00:00:12 you do really care? 00:00:14 huh 00:00:20 in that case: http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/trunk/data/core/music/legends_of_the_north.ogg 00:02:08 ehird, not sure what genre it is in. Can you help there? 00:02:26 Note (c). 00:02:42 ehird, it wasn't sarcastic? 00:02:43 hm ok 00:02:49 But I'll click anyway, even though I've hated every single wesnoth musics I've listened to. 00:02:51 so you seriously meant it 00:02:55 ehird, oh why? 00:02:56 AnMaster: Note effects of sarcasm on claims thus. 00:02:56 :/ 00:03:08 AnMaster: Because it sounds like cheesy early 00s game music. 00:03:11 ehird, nah, that is too meta for my taste 00:03:13 Which it most likely is 00:03:25 ehird, why do you dislike that 00:03:35 Non-sequiturs should all be taken out and shot for insulting Obama! 00:03:40 ehird, also in that case there is one other file you might like 00:03:47 Because it's the game music equivalent of Tubular Bells II in the background of a Discovery documentary. 00:04:11 ehird, if you hate the other wesnoth music you might actually like http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/trunk/data/core/music/knalgan_theme.ogg (I hate it) 00:04:20 Firefox appears to be trying to download that file over and over again before it plays it. 00:04:24 (Both of them.) 00:04:30 (Well, just the former; haven't tried the latter.) 00:04:33 ehird, how silly 00:04:47 vlc http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/trunk/data/core/music/knalgan_theme.ogg works here 00:04:48 AnMaster: To be fair, I'm running a HIGHLY UNSTABLE WILL EXPLODE INTO VOMIT nightly. 00:05:04 uh uh 00:05:15 Let's see if QuickTime will play a URL. Wait, no; I haven't installed the ogg stuff. 00:05:19 Cmd-S it is. 00:05:37 ehird, don't you have vlc? 00:05:50 No. I prefer mplayer and this machine is temporary. 00:05:56 ehird, temp? 00:06:02 what happened to your normal one 00:06:05 Until I get my new one. 00:06:06 It is the same. 00:06:11 I just clean-upgraded in February. 00:06:17 ehird, when will you get the new one 00:06:19 And downloading stuff is generally therefore pointless. 00:06:21 AnMaster: $time. 00:06:27 This "legends of the north" is unbearably bad. 00:06:36 huh 00:06:38 that's strange 00:06:38 Can't listen any further. 00:06:41 ok 00:06:44 try the other one 00:06:47 I am. 00:06:56 ehird, and your opinion 00:07:05 plus I really like the "legends of the north" one 00:07:09 It's exactly like the other one 00:07:17 ehird, what, I hate the other one 00:07:23 so logically you should love it 00:07:31 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:07:32 it follows. 00:07:36 ehird, does it not? 00:07:43 I hate eating poop and taking videos of doing so, too. 00:07:47 (I'll wait here.) 00:07:50 ehird, like you have to love country western 00:08:02 but hate experimental jazz 00:08:10 I have ensnared you by your own argument, now go take a camera to the toilet. 00:08:16 (I like some experimental jazz, might sound strange) 00:08:20 ehird, hah. 00:08:32 I like some jazz. Sort of. 00:08:35 (As in, some sort-of-jazz.) 00:08:43 ehird, so the argument was proven false by absurdity 00:08:51 ehird, what about country western 00:09:06 AnMaster: Allow me to self-lobotomize. 00:09:11 ah... 00:09:30 ehird, what about rap? 00:09:50 Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. The KLF amuse me. 00:09:56 KLF? 00:10:02 I hate rap btw. All rap I heard 00:10:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_KLF 00:10:36 aka The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu, The Timelords and so many others. 00:11:34 oh a band that changed name too often 00:11:38 No. 00:11:41 They never changed name. 00:11:44 They just had a fuckton of aliases. 00:11:44 oh? 00:11:49 ah 00:11:53 what was the real name 00:11:54 Aliasii. Aliasae. 00:12:04 AnMaster: mu. 00:12:09 But let's say KLF. 00:12:19 oh the "The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu" one 00:12:20 ? 00:12:22 I see 00:12:28 Let's say The KLF. 00:12:37 "The KLF" != "The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu", last I checked. 00:12:39 AnMaster: mu. 00:12:47 -____________- 00:12:48 that was ambiguous :P 00:13:17 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 00:13:21 ehird, hey, oerjan could have made the joke 00:13:25 that* 00:14:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Foundation_Burn_a_Million_Quid 00:15:45 lunatics 00:15:58 Aren't you a socialist? 00:16:13 "Budget One million pounds" made me laugh. 00:16:19 hah 00:16:25 actually a bit more 00:16:28 for the camera 00:16:30 Shush you. 00:16:34 They might have had it already. 00:16:38 true 00:18:05 as for being a socialist... Would that imply burning the money is the best way? 00:18:06 * oerjan thinks alias is already plural in latin 00:18:13 hah 00:18:37 modern socialists don't burn money, they recycle 00:18:42 hehe 00:19:26 -!- inurinternet has quit (No route to host). 00:19:35 AnMaster: A socialist society would have no need for money, and thus a True Socialist would denounce it. 00:19:44 Because I said so. 00:20:09 ehird, except we haven't yet achieved such a society, thus we still need money to further our cause. 00:20:13 sad but true 00:21:08 [ebuild U ] sys-apps/sed-4.2 [4.1.5-r1] USE="acl%* nls -static" 862 kB <-- why did sed get an "acl" useflag 00:21:11 what the fucking hell 00:21:23 Yeeeeeeeees... I'll stay behind to the system that (a) has had at least one working example in practice, where (b) sane adherents don't attribute its failures to poor application when they're obviously not and that (c) approximates a meritocracy rather than a ubiquitouscrapocracy. 00:21:31 (re: 00:20 AnMaster: ehird, except we haven't yet achieved such a society, thus we still need money to further our cause. ) 00:22:06 ehird, I agree that communism isn't the best solution 00:22:12 but socialism != communism 00:22:26 I am aware. 00:22:34 What I said never mentioned "communism". 00:22:41 ehird: interestingly, in the US, as long as you have >50% of a piece of currency (bills, dunno about coins), the treasury will replace it with a full piece for you 00:23:01 err ok 00:23:01 augur: So if you cut a bill in half and send both pieces in separately, you can double the amount? :-) 00:23:02 Wait. 00:23:04 >50% 00:23:06 Damn 00:23:14 Well, you could do that maybe 00:23:36 depends on how exactly they measure 00:23:39 stick a bit more on; won't cost you the price of the bill if you're lucky 00:23:46 so you could make a bit under 2x profit 00:24:02 "partial money making"? 00:24:20 what 00:24:21 * oerjan vaguely recalls something about needing to have the serial number preserved 00:24:36 hm 00:25:13 oerjan: not in america. 00:25:17 you just need >50% of the bill. 00:25:37 augur: get some $100 bills and let's do this shit 00:25:52 ehird, they will detect that you glued on some more stuff 00:25:59 i dont think your scheme will work, ehird :P 00:26:05 AnMaster: not if you do it very carefully 00:26:17 I agree with augur here 00:26:42 ehird, its actually easier to just counterfit dollar bills 00:26:50 or five dollar bills 00:26:50 that's true. 00:26:58 use them for vending machine 00:27:00 s 00:27:09 i scanned and printed a £5 note once on regular paper then cut it out 00:27:10 the ones that accept 5's and give you back coins 00:27:12 just to break the law for no reason 00:27:21 only one side though :P 00:27:23 prolly still counts. 00:27:29 you have to crumple that shit too. 00:27:35 i scanned and printed a £5 note once on regular paper then cut it out <-- is that illegal? 00:27:39 it isn't even hard to see it is fake 00:27:43 tho you can crumple it relatively easily 00:27:47 and it looks pretty fucking real 00:27:48 what with only being printed on one side 00:27:49 AnMaster: Forging money is illegal in general. 00:27:57 augur: paper was a bit too high quality for that 00:27:58 ehird, true... 00:28:01 could work with recycled paper 00:28:05 anmaster: its only forgery if you try to use it as real money tho 00:28:10 aww, is it? 00:28:11 er 00:28:12 ehird* 00:28:16 im prtty sure, yeah 00:28:18 that sucks 00:28:25 hm 00:28:32 because money in advertizements, for instance, isnt a forgery 00:28:32 prtty 00:28:41 replica money is not illegal, afaik. maybe now it is 00:28:45 pseudo real tty? 00:28:45 in the us it used to not be 00:28:48 augur: your variation of english irritates me and i don't know why 00:28:54 it's too… liberal 00:28:57 and american. 00:28:59 in what way 00:29:08 HAVE YOU ANY SCONES 00:29:16 NICE BIT O' KIT 00:29:18 well, if you said "advertisements" as opposed to the invalid advertizements (even in american english) 00:29:19 that would be good 00:29:20 CHEERIO AND ALL THAT 00:29:23 augur, NO BUT SOME EARL GREY! 00:29:28 you know, as opposed to simply being wrong 00:29:31 well, its supposed to be advertisements, i just cant spell 00:29:35 -!- CESSMASTER has quit ("Computer has gone to sleep"). 00:29:35 also isn't instead of isnt would help a little but advertisements is the main thing 00:29:44 advertizement is not american spelling 00:29:47 its just a typo 00:29:50 augur: ha, your defense of "ENGLISH MODERNIZZZZZZZATION" falls down! 00:29:53 you are merely the bad englisher! 00:30:08 englisher <-- AARGH! 00:30:10 ehird, you fail too 00:30:15 hey listen, im not saying american spelling isnt inconsistent 00:30:17 it totally is 00:30:23 no, that's just ... 00:30:23 thinging 00:30:25 whatever englisher is 00:30:28 nounist or something. 00:30:34 it's not verbiage-coining i know that much 00:30:38 also, isnt requiring an apostrophy is silly. 00:30:45 i don't care 00:30:47 it annoys me 00:30:49 it looks wrong 00:30:50 and unbalanced 00:30:57 also, "alot" really gets on my nerves 00:30:59 your face looks unbalanced 00:31:02 reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally 00:31:04 alot is a single word as well. 00:31:06 and izn't ehird's hate for what he badly calls bad English cute? 00:31:08 i want to punch you when you say "alot" 00:31:08 so is ofcourse 00:31:12 ehird, ^ 00:31:15 also "ofcourse" 00:31:19 i will fucking punch you in the god damn face 00:31:21 STOP IT 00:31:29 well ehird, your ancestors want to punch you in the face for "until" 00:31:31 and "upon" 00:31:34 and "ahead" 00:31:36 and "before" 00:31:41 and countless others. 00:31:45 augur: but you are not shakespeare, so there. :p 00:31:54 he didn't invent those 00:32:04 noone invented those 00:32:04 augur: I'm going to start using "a n" instead of "an ". It'll be a nball. 00:32:15 a nuncle. 00:32:16 A Nmaster 00:32:19 a naugur. 00:32:20 haha 00:32:24 a nhero 00:32:25 augur, hey, that is initial 00:32:27 wherefore mustest thou mangle english so 00:32:27 initials* 00:32:31 AnMaster: we don't give a shit 00:32:34 it's in word case 00:32:39 ehird, if it actually split in your dialect, then it'd be acceptable 00:32:44 ehird, btw, did you know an ewt -> a newt 00:32:45 and anmaster is stupid and also sounds pretentious to boot 00:32:46 in English 00:32:47 so there 00:32:53 ewt 00:32:54 ehird, *shrug* 00:32:54 ewt 00:32:57 such a cute word 00:33:01 it cutifies its contextual surroundings 00:33:04 ehird, well that is the story of the word 00:33:06 iirc 00:33:13 anmaster gives a perfect example. 00:33:18 incidentally "a nhero" proves once and for all that "an h" is only said by illiterate shitbags! 00:33:25 languages change, ehird. 00:33:34 and so it doez 00:33:37 so does your mom. in bed, augur. 00:33:39 in bed. 00:33:42 i have it on good authority. 00:33:43 possibly! 00:33:44 a nd? 00:33:46 the authority of 00:33:47 your face. 00:34:01 an d? 00:34:03 and? 00:34:16 pea is another good one 00:34:25 "pea" used to mean nothing 00:34:29 augur, really? npea? 00:34:32 the word for what we call a pea as "a pease' 00:34:40 ah, please. 00:34:43 the plural was "peases" 00:34:58 but because "pease" sounds so much like an english plural 00:35:06 people reanalyzed it as being such 00:35:06 augur, /^the word/s/as/was/ 00:35:15 augur: you should start using mark twain's evolved english spelling. it would be lojikl und kohirnt. 00:35:31 unfortunately the translation can't be automated as it involves distinguishing hard and soft c and thusly i cry 00:35:50 i use the spelling that im familiar with 00:35:51 hard and soft c? 00:35:54 and that others are familiar with 00:35:57 AnMaster: s/k 00:35:59 AnMaster: civil; cunt 00:36:05 ah 00:36:12 the letter denotes two sounds in english, as in many languages 00:36:15 (do not question my choice of examples) 00:36:16 s-like c and k-like c 00:36:17 then 00:36:27 sure. 00:36:34 Swedish has them too 00:36:37 /s/, /k/ 00:36:55 as does spanish, french (sort of?), italian (sort of?) 00:36:57 ehird, question for the latter 00:37:09 i'm scared. 00:37:30 but just knowing that i can annoy ehird simply by typing normally 00:37:33 how delightful! 00:37:39 augur, :D 00:37:50 augur, ofcourse it is delightful! 00:37:53 hmm 00:37:57 but I normally type that as two words 00:38:03 alot as one word I guess 00:38:09 augur: "x" is either "ks" or "s" isn't it 00:38:14 uh 00:38:22 in Ingliy. 00:38:27 Xerxes? 00:38:28 i can only think of examples with it as /ks/ 00:38:31 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 00:38:34 isn't that an example of both 00:38:37 augur: xylophone 00:38:39 unless I'm totally confused 00:38:40 yeah, names excluded 00:38:42 uh 00:38:44 thats a /z/ ehird 00:38:46 oh 00:38:48 that much is true. 00:38:49 derp derp 00:38:57 augur, what about Xerxes? 00:39:01 same 00:39:09 "Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant" 00:39:13 fuck you Twain 00:39:14 FUCK YOU 00:39:15 /zVr\ksiz/ 00:39:19 I can't even automate that with (x|y) replacements 00:39:19 * AnMaster is listening to Händel's Xerxes: Largo according to his media player 00:39:38 ehird: part of the problem is that english spelling is not phonemic 00:39:45 so there is no real automation to use 00:39:56 you can, however, refer to pronunciations in dictionaries 00:40:03 ehird, why would you automate it 00:40:04 and given modern technology, this is trivial. 00:40:11 AnMaster: because doing the replacements is a bitch 00:40:22 ehird, just type it right from the start 00:40:34 ehird, also more info on this please? 00:40:35 the wiki also says / Z/ 00:40:43 what wikipage 00:40:48 on english orthography 00:40:54 also, english spelling reforms are common, AnMaster 00:40:58 just look them up on wiki 00:40:59 yes 00:41:04 Swedish had some too historically 00:41:08 if onli xat waz izi, AnMaster. 00:41:08 well 00:41:11 hv -> v for example 00:41:14 (took me ~30s to write) 00:41:17 english hasnt actually had them 00:41:20 ehird, hah 00:41:28 the only major spelling change in english was introduced by noah webster, i believe 00:41:34 when he created his dictionary of american english 00:41:35 "Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld. " looks so pretty though 00:41:45 in which he modified some spellings to distinguish American english from British english 00:41:53 e.g. honor/honour 00:42:02 even better lowercased: 00:42:02 ehird, orxogrefkl? 00:42:02 fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe ingliy-spiking werld 00:42:09 AnMaster: x = th 00:42:12 (y = sh) too 00:42:15 lojikl? 00:42:16 (c = ch) too 00:42:19 AnMaster: http://design.caltech.edu/erik/Misc/Twain_english.html 00:42:27 and xrewawt? 00:42:33 those three words I failed on 00:42:36 logical, throughout 00:42:42 ah 00:42:42 orthographical 00:42:55 xrewawt == throughout? 00:42:58 yes 00:43:01 that doesn't make a lot of sense 00:43:06 sure it does 00:43:07 I did, however, come across one error: the "Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling" that you attribute to Mark Twain is actually (IIRC) a few paragraphs out of a letter to *The Economist*, written by one M.J. Shields (or M.J. Yilz, by the end of the letter). The letter is quoted in full in one of Willard Espy's *Words at Play* books, as well as in other places (I believe it's in Giles Brandreth's *The Joy of Lex*). 00:43:08 x = th 00:43:09 (full disclosure) 00:43:12 ew = ooooo 00:43:16 aw = owwww 00:43:17 oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 00:43:49 also http://www.i18nguy.com/humor/eurospell.html 00:44:05 one seriously problem with english spelling reform proposals 00:44:12 seriously problem 00:44:29 is that 00:44:36 english dialects vary so much in pronunciation 00:44:58 "doderez"? 00:45:02 what the hell is that 00:45:13 that any attempt to make the spelling reflect pronunciation will either have to rely on very abstract, and often mis-aligned, inventories 00:45:52 AnMaster: dodderers, maybe. 00:46:11 wait. 00:46:12 daughters. 00:46:12 "disgraceful" 00:46:12 * AnMaster googles that 00:46:14 ah 00:46:18 augur: no 00:46:20 not disgraceful 00:46:23 and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch 00:46:23 no no 00:46:26 its a quote from the page 00:46:30 " Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent "e"'s in the language is disgraceful, and they should go away." 00:46:37 what about it 00:46:44 we just got rid of soft c's two years prior! 00:46:46 disgraseful 00:46:51 :-D 00:46:55 augur, right 00:48:23 ph -> f would be nice actually 00:48:30 it would end up closer to Swedish 00:48:35 compare English and Swedish: 00:48:38 telephone telefon 00:48:54 photo foto 00:48:58 and so on 00:51:14 lots of things would be nice. 00:51:25 there are definitely some ways of streamlining english 00:51:30 especially in terms of consonants 00:51:36 like piping through gzip 00:51:37 those are almost universally unchanged 00:51:54 most english retains the same consonant systems 00:51:54 c -> k/s is good too 00:52:24 kool will finally become an acceptable spelling! D: 00:53:28 heh 00:53:55 augur, and? 00:54:00 but anyway 00:54:08 changes to vowels, forgetit 00:54:12 too hard to achieve. 00:54:14 augur, how comes? 00:54:28 augur, it has changed over time 00:54:31 already 00:54:35 no no i mean 00:54:38 vowels vary greatly across dialects 00:54:42 ah 00:54:42 while consonants havent 00:54:44 for instance 00:54:47 I see 00:55:03 in Swedish both has varied. 00:55:05 north country/souther canada dialects of english pronounce "iain" and "anne" the same 00:55:24 some dialects pronounce "pin" and "pen" the same 00:55:31 "cot" and "caught" 00:55:32 etc. 00:55:40 heh 00:55:59 and those just hover around some mainstream dialects 00:56:00 how did iain and anne end up the same 00:56:25 because "anne" has a front vowel 00:56:29 err 00:56:33 and in those dialects 00:56:45 * AnMaster isn't sure how to pronounce "iain" anywaye 00:56:47 anyway* 00:56:50 that particular vowel is diphtongized 00:57:06 ee-uhn or ee-ihn 00:57:15 ein? 00:57:20 i@n or iIn in SAMPA 00:57:29 iən or iɪn in IPA 00:57:41 I fail less at IPA than I fail at SAMPA 00:57:55 anyway 00:58:18 the { of anne in these dialects is /i@/ 00:58:21 theres a spectrum of this tho 00:58:29 in my dialect, anne has {_r 00:58:33 which is higher than just { 00:58:37 err 00:58:40 but isnt quite a diphtong 00:58:42 can you say that in IPA? 00:59:02 uh 00:59:04 gimme a sec 00:59:12 I don't know SAMPA _at all_ 00:59:17 learn it. 00:59:20 I know a tiny bit of IPA 00:59:23 augur, why? 00:59:30 its useful 00:59:36 augur, all dictionaries use IPA as far as I have seen 00:59:42 yes but its useful for typing 00:59:54 augur, maybe, I don't type phonetics a lot 01:00:06 æ̝ 01:00:11 ticks are not fun 01:00:17 tho it might be ɛ̝ 01:00:19 æ̝ ? 01:00:19 im not sure 01:00:23 with combined? 01:00:26 what 01:00:27 what is it combined with 01:00:32 up tack 01:00:37 hm 01:00:37 denoting raised-ness 01:00:43 00:59 AnMaster: augur, all dictionaries use IPA as far as I have seen 01:00:45 uh, NO. 01:00:50 oxford. 01:00:56 ehird: european ones do, usually. 01:00:56 ehird, *AS FAR AS I HAVE SEEN* 01:01:05 not english language dictionaries tho 01:01:09 you haven't seen an oed? 01:01:11 wtf. 01:01:19 Swedish-English and English-Swedish tend to use IPA 01:01:27 anmaster: the sound in "anne" is either between æ and ɛ or between ɛ and e 01:01:35 augur, ah ok 01:02:14 some more extreme new york dialects have {_r/E_r as e@ instead 01:02:20 (@ being schwa) 01:02:40 while others take this even further and turn it into I@ or i@ 01:02:41 how does schwa sound 01:02:50 its the uh sound, mostly 01:02:50 and again I don't know any SAMPA 01:02:59 anmaster 01:03:00 figure it out 01:03:05 augur, too lazy :P 01:03:05 im referring to things i just typed in IPA 01:03:06 use your brain 01:03:10 oh 01:03:18 augur, too much work ;P 01:03:22 tough shit 01:03:28 ... note the ; 01:03:40 eh? 01:03:47 EH? 01:03:49 ... note the ; 01:03:57 what ; you dolt 01:04:03 in ;P 01:04:19 you're an idiot 01:04:26 augur: agreement? 01:04:30 ehird, why do you think that? 01:04:40 ehird: no. 01:04:45 hmph 01:04:49 augur, :) 01:05:14 ofcourse it isnt agreement because i like a nmaster alot! 01:05:46 augur, you need more and at the start of sentences as well. Ofcourse. 01:05:57 wut 01:06:10 augur, it annoys ehird. Sentences starting with "and" 01:06:17 more than "ofcourse" I think. 01:06:26 But I'm not sure about that though. 01:06:28 :o 01:06:33 and you tell me this now?! 01:06:40 augur, I thought you knew. 01:07:21 augur, split infinitives didn't have any effect on ehird last I tried. 01:07:28 I guess he is too young to find that bad. 01:07:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lich59xsjik&feature=related 01:07:35 i love this clip 01:08:11 churchill is young then 01:08:12 → 01:08:31 UP WITH WHICH I WILL NOT PUT 01:09:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHYYkZpZGjo&feature=related 01:09:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvQq5xVRHtk 01:10:30 augur, anything worth watching in the latter two 01:10:36 ofcourse 01:10:53 augur, enough if you don't have flash and have to mess with command line apps? 01:11:14 what 01:11:44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Aq359_QeR4&feature=related 01:11:46 this one is brilliant 01:12:19 its just the cool whip one but with lots of editting to make it trippy 01:13:16 augur, what series is these two first from? 01:13:24 its all family guy man 01:13:32 never heard of it 01:13:35 or maybe heard of it 01:13:36 ............. 01:13:38 but never watched it 01:14:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvQq5xVRHtk <-- wth at the setting... 01:14:44 you dont watch family guy, obviously. 01:14:51 augur, I said I didn't 01:14:54 I don't watch TV 01:14:57 I don't HAVE a TV. 01:15:02 neither do i 01:15:04 i dont watch family guy 01:15:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JhuOicPFZY&feature=related 01:15:24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Aq359_QeR4&feature=related <-- this one is broken? 01:15:55 AnMaster: no 01:15:57 its intentionally like that 01:16:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRn5-LQCg2s&feature=fvw 01:16:05 augur, cant stand it 01:17:06 you pasted too many, I list track of which one I was at 01:17:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuAVgWJ28Hw&NR=1 01:17:55 I stopped clicking 01:17:56 too many 01:18:00 man 01:18:01 watch it 01:18:02 bitch 01:18:07 man or bitch 01:18:08 decide 01:24:30 you can be both 01:24:33 you can be... 01:24:34 BITCHMAN 01:25:06 augur, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWMGuh15nE <-- in 4k ! 01:25:45 4k? 01:25:47 the demoscene is awesome 01:25:54 augur, yes, 4 kilobyte 01:26:07 the demo that generated it 01:26:08 oh i thought you meant like 01:26:14 resolution 01:26:17 ...? 01:26:29 4 kilopixel? 01:26:54 roughly 4000x3000 01:26:58 4k of code i assume 01:26:58 heh 01:27:02 or around there. 01:27:02 bsmntbombdood, correct 01:27:54 cool music 01:28:02 the beginning especially yes 01:28:04 i suppose thats interesting, anmaster 01:28:18 augur, it's bloody awesome, that is what it is! 01:28:24 tho itd be more so if it were used in like 01:28:28 real applications. 01:29:04 augur, um, that requires a powerful pc 01:29:14 generated textures 01:29:18 instead of pre-made ones 01:29:19 i imagine that a lot of that is procedurals. 01:29:28 yeah 01:29:28 but like 01:29:39 augur, and it is probably hand coded asm 01:29:48 to fit as much as possible in 01:29:59 you could probably utilize procedural stuff to general stuff on the fly, which is then stored 01:30:04 or something 01:30:17 ai dont know. 01:30:19 whatever 01:30:20 anyway 01:30:24 ai? 01:30:24 im off to read 01:30:26 i* 01:30:29 oh 01:31:54 from the spam directory. Subject: You'd better reply! 01:32:08 is it threats nowdays? 01:46:52 night 01:55:15 -!- CESSMASTER has joined. 02:00:30 -!- CESSMASTER has quit (Remote closed the connection). 02:05:42 -!- CESSMASTER has joined. 02:08:09 wait, someone actually mentioned Malbolge Unshackled in a reddit comment? 02:08:15 * oerjan bounces with joy 02:26:25 gah 02:26:59 did you swallow a fly? 02:27:07 why is newegg's cheapest 1920*1080 monitor $160 cheaper than the cheapest 1920*1200? 02:27:11 * oerjan recommends not proceeding to the spider 02:28:27 erm, that isn't obvious? 02:29:05 it's just a tiny bit smaller 02:29:29 what 02:29:53 and a 2048 * 1152 is just $219 02:31:34 er 02:31:38 newegg's search is borked 02:33:50 i'm confused 02:34:54 i guess you haven't quite cracked newegg yet 02:40:50 -!- CESSMASTER has quit (Remote closed the connection). 02:46:04 -!- CESSMASTER has joined. 02:56:20 ehird: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001317 02:56:27 why is that cheaper than wuxga 03:04:11 -!- Sgeo has joined. 03:07:24 -!- CESSMASTER has quit (Remote closed the connection). 03:07:35 -!- CESSMASTER has joined. 03:16:11 -!- inurinternet has joined. 03:46:43 -!- Darth_Cliche has joined. 03:47:02 So, who here is idle, and who is not? 03:47:51 i'm idle. wait, darn. 03:49:33 hmm... how do you control EgoBot to make it run a program? 03:51:01 !help 03:51:01 help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . 03:51:33 !befunge "dlrow elloH"'''''''''' 03:51:33 Unsupported instruction ''' (0x27) (maybe not Befunge-93?) 03:51:55 !befunge "A"' 03:51:56 Unsupported instruction ''' (0x27) (maybe not Befunge-93?) 03:52:09 !help languages 03:52:10 languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. 03:52:23 !befunge & 03:54:00 !befunge "dlrow elloH",,,,,,,,,,, 03:54:09 ...egobot? 03:54:25 hmm. did my !befunge & crash it? 03:55:47 huh 03:55:55 !echo hi 03:55:56 hi 03:56:16 i suppose there just was no output from the programs 03:56:40 !befunge "dlrow elloH",,,,,,,,,,, 03:57:59 !befunge "h", 03:59:12 * oerjan scratches head 03:59:14 How do I give it a multi-line program? 03:59:19 !befunge98 "h", 03:59:39 use an url 03:59:47 okay then, hold on 03:59:58 !info 03:59:58 EgoBot is a bot for running programs in esoteric programming languages. If you'd like to add support for your language to EgoBot, check out the source via mercurial at https://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/ . Cheers and patches (preferably hg bundles) can be sent to Richards@codu.org , PayPal donations can be sent to AKAQuinn@hotmail.com , complaints can be sent to /dev/null 04:00:35 hm there seems to be no help on using languages in general 04:00:36 how does it handle input, anyway? 04:00:57 !help userinterps 04:00:57 userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. 04:00:58 !befunge http://catseye.tc/projects/befunge93/eg/wumpus.bf 04:01:08 oh, it doesn't 04:01:23 so what happens if an input symbol appears? 04:01:27 !befunge & 04:01:33 probably just hangs 04:01:39 or eof 04:01:40 hmm 04:02:00 wait, eof? 04:02:05 what does that mean? 04:02:12 end of file? 04:02:16 ah 04:02:40 i need to get of now, see you tomorrow 04:02:46 -!- Darth_Cliche has quit ("Dartus Clicus cessare"). 04:03:01 !bf ,>++++++++[<++++++++>-]<. 04:03:16 grmbl 04:03:38 it seems then that it does _not_ just give eof 04:04:04 !befunge "h". 04:04:23 oh wait 04:04:26 -!- pikhq has joined. 04:04:27 !befunge "h".@ 04:04:27 104 04:04:35 aha :D 04:05:05 all the test programs probably just looped 04:08:09 -!- CESSMASTER has quit ("Computer has gone to sleep"). 04:10:29 * Sgeo is in love with Superosity 04:11:12 05:11 There is no such nick superosity 04:11:19 HARD DRIVE FAILURE. 04:12:42 -!- CESSMASTER has joined. 04:14:04 lol oerjan 04:14:14 Superosity.com 04:16:53 * oerjan just checked 04:17:21 * Sgeo is reading random storylines now 04:18:56 -!- CESSMASTER has quit ("Computer has gone to sleep"). 05:01:03 http://superosity.keenspot.com/comics/sup19990618a.png What's the OS in purple? 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14:56:01 popularity 14:56:11 1080p is "the new thing" 14:56:23 because people are fucking idiots and just want to watch movies or something 14:56:27 bsmntbombdood_: that screen is also glossy 14:56:34 again useless for non-movie stuff 14:57:46 20:11:19 HARD DRIVE FAILURE. 14:57:53 well just restore from your off-site backups then ;) 15:04:53 wow, it's that thing i linked a week ago! <-- a week ago? 15:05:00 roughly 15:05:06 ehird, I remember it mentioned some months ago in here first time 15:05:15 not months no 15:05:16 I didn't know you linked it a week ago 15:05:17 weeks i think 15:05:19 as well 15:05:24 i linked it the first time I know that muhc 15:05:26 almost certainly 15:05:27 *much 15:05:36 ehird, I know you linked it in March or so 15:05:39 as well 15:05:51 AnMaster: no, you're hallucinating, misremembering or delusional 15:05:53 i definitely didn't 15:06:08 ehird, I'm pretty sure, but I don't care enough to check logs 15:07:01 OK — 15:07:01 20:53 ehird: Lifeforce was in 4k? 15:07:02 20:53 ehird: I imagine it was a lil bigger than that. 15:07:04 20:53 Deewiant: No, it wasn't. 15:07:06 20:53 AnMaster: wow 15:07:08 20:53 Deewiant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWMGuh15nE was, though. 15:07:10 20:53 Deewiant: Among others. 15:07:10 ehird, when was it? 15:07:12 Deewiant, 2009-04-13 15:07:18 yes Deewiant linked it 15:07:18 But it didn't look like it generated a lot of discussion. 15:07:23 April then? 15:07:26 not March 15:07:27 I mainly remember my link 15:07:46 ehird, *shrug* if it was Deewiant or you? Why should I care 15:07:47 I got it from reddit, so — sec — 15:07:53 point is it was mentioned in here months ago 15:07:55 ... 15:08:02 so I was right :) 15:08:04 AnMaster: the first time it was mentioned that generated any discussion was when i did it 15:08:15 ehird, and? 15:08:38 it's like someone said "dungheap reconstruction digholes" in 2003, never mentioned it again and no discussion happened and then we had a huge discussion about said thing today 15:08:44 and you said "well this isn't the first it's been mentioned!" 15:08:55 which is — technically, pedantically, but only obnoxiously — true. 15:09:01 but sanely and practically false. 15:09:10 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has left (?). 15:09:33 ehird, to me the first event was very important 15:09:48 a pivot point of this channel even! 15:09:54 yes, but you're insane. 15:09:54 (or something) 15:10:04 ehird, so we are all 15:10:09 err grammar 15:10:10 Grammar fail. 15:10:13 omg os x includes a built-in summarizer 15:10:15 and it WORKS 15:10:25 ehird, really? 15:10:30 yah 15:10:55 to a degree 15:11:07 i should put war and peace into it 15:11:13 or the compleat #esoteric logs 15:11:24 if I gave it old B Nomic lists it'd come out with "You're all Fucking Nuts." 15:11:46 AnMaster: gimme a document to summarizify 15:11:56 preferably mostly prose 15:12:07 so eg the c standard won't work too well 15:12:07 ehird, hm... 15:12:15 * AnMaster thinks 15:12:20 OOH 15:12:21 AnMaster: GEB 15:12:34 ehird, I don't have it, nor have I read it, so I can't verify 15:12:35 Summarized to 1 sentence, it will be "What the living fuck did I just read." 15:12:43 ehird, haha 15:12:55 To the Pirate Bay I go, despite owning the book, because that copy is in dead paper form! 15:12:59 ...and in paperback. 15:13:01 ehird, what about http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS 15:13:04 God, it's awful to read. 15:13:10 777 pages. 15:13:12 In paperback. 15:13:32 777 pages? In paperback? 15:13:36 who the hell decided that 15:13:43 you need hardcover 15:13:49 two volumes preferred 15:14:09 AnMaster: nah, it's one volume 15:14:12 and you can get it in hardcover 15:14:19 horrible even in hard-cover 15:14:25 AnMaster: not really. 15:14:36 AnMaster: the complete anthology of the h2g2 books is like >1000 pages and it's fine. 15:14:45 anthology? 15:14:54 cat book* 15:14:57 > antholoy 15:14:58 Not in scope: `antholoy' 15:14:59 anthology 15:15:08 add introduction by douglas adams, salt to taste 15:15:21 AnMaster: http://pastie.org/542340.txt?key=poc5eegs6ksmlsh4vifjg few-sentence summarization of google tos 15:15:31 if you mean "The Ultimate hitch hikers guide to the galaxy" (omnibus edition) I have it in paperback 15:15:37 apart from the second, it does really well 15:15:45 gets all the main points 15:16:19 ehird, do it on the GPL 15:16:19 AnMaster: no, not that one. 15:16:23 haha 15:16:25 nice timing 15:16:33 what do you mean nice timing? 15:16:41 15:16 AnMaster: ehird, do it on the GPL 15:16:41 15:16 ehird: AnMaster: no, not that one. 15:16:45 on my end 15:16:46 ah 15:16:48 exact same time 15:17:00 one second difference here 15:17:11 and I mentally connected it to the h2g2 15:17:15 also what one did you mean then 15:17:21 if not the omnibus edition 15:17:30 AnMaster: http://pastie.org/542344.txt?key=lcpefjknwnww3glcv8er0a 15:17:40 it sort of missed the whole redistribution terms sort of thing 15:17:43 licenses aren't very prosey 15:17:52 AnMaster: and i don't know what it's called 15:18:00 yeah 15:18:18 ehird, so what about GEB? 15:18:25 AnMaster: incidentally, are you aware of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Another_Thing..._%28novel%29 ? 15:18:27 i weep. 15:18:31 AnMaster: need to pirate it first 15:18:32 yarrr 15:18:47 considering it has a bunch of weird characters, i doubt there are many ebooks of it :D 15:18:55 (might all be in unicode, but) 15:19:16 oh it does? 15:19:29 mm 15:19:34 in its programming languages thing 15:19:38 it predates unicode after all 15:19:41 -!- jix has joined. 15:20:23 um that link 15:20:26 how strange 15:20:41 yes. 15:20:42 the last book ended in a way preventing further books didn't it? 15:20:46 wait 15:20:52 that doesn't stop things in there 15:20:57 haven't done before 15:21:03 AnMaster: i'm not sure how he's going to get around the earth being destroyed along the entire probability axis 15:21:04 :P 15:21:09 (and everyone on it) 15:21:25 270+ Popular Science Books // hooray for torrent file selection 15:21:30 ARGH 15:21:31 it's compressed 15:21:35 into one file 15:21:36 fuck my life 15:21:39 oh? a big rar 15:21:42 suckz 15:21:43 no 15:21:44 sucks* 15:21:44 .uif 15:21:47 of .djvus and .pdfs 15:21:50 some ebook format shit 15:21:51 what the hell is uif? 15:21:55 some ebook format shit 15:22:03 you said it all the 270 books was in one file? 15:22:09 yes........ 15:22:15 all in one pdf? 15:22:18 no............ 15:22:31 all in one rar? 15:22:35 no 15:22:36 all in one .uif, which contains .djvus and .pdfs. presumably, .uif is a file format for software & hardware ebook packs 15:22:40 what is hard for you to understand about this 15:22:42 ah 15:22:52 ehird, I didn't know what uif was! 15:22:55 anyway 15:22:59 how do you unpack uif 15:23:11 i don't know but i'm not downloading 2gb to find out 15:23:13 also what is djvu hm 15:23:17 an ebook format. 15:23:23 I see 15:23:26 if they were separate files i could select just GEB. 15:23:51 # 15:23:51 * Douglas Hofstadter - Godel Escher Bach.zip 24 Mb 15:23:56 suspicious. 15:24:58 might be scanned 15:25:27 ha 15:25:33 or be in a bloated ebook format 15:25:35 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:25:36 or, it's a windows virus. 15:25:39 oerjan, hiwc 15:25:45 hi AnMaster 15:25:47 oerjan: BE VEWY VEWY FWIGHTENED 15:25:55 THEY ARE COMING AFTER YOUR WINDOWS 15:26:24 ehird, did the nasal demons clean them first? 15:26:28 * oerjan sniffles 15:26:40 AnMaster: they just clean the api. 15:26:40 then they can have _my_ virus. *atchoo* 15:26:46 ehird, ah right 15:26:54 well they wash it 15:27:03 it might not necessarily be clean afterwards 15:27:16 true 15:28:43 being nasal demons, they probably wash it _with_ snot 15:35:32 AnMaster: it's a scanned GEB… in multiple .docs 15:38:48 AnMaster: ew, it's just ascii-ized 15:39:07 AnMaster: incidentally, are you aware of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Another_Thing..._%28novel%29 ? 15:39:24 yet another point for always trusting your first impression 15:39:35 wat 15:39:41 oh 15:39:44 the thing he said 15:39:45 :D 15:43:42 Apply for your Free 60 day Trial 15:43:42 Experience the power of OpenSPARC free for 60 days with a Sun SPARC Enterprise Server with CoolThreads technology. 15:43:44 For a full 60 days you can try Sun's coolest servers at your site—with no risk, no commitment and no charge. At the end of the trial period, you can buy the trial unit or return it—no questions asked. Benefit from a full 60-day trial in your production environment: 15:43:50 AnMaster: oerjan: do you know how to change identity? 15:43:53 i have some theft to do. 15:44:01 ehird, err...? 15:44:07 step 1. get trial 15:44:11 step 2. run away 15:44:14 step 3. ??? 15:44:16 step 4. SUN SERVER 15:44:23 -_- 15:44:25 -!- Pthing has joined. 15:44:26 no idea 15:47:30 wait, DMM _edited_ yesterday's annotation 15:48:50 for once, my obsessive compulsion to check i haven't missed a day pays out :D 15:50:02 fun fact: we have flying cars,, they're called PEOPLE 15:50:56 that was today, not yesterday 15:51:15 oh true. 15:51:23 oerjan: i was just being absurdist. 15:51:48 insufficiently absurd. try mermaids. 15:52:00 mermaids are basically flies though. 15:52:14 that theory sounds fishy 15:52:38 -!- randomity has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 15:52:38 -!- Leonidas has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 15:53:38 a very random netsplit 15:53:52 also a bit spartan 15:54:16 i need to write that p2p encrypted chat thing 15:54:20 netsplits always consist of one person :) 15:54:27 -!- randomity has joined. 15:54:27 -!- Leonidas has joined. 15:54:30 well unless you're that person 15:54:34 then it consists of everyone else 15:54:43 um there were definitely two there 15:54:51 15:54 ehird: i need to write that p2p encrypted chat thing 15:54:57 READING COMPREHENSION!!! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! 15:54:58 and? 15:55:04 I don't get it either 15:55:20 what does it have to do with netsplits 15:55:26 ehird: the AnMaster virus is spreading. be vewy afwaid. 15:55:29 no habla inglés! 15:55:48 oh right I see what you mean 15:56:16 make it p2p over irc 15:56:16 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 15:56:25 for no particular reason 15:56:50 .......... 15:56:53 you're dumb. 15:57:17 AnMaster: that would make it vulnerable to actual irc netsplits 15:57:24 oerjan, yes! 15:57:27 that was my poin 15:57:30 point* 15:57:40 Dum dum dum dum dumb. 15:57:45 humour 15:57:48 -_- 15:57:58 Lack of it. 16:08:08 so incidentally 16:08:14 years ago 16:08:28 an isp of some kind offered a free (commercial) game if you signed up for them 16:08:38 but somehow it didn't actually require you to sign up for them 16:08:46 so you could just pick a game and address and they'd deliver it to you :D 16:08:52 i think i still have it 16:11:03 -!- pikhq has joined. 16:12:57 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 16:15:05 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has joined. 16:15:40 ehird, what game 16:15:42 and very odd 16:15:49 what isp? 16:16:01 bbl 16:16:24 AnMaster: it was uh i don't remember, some sci-fi racing game of some sort, all the others looked crap, it was quite fun 16:16:26 isp, dunno, dunno 16:16:29 so long 16:16:32 :p 16:18:11 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 16:23:12 you know, even if Cheney on the M.T.A. wasn't a cool garbage collection algorithm 16:23:16 i'd still use it just for the name 16:23:21 fun fax. 16:23:28 augur: hey can you explain a linguistic quirk i have? 16:33:53 -!- jix has quit (Remote closed the connection). 16:33:56 -!- jix has joined. 16:47:43 -!- inurinternet has joined. 16:49:51 * ehird kicks augur 16:49:55 -!- rodgort has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 16:58:11 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 17:01:18 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:02:32 -!- rodgort has joined. 17:03:30 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 17:05:45 ehird, what quirk? 17:06:32 AnMaster: i always say "a h*" e.g. "a halo", and hate people who say "an halo", because it sounds dumbtarded. but I just realised today that I'd say "an honor killing" 17:06:38 and "a honor killing" sounds dumbtarded. 17:06:44 and I'm wondering why the fuck, and what logic's behind it 17:06:49 maybe the two Hs are different 17:06:59 they don't sound the same to me at least 17:07:04 when you put an in front 17:07:09 honor is like 'onor 17:07:12 halo is like haylow 17:08:11 One h is silent, the other isn't. 17:08:50 Man. It's crazy how much faster my system is now. 17:09:06 It's also a shame that I've got a dead 500G drive now, instead of a working one. 17:09:21 pikhq: Did you go DDR3? 17:09:21 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:09:43 -!- Judofyr has joined. 17:09:56 ehird: No. 17:10:00 pikhq: HEATHEN! 17:10:06 Wasn't it only $30 or something? :P 17:10:33 $30 more. Welcome to the real world, where people spend less money sometimes. 17:12:02 If I was going to do a major upgrade, and it was $30 for a good amount of extra performance and make my equipment last longer for upgrades, and also it involved getting parts from a respected company (Crucial) instead of a no-name brand like that DDR2 RAM, I'd certainly go for it. 17:12:03 Just seems odd. 17:12:43 17:11 Barhine: NE1 HERE goin to the singularity university? 17:12:46 — #wikipedia 17:12:50 I suspect him of being underqualified. 17:13:50 AnMaster: i always say "a h*" e.g. "a halo", and hate people who say "an halo", because it sounds dumbtarded. but I just realised today that I'd say "an honor killing" <-- easy 17:13:56 as Deewiant said 17:14:01 right. 17:14:01 Most of the reason for me getting new stuff was freaking hardware failure. 17:14:03 it depends on the sound, not the spelling 17:14:19 ehird, you learn this when you have English as a second language 17:14:31 Yeah, I don't really know much about English, I can just speak it 17:14:40 ehird, same for me with Swedish 17:14:44 AnMaster: Most people don't learn that? 17:14:48 Really? 17:14:51 pikhq, what? 17:15:14 That a vs. an is dependent on the following sound, not the letter? 17:15:34 I know that, duh. 17:15:35 (thus why 'an halo' sounds dumbtarded) 17:15:37 pikhq, that is what I said everyone learnt when you use English as a second language 17:15:43 Ah. 17:15:43 But I couldn't tell the h in "halo" vs "honor" 17:15:45 differed 17:15:56 they're quite close for me. 17:15:59 ehird: I thought it was obvious there, too. 17:16:05 /shrug 17:16:11 my dialect is weird 17:16:15 Granted, in American English, they are more distinguishable. 17:16:16 ehird, it sounds like "halo" and "onor" 17:16:17 it's incredibly nondescript 17:16:21 as paradoxical as that sounds 17:16:22 ehird: There is no h in "honour" 17:16:38 `addquote ehird: There is no h in "honour" 17:16:39 36| ehird: There is no h in "honour" 17:16:43 And there is no I in team! 17:17:35 ehird: I made my equipment last longer for upgrades by getting a freaking current-gen CPU. That sufficient? ;) 17:18:00 I'd say something about sockets and motherboards, but I won't. 17:19:29 ehird: Well, it's true :-P 17:19:40 > 'h' `elem "honour" 17:19:41 : parse error on input `"' 17:19:42 > 'h' `elem` "honour" 17:19:43 True 17:19:46 Deewiant: Orally?! 17:20:06 > 'h' `elem` "heɪloʊ" 17:20:08 True 17:20:13 > let 'h' `elem` "honour" = False in 'h' `elem` "honour" 17:20:15 False 17:20:15 > 'h' `elem` "ɒnər" 17:20:17 False 17:20:40 If you want to be pedantic, there's no h in "ɒnər" 17:20:42 Hey, Lou! Pner. 17:20:56 But it's all honour anyway :-P 17:21:06 pikhq: Yes, (let x = y in x) is y. 17:21:08 Except... 17:21:14 When it's not! 17:21:18 > let Nothing = 2 in Nothing 17:21:19 No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (Data.Maybe.Maybe t)) 17:21:19 arising from the lite... 17:21:20 er 17:21:23 > let 2 = 3 in Nothing 17:21:24 Nothing 17:21:26 ... 17:21:27 > let 2 = 3 in 2 17:21:29 2 17:21:33 Except when I mess it up thrice in a row. 17:21:51 ehird: That's because Nothing is not a function, it's a type constructor. ;) 17:21:54 > let 2 = 3 in 2 == 3 17:21:55 False 17:22:08 pikhq: "2 = 3" sir. 17:22:16 And 2 is a literal, not a function. 17:22:18 Nothing was just a mi steak. 17:22:21 Also, shut up. 17:22:26 How can you let a literal = something? 17:22:32 Deewiant: pattern matching 17:22:41 Only works on valid function names. 17:22:46 Since when can you match against numbers? 17:22:46 Deewiant: it's just like 'f 2 = ...' or 'case x of ...' 17:22:51 Deewiant: ... 17:22:54 Deewiant: (Just a) 17:22:55 2 17:22:56 etc 17:23:00 factorial 0 = 1 17:23:03 you know? 17:23:14 So why doesn't the match, y'know, fail? 17:23:26 > let Nothing = Just 2 in Nothing 17:23:43 Nothing 17:23:43 Deewiant: because let-bindings don't fail. 17:23:46 * pikhq does a quick bit of shouting at Xorg 17:23:53 good question though. ask your mother^U#haskell 17:23:56 er 17:23:56 ^W 17:23:58 Hmm, you're right they don't 17:24:09 "AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd' or 'mouse' will be disabled." 17:24:10 Because if you just match against a constant value 17:24:13 WHY IS THAT A FEATURE. 17:24:13 You never use the resullt 17:24:19 -l 17:24:24 right 17:24:25 or something 17:24:31 pikhq: Because X is stupid. 17:24:36 ehird: let-bindings can fail 17:24:49 It's just that you're not binding anything 17:24:50 > let Just a = Nothing in a 17:24:52 * Exception: :1:137-152: Irrefutable pattern failed for patter... 17:24:55 right 17:24:56 ehird: It's a shame that it's the best thing on Linux, isn't it? 17:24:59 i was gonna say that 17:25:15 It's a matter of "it works *just* well enough to prevent people from throwing it away." 17:25:18 but analogued too far to 'case x of Just a -> bind a' 17:25:18 *sigh* 17:25:21 but w/e 17:25:33 pikhq: That's FOSS for you. 17:25:42 pikhq: fuck 17:25:48 pikhq: http://imgur.com/hG5aT.jpg all imageshack images return this 17:25:50 it's anti-sec 17:25:51 AGAIN 17:26:04 i'm scared now. 17:26:10 Lemme just say that I'm hopeful that Chrome OS makes for a tolerable windowing system. 17:26:19 helloooooooooooooo 17:26:25 huge website cracked by the anti-sec guys 17:26:27 panic 17:26:30 Oh. 17:26:32 Fuck. 17:26:43 I'd look but I don't have X working yet. 17:26:53 pikhq: libcaca 17:26:56 well that won't work for text 17:26:57 OCR 17:26:59 ehird: Meh. 17:27:00 or a framebuffer viewer 17:27:13 If I cared enough I could set up links2. 17:27:24 pikhq: You know who i'm talking about right :p 17:27:33 astalavista and related guys who posted the log 17:27:38 -!- Judofyr has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:27:45 Yes, I know. 17:30:46 Sweet; X works. 17:30:51 Just had to turn on HAL. 17:30:58 Well duh. 17:31:01 Xorg uses HAL now. 17:31:07 Thereby letting X automagically do configuration. 17:31:13 Yes. 17:31:17 Although HAL is being replaced. 17:31:19 Which is awesome. 17:31:21 Apparently with something less XML. 17:31:22 Oh? 17:31:25 Which is always good. 17:31:30 YAY! 17:31:32 pikhq: Yuhuh; I forget what it's called. 17:31:40 I'm just speaking from memory 17:31:43 It might be EVEN MORE XML 17:31:48 Now, gimme a few minutes while I install Conkeror. 17:31:59 Are you still using Dumbtoo? 17:32:12 wow that was a terrible way of insulting gentoo 17:32:17 No, I'm using Gentoo. 17:32:50 *Dumbtoo 17:32:54 :P 17:33:25 pikhq: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jul/0095.html is text-only transcript 17:33:26 if you want 17:33:35 also has a transcript 17:33:40 well, a two-line one 17:34:09 Amusingly, the limiting factor so far has not been compile speed. 17:34:16 It's been my Internet connection. 17:34:30 Uhh, interwebs are generally the slow point in any system. 17:34:38 Or HD, if without networking. 17:34:43 Compiling? 17:34:52 That's rather CPU-bound. ;) 17:35:11 You won't be liking your computer when I buy a BEOWULF CLUSTER!!!!!! 17:35:35 Hah. 17:40:43 Meanwhile, some people are retired and they can't help it they were born with lack of oxygen. 17:40:56 [http://imgur.com/vKy5j.jpg, via reddit] 17:42:07 ehird 17:43:36 "a honor" would be completely wrong, because the word "honor" begins with a vowel (the his spelling, and therefore irrelevant to this issue) 17:43:49 on the other hand "an halo" is extremely unusual 17:44:01 right 17:44:08 augur: i see people say "an h" a lot more than i ever would 17:44:19 for things i pronounce with an h (← lol example) 17:44:26 it weirds me out 17:44:30 stoopid dialects 17:44:39 most of all because "an" followed by actual h sounds always requires, as far as i can tell 17:44:49 second-syllable stress 17:45:04 an hi-STOR-ic 17:45:09 augur: so "an hexagon" could work too? 17:45:13 but a HIS-tor-y 17:45:20 no 17:45:26 HEX-a-gon 17:45:26 i can see "an hexagon" working, "an historic" sort of 17:45:31 augur: oh, right. 17:45:34 :P 17:45:35 i was misthinking 17:45:40 an hexagon could work though 17:45:46 an '(very faint h)exagon 17:45:59 ofcourse, the an-h rule is only partial 17:46:08 not everyone has that in their phonology 17:46:15 but its almost /always/ that rule 17:46:33 and its usually, if not always, hI 17:46:40 @americans: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/380923.stm? 17:46:41 Unknown command, try @list 17:46:45 s/\?$// 17:46:48 read it and weep 17:46:50 not hA or h-anything else 17:46:54 "A booming economy has generated massive tax revenues, and President Bill Clinton now predicts that it would take the government just 16 years to reduce the public debt to zero." 17:47:11 augur: herb is unisyllabic and can be stressed, no? 17:47:20 oh god i hate "an herb" 17:47:20 has to be stressed 17:47:22 want to FUCKING KILL 17:47:35 i can see an herb 17:47:42 Yes, and under Bill Clinton's policies, it would have... 17:47:50 ehird: dictionary.com lists it as the primary pronunciation :-P 17:47:59 i wonder if it's possible to get a monitor with real glass 17:48:00 Deewiant: You will DIE. 17:48:06 Granted, that's because a large part of Bill Clinton's domestic policy consisted of "don't fuck things up". 17:48:07 bsmntbombdood_: Yes, it's called an iPhone. 17:48:09 Why me? I say it "a herb". 17:48:13 Well, I think that's just covered with glass. 17:48:15 Deewiant: <3 17:48:20 Just pointing out the facts. 17:48:24 pikhq: Clinton was still center-right. 17:48:30 /ɜrb or, especially Brit., hɜrb/ 17:48:30 More right than center. 17:48:36 Deewiant: dictionary.com is filthy mercan 17:48:37 also 17:48:41 ehird: this monitor has bug-juice stains all over it that i can't get off 17:48:42 America is actually merca 17:48:42 ehird: Yes, and "don't fuck things up" is a rather center-right policy. 17:48:50 bsmntbombdood_: Well, don't do that. 17:48:52 like deewiant says 17:48:53 also 17:48:59 A center-right policy in the realms of sanity, but still. ;) 17:49:02 "an herb" is obviously required in american english 17:49:05 ehird: There's an interesting usage note at http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/herb (near the middle) 17:49:06 pikhq: I attack you with my far-left politics! 17:49:10 Critical hit! 17:49:11 because of the h-less-ness of the word in american english 17:49:12 pikhq fainted. 17:49:19 MISSINGNO learned DF*@*~¶ˆ§ 17:49:27 ehird: I'm far-left myself... 17:49:36 Shush you. 17:49:38 You, and your facts. 17:49:43 It's just that, being in the US, I've learned to be appreciative of anyone that's sane. 17:49:45 Didn't you listen to David Byrne? 17:49:59 * pikhq mutters at X some more 17:50:06 My alt keys have become Alt-GR keys! 17:50:08 BOTH OF THEM! 17:50:44 ehird: very frequently, tho, an-h without /I/ is artificial 17:50:47 Deewiant: which one in particular 17:50:56 augur: note — i don't grok ipa 17:51:06 well, this is sampa, but 17:51:08 ehird: I see only one 17:51:11 I is the sound in "it" 17:51:21 sampa is just a lexicographicological replacement of IPA :P 17:51:25 RP, ofcourse 17:51:26 because 17:51:27 like 17:51:29 Deewiant: What do you mean? 17:51:32 What entry are yout alking about? 17:51:35 if you're australian, lets say 17:51:43 "it" has a diphthong 17:51:43 ehird: "Usage note". 17:51:50 or something 17:51:53 ah. 17:51:53 byeeeee 17:51:54 <3 17:51:55 It's in a grey box in the middle. 17:51:59 augur: Hiiiiiiiiiiiii. 17:52:09 /hai/ 17:52:09 Deewiant: thought you meant middle of first entry, or middle entry 17:52:11 or something 17:55:03 "The Endor Holocaust was a theory put forward by Imperial propaganda agents after the Battle of Endor. It was theorized that after the destruction of the second Death Star over Endor in 4 ABY, the moon and its inhabitants were devastated by falling debris.[1] However, the moon and its primary sentient species, the Ewoks, were both still in existence long after the Death Star's destruction, and the Alliance of Free Planets established a base on the moon.[ 17:55:05 2] Much of the debris of the superweapon was sent through a hyperspace wormhole that briefly opened up when the Death Star's hyperdrive regulator was destroyed" 17:55:08 ↑ NOT A COPOUT WHATSOEVR 17:55:10 *WHATSOEVER 17:56:48 ehird, where is that from 17:56:52 wikipedia? 17:56:56 http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Endor_Holocaust 17:57:03 oh god 17:57:10 As if Wikipedia would have an article on the ENDOR HOLOCAUST. 17:57:19 ehird, no. 17:57:30 the [1] and [2] confused me 18:00:19 goddamn my internet connection sucks 18:01:01 bsmntbombdood_: isn't it 2mbit dsl or something? 18:01:03 could be worse. 18:01:09 ehird: 1.5 18:01:12 ouch 18:01:15 okay i retract my statement 18:01:28 bsmntbombdood_: shitty area for internet i guess? 18:01:29 move :D 18:01:36 and i only ever get 1 megabit 18:03:17 you are lucky, think of pikhq 18:03:29 I'm on 1 megabit, myself. 18:03:38 1 SPACE MEGABIT 18:03:43 IN SPACE! 18:04:29 Space Is Fun. 18:06:30 -!- Judofyr has joined. 18:39:38 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:54:47 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 19:00:24 A tall order, for you, sir. 19:00:25 Hi ais523 19:04:01 hi 19:11:33 -!- jix has joined. 19:16:17 ok, so it seems the former CEO for SCO Germany owns unXis's German website 19:19:10 unxis is from sco it seems? 19:19:17 lol "The software business is to be sold to unXis, whilst the SCO Group will continue the business of litigating against Novell, IBM" 19:19:33 now i want to kill off everyone part of SCO even more :) 19:19:59 unXis is where they're trying to 'sell' all the assets that are actually worth something 19:20:06 leaving SCO behind as a litigation shell company 19:20:23 IBM's lawyers are upset about this, and subpoenad unXis massively 19:21:28 [[ Saturday, July 11, 109 19:21:28 We have recently redesigned our web site,]] 19:21:32 FSVO recently 19:26:12 Microsoft Exchange replaces the portion of the mail system that stores messages waiting to be read, which is currently implemented using several servers running a open-source program called Cyrus and a mail protocol known as IMAP, the Internet Message Access Protocol. 19:26:13 — http://tech.mit.edu/V129/N29/webmail.html 19:26:16 how could you, MIT! 19:26:27 how could you! 19:27:24 from later in the article: "The other major change to MIT’s mail system is the introduction of Symantec’s Brightmail AntiSpam filters and quarantine system, a web-based system which has replaced the Apache SpamAssassin filters." 19:27:26 symantec 19:27:27 awesome! 19:27:29 not 19:28:35 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 19:28:58 MIT, WTF? 19:29:19 Long ways away from the beauty that was Project Athena. 19:31:26 pikhq: "Athena continues in use today, providing a ubiquitous computing platform for education at MIT; plans are to continue its use indefinitely." 19:31:27 Was? 19:31:36 Originally, the Athena release used Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) as the base operating system for all hardware platforms. By the mid 1990s, public clusters consisted of the Solaris operating system on SPARC hardware from Sun Microsystems, and the Irix operating system on MIPS hardware from Silicon Graphics, Inc. (SGI). SGI hardware was dropped in anticipation of the end of Irix production in 2006. Linux-Athena was introduced in version 9, with 19:31:38 the Red Hat Enterprise Linux operating system running on cheaper x86 or x86-64 hardware. Athena 9 also replaced the internally-developed "DASH" menu system and Motif Window Manager (mwm) with a more modern GNOME desktop. Athena 10,[3]planned for 2009,[4] will be based on Ubuntu Linux (derived from Debian) only. Support for Solaris is expected to be dropped almost entirely.[5] 19:31:44 Doesn't sound dead to me 19:32:01 ehird: Shit like that makes it sound like they're killing it. :P 19:32:05 pikhq: though that article mentions you can use Google Apps For My Domain as well 19:32:16 it may be a perverse way to get people to use that instead :-D 19:49:59 -!- augur has joined. 19:50:05 -!- jix has quit ("Lost terminal"). 19:52:59 -!- calamari has joined. 19:54:30 -!- Judofyr has changed nick to Magnus__. 19:55:21 -!- Magnus__ has changed nick to Judofyr. 20:01:33 hi ais523 20:01:49 hi 20:04:33 -!- M0ny has joined. 20:07:44 -!- jix has joined. 20:10:09 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:11:30 One h is silent, the other isn't. 20:11:35 what he said. 20:11:53 a/an is based on sound, not spelling. 20:13:29 :P 20:14:19 a rule which is obvious to everyone _except_ the native speakers? :D 20:14:20 pikhq: haha, after looking at the athena page on the mit site when you said they were killing it, i idly clicked around. they say that on your personal laptop/desktop, if you use linux, you should use red hat enterprise 5 and they'll supply a license 20:14:23 there are no words 20:14:31 oerjan: i think pikhq is a native speaker... 20:14:38 ais523: (↑) 20:14:40 well 20:14:42 ↑↑↑↑ 20:14:47 wait it was ↑↑↑↑↑ by that message 20:14:48 oh well 20:14:50 For certain definitions of native, yes. 20:15:00 wat 20:15:15 I couldn't speak until I was like 4. 20:15:18 ehird: bear with me i've only gotten to the second person to point it out yet :D 20:15:28 :D 20:15:31 pikhq: wow 20:15:33 My language learning is therefore a bit... Idiosyncratic. 20:15:44 pikhq: could you read when 4? 20:15:50 (yay, autism) 20:15:53 I could read when I was 2. 20:16:21 i think i learned to read and speak at like roughly the same time 20:16:23 when i was about 2 20:16:28 wait, earlier than that 20:16:36 i know that i knew the word "vocabulary" when i was 2 20:16:40 so i probably didn't start then 20:20:09 hah, i could read when i was in the womb 20:20:23 too bad the library delivery service was horrible there 20:20:48 but then they _did_ have to go upward in the snow, both ways. 20:21:00 :D 20:21:22 nowadays there isn't so much snow, we even have lawns to tell you to _get_ _off_ 20:21:22 oerjan: so your mother was a one-sided hill? 20:21:24 interesting. 20:21:33 no no, we lived on one 20:21:39 oh. 20:21:43 that's much less interesting. 20:21:54 i was imagining them walking up, both ways, then just dropping it in like a hole like in a volcano 20:21:56 and it'd just find its way 20:23:05 no volcanos in mainland norway, alas 20:23:55 there is one at Jan Mayen island, though 20:25:09 it's an oerjancano. 20:25:14 oerjan: kay? no. 20:27:49 my dialect is weird <-- are you from 'artford, 'ereford or 'ampshire, where 'urricanes 'ardly hever 'appen? 20:28:00 >_< 20:28:02 DIE 20:28:23 (If you imagined that as an extremely loud, guttural and raging scream, full of bloodlus, you got it right.) 20:28:26 bloodlust also. 20:28:35 why must i die merely for misquoting My Fair Lady? :( 20:29:12 or maybe you have something against people from 'artford, 'ereford and 'ampshire. 20:29:13 Bloodlust. That's why. 20:29:59 also, i remember you're from 'exham. 20:30:31 oerjan: not from. not from. 20:30:41 we've moved like. 5 times. 20:30:46 ah. 20:31:20 i was actually born in the south. 20:31:44 but you couldn't really notice either way i don't think; my accent is, as I've said, weird in its nondescriptity. 20:31:46 johannesburg? 20:31:54 (that's pretty south) 20:32:18 erm. let's say hemel hempstead. in england. 20:32:31 * oerjan has a cold and might be delirious without noting 20:32:31 i was only born there tough 20:32:37 iirc nobody in the family lived there at the time 20:32:45 'emel 'empstead it is, then. 20:33:06 I wonder what circumstances lead to me being born there 20:33:36 in 'ertfordshire 20:33:42 fuck you 20:33:49 :D 20:34:27 by "weird", do you mean your dialect is actually a mingling of all the places you've lived? 20:34:52 that's the thing, I don't think it's regional at all 20:34:56 apart from being british 20:35:49 mhm 20:35:53 food -> 20:41:11 * oerjan _realizes_something_ 20:41:14 darn 20:41:52 _why_ 20:42:03 must 20:42:21 irssi underline only one word when doing that? 20:42:30 oerjan: lol 20:42:36 oerjan: lame client and your FORMATTING 20:42:45 oerjan: also, it's just science 20:42:56 oerjan: _ ok look for the next _ aha inbetween is realizes, italicize that 20:42:58 normal text something 20:43:02 oop a start of italics _ 20:43:04 look for the next 20:43:05 there is none! 20:43:09 oh well. just put it in there. 20:43:17 no 20:43:21 wat 20:43:30 foo 20:43:34 wat 20:43:43 what i mean is i cannot get it to underline more than word word, whether i _do_this_ or _do this_ 20:43:51 i have to _do_ _this_ 20:43:59 which seems excessive 20:44:07 * pikhq tries to remembber the key combination for underlining 20:44:10 ah 20:44:10 hm, _what__about__this_? 20:44:14 bah 20:44:27 This? 20:44:27 oerjan: does it really matter to you? we can't see the underlines. 20:44:29 No. 20:44:30 it's not about real underlining anyway 20:44:32 pikhq: we have no colours 20:44:34 in here 20:44:36 so no formatting 20:44:40 ehird: Curses. 20:44:46 no 20:44:48 irssi uses curses 20:44:50 but many clients don't 20:44:56 i.e., all graphical ones and all simple text ones 20:44:58 and probably some others. 20:44:59 ehird: well i guess it's just an annoying irssi display quirk 20:45:02 god, that joke was AnMaster quailty 20:45:03 >_< 20:45:04 Specifically, irssi uses ncurses. 20:45:06 *quality 20:45:09 And ERC doesn't. 20:45:12 pikhq: it can use any curses, can't it 20:45:19 ehird: Possibly. 20:45:26 Blame the fe-common/core/fe-messages.c function expand_emphasis. That's the culprit. 20:45:31 ehird: wait, what joke? 20:45:38 fizzie: s/Blame/Patch/ :-P 20:45:41 oerjan: 20:45:42 The curses one? 20:45:44 * pikhq mutters at TeXlive 20:45:44 20:44 pikhq: ehird: Curses. 20:45:45 20:44 ehird: no 20:45:45 20:44 ehird: irssi uses curses 20:45:47 20:44 ehird: but many clients don't 20:45:49 20:44 ehird: i.e., all graphical ones and all simple text ones 20:45:51 20:44 ehird: and probably some others. 20:45:53 that one. 20:45:54 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 20:45:56 pikhq: isn't texlive that thing that's like 100GB? 20:46:11 * oerjan detects no joke 20:46:16 Why must it be distributed as a series of very small tarballs? 20:46:20 oerjan: 20:46:21 20:44 ehird: pikhq: we have no colours 20:46:22 20:44 ehird: in here 20:46:23 20:44 ehird: so no formatting 20:46:25 he was exclaiming it 20:46:27 "Curses!" 20:46:31 and i took it as the library curses 20:46:37 pikhq: isn't for os x 20:46:41 it's a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge dmg 20:46:44 ah. 20:46:47 ehird: Is for source code. 20:46:50 oh. 20:46:56 pikhq: you're trying to compile tex? 20:46:58 that way lies madness 20:46:58 chalk me up for one AnMaster quality joke comprehension, then 20:47:06 ehird: No, Portage is. 20:47:07 oerjan: :-D 20:47:14 pikhq: slap it. it's silly. 20:47:23 The fetching is driving me crazy, though. 20:47:34 ehird: I installed TeXlive by compiling it with macports, and it worked just fine, as long as "just fine" means you're a-okay with waiting a couple of hours. 20:47:53 fizzie: i just downloaded the dmg and clicked and let it pollute my namespace and give me a few kind of lame graphical applications 20:47:57 I've got high latency. So, each 100k file takes a couple seconds to start downloading. 20:48:05 And Portage fetches them sequentially. 20:48:06 apart from the long download... 20:48:09 pikhq: just get a binary. 20:48:16 ehird: Years of Debian usage has made the "I need something -> fire up the package manager" a reflex. 20:48:26 fizzie: yeah; it doesn't pay off on the mac though 20:48:28 ehird: But that's not in the package manager. 20:48:30 even fink, apt-based, always compils 20:48:32 compiles 20:48:43 pikhq: surely you can hack up a package file? or perhaps use something like checkinstall? 20:48:51 no? your package manager sucks! 20:49:06 But that requires maintanence. 20:49:16 "/* check that the beginning marker starts a word, and that the matching end marker ends a word */" is what the underlining thing tests. 20:49:18 At bare minimum paying attention to when TeXlive updates. 20:49:27 pikhq: not really. TeXlive is updated once every year or something like that, and it barely ever changes 20:49:31 having used it across two versions i think 20:49:34 did not notice one difference 20:49:42 And the "ending marker" is the next _ from the first one. 20:49:47 TeX never, ever changes; and derivatives rarely do too 20:49:50 -!- inurinternet has quit (Connection timed out). 20:49:52 so only minor updates to related tools 20:50:06 -!- inurinternet has joined. 20:50:07 So in that case _this should underline a long thing_ but I'm not really sure. 20:50:13 Okay, so that requires one-time effort to make a binary package. 20:50:20 Which is dumb. 20:50:38 _then why does this not work_ 20:50:46 pikhq: With checkinstall, it hooks into make and everything. You just give it a name, version, license (autodetected, incidentally), and maybe even a description, hit enter, and it's installed. 20:51:10 I know it can do .debs and .rpms; let's see if it does whatever portage dose. 20:51:12 ehird: Yes, I know. 20:51:15 That's more work than emerge. 20:51:31 fizzie: well this might not be the newest version of irssi, come to think of it. 20:51:35 Portage's binary packages are tarballs with metadata appended on the end. 20:51:44 oerjan: /* allow only *word* emphasis, not *multiple words* */ if (!settings_get_bool("emphasis_multiword")) { ... 20:51:52 oerjan: Maybe you should set that setting. 20:51:54 ooh 20:52:24 _testing ho_ 20:52:26 *Oooh aaah*. 20:52:31 :D 20:52:35 yay 20:52:44 compiling tex is not mad ehird 20:52:55 portage has done it quite a few times for me 20:53:00 But apparently downloading it is. 20:53:00 now to wait until i discover that looks _horrible with code_ 20:53:05 When in problem, source-dive. (Which I think is the word nethack people use for looking at the source when wondering something about the game mechanics.) 20:53:13 s/problem/doubt/, eh. 20:53:20 not that there is any code in this channel, anyhow *ducks* 20:53:35 *does this too?* 20:53:38 *does this too* 20:53:54 12:51:12 ehird: Yes, I know. 20:53:55 > let kill = "KILL " ++ in kill "OERJAN!!" 20:53:55 apparently ? is not considered end of word 20:53:56 12:51:15 That's more work than emerge. 20:53:57 : parse error on input `in' 20:54:00 pikhq: it's quicker, in total time 20:54:05 The "?*" thing does not match the "!ishighalnum(end[-1])" test. 20:54:31 ehird: Sure, but automated time is cheaper than my time. 20:54:52 your mom :P 20:55:10 fizzie: end[-1]? 20:55:11 oh gawd 20:55:16 "Wait while emerge does its thing" is more time-consuming for *me* than "wget&&tar -xf&&cd&&./configure&&make&&checkinstall" 20:55:17 fizzie: perlists coding C? 20:55:31 pikhq: ./configure&&make? I was talking about a binary package. 20:55:37 Oh, right. 20:55:38 *oh wait*! 20:55:39 More like "wget&&tar -xf&&cd&&checkinstall". 20:55:45 vs "emerge butt" 20:55:55 For the minimal amount of extra effort in the former, it is a lot quicker. 20:55:57 :p 20:56:03 In this case, "emerge a lot of packages here" 20:56:05 They seem to use that sort of idioms rather ofter, with char-pointers. 20:56:16 fizzie: anti-idiom, more like 20:56:38 There's also a lot of places where it's combined with something like "(pos > 0 && bgn[-1] != ' ')" to avoid pointing at bad places. 20:56:39 pikhq: you need parentheses around "KILL " ++ 20:56:53 oerjan: Oh, sure enough. 20:57:06 Don't I feel silly. 20:57:12 oerjan: You're helping him kill you? How... polite. 20:57:23 fizzie: we aim to please 20:57:26 > let kill = ("KILL " ++) in kill "OERJAN!!" 20:57:28 "KILL OERJAN!!" 20:58:00 > let kill whoeverItIs = "KILL " ++ whoeverItIs ++ "!!" in kill "oerjan" 20:58:01 "KILL oerjan!!" 20:58:06 > let kill whoeverItIs = "KILL " ++ map toUpper whoeverItIs ++ "!!" in kill "oerjan" 20:58:07 "KILL OERJAN!!" 20:58:27 > let kill whoeverItIs = "KILL " ++ map toUpper whoeverItIs ++ ", FOR I HAVE AN INSATIABLE BLOODLUST FOR HIS FLESH!!!!!!" in kill "oerjan" 20:58:28 "KILL OERJAN, FOR I HAVE AN INSATIABLE BLOODLUST FOR HIS FLESH!!!!!!" 20:58:34 True fax machine. 20:58:37 ehird: Needs more pointless. 20:58:45 pikhq: Your mom's pointless, but okay: 20:59:03 > let kill = ("KILL " ++) . map toUpper in kill "test" 20:59:04 "KILL TEST" 20:59:23 > let kill = ("KILL " ++) . (++ ", FOR I HAVE AN INSATIABLE BLOODLUST FOR HIS FLESH!!") . map toUpper in kill "test" 20:59:24 Satisfactory. 20:59:25 "KILL TEST, FOR I HAVE AN INSATIABLE BLOODLUST FOR HIS FLESH!!" 20:59:41 > let kill = ("KILL " ++) . (++ ", FOR I HAVE AN INSATIABLE BLOODLUST FOR HIS FLESH!!!!!!") . map toUpper in kill "oerjan" 20:59:42 "KILL OERJAN, FOR I HAVE AN INSATIABLE BLOODLUST FOR HIS FLESH!!!!!!" 21:01:26 @let kill = ("KILL " ++) . (++ ", FOR I HAVE AN INSATIABLE BLOODLUST FOR HIS FLESH!!!!!!") . map toUpper 21:01:27 Defined. 21:02:08 > flip (intercalate . map toUpper) ["KILL ", ", FOR I HAVE AN INSATIABLE BLOODLUST FOR ", "'S FLESH!!"] "pikhq" 21:02:09 "KILL PIKHQ, FOR I HAVE AN INSATIABLE BLOODLUST FOR PIKHQ'S FLESH!!" 21:02:52 Not bad. 21:03:43 it just doesn't get more pointless than this. 21:03:58 oerjan: mine's nicer. 21:04:33 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 21:04:33 oerjan: Make it all lambda. 21:04:47 @unpl flip (intercalate . map toUpper) ["KILL ", ", FOR I HAVE AN INSATIABLE BLOODLUST FOR ", "'S FLESH!!"] "pikhq" 21:04:47 (intercalate (map toUpper "pikhq") ["KILL ", ", FOR I HAVE AN INSATIABLE BLOODLUST FOR ", "'S FLESH!!"]) 21:04:54 How boring! 21:05:31 @unpl (KILL " ++) . (++ ", FOR I HAVE AN INSATIABLE BLOODLUST FOR HIS FLESH!!!!!") . map toUpper 21:05:32 Unbalanced parentheses 21:05:41 @unpl ("KILL " ++) . (++ ", FOR I HAVE AN INSATIABLE BLOODLUST FOR HIS FLESH!!!!!") . map toUpper 21:05:41 (\ e -> "KILL " ++ ((map toUpper e) ++ ", FOR I HAVE AN INSATIABLE BLOODLUST FOR HIS FLESH!!!!!")) 21:05:52 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has left (?). 21:06:00 That's pretty boring too. 21:06:14 it seems to ignore operator precedence 21:21:56 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:25:26 pikhq: about project athena: 21:25:31 pikhq: your recent grumbling at Xorg? 21:25:36 Athena caused the invention of X11. 21:25:42 Or, rather, X in general. 21:25:44 Yes, I'm aware. 21:25:49 :D 21:25:58 X11 is an 80s solution. 21:25:59 Bloody hell, and Xaw. 21:26:06 I hope they don't still use Xaw :-) 21:26:07 Xaw likewise. 21:26:27 XDM uses it still. 21:26:40 As do a few core X utils. 21:26:49 [[Linux-Athena was introduced in version 9, with the Red Hat Enterprise Linux operating system running on cheaper x86 or x86-64 hardware. Athena 9 also replaced the internally-developed "DASH" menu system and Motif Window Manager (mwm) with a more modern GNOME desktop.]] 21:26:53 Well, that's quite sane. 21:26:59 Changing to Ubuntu even saner. 21:26:59 Most of that, of course, is provided just because it always has been. 21:27:12 pikhq: Hey, I've used xdm and xman. 21:27:16 I opened xedit once, too. 21:27:25 ehird: Yes. 21:27:49 pikhq: I find the best way to approach X is to install quite an old, minimalist window manager, lose your aesthetic sense and tell yourself 80s marketing speak about it. 21:27:58 Project Athena also brought us LDAP and Kerberos... 21:28:00 It's quite awesome (in the old sense) before you use a more modern system. 21:28:14 pikhq: And thin clients. 21:28:18 Well, vt100. 21:28:19 * oerjan vaguely recalls actually using xedit for some things, way back 21:28:21 I first used IceWM when I started on X, IIRC. 21:28:21 But that Doesn't Count. 21:28:37 IceWM would be better if you didn't have to click on menus to expand them 21:28:44 It would. 21:28:59 a port of icewm to gtk would be very appealing imo 21:29:12 GTK2, you mean. 21:29:12 I think I installed some sort of fvwm first. Maybe. 21:29:27 pikhq: I have blotted gtk1 from my mind. 21:29:35 Appropriate. 21:32:32 But apparently downloading it is. <-- why? 21:44:24 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 21:50:15 AnMaster: 100k tarballs. 21:50:23 When you have a 2 second latency. 22:47:21 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:11:55 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 23:29:35 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 23:34:38 -!- jix has quit ("leaving"). 23:36:31 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 23:52:40 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 23:52:40 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 23:56:24 xor xor xor xor xor xor xor xor xor xor xor xor xor xor xor 23:57:23 :t xor xor 23:57:24 forall a. (Bits a, Bits (a -> a -> a)) => (a -> a -> a) -> a -> a -> a 23:57:54 :t xor xor xor 23:57:55 forall a. (Bits a, Bits (a -> a -> a)) => a -> a -> a 23:58:03 :t xor xor xor xor 23:58:04 forall a. (Bits (a -> a -> a), Bits a, Bits ((a -> a -> a) -> (a -> a -> a) -> a -> a -> a)) => (a -> a -> a) -> a -> a -> a 23:58:11 :t xor xor xor xor xor 23:58:12 forall a. (Bits (a -> a -> a), Bits a, Bits ((a -> a -> a) -> (a -> a -> a) -> a -> a -> a)) => a -> a -> a 23:58:19 :t xor xor xor xor xor xor 23:58:20 forall a. (Bits ((a -> a -> a) -> (a -> a -> a) -> a -> a -> a), Bits (a -> a -> a), Bits a, Bits (((a -> a -> a) -> (a -> a -> a) -> a -> a -> a) -> ((a -> a -> a) -> (a -> a -> a) -> a -> a -> a) - 23:58:20 > (a -> a -> a) -> (a -> a -> a) -> a -> a -> a)) => (a -> a -> a) -> a -> a -> a 23:58:50 this does not seem likely to converge 23:59:17 oerjan: are you ever seriously going to have an instance of Bits a => Bits (a -> a -> a)? 23:59:24 i can't even think of a way that could possibly work.