< 1245283852 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1245284485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245285013 0 :oklopol!i=oklopol@a91-156-18-48.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1245285023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's new < 1245285569 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :c_ < 1245285598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, see you in a few months :) < 1245285612 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, when internet starts flowing in my apartment again < 1245285614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1245285619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"PJIRC @ http://webirk.dy.fi" < 1245285678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1245285685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of issue is oklopol having? < 1245285832 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! :o < 1245285838 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent seen oklopol around in ages < 1245285840 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now hes gone :( < 1245286443 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1245286529 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-069-206.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1245286758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am seeing the funniest behavior from udev. < 1245286777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was unaware that a joystick should be on /dev/input/js0 yet feeding into /dev/mice. < 1245286788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1245286792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/input/mice < 1245287183 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245288269 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245288489 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245288562 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245288689 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245288721 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245289325 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245289370 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245289951 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)" < 1245294594 0 :Co-Run!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1245295116 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1245295124 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would Xorg be using 1.2 gb ram? < 1245295284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That includes your video RAM. < 1245295310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if you've got a 1GB video card, that's easy. < 1245295318 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what actually goes in video ram? < 1245295398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Framebuffer, textures, 3D polygons, shader code, temporary buffers that haven't been blitted into the framebuffer, video that the video card is helping render... < 1245295608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. Zicam can cause anosmia. 'Fun'. < 1245296203 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION steaks pikhq sense of smell < 1245296291 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anosmia? < 1245296297 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inability to smell. < 1245296305 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1245296310 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds unhappy < 1245296312 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-nose-mia < 1245296322 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blend of greek, english, and italian < 1245296326 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a- being "without" < 1245296330 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "mia" being "my" < 1245296334 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"without my nose" < 1245296378 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's totally all Greek. < 1245296390 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up warrigal < 1245296393 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats warrigal < 1245296411 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's the linguist here, you? < 1245296413 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ME? < 1245296414 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats right. < 1245296415 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME. < 1245296435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders where psygnis is. < 1245296441 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<< right here? < 1245296455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas. < 1245296461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP CHANGING NICKNAMES. < 1245296469 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only changed it once, fucker < 1245296470 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1245296479 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM NOT GREGOR < 1245296481 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :who < 1245296482 0 :who!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :what < 1245296491 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION where < 1245296496 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :when < 1245296506 0 :what!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :how < 1245296511 0 :how!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1245296531 0 :when!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1245296533 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho if i were really being gregor i'd be all like < 1245296537 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMALLTALK < 1245296538 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCHEME < 1245296540 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTRAN < 1245296542 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALGOL < 1245296563 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ἀνὀσμή < 1245296564 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anosme < 1245296579 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what's up with the -ia. < 1245296583 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god Warrigal go buy yourself a sense of humor < 1245296705 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, but I simply have no idea where I can do that. < 1245296795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: And C. < 1245296802 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes right < 1245296803 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soz < 1245297112 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need some good coding music < 1245297121 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz to be givink? < 1245297131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Katamari Fortissimo Damacy. < 1245297143 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not compute < 1245297162 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Katamari Damacy soundtrack. < 1245297171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called Katamari Fortissimo Damacy. < 1245297218 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have anything on the interblogs? :P < 1245297386 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor Richard's Opuses (Opi?) < 1245297451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music.php < 1245297560 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuu < 1245299604 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/For-The-Love-Of.aspx < 1245299605 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMAZING < 1245299890 0 :oklopol!i=oklopol@a91-156-18-48.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1245299895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1245299985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a programmer < 1245300041 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evening. < 1245300041 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am. < 1245300090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be < 1245300108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think at some point i turned into a mathematician. < 1245300175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming just seems trivial... hacking is still fun, and coding is okay, but i can't program. < 1245300233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by trivial i don't mean easy < 1245300238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to stop doing trivial things. < 1245300238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what i mean < 1245300244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean trivial. < 1245300267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you explain to me why it's trivial even though it's occasionally challenging? < 1245300291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you're doing something that's already been done, of course. ;) < 1245300303 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! :o < 1245300326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing a textbox atm, making a pretty correspondence between logical and physical lines is surprisingly difficult. < 1245300340 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still it feels like i'm not actually solving a problem, just writing down trivialities < 1245300343 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical and physical lines? < 1245300350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1245300353 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain. < 1245300359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know wrapping. < 1245300370 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with tortillas? < 1245300371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrapping is what physical lines do < 1245300374 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrapping what < 1245300376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical lines don't wrap < 1245300384 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lines of text < 1245300386 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1245300387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1245300397 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i see. < 1245300402 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are you griping about now? < 1245300424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1245300431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess nothing? < 1245300455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thought some of you might still think i'm a programmer. < 1245300481 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol you're an idiot. < 1245300487 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i still want you in me. < 1245300490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am now? < 1245300497 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1245300500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so < 1245300502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend you do something non-trivial. < 1245300514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INVENT something, don't just do something well-known. < 1245300519 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : just thought some of you might still think i'm a programmer. << thats how < 1245300530 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i wanna invent something :( < 1245300538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i have invented something, this is just something i need to do before i can get to that < 1245300556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands oklopol The Art of Computer Programming < 1245300570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: why's that idiotic? < 1245300584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i have that, haven't read it yet, what's your point? < 1245300584 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU NEED TO ASK < 1245300605 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i don't need to, i want to < 1245300643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'm making this game where you try to guess the code that produces a given 2d fractal, which keeps evolving. < 1245300657 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowly, but faster than you can type the code to draw it < 1245300659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read it, man. And enjoy your damned MIX. < 1245300719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1245300729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reading sicp now, finally decided to finish it < 1245300746 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sicp is wonderful < 1245300752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also read rwh, probably the most error-ridden book i've ever read < 1245300754 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent actually read the book, but the videos <3 < 1245300767 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rwh? < 1245300772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the programs are so wrong i simply couldn't continue reading for a while < 1245300784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one of the example runs actually errors out < 1245300784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1245300797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they continue explaining the result even though there isn't one < 1245300801 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rwh? < 1245300801 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real world haskell < 1245300805 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmfao < 1245300812 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskellfail < 1245300819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it was also a very well written book, so kinda evens out. < 1245300838 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL ATLEAST THERES THAT < 1245300876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1245300892 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only described it beautifully, not tried it. < 1245300920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i havent actually read the book, but the videos <3 <<< you told ehird you've read it twice < 1245300929 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i didnt < 1245300935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when he had his read sicp rant < 1245300936 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told ehird i WATCHED it twice. < 1245300948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, sorries then. < 1245300961 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youll need to fuck me if you want me to forgive you. < 1245300986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first two chapters of sicp have been a complete waste of time, i should've started at 3, but i just can't read a book partially :< < 1245301010 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, whats your opinion of a programming language where you have to take certain core pieces of code, all of which are full programs, and compose them together to get other programs < 1245301015 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just write arbitrary code? < 1245301045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of progs would those be < 1245301059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like building simple constructs from complex ones? < 1245301067 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other way around :P < 1245301071 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like < 1245301076 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know, say < 1245301080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the other way around is how programming usually works < 1245301089 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given two syntactically and semantically acceptable programs A, B < 1245301117 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where A = aXb, B = cXd < 1245301151 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where X is some piece of code thats duplicated, and the small letters are other pieces of code that are not duplicated < 1245301197 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry reverse that :P < 1245301209 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A = xay, B = xby < 1245301218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okily < 1245301222 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can do < 1245301226 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequence(A,B) < 1245301233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get xaby < 1245301235 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and itll construct return xaby < 1245301237 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1245301238 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1245301252 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would be the only way you could generate code < 1245301266 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what that means, that's just a well-known group automorphism < 1245301276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with one interpretation < 1245301279 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take some finite number of core grammatical pieces of code and compose them together in some restricted fashion < 1245301308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess i might know where you're going with this < 1245301313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might want some kinda example tho < 1245301322 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know quite how itd look, to be honest < 1245301329 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just groping at ideas here, you know < 1245301330 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1245301356 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im interested in what sorts of things you could get with that < 1245301401 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where absolutely every valid program is either a primitive program, or is composed of other valid programs < 1245301411 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some fashion like that < 1245301477 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/For-The-Love-Of.aspx < 1245301480 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY SOUL! < 1245301501 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didnt i link that already? < 1245301503 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1245301504 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i did < 1245301531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1245301534 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still terrible. < 1245301542 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1245301578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n^18) < 1245301596 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1245301598 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its not < 1245301603 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its O(n) < 1245301619 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the number of actual lowest level elements it needs to iterate over. < 1245301642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n^18) is a superset of O(n). < 1245301653 0 :Patashu!n=Patashu@c122-106-162-185.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1245301657 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that bitch. < 1245301669 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except noone cares < 1245301683 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its O(n*o*p*q*r*s*t*u*v*w*x*y*z*aa*ab*ac*ad*LPVAlgorithmIterationBounds) < 1245301699 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is correct. < 1245301704 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1245301712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/For-The-Love-Of.aspx < 1245301727 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh < 1245301734 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urh? < 1245301740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrr < 1245301742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1245301753 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EIGHTEEN DIMENSIONS < 1245301805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nothing really, i just read it, and realized it wasn't just 18 subparts of the same components. < 1245301807 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*component < 1245301820 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not thank goodness < 1245301827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assumed it was like for a in ...: for b in a: for c in b: ... < 1245301828 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does something for every point in this 18 dimensional space < 1245301833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1245301890 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1245301893 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell IS it doing < 1245302273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : on the number of actual lowest level elements it needs to iterate over. <<< kinda like quicksort is O(n) on the number of comparisons it needs to do < 1245302288 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1245302293 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1245302304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to do exactly as many as it needs to do < 1245302304 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, a bare minimum of 2^18 function calls. < 1245302319 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: right, which is the number of lowest level elements. :P < 1245302319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure most are singletons < 1245302340 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no it wouldnt < 1245302355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Actually. < 1245302362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i'm just saying O(n^18) is a better way to describe that than O(n), because there are 18 unknowns, and you iterate over their cartesian product < 1245302371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's all singleton lists, 1^18. :P < 1245302395 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the number of unknowns is irrelevant to the issue here, oklopol < 1245302409 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing that matters is the number of lowest level views that its accessing < 1245302428 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that the views are at the bottom of a deep view hierarchy is irrelevant to that fact. < 1245302456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is determined by the product of the amounts of values for the 18 lists < 1245302486 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is true < 1245302496 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats not the same as O(n^18) < 1245302520 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me put it this way < 1245302528 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets construct a smaller fictional model < 1245302532 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where its just three loops deep < 1245302543 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n) on largest list < 1245302548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1245302550 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should be O(n^3) by your reasoning < 1245302552 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n^18) < 1245302556 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is n counting? < 1245302564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :size of largest list < 1245302571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1245302582 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sum of sizes < 1245302596 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so lets think about this for a second < 1245302609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1245302630 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you're saying is < 1245302653 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. i see where you're coming from. < 1245302678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n is the size of input, that's what it usually is. < 1245302699 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the inputs to the function at the bottom are the total number of items at the bottom < 1245302709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean at the bottom < 1245302713 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of this view hierarchy < 1245302720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fucking hierarchy < 1245302726 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you look at the code? < 1245302731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, did you < 1245302738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's enumerating a cartesian product < 1245302741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a hierarchy < 1245302742 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1245302768 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1245302784 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, it is, ok. :P < 1245302796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, the code is O(n*o*p). < 1245302801 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point is < 1245302804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in no fucking way is it linear. < 1245302806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : well nothing really, i just read it, and realized it wasn't just 18 subparts of the same components. <<< me realizing just that < 1245302835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but it does something for every point in this 18 dimensional space <<< Patashu saying it in english. < 1245302853 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enumerating a cartesian product is not "worst case" O(m^n) where m is the size of the largest space being crossed < 1245302879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what you mean < 1245302881 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its worst case O(m^n) only in the case where all of the spaces are of size m < 1245302930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how that's relevant, given no extra information about the sizes. < 1245302941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just as well assume we're just sorting sorted lists < 1245302941 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its PRECISELY (best, worst, and average) O(n) where n is the total number of tuples in the final product, where n = n0*n1*...*ni < 1245302950 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no oklopol, you couldnt < 1245302966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer saying O(abcdefghijklmnopqr). < 1245303002 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the description i gave of the scenario perfectly describes the actual amount of time the algorithm will take in relation to easily determinable and relevant factors < 1245303026 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while your example of quicksort being O(n) over the number of compares is not easily determinable nor is it relevant < 1245303047 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1245303055 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the (KNOWN) sizes of all the sets involved, its trivial to calculate before the operation how long itll take < 1245303066 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same cannot be said about the quicksort algorithm < 1245303081 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when O(n) over the number of compares. < 1245303083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i'm saying is it's theta(n^18) on sum of sizes. < 1245303131 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its only theta(n^18) because you're constructing an enormous maximum upper bound curve thats completely unnecessary < 1245303138 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its theta(infinity) too by that very same logic < 1245303145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1245303149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1245303152 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is < 1245303159 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because theta(n^18) is a subset of theta(infinity) < 1245303162 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting kinda tired of this < 1245303164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no it's not < 1245303168 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is. < 1245303170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1245303180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1245303195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me think a sec, i've actually kinda stopped thinking < 1245303201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that when i get annoyed with you < 1245303206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's a subset < 1245303221 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no it's not < 1245303226 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your problem is not that you stop thinking when you get annoyed with me < 1245303230 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its that you never start thinking. < 1245303244 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not not omega(infinity) < 1245303246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not < 1245303252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can't be theta < 1245303259 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE POINT IS OKLOPOL < 1245303274 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying its O(n^18) is meaningless. < 1245303279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPUTER SCIENCE IS NP-HARD. < 1245303297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not meaningless, and i'm saying theta, not ordo < 1245303307 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is precisely one case where it will ever actually be O(n^18), and that same case is captured in the more useful description i gave. < 1245303329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then type \theta? < 1245303346 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't render right in here < 1245303348 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithm is EXACTLY, O(n) over the number of tuples in the final cross product. < 1245303370 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys are such nerds, just saying < 1245303379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably stop talking to augur on non-private medias, he's such an idiot < 1245303396 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, because that makes you correct, oklopol < 1245303403 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, it doesnt. < 1245303409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, that is, usually nice on skype. < 1245303422 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats because on skype you dont say stupid shit < 1245303457 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's O(n) < 1245303459 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where n is something else < 1245303461 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to say that this algorithm is O(n^18) over the maximum size of the tuples is an overstatement to say the least. < 1245303464 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't the size of the input data < 1245303484 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's how O() works < 1245303506 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it IS the size of the input data. < 1245303513 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have some number of sets < 1245303528 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just product over their sizes and thats the amount of time its going to take. < 1245303528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: he's basically saying you shouldn't tell the algo's complexity on the size of input, because it's better described by the separate variables given. which is perfectly true. < 1245303543 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, oklopol, you're not going by the size of inputs either < 1245303547 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're doing the exact same thing i am < 1245303567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but say you had a thousand of those lists, i would definitely prefer O(n^1000) < 1245303576 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're not sending it a complete list of tuples < 1245303578 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you're assume that to accurately describe the worst case scenario, you have to assume all the lists are the same size < 1245303580 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're sending it separate lists < 1245303581 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is false. < 1245303582 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to O(variable1*variable2*...*variable1000) < 1245303583 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-IT- makes the tuples < 1245303584 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1245303584 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do not need to assume that. < 1245303604 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it makes tuples. it makes a completely predictable number of tuples. < 1245303614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking to me or augur? < 1245303624 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is just assuming that number is not predictable, and therefore hes assuming the number is larger than it really is < 1245303639 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i give you the lists [1] [2] [3,4,5,6,7,8] < 1245303647 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know precisely how long itll take to construct the cross product < 1245303657 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do not need to assume that all three lists are 6 elements long < 1245303664 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that that is the WORST CASE scenario for this algorithm < 1245303671 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you know precisely how long itll take < 1245303804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has anyone proved freecell np-complete < 1245303813 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats freecell < 1245303818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did spider solitaire a few days ago < 1245303878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with decks of any size & any number of stacks) < 1245303935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: In the case of a thousand-dimensional space, I would prefer to say O(n0*n1*...*n999*n1000) < 1245303969 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, me too, probably. < 1245303976 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :concession accepted. < 1245303979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so scratch that < 1245304048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Just listening to Opus 10 for the first time. Nice work. < 1245304066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1245304068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s that < 1245304080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR's work? < 1245304083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor's 10th Opus. < 1245304086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1245304091 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. do link < 1245304104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music.php < 1245304110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has 5-10 and a few other pieces. < 1245304124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not listened to the 9th, since I don't happen to have a MIDI setup working. < 1245304130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always wanted to hear GregorR's stuff < 1245304168 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was hoping played on actual piano < 1245304175 0 :Co-Run!n=Corun@94-194-108-92.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1245304189 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1245304209 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All but Opus 9 are him playing on the piano. < 1245304229 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i've always wanted to hear GregorR's stuff // it's not like it's hidden :P < 1245304265 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna say "well have you heard my unhidden stuff", then realized you probably haven't always wanted to hear my stuff :) < 1245304280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't look for stuff < 1245304444 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-238-252-206.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1245304492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of curiosity, anyone with a good MIDI setup willing to do something with Opus 9? < 1245304492 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION * myndzi myndzifmyndzif immibisf immibis myndzifimmibisf immibisfmyndzif < 1245304509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "do something with" mean? < 1245304513 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's opus 9? < 1245304522 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make an Ogg, really. < 1245304537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: http://codu.org/music.php < 1245304538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like play it < 1245304540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1245304553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make an Ogg of it playing. < 1245304568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the trio < 1245304575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't open stuff atm < 1245304593 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. I haven't heard it, since I cannot has MIDI. < 1245304647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, playing it would be nice, too... < 1245304665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :violin, cello, viola < 1245304720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't feel like reading it < 1245304729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll listen when i can < 1245304772 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I have good MIDI now (not when I made that ogg), but its cello sucks a LOT >_< < 1245304831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Hmm.; < 1245304844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note, you don't have an Ogg of it posted. :P < 1245304914 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WFBBQ? < 1245304916 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*WTFBBQ < 1245304923 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why no. < 1245304925 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I do not :P < 1245304928 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTFBBQ == ??????? < 1245305002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes Color Matcher. < 1245305029 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck barbecue < 1245305044 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody likes color matcher. < 1245305050 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BY LAW < 1245305053 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats color matcher < 1245305054 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1245305088 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/colormatch/ < 1245305090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/colormatch/ < 1245305113 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that < 1245305128 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1245305133 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh yeah that shit who cares" < 1245305179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i care somewhat < 1245305188 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite little though < 1245305192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of cool stuff on codu.org < 1245305224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah GregorR is so awesoe < 1245305226 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*awesome < 1245305242 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i no rite < 1245305258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Shaddup, you're not as awesome as Gregor. < 1245305259 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1245305265 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes u rite, cuz you awesome! < 1245305327 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy fuck, you've done more with JSMIPS. < 1245305332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brain break < 1245305991 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hooooooooooly fuuuuuuuuuuuuck < 1245306059 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? a javascript mips emulator? < 1245306082 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION licks mips < 1245306113 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: A /general-purpose/ JS MIPS emulator :P < 1245306881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : concession accepted. <<< no i just ignored you < 1245306895 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1245306914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just responding to that < 1245306921 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres nothing to respond to < 1245306923 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence "wut" < 1245306925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1245306937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were implying i admitted i had been wrong < 1245306948 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did, darlin. < 1245306952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i didn't < 1245306956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did i? < 1245306957 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in so many words < 1245306958 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you did. < 1245306992 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you admitted my description was preferable for very large cross products. < 1245307026 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which effectively means that where the actual growth rate is concerned, you prefer my version < 1245307040 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since big-o notation is precisely for actual growth rate, you prefer my version period. < 1245307043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admitted the product thing was preferable from the beginning, just said O(n) was retarded, and that O(n^18) is in no way a stretch, just how you'd express it with one variable. < 1245307045 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, concession accepted. < 1245307069 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but O(n^18) is NOT how you'd express it with one variable < 1245307083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure is, if n is the size of input, it's O(n^18) < 1245307096 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really want to express it strictly with one variable, O(sum[0,n](|X[n]|)) < 1245307098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't get a smaller ordo < 1245307104 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1245307114 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, that should be product not sum** < 1245307153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is how you'd express it given the sizes separately < 1245307159 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is for input size n < 1245307163 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, its not < 1245307167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what is? < 1245307189 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is exactly the same as mine, only you're forcing all the sets to be the same size < 1245307195 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make some stupid "worst case" analysis < 1245307197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given a list of lists, with n elements taken together, it's O(n^18) < 1245307204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not forcing them to be the same size < 1245307206 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is completely unnecessary. < 1245307210 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is, oklopol < 1245307241 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're assuming you have 18 lists, each of size n < 1245307245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1245307247 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1245307259 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what is n < 1245307274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming i have 18 lists, with n elements taken together < 1245307281 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the size. < 1245307285 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of elements < 1245307289 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "n elements taken together" mean < 1245307291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else could n be < 1245307293 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys still talking about this < 1245307294 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1245307305 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, oklopol is still being stupid < 1245307305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if all are size 1, then n would be 18 < 1245307311 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1245307313 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys still talking about this < so this is correct < 1245307315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: i had to take a break to calm down < 1245307319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: what else could n be? < 1245307319 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n is the total number of elements in the union over the sets? < 1245307323 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: yes < 1245307325 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you insane? < 1245307326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally < 1245307328 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok oklopol < 1245307330 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets think about this < 1245307336 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose we have THREE lists instead of 18 < 1245307340 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1245307346 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each having 3 elements < 1245307353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1245307353 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its O(n^3) < 1245307370 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, lets say two elements, to avoid power-multiple confusion < 1245307389 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in your version it should take 2^3 = 8 steps < 1245307411 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1245307413 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1245307417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the better ordo then? < 1245307423 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should take 6^3 steps < 1245307425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't given me one, just called me an idiot < 1245307433 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did give you one oklopol, you're just blind < 1245307437 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lets continue with this example < 1245307437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it? < 1245307443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen it < 1245307445 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three lists, each with two elements. < 1245307448 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok? < 1245307458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want the ordo, and i want a proof < 1245307458 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so n = 6, exp = 3 < 1245307480 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be 6^3 or 216 steps < 1245307482 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1245307506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1245307509 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUH < 1245307513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your definition of ordo? < 1245307515 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im using your fucking equation oklopol < 1245307529 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's the ordo you said is better than mine < 1245307531 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n^exp) where n is the size of the union of the sets, and exp is the number of sets < 1245307540 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, oklopol? < 1245307552 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please answer those < 1245307562 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll get there in a second, oklopol < 1245307565 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer the question first < 1245307574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only interested in examples once i know what you're even trying to say < 1245307603 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n) over the number of items in the cross product, where n = product[0,|X|](X[i]) < 1245307603 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1245307608 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW. < 1245307610 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to continue. < 1245307627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not an ordo on the size of input < 1245307639 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, its not, but im not doing order over the size of the input < 1245307645 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is an ordo? < 1245307667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, augur, what's an ordo? < 1245307683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually know you know, just assume < 1245307709 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the order of an algorithm is the growth rate of an algorithm relative to some quantity < 1245307717 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ordo? < 1245307722 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ordo" is oklopols typo. < 1245307727 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1245307732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's not ordo in english < 1245307739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been typoing for years then :) < 1245307746 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ordo is latin < 1245307754 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means effectively its english < 1245307768 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought both ordo and order are okay < 1245307775 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might be used in CS, i dont know < 1245307782 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting back to the topic < 1245307789 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually they use O, so i don't know,. < 1245307790 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1245307845 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n^m) is not worst case. its not even least upper bound. < 1245307850 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just completely wrong. < 1245307853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not? < 1245307859 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, oklopol, its not < 1245307863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you give me a better one? < 1245307867 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already did < 1245307869 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ < 1245307876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah for a different n < 1245307879 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1245307881 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a different n < 1245307887 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the algorithm is dependent on the n i gave < 1245307894 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has nothing to do with the n's and m's you gave < 1245307910 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the worst case, (n/3) * (n/3) * (n/3) = n^3 / 27, so clearly it's omega(n^3) < 1245307918 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1245307928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for an even distribution of the elements < 1245307938 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1245307972 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the function does not take n^3 time < 1245307973 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just proved it's theta(n^|elems|) < 1245307978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't? < 1245307981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what does it take < 1245308019 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only time it ever takes that amount of time is in precisely that one situation. < 1245308064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that statement means nothing to me < 1245308086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely what situation, it's a fucking tight bound < 1245308094 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1], [1], [1], [1], [1] < 1245308123 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your description says this should take 5^5 steps. < 1245308133 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its n^5 time in your algorithm < 1245308165 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we know its not. its O(n) time over the number of elements in the union, precisely so. < 1245308174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for n/5 elements it takes (n^5 / 5^5) time in the worst case < 1245308179 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(elements in the append**) < 1245308186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1245308190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean for n elements < 1245308203 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet its n not n^5, in the worst case. < 1245308231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1245308241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst case of having one element in each list? < 1245308243 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for set sizes of one, its O(n) < 1245308256 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah true, kinda like quicksort is O(1) for empty lists < 1245308309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i don't understand what you're arguing, you don't seem to be saying my math is wrong < 1245308322 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, what im saying is youre measuring on the wrong fucking variables. < 1245308349 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are precise fits where best-time = worst-time = average-time with the right variables. < 1245308364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are tight bounds using just n < 1245308377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :constant multiple bounded < 1245308389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for constant amount of variables < 1245308395 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lists < 1245308397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1245308398 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all, yours is merely constant multiple bounded for even distribution < 1245308415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1245308428 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, simple cases aren't worst cases < 1245308447 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, so we should ignore simple cases and look at all cases. < 1245308485 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre using two variables, and your description gives completely inaccurate predictions of performance for those numbers. < 1245308487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking complexity, it's always about the hardest cases < 1245308500 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and yours is NOT the hardest case. < 1245308513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are harder cases than even distribution? < 1245308514 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardest case, in a cross product, is the largest possible cross product < 1245308525 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in yours? yes. yours predicts it. < 1245308528 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is when you have equal distribution isn't it? < 1245308538 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :patashu: no. < 1245308595 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when its equal over the maximum, yes, sure. and in that precise case his equation is exactly the same as mine, ignoring notational differences. < 1245308620 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but his is not worst case for arbitrary n and m < 1245308632 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is then? < 1245308636 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its WRONG is what it is < 1245308639 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not anything < 1245308643 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is O(n+m)_ < 1245308644 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its nothing < 1245308656 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has nothing to do with the nested loops < 1245308657 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1245308663 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither does yours < 1245308688 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the HAPPENSTANCE fact that it can get a SINGLE case correct is irrelevant < 1245308711 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for arbitrary n and m, yours is not the worst-case order for the nested loops. < 1245308744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have n elements arbitrarily divided in m lists, the cartesian product is O(n^m) < 1245308750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i'm saying < 1245308755 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, its not. < 1245308812 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless by that you mean "O(n^m) is strictly above the order of the cartesian product, but is not fitted at all" < 1245308832 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case that amounts to saying the cartesian product is O(infinity) < 1245308842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying it's theta(n^m) < 1245308845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not order < 1245308858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably consistently say so, true. < 1245308909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a tighter bound than a constant multiple, then yeah, just number of elements in the union isn't enough < 1245308919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then why would we be talking about order < 1245308950 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we're talking about how long it takes to compute the product < 1245308957 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is precisely determined by the size of the product < 1245308958 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else < 1245309005 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hold on while i actually try to plot these graphs just to see if you're correct about it being THETA(n^m) < 1245309018 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err k < 1245309058 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardest case is always even distribution, sizes (n/m), ..., (n/m), that is, n^m / m^m, which for a constant m is theta(n^m) < 1245309063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the whole proof < 1245309070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see what plotting will prove, but have fun < 1245309139 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1245309140 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. < 1245309212 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets consider a simple case where m = 2 < 1245309221 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1245309223 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to simplify the proof that you're wrong. < 1245309226 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1245309228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1245309229 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1245309264 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we can do it otherwise actually, i thin < 1245309274 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on :P < 1245309298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want the proof for the special case of m=2? < 1245309307 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it's hard to put the numbers in there yourself < 1245309322 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol < 1245309330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur < 1245309351 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not going to read what i say, its hard to make snarky comments without making yourself look like a fool. < 1245309354 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep that in mind. < 1245309376 0 :Co-Run!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1245309393 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't see what you're trying to accomplish by finding a counter-example to a proof, but not showing what's wrong with it < 1245309407 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not trying to find a counter example < 1245309419 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see this is why you should read what you should read before you speak < 1245309431 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said we could do it generally, not with particular counter examples. < 1245309443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, well, go on then < 1245309494 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im thinking of how to construct the proof in a way that you will accept. < 1245309533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take your time. < 1245309541 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i will. i will take my time. < 1245309551 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when im done, you'll be just as wrong. < 1245309552 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not too long < 1245309565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1245309641 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so. < 1245309671 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, limiting this to two lists for a simple proof. < 1245309688 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your lists are size a and b, respectively < 1245309700 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual time is a*b, precisely. < 1245309712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1245309717 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your time is theta (a+b)^2 < 1245309734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1245309736 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a+b)^2 > a*b < 1245309756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1245309765 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is no c such that c(a+b)^2 < a*b for all a, b < 1245309814 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a*b is a simple hyperbolic saddle < 1245309823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a but there is no c such that c(a+b)^2 < a*b for all a, b <<< right, of course there isn't, but all we need is for there to be such a worst case for every n that it it is < 1245310111 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there is such a c < 1245310132 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that is not what theta (a+b)^2 means. < 1245310254 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would also point out that the nested loops version has varying time depending on the sorting of the items. assuming presorting from lowest to highest list size, the algorithm gets a (minor) improvement < 1245310264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it is what theta(n^2) means, the *worst cases* of the algorithm, for input size n, n^2 sandwiches them < 1245310273 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol < 1245310276 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a+b = c < 1245310278 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're wrong < 1245310281 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1245310283 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+b = n < 1245310295 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because n^2 == (a+b)^2 < 1245310311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst cases for given a and b where a+b=n are different than those for given n < 1245310330 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+b = n in all cases, oklopol. < 1245310445 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, i think i can see what you're trying to do. < 1245310500 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if im right, you're simply abusing the terms worst case. < 1245310503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you're not taking worst cases for a given n, if you separate it into a and b such that a+b=n < 1245310515 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're taking the worst case of a given a and b < 1245310518 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, this is where you're abusing the terms worst case. < 1245310538 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your equation, you have these two variables. this is inescapable. < 1245310556 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot simply collapse them into one and then ignore the fact that they're two independent variables < 1245310633 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your "worst case" is the worst case curve for the algorithm ignoring the actual equation you used and instead treating it as tho you're not doing a cartesian product < 1245310638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1245310684 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, i agree, in that particular case, you're right that cn^2 is strictly lower than (a*b)^2 < 1245310706 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is also a c where they are equal, i believe. < 1245310804 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that i could be wrong, really < 1245310805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going by a definition of omega that for a given n, there is such an input, |input|=n, that T(input)>f(n). < 1245310824 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is wrong, then in fact i was wrong, and it seems it is wrong. < 1245310852 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont even know what that definition is saying < 1245310860 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omega means strictly bound below < 1245310879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T(input) means amount of steps, and i should've said T(input)>cf(n) for some c>0 < 1245310890 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since your equation, and the function, is two dimension, its false that it is strictly bound below by (a+b)^2 < 1245310892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|input| is the size of input < 1245311052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Omega means strictly bound below <<< yeah but does it mean worst case is bound from below, or that simplest case is bound from below? < 1245311053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought worst case. < 1245311066 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means the whole thing is bounded. < 1245311091 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does that mean exactly? that for all inputs, it's bounded from below? < 1245311097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the function < 1245311099 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole function. < 1245311113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i have a different definition. < 1245311125 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your definition is wrong < 1245311146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... bubblesort doesn't have a theta bound? < 1245311159 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's O(n) for sorted input < 1245311162 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea. < 1245311167 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n) is just upper bound. < 1245311171 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and O(n^2) otherwise < 1245311187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n^2) and omega(n) < 1245311195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no theta < 1245311205 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure that's a stupid definition < 1245311208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dunno. < 1245311211 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1245311231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1245311240 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no worst case for a cartesian product < 1245311241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it's not a stupid definition < 1245311243 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor a best case < 1245311256 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre all the same. < 1245311286 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1245311292 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way you're going by worst case there is < 1245311303 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given some input of size whatver to be sorted < 1245311317 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the WORST possible arrangement that is possible? < 1245311336 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, isn't that right? < 1245311347 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bubble sort i think it's sorted in reverse order < 1245311352 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but theres no way to define that on a cartesian product < 1245311356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm acknowledging i'm wrong about omega, and therefore about theta too < 1245311380 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there is NO partition of n elements that will take longer than any other partition of n elements < 1245311393 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there? < 1245311406 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there might be, sorry :D < 1245311411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst case is even distribution < 1245311436 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. ok. < 1245311441 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if i have a fundamental definition wrong (which i still have a hard time believing), i'm not judging you for that error. < 1245311442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1245311491 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then in the worst case, it is theta n^2, yes. < 1245311537 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in that case it is also precisely n^2 < 1245311558 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i said earlier. < 1245311621 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless, it is O(n) time over the number of elements in the cross product < 1245311673 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, its T(n) < 1245311712 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just in worst case, precisely. < 1245311748 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL i just realized where the problem probably lies: omega doesn't define whether it's worst case or simplest case, it's just about functions :P < 1245311757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case we'd both be right < 1245311759 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, oklopol. :P < 1245311839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really think on irc, if someone's attacking me. < 1245311891 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you should get out of academia < 1245311900 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can do it irl < 1245311907 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, but as we all know, the university is dooms, and irc will supplant it! < 1245311911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what's so different about irc < 1245311921 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its text. you have more time to think. < 1245311924 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking fucks people up! < 1245311999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1245312000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1245312004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe! or maybe it's the fact i need to start answering right away, or they might just assume i'm not going to answer. < 1245312010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't happen irl, because they see me < 1245312018 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that. < 1245312081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it turns out i'm right, but i have to leave irc for a few minutes to see why. < 1245312099 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'm right, but no time to explain why" < 1245312175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ what my brain says to me during a heated antidiscussion. < 1245312197 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets just have makeup sex < 1245312209 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this talk is making me weary. < 1245312228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm calm again, so i guess i'd prefer reading < 1245312236 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww :( < 1245312240 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but makeup sex! < 1245312282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure you're too far from me for that :) < 1245312286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much surer than usually < 1245312293 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since no one knows where i am, not even me < 1245312304 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you surely might be closer! < 1245312322 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, finland :P < 1245312372 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the World Champion's from Finland! < 1245312414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland, yes, but i'm not where i live. < 1245312466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm hidden. < 1245312473 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1245312479 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a wanted criminal? < 1245312485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not really hidden, i'm just not home. < 1245312493 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hidden oklopol, crouching augur. < 1245312499 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wardriving obv < 1245312500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, but i thought about telling everyone here i killed a man and went to jail. < 1245312505 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, crouching in front of hidden oklopol < 1245312512 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill leave the rest to your imaginations. < 1245312526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wardriving? < 1245312533 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wardriving. < 1245312543 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardriving < 1245312546 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wardriving is the act of searching for Wi-Fi wireless networks by a person in a moving vehicle, using a portable computer or PDA. < 1245312567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's actually useful < 1245312573 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1245312583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU FOR EXPANDING MY HEAD < 1245312586 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should do a google-maps addon with wifi signal strength < 1245312593 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO PROBLEMS SIR < 1245312617 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should add that into streetview < 1245312621 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to irritate the privacy guys more < 1245312659 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol nah, an overlay would be better < 1245312673 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the cars < 1245312675 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the actual software < 1245312681 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1245312689 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cars for streetview < 1245312693 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should get wifi strength < 1245312698 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about them < 1245312704 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while they take pictures that irritate governments < 1245312720 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use full sentences please < 1245312730 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your ideas are fragmented and hard to grasp < 1245312778 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because I was hoping that you'd have figured it out by the end of each fragment < 1245312788 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Streetview has cars that drive around taking pictures < 1245312797 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those cars should also take wifi strnegth < 1245312801 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, google has cars that drive around < 1245312808 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :streetview has pictures taken by those cars. < 1245312816 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok. < 1245312834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do those cars have humans inside < 1245312838 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the maps would display this data like any other google maps overlays < 1245312839 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"$ man 3 sleep" -> "No manual entry for sleep in section 3. See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available" -> "$ man 7 undocumented" -> "No manual entry for undocumented in section 7" < 1245312845 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, we've imported robot cars from japan < 1245312850 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so < 1245312874 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are robot cars even legal (although you are probably in a different country to me) < 1245312887 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed you're both in different countries from eahc other < 1245312894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not here, probably not anywhere < 1245312906 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well probably somewhere, but anyway. < 1245312938 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I know, a car is allowed to drive automatically as long as someone is on the drivers seat < 1245312960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds more plausible < 1245313057 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the google streetview cars are piloted. < 1245313084 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello Wonderful Kitty < 1245313087 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you? < 1245313107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1245313628 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o < 1245313632 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /o < 1245313635 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o < 1245313636 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: what are you < 1245313639 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /o < 1245313643 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \oo\ < 1245313646 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /oo/ < 1245313649 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \oo\ < 1245313651 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /oo/ < 1245313656 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |o | < 1245313662 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245313662 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245313662 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : >\ < 1245313676 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : >\ < 1245313678 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : >\ < 1245313681 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : >\ < 1245313684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1245313685 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : >\o/ < 1245313686 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      | < 1245313686 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     /< < 1245313686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1245313687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1245313688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1245313689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1245313691 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokoko < 1245313693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1245313695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1245313698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1245313703 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1245313703 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1245313703 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko\o/okoko < 1245313703 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    | < 1245313704 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   /`\ < 1245313712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8| < 1245313718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope that was just delay on my screen < 1245313737 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was? < 1245313742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1245313744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is myndzi a bot < 1245313746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1245313746 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | < 1245313746 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |\ < 1245313751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :P < 1245313755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, took a sec < 1245313757 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1245313757 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245313757 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |\ < 1245313763 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | \ < 1245313769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because it failed the first one < 1245313769 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | \ < 1245313771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't it < 1245313783 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1245313784 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245313784 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/| < 1245313790 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245313792 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1245313796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[10:26] \o/ < 1245313796 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    | < 1245313796 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   /< < 1245313797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1245313804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't paste multiple lines < 1245313809 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \m/ < 1245313812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was the first one. < 1245313817 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1245313822 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \m/ < 1245313823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :body was detached from the head < 1245313825 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1245313829 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1245313829 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245313829 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : >\ < 1245313834 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : > \ < 1245313835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/\m/ < 1245313835 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : > \ < 1245313850 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1245313850 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245313850 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |\ < 1245313851 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It "fails" if you use an IRC thing that aligns stuff so that the beginnings of messages match up, instead of the beginnings of nicknames. < 1245313862 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1245313862 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245313863 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : >\ < 1245313865 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1245313865 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245313865 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/'\ < 1245313869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i think i heard GregorR say that, had no idea about context, was just skimming < 1245313872 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1245313872 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245313872 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : >\ < 1245313878 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1245313878 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245313878 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/< < 1245313888 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess that doesn't explain failing that lament thing, since their nicknames are equally long. < 1245313907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this thing matches beginnings < 1245313915 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a webirc < 1245313980 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are y\o/u using a pr\o/p\o/rti\o/nal f\o/nt? < 1245313980 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      |              |   |     |       | < 1245313980 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     /´\            /<  /|    /|      /| < 1245313989 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madness! < 1245314002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally < 1245314010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you questioning my sexuality < 1245314019 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sings Infected Mushroom < 1245314028 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, :D which < 1245314045 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm becoming insane, insane, insane, insane, insane, i'm becoming insane, insane, insane, insane, insane, i'm becoming insane, insane, insane, insane, insane, i'm becoming insane, insane, insane, insane, insane < 1245314052 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo < 1245314058 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you sing the Spanish too? >_> < 1245314094 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voy perdiendo, perdiendo, voy perdiendo, perdiendo, voy perdiendo, perdiendo, voy perdiendo, perdiendo < 1245314108 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's toy < 1245314111 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure < 1245314118 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going insane < 1245314119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's voy < 1245314126 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be either < 1245314129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's voy is become < 1245314133 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1245314137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ver or something is become < 1245314153 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's probably toy < 1245314154 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also go) < 1245314183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what toy means, but i'm assuming that should mean the same thing as the english one < 1245314193 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infected mushroom is coming to my city - ten days after i leave :( < 1245314241 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::{ < 1245314326 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infected mushroom is psychedelic music i think < 1245314327 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :innit? < 1245314333 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1245314344 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1245314362 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some goa influence too. They do have some traditional-y techno trance though < 1245314364 0 :tombom!i=tombom@82.12.17.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245314365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like genre? < 1245314372 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1245314374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just adjective < 1245314380 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god is Erez Eisen tasty < 1245314388 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is, child < 1245314406 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would just like to point out once again that genres are stupid, mainly because i don't know them. < 1245314407 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't hear any goa influence there < 1245314424 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goa is boring shitty music that uses indian scales. < 1245314434 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infected mushroom is awesome cool shit that uses israeli scales. < 1245314464 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is gracenotes a person or a bot? < 1245314465 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're quite superficially similar, related to major phrygian mode < 1245314474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :musical shit would've been a better term < 1245314480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1245314483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1245314484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm < 1245314488 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: yes but it's not an influence < 1245314489 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shalom, shalom, .. < 1245314496 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm Erez Eisen < 1245314504 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I dunno. I think I hear it in the instrumentation. < 1245314508 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should listen to infected mushroom more < 1245314509 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: infected mushroom is pretty clearly influenced by israeli music < 1245314525 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is where that scale is coming from < 1245314533 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make sense < 1245314546 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since Erez Eisen and whoever the other guy is are israeli :p < 1245314555 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: mushroom is way more varied though < 1245314567 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i just hate goa < 1245314592 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i enjoy goa. but only certain pieces. < 1245314595 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like everything else. < 1245314596 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1245314600 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a huge fan of goa < 1245314605 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly < 1245314649 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the impression i got from goa < 1245314651 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I really like Juno Reactor's adoption of some goa themes < 1245314666 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idioms if you will < 1245314673 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that they were just trying to do the same thing traditional indian music already does, but much more poorly < 1245314705 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(goa much more poorly than traditional) < 1245314717 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what traditional indian music "does" < 1245314746 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, you like Juno Reactor somewhat? < 1245314750 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard it < 1245314754 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1245314787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems like a good time to answer, augur: freecell is a game that comes with windows, deck is randomized in a few stacks all cards showing, and you need to dig up all suits in their separate stacks in ascending order with a few rules constraining moves. < 1245314792 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, lots of bands out there :) I first heard them when they collaborated with The Matrix soundtrack producers < 1245314806 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were the ones who wrote the great car chase music in the 2nd movie < 1245314819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a card game, a solitaire < 1245314830 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen it :) < 1245314834 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1245314865 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: OH < 1245314868 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freecell < 1245314870 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1245314903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freecell is good for when i want to feel smart without thinking. < 1245314914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not feel smart, more like waste time < 1245314935 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i want to feel smart, i go to a programming channel that isn't #haskell < 1245314942 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant gratification < 1245314950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read rwh < 1245314950 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#python great fun < 1245314978 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i was just reading it today < 1245315021 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want someone to tell me i didn't dream all the tons of errors that wouldn't show up in simple test runs, but are so blazingly obvious they make the reader cry < 1245315040 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not tons, but at least 3! < 1245315062 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw one but it was just a wrong variable name < 1245315077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first 200 pages are mostly error-free < 1245315083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's downhill < 1245315112 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just bought it for the cover! < 1245315137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh the only error i remember now - should've written them down or shut up probably - is that they use a height for a width < 1245315171 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1245315184 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg this is so tasty D: < 1245315184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make this algorithm for reading barcodes < 1245315223 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8===D < 1245315240 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use a certain simple scheme the find out what the digits are, when they're not sure, based on the checksum digit < 1245315244 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a tarte flambee for dinner < 1245315256 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm at least 30% sure it can only correct the first digit. < 1245315260 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a slightly modified recipe (two or three tbsp butter) < 1245315267 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which made it sooooo much tastier < 1245315279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test run only tested a case with exactly the first digit wrong, which at least somewhat supported my theory. < 1245315456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had the book so i could find the errors that are worth sharing < 1245315631 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-14-65.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245317205 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1245317214 0 :tetha!n=hk@pD950F894.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245317555 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1245317583 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol theres actually a channel #spam < 1245317615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM SPAM WONDERFUL SPAM < 1245317630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpaofigjipodjgiojdfsiogjdiofjg < 1245317642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1245317682 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has missed you < 1245317704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1245317707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol < 1245317722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you said something about internet issues yesterday? What was that about? < 1245317893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my regular internet stream got dammed by the Company, because i didn't pay the bills (i accidentally them behind a radiator!) < 1245317913 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1245317921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some internet flowed around my apartment for a while < 1245317943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then came summer drought. < 1245318093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, oerjan, it's you! < 1245318292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks around shiftily < 1245318343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever painted a fish < 1245318375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i can recall. i think they're quite awkward to paint on < 1245318463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realized today that i'm not sure whether i've ever tried drugs. < 1245318467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if live yes < 1245318468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember < 1245318469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1245318481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the fish that is) < 1245318493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean not because of blackouts, i just don't remember. my life is just so damn long. < 1245318500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S/liv/aliv/ < 1245318503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :live drugs sound disturbing < 1245318528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, as opposed to pre-recorded drugs? < 1245318542 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, as opposed to unliving ones < 1245318544 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no < 1245318553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, zombie drugs? < 1245318586 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are thinking of undead. admittedly that also sounds disturbing, although perhaps less so < 1245318620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than living ones? < 1245318623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1245318692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd that wikipedia doesn't have a page about bogosearch, since it implements it < 1245318706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([[Special:Random]] that is) < 1245318725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random shuffles the whole wp? < 1245318734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that would be bogo_sort_ < 1245318740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, yeah < 1245318740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said bogosearch < 1245318775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Live drugs" sounds like some sort of all-natural all-organic fresh-from-the-field drug thing. < 1245318776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i just don't really see what people write, they just loosely guide me to semi-sensible answers. < 1245318828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bogosearch may not have a bad enough O() < 1245318844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably O(n) on average < 1245318848 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bogo? < 1245318866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, couldn't some drugs be extracted from animals? In theory. If you can extract poison for darts from some sort of toad, why couldn't you find some other toad where you could extract a drug instead? < 1245318878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bogosearch = random elements until you find what you're looking for? < 1245318898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, a live drug would be not bother extracting it, but just eating it raw and alive < 1245318906 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245318924 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's a joke < 1245318945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I always wondered how one figure out the O() for an algorithm. Especially when it isn't O(n) or O(1) (those are quite simple to figure out) but something like O(log log n) < 1245318984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, sure about Special:Random until you found what you wanted would be O(n)? < 1245318997 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming only one page satisfies your criteria < 1245319008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that yes < 1245319019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if it's not there you have a problem < 1245319025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1245319026 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst case is infinite of course < 1245319030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1245319036 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1245319045 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big O notation doesn't work very well for probabilistic algorithms X3 < 1245319051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure doe < 1245319053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*does < 1245319071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you take the worst case average probability over all inputs < 1245319078 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a random walk has O(infinity) < 1245319078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1245319081 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG it's impossible < 1245319081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :average time < 1245319096 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you can't use the same definition ofc < 1245319109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what you usually use is what i said there, plus correction < 1245319135 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each lookup has 1/n chance of finding the item < 1245319163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming uniform randomness of course) < 1245319194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for an algorithm, it's just simple math < 1245319211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can you construct a bogosearch with _worse_ average time... < 1245319213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the probability of using m lookups is (1-1/n)^m * 1/n < 1245319255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum m/n * (1-1/n)^m to get the expected value < 1245319272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*^(m-1) < 1245319295 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bogosearch, but it returns a certain page n times in a row on average before returning a new random page < 1245319299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is the "sum" there same as $$\sum$$ ? < 1245319318 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah < 1245319325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right < 1245319334 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you mean "$\sum$"; or does something use a double-dollar thing with TeX-like maths? < 1245319344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it worse you would essentially have to throw away found information? < 1245319365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think $$ may be equivalent to \[ ? < 1245319365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err, probably mixed it up < 1245319371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1245319375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so it is < 1245319375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only vaguely < 1245319380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1245319386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why both exist < 1245319388 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is, but you could be right. < 1245319398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think what you want to think < 1245319416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reboot" < 1245319430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have seen maxima's "to tex" thingy generate double $$, when pasted into lyx it turns into \[ iirc < 1245319432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well look at that, there he goes again < 1245319442 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, $$ is the "inherited from plain TeX" thing. < 1245319454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why change it to \[ < 1245319519 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Using the plain TeX notation $$ ... $$ for displayed equations is not recommended. Although it is not expressly forbidden in LaTeX, it is not documented anywhere in the LaTeX book as being part of the LaTeX command set, and it interferes with the proper operation of various features such as the fleqn option." < 1245319565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1245319581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the time delay there was looking up wth "fleqn" was) < 1245319610 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1245319634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb oerjan < 1245319646 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245319997 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try "echo > >(less)" over ssh < 1245320002 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does strange stuff < 1245320042 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i notice if i "yes > >(less)" and ctrl-c it terminates my ssh session < 1245320079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" > >"? < 1245320088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1245320098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out what on earth it does < 1245320117 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :">(less)" is the process substitution thing. < 1245320118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<(less) I know, but what is >()? Same but for input? < 1245320132 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1245320132 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1245320135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1245320171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that turns into echo > /dev/fd/something & less /dev/fd/something in other words... < 1245320178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1245320190 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the ">(less)" part turns into a "/dev/fdX" type of string which is the write end of a pipe, the read end of which is used as input to less. < 1245320191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two different something < 1245320214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it actually runs "less /dev/fd/somethingelse", just "less" with stdin coming from that pipe. < 1245320216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and this is probably complicated by the fact that echo is a builtin < 1245320236 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns into "echo > file-descriptor-pointing-to-stdin-of-less" < 1245320260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, doing comm <(foo) <(bar) turns it into "comm /dev/fd/something /dev/fd/somethingelse" < 1245320261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's file-descriptor-pointing-to-a-write-end-of-a-fifo-which-has-the-read-end-as-the-stdin-of-less. < 1245320264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe not for the command inside < 1245320285 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fifo as in what you get with the mkfifo command? or something else? < 1245320301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what you get from pipe(2). < 1245320315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is different from mkfifo < 1245320330 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it doesn't have a name. < 1245320331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkfifo creates a fifo file on disk < 1245320341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sure it does. "a pipe" < 1245320350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean the actual instance? right < 1245320353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a filesystem-name. < 1245320356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1245320368 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bubblesort considered harmful < 1245320391 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1245320464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from this follows that the reason for *nix like OS being used for many servers is that they have good pipe supports, which is handy when working with the tubes of the internet. < 1245320473 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :............... < 1245320495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/supports/support/ < 1245320514 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not pipe supports to? < 1245320516 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=============== < 1245320520 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | | | < 1245320520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, indeed why not < 1245320532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, I think you aren't using a fixed font for irc? < 1245320536 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1245320550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are more supports than pipe there < 1245320552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by far < 1245320594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the pipe part is still under construction. < 1245320613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, probably < 1245320622 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually ran into an animated "under construction" .gif rather recently. It was very nostalgic. < 1245320632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hehe < 1245320651 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :===============O===========\ < 1245320651 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | | | | | \\ < 1245320651 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | | / \ | | \\ < 1245320661 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should look fine in fixed width < 1245320666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1245320669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who is that guy < 1245320669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some values of fine, yes. < 1245320674 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres also a person pretending to be a pipe support < 1245320679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1245320682 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pipe goes through his head. That looks uncomfortable. < 1245320716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, isn't he standing just in front of the pipe rather? < 1245320718 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vennamo.com/pict/CONBTN2P.GIF < 1245320731 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's in-one-ear, out-of-the-other. < 1245320755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why selecting to open that link in the browser instead opened it in gimp < 1245320787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, big ears then < 1245320789 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange; it has the sensible image/gif mimetype and all. < 1245320810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah, if mime-type is wrong it tends to try to open them in khexedit instead.. < 1245320875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :klipper is the "it" here < 1245321063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: opus 10 is nice. < 1245321130 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1245322310 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1245325613 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1245325896 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"YES -> thor-ainor.it <- THIS IS *DELICIOUS*!" < 1245326920 0 :MigoMipo!i=c1b7fd21@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d315b948a878f27a JOIN :#esoteric < 1245327442 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1245328693 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1245332221 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Patashu/SteampunkX - MSN = Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM = Patashu0 , YIM = Patashu2 ." < 1245332744 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/get-the-facts/browser-comparison.aspx < 1245333670 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the what? "Developer tools: Of course Internet Explorer 8 wins this one." < 1245333674 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, of course. < 1245333713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the checkmark approach. You should use IE because none of the alternatives have either security or privacy at all. < 1245335906 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245336558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab isolation? < 1245336652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, like chrome I think < 1245336713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think i've tried / will ever try chrome? < 1245336810 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tab isolation means running each tab in a separate process or some-such, so that if one tab crashes, the whole browser won't come crashing down. < 1245336823 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I think they could just make the browser, you know, not crash. < 1245336844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, guessed it'd some kinda non-feature < 1245336864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guessed it was that non-feature < 1245336875 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently tab isolation means increased memory usage, too, since there's some stuff that could be shared but is not. At least according to some people. And you know you can trust [some people]. < 1245336914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err... what sort of stuff < 1245336926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, bits < 1245336930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1245337023 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, it was just a quote from the interwebs. I don't care about the topic so much than I'd bothered to have read more. < 1245337050 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bits, trust me < 1245337052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always bits < 1245337057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that most (if not all) modern OS share the read-only parts of executable files (shared libraries and executables) between different instances? So you end up with just one copy of libc in memory for example < 1245337063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, usually. < 1245337071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some exceptions to this < 1245337080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even i know that < 1245337089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fizzie is a nerd < 1245337093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he definitely knows < 1245337106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, if you didn't compile the code as position independent and it ended up needing to be reallocated, it would be copied. < 1245337146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but iirc windows doesn't use PIC in DLLs, so I guess it could be affected quite badly by that if any dll ends up being reallocated. < 1245337153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PIC? < 1245337156 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I gather there's quite a lot of not-read-only state in gecko or whatever the rendererer is called; I have no clue whether some of that can be optimilized in the "multiple tabs, single process" case more than the "multiple processes with separate memory spaces" one, but it doesn't sound completely unbelievable. < 1245337167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Position Independent Code < 1245337170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that's what < 1245337172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1245337183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you could use mmap() to share it < 1245337190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a bit more than just mmap() < 1245337202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically mmap() + a few other system calls < 1245337209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do shared-memory trickery, but I'm also not sure they do. < 1245337297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, consider settings like "home page, size of disk cache" and what not. Of course they can't be in .rodata. What you do is simply to have one process with it mapped read-write (the controller process), and the tab processes have it mapped read-only < 1245337317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the user wasn't to change it after intitial load of browser it wouldn't even require that < 1245337324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would just work, since fork() does COW < 1245337333 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, again, it's another point of complexity. < 1245337337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, most of this doesn't apply to windows. which iirc doesn't do COW... < 1245337342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is true. < 1245337391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I argue you can solve it with close to zero increased memory usage. Of course memory will increase slightly. If by nothing else, at least due to kernel having to manage more processes, requiring more task structures and so on. < 1245337396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't really have an onion on tab isolation; I just am a bit unsure why it's being hyped like it's the best thing since sliced bread that crashing tabs don't crash the browser, I'd rather the tabs not crash. < 1245337436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, browsers will always has bugs. Just realise it. As soon as you add javascript that is. < 1245337446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it becomes very large. < 1245337461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, all features of javascript < 1245337469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rendering stuff too < 1245337471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1245337475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear this IE8 never crashes < 1245337535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can make a small browser if it is just to render basic html and possibly handle simple javascripts. But that would result in something like "w3m extended" < 1245337536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess bugs exist, but I still think it's a bit disturbing if it's so common-place that you'll have to jump through hoops to minimize damage. Not that I'm against modularity. < 1245337594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if so, why do OSes use rings and protected memory < 1245337597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it isn't needed < 1245337624 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit different thing to be executing someone else's native code. < 1245337638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, isn't that was plugins is all about? < 1245337650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1245337657 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would hope plugins are well isolated, yes. < 1245337659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has been a treat, see you in a few months! < 1245337663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, and this is hilarious, plugins aren't restricted by the tab thingy < 1245337665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1245337666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it breaks the API < 1245337670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, cya < 1245337674 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that has anything to do about whether to run each tab in a separate process. < 1245337679 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: OH NOES BYE BYE < 1245337683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)))))))))))))))))))))))) < 1245337685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"PJIRC @ http://webirk.dy.fi" < 1245337720 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why on earth am I even in this discussion? It's not like I care about tab-schmizzolation at all.) < 1245337725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes, but they can't be sandboxed. IIRC the tab separation thing is also about adding sandboxing to prevent non-intented system calls and such :) < 1245337733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder that too < 1245337741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back reading about SSA form < 1245337755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to preparing slides. < 1245340054 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245341146 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1245341489 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-14-154.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1245341637 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-178-111.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1245341818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net" < 1245342016 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows doesn't do PIC or COW or... Wow. How very backwards. < 1245342055 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux doesn't pick cows either. < 1245342058 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So give it a break. < 1245342109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it does have PIC and it does COW on forks. < 1245342127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as would any sane OS. Seriously, COW at page level is trivial.) < 1245342229 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ modprobe pickcows < 1245342229 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cat /sys/bus/cows/pick < 1245342229 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, Bessie? < 1245342230 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ < 1245342232 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you're right! < 1245342317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ò_ó < 1245342477 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1245342641 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CESSMASTER, master of cesspools, has a very odd nick ... DRAMATICALLY! Can one "have" dramatically? < 1245343243 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245343846 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1245344076 0 :ais523!i=93bc1b55@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3103960107fc7d90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245346538 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just reverted multiple weeks worth of changes to the autocomposer :P < 1245347173 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a master of cesspools < 1245347176 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a master of cess < 1245347184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1245347243 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cess is just what you find in a cesspool, right? :P < 1245347339 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw < 1245347423 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cess is a game played on a 7x8 board < 1245347619 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, is a game played on a 3x8 board? < 1245347754 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 5x8 < 1245347847 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how big es boards are.  < 1245348108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1x8, of course. < 1245348124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The layout is as follows: < 1245348139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kp PK < 1245348274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, solve it! < 1245348306 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245348720 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: 6x8 < 1245349006 0 :ais523!i=93bc93e6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ea3b532504506ea7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245349662 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245350189 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1245350932 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245351698 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-103-181.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1245351780 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1245352533 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1245353504 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-6-249.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1245354295 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245356413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:50:15 GregorR-L, I never met people so stupid here in Sweden FYI < 1245356416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a moron < 1245356420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid != unknowledgeable about computers. < 1245356445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:47:45 ehird: The weirdest thing is that everyone AGREES to the wrong definition ... < 1245356446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1245356448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is odd < 1245356463 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's beyond ignorance. Ignorance is fine. < 1245356464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's one person who gets it right < 1245356483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: they legitimately think that and haven't been exposed to any contrary definition < 1245356491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what part of that involves them being stupid? < 1245356511 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it was stupid, just that it's not /just/ unknowledgeable/ignorant. < 1245356537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: what is it, then? < 1245356557 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on how they came to know that definition. < 1245356561 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either stupid or misinformed. < 1245356601 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sheer consistency suggests a minority population stupid and majority population misinformed. < 1245356682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1245356703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: but that just reflects people in general < 1245356708 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'struth < 1245356731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, you could make an argument most people are stupid, but misanthropes aren't very good statisticians :P) < 1245356733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ / / < 1245356763 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: What are you, antimisanthropic? Misanthropes are people too. Stupid fucking idiots, like all people, but still people. < 1245356782 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was difficult to write X-P < 1245356787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antimisanthropic. < 1245356789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, mismisanthropic? < 1245356804 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the winner of this year's Miss Misanthropic prize is, < 1245356846 0 :whtspc!n=chatzill@g234109.upc-g.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1245356851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I'm antimisantidisestablishmentarianism. So I'm against people who think that everyone who opposes the removal of the Church of England's status as the state church of Ireland and Wales are stupid. < 1245356874 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, I see. < 1245356884 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know what, so am I. < 1245356901 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you're an -ism? < 1245356912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jism. People who don't like the J programming language. < 1245356935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: hurf durf < 1245356937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ism/ist/. < 1245356945 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surf the hurf durf? < 1245356963 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The correct response, by the way, is "not on my turf!") < 1245356977 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does somebody not like J? < 1245357008 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's just poor man's APL? < 1245357017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CESSMASTER: Because they're nazis. < 1245357028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Oh, yeah? Well, so's YOUR MOM. < 1245357032 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is a multi-millionnaire playboy. < 1245357034 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yous a bourgeois < 1245357048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burgeroisie < 1245357058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is opposed to the mere idea of a state church < 1245357058 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ber-jwa < 1245357070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION opposed to the mere idea of a church :P < 1245357075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^is < 1245357090 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ist < 1245357118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats ehird with nontheist religions < 1245357134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What have nontheist religions got to do with churches? < 1245357155 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them possess something that could be called a "church". < 1245357161 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats pikhq with phrases that needlessly dilute the meaning of perfectly meaningful words. < 1245357175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That would require me to support nontheist religions, too. < 1245357179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Unfortunately, "church" has too many meanings. < 1245357189 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :David slowed his pace as his ears, antimisantidisestablishmentarianism. < 1245357189 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about "religion" < 1245357194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all religions are superstitious, so I don't see why your argument should hold water with me. < 1245357196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1245357202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Buddhism is a nontheist religion. < 1245357211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Religion is just a superstitious belief system. < 1245357215 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is math. < 1245357227 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the belief in the law of excluded middle is superstitious. < 1245357242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I'd so spend the time rebutting that but I do it way too fucking much :) < 1245357254 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament : It is not superstition, it is axiom < 1245357263 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: so is the existence of God. < 1245357265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr religions have several factors differing themselves in major ways to mathematics < 1245357266 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math people don't have to think it true < 1245357276 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sometimes, they don't < 1245357285 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's plenty of logic without excluded middle < 1245357307 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intuitionist logic nigger < 1245357342 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I the only person offended by Slereah's needless use of a racially-loaded word? Why has nothing been done about this, e.g. a kickban. < 1245357363 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. < 1245357373 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Last warning. This is a nigger-free channel. < 1245357380 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that racist? < 1245357383 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :............................................... < 1245357395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Because (a) nobody gives a shit, (b) he's from the *chans, so he gets a free pass, (c) we pretty much have an anarchy (yeah okay lament's gonna do something just to dissuade that notion :)), (d) you have /ignore and finally (e) you're probably trolling me. < 1245357402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... --- ... < 1245357419 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he's from the *chans"??? < 1245357426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah was born in /b/. < 1245357428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True story. < 1245357433 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1245357438 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ehird doesn't care because he is a /prog/lodyte) < 1245357450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: We are much more esteemed than your ilk. < 1245357461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, GregorR-L, nigger. < 1245357475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but I am of Slashdot. < 1245357478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1245357479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, ehird, goatse.cx < 1245357492 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : /prog/ is full of tablecats and shit < 1245357493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ais523 left because we're talking about niggers. I will bet $10 on this.) < 1245357508 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one step removed from /vip/ < 1245357514 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you need is some more JEWS < 1245357516 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1245357521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: the /vip/ people are invading /prog/ < 1245357548 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1245357549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: coolfreeringtones.on.nimp.org < 1245357559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: don't < 1245357575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh come on, nobody would click that. < 1245357585 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is COOL FREE RINGTONES! < 1245357597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyway, why didn't you warn me about his goatse.cx link? < 1245357600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very offended. < 1245357634 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, DQN made a real COOL FREE RINGTONES < 1245357639 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Goatse.cx no longer exists, anyways. < 1245357646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wrong. < 1245357648 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could use a custom ringtone on my cellphone, it would be that < 1245357650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It exists, it just doesn't have goatse on it. < 1245357657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1245357659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a goatse. < 1245357660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen about the top 50 pixels of goatse < 1245357663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. < 1245357663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not a NSFW goatse. < 1245357667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's SFW. < 1245357674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was loading very slowly, and I guessed it was goatse before it had fully loaded < 1245357680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I looked away and pressed back on the keyboard < 1245357681 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]" < 1245357683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I saw the rest of it < 1245357708 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dqn.dqn.lol.googlepages.com/COOL_FREE_RINGTONE.mp3 < 1245357710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first time I saw goatse was when the computer i used was in clear view of anyone in the living room with just a flick of their head < 1245357712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it loaded quickly < 1245357712 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COOL FREE RINGTONE < 1245357718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was an agonizing leap for the close tab button :D < 1245357728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after the obligatory 3 seconds of shock) < 1245357958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:52:23 lament, spiders < 1245357958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:52:26 is the technical term < 1245357968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hereby accuse AnMaster of taking lament seriously. < 1245357970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever. < 1245357998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:54:36 he should fix align. To not assume mirc style. I think mirc is rather uncommon in this channel < 1245358005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only common client doing other things is xchat < 1245358014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi, limechat, clog... all do it the mirc way < 1245358022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe not chatzilla < 1245358024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but w/e < 1245358027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a few use chatzilla < 1245358066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ERC might do it by default too < 1245358070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there < 1245358129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:01:39 I find irssi a very poor irc client < 1245358129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:01:45 unless you stay on freenode only < 1245358132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is poor about irssi < 1245358156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:02:55 pikhq: VMWare on OS X, which is garbage-o and 32-bit even on a 64-bit proc. < 1245358158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just install linux < 1245358169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:02:30 it seriously messes up on irc servers with more prefixes than +%@ < 1245358169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:02:41 like those having ~& too < 1245358170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... no it doesn't < 1245358262 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-178-111.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1245358273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Hello, not-nigger. < 1245358284 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your stupidity can't fool me, I have logs :P < 1245358351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants their mind frazzled < 1245358360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"semiconductor intellectual property core" < 1245358363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_intellectual_property_core < 1245358402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURF DURF. < 1245358472 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUTTER EATER < 1245358504 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up from drinking a glass of melted butter, to his chagrin. < 1245358522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI I'M ON METAFILTER AND I COULD OVERTHINK A PLATE OF BEANS. < 1245358580 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1245358767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:39:24 It wouldn't have been that complicated to figure out that it was PROBABLY on the Wikipedia page "Gold" X_X < 1245358768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:39:24 Yeesh < 1245358770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=%22Gold+reacts+differently,+depending+on+subtle+relativistic+effects+that+affect+the+orbitals+around+gold+atoms.%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 < 1245358774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only the first result and all < 1245358795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:41:12 quicksearch? < 1245358795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:41:33 Deewiant, an alias for asking ehird on irc :D < 1245358806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's (\_ -> undefined) < 1245358833 0 :c_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245358932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:47:07 GregorR, is this a reference to Discworld? < 1245358941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is a discworld reference if all you know is discworld. < 1245358978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:49:34 Since, well... New DVDs are $10. RedBox rentals are $1/night. < 1245358978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:49:37 What's the point? < 1245358984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and piracy is $0/forever! < 1245359011 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Not in the US :P < 1245359029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: what kind of piracy costs money? < 1245359031 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a stochastic $0 or $rand(1, 100)K < 1245359037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apart from the reselling kind < 1245359037 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The kind you get caught and sued for. < 1245359048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: the riaa hasn't actually won against anyone. < 1245359057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly out-of-court settlements < 1245359071 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many in-court cases have they had? < 1245359077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tons. < 1245359083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: anyway, what if you jaywalk right after getting a redbox dvd < 1245359087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1245359089 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORLY? I thought almost everybody settled out of court *shrugs* < 1245359094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1245359095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1245359097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I meant < 1245359102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've never won anything < 1245359110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just extorted money from people out of court < 1245359126 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but if they've had "tons" of in-court cases they lost, that's significant. < 1245359139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:52:12 or tv < 1245359139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:52:44 I have no TV either, I do have an old VHS unit < 1245359143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28694 < 1245359150 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they were doing more of a we-don't-want-to-really-go-to-court-because-if-we-lose-then-we-lose-all-clout thing. < 1245359177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible they've settled every single case out of court. < 1245359184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fairly sure they haven't won. < 1245359199 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So am I, but I thought it was because they'd never gone to court. < 1245359205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The RIAA's goals[1] are: < 1245359205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to protect [...] the First Amendment [...]" < 1245359207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Wikipedia < 1245359214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Uh, I'm fairly sure they have gone to court. < 1245359225 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okidokie, Idonno *shrugs* < 1245359234 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not one case that has gone to court is done yet. < 1245359283 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly one has even had the initial court case go through all the way -- and that case in question was pronounced a mistrial, IIRC. < 1245359287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in question// < 1245359354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've had a fuckton of settlements. < 1245359458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: metric fuckton? < 1245359487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or imperial < 1245359547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SI fuckton. < 1245359587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: erm, metric = SI usually < 1245359593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for meter kilo etc < 1245359601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metric system, a system of units developed in France in the 18th century < 1245359602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :International System of Units, or Système International (SI), the international system of units since 1960, a subset of the former < 1245359605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED. < 1245359651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some units are metric but not SI. < 1245359668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subset, beyotch. < 1245359674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"metric foo?" "SI" < 1245359676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ nonsense < 1245359681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing if foo is in SI < 1245359683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some SI units are not metric. < 1245359686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "metric fuckton" → "SI fuckton" is sily. < 1245359692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wikipedia disagrees. < 1245359840 0 :GregorR-L_!n=gregor@pal-178-189.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1245359867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:09:04 then shut the fuck up with your stupid bullshit 13:09:20 you do this all the fucking time 13:09:46 you dont pay attention to the channel, and then you get into these fucking arguments because you dont know what the fuck people said 13:09:52 but you act like you DO know < 1245359872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people angry at anmaster make me glee with glee. < 1245359875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, glee is a verb < 1245359917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:19:56 oerjan, I don't have time to try to figure out what this joke is. So I won't. < 1245359929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in such a hurry that he has no time for IRCing; which is why he wasn't talking in here. Wait. < 1245359986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, logreader extraordinare. < 1245359995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's kind of an addiction. < 1245359996 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes, as a verb is one way you can sheeple glee. < 1245360006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L_: Stop weirding language. < 1245360019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:30:13 --- join: oklopol (i=oklopol@a91-156-18-48.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #esoteric < 1245360019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:30:23 what's new < 1245360021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:39:29 --- nick: comex -> c_ < 1245360023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:39:58 well, see you in a few months :) < 1245360025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:40:12 or, well, when internet starts flowing in my apartment again < 1245360027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:40:14 -> < 1245360029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:40:19 --- quit: oklopol ("PJIRC @ http://webirk.dy.fi") < 1245360031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY A FLEETING GLIMPSE < 1245360033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT MY HEART HAS GROWN FONDER < 1245360037 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1245360050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:18:36 wow < 1245360050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:18:44 why would Xorg be using 1.2 gb ram? < 1245360051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it sees you aren't using your 12gb < 1245360054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it decided to take 10% < 1245360065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:26:48 Wow. Zicam can cause anosmia. 'Fun'. < 1245360067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only causes < 1245360080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURF DURF HOMEOPATHY < 1245360082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am currently doing something very, very silly. < 1245360093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1245360103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This brought to you by IRC in Screen via SSH from a virtual machine to localhost. < 1245360108 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Zicam can cause anosmia" // wtfbbq? < 1245360110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The virtual machine in question is running Cygwin. < 1245360118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L_: Zicam is a retarded homeopathic thing. < 1245360133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has bad side effects!!!12121 < 1245360196 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1245360217 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it do anything useful? :P < 1245360224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L_: It's homeopathy. < 1245360238 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it purported to do anything useful? :P < 1245360243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix colds. < 1245360295 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah maze ing. < 1245360328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, uh, why are you surprised homeopathic "remedies" aren't fluffy bunnies and magical cures? :P < 1245360347 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245360352 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-L < 1245360366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In September 2003, Zicam (which claims on its label to be "homeopathic") faced lawsuits from users who claimed that the product negatively affected their sense of smell, and sometimes taste. In January 2006, 340 lawsuits were settled for $12 million.[9] In early 2004, at the height of the controversy" < 1245360372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to date! < 1245360379 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1245360380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, so on the 16th the FDA told people not to use it. But c'mon.) < 1245360404 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you know that "natural" = "safe"?! < 1245360415 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go out into the forest and eat anything you can find, and you'll be healthier! < 1245360428 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially leaves with weird prickly bits or bright colors. < 1245360430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Well, if they literally just did the dilution a ton of times (so it's more effective, you see) into water, it'd be perfectly safe! < 1245360440 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha < 1245360453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the provably more than the agent amounts of Francis Bacon's pee in it are feeling particularly toxic today. < 1245360461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow that was an awkward sentence < 1245360464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell I wrote it non-linearly? < 1245360469 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNRELATED: Y'know what would be hill-larry-us? If gaylick.com was a homoerotically-themed Gaelic language learning site. < 1245360481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1245360506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:38:10 --- join: oklopol (i=oklopol@a91-156-18-48.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #esoteric < 1245360506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:38:15 morning < 1245360507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:39:45 i'm not a programmer < 1245360509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1245360511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKLOPOL < 1245360513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY LOVE < 1245360537 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're creepin' us out here :P < 1245360547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: SAYS MR HOMOEROTIC GAELIC < 1245360554 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GAYLICK < 1245360556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick! Type faster than ehird can read! < 1245360560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE SHALL NEVER CATCH UP! < 1245360564 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUAHAHAHA < 1245360569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: NOOOOOOOO < 1245360570 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't though. < 1245360598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Egobot could if you let him. < 1245360612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIRD REICH IS LIKE A BIKE < 1245360624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i once wrote a thingy that let you spawn a ton of clients and synchronize them talking < 1245360631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and used it to do some one-message-per-user floodin < 1245360631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1245360633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: third reich < 1245360634 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the pgimeno is a guy in fnord flares and a superman cape flying through a computer science wookie. i expected something better. < 1245360634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was great < 1245360641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could spit out 300 lines in like 30 seconds < 1245360679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:56:50 oklopol, whats your opinion of a programming language where you have to take certain core pieces of code, all of which are full programs, and compose them together to get other programs < 1245360681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, uh < 1245360686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called point-free functional programming < 1245360753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[To many people, including Ron Owens, the word "some" refers to a relatively small amount in between "none" and "most". But To Ron's employer, and especially in the context of "job responsibly include... some maintenance of legacy VB6 applications"]] < 1245360762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"most maintenance of legacy VB6 applications" < 1245360766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolfailure :P < 1245360784 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Whereas writing functional code in VB is called pointless functional programming? < 1245360799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Well, lambdabot's @pl stands for pointless :P < 1245360803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just trying to avoid that joke. < 1245360813 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Where's that quote from? < 1245360817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:08:32 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/For-The-Love-Of.aspx < 1245360820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fourth linking of it today < 1245360824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it happens again in the logs < 1245360827 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/For-The-Love-Of.aspx // fifth < 1245360832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:08:32 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/For-The-Love-Of.aspx 21:08:32 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/For-The-Love-Of.aspx 21:08:32 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/For-The-Love-Of.aspx 21:08:32 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/For-The-Love-Of.aspx 21:08:32 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/For-The-Love-Of.aspx 21:08:32 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/For-The-Love-Of.aspx 21:08:32 http://thedailywtf.co < 1245360834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m/Articles/For-The-Love-Of.aspx 21:08:32 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/For-The-Love-Of.aspx 21:08:32 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/For-The-Love-Of.aspx < 1245360837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seven billiont < 1245360839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1245360849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the O(abcdefghijklmnopqr) algorithm. ^_^ < 1245360866 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1245360892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:18:24 God, a bare minimum of 2^18 function calls. < 1245360894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er are you sure < 1245360897 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1245360912 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've come up with an algorithm for solving the traveling salesman problem that's O(n) in its running time. < 1245360919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Cool. < 1245360923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: You can get $1,000,000. < 1245360929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n)? seriously? < 1245360930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1245360931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Now, where's the bit of that that's inaccurate? < 1245360931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1245360936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it just means P=NP < 1245360942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but I highly doubt Warrigal proved that < 1245360945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: even if P=NP, it wouldn't be O(n) < 1245360949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be O(n^something) < 1245360955 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it _could_ be... < 1245360957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that for certain, though? < 1245360964 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "in its running time", I mean n = running time. < 1245360973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: ah, aha < 1245360974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION claps. < 1245360983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Count on Warrigal to do stuff like that. < 1245360984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Brooks Brown, Lucasarts: If Monkey Island re-release sells, other Lucasarts adventure titles will follow!" < 1245360989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Warrigal -----### < 1245360989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: celebrate with me! \o/ \m/ < 1245360989 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                           | < 1245360989 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                           |\ < 1245360993 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably pretty certain that there are no linear time algorithms for solving the NP-complete problems. < 1245360993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you oerjan < 1245360995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: celebrate with me! \o/ \m/ < 1245360995 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                           | < 1245360995 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                          /< < 1245361003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh no \m/, I forgot how to trigger that thingy :P < 1245361033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need two, stupid < 1245361041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are _hands_ < 1245361041 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\a/ \b/ \c/ \d/ \e/ \f/ \g/ \h/ \i/ \j/ \k/ \l/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \p/ \q/ \r/ \s/ \t/ \u/ \v/ \w/ \x/ \y/ \z/ < 1245361042 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                   `\o/´   | < 1245361042 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                     |    /´\ < 1245361042 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                    /'\ < 1245361042 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                  (_| |_) < 1245361046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: \m/ \o/ \m/ < 1245361050 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \m/ < 1245361051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: \o/ \m/ \m/ < 1245361057 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ < 1245361058 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :          `\o/´ < 1245361058 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :            | < 1245361058 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        (_|¯'¯|_) < 1245361064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a penis < 1245361068 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :( < 1245361070 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1245361077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: but that means he has really fucking tiny legs. < 1245361080 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he added penises wherever he could < 1245361094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi and Slereah should hook up. < 1245361102 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ < 1245361102 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         `\o/´ < 1245361102 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :           | < 1245361102 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :          /`\ < 1245361102 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        (_| |_) < 1245361112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ \o/ < 1245361112 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                `\o/´                   | < 1245361112 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  |                     >\ < 1245361112 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              (_|¯´\ < 1245361112 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   |_) < 1245361121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ < 1245361127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:| < 1245361131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ < 1245361135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shoots myndzi < 1245361135 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shoots ehird < 1245361138 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm huge!)> \m/ \m/ \o/ <(I'm tiny!) < 1245361138 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 `\o/´                 | < 1245361138 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   |                  /´\ < 1245361138 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  /'\ < 1245361138 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                (_| |_) < 1245361175 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dicks are about the same size, though < 1245361188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o-o-o-o-o/ <(We're holding heads!) < 1245361188 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       |   |   | < 1245361188 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       |\  >\ /| < 1245361194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1245361199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245361201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245361201 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | < 1245361201 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  >\ < 1245361207 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: if there is any polynomial algorithm for an NP-complete problem, it's not that unlikely that one has a linear one, since different NP-complete problems don't need to have the same polynomial < 1245361214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245361215 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   | < 1245361215 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1245361215 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  /< < 1245361215 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245361215 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |\ < 1245361220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245361220 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    | < 1245361221 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   /< < 1245361223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245361223 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     | < 1245361223 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     |\ < 1245361226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reductions between them are only polynomial, not linear, after all < 1245361226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245361226 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      | < 1245361226 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      |\ < 1245361234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: Actually, it's hard to get a penis. < 1245361234 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /o\ < 1245361234 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    | < 1245361234 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   /| < 1245361238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ < 1245361241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ < 1245361241 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     `\o/´ < 1245361241 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       | < 1245361241 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      /'¯|_) < 1245361241 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    (_| < 1245361245 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245361251 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is myndzi a ROBOT? < 1245361251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ < 1245361252 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      `\o/´ < 1245361252 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1245361252 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       /´\ < 1245361252 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     (_| |_) < 1245361253 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Conclusion: Actually, it's hard to get a penis. // add this to your out-of-context quote list forever. < 1245361255 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1245361259 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245361260 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245361262 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245361264 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245361265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Well, I have to become gay now just for you. < 1245361266 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245361266 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      | < 1245361266 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      >\ < 1245361268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245361268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245361268 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1245361268 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        >\ < 1245361269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1245361269 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1245361269 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        >\ < 1245361274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD MUTANT. < 1245361285 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Conclusion: Actually, it's hard to get a penis. // add this to your out-of-context quote list forever < 1245361287 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it's impossible for any NP-complete problem to have an O(n) solution. < 1245361287 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1245361290 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mis-copy X_X < 1245361299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:41 GregorR-L: Miss Copy X_X // add this to your etc < 1245361301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: in fact it's easy to do it by cheating, if you have one (just pad the input of one polynomially) < 1245361309 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : GregorR-L: Well, I have to become gay now just for you. // add THIS to your out-of-context quote list forever < 1245361309 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Erm < 1245361314 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're right. < 1245361326 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is doing a bad job. < 1245361415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM MOSES < 1245361434 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Arguably you can solve the "some idiot gave me too damn much data" problem in O(0) time by simply never taking all after some value n, then turning your "linear" algorithm into a faster non-linear one :P < 1245361470 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some idiot gave me too damn much data :( < 1245361470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: what? < 1245361483 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: YOUR MOM, THAT'S WHAT < 1245361484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: um that only works if you can find the answer from the first n data < 1245361512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's O(1), not O(0), i think < 1245361515 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought you were talking about turning e.g. an O(n^2) problem into an O(n) problem by just always providing junk data as part of the "input" < 1245361520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(0) = O(1) < 1245361525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: yes, i was < 1245361527 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /never/ doing something is O(0) :P < 1245361528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := O(A(g64,g64)) < 1245361529 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, it isn't < 1245361534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1245361538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(constant) always = O(constant), no? < 1245361547 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no < 1245361548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess O0 may be an exception. < 1245361553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1245361555 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(bleh) is all functions computable in time bleh*k which is a constant. < 1245361559 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0*k is not the same as 1*k < 1245361564 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(\o/) < 1245361564 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   | < 1245361564 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  /´\ < 1245361569 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although 2*k just means you need a smaller k. < 1245361574 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, i can get a penis. < 1245361579 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: now that's an O-class I like < 1245361596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yes, but do you have a big O to put it in? < 1245361605 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1245361606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION SMOOOOOOOOTH < 1245361606 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bow chicka bow wow. < 1245361622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: more for the out-of-context quote list? < 1245361744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: and of course as you say, it will work for turning it into faster than linear O(n^(1/k)) as well < 1245361804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even more, but then the resulting problem will not be NP-complete < 1245361824 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today, on Useless Problems in Computing < 1245361861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:33:46 your problem is not that you stop thinking when you get annoyed with me < 1245361861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:33:50 its that you never start thinking. < 1245361868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur oklopol isn't going to fuck you if you keep insulting his intelligence. < 1245361883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :padding may be practically useless, but it is an important technique for theory iirc < 1245361943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants O(n^{A(G,G)}) < 1245361944 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*will not be NP-complete because it will require superpolynomial time to add the padding and reduce to it < 1245361958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 21:45 ehird: = O(A(g64,g64)) < 1245361960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alike we think. < 1245361970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: anyway, that's trivial to construct artificially ofc < 1245361974 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Except that yours is O(1) < 1245361978 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1245361978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1245361984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was using it to demonstrate that :P < 1245361996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touché. < 1245362007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurs to me that I only have one patch to a public open source project that I know of < 1245362016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm such a leecher :D < 1245362063 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/NPR-Is-Reading-My-Email,-Just-Fix-It!,--More-Support-Stories.aspx // second one in here is awesome < 1245362129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, < 1245362202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gitweb.factorcode.org/gitweb.cgi?p=factor/.git;a=commitdiff;h=0719d8365337981d4ee2cc9c5f26be2fe023084d < 1245362207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was then promptly rewritten by slava as < 1245362208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gitweb.factorcode.org/gitweb.cgi?p=factor/.git;a=commitdiff;h=86e5ddf449aa283ca3894b46b43cdd23df13bec7 < 1245362227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1- signal-names nth; ← this is actually a syntax error :| < 1245362231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(needs a space before ;) < 1245362236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i amended it without checking. < 1245362310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:54:52 Out of curiosity, anyone with a good MIDI setup willing to do something with Opus 9? < 1245362310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:55:22 Make an Ogg, really. < 1245362320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there! I'm barry scott asking if you have problems with the OS X soundfont < 1245362323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : this has been a treat, see you in a few months! <-- what, no!! < 1245362327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? Good! I'll make a ... wav, I guess. < 1245362330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then flac it. < 1245362350 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also acceptable. < 1245362353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had just temporary access? :( < 1245362361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it sounds a bit whiney at points but meh < 1245362366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such is midi < 1245362400 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245362667 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1245362706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: as soon as I install flac you shall have it < 1245362742 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice work on not having it already, BTW. :P < 1245362747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't give me any of that flac < 1245362757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: meh. < 1245362763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itunes doesn't support flac < 1245362766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have no general use for it < 1245362775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i last reinstalled feb < 1245362780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to upgrade to leopard < 1245362805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opus 9 sounds... very italian. < 1245362815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you agree, GregorR? < 1245362815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(who is probably away) < 1245362822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: T3h lame. < 1245362836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: meh, ALAC (apple's lossless) works for playback purposes < 1245362839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a bit bigger < 1245362890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm going to lzma --best both the .flac and the .wav and upload the smallest out of all of them :P < 1245362892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no particular reason < 1245362912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright. I strongly suspect straight FLAC is the winner. < 1245362941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lzma inflates the flac, obviously < 1245362961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, I can play ALAC, as well. < 1245362976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALAC is just for my music library :P < 1245362976 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1245362979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was reverse engineered back in '05, is now in libavcodec...) < 1245363037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yah, lzma is 30mb vs flac's 18.3 < 1245363041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lzma is 30.2 :P < 1245363048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1245363056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzip2 might do better but LAZY < 1245363058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even 7zip < 1245363061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specific compression scheme FTW! < 1245363068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uplodding < 1245363086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7zip uses LZMA. < 1245363102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1245363108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but 7zip might compress it better < 1245363109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than lzma(1) < 1245363118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... No. < 1245363120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1245363125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7zip and lzma both use liblzma. < 1245363129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1245363135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same damned code doing the compression. < 1245363138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but if they didn't; 7zip could e.g. have an equivalent to -9 < 1245363142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ok, I just didn't know that < 1245363150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/didn't;/didn't,/ < 1245363150 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Slereah: Last warning. This is a nigger-free channel. <-- ROFL < 1245363152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245363167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i just got that < 1245363168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1245363175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slowpoke < 1245364177 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reappears. < 1245364186 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Like most great Italian tangos, huh :P < 1245364347 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245364437 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: So, where's the FLAC? :P < 1245364455 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really want to hear this on slightly-better MIDI :P < 1245364466 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That melody was stuck in my head for literally years before I wrote that, btw) < 1245364478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION observes that Opus 8 is a great piece. Not getting the 'Italian' bit, though. < 1245364497 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9? < 1245364515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he did say 9, didn't he. < 1245364522 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say, since I've not heard the damned thing. < 1245364533 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a tango. < 1245364540 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tangos are not Italian :P < 1245364569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, really? < 1245364574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1245364624 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I put up my ogg, btw :P < 1245364630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00ts. < 1245364695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wgetting... < 1245364710 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may recommend waiting for ehird's. < 1245364717 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My MIDI instruments for that are pretty terrible. < 1245364737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wgot. < 1245364758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Shit, that's terrible MIDI. < 1245364777 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1245364778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like, there's only a handful of samples that are getting pitch-shifted. < 1245364779 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is. < 1245364798 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, my current MIDI doesn't do cello well at all (you can barely hear it) < 1245364801 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence, wait for ehird's. < 1245364823 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't listen to more. ehird, hurry up. < 1245364924 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1245364958 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is with all the MIDI soundfonts having terrible strings. < 1245364970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1245364994 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1245364998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme know if you find one with good strings; I need to bother installing soundfonts for my MP3 player. < 1245365004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hooray, Rockbox) < 1245365090 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chorium is good with everything /except/ strings. Actually, it's strings aren't bad, they just assume legato. < 1245365095 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, legato and largo, really. < 1245365118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is great and all, except that Opus 9 breaks its assumptions. < 1245365118 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cello in Chorium takes roughly six minutes to get from "started playing a note" to full volume. < 1245365135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1245365284 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1245365305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 minutes? < 1245365377 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exaggeration for emphasis :P < 1245366239 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what format media-convert.com uses, but it would be perfect if the violins weren't inaudibly quiet. < 1245366712 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1245366717 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not points free programming < 1245366728 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said full programs, not fill functions < 1245366894 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://w5.media-convert.com/convert/index.php?pg=getmyfile&key=-1&xid=bdtmhple < 1245366904 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty good, although the violin isn't great. < 1245366945 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1245366981 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245367055 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1245367061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Appears to be an ogg. < 1245367089 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be because it is an ogg. < 1245367101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, indeed. < 1245367217 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, somebody bringing this up really makes me want to somehow find an ensemble to perform it. < 1245367262 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who here plays violin, viola, or cello? < 1245367269 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of. < 1245367273 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not good enough. < 1245367377 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ← cellist < 1245367392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <- singer. < 1245367398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plays violent -----### < 1245367414 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you need someone to help perform "Kill Yourself", I'm your man. :P < 1245367421 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i don't know how anybody can complain about too many violins on television" < 1245367429 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1245367437 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of the line from Misty < 1245367443 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"walk my way / and a thousand violins begin to play" < 1245367450 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nnuuuurrgh < 1245367465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUN! RUN AWAY! < 1245367606 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :love can be very emotionally painful < 1245367611 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that line conveys that wonderfully < 1245367622 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps too well! < 1245367658 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /~(_)~\ < 1245367658 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :=: =====II < 1245367658 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \_(~)_/ < 1245367697 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1245367702 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a violin < 1245367705 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta < 1245367750 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks more like a god knows what < 1245367773 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like some shit i saw at the BEMF < 1245367795 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend ended up buying that gamba he saw there < 1245367802 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1245367820 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he have aspergers? < 1245367841 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he's just a little bit odd < 1245367847 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a musicology major < 1245367862 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always wanted to do that < 1245367879 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until i realized how retarded it is < 1245367908 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was at this concert at a guitar society < 1245367914 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone was, like, playing guitars < 1245367930 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this one guy had this fucked up thing with an extra neck that had ~20 sympathetic strings < 1245367936 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1245367951 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he played the most boring shit ever < 1245367965 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with his eyes closed and great passion < 1245367981 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for like ten minutes. really boring stuff that sounded like early music < 1245367988 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao < 1245367993 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think the sympathetic strings added anything either < 1245367998 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guitars are for chumps that don't want to play a lute < 1245368044 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man i saw a keyed harp there too < 1245368049 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a silly instrument < 1245368213 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I uploaded the score in .pdf. < 1245368217 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now get playin' :P < 1245368236 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing WHAT < 1245368255 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music.php // Opus 9. People brought it up again recently and it annoys me that it's MIDI :P < 1245368597 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ACMESTRESS < 1245368606 0 :ACMESTRESS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1245368610 0 :ACMESTRESS!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MACTRESSES < 1245368627 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked ACME Stress < 1245368807 0 :MACTRESSES!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ASSCRESTME