< 1244851294 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1244852053 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1244852974 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244853291 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244853762 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244854350 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone mention converting brainfuck into music recently? < 1244854393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: brainfuck to fugue < 1244854394 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found a brainfuck.mp3 buried away in my home directory :o < 1244854399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore that < 1244854700 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1244854811 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244855860 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef//logs/esoteric/07.05.19 <- apparently what I found was not actually generated from brainfuck :( < 1244856214 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"." < 1244856290 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur_ < 1244856510 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1244857030 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244858054 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244858235 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244858273 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one thing you have forgotten in compile to BF < 1244858404 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot BrainClub < 1244858414 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BrainClub compiles into brainfuck < 1244858618 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka joins MegaZeux channel as well < 1244858722 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244858977 0 :amca!n=amca@CPE-121-208-82-97.qld.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1244861291 0 :MizardX-!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1244861297 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244861324 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1244861950 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@91.105.121.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244861963 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am I here? < 1244861977 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244863064 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244863066 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244863139 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244863546 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1244863549 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hes gone < 1244863555 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nurrmind < 1244863564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i know. what was the question anyhow? ;D < 1244863631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Man. We are growing organs *right now*. < 1244863642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the future. get used to it. < 1244863720 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244863848 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244863851 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: I'm not sure it's a cellular automata, as things need to travel on paths, and cells can only affect cells that hit them (and often transform themselves in the process, or release new sparks) < 1244863898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the state of a cell depends only on the previous state of a bounded neighborhood, then it's a cellular automaton. assuming it's all in a grid. < 1244863960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter how complicated it is. you may still be out of look implementing it on a standard CA program though... < 1244864181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : is there a reversible, turing complete CA? <-- almost certainly < 1244864209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any reversible turing machine is a reversible CA, essentially < 1244864258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the same reason stated 4 lines above < 1244864899 0 :Saites!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think BBM is a reversible Turing-complete CA. < 1244864910 0 :Saites!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you start with an infinite pattern. < 1244864949 0 :Saites!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't want to start with an infinite pattern, extend BBM so that you get a machine that grows. < 1244864973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's BBM? < 1244864992 0 :Saites!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some CA. :-P < 1244865012 0 :Saites!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, a Margolus CA that I think was described in "Cellular Automata Machines". < 1244865019 0 :Saites!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's available with MCell. < 1244865055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and with a reversible CA you _cannot_ get a machine that grows, unless it grows towards the past as well < 1244865073 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might not be such a problem actually < 1244865101 0 :Saites!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the CA be partial? < 1244865120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1244865132 0 :Saites!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay. < 1244865142 0 :Saites!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start with a partial CA that works. Find the holes in it and connect them randomly. < 1244865167 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although "billiard ball machine"? < 1244865177 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saites: that might work < 1244865195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a slight problem that reversibility of CA's isn't entirely local < 1244865196 0 :Saites!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CA is a decent approximation to the actual billiard ball model. < 1244865201 0 :Saites!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is what it stands for. < 1244865219 0 :Saites!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, when balls collide, they also slow down. < 1244865239 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1244865241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were recently discussing the Billiard Ball Machine on the wiki < 1244865256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is sort of an esolang) < 1244865281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there was no slowdown in that < 1244865373 0 :Saites!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1244865387 0 :Saites!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the CA, they slow down. In the actual billiard ball model, they don't. < 1244865406 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244865485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks a link from the wiki is appropriate < 1244865656 0 :MizardX-!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1244865668 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244865676 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link http://cell-auto.com/bbm/2d/index.html says it's universal too < 1244865686 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244865689 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1244865807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally remembers that Saites isn't a new guy :D < 1244865875 0 :Saites!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Petalon < 1244865882 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahaha! Now you have to remember all over again! < 1244865890 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Petalon mercilessly -----### < 1244865920 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, using this random Ancient Greek word generator, it took three tries to get something that isn't also an English word. < 1244865969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neologism is hard < 1244865977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a greek word < 1244866004 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neologism is a Greek word? < 1244866013 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neo and logos are Greek words, perhaps. < 1244866014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the parts are < 1244866029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably needs a case suffix < 1244866047 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grabs more Greek words. < 1244866056 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saites = ? < 1244866081 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone from Sais, or something. < 1244866093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english: saite < 1244866098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Petalon = ? < 1244866109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pantaloni! < 1244866114 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaf or slice. < 1244866148 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monas, Kolobathristes, Gramma, Teleo, Sumposion! < 1244866156 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "sumposion" would make a fine English word. < 1244866165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT IHOPE! < 1244866188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neologismos < 1244866189 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think it already is an English word. It's just "symposium". < 1244866213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait is neo- correct greek, actually? it's ne_a_polis, after all < 1244866243 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monas, Kolobathristes, Gramma, Teleo, Paramenei! < 1244866255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teleo- is a fine english prefix < 1244866289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gramma isn't particularly unknown either < 1244866303 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is monas ~= monad, perhaps < 1244866323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now kolobathristes, i grant you. < 1244866447 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monas ~= monad indeed, though I don't know what ~= means. < 1244866459 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You generally see it in English as mono-. < 1244866486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately equal < 1244866516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i would assume monas is mono- + some suffix < 1244866545 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A really tiny suffix, maybe. < 1244866653 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like -r is a tiny suffix in "writer"? < 1244866672 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1244866674 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep in mind that in greek, there are certain phonological process that apply to s, t, and d in word final position < 1244866705 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244866711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: which is how i guessed it was monad in the first place < 1244866719 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ey? < 1244866739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Monas, Kolobathristes, Gramma, Teleo, Paramenei! < 1244866780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes crows could be exterminated < 1244866783 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :petalon: sumposion is written how, in original greek? < 1244866787 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOISY PESTS! < 1244866843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244866925 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244866930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Atlas is a particularly nice example, i think < 1244866940 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of? < 1244866943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the s is actually a reduced -nt, it seems < 1244866946 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :petalon! < 1244866949 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is. < 1244866968 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that only is true of some final s's < 1244866975 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some words have underlying /s/ < 1244866975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, duh < 1244866997 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did this for a phonology test once, actually < 1244867010 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we did greek for homework, and then a similar latin problem for the test < 1244867040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin -s can be much the same, i recall < 1244867056 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244867066 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an almost identical process < 1244867147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although sometimes the change seems to go the other way, with s -> r between vowels < 1244867191 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flosis floris < 1244867200 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a case of dissimilation, i think < 1244867213 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think its related to the whole d/t/s/nt thing < 1244867215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :venus veneris < 1244867235 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intervocalic dissimilation, yeah < 1244867749 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244868064 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reloxing" < 1244868641 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sumposion in the original Greek? < 1244868692 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :συμπόσιον < 1244868802 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244869234 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1244869248 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so symposium isnt too far off < 1244869267 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the upsilon there should be transliterated as a y not a u < 1244869289 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since the word was loaned into latin before being brought into english, we get um instead of on < 1244869676 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what sucks worse than a cluttered mess of a movie? Seeing it with friends who actually /enjoyed/ the crappy thing. < 1244869712 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which movie < 1244869831 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Up". < 1244869897 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, it was cluttered? :( < 1244869899 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks so funny < 1244869931 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I am not GregorR. < 1244869971 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have the right to speak on his behalf, only to pretend to do so. < 1244870000 0 :MizardX-!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1244870001 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reappears. < 1244870002 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent seen up < 1244870003 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pelham 123 < 1244870004 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1244870006 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was really awful. < 1244870010 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh how so? < 1244870017 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a sec, talking on phone. < 1244870020 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1244870024 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill just watch it, dont worry < 1244870046 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244870056 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1244870074 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a cluttered mess. Particularly in terms of graphical effects. < 1244870082 0 :evenant!n=myndzi@71-35-119-135.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244870102 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd use some effect for one scene, that's utterly unlike any other effect they'd used, and then *boom* right back into straight live action. And I'm thinking, "What the hell was I supposed to get from that effect? Other than 'confused'?" < 1244870160 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1244870161 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the main "hook" to the movie, what was supposed to make the villain interesting, was barely delved into at all, it was basically mentioned as a passing remark in two or three places. Oh, so that's why he's here. Well, back to the formula for hostage flicks then! < 1244870188 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that it was just utterly by-the-book. Down to at least four instances of "THREE - TWO - ONE" *saved by the bell* < 1244870224 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mma watch it right now < 1244870554 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244870801 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant find pelham 123 on the sites < 1244870855 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too garbage to be ripped :P < 1244870913 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1244871111 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1244871793 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244873931 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1244875255 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-7-253.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244876083 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244878382 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocks. < 1244878463 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hens. < 1244878487 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drakes. < 1244878545 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stumped. < 1244878704 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the female term is "duck" < 1244878722 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, poo. < 1244878726 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "hen", depending on species. < 1244878740 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not depending on species sorry < 1244878743 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but depending on person < 1244879095 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"YES -> thor-ainor.it <- THIS IS *DELICIOUS*!" < 1244879133 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Masterpiecemachine has OpenID support now. < 1244879999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1244880000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1244880068 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-11.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1244880681 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: may I suggest "dogs"? < 1244880691 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1244880710 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you said "cocks" and "drakes". < 1244880720 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you might want to consider saying "dogs" as well. < 1244880732 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was years ago < 1244880747 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're right. Sorry. < 1244881474 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244883063 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244883074 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1244883938 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244884156 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-48-141.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244884626 0 :nooga!n=nooga@abcm176.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1244885095 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244885869 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCdbZqI1r7I < 1244885883 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeff hawkins doesnt understand why a universal turing machine is universal < 1244887601 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho maybe he was simplifying < 1244887613 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're from the same town in new york :D < 1244887856 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1244888321 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-120.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1244888329 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-15-241.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244888458 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244889218 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to build an HTM :O < 1244889220 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks fun < 1244889231 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should build a language for an HTM system < 1244889299 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244889426 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTM? Whats that? < 1244889839 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware transactional memory? < 1244890865 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1244890919 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hierarchical temporal memory < 1244890926 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he REALLY doesnt know what universal means in turings sense < 1244890933 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says brains arent universal in turings sense < 1244890936 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is obviously false < 1244891268 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im pretty sure brains dont develop infinite tapes < 1244891575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1244891593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as I said, you will see the pictures! ;P < 1244891595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1244891597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not today < 1244891611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent the last 21 hours on a train. < 1244891659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleeping wagon, but there were lots of issues, so the trip lasted about two hours longer than planned. < 1244891812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First a broken switch just outside Kiruna, where the train had to wait for it to be repaired before it could continue. Then there were issues with the locomotive, they had to replace it somewhere north of Umeå... Then some other train that was in front of us and had issues.. and so on. < 1244891836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... 360 new spam < 1244891839 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244891874 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244891954 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244892029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what was that program you used for panoramas? < 1244892157 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hugin, which is mostly just an interface for different tools. < 1244892189 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1244892207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1244892214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses autopano-sift-c for automatic control points, nona for the combining, enblend/enfuse for blending and so on. I guess the camera-position-optimizer is in hugin itself, though. < 1244892254 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca, its true that brains dont have infinite tapes < 1244892270 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats effectively irrelevant to the issue < 1244892302 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the UI is pretty idiosyncratic.) < 1244892304 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a human WITH an infinite tape is a utm, and the only difference is memory size, nothing else < 1244892324 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, your computer isnt a utm either for the same reason < 1244892352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244892378 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bounded storage machine, iirc. < 1244892394 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. aka a finite state machine. < 1244892397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any pitfalls in particular? < 1244892405 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the latency and seek time on a universal turing machine tape is. < 1244892407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also, all pics I have are in raw format... < 1244892417 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: what < 1244892443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or 16-bit (per channel) tiff using adobe rgb < 1244892458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I need to convert first < 1244892462 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I dont know what it is < 1244892468 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what is < 1244892519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there are packages for both autopano-sift and autopano-sift-c... what's the difference? < 1244892536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The -c version is the C port. < 1244892539 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latency and seek time on an infinite turing machine tape < 1244892545 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the .Net (probably C#) original. < 1244892547 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244892555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah.. < 1244892555 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think at least my version of hugin used autopano-sift-c by default. < 1244892556 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no latency or seek? < 1244892574 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some sort of patent issue on the SIFT algorithm, if you want to be wary of that sort of thing. < 1244892594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not in Europe I guess? < 1244892607 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i wonder if there is a complexity class which computer solves efficiently but human brain doesn't. < 1244892619 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, its called mathematics. < 1244892632 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atleast ignoring savants < 1244892634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the automagical control-point setting is not that important; I've been doing it manually just for the fun of it. Hugin auto-optimizes the points anyway, so you mostly have to set one point, then just randomly click on regions that are in both pictures of a pair and it'll figure it out. Assuming there's some sort of clear border/pattern there. < 1244892666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, mostly forest and mountains (with snow on the tops. < 1244892668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1244892683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this will take a while... got some other stuff to do first < 1244892690 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: if computational capacity of human brain is poorer than computer's (thus turing machine), there should be such problem... but i don't know any instance. < 1244892696 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a problem* < 1244892705 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1244892724 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computational class of both, ignoring memory size and looking just at the sort of operations on memory that can be performed, are identical. < 1244892735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it does handle tiff or other non-lossy formats right? < 1244892756 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i think so, and i'm (mostly) answering to amca ;) < 1244892778 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca's question was about seek times < 1244892782 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes no sense < 1244892786 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244892815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I would presume so, yes. The output is generated as a TIFF, anyway. Though it's easier if you have still EXIF info in the source images, since it can figure out sensible lens parameters automatically. < 1244892837 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tape machine does not perform memory access like a von neumann machine does < 1244892865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my camera stores the exif separately. Like: 00004.mrw 00004.(something I forgot, which contains the exif) < 1244892868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1244892869 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can simulate that, ofcourse, with the right state machine, but ultimately, thats a simulation, not a genuine aspect of the tape machine < 1244892904 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :further more, if we BUILT a tape machine with real tape and so forth, the speed of the machine is directly related to the speed of the state machine's components < 1244892911 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also to the motor that moves the tape around. < 1244892919 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a turing machine doesnt have latency or seek times, then time would be irrelevant to it, but time is a necessary component of state systems. There needs to be a time before and a time after state changes, or the concept of state doesnt make sense. < 1244892939 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seek and latency are concepts of memory access < 1244892946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tape machines do not perform memory access < 1244892972 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all they do is move left or right one space and do something to the tape cell. < 1244892976 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not sure if the gui supports "use this image but exif from this", but it should be able to read EXIF data from TIFF images too, so if you convert your raw format to that, you could then use some of the command-line exif tools to stick the information there. < 1244892979 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :move, do something, move, do something < 1244892982 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats it. < 1244892990 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no memory access on a tape machine < 1244892995 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, lets take this seriously, ok < 1244893000 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose we do have an infinite tape < 1244893007 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its finitely thing, it has infinite mass < 1244893009 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tape (and symbols on it) is the memory, and the tape moving left and right (as well as symbol reads/writes) are the access < 1244893016 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore the tape itself couldnt move so the device would have to < 1244893028 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it were infinite in mass, the universe would collapse into a black hole < 1244893034 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: if you call that the "access", you're right. but it doesn't make any difference really. < 1244893053 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is computable anyway. < 1244893060 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you say this is absurdly unrealistic and irrelevant to the question < 1244893060 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1244893066 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets pretend we COULD do this magic with the tape < 1244893068 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine < 1244893078 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets also pretend we can do magic where the tape or the state machine moves infinitely fast < 1244893087 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore theres no latency or seek time. < 1244893098 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tape machines do not perform seek operations < 1244893108 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do not call out to l2 cache, ram, or to the harddrive < 1244893126 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just work directly with the infinite memory tape < 1244893133 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, wouldnt every symbol/part on the tape be in a supposition of states? < 1244893141 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no memory access, just move-affect-move-affect < 1244893144 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: time is not relevalent, only thing relevalent is whether it's computable or not. < 1244893152 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no why would it be < 1244893163 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relevant* < 1244893164 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would call moving left or right on the tape seeking. < 1244893170 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca < 1244893173 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no seeking < 1244893176 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not LOOKING for something < 1244893184 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt keep moving until it finds what its looking for < 1244893191 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you write a program that simulates that behavior < 1244893210 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1244893214 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERY step is a single move in one direction or another (or no move at all if your version of tape machines allows that) < 1244893265 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a turing machine does not have latency or seek times because those concepts are not relevant here. < 1244893271 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isnt symbol change another step? Or do you mean step in a different sense? < 1244893283 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbol change is part of the transition < 1244893292 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"write A then move right" < 1244893296 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"write B then move left" < 1244893299 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1244893311 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arent they both two steps each? < 1244893313 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the actions taken o transitions. < 1244893325 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it they're an infinite number of steps if you want it to be < 1244893346 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"move write head down, hold for 10 seconds, life write head" < 1244893366 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"engage write head motor, initiate power on, do this do that" < 1244893391 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suppose we define "seek time" as the time between read cycles on the machine < 1244893400 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now we're just dealing with an engineering question < 1244893410 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the seek time on some particular device we've constructed < 1244893414 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know, go build one < 1244893430 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double the voltage and you could probably double the speed < 1244893437 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its a pointless question < 1244893466 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its entirely dependent on a) a pointless definition of "seek time" on a machine that has no similar concept to seeking < 1244893482 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on b) the particulars of how you construct the physical device < 1244893492 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like asking whats the seek time on a hard drive < 1244893496 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what harddrive? < 1244893499 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one in my laptop? < 1244893512 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the refrigerator sized 40 meg harddrives of the 70s? < 1244893530 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a solid state hard drive in a macbook air? < 1244893557 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a question about turing machines is meaningless < 1244893563 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like asking how many rpms my monitor gets < 1244893567 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night. < 1244893647 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: turing machine is an abstract concept, not governed by physical laws. so "time" is not relevant (though certain problems have well-defined time characteristics, for example, "within a polynomial factor of problem size") and whether it will be able to solve or not is relevant. < 1244893720 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesnt understand how you can have "state" without "time" < 1244893816 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: time could be relevant for practical purpose, of course. but as long as it takes finite time, it is equivalent to turing machine (and vice versa). < 1244893872 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several examples of problems which cannot be solved by turing machine, and in turn computers at all. < 1244893890 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in turn by computers at all* < 1244894061 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1244894187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: I'm not sure if the gui supports "use this image but exif from this", but it should be able to read EXIF data from TIFF images too, so if you convert your raw format to that, you could then use some of the command-line exif tools to stick the information there. < 1244894192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can do that < 1244894199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no idea how to copy the exif < 1244894201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to that tiff < 1244894216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use gimp + ufraw to convert my raw images < 1244894224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried to do anything about the exif before < 1244894253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exiftool -TagsFromFile file_with_exif.ext generated_tiff.tif" should probably copy it. < 1244894270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, exiftool? what package < 1244894275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no such thing here < 1244894289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait... media-libs/exiftool < 1244895032 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1244895033 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1244895104 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244896169 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1244896188 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-15-241.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244896253 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1244896271 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-15-241.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244896303 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-181.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1244896887 0 :MizardX-!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1244897213 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244897243 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1244897772 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-111-15.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244899195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you do that "lens calibration" thingy before? < 1244899200 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1244899201 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1244899223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, didn't bother. < 1244899227 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I implemented BF on a game creation system < 1244899231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1244899235 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :result: Why did I bother, it lags as hell of all hells < 1244899271 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I implemented something! :DD < 1244899280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, Some years ago I did game of life in a rpg game engine for Mac OS Classic (so won't run on Intel Macs iirc) < 1244899285 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Which game creation system? < 1244899442 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: MegaZeux < 1244899451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it doesn't seem to be able to handle tiff... < 1244899453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strange < 1244899456 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's multiplatform < 1244899550 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that for making text/console based games? < 1244899555 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hm. Strange. It *should*. The panotools 16-bit workflow guide -- at http://wiki.panotools.org/16bit_workflow_with_hugin -- says "The TIFF images can be loaded into hugin as per usual except --" (and the exception is about the EXIF thing). < 1244899576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what version of hugin < 1244899582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 0.7.0-r1 here now < 1244899589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I need 0.8.0-rc3? < 1244899611 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: Yeah < 1244899616 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Possibly. I have 0.7.0 too, but on the other hand I haven't tried to use non-jpeg images either. < 1244899617 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't confuse with ZZT, MegaZeux is much more advanced < 1244899624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244899632 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we compare them to operating systems, ZZT is DOS and MegaZeux is Linux < 1244899665 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did ZZT inspire it? < 1244899669 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure! < 1244899680 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZZT was what started the text/console GCS's < 1244899683 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made by Tim Sweeney < 1244899688 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't bothered to get more than 3*2 gigabytes of storage space, and had trouble even with those three-megabyte .jpgs; the raw files are a bit too big for "let's take some 1300 snaps" vacation photograpy. < 1244899691 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK it was coded in Pascal but I might be wrong... < 1244899706 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MegaZeux was coded in C/ASM and the multiplatform port was ported to C++/SDL and later on to C/SDL < 1244899714 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can run on many platforms < 1244899729 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DS (no audio), the PSP, the Wii, the PS3, Mac, Linux, Windows... < 1244899734 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GP2X < 1244899742 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the newer Amigas < 1244899746 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(er, i mean, AmigaOS) < 1244899783 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MegaZeux 2.70 and lower can run only on DOS, while the port (2.80 and higher) can run on nearly anything with C and SDL. No-one cares about DOS though. < 1244899786 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: U thought of porting it to BF and then running your MegaZeux BF on it? < 1244899798 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: There's no SDL for BF < 1244899807 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I could port it to CrainF**k if I was way too bored < 1244899814 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still cares for poor, neglected DOS < 1244899818 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION too < 1244899825 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even wanted to add a native BF interpreter to MegaZeux < 1244899829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I haven't bothered to get more than 3*2 gigabytes of storage space, and had trouble even with those three-megabyte .jpgs; the raw files are a bit too big for "let's take some 1300 snaps" vacation photograpy. < 1244899831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1244899832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1244899837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have around 300 photos < 1244899853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought a 4 GB memory card while up there in Kiruna < 1244899892 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get how to make logic stuff (AND, OR, XOR) run in BF < 1244899894 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz NOT, i know < 1244899901 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest, I know NOT < 1244899904 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er i mean < 1244899905 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1244899946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1244899956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, what do you mean < 1244899985 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, in fact I only had 2*2 GB with me, and had to buy a horribly overpriced 2 GB card from Sorrento, since I couldn't be bothered to leave the tourist-infested areas in search of a reasonable electronics/computer-stuff shop. < 1244900031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah... I went to one of the normal stores there. Since that town is not very tourist-y yet. That starts in 1-2 weeks < 1244900048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always prefer coming either before or after the most tourist intensive periods < 1244900175 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were a bit out-season too, but not enough. And Sorrento's really a tourist-only place. Oh well, the card was just three times the price it would've been in the local supermarket here at home. :p < 1244900210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth... < 1244900228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my camera decided to overlap some of the image filenames < 1244900231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between the cards < 1244900242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is set to give them ever-increasing sequential numbers < 1244900248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except here it overlapped 5 or so < 1244900252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :near the middle < 1244900261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so would be a PITA to correct. < 1244900324 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Off to go buy some food-supplies.) < 1244900340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1244900522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate USB 1.1 < 1244900811 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244901050 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make an esolang which has both digital and analog components < 1244901247 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244901268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Analyst: Dell should buy Palm < 1244901272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how random... < 1244901275 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.opera.com/freedom/ what now? :F < 1244901280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiamcahaven'tseenyouaroundETC < 1244901301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yah opera employees on reddit have been shifty about that < 1244901315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is probably bullshit < 1244901319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: what brings you here < 1244901321 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it's something stupid < 1244901337 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like new opera turbo < 1244901356 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some kind of cloud contraption < 1244901374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:36 oerjan: is there a reversible, turing complete CA? <-- almost certainly < 1244901374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1244901376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has been described < 1244901377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and used < 1244901381 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I have an interest in programming languages and particularly esoteric ones < 1244901390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:49 oerjan: what's BBM? < 1244901393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :billiard ball machine < 1244901399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:50 oerjan: oh, and with a reversible CA you _cannot_ get a machine that grows, unless it grows towards the past as well < 1244901403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm growing is reversible, no? < 1244901409 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :busy beaver? :> < 1244901425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saites = kerlo < 1244901426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he knows you were discussing bbm < 1244901426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1244901474 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :busy beavers are class of turing machines that run long sequences without going into cyclesAFAIR < 1244901475 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-152.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244901487 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Im also designing an esolang, so Im hoping to get help here when I get stuck < 1244901500 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: show us :F < 1244901510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:37 augur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCdbZqI1r7I < 1244901511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:38 augur: jeff hawkins doesnt understand why a universal turing machine is universal < 1244901520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because irreducibly complex flagella < 1244901527 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Show you what? < 1244901530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:02 augur: he says brains arent universal in turings sense < 1244901532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:02 augur: which is obviously false < 1244901532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehm < 1244901534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain doesn't have infinite tape < 1244901546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I cannot do long computations without the aid of extra memory eg paper < 1244901551 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: your dick :C < 1244901558 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: your esolang ofc < 1244901563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consciousnesses are not even FSM imo < 1244901564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe brains are < 1244901569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not our conscious thought process < 1244901596 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that'd mean you can build conscious machine < 1244901599 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: It is only in design stage so I have nothing to show presently < 1244901621 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could describe it briefly, i'm curious < 1244901656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:21 AnMaster: asiekierka, Some years ago I did game of life in a rpg game engine for Mac OS Classic (so won't run on Intel Macs iirc) < 1244901657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emulator < 1244901709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure. But also it was some shareware one iirc. < 1244901719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it was before I went FOSS < 1244901721 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that leopard can run binaries from PPC < 1244901733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244901735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosetta < 1244901738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no more Classic mode < 1244901745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could use a real full-hardware emulator < 1244901747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:59 nooga: ehird: that'd mean you can build conscious machine ← wat? < 1244901761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:55 nooga: or some kind of cloud contraption ← obvious from the logo < 1244901765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:56 amca: ehird: I have an interest in programming languages and particularly esoteric ones ← hi < 1244901769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:57 nooga: busy beavers are class of turing machines that run long sequences without going into cyclesAFAIR ← yes < 1244901772 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: consciousnesses are not even FSM imo < 1244901772 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: maybe brains are < 1244901792 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can build FSMs < 1244901794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: "that'd mean you can build conscious machine", what is the issue with this? < 1244901801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i completely think strong ai is possible < 1244901813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are just wetware running on crappy analog carbon computers < 1244901815 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: It is called minpostlisp, which is short for Minimal Postfix List Processor. It is a stack machine which only has conses and nils as data < 1244901841 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1244901855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: that film has john travolta. it must suck by definition < 1244901874 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like: reverse program string, interpret as lambda calculus < 1244901875 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? :> < 1244901911 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Nope. It is concatenative rather than applicative. < 1244901942 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any syntaxx examples yet? < 1244901944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.favbrowser.com/opera-freedom-mozilla-jetpack/ < 1244901945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it’s too early to speculate, especially when there is so little information revealed so far, we can still check few things while waiting. Lets begin with the logo. < 1244901947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, maybe they just like clouds. < 1244901949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahaha < 1244901963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can this moron say such things and not even know about the cloud computing hype < 1244901965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a dolt :) < 1244901971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY < 1244901977 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bollocks < 1244901984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: sounds ... well, ok, not interesting, but more unique than most stuff :P < 1244901993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check out underload for a concatenative tarpit. < 1244902020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Opera Turbo alone is groundbreaking for most of the world. Why are you quoting the notorious and obsessive Opera troll “nobody”? Why are you always 100% biased against Opera?]] < 1244902029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera fanboys, on the other hand, are eternally amusing. < 1244902062 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: They wont make any sense, as everthing is represented as conses and nulls. But, for example, the number one might be represented by ##-, where # represents nil, and - represents cons < 1244902062 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opera turbo is crap < 1244902077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: opera turbo is ok for things like shitty hotel/airport internet and mobile internet. < 1244902085 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine who would use a browser that mangles all images for 0.5s less loading time < 1244902088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a horrendous violation of privacy which they don't make clear, and the images look like shit < 1244902096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: 0.5 if you have an ok internet connection < 1244902107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mobile 3g = <50kb/s < 1244902109 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the privacy < 1244902116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :airport/hotel wifi = who the fuck knows < 1244902125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yah, that's bullshit, but your isp sees all your shit anyway < 1244902135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can't imagine doing much sensitive while using mobile internet < 1244902137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or w/e < 1244902149 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dl some weird porn and chat about weed on IM ;F < 1244902155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's crap but less crap for its intended use case. < 1244902165 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: underload? < 1244902170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: (note: me and nooga aren't exactly the usual sort of crowd here; this place is normally not this off-topic :p) < 1244902176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload < 1244902183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our wiki has everything! as long as oklopol didn't make it < 1244902283 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I like chat tangents :) I refer to the esolang wiki all the time for ideas etc :) < 1244902287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hex.alife.co.uk/diffusion/ ;; margolus, SWAP-on-DIAG: looks very demoscene < 1244902296 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep. Sorry for excessive smilies :) < 1244902298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very pretty cellular automata < 1244902306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: it's ok i'll cancel them out :( :( :( < 1244902321 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1244902439 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244902658 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played with CA some time < 1244902666 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for*\ < 1244903039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1244903044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you make BCT reversible, I wonder? < 1244903052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by marking the ip < 1244903075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bct is essentially a 1d ca < 1244903144 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244903151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1244903160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prog|data < 1244903161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in prog, < 1244903186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*0→in data, change *a into a* < 1244903224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1→x=next command; in data, if *1 instead of *0, add x to the end of the data < 1244903229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in each case, change *x in prog to x* < 1244903235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1244903240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*00111|*101 < 1244903241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes: < 1244903256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*00111|*101 < 1244903264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0*0111|1*01 < 1244903277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00*111|10*1 < 1244903292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :001*11|10*11 < 1244903298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1244903302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue here is cycling < 1244903308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm sure you could fix that < 1244903313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically bct except you never throw anything away. < 1244903327 0 :nooga_!n=nooga@abdj200.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1244903333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: hi < 1244903345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see my stuff about reversible bct? < 1244903346 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi :F < 1244903350 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1244903354 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244903359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, cycling isn't a problem, *a|b's previousness is a*|b < 1244903372 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my connection is flaky < 1244903377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: here < 1244903378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1244903390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.06.13 < 1244903392 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1244903399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: go to the bottom, start from "can you make BCT reversible, I wonder?" < 1244903415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: "→" is → < 1244903418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog messes the logs < 1244903462 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1244903530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, about idiosyncratic GUIs... I agree Hugin has one of those. But it isn't much worse than that of ufraw. Took a while to learn ufraw. And I still have to check docs sometimes. < 1244903599 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: let me think a while < 1244903611 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for* < 1244903614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I may soon be ready to show you the first picture... < 1244903624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Y'know, I'm not obligated. < 1244903630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa 36.9 MB tiff < 1244903634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1244903642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 16 bits per channel though < 1244903691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Is there any compression whatsoever on the images? < 1244903703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, deflate was used < 1244903706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiff supports that < 1244903713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: non-lossless < 1244903716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, lossy that is < 1244903720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from taking of picture to delivering < 1244903722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, deflate isn't lossy < 1244903733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, so far there has been no lossy compression < 1244903735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, but any lossiness at any other point? < 1244903739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1244903754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might just look then < 1244903757 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what images? < 1244903762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not yet. I might have to turn it into a jpg to be able to upload it. But that would be after all post-processing < 1244903769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, this is a bit too dark < 1244903774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to adjust curves < 1244903781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: KEEP THE ORIGINAL < 1244903786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I'm going to panorama-ise this < 1244903792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: he took some sort of images of his holiday and i'm making it as hard as possible for him to show me them. < 1244903793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need the high quality tiff < 1244903804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I'm going to save the mrws < 1244903807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the raw files < 1244903810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are smaller < 1244903813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around 11 MB each < 1244903821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is 12 bits per channel there < 1244903825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want gigabytes of stuff < 1244903829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like downloading gigabytes < 1244903834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for archival purposes. < 1244903869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh < 1244903890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just something about using terabytes of disk space that's fun. < 1244903927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i have something like 838GB of disk space around here < 1244903932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is wide-gamut atm.... (camera was set to use AdobeRGB, not sRGB)... So I need to use 16 bits all the way < 1244903936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mac 250GB, old pc 80+500GB, iphone 8GB < 1244903955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some in my 2004 ipod too i guess but i'm not gonna count everything < 1244903965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck my router has some flash memory :P < 1244904020 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Farewell" < 1244904136 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today some brit stopped me and asked for a way < 1244904166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the English term is "asking for directions", but I may be wrong. < 1244904178 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1244904199 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i said "no understands no no" < 1244904201 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:D:D < 1244904228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: YER DIRTY IMMIGRANT GET OUT OF THIS COUNTRY BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY 4EVA < 1244904293 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sitting in the capital of my cuntry and not going anywhere, especially THAT ISLAND < 1244904297 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::F < 1244904300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet is sooo slow < 1244904307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: Stop this cuntry! < 1244904550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. < 1244904686 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-111-15.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244905176 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::F < 1244905525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Man, the BNP and the UKIP. < 1244905546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I HATE CURRY!" and "I HATE THE CONTINENT!" < 1244905564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: UKIP's adverts have said things like "We are the only party supporting leaving the EU" and "Although our racist ideas are great, don't vote for extremist, racist parties, please." < 1244905570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My reaction: OK, I won't vote for UKIP then.) < 1244905582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're really desperate to avoid association with BNP. < 1244905592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, seriously. They're the only ones wanting to leave the EU? That's just a blatant lie. < 1244905595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go... < 1244905597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ufraw-batch --out-depth=16 --out-type=tiff --exif --zip --exposure=auto --wavelet-denoising-threshold=30 --temperature=5267 --green=1.023 --out-path=pano1 --create-id=also pict12{16..21}.mrw < 1244905601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes it works this time < 1244905608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time white balance just messed up < 1244905622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Never mind that leaving the EU is extremely dumb. < 1244905636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244905646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1244905651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the right will be stupid. < 1244905660 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm well < 1244905676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kinda impressed that your right-wing nutjobs make the US's seem sane. < 1244905684 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if EU is okay, i mean yeah it's cool to be part of the union < 1244905702 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes i feel that EU might bring something bad in future < 1244905736 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epecially that Polish government is a bunch of pussies < 1244905752 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244905755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the eu needs some reforms and shit buttt. < 1244905759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what? no < 1244905762 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should feel offended, nooga_ < 1244905766 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in fact, I agree with you < 1244905767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the US is the most right-wing country in the world < 1244905772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: he's polish himself you dolt. < 1244905777 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244905780 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is? < 1244905791 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no jestem przecież :D < 1244905795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That's because we've got right-wing and center. < 1244905807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What? Even your Democrats are right-wing. < 1244905826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, look at a scandinavian country and say you're center :p < 1244905833 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder which esolang didn't have a game made in it < 1244905842 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a game for Befunge? < 1244905843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was thinking of the smaller parties, like the Greens. :P < 1244905848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Most. < 1244905850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes. < 1244905852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life, wumpus, ... < 1244905858 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...In Befunge? < 1244905860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK, the greens are center. < 1244905866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Sure. One of the first programs. < 1244905868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-93 that is. < 1244905869 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUNT TEH WUMPUS < 1244905872 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1244905878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't think they depend on space behaviour < 1244905878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1244905879 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1244905880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess -98 too < 1244905890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: fungot is written in Befunge. < 1244905891 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: omfg my eyes cant believe what i think,no offence he's good! i was your vampire" performed by marilyn manson.its a instrumental but even democrats have a lying, and love the video, and i'll say again, quite unbelievable that you're arguing that this video < 1244905893 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Underloa---wait, you can't make a game in Underload < 1244905897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge http://catseye.tc/projects/befunge93/eg/wumpus.bf < 1244905898 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screwed up making caves. Trying again. < 1244905899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Yeh. < 1244905924 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make a game in Underload! < 1244905925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, < 1244905927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filename /mnt/oldgentoo/photos/2009_jun_8-13_kiruna/10290611/pano1/pict1216.tif < 1244905927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : width 3272 height 2456 < 1244905927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : reduce size to 1600 x 1201 < 1244905930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just said that < 1244905932 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would if not for that it doesn't have any input < 1244905936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any clue why it want to reduce the size < 1244905953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's an evil fucker that likes destroying information. < 1244905953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Anyways, I'm not saying we don't have more right-wingers, I'm saying your right-wing nutjobs are more right-wing than ours. ... Which is kinda scary. < 1244905967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm trying to create a panorama... < 1244905974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hope it will work :) < 1244905978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ehm.. The BNP and UKIP say things that are considered socialist in the US. < 1244905990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :National healthcare, etc. < 1244906001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, so they're national socialists. \o/ < 1244906001 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                           | < 1244906001 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                          /`\ < 1244906001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244906015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still one off < 1244906016 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nazi skinheads O_o < 1244906016 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1244906020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Shut up, nazism has nothing to do with socialism :P < 1244906031 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Does in name. < 1244906031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: No, not skinheads. But BNP's founder, eh, "Mein Kampf is my Bible." < 1244906033 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... But only in name. < 1244906038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: xactly. < 1244906060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hay letz vote for objectivist parties < 1244906061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: They're in favor of deporting non-English and stopping immigration. < 1244906079 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244906082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YO DAWG SO I HERD U LIEK FIGHTING YO DAWG SO I GAVE YOU CAPITALISM < 1244906095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO YOU CAN FIGHT YO DAWG WHILE YOU MAKE MONETARY TRANSACTIONS < 1244906115 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, tom green owns xzibit < 1244906164 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone make a game in Piet? < 1244906202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yanky telefone < 1244906233 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shiii < 1244906252 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my train departs at 05:45 < 1244906275 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the morning :E < 1244906292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: ouch < 1244906320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one day i slept at 3am and got up 6am and had to be on a train an hour or two later < 1244906324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not quite as bad < 1244906346 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still sleep in the train < 1244906356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't < 1244906363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: what time is it there? < 1244906373 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:19 < 1244906385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1244906597 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for a good esolang to make a game in < 1244906601 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where no-one has made on < 1244906601 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1244906606 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SADOL :D < 1244906615 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be trivial < 1244906625 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244906628 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is to not be trivial < 1244906633 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bwh < 1244906634 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like making a game in Brainf**k < 1244906637 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh* < 1244906664 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also deriatives of BF don't count < 1244906670 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does Malbolge < 1244906674 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any language without input < 1244906748 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercal? < 1244906783 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244906799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: been done < 1244906814 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1244906815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/intercal/ins/description.html < 1244906820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a cgi to boot < 1244906823 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any language with a game made in it already doesn't count < 1244906826 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUBE? < 1244906841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: you are so arbirary < 1244906844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary < 1244906865 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's impossible to determine whether a game has been made in a language by anyone... < 1244906871 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244906875 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only count the ones published < 1244906889 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones unpublished count NOT < 1244906902 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does, for example, "guess the number between 1 and 100" count as a game? < 1244906902 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I wonder why didn't any of you propose DOBELA xDDD < 1244906911 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a common programming exercise.. < 1244906911 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: See "Taking Over The World". < 1244906914 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that your definition of trivial seems to include all Turing-complete languages with input and output. < 1244906916 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a game that does exactly that. < 1244906931 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-123-155.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244906932 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not talking about a "derivative", as you've said < 1244906937 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace? < 1244906943 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: By "trivial" I mean "way easier than BF" < 1244906958 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: checking whitespace < 1244906965 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::@ < 1244906984 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you'll need syntax highlighting < 1244906995 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I will make a converter < 1244906997 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes his question was avoided < 1244907001 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i first input abc < 1244907006 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: that does not count < 1244907013 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I replace a with space, b with tab and c with lf < 1244907022 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: yes it does < 1244907030 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will count as cheating < 1244907041 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can write a syntax highlighting app that shows a space as a < 1244907043 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tab as b < 1244907046 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an lf as c < 1244907078 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be even more useful to show combinations of tabs and spaces as various characters < 1244907089 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cheating < 1244907099 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful. < 1244907105 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHEATING: D < 1244907115 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D for Dork? < 1244907116 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1244907206 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Choon? < 1244907210 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would be cool < 1244907214 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a game that you can listen to < 1244907236 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1244907244 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244907247 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK it doesn't have input < 1244907294 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pitty < 1244907307 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could code a guitar hero clone in choon < 1244907308 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244907316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you should buy one of those usb things that look at the ambient light and colour-collaborate the monitor automatically < 1244907316 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does not have input < 1244907318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right up your alley :P < 1244907406 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choon is cool < 1244907420 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :czun < 1244907425 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have a graphical language < 1244907427 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a musical language < 1244907433 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a text language (100's of THESE) < 1244907435 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a poetry language < 1244907439 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a recipe language < 1244907440 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else? < 1244907451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have considered that in fact. < 1244907462 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once i thought about a language in which programs would be extremely complicated curves < 1244907464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hahahaha < 1244907473 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: I planned something like that before < 1244907474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lemme guess, their accompanying software isn't gpl? :-) < 1244907484 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where direction changes (measured in degrees) would be commands < 1244907491 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost the specification and stuff though < 1244907496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually I didn't check the details enough yet. I just saw them mentioned. < 1244907507 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all in all it turned out that curve is just a representation of some simple sequence < 1244907508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I put it on the mental "check details" list. < 1244907518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most of them only support windows/mac < 1244907528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since all photographers use those :P < 1244907538 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: It couldn't go left, too < 1244907545 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you needed to use NOP commands to get back on track < 1244907546 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244907558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a music language whose loops repeat in the output < 1244907559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like [abc] < 1244907559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1244907569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[abc]abc]abc]abc]abc in the music output < 1244907576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your program loops have to sound musical < 1244907593 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1244907597 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found it!!! < 1244907603 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was called "Audioform" < 1244907619 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I even found the specifications AND links to example programs < 1244907620 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chloroform? < 1244907639 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Audioform < 1244907646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn parallax error < 1244907647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1244907651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't make a good panorama < 1244907724 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme find the equalivment in the #esoteric logs on tunes < 1244907735 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i go to party today's evening < 1244907759 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.04.05 < 1244907761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any idea why hugin decided to show one of the images upside down in the control point tab? < 1244907795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it was trying to use some birds that were flying in the auto control point thing, so I couldn't use that. < 1244907795 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244907800 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starts on 04:33:18 < 1244907810 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1244907815 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was both angle and length < 1244907824 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :angle could be anything from -90 to 90 degrees < 1244907828 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1244907829 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the code < 1244907841 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :length could be anything < 1244907851 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, going away < 1244907854 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asie[away] < 1244908079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you want to see this (screenshot, safe for work, but quite high TDW factor...) http://omploader.org/vMXRxdA < 1244908084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any idea about it? < 1244908092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "TDW factor"? < 1244908097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the stupidest thing I ever did heard. < 1244908098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Daily Wtf < 1244908102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1244908105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean "WTF factor". < 1244908123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Anyway, that image is indeed WTFy; it's bloody Raleigh theme! < 1244908126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And over-hinted text! < 1244908137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that would work too... But with TDW is quite WTF-y itself, it ends up meaning the same < 1244908155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ignoring that... what about one image being upside down < 1244908158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"with TDW is quite WTF-y itself" ← worst english of the year 2009 :) < 1244908169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, pfft, that's completely normal. i think < 1244908176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, s/with/due to/ < 1244908182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why is it normal? < 1244908186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and is→being < 1244908188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not. < 1244908194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"with TDW being quite WTF" < 1244908605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, s/with/what with/ would also work < 1244908615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yse. < 1244908616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1244908620 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244908711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No idea why it's upside-down; generally those things have to do with some sort of confusion in auto-rotating images based on the EXIF orientation tag. < 1244908750 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you choose wrong points for comparison < 1244908783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_, I didn't... autopano-sift-c did < 1244908791 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1244908804 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saft med skinka < 1244908824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it still upside-down even if you just "load images" and don't run the automagic point-finding? < 1244908834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm will try. < 1244908876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, np < 1244908877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no* < 1244908889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that's funny. < 1244908963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can run autopano-sift-c manually without that one image, open the generated .pto in Hugin, add that image-it-gets-confused-about and set up control points for it manually. (Or just skip the whole autopano-sift-c part, that's what I've been doing since I think it's rather fun to pick points.) < 1244908969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a really high dpi display < 1244908975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, about half of the images were upside down < 1244908977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be cool < 1244908997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not good photo weather: strong wind, raining... < 1244909011 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Oh. Heh, that's rather strange. Admittedly I don't have much experience with the automatic point-select-o-tron since I haven't really been using it. < 1244909032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway the autopano thing is useless... It tries to match birds too. Except the birds were flying. So their positions doesn't match between the photos < 1244909046 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, it doesn't have an AI in it. < 1244909078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, true. Would be useful to have some way to say "hey, don't look for control points here, it is birds or stuff that is moving between the pictures!" < 1244909083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to mark some area like that < 1244909099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you can edit & remove the points it selects manually, afterwards. (Though if it manages to turn images upside-down that's no good.) < 1244909105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's annoying? < 1244909114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't any resolutions defined above QSXGA - 2560x2048 < 1244909140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1244909142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is < 1244909145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to WHUXGA < 1244909147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7680x4800 < 1244909157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird 16:9 < 1244909178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1244909179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are "defined" digital-film resolutions too, though those really aren't that relevant. < 1244909188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's uh 8:6 maybe < 1244909190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1244909197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The 16:9 of that is 7680:4320. < 1244909205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is 4xHD. < 1244909209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that can support a resolution up to 7680 × 4800 pixels, assuming a 16:10 aspect ratio." < 1244909213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck 16:9 < 1244909223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHUXGA is 16:10. < 1244909227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WQSXGA 3200 × 2048 25:16 1.5625 6,553,600 < 1244909229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tha's nice < 1244909235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1244909235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHUXGA 7680 × 4800 8:5 1.6 36,864,000 < 1244909236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:10 = 8:5, which is would be rather unusual < 1244909239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia's list < 1244909243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1244909243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1244909248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 16:10 isn't unusual < 1244909251 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, 16:10 equals 8:5. < 1244909251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-widescreen is 16:12, by comparison < 1244909255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what most computer widescreen displays use < 1244909262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1920x1200 etc < 1244909262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, good point < 1244909265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one does too, I think < 1244909271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but saying it as 8:5? < 1244909273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird < 1244909282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WQUXGA 3840 × 2400 8:5 1.6 9,216,000 < 1244909282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? that's lowest temrs < 1244909283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1244909285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna get me some of that < 1244909288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people say 4:3 not 16:12 < 1244909288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because nobody says it that way < 1244909294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:10 is in analogy with 16:9 < 1244909304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody says 16:12! < 1244909306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16:10 < 1244909307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wp agrees < 1244909314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but 4:3 isn't directly related to another format < 1244909325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:10 is "widescreen tv with a bit more vertical space for computery stuff" < 1244909360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the movie-playing chrome THAT I DON'T HAVE! < 1244909374 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One can put subtitles there, though. < 1244909380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because monitors are just for TV. < 1244909387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never code. I do not have toolbars. I never overlap windows. < 1244909388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: True. < 1244909390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have menus or task bars. < 1244909401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My eyes are slits that cannot move up or down. < 1244909406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verily, 16:9 is appropriate for me. < 1244909410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For anyone sane, though, 16:10 < 1244909411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s nice. < 1244909451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, all 50 pixels make *all* the difference, and justify making an aspect ratio different from everything else. < 1244909454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Right*. < 1244909468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Different from everything else ... except most widescreen computer displays. < 1244909472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, tiny market, that. < 1244909485 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, I never liked widescreen, I'll stick to my 4:3 < 1244909487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Fact is, 16:9 is just too wide and not tall enough for comfortable computer usage. < 1244909498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:10's a sweet spot. < 1244909540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8:10 is a good shape for a text editor, I think < 1244909542 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is shocked that 1/4" is a big difference between "too wide!!!" and "sweet spot". < 1244909547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally set Emacs to tile two files side by side < 1244909554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: psychologically, yes. < 1244909559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the panorama is much much better now < 1244909562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the golden ratio! For everything! < 1244909572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still one huge mismatch < 1244909574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but way fewer < 1244909577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give us our 1:1.6180339887 screens! < 1244909590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be 16:just less than 10 < 1244909594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know where the "50 pixels" comes from; for the "normal" resolution it's the difference between 1080 lines and 1200 lines, which is 120 pixels; that's not much either, but it's not completely trivial. < 1244909619 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rather like 1920x1200 because it has the same height as 1600x1200 but you can still stick 1080p video on it without too much worrying. < 1244909621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32" tall 20" wide displays would be the golden ratio < 1244909623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is ridiculous < 1244909624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1244909628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 1600x1200 isn't much used. < 1244909633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1600x1050 is more common. < 1244909664 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1600x1200 is what used to be the sensible 20" 4:3 TFT size. < 1244909669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244909685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you may want to look at http://omploader.org/vMXRxdA (safe for work and worked around the issue, but quite funny, the points were placed with the "auto" feature) < 1244909698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you know that the gnome UI guidelines actually tell you to keep a window size ratio of approximately 1:φ? < 1244909706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you keep saying safe for work; when do we get the pornoramas? < 1244909719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I didn't know that < 1244909729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're rather OCD :) < 1244909743 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Actually I don't think it matters *that* much that it's upside-down. The points themselves look more or less sensible (from a quick glance) so the position-optimizer would've just turned it around when composing the actual panorama. < 1244909757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ... the panorama... as soon as it looks good. Currently working on fixing a sharp edge at one place < 1244909764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Pornorama. < 1244909769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you keep noting every image is SFW. < 1244909772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I saw and ignored < 1244909780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only deduce that there must be some images you will post that are not SFW. < 1244909803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh, actually it is just that you seem to distrust that upload site < 1244909824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main reasons I use it are: 1) any file format 2) no login 3) handy command line tool. < 1244909835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Can you blame me, though? < 1244909835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it seems to work much better once I removed the points it placed on the birds, and added some on the mountains < 1244909836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: Why? < 1244909836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: Omploader was originally created to become the ultimate shock site hosting service by Brenden Matthews and David Shakaryan < 1244909841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently it get mountains wrong < 1244909845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc their hotlinking image is either a shock one or "I'M GAY" or something < 1244909858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://omploader.org/gay.png < 1244909862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"YOU ARE GAY, LOLS!" < 1244909875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it doesn't exactly reek of professionalism and a haven of technical images. < 1244909927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you fine tune the horizon and such, you mentioned something about it. < 1244909929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find where < 1244910116 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahha < 1244910129 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i encoutered a gay pride parade < 1244910165 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There's some sort of very unintuitive thing in the "preview panorama" window. I'm not sure how it works; there's some automatic thing, and then you can click with left and right buttons at the image and it does some sort of rotations and translations. < 1244910179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, uh... < 1244910189 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, if you then click "optimize" again it loses those twiddlings. It's a bit strange. < 1244910265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you're supposed to left-click on the center of the image, and then right-click any point on the horizon, and it'll rotate it so that it is straight. < 1244910268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, http://omploader.org/vMXRxdw < 1244910275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, one major issue left there < 1244910285 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you have actually wavy horizon (and not just tilted one) you'll probably need to add some horizontal-line control points or something. < 1244910296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and yes, I have mountains < 1244910297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: those clouds aren't in line < 1244910302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the colours don't match < 1244910303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, agreed < 1244910304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first change < 1244910306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome :P < 1244910310 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I mean wavy-horizon that you don't want to straighten. < 1244910311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh and the last change < 1244910313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is totally off. < 1244910318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1244910319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second-last < 1244910326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last one needs some colour fixing < 1244910331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes that is the main issue I mean atm < 1244910336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sharp edge < 1244910339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244910344 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also just the preview window; the actual panorama will not look like that, I think. < 1244910352 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it does quite a lot more math in blending, optimizes seams and so on. < 1244910361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how useless... < 1244910385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so should I export, then check if the last seam actually looks good instead? < 1244910386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes quite some time to compute the final result, that preview is just that you can see how it arranges the source pictures there. < 1244910395 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess it should show the exposure-fixups and such there too. < 1244910416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the colour difference doesn't show on this monitor < 1244910421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can't do much about it < 1244910429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is a sucky monitor < 1244910436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I see one place < 1244910443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, it's really bad < 1244910444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first and second pic < 1244910447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very noticable < 1244910450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244910454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less so on the last one < 1244910455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but < 1244910460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: second left is bluey < 1244910460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, between first and second there is a color issue yes < 1244910464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the previous one is purpley < 1244910476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second-last-to-last... the last is more purpley/pinky too, than the second-to-last < 1244910480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is a place to fix it up < 1244910486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want to get positions right first < 1244910499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1244910504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:26 fizzie: It takes quite some time to compute the final result, that preview is just that you can see how it arranges the source pictures there. < 1244910504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:26 fizzie: And I guess it should show the exposure-fixups and such there too. < 1244910511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1244910547 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm also mostly away; got the food supplies bought but now I need to prepare and consume them. Actually you're making me burn them with all this talk.) < 1244910553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I did try to tune them after each other by setting the same white balance for all. Since time delta between them were about 4-5 seconds < 1244910644 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more overlap you have, the better result that final stitcher-tool can do, too. I think I used about 10-20 source images mostly. < 1244910682 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, really, away!) < 1244910705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: COME BACK < 1244911627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah, couldn't take that many there < 1244911636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad weather + too slow memory card < 1244911656 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, came back. < 1244911673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Precondition violation! < 1244911674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BasicImage::upperLeft(): image must have non-zero size. < 1244911674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1244911676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1244911686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I haven't seen anything like that. < 1244911697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it segfaulted afterwards < 1244911721 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244911734 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange. Is this the stable 0.7 or the 0.8 release-candidate? :p < 1244911740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the former < 1244911748 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, even stranger. < 1244911769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did manage to open tiff after I upgraded exiv2 from 0.18.0 to 0.18.1 < 1244911865 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of hugin, I did a couple of perspective-correction tests with it too. http://zem.fi/g2/d/7368-2/p1030278.jpg -> http://zem.fi/g2/d/7733-2/mosaic-2-perspective.jpg and http://zem.fi/g2/d/7401-2/p1030297.jpg -> http://zem.fi/g2/d/7736-2/paintings-perspective.jpg < 1244911878 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for the ugly URLs. < 1244911904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lol@fat people < 1244911973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think the reason for the issue with the last panel is parallax issues < 1244912064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was dicking around with sum OpenGL programming, and I figured I'd try to determine my polygon 'budget' as it were. On my computer with a 2.4ghz P4 and a 128mb 6600gt, I imported a 375,000 polygon model and drew it using a vertex array compiled display list at a massive 10fps. When I ran the exact same program on a new computer with a phenom x3 720 and a 1gb 4890, it ran at 600+fps. I can only assume this is due to the 128mb of the 6600gt being inade < 1244912066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quate to entirely contain the 375,000 polygons. < 1244912069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with an old p4 and the 6600gt, my old computer was able to adequately play Oblivion, which I'm sure has more polygons than that stuck in graphics memory at a given time, so what gives? < 1244912072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— /prog/ < 1244912132 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-111-15.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244912176 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244912188 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. I tried to take one linear-panorama thing of the Capri coast when in a boat sliding past it, but since there was so much depth the parallaxy effects made it pretty much impossible. There's a tutorial for making linear panoramas from things like walls and such in Hugin, but it doesn't (and can't) really work when there are things in the picture at multiple distances. < 1244912192 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-80.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1244912204 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-111-15.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244912617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if you hooked up a gps to the camera, couldn't you build some sort of stereo-image using such photos? < 1244912782 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the positional resolution is good enough, I guess. Wasn't there that 3D stockholm that was built from aerial photographs with good-enough location information? < 1244912843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1244912844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1244912853 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just seen still pics (I guess it needs a Java plugin in the browser) but it looked reasonably interesting. < 1244912878 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messy but interesting. < 1244913252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, link? < 1244913294 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the one they talk about in http://www.ogleearth.com/2008/05/see_a_3d_map_of.html < 1244913314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The melting-buildings style is artsy. :p < 1244913731 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::F < 1244913757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the persistence of cities? < 1244913819 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1244913983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1244913994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ convert pict1219.tif -channel R -separate red.tif < 1244913995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file *** glibc detected *** convert: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x00000000023c9ef0 *** < 1244913995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :======= Backtrace: ========= < 1244913997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1244914008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=c+%2F+3.3+GHz&aq=f&oq=&aqi= < 1244914017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think of a way to split 16 bit images by channel if not this < 1244914022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Light travels only 9 centimeters in one clock cycle of an i7 975 XE. < 1244914077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The highest clock x86, iirc, was an AMD Phenom II X4 @ 6.5GHz, liquid helium cooled. < 1244914084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Light travels 4.6cm in one of its clock cycles. < 1244914091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh... < 1244914102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of put things in a perspective... < 1244914130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 GHz = light travels 1cm in a clock cycl < 1244914131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1244914139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty amazing how fast stuff is < 1244914145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -fast Increase speed for slow devices < 1244914148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting option < 1244914151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how it works < 1244914160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is from man exiftool < 1244914233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it < 1244914658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... 1455895040 I think we have a big/little endian messup < 1244914690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what tool to use to convert it < 1244914745 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try i < 1244914754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i? < 1244914758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no such tool here < 1244914762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: i: command not found < 1244914768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I used erlang to do it < 1244914774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't a simple messup like that < 1244915608 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any number less than 2 billion (and greater than 0, for signedness) has no endian problem :P < 1244915779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, it might be 16-bity < 1244915780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit* < 1244915783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1244915789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 64-bit < 1244915811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I seriously have no clue. Just that exiv2 somehow messed up the EXIF values < 1244915860 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16-bit can't get that high, and 64-bit that is most CERTAINLY not an endianness error, the first four bytes are 0! < 1244915881 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244916082 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's what I use to convert endianness in dobelx64's makefile: printf "0: %016x" $n | xxd -r | od -vAn -tdL < 1244916106 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1244916181 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The full snippet to go from integer to binary with flipped endianness: printf "0: %016x" $$sz | xxd -r | od -vAn -tdL | xargs printf "0: %016x" | xxd -r < 1244916344 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244916364 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@81-224-42-23-no80.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244916533 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eglQ-S0MPkE < 1244916542 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1244917159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you mean: <> = <> ? ;P < 1244917216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, I mean something that can be done without non-POSIX dependencies :-P < 1244917414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1244917430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, is this "xxd" really POSIX? < 1244917451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders about sorting algorithms in Rube < 1244917464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1244917470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, xxd isn't POSIX < 1244917473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fail < 1244917540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :od is posix. < 1244917771 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't? Darn. < 1244917775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, but not xxd < 1244917777 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, challenge: make it POSIX. < 1244917786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: od < 1244917797 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I already use od. < 1244917802 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me how to use it better. < 1244917803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: od can replace xxd. < 1244917815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I would try to, if I knew what xxd did < 1244917819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have xxd here < 1244917820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no idea < 1244917822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexdump. < 1244917830 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There, it reads a hexdump and translates it to the binary. < 1244917834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your system isn't posix < 1244917837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it doesn't have vi(1). < 1244917841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it does < 1244917846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said it didn't < 1244917850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it symlinked to busybox vi < 1244917853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it didn't < 1244917859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does since a few months < 1244917868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1244917886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly for people sshing in < 1244917887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, since you complained so much. < 1244917898 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could've sworn that xxd was part of coreutils or something, meh. < 1244917899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally use vi at the other end of an ssh link < 1244917915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I tend to use nano or emacs then < 1244917919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on what I edit < 1244917920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because you're obsessive-compulsive about everything being posix and no non-posix systems being allowed. < 1244917928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can you rely on emacs being at the other end of the link? < 1244917933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no. Just to make you shut up < 1244917938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays you can normally rely on nano, except on embedded systems < 1244917939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it didn't work though < 1244917949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I complained because you're obsessive-compulsive about everything being posix and no non-posix systems being allowed. < 1244917955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading comprehension failure. < 1244917982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what you said could be interpreted more than one way. < 1244917987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1244917994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. One of those ways is retarded and nonsensical, the other is not. < 1244917998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time on human communication! < 1244918006 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're missing the point here, guys: do xxd -r with od < 1244918023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: just use sed. < 1244918027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tc and ioc < 1244918031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(io complete) < 1244918125 0 :asie[away]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1244918137 0 :asie[away]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierka < 1244918161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Deewiant: awk is too < 1244918166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is POSIX as well < 1244918189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed is nicer < 1244918202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends on what you are doing < 1244918209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect awk may be nicer in this case < 1244918212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I may be wrong < 1244918444 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244918530 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colloquy sucks. I just switched to LimeChat 1.0, and it feels great. < 1244918566 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: How do I sed [0-9]+ to the equivalent binary < 1244918610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: something like (perl) s/[0-9]{8}/eval "\"\\$0"\"/e < 1244918623 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl isn't sed. < 1244918663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 'Twas example. < 1244918672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Anyway, a C compiler is posix. < 1244918674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use one of them. < 1244918715 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some reason you want it sed < 1244918725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :posix < 1244918734 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to depend on C :-/ < 1244918761 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw someone write "tr 'x' 'y'|tr 'z' 'a'|tr 'f' 'b'...." < 1244918761 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone depends on C. < 1244918767 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was like wtf < 1244918795 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I thought you just wanted to do it with sed just so you can figure out how (not to make a real program) < 1244918830 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Only incidentally. < 1244918971 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented esolangs for calling itself recursively, time travel, queues to references to queues, dividing by zero, programs running by continuous equations, code golfing, and many others. < 1244919032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1244919034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you did. < 1244919036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now how's that relevant? < 1244919063 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to know what kind of thing you invented too. < 1244919077 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Q-Ref turing complete? I think it probably is because it can emulate cyclig tag < 1244919148 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, does Burro really form a group if the reverse of conditions cannot be used by itself? < 1244919166 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Revaver2pi is definitely a group if you don't use commands with exclamation mark < 1244919194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bc is POSIX (though I'm not sure if the "ibase=" thing is defined there), so you can use a prettified form of: echo -e "ibase=16\n"`printf "%016X" 12345 | rev | sed -e 's/\(.\)\(.\)/\2\1/'` | bc to do endian-reversal. ... except that actually rev doesn't seem to be POSIX. Oh well. < 1244919235 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so you want it POSIX compliant < 1244919277 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So how do I go 8-byte integer -> 8 bytes < 1244919295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you wanted that too. < 1244919304 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs to be binary so I can give it to dd. < 1244919323 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd/sh is good enough to write programs in < 1244919327 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had something, but can't remember. Our sauna-time starts in five minutes, so no luck there. < 1244919373 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: tac is POSIX, isn't it? < 1244919417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed | tac = rev < 1244919422 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correction < 1244919425 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed | tac | sed = rev < 1244919448 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented meta-complex numbers. A rank 2 meta-complex number can be represented by tensor multiplying matrix representation of two complex numbers. < 1244919485 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rank2 meta-complex has 4 parts, realreal, realimaginary, imaginaryreal, and imaginaryimaginary. < 1244919496 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those can be the numbers at the top row of the matrix < 1244919531 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And meta-complex numbers are commutative. < 1244919540 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what /is/ a meta-complex number < 1244919550 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than a 2x2 matrix < 1244919555 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just explained what it is, isn't it? < 1244919558 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you didn't < 1244919563 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said what it can be represented as < 1244919592 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is that equivalent to C^4, for rank 2? < 1244919600 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where C is a set of complex number, of course. < 1244919605 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like complex numbers can be represented by a 2x2 matrix of reals a+bi --> [a,b;-b,a] then meta-complex numbers can be represented by matrix of real numbers, according to the rank of meta-complex numbers. < 1244919650 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is... that commutative? < 1244919672 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meta-complex numbers of any rank are commutative < 1244919689 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of rank 0 it is just like real numbers, of rank 1 it is just like complex numbers. < 1244919699 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have proven it is commutative < 1244919736 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: aren't they represented as matrix? so you mean its multiplication IS NOT EQUAL TO matrix multiplication? < 1244919780 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, I have figured out, that as well as transposing a matrix represent a complex number to conjugate it, doing [0,1;1,0]x[0,1;1,0] where x is the representation of complex number, also works < 1244919812 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, their multiplication is matrix multiplication when they are represented as a matrix. And, because of the way the numbers are arranged int he matrix, it happens to be commutative. < 1244919823 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it if you want to. < 1244919922 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a+bi and c+di are two complex numbers and you are tensor multiplying to make a meta-complex number of rank 2, then ac is the realreal part, ad is the realimaginary part, bc is the imaginaryreal part, and bd is the imaginaryimaginary part. < 1244919956 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result matrix is [ac,ad,bc,bd;-ad,ac,-bd,bc;-bc,-bd,ac,ad;bd,-bc,-ad,ac] < 1244919959 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1244919959 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1244919986 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rank 3 meta-complex number can then be represented as a 8x8 matrix < 1244919997 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244919997 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1244920076 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that's how meta-complex numbers work. < 1244920226 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can figure out square-roots and stuff just like complex numbers. If the realimaginary part is 1 and the rest are 0 then you can still square it to get negative one (you can try it) < 1244920287 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also get -1 if the imaginaryreal part is 1 instead < 1244920340 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the imaginaryimaginary part is 1 and you square it, you get positive one. < 1244920358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how many nth roots does 1 have? < 1244920410 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unsure because I haven't checked. < 1244920440 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is a good question anyways. < 1244920492 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to find an excuse to write a library called liboveslave. So you link to it by typing -loveslave < 1244920543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: liburk < 1244920548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liboser < 1244920553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libuck < 1244920556 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously meta-complex numbers do not have the application of quaternions and such things as that, but you might use it for different kind of ideas < 1244920558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libittle < 1244920564 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libib < 1244920587 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libinux < 1244920589 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libube < 1244920599 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libol < 1244920650 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libollipop < 1244920653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libook < 1244920663 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libunge < 1244920673 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libung < 1244920715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libduck < 1244920716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lduck! < 1244920716 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we done with s/^l/lib/'ing? < 1244920723 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: No < 1244920743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libbutt < 1244920763 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libibrary. < 1244920774 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libifthrasiir < 1244920780 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah. < 1244920784 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libament < 1244920789 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libigament < 1244920791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libeonidas < 1244920794 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, is there libiberty already? :p < 1244920799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244920802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu guys made it :P < 1244920808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libobotomy < 1244920809 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liback < 1244920816 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1244920818 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libobotomy < 1244920820 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making it < 1244920822 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lib_ < 1244920833 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lib\ < 1244920839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: :D < 1244920852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: libottleinfrontofme < 1244920870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lottle? < 1244920878 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libittle < 1244920913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." < 1244920941 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1244920945 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libink_no_libraries < 1244920953 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1244920976 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libol. < 1244920978 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-lol < 1244920979 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libosing_my_mind < 1244920983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: GregorR said that before < 1244920994 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it last < 1244920997 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, somebody else did. < 1244920999 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Deewiant < 1244921002 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh, that was Deewiant... anyway. < 1244921002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kay ;P < 1244921003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1244921020 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of a library that looks like a command to gcc, like libink_no_libraries < 1244921035 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libess_optimization < 1244921046 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap, I was just typing that X-D < 1244921048 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even s/ess/east/ < 1244921064 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lib0 < 1244921071 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess s/_/-/g to make it look more like a typical option < 1244921111 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or libicense-gpl, libicense-mit, libicense-bsd, ... < 1244921120 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you could use ldd to tell you if there are licensing problems :P < 1244921121 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libicense-proprietary < 1244921125 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1244921130 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once thought of lib-, for -l-, and suddenly the idea of palindrome shell program popped from my mind... < 1244921152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without cheating and using comments? < 1244921155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: echo 'easy'#'ysae' ohce < 1244921155 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libdd < 1244921158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 :P < 1244921161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1244921163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liblllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll < 1244921164 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libd < 1244921164 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libicense-free. < 1244921167 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ld -ld < 1244921168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll < 1244921175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lib ' < 1244921181 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lawl < 1244921182 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: huh, how many l's? < 1244921186 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's what I was going for with lib\ < 1244921190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: A load of them. < 1244921193 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libimit-utility < 1244921211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"libook, I'm sorry about your program, okay?" < 1244921213 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you should symbolic-link libl.so to libll.so, liblll.so, libllll.so and so on. :p < 1244921219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Said by Pratchett's Librarian, clearly.) < 1244921241 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonono, you have a bunch of libraries libl, libll, liblll, each of which is linked to the previous one. < 1244921246 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So -lllll implies -llll, -lll, -ll < 1244921270 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: symbolic link fail! (by the way, is there any limit on link recursion?) < 1244921275 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libame-warnings < 1244921277 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and yes, i meant that < 1244921289 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: No, not SYMBOLIC link. < 1244921291 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: LINK < 1244921293 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244921299 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Like gcc -ll foo.c -o libll < 1244921302 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.so < 1244921315 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good. < 1244921329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lib nanoreplicator.c" < 1244921343 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lib -pedantic" < 1244921365 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: lol < 1244921380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-libol < 1244921382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*libol < 1244921394 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lib -Wnone" < 1244921405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just did some type system hackery. < 1244921406 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liboch-lomond < 1244921408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All in a day's work of Haskell < 1244921427 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liboch-ness < 1244921431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lib < 1244921439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't know any filesystems which allow NUL in filenames < 1244921479 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libiquid-cooled-optimizations < 1244921489 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libava-lamp < 1244921548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they should all allow them < 1244921549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid C < 1244921555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I want to use / in a filename often < 1244921560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of songs are named with a / in them, for instanc < 1244921560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1244921564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even bffs allows spaces in filenames < 1244921568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it does allow slashes < 1244921570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :traditional unix filesystems suck. < 1244921572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*allows NUL in filenames < 1244921579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, I could deal with just nul < 1244921582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use nul as a separator < 1244921589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1244921589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc command line tools will have a syntax < 1244921592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could escape it < 1244921594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFFS doesn't have directories at al < 1244921597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*all < 1244921597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, you don't need any sort of separator < 1244921602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a data structure < 1244921611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should go Cyclexa-style < 1244921617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have separators that aren't in the character set < 1244921626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the sun just came out really hot < 1244921630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that happen < 1244921633 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libinked-lists-instead-of-arrays < 1244921635 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libemon-curry? < 1244921642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Cyclexa you can enter codes like \F which don't correspond to any character at all, but can be matched anyway < 1244921723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Deewiant: lifthrasiir: ais523: http://pastie.org/510863.txt?key=jmluhbl366cxr7po3bna < 1244921727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thread over < 1244921749 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep '^l' /usr/dict/words | sed s/l/lib/ ? < 1244921769 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't contain libemon-curry and hence is WORTHLESS < 1244921775 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... < 1244921778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: grep '^[lL]' /usr/share/dict/words|sed 's/^[lL]/lib/'|e < 1244921797 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|e ? < 1244921811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: textmate editor. < 1244921817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my alias. < 1244921858 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph, heavy rain warning < 1244921866 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over 20mm an hour < 1244921891 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but -lemon-curry actually means WITHOUT lemon curry, so we have to add some meaning to hyphen < 1244921915 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libike? < 1244921917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: without? how? < 1244921927 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: - instead of +, I imagine < 1244921936 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: like search engine. :p < 1244921953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1244921962 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well but that'd be irrelevant since all other options use -... no, forget it. < 1244921963 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-171-202-185.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244921970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, why/when was the usage of + for switches abandoned? < 1244921973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: it means lemon but not curry < 1244921973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244921979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gnu. < 1244921988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu invented it? or abandoned it? < 1244921995 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abandoned it. < 1244921995 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ha! < 1244922001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know why? < 1244922014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: -- < 1244922026 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ++ < 1244922031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244922039 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point being, that's not a good reason :-P < 1244922206 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to write libemon-curry? now. < 1244922216 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, everybody stopped putting the important '?' there. < 1244922219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would it do? < 1244922228 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ?? < 1244922232 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, print random Monty Python quotes to stderr? < 1244922304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a library? < 1244922309 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc hello.c -lemon-curry? -o hello; ./hello < 1244922349 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libemon&&curry? < 1244922538 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244922561 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244922596 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libaw-breaking-algorithms < 1244922732 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244922786 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244922816 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244922883 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244922899 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244922949 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244922965 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244923006 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244923021 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244923222 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some glorious disconnecting and reconnecting. < 1244923361 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"What are you sinking about?" < 1244923741 0 :Microsoft!n=RawIRC@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244923745 0 :Microsoft!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I do with this nick? < 1244923779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft: Troll. < 1244923790 0 :Microsoft!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well obviously. < 1244923794 0 :Microsoft!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But troll /what/? < 1244923808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#csharp < 1244923810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it exists < 1244923816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: #c#. < 1244923817 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#c# < 1244923819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft: ##windows < 1244923819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244923826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wow, you're /identified/ < 1244923829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: redirects to ##csharp < 1244923862 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1244923869 0 :Microsoft!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, this is /my/ nick. < 1244923871 0 :tetha!n=hk@pD9EE5CE7.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244923881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders who ghosted tetha < 1244923887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was nobody here with a remotely similar nick... < 1244923926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha < 1244923928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably < 1244923934 0 :Microsoft!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can ghost myself! < 1244923950 0 :Microsoft!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::NickServ!NickServ@services. NOTICE Microsoft :You may not ghost yourself. < 1244923953 0 :Microsoft!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not. < 1244923968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what Microsoft's old nick was < 1244923975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: GregorR. < 1244923978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RawIRC < 1244923982 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mick McMicrosoft < 1244923983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aha < 1244923984 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1244923989 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :IBM < 1244923996 0 :IBM!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's registered? wtf < 1244924007 0 :IBM!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Nintendo < 1244924009 0 :Microsoft!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Oracle < 1244924012 0 :Nintendo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one's ALSO registered < 1244924014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick InternationalBusinessMachines < 1244924022 0 :Oracle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, I'm from Sun Microsystems. < 1244924025 0 :Nintendo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1244924045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Microsoft is now known as Oracle. < 1244924046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1244924051 0 :Oracle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to eat a larger and more influential company. < 1244924069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick Apple < 1244924085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Buy the new iMac. Starting at $4,382,381. < 1244924093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a solo-core 1GHz processor and 512MB of RAM. < 1244924094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, it comes with a five-nines SLA < 1244924099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comes with an integrated 19" screen. < 1244924110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple: leading the way in 2009. < 1244924129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Six nines is cooler. < 1244924132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :31 seconds of downtime a year. < 1244924180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Seven nines = 3.15 seconds. < 1244924181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost pi. < 1244924190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're really hardcore, eight nines. < 1244924193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.3s/year. < 1244924204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 6ms a week. < 1244924204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we manage 9.9999999999% uptime! < 1244924211 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1244924221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stole that joke from someone on Slashdot < 1244924231 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 nines of uptime, all after the decimal point < 1244924235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think six nines is totally possible though < 1244924237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barring nuclear fallout < 1244924248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :31s/year? sure, i can give you that, it'll just cost through the roof. < 1244924254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, did you know that fibre-optic cables are really vulnerable to nuclear explosions? < 1244924256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1244924263 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not 100% < 1244924270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a reasonably ok panorama now. Generating the tile < 1244924272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file* < 1244924274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're affected from miles and miles and miles away < 1244924277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well, I can get 100% barring mistakes < 1244924282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everyone makes mistakes < 1244924289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember Slicehost talking about SLAs < 1244924295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two things before ehird complains: 1) first time I do this 2) there is parallax error in the input, nothing I can do about it. < 1244924305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :companies saying that they can manage 99.999% barring (list of everything that might go wrong) < 1244924314 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You think you can fix a year's worth of your mistakes in 31 seconds? :-P < 1244924335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I didn't say that. I said that I think I can keep servers up for a year minus 31 seconds continuously. < 1244924351 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and you said the cause of that minus 31 is mistakes < 1244924359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1244924363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said that 100% is impossible < 1244924366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it requires infallability < 1244924372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : bc is POSIX (though I'm not sure if the "ibase=" thing is defined there), so you can use a prettified form of: echo -e "ibase=16\n"`printf "%016X" 12345 | rev | sed -e 's/\(.\)\(.\)/\2\1/'` | bc to do endian-reversal. ... except that actually rev doesn't seem to be POSIX. Oh well. <-- isn't dc POSIX though? < 1244924415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it'd involve having a data center in every continent. < 1244924424 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: And the year minus 31 seconds also does, unless those 31 seconds include mistakes. < 1244924427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even antarctica? < 1244924432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, no. < 1244924463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half running openbsd, half running some other stable secure OS < 1244924482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each containing a complete mirror, on a gigantic RAID-1 per server, of all the data < 1244924497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with two separate sets of hardware configurations < 1244924510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that if there's an issue with hw or os or both, we're covered < 1244924534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 50 dedicated load balancers per data center < 1244924536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more < 1244924548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all plugged in to massively-redundant, UPSed-up-the-wazoo power supplies < 1244924563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with two internet connections from different companies < 1244924568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(per data center) < 1244924584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all systems configured for a security by denying everything and manually allowing individual tiny bits < 1244924597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all software in operation written in a provably-correct language, and proven correct < 1244924604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an ultra-stable compiler — say, compiling to ada < 1244924616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Deewiant: ...with all of this, I'm pretty sure you could manage 31s/year. < 1244924655 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I maintain that 31s isn't enough to notice and correct mistakes < 1244924670 0 :Petalon!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Kolonai < 1244924688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1244924690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1244924696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I can't even think of a situation where there'd be an error. We're talking space-shuttle-controller levels of attention to detail here. < 1244924698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fused it correctly in final version < 1244924711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most you could do with such a restricted-permissions system is maybe kick out a few servers. < 1244924715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would do nothing. < 1244924718 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: So then, why not 100%. :-P < 1244924723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ass-covering. < 1244924730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: most likely error in that situation is one of the servers failing, and you turning off the ones that work rather than the one that doesn't, to fix it < 1244924731 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either you have to convince me that it's 0s or that it's more than 31s < 1244924739 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything in between seems just weird < 1244924755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you can stock up the SLA over the course of years < 1244924757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How? Also, multiple data centers, remember? < 1244924764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do a 5-minute fix once every decade < 1244924769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could take out one data center through colossal incompetence, I guess. < 1244924774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all of them? < 1244924779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 minutes is long enough to reboot < 1244924798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I assume you would dislike an 81 MB large image? < 1244924814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a deflate-compressed 16-bits-per-channel TIFf < 1244924816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIFF* < 1244924828 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider PNGizing it or something < 1244924829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :panorama from north Sweden < 1244924832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Gimme. < 1244924832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get why you'd send me one of those in the first place, really < 1244924839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and deflate? on an image? < 1244924841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1244924848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Because otherwise it's gigantic? < 1244924849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um... you know png uses deflate too? < 1244924852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIFF supports deflate. < 1244924855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244924871 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIFF is always huge, though :-P < 1244924892 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1244924893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIMP: < 1244924896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warning: < 1244924896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The image you are loading has 16 bits per channel. GIMP can only handle 8 bit, so it will be converted for you. Information will be lost because of this conversion." < 1244924910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are working on it < 1244924918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, 48-bit colour is surely far too much < 1244924933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit if you added alpha! < 1244924940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it does have alpha < 1244924950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for where there is no panorama data < 1244924954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ag < 1244924955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ah < 1244924961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering how a photo could have alpha... < 1244924967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so how do you take out multiple of those datacenters at once? < 1244924968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and yes it is too much. The camera produces 12 bits per channel < 1244924970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the raw image < 1244925001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but that is, like, highly annoying to work with outside the raw format for the specific camera! < 1244925019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $(declareMessage Client "HAVER" ["useragent", "extensions"]) < 1244925019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $(declareMessage Server "HAVER" ["hostname", "serveragent", "extensions"]) < 1244925021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lah de dah < 1244925029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskoli < 1244925146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is 5.5 MB acceptable? < 1244925165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe 4.6 < 1244925175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't get why you're asking if an image size is acceptable, when I didn't ask for the image in the first place < 1244925187 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244925203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think you would like it. No human activity visible for miles around. < 1244925229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually there was, just out of the picture (my backpack) < 1244925246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the canoe too, not visible in the pic either < 1244925314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know what's come over him either. < 1244925322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just pretend to download his photos. < 1244925336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hey, if fizzie can show his panoramas I don't see why I can't! < 1244925349 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget --delete-after < 1244925369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I resized it now and such, so much smaller < 1244925395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://omploader.org/vMXRzYQ (4.6 MB) < 1244925523 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-253.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244925543 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: high dynamic range is good < 1244925576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, well, I don't think it is HDR as such. But not too bad for the first panorama I made. < 1244925591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Wikipedia has a list of games for which up up down down left right left right b a is a cheat code < 1244925608 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: more bits = more dynamic range < 1244925614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that one is downsampled to 8 bits per channel, if you actually want the original tiff, it is available on request < 1244925621 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I resized mine to something like 4000x1000 and less-than-a-megabyte .jpgs, though. :p < 1244925647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hey, I put it at quality = 96 in gimp! < 1244925662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just games; apparently it also affects facebook and digg < 1244925684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but what do you think about the picture in question < 1244925685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to do template haskell trickery < 1244925692 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244925705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Make it PNG. < 1244925709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1244925714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm? it would be larger in fact < 1244925730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I could do is cut some padding at the edges it seems < 1244925733 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes... PNG *is* a lossless format... < 1244925745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the goal here was small file < 1244925777 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cropped mine so that they were rectangular full-of-image-data, even though I had to discard quite a bit of actual content there. < 1244925817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that might be better... hm. But it would cut too much here < 1244925873 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would happen if you compressed video by take 1, 1^2, 1^2^3, 1^2^3^4, etc, and then DEFLATEd that? < 1244925886 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOM < 1244925894 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ^ is xor and 1,2,3 are frames < 1244925900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 4 then < 1244925907 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nigger < 1244925915 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the 4th frame < 1244925929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1244925950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1244925980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://omploader.org/vMXRzZA (grumble... 5000xwhatever, 3.2 MB...) < 1244925987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, prefer that < 1244925989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1244925991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: that's close to how real video compression algorithms work < 1244925998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I strongly suspect that would be huge. < 1244926012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main difference is that they divide the image into squares, and xor each square with the other square it's most similar to < 1244926015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That seems to have very little with the discrete cosine transform. < 1244926021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you DCT the result < 1244926023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then compress that < 1244926038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind. :P < 1244926064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the xor happens before the DCT, but I'm not sure < 1244926073 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm thinking lossless < 1244926085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DCT /is/ lossless, in theory < 1244926108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lossless video is love < 1244926111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's common to throw away the less informative bits of the result, in which case it's lossy < 1244926112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want lossless 1080p video < 1244926113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's more sensibly cut, yes. Your choice of content is harder to panoramize, there's more stuff in front. < 1244926121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: store the result as equations < 1244926125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite precision < 1244926134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how big lossless 1080p would be < 1244926140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one frame 1080p lossless is... < 1244926145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5MB? 10MB? < 1244926153 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: uncompressed 1080p is 177 megabytes/second < 1244926168 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming fps of 30 < 1244926171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compressed 1080p is significantly less. < 1244926180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: so 1,244GB for one movie < 1244926180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kevan.org/rubicon/game.php?level=kycyfog < 1244926185 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how good is lossless compression these days? < 1244926187 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stuff they use digital movie theatres is encoded each frame as a separate jpeg2000 image. < 1244926187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you could compress that to 200GB < 1244926198 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather good. < 1244926198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :losslessly < 1244926206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just hate lossiness < 1244926210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm such a packrat < 1244926229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd buy 1PB of storage for like $100/mo < 1244926231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244926233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm also a cheapskate. < 1244926245 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=1080*1920++*+24+bits+*+30+hertz+*+1+hour < 1244926248 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google is awesome < 1244926251 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And uncompressed 1080p is 177 MB/s only if you use 24-bit color depths; I don't think people use that in video, it's always some sort of YUV420 or whatever. < 1244926269 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a lower-resolution chroma channels and so on, < 1244926271 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lame < 1244926279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 1.2TB for 120 mins < 1244926283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 1,244GB like I said < 1244926296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematica can't calculate DCTs as equations instead of values < 1244926297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's lam < 1244926297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1244926298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Raw 1080p tends to have same-resolution chroma channels. < 1244926299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ultra lame < 1244926300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is true < 1244926308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FREAKING LAME! < 1244926313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and it was my first time. Plus it was raining a lot < 1244926323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and strong wind < 1244926336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a lot of parallax issues to work around < 1244926338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you noticed that nobody cares that < 1244926341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yet < 1244926356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I just replied to his comment. < 1244926364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I noticed that *you* don't care. < 1244926365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what comment? < 1244926367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very different < 1244926378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can't read scrollback either: AnMaster: It's more sensibly cut, yes. Your choice of content is harder to panoramize, there's more stuff in front. < 1244926381 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also, it's 24-bit Y'CbCr. < 1244926382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, ais523 also said he didn't ask for it, and nobody else has commented apart from fizzie < 1244926390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was afk < 1244926394 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(misnomer -- YUV) < 1244926394 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I guess when it's raw it could be done. < 1244926399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that was ages ago < 1244926412 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Now I am again not here.) < 1244926425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as I said. I was afk. < 1244926443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: FourierDCT[N[{1, 2, 3, 4}, 100000]] < 1244926450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 100,000 digit precision good enough for you < 1244926451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1244926454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost lossless :P < 1244926463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:53:09 * AnMaster was afk 21:53:19 AnMaster: that was ages ago <-- I guess it was lag? < 1244926477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it's just that accusing me of not reading all of the day's backlog is silly < 1244926485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i get annoyed at you for not reading it was just a few minutes up < 1244926486 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf! < 1244926491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what < 1244926492 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfram alpha just told me to gtfo < 1244926492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. You were here when he said that < 1244926496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: lolwut < 1244926498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I fail to see your point < 1244926506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i read every message and remember it forever! < 1244926514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and it was also just a few minutes ago here < 1244926519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that I were replying to < 1244926522 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, literally? < 1244926539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 21:52 - 21:48 = ages < 1244926553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, shut up. < 1244926560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was drowned in a sea of other messages < 1244926567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was way further back than anything I ever complain about < 1244926569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok, *that* is a valid excuse. < 1244926572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other ones weren't < 1244926592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not at all, this was within one screen. But most of those your mention are more than that < 1244926746 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAAAAAAAAAAAL < 1244926860 0 :Oracle!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SCO < 1244926876 0 :SCO!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hai gais, all ur linux r belong to us < 1244926888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aarch! < 1244926891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aargh! < 1244926900 0 :SCO!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: Yes, ArchLinux too. < 1244926923 0 :SCO!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Intel < 1244926931 0 :Intel!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AMD < 1244926935 0 :AMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, owned :P < 1244926953 0 :AMD!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Intel < 1244926979 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You, or the nick? < 1244926987 0 :Intel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nick. < 1244926989 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1244926999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCO was owned by Novell's lawyers < 1244927088 0 :Intel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Novell is owned :( < 1244927196 0 :Intel!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :poop < 1244927209 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Intel is now known as poop // for the logs :P < 1244927265 0 :poop!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Microsoft < 1244927272 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* poop is now known as Microsoft // also for the logs < 1244927471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, :) < 1244927478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, Long lives AMD < 1244927482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1244927484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :live* < 1244927487 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is an Intel fan :P < 1244927505 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why I'm so damned loud. < 1244927508 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET IT? IT'S A PUN < 1244927513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1244927544 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody in here also in #opensolaris? I want to take Oracle in there, say "NOM NOM NOM", then leave, but see if anybody reacts :P < 1244927555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joined < 1244927565 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll wait a few minutes :P < 1244927571 0 :Microsoft!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Oracle < 1244927585 0 :Oracle!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1244927599 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you troll something with Microsoft, btw? < 1244927609 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, never thought of a worthwhile trolling :P < 1244927617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ##windows < 1244927623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: announce something. < 1244927631 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Ooooh, announce something, that's good. < 1244927643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Like, like, the new Zune. < 1244927644 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Windows 7 is now officially closed." < 1244927650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Windows 8, based on Linux. < 1244927656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Or moving to Itanium. < 1244927723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:15 Oracle has left () < 1244927723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:15 sylence: another thing: why do all my terminals (gnome-terminal, xterm, urxvt) have no color support by default? how to activate color support? < 1244927726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:15 cgkades: lol < 1244927728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:15 kc8bws: I can see flash clips but not watch youtube trash < 1244927730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: a stunning reaction. < 1244927747 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, somebody said "lol", that's something X-P < 1244927758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I bet those ##windows peeps are defensive. < 1244927761 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1244927832 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I still haven't thought of the perfect thing to say though. < 1244927867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Set up a webpage on an IP address mimicking the microsoft site, announcing something. Paste the link with a corporatey explanation < 1244927874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We are sorry to announce to our customers that, etc." < 1244927878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"- Microsoft PR Department" < 1244927884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IP so the domain doesn't give it away < 1244927892 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IP gives it away :P < 1244927899 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Its fakeness, that is) < 1244927901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Put it on microsoft.com then < 1244927908 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No prooooooooooblem :P < 1244927954 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:17:37] Microsoft is Microsoft!n=Microsof@65.183.185.209 < 1244927965 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1244928033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: announce an official partnership with Samba < 1244928037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then get more and more absurd < 1244928076 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think something along the lines of the Microsoft-Novell thing could be fun. < 1244928097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Announce that MS & Novell are acquiring Samba. < 1244928234 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Microsoft is now announcing the acquisition of Novell and all of its subsidiaries. This acquisition will greatly enhance several of Microsoft's enterprise-class server products, as SUSE technologies are integrated into our new platform, Windows Linux Enterprise. < 1244928277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244928281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: But wait < 1244928288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Add some backstory about communicating with the community < 1244928297 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmm ...... < 1244928298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg "I was tasked to correspond with Windows communities across the web" < 1244928303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they don't think you're too special < 1244928306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[note: this won't work] < 1244928331 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I think that just announcing it with no other info is fun :P < 1244928348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: But nobody will responddd. < 1244928354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to make yourself lowly :P < 1244928381 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-4.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1244928468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you might get away with it. a guy's defending IE. < 1244928485 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: But your suggestion is true, so I'm writing :P < 1244928491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:27 Ether_Man_: ryaxnb, yes really.. Opera has been first with virtually all the features of both IE and firefox < 1244928494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also Opera! < 1244928621 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : As this merger will likely have a powerful influence on the Open Source ecosystem, we have chosen to ... < 1244928626 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just sounds so ridiculous :P < 1244928649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: 'scuz it is. MS would never talk in an unofficial irc channel on an open source network. < 1244928660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially not without any link to an official announcement, and not with the username Microsoft. < 1244928674 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh :P < 1244928679 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can fool just /one/ person < 1244928692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: there's nobody that stupid on freenode < 1244928730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:31 Ether_Man_: ehird, that's not really true and you should know that.. Mozilla and netscape is NOT the same project, nor is Mozilla and Firefox the same project < 1244928731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:32 ehird: Ether_Man_: Mozilla is the name for the open source continuation of netscape, dude. Original mozilla's code was identical to netscape. Firefox was just a fork of Mozilla that stripped out features. < 1244928734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if idiots challenge me < 1244928805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:32 Ether_Man_: ehird, not exactly no.. Do better research :) < 1244928805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:33 ehird: Ether_Man_: I've followed the Mozilla project for years and have this info from authoritative sources. You are merely making unfounded assertions. Rebut me, if you wish, but this is not convincing and you are wrong. < 1244928810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm psychic. < 1244928895 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just stick to the initial announcement, plus If you have any questions or concerns regarding this acquisition, please contact Microsoft support at novellmerger@microsoft.com < 1244928912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:34 Ether_Man_: ehird, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla they reference all the info.. Just read... Please < 1244928913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:35 ehird: Ether_Man_: What a copout. You are simply wrong and I don't care that you think otherwise. Or at least, if you're right, then ex-Netscape employees and the Mozilla organization don't know about it. < 1244928923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Troll that etherman guy please. He's an idiot. < 1244928938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, we are so not going to do so < 1244928938 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course he is, he's on ##windows :P < 1244928950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, hm that changes that a bit < 1244928951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I am talking to GregorR; what are you talking about? < 1244928961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not mention you at all. < 1244928976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1244928985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your point? < 1244929015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Can you translate what AnMaster's talking about since 21:35 AnMaster: ehird, we are so not going to do so ? < 1244929017 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There it goes < 1244929017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no fucking clue. < 1244929082 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No reaction WHATSOEVER :( < 1244929198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:37 Ether_Man_: ehird, so basicly what you tell me is that you're a better and more authorative source than Mozilla org themselves? Righto.. < 1244929198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:37 ehird: Ether_Man_: Please, you are welcome to quote me sentences that disprove what I say. Could you take a few seconds to do that instead of pointing me to the same wiki page that agrees with me? < 1244929203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:39 Ether_Man_: ehird, you do know what a release roadmap is I hope? And what an Initial draft means? https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseRoadmap < 1244929210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:39 ehird: Ether_Man_: Great, you didn't listen to me and you link to a totally irrelevant page. You're bloody Einstein, idiot. < 1244929216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idiotdar beeps. < 1244929274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: are you telling the truth, or trying to mislead people? < 1244929278 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sad that there was no reaction at all :P < 1244929293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm telling the truth entirely; Ether_Man is a misguided idiot who cannot accept he's wrong and refuses to give arguments. < 1244929304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to play with HDR tomorrow. Getting an image with both very light and very dark areas. < 1244929309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty damn certain exactly how the Mozilla project wen. < 1244929310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :went < 1244929337 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't understand what he believes ... < 1244929345 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That Mozilla and Firefox are (source-wise) unrelated? < 1244929386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I don't even know; I think he thinks that Firefox uses Gecko but wasn't a fork of Mozilla (untrue), and that Mozilla was not just initially a rebranding of Netscape (colossally untrue) < 1244929400 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Think I should try #suse next? < 1244929405 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which I guess links to #opensuse < 1244929405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1244929406 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1244929412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burb. < 1244929415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(brb) < 1244929556 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Join #opensuse < 1244929624 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he's brbing. < 1244929626 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind :P < 1244929894 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl, they got the cavalry on #suse :P < 1244929925 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:51:20] Microsoft [n=Microsof@65.183.185.209] has quit IRC: < 1244929926 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:51:35] microsoft, having succesfully trolled, has left freenode < 1244929926 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:51:47] virsys [n=virsys@or-67-232-64-36.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit IRC: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244929926 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:51:53] he got me; i googled it < 1244929927 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be happy < 1244929939 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laaaaaaaaawl < 1244929982 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When somebody @freenode/staff gets angry, it's time to /quit :P < 1244930001 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1244930029 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you bet my nickserv registration disappears? :P < 1244930474 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244930489 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244930501 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder when google will put a full cas into their calculator < 1244930564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cas? < 1244930572 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: wolframalpha.com < 1244930575 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Computer algebra system < 1244930578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1244930595 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244930700 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244930843 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenID is simultaneously extremely useful and totally useles. < 1244930847 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*useless < 1244931147 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244931283 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244931302 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur_ < 1244931316 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1244931664 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244931748 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244932360 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1244932368 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm thinking about video compression < 1244932519 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoy Onerously Uptight Toccata more than I wish to admit :P < 1244932905 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244932911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: gimme a log < 1244932912 0 :Gracenotes_!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1244932913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna see it < 1244932916 0 :Gracenotes_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gracenotes < 1244932921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:07 GregorR: OpenID is simultaneously extremely useful and totally useles. < 1244932921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:07 GregorR: *useless < 1244932926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not useless! < 1244932928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just underused < 1244932935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: let's invent a lossless video compression algo < 1244932939 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added OpenID support to Masterpiecemachine. < 1244932953 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'm working on it < 1244932956 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i've got some good ideas < 1244932967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: tuning it for animation or real? < 1244933015 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither < 1244933036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you have to do one :P < 1244933041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it'll be sub-optimal < 1244933060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what sort of compression ratios are you looking at for movie-length (120 minutes) 1080p? < 1244933066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 1.2TB to hopefully... < 1244933069 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not that far yet < 1244933075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay :P < 1244933088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: but what would you like? (well, in reason; no everything-becomes-1-byte stuff) < 1244933097 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got no clue < 1244933185 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244933417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: care to share a few ideas? < 1244933419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :video compression is fun < 1244933428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you can decode it in realtime < 1244933453 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it goes like this < 1244933509 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pad, break into 16*16 or whatever chunks, output an undelimited stream of them | \ < 1244933555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I've always disliked specific chunk sizes < 1244933561 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor all chunks in a sliding window, sort based on hamming weight, output the lowest | \ < 1244933562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it leads to blocky-looking stuff lossy < 1244933562 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip < 1244933570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for lossless, not as much of a problem :LP < 1244933572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1244933575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... < 1244933579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1244933585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for HD you'd want like 128x128 < 1244933591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: bzip2 instead of gzip? < 1244933603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that really fast, really good compression algorithm, forget its name < 1244933626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lzma is slow to compress but fast to decompress < 1244933653 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter < 1244933670 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just say LZ77 < 1244933884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: any ideas beyond that? :P < 1244933918 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably do better with some specialized entropy coding for whatever distribution it turns out you get < 1244934058 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still working out how to do the middle step < 1244934318 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1244934352 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given A, A^D, D^B, B^E, E^C, you can solve for all A, B, C, D, E, right? < 1244934485 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what? < 1244934542 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ is xor < 1244934550 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1244934570 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, then. < 1244934584 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A^(A^D) = D, iinm < 1244934587 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244934592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: of course < 1244934600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: since A^B is reversible with either A or B < 1244934606 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244934608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just xor them :P) < 1244934612 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i've got it < 1244934613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor is awesome < 1244934615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it combines data! < 1244934616 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me write some code < 1244934618 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-15-241.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244934625 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor is pretty awesome < 1244934654 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you compress N bits of data to N/2+1 bits < 1244934677 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think. :D < 1244934692 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho maybe not! :D < 1244934718 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm... < 1244934720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: erm no, it doesn't save any space. < 1244934724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244934735 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up stop ruining my illusions! :| < 1244934789 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2**64 chunks is enough for anyway right? < 1244934847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: that's 1180591620717411303424 pixels if you use 64 pixel blocks < 1244934849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ehm yes < 1244935270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what source material are you testing this on? < 1244935279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you should compare it with huffyuv btw.) < 1244935282 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....i don't have anything yet < 1244935293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244935359 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1244935368 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuh, 26 lines < 1244935704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244935934 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i can use sse4 for the hamming weights :D < 1244935944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: :D < 1244935945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1244935963 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see.whatever for the xoring of course < 1244935980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 128-bit blocks then? :P < 1244935988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, 5.3 pixels < 1244935992 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need < 1244936000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: eh? < 1244936010 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can be as big as needed < 1244936022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: with sse? < 1244936027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it operates on 128 bit values < 1244936031 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244936037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no? < 1244936079 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does, but you can just add < 1244936085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes :P < 1244936473 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244936647 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1244937109 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric