00:00:14 <augur> he's on the wrong drugs, man
00:00:19 <GregorR> Sounds like bullshit to me.
00:00:27 <ehird> GregorR: http://lwn.net/Articles/262570/
00:00:34 <ehird> For values of bullshit equal to "rms said it".
00:00:40 <ehird> It is very efficient use of his time.
00:01:11 <augur> im sure what he means is
00:01:14 <augur> he doesnt browse the web
00:01:19 <augur> which frees up a lot of his time
00:01:20 <ehird> augur: Just read it, man.
00:01:38 <augur> theres no way he browses the web like normal people do, given that.
00:02:46 <augur> no getting lost in wikipedia's web of links
00:02:54 <ehird> this much is very obvious
00:03:47 <AnMaster> ehird, what did you think about that music?
00:04:01 <ehird> 23:47 ehird: AnMaster: that song is ok. i mean, i like the basic style, but it's still of typical game music quality
00:04:02 <ehird> 23:47 ehird: s/song/track/ for accuracy
00:04:10 <ehird> AnMaster: Might wanna expand that backlog.
00:04:17 <ehird> You DID say something the line after...
00:04:33 <ehird> "Even functions are functions! I invented this concept. Just like Steve Jobs will one day." — why the lucky stiff
00:04:36 <ehird> http://hackety.org/potion/
00:07:13 <AnMaster> <ehird> "Even functions are functions! I invented this concept. Just like Steve Jobs will one day." — why the lucky stiff <-- I'm not sure what he means with "even functions are functions"... But depending on what he means I think that has already been done...
00:07:23 <ehird> It's called "a joke".
00:08:10 <ehird> '... probably Philip K. Dick'.
00:11:32 <AnMaster> yes I realised it was some joke
00:11:38 <ehird> AnMaster: That was an extra joke.
00:11:54 <ehird> The first joke was "Xs are objects! Ys are functions! EVEN FUNCTIONS ARE FUNCTIONS!"
00:12:06 <ehird> AnMaster: and Steve Jobs & Apple "invent" and "innovate" many things that they didn't
00:12:26 <ehird> For instance, the Macintosh was the first GUI — invented by Steve Jobs — modulo Xerox Parc, and the team of Apple engineers who designed it.
00:12:39 <ehird> (it=macintosh in the latter clause)
00:12:49 <AnMaster> ehird, strange, but just 10 minutes ago I was reading about Xerox Alto
00:13:17 <ehird> Well, I mentioned it yesterday, but huh.
00:13:26 <ehird> It was a nice system. I would like one.
00:15:20 <AnMaster> ehird, I knew of the "Xerox being first" thing for ages, but I was reading about the actual computer model. Haven't found any good screenshots of it's GUI yet...
00:15:45 <ehird> http://toastytech.com/guis/alto.html
00:16:03 <ehird> Protip: When in want of GUI stuff, check guidebookgallery.org and toastytech.
00:17:58 <ehird> Another example of Smalltalk running on a later model Alto or Star. Smalltalk provided its own GUI environment that included pop-up menus, windows, and images later referred to as icons.
00:17:59 <ehird> This is what Steve Jobs saw when he visited PARC. Apple went back and implemented a more robust system and added pull down menus, desktop drag and drop, the menu bar, the Apple system menu, and modern copy and paste.
00:18:02 <ehird> http://toastytech.com/guis/altost2.jpg
00:18:30 <ehird> [[Xerox had no interest in producing a general purpose computer. They were, and still are, a company who's products revolve around the creation and use of paper documents. They saw the general purpose computer, electronic documents, and electronic document transfer, as a potential threat to their existing business. ]]
00:18:33 <ehird> And this is why Xerox will die.
00:20:05 <ehird> AnMaster: have you seen sketchpad?
00:20:15 <AnMaster> ehird, is that the early vector thingy?
00:20:47 <ehird> Yeah; probably the one I got #1 on reddit for.
00:24:11 <AnMaster> that toastytech consistently writes "origional" instead of "original"... Strange
00:24:52 <ehird> Well, it is some 1996 site complete with "YARR IE 5 SUCKS" and animated gifs and the like: http://toastytech.com/
00:24:59 <ehird> GUI collection is very valuable though.
00:25:32 <ehird> Well, it's not unupdated.
00:25:40 <ehird> There's some youtube references and stuff.
00:26:01 <ehird> (The above sentence being proof that 's isn't "is" in a whole lot of cases)
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00:33:05 <ehird> "Intel's 34nm NAND SSDs launch in two weeks" —The Inquirer, 26 June
00:33:08 <ehird> please be true please be true
00:48:18 <ehird> WTF! Google result pages have quite a big margin now. Too much change. Do not want.
00:49:55 <pikhq> Intel also to launch 34nm CPUs in $SOON.
00:50:50 <ehird> pikhq: But these SSDs are going to be really gooooood prices.
00:51:19 <ehird> Estimated is 320GB for price of current 160GB (~$630), 160GB for price of current 80GB (~$320), 80GB for ~$150
00:51:51 <pikhq> That's approaching the prices I can see someone actually having one in their computer.
00:52:15 <pikhq> Granted, $150 could get you a terabyte with ease, but you're not exactly buying SSD for the storage density, now are you? ;)
00:52:50 <ehird> $150 is an awesome price for 2x snappiness increase in common operations.
00:56:03 <pikhq> It's a price point at which I can see someone not spending heaps of cash on their computer actually getting one, yes.
01:03:16 <ehird> ?djin (a -> b -> c) -> (a,b) -> c
01:03:20 <ehird> ?djinn (a -> b -> c) -> (a,b) -> c
01:03:25 <ehird> @djinn (a -> b -> c) -> (a,b) -> c
01:10:47 * ehird ports the #haskell discussion of UIs here.
01:10:54 <ehird> I wish it was feasible to make a good UI system.
01:25:53 * ehird nabs lost of ideas from Potion.
01:28:07 <ehird> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_(computer_science) ← Ropes are awesome.
01:28:25 <ehird> They do everything strings do, with direct indexing just being a liiiittle bit slower in some cases.
01:28:33 <ehird> And then beat the shit out of them with sub-linear common operations.
01:28:48 <ehird> Constant concatenation (including prepending).
01:28:51 <ehird> Logarithmic substring.
01:28:54 <ehird> Logarithmic indexing.
01:29:03 <ehird> (indexing is amortized constant, though)
01:29:18 <ehird> (you could add flattening ropes into one node as part of your GC-esque task)
01:29:32 <ehird> I wonder if ropes would be good as vector replacements too
01:29:56 <pikhq> There's a trivial way to make a good UI system. First, invent the direct mind-computer interface.
01:30:14 <pikhq> Second, you know the rest.
01:30:37 <ehird> pikhq: You still need an in-mind UI.
01:30:53 <ehird> But yeah, that's good and all, but I'm waiting for the singularity for that.
01:31:20 <GregorR> `addquote <pikhq> First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. <pikhq> Second, you know the rest.
01:31:22 <HackEgo> 21|<pikhq> First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. <pikhq> Second, you know the rest.
01:32:29 <ehird> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <pikhq> First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. <pikhq> Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE.
01:32:31 <HackEgo> 22|IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <pikhq> First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. <pikhq> Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE.
01:32:51 <pikhq> ehird: Ah, Dinosaur Comics.
01:33:21 <ehird> pikhq: You're an expert on Olde English. What would you ask someone for if you were asking for themself?
01:34:23 <ehird> pikhq: But it's from the perspective of that agent.
01:34:27 <ehird> Just like "foo: name?"
01:34:39 <ehird> "foo: blah?" (is foo)
01:34:47 <pikhq> I am not sure what you're asking.
01:35:12 <ehird> pikhq: You can ask an agent (foo) for things like:
01:35:38 <ehird> pikhq: What would it be for the thing that makes it give you the agent (foo) in Olde-style English?
01:35:55 <pikhq> In this context? "Yourself".
01:36:14 <ehird> pikhq: But that's not olde!
01:36:24 <pikhq> (þou is the second person singular *familiar*, you covers all the rest.)
01:36:53 <pikhq> Fine, fine. "Yourſelf".
01:43:09 <ehird> New! Drag and drop
01:43:09 <ehird> Drag messages into labels and labels onto messages.
01:43:11 <ehird> Your labels moved up here
01:43:13 <ehird> To get you started, we put your most used labels here and hid the labels you use the least under "4 more".
01:43:22 <ehird> Don't do that shit to me.
01:43:24 <ehird> You're CHANGING STUFF.
01:43:46 <ehird> The four more aren't labels, just Starred, Chats, All Mail and Bin, so I guess I don't really use much stuff huh.
01:44:28 <ehird> pikhq: I wanted to as well, but wake me up when you have conversation-style layout, flexible labels instead of stupid folders, truly awesome search, ...
01:44:44 <ehird> I had a project but then I realised I was duplicating years of Google man effortt.
01:44:54 <ehird> Also writing desktop apps sucks like shit.
01:45:01 <pikhq> I have conversation-style layout...
01:45:15 <pikhq> Not labels or awesome search, sadly.
01:45:55 <ehird> pikhq: That means "the emails of a thread in order in one frame, instead of hitting the 'next' key all the time and having to bat backwards and forth."
01:46:34 <pikhq> Strictly speaking, I hit the "Page Down" key to go to another email. ... And to go down a page in my email.
01:47:07 <ehird> So what you're saying is threaded layout, not conversation layout.
01:47:09 <ehird> That's not what I said.
01:47:30 <pikhq> GOOGLE HAS AJAX AND WEB2.0 AND THATS EVIL.
01:48:04 <ehird> pikhq: I'm a less principled man than you in face of usability :P
01:48:47 <pikhq> I just have a radically different idea of usability than most.
01:48:54 <pikhq> ... Most of that idea involves telling programs to fuck off.
01:49:03 <ehird> Programs suck, documents rule.
01:49:15 <ehird> Unfortunately 90% of existing OSs disagree.
01:49:18 <ehird> I want to punch said OSs.
01:49:26 <ehird> (Smalltalk gets it, though.)
01:49:47 <pikhq> Smalltalk seems to get a lot right.
01:51:00 <ehird> pikhq: BTW, know how you said using Plan 9 was tempting? If you use nothing but Plan 9 on your personal desktop(s) for a month, and actively use the computer during this time, I'll, uh, do nothing but stand by and idly be amazed at how either you're (a) incredibly flexible with tools or (b) amazingly capable of just playing Hunt the Wumpus and using IRC via a socket for a month.
01:51:42 <ehird> nescience: That did a lot.
01:51:45 <nescience> supports multiple players who can therefore kill each other
01:52:09 <nescience> it's too much text to run on irc, it operates via dcc chat
01:52:19 <ehird> Welp, I can't use dcc.
01:52:25 <ehird> Client don't know none of dat shit.
01:52:37 <GregorR> nescience: ehird uses a shit client, ignore him.
01:53:02 <nescience> Client connects to Server and sends:
01:53:07 <nescience> When Server receives this, it sends:
01:53:07 <nescience> lemme see if i can remember the port
01:53:15 <ehird> 2966 says the dcc request
01:53:16 <nescience> Connection is established, users can now chat.
01:53:29 <nescience> that's the port for that dcc session
01:56:23 <ehird> % telnet 216.231.36.84 2421
01:56:23 <ehird> Trying 216.231.36.84...
01:56:24 <nescience> actually 2422 might be a telnet interface
01:56:26 <ehird> Guess it's not 2421.
01:58:58 <nescience> i think that's actually a telnet interface, forgot i had it
02:00:04 <ehird> To enter the caves, speak thy name.
02:00:07 <ehird> Egads, what a mouthful! (try a different nick)
02:00:12 <ehird> Now to spell it right.
02:00:22 <nescience> yeah, i don't recall what that error is for
02:00:37 <nescience> but i started in character mode telnet so it didn't work well, i got that error a bunch
02:00:46 <ehird> I think the space kicked it off or sth.
02:01:26 <ehird> pikhq: I task you with making unicode symbol entry easy in OSs. Plz make <thing>cent<another>, <thing>forall<another> and the like work, by searching fulltext without spaces (i.e. f,o,r,a,l,l) and with some reordering stuff.
02:01:30 <ehird> (I'm trying to use jewnicode)
02:01:53 <nescience> on an irc client, it colors lines because you see other people's status lines
02:01:59 <nescience> allowing you to deduce their location and shoot them ;)
02:02:40 <nescience> i have a map that has only 5 rooms and one that has like 50
02:02:51 <nescience> and some various ones inbetween .. i have a lot of fun with that game on occasion :)
02:03:00 <nescience> also there's a high score thing but i think it doesn't save when i exit mirc
02:03:27 <ehird> I have a short attention span
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03:25:21 * ehird reads a Chick tract which starts by raping evolution and then turns to raping fundamental particle physic
03:26:21 <oerjan> it's so much easier to get your religion just right when you don't need to worry about the actual universe. *sigh*
03:26:48 <GregorR> What is a "Chick tract" and how is it distinct from a "tract" ...
03:27:02 <ehird> GregorR: Jack Chick's special brand of fundamentalist bullshit.
03:27:08 <ehird> http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp
03:27:15 <ehird> Things that are not real: (a) evolution, (b) gluons
03:27:21 <pikhq> GregorR: Hilarious reading if you forget that he's serious.
03:27:42 <oerjan> active shocking pages?
03:28:00 <pikhq> Among other things, he's claimed that Tolkien and Lewis were antiChristian satanists.
03:28:04 <ehird> Actively shitting p-onscience.
03:28:37 <pikhq> (Tolkien being a noted Catholic fantasy author, and Lewis being about as obnoxiously Christian as you can get while still seeming to have *some* grasp on reality)
03:28:56 <ehird> pikhq: What grasp would this be?
03:29:00 <ehird> HURR GIANT LION IT'S LIKE CHRISTIANITY
03:29:07 <ehird> HURR LET'S WRITE TONS OF BOOKS ABOUT THINLY-VEILED CHRISTIANITY
03:29:13 <ehird> I WAS AN ATHEIST ANGRY AT GOD FOR NOT EXISTING. THAT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT?
03:29:27 <pikhq> That was only the Chronicles of Narnia.
03:29:38 <ehird> Actually the last one was his personal account
03:29:39 <oerjan> well it is hard to be an atheist angry at god for _existing_, isn't it
03:29:43 <pikhq> Most of the rest were just straight-up Christianity.
03:30:17 <pikhq> Though he did a nice completely non-Christian retelling of a few Greek myths.
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03:30:51 <ehird> Tolkien was massively racist, wasn't he?
03:31:06 <ehird> rationalizationamationa[...]wetn?
03:31:15 <ehird> I know i18n, but not _this_.
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03:31:52 <ehird> pikhq: wikipedia agrees with you
03:32:07 <ehird> He was horrified by the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, referring to the scientists of the Manhattan Project as "these lunatic physicists" and "Babel-builders".[88]
03:32:13 <ehird> I cannot, however, forgive insulting Feynman.
03:32:55 <pikhq> Feynman is too badass to insult.
03:33:41 <pikhq> Also too likely to crack your safe for the hell of it.
03:34:07 <ehird> http://www.soapier.com/reddit_alien_molds.htm
03:34:19 <ehird> Reddit alien + Bacon smell = übersoap
03:34:55 <ehird> although I'm not sure I'd like my hands to smell of bacon afterwards.
03:34:59 <ehird> Scratch that, yes I would.
03:35:02 <pikhq> GregorR: Reading the Chick tract?
03:35:08 <ehird> I want people to think I eat bacon constantly.
03:35:14 <ehird> They'll be soooo jealous.
03:35:16 <pikhq> ehird: Smell of bacon?
03:35:20 <pikhq> Merely *smell* of bacon?
03:35:30 <ehird> pikhq: I don't want to have any more desire or I'll be handless.
03:35:34 <pikhq> I want bacon in my hands after I wash my hands!
03:35:46 <pikhq> That would be truly übersoap.
03:35:51 <ehird> pikhq: Just figure out a way to use ACTUAL BACON as soap.
03:37:57 <ehird> http://www.chick.com/tractimages16113/1059/1059_18.gif
03:38:02 <ehird> This is just so absurd.
03:38:36 <GregorR> pikhq, ehird: I wonder what their definition of "most scientists" is :P
03:38:46 <pikhq> GregorR: I wish I knew.
03:38:51 <ehird> "Creationist '''''scientists'''''"
03:39:18 <pikhq> Also, I saw "vestigial pelvis" and though "vestigial penis", and went "WTF?"
03:39:37 <ehird> http://www.chick.com/tractimages16113/1059/1059_22.gif ← This is how Christians die
03:39:59 <ehird> They look bright, happy, there's a ray of light and they talk normally. They reach out without any effort at all, and then they just kind of flump down, dead.
03:40:00 * pikhq doṫs hɨs ṫs and crosses hɨs ɨs.
03:40:06 <GregorR> Vestigial penis actually makes MORE sense :P
03:40:14 <ehird> The pelvis is totally useless.
03:40:27 <pikhq> GregorR: They do in fact have a vestigial structure that one could call a pelvis.
03:40:32 <ehird> The penis also; who needs reproduction?
03:40:34 <pikhq> "Hip" is a more accurate term, though.
03:40:53 <GregorR> ehird: Penises are mostly exclusive to mammals, so no, penis != strictly necessary. Just fun :P
03:41:13 <pikhq> Where "they" refers to whales.
03:41:19 <ehird> Yes, but our reproductive system is sorta wired to a penis...
03:41:33 <GregorR> OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, BEST SETUP EVER
03:41:57 <ehird> MANY MOUTHS TO D MORE
03:55:50 <oerjan> <ehird> (I'm trying to use jewnicode)
03:56:01 <oerjan> i'm sorry, only Slereah is allowed to do that.
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05:27:44 <GregorR> WTF, Google Chrome advertises?
05:28:00 <pikhq> WTFl, there's advertisements?
05:28:11 <GregorR> WTF, Google Chrome advertises on television?
05:29:34 <pikhq> WTF, people still have TVs?
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08:19:30 <fizzie> Are we quite sure ehird's not partaking in any sort of substance abuse?
08:19:58 <olsner> sure? nope, not at all
08:20:26 <olsner> he seems less crazy than oklopol though
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08:21:59 <iEhird> fizzie I can assure you that
08:22:08 <iEhird> I am not not not not not
08:22:24 <iEhird> not not not not not not
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08:23:29 <olsner> hmm, the last thing oklopol said was "this off it ->", and then he quit, after speaking of a chain of some sort, and that was on June 22
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08:25:26 <iEhird> HEY EVRYONE WILL YOU IRC MAARY ME ABD MY NEXT QUESTION IS WH NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...in bed ...on a plane
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08:55:58 <immibis> what kind of language has dynamic typing but no implicit type conversions?
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09:11:35 <oerjan> <fizzie> Are we quite sure ehird's not partaking in any sort of substance abuse? <-- my exact thought
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09:13:10 <immibis> when i said "what kind of language has dynamic typing but no implicit type conversions?" i meant that "1 + 2.0" is an error
09:13:12 <Deewiant> perl - erm, "2" + 2 yields 4 just fine. That seems somewhat implicit to me.
09:13:32 <fizzie> Python doesn't do it, though.
09:13:48 <fizzie> TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects.
09:13:51 <oerjan> <iEhird> I am not not not not not <-- it's ok, i counted 21 nots, which is odd
09:14:04 <AnMaster> <oerjan> <fizzie> Are we quite sure ehird's not partaking in any sort of substance abuse? <-- my exact thought
09:14:11 <oerjan> unless that means he isn't sure himself, though
09:14:19 <Deewiant> In "1 + 2.0", it's common to see 1 as being polysemously typed
09:14:22 <fizzie> Oh, and Javascript's expression "2" + 2 yields "22".
09:14:37 <oerjan> AnMaster: <iEhird> you should fly in to a banana [... etc.]
09:15:07 <AnMaster> I remember seeing some language where 1 + 2.0 was an error
09:15:34 <oerjan> AnMaster: ocaml iirc, but that's not dynamic
09:15:35 <AnMaster> I don't remember if it was dynamically typed or not
09:15:58 <oerjan> different operations for integer and floating point
09:16:25 <AnMaster> oerjan, ah that may have been it
09:16:42 <oerjan> because it's form of hindley-milner type inference doesn't manage it
09:17:28 <oerjan> i vaguely recall standard ML does something hacky to manage it
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09:17:47 <fizzie> Scheme also doesn't do implicit type conversions except in the sense that all 'number?' types can do arithmetics.
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09:19:33 <oerjan> AnMaster: also haskell _technically_ doesn't convert, it's just that most relevant operations (including number literals) are overloaded to work with both integer and floating point
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09:19:59 <oerjan> so 1 + 2.0 works, but not for the reason a dynamic language person would expect
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09:22:05 <AnMaster> <oerjan> so 1 + 2.0 works, but not for the reason a dynamic language person would expect <-- ?
09:22:05 <iEhird> funny bunnies! shitfucking holes!
09:22:09 <AnMaster> I would expect it for the same reason as it would work in C
09:22:40 <iEhird> 2 is of type (Num a)=>a
09:22:42 <oerjan> AnMaster: which it doesn't do
09:22:55 <iEhird> + is num a to a to a RNA
09:23:18 <iEhird> so 1 is infeerred as the floating
09:23:23 <AnMaster> I don't believe it until ehird replied yes
09:23:33 <oerjan> !haskell :t 1 -- testing
09:23:35 <EgoBot> 1 -- testing :: (Num t) => t
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09:23:44 <oerjan> ooh it does accept : commands
09:23:47 <iEhird> yes. either drunk or on iphone. you decide abnafer
09:24:09 <EgoBot> (+) :: (Num a) => a -> a -> a
09:24:27 <AnMaster> <iEhird> + is num a to a to a RNA <iEhird> so 1 is infeerred as the floating <-- RNA inference? ~
09:24:49 <oerjan> iEhird: iphone still doesn't explain the banana
09:24:52 <iEhird> basically a teipky fuggela with he Jews called all this
09:25:26 <iEhird> also oerjan NEITHER DOES GOD!!!
09:26:10 <oerjan> iEhird: well maybe _he_ abused some substance. also the banana is heavily cultured.
09:26:10 <AnMaster> <AnMaster> <iEhird> + is num a to a to a RNA <iEhird> so 1 is infeerred as the floating <-- RNA inference? ~
09:26:36 <AnMaster> see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_interference -_-
09:27:15 <iEhird> by iPhone battery so low/emotions sour/fuck haiku
09:28:03 <AnMaster> iEhird, I usually hate haiku but this one was ok :)
09:28:12 <iEhird> in case you didn't discombobulate already, I kind of skipped sleeping
09:28:24 <oerjan> 8/5/3 is not haiku. maybe fibonaiku.
09:28:28 <iEhird> also I don't think it's a valid haiku.
09:29:03 * oerjan slept particularly well
09:29:32 <AnMaster> oh just before I leave: I slept badly. They are repairing the railway close to here
09:29:40 <AnMaster> for some reason they do it during night
09:29:45 <oerjan> i cannot help the image of iEhird sitting there with boxing gloves on
09:29:45 <iEhird> I HAVNT SET FOOT IN BED
09:29:47 <fizzie> It is rather interesting how the use of an iPhone for typing seems to affect the content as well as the expression.
09:29:49 <AnMaster> just a few hundred meters from here
09:30:12 <augur> The Hours was a horrible movie.
09:30:22 <augur> just thought i'd throw that out there.
09:30:34 <iEhird> fizzie: you get a new value system for what's feasible to xpress
09:30:50 <iEhird> augur would have a linguistic field day
09:31:01 <augur> ooh whats this now
09:31:08 <iEhird> banana very easy to type
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09:31:16 <augur> fizzie: how do you mean?
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09:31:55 <iEhird> someone link to todays log.
09:32:11 <oerjan> http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.07.02
09:32:41 <iEhird> hey evryone you becef me sene we never responded to my irc marriage proposal
09:33:51 <iEhird> such a good word to type. works well on crap touch screen
09:34:02 <iEhird> just two places to tap
09:34:16 <iEhird> apple should demonstrate the kb with it.
09:34:26 <iEhird> bananas. bananas. bananas.
09:34:58 <iEhird> augur read the logs to comprhende.
09:35:30 <iEhird> tried to say comprehende but it got lost in tyois so e looked typo .D
09:35:36 <augur> whats a good notation for variables, if bare character strings are just symbols?
09:35:46 <augur> any unicode is acceptable.
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09:36:38 <fizzie> Ooh, or ☠var. Since they are DANGEROUS.
09:36:43 -!- asiekierka has set topic: we induct pikhqs http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must mustn't contain the phrase "esoteric programming languages" AT ALL TIMES.
09:36:51 <augur> i've been getting recommendations for either ‹var› or «var»
09:37:21 <oerjan> interroganf, a little known town in wales
09:37:53 <iEhird> augur I thought of a rationalIzation
09:38:21 <oerjan> asiekierka: iEhird's crappy iphone keyboard
09:38:29 <iEhird> in Gaskell removin points is remving var occcurences. var is point. • is point
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09:42:09 <augur> iEhird: i was considering using ẋ and the like
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09:42:24 <iEhird> right after I said we'd
09:42:42 <iEhird> disconnected battery empty
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09:43:47 <iEhird> someone link me the logs
09:44:19 <oerjan> http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.07.02
09:44:47 <augur> your internet sucls.
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09:47:08 <iEhird> Internet is fne read what the duck I said
09:47:09 <oerjan> http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.07.02
09:49:02 <iEhird> bgud t f educ dkfksdpegac ehxa DC ruvrlcsicircksckajer g
09:49:15 <oerjan> yes, almost certainly.
09:49:42 <iEhird> en nenfnr rbbf cu fjjagcghwh hwhb euchehhehuf ifjchhd
09:49:57 <oerjan> you can say that again.
09:50:31 <iEhird> no I can't. no copy and paste.
09:50:47 <iEhird> I haven't got 3.0 yet :-P
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09:51:11 <oerjan> i hear it can only "copy all"
09:52:08 <fizzie> You copy using a cantaloupe.
09:52:25 <fizzie> It's the fruit conspiracy again.
09:52:29 <oerjan> as long as it isn't a basselope
09:52:35 <fizzie> Except wasn't banana a type of fish?
09:52:52 <iEhird> banana banana banana banana vabababababababababanananananana
09:53:30 <oerjan> banana, a bad ass bass
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09:53:46 <fizzie> [Old Man] The Black Omen sparkles in the sun! Tomorrow should be clear, too. [Choras Inn, 1000 A.D.]
09:53:50 <iEhird> reset my froodvoblt to reset intova vacant alley stare
09:54:17 <iEhird> COOOOOOMPAQQQQQQ!!!!!!!
09:54:25 <oerjan> froodvoblt sounds so douglas adams
09:54:40 <iEhird> saw it on old CRT monitor nearby. realize was easy to type
09:54:58 <iEhird> frood was drops initially
09:55:53 <iEhird> FWFI was frood initially!
09:57:05 <oerjan> !swedish reset my froodvoblt to reset intova vacant alley stare
09:57:05 <EgoBot> reset my fruudfublt tu reset intufa fecunt elley stere-a
09:57:22 <oerjan> just as comprehensible
09:59:08 <iEhird> this wasp/Hornet keeps trying to fuck my window.
09:59:29 <oerjan> wasps with fetishes can be dangerous
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10:00:05 <iEhird> I don't kbowvthe difference
10:00:50 <iEhird> I'm serious it keeps humping the window pane
10:00:51 <oerjan> "Hornets are the largest eusocial wasps"
10:02:38 <iEhird> clicky 4 me --------> http://reddit.com
10:05:38 <oerjan> hm interesting it seems norway doesn't really have hornets
10:06:29 <oerjan> only one species occasionally observed
10:07:10 <iEhird> someone type reddit URL for me thx
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10:07:36 <oerjan> there are 12 other wasp species here, though
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11:31:07 <Deewiant> Is ehird now doing that unnatural sleeping rhythm thing?
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11:31:21 <Deewiant> He did ask us to tell him if he goes insane trying
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12:56:57 <ehird> just doing the insomnia thing
12:57:15 <ehird> uberman's otoh would probably be healthier than the sleep fuckfest I have
12:57:21 <ehird> Deewiant: plz don't say unnatural btw
12:57:25 <ehird> polyphasic sleep is natural
12:57:46 <ehird> many-phased when an infant and biphasic after is the natural human sleep system
12:57:51 <ehird> uberman's is just shifting the latter to the former
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13:27:41 <ehird> [[Also, Gary won a sweepstakes in Finland. He went over there to collect his prize, and that turned into a fourteen week ordeal. He says the Finnish are very nice, but "they need to make more sense."]]
13:27:47 <ehird> fizzie and Deewiant: Take heed!
13:28:15 <fizzie> I make sense all the time.
13:28:32 <ehird> No you doquar tub la be du falafel.
13:34:00 <Deewiant> ehird: I knew you'd take issue with "unnatural", but I said it anyway.
13:34:31 <ehird> Deewiant: YEAH WELL, YOU'RE FINLANDICERIC. YOU GO INTO UNNATURAL SAUNAS MADE OUT OF UNNATURAL SOYLENT GREAN PEOPLE.
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13:54:03 <ehird> i wonder if `n to m` can work instead of `n to (m)` if we're relying on `x y z` where z isn't parenthesized to be `x y () z`
13:54:55 <ehird> i mean for arbitrary `to`s
13:55:10 <ehird> thinking about things when i'm tired is a dumb move i think
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14:31:57 <nooga> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g9MpLAH5Ps << lol'd hard @ the ending
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15:08:48 <ehird> "ROTFL. Here's some evidence for you: Lisp had 50 years to get anywhere and it failed abysmally and, with me on the scene, functional programming is finally getting somewhere."
15:08:53 <ehird> — Jon Harrop to me.
15:09:12 <ehird> I saw it on Twitter: Harrop's ego has been blasted into low orbit.
15:09:30 <ais523> more or less amazingly brilliant at everything than Wolfram?
15:10:17 <ehird> ais523: A person who trolls usenet, reddit and more with his disgusting shitfest of FUD and idiotic rambling nonsense about Haskell, Lisp and other languages, instead plugging OCaml, F# and his retarded, useless consultancy that nobody gives a damn about. He has actually said that the "controversy" drives business to him.
15:10:33 <ehird> So you can guess he's very successful: spending his days trolling usenet actually increases his revenue.
15:11:02 <ais523> ugh, I think Graue's just changed something on esolang to try to stop the spambots
15:11:07 <ais523> in the last couple of minutes
15:11:14 <ais523> I think he's blocked the url /w/index.php
15:11:24 <ais523> without realising that all actions except view go through there
15:11:56 <ais523> wait no, probably everywhere
15:11:58 <ais523> "The precondition on the request for the URL /wiki/Main_Page evaluated to false."
15:12:12 <ais523> ooh, I think it's blocking referrers /from itself/
15:12:16 <ais523> it works if I retype the URL by hand
15:12:55 * ehird digs out the Nomic World Game 1 logs to tell Harrop to go aeaeisseistjisetc under a rock.
15:13:09 <GregorR> Idonno, just seems to work to me.
15:13:11 <ehird> Gotta get my extremely-obscure insult references right.
15:13:14 <ais523> someone else try to follow an internal link in the wiki
15:13:40 <ais523> GregorR: what about editing a page?
15:14:02 <ehird> grr, the nomic ftp repository appears to be down or cronically slow
15:14:08 <ehird> ais523: got the nomic world log?
15:14:13 <GregorR> ais523: Well, I'm not committing anything, but I can get to the editing page.
15:14:24 <ais523> try pressing show preview
15:15:11 <ais523> ah, idea: then try going to one of those spambot pages, trying to edit it, and pressing show preview
15:15:21 <ais523> my guess is it's blocking text that matches the spambot pattern anywhere in the request
15:15:25 <ais523> including the referer header
15:16:11 <ehird> "In closing, I leave you with some sound advice from days past: Get a life and shut up. Stop cluttering the internet with your inane prattle. Go aestivate under a rock somewhere. In short, feep off and die."
15:16:13 <ehird> So tempting to hit save.
15:16:15 <ehird> SO TEMPTING TO HIT SAVE>
15:16:20 <ehird> Except with a ., not a >
15:17:55 <ehird> Kindly defenestrate yourself, idiot (Yittra, Sep 28 06:13)
15:17:59 <ehird> Man, they had such good insults in 1992
15:22:10 <ehird> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8xaas/how_did_i_not_find_this_language_years_ago/c0ar2kh
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15:29:58 <nooga> ehird: "ROTFL. Here's some evidence for you: Lisp had 50 years to get anywhere and it failed abysmally and, with me on the scene, functional programming is finally getting somewhere."
15:29:59 <nooga> 16:08 ehird: — Jon Harrop to me.
15:31:43 <ehird> 15:31 Peaker: ehird was on my ignore list for ages.. I think I put him there after some antisemitic racial slurs..
15:31:43 <GregorR> Wow, that's so ... egomaniacal ...
15:31:43 <ehird> 15:31 ehird: .........what?
15:32:03 <nooga> "with me on the scene..." "i'm a sex machine"
15:32:08 <ais523> hey, he didn't imply there was a causal connection
15:33:04 <ehird> 15:32 ehird: Peaker: I have no idea what the flippin' hell you're talking about
15:33:04 <ehird> 15:32 Peaker: <ehird> testers: almost as bad an epidemic as jews. :-|
15:33:06 <ehird> 15:32 ehird: fair enough. useless without context and almost certainly a (bad, admittedly) joke, but if you want to ignore me that's your choice
15:33:40 <ehird> ANTI SEMITIC RCIAL SLURS!!!!
15:35:50 <GregorR> Somehow I manage to get by without using racist remarks as jokes.
15:36:12 <ehird> GregorR: That's just because you're prejudiced against mothers.
15:36:38 <GregorR> Funny, that's just what your mom said last night.
15:36:45 <GregorR> Clearly you were requesting that by name, making it no funny at all :P
15:36:48 <ehird> Though you're right, I'm not going to make any anti-mother racist sexist retard-ist stupid-ist not-all-that-clever-ist religion-ist anything-ist jokes.
15:36:54 <ehird> Q: Why did the chicken cross the road?
15:37:02 <ehird> A: To enrichen his life and discover new possibilities.
15:37:15 <GregorR> I actually am laughing out loud.
15:37:25 <ehird> Wow. That's... rare.
15:37:30 <ehird> You might want to get that checked ou.
15:40:09 <GregorR> (Also, "your mom" jokes aren't "anti-mother" jokes, as they refer to a specific mother; yours :P )
15:40:42 <ehird> Anti-specific-mother.
15:42:11 <GregorR> So about how I'm totally going to Italy tomorrow wooooooooooooooooh.
15:42:33 <ehird> Italy is booooring.
15:42:37 <ehird> Go to the YOUUUUUUUUUUU KAYYYYYYYYYY
15:42:50 <GregorR> Snot my choice. Also I've been to the UK.
15:43:02 <AnMaster> GregorR, what about combing two of those?
15:43:29 <ehird> Yes, GregorR, but have you CONSCIOUSLY AVOIDED ME while in the UK? It's a whole new experience.
15:43:44 <GregorR> ehird: It was 2004 when I went there :P
15:43:52 <ehird> GregorR: Right then!
15:43:56 <ais523> ehird: I don't think I've ever conciously avoided you either
15:44:09 <ehird> ais523: You're missing out. Or missing in. I don't know which.
15:44:18 <GregorR> OK, so I'll amend my previous statement:
15:44:19 <ais523> although if Hexham's as boring as you claim it is, that might give me an incentive to avoid your hometown and so avoid you by implication
15:44:33 <GregorR> So about how I'm totally going to Italy tomorrow and don't have to pay for it wooooooooooooooooh.
15:44:42 <ehird> Well, it has regular stores, and some houses, and an abbey.
15:44:48 <ehird> There's not much to BE exciting.
15:45:05 <ehird> GregorR: but hoooooooooooooooow
15:45:41 <AnMaster> how does an abbey differ from a monastery btw?
15:45:43 <GregorR> OK, so actually I'm going to a conference, and in my experience that means very little vacationy time, BUT STILL :P
15:45:53 <ehird> AnMaster: There's no monks in an abbey, for one.
15:46:16 <ehird> What I said was... very simple.
15:46:18 <ehird> This abbey, at least.
15:46:22 <ehird> Also this abbey is... small.
15:46:26 <ehird> Like, church-sized.
15:46:33 <HackEgo> * a church associated with a monastery or convent \ * a convent ruled by an abbess \ [21]wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
15:46:44 <ehird> Well I don't even know I've just been in it once
15:46:51 <ehird> It just looks like a church to me and it's called Hexham Abbey
15:46:53 * ais523 tries to figure out what lawlawl even means
15:47:00 <ehird> Also it has a clock on the side.
15:47:06 <ehird> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexham_Abbey
15:47:31 <AnMaster> ais523, word splitting must be "law lawl" I think
15:48:25 * GregorR watches ais523's brain explode.
15:48:38 <ais523> GregorR: how? this computer doesn't have a webcam
15:48:47 <ehird> ais523: He's behind you.
15:48:51 <GregorR> Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo.
15:48:55 <ehird> No, don't look. Now he's being you again.
15:49:00 <ais523> ehird: wrong continent
15:49:18 <GregorR> ais523: I'm still behind you, you'll just have to look a few thousand miles to see me.
15:49:43 * ais523 tries to figure out which compass direction is in front of the
15:49:53 <ais523> meh, I can't be bothered
15:50:07 <GregorR> AnMaster: He forgot to capitalize: Is in front of THE
15:50:26 <ehird> He accidentally the noun.
15:50:51 <ais523> I was trying to use singular they, and left the last letter off by mistake
15:51:01 <ehird> ais523: but that's incorrect too
15:51:15 <ehird> GregorR: It stands for T.H.E. Human Exoskeleton, actually.
15:51:40 <ais523> ehird: of course it's incorrect, I left the last letter off
15:51:55 <ehird> "ais523 tries to figure out which compass direction is in front of they"
15:51:58 <ehird> That's not correct.
15:52:27 <ehird> That's not singular they.
15:52:29 <ehird> That's singular them.
15:58:40 <ehird> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2dfKm8XzSQ
15:59:47 <nooga> http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7200/642pxhexhamabbey.jpg gahahahaha
16:00:08 <ehird> Things picture lacks: (a) correct spelling of name, (b) humour.
16:00:40 <nooga> (a) too lazy to check the correct spelling, (b) i know
16:00:49 <ais523> ooh, someone just sued the SCO leadership personally, for theft of trade secrets
16:01:07 <ais523> ofc, that doesn't mean they have a case, but it's certainly making things even weirder
16:02:22 <AnMaster> err wait... someone sued SCO? Not the other way around? Hm. Also who?
16:02:45 <ais523> AnMaster: nobody I've heard of
16:03:01 <ais523> my guess is that someone was looking at SCO's tricks, and decided to practice them themself
16:03:43 <ais523> so? SCO ran out of money ages ago, they're still going
16:04:11 <ais523> AnMaster: nothing that makes a whole lot of sense
16:04:30 <ais523> whenever they're about to be shut down, some incredibly convoluted and surprising development happens
16:04:38 <ais523> which causes everyone to have to reconsider for ages
16:04:56 <ehird> and then they sue somebody
16:05:00 <ais523> incidentally, someone thought that this might be part of a massive legal system for SCO to end up with the UNIX copyrights, that can only be done in bankruptcy court
16:07:26 <ais523> it sort-of makes sense in that bankruptcy court's the only place you can change a slightly invalid copyright title into a clean one
16:12:09 <ehird> ais523: why stall then?
16:12:32 <ais523> ehird: the only plausible explanation I've seen for SCO's behaviour is that someone's paying them to stall
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16:12:46 <ais523> they've certainly been quite good at it, over a year now
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16:13:13 <ehird> people seem to want punching over tcp/ip
16:13:17 <ehird> but i have a more likely idea
16:13:24 <ehird> what if we could transfer punches over legalese?
16:13:33 <ehird> i wouldn't rule it out
16:13:39 <ehird> legalese is pretty crazy
16:13:53 <ais523> just write a 20-page appeals brief which also happens to be an ASCII art goatse
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16:31:52 <pikhq> What exactly would this entail?
16:33:11 <ehird> In which Jon Harrop has a comprehension of "irony" par with that of Alanis Morissette's: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8xaas/how_did_i_not_find_this_language_years_ago/c0ar3ej
16:34:04 <pikhq> Ah, a mov machine.
16:34:10 <pikhq> I <3 mov machines.
16:34:19 <GregorR-L> ehird: You sure talk about this Jon Harrop guy a lot.
16:34:34 <ehird> GregorR-L: I flamed him yesterday, flames ensue.
16:34:38 <GregorR-L> I suspect this animosity is a cover :P
16:34:43 <ehird> Mentioning him ~3 times in two days as part of one continuous thread sure is "a lot".
16:34:48 <ehird> Because people in the middle of something never do that?
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16:39:19 <GregorR-L> Re mov machine: Remember that with memory-mapped CPU, your CPU instructions could write new instructions :P
16:40:36 <GregorR-L> If the target of your instruction was in the area of memory mapped to the CPU, it would write something to ... ITSELF :P
16:40:37 <asiekierka> You would need to have a builtin Verilog/VHDL compiler
16:40:47 <asiekierka> which compiles the source you feed to it and feeds it to a FPGA
16:40:50 <ehird> No, just built in SOLDERING IRON FUCK YEAH
16:41:06 <GregorR-L> The physical properties of the CPU are not memory mapped, just all the internal data.
16:41:36 <asiekierka> I did it to modify addresses in instructions
16:41:40 <GregorR-L> asiekierka: Not after-fetch. You could be changing the instruction as it executes it.
16:43:50 <GregorR-L> To make it an esolang we'd have to find a way for it to be NECESSARY to do that, not just possible.
16:43:58 <ehird> ais523: Not the same thing
16:44:03 <ehird> that's just mmapped program
16:44:05 <pikhq> So you could quite reasonably make the CPU into a CPU emulator.
16:44:29 <pikhq> By writing a program that changes the instructions during fetching.
16:44:30 <ais523> you're thinking of something more like changing the microcode being the only form of doing anything?
16:47:26 <ehird> ais523: he means memory mapped internal CPU registers
16:47:30 <ehird> every scratch space the cpu uses
16:47:50 <ais523> well, that's the case on the PIC more or less
16:48:01 <ais523> although there's certain special cases for sanity
16:48:15 <ehird> ais523: so you can make it dream of imaginary instructions?
16:48:20 <ehird> calculate 2+2 wrong?
16:48:26 <ais523> ehird: not to quite the extent you want, unfortunately
16:50:46 <ehird> There should be a repository of toy language problems to toy around with language des— hey, Rosetta Code.
16:55:43 <ehird> someone implemented the y combinator in applescript
16:59:04 <ais523> well, I implemented continuations in INTERCAL
16:59:08 <ais523> so it's not that far-fetched
17:00:59 <ais523> happy third day of australian mailman reminder week!
17:01:43 <ehird> Not sure it works that way
17:01:52 <ehird> I'm pretty sure there's just one australian mailman reminder day.
17:01:55 <ehird> Then mailman reminder day.
17:02:45 <ais523> #esoteric: where implementing continuations in INTERCAL is commonplace but celebrating australian mailman reminder day for an entire week is weird
17:03:19 -!- ais523 has set topic: #esoteric: where implementing continuations in INTERCAL is commonplace but celebrating australian mailman reminder day for an entire week is weird | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must contain the phrase "esoteric programming languages" AT ALL TIMES.
17:03:55 -!- ehird has set topic: #esoteric: where implementing continuations in INTERCAL is commonplace but celebrating australian mailman reminder day for an entire week is weird | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must contain the phrase "illegal discombobulation ribcage" AT ALL TIMES.
17:04:54 -!- GregorR-L has set topic: where implementing continuations in INTERCAL is commonplace but celebrating australian mailman reminder day for an entire week is weird | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must contain the phrase "illegal discombobulation ribcage" AT ALL TIMES.
17:05:21 <ais523> all you did was removed the channel name from the start
17:05:24 -!- ehird has set topic: tharr past the river droves, where implementing continuations in INTERCAL is commonplace but celebrating australian mailman reminder day for an entire week is weird | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must contain the phrase "illegal discombobulation ribcage" AT ALL TIMES.
17:05:34 <GregorR-L> ais523: I didn't intend to, Xchat did it :P
17:05:49 <ais523> and what were you trying to change?
17:06:11 <GregorR-L> ais523: Nothing. I just wanted my name on it :P
17:06:59 -!- ehird has changed nick to GregorR_.
17:07:31 -!- GregorR_ has changed nick to Gr.
17:07:37 <Gr> /nick GrеgorR :-P
17:07:45 <Gr> Stupid anti-Crylliciicjicsjsicm.
17:07:57 -!- Gr has changed nick to GregorR-l_.
17:07:59 -!- GregorR-l_ has changed nick to GregorR-I.
17:08:03 -!- GregorR-L has changed nick to write.
17:08:21 -!- GregorR-I has changed nick to GregorR-I_.
17:08:53 <write> zohmaigawd tahtso confinsink
17:09:17 <ais523> what if I don't want to write that?
17:09:29 -!- write has changed nick to read.
17:10:06 -!- read has changed nick to ehlrd.
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17:13:26 -!- ehlrd has changed nick to ais524.
17:13:30 -!- memorymappedbuff has changed nick to read.
17:13:43 * read reads ais524...
17:13:53 <read> I see many your faces in the future.
17:13:59 -!- asiekierka has changed nick to write.
17:14:10 * write writes "ais523" to ais524...
17:14:32 -!- read has changed nick to ehlrd.
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17:16:32 <ehlrd> Well that was stupid :P
17:16:34 -!- ehlrd has changed nick to GregorR-L.
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17:17:16 <oerjan> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
17:19:25 <oerjan> <ehird> Deewiant: YEAH WELL, YOU'RE FINLANDICERIC. YOU GO INTO UNNATURAL SAUNAS MADE OUT OF UNNATURAL SOYLENT GREAN PEOPLE. <-- people are soylent green, now?
17:20:15 <ehird> No, it's imitation soylent green.
17:21:09 -!- write has changed nick to asiekreika.
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17:22:47 <oerjan> <ais523> in the last couple of minutes
17:22:59 <oerjan> actually i think i noticed that a couple of days ago
17:23:18 <oerjan> or maybe yesterday; anyway there was a spam i couldn't blank
17:23:57 <oerjan> i guessed it was something stupidly triggering the spam filter when reverting the spam, or so
17:24:13 <oerjan> and since it was a new article i couldn't just edit an older version
17:24:24 <ais523> oerjan: it affects delete and block too
17:24:29 <oerjan> i haven't checked if it was a problem anywhere else
17:24:41 <ais523> that's why I haven't dealt with the latest piece of spam
17:24:49 <ais523> I've tried to, but found it's physically impossible
17:25:48 <oerjan> wait, it said you did delete a spam
17:26:38 <oerjan> lessee it _doesn't_ affect editing another article (CAT)
17:27:16 <oerjan> it only prevents editing that particular spam i guess
17:27:34 <oerjan> (assuming it's the same "Precondition failed" i see)
17:28:40 <oerjan> <ehird> grr, the nomic ftp repository appears to be down or cronically slow <-- isn't it always slow?
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17:29:43 <ehird> That felt good mind you.
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17:29:54 <ehird> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANYWAY
17:30:11 <oerjan> i read that as "frc ftp repository"
17:30:27 <ehird> GregorR-L: We blew our cover over a misunderstanding to boot!
17:30:59 <oerjan> (since that is the only nomic ftp repository i'm acquainted with)
17:31:06 <ehird> Has anyone actually worked out what's happened yet?
17:31:15 <oerjan> also, i had already noticed you were up to something, thus my aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
17:31:17 <ehird> Maybe we could discreetly switch back and everyone would think this was just a joke.
17:31:32 -!- ehird has changed nick to ehlrd.
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17:32:21 <oerjan> huh you're right, going to the main page fails
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17:32:45 <oerjan> ais523: it only fails when doing it from that spam
17:33:02 <oerjan> it's something with that page that blocks doing anything from it
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17:33:50 <oerjan> hm that _might_ mean...
17:35:10 <oerjan> i managed to edit it by entering the URL, but saving the edit failed
17:35:12 <asiekierka> Some Engrish from my new mouse's instruction manual:
17:35:27 <asiekierka> "When the receiver successful change the Ids, the indicator will flash several fast."
17:36:29 <asiekierka> "1,place the mouse one the stand and make sure the charging indicator is lightON,"
17:36:33 <oerjan> and pasting the submit URL doesn't work, naturally :(
17:36:37 <asiekierka> someone writing the instructions was DRUNK
17:37:12 <oerjan> ais523: do you know how to fake a submit without a referrer? that might work...
17:37:21 <ais523> oerjan: I was wondering about that
17:37:21 <ehird> asiekierka: translate.google.com doesn't drink.
17:37:38 <asiekierka> this one must me typical chinese engrish
17:37:41 <ais523> it's a pity you can't just use the API, but that's a newer MediaWiki version than the one esolang has
17:37:48 <oerjan> emphasis on _you_, there >:/
17:37:49 <asiekierka> the double-spaces and no-spaces and stuff are authentical
17:38:39 <GregorR-L> "Authentical," on the other hand, is not authentical.
17:41:15 <oerjan> ais523: what the heck CSS is no longer working for me on esolang
17:41:36 <ais523> oerjan: my guess is that the stylesheet's blocked for the same reason as the edit-the-spam is blocked
17:42:18 <GregorR-L> CSS is like spam. For your webpage.
17:42:43 <oerjan> hmph that didn't work either
17:42:53 <asiekierka> i'm running make for like the 15th time today
17:43:08 <pikhq> SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM.
17:43:58 <pikhq> !haskell cycle "SPAM "
17:46:35 <oerjan> pikhq: EgoBot doesn't print anything when programs go beyond the time limit without printing a newline
17:47:04 <GregorR-L> pikhq: If it flushed, it would work.
17:47:21 <oerjan> !haskell main = do putStr "SPAM "; hFlush stdout; main
17:47:43 <oerjan> !haskell import System.IO; main = do putStr "SPAM "; hFlush stdout; main
17:48:06 <oerjan> it's very slow at responding...
17:48:10 <pikhq> LIES AND GREGORIOUS DECEIT
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17:48:59 <GregorR-L> Oh, never mind. CANCEL PREVIOUS STATEMENT.
17:49:25 <GregorR-L> Apparently bash's 'read' always waits for a newline.
17:51:57 <oerjan> hm does the -n option mean it doesn't look for a newline at all?
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18:21:14 <oerjan> <ehird> A: To enrichen his life and discover new possibilities.
18:22:01 * oerjan has now idea why he cannot stop laughing at that
18:23:07 <oerjan> <GregorR> So about how I'm totally going to Italy tomorrow wooooooooooooooooh.
18:23:29 <ehird> well nor can your mom. or something.
18:23:53 <oerjan> GregorR-L: if my stereotypes of italians are anything to go by, you might want to _seriously_ tone down your mom jokes when there
18:24:09 <GregorR-L> oerjan: Yeah, well, so might YOUR MOM.
18:24:22 <oerjan> no she cannot, she's dead
18:24:55 <oerjan> hard to tone down your jokes more at that point
18:25:37 <GregorR-L> That being said, in real life I'm nothing like I am online.
18:26:04 <oerjan> you mean you're really an annoying brat?
18:26:38 <pikhq> You mean you don't play piano and don't know how to program?
18:26:50 <oerjan> and he doesn't really wear hats, either
18:27:03 <GregorR-L> My top skill is sleeping. But I RULE at that.
18:27:05 <oerjan> that's just photoshopped
18:29:08 <oerjan> <ais523> ehird: I don't think I've ever conciously avoided you either <-- i think you need to go to hexham to do that properly
18:33:27 <ehird> Actually, I'm everywhere. True fact.
18:36:16 <ehird> portable... bunnies
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18:37:57 <ais523> oerjan: I was wondering if conciously avoiding Hexham was sufficient
18:38:55 <ehird> No. You have to go through various complicated antireligious antirituals of avoidance to properly experience avoiding me.
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18:41:25 <oerjan> ais523: ideally you should visit his mom some time he is out of town
18:41:52 <oerjan> that should recharge our channel's joke batteries for years to come
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19:02:33 <GregorR-L> If you guessed that "ehird" was actually GregorR, and I am actually ehird...
19:02:35 -!- GregorR-L has changed nick to ehird.
19:02:45 <ehird> Now how many people guessed that?
19:04:56 <oerjan> i didn't notice you renicking after i blew your cover the first time
19:08:54 <oerjan> ok discussing EgoBot's internals like that was quite clever. i think you must have discussed tactics by privmsg
19:09:33 <oerjan> even if the first comment was factually incorrect
19:09:42 <ehird> oerjan: Actually, he thought it was correct :P
19:09:51 <ehird> Anyway, we're now both experts at confusing nick-change cycles.
19:15:57 <oerjan> that should be useful for your future (?) international crime syndicate
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20:50:34 <ehird> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.ms-windows.misc/tree/browse_frm/thread/2e504f3435ab24d4/7baf6b6cad9cbab5?rnum=531&q=intel+consortium&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.os.ms-windows.misc%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F2e504f3435ab24d4%2F96cbe4eb2c34c5c9%3Flnk%3Dgst%26q%3Dintel%2Bx86%2Bconsortium%26rnum%3D1%26#doc_761ebda0a17cb4d8
20:50:42 <ehird> Scott Nudds is a fucking moron.
20:50:51 <ehird> Wonder what he does these days
20:52:06 <ehird> As I said earlier, once you get past 50-100 megabytes of RAM, virtual
20:52:07 <ehird> memory makes more sense. I expect 200 megabytes will be the limit for
20:52:08 <ehird> most users. People who like to fake photographs will probably want
20:52:10 <ehird> several times this amount. The rest will be virtual.
20:53:59 <oerjan> just wait until we start faking holograms
20:54:45 <pikhq> What's this about virtual memory making more sense once you get past 50-100 megabytes of RAM?
20:55:08 <ehird> pikhq: Scott Nudds; it's old.
20:55:17 <pikhq> Funny, virtual memory makes sense by the time you get past the *1 process* mark. :P
20:55:17 <ehird> Biggest Idiot of 1997.
20:55:25 <ehird> pikhq: He doesn't mean it that way
20:55:28 <ehird> pikhq: He means memory that isn't in RAM
20:55:44 <pikhq> Oh, he means memory that's swapped out.
20:55:53 <pikhq> Or in Windows terms, paged out.
20:56:02 <ehird> http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/8xno7/you_think_that_computers_will_ever_have_gigabytes/c0arbsv ← I expect 400 gigabytes will be the limit for most users. People who like to fake access to supercomputers will probably want 100 more than this amount.
20:56:38 <ais523> still, 10 years ago I couldn't even imagine what you'd do with a gigabyte of hard disk space
20:56:39 <ehird> well 'pparently nudds is a troll
20:56:42 <ehird> but it's funny anyway
20:56:45 <pikhq> Gigabytes of RAM? Actually quite likely. ;)
20:56:53 <pikhq> ais523: 10 years ago?
20:56:58 <ehird> ais523: huh? 1999? in like 2002 I had 10gb of hd space
20:57:03 <ehird> on a shitty shitty machine
20:57:14 <ehird> unless you were like a decade behind I can't see a gigabyte being impressive
20:57:18 <pikhq> I've got a 10G drive from the mid-90s.
20:57:19 <oerjan> sending memory off to alpha centauri for storage makes more sense by the time you get past the 50 exabyte mark
20:57:23 <HackEgo> 20 pounds = 1.42857143 stone
20:57:25 <pikhq> Still works, in fact.
20:57:27 <ais523> I've been about a decade behind pretty much forever
20:57:41 <ais523> my assumption was that if something ran on an old computer, it would run on anything
20:57:44 <pikhq> ais523: ... You had a C64 in 95?
20:57:45 <ais523> so I used it for programming on
20:57:55 <ais523> pikhq: no, a BBC Micro
20:58:08 <ais523> and actually, that would have been in about 1997
20:58:19 <pikhq> Hey, I've got a *20G* drive from 2000.
20:58:24 <pikhq> Still works and everything.
20:58:30 <ehird> old disks have a certain charm
20:58:39 <ehird> big, loud, heavy things with just one platter
20:58:45 <ehird> crunchin' away your ten gigabytes
20:58:57 <ais523> my first computer didn't even have a hard disk
20:59:03 <ehird> UPHILL IN THE SNOW
20:59:05 <ais523> although it used a floppy drive, not a tape drive
20:59:28 <ehird> my first computer ran windows 3.11. it was 1998.
20:59:29 <ais523> wow, I was using 5 1/4" floppy disks back then
20:59:34 <ehird> Just a bit behind hur hur
20:59:46 <ais523> a bit later, we moved onto a computer which was massively old
20:59:54 <ais523> it ran Windows 3.1 original
20:59:54 <pikhq> My first computer ran 95. This was back in 98.
21:00:01 <ais523> and only had a few MB of hard disk space left
21:00:09 <ais523> or possibly a few hundreds of KB, I can't quite remember
21:00:11 <ehird> i loved having the extra 1
21:00:15 <ais523> so we stored everything on floppy disks
21:00:21 <ehird> pikhq: meh, 95 was a decent os
21:00:21 <pikhq> Built from scratch because I was interested in computers.
21:00:38 <ehird> computers cost a fuckload in '98 at least for what my parents could afford
21:00:39 <pikhq> (and so grandmother taught me how to put one together)
21:00:39 <ais523> I actually rather liked 3.1
21:00:42 <ehird> so it was quite the chugger
21:00:46 <ehird> ais523: needs moar taskbar
21:00:55 <ais523> OK, so it had trouble multitasking, but its singletasking worked pretty well
21:01:03 <ais523> better than most of the subsequent versions, anyway
21:01:08 <ais523> control-alt-delete actually did something
21:01:26 <pikhq> My second box was some freeby that came with 95 installed on it. Became my first Linux box.
21:01:39 <pikhq> I've still got the CD burner from it.
21:01:39 <ais523> I still have a Windows 95 computer
21:01:43 <ais523> although I haven't turned it on for ages
21:02:07 * pikhq is too cheap to get a better burner
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21:08:54 <oerjan> !haskell putStr.take 500.cycle$"marmots "
21:08:56 <EgoBot> marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots
21:09:08 <ehird> oerjan: go get λbot back
21:09:16 <ais523> why did lambdabot disappear?
21:09:24 <oerjan> i didn't get it here in the first place
21:09:33 <GregorR> oerjan: No, you just killed it.
21:09:48 <oerjan> no i didn't, i don't think i was even logged on
21:09:55 <ehird> GregorR: OK, jig's up... back to our normal nicks, kay?
21:09:59 -!- ehird has changed nick to GregorR-L.
21:10:16 <GregorR> Also, no, I'm in too many channels to go nick-switchin' just for this one :P
21:10:22 -!- GregorR-L has changed nick to ehird.
21:10:31 <GregorR> In spite of how amusing and probably convincing that would have been.
21:10:40 <oerjan> ehird: nice try but this time i _was_ paying attention
21:10:47 <ais523> it wouldn't have worked due to whois data
21:10:52 <ehird> ais523: but it DID
21:10:55 <GregorR> ais523: Nobody whoised us before :P
21:10:57 <ehird> ais523: we fooled everyone for like 20 minuets
21:11:12 <ehird> even after slipping up
21:11:22 <oerjan> GregorR: oh i did whois you just not the second time, because i didn't notice you changing nicks again
21:11:34 <ais523> gah, you make me want to work on ickirc again
21:11:39 <ais523> CTCP SWAPNICK needs implementing
21:11:52 <ehird> ais523: see '09:06:59 --- nick: ehird -> GregorR_' onwards in http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.07.02
21:12:01 <ehird> it doesn't last too long in logtime
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21:33:56 <ais523> argh: http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=1809&aid=-1
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22:41:10 <ehird> I think the wrong-return-type bug is rather serious, possibly a release
22:41:10 <ehird> blocker for 3.0.1. I'll see if I can produce a patch.
22:41:12 <ehird> The incorrect rounding (returning 30.0 instead of 20.0) is less serious,
22:41:13 <ehird> but still needs fixing.
22:41:16 <ehird> —Python bug report
22:41:26 <ehird> Because returning an int instead of a float is more important than the results being correct.
22:53:35 <lifthrasiir> because the fact that floating point calculation may be incorrect is widely known, while unexpected return type change is not.
22:55:24 <ehird> nice set of priorities.
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23:25:47 <ehird> I guess I had better get a Less Wrong account.
23:26:10 <ehird> And less than 60 seconds later, I'm done and logged in.
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