924644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel remorse! In the form of pain! < 1241924653 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1241924662 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :（　´_ゝ`） < 1241924665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok! < 1241924679 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? < 1241924684 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ﾟ -ﾟ) . < 1241924690 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes urxvt would, y'know, *switch fonts* for non-ASCII characters
< 1241924693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you called? < 1241924712 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client can't render those characters < 1241924721 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you wish! < 1241924735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: so does your face! < 1241924738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My client is capable of rendering those characters. < 1241924742 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it refuses to. < 1241924757 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well your face does your mum < 1241924786 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least that's what *i* wish < 1241924814 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they characters? < 1241924840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that glacolitic spidery ha is quite a character < 1241924861 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I did implement a quantum simulator after all... < 1241924874 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah blah blah etc. < 1241924904 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Disconnecting from stoned server." < 1241924911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((blah )S:^):^ < 1241924912 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah ...too much output! < 1241924935 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's one blah too many < 1241924954 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes. I think my feet are turning into hobbit feet! *looks at hair* < 1241924971 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, I am 6 feet tall, so I don't think it's that likely < 1241924978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: rubbish, they form a perfect rectangle < 1241925002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13*5 < 1241925011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly the 13 might be bad luck < 1241925020 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: what's that in human units? < 1241925022 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1241925042 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i meant the infinite amount of blahäs. < 1241925043 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use "foot" as a human unit, personally < 1241925044 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*' < 1241925071 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: no i think you just used it was relevant to the joke, because feet aren't in use anymore < 1241925074 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ic. well then it is also aleph-zero blahs too many < 1241925116 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really move to hex, so i could say the same for base 10 < 1241925128 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I am personally a fan of metric adoption. but I find most people on the internet don't use it on English IRC networks < 1241925129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: feet aren't in use anymore? this explains the obesity epidemic < 1241925157 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*most*. Not all, of course! < 1241925166 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's better than "stone" as a unit of weight < 1241925169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Approximately 3 metres. < 1241925182 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean 2? < 1241925188 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit under 2. < 1241925191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1241925192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. < 1241925205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 is a bit... Tall. < 1241925206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 +- 1.5 < 1241925235 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: i'm finnish, therefore it's all i know :) < 1241925255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Better than being American. < 1241925257 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm. metric still is a pretty arbitrary system < 1241925261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most Americans only know American units. < 1241925269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is... Lame. < 1241925274 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least it's a bit more consistent < 1241925276 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i do *know* how much a foot is. < 1241925288 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30.48 or something < 1241925290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Metric is more sensible only in that it's consistent. < 1241925302 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for people who grow up in societies that use base 10 number systems < 1241925308 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is consistent :) < 1241925308 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had other reasons for asking. < 1241925315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a vast improvement over imperial units. < 1241925335 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will clandestinely teach my children to use the metric system! mwahaha < 1241925340 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, I'm gay. never mind. < 1241925348 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 10 is not really inherent to SI < 1241925361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're gay? < 1241925372 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241925373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION keeps in mind not to be on IRC when at dad's house
< 1241925384 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241925385 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha >_> < 1241925391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad is about as anti-homosexual as they come. < 1241925407 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Gracenotes is not the only gay on this channel, in case you haven't noticed < 1241925417 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay. I won't hack your computer and email him links to lemonparty < 1241925419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I actually didn't. < 1241925435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Largely because I don't give a flying fuck. < 1241925438 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fap to lemonparty < 1241925472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: *That*, however, is disturbing. < 1241925484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241925485 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right, it's just some are a bit hard not to notice (psygnisfive), but i guess you don't read absolutely everything that happens here. < 1241925507 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shock sites are not for fapping to < 1241925522 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is surely a rule of the internet < 1241925525 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe hard to remember, in case you don't care) < 1241925528 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, I really, truly could care less; it's a complete non-issue. ;) < 1241925538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: rule 34 overrules that rule, surely < 1241925556 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on shock sites, many are just clips from fetish porn, and not even the interesting parts. < 1241925560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Rule 34 states that there is porn of it, it does *not* state that the porn actually has an audience. < 1241925572 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1241925601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, most of the porn without an audience is not for a shock site... < 1241925609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's merely bad porn. < 1241925618 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And also, I really, truly could care less; it's a complete non-issue. ;) <<< i tend to consider every detail about irc people important, including what holes they prefer. < 1241925620 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rules one and two demonstrate that you are all posers < 1241925650 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: That's quite disturbing. < 1241925664 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wait, what are those? < 1241925674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 4chan is the asshole of the Internet. ;) < 1241925676 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...exactly < 1241927064 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONVERSATION FATALITY < 1241927172 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i left. < 1241927268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LATTIFY A CONSERVATION < 1241927314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RATIFY A CONVERSATION < 1241927366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NATIONAL IFFY RAT CONVICT < 1241927657 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i came. < 1241927713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: i thought we were finished with the sex talk for a while < 1241927822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KINKY. < 1241927946 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR MAJUSCULE PHYSIQUE TURNS ME ON < 1241928104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELECTRONS ARE BETTER THOUGH. < 1241928146 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH KEEP WRITING LIKE THAT < 1241928210 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we always talk about sex < 1241928321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Lisp. < 1241928376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the other sex) < 1241928392 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean Haskell < 1241928409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gasps
< 1241928413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a Haskelsexual! < 1241928435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you know that God Hates Haskells? < 1241928483 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241928522 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're here, we're Haskell programmers, get used to it! < 1241928523 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241928526 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're here, we're Haskell programmers, get used to it! < 1241928528 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241928534 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. and so on... < 1241928551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241928565 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241928580 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241928881 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241928924 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1241929771 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ääliö < 1241929789 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itse olet! < 1241929803 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn straight < 1241929834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nää, ä liöö y nähööltään viellysnäämmin < 1241929872 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf does that mean < 1241929900 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you do a better fake finnish than psygnisfive :P < 1241929900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ääliö actually is a word < 1241929918 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1241929939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Na... Nananana Katamari Damashii... < 1241929957 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see ä an ö right, so had to take a guess which of those weird things means which < 1241929959 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ööliä means beer < 1241929977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, the other one :D < 1241930013 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: in what language? < 1241930015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so clearly if you have so much ööliä that you can't read properly, you get ääliö < 1241930021 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood_: finnish < 1241930082 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone told me it means "moron" < 1241930124 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean they actually told you the truth? what a stupid use of a foreign expletitive < 1241930142 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood_: no no when you swap the umlauted chars. < 1241930142 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone was right < 1241930167 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1241930177 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: erm you guessed wrong, incidentally < 1241930190 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, lol :P < 1241930203 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö < 1241930206 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i didn't < 1241930208 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ääliö < 1241930237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i misunderstood you < 1241930244 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm confused < 1241930248 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241930260 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many languages do you guys know anyway? < 1241930261 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT'S GOING ON IN HERE < 1241930275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood_: what an ääliö, have you had too much ööliä? < 1241930275 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same four, but probably not as well as i used to :< < 1241930305 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some lojban too ofc, and starting latin next fall < 1241930376 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the other two? < 1241930386 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know some swedish and german < 1241930403 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly passively... < 1241930438 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1241930463 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi joe < 1241930689 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1241930696 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by joe < 1241930725 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241930811 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ääliö sanoo mitä? < 1241931178 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some guy was gonna come in here and talk finnish to you < 1241931231 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary. < 1241932873 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241933563 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The only thing I know is that I know nothing" < 1241933657 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241933906 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1241936935 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241937634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1241938009 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-27.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1241938074 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241938678 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1241938795 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@a91-153-122-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1241939213 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241940388 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241940394 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1241941064 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1241942399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1241942400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1241943748 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1241943753 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241944365 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bbl" < 1241944406 0 :tombom!i=tombom@86.9.236.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241944480 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241944489 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1241944623 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241945682 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1241947285 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1241951911 0 :WangZeDong!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-125-77.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1241952596 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241952843 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Time for some hardware upgrades.) < 1241952984 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Coyote finally caught me" < 1241953693 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1241954842 0 :fizzie!n=fis@83.150.124.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241957722 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-11-62.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241958590 0 :augur[sleep]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1241959606 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1241961404 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@168.169.34.95.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1241964070 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1241964258 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1241964442 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1241964446 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doh < 1241964450 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ais523 isn't there < 1241964476 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, hi < 1241965423 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ACK'd Oerjan's changes to dead64, just need to upload them < 1241965479 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, to the full version < 1241966641 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-61.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1241968015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, "dead64"? < 1241968089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, tested Deewiant's dobela (sp?) interpreter yet < 1241968632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1241968888 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1241969963 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dead64" or DEADFISH 64 is my interpreter of Deadfish made in C64 Basic < 1241969978 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "light" version is on the esolang wiki < 1241969989 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in external links is the version with a subset of Deadfish~ < 1241970001 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :added some more stuff to it by now and fixed it more than the esolang wiki version < 1241970005 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need to upload it < 1241970043 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v2 has the behavior mostly fixed (thanks to Oerjan) and it's more optimized and smaller than v1 < 1241970054 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v3 has new stuff, too < 1241970456 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive < 1241970463 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1241970484 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive < 1241970944 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1241970991 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v3 has some statistics, help and another way to end a program (interactively) < 1241970996 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may write a non-interactive version though < 1241971027 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would probably support the stuffs that an interactive version can't < 1241971035 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and may be the first interpreter of Deadfish~ < 1241972731 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1241973149 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241973155 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did saving but erased all that work < 1241973209 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, fixed an annoying bug in dead64 < 1241973213 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now working back on saving < 1241973231 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it worked by now, loading will probably be worse though :( < 1241973237 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYN < 1241973257 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does SYN mean? < 1241973261 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Save You Noob? < 1241973265 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Save, You Noob < 1241973271 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither. < 1241973279 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does it mean < 1241973279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The appropriate response is ACK. < 1241973284 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh < 1241973288 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what does SYN mean! < 1241973289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read some RFCs, man! < 1241973293 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too busy < 1241973305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least read the TCP RFC. < 1241973349 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The appropriate response is SYN/ACK :P < 1241973363 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then comes ACK < 1241973363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Oh. You're right. < 1241973364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1241973369 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been a while. < 1241973389 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ack! < 1241973400 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACK. < 1241973403 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GAWD I'M SO F***ING FUNNY) < 1241973404 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241973898 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, DEADFISH 64 is already a riding mess on wheels < 1241973900 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1241973947 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241974207 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1241974705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, I'm going to test that dobela thingy < 1241974713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the spelling of it now again < 1241974733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOBBELA? < 1241974734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOBELA? < 1241974789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Section Headers: < 1241974789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Nr] Name Type Addr Off Size ES Flags Lk Inf Al < 1241974789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 0] NULL 0000000000000000 00000000 00000000 0 0 0 0 < 1241974789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 1] SNST STRTAB 0000000000000000 00000138 0000000e 0 0 0 1 < 1241974789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 2] dobelx64 PROGBITS 0000000000000146 00000146 000010f7 0 WAX 0 0 8 < 1241974792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that's unusual < 1241974806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually the seconds are like .text .data .rodata or whatever < 1241974835 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what GCC calls them; I have no obligation to call them that. < 1241974845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I thought that was standard < 1241974859 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, fairly, but the names are completely irrelevant. < 1241974863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what do the different sections contain there < 1241974881 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Do (like in don't) - Bee - Lah < 1241974889 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "e" in "be" is long < 1241974899 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I finished loading/saving in Deadfish 64 < 1241974901 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241974904 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it supports the non-interactive mode < 1241974906 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1241974921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, my system complains about writable stack in it < 1241974927 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it would < 1241974933 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It contains self-modifying code. < 1241976080 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1241976080 0 :clog!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1241976127 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Augh, I can't implement {} with my design < 1241976131 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well < 1241976138 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for a redesign < 1241976186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how do you represent the playfield? < 1241976193 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Array. < 1241976201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, is it size limited?? < 1241976214 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's allocated before any execution. < 1241976234 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOBELA programs can't grow, so that's fine. < 1241976246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, they can't? Huh. That's very odd < 1241976264 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only dots can travel outside the initial bounds, and dots without commands can't do anything. < 1241976280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so you discard them then? < 1241976284 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1241976317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no wraparound? < 1241976319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1241976328 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not Befunge. :-P < 1241976354 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C doesn't wraparound at every } either. < 1241976365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should < 1241976367 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If I ever do a redesign it won't be in C64 BASIC < 1241976375 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could. < 1241976390 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd not be very useful but it could. < 1241976445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, good idea < 1241976454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would mean you needed goto a lot < 1241976456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241976471 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you just need to write "return" explicitly. < 1241976483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (blah) { code here; goto afterif; } afterif: morecode; ... < 1241976492 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, ifs. < 1241976510 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I was thinking of only functions and loops. < 1241976511 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-11-62.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241976545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, { ... } would be same as the legacy-C while(true) { ... } < 1241976547 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those, the thing to do is "if (blah) { code here; something that makes blah false }" < 1241976555 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it would. < 1241976568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1241976573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :returning from a function jumps to its } < 1241976576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically < 1241976580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, return; doesn't help < 1241976583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just restarts the function < 1241976589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... tail recursion! < 1241976605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1241976606 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see return working like that < 1241976615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would need to longjump out of every function < 1241976621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :longjmp()* < 1241976630 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you can, although you need to explain where the return value goes < 1241976638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, falling off the end of a function into } does the same as what return; does < 1241976647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, in a global variable? < 1241976648 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return; yes, but return 0; not. < 1241976649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since {} wrapping is our main paradigm, return jumping to } instead of vise-versa is the best choice < 1241976657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, } is just return garbage; :-P < 1241976666 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's implementation-dependant. < 1241976674 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} could be abort(); < 1241976681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. < 1241976689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :void foo() { printf("hi\n"); } < 1241976696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't abort() < 1241976703 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int foo() { printf("hi\n"); } < 1241976704 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could. < 1241976709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1241976709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1241976738 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally done with v4 *wheeeew* < 1241976785 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, V1 was 426 bytes, V2 was 390 bytes, V3 was 1071 bytes and V4 is 2207 bytes < 1241976792 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD WHAT HAS THIS WORLD GONE TO!? TT__TT < 1241976802 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language? < 1241976820 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C64 BASIC < 1241976823 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1241976833 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever make V5, it will either be in Assembler or a minor update < 1241976844 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i did () < 1241976845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, rewrite it in C64 asm yeah < 1241976856 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Later. *sigh* I'm already tired working on this mess < 1241976861 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just... don't look at the source. < 1241976890 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are programs to do so, but... just don't. It has been... "sqrt(hacked)".) < 1241976898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basic, why would I look at the source... < 1241976912 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just telling you to not because it has GOTOs on top of other GOTOs < 1241976921 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain hurts. x_x < 1241977064 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically. V2 = the C64 BASIC source in the Deadfish article + some other miscellany code < 1241977068 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, * < 1241977459 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upped V4 (along with source code) < 1241977483 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asienet.site40.net/dead64v4.txt (The problem is it was the same piece of code being hacked over and over) < 1241977524 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will make a "lite" version though, which just cuts out the source of the extra features < 1241977534 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, that'd be useless < 1241977615 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And i DO know it's possible to clean it up a bit < 1241977620 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just too lazy to do so < 1241977717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asienet.site40.net/dead64v4.txt is empty. < 1241977759 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That's just how easy it is to implement Deadfish. < 1241977839 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1241977948 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...huhwhat? < 1241977967 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hmm < 1241977969 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try again < 1241977971 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hi oerjan < 1241977972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, IWC today was "groan, oh my" < 1241977977 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for fixing my C64 implementation < 1241977983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome :) < 1241978006 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fixed it even more < 1241978010 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and went as far as to add loading/saving < 1241978014 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the downloadable version < 1241978024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fixed the boundary checks but i didn't make the prompting entirely compatible < 1241978036 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the... prompting? < 1241978044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many other interpreters don't follow that slavishly < 1241978050 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, AFAIK, you forgot to fix i, i, s, s, s < 1241978052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the >> before each command < 1241978054 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fixed it < 1241978060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: huh? < 1241978060 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You can't fix it easily < 1241978072 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 16 squared to 256 < 1241978077 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with your checks it would come as 0 < 1241978084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _shall_ be 0 < 1241978087 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the point < 1241978111 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h...huh? < 1241978115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time it hits 256 regardless of reason, from above or below, it's reset < 1241978148 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the C interpreter is the standard < 1241978167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's more likely because those that write theorem provers want to be able to verify parts of the theorem provers implementation themselves within in a theorem prover." < 1241978178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ xzibit < 1241978181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; Xzibit theorem prover < 1241978182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1241978199 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did read somewhere that "the accumulator ranges from 0 to 255 unless it is squared" < 1241978214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: that's valid, sort of < 1241978219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just means you can go over 255 with squaring < 1241978220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: well that means that you cannot escape the range without squaring < 1241978226 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i square < 1241978229 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 16 to 256 < 1241978231 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241978242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but once you've square _beyond_ 256 things go haywire < 1241978247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*squared < 1241978255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: you need to be more clever to escape < 1241978264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iissis does it < 1241978280 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then what < 1241978284 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and is probably the minimal way to escape < 1241978286 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss < 1241978288 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1241978292 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace s's with d's < 1241978294 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my part < 1241978308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, escaping _through_ the minimal value) < 1241978331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, something like that, and when you decrement to 256 it becomes instantly 0 < 1241978339 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Citing the author of Deadfish from the Deadfish~ article < 1241978340 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like its predecessor, the accumulator ranges from 0 to 255 unless it is squared! < 1241978385 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Predecessor" refers to Deadfish original < 1241978387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: it should be noted that many [weasel word] suspect the author did not originally know how to make it do what he want < 1241978423 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you refer to the C implementation or to the idea < 1241978426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in essence all the rest of us took the joke of running with translating a broken program faithfully < 1241978432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C implementation < 1241978461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i think the Ruby and ZiziQue interpreters don't, and maybe some of the ones i cannot read < 1241978466 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will make V5 in BASIC which can run in both "compatibility mode" and "rightful" mode < 1241978476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't know ruby enough to try to correct it) < 1241978478 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the C64 one doesn't < 1241978504 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I want to have a correct implementation, too < 1241978505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would be much closer with my changes from yesterday < 1241978519 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "correct" as in "author's correct" < 1241978529 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "implementation-correct" < 1241978566 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, where the hell can I find out anything about ZiZiQue < 1241978640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if I make a bf-to-C compiler, coded in scheme (basic optimization, but not the fancy stuff probably), what should I call it? < 1241978654 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFsCheme < 1241978665 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF2C-heme < 1241978675 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFtoC-heme < 1241978683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a rather lame pun < 1241978685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about ZiziQue < 1241978690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe google < 1241978764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is ZiziQue? < 1241978792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a language referenced among the Deadfish examples on the wiki < 1241978815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the only reference I can find to it when I google < 1241978820 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh it's that number again < 1241978825 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's search who added the ZiZiQue interpretation < 1241978829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IWC *96) < 1241978847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes. But the wrong theme! < 1241978854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: has happened before < 1241978862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in space once < 1241978869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was? hm ok < 1241978885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zizique was a lang that used to be on the wiki < 1241978892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it was deleted for not really being very esoteric < 1241978894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked it though < 1241978898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this time it was rather forewarned < 1241978899 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241978902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what do you remember about it < 1241978903 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1241978910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nothing much < 1241978921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntax was pretty, the paradigm novel < 1241978928 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zzo38 added ZiZiQue < 1241978937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241978937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241978938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not that one < 1241978952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241978953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1241978956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo msut have learned it < 1241978959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the language I was thinking of < 1241978960 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241978961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the syntax was pretty, the paradigm novel <<< you're just messing with us, right? < 1241978965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no < 1241978987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i distinctly recall it < 1241979014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and no source outside the wiki? < 1241979015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sad < 1241979026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the page used to exist < 1241979029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an admin can recover it < 1241979035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was designed for making text adventures < 1241979035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1241979037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interactive fiction < 1241979043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there WAS a site < 1241979046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be defunct now < 1241979055 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have the link < 1241979058 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have the link < 1241979061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1241979061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1241979067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it was not zzo38's own language? < 1241979071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1241979111 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's all this then? < 1241979123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: not much < 1241979150 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fixes the C64 Deadfish for proper squaring behavior
< 1241979167 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix V4 too, then :DDD < 1241979175 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :V4? < 1241979182 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big interpreter < 1241979186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1241979205 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1241979216 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUST ... FIND ... ZIZIQUE :P < 1241979225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Step 1. Become wiki admin < 1241979229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, make it V6, would accelerate faster. < 1241979234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am become wiki admin, destroyer of worlds. < 1241979239 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: V5 is planned to be in Assembler < 1241979241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no no no, pull a slackware, skip to V7 < 1241979245 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this minor fix will be... V4a < 1241979277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, odd number of cylinders aren't common afaik hm. < 1241979282 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I find it weird that normal users can't read old pages at all >_> < 1241979292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it's for reasons of national security < 1241979299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, because they're usually spam etc < 1241979311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, Factor's new C++ VM (well, Slava just added some C++ features to the C) isn't half bad. Nicest C++ code I've eve seen. < 1241979338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that won't last for long < 1241979343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a year at most < 1241979345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably less < 1241979345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what? < 1241979349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it is all messy C++ < 1241979353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no < 1241979360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's pretty much finished the C++ transformation < 1241979367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he isn't using any features that cause a run-time penalty < 1241979377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's basically fine < 1241979388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm zizique was _not_ linked when zzo38 first included it in deadfish < 1241979398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure, you start with good intentions, and it might be nice and such even... But soon some messy C++ feature will slither in... < 1241979409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: this only applies if the programmer is a retard. < 1241979417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happened in every C project going C++ "but only with the non-messy bits" that I have seen < 1241979420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the same logic, Lisp is a bad language to use because the programmer will get tricksy. < 1241979432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fact is, if they get tricksy, they're a bad programmer. < 1241979468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why I suggest using Lightweight C++. < 1241979469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you misunderstood me I think. < 1241979475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, I didn't < 1241979478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *is* C++ without the really screwy features. ;) < 1241979510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's also obscure, probably not maintained to well, and you could just use the parts of C++ it has in C++ and ignore the rest < 1241979525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~sxanth/lwc/bot.png < 1241979529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying that "Lightweight C++" is possible. Just that on any larger open source project that will sooner or later turn into messy C++. A few years at most before the mess start showing up. < 1241979529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It has somewhat different semantics. < 1241979530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ViRtUaLLity? < 1241979533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly. < 1241979542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lightweight c++ is a separate project. < 1241979550 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's mostly implemented as a preprocessor. < 1241979552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're talking absolute bullshit < 1241979556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(very complex one, but still) < 1241979557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only get bad code if you use bad features < 1241979562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh thought it meant just C++ with less features. It was not easy to see that. < 1241979564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only use bad features if you're a bad programmer < 1241979578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure if the implementation of C++ that you use lacks the bad stuff you can prevent it < 1241979579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what, _i_ made ZiziQue a link? < 1241979580 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no bad features, only bad programmers. < 1241979582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is not some inherent property of s/gcc/g++/ that causes the code to start to decay into suckiness < 1241979583 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused
< 1241979589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying so is simply stupid < 1241979592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it has slightly screwy name mangling. < 1241979625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~sxanth/lwc/bot.png <-- ugh. GCC specfic :P < 1241979655 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: What if I make a feature to instantly delete the BIOS and it only can be used in a WHILE loop? < 1241979656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KL_AMD_5x86.jpg ← lol@printing designed for windows 95 on an actual cpu < 1241979687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed non-cruft link: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/KL_AMD_5x86.jpg < 1241979690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1241979690 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Somebody out there NEEDS that feature maaaaaaaaaaaaaan :P < 1241979705 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Oh, and it can't be used by virus authors. Or hackers. < 1241979713 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What about that is GCC-specific? < 1241979722 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Those are bad programmers :P < 1241979724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, __attribute__ < 1241979726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1241979729 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to use it you need to run it on your own PC. < 1241979738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure enough. < 1241979740 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't see that. < 1241979743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it is using it to put some functions in link once sections < 1241979752 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it still a GOOD feature < 1241979777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. *God*. < 1241979783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what? < 1241979785 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is such an ugly hack. < 1241979789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1241979797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lightweight C++: C++ without the bad parts and with bad parts < 1241979797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the __section__ attribute... < 1241979800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds *awesome*. < 1241979803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, worse than dynamic scope return thing in bash? < 1241979804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1241979809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1241979812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1241979818 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That's the hackishness of the generated code. < 1241979828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, any good naming suggestions for that project. I didn't like asiekierka's suggestion < 1241979835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggestions* < 1241979847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It basically wants to be a GCC frontend, but does C code instead of RTL. < 1241979852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so, if I make a bf-to-C compiler, coded in scheme (basic optimization, but not the fancy stuff probably), what should I call it? < 1241979859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in case you missed it) < 1241979869 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCFBTC maybe < 1241979873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: thiscodeisboundtobehorriblescheme < 1241979874 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or SBF2C < 1241979888 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sc-BF2C < 1241979892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, rejected :P < 1241979894 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not PFUCK. < 1241979899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1241979902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: call it "Not PFUCK." < 1241979905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the . < 1241979908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1241979911 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D\ < 1241979911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1241979913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/src/Not PFUCK..scm < 1241979914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationale! < 1241979916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241979926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is, in fact, not PFUCK. < 1241979928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PFUCK is pikhq's brainfuck→c compiler written in PEBBLE < 1241979929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accurate name. < 1241979936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq didn't want you to call it PFUCK < 1241979936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah nice < 1241979937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241979947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you should call it "Not PFUCK.". Verbatim. :-P < 1241979947 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone make a BF-to-C compiler in BF < 1241979947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better: SFUCK < 1241979954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUCKFUCK < 1241979955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a pun on S-expressions even < 1241979956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241979963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme's Fucked Up Compiler, Kay? < 1241979964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you move the - < 1241979964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's not my fault you're dirty. < 1241979970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Yes. < 1241979982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, S-expressions (but move - two forward) and then SFUCK < 1241979985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PFUCK: PEBBLE Fucking Up Crappy Kode. < 1241979986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is perfect < 1241979987 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Deadfish-to-BF in BF < 1241980005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote mine in PEBBLE instead, just because I was lazy.... < 1241980015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(PEBBLE, of course, compiles to Brainfuck) < 1241980018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no one is going to say that pun was brilliant? < 1241980019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1241980035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't a pun < 1241980050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, post-pun then I guess. < 1241980081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish it was the 90s. and we had Pentiums. With MMX and 3DNow!. < 1241980088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1241980104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1241980108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the technicality that pentium never had 3dnow, why do you want that < 1241980108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pentiums never had 3DNow! < 1241980110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how disappointing < 1241980120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because everything was a lot simpler < 1241980130 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Pentium 100mhz < 1241980134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you said "watercooling" to a computer user they'd think you meant filling the computer with tap water :-) < 1241980137 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it has MMX < 1241980139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD had 3DNow! < 1241980147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, err < 1241980148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love !s in names. < 1241980150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be: < 1241980155 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D-EBN-Now! < 1241980155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AMD had 3DNow!! < 1241980157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protip: They're pronounced as the click. < 1241980166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you are exclaiming it < 1241980167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, AMD still *has* 3DNow; Intel never did. Whee. < 1241980169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 3DNow! is 3DNow < 1241980183 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AMD had 3DNow!! < 1241980183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comments about the impossibility of pronouncing that will be gleefully ignored. < 1241980187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3DNow Enhanced! < 1241980190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241980192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that < 1241980196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY GUYS! < 1241980196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it Extended? < 1241980197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanna hear a joke? < 1241980203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel Itanium. < 1241980203 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTFBBQ, ZiziQue isn't even in the DB dump < 1241980203 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can pronounce it! < 1241980204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow rep_good pni lahf_lm < 1241980205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1241980212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑↑lol at that < 1241980221 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Someone didn't really want ZiziQue < 1241980236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually I64 is a rather interesting architecture. < 1241980242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*IA64 < 1241980242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VLIW is cool < 1241980245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah yes < 1241980260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real joke is of course that "Itanium" is hard to remember how to spell < 1241980261 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'taws ahead of its (and relevant compilers') time < 1241980269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is Nehlam < 1241980271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it was < 1241980276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it may have some good ideas, but all I've heard points to "slow, inefficient, not powerful enough, and ditching IA32 was stupid" < 1241980277 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nehalem. < 1241980280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which make perfect sense :P < 1241980284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Nehalem is easy to spell < 1241980286 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Itanium is Titanium minus 'T' < 1241980289 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 is the best architecture IN TEH WORLDZ!!!111ONE < 1241980291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier if you're a native I guess < 1241980295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: 4004 bitch < 1241980303 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: OISC! < 1241980310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Intel i860 (also 80860) was a RISC microprocessor from Intel, first released in 1989. < 1241980316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel did RISC chips? :-D < 1241980317 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, the problem is that it had the potential to be ultrafast, but not with anything real compilers could make. < 1241980323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yar :P < 1241980328 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Intel did ARM for a while :P < 1241980332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I knew that < 1241980335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this was custom < 1241980351 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, I really want to find ZiziQue now X-P < 1241980367 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I know where ZiziQue is... < 1241980367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DID YOU KNOW: < 1241980376 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...It is in... < 1241980376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Pentium name is used for a current-generation processor even today. < 1241980379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_Dual-Core < 1241980384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 2006 < 1241980389 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know. < 1241980391 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is weird. < 1241980391 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Er... < 1241980395 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...There is no ZiziQue. < 1241980398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Well, Pentium's never meant much. < 1241980414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The Intel i860 (also 80860) was a RISC microprocessor from Intel, first released in 1989. < 1241980415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Intel did RISC chips? :-D < 1241980417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from "It's from Intel and you can put it in a desktop and it's based on IA32." < 1241980424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, I read about this just a few days ago < 1241980427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and went "huh" too < 1241980437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RISC: i860 · i960 · StrongARM · IXP1200 · XScale < 1241980438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sez wp < 1241980454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241980460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xscale... hm sounds familar < 1241980461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of which they still make < 1241980465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last one was sold in 2006 < 1241980469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(xscale) < 1241980472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The XScale, a microprocessor core, is Marvell's (formerly Intel's) implementation of the fifth generation of the ARM architecture, and consists of several distinct families: IXP, IXC, IOP, PXA and CE (see more below). Intel sold the PXA family to Marvell Technology Group in June 2006[1]. < 1241980485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1241980490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marvell, sounds like a network card? < 1241980494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IXP1200 I assume this isn't still made < 1241980503 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously don't understand why Intel sold ARM. < 1241980504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marvell (NASDAQ: MRVL) is an American producer of storage, communications and consumer semiconductor products. Their products can be found in a range of applications: < 1241980505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consumer: Technologies include Wireless LAN, Voice over IP (VoIP), system controllers, power management, storage products and embedded CPUs. < 1241980507 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, sounds like a network card company < 1241980508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enterprise: Marvell produces silicon devices for network switching, routers and wireless networking. Marvell was the first to develop merchant Gigabit Ethernet switching products. < 1241980511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storage: Marvell designed the first Gigabit all-CMOS read channel, the first Gigabit-capable system-on-a-chip and the first Serial ATA interface. These products are found in both disk drive and network-attached storage systems. < 1241980514 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think I even had one from Marvell back then < 1241980515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM isn't Intel's, GregorR < 1241980523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was Acorn's. < 1241980524 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It effectively was for quite a while. < 1241980528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, true./ < 1241980534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The StrongARM family are faster versions of the existing ARM processors with a somewhat different instruction set. Clocked at 206MHz they can perform up to 235 MIPS (1.14 MIPS/MHz). They have limited software compatibility with the earlier ARM families due to their separate caches for data and instructions, which causes self-modifying code to fail. < 1241980537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harvard architechture :-D < 1241980543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*architecture < 1241980547 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahvahd < 1241980555 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't anyone do Hello World! in Genome < 1241980578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err, x86_(32|64) CPUs have that too nowdays < 1241980593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harvard architechture for the caches I mean < 1241980597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it's not actually a Harvard architecture < 1241980598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had for ages < 1241980602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just looks like it at first sight < 1241980610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that Intel still makes Itanium chips
< 1241980625 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If they don't, who will? :P < 1241980636 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They are used for e.g. scientific computing. < 1241980640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itanium is used in super computers and shit < 1241980641 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i am not quite convinced ehird remembers correctly that ZiziQue was ever on the wiki < 1241980651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If it wasn't, it definitely existed < 1241980651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have linked it by error < 1241980653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :difference is that x86 goes to great length to be compatible with previous versions. Thus it does support self modifying code by flushing the IL1 when the same part of memory is written to < 1241980654 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Idonno, I just found it interesting :P < 1241980655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IA64 is actually a decent architecture, amazingly enough. However, its x86_32 emulation *sucks*. < 1241980656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was definitely discussed < 1241980658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in here < 1241980659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :causing horrible performance < 1241980662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it has none nowadays < 1241980664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: software emulation < 1241980670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that is actually faster than the old hw one :^) < 1241980675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Hahah. < 1241980697 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep -i zizique * | wc -l < 1241980697 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1241980701 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In logs not including today. < 1241980713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stfu, okay :P < 1241980721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been discussed on talk: pages < 1241980724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IA64 is awesome IMO. < 1241980737 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I grepped the DB dump, it's only in that one page. < 1241980753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Look. Just shut up. < 1241980764 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1241980765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was discussed, it had a site, it was for text adventures, and we knew about it. < 1241980767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I know. < 1241980771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New language: HQ9+D < 1241980776 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's D < 1241980787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like HQ9+ but with D for "interpret rest of source as deadfish" < 1241980788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241980799 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm; I thought this NAS box I had ran on some sort of XScale thing, but /proc/cpuinfo says < 1241980800 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Processor : ARM926EJ-Sid(wb) rev 0 (v5l) < 1241980804 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: :D < 1241980814 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfish~, Deadfish~(subset) or Deadfish < 1241980827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, which did I say < 1241980828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241980834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish~ is bloated. < 1241980839 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, this IA-32 software emulation layer... < 1241980843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have you got a powerpc machine < 1241980846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like powerpc < 1241980848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't Linux distros just ship with qemu? < 1241980858 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Just the G4 iBook. < 1241980867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring < 1241980869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, eh? < 1241980873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: because it's slow as fuck < 1241980880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, there is certainly some package for it I bet. < 1241980886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most distros < 1241980905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um duh < 1241980907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what has it got to do with this < 1241980914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what he said < 1241980944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IA32 emulation layer is nonfree stuff... Which implies that Intel actually spent time and effort making it. < 1241980956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also what do you call bosch (sp?) if you call qemu "slow as fuck" < 1241980960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than, say, modifying a few files from qemu. < 1241980970 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bochs" < 1241980971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: *Bochs. Box. Ch as in Bach. Bochs. < 1241980973 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1241980978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And slow as fuck also. < 1241980981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bochs: would get parking fine if it was a car < 1241980983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because theirs is faster < 1241980989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Take, for instance, icc. < 1241980989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a* < 1241980997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel KNOW their architectures really well. < 1241981028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine; why didn't they do a decent-sized patch to qemu and get some good PR out of it? < 1241981041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barely any PR. < 1241981047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why would they? < 1241981057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was probably easier to make it from scratch. < 1241981060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it differs heavily. < 1241981067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, it won't emulate hardware, will it? < 1241981077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just translate the CPU instructions as directly and efficiently as possible. < 1241981080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qemu doesn't always. < 1241981083 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ahem Qemu user mode emulation came first* < 1241981095 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qemu has user mode emulation as a major feature. ;) < 1241981099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1241981101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever. < 1241981106 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qemu has user emulation as its ORIGINAL feature :P < 1241981113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh. < 1241981155 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Incidentally, it's bitchin' fast in that mode) < 1241981157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Well, whatever." <-- you always say something like that when you are proven wrong. :D < 1241981169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that was "OK, I'm wrong, didn't know, whatever." < 1241981180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with saying that? < 1241981184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what exactly does "whatever" mean in this context. < 1241981192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means "whatever". < 1241981192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not clear to me as a non-native speaker < 1241981198 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: In English, "whatever" means just about anything in just about any context X-P < 1241981211 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed, native speakers? < 1241981213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, yes, and what exactly does it mean in this one < 1241981215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this context, it probably means "ok, doesn't really matter, I just didn't know" < 1241981217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: yeah. < 1241981219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1241981231 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I agree with ehird on that, that's how I interpreted it. < 1241981239 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, qemu's user emulation is actually pretty darn cool. < 1241981245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might try it < 1241981247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how'd you use it? < 1241981251 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an ARM Debian chroot for "cross-compiling" :) < 1241981259 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: qemu- < 1241981272 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You need the libraries installed to a path specifiable by -L, of course. < 1241981283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: today's mezzacotta ain't so bad :D < 1241981294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"doesn't really matter", as in the "discussion not being important", or "that the new info doesn't really change my argument"? < 1241981297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reinstalls qemu
< 1241981298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:/Applications/Q.app/Contents/MacOS/mips-softmmu.app/Contents/MacOS] % ls < 1241981298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mips-softmmu < 1241981300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: that? < 1241981310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Not a big deal". < 1241981318 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, AFAIK user emulation doesn't work on OS X :P < 1241981320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. You've got OS X. < 1241981322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawl. < 1241981323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1241981345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: It does; the DarWINE project did most of the work for that. < 1241981364 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ehird: Ah, OK, but it presumably only supports powerpc and x86 (maybe x86_64) < 1241981369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's for ppc < 1241981373 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas on Linux it supports OMGLOTS < 1241981373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DarWINE... what a horrible pun < 1241981386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old Darwine was just x86 emulation + WINE. < 1241981387 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, it requires that the target support the same OS so it can directly translate syscalls :P < 1241981390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern Darwine is just WINE ported over. < 1241981395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: today's mezzacotta ain't so bad :D <-- IDGI < 1241981399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on an IA32/AMD64 machine. < 1241981411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwine was qemu userspace emulation + WINE. < 1241981422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tha's wha I sai. < 1241981426 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but ehird < 1241981431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, not psygnisfive. < 1241981436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus why Darwine's work on qemu matters. :p < 1241981438 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Darwine is just WINE ported over < 1241981443 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is it when PORT is wined over? < 1241981449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the D&Der's response fits < 1241981460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: ur no' fu'y < 1241981465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and seems sarcastic < 1241981467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, true < 1241981468 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Adding v5 with "COMPATIBILITY MODE" and "PROPER MODE" < 1241981475 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should know which is what xD < 1241981483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, mi'ing con'o'ans i' fu'. < 1241981502 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fu'y? < 1241981509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fu n n y < 1241981511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fu'y < 1241981514 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i get that < 1241981515 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1241981534 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using stars is more fun. < 1241981540 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it look like cursing. < 1241981543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more fu'? < 1241981550 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more fu* < 1241981554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I 'on' 'in' 'o. < 1241981569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"non nin no"? < 1241981574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1241981575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I don't think so. < 1241981576 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're missing a k there, ehird < 1241981582 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1241981583 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an h < 1241981585 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1241981586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you removed too much for it to be readable there < 1241981609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I' no' my faul'. I 'an' 'elp i'. < 1241981610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an h"... That sounds so strange. < 1241981629 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, anmaster? < 1241981634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is incorrect. < 1241981636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But note the 's. < 1241981648 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1241981651 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is incorrect < 1241981663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An h. < 1241981666 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its not < 1241981677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some idiotic americans think it's not, but that's because you fail at pronunciation and life. < 1241981688 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually ehird its you who fail at pronunciation and life < 1241981703 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "an" allomorph of "a" is used before words that start with a vowel sound < 1241981722 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name for "h" beings with an /eI/ diphthong vowel < 1241981735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, how would you spell (no IPA stuff! Just normal letters.) the way the letter "h" is pronounced. "eigcht" seems a bit off. < 1241981752 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"aitch" is the conventional spelling, I believe < 1241981756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1241981768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Swedish it is said more like "hå". < 1241981781 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho english letters have no genuine conventional name spelling < 1241981793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always found the way that English pronounce the _letters_ "h" and "r" rather odd. < 1241981797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heightch. < 1241981801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heigch. < 1241981802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heigtch. < 1241981818 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, V5 uploaded, with the Compatibility Mode (that's for you, oerjan) < 1241981819 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant pronounce letters < 1241981819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'aitch' is a stupid way of saying h BECAUSE IT HAS NO H < 1241981821 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :letters are symbols < 1241981828 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like saying you pronounce a tree. < 1241981839 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: aitch < 1241981842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pronounce trees. < 1241981849 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you dont. :P < 1241981853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, so say out loud all the letters of the alphabet! < 1241981863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do, if you didn't pronounce them. < 1241981869 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant < 1241981877 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pronunciation /heɪtʃ/ and hence a spelling of haitch is usually considered to be h-adding and hence nonstandard. It is however standard in Hiberno-English[citation needed] --"; Hiberno-English sounds strange. For people who hibernate? < 1241981883 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :letters of alphabets are used to represent the pronunciation or words and sounds in a language < 1241981884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just admitted " "aitch" is the conventional spelling, I believe" above < 1241981895 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pronounce a SOUND in a language, sure. < 1241981899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1241981902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiberno-English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1241981903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiberno-English – also known as Anglo-Irish and Irish English – is English as spoken in Ireland, partly the result of the interaction of the English and ... < 1241981907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we got him started. < 1241981917 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, anmaster, "aitch" is the spelling of the name for the letter "h" < 1241981921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.eamonn.com/2002/11/hibernoenglish.htm < 1241981921 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said above :P < 1241981942 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: irish english. < 1241981947 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there were drivers for RTL8168/8111 (PCI-E) for MS-DOS < 1241981956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, and that is what pronouncing the letter means to a non-language-nerd < 1241981961 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could run 64HDD on my PC and make a netcat clone for the C64 < 1241981961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241981962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it called that, though? < 1241981972 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hibernia. < 1241981979 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: well in that case, ok. < 1241981996 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"aitch" is probably closely related to the italian "acca" for the same letter. < 1241982014 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ar(r)" ?? similar to "erre" < 1241982034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Gaelic phrase tar eis, which means "after", is used by Hiberno-English speakers to modify verbs to indicate that an activity has been completed recently. So, instead of using the standard English present perfect " We have just finished our dinner," Hiberno-English speakers opt for: "We're after finishing our dinner just now." < 1241982043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird butts. < 1241982061 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds very hiberno indeed. < 1241982070 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very much an influence from Irish. < 1241982086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a be se de e ef ge hå i ji kå ell em en o pe ku err ess te u ve eks y säta å ä ö < 1241982109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aprox.) < 1241982120 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the english name for "r" weird to you? < 1241982128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ay bee cee dee ee eff gee aitch eye jay kay el em en oh pee queue are ess tee you vee double-you ecks why zed" < 1241982144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, that is ~"are". Which is rather different < 1241982151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's why and zee, dammit < 1241982154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rhyme only works that way < 1241982158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's zed < 1241982162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the song we turn amerikan < 1241982175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Swedish y is a vowel. < 1241982185 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are" and "err" arent all that different. < 1241982200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, not if you pronounce "err" in English no < 1241982204 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, swedish r's are different, granted < 1241982205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but try saying it in Swedish < 1241982223 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a fact about the consonant not the name of the letter < 1241982227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a short e too. While are has a long a < 1241982234 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true < 1241982243 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ɹ/ versus /r/ < 1241982247 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /er/ vs /A:r\/ < 1241982260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you escape that last / < 1241982261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241982261 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, I don't speak SAMPA < 1241982269 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not escaped < 1241982272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1241982277 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: r\ is SAMPA for ɹ < 1241982279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1241982281 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1241982296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it looks like an escaped / from a sed expression :P < 1241982301 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know. < 1241982313 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAMPA is annoying but convenient < 1241982324 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would just use IPA but half the time people bitch that it doesnt show up < 1241982326 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many IPA symbols are there? < 1241982330 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1241982334 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a hundred or so i think? < 1241982335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many? < 1241982346 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Wikipedia knows < 1241982349 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring the diacritics and modifiers i guess < 1241982351 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 distinct letters, 52 diacritics, and 4 prosody marks < 1241982353 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1241982354 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :107* < 1241982363 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :52 diacritics? no, cant be < 1241982367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i would just use IPA but half the time people bitch that it doesnt show up <-- As long as it shows up in Dejavu I'm happy < 1241982381 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Dejavu has all of IPA but I'm not sure < 1241982387 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Unicode "IPA Extensions" page has 176 symbols. < 1241982399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1241982426 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only count 32 diacritics on the IPA wiki page < 1241982428 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably includes composed forms < 1241982445 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if you include the ExtIPA additions < 1241982462 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0250 .. U+02AF. < 1241982472 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ExtIPA brings it to 52 < 1241982477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a totally unrelated line of thought. What exactly does the English "blowing a raspberry" (spelling?) mean? < 1241982505 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put your tongue between your lips < 1241982512 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :purse your lips so airflow is slightly restricted < 1241982516 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blow < 1241982526 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd encourage you to use IPA, but urxvt and I don't get along. < 1241982530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, resulting in a s-like sound? < 1241982534 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1241982543 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in more of a farting sound < 1241982546 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :press your lips tighter. < 1241982558 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats sort of it. < 1241982575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the tounge sticking out? How far? < 1241982580 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far enough! < 1241982593 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho i think in the context of /giving/ a raspberry its much tighter, enough so that it could be tickling when done against skin < 1241982607 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=blowing+a+raspberry&aq=f < 1241982619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, it sounds like a leaking tube with pressurised air... < 1241982624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb phone < 1241982627 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRESS HARDER < 1241982631 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1241982637 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant < 1241982648 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me why you know _SAMPA and IPA < 1241982662 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some IPA because I'm interested < 1241982664 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know SAMPA < 1241982673 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so you were guessing from what i wrote < 1241982681 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish more people were smart enough to do that < 1241982688 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I assumed we both got it right :-P < 1241982711 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I wish people were as smart as me as well < 1241982715 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know so many people who cant make such trivial pieces of guesswork :( < 1241982753 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a professor can state something emphatically, and then go on to make a minor mistake that is obviously just a typographical error < 1241982766 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the people get all flustered like "BUT I THOUGHT YOU SAID ~" < 1241982775 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That annoys me to no end < 1241982788 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to strangle those people < 1241982789 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they make a big deal about it and are all confused and 10 minutes are lost < 1241982794 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXACTLY < 1241982795 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1241982801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jos difj sof jio eo ijojt oertj eoirjt ort joer tjoerij eojt oetj oON ON ON < 1241982802 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my whole italian class is like that < 1241982809 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ON ON ON < 1241982813 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm like FFS it should have been an 'a' instead of an 'e' and that's it < 1241982815 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, stop speaking dutch. < 1241982829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: oadijasjuueu! drukkeuekńak! < 1241982840 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're speaking hungarian! :| < 1241982842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder wtf ń is < 1241982851 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't sound at all Hungarian to me :-P < 1241982853 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-acute < 1241982854 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1241982864 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: it has the impression of it tho < 1241982871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon he'll be speaking Afrikaans. ... With an American accent. < 1241982879 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, weird n's, and lots of e+u stuff feels hungarian to me < 1241982879 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew < 1241982887 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afrikaans with an american accent? < 1241982890 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like english to me. < 1241982891 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K doesn't feel Hungarian to me < 1241982900 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it should, but it doesn't :-P < 1241982905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: No, it wouldn't. < 1241982926 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kétszikű" < 1241982929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it'd be somewhat close; Afrikaans *is* Germanic. < 1241982935 0 :FireyFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1241982942 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afrikaans is a descendent of early modern dutch < 1241982948 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1241982955 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dutch itself sounds practically english < 1241982961 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESPECIALLY prosodically < 1241982976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't. < 1241982981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes being contrary
< 1241982985 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241982994 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and west frisian, forget it < 1241982997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ńuerkatéçsø < 1241983003 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds Aztec < 1241983005 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone wants to see 9 lines of DEAD64V5's code? < 1241983015 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no such thing as aztec. < 1241983028 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought not < 1241983028 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is nahuatl < 1241983034 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But couldn't remember the name < 1241983037 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing here looks remotely like nahuatl < 1241983047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Yecatuanłã. < 1241983053 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1241983055 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until now. < 1241983057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a ~ not a ") < 1241983063 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i can tell < 1241983065 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15 GOTO 21 < 1241983065 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16 INPUT A$ < 1241983065 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 17 IF IG=1 AND A$=")" THEN IG=0 < 1241983065 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18 IF IG=1 THEN GOTO 22 < 1241983065 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19 GOTO 21 < 1241983066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241983066 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20 GOTO 10 < 1241983074 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this an example of the messyness of DEAD64V5 < 1241983075 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know how to pronounce that, too. :D < 1241983087 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i imagine i do, if l~ is what i expect it to be. < 1241983098 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me random numbers from 1 to 230 and I'll show code for that line < 1241983098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Łā! Brokélõs! < 1241983099 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is < 1241983115 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now THAT could almost be welsh, were it not for orthography < 1241983116 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been meaning to train myself to be able to pronounce every sound in IPA but haven't got around to it < 1241983127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: sounds impossible < 1241983132 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lla brwcylons < 1241983137 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. cylons! D: < 1241983142 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241983146 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241983153 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Maybe, I don't think so < 1241983156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Vŏktük palél :-) < 1241983169 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont speak volapük. < 1241983178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't meant to be volapük :P < 1241983181 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: its hard to learn from the interwebs < 1241983189 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know ehird, but thats what came to mind :p < 1241983201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah me too < 1241983240 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so < 1241983248 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Combination of IPA-capable dictionary + youtube goes a long way, methinks :-) < 1241983249 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figure we have programming versions of SVO languages < 1241983253 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and SOV languages < 1241983257 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and VSO languages < 1241983265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVO: Smalltalk. < 1241983268 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, O*V and VO* < 1241983269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOV: Stack-based. < 1241983272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VSO: Procedural. < 1241983276 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVO is just object oriented < 1241983280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1241983283 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOV is forth, yah < 1241983287 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VSO is lisp < 1241983292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVO: OOP. SOV: Concatenative. VSO: Procedural. < 1241983296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use paradigms. < 1241983302 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VSO is also functional. < 1241983303 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VSO: functional < 1241983306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1241983310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVO: OOP. SOV: Concatenative. VSO: Procedural/functional. < 1241983314 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More canonically functional, IMO. < 1241983314 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVO is sort of procedural < 1241983320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i wish more people were smart enough to do that <-- Smart? So never having heard the word "sampa" before means someone is stupid? < 1241983328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's not what he said < 1241983330 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the wealth of Var OP Exp stuff < 1241983333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should learn to read, AnMaster < 1241983334 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what, are we missing OSV OVS VOS? < 1241983336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it seemed to be what he said. < 1241983350 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed deewiant < 1241983350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Congrats! I bestow unto you the "cannot read or comprehend" award, then. < 1241983360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I think S and O are interchangable. < 1241983361 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Do we have natural languages like that? < 1241983364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's down to the programmer, mostly. < 1241983371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although... OVS would be weird. < 1241983372 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To an extent, yes. < 1241983374 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, we do. they are RARE tho < 1241983378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oranges.eat(sam). < 1241983382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just not good for a programming language. < 1241983387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it can be made to work naturally. < 1241983393 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oranges.getEatenBy(sam) < 1241983396 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the use of Subjects is mostly applicable in OO style tho < 1241983398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't reflect the operations performed at all. < 1241983400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well sure. < 1241983403 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no, deewiant < 1241983406 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldnt be it at all < 1241983418 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be merely a passivized version < 1241983424 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where oranges ARE the subject < 1241983429 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OVS would look more like... < 1241983430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1241983434 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oranges)eat.sam < 1241983438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241983442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oranges,hungrily)eat.sam < 1241983446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranges hungrily eat Sam. < 1241983465 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since its horrible for a programming language < 1241983467 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1241983469 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be done. < 1241983470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't Klingon OVS? < 1241983473 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241983474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OVS? < 1241983483 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intention was to make it as un-english like as possible < 1241983496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's OVS. < 1241983496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open Versioning System? < 1241983509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241983510 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object Verb Subject < 1241983511 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, the notion of Object and Subject are, I would say, completely meaningless < 1241983513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1241983516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: agreed < 1241983517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: The intention was to make it as alien as possible, rather. Slight difference. < 1241983520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: It's very single dispatch. < 1241983526 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Yeah, that's what ehird was going on about earlier < 1241983533 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not so much that, ehird < 1241983551 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just that in the underlying semantics theres no difference < 1241983565 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1241983572 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally people think of sentences as being Subject-Predicate < 1241983575 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P(S) < 1241983581 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats only sort of true < 1241983585 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1241983592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Lojban is interesting here. It thinks directly in predicates. < 1241983609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants VSO, OSV, and: V, S, and O languages
< 1241983615 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in formal semantics, P can be a lambda < 1241983632 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it can be like multi-arg functions < 1241983640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VSO... Eat Sam oranges. < 1241983647 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P(S) === (P'(R))S < 1241983648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSV... oranges Sam eat. < 1241983649 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1241983653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional, concatenative. < 1241983688 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat(sam, oranges) < 1241983689 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need an OO language with a weird ordering like this < 1241983693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Heh. So a strong type system + language is logic (curry-howard), and linguistics is programming (you). < 1241983697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, linguistics is logic. < 1241983706 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oranges)sam.eat < 1241983707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd demand an SOV language, but there is one. < 1241983707 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1241983724 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, some of linguistics is very closely related to logic < 1241983739 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curry and Howard did their work FOR linguistic semantics, essentially < 1241983740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Yeah, but we have a whole trifecta of equivalences: Programming = logic = linguistics. :-) < 1241983741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sam oranges eat. < 1241983743 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, why did I even ask about natural languages, Finnish can do all of SOV SVO VSO VOS OSV OVS, with the non-Vxx ones probably being the most normal-sounding ones. < 1241983746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is sweet. < 1241983746 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241983752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: so can russian < 1241983753 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Samu ha orenji wo taberu) < 1241983759 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wa* < 1241983764 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1241983772 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So can English. < 1241983781 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english can do a lot of them < 1241983781 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oranges Sam eat? < 1241983786 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eats* < 1241983791 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is valid english < 1241983797 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1241983799 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, its a topicalization structure < 1241983802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Deewiant. < 1241983803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I type as though it were going into a Japanese IME. < 1241983804 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241983806 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a left-dislocation of the topical element < 1241983809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "Hello", Sam says. < 1241983812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it's valid English, if little-used. < 1241983813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello", says Sam. < 1241983815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sam says "Hello". < 1241983823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the valid orderings. < 1241983825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1241983828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1241983828 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that comma. < 1241983831 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: literary use of "say" is very different actually < 1241983834 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not generic < 1241983838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1241983842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can twist most thigns into that. < 1241983846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that say is the only one that feels natural. < 1241983847 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1241983851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah, you need the comma. < 1241983856 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes, I know. < 1241983859 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comma just denotes prosody < 1241983867 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pay no mind to commas < 1241983869 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just thinking that that's somewhat of a special case. < 1241983921 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english, despite being a "fixed" word order language, is replete with transformations for changing word order to add pragmatic content < 1241983940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English used to not be as fixed in its word order. < 1241983947 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1241983947 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still can't see "oranges Sam eats" as being very valid :-P < 1241983963 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant, its a topical construction < 1241983963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Middle English wasn't much of a fixed word order language, and Early Modern English wasn't, either. < 1241983972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "Oranges Sam eats" is valid. < 1241983973 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "ORANGES, sam eats, but not apples." < 1241983975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just awkward. < 1241983987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Oranges[tiny pause] Sam eats. < 1241983993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "sa" is deeper. < 1241983997 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Normally, I'd stick a comma in there. "Oranges, Sam eats" makes it seem a bit more natural. < 1241984007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not standalone < 1241984009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it's a quite valid construction. < 1241984015 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, again, as i said, the comma denotes prosody < 1241984022 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ehird denoted with [tiny pause] < 1241984026 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "sam" being deeper < 1241984034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Standalone, it's also valid. < 1241984034 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oranges eats Sam"? < 1241984037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tiny pause is shorter than a comma < 1241984039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just archaic. < 1241984040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in "Oranges Sam eats" < 1241984041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1241984052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the comma is different in this case < 1241984054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a bog standard , < 1241984063 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, because a lot of these transformations demarcate presuppositional content of a sentence, you can only use them in the portion of a sentence that contains an ASSERTION < 1241984068 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is cool. < 1241984072 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about "Oranges eats Sam"? < 1241984079 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible. < 1241984082 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Valid? < 1241984090 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot get any OVS constructions to work in english < 1241984095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeessss... < 1241984096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of... < 1241984100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But people will look at you very funny. < 1241984110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranges, eats Sam. is slightly better < 1241984111 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People will look at you funny for "oranges eats Sam" as well < 1241984117 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: looking at you funny basically means its bad. :) < 1241984121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to say "no" unless you come up with something clever. < 1241984122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the , is basically as long as a ; < 1241984126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it's valid, just bad < 1241984129 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with English is that there's no authority for what's valid < 1241984134 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad means invalid, ehird :p < 1241984148 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there IS an authority, deewiant < 1241984151 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the speakers. < 1241984154 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1241984160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it's valid < 1241984161 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you do large scale study of the syntax of english < 1241984163 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that if you're looked at funny it's not valid < 1241984163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just very awkward < 1241984177 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you find that things are good or bad to different degrees < 1241984184 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1241984187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to see what word orders are valid, it's probably easiest to see which ones Shakespeare used. < 1241984188 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and OVS is generally not taken to be good. < 1241984190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1241984196 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing about grammaticality judgements tho is < 1241984202 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Validity is a relative concept in English. < 1241984210 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people will not understand what we mean by grammatical < 1241984215 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true for any language, ofcourse < 1241984218 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like < 1241984227 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of times people think it means "can you figure out what im trying to say" < 1241984232 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not what grammaticality is at all < 1241984253 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammaticality is more like "would it feel nature to you to say this?" or "would it sound odd if you heard this said?" < 1241984259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf R U talk about psygnisfive???????? lol ur freak < 1241984269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it feel nature to you to say this < 1241984270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ironic! < 1241984280 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural* < 1241984284 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERY ironic! < 1241984296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.silentpcreview.com/files/images/silverstone-raven/01.jpg Computer case. Comes with cat. < 1241984301 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking about it more I'd have to say that "oranges Sam eats" is 'invalid', because nobody thinks that's normal < 1241984316 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of people think its normal, deewiant < 1241984322 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the order, anyway < 1241984325 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping you wouldn't say that :-) < 1241984328 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you DO need the special prosody. < 1241984333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's most commonly used in poetry, but it does come up in conversation rather often. < 1241984349 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually its probably more used in conversation than in poetry < 1241984356 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just going by sheer number of times used < 1241984360 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give me a decent example < 1241984360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, possibly. < 1241984365 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm just not realizing it < 1241984368 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, i did earlier :p < 1241984385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can't see Alice." "What about Bill?" "Bill I can see." < 1241984393 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. < 1241984401 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there we go. < 1241984414 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another example, where its almost completely acceptable without ANY presuppositional meaning, is with quantified expressions < 1241984414 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can't argue validity for different instances of the same construct :-) < 1241984414 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1241984426 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"every book that john reads john likes" < 1241984446 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it actually i guess some sort of focus use < 1241984461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say "he likes" < 1241984463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For maximum confusion < 1241984473 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldnt be confusing at all ;) < 1241984482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be in context. < 1241984493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: is to a linguist! < 1241984494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you've been talking about someone else for a bit. < 1241984495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1241984496 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if there is some other male around < 1241984497 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1241984498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ that's odd too < 1241984500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting with "is" < 1241984504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1241984505 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats just the nature of indexicals in general < 1241984532 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: thats called null subject < 1241984546 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its common in colloquial english, and in many romance languages < 1241984557 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/colloquial/spoken/ < 1241984597 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written/more formal english has grammatical null subject in imperatives < 1241984602 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You) go to your room! < 1241984657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More formal English? That's common conversational English as well. < 1241984681 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i know < 1241984698 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point was that validity in formal english is the highest level of validity... or something like that < 1241984700 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was merely saying that more formal english doesnt have null subject except in imperatives < 1241984712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Misunderstood. < 1241984731 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if youre interested in the language = logic (or i guess if anyone else is) < 1241984747 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should look at Categorial Grammar and its offspring < 1241984794 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CG, and its most famous derivative, CCG, are essentially just words-as-lambdas-with-direction-specific-application-rules < 1241984803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot < 1241984831 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really is interesting < 1241984847 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCG is where i got all that type-lifting nonnyhoggins from < 1241984866 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i discussed some of it with oklopol and we decided that the idea was interesting and worth making into an esolang < 1241984894 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can code up some absolutely convoluted things that make NO fucking sense except they do, because you can do crazy type shifting operations and stuff < 1241984997 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since were on the topic of natural language stuff < 1241985008 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a particular construction in english and a number of other languages called determiner sharing < 1241985022 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which results in one of the WEIRDEST fucking semantic properties ive ever seen < 1241985084 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1241985100 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"many dogs eat alpo and cats whiskas" < 1241985111 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1241985123 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the appropriate prosody (slight emphasis on "dogs" and "cats") < 1241985124 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1241985133 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives the same reading as "many dogs eat alpo and many cats eat whiskas" < 1241985145 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tinyurl.com/rael3l < 1241985176 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so theres this sort of ... "invisible" quantifier and invisible verb, that get picked up from the previous ones < 1241985194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees? < 1241985195 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"many_i dogs eat_j alpo and Q_i cats V_j whiskas" < 1241985200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's 3d street view < 1241985201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English has very, *very* weird grammar. < 1241985201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1241985208 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, get this < 1241985213 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try a negative quantifier < 1241985215 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Somebody is very clever :P < 1241985220 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no dogs eat alpo, or cats whiskas" < 1241985229 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does NOT mean "no dogs eat alpo, or no cats eat whiskas" < 1241985237 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "no dogs eat alpo, and no cats eat whiskas" < 1241985255 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the D-shared version, you have OR, but in the explicit version you have AND < 1241985255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241985257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: the or goes elsewhere, I think < 1241985264 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: actually it doesnt < 1241985269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no (dogs|cats) eat (alpo|whiskas)" < 1241985269 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the or is genuinely there < 1241985272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ORing the two arguments < 1241985277 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats REALLY going on is this: < 1241985280 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is just a natural Esolang. < 1241985283 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no" is compositionall "not some" < 1241985301 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"some is the real quantifier thats being shared < 1241985313 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the "not" takes scope over the whole sentence, including the or: < 1241985346 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no D eat A, or C W" = "not(many D eat A, or many C eat W)" < 1241985358 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the OR has higher scope that some < 1241985359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, clever < 1241985363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you'd like that < 1241985365 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but NOT has higher scope than OR < 1241985369 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is WEIRD < 1241985373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if an operation is an abbreviation of two operations, precedence < 1241985374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like < 1241985378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = bar baz < 1241985383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo x quux y < 1241985385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1241985391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar ((baz x) quux y) < 1241985392 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because both NOT and SOME are lexicalized in the SAME WORD "no" < 1241985394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm rather busy atm < 1241985394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not paying attention < 1241985396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to catch up on weekly nomic duties before midnight... < 1241985404 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that one part of "no" scopes LOWER than OR, while the OTHER part scopes HIGHER < 1241985412 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same is true of FEW = NOT MANY < 1241985417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: like #define in C? < 1241985423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep, but in english < 1241985425 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a completely baffling aspect of scope < 1241985426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no = not some < 1241985432 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-83-32.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1241985434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:53 psygnisfive: "no dogs eat alpo, or cats whiskas" < 1241985434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:55 psygnisfive: "no D eat A, or C W" = "not(many D eat A, or many C eat W)" < 1241985442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and before: < 1241985442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:54 psygnisfive: "no" is compositionall "not some" < 1241985443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:55 psygnisfive: "some is the real quantifier thats being shared < 1241985445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:55 psygnisfive: while the "not" takes scope over the whole sentence, including the or: < 1241985447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty funny < 1241985475 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now? < 1241985492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was pasting for ais523 < 1241985496 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241985500 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant he scroll up? :p < 1241985508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is busy. < 1241985510 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, its a completely baffling thing. i have no idea how to hand that syntactically < 1241985510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not paying attention, so stop pasting for me < 1241985513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing agora :-P < 1241985518 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind semantically < 1241985526 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is the facts about negation scoping there. < 1241985535 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not even optional, its OBLIGATORY < 1241985539 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike sentential negation < 1241985551 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can in some sentences have different scopes < 1241985600 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this kind of shit is all over the place in natural language, its amazing < 1241985604 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really rather cool < 1241985679 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also, ehird, i know you like haskell and type theoretic logicy things, right so < 1241985691 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should check out Montague semantics/grammar < 1241985697 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of type theoretic stuff < 1241985711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like type theoretic dung beetle, am I right? < 1241985719 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241985725 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent that like < 1241985733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dung beetle < 1241985742 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can trivially translate montague's stuff into haskell types < 1241985759 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :montague uses (a,b) or for haskells a -> b < 1241985776 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _everything_ is typed < 1241985781 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fricken everything < 1241985815 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantifiers are presumed to have type ((e,t),t) < 1241985835 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i guess is equivalent to haskell forall a. (a -> Bool) -> Bool < 1241985891 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho there are only two primitive types in montague semantics, e for individuals, and t for boolean values, so... < 1241985913 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess quantified NPs are ((e,t),t) < 1241985942 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1241985964 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quantifier itself is probably like ((e,t),((e,t),t)) or something < 1241985966 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know < 1241985975 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that seems right < 1241986009 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all :: (a -> Bool) -> (a -> Bool) -> Bool < 1241986077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all(Birds)(Fly) ~= { x : Bird(x) } subset { x : Flyer(x) } < 1241986097 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::nod:: yes that makes sense < 1241986175 0 :WangZeDong!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241986419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that (a->Bool) thing is bunk < 1241986427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that "all" can't be valid because it can't check every single case < 1241986434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you need a way to iterate over all of them < 1241986449 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this isnt supposed to be a true haskell thing ;) < 1241986462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all :: ((Bool -> Bool) -> Bool) -> ((Bool -> Bool) -> Bool) -> Bool < 1241986466 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just the truth conditional logic of the all quantifier < 1241986482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1241986512 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i guess if you had a haskell function subset < 1241986515 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do something like < 1241986579 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1241986625 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. forall b. all :: (a -> Bool) -> (b -> bool) -> Bool < 1241986626 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all apred bpred = subset [x | x <- U, apred x] [x | x <- U, bpred x] < 1241986661 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that. really itd just be all :: (Individual -> Bool) -> (Individual -> Bool) -> Bool < 1241986671 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since all _things_ are of the same entity type < 1241986682 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that should, i think, work. < 1241986876 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241987007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1241987017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1241987020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit busy atm though < 1241987023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1241987558 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1241987810 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, you're on DS now? < 1241987819 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1241987892 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DeathStation. < 1241987927 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is thinking of making "Dream Serums"
< 1241987973 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Peace Serum and a War Serum: The Peace Serum makes the norn very unwilling to fight, and the war serum teaches the norn that violence is literally the answer to all problems < 1241988001 0 :tombom!i=tombom@86.9.236.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241988036 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peace serum make cause permanent brain damage < 1241988054 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1241988056 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can has? < 1241988071 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't exist yet < 1241988076 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need someone to make graphics < 1241988086 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make shitty graphics, if shitty is what you're going for ;) < 1241988088 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm still uncertain about making vendors < 1241988102 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I'd like good graphics, but shitty will do for now < 1241988123 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an agent that will kill any norn that slaps another even once? :P < 1241988139 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Saudi agent) < 1241988153 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, it can be made fairly easily < 1241988163 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are at least two general anti-slap agents out there < 1241988179 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clucky's, which separates the norns, and mine, which prevents hitting from having any effect < 1241988188 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that mine isn't well know < 1241988190 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :known < 1241988206 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bondi norns are hitting me < 1241988210 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Names? (URLs? < 1241988212 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1241988276 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure where mine is < 1241988315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking for Clucky's < 1241988319 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I have lots of pregnancies, lots of eggs, and they never hatch >_> < 1241988336 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, my superbreeders are in your world? < 1241988349 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open the options panel, and change the lower green number to something higher < 1241988391 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20080108054728/clucky.sts.winisp.net/Agents/Forms/AgentsForDS.aspx High Tech Hand, which includes Clucky's Stop Slapping Norns and Stop Slapping Creatures < 1241988420 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Nope, these are all pure, I'm just letting it go and seeing what happens :P < 1241988447 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except I want to toss in tons of agents before doing that :P ) < 1241988523 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best way to make sure norns are educated: Hook up a timer to a vocabulizer < 1241988622 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does that.
< 1241988703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ds work on osx < 1241988749 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-82.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1241988750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : A Peace Serum and a War Serum: The Peace Serum makes the norn very unwilling to fight, and the war serum teaches the norn that violence is literally the answer to all problems <-- what on earth is a "norn" < 1241988758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1241988764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You have a great ability to rehash conversations. < 1241988781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game. Creatures. Artificial life. < 1241988789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI. < 1241988790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1241988804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open source? < 1241988807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Old. < 1241988809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1990s. < 1241988816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Docking Station is a recent one. Freeware. < 1241988825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows, Linux, dunno about OS X. < 1241988837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The old ones aren't linux.) < 1241988838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The Norn was in charge of a group of Valkyries in Norse legend, I believe < 1241988854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's both 100% correct and 100% irrelevant :) < 1241988859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, That explains why it sounded familiar! < 1241988861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a different sort of norn? < 1241988863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1241988866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you probably know it from NetHack < 1241988867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:53 ehird: Game. Creatures. Artificial life. < 1241988867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:53 ehird: AI. < 1241988871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed < 1241988916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, haven't played val for several months by now < 1241988929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't played nh for several months even < 1241988995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, you can have DS for OS X, but you have to pay < 1241988998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: pirate it for me plz < 1241989011 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, C3? < 1241989015 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241989017 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DS for OS X < 1241989020 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1241989020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yar < 1241989020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/Creatures_Exodus < 1241989034 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am under the impression that DS for OS X sucks < 1241989042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am under the impression that your mom sucks < 1241989048 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, a lot of things don't work in DS for OS X < 1241989049 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got that game < 1241989069 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creatures hasn't done anything good in ten years < 1241989075 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK < 1241989081 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, heard of the Warp? < 1241989081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: wut < 1241989104 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the Genetics Kit and stuff are free now < 1241989104 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Afk < 1241989179 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1241989181 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sauce < 1241989193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :docking station has a warp thing < 1241989198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives norns to other people. < 1241989205 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds boring < 1241989215 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have been exchanging norns on the internet way before that < 1241989227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: tell that to the DS users, Sgeo gave them all an ultraviolent norn and an ultrabreeder norn < 1241989230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without their consent :^) < 1241989231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1241989233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not them all, but a lot < 1241989235 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kekeke < 1241989238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what do you mean why < 1241989238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does GIMP input controller dialog < 1241989241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :support MIDI? < 1241989246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1241989250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it dos < 1241989251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does < 1241989257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paint by notes! < 1241989270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, maybe some custom input things give via midi < 1241989281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unconventional "musical instrument" things could be used < 1241989282 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20090309after.gif < 1241989298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 smbc < 1241989304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20090309.gif) < 1241989337 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1241989411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, here it is: http://omploader.org/vMW5vYg < 1241989418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the gimp input config dialog) < 1241989433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god AnMaster, set up a gtk theme, even the one that uses qt < 1241989436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raleigh breaks my eyes < 1241989447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worse than windows 95! < 1241989472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how does one do it with none of gnome installed (except gtk itself) < 1241989482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really, I like this gtk theme < 1241989488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: apt-get install gtk-qt-engine-kde4 < 1241989490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1241989490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1241989491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as bad as most other < 1241989491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use kde3 < 1241989493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: apt-get install gtk-qt-engine < 1241989495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1241989498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjust for OS < 1241989500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use debian < 1241989501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241989505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you KNOW that < 1241989514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's gtk-qt-engine on gentoo, apparently < 1241989516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, once you've done that < 1241989518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I tried that gtk-qt-engine thing. < 1241989521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was worse. < 1241989525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1241989527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just uses your kde theme! < 1241989527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rendered incorrectly < 1241989539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, like, buttons over text next to them < 1241989540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1241989543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, try updating it then :P < 1241989547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :software gets improved < 1241989559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less work to live with current theme < 1241989566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did ask. < 1241989596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, I had expected it to be much less work :P < 1241989601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: erm < 1241989603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :updating a package? < 1241989606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so damn hard < 1241989627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no. I tried it recently you see. Like 2-3 weeks ago. Checked it was the last version < 1241989646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: at least install the Mist theme; that's pretty much like the kde 2 theme < 1241989654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., plain but the edges are less subdued than Raleigh < 1241989678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gtk-engines-mist, fwiw. < 1241989686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1241989688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just gtk-engines < 1241989690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, no < 1241989691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x11-themes/gtk-engines-qt hasn't been updated since then < 1241989692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtk-themes < 1241989694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentoo is weird < 1241989696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtk-themes is right < 1241989714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x11-themes/gtk-theme-switch ? < 1241989723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gtk-themes < 1241989732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ eix gtk-themes < 1241989732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matches found. < 1241989732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and install chtheme if you want to use a switcher < 1241989736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what o < 1241989737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1241989741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo... < 1241989745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ok, do gtk-engines < 1241989760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and also gtk-chtheme < 1241989774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just start gtk-chtheme and choose Mist. < 1241989779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.16.1 is installed < 1241989789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just start gtk-chtheme :-P < 1241989797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ gtk-chtheme < 1241989797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: gtk-chtheme: command not found < 1241989804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you installed gtk-chtheme? < 1241989812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x11-themes/gtk-chtheme no < 1241989818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then... guess what :-P < 1241989822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1241989827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trick question? < 1241989830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1241989832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install gtk-chtheme first. < 1241989845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I would never have guessed _THAT_ < 1241989853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1241989868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I didn't find what I was looking for in gimp < 1241989875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was that "one window" thing < 1241989879 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My arrow keys stopped working :( < 1241989885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: any luck? < 1241989885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I got tired of trying to find all the different pallets < 1241989892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, with what? < 1241989898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gtk-chtheme... < 1241989902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :&mist < 1241989970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm upgrading other stuff atm, will do it after. Yes gentoo supports concurrent installs and manages locking correctly, but I don't have enough ram to both handle rebuilding QT, having a huge image open in gimp and build yet another package :P < 1241989981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I mention source distros suck? < 1241989987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hereby mention thus < 1241990002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there are both pros and cons. For both source and binary distros < 1241990016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pros of binary distros: have ram left to install more packages, wait less < 1241990024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cons: firefox takes 5ms longer to start < 1241990027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dayum! < 1241990031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a hard choice :-) < 1241990088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cons: you get all apps built against libXinerama just because some user *might* be able to afford more than one monitor. < 1241990090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1241990116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and curl is build with ipv6 support, when you need it with ares support < 1241990120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to build your own < 1241990135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl couldn't do ipv6 and ares last I checked. < 1241990140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they conflicted < 1241990157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: (1) Oh no, that's SEVERAL MEGABYTES! (2) That's totally a bug. Also, you can do that with two packages or variants of packages. < 1241990217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about having stuff with GTK support and *not* GNOME support? < 1241990217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a bug. It is just not possible currently. < 1241990222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing feature != bug < 1241990229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that too < 1241990257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want gnome support, and not gtk support unless the app needs it and I can't use some alternative one. < 1241990263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimp falls into the latter categoryu < 1241990265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :category* < 1241990280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Multiple megabytes! Also, variants. AnMaster: Two orthogonal features conflicting = bug. < 1241990301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, orthogonal? How do you mean in this case. < 1241990316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are very related. < 1241990317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what have ipv6 and ares got to do with each other? < 1241990321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason they should conflict < 1241990327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what ares is? < 1241990344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of it, but I don't recall, no. < 1241990354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, if two features conflict they should conflict at RUNTIME. < 1241990378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :async dns library. Which doesn't support ipv6. < 1241990379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you need to build packages more. :p < 1241990386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what pikhq said < 1241990394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't. < 1241990399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck source distros :) < 1241990409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you need to be a package maintainer then < 1241990425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have written packages before, IIRC. < 1241990435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how well the typical binary distro handles USE="-ldap", for example
< 1241990451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not library/application maintainer. Rather maintainer of a package, of a distro < 1241990454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: By forcing you to waste *megabytes* of disk space. < 1241990455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. I know. < 1241990461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as for debian < 1241990489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, megabytes of memory too < 1241990490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Uh... Megabytes of RAM space. < 1241990496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1241990497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1241990499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEGABYTSE. < 1241990501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MEGABYTES < 1241990511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not all of us have 6 GB RAM :P < 1241990511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a few milliseconds on startup due to not being tuned to your CPU. < 1241990516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly our binary life is horrific. < 1241990523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 2GB is very much enough... < 1241990527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all of us can stick 36GB RAM in a system. < 1241990528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 1.5 GB here < 1241990538 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to have 512mb < 1241990541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Srsly, we're talking MEGABYTES here. < 1241990543 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until this year < 1241990547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes my old computer had 512 mb too < 1241990548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quit the hyperbole. < 1241990549 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find my RAM in plenty of use with hardly anything going. < 1241990550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a few years ago < 1241990561 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have a thousand of them. < 1241990574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's the compilation :-P < 1241990581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, even when not counting the kernel cache? < 1241990583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My browser takes about half of them. < 1241990592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Thousand megabytes total. < 1241990598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, if you don't have much RAM... why are you compiling all the time?! That's just gonna be hell. < 1241990599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has 1GB of RAM.
< 1241990609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 1024, surely. < 1241990617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GiB? < 1241990617 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Who the hell compiles constantly. < 1241990618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241990618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seagate gigabytes are only used for HDs. < 1241990624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: people who use source distros < 1241990633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No... < 1241990634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you are misinformed then < 1241990640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My weekly update takes at most a couple of hours. < 1241990646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEN I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING. < 1241990651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEN I'M SLEEPING. < 1241990655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here. < 1241990660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEN I'M USING CAPSLOCK. < 1241990676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHIFT; I DON'T HAVE A CPASLOCK. < 1241990692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOR DO I HAVE A CAPSLOCK. < 1241990696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have you mapped your caps lock? < 1241990711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A proper Control key. < 1241990714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE MY CAPS LOCK. I WOULD NEVER GIVE IT UP. < 1241990715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"proper"? < 1241990718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: THAT'S GONNA GIVE YOU RSI, YOU KNOW. < 1241990737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT YOUR HAND DOES WHEN YOU USE THAT CAPS LOCK CONTROL KEY. < 1241990738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNIX keyboard layouts have a Ctrl to the left of A. < 1241990745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, rick roll takes a new meaning when it is about the caps lock indeed! < 1241990747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not RSI. One of them tingymajigs. < 1241990754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Wat < 1241990766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, my poor pinky. < 1241990772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches ehird sing "never gonna give it up" to his caps lock key. " I LOVE MY CAPS LOCK. I WOULD NEVER GIVE IT UP."
< 1241990774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving from A a tiny bit. < 1241990778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: :-D < 1241990787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh come on, try depressing it. < 1241990791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's simply unergonomical. < 1241990828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, and having a Ctrl below Shift is less so? < 1241990837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1241990846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the crap are you smoking? < 1241990856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your finger doesn't bend or twist for the ctrl-below-shift. < 1241990871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, yes it does. < 1241990878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't for Ctrl at A, though. < 1241990888 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks ehird sucks at typing
< 1241990889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have mutant hands < 1241990891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the only issue with source based distros are: Firefox and Thunderbird. Even QT isn't very slow to compile. And for OpenOffice you use the binary package. < 1241990904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how using a binary package still counts as source-based. < 1241990909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's deliciously nonsensical. < 1241990913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Firefox isn't that bad. < 1241990923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Your finger doesn't bend or twist for the ctrl-below-shift. <-- mutant hands indeed < 1241990942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Actually ff 3 seems faster to compile than ff 2 < 1241990943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: OpenOffice is a terrible load of bloat. < 1241990945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strnage < 1241990947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swapping control and caps lock is common, but I havne't < 1241990949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*haven't < 1241990957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes a *lot* of time to compile. < 1241990964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and about 5GB of disk space) < 1241990972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never tried < 1241990981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard enough horror stories < 1241990992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use Koffice instead. < 1241991005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use better paradigms :P < 1241991009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I use use lyx for word processing :P < 1241991016 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or TeX. < 1241991023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kile too yeah < 1241991032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but LyX makes it so much easier. < 1241991036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what paradigm? < 1241991045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends. < 1241991049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, examples < 1241991077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't "process words", I'm either typesetting something (TeX or alikes) or just lightly formatting some text (Markdown) < 1241991091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use spreadsheets, I use plain text files (and for the calculation parts, some scripts). < 1241991102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, these aren't the most mainstream paradigms, but they're the easiest way to do it for me. < 1241991115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find office suites to be almost entirely worthless. < 1241991139 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241991189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah. Only need them to open files I get. < 1241991214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear good things about antiword for viewing Word documents. < 1241991228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about spreadsheets < 1241991229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ODF, though, no clue. < 1241991236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also, how do you do your presentations? < 1241991237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1241991243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Stab. Stab. Stab. < 1241991250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, huh < 1241991250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX has a presentation mode, though I'm not familiar with it. < 1241991258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interestingly, a lot more documents/spreadsheets are on Google Docs nowadays. < 1241991259 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do presentations with latex-beamer to PDF. < 1241991260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah I heard ConTeXt was good for it < 1241991264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well < 1241991265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just point my browser at them. < 1241991274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from that, though, I find I rarely want to read a spreadsheet. < 1241991280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:34 AnMaster: ehird, huh ← I hate presentations. < 1241991285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why < 1241991289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that < 1241991294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please read Tufte's "The Cognitive Style of Powerpoint". < 1241991313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, link < 1241991320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bookstore.reality < 1241991334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If you want a summary in presentation form... http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000931 < 1241991335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1241991356 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a very nice front cover: http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/books_pp < 1241991366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1241991370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tufte's a clever guy. < 1241991386 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must find replacement < 1241991386 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Good: teaching kids to smoke < 1241991397 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our information-visualization course had a pile of Tufte books in the "potential reading for interested people" category. < 1241991494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how many presentations have you seen btw. I have seen both good and bad ones. < 1241991502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: too many. < 1241991506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just reading the slides isn't useful at all. < 1241991511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1241991539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates when you find a link on the GCC wiki or whatever to slides from some developer meeting and that being almost useless to explain the issue.
< 1241991664 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the prevalence of similar-looking slides in our seminar-format courses, using LaTeX with the "beamer" package is perhaps the most common way of making slides; well, at least for the more science-oriented departments. I guess presentation-culture might be different at the software business side. < 1241991665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also powerpoint is horrible yes. < 1241991720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slides can be useful when they are displaying something hard to describe in words. Such as a diagram, an image or similar < 1241991759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also, next time you are at a cinema, remember it is just slides, switched very quickly :P < 1241991927 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241991996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not so much that presentations are bad, but people really, really suck at using presentation tools right. < 1241992045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Powerpoint doesn't help in the least. < 1241992099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1241992138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have seen it done right. Without computer. Hand written overhead. < 1241992141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone remember that? < 1241992172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A decent slideshow for presentations should have slides that show little more than, say, diagrams, visualisations... Relevant formulae or algorithms... < 1241992189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah, saw it done a lot by high school teachers. < 1241992205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of whom did a Powerpoint-style overhead. X_X < 1241992295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good slides are just a backdrop to a speech < 1241992305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't really convey the information by themselves, they're meant as something to look at whilst listening < 1241992327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so no useful diagrams? < 1241992336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they can be useful < 1241992343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just diagrams don't normally tell the whole story < 1241992367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or relevant pictures? < 1241992375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it should be a supplement to the speech. Definitely. < 1241992381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't normally tell the whole story either < 1241992402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally speaking, when I do presentations, my slides are pictures but you can't tell what they mean without the description given in speech < 1241992413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not the whole story. But sometimes you can't say it in words easily. < 1241992433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are you trying to disagree with me? < 1241992437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no < 1241992440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell whether you're agreeing or disagreeing < 1241992442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok < 1241992444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying sometimes slides are needed. < 1241992449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1241992450 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supported commands: addinterp bf_txtgen daemon daemons delinterp fyb help info kill userinterps 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf16 bf32 bf8 bfbignum boolfuck c chiqrsx9p choo cintercal clcintercal cxx dimensifuck echo forth glass glypho hello kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor rot13 sadol sceql sh show slashes test trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl yodawg < 1241992450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rare, but can happen < 1241992474 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241992478 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1241992495 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1241992560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, example: You are on an aircraft accident investigation team. You are now describing some specific damages to some relevant people outside the team. The media maybe? Who knows. Anyway it was decided to do it as a presentation. The pictures showing the damages would help a lot in explaining it. Of course, them alone would not be enough. But nor would just describing it be! < 1241992591 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1241992609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nor" is incorrect < 1241992614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean "neither" < 1241992619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah indeed < 1241992666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should create a programming language with the NOR operator as the only boolean operator. :p
< 1241992675 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAND would be worse < 1241992679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think "nor" might be correct there too < 1241992682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NAND is actually more common < 1241992694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being slightly cheaper to make with standard transistors < 1241992708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how comes you often see comments just before end of line in LaTeX btw? < 1241992709 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's a good point < 1241992709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: < 1241992713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, I'm not quite sure < 1241992713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\begin{flushleft}\includegraphics[% < 1241992713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : width=1.0\columnwidth]{img/sgrass.base.111.eps}\end{flushleft} < 1241992724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line continuation? < 1241992735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, thought of that. But it doesn't seem to make any difference if I remove it though < 1241992742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in this case < 1241992743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for humans then < 1241992746 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241992759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that seems even stranger < 1241992857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if it is possible to write C with no spaces or newlines apart from what is needed for #include at the top
< 1241992873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not using /**/ to do it < 1241992883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with /**/ it is easy < 1241992907 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use only integers. < 1241992912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main(){a,b,c;} is legal C. < 1241992922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return? < 1241992932 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return(x); is legal. < 1241992934 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not legal C99 though. < 1241992939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what? < 1241992947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return(x) isn't legal C99? < 1241992951 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a,b,c; < 1241992954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, main() isn't legal C99 < 1241992958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a,b,c; is legal C99 < 1241992960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1241992969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241992970 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Other way around. < 1241992971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and falling off main is defined in C99 to have an implied return 0 < 1241992980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: main() isn't, int main() is < 1241992986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 removed implicit int < 1241992992 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: GCC, at least, accepts main(). < 1241992998 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not {a,b,c;} < 1241992998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a,b,c is illegal if a,b,c aren't defined higher up the file, though < 1241993011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it was valid C99. < 1241993014 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% valid C89. < 1241993015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was just looking at the one line < 1241993019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And idiomatic K&R C. < 1241993022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any way you can do it with other vars than int? < 1241993030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you can define function pointer vars < 1241993033 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also pointers. < 1241993036 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: GCC doesn't accept those declarations, FWIW. < 1241993037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1241993041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that < 1241993044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241993044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, those would probably be more useful than function pointers < 1241993051 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: At global scope, but not at function scope. < 1241993055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hmm. Oh, right. It does for global vars, I think. < 1241993056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do arithmetic on NULL+integer < 1241993061 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as parameters, of course. < 1241993064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int*a; would be valid right? < 1241993070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be undefined, but would mostly work in practice < 1241993070 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1241993072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfectly. < 1241993074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, int*a is valid < 1241993076 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that works, of course. < 1241993085 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int*a=malloc(sizeof(int)); < 1241993086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you'd probably want to use char* < 1241993087 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And use that :-P < 1241993095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, good point < 1241993098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use *a, not just a < 1241993098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... God, you could do int*a=malloc(sizeof(int));*a=x;XD < 1241993111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, *x proably < 1241993112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how are you going to define malloc? < 1241993124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include doesn't work < 1241993125 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, int*a; and then cast it to an integer type all the time < 1241993127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "apart from standard includes at top" I said < 1241993130 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: AnMaster allowed #includes < 1241993132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: #include < 1241993134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1241993137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is valid? < 1241993140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can write void*malloc(size_t); < 1241993141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241993143 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even if you don't allow them, you can declare it < 1241993144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without any whitespace < 1241993144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, GCC will just complain about the implicit declaration. < 1241993146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1241993151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about defining size_t then < 1241993152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241993157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in stddef.h iirc < 1241993157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, you can do the declaration anyways. < 1241993163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, good point < 1241993172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to guess how big a size_t was, and put that type in there instead < 1241993178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, you'd have to hope it was unsigned int < 1241993181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, unsigned long wouldn't work < 1241993183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the other possible types contain spaces < 1241993191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241993205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes it would. It's 32-bit on x86_32 and 64-bit on x86_64. < 1241993215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the space... < 1241993216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC) < 1241993216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1241993229 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. *Unsigned* long. < 1241993231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1241993231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :size_t tends, in practice, to be as big as a pointer < 1241993232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think plain long would work if you made sure to only do small allocations < 1241993233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1241993245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241993250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well probably undef < 1241993256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would work in practise < 1241993280 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No structs or typedefs or unions. < 1241993308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, just use int*structs_a; < 1241993311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int*structs_b; < 1241993313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1241993316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each field < 1241993325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1241993325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dudes < 1241993329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it would be split over several arrays < 1241993331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use arrays somehow < 1241993334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of malloc < 1241993338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, see above ^ < 1241993340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like int*x={0} < 1241993346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what < 1241993354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't work? < 1241993359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an example < 1241993363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That wouldn't work. < 1241993378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the array isn't allocated anywhere < 1241993388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an example < 1241993388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an example < 1241993389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an example < 1241993395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1241993397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a crap example. < 1241993397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant "basic idea, make it work" < 1241993400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a working example < 1241993422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I suspect it can't work, apart from for integer variables in the array in C89 < 1241993466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it just *might* work, so long as that pointer never, ever leaves the function scope. < 1241993478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway structs split over several malloced arrays would work fine, it would even be in line with current trends, stream processing stuff and such. Unit stride. Buzz words. < 1241993502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I don't think it would compile < 1241993540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: A lot of weird shit compiles. < 1241993567 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sends 10 ultraviolent norns through the warp
< 1241993602 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should make them unrejectable, for extra fun! < 1241993668 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far, Hinco hasn't rejected any of my norns, as far as I can tell < 1241993676 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, Hinco rejected a norn < 1241993703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hinco? < 1241993709 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some random DS user < 1241993753 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, when I send a rejected norn through, it keeps being sent to the user who rejected him < 1241993849 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1241993879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go home, I think < 1241993880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241994011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, does this game exist in a single player edition? < 1241994012 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguly wonders if his norns are causing death around the Warp
< 1241994023 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, well, you don't have to go online >.> < 1241994031 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game is it? < 1241994037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ehird said it was freeware for linux? hm < 1241994038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1241994041 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Docking Station, part of the Creatures series < 1241994095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1241994118 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gamewaredevelopment.co.uk/downloads_more.php?id=448_0_8_0_M13 for Linux < 1241994136 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll need to patch some script with http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/creatures/ds.diff < 1241994160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naming suggestions (ehird is banned after previous bad suggestion): BF-to-C compiler written in Scheme, will be slightly optimising, but nothing fancy. Previous idea was SFUCK (as a joke on BF and S-Expressions), but I want some SFW name. < 1241994184 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUCK < 1241994196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that sounds like a sexual joke again :P < 1241994211 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me it just sounds like it sucks < 1241994241 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was ehird's suggestion? < 1241994260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not PFUCK. < 1241994264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, something like "thisappwillbehorrible", don't remember exactly < 1241994271 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including the period. < 1241994274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and I'm not going for that < 1241994288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SFW" remember < 1241994299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. < 1241994320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PathBF? BFScale? < 1241994326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds enterprisy! < 1241994335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or OpenBF maybe < 1241994350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241994411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF is short for BlueFang clearly, which is a pun on BlueTooth. Meaning it should be called RedEar? < 1241994419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1241994486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'll call it "after", since my other bf-to-c compiler was called "before" < 1241994621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws a dice for which DVCS to use. 1 = bzr, 2 = darcs, 3 = hg, other values = rethrow.
< 1241994625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.. < 1241994633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6... rethrow. < 1241994650 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1241994651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 bzr. :) < 1241994656 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T41ZRw45obs rotfl < 1241994663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was worried I would end up with darcs < 1241994718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, tl;dd; < 1241994725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to lazy, didn't download) < 1241994731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no flash < 1241994734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is it about < 1241994774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "12 months" in estonian sounds like "cock tastes good" in english. < 1241994777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fin~ < 1241994787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1241994808 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to ponder that for over 10 minutes when I saw it on reddit, thinking what the hell the point was < 1241994809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kaksteist kuud" < 1241994819 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps that it sounds almost the same in Finnish < 1241994852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, to me it didn't sound like the English one. More like kaksties qood < 1241994862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you're not English. :P < 1241994865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true < 1241994877 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, only English can mangle other languages so successfully < 1241994882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1241994884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first, I thought they'd been the subject of a prank < 1241994885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1241994889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the girls didn't know estonian < 1241994893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but had been told that translation or something < 1241994900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took translating it myself to realise it was pronounciation < 1241994942 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to send some superbreeders through < 1241994980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, go play SL. And spam that instead. It was less bad. < 1241994992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I prefer the Creatures talk. < 1241995001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because I've tortured my fair share of norn in my time. < 1241995008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, or even better. Go play nethack < 1241995015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will be interesting < 1241995021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT: AnMaster orders people around and tells them what they enjoy < 1241995037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, I just find this completely irrelevant to the channel ;P < 1241995046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 99% of talk in here. < 1241995048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, tell me about PSOX instead! < 1241995058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, only when you are active < 1241995075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's simply false. < 1241995080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do read the logs, you know. < 1241995103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, statistics please < 1241995109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No thanks < 1241995117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :showing the off-topicness < 1241995151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I don't have a strong AI to filter those < 1241995167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, your brain should be quite adequate I hope < 1241995193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember how to do file IO in scheme!
< 1241995204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm not going to manually filter logs. < 1241995207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lern2R5RS. < 1241995213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's less than 50 pages! < 1241995217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/ < 1241995220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I know < 1241995224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_sec_6.6 < 1241995225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just didn't remember how < 1241995227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :library procedure: (call-with-input-file string proc) < 1241995228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :library procedure: (call-with-output-file string proc) < 1241995229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1241995239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1241995240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optional procedure: (with-input-from-file string thunk) < 1241995240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optional procedure: (with-output-to-file string thunk) < 1241995242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1241995242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241995246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't it < 1241995249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with-input-from-file "foo" (lambda (s) (display s))) < 1241995250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is cat < 1241995254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1241995282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no it isn't, cat is "concatenate", meaning the point of cat is that it takes several files. < 1241995284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1241995293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Read esolang wiki. < 1241995296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway mzscheme/drscheme < 1241995299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think about it < 1241995300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our official definition of cat is copying input to output. < 1241995309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they're acceptable. < 1241995312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm using the POSIX definition < 1241995317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They deviate a bit too much from R5RS for my tastes. < 1241995319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do you find any other implementation better? < 1241995322 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHAHAHAHA < 1241995324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use the R5RS language, it's better. < 1241995336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it depends. There is a gigantic variety, and none are perfect. < 1241995353 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This person must have left the door open.. they sent me my norns back in such a way that I can, without modifying anything, force them to accept it < 1241995358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, of course none is perfect. But which one is best. < 1241995371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it seems mzscheme defaults to R6RS. < 1241995382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, slap it then and tell it to use R5RS. < 1241995407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The best is probably Chez Scheme, but it's proprietary and $$$. (Chez Scheme Lite is freeware). Gambit is fast, Gauche has a lot of non-R5RS scripting-related tools. Guile is shit. MIT/GNU Scheme is *VERY* R5RS-compliant, but supports little else. (I'd prefer it if you're just writing R5RS). < 1241995428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme 48 is quite popular and R5RS-compliant, iirc. I have used it a bit and it is quite nice. < 1241995437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241995438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s48.org/ < 1241995443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a good bet. < 1241995447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(I'd prefer it if you're just writing R5RS)." <-- why do you care? < 1241995460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I mean, I'd prefer that implementation if I'm just writing R5RS < 1241995466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what that usage means < 1241995479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, I do recommend writing R5RS :-P < 1241995509 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1241995514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird's recommended Scheme development environment: Scheme 48 (http://s48.org/) + Emacs + quack.el (http://www.neilvandyke.org/quack/) < 1241995516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a copy of R5RS. < 1241995529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quack.el is invaluable; just remember to set its fontify style to 'emacs in your .emacs < 1241995545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the implementation executable nam < 1241995545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1241995589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If you just want to develop something Real Quick(TM), DrScheme (the "IDE") in R5RS mode + a copy of the standard works too. < 1241995596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1241995614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, atm I just want to get a basic such compiler working < 1241995633 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1241995634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you want something I'd recommend for R5RS work, install Scheme 48. Your package manager has it. < 1241995641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's not even a conditional. It has it :-P) < 1241995656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been under development since 1987, IIRC. < 1241995659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I dislike the indention style used in DrScheme :( < 1241995661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bytecode compiler/interpreter < 1241995664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Use Quack. Srsly. < 1241995671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it uses much the same style. < 1241995671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm ok < 1241995678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The indentation of Scheme code is a subtle art. It takes getting used to. < 1241995682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it pays off. < 1241995683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION emerges app-emacs/quack
< 1241995686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah: < 1241995687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name ‘Scheme 48’ commemorates our having written the original version in forty-eight hours, on August 6th and 7th, 1986. < 1241995693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and scheme48 :-P < 1241995713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is 1.8 last version of that? < 1241995721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1241995730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's over a year old, but it is the latest version < 1241995749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.30 of quack? < 1241995762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.35, but it doesn't matter. < 1241995765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1241995772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Note: s48's REPL doesn't do command line editing. Use rlwrap or better, interact via Quack. < 1241995788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION files a post-it note to the edge of his monitor to file a bug about the quack package being outdated
< 1241995819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: Note: s48's REPL doesn't do command line editing. Use rlwrap or better, interact via Quack. <-- guile had a VERY good line editing REPL, with highlighting of matching () too < 1241995820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1241995823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs
< 1241995833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(require 'quack) < 1241995833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(setq quack-fontify-style 'emacs) < 1241995834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(setq quack-default-program "scheme48") < 1241995836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(setq quack-run-scheme-always-prompts-p nil) < 1241995838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ↑ how to set up quack in .emacs < 1241995846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the last one do < 1241995849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Guile doesn't even get continuations right! < 1241995855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Doesn't ask you what scheme impl you want to start every single time. < 1241995867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, after doing that, open a .scm and type C-c C-l < 1241995872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the window will split into your file and a REPL. < 1241995890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From there... well... M-x quack- and see what it can do :-P < 1241995892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, C-c C-l? :/ < 1241995897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have that bound to other things < 1241995897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: aka "load-file" < 1241995901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1241995908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not going to change! < 1241995915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: All Lisp modes use it. < 1241995935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um no? I tried the elisp mode just now < 1241995947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The elisp mode isn't much of a mode. < 1241995951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it works nothing like most Lisps. < 1241995968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1241995996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checked in default scheme mode toop < 1241995997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too* < 1241996001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1241996005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I misremember < 1241996011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ask emacs what quack-load-file or whatever is bound to < 1241996018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quack isn't installed yet < 1241996023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you do so. < 1241996031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nice thing about emacs/quack is that printf-debugging becomes really hard: you have to switch to a terminal, get the command to do it, and run it. < 1241996038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas trying in the repl is just a few keys. < 1241996073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which is worst: Guile or R6RS? < 1241996088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both awful in entirely different ways. < 1241996098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1241996107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can be both as terribly awful as each other and live separate, peaceful lives of hate and rage. < 1241996130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should implement R6RS in guile < 1241996133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to annoy you < 1241996151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They shall die. < 1241996167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you have contacts in the maffia? < 1241996179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I have contacts in the maffffffffffffffffffffffffffffia though. < 1241996186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what < 1241996190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDGI < 1241996212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maffia" < 1241996218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1241996223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the spelling in Englush < 1241996226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English* < 1241996257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it isn't < 1241996263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is two f in Swedish < 1241996266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy mistake to make < 1241996289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are being targeted by the mafffffffffffffffffffffffff(3 minutes of f)fffia. < 1241996342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even imagine how you thought that would be a joke. It can't be anything else though < 1241996380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not a joke as such. It is just an amusing image. < 1241996454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, image? < 1241996458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a line of text < 1241996466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mental. Image. < 1241996473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. those. < 1241996581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POINTLESS PROJECT IDEA #4564: watercool a 386. < 1241996618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POINTLESS PROJECT IDEA #4563: make a 386 that needs watercooling. < 1241996624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1241996627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be some terrible 386. < 1241996633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1241996642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about massive SMP with 386 < 1241996647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1241996648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :386 386s < 1241996650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1241996651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cluster of them < 1241996652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it would be a 386 with some incredible clock speeds. < 1241996663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cluster of three hundred and eighty-six 386s. < 1241996665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no no. at least a thousand of them < 1241996669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running at 386MHz each. < 1241996673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 386 at 3GHz would probably need some ridiculous cooling. < 1241996673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1241996679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.86GHz. < 1241996687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :386 386s @ 3.86GHz < 1241996698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1241996701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't work < 1241996707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyever not? < 1241996711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where would you fit the 387 co-processors < 1241996714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be no space left < 1241996715 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1241996717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hammerspace. < 1241996738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have 387 of them. < 1241996746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heuristics detected popular culture reference. Not found in database. < 1241996749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Hammerspace < 1241996754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1241996756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MWAHAHA!) < 1241996760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not clicking tvtroupe links < 1241996764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not < 1241996766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: curl http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Hammerspace | w3m -dump < 1241996770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| $EDITOR < 1241996772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved < 1241996775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um? < 1241996781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w3m -dump erases links :-) < 1241996787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not -dump < 1241996788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynx -dump < 1241996792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1241996793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1241996795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w3m -dump < 1241996797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need to do < 1241996799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w3m -dump /dev/stdin < 1241996800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1241996817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: curl http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Hammerspace>x&& w3m -dump x|$EDITOR < 1241996827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1241996829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work either < 1241996830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that displays html just < 1241996831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the idea < 1241996833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241996840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1241996841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here < 1241996846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: w3m -dump http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Hammerspace|$EDITOR < 1241996870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tried it? < 1241996873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1241996877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is hilariously bad < 1241996883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1241996887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything in a thin column at the middle < 1241996887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241996889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the text column is just a little small < 1241996893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still perfectly readable < 1241996900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: M-q < 1241996904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the emacs command is to reformat < 1241996913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynx -dump is more readable < 1241996914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1241996916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using less < 1241996936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do whatever :P < 1241996954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, define:whatever in this context < 1241996965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever=anything you want, except less enthusiastic < 1241997018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how quiet modern watercooled systems are. < 1241997067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In April 2008, Cray and Intel announced they would collaborate on future supercomputer systems. The first product from this collaboration, the Cray CX1, was launched in September the same year. This is a blade server system, comprising up to 16 dual- or quad-core Intel Xeon processors, with either Microsoft Windows HPC Server 2008 or Red Hat Enterprise Linux installed. " < 1241997071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT's a super-computer? < 1241997082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 cores of a regular server processor. Woop de doo. < 1241997161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: share in my outraeg. < 1241997163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's two of our silly all-the-money build. < 1241997164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*outrage < 1241997171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1241997177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's cuz we weren't optimizing for processors :P < 1241997184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1241997184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, it only costs $10k too < 1241997188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i checked < 1241997192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous < 1241997195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, we had 8 chips in the damn thing. < 1241997201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a high end number-cruncher < 1241997230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A supercomputer is more than 4U. < 1241997231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1241997256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, jeeze. That's 16 freaking *blades*. < 1241997272 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a single blade chassis! < 1241997276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, this supercomputer thing is crap < 1241997283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a bunch of regular Xeon machines stuck together < 1241997286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it's pricy stuff, but a supercomputer? < 1241997302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a low-to-midrange cluster, I guess... < 1241997319 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wouldn't AnHammer want to click Tv Trope links? < 1241997322 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too addictive? < 1241997324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnHammer. < 1241997337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: /nick plz < 1241997346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1241997353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:15 Sgeo: Why wouldn't AnHammer want to click Tv Trope links? < 1241997354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:15 ehird: AnHammer. < 1241997379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not going to change to that nick. And you can take it if you want. I don't care. < 1241997386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1241997388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just going to confuse tab completion for everyone else < 1241997389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grouchy! < 1241997395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define:Grouchy < 1241997423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1241997425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Too addictive? <-- help help I'm held prisoner in a wiki about tv troupes < 1241997425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SRSLY? < 1241997430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1241997434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooooooooow. < 1241997545 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kakteists kood < 1241997581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tell me what it means then < 1241997587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look it up. < 1241997589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1241997602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crabbed: annoyed and irritable < 1241997602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn < 1241997602 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wassup? < 1241997603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1241997624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why would it be odd not to know it? < 1241997636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a non-native < 1241997637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the most commenest word ever :P < 1241997641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*commonest < 1241997650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. I think "a" or possibly "an" is in English < 1241997655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1241997656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the" is also very common < 1241997663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is "and" iirc < 1241997676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a word frequency table for English handly < 1241997679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handy* < 1241997680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm < 1241997793 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1241997916 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1241997925 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny thing < 1241997956 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polish 'no' = english 'yep' < 1241997995 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1241998406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should start making other languages look bad. Brainfuck has too long been the standard for "this language is as readable as X!" < 1241998416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We must create new horrific things to make mainstream languages look bad :-) < 1241998436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it just so happens, Brainfuck is a poor language for such comparisons. < 1241998447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is relatively legible. < 1241998533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge, on the other hand. < 1241998565 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... < 1241998571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appropriate name. < 1241998638 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace is kind of hard to read, too, without a syntax highlighter... < 1241999180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: how goes your bef int? < 1241999201 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't touched it in months :) < 1241999230 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite happy to be avoiding C++, really < 1241999233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: I wasn't asking about your mother < 1241999239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit why did you have to get that line in < 1241999508 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always get it in < 1241999587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawk < 1241999589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1241999798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glide_API anyone remember this < 1241999808 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1241999808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn, Voodoo cards. < 1241999812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things sucked :) < 1241999813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bsmntbombdood < 1241999819 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/screenshots/nornfest.PNG < 1241999840 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1241999848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: those components arrived? < 1241999859 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol no < 1241999880 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wednesday < 1241999902 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just killed them all < 1241999909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what OS you sticking on it? < 1241999911 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha at the gravestones rolling across the screen < 1241999932 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno yet < 1241999947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I'd go for a linux distro due to the lvm ssd shit < 1241999966 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, not worth it < 1241999974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: sure it is < 1241999978 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/screenshots/nornfest_dead.PNG < 1241999999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: compared to the fragmented table that the SSD will do instead...