< 1244593793 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1244593827 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1244595274 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1244599992 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244601107 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have a kitty AND a wearable computer. < 1244601482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't you just a budding evil genius? < 1244601543 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil geniuses have evil cats. Tia is just neutral. < 1244601556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have started down the road. < 1244601565 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pets kitty.
< 1244601575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaotic neutral, yessir < 1244601592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Like all cats. < 1244601602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emphasis on the chaos. < 1244601618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1244601672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what you should look out for is kick the dog moments. which probably cats don't help avoid < 1244604351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1244607789 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1244608422 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1244610052 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244610128 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1244610277 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1244610940 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1244611007 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1244611319 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244612676 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that my server got down just because bind is (mistakenly) shut down. :( all is fine now. sorry for inconvenience. < 1244613714 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-171-202-185.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244613748 0 :adu!n=ajr@pool-173-66-5-152.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244614122 0 :adu_!n=ajr@pool-173-66-253-199.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244614131 0 :adu_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244614649 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.prq.se/?p=colo&intl=1 < 1244614658 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 megabits for $2000/month < 1244614660 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a lot? < 1244615366 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244615655 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244615724 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By about 50x :P < 1244615765 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Server included. Then I don't know. < 1244615794 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :server's not included < 1244615798 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 4u of rackspace < 1244615918 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244615941 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's far out of my price range anyhow. < 1244616040 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://localhost/masterpiecemachine/autocompose.php // YAY ITS BAD < 1244616049 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :localhost? < 1244616054 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1244616061 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/autocompose.php // YAY ITS BAD < 1244616432 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php now has goto. D: < 1244616469 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1244616536 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: lol, that made into php 5.3? < 1244616542 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep! < 1244616602 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php was originally messy, but now it's becoming messier XD < 1244616916 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Deep European German Christian German Mole Christian Good Machine Christian Scottish Talk Machine Christian Machine Amusing Without Sad | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1244616936 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1244617053 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Deep" means "hello", "European" means "all", "German" means "you", "Christian" means ";", "Mole" means "is/does what", "Good" means "good", "Machine" means "I", "Scottish" means "that which I demand that you be", "Talk" means "talk", "Amusing" means "amusing", "Without" means "without", and "Sad" means "sad". < 1244617081 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's "Hi y'all; how are you; I'm fine; talk to me; I'm bored". < 1244617097 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :No. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1244617114 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No." means "shut the fuck up" < 1244617125 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's "shut the fuck up" < 1244617133 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkz. < 1244617499 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: it's a lot of fucking bandwidth < 1244617529 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 100 mbit uncapped... for 1/50th of the price. < 1244617553 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: try to push 30 terabyte/month through it and get back to me < 1244617770 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, where the hell do you live < 1244617806 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden. < 1244617835 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get 1.5 mbit < 1244617858 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a good day < 1244618058 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-79.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1244618087 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get up to maybe 8-9 mb/s with 2-4 torrents running. But then I can't watch any HD movies without it getting out of sync. < 1244618100 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that bits or bytes? < 1244618109 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :megabytes/sec < 1244618111 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1244618153 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can expect a torrent to download at about 120 kilobytes/second < 1244618237 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BACK IN MY DAY WE HAD 200 BAUD MODEMS, AND WE WERE HAPPY TO HAVE EM < 1244618307 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baud... is that bits/second? < 1244618353 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the olde spelling of "bad" < 1244618365 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET IT LAWL < 1244618366 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. pulses/second. < 1244618394 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ignores the pun
< 1244618524 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's too late to start a movie < 1244618650 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The World Wide Web needs no bandwidth. < 1244618666 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by "no bandwidth", I mean under a kilobyte per second. < 1244618698 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by "the World Wide Web", I mean hand-written HTML. < 1244618719 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hand-written HTML and bunches of CSS. < 1244618900 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244619772 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as it's hand-written CSS. < 1244620083 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newlines forbidden < 1244620547 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're fine as long as they're hand-typed. < 1244620649 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244620799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1244620800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1244622532 0 :lereah_!n=lereah@nanpc319.in2p3.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244624028 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1244624674 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-096-242.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1244625052 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244626618 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244626762 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it would be possible to treat all functions like continuations or callbacks or something... < 1244626794 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where like < 1244626851 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a; x = f(); b is equivalent to a; f(x -> b) < 1244626856 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where x -> b is the callback function < 1244626905 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you wouldn't ever get hangs on long functions ... < 1244626933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like writing code in continuation-passing style. < 1244626939 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of, yeah. < 1244626958 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i use callbacks a lot in JS, right < 1244626973 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we use them a lot of ajax queries < 1244626981 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you dont want your browser to lock on a lock query < 1244626985 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you do it asynchronously < 1244627007 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the browser just calls the callback whenever the http request returns < 1244627021 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you dont lock the browser waiting for the server to respond < 1244627026 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the page doesnt lock either < 1244627040 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i figure, why not do that for all function calls, period < 1244627067 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that a sequence of function calls is like multiple nested callbacks < 1244627115 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because its all callback based, you can spin off the things into threads relatively easily < 1244627138 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, then you get concurrency issues, granted, so itd work ideally in functional languages, but < 1244627196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Scheme interpreter I wrote in Prolog was written in CPS, since it made implementing call/cc so trivial. < 1244627210 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. < 1244627223 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure if its technically cps, nor do i know how you CODE in cps, so... < 1244627281 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, you're right, it is CPS i think < 1244627301 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1244627360 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your functions never return, just call a provided "continuation", then I think it is CPS. Or some sort of mixture, anyway; when writing something like JavaScript, I don't think you want to replace all + operators with a call to "function add(a, b, k) { k(a + b); }". < 1244627379 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, < 1244627391 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably wouldnt want to do THAT, because + is a primitive < 1244627412 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1244627417 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more importantly, + is trivial, and should never hang ever. < 1244627513 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i think you're right, it is cps. < 1244627531 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might be useful, in general, to just have cps built in to all function calls < 1244627642 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw something done in JavaScript that required a call in the style of "setTimeOut(function(){ ... }, 0);" every now and then to avoid getting huge call stacks; I guess JavaScript/ECMAScript environments might not bother with tail-call optimizations. < 1244627657 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, thats a typical callback < 1244627697 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, we dont code like that much, its just a typical example of a callback < 1244632418 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244635235 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244635313 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244636986 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1244638182 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244638241 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-123-14.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244640578 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244640606 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-123-14.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244641594 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-27-43.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244645165 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@084202205021.customer.alfanett.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244645829 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-208.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244646841 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244647139 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1244647467 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-27-43.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244647983 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244648417 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244649786 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-179-156.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1244650461 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244651518 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@c2391BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244652570 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1244652849 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1244652871 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1244653327 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1244653413 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244653889 0 :ineiros!n=ineiros@rogue.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1244654011 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1244654523 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1244654672 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1244654799 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244654812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My are we negative today < 1244654940 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr < 1244655289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so i figure, why not do that for all function calls, period < 1244655303 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew, periods < 1244655317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks forward to doing continuations in C++.
< 1244655318 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there have been functional languages experimenting with parallelizing absolutely everything < 1244655323 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Via continuation-passing style code. < 1244655339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is the overhead absolutely kills any performance gain when you do it on small chunks < 1244655591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finding out what is worth parallelizing is a hard problem < 1244655877 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244656252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244656755 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244656981 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244657934 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244658332 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-119-25.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244658533 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-188.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1244658811 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244658828 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, new Fine Structure is up < 1244660197 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244660419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek, that global notice is a bit scary < 1244660427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oerjan_ < 1244660434 0 :oerjan_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oerjan < 1244660467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't sure whether that was necessary but did so anyway
< 1244660525 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244660534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: are you a registered contact for this channel? < 1244660801 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is a contact for this channel anyway? channel info only lists andreou, who certainly disappeared years ago? < 1244660840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he's not < 1244660847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, then we should be safe < 1244660880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we really should have a contact who is actually a channel regular... < 1244661040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: warrie: with all your nicknames you probably should take care: "Grouped alternate nicknames which are considered to be expired will be dropped." < 1244661212 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf is interestingly simple. < 1244661322 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: We should probably get control of the channel transferred to someone who's actually here. < 1244661362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament and fizzie are on the access list, at least, does that count? < 1244661373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i have no idea < 1244661375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, if the channel /is/ dropped, an op could get it back again < 1244661386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should ask lament/fizzie to leave their op powers on permanently just in case < 1244661419 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o fizzie < 1244661443 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can stay like this until Freenode's ethnic purge or whatever is done, if it makes any sense. < 1244661445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that. < 1244661479 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats going on with freenode and the channel now? < 1244661497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1244661503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And we can only tell that your channel is in use if some user in your access list, identified to NickServ, periodically joins the channel." < 1244661522 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that should be happening rather regularly. < 1244661528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so fizzie and lament being here is what counts < 1244661549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and andreou being the founder probably doesn't matter < 1244661573 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, "chanserv info #esoteric" for me lists "Founder: andreou" and "Successor: fizzie", but I have no clue what that latter title means. It's a weird network. < 1244661601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might mean that you're supposed to take over for andreou? < 1244661606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... Why haven't you? :P < 1244661607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for me, only andreou is shown < 1244661627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume some sort of "there can be only one" swordfight is involved. < 1244661650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suggests bfjoust ;D
< 1244661788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1244661830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: successor automatically becomes founder if the founder goes permanently missing for some reason < 1244661841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an active successor is enough to keep a channel alive < 1244661893 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: laaaaaaaaaaawl < 1244661905 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Drag andreou out of eso-retirement for bfjoust :P < 1244662205 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/autocompose.php // enjoy the awful! < 1244662499 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy the offal! < 1244662833 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1244663232 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1244663404 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-73-97.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244663835 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what < 1244663836 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1244663902 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... enjoy the awful? < 1244663931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bus" < 1244663970 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs a new MIDI player. Suggestions?
< 1244663977 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Platform? < 1244663982 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WinXP < 1244663993 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, can't help ya. < 1244664004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CoLinux. < 1244664025 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's spectacularly unhelpful since generally MIDI is more difficult in Linux than Windows :P < 1244664039 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you care about the quality of the instruments, but you shouldn't for autocomposer :P < 1244664075 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1244664084 0 :tetha!n=hk@pD9EE5F3A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244664102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just install timidity < 1244664118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which converts MIDI into other things, and can also play it < 1244664125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know if that's Linux-only < 1244664130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate being helpful. < 1244664150 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, too bad, you helped my self-esteem the other day < 1244664160 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1244664165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits undo
< 1244664193 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1244664344 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1244664361 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I assume nobody's actually listening to the output of the autocomposer? :P < 1244664376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lacks MIDI
< 1244664407 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, too lazy to load up Yahoo Jukebox at this minute < 1244664411 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I downloaded something < 1244664413 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1244664430 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want me to listen? < 1244664448 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION made a random generator thing for tonematrix
< 1244664448 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care really, it was more to bother people :P < 1244664452 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not actually good :P < 1244664460 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not entirely random. < 1244664497 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, it's not loading < 1244664513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH, here it is < 1244664574 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not bad as much as it is boring, tbh < 1244664593 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lab.andre-michelle.com/tonematrix http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/rnd_tonematrix.htm < 1244664608 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I was just too impatient considering that I wanted to show what I just linked to < 1244664664 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244664740 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonematrix is fun < 1244665014 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1244665129 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, try my generator thing? < 1244665134 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1244665140 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, on the right < 1244665142 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking now < 1244665156 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wossit do < 1244665164 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Press a button < 1244665171 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Single tone < 1244665172 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1244665173 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get numbers < 1244665179 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copy those numbers into tonematrix < 1244665194 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1244665206 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copy into your clipboard, right-click on Tonematrix and click paste < 1244665217 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :secret! < 1244665321 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1244665329 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :full makes a not so pretty < 1244665334 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the rest are always pretty it seems < 1244665380 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, change the number to something to make Polyphonic make that number of tones in a column (or sometimes less) < 1244665382 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Make it a genetic algorithm. < 1244665397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can have algorithmic algorythms. < 1244665407 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I thought about it, but that'd be impossible since the fitness function is "sounds good" :P < 1244665424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could use people as the fitness function. < 1244665429 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, have people vote on which sounds better < 1244665431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: slow) < 1244667555 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/gs6p43htyhdyg7nk1vvw that was hellish, but there is malbolge interpreter in migol now. (warning: not yet final) < 1244667854 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i should test with reference interpreter, but it's... a kind of slow. < 1244667870 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Cool! < 1244667872 0 :atrapado!n=nnn@68.59.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244667878 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the reference interpreter sucks. < 1244667887 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever wrote it should be executed. < 1244667908 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo: suicide?! < 1244667914 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244667976 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i made the program ignore null byte for compatibility. given much time, reference interpreter should start printing "99 bottles..." :p < 1244668023 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could fix a non-null-terminating version. < 1244668182 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like my miGoL :( < 1244668187 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, nice job < 1244668228 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it silently terminates after 5 minutes. :S < 1244668283 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My interpreter or yours? < 1244668408 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reference one. < 1244668419 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll take a look at it... < 1244668487 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1244668495 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it works in theory but not in the reference interpreter, it is the interpreter's fault. < 1244668546 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the line 2<[2]<$+300<[[2]] in the program, why not 2<$+300<[[2]] ? < 1244668547 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone ever say in a spec that if the ref. interpreter and spec conflict, the interpreter's correct? < 1244668602 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the situation. < 1244668648 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo: you're right, that can be simplified. it doesn't change the meaning though. < 1244668693 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i copied that statement from other line, namely 1<[2]<$+300<[[1]]) < 1244668732 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increase with 300 and store the row the same var is currently pointing at < 1244668736 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scary < 1244668737 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1244668743 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/row/value/ < 1244668770 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that's D register in malbolge. :p < 1244668780 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2<$+300<[[2]] translates into D = mem[D]. < 1244668813 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oki < 1244668821 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never looked into malbolge < 1244668827 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I want to :P < 1244668847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:17 bsmntbombdood: http://www.prq.se/?p=colo&intl=1 < 1244668848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:17 bsmntbombdood: 100 megabits for $2000/month < 1244668848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:17 bsmntbombdood: is that a lot? < 1244668851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is ridiculously expensive < 1244668863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 mbit internet is like $50-$70/mo in civilized countries < 1244668866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of coures without the 4u < 1244668872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 4u for ~$2000? < 1244668873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous < 1244668886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:41 GregorR: http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/autocompose.php // YAY ITS BAD < 1244668889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's beautiful < 1244668891 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found that memory initialization is very slow in the java version (~5min), but it prints wrong value for hello world program. < 1244668892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why is fizzie an op < 1244668900 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION turns on debugging code
< 1244668913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the 30tb/mo is nic < 1244668913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1244668919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:10 MizardX: Sweden. < 1244668920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1244668925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i wanna move there for awesome internet < 1244669022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1244669026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode's holocaust < 1244669028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck freenode < 1244669031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should move to oftc < 1244669052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:25 GregorR-L: oerjan: Drag andreou out of eso-retirement for bfjoust :P < 1244669054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou was here recently. < 1244669069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:59 Sgeo needs a new MIDI player. Suggestions? < 1244669072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy an mt-32 synthesizer < 1244669074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have one :) < 1244669078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than general midi! < 1244669084 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That explains why autocomposer sounds "beautiful" :P < 1244669085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad digital converter hiss! < 1244669168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:15 Sgeo: Anyone ever say in a spec that if the ref. interpreter and spec conflict, the interpreter's correct? < 1244669169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge < 1244669172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1244669186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: what, mt-32? < 1244669192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: no, I'm not using it atm; it's a pain to wire up < 1244669197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ODF? < 1244669200 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244669207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have a great love of bad music < 1244669216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :P < 1244669223 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well then you should be joining us in writing Masterpieces! < 1244669229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: your hostname is cloaked. who is your isp? < 1244669238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: afraid I have no midi composer software < 1244669245 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff < 1244669253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do have an m-audio 49 key midi keyboard and an mt-32, so 2/3 at least < 1244669260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1244669262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/4 < 1244669265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also lack musical talent. < 1244669285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "8192,8,8,4,64,32768,32768,2048,16,4096,16384,32768,64,16384,64,256" is pretty < 1244669321 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1244669333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from your random generator :P < 1244669344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ever so slightly out of sync < 1244669356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least appears that way at first < 1244669403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1244669422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys know that guy who hanged himself? < 1244669427 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1244669431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not due to the 'sploits, but claimed as by stupid media < 1244669433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1244669441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found his blog. he was a total jerk. < 1244669444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1244669454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The entire fucking knowledge of the universe penetrated, permeated, and pervaded my mind, and I became omniscient. You can say that I have indeed seen god, and yes, he is a fucking idiot.]] < 1244669466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I drive a brand new benz, and currently my sole aim is to make money. ]] < 1244669474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I have always been 3.14 times bigger than God. ]] < 1244669483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[sporting a tattoo that says ‘God is a fucking idiot’, ]] < 1244669494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[“God loves you, you know”. One of them said. < 1244669494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“That’s irrelevant. I am going to kill god”.]] < 1244669500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later < 1244669502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[“Hehe. I know everything. I have seen the entire fucking universe. I am actually omniscient. I have read the entire Bible. I have a new theory that all successful religions are based on legitimatizing rape”. ]] < 1244669525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't act more smug and shit-faced if I tried < 1244669536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought wolfram's ego was bad... < 1244669551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ligesh.com/, http://ligesh.com/about/ < 1244669560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also [[I am the most interesting person on this godforsaken planet of the apes.]] < 1244669593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way "I have read the entire Bible" is marked there as being something impressive < 1244669600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep... < 1244669601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even normal people could manage that < 1244669616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like it's massively long, or deliberately hard to read < 1244669625 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I am a wikilink]] < 1244669627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it does contain some rather vile stuff, though < 1244669629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1244669630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, reading the original would be more impressive < 1244669637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1244669652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hbrw: Jst dd vwls. < 1244669688 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd if=vowels of=/dev/null < 1244669731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't erase vowels < 1244669827 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tre < 1244669829 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1244669829 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr < 1244669874 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ehird} MizardX: your hostname is cloaked. who is your isp? < 1244669893 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riksnet < 1244669913 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCWu98GRk-E reminds me of Davies and Kosogorin in Fine Structure < 1244669921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: fibre optic i assume? < 1244669953 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ethernet into the apartment. I don't know how it's connected to the house though. < 1244669957 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you catching up in Fine Structure? < 1244669967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i have only read one or two of it. < 1244669973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will wait until it is done, i suppose < 1244669985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: actual ethernet internet? interesting < 1244669992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do any isps actually do that? since you know AS and stuff. < 1244670002 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what if I spoil the ending for you at that time? >:D < 1244670017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: then I'll kill you :P < 1244670047 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point I think they use fibers. They wouldn't be able to handle all the traffic otherwise. < 1244670063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: those riksnet people seem to do deals with landlords and stuff instead of direct to consumer < 1244670067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "Do not pay to bury another cable. Join together with your neighbors and get group discounts on broadband." < 1244670075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rather odd way of running an isp < 1244670096 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo: okay, #<[9]<$+2 was problematic: my interpreter changes program counter after whole statement is executed, but yours immediately stops executing current statement when #<[9] is executed. < 1244670118 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the latter is the correct behavior...? < 1244670144 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1244670149 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most of the city is connected in one network, where each client can choose between different ISPs. < 1244670189 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a few clicks and you can change ISP. < 1244670190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The base of Riksnets service offering consists of a high speed connection via fiber network to the local area or premise. The connection is done with a gigabit link, and each dwelling, up to 100Mbit depending on the equipment in its own network. < 1244670193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fibre then < 1244670195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: that's weird < 1244670199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: what city is this? < 1244670203 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luleå < 1244670219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a city at the coast of in northern Sweden with 45,467 inhabitants < 1244670221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a small city < 1244670222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244670307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cost per connection, and months can vary greatly depending on, among other communities the size, cost of access to local stadsdelsnät and distance from the nearest node. < 1244670307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally, however, a Riksnetkund previously had a normal ADSL connection expect to halve their monthly fee and receive 10 times as high capacity. < 1244670312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just so not-vague < 1244670409 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5 Mbit ADSL and 10/100 mbit ethernet/fiber is almost in the same price-range. ADSL has wider coverage but lower speed. < 1244670435 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5/1.0 maybe < 1244670444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pay for 8mbit adsl and get 2-6mbit < 1244670453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most often 500kbps < 1244670472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 4mbit < 1244670483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: no symmetrical 100/100 though? :-) < 1244670495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the high-speeders tend to lack technical prowess eg ipv6 and custom reverse dns < 1244670515 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ta emot: 11.09Mbit/sek < 1244670515 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant 10mbit or 100mbit, not 10 up/100 down. < 1244670519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244670519 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite nice < 1244670523 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but it still prints out wrong result! < 1244670526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: so the 100 is symmetrical? < 1244670531 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244670547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: lucky ou < 1244670548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1244670590 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most ethernet/fiber connections are symmetrical. ADSL 0.5/1.0/8/24 is another story. < 1244670606 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :registers are correct, maybe the memory problem. but anyway it's time to go sleep... :p < 1244670624 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some sort of project to build a similar "city-district network" (with fibre, in which ISPs could then provide Internet connectivity relatively cheaply) in the place I used to live in few (7?) years ago. I'm not sure if anything came out of it. < 1244670641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uk/us internet is really bullshit < 1244670651 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244670652 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1244670655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only fibre provider is Virgin, they offer up to 50mbit, but jesus, their contract < 1244670663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they literally say that annoying another internet user is prohibited < 1244670667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really. < 1244670668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they require Windows < 1244670674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their whole tos is just ridiculous < 1244670680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but looking carefully, it's a requirement for at least one Windows computer < 1244670683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to nothing but Windows < 1244670687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do anything other than check your email and respond in a courteous manner < 1244670698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOBODY BUYS 50MBIT INTERNET APART FROM FOR ILLEGAL DOWNLOADS! < 1244670705 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't "require windows" usually mean "our software only supports windows but you can get it to work on linux through google" < 1244670710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe an archive.org junky < 1244670711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :junki < 1244670712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1244670721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: yes, in this case < 1244670722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bogon's ToS is nice < 1244670736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are not allowed to do anything illegal. If we are told you are doing something illegal, we'll cut you off." < 1244670743 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, uh, the website of the organization doing the "local-ish area networking" thing seems to have morphed into a portal site completely in Russian (at least with the cyrillic alphabet) so I'm guessing they're not really in business any longer. < 1244670744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bogons' < 1244670746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the person who told you that was lying? < 1244670759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i was summarising < 1244670764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bogons.net/aup.shtml < 1244670779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still lists too many individual violations for my liking < 1244670798 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, remember when I spoiled http://qntm.org/?failure for you? Do you still remember the spoiler? < 1244670811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Something about people dying in some way. < 1244670812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melting perhaps? < 1244670814 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, it's FS, so don't read it now if you want to save FS) < 1244670823 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even specify how < 1244670828 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The terms-of-service for most ISPs around here are rather ugly too. For one thing, a majority of them have some sort of "you are not allowed to have a server program connected to our network" thing. < 1244670844 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want me to? < 1244670850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virgin let you have servers if you meet N where N tends to infinity conditions < 1244670852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no < 1244670882 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you read ROT13'd text as though it weren't ROT13'd? < 1244670901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I get my web browser to decode it < 1244670904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an isp existed offering a symmetrical 100mbit connection, with a terms of use consisting of "illegal stuff is prohibited", and that did stuff like ipv6 & custom reverse dns... < 1244670909 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gurl nyy qvr bs qrulqengvba. < 1244670913 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^SPOILERS < 1244670917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd leave home and fly there overnight :P < 1244670921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What the fuck is your problem? < 1244670930 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just don't decode it < 1244670943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird: HEY ELLIOTT WANT A SPOILER No. REAAALLLLLLLLLLY? I said no. Gurl nyy qvr bs qrulqengvba LOLOLOLOLOLO < 1244670948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How obnoxious. < 1244671091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, not allowed to have any daemons? < 1244671135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Actually, I can't think of a justification other than attempting to get me to decode it out of curiosity and thus re-spoiling. < 1244671144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I hereby deem you a royal jerk. < 1244671194 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I really wanted to spoil you, I would have either not mentioned that it was a spoiler, or spoiled in plaintext < 1244671212 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's not like there are any definitions of terms there, so it's anyone's guess as to what constitutes a "server". < 1244671216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you bothered me about whether I wanted a spoiler or not and then said it anyway... why exactly? < 1244671247 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Bored silliness. < 1244671442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Let's say you run an outbound VPN and have servers over that. :P < 1244671443 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1244671488 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Translated] Can I set up my own server? Yes. You can set up a server as long as it is not for commercial activities. < 1244671524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: That's ridiculous. < 1244671529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's utterly ridiculous. < 1244671708 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I translated this on-#esoteric earlier, but one ISP here ("Elisa") has the following [rough translation trying to keep the text style and confusedness intact] about servers: you are not allowed "to use the network service to provide services for broadband- or internet-service users by placing server equipment or software into the data communication link". < 1244671749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1244671764 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :managers write it < 1244671806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrapado: no, managers tell lawyers to write it < 1244671865 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and neither one knows what they are doing < 1244671918 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I believe that the first statement is correct. < 1244671932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrapado: lawyers absolutely know what they're doing. < 1244671937 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should do the entire operation before branching. < 1244671944 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1244672020 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last part especially is written so that the Finnish version sounds very much like they're talking about literally taking some piece of soft- or hardware and somehow inserting it into some sort of reified physical manifestation of the connection you're buying. They *could* just as easily speak of connecting those things to the link or something so that it made sense, but no; you insert things into it. < 1244672028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's the tube, and you put stuff in it. < 1244672046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one tube, or a series? < 1244672068 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One tube for the customer; presumably it connects to a series of. < 1244672068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would ban a router that offers DNS caching, but not an actual server. < 1244672077 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, i do not know < 1244672090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrapado: you don't know what? < 1244672106 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether lawyers know what they are doing < 1244672191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrapado: what sort of mad alternate universe do you live in < 1244672199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think what you mean to say is "i don't like lawyers". < 1244672229 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1244672248 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, i am debugging the world and looking for a guilty < 1244672266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrapado: erm, your grammar seems very guilty < 1244672354 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, can you decapitate it ? < 1244672371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrapado: i think it already has been < 1244672474 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, headless grammar it is then < 1244672474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244672494 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :headless grammar? o.o < 1244672525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244672531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could totally theorizify that < 1244672545 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a headless grammar < 1244672580 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a grammar without a start symbol < 1244672582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a grammar that got decapitated < 1244672596 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a grammar without a start symbol? < 1244672603 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean where any non-terminal is a valid start symbol? < 1244672634 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with several start symbols < 1244672644 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@084202205021.customer.alfanett.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244672647 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like < 1244672674 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your grammar is (R, T, N, S) < 1244672686 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of S ∈ N < 1244672690 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its S ⊆ N? < 1244672699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go with it < 1244672703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1244672715 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if thats what you mean, then you have not changed a thing < 1244672724 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i meant S = a string of more than one non terminal < 1244672734 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont follow < 1244672771 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do not start with S, you start with, say AB < 1244672775 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. ok. < 1244672782 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then you still are starting with S. < 1244672786 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1244672790 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider this, right < 1244672798 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i understand < 1244672824 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your grammar is (R, T, N, AB), thats the same as (R + {S -> AB}, T, N + {S}, S) < 1244672841 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be equivalent, but it is not the same < 1244672853 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not the same in form, no < 1244672861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: why do linguists just have long tuples instead of naming shit? :D < 1244672868 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you really get no benefit from this < 1244672869 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.. < 1244672871 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long tuples? < 1244672884 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G = (R, T, N, S) is maths, ehird, not linguistics < 1244672888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh this syntactical monomorphonomy is (A,GT,R+Z->Y,{F},X,QUR,D)" < 1244672889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i know < 1244672904 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some lingustics is, since chomsky defined something there < 1244672919 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, chomsky did some math for the earliest parts of formal language theory < 1244672936 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how is that a long tuple? < 1244672940 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a lot shorter than saying, like < 1244672953 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"your rules include S -> AB, you have a new non-terminal S, and S is the start symbol) < 1244672964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: vs "morpho A, syntactic transform GT, equivalence relation R+Z->Y" < 1244672970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could even abbreviate them! < 1244672978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mph A, st GT, eqr R+Z->Y < 1244672979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1244672980 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1244672994 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could abbreviate them even more by omitting the name and understanding the position is relevant < 1244673002 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A, GT, R+Z->Y < 1244673009 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and innat a tuple. < 1244673016 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244673020 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. < 1244673025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:29 psygnisfive: you could abbreviate them even more by omitting the name and understanding the position is relevant < 1244673027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but < 1244673037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"element 4" meaningfulness <<<<<<< "eqr" meaningfulness < 1244673056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it's like saying variables in a function are referred to by the number of their occurance < 1244673063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let 3 let $1 + 2 let $1+$2 < 1244673065 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except element 4 is never said? < 1244673074 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1244673074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ let a=3 let b=a+2 let c=a+b < 1244673088 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i did that, ehird. < 1244673101 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G = (R, T, N, S) < 1244673109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine. :P < 1244673135 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then (R + {S -> AB}, ...) < 1244673148 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NE WAYS < 1244673157 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrapado: i dont see what youre getting from this "headlessness" < 1244673177 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same you are getting with your headness < 1244673183 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from * < 1244673184 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1244673192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: he didn't actually invent this any more than on the spot... < 1244673198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:17 atrapado: ehird, i am debugging the world and looking for a guilty < 1244673198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:17 ehird: atrapado: erm, your grammar seems very guilty < 1244673200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:19 atrapado: ehird, yes, can you decapitate it ? < 1244673202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:19 ehird: atrapado: i think it already has been < 1244673203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:21 atrapado: ehird, headless grammar it is then < 1244673225 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok then :P < 1244673315 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be funny defined that way < 1244673337 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@c2391BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244673341 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1244673372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: how heavy is your wearable computer? < 1244673383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's low-spec; even a heatsink would likely be prohibitive as far as comfort goes < 1244673421 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you get 'a' from 'AB' ? < 1244673449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'd imagine it is, at best, comparable to an EeePC. < 1244673462 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrapado: what do you mean? < 1244673473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'd go for an embedded ARM type set up < 1244673482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so you can use a really tiny motherboard, no heatsink or anything needed < 1244673496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a decent desktop arm is probably better than a low-end x86 < 1244673501 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244673517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wearable computing is just brain implants for wussies :) < 1244673534 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, if you start with nonterminals 'AB', what grammar do you need so that 'a' is in the grammar ? < 1244673543 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'a' terminal < 1244673547 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A -> a, B -> ε < 1244673555 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ! < 1244673559 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming a CFG-with-epsilons < 1244673563 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every grammar has epsilons ? < 1244673565 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244673571 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can have * < 1244673580 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, actually < 1244673594 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Idonno, maybe 2 lbs all said. < 1244673602 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your language does not contain the empty string, then CSLs do not require epsilon rules. < 1244673617 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember! When turning left onto a one-way street, the right lane is the wrong lane! < 1244673624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ugh, I'd hate to carry around 0.9kg around < 1244673631 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if your language DOES contain the empty string < 1244673633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's light, sure < 1244673635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still a pain < 1244673640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what's the specs like < 1244673647 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!google beagleboard < 1244673648 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://google.com/search?q=beagleboard < 1244673650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—and I mean the specifications, not the spectacles— < 1244673651 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can write a CSG where the only epsilon rule is S -> ε < 1244673660 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all other rules are strictly epsilon-free < 1244673662 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, psygnisfive < 1244673675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Beagle_Board_big.jpg < 1244673680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: some of those heatsinks look a bit heavy < 1244673689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: how do you interact with it? < 1244673693 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no, not every grammar has epsilons. only grammars for languages with the empty string have epsilons. < 1244673701 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :............... the BB has no heatsinks. < 1244673710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: dude, yes it does < 1244673711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at it < 1244673712 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that 3"x3" < 1244673718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1244673722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it definitely has heatsinks < 1244673733 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244673735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what's the input method < 1244673740 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders which component ehird thinks is a heatsink ...
< 1244673740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1244673749 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ring-mounted mouse and a tiny bluetooth keyboard. < 1244673754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm looking wrong :P < 1244673759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: oh, that's bullshit < 1244673760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Damn. < 1244673765 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty awesome. < 1244673767 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, do you know how many grammars there are ? < 1244673771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the fuck wants to use shitty mice/keyboards on the go < 1244673773 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1244673782 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244673785 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You're another one of those "IT'S NOT A WEARABLE IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN IMPOSSIBLE-TO-LEARN CHORDER" retards? < 1244673792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrapado: Approximately \infty < 1244673795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1244673801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\infnty? < 1244673802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: get some gloves/mittens with half a keyboard in the palm, like those Kinesis keyboards < 1244673803 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1244673809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. MY TEX FOO SUCKS. < 1244673810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have the right one have two extra keys for left/right click < 1244673813 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That sounds unbearably awkward ... < 1244673820 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly the same number as the number of natural numbers < 1244673825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I'd call a chording keyboard worth it. < 1244673825 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if you mean how many grammars, period, then yes, an infinite number. < 1244673830 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1244673833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: not too much, but think of the advantages < 1244673836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to each his own. < 1244673837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just keep walking while typing and mousing < 1244673841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for moving the mouse... < 1244673848 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can walk and mouse anyway. < 1244673851 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, for any given language there are an infinite number of grammars for that language. < 1244673854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a button that, when you hold it down, your hand movements move the mouse < 1244673856 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I doubt I could concentrate on walking and typing regardless :P < 1244673865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you make a fist and move to the top-left of the screen, say. < 1244673868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be kick-ass. < 1244673870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That Beagleboard there seems to not have heatsinks. It seems to have a few *sockets*. < 1244673880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, I looked at it wrong < 1244673907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like a wearable computer a lot, but it'd have to do it right < 1244673908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyyyyyyyy < 1244673910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought! < 1244673916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you can get transparent-background oled displays < 1244673922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: very trivially, just add an indirection non-terminal < 1244673923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[well, they're in the "trade show demo" phase] < 1244673923 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, for $$$ < 1244673926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that's* what you need < 1244673931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seamless integration, beyotch! < 1244673933 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a "budget" wearable :P < 1244673938 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for CFGs, sure. < 1244673940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: got any photos? < 1244673943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds cool regardless < 1244673954 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Not yet. Surprisingly difficult to take full-body photos of oneself :P < 1244673958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: use a timer < 1244673963 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any given language, i think there is a finite number of minimal CFGs < 1244673966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: general chomsky grammars too, naturally < 1244673969 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That's what I did, but it's not focusing right. < 1244673969 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, CFGs without useless rules < 1244673971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will quite likely have to get a beagle board and make a tiny laptop out of it
< 1244673982 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any given CFL, i mean < 1244673983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: also, budget wearable = a wearable that you can't take around town because you'd look like a freaking dolt < 1244673983 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That would be a very tiny laptop. < 1244673984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244673986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what I need from a laptop is... SSH) < 1244673991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: erm < 1244673994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3" laptop? < 1244673999 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't care what I look like. < 1244674016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: The police do, if you have a suspicious, fat pack on you :P < 1244674018 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think for CSGs and UGs, there are an infinite number of minimal grammars < 1244674020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*KABOOM* < 1244674028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah, it's bullshit; but it happens) < 1244674029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... More likely 3" computer with attached keyboard and screen. :P < 1244674034 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah, the West Lafayette police department are brutal X_X < 1244674035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so not a laptop < 1244674051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: A hypothetical IM conversation: < 1244674056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : OMFG some police are coming < 1244674058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could arbitrarily make it into a laptop. < 1244674059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : What? < 1244674062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Really < 1244674065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1244674068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh god they've got tasers < 1244674072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : What are you doing? < 1244674075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : NO GOD NODSkdjgldkh;lg';hkl < 1244674079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;kk' < 1244674085 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird that I'd still be typing at that point :P < 1244674090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: But of course! < 1244674098 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have you suffered police brutality recently? X-P < 1244674102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :P < 1244674103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: a better choice for a laptop is either an Intel Atom or a VIA Nano < 1244674111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the atom boards have either fans or heatsinks though < 1244674115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a via nano has some kick-ass power < 1244674120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it can decode 720p with 6% cpu usage < 1244674127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Heh. < 1244674134 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does SSH, it's enough. < 1244674136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's one of the smaller board sizes, and doesn't need a heatsink or fan < 1244674146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no reason to artificially downsize, though < 1244674159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the problem I've had with a homebrew laptop is getting a chassis < 1244674175 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i think it is undecidable whether two CFG give the same language, which makes me somewhat doubt that you can computably reduce to a finite set < 1244674176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, they all suck. < 1244674204 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im pretty sure its decidable < 1244674232 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but regardless of whether or not its decidable is irrelevant to the existence of such a set of grammars. < 1244674245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10"-12" OLED screen, via nano, <=1kg weight < 1244674251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := Wintop. < 1244674258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not laptop. Wintop. < 1244674305 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im pretty sure its decidable < 1244674338 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: no, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context-free_language#Decidability_properties < 1244674354 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1244674371 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think a recursive language / a decisor is sufficient for almost everyone ? < 1244674380 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesnt really matter. < 1244674385 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrapado: what? < 1244674415 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a rephrase of bill gates' 640 k is enough for everyone < 1244674428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it was? < 1244674430 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but what do you mean by that? < 1244674430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was totally nonobvious < 1244674447 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1244674460 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all languages are recursive languages (except finite languages which are useless) < 1244674460 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you can do almost any interesting calculation with a decisor < 1244674462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: [[Please welcome our new administrator, GregorR, who will be taking over as leader of the Wearable Computing Wiki.]] lawl < 1244674468 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a decisor? < 1244674478 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a machine that always halts < 1244674479 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: >_> <_< < 1244674485 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. a DECIDER < 1244674492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ONLY NAZIS ADMINISTRATE WEARABLE COMPUTING WIKIS < 1244674496 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes < 1244674496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SHOULD FEEL SHIFTY AND ASHAMED < 1244674533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh! now i want to make a wearable computer < 1244674537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: surely, though, it's hard to read text? < 1244674541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small resolution and all < 1244674542 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno of such machines are sufficient for all purposes. itd depend on whether or not there are some common tasks that require the possibility of non-halting behavior < 1244674565 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I had to increase the font size, so I can't fit a normal 640x480 worth of text, but at the right size it's easy enough to read :P < 1244674572 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, REPLs generally are programmed that way, but sufficiently large maximum number of loops would be sufficient for all purposes and still halt < 1244674583 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I wouldn't want to use it as an ebook reader X-P < 1244674595 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, think about a desktop, it surely do not need such non-halting < 1244674596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: but, necessarily it'll be harder to use than even a 15" external display < 1244674600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's right against your eyes and low-res... < 1244674616 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrapado: well, no, you just need absurdly long halt times < 1244674626 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The periscope-y thing plays an optical trick such that it doesn't look like it's right against your eye, it looks like it's larger and at some distance. < 1244674635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: interesting < 1244674641 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, all real computers are deciders, ignoring IO < 1244674644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i'd ask you to take a picture, but that's obviously rather impossible :) < 1244674648 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, sorry. < 1244674651 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just not TC. < 1244674656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: if i was to make a wearable computer, I'd have to have a super-quick, high-quality camera < 1244674658 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1244674664 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they have limited memory and time < 1244674666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because messing with reality would be so much fun... < 1244674672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inverted world! < 1244674675 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244674683 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think that means that all non-terminating behavior is trivial on them < 1244674705 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, psygnisfive , they would reach a loop always < 1244674723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: unfortuntaely, budget :( < 1244674737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: There might be good reason to artificially downsize. Consider that a downsized system might have better battery performance. < 1244674753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: true, but via nano battery life is, iirc, good < 1244674761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: like >10hr good < 1244674767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well maybe less if you have it under constant load) < 1244674777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants it running for hours on double-A batteries. :P
< 1244674790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: eh < 1244674794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just charge a lithium battery overnight < 1244674802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wearing it for over 10 hours would suck < 1244674805 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244674849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aimone and Mann succeeded in designing an injection moulded EyeTap suitable for mass production, as shown below: " < 1244674859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: does that mean they actually inject it into your eye? < 1244674863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wearcam.org/italian_design/bests/dsc001bbbb.jpg < 1244674879 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Injection molding is how plastic devices are usually made to roughly the right shape :P < 1244674883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :P < 1244674892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Well it looks like it's in the eye >_< < 1244674894 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They INJECT it into a MOLD. < 1244674908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm saying 'laptop', not 'wearable computer', though. < 1244674938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay. The question is, what the fuck are you doing that puts you away from any battery charging ability whatsoever for such long amounts of time? < 1244674961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And why do you need your laptop on all this time? < 1244674967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing at all. I just wants it. < 1244674969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to hybrid suspend, which uses 0 power after a time. < 1244674988 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "laptop on all this time"? I am an IRC addict. :P < 1244675027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on a more serious note: I suck at remembering to bring chargers for things) < 1244675038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So you're going out into the wilderness, where there is no opportunity to charge. And for all this ~13 hours of time, you will be on IRC constantly. < 1244675041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, here's my question. < 1244675047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY THE FUCK DID YOU GO INTO THE WILDERNESS? :P < 1244675066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wilderness/anywhere my computer is not/ < 1244675098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wow, does your state have some sort of electrical socket holocaust going on? < 1244675113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: does that gen.mid thing change each load? < 1244675115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I suck at remembering to bring chargers. < 1244675142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then you suck at remembering to bring replacement AA batteries... < 1244675146 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah, it's random. < 1244675155 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Also, I'm still fekking around with the software. < 1244675158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nothing's gonna get you >10-15hrs. < 1244675169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: relink me? < 1244675179 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/autocompose.php < 1244675182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAs are easier to obtain than chargers. < 1244675185 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now with chords. < 1244675187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially for custom hardware. < 1244675195 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually nearing being legitimately good. < 1244675199 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though not really :P < 1244675205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just get a generic lithium battery charger < 1244675240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyway, so you are near a store where you can get AAs, you have been IRCing constantly for 13 hours, and there is no way you could obtain or use a charger. And it is vital that you get your computer running again immediately. < 1244675243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. :P < 1244675254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1244675256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: this one has too many stops < 1244675258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244675258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rests, etc < 1244675266 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Uhh, it shouldn't have any rests at all. < 1244675269 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It generates no rests. < 1244675279 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It might be an unfortunate result of the random instrument it picked. < 1244675283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Then it's generating tones out of my MIDI's range. < 1244675287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or inaudible.) < 1244675306 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably that it randomly chose the "wrong" instrument. < 1244675310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: How many <15kHz tones does it have? < 1244675316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: but this is quite good. Make it generate multiple tracks. < 1244675319 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why, none! :P < 1244675323 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses. < 1244675325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A special-case for percussion, say. Then add rests. And it will rock. < 1244675337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants a piece of music for not-old-men.
< 1244675345 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: Hbrw: Jst dd vwls. <-- actually hbrw is more insidious than that iirc. the jews themselves found it unreadable so they added _some_ but not _all_ of the vowel information using silent consonants at some point. then much later they added full vowel diacritics, but only for special purposes like the bible. < 1244675345 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: T.B.H., I don't know sh** about MIDI percussion :P < 1244675385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: There are a few instruments that just have one sound with varying pitches, which is stupid < 1244675391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: But the drumkit ones, < 1244675392 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"going-to-sleep" < 1244675396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pitch = one of the sounds. < 1244675400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trial and error. < 1244675409 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to trial-and-error with an autocomposer :P < 1244675428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Fire up midi composer. Play around with drumkit. Program results into autocomposer. < 1244675461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: It's just given me a percussive song :P < 1244675467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very foreboding. < 1244675470 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaaaaa? < 1244675475 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timpani maybe? < 1244675479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yeah, I think so. < 1244675481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll upload it. < 1244675483 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that'd explain it. < 1244675489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rather catchy. < 1244675493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: http://filebin.ca/dqnzjf/gen-1.mid < 1244675517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has some variation, too. < 1244675518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ve' go'. < 1244675565 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/smgzgb/gen3.mid // this one is seriously sweet < 1244675577 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is gen-1 < 1244675606 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244675621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: gen-1 seriously feels like an old DOS game < 1244675624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dramatic scene < 1244675634 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahaha, it so does X-D < 1244675635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the sort of crunchy, distorted sound of the timpanis < 1244675649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: gen3 is jazzy < 1244675803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: this could be seriously great given time. Want me to run gen-1 through my mt-32 for that Authenticke sound? < 1244675890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I agree, so I'll do it. < 1244675977 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1244675988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR ENTHUSIASM < 1244675993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE A PICTURE OF IT TOO < 1244676013 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1244676023 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1244676042 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... YES? < 1244676048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY SIR < 1244676057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT. GregorR? < 1244676064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY COMPUTER DOES NOT HAVE A MIDI OUT THINGY. < 1244676068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST MY KEYBOARD. < 1244676071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :......... < 1244676076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO DO. < 1244676096 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, buy a USB->MIDI adapter? :P < 1244676111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: THAT TAKES WORK. < 1244676124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I COULD TELL MY COMPUTER TO TELL MY KEYBOARD TO TELL THE MT-32 TO PLAY IT, I GUESS. < 1244676185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Did you know that you could send messages to appear on an mt-32's display? < 1244676188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adventure games did that. < 1244676189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Your computer doesn't do MIDI? Lame soundcard. < 1244676196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It DOES, but I don't have a port for it. < 1244676204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iMac. It doesn't have many ports. < 1244676213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it more likely your computer has a gameport/MIDI port, and you just need an adapter) < 1244676214 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very, VERY few modern computers have MIDI ports. < 1244676218 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Oh, right. *Mac*. < 1244676221 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even classically they had game ports with adapters. < 1244676233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Mine has two, if you count game ports. < 1244676249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Fine, so that's because I have onboard sound *and* a PCI sound card. < 1244676272 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, two game ports? :P < 1244676292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh. < 1244676311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1244676328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I'll try doing a bastard computer→keyboard→mt-32→computer setup. < 1244676335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait. < 1244676338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I'll try doing a bastard computer→keyboard→mt-32→keyboard→computer setup. < 1244676375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: The cool thing about the mt-32 was that games and stuff could reprogram its soundbank. < 1244676378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike sound cards, etc. < 1244676380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the fly. < 1244676397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like MODs! < 1244676422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: So, like a high-quality sound card or a MIDI program. < 1244676422 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1244676430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No. MIDI soundcards cannot do that. < 1244676432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a unique feature. < 1244676443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And why game companies loved it so much even though it cost so much and nobody had one) < 1244676517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Hookin' up stuff now < 1244676550 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Some sound cards have proper synthesizers, and not just wavetables. < 1244676555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're few and far between, though. < 1244676556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not back then. < 1244676637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. 80s. < 1244676661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and 90s < 1244676666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: does it generate any stero? < 1244676667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stereo < 1244676670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have one lead, so mono output < 1244676694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Late 90s is about when soundcards got better than wavetable. < 1244676699 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, no stereo. < 1244676707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1244676822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: all hooked up < 1244676825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to figure out how to send shit < 1244677191 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suggests an excremental approach
< 1244677226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: "Rondo will run in demo mode where random features are disabled each session." < 1244677227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1244677250 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ? < 1244677254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: the midi playing software < 1244677258 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet :P < 1244677260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: disabling a different feature each run is so stupdi : < 1244677261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244677263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stupid < 1244677277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You may choose up to 5 features" < 1244677278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, really0 < 1244677281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*) < 1244677303 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they should have done for Windows Starter Edition! < 1244677307 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't disbelieve you, that's just incredible. < 1244677335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*attempts to find out how to make it send midi* < 1244677396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it's Taiko Drum, not Timpani, btw < 1244677409 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Ah. < 1244677459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1244677464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't let you re-pick features < 1244677465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, now it does. < 1244677514 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Taiko Drum a feature? ;) < 1244677531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : JUST LET ME USE MY MT-32!!! < 1244677582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries "Mighty MIDI"
< 1244677637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1244677640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be able to do it < 1244677650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: This will be rather WTFy... < 1244677660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to start a recording in GarageBand, < 1244677665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then tell Mighty MIDI to play it < 1244677668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then stop when it stops. < 1244677754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it's sending to the kb < 1244677770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're not getting anything back < 1244677823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: problem identified < 1244677829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mt-32 isn't blinking, so it isn't getting anything < 1244677851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think i gotta change some settings on the kb < 1244678104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okie dokie < 1244678104 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/dsnmkp/TellinglyAccessibleJig.mid // three-track autocomposed :) < 1244678121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: d'you think maybe "midi out" is it < 1244678124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((or "panic")) < 1244678128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it might be "Local" < 1244678134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads manual
< 1244678152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1244678157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MIDI Out Mode key (G#2) determines what data is sent to the external MIDI Out port Pressing this key in Edit mode will < 1244678157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toggle between two options: < 1244678159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1) MIDI coming from the computer via USB is sent to the external MIDI Out port < 1244678161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2) MIDI from the Keyboard is sent to the USB and external MIDI Out ports < 1244678342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: that tellingly accessible jig is way too accessible < 1244678347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: needs moar percussion < 1244678348 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244678359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1244678360 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1244678375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1244678376 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt