00:00:00 Lune-a Vulff 00:00:12 -!- GregorR-L has changed nick to Lune-aVulff. 00:01:02 GregorR, no no. 00:01:10 au claire de la lune 00:01:23 *clair 00:01:25 oerjan, hm... that sounds extremely familiar... 00:01:29 what the heck is that from 00:01:41 it's a french song 00:01:46 A famous one :P 00:01:55 ah yes Debussy 00:02:00 Clair de lune 00:02:20 but "au claire de la lune" isn't the name of it 00:02:24 as far as I can find 00:02:34 it's not debussy 00:02:38 it's a folk song 00:02:42 oh? Just similiar names then 00:02:43 right 00:02:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Au_Clair_de_la_Lune 00:02:52 well I haven't heard of that folk song before 00:03:06 I have heard Clair de lune by Debussy though 00:03:36 -!- Corun|away has changed nick to Corun. 00:04:16 It's better anyway X-P 00:04:38 Lune-aVulff: do we have compose yet? 00:04:54 ... do ... we ... have ... compose ... yet ... 00:05:51 EgoBot. 00:05:52 Command. 00:05:54 The ".". 00:06:13 ehird, Three. Two. One. Igntion. We have compose. 00:06:28 !swedish Because, you see, I want to do things like Swedish^2. 00:06:29 Becoose-a, yuoo see-a, I vunt tu du theengs leeke-a Svedeesh^2. Bork Bork Bork! 00:06:32 ehird: Oh, no :P 00:06:34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clair_de_Lune 00:06:34 !swedish Becoose-a, yuoo see-a, I vunt tu du theengs leeke-a Svedeesh^2. Bork Bork Bork! 00:06:35 Becuuse-a-a, yoouu see-a-a, I foont too doo zeeengs leeke-a-a Sfedeesh^2. Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! 00:06:39 :DDD 00:06:45 !swedish Becuuse-a-a, yoouu see-a-a, I foont too doo zeeengs leeke-a-a Sfedeesh^2. Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! 00:06:46 Becoooose-a-a-a, yuuoooo see-a-a-a, I fuunt tuu duu zeeengs leeke-a-a-a Sffedeesh^2. Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! 00:06:47 * AnMaster prods ehird 00:06:53 hmm 00:06:54 !help 00:06:54 help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . 00:06:58 !help userinterps 00:06:59 userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. 00:07:05 !userinterps 00:07:05 Installed user interpreters: bc bct bfbignum brit chiqrsx9p choo dc echo google gregor hello num ook plot rot13 sadbf slashes swedish yodawg 00:07:14 !swedish Hello, world! This is a test. 00:07:14 Hellu, vurld! Thees is a test. Bork Bork Bork! 00:07:16 Lune-aVulff, you need to add an UK English parody one 00:07:18 !brit Hellu, vurld! Thees is a test. Bork Bork Bork! 00:07:19 'ellu, vurld! Oi! Fees is a test. Bork Bork Bork! Oi! 00:07:21 AnMaster: fail 00:07:31 ehird, why is that? 00:07:38 AnMaster: !brit X_X 00:07:39 !brit AnMaster: We already have one, that is the truth. 00:07:39 AnMaster: We already 'ave one, that is the bloody truth. 00:07:41 Parody of Oxford English 00:07:45 oh. 00:07:46 That's boring. 00:07:48 ehird, ah I didn't know about it 00:07:54 !brit This is how real Brits talk. 00:07:55 This is 'ow real Brits go on. 00:08:01 That is just expanding all contractions, and pronouncing it in Received Pronunciation. 00:08:04 !brit Why? 00:08:05 W, luv? 00:08:05 Do you see? 00:08:06 hm 00:08:08 what 00:08:09 Haha 00:08:10 "W, 00:08:10 " 00:08:19 it should go "Hwhy" 00:08:21 clearly 00:08:22 :P 00:08:31 !brit AnMaster: This is basically accurate for Londoners. 00:08:32 AnMaster: This is basically accurate for Cockneys. 00:08:37 Haha 00:08:38 HAH 00:08:41 !show brit 00:08:42 sh cockney 00:08:46 heh 00:08:56 !brit Stairs 00:08:56 Apples and pears 00:08:56 Lune-aVulff, where is that program from 00:08:58 YES 00:09:01 IT GETS IT RIGHT 00:09:04 what package 00:09:12 GNU talkfilters 00:09:13 !brit head 00:09:13 ehird, I tail at Cockneys rhymes 00:09:14 'ead 00:09:23 oh my 00:09:27 GNU talkfilters 00:09:32 they check your mail too? 00:09:36 :P 00:09:41 AnMaster: To interpret them, just disregard the first word, and think of something that rhymes with the latter that fixes. 00:09:44 "Go up the apples and pears." 00:09:47 → "Go up the [pears]." 00:09:48 Stairs. 00:09:49 Jun 7 00:53:27 tux /usr/sbin/gpm[4899]: *** info [daemon/processrequest.c(42)]: 00:09:49 Jun 7 00:53:27 tux /usr/sbin/gpm[4899]: Request on 7 (console 0) 00:09:49 what 00:09:50 Go up the stairs. 00:09:54 I never seen that before 00:09:56 You have to know 'em, really. 00:10:15 ehird, hm... "stairs" rhyme with "pears"? 00:10:20 Lune-aVulff: That talkfilters is by the same guy who did libconfig and that JVM server. 00:10:22 *blink* 00:10:23 AnMaster: Uh, yes. 00:10:28 AnMaster: ... 00:10:49 Did you think that "pears" sounded like "peers"? 00:10:50 AnMaster: Stares. Pares. 00:10:56 Lune-aVulff: LOL 00:11:11 Lune-aVulff: [[The filters include austro, b1ff, brooklyn, chef, cockney, drawl, dubya, fudd, funetak, jethro, jive, kraut, pansy, pirate, postmodern, redneck, valspeak, and warez]] 00:11:13 ehird, [st]airs [p]ears? 00:11:16 i'm going to add all of them now, ok? 00:11:20 AnMaster: Yes. 00:11:25 ehird: Most of them are surprisingly lame :( 00:11:31 ehird, same sounds as for airs and ears then? 00:11:36 ehird: I left it to those two because they're actually good. 00:11:44 Pairs? 00:11:48 AnMaster: So you have no understanding of English then? Got it :P 00:12:30 -!- Dewio has joined. 00:12:31 !addinterp aol sh b1ff 00:12:32 Interpreter aol installed. 00:12:38 !aol I'm an AOL user! 00:12:39 Lune-aVulff, hm... 00:12:39 1"M AN AOL USER!!!!!!!!!!1 00:12:42 Lune-aVulff: That's not AOL. 00:12:47 That's B1FF. 00:12:53 I'm going to add them all with their proper names, harumph. 00:12:55 !aol I beg to disagree. 00:12:56 1 BEG 2 DISAGREE. 00:12:56 um ea and ee are usually the same sound in english aren't they 00:12:57 Lune-aVulff, well there is something similiar in them 00:13:15 Lune-aVulff, but not in US English right? 00:13:19 !delinterp brit 00:13:19 Interpreter brit deleted. 00:13:20 as much I mean 00:13:22 !delinterp aol 00:13:22 Interpreter aol deleted. 00:13:23 !delinterp swedish 00:13:23 Interpreter swedish deleted. 00:13:27 !addinterp austro sh austro 00:13:27 !addinterp b1ff sh b1ff 00:13:27 Interpreter austro installed. 00:13:27 Interpreter b1ff installed. 00:13:29 !addinterp brooklyn sh brooklyn 00:13:29 Interpreter brooklyn installed. 00:13:30 !addinterp chef sh chef 00:13:31 Interpreter chef installed. 00:13:33 !addinterp cockney sh cockney 00:13:33 Interpreter cockney installed. 00:13:34 !addinterp drawl sh drawl 00:13:35 Interpreter drawl installed. 00:13:36 !addinterp dubya sh dubya 00:13:37 Interpreter dubya installed. 00:13:37 ... 00:13:39 !addinterp fudd sh fudd 00:13:39 Interpreter fudd installed. 00:13:40 ehird: #egobot 00:13:40 !addinterp funetak sh funetak 00:13:41 Interpreter funetak installed. 00:13:43 !addinterp jehtro sh jehtro 00:13:43 Interpreter jehtro installed. 00:13:43 !delinterpreter chef 00:13:44 !addinterp kraut sh kraut 00:13:45 Interpreter kraut installed. 00:13:46 !addinterp pansy sh pansy 00:13:47 Interpreter pansy installed. 00:13:48 !addinterp pirate sh pirate 00:13:49 Interpreter pirate installed. 00:13:51 !addinterp postmodern sh postmodern 00:13:51 Interpreter postmodern installed. 00:13:52 !addinterp redneck sh redneck 00:13:53 Interpreter redneck installed. 00:13:53 because that one is just his !swedish 00:13:54 !addinterp valspeak sh valspeak 00:13:55 Interpreter valspeak installed. 00:13:55 ehird, spam 00:13:57 !addinterp warez sh warez 00:13:57 Interpreter warez installed. 00:13:58 Doo doo doo. 00:13:59 spam 00:14:01 Lune-aVulff: Sorry, bit late. 00:14:03 AnMaster: I deleted those. 00:14:04 please use #egobot 00:14:09 like Lune-aVulff said 00:14:10 Shut up, I didn't know about it. 00:14:15 I'd already sent the lines off. 00:14:19 ehird, /flushq 00:14:22 !dubya Strategy 00:14:22 Strategy 00:14:23 or whatever your client uses 00:14:26 to flush it's queue 00:14:32 GregorR: Did not say strategery. 00:14:33 AnMaster: None. 00:14:37 ehird, FAIL 00:14:42 ehird: See, dubya is one of the lame ones. I can't find something that it changes. 00:14:46 AnMaster: Give a shit I don't. 00:14:57 !dubya We are at war with the Iranic terrorists. 00:14:57 We is at war with the Iranically evildoers. Stay the course! 00:14:59 !help 00:14:59 help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . 00:15:00 !dubya We are at war with the Islamic terrorists. 00:15:01 We is at war with the Islamically bad guys. 00:15:05 !help userinterps 00:15:06 userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. 00:15:06 That's not dubya. 00:15:07 Oh well. 00:15:11 !userinterps 00:15:12 Installed user interpreters: austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brooklyn chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney dc drawl dubya echo fudd funetak google gregor hello jehtro kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern redneck rot13 sadbf slashes valspeak warez yodawg 00:15:15 hm 00:15:17 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 00:15:18 they still fit 00:15:19 !valspeak Val speak? What? 00:15:19 Val speak? What? 00:15:20 -!- Lune-aVulff has quit ("Leaving"). 00:15:26 !postmodern test 00:15:27 test 00:15:27 !valspeak What is valspeak, I wonder? 00:15:28 What is valspeak, fer shure I wonder? 00:15:36 !postmodern The objects are ontologically categorized 00:15:36 Tted Kennedy objects are ontologically categorized 00:15:37 !postmodern So what is this then? 00:15:38 So what is semiotically this semiotically then? 00:15:40 :D 00:15:42 It works! 00:15:59 ehird, what is this "postmodern" 00:16:01 I don't get it 00:16:03 google postmodernism 00:16:24 !postmodern The objects are ontologically categorized by the literature-social relation that is so common to these works, so that a new theory based on inter-spatial relationships can be developed and refined in according with the principles of reductionism. 00:16:24 Tted Kennedy objects are ontologically categorized by tted Kennedy literature-social relation that deconstructed is semiotically so common to these works, so that deconstructed a postmodern theory based on inter-spatial relationships can be developed and refined in the penetrated space of according with tted Kennedy principles of reductionism. 00:16:34 Okay, uh, that cold do better. 00:16:55 Oh well. 00:17:02 !drawl I have a drawl, 'tis true. 00:17:02 Ahv uh drawl, 'tis true. 00:17:04 ehird, Hm... I know parts of postmodernism 00:17:08 but I don't get this 00:17:25 AnMaster: Postmodernism is a load of bullshit involving words like "ontological", "semiotic" and other bullshit. 00:17:47 !postmodern Would you like a cup of coffee, dear? 00:17:47 Would you like a cup of coffee, dear? 00:17:51 bah 00:18:03 !pirate YARRRRRRRR 00:18:04 YARRRRRRRR 00:18:09 !pirate Well, it sure does work. 00:18:09 Well, it sure does work, I'll warrant ye. 00:18:13 :D 00:18:40 ehird, hm. Not only I believe after reading the WP article about it 00:18:45 possibly it is one aspect yes 00:19:05 AnMaster: If you can read a few paragraphs of the article "Postmodernism" and your brain has not turned into goo, it was already goo. 00:19:29 AnMaster: see, for instance, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair 00:19:42 !postmodern In order to create goo, insert brain in slot no. 4 00:19:43 In the penetrated space of order to create goo, insert brain the penetrated space of in the penetrated space of slot no. 4 00:19:47 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_wars, too. 00:20:00 "They like evidence and reason but we like word masturbation." 00:20:03 "FIGHT!" 00:20:25 SCHMIGHT! 00:20:37 Ooh. 00:20:37 interesting... 00:20:40 I might write a filter for that 00:20:56 "The green grass is so beautiful! Oh, and the blue sky! This is so perfect, I want to be here forever." 00:20:57 → 00:21:09 cya 00:21:16 n 00:21:21 "The green grass is so beautiful, schmeautiful. Oh, and the blue sky, shmy! This is so perfect, schmerfect, I want to be here forever." 00:21:25 AnMaster: I'm not gone :P 00:21:31 ehird, you abused the arrow! 00:22:03 !userinterps 00:22:03 Installed user interpreters: austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brooklyn chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney dc drawl dubya echo fudd funetak google gregor hello jehtro kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern redneck rot13 sadbf slashes valspeak warez yodawg 00:22:23 !pansy Oh! That hurts! You touched me! 00:22:23 Oh. Mmmh, yeth! That hurtth. Mmmh, yeth! You touched me. Mmmh, yeth! 00:22:30 ... 00:22:34 GregorR: WAT 00:22:42 ANGKOR 00:22:55 !fudd I'm hunting rabbits. 00:22:56 I'm hunting wabbits. 00:23:03 !fudd It's rabbit season. 00:23:03 It's wabbit season, uh-hah-hah-hah. 00:23:16 !redneck Please stand still so I can hit you. 00:23:17 Please stand still so Ah kin hit yew. 00:23:18 "fudd"? 00:23:22 AnMaster: Elmer Fudd. 00:23:26 * AnMaster googles 00:23:33 The vegetarian Bugs Bunny-hunter. 00:23:39 ah yes 00:23:46 ehird, I have only seen Swedish translation 00:23:49 and that was years ago 00:23:55 so I don't even remember the Swedish name 00:23:58 !fudd Be very very quiet, I'm hunting rabbits. 00:23:58 Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting wabbits. 00:24:03 It forgot the hahs. 00:24:21 -!- Dewi has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)). 00:25:18 -!- Judofyr has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:25:35 ehird, they lost that when adding Swedish voices instead 00:25:52 he had some other speech impediment iirc. 00:25:56 forgot what 00:26:36 hahs? 00:26:39 r→w? 00:26:50 ehird, cya! 00:26:50 That's what it had in... in thingy, you know, English. 00:26:53 AnMaster: stfu 00:26:57 heh 00:29:00 ehird, post-modernism in design and novels is something different from that though 00:29:03 -!- pikhq has quit (Connection timed out). 00:29:12 as far as I understand? 00:31:29 "The term postmodern is described by Merriam-Webster as meaning either "of, relating to, or being an era after a modern one" or "of, relating to, or being any of various movements in reaction to modernism that are typically characterized by a return to traditional materials and forms (as in architecture) or by ironic self-reference and absurdity (as in literature)", or finally "of, relating to, or bei 00:31:29 ng a theory that involves a radical reappraisal of modern assumptions about culture, identity, history, or language"." 00:31:36 I have run into the second meaning 00:31:40 specially for literature 00:32:02 and I even seen Discworld classified as post-modern 00:32:13 in that sense 00:33:25 er no 00:36:28 ehird, Seems like postmodernism in Swedish have a slightly wider meaning 00:36:32 reading the Swedish wp page 00:42:26 And the Ehird said: Thou shalt not start a sentence with "And". And everyone begot mightily confused. 00:42:36 * ehird kills oerjan 00:43:11 And what's so wrong with starting sentences with 'and'? 00:43:24 * ehird kills GregorR 00:43:59 Do you complain about ending sentences with prepositions? 00:44:24 -!- pikhq_ has changed nick to pikhq. 00:44:38 GregorR: No, that's fine/ 00:44:39 *. 00:44:40 I think prepositions are a perfectly appropriate thing to end sentences with. 00:44:42 I think someone else asked that before.... 00:44:46 wasn't it Asztal? 00:44:51 And possibly someone else too 00:44:53 not sure 00:45:03 Do you complain about split infinitives? 00:45:31 oerjan: Way to make that sentence as awkward as possible to prove a point about it not being awkward :P 00:45:31 psygnisfive: Care to beat ehird? 00:45:44 pikhq, And to boldly use "and" at the start of sentences where no one used "and" before? 00:45:44 ah, it's futile to powerlessly complain... 00:45:47 psygnisfive will fight with me against and-starters! He is not evil! 00:45:47 pikhq, :D 00:46:36 GregorR: And please, is what we aim to. 00:46:54 pikhq, I have, as a non-native speaker, troubles detecting split infinitives. To me they sound perfectly normal 00:47:10 they are 00:47:23 oerjan: Way to make that sentence as awkward as possible to prove a point about it not being awkward :P <-- um your was somehow. But not oerjan's 00:47:33 sorry, whats this now 00:47:46 psygnisfive: I hate sentences starting with and 00:47:48 the evil masses do not 00:47:52 WE WILL FIGHT! TOGETHER! 00:47:58 FOR CORRECTNESS AND PROSPERITY! 00:48:11 AnMaster: They are, in fact, quite normal. 00:48:26 And correctness and prosperity is what we will fight for! 00:48:33 ehird: noone cares what you think because you're 13. 00:48:34 I hate sentences *ending* with and. 00:48:36 And lo and behold. psygnisfive disagreed with ehird. 00:48:38 ;D 00:48:49 AnMaster: The complaints about split infinitives were started by some bloody bastards that decided to start applying Latin grammar rules to English. 00:48:49 AnMaster: That's a rather odd definition of disagreeing. 00:48:50 lament, :D 00:48:59 psygnisfive: I'M ALMOST 14 00:49:13 pikhq, ah 00:49:14 whats that? sorry, i dont care what you think. 00:49:25 ehird, I was right. As usual. 00:50:16 AnMaster: He hasn't disagreed with me. 00:50:18 He's just joking about my age 00:50:39 why bother disagreeing with a child who knows nothing of the world 00:50:46 And be, or not to, that is the question. 00:50:47 psygnisfive, so what do you think about sentences starting with and? 00:50:52 its like disagreeing with a bunny rabbit 00:51:00 I'm a bunny rabbit, incidentally. 00:51:04 anmaster: they're grammatically correct. 00:51:06 oerjan, that is stretching it... 00:51:09 aww bunneh! 00:51:12 * psygnisfive cuddles ehird 00:51:16 bunnyyyy 00:51:26 * ehird continues state of bunnyness. 00:51:26 psygnisfive, just not used a lot in formal English right? 00:51:27 sorry, that should be, "And be, that is the question, or not to." 00:51:43 anmaster: it depends alot on who's formal english. 00:51:44 oerjan, err. Is that all third at once 00:51:48 three* 00:51:52 psygnisfive, ah I see 00:51:56 psygnisfive: 'a lot' 00:51:59 alot. 00:52:03 psygnisfive, so you disagree with ehird then 00:52:05 as I said 00:52:06 :) 00:52:13 English disagrees with ehird. 00:52:17 AnMaster: he also uses "alot", which isn't a word. 00:52:31 actually alot is a word, ehird. 00:52:37 Adverb 00:52:37 alot 00:52:39 Common misspelling of a lot. 00:52:41 [edit]Noun 00:52:42 alot 00:52:44 by all necessary definitions of alot. 00:52:45 Common misspelling of a lot. 00:52:46 er, word. 00:52:46 http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/alot.html 00:52:49 Perhaps this common spelling error began because there does exist in English a word spelled “allot” which is a verb meaning to apportion or grant. The correct form, with “a” and “lot” separated by a space is perhaps not often encountered in print because formal writers usually use other expressions such as “a great deal,” “often,” etc. 00:52:53 psygnisfive: Wiktionary and /errors/ disagree with you. 00:53:00 Alot is a town and a nagar panchayat in Ratlam district in the state of Madhya Pradesh, India. 00:53:00 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alot 00:53:04 yes a word 00:53:05 :P 00:53:07 pikhq: Even you, surely, will agree that "alot" is not a word. 00:53:12 anmaster, hey, guess what, "until" is a misspelling of "on till" 00:53:21 Alot is a misspelling of a word. 00:53:22 psygnisfive, interesting 00:53:22 except it became accepted as standard. 00:53:32 very interesting 00:53:35 Or the result of someone who accidentally the space. 00:53:43 pikhq, :D 00:53:45 luckily, languages themselves dont care about "acceptance", only usage. 00:53:47 therefore you're wrong. 00:53:53 as usual. 00:53:54 pikhq, was that intentional 00:53:55 pikhq: Pfft! You're not nearly descriptivist enough! If we can sample text messages, we will see the true english! 00:53:55 ? 00:53:59 thx 4 dat, psygnisfive 00:54:03 np 00:54:03 u tort me a gud lesson 00:54:07 AnMaster: Yes. Slashdot meme. 00:54:11 now i no wot english is 00:54:12 pikhq: ... 00:54:13 pikhq: Slashdot? 00:54:14 pikhq, hm 00:54:15 It's a 4chan mem. 00:54:17 *mem 00:54:19 *meme 00:54:19 psygnisfive: Exceptions made for those languages that have official language bodies. (French) :p 00:54:25 http://encyclopediadramatica.com/I_accidentally_X 00:54:28 no, exceptions not made. 00:54:39 ehird: Didn't know it was a meme from 4chan initially. 00:54:49 just because some twats get together and declare themselves to be the keepers of French doesnt mean shit 00:54:51 ehird: Doesn't surprise me. 00:54:54 here, watch, pikhq 00:54:56 pikhq: 4chan→reddit→slowpoke valley (it's old in the previous two now)→slashdot 00:55:01 4chan is the literal asshole of the Internet. 00:55:12 All shit comes out of it. 00:55:16 I declare myself to be the sole authority on the English language, with fiat to declare what is and isn't English. 00:55:27 psygnisfive: Fuck off. 00:55:27 ;) 00:55:28 pikhq, ah yes. Except now it won't. See that recent xkcd. 00:55:30 exactly. 00:55:36 psygnisfive: the norwegian _parliament_ actually passed a law changing our number system from german to english style ordering :) 00:55:44 oerjan: doesnt matter. 00:55:55 the only thing that matters is what people do. 00:56:00 also, what do you mean "ordering"? 00:56:00 it still hasn't taken completely 00:56:05 exactly. 00:56:15 00:55 pikhq: 4chan is the literal asshole of the Internet. 00:56:17 No, not literal. 00:56:18 psygnisfive: treogfemti vs. femtitre 00:56:23 It does not have any of the anatomical features of an anus. 00:56:28 psygnisfive: Exceptions made for those languages that have official language bodies. (French) :p <-- Hm... I'm not sure what you mean. But it is possible Sweden has such a thing 00:56:30 oerjan: i dont understand. 00:56:33 * AnMaster tries to remember the name 00:56:41 The idea is that people tell the "official" defining bodies to fuck off. 00:56:53 its not that people TELL them to fuck off 00:57:06 AnMaster: Something like the Academie Française? (might've misspelt that; I don't know French) 00:57:07 psygnisfive: german 53 is "drei und fünfzig" iirc 00:57:09 its just that the language doesnt magically change because some guys in an office declared it to have. 00:57:11 psygnisfive: Well, yes. They just ignore them. 00:57:24 assuming they even know about the proclamation 00:57:27 ah yes http://www.sprakradet.se/ 00:57:29 I think 00:57:31 Theory: "I'm a linguist" is a socially acceptable excuse to rape the English language. 00:57:34 oerjan: oh, i see. 3-50 vs 50-3 00:57:35 norwegian used to use the same order as german, then the parliament wanted to change it to english 00:57:40 AnMaster: Something like the Academie Française? (might've misspelt that; I don't know French) <-- no clue 00:57:47 ehird: No. 00:57:58 oerjan: what about 13? 00:58:07 psygnisfive: still "tretten" 00:58:08 One can't be said to rape English, anyway. 00:58:13 yep. 00:58:19 pikhq: Sure you can, metaphorically. 00:58:21 english also uses reverse order for 13-19 00:58:23 ehird, you just say this because psygnisfive proved you wrong. And that is your usual style. 00:58:25 Again. 00:58:34 AnMaster: I'm complaining about his usage of "alot", you dimwit. 00:58:39 ehird, that too 00:58:43 anmaster: ehird just wants me to bunny cuddle him 00:58:46 * psygnisfive bunny cuddles ehird 00:58:50 psygnisfive, oh right. 00:58:50 Are you so pathetic that you have to latch on to any time some random person that you believe to be authoritative says I'm wrong? 00:58:51 English is a freaking slut. It pleasures anyone, as would a harlot. 00:58:57 Is that seriously the only goddamn method of argument you have? 00:59:05 Argumentum appeal to good-looking authority? 00:59:06 pikhq, typo for hare lot? 00:59:08 ;P 00:59:14 There is nothing, and I mean *nothing* sacrosanct about English. 00:59:16 pikhq: english is a good neighbor, you take that back! >| 00:59:29 http://www.sprakradet.se/international btw 00:59:36 not sure if that is the same thing basically 00:59:38 it might be 00:59:48 pikhq, ^ 01:00:06 since I have no clue what this "Academie Française" does. 01:00:17 psygnisfive: It is the unholy amalgamate of Old Norse, Latin, French, Norman, Celtic, Old Norse, etc. 01:00:20 ;) 01:00:22 Gooogle doesn't exist. 01:00:23 AnMaster: Defines French. 01:00:25 Gooooooooooooooooogle. 01:00:26 norwegian used to use the same order as german, then the parliament wanted to change it to english <-- What is the German order? Is it for dates and such? 01:00:29 you said old norse already. 01:00:34 also, you forgot Old English. 01:00:41 pikhq, then I guess the same. 01:00:44 psygnisfive: It has had two seperate Norse influences, IIRC. 01:00:48 it does 01:00:51 And yes, I forgot to mention Old English. 01:01:09 the overwhelming majority of those influences are lexical. 01:01:19 lexical adoption is the most trivial sort, and also the most uninteresting. 01:01:54 Is that seriously the only goddamn method of argument you have? <-- no 01:01:55 Eh, true. 01:02:01 AnMaster: Seems to be 01:02:06 ehird, see earlier today 01:02:07 Especially since Old English and Old Norse /were/ mutually intelligible. 01:02:07 celtic did, however, have some minor syntactic affects on english 01:02:16 the link I linked then 01:02:20 and quoted 01:02:25 AnMaster: numbers, 21-99 except the round ones 01:02:42 oerjan, that is -78? 01:02:59 And we know that the Norman Invasion had some freaking massive affects on English. 01:03:04 acht und siebzig, i think 01:03:09 oerjan, or what do you mean the "order"... I mean the lowest number is lowest 01:03:10 clearly 01:03:18 you can't declare 99 > 21 01:03:38 oerjan, I fail to see what part of the number "order" was changed 01:03:41 AnMaster: big vs. little endian, essentially, but only for the ones vs. tens part 01:04:04 oerjan, ah like "twenty one" vs "one twenty"? 01:04:08 yes 01:04:11 pikhq: lexicall, sure. 01:04:16 but not syntactically. 01:04:19 oerjan, I remember Danish has a HORRIBLE system for that 01:04:30 except, perhaps, via the destruction of the english case system, if that can be attributed to the norman invasion 01:04:34 something like "5 and four-tweties" 01:04:35 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 01:04:39 or similiar insane 01:05:05 psygnisfive, case system? 01:05:09 AnMaster: Caste. 01:05:17 Think class, except it 01:05:19 ah 01:05:21 all the germanic languages made extensive use of case 01:05:21 psygnisfive: Wasn't Norman's grammar already rather Germanic, anyways? 01:05:22 's determined by your birth and you can't change it. 01:05:23 If you didn't know. 01:05:25 AnMaster: femogfjerds 01:05:26 also, no, not class. 01:05:26 Oh ,wait. 01:05:28 You meant case? 01:05:29 LAWL. 01:05:34 iirc 01:05:35 case. 01:05:37 oerjan, is that it? Ouch 01:05:38 I was wondering what caste had to do with english 01:05:58 pikhq: possible. i dont really know. 01:06:03 ehird, I know what "kast" is, isn't it used in India still 01:06:04 iirc 01:06:04 AnMaster: worse, 78 is åtteoghalvfjerds iirc 01:06:12 case is what distinguishes words like "he" and "him", "I" and "me", etc. 01:06:15 AnMaster: Think so. 01:06:15 but he SAID "case", which is what confused me 01:06:23 also, no, not class. 01:06:26 case. 01:06:30 ehird, so you were wrong too 01:06:42 I thought he had typo'd by missing a letter as he did previously. 01:06:45 psygnisfive, you have them in those examples? 01:06:55 what do you mean? 01:06:57 Your insistence on always "winning" against me to show how much of an idiot I am is laughable; please spend your time elsewhere. 01:07:02 " case is what distinguishes words like "he" and "him", "I" and "me", etc." 01:07:07 i know what i said 01:07:07 so clearly it isn't destroyed 01:07:11 since you can give examples 01:07:17 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 01:07:26 oh, well, yes, english has remnant case in the pronominal domain 01:07:29 Old English had much more case. 01:07:31 but basically nowhere else. 01:07:36 ah 01:07:39 modern icelandic has an extensive case system 01:07:46 psygnisfive, am/are/is? 01:07:46 its the only germany language that retains this. 01:07:48 no 01:07:53 am/are/is is subject-verb agreement 01:07:56 ah 01:08:01 psygnisfive: german also as case 01:08:01 so case is only for? 01:08:07 *has 01:08:08 oerjan: yes, but not like icelandic. 01:08:14 psygnisfive, ? 01:08:23 what do you mean case is only for? 01:08:36 case is just a system of marking arguments of a verb. 01:08:40 psygnisfive, well that is what I'm asking 01:08:44 what they're marked for is... well, case. 01:08:46 since you say am/are/is isn't case 01:08:50 I don't get it 01:08:53 psygnisfive: also prepositions 01:09:02 theres no clear understanding of what case really does 01:09:07 you can think of it like this tho 01:09:12 and possessives 01:09:16 psygnisfive, the "s" on "he writes"? 01:09:19 verbs have some fixed number of arguments 01:09:23 ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS AN ARAB DONKEY 01:09:25 anmaster: thats still subject-verb agreement. 01:09:32 psygnisfive, then English need varargs 01:09:38 verbs have some fixed number of arguments, like, functions 01:09:42 AnMaster: verbs don't have case 01:09:51 and the verb assigns case to each of its arguments 01:09:54 nouns and adjectives can have 01:09:58 hm 01:10:03 01:09 AnMaster: psygnisfive, then English need varargs 01:10:05 needs. 01:10:06 With an s. 01:10:09 sort of like if you had argument "names" that had to be explicit in the function call, to some sense. 01:10:27 psygnisfive: smalltalk has that. 01:10:33 not quite like that tho, ehird. 01:10:33 fooBar: baz andQuux: dsfjksdf 01:10:34 psygnisfive, so when you change the form of an adjective depending on if the noun you are describing is singular or plural. Is that case? 01:10:43 although python's foo(a=b,c=d) without positional args would be more of a mapping 01:11:06 more like bit(nom = dog, acc = man) or bit(nom = man, obl = dog) 01:11:20 anmaster: no, thats agreement. 01:11:32 psygnisfive, mhm. Swedish has that one. 01:11:33 psygnisfive: Bitnomdogaccman? 01:11:43 NOM NOM NOM 01:11:44 psygnisfive: adjectives can agree in case too 01:11:46 can you not see the parens? 01:11:50 (and yes probably 4chan originally) 01:11:54 oerjan: yes, they do AGREE in case 01:12:02 but they do not have case themselves. 01:12:12 AnMaster: no, lolcat fags. 01:12:14 psygnisfive, so how is "he" a case 01:12:19 he is not a case 01:12:24 err 01:12:30 psygnisfive: Hmm. Sure enough... Norman itself was the unholy amalgamate of Old French and Old Norse. 01:12:34 "he" is the nominative case version of the first person singular masculine pronoun 01:12:39 " case is what distinguishes words like "he" and "him", "I" and "me", etc." 01:12:47 yes. 01:12:47 double quoting yay 01:13:01 psygnisfive: third person 01:13:07 that too. 01:13:09 "he" is glossed as 3sg.MASC.NOM 01:13:10 jag/mig in Swedish for example then 01:13:11 hm 01:13:18 "him" is glossed as "3sg.MASC.ACC" 01:13:33 glossy? What Pantone gloss? 01:13:35 * AnMaster runs 01:13:47 :P 01:13:57 a gloss is a sort of "translation" or "definition" of sorts. 01:14:01 as in "glossary" 01:14:08 where is ais523's butterfly net when we need it 01:14:27 psygnisfive, right 01:14:40 oerjan, also it was a joke fully in your style 01:15:52 that'll be SEK 154 in royalties, then 01:16:36 why 154 01:16:51 oerjan, also it is a parody, thus fair use 01:17:09 fair use is a US-only concept 01:17:28 I'm connected to a freenode server hosted in US. 01:17:33 * oerjan cackles evilly 01:17:38 plus, Sweden does iirc have something similiar 01:17:45 for parodies 01:17:56 different name yes 01:18:26 what other ling stuff can i explain for you today 01:18:34 parodies, piratees, what's the difference 01:18:44 hm... 01:19:39 psygnisfive: sorry, my brain is full 01:20:04 oerjan, hm... Parody Party? 01:20:23 Bittorrent is clearly all one big parody 01:20:29 Parity Party 01:20:42 norway had one of those in a recent election 01:20:55 oerjan, oh? 01:20:55 Det politiske parti, i think it was called 01:21:01 :D 01:21:07 that is just an awesome name 01:21:21 oerjan, what did they stand for. And did they get any mandate? 01:21:31 (or whatever the English word is) 01:21:34 they were dangerously close, or something :D 01:21:34 (place?) 01:21:43 oerjan, wow. But what did they stand for 01:22:08 i recall something about their representatives promising to vote according to polls 01:22:35 Piratparodypartiet. 01:22:37 The best of both worlds. 01:22:43 Also alliterative. 01:22:45 http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Det_Politiske_Parti 01:23:00 oh my I can see it 01:23:02 ... 01:23:06 Ninja Party 01:23:26 sort of a shadow government 01:23:46 hmmm 01:24:34 "The Political Party was active only in the general election of 2001." 01:24:35 oh well 01:25:06 oerjan, translate: "Da partiet ikke har meldt overføring til Partiregisteret, falt partinavnet ut som registrert partinavn etter stortingsvalget 2005." 01:25:14 google.com 01:25:15 slash 01:25:16 translate 01:25:19 underscore 01:25:20 t 01:25:33 ehird, that isn't clickable 01:25:34 :P 01:25:43 plus I want HIGH QUALITY translation 01:26:08 it's not too bad for closely-related languages 01:26:58 "falt partinavnet ut som registrert partinavn" was the bit I failed to understand 01:27:06 OK, not a great translation :P 01:27:20 yes, google translate messes that bit up, I think 01:27:31 "Since the party didn't get recorded in the Party Register, the name became unregistered after parliament elections of 2005 01:27:38 (loosely) 01:27:46 it fails to Swedish 01:27:56 saying something like "killing the party's name" 01:28:05 wait no 01:28:35 "dead parts name as a registered partys name" 01:28:36 even 01:28:40 The Looney Party. 01:28:42 :) 01:28:50 (real party) 01:28:53 ehird, so see why I didn't use google translate 01:28:54 here in canada we have a Work Less Party 01:29:00 and today it's throwing a big party 01:29:04 the work less party party 01:29:36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party 01:29:47 Right. :) 01:34:49 lament: they should throw a party about that party 01:34:54 the work less party party party 01:35:35 AnMaster: 2+2=4[citation needed HAHAHAHA I'M SO WITTY I CAN REFERENCE WIKIPEDIA] <-- i cannot give a citation for that but i hear there is a good proof for 1+1=2 in Principia Mathematica 01:35:57 oerjan++ 01:35:59 * oerjan chuckles maniacally 01:35:59 i have The Principa but I'd prefer Principa Mathematica 01:36:07 anyone want to swap? 01:36:30 *principia, both 01:36:32 "The Principa"? 01:36:37 i think technically they both have titles starting with "Principia Mathematica", don't they? 01:36:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophiae_Naturalis_Principia_Mathematica that is 01:36:49 i have that, and I would prefer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principia_Mathematica 01:36:50 ah yes 01:37:02 * oerjan doesn't have either, alas 01:37:47 googling for "The Principia" gives "& Discordia" ... 01:37:49 how strange 01:38:04 was using quotes 01:38:14 AnMaster: Principia Discordia. 01:38:20 The religious text of Discordianism. 01:38:25 ehird, I know what it is 01:38:28 Kay. 01:38:32 just odd that it listed it at top 01:38:38 and no I weren't logged in to gmail 01:41:13 AnMaster: presumably it's a big religion in sweden 01:41:22 * oerjan whistles innocently 01:41:53 oerjan, hm possibly 01:42:05 >_< 01:42:16 oerjan, hey I was just playing along. 01:42:28 you KNOW we cannot tell with you 01:42:48 oerjan, thus I like to surprise you :) 01:43:01 also, you cannot tell with ehird, i've noticed :D 01:43:19 oerjan, true 01:43:39 oerjan, I can tell with you most of the time 01:43:55 ic 01:44:04 not always though 01:45:05 http://www63.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Religion+in+Sweden 01:45:07 fuck it 01:45:37 http://www63.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=percentage+Religion+in+Sweden 01:45:40 ah worked better 01:45:44 not good though 01:46:39 only one percentage :D 01:46:47 oerjan, exactly 01:47:00 same for http://www63.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=percentages+Religion+in+Sweden 01:47:14 bsmntbombdood: what psu usage does your machine have? 01:47:15 and http://www63.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=percentages+religions+in+Sweden 01:47:17 http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine 01:47:27 wut? 01:47:31 at 85% tdp, 90% load, no capacitor aging, my planned rig clocks 451W 01:47:43 bsmntbombdood: put your components in, twiddle with tdp/load/capacitor aging, get estimated wattage back 01:47:51 why 01:47:55 why not 01:47:56 the "Input interpretation" is identical, still one has a number... 01:48:28 wait 01:48:29 100% tdp, 100% load, no capacitor aging: 521W 01:48:32 "Scanian"? 01:48:36 that is a Swedish dialect 01:48:47 why does W|A thinks it is a minority language 01:48:53 that + 30% capacitor aging = 677W 01:49:05 that + more realistic 20% = 625W 01:49:15 AnMaster: there may be some dispute on that point 01:49:20 oerjan, err 01:49:22 iirc 01:49:27 oerjan, citation 01:49:35 conclusion: even if you have 2xGTX285 in SLI and an i7 975 XE... 01:49:39 you don't need 800W. 01:49:59 "Scanian was previously classified as a regional language by SIL International, but before the latest update, the Swedish representative to ISO/TC-37, the technical committee overseeing ISO 639, required that Scanian be removed from the ISO/DIS 639-3, the draft just prior to the final draft FDIS, or a positive vote from Sweden would not be forthcoming." 01:50:28 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanian dialects) 01:50:33 hm 01:50:33 ehird: bigger is better 01:50:39 oerjan, space fail? 01:50:39 *(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanian_dialects) 01:50:49 bsmntbombdood: nuh-uh; more power in a PSU = louder, and less green. 01:50:58 admittedly green doesn't apply for these types of systems under load 01:51:02 but for idle web browsing and IRCing... 01:51:16 ehird: it's not like a bigger power supply uses more power when it's not needed... 01:51:25 AnMaster: google gave me a redirect and i did some broken cut/paste to get the main article name 01:51:29 sure, but lower rating tends to = better efficiency 01:51:36 oerjan, ah 01:51:50 * oerjan realizes he could have copied from the "Article" tab link 01:51:55 oerjan, well... Skånska isn't that far off from "main" Swedish 01:51:58 bsmntbombdood: but seriously. all that + 30% capacitor + 100% TDP + 100% load - so if you run your system at 100% load of every single component for multiple years - you're just sucking up 677W 01:52:00 it is a dialect IMO 01:52:09 and that's a super-high power computer 01:52:13 perfectly possible to understand for someone not from Skåne 01:52:17 conclusion: 800W+ psus are crocks. :P 01:52:36 AnMaster: "A language is a dialect with an army and a navy" 01:52:42 oerjan, while for example Samiska is harder to understand 01:52:47 it is a separate language 01:52:53 different language group too 01:52:53 iirc 01:52:58 it is from a separate ... yes 01:53:06 I wanted to say that first 01:53:07 :P 01:53:16 * 01:53:19 *dammit* 01:53:27 hah 01:53:30 bsmntbombdood: so how do you justify >800W psus with that exactly? 01:53:49 800w is good 01:53:54 800w+, maybe not 01:54:36 bsmntbombdood: dude... 2xSLI of GTX285 plus i7 975 XE plus 100% load of every single component (more or less impossible) for years, with a bordering-on-unreasonable capacitor aging value... 01:54:42 677W... so I don't see how 800W can be good 01:54:52 at all 01:55:02 because some retarded web app tells you so? 01:55:23 bsmntbombdood: no, I've used many calcs + own calculations 01:55:30 it's more-or-less correct 01:55:46 Hmm. In WWII, the British were really, really good at handling German spies. 01:56:03 All but one defected. 01:56:10 (that one committed suicide) 01:56:15 bsmntbombdood: shit, you can run an i7 920 + mid-range graphics card on a ~380W psu 01:56:30 doesn't mean it's a good idea 01:56:36 why not 01:56:42 Half of them defected on reaching Britain -- and none of them sent messages to Germany. 01:56:53 night 01:57:00 bsmntbombdood: you do know that the vast majority of configurations have (unrealistic) absolute peaks of ~200W? 01:57:00 and remember, wattage ratings are pretty much the sole comparison people have between psus == greatly inflated 01:57:19 no, they're not inflated 01:57:27 you can run N watts on an N watt psu, always 01:57:35 anything else would be driven out of the market 02:03:36 bye 02:37:58 LA LA LA LA LAAAAAAAAAAAAA 03:05:40 http://goatse.cx/hello.jpg 03:06:17 yes, we really do want to click that link, don't we. 03:06:38 Click it! 03:07:10 i cannot click it, i've got this pain down my right diodes 03:07:27 It's SFW 03:08:41 oerjan, /nick Marvin ? 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And in a few specific cases it does better. Some constructs. 20:03:52 But mostly esotope is better. 20:03:58 bbl 20:04:18 * AnMaster is packing for the travel 20:04:19 19:18:28 * oerjan secretly wants to trick texas into passing a constitutional amendment that all state matters must be written in the language of Jesus 20:04:28 yhwh dhrhwnr kfdrfkdjnf 20:05:40 does that say anythign in particular? 20:06:16 hmmm i want to write my own optimizing bf compiler 20:06:29 since my last one is a few years old 20:06:37 SimonRC: Hebrew doesn't have vowels LAWLZ 20:06:39 11:16:48 We've been doing these for years, and found that setting the tempo and time signature is an E_GOODIDEA. 20:06:43 it's an error good idea? 20:06:49 Yes :P 20:06:54 also, hi SimonRC, haven't seen you talk for a while 20:06:56 and quite messy 20:07:00 jix: including SSA-form and other hilarious overkill? 20:07:08 ehird: it takes up a lot of time 20:07:26 SimonRC: you must live very fast :P 20:07:37 tetha: i don't know what it is 20:07:45 tetha: but from the letters i'd say yes 20:07:49 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 20:08:03 i'd guess it's translating into dest = src1 op src2 operations 20:08:10 optimizing/transforming them 20:08:17 ehird: I can't really do anything else if I care about missign out on IRC conversations 20:08:20 and each dest is only used once 20:08:21 ssa == static single assignement form 20:08:40 it simplifies some analyzations and optimizations 20:08:53 fun fact: continuation passing style = ssa 20:10:29 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 20:15:39 -!- Sgeo has joined. 20:22:12 About the Billiard Ball Machine you highlighted me for a few hours ago: It doesn't have anything to do with quantum mechanics. It is just a notation the autor adopted because it probably was convenient at the time... and I don't really know anything about quantum mechanics other than a few facts about the schrödinger equation. 20:22:54 Well... 20 hours is a few... 20:23:00 -!- tombom has joined. 20:23:01 *MizardX is dead* 20:23:02 *MizardX is not dead* 20:23:09 * ehird pushes those two lines together 20:23:51 eh? 20:25:42 SimonRC: he said schrödinger and quantum mechanics QED. 20:26:16 That is how much I know about it... 20:26:52 A MOUNTAIN OF INVISIBLE QUANTUMS 20:30:13 -!- tombom has quit ("Peace and Protection 4.22.2"). 20:31:50 -!- tombom has joined. 20:34:54 -!- tombom has quit (Client Quit). 20:44:37 -!- olsner has joined. 20:57:14 -!- Slereah has joined. 20:59:41 -!- M0ny has quit ("Read error: 182 (Connection reset by beer)"). 21:12:03 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:12:37 -!- GuestGoldenDog has joined. 21:16:08 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:16:09 -!- GuestGoldenDog has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:20:54 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 21:21:09 -!- GuestGoldenDog has joined. 21:21:10 -!- GuestGoldenDog has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:21:24 -!- GuestGoldenDog has joined. 21:21:39 -!- GuestGoldenDog has changed nick to Slereah. 21:24:13 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:24:26 -!- Slereah has joined. 21:37:21 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 22:00:45 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:02:53 hm, implementing context-transforming automatas is charming and would reduce the implementation of a lot of esoteric languages to very few lines 22:03:20 ? 22:03:37 demonstrate? 22:04:07 oerjan: basically you could transform a program into it's control flow graph, annotate that with implementations of the basic operations and tell it to evaluate with a base context 22:06:43 * oerjan realizes his brain is in that horrible mush state again 22:07:19 SimonRC: e.g. brainfuck: you need a parser, a representation of the state (tape + head position) and an implementation for each opcode and you're done, given this library 22:07:30 the tiniest irritating noise, and it becomes _painful_ to think 22:09:00 tetha: sounds pretty much like how i do tiny interpreters in haskell 22:09:10 22:04 tetha: oerjan: basically you could transform a program into it's control flow graph, annotate that with implementations of the basic operations and tell it to evaluate with a base context ← that's hot. 22:09:16 oerjan: pretty much, yes 22:09:17 oklopol would be all over that 22:09:18 he loves graphs 22:09:21 hehe 22:09:24 so do I 22:09:24 :) 22:09:30 everyone should! 22:13:11 the bf compiler i work on is/will be written in haskell 22:13:23 SimonRC: Hebrew doesn't have vowels LAWLZ 22:13:36 the language of Jesus was probably aramaic, not hebrew 22:13:44 aramic is a derivative of hebrew 22:13:46 so phooey. 22:13:47 "Pirate Party Wins and Enters The European Parliament" 22:13:51 YES! 22:13:56 yay 22:14:05 although they are both semitic languages, so probably similar writing principles 22:14:23 the german pirate party didn't make it 22:14:43 ehird: not derivative, sister language 22:14:54 oerjan: kay 22:15:04 jix: not surprising; Sweden's a lot more liberal 22:15:43 ehird: at leat in my city it was the strongest non etablished party 22:15:47 *is 22:15:49 really? hrm. 22:16:03 in luebeck, it horribly lost :( 22:16:06 they got a bit over 1% here 22:16:50 still 22:16:53 european parliament 22:16:56 so there's hope 22:16:58 indeed 22:17:04 at least SOME sane people in there 22:17:26 tetha: in luebeck they are on place 6 too 22:18:06 oh. curse you, firefox cache 22:18:19 tetha: you live in luebeck? 22:18:23 yep 22:18:30 cool i'm going to move there later this year 22:18:35 hehe 22:18:51 are you studying there? 22:19:02 yes, computer science, second master term 22:20:00 will start computer science there 22:20:08 ah 22:20:09 hehe 22:20:17 so you will have some saner study plan 22:25:39 The Pirate Party will get one spot, yeah 22:26:04 has anyone read much of the VPRI's stuff? 22:26:48 SimonRC: cola language ya mean? 22:26:57 among other things 22:26:57 -!- Slereah has quit. 22:27:01 always been too buzzwordy and all-encompassing when I've looked at it 22:28:58 first I thought that it would be nice for the language parser to be available to me, or rather for all its parts to be available to build new specialised parsers from 22:29:24 then I realised that the smug you-know-what weenies have been going on about this for decades 22:29:30 :-D 22:29:41 and indeed the non-smug non-weenie ones 22:30:03 but the problem I see now in Java is partly attitude 22:30:13 -!- Slereah has joined. 22:30:38 they don't want to add things like lambdas even though the JVM would suport them 22:31:05 and quite recently I have found a reasonable use for run-time compilation 22:52:57 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 23:08:03 -!- coppro has joined. 23:28:30 anyone knows some haskell here? ... is there something like a monad... except an operator like >>= but with type M a -> (a -> M a) -> M a instead of M a -> (a -> M b) -> (M b) 23:29:01 hm 23:29:09 like a monad where a computation can't change the type 23:29:32 obviously you can define such a thing 23:29:41 yeah 23:29:49 but if there is a typeclass for such things already 23:29:54 i'd use that 23:30:01 note however that then you cannot change the a at all within a single composed computation 23:30:13 that's ok 23:30:46 so it's really sort of M -> (a -> M) -> M 23:30:46 nope 23:30:54 sure it is 23:31:31 er 23:31:31 nope 23:31:31 M -> (A -> M) -> M 23:31:31 where you just happen to be able to parametrize on A 23:31:31 yeah 23:32:02 can you express it as a comonad? 23:32:02 could be swapped into (A -> M) -> M -> M 23:32:15 i cannot quite think of anything 23:33:36 SimonRC: comonads still have varying a and b, just in the "other direction" 23:33:36 yeah, nvm 23:33:36 things that look a bit like monads but aren't sometimes turn out to be comonads 23:33:36 but not this time 23:33:41 it's like a special case of a monad 23:33:59 a state transition seems a bit similar 23:34:19 like, just the state part of a State monad, but without the return value 23:35:08 in fact there is a generalization of "parametrized" monads just to be able to do things like changing the state type during a state monad computation 23:35:13 hmmm if such a thing exists 23:35:27 every monad is such a thing 23:35:45 (exists as in is in the haskell "stdlib") 23:35:45 so State a (), for example 23:35:59 or StateT a m () for any monad m 23:36:31 hm wait that also gives a state out 23:36:51 and it would make sense to define things which touch only one type... like return for it instead of monad 23:36:54 but that isn't the case 23:37:02 so i assume it isn't there 23:37:33 i need it for a thing that stores multiple values 23:37:39 it sort of requires functional dependency M -> A 23:37:40 and i want to do computations to some of them 23:37:50 but not all 23:39:13 jix: but in a sense your M a's do contain a's in them? 23:39:13 yeah 23:40:55 can't be i'm the first who needs something like that 23:42:10 it would make sense to move everything of monad that has just one free type (or whatever they are called) into that thing 23:42:27 and define the things with more than one free type for it with a different name 23:42:31 then make monad an instance of it 23:42:32 well the question is why can't you just use a monad? 23:42:35 this may sound like a dumb question... 23:42:42 why not ask on #haskell 23:43:00 * oerjan swats SimonRC for his stupidity -----### 23:43:13 SimonRC: i asked that question myself 23:44:02 oerjan: take the list monad 23:44:14 oerjan: you want >>= to apply only to the first element instead of all 23:44:20 but keep all the other elements 23:44:26 that's what i need exactly 23:44:44 jix: also, haskell's type classes don't support making every instance of an older type class into an instance of a newer without problems 23:45:01 jix: that example has nothing to do with _types_ 23:45:17 only position, which is not a type thing 23:45:17 oerjan: well try to implement >>= for it 23:45:37 and you'll see the problem 23:45:43 huh? well apart from >>= already being defined for lists 23:45:48 you can't keep the elements you wan't to stay there 23:45:51 because they have the type a 23:45:58 where they should have the type b after >>= 23:46:14 -' 23:46:14 oh ... i see, you want to _keep_ the others 23:46:16 exactly 23:46:53 you could do that by using "id" as what you did to the others 23:47:30 oerjan: nope 23:47:31 because i only have one >>= 23:48:01 something like it should work 23:49:04 this would of course totally break the monad laws, even restricted to a single type 23:49:28 uhm i'm pretty sure what i want to do follows the monad laws 23:52:07 (when restricted to a single type) 23:52:07 does it? (x >>= f) >>= g == x >>= (\a -> f a >>= g) ? 23:52:07 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving"). 23:52:07 is the "do only to first element" a relevant example? 23:52:07 yeah 23:52:07 it is exactly what i want 23:52:07 jix: erm isn't this just a monad where the return type = the input type? 23:52:15 ehird: yeah 23:52:24 jix: 23:52:36 butt :: m a -> (a -> m a) -> m a; butt = (>>=) 23:52:41 ehird: his problem is he cannot make it an actual monad instance 23:52:51 ah. 23:52:53 jix: 23:53:19 class MonadBondage m where zoop :: a -> m a; butt :: m a -> (a -> m a) -> m a 23:53:20 TADA! 23:53:42 ehird: he wants to know if it fits into something already existing 23:53:48 oerjan: no 23:53:52 oerjan: functor? 23:53:59 ehird: certainly not 23:54:00 oerjan: or i got you wrong 23:54:02 err, right 23:54:04 sorry, I'm stupid 23:54:06 it's like monad w/o functor 23:54:11 ehm 23:54:12 applicative? 23:54:13 jix: then what the heck do you want 23:54:24 ehird: applicative subclasses functor 23:54:29 kay :P 23:56:12 http://nopaste.com/p/aG1fE2Xa4 << this 23:56:12 jix: i think State [a] a is pretty close 23:56:12 * oerjan reads 23:56:12 (it doesn't work of course) 23:59:18 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:59:18 -!- nooga has joined. 23:59:18 what is the use of this? 23:59:18 hey hey hey 23:59:18 (that was to jix) 23:59:18 also, hey nooga 23:59:34 also, shoe on head 23:59:35 oerjan: i thought it would be a nice way to do the simple parsing stuff i have to do here 23:59:49 jix: what are you up to?