< 1243814431 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use geothermal cooling! < 1243814447 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bury your radiator under a pond < 1243814466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i'll just have a huge pump with a section of tube that goes into space < 1243814472 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1243814474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should cool it adequately. < 1243814652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: all the radiators seem to be designed for use w/ fans < 1243814659 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1243814665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: maybe I should get two low-dissipation radiators < 1243814677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as they're a few cm apart, should be fine < 1243814701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: no? < 1243814702 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243814737 0 :nooga!n=Freya@86-63-124-134.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1243814786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: your silence is agreement < 1243814871 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion wind cooling would be cool < 1243814936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: passive agreement < 1243815127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: < 1243815128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koolance Releases Its First LN2 CPU Cooler < 1243815129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CPU-LN2 is for cooling enthusiasts using liquid nitrogen. It supports a wide range of current processors, including: Intel LGA-1366, LGA-775, AMD AM2, AM2+, AM3, and others. < 1243815137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: y/n < 1243815145 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardehar < 1243815155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it's only $144.99 < 1243815157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243815164 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243815174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:04 ehird: bsmntbombdood: maybe I should get two low-dissipation radiators < 1243815174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:04 ehird: as long as they're a few cm apart, should be fine < 1243815175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:05 ehird: bsmntbombdood: no? < 1243815185 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1243815197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't see why not < 1243815237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that + take off case fan grill + put a lot of stuff in the loop (but not _everything_, due to a gigantic mass of wires not being appealing - the rest can be handled w/ the minimal natural airflow) < 1243815242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 0dB < 1243815581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: amirite < 1243815585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you keep saying it won't work < 1243815587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why not < 1243815621 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the pump i guess < 1243815665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ehh, you wouldn't need too much < 1243815810 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1243815829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wut < 1243816290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wut < 1243816294 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1243816314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wut < 1243816326 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1243816336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wut < 1243816759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wut < 1243816869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lostkingdom contains an easter egg it seems < 1243816882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os("\n\nYou have activated the easter egg"); < 1243816886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know WHAT it is < 1243816894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that it exists < 1243816937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ask your compiler < 1243816947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not good enough yet :P < 1243816990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: apparently car radiators can dissipate just about anything fanlessly < 1243816993 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you've said something asbout sleeping? < 1243816993 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D ehird < 1243816998 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NO" < 1243816998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: vut? < 1243816999 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would hope so < 1243817000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243817001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO. < 1243817011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: the question is, why can't pc radiators? < 1243817014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're basically the same < 1243817020 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're small < 1243817021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : bsmntbombdood: apparently car radiators can dissipate just about anything fanlessly <-- part of this is due to car moving maybe? < 1243817022 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me thah cooling in my mercedes-benz is broken ;C < 1243817029 0 :Dewio!n=dewi@124-171-195-180.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1243817030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ...no < 1243817034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, kay < 1243817040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i guess < 1243817043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :car radiators aren't huge though < 1243817045 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cars also have free power < 1243817059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: here's the one that was mentioned: http://www.radiatorworld.com/radiatorworldfinal/displayProducts.aspx?carno=26640 < 1243817064 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: since when? < 1243817081 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for certain definitions of fere < 1243817083 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*free < 1243817098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ugh, that's alum < 1243817170 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1243817176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: copper waterblocks < 1243817181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ aluminum radiator < 1243817184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := CORROSION AHOY < 1243817373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HARUMPH < 1243817748 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Cars also have free power" " well, for certain definitions of free" < 1243817758 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free (adj): With cost < 1243817763 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243817767 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) < 1243817778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free is cost! < 1243817797 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's free, the cost is spitting on the American flag! < 1243817797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pax is unpax! < 1243817808 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.NET is free! < 1243817822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lights the flag on fire < 1243817898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is defacing the flag actually illegal in the us of a? < 1243817906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No. < 1243817913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were attempts to make it illega. < 1243817917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard somewhere that it was < 1243817917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243817923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illegal, rather. < 1243817954 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. There was a "suggested code of conduct" passed by Congress regarding the flag, but it's a suggestion, not law. < 1243817966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that was passed back in the 1800s. < 1243817975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think a bit after the Civil War) < 1243818241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i want is a gigantic radiator < 1243818245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that too much to ask for < 1243818271 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1243818289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets the Union Jack on fire for that one < 1243818310 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1243818372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: which of these sounds more radiating to you: < 1243818376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feser TFC Xchanger - Monsta Extreme Radiator 420/360 < 1243818377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feser X-Changer QUAD 480 Extreme Performance Radiator < 1243818379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former costs more < 1243818383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$100 more < 1243818383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243818415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it. < 1243818421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: fuck what < 1243818428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets the EU and UN flags on fire. Piss off everyone. < 1243818434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europeans more so. < 1243818441 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of em < 1243818594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: the reserator seems to be the best fanless copper radiator you can get < 1243818639 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1243818685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: http://www.highspeedpc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=InnovaKonvect < 1243818688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard: < 1243818688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hxlxw): 35x23x5cm < 1243818689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weight: 4.76 pounds < 1243818691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dissipates approx. 80 watts < 1243818693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAXI: < 1243818695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hxlxw): 45x33x5cm !! < 1243818697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weight 10.5 pounds !! < 1243818699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dissipates approx. 125 watts < 1243818701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like two chained reserators is the way to go... < 1243818711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1243818821 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster < 1243818935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 'nother one that does 130W < 1243818940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing >=200W yet < 1243818941 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaſter: Þou art known as AnMaſter. How dareſt thee? < 1243818953 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you see the reservator dissipating 200w? < 1243818962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: user anecdotes < 1243818979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s all you have to go on, really < 1243818999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the systems I've seen people use w/ them generally look about 200w too < 1243819000 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1243819002 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need testing < 1243819042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yeah, well, it's consistent < 1243819086 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy all of them, a well calibrated heating element, and some high quality thermometers < 1243819089 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243819095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: and a new wallet < 1243819129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: specs say 1,274m2 dissipation area < 1243819133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I assume means 1.274m2 < 1243819149 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giggle < 1243819156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what < 1243819169 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1274 m**2 < 1243819176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1243819179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best. radiator. evarr < 1243819310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: my ass says that the reserator dissipates 2345872389729384W < 1243819318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a very accurate ass < 1243819330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accura-tass < 1243819375 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243819378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: user anecdote says that it can cool a core 2 quad @ 2.66 plus two nvidia 8600GTSes at load below 27C < 1243819387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's look at dem TDPs < 1243819407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY DON'T SAY < 1243819410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to GOOGLE. < 1243819479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you find out the heat of a 8600GTS < 1243819486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'll find out the heat of a core 2 quad @ 2.66ghz < 1243819492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEAM WURK < 1243819504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :65W < 1243819532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimum of a 350 Watt power supply. (Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 22 Amp Amps.) < 1243819532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimum 450 Watt for SLI mode system. (Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 24 Amp Amps.) < 1243819535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An available 6 pin PCI-E power connector (hard drive power dongle to PCI-E 6 pin adapter included with card) < 1243819538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: how much heat do you think < 1243819543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally unhelpful specs < 1243819568 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they need the extra power connector? < 1243819579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1243819583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't seem like how-powered cards though < 1243819587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainstream 8 generation < 1243819589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :circa 2007 < 1243819592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*high-powered < 1243819613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$200 price range < 1243819616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they were released < 1243819638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1243819640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power consumption < 1243819645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1243819647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"entire system" < 1243819648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1243819690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ah a low-powered looking system here < 1243819695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8600 GTS XXX, which I guess means overclocked < 1243819697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :198W at load < 1243819708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: so shall we say 40W for the un-overclocked one? < 1243819728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 65W + 40W*2(=145W) = 210W < 1243819734 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvida says 110w for the 8800 < 1243819740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 8600 gts < 1243819743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way different < 1243819747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8800 was high-end < 1243819749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is mainstream < 1243819782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1243819787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1243819798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: shall we say 40W? < 1243819802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably a low estimate < 1243819804 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too low < 1243819814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: well < 1243819823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: if we say 40W, the cpu + 2 graphics cards = 210W < 1243819830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the reserator can dissipate *at least* 210W < 1243819837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving the components below 27C < 1243819853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: < 1243819854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Struggles to work with the newer 2 x nVidia 8800 as they just got too hot over 61 degrees celsius out of game reset in game RED HOT no overclock uses as the cards would have gone into meltdown! " < 1243819860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :110*2 = 220W < 1243819860 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243819872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it dissipates at least 210W, but below 220W < 1243819890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're conservative and say 210, that's 420W if you chain two together < 1243819898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than the i7+295 = 429W < 1243819900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phooey < 1243819934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: best route is probably a copper car radiator < 1243819938 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243819945 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you didn't want to diy < 1243819960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: that's w/ thinking i can use 2 reserators < 1243819966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really want to buy three < 1243819981 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1243819987 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awesome < 1243819990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1243820002 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so grepping all of my irc logs before - 2-3 minutes < 1243820003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 'big truck radiators' < 1243820008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1243820013 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grepping all my irc logs now, on the ssd...12 seconds < 1243820018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243820022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssds are awesome < 1243820024 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even cached < 1243820034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember when you thought the ssd wasn't worth the money? < 1243820035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1243820037 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second time you grep, 1.1 seconds < 1243820038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun times < 1243820063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: argh car radiator shops suck they all sort by brand < 1243820072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T CARE ABOUT BRAND JUST GIMME A RADIATOR < 1243820073 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: junkyard < 1243820083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i don't know of a junkyard nearby < 1243820087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I need copper < 1243820092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copper car radiators are rare < 1243820106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha this will be so ghetto < 1243820117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mounting a big car radiator on the wall of some unused stairs < 1243820125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may even be ghettotastic < 1243820169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: how much do you think a car radiator can dissipate fanlessly? < 1243820171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet ~300W < 1243820191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... i'll probably need two < 1243820195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's accurate. < 1243820229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: how much do you think? < 1243820278 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1243820414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: maybe i should use quantum cooling < 1243820430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (!magically_evaporated(heat)) destroy_universe(); < 1243820484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i can't find any pure-copper radiators :<<<<<<<<<<<< < 1243820514 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1243820519 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you set on copper < 1243820525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: copper waterblocks < 1243820545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spell it with me: g-a-l-v-a-n-i-c c-o-r-r-o-s-i-o-n < 1243820545 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                   |     |     | < 1243820546 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                  /|    /'\    |\ < 1243820604 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make an open-air radiator < 1243820611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what < 1243820615 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a large angled sheet < 1243820620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243820651 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243820664 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend just had an interesting idea for an esolang < 1243820754 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the language would be legalese. < 1243820798 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243820808 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : o < 1243820825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -o-o-o- < 1243820825 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                         |   | < 1243820825 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        /|  /| < 1243820835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: stop that < 1243820837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obnoxious < 1243820837 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY'RE HOLDING HIS HEAD! < 1243820849 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :johnkeilloh@aol.com < 1243820852 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1243820855 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/How_many_lawyers_does_it_take_to_change_a_lightbulb%3F < 1243820858 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid copy-paste < 1243820862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :johnkeilloh@aol.com < 1243820872 0 :Patashu!n=Patashu@c122-106-162-185.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1243821052 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: funny, but poorly done. < 1243821129 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the original was better < 1243821136 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the one that popped up on google < 1243821139 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawyers do not define their terms and then fail to use them uniformly in place of "part of the ..." < 1243821147 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :party of the* < 1243821186 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually, when they were paid by the word, they probably would have < 1243821194 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they dont. < 1243821221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exchange: you give me a copper car radiator, i give you semi-eternal gratitude < 1243821223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any takers? < 1243821258 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1243821298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1243821313 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not for not wanting to < 1243821323 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just that were all on the internet, you see < 1243821333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: exchange: you help me find a copper car radiator, i give you semi-eternal gratitude < 1243821391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: very possible! < 1243821396 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :craigslist.co.uk < 1243821412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: cl isn't in my city. < 1243821420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its not a city. < 1243821423 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? maybe the person will ship! < 1243821425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a town. a small abbey town. < 1243821433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that's not helping me to find one :) < 1243821460 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh alright < 1243821460 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shop.ebay.co.uk/items/?_nkw=copper+radiator&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_odkw=copper+car+radiator&_osacat=0 < 1243821461 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1243821478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: none of those tell me how much heat they dissipate :) < 1243821485 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look up the specs! < 1243821518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RENAULT-5-GT-TURBO-FULL-COPPER-RADIATOR-CORE_W0QQitemZ390055782501QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item5ad122e865&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1121%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 okay Renault 5 GT Turbo google for that oh just more sellings of the copper core. < 1243821521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible < 1243821590 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call renault! < 1243821598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmnope < 1243821615 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well! < 1243821943 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Quinn-Adagio-QS7002CP-Copper-Colour-Designer-Radiator_W0QQitemZ280347991448QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Home_Garden_Hearing_Cooling_Air?hash=item41460add98&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 < 1243821985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 1239W? < 1243821987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1243822006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: except < 1243822010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it's 6 feet tall < 1243822021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stairs aren't high enough to fit something 6 feet tall on a wall < 1243822041 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1243822047 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not a car radiator tho < 1243822056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it's a radiator w/ high wattage, and it's copper < 1243822062 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... < 1243822063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: good enough to watercool a computer. < 1243822065 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SAID CAR RADIATOR < 1243822067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243822070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because car radiators have high wattage < 1243822073 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i looked for car radiators. < 1243822087 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had you TOLD ME you wanted just ANY radiator that wouldnt been different! :| < 1243822091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243822094 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebay has lots of those. < 1243822101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: right then,. < 1243822103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that. < 1243822104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1243822164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: how did you search for it? < 1243822170 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"copper radiator" < 1243822175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said bsmntbombdood < 1243822178 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1243822340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: < 1243822485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: that radiator doesn't list its water capacity < 1243822495 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243822501 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243822536 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why the hell do you need such a large radiator for a computer? < 1243822548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: ~429 watts of height, buddy. < 1243822554 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1243822555 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: he wants it passive < 1243822561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two zalman reserators only dissipate 420W total < 1243822567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need to go more heavy-duty < 1243822572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1243822573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fans. < 1243822576 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1243822590 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want to eliminate fans?? < 1243822604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: one word < 1243822605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noise. < 1243822617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wanted fans, I'd go for air cooling, not water cooling. < 1243822617 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :water pumps make noise < 1243822627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Yes, that's why I'm putting it in the next room < 1243822635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, good water pumps are inaudible from a very short distance < 1243822637 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1243822638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much more inaudible than fans < 1243822641 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre crazy < 1243822650 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more so, your parents are crazy for letting you do this < 1243822658 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, wtf are you doing that fan noise is an issue? :P < 1243822665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: perhaps— but the only moving parts in my system will be one measly pump and a HD for data (os on solid state drive) < 1243822670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, thinking :) < 1243822686 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243822687 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmfao < 1243822692 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre crazy < 1243822696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have very good hearing < 1243822710 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh huh :P < 1243822714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can hear little noises from the living room - separated by an awful lot of space, and a thick wall < 1243822715 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thinking" < 1243822715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After this, he's making an anechoic chamber. < 1243822716 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1243822720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1243822721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, thinking < 1243822727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: also. < 1243822730 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH THINKING TO BE DONE < 1243822740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a computer with no fans at all? the geek factor is high. < 1243822790 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hes going to be doing thinking, you know. < 1243822806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anechoic chambers actually aren't very good for you < 1243822807 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want an anechoic chamer < 1243822813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for being in for a long time < 1243822821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your body expects some noise < 1243822825 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah, you get too much thinking done < 1243822831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: fuck off :) < 1243822835 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1243822841 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee hee "thinking" < 1243822843 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird you're so adorable. < 1243822848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: dude, it was a joke < 1243822850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get over yourself < 1243822853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye, anyway. < 1243822855 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets pissed at his Internet connection. Will be back when it decides to do HTTP faster than 300 baud < 1243822873 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it wasnt a joke, ehird < 1243822890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, one more thing psygnisfive < 1243822903 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1243822926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a mac user right? I'm buying a high-end machine. Did you know that a lot of work that goes into Macs is to silence them? If you think that's what a high-end system sounds like, you really have no idea how loud they can be. < 1243822928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye → < 1243822941 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243823243 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man. ehird needs to get fucked < 1243824025 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats a popsicle < 1243824029 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seductively) < 1243824451 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243824653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to present the pinnacle of diactrics technology: ı̥̈̇̉̆̅̄̃̂́̀̐̑̒̊ < 1243824667 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243824724 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE COMES < 1243825067 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I see a lambda < 1243825081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No lambda. < 1243825093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 15 Unicode combining characters. < 1243826063 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-171-202-185.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243827268 0 :Dewio!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Dewi < 1243827372 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243830734 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1243832184 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Patashu/SteampunkX - MSN = Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM = Patashu0 , YIM = Patashu2 , Googletalk = Patashu0@gmail.com ." < 1243833272 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses the present perfect progressive tense, thereby making all non-native speakers in the world wonder why he didn't use the past progressive, the present perfect, or the simple past tense. < 1243833332 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tense situation < 1243833336 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wanted to imply that I expect that the action has not stopped and will continue into the future.) < 1243833343 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1243834581 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243835731 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243835762 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243836746 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243836756 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1243836803 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243837389 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here ever read the whole of the human genome? < 1243837424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1243837437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same reason that I wouldn't read the whole encyclopedia. < 1243837456 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm! < 1243838015 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big is the human genome? < 1243838036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couple gigs? < 1243838038 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few megs. < 1243838061 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few megs? Gosh, that's tiny. < 1243838066 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is. < 1243838092 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could read a few megs of text in... not all that long. < 1243838099 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofcourse it depends on how you describe it < 1243838109 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two bits per base? < 1243838110 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ACGT form? or in gene form? < 1243838130 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "gene form"? < 1243838134 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1243838141 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOXP2 is the name of a gene < 1243838146 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a list of the names of genes? < 1243838151 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably hundreds or thousands of base pairs long < 1243838167 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that's what the few megs number is. < 1243838177 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's really no point unless you're also reading the genes themselves. < 1243838232 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, of course, a completely reasonable thing to do. You look at the GATTACA, translate that into amino acids, and imagine how that would fold. < 1243838245 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teehee gattaca < 1243838246 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1243838434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough. A freaking MySQL dump is a few megs. < 1243838520 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ey? < 1243838553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some site has a searchable index of genomes. They publish MySQL dumps. < 1243838559 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1243838664 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant find the genome at all < 1243838690 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be a place where you could just download a text file with the whole thing in it < 1243838694 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess not anymore < 1243838900 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's apparently a DNA sequence called piggyBac. < 1243838908 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a transposon. < 1243839150 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1243841407 0 :whtspc!n=chatzill@c115216.upc-c.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1243842266 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243842271 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1243842320 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-33.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1243843199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1243843200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1243843399 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" < 1243844505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:14:32 * kerlo uses the present perfect progressive tense, thereby making all non-native speakers in the world wonder why he didn't use the past progressive, the present perfect, or the simple past tense. < 1243844509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:15:32 a tense situation < 1243844534 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good pun < 1243844536 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we in the business call a "pun" < 1243844563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, kerlo didn't (i am pretty sure that tense has the form "has been -ing", which he did not use). Also, Gracenotes, i must sue you for patent infringement. nothing personal. < 1243844743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:23:57 Same reason that I wouldn't read the whole encyclopedia. < 1243844763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls doing most of the "A" volume when young < 1243844776 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, interest was too fleeting... < 1243844854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically, the A-BEM volume, iirc) < 1243844910 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, crappy encyclopedia < 1243844912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a lot of pointer chasing. < 1243844920 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first volume of mine is AAA-AAB < 1243844933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1243844949 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wait < 1243844957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats bsmntbombdood -----### < 1243844964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOES NOT COMPUTE < 1243845012 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1243845069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way is there an entire volume of things starting with AA < 1243845112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as your volume doesn't even _get_ to aardvark or aachen < 1243845121 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said, it's large < 1243845174 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa is even more dubious. although i suppose aab could take up more than half of the volume. < 1243845183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1243845334 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an English encyclopedia. < 1243845345 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an Aaabaaabaabababian encyclopedia. < 1243845354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa. < 1243845398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the next volume is BAA-BAB, and there are only two of them. < 1243845409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1243845416 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there's a short BBA-BBB volume. < 1243845423 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot ABA < 1243845427 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah :P < 1243845431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABA-ABBA < 1243845446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it only has a single obscure band under the latter < 1243845519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, three volumes. < 1243845523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, four < 1243845543 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, there's a full 17,576 volumes < 1243845615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't BELIEVE you < 1243845713 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orn.org is available. < 1243847204 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1243847305 0 :Dewi!n=dewi@124-171-223-11.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1243847746 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1243847875 0 :ais523!i=93bc1b5d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3bc5f4b5f9fc680f JOIN :#esoteric < 1243847950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, wtf is up with the BF Joust scoreboard? < 1243847966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get how defend6 and 7 can be so high up, with defend9 low down < 1243847994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing scoring above 60, which is also rather suspicious < 1243848122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly someone reversed the polarity. and then took the average. < 1243848131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION crawls back under his rock. < 1243848146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that would explain why the points are no longer integers < 1243848162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend9 is meant to be pretty polarity-independent, though < 1243848173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only bit that really cares about polarity is the decoys < 1243848176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, average over tape length < 1243848205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243848214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that should help defend9 even more, it doesn't like excessively short tapes < 1243848219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm a bit surprised at the results < 1243848229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there may still be a bug somewhere... < 1243848454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still using egojoust as the interp? < 1243848488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so, i saw a mention by GregorR-L about wanting to keep the interp part standalone < 1243848491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, most of defend9's losses are to programs I don't recognise < 1243848505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I suspect people have just been attacking it < 1243848892 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly certain there are no bugs. < 1243848901 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interp is still separate, it just returns a more strange integer now :P < 1243848906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the results don't seem to indicate a bug to me < 1243848912 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/SCORES for the new system < 1243848916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they are rather interesting < 1243848941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's rather strange to see two od myprograms that must be almost a week old by now up the top of the leaderboard < 1243848945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*two of my programs < 1243848952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously [-] loops have made a comeback < 1243849637 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wurves that people complain regardless of the changes he makes 8-D < 1243849676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not complaining, just surprised < 1243849683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the changes < 1243849695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but am surprised at how they changed the leaderboard < 1243849720 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet there's a bigger potential audience for BF Joust out there. < 1243849724 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soooomewheeeere < 1243849732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243849743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who never really got into corewar, for instance < 1243849951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: have you sped up egojoust? or will I get shot if I make another version of defend9? < 1243849971 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sped it up since it really killed it. It's not megafast, but it's fine. < 1243849980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243850000 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main problem isn't the base speed, but the sheer number of runs for every configuration, at this point :P < 1243850390 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, and it does expand ({})%, though it doesn't expand ()*, so ({})%10000000 is to be avoided :P ) < 1243850410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egojoust seems buggy on nested ({})% < 1243850419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to replace it with ([)* for defend9 < 1243850434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, there are some negative RLEs due to a bug in my generation script, but I don't think that code often gets run < 1243850971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust speedy0 >>>>>>>>>([-[+++]]>)*20 < 1243850978 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_speedy0: 11.1 < 1243850982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust speedy0 >>>>>>>>>([-[+++]]>)*21 < 1243850990 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_speedy0: 11.5 < 1243851016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust speedy0 >>>>>>>>>([-[+]]>)*21 < 1243851024 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_speedy0: 17.3 < 1243851058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why defend9 loses to that < 1243851307 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I fixed that bug a while ago. < 1243851315 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Or at least I think I did ... the nested ({}) bug that is. < 1243851325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1243851501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1243851561 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c2A97BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243851798 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243851977 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1243852011 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen BFJoust before. Where are the rules? < 1243852134 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF%20Joust < 1243852142 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1243852173 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsurprisingly, we're using the version ais made. < 1243852280 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@c2A97BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243852280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically doing all forms of < 1243852281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inversion should be unnecessary, but they're done for ... "completeness" < 1243852297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: ^ um, you mean "stupidity"? < 1243852306 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1243852310 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243852314 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the ellipses and question mark :P < 1243852314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverting one of them is enough... < 1243852337 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I didn't think about it when I first wrote it, then I went "oh yeah, 128 is 128 away from 0 in either direction" < 1243852350 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm too lazy to change it right now, and it makes no actual difference except time, so *eh* < 1243852381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubling time that is < 1243852426 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2x is irrelevant. < 1243852496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I had to replace it with ([)* for defend9 <-- i thought ([)* was illegal < 1243852521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: do you support ([)* ? < 1243852547 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, although it oughtn't. < 1243852550 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is illegal. < 1243852554 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it works :P < 1243852561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without expansion? < 1243852594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if so you could just turn (a{b}c)%n -> (a)*n b (c)*n < 1243852617 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :()* is expanded if it includes [ or ], ATM. < 1243852622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1243852651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the only reason to have ({})% is because ()* requires balanced []'s < 1243852690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: it wouldn't be bad to allow ([)* if you could do it efficiently < 1243852715 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm only allowing ([) because I'm not handling the situation efficiently in general :P < 1243852723 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1243852826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!info < 1243852826 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is a bot for running programs in esoteric programming languages. If you'd like to add support for your language to EgoBot, check out the source via mercurial at https://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/ < 1243853037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh! the horizontal scrollbar of hg's file browser is stupid! < 1243853056 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1243853090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's _not_ in the visible part of the _window_, i have to scroll the main window to _see_ the inner scrollbar! < 1243853109 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you using some wacko browser? Super-low resolution? < 1243853114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE < 1243853133 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wacko browser. < 1243853142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1243853150 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is not the browser < 1243853159 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is my 1280x800 laptop screen < 1243853174 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My laptop screen is 1280x800, and I have no issues :P < 1243853204 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's only an issue for that one long line in egojoust.c < 1243853237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, two long lines < 1243853272 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, lookie there. < 1243853281 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I adjusted my font, I managed to produce stupiditude. < 1243853299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i like a fairly large font < 1243853304 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, that's fekky. < 1243853307 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eh* < 1243853402 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ate a probably-not-insubstantial part of a mosquito today. < 1243853407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maximizing the window helps too < 1243853414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eew! < 1243853429 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My arm itched but my hands were full, so I instinctively bit to scratch. < 1243853448 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suffice to say that when your arm itches because the mosquito is still there, that's not a good idea. < 1243853465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: i like to keep a small part of the irc window visible under my browser, so i can see if there is activity < 1243853515 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense *shrugs* < 1243853538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: well it's protein! < 1243853560 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tasted mostly like (presumably my own) blood, surprisingly sweet, with a little bit of bitterness. < 1243853602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hi < 1243853607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1243853907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: huh, it looks to me like you have most of the ingredients for doing (balanced) ({})% and ()* without expansion already - you keep a stack of counters < 1243854139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is irritating when you find totally messed up logic in programs you wrote yourself... < 1243854159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is even more irritating when the incorrect logic actually works too. < 1243854369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1243854370 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supported commands: addinterp bf_txtgen bfjoust daemon daemons delinterp fyb help info kill mush userinterps 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch bct befunge befunge98 bf bf16 bf32 bf8 bfbignum boolfuck c chiqrsx9p choo cintercal clcintercal cxx dimensifuck echo forth glass glypho google gregor hello kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge notecho num ook pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor rot13 sadol sceql sh show slashes test trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl yod < 1243854393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: hey, yodawg got cut off! < 1243854501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1243854501 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: bct bfbignum chiqrsx9p choo echo google gregor hello num ook rot13 slashes yodawg < 1243854543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfbignum? < 1243854549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what language is it written < 1243854558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show bfbignum < 1243854559 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf (sending via DCC) < 1243854564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in bf? < 1243854566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243854569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf, clearly < 1243854578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder who made it < 1243854598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:09 =EgoBot> ;; Keymaker's brainfuck interpreter < 1243854598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:09 =EgoBot> ;; a brainfuck interpreter written in brainfuck < 1243854598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:09 =EgoBot> ;; the memory cells can hold any value from zero to infinity < 1243854598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:09 =EgoBot> ;; written by Keymaker < 1243854641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243854652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can they hold actual infinity? ;P < 1243854747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask keymaker < 1243854774 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[+] < 1243854777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help asm < 1243854778 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I have no help for asm! < 1243854784 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRY THAT EGOBOT < 1243854817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfbignum .[+.] < 1243854827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that is dead < 1243854831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfbignum +.[+.] < 1243854831 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1243854854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~€‚ƒ„…†‡ˆ‰Š‹ŒŽ‘’“”•–—˜™š›œžŸ ¡¢£€¥¦§¨©ª«¬­®¯°±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏÐÑÒÓÔÕÖ×ØÙÚÛÜÝÞßàáâãäåæçèéêëìíîïðñòóôõö÷øùúûüýþÿ < 1243854856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1243854862 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: You can do inline ASM in C. < 1243854880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I closed the chat after a while < 1243854887 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's limited to 128K anyway :P < 1243854894 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfbignum +.[+.] < 1243854895 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1243854901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, 128 k output? < 1243854913 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1243854920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that kibibyte or kilobyte? ;P < 1243854930 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kibi < 1243854933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243854938 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kibble-bite. < 1243854952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, how many kilonibbles! < 1243854961 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kibblenibbles? < 1243854972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, kilo < 1243854978 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuity byte < 1243854989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, what < 1243854990 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Owait < 1243854995 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You can do inline ASM in C. < 1243854998 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I directed that wrong :P < 1243855069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!notecho huh? < 1243855070 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1243855076 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show notecho < 1243855077 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a user interpreter! < 1243855081 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243855082 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1243855102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: it was not being a user interpreter that made me wonder... < 1243855122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!notecho Echo! Echo! < 1243855122 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Echo! Echo! < 1243855125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1243855129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo Echo! < 1243855130 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Echo! < 1243855134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1243855134 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hahah < 1243855141 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put that there while I was testing something. < 1243855154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test as well, i assume < 1243855164 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, !echo is a userinterp < 1243855165 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show echo < 1243855166 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf ,[.,] < 1243855167 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show num < 1243855168 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadol !1 < 1243855174 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!num 3+3 < 1243855175 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1243855180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!num 44 < 1243855181 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1243855183 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some good math there. < 1243855188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1243855190 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterp dc sh dc < 1243855194 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 1 + 1 < 1243855201 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was successful. < 1243855212 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I don't have dc installed :P < 1243855215 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp dc < 1243855215 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That interpreter doesn't exist! < 1243855227 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also I added it wrong. < 1243855231 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow I rule. < 1243855239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show show < 1243855240 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a user interpreter! < 1243855250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1243855251 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supported commands: addinterp bf_txtgen bfjoust daemon daemons delinterp fyb help info kill mush userinterps 1l 2l adjust asm axo bc bch bct befunge befunge98 bf bf16 bf32 bf8 bfbignum boolfuck c chiqrsx9p choo cintercal clcintercal cxx dimensifuck echo forth glass glypho google gregor hello kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge num ook pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor rot13 sadol sceql sh show slashes test trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl yodawg < 1243855258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is show listed there < 1243855265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than at the beginning < 1243855303 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's in the hcmds directory *shrugs* < 1243855309 0 :nooga!n=Freya@86-63-124-134.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1243855315 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc 2 * 1000000 < 1243855316 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000000 < 1243855367 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc x=8;y=x;y*2 < 1243855367 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 < 1243855380 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1243855450 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's GNU bc < 1243855517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what about dc... it is a lot easier to use than bc < 1243855547 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone done a program that would try seriously to recognize the opposing program? And briefly set its own flag to 0 just long enough to trick the opponent into stepping out of the array? < 1243855583 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: IMHO any program that took long enough to detect such things would lose while taking that time. < 1243855599 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... you're not Polish, you're Swedish, you're not supposed to like Reverse Polish Notation :P < 1243855607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, but I do! < 1243855615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost as much as prefix notation < 1243855621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc 10/42 < 1243855622 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1243855624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht < 1243855625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what* < 1243855628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't right < 1243855686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc scale=30; 10/42 < 1243855686 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.238095238095238095238095238095 < 1243855714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc scale=30; s(10/42) < 1243855715 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runtime error (func=(main), adr=18): Function s not defined. < 1243855722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc -l scale=30; s(10/42) < 1243855723 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(standard_in) 1: syntax error < 1243855725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1243855730 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was thinking it would start something like >+++[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ < 1243855735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, you should load the math library with -l < 1243855759 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp bc < 1243855760 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter bc deleted. < 1243855763 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp bc sh bc -l < 1243855764 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter bc installed. < 1243855768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc scale=30; s(10/42) < 1243855769 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.235852028768310500148768462188 < 1243855772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc scale=3000; s(10/42) < 1243855776 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as the decoy gets cleared, it jumps immediately to the proper response after the matching ]. < 1243855778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243855781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that takes a bit < 1243855784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc scale=300; s(10/42) < 1243855785 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.2358520287683105001487684621888690261219855174394651629650889653465\ < 1243855802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the line break there < 1243855812 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows :P < 1243855816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess the 3000 decimals one isn't ready yet < 1243855826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, still I want dc ;/ < 1243855840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 2 / p is so much easier to read than 10/2 < 1243855847 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh add it yourself. < 1243855858 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course this assumes you can set up a decoy such that each combination of program, array length, and inversion zeroes it at a slightly different time. Which may not be possible. And of course after a while you suspect that you're dealing with a purely defensive program and then other steps would be required. < 1243855859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, you said it wasn't installed? < 1243855881 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't, then I installed it and bc :P < 1243855885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243855933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, how do the interpreter see end of input < 1243855943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF right? < 1243855947 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1243855947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing strange there? < 1243855953 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1243855954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp dc sh dc < 1243855954 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter dc installed. < 1243855959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 10 2 / p < 1243855960 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1243855963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 10 42 / p < 1243855964 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1243855966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1243855969 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243855998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 200 k 10 42 / p < 1243855999 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.23809523809523809523809523809523809523809523809523809523809523809523\ < 1243856000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bus?" < 1243856006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1243856064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 16o 16p < 1243856065 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 < 1243856067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243856078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, can you do that with bc at all? < 1243856103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(set output radix to 16, thus printing in hexdecimal) < 1243856113 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably *shrugs* < 1243856157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1243856158 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supported commands: addinterp bf_txtgen bfjoust daemon daemons delinterp fyb help info kill mush userinterps 1l 2l adjust asm axo bc bch bct befunge befunge98 bf bf16 bf32 bf8 bfbignum boolfuck c chiqrsx9p choo cintercal clcintercal cxx dc dimensifuck echo forth glass glypho google gregor hello kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge num ook pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor rot13 sadol sceql sh show slashes test trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl yodaw < 1243856166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, you truncated yoda < 1243856168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1243856188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when is the "speak like Yoda" day now again? < 1243856199 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully never? :P < 1243856206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!yoda May the force be with you < 1243856210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1243856213 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243856217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, pretty sure it exists < 1243856219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi < 1243856237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, anyway you need to handle this truncation issue < 1243856268 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, !help is too long and I'm not sure what I want to do about it >_> < 1243856278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1243856289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: output more than one line, maybe? < 1243856299 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, not for !help :( < 1243856303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, display something like "for listing userinterpreters use !whatever", for listing special commands use !whatever < 1243856307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1243856311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a different whatever of course < 1243856321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :splitting it in logical sections < 1243856344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like addinterp daemon daemons delinterp help info kill show in one group < 1243856348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possibly a few others too) < 1243856362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes "userinterps" too < 1243856365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help adjust < 1243856365 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I have no help for adjust! < 1243856368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!adjust what < 1243856374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is adjust < 1243856380 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language, presumably. < 1243856380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, ^ < 1243856382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243856394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, anyway what do you think about the split group thingy? < 1243856430 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With its current form that would be a GIANT pita. < 1243856436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when you get here: you might be interested in the discussion here: http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/05/31/187208/VHDL-or-Verilog-For-Learning-FPGAs?from=rss < 1243856439 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it's probably the best idea :( < 1243856444 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since a lot of these programs have deletion loops ending in ]], there isn't a way to break out of them by setting one's flag to 0 for only one turn, after the loop has been entered. So instead the solution is presumably to keep it in the deletion loop longer by pushing the thing past 0 every time it zeroes it, and in between, going on and working on reducing the enemy flag. < 1243856456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjust is an esolang, I think < 1243856460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: yes < 1243856466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or turning the flag the other way faster < 1243856471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how all my defend-number programs work < 1243856484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, !bfjoust should clearly not be in same group as for example !daemon. Since !daemon is one of those "meta" commands < 1243856505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, from a user viewpoint they are rather different < 1243856506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, dbc, if you are who I think you are, it's an honour to have you in this channel < 1243856520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would dbc bd? < 1243856521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be* < 1243856552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Daniel B Cristofani, one of the world's best Brainfuck programmers < 1243856560 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that be less efficient? I'm thinking IF you actually have the other program identified, then you only need to spend one or two cycles of 256 foiling attempts to zero your flag, and the rest can be used to clear out the other flag? < 1243856564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did I see that name recently... < 1243856564 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's me. Thank you. < 1243856578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes. in the semi-optimised output of LostKing... < 1243856582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: if you have the opponent identified, efficiency doesn't matter any more < 1243856585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the compiler I'm working on) < 1243856598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you don't, reversing the direction sometimes works even if you're approximately right < 1243856616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's very hard to tell loops that work like [---++] from loops that work like [....+] with BF-style observations < 1243856622 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you're right. Premature optimization etc. < 1243856625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first probably needs several cycles foiling attempts to zero < 1243856630 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[If you want to identify opponents, you should be playing FYB instead of BF Joust :P ] < 1243856673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os("\n Daniel B Cristofani (http://www.hevanet.com/cristofd/)\n Jeffry Johnston (http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/)\n Ian Haberkorn (No web site)\n Javri aka Katzy (http://www.nostalgia8.org)\n\nExtra credit goes to:\n Daniel without whom this project would have been so much poorer\n Jeffry without whom this project would not have been possible\n"); < 1243856674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1243856713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also I know that lostkingdom contains an easter egg, I don't know what it is though...: < 1243856715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os("\n\nYou have activated the easter egg"); < 1243856728 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to zleeeep. < 1243856737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you have LostKng's original source? < 1243856737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, fixed help yet? ;P < 1243856752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ... no that is from my optimised compiled C program of lostking < 1243856757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243856762 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The approach I was thinking of, which is of course useless against any new program, is to identify the program and length solely by the exact number of cycles before it zeroes your decoy. < 1243856763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I constant fold output as you know < 1243856781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: with random tape length, you'd need to be a bit more clever than that < 1243856789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or with check-all-tape-lengrhs) < 1243856791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I know < 1243856797 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking check-all. < 1243856811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some programs look identical to such analyses, though < 1243856825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. defend6/7/9 will never zero your decoy at all < 1243856841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor would vibration_fool_faster or jump2, although they've fallen off the hill < 1243856855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many attack programs will start much the same way, so they'd be hard to tell apart < 1243856867 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah...after a certain time you know it's a defensive one and then you do have to do some other check. But then you have time to do so. < 1243856869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, vibration_fool_faster did zero eventually, but after about 10000 cycles) < 1243856923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration_fool_faster >>>++++<----<++++<(-)*127(-+)*5000[[[>[---]+]+]+] < 1243856929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how it would do on the present hill < 1243856931 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_vibration_fool_faster: 12.2 < 1243856939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer is "not very well" < 1243856943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243856948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how times change < 1243856985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration_fool_faster >>>++++<----<++++<(-)*127(-+)*50000 < 1243856989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that isn't vff < 1243856991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just vibration < 1243857002 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_vibration_fool_faster: 10.6 < 1243857019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, no draws < 1243857025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration_fool_faster >>>++++<----<++++<(-)*127.(-+)*50000 < 1243857035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's different, I think I hit a bug in egojoust < 1243857040 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_vibration_fool_faster: 11.3 < 1243857042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1243857054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, loads of draws now < 1243857066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egojoust must count a program as losing if it times out with its flag on 0 < 1243857094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust fool_faster >>>>>>>>>+[[[>[---]+]+]+]+[[[>[---]+]+]+] < 1243857101 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_fool_faster: 4.2 < 1243857109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, that was rubbish < 1243857177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust speedy19 (>)*15([(+)*19[-]]>)*14[[-]][[-]] < 1243857185 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_speedy19: 11.7 < 1243857210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still last, and it loses to the programs it's meant to beat... < 1243857231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust speedy19 (>)*10([(+)*19[-]]>)*19[[-]][[-]] < 1243857238 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_speedy19: 20.8 < 1243857257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, better < 1243857539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not /good/, but I like to have a few speedies up there to get rid of the really slow programs < 1243858483 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dead pixels in the sky." < 1243858928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[-1]+=1; < 1243858928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other code, not using p[-1]) < 1243858930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[-1]+=255; < 1243858933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1243858936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from lostkingdom < 1243858945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a bug in in-between? < 1243858952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does p change in between? < 1243858958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it doesn't < 1243858965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly the use of p[-1] has been optimised out there < 1243858978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you keep rerunning your optimisation templates until none of them match/ < 1243858982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I do in OIL < 1243858982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there were some loops -> polynomial conversion < 1243858993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I keep rerunning all the passes until the tree doesn't change any more < 1243858999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since not all passes are simple matches < 1243859005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for example the constant propagator < 1243859006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243859019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in C-INTERCAL I do constant propagation by pattern matching < 1243859026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I optimise away those two p[-1] accesses now < 1243859039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well constant/copy propagation < 1243859050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[0]=p[2]; < 1243859057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[1]=p[0]; < 1243859063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propagate that copy there < 1243859065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it ends up as < 1243859068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[0]=p[2]; < 1243859070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[1]=p[2]; < 1243859131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway it is done by building a dict with offset as key as I go along. I plan a pass that converts things to dependency graphs and then re-serialises stuff back to the parse tree at the end. < 1243859148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would allow me to do some stuff that is infeasible currently < 1243859189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway currently I'm working on making the shifter handle polynomials fully. So it can sort other instructions relative them. < 1243859204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'd better go off to an exam < 1243859207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1243859212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bye for now, I'll be back later < 1243859213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243859230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, that p[-1] pattern happens quite a few times in lostking < 1243859251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always in code related to output long descriptions it seems < 1243860346 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rewriting a compiler for a BFBasic subset that will cut lostkingdom's length dramatically has been on my to-do list for years. I'm a big procrastinator. < 1243860374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, you have the original source? < 1243860377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1243860462 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably somewhere. < 1243860478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current lostkingdom in bf contains some dead loops btw. < 1243860486 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not surprised. < 1243860490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243860532 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was guessing I could cut the length in half, at least. < 1243860546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is however rather easy to optimise it, while something like that mandelbrot.b program (hand written iirc) is a lot harder to optimise. < 1243860572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every [-] is gold worth for an optimising BF->anything compiler ;P < 1243860679 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what target are you considering for "anything"? ;) < 1243860696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, anything but outputting again to bf? ;P < 1243860706 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1243860716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf-to-bf optimiser could do a lot of stuff on lostkingdom though... < 1243860757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, any idea why LostKng.b starts with this rather silly BF code: [-][.] < 1243860761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243860781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it it some sort of sanity test for the compiler/interpreter? < 1243860823 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's meant to say "This code produced with BFBASIC" :) < 1243860839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1243860900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be interesting to get character frequency for lostking. I suspect that < and > would be the most common ones... < 1243860987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(while read -r -n 1 ch; do echo $ch; done < examples/LostKng.b) | sort -n | uniq -c < 1243860989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits < 1243861002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far from the fastest way to do it... < 1243861073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1443451 < 1243861075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the results < 1243861081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why there is a @ there... < 1243861091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those blanks are probably newlines < 1243861136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and interesting. Overall the program is balanced it seemd < 1243861137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems* < 1243861170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not in any useful for optimising sense) < 1243861188 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what sense then? < 1243861201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same number of > and < in the program < 1243861218 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Are there the same number of > and < within matched [] also? < 1243861223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1243861228 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't think so. < 1243861231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why it isn't useful to optimising :P < 1243861232 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be odd. < 1243861250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, a bit odd that the total count match up still... < 1243861330 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that odd. The more straightforward things to navigate variable-sized data structures tend to balance, and then if BFBASIC decided to leave the pointer back at point 0 for some reason...which wouldn't be that surprising, though useless... < 1243861359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell there are no dead <<<<< at the end of the program < 1243861378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe there is, but not easily detectable from a quick glance < 1243861446 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243861462 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're not totally dead. I don't remember how the whole goto thing was implemented but maybe it actually looks at cell 0. < 1243861547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243861571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, have you seen that gcc-bf thing ais523 is working on? BF backend for GCC. < 1243861583 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't. < 1243861584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think it is uploaded anywhere atm (due to hosting issues) < 1243861593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it produces even more verbose code. < 1243861600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a simple hello world < 1243861636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(due to stdio brining in atexit, which used malloc iirc) < 1243861687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a special run length encoding of bf, it is 434K. I haven't seen it fully expanded... Don't think it would be a good idea to try to fully expand it :D < 1243861717 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243861776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/hworld1.bfrle < 1243861784 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Von Neumann's self-reproducing automaton, or the number that's the subject of Gödel's theorem, or... :) < 1243861788 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's not a good idea, look at this: < 1243861789 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(code starts here) < 1243861789 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<*12897+*7 < 1243861791 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1243861792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*44 means "the previous instruction 44 times < 1243861800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, yeah indeed < 1243861811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code before that is just setup of tape < 1243861819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to set every third cell to 1 < 1243861821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other stuff < 1243861922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I wonder what "(%999999999 Assertion error)" is there for < 1243861962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, hm... >*393216 < 1243861970 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, < 1243861983 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it contains the whole C standard library? < 1243861989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, not the whole < 1243861991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some modules < 1243861996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdio, atexit, malloc < 1243862001 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :necessary one, of course. < 1243862027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be debated < 1243862061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>*12883[-<*12889+>*6+>*12883] <*12883[->*12883+<*12883] >*12889 < 1243862062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1243862071 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, < 1243862094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, it isn't hot on locality of reference I guess ;P < 1243862131 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i discovered this source code while uncovering old hard disk: http://hg.mearie.org/esotope/ws/raw-file/51fb8e8aed54/esotope-ws < 1243862143 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, why did i write that code? -_- < 1243862165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, and why in that shape? < 1243862181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, those are some HUGE eyebrows? < 1243862200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they antennas? < 1243862209 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's Tsukamoto Tenma, some random female anime character. < 1243862214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1243862228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, is that really valid python? < 1243862232 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1243862240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, what about indention... < 1243862247 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole source code is in the single, concatenated line. < 1243862261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you unpack it somehow? < 1243862265 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243862281 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i cannot understand me 5 years ago still... maybe i had too much spare time. < 1243863092 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-31-231.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1243864021 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1243865374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, do you think it is a good idea to unroll ALL repeat loops? < 1243865392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently I only do it for ones containing only set, add and such < 1243865394 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: all? < 1243865415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, repeat loops in mode code are loops with known iteration count, and known balanced. < 1243865422 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it should unroll MORE loops than now, but not ALL. < 1243865423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/mode/my < 1243865441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, which ones shouldn't be unrolled then? < 1243865492 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm not sure; but if the unrolling requires a solution of linear recurrence equation, it would go certainly wrong. < 1243865506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, hum? < 1243865529 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for example, some loop can try to generate 1000th fibonacci number.) < 1243865563 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: int i; for (i = 0; i < 1000; ++i) { p[3] = p[5]; p[5] += p[4]; p[4] = p[3]; } to name a few. < 1243865570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, Since iteration count is constant, repeat loop is balanced, and unrolling means "duplicate body of loop iteration count times, then insert" it wouldn't generate broken code. < 1243865585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, so an upper limit on iteration count rather? < 1243865592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, what limit < 1243865599 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1243865671 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that if there is no code optimized via unrolling, do not unroll. < 1243865673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, also, if it only contains sets and adds (but no copies or set_from), unrolling it always will be a gain. Since those will constant fold to pretty much the length of the loop body soon after. < 1243865697 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243865703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I wouldn't know that until much later < 1243865711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, for comparing "did I gain something" < 1243866854 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243866869 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the loop end condition is trivial enough then you can always gain because you can get rid of the branch instruction in between each run of the loop < 1243867081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : when is the "speak like Yoda" day now again? < 1243867084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May 21 < 1243867096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mercifully avoid it, you did < 1243867125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.talklikeyoda.com/ < 1243867158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is surprised it is not Like Yoda Talk Day. or something. < 1243867165 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-123.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243867236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, good point! < 1243867272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i recall reading somewhere that yoda actually only mangled a small fraction of his sentences. < 1243867502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show help < 1243867503 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a user interpreter! < 1243867556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, btw I solved that "back end independent output while retaining abstraction bit" for polynomials by a fold-like function < 1243867582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that takes a fun and gives it a stream of tokens. < 1243867599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is "not really fold, but I can't find a good name for it" < 1243867619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, how did you solve it for your expressions? < 1243867646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(full expressions are a lot messier to work with than simple polynomials..) < 1243868673 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not yet. maybe i'll add some visitor later. < 1243868683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, hm I called mine "walker" < 1243868699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see the logic behind the name visitor < 1243868864 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: essentially same, but not implemented yet < 1243868887 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think the name visitor is more popular in java, due to its use in visitor pattern < 1243868911 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: i don't like patterns in java, and don't like java mostly < 1243868950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to work out why this didn't swap: p[1]+=255; o(-42); < 1243868969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no dependency between changing offset 1 and outputting offset -42... < 1243869120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, and I'm not sure what I'm doing is a "design pattern"... < 1243869126 0 :impomatic!n=John@217.171.129.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243869145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just common idiom for functional languages... Which I guess boils down to something similar... < 1243869156 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1243869192 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been camping for three days. Any new techniques for BF Joust while I've been gone? Or more of the same? < 1243869229 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243869314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: int i; for (i = 0; i < 1000; ++i) { p[3] = p[5]; p[5] += p[4]; p[4] = p[3]; } to name a few. < 1243869333 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be nicely optimizable with some matrix multiplication, i think :D < 1243869343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I see. < 1243869354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, tell me more? < 1243869355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1243869367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what would the output code be < 1243869385 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: each iteration is essentially multiplying the vector (p[3], p[4], p[5]) by a matrix < 1243869392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh? < 1243869399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1243869407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, tell me what the generated C code would be < 1243869436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the matrix power could be constant folded < 1243869473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something of the form < 1243869529 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p3 = M33*p[3]+M34*p[4]+M35*p[5]; p4 = ...; p5 = ...; p[3] = p3; p[4] = p4; p[5] = p5 < 1243869544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I would constant fold that if I unrolled it anyway. < 1243869550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the M33 - M55 constants all are 0..255, in modulo arithmetic < 1243869564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for two iterations: p[3] = p[5]; p[5] += p[4]; p[4] = p[3]; p[3] = p[5]; p[5] += p[4]; p[4] = p[3]; would turn into... < 1243869575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: indeed, but exponentiation can be done faster than iterated multiplication < 1243869590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you would get the same result but faster < 1243869608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, mhm < 1243869633 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can calculate M^2, M^4, ..., M^512 matrices and then multiply those < 1243869639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243869648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well, my compiler is slow enough anyway ;P < 1243869663 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1243869729 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243869928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's IWC seems fine... < 1243870018 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems like the universe might be settling down again after the recreation... < 1243870085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the degree that having balrogs running around can be considered "settling down" < 1243870114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1243870119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I read it a few hours ago < 1243870128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally < 1243870222 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243870245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, Lightning Made of Owls has _not_ updated... < 1243870252 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243870264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: all just couldn't be right, could it < 1243870288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't real that one < 1243870305 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1243870307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read* < 1243870310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I didn't notice it < 1243870424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :square root of minus garfield contains a math error today... < 1243870440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the title doesn't match the description, because of misplaced parenthesis. < 1243870455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1243870483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be (Minus (Garfield Squared)) < 1243870501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243870562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, odd no one has done anything based on that NESfield thingy < 1243870571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see some more of that < 1243870581 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what was that again < 1243870590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the archive and look for NESfield < 1243870637 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1243870674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the license on that one is rather dubious... < 1243870733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an actual parody, just sprites presented for later parody, and they are presumably all copyrighted < 1243870782 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although an _actual_ parody based on those might be fine < 1243870844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess the license doesn't apply anyway since it says "original aspects" < 1243871034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1243871383 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243872122 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-14-154.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1243872266 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243872307 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-123.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243872384 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243872939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1243872946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1243873082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243873178 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243873381 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243873585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm reworking option handling. Now it shouldn't be as hard to run in_between on gccbfrle < 1243873596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not easy but working on that < 1243873600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243874206 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243874372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the genome just a bad, ad-hoc, genetically evolved programming language? :) < 1243874380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:27 psygnisfive: man. ehird needs to get fucked ← legal issues there < 1243874497 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243874644 0 :darthnuri!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243874719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, yes. < 1243874955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:25 AnMaster: GregorR, what about dc... it is a lot easier to use than bc ← you're joking < 1243874965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:25 dbc: Has anyone done a program that would try seriously to recognize the opposing program? And briefly set its own flag to 0 just long enough to trick the opponent into stepping out of the array? ←yes < 1243874967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not < 1243874989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 200k 1 3/P < 1243874999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 200k 1 3 / p < 1243875000 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333\ < 1243875001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243875003 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You just need to use an HP calculator. < 1243875005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1243875010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tthat seems buggy! < 1243875013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 20k 1 3 / p < 1243875013 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.33333333333333333333 < 1243875016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 20k 1 3 /P < 1243875018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 20k 1 3 / P < 1243875030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P != p... < 1243875033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah indeed < 1243875054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243875055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P doesn't print a newline. < 1243875057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:41 ais523: also, dbc, if you are who I think you are, it's an honour to have you in this channel ← he's been in here for years constantly < 1243875063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also doesn't it print as ascii? < 1243875078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 10 98 P P < 1243875078 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1243875080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243875126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1243875219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:15 lifthrasiir: i discovered this source code while uncovering old hard disk: http://hg.mearie.org/esotope/ws/raw-file/51fb8e8aed54/esotope-ws ← i am sure I have seen this before < 1243875226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe just something similar < 1243875284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:12 AnMaster: just common idiom for functional languages... Which I guess boils down to something similar... < 1243875287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiom=design pattern < 1243875317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure. But "design pattern" sounds like some enterprisy OOP thing... :P < 1243875355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because it is < 1243875378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: although it's more like design pattern subset-of idioms < 1243875390 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer has been in here for years constantly. I've been here only intermittently. :) < 1243875391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? < 1243875397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't become as ridiculous until recently btw. ward cunningham and martin fowler have done non-crackhead design patterns stuff < 1243875411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: In software engineering, a design pattern is a general reusable solution to a commonly occurring problem in software design. A design pattern is not a finished design that can be transformed directly into code. It is a description or template for how to solve a problem that can be used in many different situations. Object-oriented design patterns typically show relationships and interactions between classes or objects, without specifying the fi < 1243875414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nal application classes or objects that are involved. < 1243875418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idioms are patterns in the language code itself < 1243875424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :design patterns are patterns in how the code operates < 1243875428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243875444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they partly overlap < 1243875449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243875451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but != < 1243875505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:56 dbc: My computer has been in here for years constantly. I've been here only intermittently. :) ← computer, you, what's the difference < 1243875516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ / / god I'm paranoid about whitespace < 1243875539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where was that extra whitespace? < 1243875539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that slashdot story has emacs as a tag < 1243875542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous < 1243875543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: before ← < 1243875546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243875565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether to remove defend6 from the rankings < 1243875565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it's almost the same as defend7) < 1243875568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Or is this an eternal, undecidable holy-war question along the lines of ATI/nVidia, AMD/Intel, Coke/Pepsi" < 1243875574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he managed to put all the correct ones second < 1243875575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1243875585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, Emacs is one of the only sane ways to edit VHDL < 1243875588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1243875589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, when you get here: you might be interested in the discussion here: http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/05/31/187208/VHDL-or-Verilog-For-Learning-FPGAs?from=rss < 1243875590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1243875590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because VHDL has so much boilerplate < 1243875593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1243875599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs' VHDL-mode fills the boilerplate in for you < 1243875602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think i prefer verilog < 1243875604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason that link says "connection reset by server" when I try it < 1243875608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a language you hack on in vi < 1243875611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(real vi) < 1243875612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda like its RPM-mode? < 1243875628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ curl 'http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/05/31/187208/VHDL-or-Verilog-For-Learning-FPGAs?from=rss' < 1243875628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl: (56) Failure when receiving data from the peer < 1243875629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1243875630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the difference to me seems to be that VHDL is very strict and quadruple-checky, Verilog hand-waves if you write something nonsensical < 1243875631 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Real men use ed. < 1243875631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth? < 1243875640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And implement Vi in it. < 1243875647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main slashdot works < 1243875665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does http://ask.slashdot.org/ < 1243875675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not that full link, or clicking on the article < 1243875676 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243875680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /me mumbles something about real men < 1243875681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone has any idea why? < 1243875684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ehird ^ < 1243875686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Slashdot has gone all Web 2.0 Javascript < 1243875689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your internet sux < 1243875692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the fallback to pure HTML mostly works < 1243875695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ridiculous excuse < 1243875697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his internet always breaks < 1243875699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially dns < 1243875703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, dns isn't broken here < 1243875704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://imgur.com/zhnig.png < 1243875707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read what I said < 1243875708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1243875715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pinnacle of rendering of the pinnacle of diacritics technology < 1243875716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I know that < 1243875720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm saying that your DNS breaks often < 1243875727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, dns only broke twice or so the last year < 1243875730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is often < 1243875737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever; you often say links don't work for you. < 1243875741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for lycos.fr in both cases < 1243875749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure. But mostly not due to dns < 1243875756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seemed like it < 1243875803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Minor failure. < 1243875805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/31/187208 <-- that link works for the same thing < 1243875814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess what ais523 said was the issue < 1243875816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ı should be centered. :p < 1243875823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wut < 1243875825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1243875829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's a font issue < 1243875834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can render it in Helvetica if you want < 1243875842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh. < 1243875900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if I do it on one line, it's three dots, bar, circle. If I had more newlines before, more stuff appears < 1243875910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1243875934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://imgur.com/iMicG.png < 1243875939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy with a 100dpi LCD display. < 1243875943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so which is best, verilog or vhdl? < 1243875952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which is best, C or Erlang? < 1243875956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks about right. < 1243875957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243875965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah, is it that type of question < 1243875981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than "which is best, C or C++" < 1243875981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL if you want to be damn sure nothing went wrong at all < 1243875985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verilog if you actually want to get shit done < 1243875986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume < 1243875991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but most likely? < 1243875997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1243875999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Whatever your institute has an okay compiler for. < 1243876004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1243876009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're rich and can afford one yourself. < 1243876107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. < 1243876113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A resolution with exactly 120 dpi at 12". < 1243876117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1152x864 < 1243876149 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243876168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 12" makes me think more in the terms of "800x600" < 1243876175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Laptop. < 1243876178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which my old first model ibook was) < 1243876179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1243876191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, well, 800x600 is kind of unusable. < 1243876204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my ibook was iirc 12" (or 12.5"?) and resolution was 800x600 < 1243876207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was back in 2001 or so < 1243876211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2001? < 1243876213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit small for 2001. < 1243876217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 2000? 2001? < 1243876218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so, OS X then? < 1243876220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1243876223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X isn't happy with 800x600, really < 1243876224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. It was OS 9 < 1243876227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1243876227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah < 1243876228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS 8 < 1243876229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1243876230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1243876235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, OS X didn't exist back then < 1243876238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err < 1243876240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was 8.1 < 1243876240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os x came out in 2001. < 1243876244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :public beta in 2000 < 1243876249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you bought an ibook in 2000, it was os 9. < 1243876257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll look it up on infallopedia, anyway < 1243876279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it might have been late 1999 even. Depends on when the first ibook was released. < 1243876288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jul 21 99 < 1243876289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it was pretty soon after the first one was released < 1243876292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discontinued may 1 01 < 1243876295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few months iirc < 1243876304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, then probably late 1999 or early 2000 < 1243876308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mac os 9 = oct 23 99 < 1243876313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you almost certainly had os 9... < 1243876325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have the CD here... says 8.5 on it < 1243876329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1243876333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be an old one that wasn't sold < 1243876366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that is the wrong computer. The ibook one is 8.6 in fact. the 8.5 cd is from another old mac < 1243876368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1243876373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 1152x864 is a great resolution < 1243876578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys. Scientific facts. < 1243876655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets nostalgic and boots the old ibook < 1243876664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it still works... < 1243876666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1243876668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster? Liking some sort of mac? < 1243876669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some values of work < 1243876670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unpossible! < 1243876679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 3.4 GB harddrive < 1243876680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1243876681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.2 < 1243876681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1243876695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I went something → 10GB → 80GB < 1243876701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and glitches in power connector, dead battery < 1243876707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(→ 500GB although that was just for media, w/ 80GB for OS) < 1243876714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(→ 160GB in imac) < 1243876718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "very still tabletop" nowdays < 1243876720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TIME MACHINE WHOOSH → 160GB/1TB) < 1243876725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 32 MB RAM! < 1243876725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, this HD is 230GB < 1243876726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sth < 1243876744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy mac displayed < 1243876745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'd like to see that try and boot os x < 1243876755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't have any OS X CD < 1243876766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do :-P < 1243876771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and it could probably boot OS X 10.0 or so < 1243876775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE 10.1 < 1243876776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1243876782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot :P < 1243876795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what processor is it? < 1243876810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, G3... let me wait for it to boot so I can check details < 1243876826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a g3 imac for a few days (i broke the optical drive so it won't boot an install cd and had previously fucked up the OS on it, kekekeke) < 1243876832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :233mhz proc or something < 1243876832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibook I said < 1243876837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16MB of ram or something? < 1243876846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243876846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hd was upgraded to 4gb i think < 1243876853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems clock battery is dead < 1243876854 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243876864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it complains clock is at 1904 < 1243876877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is fucking loud < 1243876881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is it? < 1243876885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like the harddrive is half dead < 1243876886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1243876889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think of laptops as loud they're so small :D < 1243876900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have an old beige powermac running os 8 or 9 in the corner collecting dust < 1243876902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god that thing's loud < 1243876904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't hear yourself think < 1243876906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, very loud and high pitched < 1243876917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, same for this < 1243876921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be much quietet < 1243876925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quieter < 1243876932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably something half-broken < 1243876944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 300 MHz < 1243876953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checked in "Apple Systeminformation" < 1243876990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should wire up my power mac and g3 < 1243876998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get back that really old ~486 i had < 1243877003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put plan9 on them < 1243877006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISTRIBUTED COMPUTATION NETWORK < 1243877012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethernet connected < 1243877014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1243877016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see what happen < 1243877019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens* < 1243877020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how you do a plan 9 cpu server < 1243877022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm. Not a lot < 1243877039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ? < 1243877048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh it got an IP finally < 1243877050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was slow < 1243877052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1243877054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thougth you meant < 1243877060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connect my machines with ethernet < 1243877060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243877068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this won't work when everything goes IPv6 in 2050 or so :P < 1243877068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does it have IE or netscape? < 1243877076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, IE 5 probably < 1243877083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE 5 for the mac was sort of okay < 1243877085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I upgraded it to OS 9 later. < 1243877089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :separate codebase from windows ie < 1243877094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 9.1 now < 1243877135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, IE 5.1 < 1243877150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah. It actually had rendering vaguely close to that specified by the standard. < 1243877163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IMac_G3_flavors.jpg ← Flower Power is totally trippy. < 1243877168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ah, Plan9. < 1243877181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was gonna buy an old imac way back then I'd have got a graphite or snow one since I'm soooooooo boring < 1243877324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think this *ibook* is "bondi blue" < 1243877355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this colouring: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IBook_redjar.jpg < 1243877360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and model < 1243877376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh < 1243877429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah yes it is the harddrive that is making the sound < 1243877438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KRRRRRRRR KRRRRRRRRRRRRRR < 1243877439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it just put the harddrive into sleep it stopped the sound < 1243877449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, more like: < 1243877451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM AN UNRELIABLE, SLOW DISK HERE ME ROAR < 1243877452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME < 1243877455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NE* < 1243877469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :constantly < 1243877491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1243877498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are pro-letting-society-kill-babies-without-lying-about-it-for-the-greater-good then you are in my camp, welcome. < 1243877499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1243877501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong quote < 1243877503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from reddit troll) < 1243877506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I meant to paste was: < 1243877508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of the reason is that Verilog, being much like C, is inherently procedural. You don't want to think procedurally with digital logic except for the specific case of state machine design, and even then you have to take into account concurrency. It is this fundamental aspect of concurrency in HDLs that is key to being able to design effectively. < 1243877511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is this true? < 1243877534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL/Verilog must not be written in a procedural way for actually generating code < 1243877546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verilog was originally designed for verification, where procedural code is fine < 1243877549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1243877561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for synthesizing/compiling rather than verifying, writing in a procedural way will give you a mess < 1243877573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only procedural structures that work are if and for, and they're both unrolled < 1243877623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "verifying" how? < 1243877646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Verilog was originally designed for writing testsuites for hardware circuitry < 1243877653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas VHDL was designed for generating it < 1243877660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they've both stolen all the features of the other < 1243877664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nowadays, either can do either < 1243877666 0 :trainman419!n=trainman@pcp059390pcs.wireless.calpoly.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1243877670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok... how would verilog for testing vhdl generated hardware work? < 1243877673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean < 1243877684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can use VHDL/Verilog to describe how hardware behaves < 1243877689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Verilog for testing hardware. In general. < 1243877701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most high-end synthesis tools will produce a Verilog/VHDL version of the hardware they've produced < 1243877703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243877708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, this involves compiling VHDL to VHDL sometimes) < 1243877710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243877719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then you can run that in a simulator to test it? < 1243877720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1243877729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and the simulator would also be written in VHDL/Verilog < 1243877740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I thought you meant "using verilog for generating hardware that test other hardware" < 1243877743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1243877743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or nowadays, possibly SystemC, which is simulation only < 1243877755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, the simulator uses different parts of the language < 1243877757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, and the simulator would also be written in VHDL/Verilog <-- err? < 1243877763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... < 1243877767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: suppose you want to simulate VHDL code < 1243877771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243877773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write a testbench in VHDL < 1243877779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and simulate the testbench + code combination < 1243877787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the testbench can even throw errors when unexpected things happen < 1243877787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a self-interpreter? < 1243877790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pipe output to a file < 1243877793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not a self-interp < 1243877795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like yuk < 1243877797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it links into the program < 1243877812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok. So what bit runs the othermore simulator layer? < 1243877816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outermost* < 1243877828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you compile or interpret the VHDL < 1243877836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either you compile it and run the machine code, that's simulation < 1243877838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YO DAWG < 1243877843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you interpret the VHDL, that's simulation < 1243877846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I herd u liek testing hardware < 1243877853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I put a simulator in your hardware language < 1243877857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can simulate while you simulate < 1243877860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bows < 1243877864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL is incredibly yo dawg, yes < 1243877878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not unknown to have five versions of the same program, all written in VHDL < 1243877883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the first was compiled into the second by hand < 1243877884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1243877891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was compiled into the third/fourth/fifth automatically < 1243877895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs' viper-mode is very weird. < 1243877904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's kind of rubbish < 1243877906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Why are you using it? < 1243877910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just steals a few basic key combinations < 1243877914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the essence of vi < 1243877916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the important bit < 1243877917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like: I herd u liek editing so I put an editor in your editor so you can edit while you edit. < 1243877923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the former follows the latter naturally < 1243877927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What, you think I'd *use* it? < 1243877930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fifth version would be a very low-level description of the hardware that would be produced < 1243877933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with timing, and everything < 1243877950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I assumed you tried it since you were commenting on it... < 1243877954 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, if I'm going to use a Vi-like, I'll just start up Vim. < 1243877962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saying it's very weird. < 1243877976 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243877982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Start up Vim in terminal-mode. :p < 1243878013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, viper is Emacs advantages (modes, etc), with vi's controls < 1243878037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The two don't integrate very well. < 1243878050 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, and they're vi's, not vim's. < 1243878058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243878132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:39 AnMaster: pikhq, I assumed you tried it since you were commenting on it... < 1243878136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mentioned yo dawg, so. < 1243878148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:40 ais523: well, viper is Emacs advantages (modes, etc), with vi's controls ← but vi's controls aren't important to the philosophy! < 1243878156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1243878156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you start with vi's philosophy, you'll derive vi's controls < 1243878162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :viper-mode is Emacs' philosophy, but vi's controls < 1243878162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the other way around < 1243878165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, " i mentioned yo dawg, so." <-- was that directed to me? If so what do you mean. < 1243878167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably that's why it hasn't caught on < 1243878169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but nobody wants that! < 1243878176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pikhq said viper was yo-dawg < 1243878179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after me saying something else was < 1243878183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming that's why < 1243878240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sane assumption. < 1243878825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting fact about this ibook... < 1243878842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you are downloading something, don't do anything else... even moving the mouse slows down the download < 1243878858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by about 10 kbps < 1243878864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is it a network mouse? < 1243878870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from 141 to 131 kbps) < 1243878876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, touch pad < 1243878881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1243878894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not entirely sure network mice exist < 1243878903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I wouldn't be surprised if someone had invented them by now < 1243878905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I never heard of it before < 1243878928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, network keyboard? < 1243878934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha, someone on a torrent site comments thing on a comment told someone obviously using a mac to delete hal.dll (vital windows dll) < 1243878937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolling fail < 1243878965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, hal is quite an important component of Linux too < 1243878968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naming coincidence? < 1243878970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243878971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it wouldn't be a dll in Windows) < 1243878973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1243878974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Linux < 1243878986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : strange, hal is quite an important component of Linux too <-- no? < 1243878997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not system criticial < 1243878999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most distros use hal/hald nowadays < 1243879008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's like saying a screen isn't system-critical < 1243879010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but it isn't system critical actually < 1243879014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't, but most users want one anyway < 1243879022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaah i love chiptunes < 1243879037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: x isn't system-critical either < 1243879045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still an important component of a linux system < 1243879050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, system critical: init, libc, kernel, + whatever is needed to get you to a rescue shell < 1243879059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubbish definition < 1243879067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying that users wouldn't want to keep it. < 1243879070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: libc? < 1243879071 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243879083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't rescue shells statically-linked? < 1243879098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they are. But I don't think init is < 1243879100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1243879110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :init is dynamically linked < 1243879113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: init isn't system-critical anyway < 1243879119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you could do init=/bin/bb in grub < 1243879121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use any program you like as an init, via a boot option < 1243879123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using bash works fine < 1243879124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243879331 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: only if it was someone who is of age! < 1243879339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperDrive#Floppy_disk_drive < 1243879341 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243879349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Erm, no. < 1243879354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sex between two minors is illegal in the UK. < 1243879358 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? wow. < 1243879359 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1243879367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. There's been prosecutions on it. < 1243879384 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats pretty funny < 1243879433 0 :whtspc!n=chatzill@c115216.upc-c.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1243879440 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1243880301 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243881064 0 :trainman419!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1243881629 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243881730 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243881753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Britain’s Supreme Court of Judicature has answered a question that has long puzzled late-night dorm-room snackers: What, exactly, is a Pringle? With citations ranging from Baroness Hale of Richmond to Oliver Wendell Holmes, Lord Justice Robin Jacob concluded that, legally, it is a potato chip." < 1243881759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potatoless potato chip. < 1243881800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it matter? tax reasons? < 1243881803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting that it would be called a potato chip in Britain, given that they're crisps over there. :p < 1243881827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they are < 1243881827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep < 1243881832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/opinion/01mon4.html?_r=1 < 1243881833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we're aware of American names for things too < 1243881845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the most irritating thing is that you call chips fries and crisps chips < 1243881874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm eating chips." "Mm, potato." "Yeah, I love potato. These are Bacon flavored." "...wait, what?" < 1243881897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um? tax reasons!? < 1243881901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a Pringle is “made from potato flour in the sense that one cannot say that it is not made from potato flour, and the proportion of potato flour is significant being over 40 percent.”" < 1243881903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1243881914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tax on different products is at different rates < 1243881915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean it is discountable, like for charities in US? < 1243881918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is a good time to make a quote: < 1243881918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243881921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Why, according to Moore, is 'good' like 'yellow' and not like a 'horse'?]] < 1243881922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for VAT < 1243881924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1243881926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most food is exempt, but crisps aren't. < 1243881927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243881930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, import duty < 1243881935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it's VAT that matters here < 1243881939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did the tax go up or down now? < 1243881947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record, the answer is that good and yellow are irreducible concepts while a horse is not. < 1243881950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: up < 1243881956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: $160mil < 1243881957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the article < 1243881969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that when I needed to import some processors from the US, we had to prove they didn't have a calculator function < 1243881974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, says I must log in < 1243881976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get a much lower import duty rate < 1243881981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: open in a different browser then < 1243881983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Konq works fine < 1243881988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it does that sometimes < 1243881990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... Didn't have a calculator function? < 1243881991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: use bugmenot/bugmenot < 1243881991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm using konq < 1243881992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243881999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm, that one may be disabled < 1243882001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme look it up < 1243882005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well it isn't asking me to log in < 1243882013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it sometimes does < 1243882016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bait-'n-switch < 1243882017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bugmenot.com/view/nytimes.com < 1243882022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: random, I wonder? < 1243882027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wow at that bugmenot feature < 1243882027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: regisblows/whywhywhy < 1243882032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what feature? < 1243882034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1243882034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bugmenot.com < 1243882037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed the URL was an auto-login < 1243882041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using one of the bugmenot accounts < 1243882046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1243882049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't, it's just giving you the username/password pair < 1243882050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual < 1243882056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know about bugmenot, and have used it on occasion) < 1243882060 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-075-182.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1243882062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's a firefox extension < 1243882064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although normally I just avoid websites with stupid login requirements) < 1243882069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you right click the user name field and hit bug me not < 1243882070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it submits the form < 1243882071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1243882076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe it doesn't like that I disable cookies... < 1243882080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He was even more dismissive of Procter & Gamble’s argument that to be taxable a product must contain enough potato to have the quality of “potatoness.” This “Aristotelian question” of whether a product has the “essence of potato,” he insisted, simply cannot be answered." < 1243882082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nothing to do with that, I imagine < 1243882088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, since login doesn't work < 1243882093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: enable cookies, then < 1243882100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a pain < 1243882100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what affect disabling cookies would have on Phorm < 1243882105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*effect < 1243882110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: phorm use a complicated redirect scheme < 1243882112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cookies < 1243882115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just every page redirects to another < 1243882116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite < 1243882118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which redirects to another < 1243882118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I suppose next they'll start mentioning quales? < 1243882120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad infinitum < 1243882121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use a complicated redirect scheme /and/ cookies < 1243882134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essence of potato < 1243882137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like vanilla essence < 1243882140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except yuk < 1243882153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's qualia, you uncultured swine. < 1243882171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[flu[ < 1243882173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1243882174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's retarded, you cultured bourgeoise. < 1243882192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Your mom, proletarian. < 1243882216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The inverted spectrum thought experiment, originally developed by John Locke[6] invites us to imagine that we wake up one morning, and find that for some unknown reason all the colors in the world have been inverted. Furthermore, we discover that no physical changes have occurred in our brains or bodies that would explain this phenomenon. Supporters of the existence of qualia argue that, since we can imagine this happening without contradiction]] < 1243882220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's such a retarded argument < 1243882226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can imagine a world where pigs fly without contradiction < 1243882232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean it's true < 1243882279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm... if all colours were inverted, how would we know they'd been inverted? < 1243882294 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-172.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1243882296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because yesterday we saw something as red and now it's green etc? < 1243882302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have thought that'd be pretty obvious < 1243882308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are red and green defined, though? < 1243882308 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The grass outside being red would make it rather obvious < 1243882314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: qualia < 1243882315 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Via the qualia < 1243882317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia < 1243882321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you'd need to use a prism or something to actually measure it < 1243882322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the base of the whole argument < 1243882326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unmeasurable < 1243882329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about consciousness < 1243882337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, colour is measurable, so it's a bad analogy < 1243882347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cf colourblind people < 1243882353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can measure colour all they want < 1243882357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean they can perceive their qualia < 1243882375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everyone percieves colour differently anyway < 1243882390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you sure about that? < 1243882394 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: prove it :D < 1243882400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I find that idea highly questionable < 1243882409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because nobody has identical cone pigments, nor connections from the retina to the brain < 1243882422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, you mean infinitesimally different < 1243882424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243882430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sometimes it's more than infinitesimal < 1243882441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find pairs of people where it's infinitesimal, and pairs where it's quite large < 1243882448 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i enjoy the fact that a number of the anti-qualia people are well know, while the pro-qualia people are /completely/ random nobodies < 1243882448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is where the concept of red/brown colourblindness comes from < 1243882473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My view of consciousness is it's the byproduct of the brain's mechanical thought process < 1243882484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't explain what it actually *is*, but it explains what causes it. < 1243882516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also believe that "death" is relative; you a second ago is dead, but our consciousness tries very hard to give a continuous experience. Go fig) < 1243882541 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think consciousness is the brains ability to include amongst its data-to-process the current state of its data-to-process < 1243882561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I am talking about the subjective, personal experience of consciousness < 1243882563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not its effects < 1243882568 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so am i. < 1243882574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe that consciousnesses are created, destroyed or anything < 1243882587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just believe a conscio is a byproduct of our brain thinking < 1243882598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and consciousness is just the perceieved-as-continuous stream of conscios < 1243882605 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that the experience of consciousness is precisely the experience of being aware of the fact that youre aware of what you're aware of. < 1243882616 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing that you know what you know, etc. < 1243882641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: right; I'm not saying what the consciousness actually is, your theory is compatible < 1243882647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying how I think it comes by < 1243882662 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, well. < 1243882668 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever read dennett? < 1243882677 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consciousness explained discusses some interesting things < 1243882680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, dennett appears to be a quack :) < 1243882682 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the cutaneous rabbit < 1243882693 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dennett is far from a quack. < 1243882705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about that, I've heard some convincing arguments otherwise < 1243882721 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never rely on others opinions of a person < 1243882728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not opinion < 1243882729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argument < 1243882729 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're often colored by misunderstanding or stupid. < 1243882739 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argument without two sides is opinion. < 1243882771 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless youve actually read dennett, or seen him talk, or whatever, then you dont know what dennett says. you know what people say he says. < 1243882784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rephrase #3: logically-based dissection using original data from source. < 1243882786 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243882807 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, a lot of what he says is not intuitive at all < 1243882822 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its almost entirely based on facts of cognitive science, not on hypothesizing. < 1243882836 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really should read some of his stuff, if only to know what he himself is saying. < 1243882882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the same argument i should read every quack physics paper that has been dissected and disproved by people whose opinion I value to a degree < 1243882888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because hey, they might just be right!112eleventy < 1243882909 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :point < 1243882928 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, daniel dennett is not a quack, and is probably one of the most important philosophers of mind today. < 1243882929 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243882942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :important != not a quack < 1243882946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but < 1243882951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of important, popular people who are complete quacks. < 1243882965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: also, do you realise you're being a hypocrite? < 1243882966 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :important DOES mean that you should give him some reading < 1243882971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"don't rely on someone's opinion of another" < 1243882976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"daniel dennett is not a quack" < 1243882989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: shit, I have to read everyone who's important's work? < 1243882992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain might melt < 1243882994 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1243883003 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but youre saying hes a quack without knowing what he says < 1243883024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i mentally blocked the quotes from him in what I've read about him, then? < 1243883028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive that I still understood < 1243883060 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what precisely did you find quackish < 1243883073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall, surely you've realised that my memory is terrible? < 1243883081 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you're so sure you know what hes said, what did you find to be quacking < 1243883085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://law.onecle.com/california/civil/3548.html < 1243883101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not even a requirement < 1243883103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second < 1243883105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that voids the law < 1243883112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an axiom that the law has been obeyed < 1243883118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: quite a few of the other rules around there are interesting too < 1243883118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we judge the illegality of an action by the law < 1243883124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it says that the law has been obeyed, < 1243883131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think there's a loophole, it just means that at least one action hasn't been illegal < 1243883131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody is ever guilty of the California Civil Code < 1243883133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o < 1243883135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o? < 1243883137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1243883138 0 :Hiato1!n=1@dsl-245-14-154.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1243883138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1243883141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, imagine: < 1243883146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a person steals, this law has been disobeyed. < 1243883147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, is it even possible to "break" civil law? < 1243883152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stealing is criminal < 1243883157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1243883160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just using an example < 1243883161 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no civil laws. < 1243883165 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just civil law. < 1243883171 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so theres nothing to break. < 1243883197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually understand civil law too much < 1243883227 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :civil law is just a bunch of people in the community think you're a jerk so you have to pay. < 1243883229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1243883230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things happen according to the ordinary course of nature and < 1243883231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ordinary habits of life. < 1243883232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thing continues to exist as long as is usual with things of < 1243883234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that nature. < 1243883239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is this code talking about < 1243883241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I've seen many of those < 1243883255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an explanation in there somewhere, I think < 1243883257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not a very good one < 1243883261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where one of two innocent persons must suffer by the act of a < 1243883262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :third, he, by whose negligence it happened, must be the sufferer. < 1243883265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a collection of proverbs! < 1243883277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523 < 1243883277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An interpretation which gives effect is preferred to one < 1243883278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes void. < 1243883283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this law has been obeyed" is effectively void < 1243883289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1243883293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we say that it means it's been obeyed once < 1243883298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, at least, much more void than "it has been obeyed in this case" < 1243883318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would so love it if some lawyers tried to use those rules to throw out a civil case < 1243883326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, I think they're sufficiently self-contradictory that that wouldn't work < 1243883344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Time does not confirm a void act.]] < 1243883346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE FUCK < 1243883358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time is cubic. 4-day harmonious rotation does not interfere. < 1243883365 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243883365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Superfluity does not vitiate.]] < 1243883369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha this is great < 1243883407 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1*-1=1 is learned stupid. < 1243883415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION posts the same link in ##nomic < 1243883466 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243883468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conscio is such a nice word < 1243883477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ever heard of MacBug? < 1243883478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder it's conscios or consci? < 1243883490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: < 1243883491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MacBUG - Macarthur Bicycle Users group redirect to http ... < 1243883492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bushwalking and social club based in the Macarthur District of NSW. Includes photos, news, tips, safety and events. < 1243883499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not that one < 1243883502 0 :impomatic!n=John@217.171.129.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243883503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one < 1243883512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, A system level debugger from Apple. Useful even if you didn't debug on Pre OS X < 1243883524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1243883528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Heh. < 1243883533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it was useful for normal users, because it made some crashes manage without reboot < 1243883538 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it called macbugs? < 1243883540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could kill the relevant app. Sometimes < 1243883548 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1243883549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why did you pick out what's presumably an early Google result and assume it was correct, when it obviously wasn't? < 1243883550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MacsBug < 1243883550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1243883552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_, ^ < 1243883555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checked < 1243883558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what AnMaster's supposed to do in response to you < 1243883559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: hi < 1243883560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in macbug atm < 1243883562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was the first one, and no others referenced anything in particular < 1243883572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so what he said was thoroughly unhelpful < 1243883572 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any new techniques for BF Joust over the last three days? I've been away. < 1243883575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macsbug < 1243883579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally when he does it, it's on the same page < 1243883589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macsbug returns a result < 1243883591 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah just remembered that there was some strange s in there i always forgot < 1243883591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: not really < 1243883593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MacsBug is an acronym for Motorola Advanced Computer Systems Debugger < 1243883594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243883594 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone tried programming in the language of Tierra? < 1243883595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heap rules have changed, though < 1243883602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_, not odd I typoed it < 1243883604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1243883605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and defend6/7 are winning < 1243883610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I haven't resubmit them < 1243883612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hc all says the heap of finder is corrupted < 1243883613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1243883615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, everyone's using [-] nowadays < 1243883622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only way to handle that is to reboot < 1243883641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION enters rs and hits enter < 1243883652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's oerjan when you need him < 1243883657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in true apple style it has menus < 1243883669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which work with built in mouse, but not usb ones connected < 1243883670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very odd < 1243883677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1243883686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for a logic question < 1243883687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rs is "unmount and reboot" < 1243883689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243883696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to REISUB earlier < 1243883706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE crashed, nothing was working but the mouse pointer < 1243883707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did I get nostalgic over this old ibook today < 1243883717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remmeber it was your fault ehird. But I don't remember why < 1243883718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even control-alt-f1 (even after SysRq-R) or control-alt-backspace < 1243883719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1243883723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although reisub itself seemed to work fin < 1243883724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fine < 1243883736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: large resolution for 12" screen < 1243883743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243883744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1243883744 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to write a small efficient Tierra self-replicating program by hand. < 1243883746 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm down to 22 instructions and 143 cycles. < 1243883747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :800x600 indeed < 1243883755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I upgraded it to 9.2.2 now < 1243883766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: stick linux on it < 1243883770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always nice to have a computer < 1243883776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have booted it with gentoo once < 1243883777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1243883784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only keep it for some old mac games < 1243883789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: compilation time would be prohibitive for gentoo < 1243883790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old ibook I mean < 1243883796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah. < 1243883810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, would have to distcc to a cross toolchain on my pc < 1243883817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: or... use a binary distro < 1243883832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just compile a cross-toolchain from scratch? < 1243883835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have gcc source, don't you? < 1243883838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway that would be defeating the point. < 1243883839 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243883842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know what distcc is? < 1243883844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, .. you missed the point did you? < 1243883850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't* < 1243883855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, I can guess but I might have guessed wrong < 1243883859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you did < 1243883861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the google < 1243883864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1243883869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your loss < 1243883883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if it's in your interest that I know what you're talking about, then you can tell me < 1243883889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it isn't, then we both have more important things to do < 1243883890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1243883896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it allows spreading compiles over several computers. < 1243883908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, interesting < 1243883911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, please don't feed his hate of using the web < 1243883914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what did you think it was? < 1243883915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about make -jn? could it be modified to do that? < 1243883916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tiring < 1243883925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm with ais523 here. Since I share this hate. < 1243883933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luddites < 1243883934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is the whole point of it... < 1243883939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the Web is one of the most annoying and least useful parts of the Internet < 1243883945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just people keep putting things there for some reason < 1243883959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about it this way: aren't you really annoyed when you phone someone and get an automated system? < 1243883965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: where do you think wikipedia belongs. Gopher < 1243883966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1243883971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, would you rather have Google at the other end of the phone, or AnMaster? < 1243883974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone remember good old NORTON Utilities. From before it was Symantec? < 1243883986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I have no idea how ehird would answer that question < 1243883989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: broken analogy < 1243883995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: agreed < 1243883996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web is not like phoning up an automated system < 1243883997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still a good question < 1243883999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my answer is mu < 1243884000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1243884006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and no, it isn't; but it is if you use a search engine < 1243884007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, considering how much I argue with AnMaster, Google < 1243884011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it's not < 1243884045 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1243884059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hit Cmd-Q to quit app. Get: "PowerPC unmapped memory exception at 3E217A40" in MacsBug < 1243884061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION growls < 1243884075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243884081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :es to kill app worked < 1243884100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"100dpi is Not Enough - Thursday 1 July, 2004" < 1243884102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for some MPW! < 1243884109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This person numbers all his years by subtracting 10 from them. < 1243884116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact. < 1243884189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: MPW's "worksheet" is a mix between a shell and the "*scratch*" buffer in emacs... < 1243884193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what I mean < 1243884201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1243884204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs *scratch* is a shell < 1243884206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an elisp shell < 1243884207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the *scratch* buffer in emacs is a mix between a shell and the *scratch* buffer in Emacs < 1243884210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try (+ 2 2)C-j < 1243884223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWGGGGGGGG < 1243884230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah. < 1243884241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that funny < 1243884242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1243884251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant to be true /and/ funny < 1243884324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone here tried the new Google Wave thing, btw? < 1243884336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the descriptions remind me of some sort of ridiculously overcomplicated gobby < 1243884344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only Google owns your data not you < 1243884348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I may have the wrong end of the stick < 1243884350 0 :Hiato1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1243884353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not that < 1243884372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like gobby with IM client features that does any kind of data, not just text < 1243884379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, it's federated + open protocol < 1243884380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like jabber < 1243884383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run your own google wave server < 1243884390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and communicate with people on other servers, including google's official one < 1243884401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could do a google wave communication completely bypassing google < 1243884404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1243884411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the idea of people seeing what I type as I type it, so I wouldn't use it as IM < 1243884415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for collaboration, it could be interesting < 1243884429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of Google Docs in that case < 1243884429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : has anyone here tried the new Google Wave thing, btw? <-- what is it < 1243884432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just generalised < 1243884435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i just told you... < 1243884437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: read conversation? < 1243884440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird just explained < 1243884441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1243884445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is WORSE than googling ;P < 1243884447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's google docs, but with name tags, essentially < 1243884453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243884458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so you want me to psychically tell you? < 1243884461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and distributedness < 1243884466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a bad idea, really < 1243884476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.waveprotocol.org/draft-protocol-spec < 1243884477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's one of those things where the amount of hype annoys me < 1243884481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a bit incomplete < 1243884486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tech media is bunk < 1243884486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's only a few millialphas < 1243884492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1243884502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read convo now < 1243884505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :convo* < 1243884507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1243884513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right first time around < 1243884514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1243884517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1243884522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: *reads < 1243884532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still trying to recover from the shock of someone in 2004 saying that 100dpi is low resolution < 1243884554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and trying to futz with values to figure out what their 150dpi screen was) < 1243884603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1920x1200 @ 15" < 1243884605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 150dpi < 1243884610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be that, must be bigger < 1243884625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2048x1152 @ 19" is only 123dpi < 1243884655 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what DPI do you use, anyway? < 1243884658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1920x1200 a 15"? < 1243884667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm trying to figure out what this 150dpi screen in 2004 was < 1243884668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just silly. < 1243884678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Mmkay. < 1243884680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: This iMac has a 20" @ 16something x 1050. < 1243884682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100dpi < 1243884687 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it 15"? < 1243884696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably going for a 94-96dpi screen for my new box, due to ubiquityness. < 1243884697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no idea < 1243884705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in 2004, 30" displays were the hugest there ever was < 1243884710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm guessing 1x-2x < 1243884722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus a 150dpi 50" display would have to be a gazillion x a bajillion < 1243884724 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that still pretty much the hugest there is? :-P < 1243884725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1243884726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*30" < 1243884730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well, yeh < 1243884746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2560x1600 @ 20" = 150dpi < 1243884752 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# 1920x1200 @ 15.4 Dell Inspiron 6000 < 1243884767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: SAME PPI CALCULATOR BUDDIES < 1243884767 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(147 dpi) < 1243884771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hi5* < 1243884801 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I figured you were just guessing :) < 1243884812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: nope, I'm feeding values into it < 1243884850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I already run with Small Fonts on my 150ppi screen, and use 9pt for all my text editing." < 1243884857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my consolation is that this guy is probably blind by now < 1243884869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 characters per fucking inch < 1243884912 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-14-154.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1243885117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: there should be one where you can put in a dpi and a screen size < 1243885121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it gives you the resolution < 1243885150 0 :tetha!n=hk@pD9EE7739.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243885233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"McVities defended its classification of Jaffa Cakes as cakes. In doing so it produced a 12" Jaffa Cake to illustrate that its Jaffa Cakes were simply miniature cakes." < 1243885238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our logic is undeniable! < 1243885246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes a 12" digestive biscuit < 1243885268 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I read that before too < 1243885278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom nom nom nom < 1243885280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tetha < 1243885289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe the topic will put people off answering my his :) < 1243885291 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetings < 1243885301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: haven't seen your name around; you new? < 1243885322 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, learned about this channel earlier today and figured I'd take a look < 1243885334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1243885337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, um, I'd like to get this out of the way since it happens so often: we're about esoteric programming languages, not magic or witchcraft or anything of that sort < 1243885341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here for esolang discussion, or the jousting? < 1243885342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, now we can all get on < 1243885357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, we do get people thinking that...) < 1243885359 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly hope this is about sligtly less usable languages :) < 1243885363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243885370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: It depends on your definition of "slightly". < 1243885370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly can be an understatement on occasiono < 1243885384 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :octal casino? < 1243885401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octal... casino. < 1243885406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like a good idea if only I knew what it meant. < 1243885422 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... yes, malbolge is "slightly" unusable... sort of < 1243885428 0 :Hiato1!n=1@dsl-245-14-154.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1243885442 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite < 1243885453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: nonsense < 1243885454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-malbolge-995.html < 1243885459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it only took a few months to write too < 1243885476 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all pretty straight forward, isn't it? < 1243885488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1243885491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the squiggly bit there < 1243885496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the wave pattern there. < 1243885503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translates to "print out the 99 bottles of beer song". < 1243885503 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be worse, really < 1243885509 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be in Plain English. < 1243885510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, ladies and gentlemen; Malbolge is an elaborate hoax. < 1243885512 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rimshot* < 1243885512 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1243885518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you decode its spec and understand its very nature of working... < 1243885525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just an obfuscated HQ9+. < 1243885532 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243885536 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, now THAT would be difficult to understand < 1243885537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. Sagely. < 1243885539 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243885550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-plain-english-1056.html < 1243885553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis a real language < 1243885554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-plain-english-1056.html < 1243885581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain English is /awful/ < 1243885587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243885587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently intended seriously < 1243885588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it truly is < 1243885590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaking them even worse than us < 1243885591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is < 1243885591 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"from __future__ import skynet" < 1243885595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : where's oerjan when you need him < 1243885597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we've proved it TC, iirc < 1243885597 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1243885600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how does it compare to BancSTAR? < 1243885604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can loop < 1243885611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can BancSTAR < 1243885613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, it's easier to program in < 1243885624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you just get going— yeah, i've read the manual, hey, this is working < 1243885626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do this < 1243885629 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I confused it with English (the esolang) < 1243885632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, a stupid restriction < 1243885638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, how do I do this < 1243885639 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243885641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit is THAT how that works? < 1243885644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap it doesn't extend to < 1243885647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhh!!!! < 1243885654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_ can also attest to this < 1243885664 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c2391BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243885676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't help that the manual continually calls windows kludges and whores and generally harasses you < 1243885689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*windows a kludge and a whore < 1243885696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not to be confused with ENGLISH, a (non-esoteric) SQL-like programming language used in the old Pick operating system." < 1243885700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was so confusing it with that. < 1243885702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you've ever tried to program for Windows, you'll know the feeling < 1243885705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://esolangs.org/wiki/English) < 1243885708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't /quite/ as bad at that < 1243885782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... who was it here who was trying to write an esolang which was completely readable by a non-programmer, yet interpretable by an interp? < 1243885791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wanted to come up with the language first < 1243885795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The osmosian order? :P < 1243885799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then write DeCSS in it (legal, according to US precedent) < 1243885803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243885807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then write the interp (thus retroactively making the program illegal) < 1243885837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't think the program would become illegal < 1243885841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was sufficiently english-like < 1243885846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban could help < 1243885847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interesting point < 1243885849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if there's an interp? < 1243885857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i can write an interpreter that interprets Macbeth < 1243885862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a DeCSS program < 1243885865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without hardcoding it in particular < 1243885868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make Macbeth illegal? No. < 1243885874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, intent is everything < 1243885874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's an interesting point < 1243885878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the interp then be illegal, I wonder? < 1243885883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you might want to get someone to write decss and just suggest some quirks of language < 1243885884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect you'd have to deliberately aim for deCSS < 1243885886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without telling them your plan < 1243885896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not neccessarily < 1243885899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all likelihood, yes < 1243885901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but theoretically, no < 1243885906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double, double, toil and trouble < 1243885967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's BF Joust getting on? < 1243885983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get how a couple of my ancient programs are back at the top of the leaderboard, without me resubmitting < 1243885986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with all the rules changes < 1243885989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just feels weird < 1243886000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, someone has already devised a programming language for DeCSS. It has a DeCSS implemenation, but is not itself implemented... < 1243886017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is it HQ9+-style? < 1243886028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It's a C-like language. < 1243886034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even if not, we should /so/ add a DeCSS command to HQ9+...) < 1243886045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yuh. < 1243886080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHIQRSX9++D < 1243886086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best of all worlds. < 1243886106 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : he managed to put all the correct ones second <-- it did happen to be alphabetical order < 1243886113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :P < 1243886125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: also, some people would disagree with you < 1243886132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I agree with you on the non-programming-related one < 1243886137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unpossible < 1243886140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when I drank cola, I did prefer Pepsi to Coca-Cola < 1243886140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm objectively right, always < 1243886147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't drink it nowadays < 1243886170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: *reads <-- no. It was "has read" < 1243886177 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/new-language.txt < 1243886179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "I read" would work < 1243886183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AnMaster read" doesn't really < 1243886187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1243886190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster read works < 1243886190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1243886192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster read the convo now < 1243886193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't < 1243886193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, /me readed that convo < 1243886196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivial to compile to C. < 1243886196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that < 1243886200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it better? < 1243886202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243886203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... no < 1243886210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, really, sed would do it... < 1243886220 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243886221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm going to write a compiler for that now < 1243886224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I am contrarian < 1243886240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You will retroactively make it illegal. < 1243886242 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice work. < 1243886248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nope < 1243886255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't make someone else retroactively do something illegal < 1243886257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have that legal power < 1243886257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well that was what it meant. Except in English it is "read" but pronounced as "red" in past. < 1243886265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distributing it w/ knowledge of the compiler will become illegal, though < 1243886269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus what I wrote was correct as far as I can tell ehird < 1243886271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the fact is your sentence was invalid < 1243886279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [[* AnMaster read the convo now]] - invalid, agreed? < 1243886281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least very awkward < 1243886283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah english really blue it < 1243886284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so.. "/me walked foo" < 1243886299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, would have to be "/me walkeds foo" < 1243886301 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1243886303 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243886304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to your logic < 1243886305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ...no < 1243886312 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also thought the "readed" was a bit odd < 1243886359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, that is because it is "read" in past tense < 1243886388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: logic doesn't change what is valid about a language < 1243886389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why it has to be "* AnMaster read the convo now". It is "AnMaster the convo now". < 1243886404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is invalid in it < 1243886409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reads would be invalid < 1243886410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orange you glad english spelling is so logical < 1243886432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that would imply present tense < 1243886439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1243886453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it just is invalid < 1243886461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask psygnisfive if you want to know the linguistic reason, I don't < 1243886467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why. Is "AnMaster walked to the house now" invalid too? < 1243886473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just a native speaker and I know that it's either incredibly awkward or invalid < 1243886486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes or no? < 1243886487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Step 1. Read past two messages. Step 2. Repeat until comprehension is achieved. < 1243886498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it invalid or not < 1243886501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that line < 1243886501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think it's valid but incredibly awkward, the original < 1243886508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, for the new one < 1243886516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're mixing past tense with an indication of the present < 1243886517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why is it awkward? < 1243886531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1243886536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the correct form is "I've read the convo now" < 1243886541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was sort of hoping for a groaning yellow epic proportions here... < 1243886542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AnMaster read the" = "I read the" < 1243886549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and correctness needs I → I've < 1243886553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"have read", not "read", makes it work better < 1243886562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's "have read by now", a sort of past version of the future perfect < 1243886568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah. < 1243886580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes that was the intention < 1243886595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing I was saying here was that ehird's "reads*" correction was not correct. < 1243886597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a perl compiler from DeCSSLanguage to C < 1243886599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only uses s/// < 1243886606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I thought you meant you were reading it now < 1243886615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was awkward, but not if you added an s < 1243886618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, If so I would have used "reads" < 1243886627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh come on, like you don't make trivial typos all the time < 1243886644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, it isn't my fault English writes it as "read" but pronounces it either as "read" or "red" < 1243886644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243886646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain thinks you making a trivial typo is more likely than you making a horribly warped sentence, and so assumed the former < 1243886650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........................................... < 1243886654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it got to do with pronounciation < 1243886658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pronunciation < 1243886667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because the spelling is confusing in such cases < 1243886694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it has been a verb that you added the standard "ed" to to make past tense it would have been harder to misunderstood < 1243886702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for if I had _said_ "red" < 1243886727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes I'm aware of those two "to", but as far as I can tell it is valid?) < 1243886746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's a better way of doing 'print func <>'? < 1243886750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for <> = whole input < 1243886754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: go speak lojban < 1243886759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i think you need the first "has" to be "had", though < 1243886773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah good point < 1243886800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't proof read IRC lines, but if I had I think I would have detected that had. < 1243886814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has* < 1243886818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it definitely stands out if you read it aloud. < 1243886824 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it changed word class as we speak? < 1243886825 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1243886832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classy < 1243886907 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAWR < 1243886989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, hm? Had had been has you might have been correct (and I'm not sure about that "have"...) < 1243887019 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touché < 1243887329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uncivil disobedience: http://pastie.org/496882.txt?key=guczgfl0y62fnulv88jhg < 1243887379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is the point of the original... < 1243887390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's US law related < 1243887402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't try to understand, you'll spend half an hour preaching to the choir about how it's stupid < 1243887425 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice quote < 1243887429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what quot < 1243887430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1243887436 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "Please do not write a compiler or interpreter for this language." lawl < 1243887456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I know what DeCSS is (breaking copy protection...) but why doesn't he want a compiler for that language? < 1243887468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because that makes the program illegal < 1243887491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, he should have a human readable description of the algorithm instead. Would be safer. < 1243887501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that defeats the point entirely < 1243887524 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is basically to make fun of DMCA. < 1243887560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has an email address < 1243887563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to email him that program < 1243887570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, store_char seems wrong < 1243887571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1243887576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i s/byte/char/ previously < 1243887580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've tested the compilation < 1243887582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only main is missing < 1243887584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1243887588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make a library out of it in one line < 1243887592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you replace it before yeah < 1243887595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/new-language.txt | perl decsslang.pl | gcc -x c /dev/stdin < 1243887654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope the :-) in the subject line offsets the anger of "Fuck you" < 1243887657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the code < 1243887662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1243887674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm such a bastard < 1243887686 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember to paste the reaction < 1243887694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will < 1243887697 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good- < 1243887745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you seemed irritated when I cared all about edge cases... < 1243887753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... whut < 1243887754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1243887763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you have been that before.? < 1243887770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you denying it? < 1243887771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about? < 1243887777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out any context at all < 1243887789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the context will happen later < 1243887801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you tell me what AnMaster is talking about? < 1243887809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, however, were you or were you not irritated when I started talking about edge cases before < 1243887812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell from his last line, he's replying to something I'll say in the future < 1243887821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both for cfunge, and for other stuff < 1243887822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1243887830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like new language ideas you had < 1243887835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes or no? < 1243887840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't answer questions without context. :) < 1243887851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is none < 1243887859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you answer it < 1243887861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then 'tis a pointless question. < 1243887873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it could be argued that this "no such language" is such an edge case of the DMCA law anyway... < 1243887883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I'm saying I consider it so < 1243887886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1243887889 0 :nooga!n=nooga@89.108.205.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243887893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just did it for fun < 1243887897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so edge cases aren't important? ;P < 1243887898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think the concept is legally valid < 1243887901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say there's so very much sickeningly wrong with the DMCA. < 1243887913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, agreed < 1243887926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 1. Repeal DMCA. Step 2. Repeal patents. Step 3. Repeal copyright law. < 1243887939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ Nevergetelectedeverneverforeverintheus Anonymous < 1243887945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-step program to not getting elected in the US. < 1243887946 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html << this gave me creeps < 1243887956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Step 4. Create sane copyright law. Step 5. Create sane patent law. < 1243887973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, that stance will work. ... 50 years from now. < 1243887980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sane copyright law. Right. Also, go about making paint dry faster. < 1243887988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FURTHERMORE, any water caught being wet will be prosecuted. < 1243887989 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... When the Pirate Party is completely and utterly done in Europe. < 1243888032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only part of copyright law that might be worth keeping in any form, is preventing someone taking your work and changing the name < 1243888032 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.. that just sounds odd when directly translated from Swedish < 1243888035 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to me < 1243888037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Ah, The Last Question. One of my favorite Asimov short stories. < 1243888044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: It is a bit of an odd name. < 1243888047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piratpartiet sounds nicer. < 1243888050 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1243888068 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: many things in swedish sound nice < 1243888075 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to hear that language < 1243888085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, that *is* the only enforcable bit. < 1243888097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, which one? < 1243888105 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the Pirate Party" < 1243888112 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: first impression: MULTIVAC -> google < 1243888114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OTOH the actual enforcing of it isn't very good and there's a ton of gray areas < 1243888122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html << this gave me creeps << tl;dr < 1243888123 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last impression: AC -> God < 1243888137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AC = Singularity, more like. < 1243888141 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1243888143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather rubbish singularity though, letting us die out like that. < 1243888144 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1243888148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then "exiting time" whatever that means. < 1243888148 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more suitable name < 1243888155 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in God < 1243888158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, hm.. men är det inte "piratpartiet"? < 1243888159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't give a damn about the Universe existing if everyone's kicked the bucket :) < 1243888162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, piratpartiet < 1243888166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1243888168 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jo < 1243888174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why are you saying it sounds odd? < 1243888176 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party < 1243888184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice that sweden's progressing politically faster than others < 1243888186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't "party" the relevant translation of a political party? < 1243888187 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just sounds odd in English < 1243888191 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is < 1243888196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why odd < 1243888201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to see it -_- < 1243888203 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still find it odd, I'm used to the swedish wording, all right? < 1243888207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243888214 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen it in english before :P < 1243888223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Doesn't sound odd to me. < 1243888247 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you're not natively Swedish speaking < 1243888249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks forward to having Pirates in office. < 1243888253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, last I heard Piratpartiet was the 4th largest party. < 1243888255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's third. < 1243888256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neato. < 1243888259 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I'm natively English speaking. < 1243888267 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and I'm not < 1243888269 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is my point < 1243888280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm...? < 1243888293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah. It's estimated that it'll get a couple seats in EU Parliament. < 1243888294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Piratpartiet have the third largest membership of any Swedish political party. < 1243888298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty kick-ass. < 1243888298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243888326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(here's to election systems that aren't winner takes all) < 1243888331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it third in opinionsundersökningarna (wth is that in English?) for the EU election? < 1243888336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go Europeon elections! < 1243888342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Euro peon < 1243888344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europeon < 1243888346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243888349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*European < 1243888352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The words peon and peonage are derived from the Spanish peón (pe'on). It has a range of meanings but its primary usage is to describe labourers with little control over their employment conditions. < 1243888371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1243888375 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1243888376 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1243888380 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ Now categoricalish. < 1243888386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i like how the BNP are on the european election ballot. made me think for a second :) < 1243888408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: British Nationalist? < 1243888408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO < 1243888411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah < 1243888421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're basically nazis < 1243888429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and naturally hate the EU with a fiery passion < 1243888438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Approximately 8% of the Swedish population will vote Pirate, according to polls... < 1243888447 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: They just want to destroy it from the inside! < 1243888447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm. Source? < 1243888453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it as 6% or so last time < 1243888470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dn.se/fordjupning/europa2009/piratpartiet-far-tva-mandat-i-ny-matning-1.879371 < 1243888484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(read claim from Wikipedia, since I don't speak Swedish) < 1243888485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the best part of the BNP is UKIP (UK Independence Party). They claim they're the only party that wants to leave the EU (hem hem BNP don't count hrrrr) and opposes immigration and blah BUT DON'T BE SWAYED BY EXTREMISTS! Don't vote for a "racist party" that stands for our racist ideals (hem hem bnp HACK COUGH)! Vote for us! < 1243888503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"far tva mandat i ny matning" < 1243888506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see... < 1243888507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: FÖRDJUPNING. < 1243888508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: UKIP != BNP < 1243888510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that logo looks awesome < 1243888511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know < 1243888514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: read my message again < 1243888517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, "brilliant" < 1243888520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant that the best thing about the BNP is UKIP < 1243888524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ok < 1243888525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"travels 'tva' places in new feeding" < 1243888527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than < 1243888544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FÖRDJUPNING. = RECESS. < 1243888545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"receives two places in new measurement" < 1243888548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sez googol < 1243888557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. That may be one meaning < 1243888559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not common < 1243888567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Call me ignorant about their views, but... Isn't the EU damned good for all involved? < 1243888569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how to properly translate < 1243888576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "deeper studies"? < 1243888579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1243888581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. The BNP/UKIP are crazy right wingers. < 1243888590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BNP descends from the National Front. < 1243888596 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the GBP is stronger than the Euro. < 1243888616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: founder of the BNP once said: < 1243888620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mein Kampf is my bible." < 1243888622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, see what I mean? < 1243888622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Which is part of why the UK isn't part of the Euro Zone. < 1243888624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yeah. < 1243888630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1243888633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "INDEPTH." < 1243888633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, so they're the national socialists. < 1243888638 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, but the EU isn't exactly happy about that :P < 1243888646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that could work. But yes it has several possible translations < 1243888647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah < 1243888649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on context. < 1243888653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: They do permit it, but... Yeah. < 1243888660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not really < 1243888664 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ehird: IIRC, it's some loophole. < 1243888664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK negotiated an exception < 1243888667 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I get famous some day, I'll say something in the lines of "The following statement is a lie. " < 1243888670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other countries used loopholes < 1243888673 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to see how much I get quoted for it < 1243888674 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1243888676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the UK just voted themselves an exception < 1243888686 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: It's something explicitly written in for the UK. < 1243888693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which is why automatic translators suck in general. Because a one-to-one mapping usually doesn't work to create an idiomatic (or even correct) translation. < 1243888707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think denmark also has an exception, while sweden is loopy < 1243888712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Other countries in the EU without the Euro are claiming to not have an economy that could support it yet. < 1243888718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sweden don't use a loophole < 1243888724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use the officially-sanctioned "our market is too tin" < 1243888725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1243888726 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did use the present perfect progressive tense; I just didn't do so in my announcement that I was doing so. < 1243888731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: FÖRDJUPNING. → Recess | in-depth | bathtub < 1243888735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that _is_ their loophole < 1243888735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useful :D < 1243888740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, No way about the latter one < 1243888741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1243888742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but that's not a loophole < 1243888744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's by design < 1243888747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard it meaning bathtub < 1243888749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, no, I'm sure about this. It's science. < 1243888757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It also means large green baby. < 1243888766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, bathtub is "badkar" < 1243888771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And terrorist communist mutant. < 1243888776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And jumping on top of Fords. < 1243888783 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bad car is "basthub" < 1243888795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243888807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be fun? < 1243888820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everyone on the planet apart from one person swapped the meanings of yes/no suddenly one day < 1243888821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fördjupning probably doesn't mean ALL the meanings that recess has even < 1243888825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only some of them < 1243888828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, we can vote for the most hated person in the world < 1243888830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do it to them < 1243888839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which ones? < 1243888859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from google translate: "a small concavity" "an enclosure that is set back or indented" < 1243888867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the other ones listed in the first group < 1243888877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243888899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why not make that one person swap instead? < 1243888899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so now you know why translating back and forth with google nevers ends up at the same text < 1243888905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comes to the same thing, but is much less annoying < 1243888908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to replace books, etc < 1243888916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how? you'd have to convince them to. the idea is to make them go insane < 1243888926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I already knew why < 1243888929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there are easier ways < 1243888936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah < 1243888953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This tie has not been shown. The prosecutor must show that Carl Lundström personally has interacted with the user King Kong, who may very well be found in the jungles of Cambodia..." —Pirate Bay trial < 1243888966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chewbacca! < 1243888968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, isn't correct machine translation a strong AI problem iirc? < 1243888968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the King Kong defence was great < 1243888976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Comprehending things in general is. < 1243888981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And translation is comprehending then restating. < 1243888981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the Chewbacca defence, in that it generally makes sense < 1243888991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: reminds me of it, though < 1243888994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still great, though. < 1243888996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1243889002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so why does google even TRY < 1243889004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1243889011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's incredibly useful < 1243889013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in general it is gibberish < 1243889017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read news articles with it before < 1243889018 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's ask MULTIVAC < 1243889018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no < 1243889019 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so translation is compilation < 1243889019 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::f < 1243889021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because Google wants strong AI. < 1243889021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a native speaker, it's easy to understand < 1243889029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to fill in the gaps < 1243889031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, maybe "to English" works better than "to Swedish" < 1243889032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can very well get the gist < 1243889038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 'cuz english is more common < 1243889043 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: To English works decently. < 1243889045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sadly so < 1243889057 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is that some laguages have more complex constructs and vocabulary than english < 1243889057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why sadly? < 1243889058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly isn't correct English, but it at least gives you a clue. < 1243889064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is english any worse than swedish? < 1243889071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, It would be fun if it was YOU who had the problems with not being a native speaker instead of me. < 1243889072 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the translator must deduce right words and cases from the context < 1243889075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243889082 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for this, culture is required < 1243889085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If I wanted to learn Swedish I would. < 1243889094 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i would really like is a tool that does only grammar parsing of the text and word translations < 1243889101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, You would still not manage it as well as a native speaker < 1243889109 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that are both things that machines can do < 1243889113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I meant, if I learned Swedish I would have your problems. < 1243889121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: no, grammatical parsing is not perfect < 1243889121 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243889130 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i didn't say perfect < 1243889131 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: sentences in spoken languages often aren't 100% grammatically correct < 1243889133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: Parsing English is probably strong AI. < 1243889135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw machines can do anything) < 1243889136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck I bet it would be harder than English. Since you have simple rules for when it is "a" and when it is "an". We don't have simple ones for "en" and "ett" iirc. < 1243889153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, it is more like things being either "le" or "la" in French. < 1243889154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: Now, doing that with *Lojban*? < 1243889156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy. < 1243889170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban's official grammar is written in yacc. but it's terribly arcane yacc < 1243889183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks that the BF Joust leaderboard is pretty atm < 1243889186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Actually, Lojban's official grammar is written in BNF. < 1243889198 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok let me rephrase it... it's easier to get computesr to parse grammer than to get them to restate sentences in a different langauge < 1243889199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all the defence programs are grouped in the middle < 1243889200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Real ganstas sip on yacc, you just generate a parser") < 1243889203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get a big block of 0s < 1243889203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You sure? < 1243889204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why arcane yacc? < 1243889205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243889208 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Yacc code they publish is generally thought to be equivalent, but the BNF is the official one. < 1243889208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just is < 1243889212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why < 1243889214 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1243889214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1243889218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I DON'T KNOW < 1243889221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DIDN'T WRITE IT < 1243889221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243889225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, got a link? < 1243889227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably because it's old < 1243889229 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sentences may be ambiguous < 1243889230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.lojban.org/publications/formal-grammars/grammar.300 < 1243889248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm not as arcane as I recall < 1243889258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am disappointed that nobody pickde up on my quote < 1243889287 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1243889328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" preparser will not lex the individual words per their normal selma'o; used to quote ungrammatical Lojban" < 1243889331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh? < 1243889341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"equivalent to the * or ? writing" < 1243889343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243889345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1243889357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you have special quotes for "free form" language or something? < 1243889369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you want to quote english/french/C/etc, there is syntax for that < 1243889374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243889379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a difference between, e.g. in english < 1243889383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the source code comments in English btw < 1243889383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["dog" would work]] < 1243889388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["return 4;" would work]] < 1243889398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because most lojban speakers aren't fluent < 1243889405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is of interest to non-speakers too < 1243889419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there's only ~3 fluent lojban speakers (can think & talk in lojban without mental translation) < 1243889430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243889432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A large part of Lojban's interest is in AI research. < 1243889454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I can actually think in both Swedish an English. I think in English when programming definitely < 1243889455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly easier to do language handling when you have a syntax. < 1243889461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a mix I guess < 1243889469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but do you think in swedish for a split second and then translate to english? < 1243889472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely < 1243889475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you don't notice < 1243889480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not so that I notice it at least < 1243889493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how you could measure if I notice it or not < 1243889512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should learn Toki Pona. < 1243889516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but some stuff I definitely don't know what they are called in Swedish < 1243889520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it comes to programming < 1243889529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's easy; an afternoon's work < 1243889533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF your brain is wired for it < 1243889534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I had problems trying to translate to the Swedish terms when talking about programming in Swedish < 1243889538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am unable to learn any new languages < 1243889540 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: when programming i usually think in english too < 1243889544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can learn the terms, how to put it together, ... < 1243889549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my brain never adds a new language to my system < 1243889552 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because for many terms and expresions i don't even know the translations < 1243889554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1243889562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_, same as me then < 1243889573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mi eblas lerni lingvojn. < 1243889573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1243889574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what the correct term for "array" is in Swedish for example < 1243889577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also, Toki Pona relies on saphir-whorf being strongly true < 1243889578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not < 1243889587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure I heard it though... was something extremely silly < 1243889590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes right < 1243889595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fält" iirc < 1243889600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds more like "field" < 1243889602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than array < 1243889611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely illogical IMO < 1243889617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only sounds < 1243889618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means more < 1243889623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'd assume Sonja knew that. Linguist and all. < 1243889627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nope: < 1243889631 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i notice that i have real problems in german conversations about programming < 1243889633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme find some quacky quotes < 1243889650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so yes I'm pretty sure I think in English when programming < 1243889668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but basically, the site says that it changes your thinking to be positive and shit < 1243889676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Face palm. < 1243889681 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i want to say something and mid sentence i notice i just can't ... < 1243889694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament was one of the first toki pona people thingy and he says sonja is batshit insane :) < 1243889707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I just tried to translate what I wrote above to Swedish. Took about 10 seconds. If I had thought it in Swedish surely it would be easy to backtranslate it? < 1243889716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not necessarily < 1243889723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall Sukoshi looking into it, as well. < 1243889726 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: I tend to just switch to english in that case (usually causing angry looks) < 1243889735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Okay, toki pona? Not worth it. < 1243889742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heck, I can express things in English I can't in Swedish and vice versa. < 1243889750 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: i often end up in an awfull mix of german and english < 1243889750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: as a language it's nice though < 1243889755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then you're probably fluent to a degree < 1243889803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not of course as fluent in English as I'm in Swedish. But for certain topics I'm probably more fluid in English yeah. Like programming. < 1243889807 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the worst part about learning a language is finding a place to use it a lot < 1243889839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kulatukalato < 1243889843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but I wouldn't know my way around an English kitchen. I know there are stuff like "spatulas" but I can't map them to the Swedish words, nor what they actually are. < 1243889845 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: that's true... i failed at learning french at school because i just didn't need it < 1243889856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly wounders what "durkslag" is in English < 1243889858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coo lah too kah lah too < 1243889868 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually "spatulus" and/or "spatuli" < 1243889870 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION koffs < 1243889870 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1243889873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a is long a < 1243889876 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while english was no problem because i was reading english texts, or rather grepped throught them for information i needed before i even started learning english at school... < 1243889878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say that 10 times fast < 1243889884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kulatukalato is probably a nice eodermdrome graph... < 1243889890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what would you call this: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil:Durchschlag.jpg < 1243889898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would call it "durkslag" < 1243889900 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then when i started hanging around on irc i wrote a lot of english too < 1243889900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 TIMES FAST!!! < 1243889903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sieve < 1243889916 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say that there are many days where i write more english than i talk german... < 1243889916 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Easy, compared to some Esperanto tonguetwisters. < 1243889920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wikipedia thinks it is "colander" in English... Hm. < 1243889925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either you fail or wikipedia fails < 1243889927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... tuka forms a cycle, t also connects to o, u and a both also connect to l < 1243889929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh right. < 1243889936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? < 1243889937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: gimme a pronunciation file, I'm having troubles pronouncing it < 1243889943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, just wrapping my tongue around 'scienco'. < 1243889948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: colander subset-of sieve < 1243889959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A colander (also known as a Cullender) is a type of sieve, used in cooking for separating liquids and solids. It is much like a strainer. It is conventionally made of a light metal, such as aluminium or thinly rolled stainless steel, although it is not uncommon for it to be made of plastic. A colander is pierced with a pattern of small holes (or slots in plastic colanders) that let the liquid drain through, but retain the solids inside. Colanders often t < 1243889961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ake the form of a large bowl with a built-in stand to allow water to drain out the bottom as well as the sides. < 1243889982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah. sieve translates to "såll" in Swedish iirc. And såll and durkslag are in Swedish both subsets of some unnamed superset. < 1243889987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1243889995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a såll? < 1243890007 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sieve? < 1243890012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Såll < 1243890021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no en interwiki link < 1243890031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interwiki translates sieve to "sil" in Swedish < 1243890036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I would claim is a third type < 1243890058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if you do make a pronunciation file, note that there's stress on the start of every syllable < 1243890059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1243890066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the picture there I would also call a sil < 1243890073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not total stress, that'd just be overpowering < 1243890075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1243890090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think this is a case of non-simple mappings between the languages < 1243890166 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"both subsets of some unnamed superset." < 1243890171 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming parallells <3 < 1243890172 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-123.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243890176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ... < 1243890179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, no? < 1243890179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logic parallels. < 1243890182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set theory maybe < 1243890183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1243890184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not programming. < 1243890185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm lots of redundancy. atotulukal. < 1243890189 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: what is this that you're looking to do with linguisticy stuff? < 1243890190 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, oh well < 1243890194 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the question?? < 1243890195 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1243890198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: words start with consonants and end with vowels, always < 1243890199 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ehird, either one of you. < 1243890212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a consonant is always followed by a vowel < 1243890213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, err? < 1243890215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cvcvcvcv < 1243890218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1243890235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: latotuluka then < 1243890250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: pronounce kulatukalato into an audial file, gimme. koo lah too kah lah too, a is long a. small stress on the start of every syllable, no other stress < 1243890275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lah toh too loo kah < 1243890290 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "long a" is meaningless to me, and "stress on the start of every syllable" but no other stress is also meaningless < 1243890297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: a as in father < 1243890302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fine, if it's meaningless ignore it :) < 1243890304 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stress is a contrastive thing. you cannot stress every syllable because then there is no stress at all. < 1243890309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, duh < 1243890311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that < 1243890319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just trying to express the concept :P < 1243890327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the consonants are pronounced a little bit more strongly than the vowels < 1243890329 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, stress is a property of syllables as a whole, not parts of syllables < 1243890331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no stress < 1243890337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so thar < 1243890341 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little bit more strongly pronounced? < 1243890344 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what this means. < 1243890348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: oh, forget it < 1243890350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no stress" < 1243890355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what does this word mean < 1243890359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from which language is it < 1243890368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nothing concrete, and I just made it up < 1243890378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds nice, and it's the compound of two words < 1243890380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kula and tukalato < 1243890384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I bet Deewiant could manage that nicely < 1243890386 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i presume when you write "koo lah too kah lah too" you mean the "oo"s to be as in the english word "too" < 1243890387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1243890390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yep < 1243890390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it looks like .fi to me < 1243890390 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1243890392 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243890411 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so phonetically, [kulatukalatu] < 1243890420 0 :Hiato1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1243890446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: wait, no < 1243890452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must have said it wrong < 1243890453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's < 1243890469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kulatukalato, koo lah too kah lah toh < 1243890475 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243890478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o is oh, u is oo < 1243890481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is as in father < 1243890499 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i presume that you dont intend genuine english phonology whereby you get aspiration and t-tapping < 1243890508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely not! < 1243890511 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243890517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to keep the pronunciation as simple as possible :P < 1243890524 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is it you're trying to do now? < 1243890529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: beats me < 1243890538 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this word for? :P < 1243890546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :existing! < 1243890547 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very .fi, yes. < 1243890560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah, .fi is an inspiration because it sounds so nice :) < 1243890574 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this word is plausible for so many world languages its not funny < 1243890585 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hawaiian, for instance, is i think uniformly CV < 1243890607 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm anyone ever tried to make a language (spoken, not programming) that has a minmal set of words? < 1243890619 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243890621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: so get to pronouncing it! :P < 1243890621 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic English < 1243890624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: Toki Pona. < 1243890643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, can you pronounce it? < 1243890657 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ehird, you want me to record myself saying it? < 1243890657 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1243890666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: So, Esperanto phoneme-grapheme mapping. < 1243890673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and i presume that you dont intend genuine english phonology whereby you get aspiration and t-tapping <-- ? < 1243890673 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Of course, it's trivial :-P < 1243890676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1243890680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not to me! < 1243890681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yeah, 'cuz I keep tripping over it :) < 1243890715 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, pronunciation is trivial as long as you can do the individual sounds < 1243890719 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: english cannot pronounce /kulatukalato/ as [kulatukalato] because of the phonology of the language < 1243890723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: not fast enough < 1243890759 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ? < 1243890777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you can pronounce each sound individually, but when you try and run them together into a word you trip, is my experience < 1243890785 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in english, word-initial and stressed-syllable-initial stops like k and t become aspirated, and syllable-initial intervocalic /t/ turns into something roughly like an /r/ < 1243890830 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, english doesnt have pure [o], it has a diphthong, and english stress patterns disallow uniform stress on this word as well < 1243890852 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: IME that only happens with tongue-twisty phrases < 1243890854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: damn, english really hates this word < 1243890858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: your < 1243890862 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most natural stress pattern for me is 'ku.la.tu.ka.,la.to < 1243890862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're < 1243890863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish < 1243890866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pronounce anything < 1243890867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, hm < 1243890868 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1243890873 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ku has primary stress and la has secondary stress < 1243890899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, IMO kulatukalato IS tongue-twisty < 1243890913 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, english often reduces unstressed vowels < 1243890934 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not IMO :-P < 1243890965 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nah. < 1243890968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i get it down to otukatula < 1243890974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, brain-twisty? < 1243890976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might just be because I've got a bit of experience with Japanese, though. < 1243890987 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO, natural pronunciation of this word would not be [kulatukalato] in english but rather ['kʰu:lətukə,la:ɾoʊ] < 1243890989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, did you mean AnMaster? < 1243890993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm minimal eodermdroming is probably related to eulerian graphs... < 1243890996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1243890998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no he didn't < 1243891008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's probably related to something < 1243891014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see what he is replying to < 1243891015 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, there'd be secondary stress on tu as well < 1243891015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1243891016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eulerian graphs seems likely < 1243891018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: is this the only language in the world where you can just put the word in brackets to get the IPA? :P < 1243891020 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ['kʰu:lətʰu:kə,la:ɾoʊ] < 1243891027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to figure out which edges to double < 1243891034 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what do you mean? < 1243891042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: kulatukalato → [kulatukalato] < 1243891049 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but what language? < 1243891055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one kulatukalato is in < 1243891068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for my program it was easy because most of the graphs were trees, you just need to find the two farthest points < 1243891069 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well, it depends a lot on your font, actually < 1243891071 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1243891091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, " SO, natural pronunciation of this word would not be [kulatukalato] in english but rather ['kʰu:lətukə,la:ɾoʊ]" <-- is that k rased to the power of h? < 1243891100 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, k^h means aspirated k < 1243891108 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: English pronunciation not only sounds but also looks ugly, I see < 1243891110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: There's a language that is written soley in the subset of IPA that describes its phonemes. < 1243891110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you manage that < 1243891119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1243891124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the normal k sound? < 1243891132 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: your native language surely is similar. < 1243891133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define normal k sound < 1243891134 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal English k < 1243891137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: finnish < 1243891144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so gray area I'd imagine < 1243891151 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster, what do you mean normal k sound? < 1243891164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does Toki pona... < 1243891174 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I haven't actually seen pretty much any of that extended IPA (I even forget what it's called) so I can't say < 1243891176 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ehird: what i mean is, the font im using has "a" as a simple lowercase "cursive" a < 1243891185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243891186 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the IPA symbol for the english a < 1243891188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/graph/path/ < 1243891196 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the spanish a is denoted in ipa with the times-new-roman kind of a < 1243891202 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the little tail over its head < 1243891218 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my font doesnt distinguish them, nor do most people in writing, but ipa does < 1243891218 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are code points for all the variants, you don't have to rely on fonts :-P < 1243891220 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it depends on your font < 1243891247 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :['kʰu:lətʰu:kə,lɑ:ɾoʊ], to be certain. < 1243891269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: how's that recording going < 1243891270 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: extended IPA? none of this is extended IPA. < 1243891274 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hush you! < 1243891303 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Isn't ʰ one of those things that's normally omitted < 1243891310 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1243891313 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never. < 1243891318 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1243891319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems that bing is active already < 1243891322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and live.com already redirects there < 1243891322 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aspiration is a standard thing in many many world languages < 1243891352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bing.com/search?q=how+is+babby+formed&go=&form=QBLH&filt=all < 1243891356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks exactly like google. < 1243891358 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has aspiration in certain contexts, but not the kind that distinguishes sounds, korean and hindi have phonemic aspiration < 1243891372 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hindi and korean k^h is distinct from just k < 1243891431 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I'm thinking of broad vs. narrow transcription < 1243891454 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well but then you're delving into the realm of phonology < 1243891457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in norwegian aspiration and voicing is so tight together you could almost choose which of them you consider primary... < 1243891470 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :broad transcriptions are broad on in that they're phonemically influenced < 1243891476 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1243891490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: :| < 1243891513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things are only distinguished according to what speakers of the language distinguish, with broad transcriptions... < 1243891523 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i write [kæt] as a broad phonetic transcription of english "cat", you /understand/ that the k is aspirated, and im just being lazy. < 1243891578 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not a tight, phonetic transcription, there's influence from phonology in how you're transcribing it < 1243891584 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fine, because in context you understand this < 1243891612 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when, for instance, you're doing research into the phonology of a language, especially an unfamiliar language, broad transcriptions are impossible < 1243891623 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you dont know what sounds the speakers distinguish and what they dont < 1243891650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks psygnisfive < 1243891654 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1243891661 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you're not sufficiently close to the acoustics/articulation, you might transcribe two words as [kæt], and the speakers can hear a difference but you're not noting it down < 1243891664 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, stop kicking me < 1243891665 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1243891668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks psygnisfive < 1243891682 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine, keep kicking me < 1243891691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1243891695 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1243891697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243891732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: RECORD IT AND I'LL KICK/UNKICK YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR WISHES < 1243891736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHA < 1243891762 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the recording, but im NOT GONNA SEND IT < 1243891764 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NYA NYA < 1243891778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks psygnisfive < 1243891783 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird does it wrong :( < 1243891787 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kick psygnisfive < 1243891802 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes D: < 1243891824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEND < 1243891896 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :patience, young padawan < 1243891926 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wellnowwhat.net/transfers/kulatukalato.wav < 1243891931 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: gayness. < 1243891960 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats with your even stress as well. < 1243891999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: in the strict pronunciation, the u is not oo enough < 1243892014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: What's the star in u̟ < 1243892023 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately english "oo" is not [u] < 1243892025 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever that blob there is < 1243892041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that's ok, I can sacrifice strict IPAness because the u in your strict one sounds ugly :) < 1243892042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not smooth < 1243892043 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its really more like [ʊu] or [ʊw] < 1243892057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd prefer [ʊu] I think < 1243892079 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: the + under a symbol means "advanced tongue root", i believe < 1243892093 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or it means "fronted" < 1243892105 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheers; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_tongue_root it seems to be indeed < 1243892109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY FUCKING GOD < 1243892113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LucasArts today announced two Monkey Island projects in the works for the Xbox 360, Wii and PC. < 1243892113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting in just a few weeks, Telltale will première the Tales of Monkey Island; a game featuring a new epic storyline that will unfold in five monthly episodes on PC and WiiWare. < 1243892118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE < 1243892123 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, fronted, sorry. < 1243892129 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atr is with a left-tack < 1243892131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WAS MATHEMATICALLY IMPROVED THAT LUCASARTS WOULD NEVER MAKE A NEW MONKEY ISLAND GAME IN LIKE 2004 < 1243892142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joy to the world \o/ < 1243892142 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 | < 1243892142 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 >\ < 1243892160 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I can't see the difference in my font :-P < 1243892166 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1243892167 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you say that's a right-tack < 1243892172 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATR is -| < 1243892177 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTR is |- < 1243892184 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "advanced"/"fronted" is + < 1243892204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD < 1243892206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RON GILBERT IS INVOLVED < 1243892211 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1243892211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE *FUCK* < 1243892221 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that's what the English /u/ is IMO, not [u] < 1243892235 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u_+? < 1243892251 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or atr u? < 1243892257 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More forward u < 1243892272 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so u_+ (using sampa, sice .. fuck ipa for now :p) < 1243892288 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, no, its not really actually. maybe in some dialects, i dont know < 1243892291 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........... < 1243892305 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in standard english /u/ is [Uu] or [Uw] < 1243892332 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: what < 1243892362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| \o/ |o/ \o| \o/ |o/ < 1243892363 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |   |   |   |   |   | < 1243892363 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |\  |\  |\ /´\  |\ /´\ < 1243892373 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: This just came to mind from when I tried to argue that Finnish 'kuu' /ku:/ and English 'moon' /mu:n/ have completely different /u/ sounds. < 1243892374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Fuck SAMPA, I've got functioning Unicode now. < 1243892394 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not much of an argument since almost nobody here knows what 'kuu' is supposed to sound like, but anyway.) < 1243892395 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: some dialects of english, some british ones i think, use [Iu] or [Iw] for /u/! < 1243892412 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so do i, but in these fonts the diacritics are hard to see < 1243892431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Þy font ſucks. < 1243892445 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: sure they're different, english /u/ isnt [u] < 1243892457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: can you rerecord with pure ipa but the u being more oo < 1243892458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "suckeÞ" < 1243892461 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: _I_ can see it, but im being a) lazy in typing, and b) kind to deewiant < 1243892471 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no. < 1243892474 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: o̘ o̙ < 1243892475 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it yourself < 1243892476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ſuckeþ < 1243892482 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Those both look pretty much identical here :-P < 1243892499 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ʃuckeθ < 1243892508 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hmm. Sure enough, they do. Wow. < 1243892511 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isnt "sucketh" at all but who cares :D < 1243892514 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1243892515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i can't say it < 1243892515 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: bc bct bfbignum chiqrsx9p choo dc echo google gregor hello num ook plot rot13 slashes yodawg < 1243892515 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Quite, and I wanted to figure out what the correct narrow transcriptions would be and somewhat failed. < 1243892518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should up the points on this some day < 1243892518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why the capital one looks _smaller_ < 1243892521 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show bct < 1243892522 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf (sending via DCC) < 1243892524 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps that dialects matter. < 1243892535 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah, bitwise cyclic tag. < 1243892559 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, capital eth? < 1243892565 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þ vs þ you mean? < 1243892569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243892584 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because capital letters in english never have descenders or ascenders and so are fixed to line height < 1243892595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'spose < 1243892597 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while lowercase eth has a descender and so is line-height + descender height < 1243892607 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I should obtain a microphone. < 1243892619 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: might i recommend a logitech usb microphone. < 1243892624 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a good mic. < 1243892626 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you might not! < 1243892630 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Step one: Car-jack someone to get to Radio Shack ... < 1243892633 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you also might, and you did. < 1243892659 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Radio shack? Never been to a country where it operates, I don't think :-P < 1243892665 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucky you. < 1243892678 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once went in there and left after they told me they only sold Windows cable. < 1243892680 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :radio shack can be pretty cool < 1243892680 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1243892681 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once went in there and left after they told me they only sold Windows cables. < 1243892689 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1243892695 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows-only USB cable < 1243892699 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only the ones that have lots of electronic hardware and stuff you can meddle with < 1243892714 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cables and housing and switches and all sorts of stuff < 1243892716 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Those still exist? < 1243892720 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: It appears that logitech makes quite a bit of microphones < 1243892740 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: well, yes and no. all the radioshacks like that are really only like that in the very far back where hardly anyone ever goes. < 1243892748 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess you were talking about the "USB Desktop Microphone", which'd set me back 22 €. < 1243892753 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1243892763 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adk, unpacking. < 1243892767 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively I could get a "Dialog 320" for 7 €. < 1243892774 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping me if you're talking to me. < 1243892792 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not knowing anything about microphones really helps here. < 1243892806 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, if I find things out I'll probably end up wanting a 200 € one. < 1243892864 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im skeptical of expensive mics < 1243892868 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine sounds great < 1243892876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you only need an expensive mic for audio work < 1243892879 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243892882 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ive heard wonderful sound out of simple phones < 1243892882 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours looks expensive from where I'm standing :-P < 1243892886 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i dont know < 1243892898 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are reading "Return to Dark Castle", a choose-your-own adventure. You read about your character seeing a path to the dark castle! The book informs you that to run away, you must turn to page 63, and to enter the castle, you must turn to page 22. < 1243892898 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To turn to page 63, turn to page 35. To turn to page 22, turn to page 3. < 1243892910 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Below that there are 9 mics, above it there are 2 before the prices start hitting 50 € and up < 1243892914 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by expensive i mean like < 1243892924 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by expensive i mean like £800 mics < 1243892924 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't know jack about the differences between any of these. < 1243892932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: :D < 1243892935 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything over £40 < 1243892938 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: :D < 1243892964 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: :D < 1243892972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament! HOW IS YOUR BANANA < 1243892977 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1243892980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BY BANANA < 1243892982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MEAN < 1243892983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRAPEFRUIT < 1243893037 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://www.dealextreme.com/products.dx/category.323 < 1243893039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: My spoon is too big. < 1243893049 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM A BANANA < 1243893049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My spoon is too big! < 1243893051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: [insert whole of Rejected] < 1243893055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY'S OVER < 1243893058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE GO HOME < 1243893062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to watch that again < 1243893066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tentatively preörders the new monkey island < 1243893076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like I am a child again! wait. < 1243893107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þou art? < 1243893146 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION creätes odd pronoünciätiöns by adding diäresis everywhere that he can. < 1243893175 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: s/pronounciation/pronunciation/ < 1243893178 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know how to pronounce "non" < 1243893184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: pre-order < 1243893187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ preörder < 1243893202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deëwiänt: Shut up. < 1243893205 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But eo isn't a diphtong :P < 1243893209 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1243893210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I know that. I just am having some fun. < 1243893217 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Diphthong" < 1243893246 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dip-thong < 1243893249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahahah. Noün. < 1243893265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me smile. With gleë. < 1243893315 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gleë is the weirdest yet < 1243893323 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gleh-eh < 1243893324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weïrd. < 1243893327 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that the reason english lacks diacritics is not because it has no use for them < 1243893330 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weh-ird < 1243893332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: dude < 1243893337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know what the ¨ is for in english < 1243893338 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: English does NOT lack diacritics. < 1243893339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wierd < 1243893340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has it dammit < 1243893342 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because "gle" is somewhat unpronouncable < 1243893343 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite the contrary, english has over a dozen vowels, we could use some diacritics < 1243893344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we love it < 1243893346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preëmptive < 1243893354 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be so nave. < 1243893355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Dude, we're in the middle of a conversatiön aboüt English diäcritics. < 1243893365 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, but you're wrong, english has no diacritics in standard usage :P < 1243893374 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How the hell do you pronounce "conversatee-on" P < 1243893374 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¨ doesn't really count < 1243893375 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1243893383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're in use. Just not the norm. < 1243893386 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I always write nave. < 1243893386 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because noone really uses it in normal orthography < 1243893395 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even when people do, its precisely in that word < 1243893399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: naîve? < 1243893399 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naïve < 1243893400 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Fine, then. Rôle? < 1243893400 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: conversayshee-on < 1243893414 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now granted, english might borrow the diacritics from other languages < 1243893416 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats one thing < 1243893426 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: None of the examples we've given are borrowed. < 1243893433 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean real proper diacritics, not just orthographic holdovers from borrowings. < 1243893438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I gave one. < 1243893441 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, GregorR-L naive is borrowed. < 1243893443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rôle. < 1243893444 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HOW DARE OYU < 1243893452 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know this word rôle < 1243893465 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A role (sometimes spelled rôle as in French) or a social role is a set of connected behaviors, rights and obligations as conceptualized by actors in a social situation. It is an expected behavior in a given individual social status and social position. It is vital to both functionalist and interactionist understandings of society." < 1243893468 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BORROWING < 1243893469 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving along < 1243893471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DARE YOÜ! < 1243893477 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naïve hails from French naïf < 1243893500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haïls, yoü meän? < 1243893507 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't. < 1243893514 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason english lacks diacritics is because the printed orthography was designed back in the 1400s or whatever by a guy who was trained by the dutch printmakers < 1243893517 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So yeah, if you want a mega-cheap microphone, the site I linked is goody :P < 1243893522 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dutch, ofcourse, lacks diacritics as well < 1243893531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: For Middle English, no less. < 1243893542 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: That's because Dutch is English pronounced with a funny accent. < 1243893546 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so we get out diacriticlessness from dutch diacriticlessness < 1243893550 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: god isnt it < 1243893554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goöd. < 1243893557 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and FORGET west frisian < 1243893568 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :west frisian has very english-like phonology < 1243893584 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Yeah, but again I have no idea if they're any good or not :-P < 1243893584 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, west frisian is, aside from the daughter languages, the closest relative of english < 1243893599 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get random-ass mics here as well < 1243893602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, other than Scots etc. < 1243893606 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The reviews on that page are uncensored. If a product is crap, the reviews will SAY its crap. < 1243893615 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english and the frisian languages form a language group called Anglo-Frisian < 1243893648 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* GregorR-L doesn't know how to pronounce "noün" <-- try a peter sellers impression < 1243893671 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up West Frisian. < 1243893673 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, ehird, are you able to locate dialects? < 1243893677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1243893681 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1243893692 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if i gave you an audio sample you couldnt be like < 1243893693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy fuck. It's like English that went through a different vowel shift. < 1243893702 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: It's not so much 'is it crap' as it is 'how does it compare to non-random offerings'. < 1243893708 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh hes from leeds" or whatever? < 1243893722 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: its like english that didnt go though a vowel shift at all. < 1243893760 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bread butter and green cheese is good english and good frees :D < 1243893780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well maybe cockney i could detect < 1243893786 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1243893787 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1243893788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Nah, it seems to have had a few vowels shifted. < 1243893796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a *few* vowels, not a Great Vowel Shift. < 1243893801 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"noün" -> "no-youun"? < 1243893801 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dialect im curious about is charles stross's < 1243893806 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pronounced) < 1243893814 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I horribly wrong? < 1243893833 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stross pronounces /iɹ/ as /ɛ:/ which is very interesting < 1243893851 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "year" is like "yearn" minus the n for him < 1243893868 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas for mean "year" is "ear" with a y at the front < 1243893886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: the vowel in "year" is shorter than in "ear" for me < 1243893890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise I pronounce much like you < 1243893902 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it might be shorted, thats fine < 1243893907 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :length isnt important < 1243893911 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the quality that is < 1243893934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what SHE said < 1243893947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps he, in your case < 1243893967 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says you're a fag < 1243893987 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with him on that. < 1243893994 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/account/profile_image/levarburton?hreflang=en < 1243894002 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me or does levar burton look weird without the visor < 1243894014 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring the weight hes put on, ofcourse. < 1243894422 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is writing a bfjoust debugger in javascript < 1243894438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: I was planning to do that, but never got around to it; so you'll likely do better than me < 1243894439 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: Swt. < 1243894453 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shall we all race? :P < 1243894466 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already have a working ruby prototype for this one < 1243894469 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it lacks UI < 1243894476 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i enjoy the fact that i can completely fuck up vowels, turning /Or\/ into /eIr\/ or something < 1243894485 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all it does is make it sound irish < 1243894486 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243894486 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i noticed that with javascript it would be easier to do a nice UI < 1243894487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: an esolang-related anecdote about monkey island: one of the staff at the small company making it is on the esolang wiki < 1243894500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, interesting < 1243894500 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wonders of phonology and dialect perception < 1243894502 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1243894515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1243894524 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : Whom! < 1243894528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: don't reacll < 1243894529 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is his language? < 1243894533 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a beautiful thing, the phonological mapping < 1243894581 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thong of booty! < 1243894601 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lawl < 1243894610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1243894612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'm wrong < 1243894622 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Perhaps your FACE is wrong. < 1243894692 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Nom nom nom < 1243894694 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :77 +++++++++++[>+++++++>+++>++++++++++>+<<<<-]>+.>>+.--.<-.>+.+.--.<.>+.+.--.>-. [309] < 1243895107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Avast, ye scurvy sea-dogs and welcome to the motley crew of the good ship Pre-Order. I'll wager you've got booty on your mangy minds and we here at Telltale don't aim to disappoint you on that score. So lend me your pox-ridden ears and I'll tell you a tale of king's ransom in ill-begotten goods and services that be setting sail in your direction even as we speak!" < 1243895165 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243895309 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmph.i really want to experiment with a programming language that has type-driven parsing. :| < 1243895493 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm this would be so much easier if there wasn't (...)*N and a bit easier if there wasn't (...{...}...)%N < 1243895508 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: YA I NO < 1243895538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds Western Frysian really interesting still < 1243895619 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243895630 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Add an interpreter for Western Frysian to EgoBot. >_> :P < 1243895656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I'm not about to do natural language parsing. < 1243895674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about adding an English language, which just asks in #IRP and waits for the answer? < 1243895687 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even something that understands Western Frisian would be stunning. :p < 1243895706 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why not? natural language parsing is fun :D < 1243895722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That reminds me. I should paste some code from CAL in #irp. :p < 1243895733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not now, though < 1243895734 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural language syntax is such a pain in the ass, man < 1243895735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to go home < 1243895735 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unnatural language processing is easier though < 1243895756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243895904 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243896049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I found the single most evil Osmosian line. < 1243896070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The osmosian font source is a hex string equal to ' ... Cue hundreds of lines of hex. < 1243896208 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243896260 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSMOOOOOSIAN! < 1243896596 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp swedish sh chef | xargs echo < 1243896596 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter swedish installed. < 1243896603 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Now I can speak Swedish! < 1243896605 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noo I cun speek Svedeesh! Bork Bork Bork! < 1243896656 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243896658 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Oh yeah? < 1243896659 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeeh? Bork Bork Bork! < 1243896662 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp godblessamerica sh dubya | xargs echo < 1243896662 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish derp derp < 1243896663 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter godblessamerica installed. < 1243896663 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp derp < 1243896672 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!godblessamerica I can also speak American. < 1243896673 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can also speak American. < 1243896676 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243896680 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Oh yeah pinch my nipples < 1243896681 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeeh peench my neepples < 1243896686 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hawt < 1243896690 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But needs more bork < 1243896708 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write it :P < 1243896755 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish a e i o u < 1243896756 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a i i oo u < 1243896777 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish bork bork bork < 1243896777 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burk bork bork < 1243896796 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Something swedish < 1243896796 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sumetheeng svedeesh < 1243896804 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Sumetheeng svedeesh < 1243896804 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soomezeeeng sfedeesh < 1243896811 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Soomezeeeng sfedeesh < 1243896812 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suumezeeeng sffedeesh < 1243896812 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish En riktig svensk mening då? < 1243896813 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp brit sh cockney | xargs echo < 1243896813 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :En reektig sfensk meneeng då? Bork Bork Bork! < 1243896813 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter brit installed. < 1243896820 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brit Hello, world! < 1243896821 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option < 1243896824 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1243896838 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Suumezeeeng sffedeesh < 1243896838 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soooomezeeeng sffffedeesh < 1243896850 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Soooomezeeeng sffffedeesh < 1243896851 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suuuumezeeeng sffffffffedeesh < 1243896856 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sfffffffffffffffffffff < 1243896863 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck pronouncing that < 1243896871 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brit Hello, world! < 1243896872 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Allo, world! Right! < 1243896971 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Hey AnMaster, we can understand each other now! < 1243896972 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey UnMester, ve-a cun understund iech oozeer noo! Bork Bork Bork! < 1243896981 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243896986 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UnMester < 1243897009 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, say things < 1243897010 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: it has those wierd angles? whats wrong with you! :) < 1243897019 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish it has those wierd angles? whats wrong with you! :) < 1243897020 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hes thuse-a veeerd ungles? vhets vrung veet yuoo! :) < 1243897025 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefly why "good luck"? < 1243897032 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sfffffffffffffffff" < 1243897037 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somezeng sfedeesh is perfectly fine in english. < 1243897051 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :di eggduche < 1243897069 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More, fungot < 1243897069 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: oh really? let's see your sources then, hate her or love her songs!! he sounds like they're attempting to), this movie < 1243897071 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sf" is a perfectly acceptable consonant cluster in english. < 1243897084 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are some good command-line chatbots? < 1243897089 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern, learning ones. < 1243897091 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot, say something that would be hilarious in swedish < 1243897249 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does fungot use? < 1243897250 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: first no? ::p a cool one in it < 1243897256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:35 pikhq: ais523: That reminds me. I should paste some code from CAL in #irp. :p < 1243897258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAL? rings a bell < 1243897386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:56 GregorR-L: !swedish Hey AnMaster, we can understand each other now! < 1243897386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:56 EgoBot: Hey UnMester, ve-a cun understund iech oozeer noo! Bork Bork Bork! < 1243897389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is so not british english < 1243897394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: can commands interact with irc? < 1243897399 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes. < 1243897407 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Wait, define "interact" < 1243897414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: can they join another channel, say something, then look at responses < 1243897422 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not easily :P < 1243897748 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243897818 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, one cannot just download the kooky-bot < 1243897905 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1243898101 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: ? < 1243898133 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: kooky is a chatterbot based on markov chains. it's pretty hilarious with very large sets of data < 1243898152 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm feeding the entire #esoteric log into MegaHAL. < 1243898168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1243898169 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube* < 1243898172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: boring < 1243898174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot already does it < 1243898174 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'm glad to see a face in the nalts household) it has to do with anything? < 1243898177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or close enough < 1243898185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: and we've had dedicated markov bots before < 1243898188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also optbot < 1243898219 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah I know, but I want to add something to EgoBot and I can't think of anything else to do :P < 1243898270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeäh, I can seë how that'd be hard to think of. < 1243898301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: [[^irp Say "Hello".]] → EgoBot in #irp says [[Say "EGOBOT48572", then a space, followed by the results of the following: Say "Hello".]], waits for response with that unique ticket for, say, 30 minutes, then gives back the reply or timeout < 1243898321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone suggested basically that before < 1243898327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thus my question about commands interacting with IRC) < 1243898339 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That's dumb :P < 1243898349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: why? < 1243898352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an IRP interpreter! < 1243898384 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's your FACE. < 1243898409 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An IRP interpreter, or dumb? < 1243898418 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both 8-D < 1243898458 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm feeling evul today :\ < 1243898464 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, yesterday < 1243898491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing really < 1243898513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird: Yeah I know, but I want to add something to EgoBot and I can't think of anything else to do :P < 1243898516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1243898516 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1243898519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243898524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good work < 1243898526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf_txtgen is the only general command? :D < 1243898528 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:21:31] same thing really < 1243898530 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for me < 1243898532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1243898536 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were refering to the time < 1243898538 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I couldn't think of anywhere to put it :P < 1243898547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is !bf_txtgen general < 1243898552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1243898554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be! < 1243898555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243898560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: language < 1243898562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1243898564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a new section: utilities < 1243898568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, ^ < 1243898573 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: For only one utility? < 1243898579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Why not! < 1243898586 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Write me three more utilities :P < 1243898592 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything needs a utility-box for stuff that is too hard to put somewhere meaningful < 1243898614 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is #IRP full of people not present here < 1243898616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Add scramble/unscramble from fungot in there < 1243898616 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what s the name of the accident you're talking about there ex husbands. < 1243898622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: The uncultured swine. < 1243898630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swines < 1243898632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swini < 1243898650 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble eggs < 1243898651 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egsg < 1243898658 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble egsg < 1243898659 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eggs < 1243898673 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble some stuff < 1243898673 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sm tffuseo < 1243898674 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble ffff < 1243898674 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffff < 1243898686 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble ffff < 1243898686 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffff < 1243898686 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1243898688 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WORKS < 1243898691 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243898717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: < 1243898719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show scramble < 1243898719 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1243898720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show unscramble < 1243898721 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[.[-]>[>]<[.[-]<[<]]>] < 1243898725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble scramble < 1243898725 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srmlebac < 1243898727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show srmlebac < 1243898728 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1243898730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble unscramble < 1243898731 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uenlsbcmra < 1243898733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show uenlsbcmra < 1243898734 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterp scramble bf >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1243898734 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[.[-]>[>]<[.[-]<[<]]>] < 1243898738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: UTILITY < 1243898739 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp scramble bf >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1243898740 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter scramble installed. < 1243898741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not userinterp :P < 1243898750 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Such a waste of effort to do it that way :P < 1243898755 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add combinator logic on strings, such that CIMLHello World outputs some mess :) < 1243898759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Make userinterps categorizable < 1243898770 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp scramble < 1243898771 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter scramble deleted. < 1243898805 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add the ability to send input to userinterps. < 1243898810 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Those that have some kind of delimiter) < 1243898821 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not sure how :P < 1243898841 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243899095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: simply append the delimiter... < 1243899111 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, that's not the difficult part. < 1243899127 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Figuring out how I want users to tell EgoBot that is the hard part. < 1243899144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that was what i was answering < 1243899154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply append the delimiter < 1243899158 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... to what? < 1243899163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the solution to everything < 1243899165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the program < 1243899166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply append the delimiter < 1243899182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, include it < 1243899195 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: !addinterp name language code < 1243899207 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Where does the delimiter go. Where does it /not/ go. < 1243899212 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and code ends with the delimiter < 1243899219 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well that just makes no sense. < 1243899228 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is EgoBot written in? < 1243899228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it makes sense < 1243899235 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Various. < 1243899239 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!info < 1243899239 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is a bot for running programs in esoteric programming languages. If you'd like to add support for your language to EgoBot, check out the source via mercurial at https://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/ . Cheers and patches (preferably hg bundles) can be sent to Richards@codu.org , PayPal donations can be sent to AKAQuinn@hotmail.com , complaints can be sent to /dev/null < 1243899241 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the main bot < 1243899248 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bf, for example, that means you just cat together the code and the input < 1243899249 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C and shell < 1243899256 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1243899265 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm talking about input /to/ userinterps. < 1243899271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: is that paypal donation thing serious :P < 1243899280 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: If you feel like donating it is ;) < 1243899287 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy < 1243899292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: how about 1 cent < 1243899312 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just separate code and input with a null < 1243899325 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What about languages where null are legit code? < 1243899345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: you can't send a null over irc < 1243899346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's bunk < 1243899354 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You can send a null over http < 1243899358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1243899370 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those languages suck :P < 1243899372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, ew, nulls < 1243899390 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, coppro: Also, it would suck because it would be nice to use an interpreter as-written, many of which use '!' < 1243899394 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For e.g. BF) < 1243899400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butt < 1243899407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: hm oh right, for adding input to userinterp programs you want to add the programs themselves as nested userinterps < 1243899416 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Exactly < 1243899438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you do _that_, you just put the delimiter at the end of the code < 1243899466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when running the nested userinterp, you just concatenate the code with the input < 1243899472 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: oh btw it would be nice if the bfjoust report file wouldn't be overwritten until the new one is complete < 1243899477 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243899487 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose one possible way would be: !addinterp name lang separator code separator input ? < 1243899512 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The userinterp is sent as an /argument/ to the real interp, the input to that is sent as ... well, input. The delimiter is not on the userinterp's code, it's on its input < 1243899533 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: Bleh bleh bleh everybody's complained about that one, get on the bandwagon :P < 1243899544 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: haha didn't know < 1243899557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: nested userinterps need to use a different convention < 1243899723 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Let me illustrate with an example. I write a BF interpreter in BF. I save it as bf.bf. I run egobfi8 bf.bf. Putting a '!' at the end of bf.bf is totally useless, since the BF code is sent as input to egobfi8 bf.bf. However, what delimiter is necessary is a property of bf.bf. So it's necessary to provide with bf.bf the particular delimiter, but it actually goes as input. < 1243899756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: What are you drying toa dd < 1243899758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to add < 1243899763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... i see < 1243899823 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Some way of specifying for userinterps what delimiter they use between code and input. < 1243899837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: What? Why < 1243899843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes no sense, I mean what? < 1243899846 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: So you can write userinterps in userinterps. < 1243899858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and has anyone ever wanted to do this? < 1243899867 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet :P < 1243899871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Just add a delimiter argument to addinterp < 1243899882 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: But it can't just be part of !addinterp, since not all userinterps have any such delimiter. < 1243899906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: add a special value < 1243899910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"none" < 1243899911 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:38:06] I suppose one possible way would be: !addinterp name lang separator code separator input ? < 1243899925 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't notice that. < 1243899925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: !addinput lang separator code, you mean. < 1243899927 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. the separator could be defined for each new interpreter < 1243899930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*addinterp < 1243899935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: !addinterp name lang separator code, you mean. < 1243899935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1243899942 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I suppose < 1243899942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp name2 name none blah < 1243899943 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter name does not exist! < 1243899945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!name2 butt < 1243899949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1243899960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lang name 'separator' name < 1243899961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1243899962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lang name 'separator' name2 < 1243899963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or w/e < 1243899988 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nom nom nom. < 1243900075 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble bob < 1243900076 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbo < 1243900082 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble ab < 1243900082 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab < 1243900086 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1243900125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abcde < 1243900125 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acedb < 1243900144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithm: < 1243900149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write letter, write next letter, move to middle. < 1243900156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse: take letter, take end letter, append to result. < 1243900158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abbbb < 1243900159 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abbbb < 1243900173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abbba < 1243900173 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ababb < 1243900183 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble abcdefg < 1243900183 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbfced < 1243900190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 0123456789 < 1243900190 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0246897531 < 1243900206 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, the unscramble one < 1243900208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abbib < 1243900208 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abbib < 1243900230 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was the VG ("quite good") exercise on a test a previous class had < 1243900239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Really? < 1243900240 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But.. in Java < 1243900244 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1243900249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I "invented" scramble a year or two ago. < 1243900256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unscramble just being its decoder. < 1243900264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very elegant method. < 1243900277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it repeats itself ... after length factorial iterations, I think. oerjan? < 1243900280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it more subtle than that < 1243900302 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1,2,3,4,5,6 blir 1,6,2,5,3,4 oberoende på ursprungsordningen" < 1243900312 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore the swedish, it should be pretty clear anyways < 1243900320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1243900352 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really nervous for my programming test tomorrow :D < 1243900356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some factor of length factorial < 1243900375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some sequence in the integer encyclopedia < 1243900417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the numbers fit, although it wasn't immediately obvious why the definition should... < 1243900427 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243900443 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I just copied the example, with a more elaborate description above it < 1243900494 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, ah, nvm < 1243900598 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, the highest grade exercise for the same test is: Create a class representing a dice, it's constructor taking the amount of sides as a parameter. Create a method to throw this dice a number of times, returning an int array of it's results." < 1243900612 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it, and we have 100 minutes to do it < 1243900720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... Trivial. < 1243900734 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed :P < 1243900757 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually considering doing the exercise we get in both Java and some esolang, if it's as trivial as that < 1243900797 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: And writing the esolang interpreter in Java, of course :P