< 1247529601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about one googol then < 1247529601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2**256 < 1247529602 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.157920892373162e77 < 1247529609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^100 vs 2^256 < 1247529634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess 2^256 is larger. Possibly < 1247529645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.157920892373162e77 < 1e100, pretty clearly < 1247529651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1247529653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1247529666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was wrong then < 1247529677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how many bits do you need for 1e100 < 1247529679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not that far, 2^512 is larger < 1247529687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 1e100 < 1247529688 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 332.19280948873626 < 1247529690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :333 < 1247529695 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half a beast < 1247529711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nijoruj.org/~as/2009/04/20/A-little-fun.html // wow, you can translate Haskell → SML < 1247529717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does log work for that I wonder. I remember even using that when coding < 1247529718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiomatically < 1247529725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's the definition of log... < 1247529738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal log is just "how many digits do we need in base e" < 1247529739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a^(logBase a b) = b when a,b > 0 < 1247529739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pine or teak? < 1247529749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm < 1247529750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to rounding < 1247529831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you *manually* calculate log? < 1247529858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: although to be fair, defining a^b for non-integer b might just as well be done by going via logarithms < 1247529881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION o O ( what is up with Swedish mathematics education? ) < 1247529884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that sounds familiar. < 1247529884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corection < 1247529886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it fails < 1247529886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( what is up with Swedish mathematics education? ) < 1247529888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*correction < 1247529905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a^b = exp(b*log a) < 1247529906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you know roughly the same mathematics as i did when i was ~9 :S < 1247529914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using natural log and exp < 1247529922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wasn't there some study some time ago saying we were worst in EU at math education < 1247529923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1247529928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1247529930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but any other > 0 base works too < 1247529938 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And you're still better than the US. < 1247529944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, really? < 1247529961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'log' comes up alongside pre-calculus. < 1247529970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't the US start calculus at university level? < 1247529978 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes. < 1247529982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how to use log. I just don't understand why it works always. < 1247529984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shakes head < 1247530002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smarter students take it in high school. < 1247530004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their senior year. < 1247530012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is the issue, if I don't understand "why" I tend to not learn very well. < 1247530020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am one of a small handful of American students to have done it *before* then. < 1247530027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually didn't know any calculus until recently, but getting what "what" took me about 5 minutes < 1247530029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's a taylor series for natural log, is one way (but it converges only in a small interval iirc) < 1247530037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rather trivial if you know what a function is... < 1247530045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: And you're 14. < 1247530049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 13. < 1247530061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think computers use more clever methods < 1247530078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know some calculus. I can do integration and such. < 1247530089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That puts you in the 99.99999999th percentile in the US. < 1247530109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can do it _less_ cleverly too, in a way that's easy to do for integer base logs < 1247530114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I'm useless at mental arithmetic. And I mean useless. < 1247530125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ask me to multiply two non-trivial numbers, I'll sit gawping for hours. < 1247530131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have no ida why. < 1247530133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idea < 1247530141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always confused me. < 1247530151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US students are increasingly useless at pen-and-paper arithmetic. < 1247530152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, isn't a taylor series a polynomial approximation or something iirc? < 1247530161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't read that in school... < 1247530164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The prevailing philosophy is that a calculator suffices. < 1247530169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a limit of polynomial approximations < 1247530179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I guess Idiocracy wasn't fiction. < 1247530191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm ok < 1247530196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, we're not quite that bad yet. < 1247530206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it's trivial extrapolation. < 1247530206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't set in the present day. < 1247530207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Incidentally, I'm useless at mental arithmetic. And I mean useless. <-- same here < 1247530213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee, you get it by integrating the series for 1/(1+x) = 1 - x + x^2 - x^3 + ... iirc < 1247530214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I can do it on paper though < 1247530218 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1247530232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though division on paper is a pain < 1247530245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving log (1+x) = x - x^2/2 + x^3/3 - x^4/4 + ... < 1247530255 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247530262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this ambient mix is wonderful. < 1247530273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for -1 < x < 1, i think < 1247530285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, mhm < 1247530288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's not the most useful range :-D < 1247530292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but converges slower near the edges < 1247530317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you can always rescale... < 1247530322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah < 1247530343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: also, that gives you logs from (0, 2) < 1247530346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, < 1247530358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A VERY SCARY THING BUT NOT FOR THE REASON YOU THINK: < 1247530363 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just do log (1/x) = - log x for the rest < 1247530364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The average IQ just dropped!" < 1247530378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in what collection of people? < 1247530390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoosh < 1247530406 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: since average IQ is recalibrated to 100 regularly afaik... < 1247530407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean, in here, or worldwide? < 1247530412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Context is needed to tell whether or not that is dumbtarded. < 1247530412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THAT'S THE JOKE < 1247530413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1247530419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The average IQ is defined as 100. < 1247530424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh interesting < 1247530426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, I've heard it before; but I made this one up for A JOKE. < 1247530427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know that < 1247530429 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the full human population. < 1247530456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes comparing absolute IQ over time harder < 1247530479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IQ is entirely based on average=100. < 1247530497 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :average=100, and the other scores are a bell curve. < 1247530502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/are/are on/ < 1247530513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "am I smarter than Einstein was" (assuming his IQ is known), that is hard if it has since been recalibrated. < 1247530528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IQ is a relative score, AnMaster. < 1247530549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes. but what is the absolute measure if you need that? < 1247530561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm… let me get this straight < 1247530563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does one exist? < 1247530568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want an absolute measure of IQ for times 0→infinity < 1247530572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now? < 1247530586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1247530587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you would like to ignore that this isn't even a meaningful score? < 1247530595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ... I just wonder how you compare intelligence over time < 1247530607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, present day and 100 years in the future < 1247530615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rescaling? < 1247530618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comparing two geniuses. < 1247530626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius is relative < 1247530627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right, but where can one find the needed info for that < 1247530630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, IQ != genius < 1247530639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IQ is just pattern matching ability. < 1247530657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: depends on how it's most recently been recalibrated. < 1247530659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, two people having high IQ in two different periods of time. < 1247530675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing which of them had highest IQ < 1247530695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that IQ has only a loose association with intelligence. < 1247530703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incredibly loose. < 1247530706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm aware of that < 1247530709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice if people stopped using it. < 1247530711 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loose like your MOM < 1247530716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhh snap < 1247530726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, fix superscripts in `wolfram please? < 1247530728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1247530729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we can say that someone with an IQ of 150 is likely more intelligent than someone with an IQ of 60. ... Yeah, that's about as much information as you get.) < 1247530736 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Can't. < 1247530739 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's pdftotext < 1247530744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, meh. < 1247530849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... who was it that wrote "The IQ of the mob is equal to the IQ of the member of the mob with the lowest IQ divided by the number of members in the mob"? < 1247530857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember < 1247530862 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1247530891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, Terry Pratchett. < 1247531038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect < 1247531064 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone obviously has compared IQ tests over time < 1247531092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247531129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The revised versions are standardized on new samples and scored with respect to those samples alone, so the only way to compare the difficulty of two versions of a test is to conduct a separate study in which the same subjects take both versions.[2] Doing so confirms IQ gains over time." < 1247531130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1247531295 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Enforced consistent convention: Two pieces of code that are syntax-identical must be character-identical also, and this must be enforced, not simply convention." < 1247531309 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1247531318 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that even possible? Does that even make sense? < 1247531324 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I'm sure it's possible < 1247531334 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seems to me that it would lead to insanity < 1247531342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Brainfuck minus comments? < 1247531347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, whereis that quote from? < 1247531348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[.,] is the only way to represent that AST. < 1247531351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what AnMaster said. < 1247531352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is* < 1247531354 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.warrenfalk.com/blog/programming-language-reinvention/ < 1247531370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, what AnMaster said. <-- first time you said that iirc < 1247531387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wow, this language sucks < 1247531414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No ability to customize compiler operation < 1247531414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no way to customize the compilation process with your own code. I would like it if a compiler (and probably IDE also) would recognize certain attributes as being custom implementations of compiler functions or precompilers. In fact things like field-wrapping could actually be accomplished this way. < 1247531417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1247531444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that link seems to be major wtf < 1247531444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i assume it means only spacing and indentation stuff, not actual variable/function naming... < 1247531460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: this is why you don't let "practical" programmers design things. < 1247531472 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I quoted is the only wtf I see < 1247531476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hah. < 1247531481 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then again, I'm no language designer < 1247531481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: your mind has melted away. < 1247531487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all suck, suck and more suck < 1247531514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they call 'em code monkeys because they monkey up code < 1247531528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"readers are plentiful, thinkers are rare" ← and you're not one of them < 1247531606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Besides just being a syntactic shortcut, a with construct is also an optimization as it doesn’t require loading the same reference on the stack for every member call." < 1247531607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1247531608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1247531617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he's thinking extremely low-level < 1247531619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.x(y); < 1247531623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.z(foo); < 1247531624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1247531626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's rephrase < 1247531628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.bar(x); < 1247531633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.baz(y); < 1247531641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, he is talking about C#. You can't do that sort of stuff that would mess up that optimisation in C# < 1247531641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: here, he thinks we have to load the 'foo' reference on the stack twice < 1247531642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as oppose dto < 1247531644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I remember < 1247531644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with (foo) { < 1247531645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar(x); < 1247531647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baz(y); < 1247531648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1247531652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: these people hate sufficiently smart compilers < 1247531658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization is brittle, they sez. < 1247531672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we must tell the compiler what we mean" is stupid, they sez. we must instead tell it exactly how to do it, they sex. < 1247531673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1247531675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :se. < 1247531677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sez. < 1247531684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this would be true for C *if and only if* the variable was volatile. Even a C compiler would otherwise optimise it. < 1247531697 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, answering this guy's questions about nomic is not a good idea? < 1247531702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: BUT WE CAN'T RELY ON THAAAAAAAAAT < 1247531708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Waste your time if you want < 1247531713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right. You can use -O0 if you want < 1247531717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1247531834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I propose that the anonymous delegate ability be kept, and that you also be able to simply pass a function name as a parameter where a delegate is required and the compiler will take care of emitting the “new” construct." <-- that is actually semi-sane. He is suggesting functional programming there. < 1247531842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly at least < 1247531882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1247531885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a totally insane form < 1247531890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, agreed. < 1247531957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cannot return a reference to a field declaration [...] The reason the above can’t be done is because you cannot return the structure as a reference. I see no reason to be unable to do this however, except that returning references to variables would break if you tried to pass back a reference to a local variable, or some other variable in unmanaged storage. But this could be done if the compiler < 1247531957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply forbade the illegal usage." <-- err. To begin with: structs in .NET/mono are immutable and copy-on-write as far as I remember. < 1247531973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you can't much around with references to them < 1247532066 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I comment on a blog entry, will this guy be emailed? < 1247532079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok one good point: "Unable to specify different implementations in generics based on whether the type is a reference type vs. a value type." <-- it seems to me, that this shouldn't matter for a programmer. < 1247532109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language should provide the same inference, I as a user of the language shouldn't need to care < 1247532118 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1247532219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My proposition is to cordon off a set of characters that can be used in operators (e.g. & | + – * . ~ $ % ^ / ? = > < !) and set up the lexer to recognize any group of these characters as an operator." <-- I hate operator overloading already < 1247532257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allowing users to invent new ones won't help < 1247532277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Operator overloading is only bad if you abuse it stupdily and make things overloadable operators that aren't. < 1247532283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Haskell has "invented" operators. < 1247532293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moreover, your commentary is not particularly interesting. < 1247532302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there will always be someone who abuse it < 1247532314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Your thinking leads to Java. < 1247532330 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ehird < 1247532333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please remove the toxic waste from your brain or cease such poisonous thinking activities at your nearest convenience. < 1247532334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there will always be someone to abuse the programmer as well < 1247532336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is java < 1247532352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I agree with you here ehird. Partly < 1247532353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you require assistance with the latter, please see your local government-sponsored euthanasia booth. < 1247532359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Haskell does it RIGHT. < 1247532364 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many applets are written in Jython? < 1247532366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm ok < 1247532367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't make "foo" + "globbin" mean 42. < 1247532369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (+) < 1247532371 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a -> a -> a < 1247532380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can define a new (+) for a new type that takes two of that type and gives a new one. < 1247532381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But. < 1247532387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also have to make a full Num instance. < 1247532392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means implementing every base numeric method. < 1247532396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note: This may seem strange at first for delegates which have such a concise definition, but there’s no great loss in making every delegate its own tiny file. Any clumsiness this may seem to cause should be overcome in the IDE." <-- blink. Blink. < 1247532398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're expected to follow the laws. < 1247532405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So (+) is addition, not just a meaningless operator. < 1247532408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's also overloadable. < 1247532418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: haven't seen any in the wild < 1247532427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah, that's the mindset of C#/Javaheads < 1247532460 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....now that, I see the stupidity in quite clearly < 1247532471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it is good for one thing < 1247532477 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forcing an IDE on the programmer to maintain the programmer's sanity? WTF? < 1247532478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it allows compiler to find stuff easily < 1247532483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without any sort of #include < 1247532485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1247532489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's exactly what java coders do < 1247532494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying this is GOOD < 1247532508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying that is a possible way to explain it away < 1247532521 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247532531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With curly braces and semicolons, it is possible to construct a C# program on one single line. This would appear to be the most worthless feature of the language. Its pros are nil and its cons are: 1) it allows every programmer to invent his own convention for formatting which, as it turns out, is more unique than a fingerprint, and 2) it simply requires extra typing (and with curly braces, require < 1247532531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s the combination of fairly obscure keys and a shift modifier)." < 1247532532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1247532537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess DM.. < 1247532538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is about to invent python too < 1247532557 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He mentions Python in the page < 1247532565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247532570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed that < 1247532579 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1247532581 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how much of a WTF this channel would find DM to be < 1247532590 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, formatting needs to be liquid. There is no good "one size fits all" formatting style < 1247532599 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.warrenfalk.com/blog/programming-language-reinvention/ (not DM) < 1247532604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DM? < 1247532617 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DM = Dream Maker, the language used by BYOND games < 1247532622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1247532669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wait, WTF? < 1247532671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lummox JR? < 1247532674 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.byond.com/docs/guide/ and http://www.byond.com/docs/ref/ < 1247532694 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thought DM was DangerMouse < 1247532698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he disappeared. < 1247532712 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, JRChat being dead doesn't mean he disappeared < 1247532717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard he disappeared. < 1247532722 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1247532723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off the interwebs. < 1247532725 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where from? < 1247532736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? jrchat? < 1247532752 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JRChat == Creatures fan chat < 1247532756 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's now dead < 1247532764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* coppro thought DM was DangerMouse <-- that is DMM iirc? < 1247532774 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/JRChat < 1247532787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lummox JR was some Creatures community douchebag :-P < 1247532802 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: given that dangermouse.net is "DM's Home Page", I'd say no < 1247532802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who thought that desktop linux users were just doing it to be different because obviously windows is so much better. < 1247532806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Least that's what Dylan tells me. < 1247532812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, ok < 1247532848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DM = DMM = David Morgan-Mar though < 1247532862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen him use DMM too < 1247532866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure < 1247532887 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we get to the WTFs about BYOND, and not the WTFs about LJR? < 1247532942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares < 1247532966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, a bit like python when it comes to indention? Seems rather well structured? < 1247532980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much to wtf about < 1247533021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it looks fine < 1247533046 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know why he assumed it would be WTFy < 1247533055 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used it, but a very long time ago < 1247533061 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247533063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it supports braces too it seems < 1247533071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.byond.com/docs/guide/chap02.html < 1247533089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C and C++ style comments < 1247533092 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only real wtf there is that he proposes getting rid of the ternary operator "only if a way to avoid the code duplication of not using it can be developed" < 1247533113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, there are lots of other ones < 1247533118 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the big one < 1247533123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Note: This may seem strange at first for delegates which have such a concise definition, but there’s no great loss in making every delegate its own tiny file. Any clumsiness this may seem to cause should be overcome in the IDE." <-- blink. Blink. < 1247533124 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use inline if < 1247533129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I think that is the big one < 1247533130 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a then b else c < 1247533138 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that one too < 1247533141 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't see that < 1247533142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: < 1247533143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enforced consistent convention: Two pieces of code that are syntax-identical must be character-identical also, and this must be enforced, not simply convention. < 1247533146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to think about that < 1247533149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one AST ←→ one string < 1247533154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a huge WTF < 1247533158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy clearly knows nothing about languages < 1247533175 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, exactly the same? < 1247533178 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuk < 1247533183 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread that < 1247533245 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, found another one < 1247533246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, in a .NET/C# context references to struct members is also very wtf < 1247533258 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about that enough to comment < 1247533260 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1247533264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, this is harder to spot, but I used to code in .NET/mono a long time agop < 1247533266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ago* < 1247533267 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"# Note: For case-mangling operating systems, such as Windows 95/98/Me, this simply won’t work, but I’m favoring sacrificing compilability on these platforms." < 1247533272 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's targeting .NET < 1247533295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, the issue is structs are copy-on-write, so references to them would change existing ones. Which would be madness < 1247533298 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: hey, the stamp-licking was only to get your attention so that you would notice my suggestion. < 1247533311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION licks Warrigal's stamps, < 1247533315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\,$// < 1247533320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that implies < 1247533324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I imply it. < 1247533343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why are you escaping the , < 1247533351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1247533372 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants a language with first-class types < 1247533377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, use /msg instead < 1247533385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, been done iirc < 1247533390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember the name of it < 1247533392 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's been done < 1247533397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: dependent types, yeah < 1247533399 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it! < 1247533401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's way more than one language < 1247533403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: grab Agda < 1247533407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1247533409 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1247533412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's haskell + dependent types + other stuff + a bit of suck < 1247533416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you have to use emacs < 1247533420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and syntax highlighting happens in batch < 1247533422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's kinda fun < 1247533424 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stops looking < 1247533429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "have to use"? < 1247533429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1247533432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good language < 1247533440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "not using is highly painful and involves huge command lines" < 1247533444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1247533445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its development style is highly integrated < 1247533450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and involves a lot of not-quite-code < 1247533471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" and syntax highlighting happens in batch <-- I have seen that before. A bit irritating but nothing you can't live with < 1247533489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i mean, you have to press a key to highlight syntax, and the code has to be valid < 1247533499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can use holes, though, to represent uncompleted code) < 1247533508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'm not sure holes are part of the language vs the emacs mode) < 1247533516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's essentially an emacs mode, really) < 1247533525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh like the old apple script editor < 1247533529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before OS X or so < 1247533545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably no longer in OS X < 1247533557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope still like that < 1247533571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah... why didn't they replace it with xcode or something < 1247533586 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But /msg scares me. < 1247533594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, why < 1247533601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are doing an implicit one right now < 1247533601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's for simple stuff < 1247533603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xcode is a full IDE < 1247533604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same message < 1247533622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: i'd demand you logically justify that like you do me but i'm not enough of a dick. < 1247533633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, either 1) PRIVMSG #esoteric :But /msg scares me. 2) PRIVMSG GregorR :But /msg scares me. < 1247533644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what your client would send < 1247533663 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suffered a near-fatal glutamic acid overdose when I was a child and still--I mean, it seems excessive; it tends to annoy me when people send me /msgs. < 1247533674 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when you told me to use /msg, you were telling me to send a PRIVMSG, which is what I did? < 1247533682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1247533689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, send a private one directed at Gracenotes < 1247533690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1247533692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, ^ < 1247533694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was what I meant < 1247533708 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Directed private messages scare me, is what I meant. < 1247533717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: It annoys me when people use public channels as private messages. < 1247533723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because nobody. else. cares. < 1247533732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, better than being scared by directed acyclic graphs < 1247533758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, anyway *why* < 1247533776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to see what "glutamic acid" has to do with /msg < 1247533785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whooooooooooooooooooosh < 1247533790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was Warrigal's way of dodging your question with a joke. < 1247533793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the "--" < 1247533793 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSG is a salt of glutamic acid. < 1247533811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what would the -- mean? "no more flags, only plain arguments"? < 1247533813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ironically, Warrigal has been annoyed at me for not answering eir questions post-jokes. < 1247533822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e also appears to be ignoring me. < 1247533822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, it is? ok, didn't know < 1247533842 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me: I love Triangle and Robert! < 1247533859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1247533865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, are you ignoring ehird? < 1247533870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering < 1247533883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't blame you if you do < 1247533891 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I am. < 1247533908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1247533922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes a note not to relay any messages by mistake < 1247533995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, anyway, care to give a serious reason for wanting to avoid private directed /msg? < 1247534006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should I just not bother < 1247534045 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what I see is people talking to each other over channels, not /msg. < 1247534061 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it annoys me when people /msg me with no particular purpose in mind. < 1247534072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1247534083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree about that < 1247534089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I assumed you *did* have a purpose < 1247534095 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, I did. < 1247534118 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consciously, I recognize the difference between "I think you should change HackEgo's behavior to this" and "hi". < 1247534131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1247534152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, even worse is the "who are you?" one < 1247534260 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic Instructions is back up < 1247534267 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I could almost certainly answer that question better if I knew your purpose in asking it. If you're just curious, then know me as an amateur mathematician." < 1247534354 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "an amateur mathematician, linguist, and economist--as, being an amateur, I am not restricted to one field." < 1247534363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, heh < 1247534379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, I tend to never answer random messages < 1247534410 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm an amateur messiah." < 1247534466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247535035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1247536161 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-111.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247537078 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247537415 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247537696 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1247538197 0 :oklodok!n=nnscript@h001018.gprs.dnafinland.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247538239 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-162-184-81.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247538276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L1 - The files are on your desk. < 1247538276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L2 - The files are in your filing cabinet. < 1247538278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAM - The files are in a cabinet 10 floors below you. Take the stairs. < 1247538280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HD - The files are on the other side of the continent. Take the wheelbarrow. < 1247538307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So it's more like, an SSD is getting the ingredients overnighted, and the hard drive is having to breed the perfect strain of lettuce, tomatos and onions over the course of six years." < 1247538378 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting random numbers probably shouldn't involve getting files from the other side of the continent when you can make what you need right there < 1247538393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Internet for me is like sending a bunch of human babies to some random (life-sustaining) planet and waiting for them to invent the sandwich. < 1247538393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247538405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you could make that into a porno < 1247538405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1247538407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what possessed me < 1247538409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to think that? < 1247538412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't even MAKE SENSE. < 1247538415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did I type that? < 1247538416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be late. < 1247538458 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1247538462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, you _could_ make that into a porno. you might not want to, but that's a different issue. < 1247538463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morn oklodok < 1247538467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're sort of a dok. < 1247538469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that? < 1247538497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1247538514 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what i need to know. < 1247538519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: quick, integrate the integration of sin(x)/glorble(x)^glio(2x) < 1247538523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DO YOU GET < 1247538526 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched american pie - the wedding tonight < 1247538527 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i kinda liked it. < 1247538543 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like calculus. < 1247538543 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unmath < 1247538552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1247538556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is calculus unmath < 1247538557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very math. < 1247538565 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all expressions involving the glio function integrate into the glio function. < 1247538577 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, calculus is very unny math. < 1247538582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1247538583 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like it < 1247538612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how is it unny math. < 1247538648 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's because it's about numbers < 1247538653 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and definitely because it's about real numbers < 1247538710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but limits man. < 1247538751 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i do like the beginning of calculus, just not what it becomes. < 1247538761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mine is very beginning! < 1247538771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO ANSWER MY QUESTION also supply definitions of glorble(x) and glio(x) < 1247538794 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :limits, epsilons, AoC = good; integration, derivation = un. < 1247538815 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glio is actually a special form. < 1247538839 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "mine is very beginning" do you mean you're starting to learn calculus? < 1247538848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1247538851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just quizzing you < 1247538855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make sure you're still oklodok. < 1247538863 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, you should learn something worth learning, like, you know, knot theory. < 1247538915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: not theory? < 1247538928 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes theory! < 1247538937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: is yes theory theory of boolean yes/// < 1247539003 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes; unfortunately it's isomorphic with the empty theory. < 1247539046 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1247539051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll. < 1247539075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo poll < 1247539080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is glio(x) a manifold < 1247539083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247539083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1247539086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glio(x)/2 < 1247539088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VOTE NOW < 1247539097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don' know much about manifolds. < 1247539105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gliofold < 1247539118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they have something to do with the sevenfold glio < 1247539120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manifold == california-bar you < 1247539123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calibau yau < 1247539125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically < 1247539126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can glio the x < 1247539128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and divide it by x < 1247539134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get the arctangent of the monomorphism. < 1247539143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that forms an N-space lie algebra when you integrate it. < 1247539160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the limit of that(x) as x goes to -0.1iPi is the original x < 1247539222 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sometimes feels slow when he watches the conversation in here < 1247539227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a glio knows it's in danger, it flaps its wings. < 1247539253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'm actually bullshitting. < 1247539259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always feel slow < 1247539262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but GO LEARN YOURSELF A MATHEMATICS, Sgeo. < 1247539300 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels like I knew much more than my peers in 7th grade, but stopped learning since then < 1247539310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO STUDY A CALCULUS IN THE FLOOR////// < 1247539324 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew calculus to some extent in 7th grade < 1247539334 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new stuff we learned in Calculus BC didn't really stick that well < 1247539337 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: people become dumber with age < 1247539338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(new stuff to me) < 1247539347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: not before early 20s < 1247539350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Sgeo is early 20s. < 1247539354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the calculus you learned is not something to brag about < 1247539356 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's possible that you simply developed mentally faster than others, so stopped developing before others have < 1247539361 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was unmath < 1247539385 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't become dumber with age < 1247539385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: that's bullshit < 1247539395 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that's* bullshit. < 1247539400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, no it's not < 1247539402 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it be? < 1247539402 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: prove it < 1247539413 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens physically, why not mentally? < 1247539413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lament's claiming that before you turn twenty, you magically stop learning things and then become a dumbfuck in 3 years < 1247539421 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what? no i don't < 1247539428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: i have an invisible pink unicorn right next to me. < 1247539430 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said any of those things < 1247539430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disprove it. < 1247539437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: i was generalizing < 1247539441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo is what, 20? < 1247539442 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you weren't generalizing < 1247539445 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: can't be both invisible and pink < 1247539448 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were just talking out of your ass < 1247539450 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disproven < 1247539455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1247539498 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be pink when visible, but temporarily invsibile. Incidentally, the contraction in the very name is why I switched to the FSM < 1247539505 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*contradiction < 1247539529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you look for reasonability in your parody diety? < 1247539533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I think you have missed the point entirely. < 1247539535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*deity < 1247539547 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you're really really bad at arguing < 1247539560 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, you derailed your own argument < 1247539563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: actually i just don't bother with you :) < 1247539579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: people become dumber with age <-- there was actually something against that theory on the Flynn effect wp page i linked earlier < 1247539581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does it mean you "become dumber with age"? i might have a different definition. < 1247539635 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is no contradiction in "God". Maybe in the concept of God, but the name "God" itself has no contradiction. Why should a parody deity have a contradiction in its very name? < 1247539650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do believe most people stop learning after their schooling. also i guess certain forms of wit do get slower. < 1247539651 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you perform poorer at tasks requiring ability to learn, concentration, ability to find and recognize patterns, etc < 1247539652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the whole point of the parody deities is to make light of the ridiculousness of god < 1247539660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so looking for reasonability in one is silly < 1247539691 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has a flaw that regular religion doesn't -- a contradiction in the name < 1247539696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: basically, it said that some earlier research that showed older people were more stupid was flawed because it was actually because of the Flynn Effect that people _born later_ were smarter :) < 1247539718 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha < 1247539738 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just imagine those imbeciles a thousand years ago or so < 1247539740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no denying that our brain decays, though < 1247539760 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't want his brain to decay :( < 1247539773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yeah it recommended not extrapolating too far, it said Aristotle would have had an IQ of -1000 nowadays or so < 1247539777 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: don't worry, the rest of your body will decay at a similar rate < 1247539785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: get your entire set of neurons scanned within a few years time < 1247539787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: that's not comforting. < 1247539790 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: in my experience older people are better than young people in learning and concentration; maybe their brains are stupider, but they are more consistent. < 1247539793 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it extrapolated that far) < 1247539800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: then, pick a theory of consciousness that works with reviving it and forget about it. < 1247539805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i don't actually know, i just refuse to believe something that depressing. < 1247539825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1247539826 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consistent? < 1247539829 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't want to believe that death is the final end either.. < 1247539836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean they don't get bored as easily, i guess. < 1247539840 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what I wish has no effect on reality < 1247539844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: exactly < 1247539845 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: definitely worse at learning, which is why people go to school and such when they're young < 1247539848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :young people never stick to anything < 1247539862 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: otherwise, if you wanted to become a scientist or something, you would go to college at 60 and produce your best results at 80 or something < 1247539863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're truly terrified about dying, either (a) work out your mental health problems or (b) work on life extension < 1247539954 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247539996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: i don't care about your ugly facts < 1247540016 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: it may not be common, but _some_ mathematicians started late, i've seen riemann mentioned < 1247540110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure people just stop learning, and lose the skill. < 1247540113 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :riemann died at 39 < 1247540123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, what? < 1247540123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly sure. < 1247540145 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: says WP < 1247540181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused < 1247540188 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go, bye < 1247540210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait maybe it was gauss < 1247540220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gauss was a child prodigy" < 1247540220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah no < 1247540223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1247540508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there was that story about him coming up with a nontrivial way to sum up 1..100 < 1247540525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i lolled at that when i was as old as he was when he came up with it < 1247540599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait how do you make summing 1..100 hard < 1247540620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if i was like 6 years old i could do that in a very manual way in like 5 minutes < 1247540623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most 12-yo or whatever retards do it in ascending order. < 1247540642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you specifically try and target that age at me? :D < 1247540668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no gauss was 10 or 12 or something, that's a story that's supposed to tell about his genius. < 1247540677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hokay < 1247540689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so this is the shitty kind of genius amirite < 1247540697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he came up with summing from both ends at once < 1247540709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he probably was a child prodigy. < 1247540719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying that's an annoying story < 1247540724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1247540745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's the only thing i know about gauss, so i told it. < 1247540756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess i do know stuff about his results < 1247540765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not about him < 1247540766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1247540780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he died in a duel at the age of 20 i think < 1247540797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's it < 1247540800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats oklopol -----### < 1247540810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that about < 1247540824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he got 78 years old :D < 1247540828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i grabbed this fly today < 1247540832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and carried it outside < 1247540836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let it fly away < 1247540844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was nice of me. < 1247540853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no i think he did not. < 1247540858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION _assumes_ oklopol confused him with galois < 1247540900 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm right, i just remember fields, G and a duel.. < 1247540902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, 77 years old < 1247540902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1247540950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah wtf @ galois dying < 1247540999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION regularly uses a glass and a piece of paper to evict insects with < 1247541019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and spiders < 1247541030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this household we just use paper < 1247541033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and patience. < 1247541041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was 21 < 1247541060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 20 < 1247541071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no 20 < 1247541072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247541077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? good < 1247541085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH IS LIKE 21 IN REAL PEOPLE YEARS? < 1247541086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then my memory is right, and the whatever page is wrong < 1247541092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia sez 20 < 1247541095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're DELUDEY < 1247541100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: need to consider date you know < 1247541107 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I think the story was that he found an easy way to add the numbers 1-100, which was given in class as a busywork assignment < 1247541125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm familiar with how age works < 1247541134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but that's... trivial... < 1247541137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :French mathematician who described the conditions for solving polynomial equations; was killed in a duel at the age of 21 < 1247541145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, < 1247541171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sum of 1..n is just 1/2 n (1+n) < 1247541180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although okay galois probably didn't know that < 1247541190 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivial for you and I.. well, for you at least. I'm not much of a problem-solver. Now that I know how it works, I understand it, but if I never heard of it, I probably wouldn't think of it < 1247541204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well tbh i figured out that pattern ages ago but forgot it now < 1247541206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just asked mathematica < 1247541229 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: anyone who's toyed with math would figure that out in an instant, without knowing the formula. < 1247541232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n (1+n)/2 is shorter though. < 1247541253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kinda obvious if you just think for a second < 1247541289 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that this channel just may have a warped definition of "obvious" < 1247541295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: and any 12-yo who's toyed with math would figure out the special case of 1..100 < 1247541313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \n -> n >= 0 ==> sum [1..n] == (n*(n+1))`div`2 < 1247541314 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `==>'Precedence parsing error < 1247541315 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix `GHC.Classes.>=... < 1247541318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well we're not dumb? :P < 1247541320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grflmf < 1247541320 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i have a very warped definition of everything < 1247541327 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my thing. < 1247541330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: < 1247541331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[1]:= Sum[i, {i, 1, n}] < 1247541332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[1]= 1/2 n (1 + n) < 1247541334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO NOT DOUBT THE MATHEMATICA < 1247541359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \n -> (n < 0) || (sum [1..n] == (n*(n+1)) `div` 2) < 1247541360 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "OK, passed 500 tests." < 1247541378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT SPRINGS DIRECTLY FROM THE DIVINE INTELLIGENCE OF WOLFRAM < 1247541436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's so obvious that oerjan had to ask \bot :D < 1247541448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1247541454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n (1 + n) can surely be simplified < 1247541476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm not that i can think of < 1247541480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, why not ask mathematica. < 1247541485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did < 1247541496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just ((n*(1+n))/2) is sort of, you know < 1247541497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly. < 1247541518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all notation is ugly < 1247541525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n^2+n isn't _that_ much of an improvement < 1247541532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays i'm more about pure ideas. < 1247541534 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without expression < 1247541539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *n < 1247541541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1247541543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1247541563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway i'm thinking something that only mentions n once < 1247541573 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1247541584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the < 1247541588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1247541591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we can exploit the 1/2 < 1247541591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorial thing < 1247541608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n+1) 2 < 1247541616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1247541624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1247541657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's essentially cheating, n over 2 is just the triangular numbers anyhow < 1247541675 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened after lambdabot said "Ok, passed 500 tests."? < 1247541677 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1247541699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i guess n (1+n) / 2 wins the summation contest for now < 1247541741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+y = n+1, x-y = n ==> x=n+1/2, y = 1/2 < 1247541771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n(n+1)/2 = (n+1/2)^2/2 - 1/8 < 1247541777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1247541778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really simple < 1247541810 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _does_ only have one n :) < 1247541865 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.org <- Nobody cares enough to cybersquat it" < 1247542239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should do something < 1247543919 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247545006 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1247545795 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247547488 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247547607 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247549821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1247551988 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247555046 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1247557832 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247557911 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247558399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1247558400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1247559209 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1247561123 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1247562192 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247562938 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-111.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247564700 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247564822 0 :Dewi!n=dewi@203-217-45-149.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1247565246 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-0-238.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247565631 0 :Dewio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) < 1247566433 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1247567411 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247567429 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-2-12.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247567530 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1247569438 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247571128 0 :sgeo!n=sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247573050 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247573196 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1247573326 0 :ogliopol!n=nnscript@i070062.gprs.dnafinland.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247573336 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaan what's my nick < 1247573339 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1247573344 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aaaaand < 1247573357 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there was some way to see your own nick in mirc < 1247573375 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklokok < 1247573734 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard a finnish woman mispronounce strange on the radio yesterday < 1247573794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, there is no way to see your own nick? How strange < 1247573817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering client has to know for stuff like setting umodes < 1247573823 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know one < 1247573848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: try (with no parameters): /nick < 1247573855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea if that will work < 1247573856 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* /nick: insufficient parameters (line 190, minirc.nns) < 1247573858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seems logical < 1247573862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247573868 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems logical, yes, i've tried it < 1247573898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue then < 1247573906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in xchat it is right beside the input bar < 1247573968 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm supposed to rely on "14:09… Your nick is now oklokok", which is stupid < 1247573985 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's just the server's msg < 1247574016 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:09:35 --> ogliopol is now known as oklokok < 1247574024 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just log in twice and the other will always see it < 1247574093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, what about the channel member list? < 1247574101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it not list yourself? < 1247574131 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does list me < 1247574142 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i can join #random09832943 and say hello this is test messages < 1247574156 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a nice interface < 1247574166 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i see; still kinda stupid < 1247574191 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda? :-P < 1247574206 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's somewhat stupid :) < 1247574233 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider not using mIRC < 1247574285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant- VERSION Deewiantbot version NaN <-- nice < 1247574289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is it really? < 1247574306 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i knew a better alternative, i'd use it; and yeah, i know irssi is supposed to be that < 1247574317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, tried xchat? < 1247574328 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it was horrible, don't remember why < 1247574336 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some horrible flaw < 1247574345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, maybe it improved since? < 1247574350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be worth trying < 1247574369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the silverex version. the other windows version costs money iirc < 1247574380 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah. < 1247574381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.silverex.org/news/ < 1247574385 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1247574390 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1247574395 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that was lucky < 1247574401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ? < 1247574411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been offline since like 5 am < 1247574420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247574424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now that i'm back, i died < 1247574426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow timeout < 1247574449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, if you used nickserv you could easily ghost it < 1247574453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247574461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1247574467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's too much work. < 1247574467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247574486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, not really. register, set up client to autoidentify to account. < 1247574492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be about all < 1247574506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please elaborate on the latter part, that is, give me the code < 1247574516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, for mirc? NFC. < 1247574542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for erc and xchat you just enter some "on connect line" < 1247574547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1247574560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it sends that line every time directly after connecting < 1247574580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be something like: ns identify oklopol mysecretpassword < 1247574580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirc has that for quakenet; i don't know how to do it for normal networks < 1247574589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247574591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right! < 1247574598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well still, i don't know where to put that < 1247574599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, sending that line to the server that is < 1247574600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1247574610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc you nowdays have to provide an email when registering < 1247574636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't use to need that < 1247574642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have registered, the O(1) operations usually aren't too much work < 1247574642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try /ns help register < 1247574656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247574699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, not sure if you have to give it / first in front of that "ns identify" < 1247574701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1247574710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on client < 1247574730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the on-connect line thingy you can't give the / to xchat at least. nor to erc iirc < 1247574775 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ns? Not /msg NickServ? < 1247574796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think those are equal in mirc < 1247575591 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought /ns -> /msg nickserv was a server-specific thing < 1247575662 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi doesn't accept /ns here < 1247575689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just gives it as server password in irssi anyhow < 1247575708 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it needs to be sent in a special way, just plain typing it doesn't work anyway < 1247575752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1247575755 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247575761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb < 1247575881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you discovered my flight technique < 1247576039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that your way of saying hay i'm hare < 1247576096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247576263 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247576420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S INNOCENT < 1247576440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:22:22 also i can join #random09832943 and say hello this is test messages < 1247576451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or //msg oklodo… wait < 1247576457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i actually thought that would work for a second. < 1247576468 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75.106.100.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247576518 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-0-24.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247576558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /ns? Not /msg NickServ? <-- server side alias as well as often client side < 1247576604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically using /ns or /nickserv is "more secure" on many ircds, since only a real ulined server can receive those messages. Not sure if this is true for hyperion. < 1247576632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, irssi doesn't accept unknown commands < 1247576636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try /raw or /quote < 1247576641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like /quote ns help < 1247576695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can do that after you found your nick, in order to confirm it < 1247576705 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I figured, I just couldn't bother to look up the raw-send command < 1247576711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um thanks for highlighting me AnMaster < 1247576713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really care. < 1247576725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does it bother you that I highlighted you? < 1247576728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, why < 1247576729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1247576734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you replied to my line directly < 1247576738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read it as part of the previous lines < 1247576745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I did reply to what you said < 1247576745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm tired and couldn't pick out that that interpretation was stupid < 1247576751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247576766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you need more sleep < 1247576832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what time i slept last night! < 1247576843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, later than I went to bed? < 1247576852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was pretty late < 1247576852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm massively < 1247576855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around 3:00 or so < 1247576874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i managed to get to sleep around 6 am local time. < 1247576880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a very dysfunctional relation with my body. < 1247576880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ATHR is under progress btw. Many parts work < 1247576888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEST: Will test C with a single thread. < 1247576888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: Using C on a value from the intital source of the program worked. < 1247576888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: Value actually exchanged according G. < 1247576888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: Failed C returned correct previous value. < 1247576888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: Failed C didn't changed value. < 1247576889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEST: Will test C with two threads. < 1247576894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we act happy in public though. < 1247576900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(writing code for that atm) < 1247577048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, current tests so far: http://pastebin.ca/1494613 < 1247577418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes he need to implement HRTI to be able to provide reasonable timing for the ATHR test cases < 1247577444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1247577648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1247577774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, question about HRTI < 1247577776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"M 'Mark' designates the timer as having been read by the IP with this ID at this instance in time. " < 1247577784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it specifically mention the IP ID? < 1247578013 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1247578017 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It clarifies something for TRDS. < 1247578034 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c8F99BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247578147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it does? Hm ok. < 1247578229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what happens in CCBI if more ips are created and destroyed than 2^32? < 1247578233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it wrap around? < 1247578253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hit previously used ones? < 1247578297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what if one of those still exist, say, the second. will more than one IP with the same id exist then? < 1247578300 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, in TRDS multiple IPs with the same ID can coexist, so that means the timers are per-ID and not per-IP. < 1247578310 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You'll run out of memory before that. < 1247578324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not if you keep killing ips somewhere in the middle < 1247578334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you end up reusing them right away? < 1247578344 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right < 1247578351 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, can't remember < 1247578368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe cfunge will possibly collide two ids < 1247578377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I will just say "use the 64 bit version" < 1247578381 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think CCBI just does a blind increment < 1247578386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as cfunge then < 1247578465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ATHR thread ids must never collide, it is up to the implementation to ensure this and make S reverse if there is no free one left. < 1247578525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily I won't run into that problem in efunge, what with it being bignum + blind increment < 1247578552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw, how do you feel about expressing timeouts in planck times? It would mean a 32 bit funge can't handle it. < 1247578590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird wanted that. < 1247578598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it could < 1247578602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just push multiple values on the stack < 1247578602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said < 1247578604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I think I'll go for expressing timeouts in picoseconds. < 1247578613 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or push a pointer to a bignum, or whatever. < 1247578619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do remind me guys < 1247578623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is befunge meant to be esoteric? < 1247578627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah, x/y/length, could work < 1247578628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite seeing it beyond a little core. < 1247578628 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just say it is an opaque object. < 1247578646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, except it is supposed to be user specifiable < 1247578649 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code that looks like line noise is esoteric. < 1247578658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reasonable timeout for waiting for signal < 1247578669 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone implemented a kleinefunge or a hexfunge? (different topologies) < 1247578671 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Make a converter from Funge-cell to number. < 1247578681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how do you mean? < 1247578686 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'd be best to just rely on a BIGN fingerprint... < 1247578693 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: Not to my knowledge. < 1247578694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, personally I would just rather go for "one cell containing" < 1247578741 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just read a normal Funge cell, then you limit yourself to the interpreter's word size < 1247578748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kleinfunge would just be torusfunge wouldn't it < 1247578751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the perspective of the program < 1247578759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, true. but so does HRTI already < 1247578761 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you also allow reading from a string etc, you might as well make a whole bignum fingerprint < 1247578782 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The problem will be somewhat bigger even with picoseconds let alone Planck times. < 1247578807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, will it be a problem with picoseconds already? < 1247578830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wolfram 1 second in picoseconds < 1247578837 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 second in picoseconds \ \ Input interpretation: \ \ convert 1 second to picoseconds \ Result: \ \ 1 1012 ps picoseconds \ Additional conversions: \ \ 1000 ms milliseconds \ Interpretation: \ \ time \ Corresponding quantities: \ \ Distance x traveled by light in a vacuum from x 186 282 miles 299 792 km kilometers \ < 1247578838 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.google.com/search?q=(2^31-1)+picoseconds+to+seconds < 1247578878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=(2^63-1)+picoseconds+to+seconds < 1247578880 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit can go up to 3 months, but 32-bit can't even do 3 milliseconds. < 1247578890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, right.... < 1247578903 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a bit harsh on 32-bit people. :-P < 1247578913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with nanoseconds you can do 2 seconds < 1247578922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Planck time. < 1247578923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 32-bit < 1247578954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time processing the value shouldn't take longer than the timeout! < 1247578971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it will likely using some pointer to string or similar < 1247578981 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :split it into two seconds and nanoseconds arguments? < 1247578993 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For picoseconds, popping the value from the stack will likely take more than one. < 1247578997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seconds and picoseconds you could do < 1247579011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, true. on current hardware < 1247579027 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See http://imgur.com/X1Hi1.gif) < 1247579031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, same for nanoseconds I guess. Again on current hardware < 1247579064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what about register files? < 1247579066 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's in L1 it might take less than one. < 1247579072 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nanosecond, that is. < 1247579440 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1247579475 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1247579583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, in the future it might be faster. Which was why I considered using picoseconds for the timeout < 1247579631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((2^31) - 1) * microseconds = 2 147.48365 seconds <-- ok HRTI has problems over a range of a few minutes < 1247579696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've been deciding this one stupid thing for days < 1247579706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you really so incompetent that it takes you a day to decide a timescale? < 1247579709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um, since yesterday evening < 1247579721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to miss the point entirely < 1247579746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I want to get it right from the beginning. And planck time is Not Right here :P < 1247579766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION moves AnMaster out of the way of society, to #bikeshedding-asylum < 1247579774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if onlu < 1247579775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway seconds, nanoseconds and picoseconds sounds good < 1247579775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only < 1247579779 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, get it right the first time, that way all the masses of befunge users don't have to put up with a quirky API... in an esolang ;) < 1247579792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: why do you think i suggested planck time? < 1247579796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, rather not put up with a CHANGING API < 1247579797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S NOT PRACTICAL! WAAAAAAH < 1247579810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OMG THEY MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LOGS WHEN SOMEONE TELLS THEM THE API CHANGED < 1247579818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAILING THAT SOMEONE MIGHT HAVE TO ACTUALLY SEND AN EMAIL TO MIKE RILEY < 1247579820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO UPDATE HIS 3 PROGRAMS! < 1247579826 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247579829 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1247579832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would go for it, except that 32 bit funges would run into issues < 1247579833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you KNOW how much email COSTS? < 1247579838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those are the most common ones < 1247579845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because you don't know how to put multiple elements on the stack < 1247579848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clap clap clap < 1247579853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1247579858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway seconds, nanoseconds and picoseconds sounds good < 1247579868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so planck time #1, planck time #2, planck time #3. < 1247579879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, but how many should you need? < 1247579894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've made that decision with seconds/nanoseconds/picoseconds too. < 1247579895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since obviously a user of a bignum funge shouldn't have to bother with splitting it < 1247579896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so make one here. < 1247579906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they can just do < 1247579908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 foo < 1247579912 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push 0, then some numbers < 1247579956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wolfram ((2^(32*3))-1) planck times < 1247579963 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^ 32 3 \ \ 1 planck times \ \ Input interpretation: \ \ 232 \ Result: \ \ 3 \ \ 1 Planck time \ \ 7.923 1028 Planck times \ Value: \ \ 176.6 E h \ Comparisons: \ \ atomic units of time \ \ 0.04 \ \ 1 23 \ 100 fs \ \ time for rhodopsin to twist 90 degrees fastest chemical reaction studied directly \ Interpretation: < 1247579997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is number of femtoseconds? < 1247580006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^96 planck times = 4.271 fs < 1247580016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1247580019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1247580025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't like 100 bits enough for 2 minutes? < 1247580028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so you need at least a few more to cover up to say, "a few hours" < 1247580035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 168 iirc? < 1247580044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one second < 1247580060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^168 planck times = 336,200 minutes < 1247580064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 "for way more than the age of the universe" < 1247580068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm ok < 1247580078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^128 = 0.01ms < 1247580091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1247580102 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about an exponential representation? a * 2^b planck times < 1247580102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 5 elements < 1247580106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :160 bits < 1247580111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can handle 1313 < 1247580118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: that's not precise enough! < 1247580126 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oh, silly me < 1247580228 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.leftmind.net/random/linuxbloat.jpg < 1247580301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo, what is the scale? < 1247580308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......... < 1247580311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1247580327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, is it logarithmic or linear? < 1247580351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is that 100 or 1000 or something else for the top < 1247580364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're fucking batshit insane < 1247580365 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would most likely say if it was logarithmic < 1247580367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bar chart < 1247580375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes? < 1247580377 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus that < 1247580377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's fucking linear < 1247580388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top is obviously the number of attendants who answered the question < 1247580401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your two questions, surely you're trolling < 1247580404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have seen a logarithmic bar chart once iirc < 1247580408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE ASKING WHETHER A BAR CHART IN A PRESENTATION IS LOGARITHMIC < 1247580410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1247580424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when logarithmic would make no fucking sense at all. < 1247580426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a teacher made it, a rather bad teacher. < 1247580446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, correct. I'm asking that. In my experience the world doesn't make sense. < 1247580471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how many answered the question I wonder < 1247580492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a goddamn joke < 1247580503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter one iota and could also be completely fabricated < 1247580517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it could. Hm < 1247580526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be rather silly though < 1247580528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone please save me from this deranged man < 1247580577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate cds with blank areas. I prefer when the top is completely covered by a label. Less risk for fingerprints and similar. < 1247580584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least *visible* ones < 1247580591 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I more or less deranged than AnMaster < 1247580606 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you answer "Yes" I will hurt you (not really) < 1247580629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just ask stupid questions. AnMaster builds a whole deranged system of WTF around incomprehensibly stupid questions. < 1247580644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you care if you can see fingerprints on your CDs...? < 1247580653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, looks messy < 1247580687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to appeal to the swedish govt for funding to lock AnMaster in an asylum. i'm sure they'll understand... < 1247580694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the rest of my room is far from tidy I would like at least this to be tidy. < 1247580703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to counterbalance the general untidyness in here < 1247580990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1247580990 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1247581123 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@i071195.gprs.dnafinland.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247581322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol < 1247581328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1247581333 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't believe the day i had < 1247581339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it involve moguls < 1247581385 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just speak your pain < 1247581441 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1247581444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not of volition just violins? < 1247581445 0 :Zuu!i=zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1247581472 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-111.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247581479 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1247581489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vole what i wish < 1247581503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voles are perhaps made of pure energy? < 1247581507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good theory < 1247581515 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps are, perhaps have < 1247581520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps do? < 1247581528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well theories are only as good as they get. < 1247581535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a walking theory. < 1247581536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no do. no. < 1247581541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1247581546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which theory tho < 1247581552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that of: i mind my own business while completing my tasklist for the universe. < 1247581558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves entropy a lot < 1247581565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that entropy < 1247581573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i play solitaire < 1247581580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're stringing words together i do not think this is how you make falafel < 1247581586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i play minesweeper < 1247581587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might fight;;; < 1247581590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the dath < 1247581592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the death < 1247581594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the dath < 1247581594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247581595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the death < 1247581597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the < 1247581604 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds magnificent. < 1247581604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so you like minesweeper too? < 1247581612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: only entropy minesweeper. < 1247581619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's inifigant. < 1247581620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what are the rules for it? < 1247581637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you are, one, and the universe is one, and you are the universe, and the energy is flowing, you can feel it… it's right there… < 1247581651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, haha < 1247581659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch… < 1247581662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch the energy… < 1247581669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it…is it too late?…touch the energy… < 1247581679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's…my god, it's,…it's expanding… < 1247581680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how many volts? < 1247581689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all…all just…just energy…everywhere…can't…imagine…amazing…it's < 1247581695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's…it's… < 1247581700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAME OVER < 1247581700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to live the game is not to ask what's outside the rules < 1247581704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Got 99 Points ! < 1247581709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insert Coin To Play < 1247581721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: philosophorous < 1247581724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take < 1247581732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2—action4 < 1247581741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very philosophorous, i don't agree with it < 1247581766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :philosophorous is a material < 1247581766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aumm < 1247581766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is through its vector that we experience energy < 1247581766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just kill flies < 1247581766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill em < 1247581766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like that < 1247581766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the ones i save < 1247581766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is your opinion on the music of Elgar? And I know you know who he is, what with being a Brit < 1247581766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those i don't kill < 1247581797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm listening to bach < 1247581798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually i have n o idea. i'm … directing my energy vehicle to the google site that i know, oh so very well it's … it's pure…energy…oh,wow… < 1247581798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1247581801 0 :ineiros!n=ineiros@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247581805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: bach is made of pure matter < 1247581809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two types of compusture < 1247581810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :composer < 1247581812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :energy < 1247581813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and matter < 1247581821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know bach occasionally used his name in his compositions < 1247581825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :energy composers are enegetic, matter composers matter < 1247581833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, hofstadter told me. < 1247581851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1032103210321032 it's really a trivial chromatic chemilabrication < 1247581852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you saying you don't know "Land of Hope and Glory"? < 1247581866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well it rings a bel air… i'll ask the scope… < 1247581873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scope…? < 1247581875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: triple V X ultra + < 1247581881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: googolscope < 1247581884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a secret amiga < 1247581884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247581894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seventeen gnomes, a few years, < 1247581896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving, now. < 1247581906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll as the UK gov to lock you up ehird! < 1247581913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your own good < 1247581914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll ass them real good < 1247581933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not eating nowadays. it seems to be the thing for the plebians, i'm not them < 1247581943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have you slept into it < 1247581965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inferno, fire, brimstone, oklopol < 1247581968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the four elements of the apocalypse < 1247581969 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i slept a lot, i dreamt of this world, created by me; it has ai < 1247581983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i though wow i want that < 1247581991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai is like a pony < 1247581995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epitome of pony < 1247582001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thought < 1247582004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm listening to my fashion, its' talkoing about me < 1247582017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talko < 1247582024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :users aumm < 1247582030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we could listen to the buddha < 1247582052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want YOU for the SEALAND ARMY < 1247582068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's sealand < 1247582078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :micronation suffering from micronesia < 1247582085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are small and off the coast, the nations don't recognize their posse < 1247582087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that rhymed sort of < 1247582090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :micronesia? < 1247582091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway they say they are unique < 1247582095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their statushood they tweak < 1247582099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for they are not so meek < 1247582102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pianos. < 1247582114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are tiny and pirate bay wanted to buy them but the giant squid got there first. < 1247582136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually tpb did want to buy them but their money is flotation < 1247582147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lousy. < 1247582150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're lousy. < 1247582152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all lousy. < 1247582155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's make a dream of lousy. < 1247582161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't make a dream < 1247582172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in soviet russia < 1247582173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : actually tpb did want to buy them but their money is flotation <-- source? < 1247582177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: tenable theorem/proposition, but what then of sleep?! < 1247582180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: scope < 1247582194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, scope == google? < 1247582202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/12/pirate_bay_buys_island/ < 1247582204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/17/piratebay_sealand_nationhood/ < 1247582206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oh, right, i forgot about sleep < 1247582222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sealand is only nation being in eyes of sealand though < 1247582235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: right so if we use sleepons (sleep particles) without unconsciousness we make dream < 1247582244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and distribute the dream computation across us all to make it more realistic < 1247582255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could have a physics team, effect team, reality coördination team etc < 1247582257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be lousy < 1247582261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of louses < 1247582262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lice < 1247582275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean we'd make a connection of minds? < 1247582287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dreaming using sleepons. < 1247582292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tapirback.com/tapirgal/gifts/friends/insects/louse-stuffed-f1566.jpg ←←← ACTUAL SIZE < 1247582345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blogosphere blogagent blogifying blogblogging neoblogging postblogging blogosphere bloggination blogs < 1247582381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ambiguity but a million people. < 1247582387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :international waters fuck that shit < 1247582417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my feet are fast < 1247582425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :territory of the mongrels oklopol? < 1247582431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't take myself anymore, need to go read or something. < 1247582432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RADICAL < 1247582438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: take the meta < 1247582445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iron out the meta < 1247582457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanity can shit you < 1247582462 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247582470 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, should i read algos, dosto or dict < 1247582485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the booke of irc < 1247582501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : international waters fuck that shit <-- why? < 1247582506 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1247582507 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1247582509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: man it's like you never flew. < 1247582521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have flewn, Twice < 1247582523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1247582525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three times even < 1247582531 0 :ineiros!n=ineiros@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247582551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me explain to nitrocycerin < 1247582554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitroglycerin < 1247582556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the third time was just inside Sweden, in a small Cessna 172 < 1247582557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've flewn more times than you < 1247582582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, here's my thoughtssssss < 1247582596 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247582597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask yourself this question < 1247582605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? < 1247582609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your answer will imbibe. < 1247582629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is wrong with international waters anyway < 1247582640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I flew inside Europe the time I flew. < 1247582646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? < 1247582649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the question you need < 1247582652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to self-comprehend it < 1247582668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, stop being silly. < 1247582670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1247582679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude you're a fucking ////////////// vagabond < 1247582691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've got to be directing < 1247582724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247582812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKLOPOL < 1247582815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS FUCKING IMPORTANT < 1247582819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAVE YOU EVER KNOWN A PLATAPY < 1247582895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smurf smurf smurf musrf musrfm usrfm usmrf us msurfm surfm usmur msrf musrufm srmfu sm ruf smrfu smrfu srmf us msrfu smrfu smrfu smfurfm us mruf msrfumsfu m srufm surfm usrmfu smeruf msrfu ms surfm smurfm suf < 1247582898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smurf < 1247582907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glio fog < 1247582915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :angel fog < 1247582981 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :................ < 1247582988 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird has been drinking again. < 1247583002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you have to comprehend the glio-field imbursed by oklopol < 1247583009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it interacts with tectonic ehirdiments < 1247583020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :condiments < 1247583024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is like a person named cond < 1247583026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like lisp cond < 1247583028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mccarthy < 1247583030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anti communist < 1247583032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so condiments are capitalist < 1247583034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1247583105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooo the fact that you think < 1247583116 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's a fact < 1247583116 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the fact < 1247583116 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are it < 1247583125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you think that? < 1247583126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the diamond < 1247583134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would i to think, perchance to cognit < 1247583146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand you < 1247583155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fall on to a cliff anyway < 1247583159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you migt understandh < 1247583167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well if i think i might cognit which is congition < 1247583170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congition. < 1247583179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and diamond is crystalline structure of neuron < 1247583206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you only wish it was your cognition < 1247583215 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you wish it without actually having it < 1247583223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm psychic oklopol, can predict the future, but to understand it i need muture < 1247583238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NEE DTHE um what was muture again < 1247583242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, i see your point < 1247583245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm that probability thingy?????????? heuristic < 1247583246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1247583250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/muture.txt is unhelpful lol < 1247583254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm a diamond of the structure < 1247583258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reflection may be optical cognit < 1247583266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i FUCKEN hope so < 1247583304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great depression reverse to the dispersion of the universe corners < 1247583339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muture is a great language < 1247583344 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247583363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's FUCKEN great and FUCKEN how is iFUCKENt that it be so the paradigmal? FUCKEN < 1247583371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't underFUCKENstand the pFUCKENaradigm < 1247583378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird how is that unhelpful, it shows the basic idea of the lang < 1247583381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no i have chronic FUCKEN FUCKEN illness < 1247583389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it puts FUCKEN in FUCKEN the most inappropriate FUCKEN places < 1247583397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least ais523 understood it right away < 1247583398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but am crystalline and not the cognit too well advancedly... < 1247583404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1247583405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :match a b = if a == b then 0 else -1 < 1247583410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggests a probability structure of understandy < 1247583420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think we are probability weight to find answer in ourselves < 1247583427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok? < 1247583445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god bach is awesome < 1247583451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch on it < 1247583454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch on it < 1247583462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just————————goddamnswitch onxit < 1247583463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1247583484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what to switch < 1247583496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what to knwop < 1247583496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*know < 1247583516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beTwXit < 1247583520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: now the what < 1247583521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :know < 1247583560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the oone that ones the ones of the ones which must one all the ones for the one < 1247583569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defragmentation < 1247583574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: run a bit < 1247583588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't run < 1247583590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in finderland, oklopol finderland oklopol < 1247583663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here know how italian is pronounced < 1247583686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it alley an < 1247583693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the a in alley is too subtle < 1247583737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247583745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not exactly what i meant < 1247583761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, i actually didn't realise. < 1247583764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1247583806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fairly booksmart at english pronunciation < 1247583833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my cousin taught me most of french yesterday, but he doesn't know italian < 1247583933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clack < 1247583935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abitchcloo < 1247584454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds a screenshot he made from november 2006. cool. :P < 1247584482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i used crappy fluxbox :d < 1247584486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:D < 1247584697 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247584918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird has been drinking again. <-- I trust this explanation more than what ehird suggested instead. < 1247584939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you used linux back then? < 1247584959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used linux until 2006-12 and then sporadically in 2007 and maybe once or twice in 2008 < 1247584967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2006-12 is when i bought my imac) < 1247584970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1247584974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so you had a non-mac then? < 1247584977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1247584985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, yes, my old, crappy pc that hates itself < 1247584995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sounds like an aeroplane < 1247585007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah < 1247585054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec, lemme edit+upload it so we can all revel in the ugly. < 1247585076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you liked it back then? < 1247585092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really care all that much, but sure, it worked < 1247585120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucked though to be without a sense of aesthetics. whoever said form and function are unrelated? < 1247585171 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's augur when you need one < 1247585254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/FbLgy.png ← Here we see fluxbox, an rxvt fork that had tabs (not urxvt), firefox and amarok < 1247585265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, only the rxvt fork's window is a ctually visible, but... < 1247585267 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247585282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how you can't see any window border. that's fucking stupid. < 1247585301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hurr, i'm the terminal and i'm enveloping your WHOLE SCREEN". < 1247585353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for distro... well, nov 2006 with firefox icon being juts the globe < 1247585355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ubuntu did that < 1247585358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where is firefox? < 1247585364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even see the icon < 1247585365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't firefox go straight from artwork to iceweasel? < 1247585369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: taskbar < 1247585375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the blue globe < 1247585381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah, icethingy < 1247585381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's what you get when you build FF without mozilla branding) < 1247585383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1247585386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just firefox < 1247585389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1247585398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu just built it without the logo for a bit while mozilla was bugging them < 1247585417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i like how i had two terminals open < 1247585420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real good use of tabbing that < 1247585420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why didn't ubuntu just use the official build? *shrug* < 1247585428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can see my window manager has tabs < 1247585433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Terminal Terminal Terminal" < 1247585435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it might have been that you wanted to hide some other tab? < 1247585435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushroom mushroom < 1247585438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SECRET STUFF < 1247585469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, for one, debian build all their stuff < 1247585481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1247585496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good trick < 1247585501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, either debian have to use mozilla's binaries direct < 1247585508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they can't use "Firefox" or the logo < 1247585508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't build it it is obviously non-free. < 1247585510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1247585514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it IS non-free < 1247585518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the artwork and name are non-free < 1247585522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code is free < 1247585529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what you get from mozilla.org is 100% NOT < 1247585530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, silly huh < 1247585541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, mozilla have always been as bad as sun < 1247585554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MPL is pretty bad anyway < 1247585571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mpl takes 1 gpl to do what mit does in a tiny fraction < 1247585577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some other pointless restrictions < 1247585581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1247585584 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea or bad idea: Making a playlist of some music from a game in HTML 5? < 1247585605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1247585609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that got to do with html5 < 1247585618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg some javascript links that change an