< 1244247465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/255161 < 1244247478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's funny reading that thread, seeing all the guesses people made as to what was going wrong) < 1244247578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does cups even use file(1)? < 1244247788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is almost certainly the real WTF < 1244247903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: I just checked my full Oxford English Dictionary collection. Gullible is in there. <-- from when is that < 1244247906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be recent < 1244247918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ↑ < 1244247920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMGROFLBBQ < 1244247977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't remember having said that. I might have. Would have been like at least half a year ago. < 1244247982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not more. < 1244247986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dies laughing
< 1244248010 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: as for cups using file, it may be deciding how to print it < 1244248015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I guess < 1244248025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is so funny < 1244248033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: *snigger* < 1244248052 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:English_adjectives perhaps < 1244248057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm half asleep already. I understand jokes even less than usually now < 1244248066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :converting plain text files to postscript, e.g. < 1244248068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teehehehheheeeeeeeee < 1244248099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : apparently, it's confusing Erlang files with PostScript files created on Tuesdays <-- uh... For file(1) or what? < 1244248113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :................ < 1244248127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are intractable. < 1244248130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: read a couple of lines up < 1244248131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he was merely explaining what you would have said if you had been present < 1244248135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244248150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. JAM file? < 1244248153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is old < 1244248154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very old < 1244248155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lololol < 1244248157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"explaining" < 1244248166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never seen an Erlang JAM file in fact < 1244248189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointing out, then < 1244248276 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244248302 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallollah < 1244248306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since ages Erlang uses the BEAM VM. JAM VM is very very very old < 1244248314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Sun workstation old < 1244248320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1994 or so possibly < 1244248326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: no, no, it's hall-eluj-ah < 1244248331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1244248340 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if im palindroming "hallo"! < 1244248467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g, nim' ord'n i lap. < 1244248650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ...? < 1244248694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: go to bed, your brain is clearly not working :D < 1244248739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never works! < 1244248740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that isn't normal English (insert plain English joke here) < 1244248769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't find a way to make it normal english < 1244248781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kept slipping, slipping... out of reach < 1244248806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will not guarantee his brain is working either
< 1244248810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, tell me when you are sane instead. < 1244248816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1244248819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scratch that < 1244248826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ask me again in a couple years < 1244248835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me when you are less insane and more parsable? < 1244248842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spelling for last word?) < 1244248852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i parsable perfectly fines < 1244248905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now my compiler no longer outputs most of the unused macros if they aren't used < 1244248914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in() and out() < 1244248919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1244248921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in() and o() < 1244248932 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does output the unused macros if they are used, i hope < 1244248941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ha < 1244248953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because then they are used macros being used < 1244248955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1244248966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks around shiftily
< 1244248980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no no, that is another pass. < 1244248982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shifter < 1244248997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha: http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=gullible&action=history < 1244248999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks around shiftily while doing a gnome sort < 1244249001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rotates around himself
< 1244249002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's now on permanent semiprotection < 1244249023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is the controversy over that word?... < 1244249027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to see the issue < 1244249097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't tell him < 1244249098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, just lots of random spam? < 1244249100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great continuous fun < 1244249103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a fake word that someone invented < 1244249110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i said DON'T TELL HIM < 1244249126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you are so mean sometimes < 1244249127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, aren't all words originally < 1244249159 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: maybe! < 1244249173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, most words develop from older words through regular sound changes < 1244249184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes. But *originally* < 1244249185 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said originally < 1244249203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, somehow the first older sound must have got started somehow < 1244249217 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of words also have onomatopoeic qualities < 1244249221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well those were obviously onomatopo.. < 1244249228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what psygnisfive said < 1244249237 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho some arent! < 1244249250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are lots of invented words. Like lots of terms in computer context. < 1244249258 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of shakespeare. < 1244249261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some were based on previous terms used for other stuff yes < 1244249272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is only because the original onomatopoeia have been obscured through sound changes < 1244249273 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of modern english was invented by shakespeare as nonce words! < 1244249287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qux! < 1244249288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about the word "house" < 1244249299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a way that could be onomatopoeic, nor it's base. < 1244249309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's obviously a very old word < 1244249313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is clearly related to the Swedish "hus" < 1244249322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not old < 1244249326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1244249330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably similiar in other Germanic languages < 1244249338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sure. But somewhere it must have started < 1244249345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just asking about the trace < 1244249348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish and english probably were not distinct 1500 years ago < 1244249349 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proto-germanic *khusan < 1244249351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so < 1244249354 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of unknown origin! < 1244249371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Swedish/Nordic and English did influence each other certainly < 1244249376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm well aware of this < 1244249382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not related to romance "casa" then? < 1244249388 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1244249399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haus probably derives from a shape name; < 1244249404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hut type shape... trapezoid < 1244249408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Try "common ancestor". < 1244249409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of thing < 1244249419 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be related to casa tho. < 1244249426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes they do have that. But they also influenced each other after that < 1244249439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. Old Norse influences. < 1244249446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus things like Beowulf. < 1244249452 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old english and old norse were mutually intelligible. < 1244249452 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::T < 1244249463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Knew that. < 1244249473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Vikings for example. And the other way too. These days we tend to copy English term instead < 1244249488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the Late Latin word casa (cottage, small humble dwelling, hut) < 1244249492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tape" has turned into "tejp", and that is rather recent iirc. < 1244249497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it's also unknown... < 1244249500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, they had kinda split off not too long ago in the days of Old English... < 1244249502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of other examples < 1244249562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tejp is a modern borrowing from english, surely < 1244249570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, as I said yes < 1244249571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1244249572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1244249593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck I'm going for ehird here: >_< < 1244249594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1244249594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1244249601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/for// < 1244249627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw about "gullible": http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=gullible < 1244249643 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the rock/paper/scissors of annoying responses < 1244249658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is: ">_<"? < 1244249664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean < 1244249685 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rock/paper/scissors/lizard/spock < 1244249723 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if you respond to me like ehird does to you... < 1244249733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm < 1244249735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that's backward < 1244249737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anyway. < 1244249739 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_> < 1244249754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, Visit a doctor? < 1244249756 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you should get those eyes checked by < 1244249759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1244249763 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1244249780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I said it first. < 1244249781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244249788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus dammit < 1244249801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, next time I should try to say "dammit" before you too < 1244249802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1244249816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :following ais523's example < 1244249818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently < 1244249822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ais523 suggested something like that *dammit* < 1244249834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :D < 1244249858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you must not make me laugh out loud, people are sleeping in the next room. < 1244249872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and learn to type faster ;P < 1244249875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1244249881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION catches everyone relevant in a butterfly net -----\XXXXX/
< 1244249888 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to have fallen out of my touch typing < 1244249890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts them back down again out of sympathy
< 1244249906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bursts off his butterfly wings
< 1244249906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about touch typing... < 1244249910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice I can touch type on irc < 1244249915 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1244249916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I play a game < 1244249918 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brushes < 1244249920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I have to type random keys < 1244249924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like say, in nethack < 1244249930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail horribly at touch typing < 1244249934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to look to see where the key is < 1244249938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is rather strange < 1244249955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it normal? < 1244249961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1244249964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need to look at the keys but i no longer have optimal hand positions < 1244249973 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pretty normal < 1244249997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience, it is irritating if it is dark and you need to reach up to turn on the lamp to see where you want to go < 1244250000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty normal, but not for programmers. < 1244250023 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i learned about typing when i made the switch to dvorak is < 1244250023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well I can touch type C too < 1244250023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Erlang < 1244250023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similiar < 1244250023 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seem to be a few different "stages" of typing < 1244250023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... That's just weird. < 1244250026 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first was just having to look of course < 1244250031 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after that it was a letter at a time < 1244250036 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. i would think of the letter, recall where it was, and type it < 1244250047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience, I passed that ages ago < 1244250069 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would get me up to around 40wpm i think < 1244250075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I touch type English, Swedish, C, Erlang, Bash and possible a few other langs < 1244250075 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after that comes what i think of as "phrase at a time" typing < 1244250090 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you aren't thinking of the individual letters < 1244250106 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, especially if you know more than one keyboard layout, individual letter recall starts to get difficult < 1244250115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience, I haven't looked at the keyboard for about 5 minutes or so I think. When I last used the mouse. < 1244250118 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can type qwerty or dvorak at speeds up to 100wpm i guess < 1244250120 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on any keyboard < 1244250127 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't stop and immediately recall individual keys < 1244250130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwerty only though for me :/ < 1244250145 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably could when i only knew qwerty < 1244250160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1244250161 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my the letter recall is out of conscious thought now, i think < 1244250173 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can be in "dvorak mode" or "qwerty mode" and my fingers pretty much go where they need to without me directing them < 1244250174 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244250186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I moved my hands off the keyboard. And did some other stuff, I didn't look on keyboard again when I started typing just now < 1244250191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I moved the chair too < 1244250215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I probably know this keyboard shape very well. Having used it so much that there isn't a lot of text left on the keys any more < 1244250229 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1244250232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the less used ones still have faded letters on it < 1244250237 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :environmental association plays a big role too < 1244250244 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot for the life of me touch type qwerty on my home keyboard < 1244250252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but especially s and e seems worn out. < 1244250253 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can do it anywhere but home < 1244250275 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i rearranged the keys into qwerty i could probably keep myself in qwerty mode by glancing at the keyboard to refresh myself < 1244250278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience, I can't type at all on anything smaller than full size PC keyboard < 1244250282 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't want to, because of the very thing you are talking about: < 1244250284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan getting a split keyboard < 1244250288 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :individual key recall < 1244250293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that would reduce the size issue < 1244250312 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd probably use a split keyboard if i could get one that i could rearrange the keycaps on without them getting all lumpy < 1244250319 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they made one with the model m keyswitches < 1244250319 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244250368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience, well I'm large. In all possible meanings of large. Large hands. Tall (189.6 cm). Wide shoulders. I find full sized PC keyboard small. < 1244250380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usable yes, but only just. < 1244250393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptop keyboards are a pain < 1244250429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding large enough mice is too. < 1244251149 0 :immibis!i=7deefcce@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9871f8a49662f65a JOIN :#esoteric < 1244251195 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know of an email service where you can make sufficiently complex email filters to program with them? < 1244251278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, your own mail server? < 1244251297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since sendmail's config is in m4 iirc I guess it could be done for sendmail at least < 1244251320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess you meant web mail or similiar < 1244251340 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244251573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmix (KDE frontend for alsamixer) fails. It can't handle more than one sound card... < 1244251583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something I'm actually trying to use now < 1244251609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait now it works... < 1244251648 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it doesn't work on minutes divisible by 13 < 1244251663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is just saying
< 1244251677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, maybe it doesn't handle if you just modprobed the kernel module for the other sound card :P < 1244251683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to be restarted then < 1244251707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how booooring < 1244251821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out how to tell anything else which sound card to use...
< 1244251823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: is the name really Rub_y_ On Conveyor Belts? < 1244251824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems hard... < 1244251844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, context... < 1244251848 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... < 1244251861 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a really, really, really to the power of a googalplex, bad pun... < 1244251875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, I know what Ruby on Rails i < 1244251877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is* < 1244251884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooh < 1244251887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just no clue why oerjan is making a joke about that right now < 1244251888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244251912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the wiki page title says RubE but the text says RubY < 1244251926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, which wiki page < 1244251943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Sure I know what RUBE is < 1244251949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not why it was mentioned right now < 1244251953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/RubE_On_Conveyor_Belts < 1244251968 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it does < 1244251969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because immibis just edited it < 1244251988 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed < 1244251998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, I would like a copy of the interpreter that runs on POSIX < 1244251999 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and technically i edited it 5-10 minutes ago < 1244252004 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have one < 1244252009 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i made it for windows < 1244252018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, why did you write it in unportable C then :P < 1244252032 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses winapi to update the window with the current state of the program < 1244252038 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only unportable thing i think < 1244252039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1244252053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, is that split into a separate frontend module or such? < 1244252062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be easy to replace with some other C code < 1244252160 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and Sleep also from winapi < 1244252186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just replace that with nanosleep() or usleep() or similiar? < 1244252194 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i could < 1244252201 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i wouldn't be able to compile it because i'm on windows :P < 1244252232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, cygwin tends to be easier to get working than WINE IME. < 1244252277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, plus of course you can. Windows *does* implement POSIX. Assuming you install the right stuff < 1244252329 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/wfdjbs/myesolang.cpp < 1244252347 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made it ages ago so sorry if it isn't very good code < 1244252358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, C++? Urgh < 1244252358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1244252375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, anyway how does this program differ from normal RUBE? < 1244252392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't be arsed to compare instruction for instruction < 1244252475 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, apart from the symbols used. It was based on an online game called Rubicon (http://kevan.org/rubicon/) < 1244252553 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is turing complete because you can put any bf program in the "control program" (using o for output) and have the main program just copy its input (control program's output) to its output (final output) < 1244252559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rubicon was based on RUBE < 1244252563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I imagine they'd be similar < 1244253218 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is the score returned by Egobot's !bfjoust calculated? < 1244253259 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm found it < 1244253269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs
< 1244253290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems impossible to make ffplay use anything but the first sound card for output < 1244253834 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244254103 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If it actually uses SDL for audio output (the man page just says "FFmpeg libraries and the SDL library") you should be able to use something like "SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa AUDIODEV=hw:1 ffplay ..." to make it use that alsa device. < 1244254268 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least here "AUDIODEF=iec958 ffplay ..." seems to make it use the digital output. And "AUDIODEV=blergh ffplay ..." => "ALSA lib pcm.c:2211:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM blergh". So something like that should work for card-select-o-trification. < 1244254291 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/DEF/DEV/ in there. < 1244254330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244254372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1244254377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setting those env vars < 1244254380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it segfault < 1244254423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm AUDIODEV=default:CARD=V8237 works < 1244254445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm trying to use the onboard one to be able to use the front panel audio connectors for some stuff < 1244254445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1244254451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s/ſ/g s/ſ /s /g s/ſſ/ſs/g s/ſf/sf/g < 1244254453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs
< 1244254470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, good thing I still have that script loaded. < 1244254489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That seems like really dumb sed to you, doesn't it? < 1244254526 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is that? < 1244254528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I know what happened though due to having it mark the lines as "[GT]" (meaning GregorR Tainted). < 1244254529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244254533 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed? < 1244254540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, yes < 1244254541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO < 1244254548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: Yeþ. < 1244254589 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show gregor < 1244254589 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh sed 's/þ/th/g ; s/Þ/Th/g ; s/ſ/s/g ; s/æ/ae/g ; s/Æ/Ae/g ; s/œ/oe/g ; s/Œ/Oe/g' < 1244254674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is very odd < 1244254691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would one sound card give less low freq sounds < 1244254694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than another < 1244254704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same headphones < 1244254728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these are high quality headphones. < 1244254887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is pointless I have to use the hard to reach one at the back of the computer < 1244254889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for best sound < 1244255164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One sound card, I assume, has a terrible DAC? < 1244255171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it has a bass/treble setting. < 1244255373 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or its a crappy soundcard. < 1244255375 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or its broken < 1244255376 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... < 1244255453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where is that SDL_* thing documented < 1244255464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked. But I would like to know the source of that < 1244255475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been able to find it in SDL docs < 1244255909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1244256147 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1244256205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1244256342 0 :immibis!i=7deefcce@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6a0032bad1e269d6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244256743 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone devised a reliable speed test for brainfuck interpreters? < 1244256872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of one < 1244258083 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so guys < 1244258087 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had an idea last night/this morning < 1244258124 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was? < 1244258135 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mandelbrot, etc < 1244258151 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the idea was for a esolang built to look vaguely like a genome. < 1244258168 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say vaguely because it doesnt look really all that much like a genome at all < 1244258169 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1244258169 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244258312 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simplest version has a collection of "genes", essentially triples (ON, OFF, SIGNAL) < 1244258341 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each ON, OFF, and SIGNAL is a set of numbers < 1244258362 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also a global signal environment which is a set of numbers < 1244258393 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gene turns "on" when its ON set is a subset of the signal environment, at which point the gene's SIGNAL set is added to the signal environment < 1244258420 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gene turns "off" when its OFF set is a subset of the signal environment, at which point its signals are removed from the signal environment. < 1244258447 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a signal is in the signal environment if any gene with that signal is on, and is not in the environment if no gene with that signal is on < 1244258544 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inb4 "We get signal" < 1244258559 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1244258565 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAIN SCREEN TURN ON < 1244258584 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first program written should output "All your base are belong to us!" < 1244258615 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we'll have to figure out how to do that :D < 1244258630 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also just realized what your username means. < 1244258654 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really? < 1244258664 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people go their entire irc lives without thinking about it < 1244258671 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just assume i'm a girl with a weirdly spelled name < 1244258672 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244258675 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. i'd been saying it as if it were IPA < 1244258679 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or roughly so < 1244258686 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meen-dzee < 1244258690 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but NO < 1244258691 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not! < 1244258695 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its MINDS EYE < 1244258697 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i guess with all the language silliness in here, the statistical probability is higher < 1244258707 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, im also a linguist. :P < 1244258711 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho < 1244258719 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only met one guy who got it "immediately" < 1244258721 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mün sie < 1244258731 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was doing some business with him and had e-mailed him some file < 1244258742 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time i met him he was like hey, is your e-mail this? < 1244258750 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs helplessly
< 1244258766 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, he probably thinks that the way its spelled is phonetic, too! < 1244258788 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fun anecdote about people assuming my gender on irc: < 1244258799 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dalnet had this lesbian channel that some people i knew were trying to troll < 1244258807 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but failing because the ops were nazis < 1244258813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, the only thing I assume on IRC is sentience. < 1244258821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, that proves to be a bad assumption. < 1244258824 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd get banned for having a nick that was too "girly" < 1244258827 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too "masculine" < 1244258833 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if they just didn't like the looks of you < 1244258847 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggested i could probably pass under the radar with no effort involved < 1244258851 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out i was right :P < 1244258863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Now that I think of it. I just realised myndzi's name. < 1244258866 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i chatted with em for like an hour then was like welp, sorry girls but i actually have a penis! < 1244258870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I see psygnisfive realise it, too. < 1244258874 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i got akicked ;( < 1244258880 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1244258890 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats racist < 1244258897 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their channel, their rules < 1244258899 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1244258908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: "Sorry, but I'm just a guy who sympathises with your desire for tits." < 1244258909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1244258916 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's irc, i'm sure they got plenty of trolling and guys looking for cybersex or whatever < 1244258936 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i should mention i didn't have to lie, it just went assumed < 1244258938 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1244258948 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might consider changing my nick if i hadn't been living in it for so many years :) < 1244259452 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auch, mein sei! < 1244259470 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or zei < 1244259481 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :mein_zei < 1244259486 0 :mein_zei!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1244259563 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. < 1244259566 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244259643 0 :mein_zei!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1244259653 0 :mein_zei!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to try and make this thing do something < 1244259656 0 :mein_zei!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive < 1244259668 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i make it do, ey? < 1244259723 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is a finite state machine, this language thingybob. < 1244259735 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it output "All your base are belong to us!" of course < 1244259741 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if thats possible! < 1244259751 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i need an output signal < 1244259751 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find out! < 1244259760 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably do! < 1244259802 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it into a programming game! < 1244259802 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244259811 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you don't need i/o < 1244259821 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244260531 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmph. < 1244260536 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to develop this idea a bit. < 1244260804 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least develop how to program with it :) < 1244261569 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1244261987 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244262058 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no < 1244262060 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1244262070 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is, its some sort of FSM < 1244262115 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-127-158.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244262117 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a finite number of genes in the genome, and thus a finite number of states the environment can be in < 1244262167 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would need to be some way of using the genome to affect the environment in some way other than just putting signals into it. < 1244262719 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244262720 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244262820 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1244262966 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-106-153.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244263625 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244265330 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1244265761 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244266711 0 :immibis!i=7deefcce@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-11354c9087f0c043 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244267301 0 :Patashu!n=Patashu@c122-106-162-185.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1244270505 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1244273586 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1244274599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244275085 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-68-124.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244275199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1244275200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1244275381 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-11-10.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244276279 0 :immibis!i=7deefcce@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-72e33d030c969b2f JOIN :#esoteric < 1244279716 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244283471 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1244283833 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-37-237.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244284608 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244284851 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244285089 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION beholds
< 1244285560 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1244286736 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-126-124.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244286802 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244287252 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1244287547 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-50-102.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244288166 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244288518 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@ti0056a380-dhcp0820.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244291872 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1244292171 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244293538 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244293572 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-31-231.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244293576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1244293581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh at iwc today! < 1244293725 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244293743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods oerjan
< 1244293761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realized what the punchline would be after the second panel
< 1244293772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I did that too very early on < 1244293806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the second panel yes, though I had a pretty good idea already after the first panel what the topic would be! < 1244293932 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh the annotation implies dmm expected so < 1244294516 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1244294530 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-50-102.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244294880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1244294914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this newton theme was introduced after the universe crashed right? < 1244294922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/crashed/ended/ < 1244294971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244295004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some retroactive effect < 1244295035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(previous lewis carroll from the pirate theme was also included) < 1244295045 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1244295051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244295052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1244295069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how he and Newton are related < 1244295100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or do you know? < 1244295136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244295141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google holiday logo again < 1244295142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theme name is "Scientific Revolution" < 1244295144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why
< 1244295164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit dubious connection < 1244295172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on the main page < 1244295176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just on search results? < 1244295187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1244295201 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees nothing
< 1244295205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=Lewis%20Carroll&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 <-- holiday logo... < 1244295212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like Google gone Tetris < 1244295215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe gone lego < 1244295217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1244295241 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Tetris < 1244295251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why not on main page < 1244295257 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, Tetris was released today 25 years ago < 1244295264 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, I wonder that too < 1244295285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache? < 1244295299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish google has another one < 1244295303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.se/ < 1244295314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that seems logical < 1244295345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is the national day (or whatever the English term is) today < 1244295390 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also D-day < 1244295430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : there would need to be some way of using the genome to affect the environment in some way other than just putting signals into it. < 1244295445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i don't know - some kind of PROTEAN force, perhaps? < 1244295602 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1244295750 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:34:45] cache? <-- I tried clearing my cache < 1244295767 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I almost never visit the main page anyway < 1244295800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, no I meant, server side caches < 1244295811 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1244295816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems likely google use something like that < 1244295820 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-112-139.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244295827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not squid, but something they developed themselves. < 1244295835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wikipedia use squid) < 1244295948 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244296127 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244296739 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-31-231.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244296848 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1244296859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1244298398 0 :Corun!n=Corun@wavelan139.doc.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244298779 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244298974 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Patashu/SteampunkX - MSN = Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM = Patashu0 , YIM = Patashu2 ." < 1244300163 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Read error: 182 (Connection reset by beer)" < 1244301034 0 :darthnuri!n=nuri@pool-72-71-31-57.plspca.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244301067 0 :asiekierk!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1244301067 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1244301156 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1244301157 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube* < 1244301163 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Morning < 1244301164 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244301164 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: this is gonna kick ass. man, you managed to take of hes shirt and jump up and sing skater boi, i could have been cancelled eventually anyway, i know < 1244302592 0 :darthnuri!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244303601 0 :Spike_!n=Spike@117.Red-83-63-255.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244303613 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello! < 1244303649 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a question regarding some esoteric languajes < 1244303679 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically those who are turing-complete < 1244303739 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an esoteric language is turing-complete, in theory, can it be used to write any program that a turing-equivalent language can do? < 1244303742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244303759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_, Um. Yes. < 1244303764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I misunderstood you < 1244303782 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, again in theroy, can i write any program in brainfuck that could be written in c? < 1244303813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_, not exactly. C has file IO and such. Which are not parts of turing-completeness < 1244303836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need IO at all for Turing completeness in fact. But you could calculate anything you could do in C. < 1244303856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just might not be able to, say, output it, or write it to a file, or send it over a tcp connection or whatever. < 1244303870 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, that is a question i have allways had < 1244303891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider underload for example < 1244303892 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe file io could be implemented in brainfuck... < 1244303911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has no input (it does have standard output though), yet it is TC < 1244303966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I'm no expert at underload, you should ask either ais523 or oerjan if you want to know more about it. (Neither seems to be here atm). < 1244303978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a few other know it too. < 1244304040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_, as for file IO in bf, there are ways to add that. Basically they work by connecting the standard input/output from the BF program to some sort of daemon. Then the bf programs sends command to that daemon, which can then open file, output to the real console or whatever < 1244304053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lifthrasiir.jottit.com/exe is one such < 1244304074 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you very much < 1244304094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_, befunge98 could probably do most stuff C could < 1244304096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1244304101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is rather bloated) < 1244304124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with lots of "fingerprints", which are somewhat like loadable extensions that interpreters can optionally implement) < 1244304137 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact is that im writing a paper, and im studying turing tarpits < 1244304149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. Befunge is *far* from a turing tarpit < 1244304202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_, oh and you might be interested in /// (http://esolangs.org/wiki/Slashes) < 1244304208 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was thinking about asserting that with a turing-complete, turing-tarpit essoteric language you can virtually do whatever i could be done with a turing-equivalent language < 1244304218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently proven to be TC by oerjan < 1244304220 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, "it could be done" < 1244304241 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1244304260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_, in a TC language you can implement any other TC language. It might not be easy though. < 1244304274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that is assuming you ignore IO < 1244304306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_, there is a C -> BF compiler. ais523 is working on it as a gcc backend. Generates very very large output files. < 1244304417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_, btw http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Turing-complete < 1244304558 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good link, thank you! < 1244304587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/ == http://esolangs.org/ < 1244304592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case of confusion < 1244304633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_, of course you could implement a virtual filesystem inside a bf program. IIRC gcc-bf does that (or will do, it is work in progress...) < 1244304672 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find awesome how people can do so much with so few... :D < 1244304687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1244304728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to prefer to write interpreters/compilers for esolangs. In fact I'm currently working on one of my compilers. < 1244304741 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1244304747 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which language is it for? < 1244304752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, optimising bf to C compiler < 1244304761 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1244304791 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i find some spare time, i think it would be nice to write some more apache mods to esoteric languages < 1244304798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are better ones. I think esotope-bfc is currently the bf->C compiler which produces the most optimised code... < 1244304804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_, uh? < 1244304811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apache mods for esolangs? < 1244304816 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244304818 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some: < 1244304819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1244304833 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://modbf.sourceforge.net/ < 1244304833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I think olsner (not here atm) proved mod_rewrite to be TC. < 1244304866 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the future of web 2.0! XD < 1244304884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://olsner.se/2008/01/27/bfthue-in-mod_rewrite/ < 1244304920 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats nice! < 1244304949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_, I have also written one of the fastest befunge98 interpreters. (Fastest I guess, until fizzie finishes that jit-compiler for befunge he was working on...) < 1244304969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge. < 1244304971 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I notice the bfjoust scoreboard no longer breaks 60. < 1244304978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, oh? < 1244304996 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Highest score is 58.02 < 1244305004 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_wiggle3 < 1244305012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, that's strange < 1244305025 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find befunge mind bugling ... < 1244305034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugling? < 1244305043 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not really, ever since I changed it to take percentages of wins over all possible runs, it took a long time for them to go over 60 again. < 1244305052 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry boggling < 1244305053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, aha < 1244305056 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Bugling is playing the bugle :P < 1244305071 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im from Madrid, Spain... :D < 1244305074 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is going to use the expression "mind bugling" from now on.
< 1244305076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, yeah I noticed aspell thought it existed, but even google define: couldn't find what it was. < 1244305109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_, and yes befunge might come as a shock the first time you see it. < 1244305127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is actually quite a lot simpler to code in than for example brainf*ck < 1244305153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1244305153 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is why BF is bettar lawl) < 1244305157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1244305158 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1244305172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_, the bot fungot here is written in Befunge-98 < 1244305172 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i love avril. < 1244305194 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bot may not be written in Befunge, but it supports more languages :P < 1244305195 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1244305195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it has that chat thing based on Markov chains thing < 1244305195 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1244305319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, you could write an IRC bot in bf, but it would need to be hooked up to netcat or such. < 1244305331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while for befunge98 you can do it in pure befunge98 < 1244305332 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Define "you" ;) < 1244305350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming the fingerprint SOCK is implemented in the interpreter you use < 1244305358 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pooper_scooper >(+>->)*5-[>[+]>[-].+] < 1244305366 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for GregorR_pooper_scooper: 7.1 < 1244305374 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY I LOSERS < 1244305509 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust eggsplosion (++--)*10000 < 1244305518 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for GregorR_eggsplosion: 4.1 < 1244305525 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I did even worse :P < 1244305533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : p[-34]=p[-8]; < 1244305533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : p[-8]=p[-43]; < 1244305536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how useless < 1244305544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1244305546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread that < 1244305581 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How opaque ;) < 1244305599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, ? < 1244305610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it said -43 in the first line too < 1244305615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not -34 < 1244305728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-43? < 1244305732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEGFAULT!!! < 1244305733 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244305739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no. p is a pointer < 1244305742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an array < 1244305757 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... You've been moving the pointer around, and then do [] on it. < 1244305762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes? < 1244305765 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheheh. :D < 1244305777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I do p[n] where n is the offset. < 1244305783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1244305791 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got that. It makes me smile. < 1244305795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it is somewhere near the middle of lostking < 1244305807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have no idea about the absolute position at that point < 1244305829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect GCC doesn't like it too much, but GCC can shut up. < 1244305844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it didn't complain at -Wall -Wextra at least < 1244305851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as far as I know that is valid C? < 1244305889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned char a[3000],*p=a; < 1244305922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, program could move outside that, which would segfault < 1244305941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I plan to add an option to set another tape size. < 1244305966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or you could just change the output file yourself) < 1244306411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean doesn't like optimising that much. < 1244306763 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1244306967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth: p[-4]=; < 1244306969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION debugs
< 1244306985 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-85-6.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244307055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have a vague idea about the cause, but I can't seem to make a simple test case to reproduce it. Only shows up in the compiled output of that gcc-bf generated file... < 1244307084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which takes about 5 minutes to compile < 1244307186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I suspected. Empty expression. < 1244307194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but why?) < 1244307428 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make an esolang that can be made as a drawing < 1244307448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few such already < 1244307480 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as in < 1244307484 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make it into a working drawing < 1244307485 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on paper < 1244307487 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like Piet < 1244307488 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1244307497 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like real drawings < 1244307563 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an invented, pictogram-based language < 1244307679 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF could be translated to one well < 1244307684 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> and < being arrows < 1244307694 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ and ] being sun-shaped halves, which are then combined to match < 1244307700 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, and . being an up and a down arrow < 1244307710 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ being a /\ triangle and - being a \/ triangle < 1244307760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. So parsing it would just be a matter of doing OCR and then interpreting the text < 1244307762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1244307773 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, interpreting the pictograms < 1244307773 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244307783 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the simple shapes < 1244307788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, I'm pretty sure unicode has all of those symbols < 1244307790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↓↑ < 1244307793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1244307798 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244307801 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see unicode herr < 1244307802 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here* < 1244307811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, fix your encoding then, Or font < 1244307820 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, and . should be more like a mouth-like symbol and an eye < 1244307823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure encoding is UTF-8 < 1244307827 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1244307838 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1244307839 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I like the idea :) < 1244307839 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1244307842 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I set UTF-8 < 1244307842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha, if unicode doesn't have them, then "Wingdings" probably does < 1244307853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↓↑ (down-arrow, up-arrow) < 1244307871 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still doesn't work < 1244307873 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244307878 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, , will be an eye < 1244307881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, does ö work? (o with two dots) < 1244307885 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and . will be a mouth-resembling symbol < 1244307888 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah, that does < 1244307893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, then your font fails < 1244307894 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because I'm using Fixedsys < 1244307895 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I like < 1244307908 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244307909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, try Dejavu for example. < 1244307919 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Courier New < 1244307923 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i'm too lazy to download fonts < 1244307923 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1244307925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1244307927 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still like fixed-point < 1244307928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea if it has it < 1244307937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, Dejavu Sans Mono is fixed font < 1244307938 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1244307941 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see them < 1244307942 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244307944 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Arial Unicode MS < 1244307950 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now going back to Fixedsys < 1244307957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is installed on all modern Linux systems by default as far as I know < 1244307959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Dejavu Sans. < 1244307964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, :) < 1244307975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice terminal font. < 1244307980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and IRC font too < 1244307989 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using windows < 1244307991 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1244307998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean there's IRC out-of-terminal? < 1244308001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: BACK! BACK! < 1244308004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes sadly. < 1244308014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I think ehird uses that. < 1244308020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with *shudder* variable width font < 1244308030 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, lemme show you how would a typical CAT program look like < 1244308031 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1244308033 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[.,] < 1244308034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly Hellvetica or something. < 1244308037 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me just draw it in MS Paint < 1244308038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spelling intentional) < 1244308057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, as long as you don't want us to open *.bmp... < 1244308069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shudder* < 1244308078 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... well < 1244308078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: XP .bmp saves to GIF and JPG. < 1244308081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1244308082 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern MS paint's can even save pngs < 1244308082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paint. < 1244308083 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and PNG < 1244308087 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: Yeah < 1244308089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1244308091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244308091 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can use PNGOptimizer < 1244308098 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I will just take photos of hand-drawn drawings < 1244308174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits another 5 minutes after fixing the bug...
< 1244308187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck gcc-bf :P < 1244308243 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc-bf? < 1244308251 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that < 1244308259 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an optimizing BF compiler < 1244308279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck backend for GCC. < 1244308305 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :backend? < 1244308310 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1244308326 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do < 1244308399 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... You seriously don't know what a backend is? < 1244308425 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I probably would < 1244308429 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I checked my dictionary < 1244308431 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm Polsih < 1244308431 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I am just wondering about the backend part, because from my knowledge about backends, that would mean that gcc-bf generates brainfuck < 1244308435 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish* < 1244308458 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A compiler can be said to have two basic parts: a frontend and a backend. The frontend takes in code, transforms it to an intermediate form. The backend converts that to the final output code. < 1244308460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: Yes. < 1244308472 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wut < 1244308477 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so people are more crazy than I expected :) < 1244308481 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so now I can compile C to BF? < 1244308490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: It's a work in progress. < 1244308493 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1244308504 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does work currently? < 1244308506 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you've been able to do that for a few years. Gregor wrote C2BF a while back. :p < 1244308514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much. < 1244308516 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1244308523 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you ever get anything to compile < 1244308523 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sofar < 1244308525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pester ais523 for more details. < 1244308541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, he just about had Hello, World! working. < 1244308717 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uploading the CATs in BF-Gram in just a moment < 1244308798 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8763/bfgramcat.jpg < 1244309042 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1244309067 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha, awesome < 1244309084 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd think BF can be so creative < 1244309114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, a simple "hello world" program from gcc-bf is over 430K when RLL encoded < 1244309121 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244309123 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1244309129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1244309130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RLE* < 1244309132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not RLL < 1244309132 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbrain's commands in BF-Gram < 1244309138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1244309142 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: will be a spiral < 1244309144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to try to expand it < 1244309173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are things like <*12842 < 1244309175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1244309176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in it < 1244309185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where that * means "times" yes. < 1244309209 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Now try to expand it. < 1244309216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not going to try to expand it < 1244309217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said < 1244309226 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doit ! < 1244309227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I process the file directly as the RLE encoding < 1244309237 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look for "*" < 1244309242 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then convert the number after it < 1244309246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. There are quite a few of them < 1244309251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, there isn't one after every one < 1244309253 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and repeat the char before "<" that many times < 1244309259 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I know < 1244309261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, I know. But the output would be huge < 1244309264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my point < 1244309270 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But HOW huge? < 1244309285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, you can figure it out yourself, I'll upload it somewhere < 1244309306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://omploader.org/vMXNoNA < 1244309313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain text file < 1244309333 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD < 1244309339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, tell me when you found out. < 1244309348 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH THIS < 1244309365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, You have to now. < 1244309413 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't < 1244309423 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says nowhere in the file "your soul belongs to me now" < 1244309424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet you wanted me to do it < 1244309439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you loose interest when you had to do it yourself? < 1244309451 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuz i'm a lazy soul, sir < 1244309458 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't live in a "Lazytown" < 1244309464 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pun intented) < 1244309468 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or intended < 1244309493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i type at 100-110wpm < 1244309530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:06 AnMaster: nescience, well I'm large. In all possible meanings of large. Large hands. Tall (189.6 cm). Wide shoulders. I find full sized PC keyboard small. < 1244309534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed one meaning < 1244309540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no I'm not fat. < 1244309554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION types at a mere 70wpm.
< 1244309561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: LOLFAIL < 1244309563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly for lack of bothering to get faster. < 1244309584 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, you fail. There's more than one he missed. < 1244309605 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Fat" is equally valid as what you probably had in mind.) < 1244309607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I guess it wasn't all possible meanings < 1244309637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: True. < 1244309639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He missed two. < 1244309653 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we could quite easily come up with more. < 1244309661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, shut up. < 1244309665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He missed at least one that he is still missing. < 1244309671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the rather obvious one.) < 1244309714 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize it until your LOLFAIL, which got me on the right thinking track. < 1244309728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, but you're always contrarian about things. < 1244309739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *do* have large foots. Size 46 iirc. < 1244309740 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I try. < 1244309748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, that doesn't sound like 'cock taste good', it sounds like 'qack tek goot'." < 1244309756 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5769/bfgramextra.jpg < 1244309757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"25dpi should be enough for everyone" < 1244309758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1244309767 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFGram - pbrain, Brainfork and Boolf**k extra commands < 1244309768 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1244309775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1244309776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Foots. < 1244309781 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feet. < 1244309782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err < 1244309783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feet < 1244309783 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1244309784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244309785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo < 1244309802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You're still missing it. < 1244309803 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a bit taller than me but my shoe size is typically 47+. < 1244309810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... "gb_sets" being more efficient than "sets" module. Not. < 1244309822 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I duno how will a BF-Gram quine work < 1244309826 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno* < 1244309832 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it would need to output a BMP < 1244309840 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :containing the exact same data as the input BMP < 1244309842 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1244309862 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1244309863 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1244309872 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen BF-Gram < 1244309877 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :97 +++++++++++[>++++++>++++>++++++++++>+<<<<-]>.++++.>+.<+.>>++++.-----------------.++++++++++++.>-. [288] < 1244309878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's thickness of hair I'm talking about. < 1244309911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh. Ok. Hm I don't know. I do have quite a lot of hair. But each hair? No clue < 1244309920 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: :-D < 1244309930 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omg, is it just me or am I going to convert 97 BF code parts to BF-Gram < 1244309930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244309942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one hair"? Is that really right < 1244309948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm joking; I actually meant toe size. < 1244309965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't "hair" a mass noun? < 1244309983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I mixing this up with Swedish hår/hårstrå < 1244310009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the latter being one hair, the former being in general, like the total hair on one head or whatever) < 1244310219 0 :comex!i=comex@ool-457c3cbb.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244310261 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm done < 1244310264 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...comex? < 1244310265 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1244310278 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made a pictogram representation of BF < 1244310318 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1244310339 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1244310342 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244310349 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8763/bfgramcat.jpg < 1244310455 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1244311578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1244311581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate high-resolution monitors < 1244311592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so awesome, but, but, but everything would go so slow. < 1244311691 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1244312215 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except if you have a good graphic card < 1244312225 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 4 graphic cards connected in one :D < 1244312231 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each handles a quarter of the screen < 1244312254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: multi graphics cards is commonplace < 1244312278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for high end systems yes < 1244312286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1244312291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for any system with >1 monitor, too < 1244312330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: high-res is over 1920x1200 for me < 1244312330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, get a CRT, then when you want to view text you don't need high FPS, run at max res. When you need to play 3D games, use a lower res. < 1244312333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, super high res < 1244312336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a CRT that works fine < 1244312345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1244312358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: great, now I can have blurriness, eye strain, flickering and the horrid, horrid WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE all the time < 1244312360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so lucky* < 1244312370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh you hear the whine too? < 1244312372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244312378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know lots of people who claim they don't whine < 1244312387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as you get older you hear less high freq noises < 1244312398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, some people just have less sensitive hearing < 1244312402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hear if the TV is on over from upstairs. Due to the whine < 1244312406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1244312407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not that bad < 1244312412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hear it from in the room, though < 1244312439 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have too sensitive hearing machinma < 1244312440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well... I can hear it in the over other noise too, but then I need to be just one or two rooms away < 1244312445 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't just make my speaker quiet < 1244312453 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to literally flick the power switch on the back < 1244312456 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to go to sleep < 1244312463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1244312465 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as the TV being quiet as hell in another room < 1244312476 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can't sleep when my DVD recorder's hard drive is doing noise < 1244312481 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1244312487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, you mean you would want to leave the loadspeaker's on? < 1244312497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DVD recorder's hard drive" <-- *blink*? < 1244312497 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessairly < 1244312500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: wait, you're that sensitive and fan/harddrive noise doesn't bother you? < 1244312506 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244312507 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1244312508 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i turn my PC off < 1244312515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, that works < 1244312523 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i want to record a show overnight < 1244312528 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the DVD recorder noise bothers me < 1244312530 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't < 1244312530 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1244312535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: put it in a wardrobe < 1244312539 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1244312544 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too big < 1244312551 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't have a real wardrobe that close < 1244312557 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so far away the cables won't reach < 1244312560 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i will behave like a jerk < 1244312561 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244312580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: stop using optical media? :P < 1244312586 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244312588 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the hard drive noise < 1244312591 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the DVD noise < 1244312598 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my DVD recorder is a HDD/DVD recorder < 1244312601 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can record on both < 1244312606 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and copy from one to the other < 1244312607 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both ways < 1244312614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: replace the HD with a solid state drive < 1244312620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it uses regular sata you just need to open it up < 1244312627 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...It's a 160GB drive, and it's under warranty < 1244312634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: so? < 1244312643 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big a SSD can get to not be overpriced < 1244312647 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32GB? < 1244312653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: well, you don't need much speed, right? < 1244312659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's not an OS drive < 1244312660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: < 1244312666 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it records on the fly < 1244312683 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I need to remove the screws and all that to remove the HDD < 1244312684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: any HD can do that < 1244312708 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't the fan noise bother me then < 1244312716 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the DVD/HDD recorder < 1244312725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: does it have a fan? < 1244312728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't expect it to < 1244312736 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it doesn't though < 1244312743 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has a DVD and an HDD and is about the size of a C64 < 1244312793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm the 128GB ssds seem to be ~$200 (= 650 zloty); but you can get 64GB for $138 (= 448 zloty) < 1244312803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure you can get cheaper SSDs elsewhere, but meh < 1244312814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prices should go down in a few months < 1244312880 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244312885 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need to record stuff overnight < 1244312893 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR I can just move the DVD recorder to my parents' room < 1244312894 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244312904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is probably the cheaper solution < 1244312917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only doing that with computers was practical i'd be saving myself hundreds. < 1244312931 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Get a bunch of laptops < 1244312937 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other topic, what about the abomination known as BF-Gram < 1244312940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: Laptops have fan < 1244312941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1244312942 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basicaly a pictogram BF < 1244312953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get solid-state laptops, but a bunch won't match up to a good computer < 1244312955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they'll overheat < 1244312959 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: open a laptop's case < 1244312964 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then remove the fans < 1244312971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: Your laptop just burnt < 1244312975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're in there for a reason < 1244312991 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or put it outside with an opened case with fans on a cold day < 1244312997 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244313002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1244313003 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Overclocking galore < 1244313006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's summer :P < 1244313010 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah < 1244313014 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to wait until winter < 1244313015 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1244313017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: just use phase-change cooling < 1244313020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1244313028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a huge tube connects to your cpu < 1244313033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and goes into a gigantic fridge < 1244313034 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why won't you get a small netbook that has VLC < 1244313037 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1244313037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get temps like -50C < 1244313037 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1244313038 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244313046 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that app to connect between PCs? < 1244313049 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the screen < 1244313050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VNC < 1244313053 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes < 1244313053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, er, slow. < 1244313061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I like having a computer case next to me < 1244313070 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Do a cardboard one! *smiles* < 1244313076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1244313086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: anyway, this is all a lot less fun than watercooling it < 1244313095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a gigantic radiator attached to the case, so you don't need fans < 1244313141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1244313186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahaha < 1244313656 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244313657 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going off < 1244313661 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAW time < 1244313663 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1244314093 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@c2391BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244314485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, even better is putting the actual computer in another room. Then have keyboard, mouse, monitor and CD drive in the room you are in. With some sort of extension thingy < 1244314497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude. Read. < 1244314511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less fun yeah < 1244314514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired of you complaining that I don't read the rest of the text before replying and still do it yourself. < 1244314514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said that < 1244314522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was not suggesting VNC < 1244314526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, before that I said: because I like having my case next to me. < 1244314531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? You didn't read it? Gee, I knew that. < 1244314539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so go for the cardboard case with a cd in it < 1244314541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it < 1244314544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244314565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That is not having my case next to me. < 1244314566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but I assume you want the case close to be able to, you know, push the power button, use the cd and such? < 1244314572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or why do you want the case next to you < 1244314579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just like my hardware to be easily-available. < 1244314589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, there's nowhere I could put it. < 1244314596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, walking a few steps is hard? < 1244314605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok that is a good reason < 1244314607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That is not next to me < 1244314670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, but I still don't see a good reason for it. You probably need to get a screwdriver to open the case. Sure there are cases you can open without screwdriver. Did you decide on such a case? < 1244314686 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :NotEelis < 1244314694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't want access to my hardware necessarily, I just like it being there :P < 1244314697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“By 2029 no computer - or "machine intelligence" - will have passed the Turing Test.” DETAILED TERMS » < 1244314698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PREDICTOR < 1244314700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mitchell Kapor < 1244314702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHALLENGER < 1244314704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ray Kurzweil < 1244314706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STAKES $20,000 < 1244314708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will go to The Electronic Frontier Foundation if Kapor wins, < 1244314710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or The Kurzweil Foundation if Kurzweil wins. < 1244314712 0 :NotEelis!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1244314712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.longbets.org/1 < 1244314720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kurzweil Foundation? < 1244314730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1244314750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do < 1244314778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Whatever Kurzweil wants, I guess. < 1244314779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The Kurzweil Foundation, which is Ray's private foundation, used these funds for the Kurzweil Foundation's scholarship program, providing scholarships to worthy blind students. ]] < 1244314783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably Singularity-related stuff as well. < 1244314789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And by implication AI) < 1244314797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1244314814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd bet on Kurzweil's side, but 2029 is so close. < 1244314831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you noticed that google fails at holiday logo? < 1244314838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no holiday logo on the main page < 1244314842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is. < 1244314843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only on search results < 1244314849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ISP-level cache fail. < 1244314856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hm. < 1244314858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It disappeared. < 1244314864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Hm. I'm pretty sure my ISP doesn't do that < 1244314865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it was there earlier today. < 1244314868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, all ISPs cache < 1244314892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, let me check from somewhere that definitely doesn't do it (data center) < 1244314904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I just said: < 1244314906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gone now. < 1244314909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but earlier today it was there. < 1244314914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, your data center does cache < 1244314928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ISP that doesn't will be going out of business due to bandwidth charges in 3,2,1 < 1244314989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they are hooked up to level3 directly. So if level3 caches.. maybe. < 1244315004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything caches. Except maybe Tier1; I have no idea about tier 1 ISPs < 1244315016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't level3 a tire1 ISP? < 1244315032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network#Telecom_Providers_Tier_1_.26_2 < 1244315033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1244315038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1244315040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L3 is in that list. < 1244315044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then; they might not cache. < 1244315046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said < 1244315082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Ms. Cynthia Clay, the Shakespeare aficionado, was thrice misclassified as a computer. At least one of the judges made her classification on the premise that ``[no] human would have that amount of knowledge about Shakespeare.'']] < 1244315094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I see tetris there < 1244315104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl and grep < 1244315113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1244315131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...]

[...] < 1244315133 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244315144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: window.lol&&lol() < 1244315161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no clue < 1244315165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llol < 1244315167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about that too < 1244315221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is there on normal google too < 1244315228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "normal without the holiday logo" < 1244315252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/logos/tetris09.gif < 1244315259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a workaround bug < 1244315261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they fail. They use gif. YET IT ISN'T ANIMATED < 1244315263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1244315264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swap tht < 1244315265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1244315271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You fail. < 1244315272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should show a game of tetris < 1244315273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1244315277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be much better < 1244315278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIFs are usually smaller for such images. < 1244315280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my point < 1244315287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is smaller as png though < 1244315302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less browser support; and are you sure? < 1244315302 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stabs "Tetris Holding, LLC"
< 1244315311 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you and your copyright or patents or whatever the fuck it is :P < 1244315320 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 years indeed, isn't that enough? :\ < 1244315321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm sure if you use something like advpng/optipng or similiar. < 1244315331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because sure, there are bad implementations of deflate. < 1244315333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Go test it; Google aren't stupid. < 1244315337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does
< 1244315399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -b tetris09.png tetris09.gif < 1244315399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1798 tetris09.png < 1244315399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4193 tetris09.gif < 1244315403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is after a plain convert < 1244315412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Now, gzip them. < 1244315413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checked that images are equivalent < 1244315435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did gzip --best < 1244315441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -b tetris09.* < 1244315441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4229 tetris09.gif.gz < 1244315441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1639 tetris09.png.gz < 1244315446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gif one grew < 1244315448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1244315461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* There's probably a server-side related effect. < 1244315462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip for png is pointless. Since gzip uses the same compression as png < 1244315552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, after using advpng, optipng and pngout: < 1244315553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1410 tetris09.png < 1244315559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Go ask google. < 1244315567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then after gzip < 1244315568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1416 tetris09.png.gz < 1244315574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it grew. Due to same encoding < 1244315580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagemagick doesn't compress well < 1244315634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway it would be perfect for a gif-animation. < 1244315649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but also annoying. < 1244315698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also well compressed png are in general smaller than the same as gif. The exception is when the image is so small that the larger file header overhead of png makes the image larger. < 1244315704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as 1x1 white pixel < 1244315707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1244315708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is almost certainly a reason < 1244315729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, since there is no transparency in that gif (background is actually white), I don't know < 1244315748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE 6 did have problems with transparent pngs in some cases. But that wouldn't apply here. < 1244315774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask Google. :) < 1244315786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so this is annoying? http://ipv6.google.com/ < 1244315792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244315804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I disagree. The animation doesn't repeat after all < 1244315815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more annoying than no animation < 1244315831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1244316272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1244316290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently kurzweil invented the first any-font OCR, CCD flat-bed scanner AND complete TTS synthesizer < 1244316312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw that link... Interesting TeliaSonera is a tire1... < 1244316329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like the sweden/finland BT? < 1244316332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it from wp < 1244316334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, BT? < 1244316339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: british telecom < 1244316343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Group < 1244316359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is one of the largest such companies here < 1244316388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bt basically control the telephone lines here. < 1244316550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not sure if they own the actual cabels though < 1244316750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway... Is any UK company a tire1 carrier? < 1244316759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tier. < 1244316761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not tire. < 1244316764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1244316764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tire is what you put on cars. < 1244316768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(' wheels) < 1244316771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, easy to typo < 1244316779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Anyway, no. < 1244316798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (' wheels) <-- ((quot wheels)) ? < 1244316811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1244316813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote* < 1244316817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1244316821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cars' wheels < 1244316852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: Anyway, no. <-- This is supposed to show Sweden > UK ;P < 1244316880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Tier-1 ISPs suck to actually be connected to. < 1244316914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cheaper though. Much cheaper. < 1244316921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: WUT? < 1244316921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and usually it works well. < 1244316929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're on crack < 1244316936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean, cheaper to _be_ a Tire1 than a tire2 < 1244316942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIER. Not tire. < 1244316943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no way. < 1244316950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tier-1 is all the big boys. < 1244316968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, then I misunderstood the text saying "A network that can reach every other network on the Internet without purchasing IP transit or paying settlements." < 1244316973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network < 1244316981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, uh, you're being stupid. < 1244316987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a Tier-1 is not easy/cheap in any way. < 1244317005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Especially the amount of cash you'd need to bribe all the other Tier-1s to accept you) < 1244317012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, logically, not having to pay such transit would be cheaper... < 1244317015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah! ;P < 1244317025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But they have to handle a lot more traffic themselves < 1244317029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to delegating it < 1244317032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1244317034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Tier 1 networks are closer to the "center" of the Internet. < 1244317034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In reality, Tier 1 networks usually have only a small number of peers (typically only other Tier 1s and very large Tier 2s), while Tier 2 networks are motivated to peer with many other Tier 2 and end-user networks. Thus a Tier 2 network with good peering is frequently much "closer" to most end users or content than a Tier 1. < 1244317037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tier 1 networks by definition offer "better" quality Internet connectivity. < 1244317039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By definition, there are networks which Tier 1 networks have only one path to, and if they lose that path, they have no "backup transit" which would preserve their full connectivity. < 1244317042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Tier 2 networks are significantly larger than some Tier 1 networks, and are often able to provide more or better connectivity.]] < 1244317103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if so, what is the deal with being tire1 < 1244317110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIER GOD DAMMIT < 1244317113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T I E R < 1244317116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<<<<<<<<<< < 1244317128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The deal is that they're basically the interweb's backbone. < 1244317136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything eventually comes down to them. < 1244317148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I always mixed up tier and tier < 1244317149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1244317150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Also, they have immense power and control. < 1244317154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/tier/tire/ < 1244317177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tee-er, tie-er. < 1244317190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tier is former, tire is latter. < 1244317256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, when you pronounce them the issue isn't. (Intentionally messed up grammar, but I *think* it is still valid?) < 1244317269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When you pronounce them the issue is not." < 1244317271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is incorrect < 1244317272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is seeing the difference/spelling it < 1244317274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said "the issue" < 1244317279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gave it a property < 1244317282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244317284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(notness) < 1244317290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nonsensical if it's not, it isn't existing < 1244317291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok.. < 1244317298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1244317315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, " which is nonsensical if it's not, it isn't existing" <-- what < 1244317319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to parse that < 1244317323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so do I :) < 1244317345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, were you trying to do the same thing as I did? < 1244317356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1244317373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but explaining metalogical syntactic/morphic distinctions difficults the mind! < 1244317380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tell me what you meant then < 1244317386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I have no clue < 1244317386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know < 1244317388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244317532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that long bet thing, who is behind it < 1244317552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, that's just one of them. They use dates starting with an 0, then the 4-digit year, so the Long Now foundation or an affiliate < 1244317558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1244317558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since they're the only ones planning for user 10000) < 1244317559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*year < 1244317561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are right < 1244317582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"STAKES $1,000,000" < 1244317583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :year -> user <-- how did you manage that... < 1244317584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew. < 1244317601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: y is next to u, s is below-and-next of e < 1244317604 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: bought your computer yet? < 1244317615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, still, "cool" typo < 1244317615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: no, I'm working out the intricacies of the watercooling set up < 1244317628 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: $4000 is too much to spend on a single box < 1244317634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yeah, that's why I'm not spending that much < 1244317637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 75% of the letters were typoed! < 1244317638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1244317640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was just a maxed out prebuilt from endpcnoise < 1244317642 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spend $2,500 on one, and $1,500 on another < 1244317645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of similar specs < 1244317648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean, a -> e too < 1244317648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what's the point of that < 1244317650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use one box < 1244317660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd just end up doing a very slow analog of SLI < 1244317672 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you will get twice the performance of a single $4000 computer < 1244317687 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1244317691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: no i won't < 1244317696 0 :tetha!n=hk@pD9EE7EBB.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244317700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unfounded < 1244317714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Long Bets was started in 02003 as a project of The Long Now Foundation" < 1244317720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the kurzweil one was #1 it's been on since 2003 < 1244317733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benefactor < 1244317733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeff Bezos, founder and CEO of Amazon.com, provided the two grants with which the Long Bets website was built. < 1244317733 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no < 1244317737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hehe < 1244317753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i have no use for two disconnected machines, anyway < 1244317761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use one computer, for all purposes < 1244317766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I hate context-switching < 1244317782 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :four i7 920s are faster than a single i7 965 < 1244317799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: err, and? < 1244317801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 4 computers < 1244317817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the sum of computing power may be greater than one < 1244317821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't utilize them as one unit < 1244317833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which defeats the point, for anything other than mass computation < 1244317838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no luck gaming, etc < 1244317849 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else do you get a $4000 computer for < 1244317860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: stop saying $4k < 1244317864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not buying a 4k computer < 1244317888 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you said < 1244317900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's 4 computers < 1244317902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1244317905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: nope < 1244317907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a 4 CPU mobo < 1244317913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not with i7s it isn' < 1244317913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1244317913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means a server < 1244317915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only have one QPI < 1244317916 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not with an i7 < 1244317919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah hm < 1244317934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't use more than one i7 on a motherboard? < 1244317937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1244317937 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how expenisve is the equivalent xeon? < 1244317943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: $500 more < 1244317950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Intel want you to spend money on Xeon instead... < 1244317958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1244317962 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1244317963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no? < 1244317967 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go with lots of cheap opterons < 1244317972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, :) < 1244317973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they expect you not to go excessive w/ >8 threads. < 1244317983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a server very well might < 1244317984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: (he's smiling because you recommended AMD) < 1244317989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i7 is a consumer processor < 1244318002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i said $4k was the cost of a system comparable in specs (apart from gfx card) to the system I'm going for; by a boutique system vendor; optimized for air-cooled silence < 1244318009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how many xeon's / mobo can you have < 1244318009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, not comparable to a DIY watercooled setup < 1244318014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming just CPU limits < 1244318019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not physical dimensions of mobo < 1244318021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 2 = 8 cores, 16 threads. With the upcoming Nehalem-XE, < 1244318028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not more? < 1244318029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 = 32 cores, < 1244318033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 threads. < 1244318034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244318041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(8 cores per die) < 1244318054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can you have 32 Xeons on a single mobo for a total of 256 cores? < 1244318055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244318059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: after 2 CPUs you will do better with a cluster < 1244318065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no < 1244318067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true. But IN THEORY < 1244318069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one cpu = 8 cores < 1244318072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 CPUs = 32 cores < 1244318074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 threads < 1244318087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: intel don't make >million dollar decisions based on theory < 1244318088 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that software? < 1244318092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what software < 1244318098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nehalem-XE is a new chip thing < 1244318107 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lets you migrate processes between different nodes in a cluster < 1244318114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may not be called nehalem-xe I forget < 1244318115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right. But you said you could have 4? On one mobo? Each with 8 cores? < 1244318120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. Which is 32 cores. < 1244318128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four times eight is thirty-two. < 1244318129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can't have more on one mobo? :/ < 1244318130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1244318136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dude < 1244318138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was what I was asking about < 1244318141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even fucking opterons only go up to 4 cpus < 1244318147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4*4 = 16 cores < 1244318166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: anyway, I expect total cost of the actual computer + cooling system to be about ~$3000 < 1244318170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Is this a hard limit in the CPU architecture? < 1244318177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/ IO devices, ~$3700 < 1244318179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just because no one made such mobos < 1244318179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max < 1244318182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(absolute max) < 1244318186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's because any more is fucking stupid < 1244318204 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not with numa < 1244318212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: buy a cluster < 1244318213 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smp, yeah < 1244318214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right. But you said i7 couldn't do dual cpu due to only one QPI. So Xeons have only 4 QPIs or something then? < 1244318221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear IBM are offering them at 50 billion a pop :p < 1244318225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"only" not being the right word < 1244318227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dunno < 1244318232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it'd be 3 < 1244318235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244318236 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/buy/build/ < 1244318238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, not current things < 1244318247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: building a cluster? by your lonesome? < 1244318252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so what is the single "extra" QPI needed? < 1244318253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be obsolete before you're 1/4 don < 1244318253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1244318265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if it was just one to every other CPU it would be zero on i7 < 1244318265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: one of the QPIs is the connection to the memory < 1244318268 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: uhh, ok then < 1244318269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The front side bus has been replaced by the Intel QuickPath Interconnect interface. Motherboards must use a chipset that supports QuickPath. < 1244318269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244318278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i'm talking like a 100-machine cluster here < 1244318282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and over < 1244318286 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluster doesn't mean a million machines < 1244318298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, thus in a 4 CPU Xeon system you need one QPI to each other CPU + one to memory for each? < 1244318308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or doesn't it work like that? < 1244318309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dunno. < 1244318312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1244318322 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a four or eight node cluster is just as bonafide < 1244318373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, is it a cluster two just two machines? < 1244318393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it is really the same thing, just not a lot of computers < 1244318414 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1244318555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: anyway, i probably won't go for the 965 since it's being phased out < 1244318563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :975 XE or just overclock a 920 for me, most likely < 1244318578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or overclock 650 < 1244318585 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen anything about the 975 < 1244318589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it's not out yet < 1244318596 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it's supposed to exist < 1244318604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :940 and 965 XE are being phased out, replaced by 950 (3.06ghz) and 975 XE (3.33ghz) < 1244318606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not out yet < 1244318610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*they're not < 1244318632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 975 is out 2009-06-03 apparently < 1244318634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess it's out < 1244318636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same w/ 950 < 1244318645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should trickle into stores soon! < 1244318652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ooh < 1244318655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are non-clock changes < 1244318658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D0 processor stepping < 1244318662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think some older i7s have that < 1244318663 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that < 1244318667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(newer generations of them) < 1244318674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: no idea but apparently it makes things faster. < 1244318677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may have it < 1244318678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check your box < 1244318681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the literal box that is < 1244318726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: [[The results of our memory subsystem test show clearly that we shouldn’t expect CPUs with new processor stepping to perform any different. The differences we see in obtained results are all within the measuring error. ]] < 1244318737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, apparently it's mostly better power consumption and overclocking potential < 1244318756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 975 XE has been OCed to >5ghz on air < 1244318762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1244318793 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand why, if such large overclocks are possible, why not just increase the stock clock speed? < 1244318813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: a few reasons < 1244318827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) this way we can roll out more expensive pre-OCed models! $$$$$$$$$$$ < 1244318836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) ok, but, can we guarantee it won't fail? warranties, y'know. < 1244318857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: also, it varies from CPU to CPU < 1244318863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some high-clock CPUs don't work at the high-clock < 1244318872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they just back off the clock and sell as the lower-clocked one < 1244318919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaws in manufacturing? < 1244318934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no process is perfect < 1244318938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1244318942 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr < 1244318950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats throwing them away < 1244319181 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the qpi in an i7 connects it to the northbridge < 1244319184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: donate $10,000 to me and I'll build you a beowulf of Xeons < 1244319187 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x58) < 1244319193 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no < 1244319198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: why not < 1244319207 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could not utilize it < 1244319214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: why not < 1244319223 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244319279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you can't utilize your i7 machiaen to the fullest anyway :P < 1244319285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*machine < 1244319293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, vs a core2quad < 1244319300 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i can < 1244319330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you wanna bet that? i'll give you a similar-clocked core2quad with the same amount of DDR3 ram etc < 1244319352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so you are going for a core2 then? < 1244319353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1244319355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1244319358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why not? < 1244319359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i love excessiveness < 1244319380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you won't be able to utilize your planned i7 to the fullest anyway :P < 1244319387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: did you read what I said? < 1244319390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i. love. excessiveness. < 1244319395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I can't utilize all that power; so what? :) < 1244319404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Yes. I thought you meant having excessive money left on the bank afterwards. < 1244319409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also excessiveness < 1244319415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not... not really. < 1244319475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SF IS DOWN < 1244319477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH THE HORROR> < 1244319601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lolwut? < 1244319616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sourceforge < 1244319645 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now where will I go for an example of an unusable website? < 1244319667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1244319682 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archive.org, pull up some older versions of the Microsoft website. < 1244319703 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, MSDN, good point < 1244319708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1244319710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSDN is awful < 1244319738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. It's *still awful*. < 1244319941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SF IS DOWN <-- temp or perm? < 1244319949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh come on, take a guess < 1244319956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1244319958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SF is down forever < 1244319963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all data has been permanently erased < 1244319965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including all the backups < 1244319977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they stored in an underground bunker, on tapes < 1244319987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 1,000 guards 24/7 < 1244319994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% bomb-proof < 1244320001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tragic < 1244320093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, temp I guess.. < 1244320115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1244320128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but then what is the news < 1244320136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to dl something < 1244320138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it isn't uncommon < 1244320146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, their mirrors tend to be up still < 1244320150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name one < 1244320154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heanet < 1244320167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1244320175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/download.sourceforge.net/ iirc < 1244320177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like thjat < 1244320178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that* < 1244320183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2009/06/areyoupennorteller.jpg < 1244320200 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/ < 1244320201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, look at the google cache copy of the project download page < 1244320205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure out the url < 1244320213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use it but the mirror instead < 1244320217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v < 1244320218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/download.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/d/de/desmume/ < 1244320219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1244320243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lazy bastard :P < 1244320248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to link you < 1244320257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did it all with clicks < 1244320260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well and Cmd-F < 1244320263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to find desmume < 1244320276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[DeSmuME can boot homebrew and games, some of which are < 1244320276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :playable.]] < 1244320280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimistic README there < 1244320309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it isn't easy to emulated proprietary hardware. I'm not surprised. < 1244320315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's just funny :) < 1244320360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you will find the same for all the other ones, like zsnes, mupen64plus, VBA, ... < 1244320368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar phrases somewhere in the docs < 1244320374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they don't say that in such a deadpan manner. < 1244320380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is true < 1244320407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not sure about VICE, but probably the same too < 1244320430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though emulating C64 isn't nearly as hard. And much have been found out. < 1244320442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has < 1244320451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't "much" plural? < 1244320452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stop starting sentences with... with whatever those are, I forget :P < 1244320475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't know what you mean. So < 1244320477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can't < 1244320491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "And" is invalid at the start of a sentence. < 1244320511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Citation needed. As far as I remember, it is just highly discouraged. < 1244320519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1244320521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is invalid. < 1244320524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have seen it quite often in English. < 1244320529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :books too < 1244320541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure I saw it in HHGTG for example. < 1244320549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the artistic effect I guess. < 1244320555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is valid in informal contexts. < 1244320557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, [citation needed] < 1244320569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, as I thought then. Highly discouraged. < 1244320578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, not really < 1244320583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, #esoteric is an informal context. < 1244320585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as "valid" as broken english is valid < 1244320595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., it can be understood < 1244320597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is not valid english < 1244320617 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet, we don't care if it's valid. < 1244320620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, [citation needed] < 1244320625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to avoid it < 1244320629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's incredibly awkward. < 1244320641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 2+2=4[citation needed HAHAHAHA I'M SO WITTY I CAN REFERENCE WIKIPEDIA] < 1244320644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In informal contexts, we don't give a flying fuck. < 1244320652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok den wuteva < 1244320656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol how r u asl? < 1244320656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's not exceptionally awkward. ;) < 1244320661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, You use it too. < 1244320663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha ur a nerd < 1244320667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, I don't. < 1244320677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as do several other in here. < 1244320684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1244320686 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: There's a difference between informal English and sounding stupid. < 1244320687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're imagining things < 1244320772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/and does say *some* consider it incorrect but also notes that "[...], but use of the word in this way is very common. The practice will be found in literature from Anglo-Saxon times onwards, especially as an aid to continuity in narrative and dialogue. The OED provides examples from the 9th century to the 19th century, including one from Shakespeare’s King John: [...]" < 1244320807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's terribly annoying < 1244320823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what? That Shakespeare used it too? < 1244320832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I guess you consider Shakespeare annoying < 1244320834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1244320866 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shakespeare did a lot of things. ;) < 1244320888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, because one instance of an annoying phrase by someone well-known for brutally raping the English language to pieces on a regular basis, means that I despise the man and all his works. < 1244320889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celarly. < 1244320900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, too; but obviously celarly is *informally valid*. < 1244320919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION beats ehird for not knowing what informal English is.
< 1244320943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh ok! pikhq,,,,, < 1244320947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf r u abut on < 1244320948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1244320986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þou art like unto an AOLer. < 1244321093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244321123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, as far as I can tell from wp it seems it is valid in informal English. And for special effects. < 1244321126 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you're not one of the "don't end sentences with prepositions" people ;) < 1244321130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, I'm not likely to stop with it. < 1244321146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, example of such? I can't think of one. < 1244321211 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: This is the type of sentence about which I was speaking < 1244321224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, seems reasonable enough. < 1244321225 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. "... which I was speaking about" < 1244321242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, the latter seems more natural enough. < 1244321259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure < 1244321470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1244322135 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244322549 0 :fernando!n=fernando@16.Red-79-145-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244322556 0 :fernando!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1244322573 0 :fernando!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest68422 < 1244322575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1244322588 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im logged as spike form another computer, just if anybody wonders... < 1244322605 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the same one, i'm reading the logs < 1244322612 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems my nick was mentioned < 1244322640 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, we were talking about Turing-completness of Brainfuck < 1244322663 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to know if anybody has ever tried whitespace language... < 1244322695 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to do a very simple thing, but i dont really understand some of the basics of the language < 1244322696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some discussion of "IO-completeness" on the wiki at some point, it's important for quines e.g. to be able to output in the same alphabet as the code is written in < 1244322725 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was one of the points... < 1244322730 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't looked very much at Whitespace
< 1244322752 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think /// is output-complete, for example, although it has no input < 1244322777 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont really know what /// is... < 1244322792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see my quine at http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/quine.sss < 1244322803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/quine.sss < 1244322814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1244322814 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\/\/\/\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//\/\/\/\\\/\/\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\// < 1244322819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh just slow < 1244322837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the beginning of the quine though, it's 1496 characters iirc < 1244322852 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1244322878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the /// can use other character than / and \ btw, i just found it interesting to show that those are enough for TC and quines < 1244322883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*those two < 1244322916 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks alien to me... :D < 1244322920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very simple self-modifying substitution language < 1244322954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the beginning of the program. if it doesn't start with / or \, print the first character and continue with the rest < 1244322966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it starts with \, print the character after that < 1244323002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it starts with /, that is a substitution command < 1244323013 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the form /source/replacement/ < 1244323037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where source and replacement can contain anything but / and \, or anything _escaped_ with \ < 1244323047 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy... < 1244323067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the sed/vi/perl substitution command reduced to the bare minimum < 1244323089 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1244323098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haldo. < 1244323113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, the first instance of source (escaping removed) in the rest is replaced by the replacement (also unescaped), repeat until source is nowhere to be seen < 1244323141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that, continue interpreting whatever the rest has turned into < 1244323169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /test/Hello, /testworld! < 1244323170 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1244323209 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /test2/test//test2/Hello, /testworld! < 1244323209 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1244323212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes This is a much shorter quine (but could be even shorter). < 1244323213 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a much shorter quine (but could be even shorter). < 1244323216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes < 1244323219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244323226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that *might* have been a quine < 1244323244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :null quine < 1244323253 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422: AnMaster keeps teasing me whenever i link to my quine, because in /// every program _not_ containing / or \ is _trivially_ a quine < 1244323263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah :P < 1244323286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just qualify. < 1244323291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wrote a non-trivial quine. < 1244323302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-trivial quines are, of course, the more interesting ones. < 1244323304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes I'm impressed by that < 1244323318 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as soon as you have one of those characters, you need to use similar self-replication methods to in other languages < 1244323328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/to/as/ < 1244323330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it is important to mention that trivial quines also exist in /// < 1244323363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is slashes output complete you said? < 1244323374 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is more interesting to note if there is no null-quine in a language < 1244323375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422: btw we use s/source/replacement/ in this channel for typo corrections, that is what made kerlo_ invent /// in the first place i think < 1244323382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha, oh? < 1244323393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha, an empty string -> no output < 1244323406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely if you give it a file containing nothing it will produce the same < 1244323415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could redirect the empty output to a file < 1244323421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then md5sum it with the original source < 1244323430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i _think_ it is output complete < 1244323432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is same, then it is either a collision or the same < 1244323441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can it be proven at all? < 1244323453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess if someone implemented bf in it < 1244323456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to < 1244323462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCT doesn't have IO iirc? < 1244323467 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I am not sure if that holds for each and every language possible, but for every language with a null-quine, trivial quines exist < 1244323468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf without , < 1244323478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes of course < 1244323486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I could've sworn that s/foo/bar/ was ridiculously common in IRC. < 1244323499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: perhaps, i'm not much in other channels < 1244323502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "even Windows users that don't even know sed understand it" common. < 1244323505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it is more interesting to note if there is no null-quine in a language <-- ah, it was cut off < 1244323522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up interpreting it as "null quines doesn't exist" < 1244323531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!test < 1244323553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my !help command never responded... < 1244323555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1244323556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easiest way to make that line make sense was to drop the "if" < 1244323556 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1244323577 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "output complete" mean? < 1244323588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: I could've sworn that s/foo/bar/ was ridiculously common in IRC. <-- yes it is < 1244323595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any technical channels < 1244323607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, say, #bash, but probably not #ubuntu < 1244323609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1244323623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: *Windows users* get it. < 1244323631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that makes no sense < 1244323656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't slashes isomorphic to thue < 1244323658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because it's used idiomatically on IRC, not because they use sed, Perl, awk, or anything else... < 1244323703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_, as in BF. You can output any string to stdout basically. < 1244323708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I misunderstood < 1244323725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244323737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, slashes can only output chars found in it's input however. < 1244323742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr < 1244323743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: by that i mean that it can compute arbitrary output in its alphabet < 1244323746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/input/program/ < 1244323752 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1244323765 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/// can easily do that. < 1244323770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: true, but it's not hard to include all of Latin1 < 1244323781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, a bit more work for all of utf-8 < 1244323786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand < 1244323788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: where that is meant in a technical sense that is hard to understand < 1244323790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need one of every byte < 1244323791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1244323797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just 255 bytes < 1244323797 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1244323804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a "lookup" table of some mad sort < 1244323813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then work on it < 1244323821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: basically it came out of the discussion we had about the socalled "quineless" language someone made < 1244323827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :256* < 1244323829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: thue does that too < 1244323841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah, I don't know thue though < 1244323844 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it'll be isomorphic to Thue once someone finds an isomorphism. < 1244323846 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that language disallowed printing the first character of the source code before any other < 1244323847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a true quineless, TC language: < 1244323848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wasn't aware of it < 1244323851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output is totally buffered < 1244323855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if output==program < 1244323859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PINK UNICORN BUTTS~!~" < 1244323861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is outputted < 1244323864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise output is outputted < 1244323871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and that violates my definition of output-completeness < 1244323876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244323876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1244323877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244323904 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "R" | "P" anything < 1244323914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there some esolang that mandates the implementation to output "the empty program is not a quine" if given an empty input program < 1244323917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot which one < 1244323927 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R runs the BF program, removing all instances of R from the output. P prints the string. < 1244323928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244323938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, who are you replying to < 1244323948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: thue is not self-modifying btw < 1244323948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: that's what the language was < 1244323949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1244323950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you < 1244323951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244323953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i know < 1244323955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1244323958 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The obvious quine is bottom. The other obvious quine is Ps repeated forever. < 1244323959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only modifies the initial string, not its own program < 1244323960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wasn't clear if it was me or kerlo_ < 1244323960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could just do some escaping magic < 1244323974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sure, probably < 1244323975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to emulate thue in /// < 1244323991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and hi Guest68422 < 1244324005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever you are < 1244324011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: most likely, by choosing slightly different encodings for the program and string part < 1244324037 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im Spike < 1244324045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is thue OC? < 1244324047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Homespring has "the empty program is not a quine" iirc < 1244324051 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster im on another computer... < 1244324058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah name sounds familiar < 1244324058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422 dies in the last episode < 1244324060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fyi. < 1244324065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks what "homespring" is
< 1244324078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homespring is amazing. < 1244324091 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to die, yes, but in this episode of "Whitespace Programming" < 1244324096 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422 is wearing a red shirt. < 1244324103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Homespring ? < 1244324108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did nobody pick up on my reference? :( < 1244324110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. < 1244324114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no < 1244324119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't expect you to < 1244324126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't watch TV. < 1244324131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The name stands for Hatchery Oblivion through Marshy Energy from Snowmelt Powers Rapids Insulated but Not Great." < 1244324131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not much. < 1244324132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah :P < 1244324132 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I know that people say that so-and-so dies in the last episode. < 1244324133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. < 1244324134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244324144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of what I watch is in ~/video/ < 1244324149 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVD rips FTW. < 1244324153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hey, that is mine! ;P < 1244324157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's a program, BTW. < 1244324164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, don't touch ~/video/airshows please :P < 1244324181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Oh, you've got ~/video/ *organised*? < 1244324182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, err yeah, the implementation of Homespring would be a program < 1244324184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true < 1244324219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, I mean "Hatchery Oblivion through Marshy Energy from Snowmelt Powers Rapids Insulated but Not Great." (IIRC) < 1244324233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall what it does. < 1244324233 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had an awesome idea the other day < 1244324239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422: Whitespace is not really a turing tarpit though, it has too many commands < 1244324244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, certainly. It is actually ~/video/// < 1244324261 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use inotify to allow you to arbitrarily restructure your bittorrent downloads while still seedign < 1244324269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ~/video/series for me, with a few movies in ~/video/ straight. < 1244324277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wut < 1244324280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: No, I mean "Hatchery Oblivion through Marshy Energy from Snowmelt Powers Rapids Insulated but Not Great." (IIRC) <-- that seems horrible /usr/bin/Long\ Escaped\ String < 1244324282 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any turing tarpit you recomend me? < 1244324290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ~/video/series/season. XD < 1244324292 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beside Brainfuck and Ook? < 1244324300 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't tried it really, it belongs to the category of "esoteric languages that are a thin varnish over a vanilla imperative or assembly-like language" < 1244324301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah, I have ~/video/incomming, which contains three files atm < 1244324304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for new stuff < 1244324306 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is for a paper im writing on esoteric languages < 1244324308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422: BCT. Lambda calculus. < 1244324317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two eminently typical tarpits. < 1244324318 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are not particularly interesting for a mathematician... < 1244324318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I don't have time to move it to the right place straight away < 1244324320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422: SKI. < 1244324323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imperative, functional. < 1244324332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:38 oerjan: i haven't tried it really, it belongs to the category of "esoteric languages that are a thin varnish over a vanilla imperative or assembly-like language" < 1244324333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried what < 1244324335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1244324337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace < 1244324343 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im looking for some languages that resembles the Turing machine < 1244324350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422: a turing machine. < 1244324355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also BCT, is quite turing machine-like. < 1244324357 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like in BF where you can imagine the array as a tape < 1244324364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422: Turing machine, P''. (AKA Brainfuck) < 1244324372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, but BCT is more tarpitty < 1244324381 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: True. < 1244324384 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SK combinator calculus < 1244324390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: that's not a turing machine < 1244324391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An, SKI. < 1244324395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/An/Ah/ < 1244324401 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but it's a turing tarpit < 1244324405 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it's stricly equivalent. < 1244324406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, lambda calculus has less baggage than the traditional SKI description < 1244324408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1244324416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because SKI is usually described in terms of lambdas < 1244324419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of term rewriting, < 1244324421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, less baggage? < 1244324422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, SKI is a lot simpler < 1244324431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S := \xyz.xy(zy) < 1244324433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you have a dictionary? use it < 1244324435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Exactly. < 1244324438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K := \xy.x < 1244324443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I := SKK < 1244324443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That relies on the LC thus is strictly more bloated than it. < 1244324446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1244324449 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1244324449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I know what baggage is. It is stuff you take with you when you travel. < 1244324454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you describe it in terms of tree rewriting, however... < 1244324456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but I fail to see how it applies here < 1244324464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: USE A FUCKING DICTIONARY! < 1244324465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah. < 1244324482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: BENKYOU! BENKYOU! < 1244324494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=baggage < 1244324502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know the second one < 1244324504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244324521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I am not tailoring my english to your inability to comprehend everything but the most literal, verbose language. < 1244324525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I still fails to see how it apply. < 1244324534 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244324538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah, so it has a non-literal meaning in English < 1244324542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that meaning. < 1244324555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Fuck off! You can look these things up for yourself. < 1244324557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find any defintion of it < 1244324566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh < 1244324568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried google's define: too < 1244324580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Somewhere out there, there's an idiom dictionary. < 1244324582 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422: ehird and AnMaster are the local "always quarrel, but not really _that_ harshly" duet. don't mind them. :) < 1244324597 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to ask my mom for the name of it for AnMaster. < 1244324604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and since I'm outside and ircing from a handheld. I don't have a dict handy atm < 1244324605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obviously my fault that AnMaster doesn't know english, indeed. < 1244324606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the web < 1244324607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244324611 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry eihrd, what is BCT? < 1244324622 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry ehird, what is BCT? < 1244324633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422, bitwise cyclic tags. < 1244324633 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422: most things mentioned here have a link on the esolangs wiki < 1244324644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422: esolangs.org/wiki/BCT < 1244324646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No s. < 1244324653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1244324658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction: < 1244324662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422: btw the way i proved /// TC was by implementing BCT in it. it is _extremely_ simple so useful for that < 1244324664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwie cyclic ta < 1244324665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1244324667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwie cyclic tag < 1244324667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1244324670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, thanks < 1244324691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You might want to learn to type, too. < 1244324693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitwie. < 1244324696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ... < 1244324699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said No s < 1244324699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244324716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I assumed you meant s/s//g < 1244324732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422: also try esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Turing_tarpits < 1244324737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it would be MUCH easier in lojban I bet :P < 1244324812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest68422: oh yeah, i was reminded of Fractran (which isn't it that list because it's not technically esoteric) < 1244324812 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1244324834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it should still be in Category:Turing tarpits though < 1244324973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds it
< 1244324973 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you! < 1244325032 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any compiler for Billiard ball machine? < 1244325039 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats weird.... < 1244325136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that ihope (= kerlo) didn't find any when he made the article for it < 1244325179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It then becomes Turing-complete if an infinite number of balls/obstacles is allowed." < 1244325181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expressable how < 1244325187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-repeating? < 1244325213 0 :Guest68422!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Saliendo" < 1244325221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect repeating is enough for such things < 1244325236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so basically, just replicate the playing field and deal with the edges < 1244325287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Fractran_plus_plus <-- wth? < 1244325296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean wth < 1244325305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244325311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy idea :) < 1244325314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Billiard ball machine seems like something that should be possible to implement in Alpaca.. < 1244325322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would be nice < 1244325339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with slightly different symbols < 1244325351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, why? < 1244325395 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a way to distinguish ball directions... < 1244325509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right. < 1244325609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244325609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turning it 45 degrees and using ><^v for example < 1244325636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the version documented there decide that direction issue you mention, in the input file < 1244325640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1244325664 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1244325666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it be TC with infinite gird? Aren't you still limited to the same number of balls? < 1244325676 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's really just a sketch of a language < 1244325679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244325682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains it < 1244325691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: infinite number of balls too, i assume < 1244325694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it proven to be TC then < 1244325703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Categories: Languages | Turing tarpits | No IO | Two-dimensional languages | Low-level | Reversible computing" < 1244325707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i would imagine you could make a turing tape < 1244325720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some complicated gates and a long, broad strip < 1244325720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sure, but someone put it in "turing tarpits" < 1244325737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't seem like correct if it isn't known to be TC < 1244325737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: let's ask kerlo < 1244325744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes kerlo_
< 1244325750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: where did you hear that Billiard Ball Machine is TC? < 1244325769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it says ihope edited it? < 1244325773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is kerlo == ihope? < 1244325778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1244325780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember. ihope changes nick so often < 1244325800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just whois him, it's still his account name < 1244325817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't understand the context of: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Talk:Billiard_ball_machine < 1244325864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that, i suggest asking MizardX :D < 1244325883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, um he isn't logged in. "* [oerjan] is signed on as account oerjan" <-- that is account name "* [kerlo_] (n=ihope@s1.normish.org): ihope" <-- the first is the ident, the second is the "real name" or "gecos", there are several names for it. But not account name. < 1244325889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, *prod* < 1244325929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In bra-ket notation, these gates can be expressed as follows:" <-- is that typo of "bracket" intentional? < 1244325930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i recall it was last time i whois'ed him < 1244325933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it something else < 1244325938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [kerlo_] (n=ihope@s1.normish.org): ihope < 1244325939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [kerlo_] #math #esoteric < 1244325939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [kerlo_] irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/ < 1244325939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [kerlo_] End of WHOIS list. < 1244325950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, standard quantum mechanics terminology < 1244325966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ok, Assume I know almost nothing about that < 1244325983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how are billiard related to quantum mechanics? < 1244325985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is* < 1244325986 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really liked the idea of reMorse2 < 1244325992 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any compiler? < 1244325998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : is the inner product of two state vectors in quantum mech. < 1244326010 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link form the documentation is broken... < 1244326031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :physicists separate those into which are called bra and ket part respectively < 1244326040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I did realise that since "Feynman gate" _was_ mentioned, quantum mechanics were involved somehow < 1244326049 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An infinite BBM with an infinite number of balls would be TC. < 1244326055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then |y> is a vector and last (fractran [13/21,385/13,1/7,3/11,7/2,1/3] ((2^7)*(3^4))) == 5^(7*4) < 1244327418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1244327419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1244327494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244327503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about reversible TMs < 1244327518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1244327523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you implement a non-reversible algorithm in them < 1244327527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, RSA for example < 1244327531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a well known example < 1244327545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I have to assume it is possible, since otherwise they wouldn't be TC < 1244327596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compute y += f(x) or y ^= f(x), those are reversible operations even if f isn't < 1244327611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244327612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm... < 1244327615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1244327617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reversible TM is just one that never throws away data < 1244327620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that makes sense < 1244327620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could encrypt S < 1244327624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd have to keep < 1244327624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S < 1244327629 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one trick i recall from reading about a reversible computer is: < 1244327641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244327664 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) calculate f(x) using whatever temporary space you need < 1244327668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so better not implement something that could be DDoSed in such a TM then :P < 1244327687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, mmm < 1244327695 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) copy the answer to the desired storage place (with adding or xoring, say) < 1244327707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) _uncalculate_ f(x) to reclaim the temporary space < 1244327727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. (3) is just (1) in reverse < 1244327753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, interesting < 1244327769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh reclaiming memory is probably not theoretically necessary, just ignore it < 1244327783 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's important for a practical reversible computer < 1244327794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and reversible TMs aren't practical I guess? < 1244327808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well TMs aren't really < 1244327826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do have quadratic overhead compared to a pointer architecture... < 1244327835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1244327843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a reversible pointer architecture? < 1244327846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be possible < 1244327876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, the example was fairly ordinary machine code, except nearly every instruction was reversible < 1244327894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244327897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nearly? < 1244327900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was also a "bit bucket" operation for really throwing away data, iirc < 1244327921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it worked by physically throwing the data out from the reversible chip :D < 1244327955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, link? < 1244327962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244327977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a couple years ago i read it < 1244327993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did it "physically throw"? < 1244328005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, a mechanical arm throwing away the memory chip? < 1244328084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean as in it transferred the bit out of the reversible part of the chip into a special area, i think < 1244328098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite recall < 1244328108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244328122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey there's a revcomp wiki < 1244328132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch not loading < 1244328167 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_computing but that's not where i read those things) < 1244328334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there it was i think < 1244328495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.34.6076 < 1244328524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the bit bucket ("bit erasure") part may have been just a theoretical discussion < 1244328581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how does one read that < 1244328593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the link the the actual thing < 1244328605 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a pdf cache link in the upper right < 1244328608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ai.mit.edu/~cvieri/thesis.ps is a 404 < 1244328629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244328631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is < 1244328648 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use that anyway since i don't have ps setup on this computer < 1244328666 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's also ps cache for those who want it) < 1244328687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use it, except the pdf renders better < 1244328692 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice of citeseer to do that < 1244328755 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that article looks like it's scanned in, anyway < 1244328850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1244328856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ps→pdf conversion < 1244328866 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1244328893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you think that this is a good format for fractran programs: "p=324234; 31/21, 385/13, "1/7, 3/11, 7/2, 1/3" < 1244328900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you think p should be user-specifiable? < 1244328900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both? < 1244328928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user-specifiable, that's the only input after all < 1244328931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I hink you got the quotes wrong < 1244328935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think* < 1244328942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no I didn't < 1244328947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, but some programs may only work with one value < 1244328951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"p=324234; 31/21, 385/13, "1/7, 3/11, 7/2, 1/3" <-- really? < 1244328953 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1244328956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does the middle one mean < 1244328958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Oh, fine. < 1244328962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typo, geez. < 1244328977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, then don't say you didn't without checking... < 1244328990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I glanced. < 1244329008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hm right, both then < 1244329038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk food < 1244329186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it mentions billiard ball model btw < 1244329191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ps < 1244329284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Brownian computer" :D < 1244329407 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244329615 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@c-98-223-147-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244329630 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody here will appreciate this (albeit unrelated to #esoteric ): http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/ < 1244329745 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244329774 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric : i'm grepping myself but slow | IT BUGLES MY MIND | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1244330086 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is obviously some strange usage of the word "masterpiece" that I hadn't previously been aware of. < 1244330091 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244330105 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a usage that only Eric, Michael, Kevin, Kevin and I use. < 1244330113 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where those names are friends of mine and their siblings) < 1244330163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind if we call you "Kevin" to keep it clear? < 1244330197 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily Kevin and Kevin are not siblings :P < 1244330232 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good. < 1244330280 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, Kevin is his own grandpa. < 1244330294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan/Eric, don't be daft. We should call him Eric. < 1244330319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now known as Michael
< 1244330355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as he's not idle < 1244330367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh < 1244330485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what is "Length of mandatory rest, in measures:" < 1244330515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it say that there should be at least that many measures that are rests? < 1244330526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/?mpid=Side-to-side+Prickly+Toccata this is good < 1244330528 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's more of a comment than anything else, but yeah. < 1244330538 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's not enforced. < 1244330544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, contiguous? < 1244330548 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah. < 1244330556 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Good keyword, I'll add that :P < 1244330575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, "Name/ID (blank for random):" <-- what sort of stuff do you get for random < 1244330588 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Names like Side-to-side Prickly Toccata < 1244330607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, Would be useful to be able to specify part of the name < 1244330607 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-31-231.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244330610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in No Time Flat < 1244330619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, such as saying it should be an "air" or whatever < 1244330629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, but getting random for the full name < 1244330645 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It chooses the music part of the name based on the time signature, but yeah, I guess that'd be somethingish *shrugs* < 1244330652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, consider it a feature request < 1244330661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, is time signature enforced? < 1244330687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Successfully created Masterpiece Now-and-then Political Dance" <-- interesting < 1244330698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think that failed < 1244330704 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1244330708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, < 1244330708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Style: Melody, harmony and flourish (3 tracks) < 1244330708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Number of tracks: 4 < 1244330711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug? < 1244330716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it supposed to allow that < 1244330724 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The style is just another comment. < 1244330749 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"style" and "measures rest" are just suggestions to the composer, so they don't affect anything else. < 1244330768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly I'm no good at composing. So I have to skip actually composing part of it < 1244330790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's build a DOMINO COMPUTER. < 1244330794 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-153.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244330797 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Leaving the "nothing" part :P < 1244330800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I will be away and unreachable from the 8th to the 13th (partly inclusive) < 1244330806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: YAY!!! < 1244330821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I will be sure to show you the photos :P < 1244330826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1244330836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, going to guided tour at Esrange (they launch rockets there) < 1244330841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amongst other things < 1244330846 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi again! < 1244330857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, :) < 1244330864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: hi. < 1244330869 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if anybody understands this list of operatos in ReMorese... : < 1244330875 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The (circular) List of Operations and their Opposites < 1244330875 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :operations|opposites|comments < 1244330875 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :----------+---------+-------- < 1244330875 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push |pop |into/outof datum < 1244330875 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output chr|input chr|always ASCII (use stack) < 1244330876 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit sort |tros tib |bit sort (stacktop) normal/reverse < 1244330878 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :select bit|filt bit |stacktop=stacktop AND YES/NOT funky < 1244330880 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot left |rot right|rotate funky (bitwise) < 1244330880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you might want to check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esrange < 1244330882 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :increase |decrease |(datum) by value in funky reg < 1244330884 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ptr forth |ptr back |by value in funky reg < 1244330886 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jmp forth |jmp back |by top value on stack < 1244330887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_, pastebin.com < 1244330890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pastebin.ca < 1244330892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similiar < 1244330901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what does it matter when nobody is talking? < 1244330902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for long pastes) < 1244330907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only annoying if the channel is activ < 1244330908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1244330909 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry ok < 1244330911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you consider me "nobody"= < 1244330915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee. thanks < 1244330915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes :) < 1244330927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: there's no ReMorese page on the wiki < 1244330930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1244330941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: oh, http://esolangs.org/wiki/ReMorse? < 1244330953 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand what push, output and increase does < 1244330962 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i found it there < 1244330962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: look on the wiki page < 1244330965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has longtext descriptions < 1244330989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm now interested in reversible turing tarpits. < 1244330991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I have to write one! < 1244331037 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what im not really getting is why remorse2 uses "fake push" < 1244331076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1244331086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: did you say you're writing a paper on esolangs? < 1244331112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, who wrote that first music piece < 1244331126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is plural who < 1244331136 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Michael, Eric and I. < 1244331147 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In that order, track-wise) < 1244331151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Plural who? < 1244331153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that works. < 1244331159 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who says it doesn't? < 1244331173 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it'd better only be one person who says it doesn't! ;) ) < 1244331181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm... so what do you say if you mean "who" -> group of people < 1244331184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than one person < 1244331187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm not sure < 1244331192 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You say "who" :P < 1244331194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is valid < 1244331197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your sentence is just odd :P < 1244331197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I thought it was just "who" < 1244331199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the average American watches TV for about 2 hours a day" < 1244331200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ LOL < 1244331202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus is it plural "who" < 1244331204 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i feel that project is destined to fall < 1244331214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: har har har < 1244331235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would have guessed a bit more < 1244331240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 or 5 maybe? < 1244331253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 8. < 1244331256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 days a week. < 1244331271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. What about work < 1244331278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What about it? < 1244331283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and sleep < 1244331287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get it to add up < 1244331293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If we say 7 days a week instead of 5, it's 5) < 1244331300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets say, 8 hours of sleep, minimum. < 1244331304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per night < 1244331304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: check out Kayak < 1244331308 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird yes, thats what im doing < 1244331311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on average < 1244331316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes more sometimes less < 1244331322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Your issue is assuming any sort of sanity beyond mindless TV-watching in the average American mind. < 1244331324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you really can't manage with less in the long run < 1244331328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: high school or university? < 1244331333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then work takes maybe 8 hours a day < 1244331336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe more < 1244331346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is 8 + 8 = 16. < 1244331348 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is for a professor at my university < 1244331356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rite < 1244331361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that leaves 8 hours. < 1244331365 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he teches algorythmic < 1244331369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for TV AND traveling to work AND eating < 1244331372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You do know that the average american is a part time schmuck, right? < 1244331373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and going to the toilet < 1244331384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles "schmuck"
< 1244331389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: algorhythmic is the study of algorithms for RHYTHM. < 1244331394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but seriously, I think you mean algorithms :) < 1244331400 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think this topic is great for comparing turing machines with really simple languages < 1244331400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schmuck (pejorative), an insulting term for a stupid person or dimwitted fool or an unwanted guest < 1244331401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schmuck (surname) < 1244331404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the former < 1244331412 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes thats what i mean < 1244331414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: Yeah, it is < 1244331422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Schmuck is a surname. Of German origin, it means jewel or jewelry." < 1244331435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no references though < 1244331442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: If you want a real TM, our resident ais523 proved this turing machine turing complete: http://www.wolframscience.com/prizes/tm23/ < 1244331447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's the smallest possible TC TM < 1244331455 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but before writing, i need to understand myself how this things work... :D < 1244331456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway you can't manage 8 hours TV < 1244331462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at most slightly less < 1244331476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: remember, this is for 5-days-a-week < 1244331480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spread over 7 days instead so you get 5 then it works < 1244331482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 7 days a week it comes to 5 hours < 1244331486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you know what part-time means? < 1244331490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that work=8hrs is incorrect. < 1244331494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah < 1244331509 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he won the $25.000? < 1244331523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I thought you mean "part time schmuck" => "part time (an insulting term for a stupid person or dimwitted fool or an unwanted guest)" < 1244331524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: yes (although in the UK and US, you just said $25 :-P) < 1244331529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus "not always an idiot" < 1244331532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: haha < 1244331533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but sometmes" < 1244331544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it was possible to interpret it that way < 1244331549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm not sure it's possible to change your schmuckiness :) < 1244331555 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, 25,000 then < 1244331564 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1244331566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, It is due to language barrier. < 1244331572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than anything else < 1244331588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: yeah, but he's a uni student; I think he's burned it off on mostly living expenses by now < 1244331598 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a Swedish person sitting right next to me who I'm sure would have no problem understanding that. Language barrier shmanguage barrier :P < 1244331624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: AnMaster complained at me for defending someone who ran into a language barrier in here i while ago < 1244331625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1244331631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, plus I have always been what we in Swedish call "en ensamvarg", an idiom meaning rougly someone who prefers to be alone. For example, rather reading a book alone at home, than going to a party < 1244331634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1244331649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Nerd". < 1244331650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1244331653 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uggo" < 1244331653 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one language barrier question: what does "Bit sort the stack byte in place" means? < 1244331664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not exactly, different connotations < 1244331668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spelling?) < 1244331668 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244331677 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: I, as a native speaker of English, have not a fekking clue. < 1244331678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: a byte is made up of N bits - usually 32 or 64 < 1244331687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: but let's say, oh, 10 for demonstration < 1244331690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: er, what? < 1244331698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: well, 0101010101 -> 0000011111 would be that < 1244331700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorting the bits" < 1244331701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this concept doesn't imply nerdiness. It could imply shyness too. But it doesn't require that either < 1244331702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt it's that < 1244331706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have no clue :) < 1244331713 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That was my first though, but that seems so stupid :P < 1244331724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1244331729 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Hermit" < 1244331733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: As a "random crazy operation", though, it could work. < 1244331744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: It... counts the number of 1s, I think. < 1244331746 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::? < 1244331752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Spike_: a byte is made up of N bits - usually 32 or 64 <-- *blink* < 1244331761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: er < 1244331763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually 8 :P < 1244331770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: yep, it does < 1244331780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: it results in 2**count_of_ones - 1 < 1244331804 0 :Spike_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8, 16, 32, whatever... why ReMorse language needs such operation for? < 1244331807 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolololol < 1244331811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spike_: No idea. < 1244331813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, again not same. En "eremit" (The Swedish term), is someone living way out in the forest or such in a hut. While a "ensamvarg" may live in society, just not take active part of the social aspects. < 1244331837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH < 1244331841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a gale-force wind. < 1244331844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going over your head. < 1244331850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm looking for a good translation < 1244331852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a joke < 1244331861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus I choose to ignore the joke aspect of it < 1244331864 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :table[popcount(x)] < 1244331865 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy < 1244331872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally it means "lonesome wolf" < 1244331881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm sure. < 1244331884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try. < 1244331892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes indeed < 1244331903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you have it in Norwegian btw? < 1244331925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I actually did, the joke part was irrelevant to this convo < 1244331925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1244331929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus I ignored it. < 1244331937 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in one word anyhow... < 1244331945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: stop being irrelevant, you uncouth person! < 1244331976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by not sure, i mean the term "ensom ulv" is used, but i'm not sure it means exactly the same) < 1244331989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1244331995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so what does it mean then < 1244332003 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the norwegian would be "enstøing" < 1244332018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is "Tagalog". Saw it in an interwiki link... < 1244332029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a language < 1244332035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, constructed one? < 1244332037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tagalog can mean: < 1244332037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tagalog language, the most widely spoken of the Philippine languages. < 1244332039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tagalog people, the second-largest Filipino ethnic group. < 1244332040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tagalog script, the ancient writing system of the Tagalog people. < 1244332043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no < 1244332047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I wish you would buy a mouse so you can CLICK LINKS AND FIND OUT. < 1244332050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like a constructed one < 1244332066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, interwiki link... as in interwiki language one < 1244332072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't read the page I got by clicking < 1244332077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Copy, paste, google. < 1244332081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: languages around there sometimes do, it's a malayo-polynesian thing < 1244332086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure. But that != clicking < 1244332093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you claimed < 1244332098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Click, drag, release, middle click, click search. < 1244332099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY < 1244332109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CV syllable structure. japanese too... < 1244332132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "click, drag" -> dragging link pastes the url of the link into the google search box < 1244332142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on browser of course < 1244332154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Click, drag to select. < 1244332157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X11 clipboard. < 1244332171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION switches to using dvtm with emacs w3m-mode just to annoy ehird
< 1244332175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we are < 1244332201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, remember that "Zaba" I mentioned? < 1244332207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, god. < 1244332210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Don't tell me. < 1244332214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He switched to dvtm. < 1244332216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fulltime. < 1244332218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I told him about dvtm he said he would use it if he needed terminal multiplexing < 1244332224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, he said he didn't though < 1244332231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 6 vts were more than enough < 1244332235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1244332237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to go kill him? pikhq? < 1244332242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for justice, and humanity. < 1244332277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, whatever you do, don't tell zzo about dvtm < 1244332279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine it < 1244332287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fully configurable dvtm < 1244332300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1244332312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm "screen refresh on new output from program should be an option" < 1244332313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he'd write his own virtual terminal layer < 1244332317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244332367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, any idea for other options he would add? < 1244332377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :program_source = < 1244332418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what would it do < 1244332432 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1244332441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: change the source to zzodvtm. < 1244332444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sv:enstöring/ensamvarg links to en:loner (also there was a tagalog link, were you at the same page? :D) < 1244332475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1244332496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes. But notice what it says about the difference between those two Swedish words < 1244332537 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... < 1244332543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The modern term "loner" is usually used with a negative connotation" <-- "ensamvarg" doesn't in Swedish. "enstöring" does however. < 1244332555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_wolf_(trait) < 1244332563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that is interesting < 1244332587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes in Swedish it is used in a non-literal meaning < 1244332601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is described further down there < 1244332767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditto in English. < 1244332799 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Lone Wolf